Ceaseless Wars of Aggression

[S-L]

Who ultimately benefits from ceaseless conflict? Who would like to see the world's greatest superpower on it's economic knees after decades of endless unwinnable wars?

These are important and consequential times in humanity's evolution as a species. We are increasingly being visited by aliens, and these visits will only continue to grow. For better or for worse, humanity is entering a larger community of intelligent life. It's all very exciting, but it's also incredibly dangerous.

The ongoing human abduction program clearly demonstrates that not all alien life is here for good intentions. Though shocking, this should hardly be surprising to anyone. If the roles were reversed, we would probably try to conquer them, if we could. Our sad history proves this much.

These beings are not here for our benefit. They have their own agenda. They would much rather face a weak and divided human family. The best way to do this is to engage the strongest countries into intractable, unwinnable wars that ultimately serve to weaken them. This project is already under way.

The countries on this planet have great armaments pointed at each other. Given our all too bloody history, this makes sense. Things are different now, however. Times have changed. The stakes are higher. We are being interfered with. We must throw off the yokel of alien interference! This can only be done if countries on this planet cease their conflicts and start cooperating against the alien agenda.

The key is to think in terms of world community. We are one human family. We stand and fall together. If one country gains an edge over it's rivals, but ultimately this weakens the human family as a whole, then who benefits? I want a strong and free United States. I want a strong and free China. I want a strong and free Russia. I want them all to get together and cooperate against intervening forces from other worlds.

These ridiculous wars in the Middle East are weakening humanity's greatest power. This serves no one!

[Freed Fox]

These ridiculous wars in the Middle East are weakening humanity's greatest power. This serves no one!

It does, I'm afraid. Weapons manufacturers and contractors, along with oil and natural gas companies in those countries applicable (which, in the Middle East, nearly all of them are). All human enterprises. Not discounting the possibility of a higher influence here, but felt this needed pointing out.

It may seem ironic, or counter-intuitive, but wars tend to actually strengthen the economy. I would never personally justify them that way (it is certainly not what I advocate), but that is one of the unspoken motives.

Also, unfortunately, we will never be one human family so long as there are religious fanatics, racists, and xenophobes in significant numbers. I'd like to think they are steadily dying out, but I have no statistics to back that up.

[S-L]

These ridiculous wars in the Middle East are weakening humanity's greatest power. This serves no one!

It does, I'm afraid. Weapons manufacturers and contractors, along with oil and natural gas companies in those countries applicable (which, in the Middle East, nearly all of them are). All human enterprises. Not discounting the possibility of a higher influence here, but felt this needed pointing out.


Of course I agree with you, but to clarify I meant in an ultimate sense. It does not serve the human race as a whole.

In regards to being a human family, I have some hope that our admittedly dysfunctional family will come together and act with more unity and cooperation. We will never get everyone on board, but if we can get a critical mass of humanity to cooperate, then great things can be achieved.

My hope is that when people realize that our freedom and sovereignty is at stake, they will put away their differences and remember that we are all human beings. When the house is on fire people start to act. It doesn't matter if you hate your brother. You'll help him out of the house and worry about your petty differences later.

[AutumnW]

From the point of strategy to enrich the .0001 percent, a major new conflict in the Middle East is beginning to look like a non-starter. Freed Fox, war is beneficial to the economy, only in so far as deficit spending is beneficial. The piper must be paid. Further to that, China (and likely Russia?) are probably holding a lot of U.S. treasuries at the moment. Should they exercise the economic nuclear option and dump them on the market, yields would have to double overnight to attract buyers. Banks would be forced to raise interest rates and the U.S. would crater, financially, in the form of severe and instant deflationary depression, during wartime yet! The dollar would lose reserve status and the over all poverty would be crushing--and permanent. I think Putin and PRC have gotten together on this one and have delivered this message to a syria-sly misguided president.

One of the ironies of the present situation is part of the impetus behind this move is likely the ridiculous belief that you can start proxy wars to force other countries to accept only American dollars for oil. Like, how subtle is that?

How about that Obomb-a huh? Peace prize winner, more like Piece of pie winner. He's got his and he's going for more. While he was all, "peace, love, change," he was tasked with carrying out the overthrow of Syria and Iran, and he KNEW it. The guy is a psychopath. B.S. to the idea that he's not because he has a 'warm, kind smile'.

[S-L]

How about that Obomb-a huh? Peace prize winner, more like Piece of pie winner. He's got his and he's going for more. While he was all, "peace, love, change," he was tasked with carrying out the overthrow of Syria and Iran, and he KNEW it. The guy is a psychopath. B.S. to the idea that he's not because he has a 'warm, kind smile'.

It seems that it does not matter who is in power, right? I sometimes wonder if they are being manipulated in the mental environment. If Bush had a "vision" where Jesus told him to invade Iraq, would he blindy do it? Aliens have proven that they have abilities in manipulating thought, feelings, and memories. Would they be able to take over the world without firing a single shot? The more our strongest nations waste their resources on unwinnable conflicts, the weaker humanity becomes.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Judging by what I've read in science fiction and the like, it seems to me that human beings themselves are more than capable of adopting the psychological traits that allow for horrendous practices such as slavery and torture for profit.

Before the Roman empire arose (kind of like the Borg, they just assimilated everything lol) there was a Golden Age of humanity stemming from Greece,
but thanks to power-hungry, evil humans -- much like the humans who rule our modern world -- our way of life fell apart.

Even Golden Age humans can be ignorant of danger. Think of how Archimedes died -- writing in the sand literally while the Roman troops rolled in.
I think it was the outreaching toward a higher state of being that brought Greece down.

The other evil humans wouldn't allow them to ascend.

We would be at the level that the more intelligent alien civilizations likely attained if not for our own continual failures.

I am inclined to believe that aliens intervene only when absolutely necessary, if at all, and we should not attribute all of our negative history to their actions when clearly our own behavior is awry.

Not that I don't believe it's possible -- just not likely.
We aren't even at the point where we could invade another planet, to my knowledge, but we are plenty evil enough -- this tends to tell me that we are not as advanced nor as moral as other forms of intelligent life.

Kind of like spoiled children.

p.s. you should hear Carl Sagan's opinion on this:

The Cosmic Connection, by Carl Sagan, Chapter 5. Experiments in Utopias:

"In assessing the likelihood of advanced technical civilizations elsewhere in the galaxy, the most important fact is the one about which we know the least -- the lifetime of such a civilization. If civilizations destroy themselves rapidly after reaching the technological phase, at any given moment (like now) there may be very few of them for us to contact. If, on the other hand, a small fraction of civilizations learn to live with weapons of mass destruction and avoid both natural and self-generated catastrophes, the number of civilizations for us to communicate with at any given moment may be very large."


ET is probably very very shy and scared of us.

P.S. you might consider opening the Good ol Book and reading about the tower of Babel in the context of alien intervention. I think that;s what happened for sure.

[ghostrider]

Notice , we here on earth cannot get along with the neighbor across the street, much less another country, why would ET even try and talk with us ??? all we do is point fingers and kill and bomb and hoard up money to get to the top of the mountain and feed the ego on parade waiting for the next big thing ... war is not the answer , killing is not the answer , bombing not the answer , at the end of the day , after war, two sides sit and work out the differences they had , when all along they could have done that instead of manipulating their citizens into killing each other for an agenda to enrich a small few who are already rich and don't need a dam thing ... No one from Korea tried to take my house, No one from afganistan tried to take my money , No one from vietnam tried to kidnap my son , No one from Iraq tried to kill my daughter , NO one from germany tried to listen to my phone calls , No one from china is trying to take my backyard , No one from russia is trying to poision my air , the politicians create chaos, the military does the robot , and the people suffer from the actions of both ... when all along I'm just trying to put food on the table and keep the lights on and the IRS from collapsing my reality over green paper ... when will earth humans really get it , killing other people doesn't change a thing , the problem is still there , we are barbarians that cannot co-exsist with each other or mother earth ... beam me up scotty , the core is breached and countdown has begun ...

[ghostrider]

Who ultimately benefits from ceaseless conflict? Who would like to see the world's greatest superpower on it's economic knees after decades of endless unwinnable wars?

These are important and consequential times in humanity's evolution as a species. We are increasingly being visited by aliens, and these visits will only continue to grow. For better or for worse, humanity is entering a larger community of intelligent life. It's all very exciting, but it's also incredibly dangerous.

The ongoing human abduction program clearly demonstrates that not all alien life is here for good intentions. Though shocking, this should hardly be surprising to anyone. If the roles were reversed, we would probably try to conquer them, if we could. Our sad history proves this much.

These beings are not here for our benefit. They have their own agenda. They would much rather face a weak and divided human family. The best way to do this is to engage the strongest countries into intractable, unwinnable wars that ultimately serve to weaken them. This project is already under way.

The countries on this planet have great armaments pointed at each other. Given our all too bloody history, this makes sense. Things are different now, however. Times have changed. The stakes are higher. We are being interfered with. We must throw off the yokel of alien interference! This can only be done if countries on this planet cease their conflicts and start cooperating against the alien agenda.

The key is to think in terms of world community. We are one human family. We stand and fall together. If one country gains an edge over it's rivals, but ultimately this weakens the human family as a whole, then who benefits? I want a strong and free United States. I want a strong and free China. I want a strong and free Russia. I want them all to get together and cooperate against intervening forces from other worlds.

These ridiculous wars in the Middle East are weakening humanity's greatest power. This serves no one!

unless you sit on the board of the military's main weapons supplier , (cheney) or sit on the board of chevron oil ( condelezza rice) or own controlling interest in an oil company ( bushes) stocks in these areas makes war a good thing for your checkbook ...down side , innocent people die, beautiful cities fall, children lose limbs , animals lay forever at doors waiting for their master who never return , but hey for strong fourth quarter statement they are in ... the death star is in range you may fire when ready ... who is the number one consumer of oil on earth = the military ...

[S-L]

Judging by what I've read in science fiction and the like, it seems to me that human beings themselves are more than capable of adopting the psychological traits that allow for horrendous practices such as slavery and torture for profit.
...
I am inclined to believe that aliens intervene only when absolutely necessary, if at all, and we should not attribute all of our negative history to their actions when clearly our own behavior is awry.

Not that I don't believe it's possible -- just not likely.

...

The Cosmic Connection, by Carl Sagan, Chapter 5. Experiments in Utopias:

"In assessing the likelihood of advanced technical civilizations elsewhere in the galaxy, the most important fact is the one about which we know the least -- the lifetime of such a civilization. If civilizations destroy themselves rapidly after reaching the technological phase, at any given moment (like now) there may be very few of them for us to contact. If, on the other hand, a small fraction of civilizations learn to live with weapons of mass destruction and avoid both natural and self-generated catastrophes, the number of civilizations for us to communicate with at any given moment may be very large."


Telsa, thanks for the really thought-provoking reply.

Sadly, I concur with your view on humanity's proclivity for violence. Our sad history certainly proves that we do not need any help in waging murderous conflicts with each other.

Having said the above, I believe that the use of telepathy to manipulate another being is a talent that visiting aliens have demonstrated time and again. Are our leaders being manipulated? I think this is a legitimate concern. Humanity needs to elevate it's ability in this domain if it wishes to compete with a wider panorama of alien intelligences. We need to up our game here. These abilities can be cultivated.

As for whether or not aliens would want to intervene in our affairs, I sadly do not share your optimism. If the situations were reversed, we certainly would do so. It is a fallacy to presume that alien lifeforms are somehow more spiritually or ethically advanced. Given the human abduction program underway, there's certainly no reason to believe this. It is best to be cautious. After all, they are lifeforms just like us. They need resources just like us. There's no reason to believe that the rest of the universe is any less competitive than this world is, regardless of how much we would like it to be so.

Thanks for the Sagan quote, by the way. From my readings of the Allies of Humanity and Life in the Universe material, it seems that the potential for environmental collapse is the number one concern of any advancing society in the cosmos. Otherwise they do not make it very far and we certainly would not hear from them. On the other hand, this engenders a tight responsibility over such matters, and as such there seems to be many, many civilizations out there for us to communicate with. I cannot prove this, but it feels right to me.