Youtube Censorship of information

[xthesurge0nx]

This is what we are fighting against on every post you make on Youtube


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[xthesurge0nx]

Its these three videos they are attemptig to censor from the British people...

Bill Maloney & Brian Gerrish - Jack Straw made it illegal for UK child abuse victims to speak out


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Let me point you to this video - BBC & NPR correspondent Dale Gavlak & Yahya Ababneh - Syrian rebels admit chemical weapons was an accident

if not linking the video is -> youtube.com/watch?v=D8bTLUCgF8­c

Let me point you to this video - Syrian Chemical Weapons Attack - US Government & Israel Involvement? - Google? - Al-Qaeda?

if not linking the video is -> youtube.com/watch?v=TNDwFllpxv­M

[GaelVictor]

BBC & NPR correspondent Dale Gavrak - Syrian rebels admit chemical weapons was an accident

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[xthesurge0nx]

Heres more examples of censorship of paedophilia information on British youtube...more to come later when ive hunted through the thousands of images I have...


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British MPs accessing porn sites - Parliament PCs - Foot & Fat fetish as well as a cat fetish - 2013


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Traces of Cocaine found on 9 toilets at the Palace of Westminster - British MPs and cocaine - 2013


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[xthesurge0nx]

I dont know about anyone else but the links to the photos have gone down for me...if they have for you then this should ring alarm bells...

[xthesurge0nx]

They target the children also through cartoons...I have hundreds of images to backup what Im saying...remove from the minds of men their religious dogma...they do it through generations...its done slowly from child to adult...

You can view the images at the following location...

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[xthesurge0nx]

This is what Facebook do when you try to spread the message about child sacrifice.


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[ROMANWKT]

Hi xthesurge0nx

I understand what you are showing, and what you mean, but where exactly do you personally stand on this? we got common porpose infiltration, we know it goes on, where do you stand.

Regards

roman

[xthesurge0nx]

Can you go into a little more detail? where do I stand? you mean what do I think we should do?

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Pushing Agenda 21


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[xthesurge0nx]

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[ROMANWKT]

Your personal outlook on whats really going on xthesurge0nx, you say you have lots more pics and info, relate your personal understanding of your exposure, what you think about this. I support what youre doing !00%, we all need to know what they are up to, we had all this before here, thats why your personal outlook.

Regards to you xthesurge0nx

roman

[xthesurge0nx]

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US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has now announced that all infant formulas are contaminated with fluoride, and that when mixed with the fluoridated water provided in most US cities, the combination is a toxic threat to babies and infants.

"Exposure to excessive consumption of fluoride over a lifetime may lead to increased likelihood of bone fractures in adults, and may result in effects on bone leading to pain and tenderness," says the US Environmental Protection Agency on its fluoride information page.

Numerous studies have found, however, that fluoride exposure is linked to lowered IQ levels, mental retardation, thyroid dysfunction, bone problems, the calcification of the pineal gland and other organs, arthritis, autoimmune disorders, gastrointestinal problems, kidney disease, respiratory dysfunction, sexual disorders, cancer, and tooth decay (http://www.naturalnews.com/fluoride.html).

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031705_infant_formula_fluoride.html#ixzz2UhKyA1Sd

"Average IQ score was lower in children in the high-fluoride group than those in the reference group" (Wang G et al. 1996)

"Average IQ scores of children residing in exposed fluoride areas were lower than those in the reference area" (Yao et al. 1996)

"Children living in high-fluoride and -arsenic area had significantly lower IQ scores than those living in the reference fluoride (and no arsenic) area" (Zhao et al. 1996)

"Children had lower IQ scores in high-fluoride area than those who lived in the reference area." (Xu et al. 1994)

"The average IQ scores was lower in children from high-fluoride and -iodine area than those from the reference area, but the results were not significant" (Yang et al. 1994)

"Children living in fluorosis areas had lower IQ scores than children living in nonfluorosis areas" (Li XS et al. 1995)

"Mean IQ was lower in all age groups except ≤ 7 years in the area with high fluoride and aluminum (limited to high-fluoride population only)" (Sun et al. 1991)

"IQ scores of children in high-fluoride areas were significantly lower than those of children living in reference fluoride area" (An et al. 1992)

"Early, prolonged high fluoride intake causes a decrease in the child's mental work capacity" (Li Y et al. 1994)

"Fluoride may cause neurotoxicity in laboratory animals, including effects on learning and memory" (Ren et al. 1989)

"The average IQ of children from high-fluoride area were lower than that of the reference area" (Chen et al. 1991)

"Average IQ in fluoride coal-burning area was lower than that in the reference area" (Guo et al. 1991)

"Children in the high-fluoride (low-iodine) area had lower IQ scores compared with the children from the reference fluoride (low-iodine) areas" (Lin et al. 1991)

"Although fluoride may cause neurotoxicity in animal models and acute fluoride poisoning causes neurotoxicity in adults, very little is known of its effects on children's neurodevelopment"

"Fluoride exposure to the developing brain, which is much more susceptible to injury caused by toxicants than is the mature brain, may possibly lead to permanent damage"

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ehp.1104912.pdf
Backup: http://www.scribd.com/doc/101642726/Children-in-High-Fluoridated-Areas-Have-Lower-Iq-Nih-Study-2012
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/

The Extent of Water Fluoridation - Water Fluoridation in the UK - http://www.bfsweb.org/onemillion/W09%20One%20in%20a%20Million%20-%20The%20extent%20of%20fluoridation.pdf

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For anyone in the UK interested in knowing who put Fluoride in drinking water in the UK...it was Tony Blair...the evidence...


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On a light hearted note...if you ever sleep with a woman and cant get an erection...just say...sorry I live in a high Fluoridated area...:rolleyes:

[xthesurge0nx]

Your personal outlook on whats really going on xthesurge0nx, you say you have lots more pics and info, relate your personal understanding of your exposure, what you think about this. I support what youre doing !00%, we all need to know what they are up to, we had all this before here, thats why your personal outlook.

Regards to you xthesurge0nx

roman

In short...

Theyre using Psychological Warfare through Media & films.

Theyre using Propaganda through media.

Theyre using Neuro Linguistic Programming through advertising.

Theyre using Subliminal Stimuli through Music and Films.

Theyre increasing the risk of Cancer through Fluoride...they get round the law by putting just under the legal amount in lots of different products.

Theyre calcifying the pineal gland using Fluoride to reduce the possibility of remote viewing and other abilities humans have.

Theyre using GMOs.

Theyre using cancer drugs in food.

Theyre spraying chemicals on the people fighting back...the chemicals they spray contain fine particles of aluminium which the brains chemical barrier has no protection against. This increases the risk of brain disease and effects memory...

Theyre targeting religion...to control masses of people...

Theyre targeting politics...to restrict the public while giving themselves freedom...they do this by blackmailing a majority through paedophilia and drugs.

Theyre targeting the justice system...to get away with their crimes...

Theyre targeting the military & police...as their protection...

They use the Intelligence services to carry out all of the above...

They are using soft slow kill weapons for plausible deniability and using compartmentalization so only a handful of people know the full story...

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Thats a very basic explanation and I havent give the full run down...its too early and I havent slept in 24 hours...

Theyre not very bright to be honest...I mean theyre inbred so they have genetic defects...which to be honest if youve seen the hills have eyes its that kind of thing... :)

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[ROMANWKT]

Your personal outlook on whats really going on xthesurge0nx, you say you have lots more pics and info, relate your personal understanding of your exposure, what you think about this. I support what youre doing !00%, we all need to know what they are up to, we had all this before here, thats why your personal outlook.

Regards to you xthesurge0nx

roman

In short...

Theyre using Psychological Warfare through Media & films.

Theyre using Propaganda through media.

Theyre using Neuro Linguistic Programming through advertising.

Theyre using Subliminal Stimuli through Music and Films.

Theyre increasing the risk of Cancer through Fluoride...they get round the law by putting just under the legal amount in lots of different products.

Theyre using GMOs.

Theyre using cancer drugs in food.

Theyre spraying chemicals on the people fighting back...the chemicals they spray contain fine particles of aliminium which the brains chemical barrier has no protection against. This increases the risk of brain disease and effects memory...

Theyre targeting religion...to control masses of people...

theyre targeting politics...to restrict the public while giving themselves freedom...

Theyre targeting the justice system...to get away with their crimes...

Their targeting the military & police...as their protection...

They use the Intelligence services to carry out all of the above...

Thank you my friend, exactly that, keep on going, good stuff.

Regards

roman

[xthesurge0nx]

Youre welcome my friend...I have no choice...they are targetting our family and the children within our family units...I recall someone saying something along the lines of "the men of this planet need to get a set" and "where are all the men" and errrrmmm "you are the resistance" as well as other comments that rung home...plus even though some people do my head in their still my brothers and sisters...it isnt their fault they havent woke up yet...

[xthesurge0nx]

This is Illegal Queen Elizabeths link to the illuminati, it is her great great great uncle Ernst II...her great great great grandfather is Ernst 1st...Ernst II was a known Illuminati member...


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When you think of child sacrifice and drinking blood understand that they are all related to Dracula...


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[Atlas]

BBC & NPR correspondent Dale Gavrak - Syrian rebels admit chemical weapons was an accident
@Hatemachines

I debunked this information in a post which was 'lost' during the reset. About the militants mishandling Saudi chemical weapons:

Date: Sat Aug 31 04:05:00 2013
Poster: buares
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Infowars is wrong, the militants didn't say that.

Infowars source (http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/) is Dale Gavlak, and Dave Gavlak co-wrote his article with Yahya Ababneh, a Jordanian freelance journalist :

From numerous interviews with [...] rebel fighters [...] Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence [...] and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack

They didnt tell us what these arms were or how to use them, complained a female fighter named K. [...] We never imagined they were chemical weapons.

A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named J [...] said [...] We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,

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The article is written by a jordanian freelance

The militants names are J. and K. (I wonder if they have F.)

J. is curious about weapons and K. doesn't know what a weapon is.


Also notice at the end of the Inforwars article (http://www.infowars.com/rebels-admit-responsibility-for-chemical-weapons-attack), Paul Joseph Watson wrote :

UPDATE: Associated Press contacted us to confirm that Dave Gavlak is an AP correspondent, but that her story was not published under the banner of the Associated Press. We didnt claim this was the case, we merely pointed to Gavlaks credentials to stress that she is a credible source, being not only an AP correspondent, but also having written for PBS, BBC and Salon.com.

[xthesurge0nx]

EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.
By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh | August 29, 2013


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This image provided by by Shaam News Network on Thursday, Aug. 22, 2013, which has been authenticated based on its contents and other AP reporting, purports to show several bodies being buried in a suburb of Damascus, Syria during a funeral on Wednesday, Aug. 21, 2013. Syrian government forces pressed their offensive in eastern Damascus on Thursday, bombing rebel-held suburbs where the opposition said the regime had killed more than 100 people the day before in a chemical weapons attack. The government has denied allegations it used chemical weapons in artillery barrages on the area known as eastern Ghouta on Wednesday as "absolutely baseless." (AP Photo/Shaam News Network)

This image provided by by Shaam News Network on Thursday, Aug. 22, 2013, purports to show several bodies being buried in a suburb of Damascus, Syria during a funeral on Wednesday, Aug. 21, 2013, following allegations of a chemical weapons attack that reportedly killed 355 people. (AP Photo/Shaam News Network)

Clarification: Dale Gavlak assisted in the research and writing process of this article, but was not on the ground in Syria. Reporter Yahya Ababneh, with whom the report was written in collaboration, was the correspondent on the ground in Ghouta who spoke directly with the rebels, their family members, victims of the chemical weapons attacks and local residents.

Gavlak is a MintPress News Middle East correspondent who has been freelancing for the AP as a Amman, Jordan correspondent for nearly a decade. This report is not an Associated Press article; rather it is exclusive to MintPress News.

Ghouta, Syria — As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week’s chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.

Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.

The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.”

However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named ‘J’ agreed. “Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material,” he said.

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said.

Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.

The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders added that health workers aiding 3,600 patients also reported experiencing similar symptoms, including frothing at the mouth, respiratory distress, convulsions and blurry vision. The group has not been able to independently verify the information.

More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government.


Saudi involvement

In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandar’s role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.

Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.

“Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord,” Ingersoll wrote.

“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Bandar allegedly told the Russians.

“Along with Saudi officials, the U.S. allegedly gave the Saudi intelligence chief the thumbs up to conduct these talks with Russia, which comes as no surprise,” Ingersoll wrote.

“Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy,” he added.

According to U.K.’s Independent newspaper, it was Prince Bandar’s intelligence agency that first brought allegations of the use of sarin gas by the regime to the attention of Western allies in February.

The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the CIA realized Saudi Arabia was “serious” about toppling Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar to lead the effort.

“They believed that Prince Bandar, a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldn’t: planeloads of money and arms, and, as one U.S. diplomat put it, wasta, Arabic for under-the-table clout,” it said.

Bandar has been advancing Saudi Arabia’s top foreign policy goal, WSJ reported, of defeating Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.

To that aim, Bandar worked Washington to back a program to arm and train rebels out of a planned military base in Jordan.

The newspaper reports that he met with the “uneasy Jordanians about such a base”:

His meetings in Amman with Jordan’s King Abdullah sometimes ran to eight hours in a single sitting. “The king would joke: ‘Oh, Bandar’s coming again? Let’s clear two days for the meeting,’ ” said a person familiar with the meetings.

Jordan’s financial dependence on Saudi Arabia may have given the Saudis strong leverage. An operations center in Jordan started going online in the summer of 2012, including an airstrip and warehouses for arms. Saudi-procured AK-47s and ammunition arrived, WSJ reported, citing Arab officials.

Although Saudi Arabia has officially maintained that it supported more moderate rebels, the newspaper reported that “funds and arms were being funneled to radicals on the side, simply to counter the influence of rival Islamists backed by Qatar.”

But rebels interviewed said Prince Bandar is referred to as “al-Habib” or ‘the lover’ by al-Qaida militants fighting in Syria.

Peter Oborne, writing in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday, has issued a word of caution about Washington’s rush to punish the Assad regime with so-called ‘limited’ strikes not meant to overthrow the Syrian leader but diminish his capacity to use chemical weapons:

Consider this: the only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels, previously losing the war, who now have Britain and America ready to intervene on their side. While there seems to be little doubt that chemical weapons were used, there is doubt about who deployed them.

It is important to remember that Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a U.N. commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible.

Some information in this article could not be independently verified. Mint Press News will continue to provide further information and updates .

Dale Gavlak is a Middle East correspondent for Mint Press News and has reported from Amman, Jordan, writing for the Associated Press, NPR and BBC. An expert in Middle Eastern affairs, Gavlak covers the Levant region, writing on topics including politics, social issues and economic trends. Dale holds a M.A. in Middle Eastern Studies from the University of Chicago. Contact Dale at dgavlak@mintpressnews.com

Yahya Ababneh is a Jordanian freelance journalist and is currently working on a master’s degree in journalism, He has covered events in Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Libya. His stories have appeared on Amman Net, Saraya News, Gerasa News and elsewhere.

[CD7]

Wow ...your singing to a huge choir here! Yes quite illuminating and nauseating at the same time...

For ALL that goes on there would be miles and miles of forum pages to show

[Atlas]

Thank you xthesurge0nx. Don't worry, Avalonians are aware:


Theyre using Psychological Warfare through Media & films.
Exploitation of Superstitions for Purposes of Psychological Warfare (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39900-Exploitation-of-Superstitions-for-Purposes-of-Psychological-Warfare)
Started by 58andfixed, 3rd February 2012 12:57


Theyre using Propaganda through media.
Propaganda-Behind Big Media-WE are BEING LIED to in a BIG WAY by the TV! TURN IT OFF! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38928-Propaganda-Behind-Big-Media-WE-are-BEING-LIED-to-in-a-BIG-WAY-by-the-TV--TURN-IT-OFF-)
Started by astrid, 19th January 2012 15:04

Blatant Corporate Media Propaganda 'Incite Hatred' of Syria to Justify Intervention (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46182-Blatant-Corporate-Media-Propaganda-Incite-Hatred-of-Syria-to-Justify-Intervention)
Started by jackovesk, 8th June 2012 12:33

RT News ....Truthseekers exposing CIA/Pentagon falseflags/leaks and media manipulation propaganda (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57216-RT-News-....Truthseekers-exposing-CIA-Pentagon-falseflags-leaks-and-media-manipulation-propaganda)
Started by Cidersomerset, 23rd March 2013 08:19


Theyre using Neuro Linguistic Programming through advertising.
NLP - Neuro-Linguistic Programming Research thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26457-NLP-Neuro-Linguistic-Programming-Research-thread)
Started by Omniverse, 30th July 2011


Theyre using Subliminal Stimuli through Music and Films.
Go to first new post 1960's Govt's Subliminal Nat'l Anthem
Started by Maia Gabrial, 31st August 2013 01:33

Interesting Darren Brown video - shows subliminal suggestion
Started by cursichella1, 23rd August 2013 05:42

BBC Wimbledon advertising tournament says it all - Packed with chemtrail subliminal messages
Started by naste.de.lumina, 8th July 2013 06:01

REAL subliminal message ‘KILL’ caught accidentally on the MSM News..!
Started by jackovesk, 13th April 2012 23:20

Subliminal Messaging on the Major networks in USA
Started by Referee, 22nd October 2011 13:20

Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 2 Subliminal Messages
Started by ktlight, 25th July 2011 04:37

Subliminal messages
Started by THIRDEYE, 5th September 2010 00:16

Subliminal messages its time for informed consent.
Started by Ruis, 29th April 2010 07:10


Theyre increasing the risk of Cancer through Fluoride...they get round the law by putting just under the legal amount in lots of different products.
41 threads related to fluoride.


Theyre using GMOs.
13 threads related to GMOs.


Theyre using cancer drugs in food.
100 threads related to cancer.


Theyre spraying chemicals on the people fighting back...the chemicals they spray contain fine particles of aliminium which the brains chemical barrier has no protection against. This increases the risk of brain disease and effects memory...
97 threads related to chemtrails.


Theyre targeting religion...to control masses of people...
Religion and Control and friendship (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39128-Religion-and-Control-and-friendship)
Started by shadowstalker, 23rd January 2012 04:14


theyre targeting politics...to restrict the public while giving themselves freedom...
36 threads related to politics


Theyre targeting the justice system...to get away with their crimes...
Justice system failed Nova Scotian teenager who was raped and bullied (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57972-Justice-system-failed-Nova-Scotian-teenager-who-was-raped-and-bullied)
Started by northstar, 10th April 2013 03:23

+15 threads related to justice


Their targeting the military & police...as their protection...
An Open Message to Police & Military..! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36314-An-Open-Message-to-Police-Military..-)
Started by jackovesk, 6th December 2011 23:35

Pentagon provides military grade weapons to local police (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36630-Pentagon-provides-military-grade-weapons-to-local-police)
Started by baddbob, 12th December 2011 04:25


They use the Intelligence services to carry out all of the above...
Switzerland’s Intelligence Service Considering “Grave Danger” Alert for the United States (Sorcha Faal) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62018-Switzerland--s-Intelligence-Service-Considering---Grave-Danger---Alert-for-the-United-States--Sorcha-Faal-)
Started by spiritguide, 5th August 2013 11:30

[Atlas]

EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.
By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh | August 29, 2013


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This image provided by by Shaam News Network on Thursday, Aug. 22, 2013, which has been authenticated based on its contents and other AP reporting, purports to show several bodies being buried in a suburb of Damascus, Syria during a funeral on Wednesday, Aug. 21, 2013. Syrian government forces pressed their offensive in eastern Damascus on Thursday, bombing rebel-held suburbs where the opposition said the regime had killed more than 100 people the day before in a chemical weapons attack. The government has denied allegations it used chemical weapons in artillery barrages on the area known as eastern Ghouta on Wednesday as "absolutely baseless." (AP Photo/Shaam News Network)

This image provided by by Shaam News Network on Thursday, Aug. 22, 2013, purports to show several bodies being buried in a suburb of Damascus, Syria during a funeral on Wednesday, Aug. 21, 2013, following allegations of a chemical weapons attack that reportedly killed 355 people. (AP Photo/Shaam News Network)

Clarification: Dale Gavlak assisted in the research and writing process of this article, but was not on the ground in Syria. Reporter Yahya Ababneh, with whom the report was written in collaboration, was the correspondent on the ground in Ghouta who spoke directly with the rebels, their family members, victims of the chemical weapons attacks and local residents.

Gavlak is a MintPress News Middle East correspondent who has been freelancing for the AP as a Amman, Jordan correspondent for nearly a decade. This report is not an Associated Press article; rather it is exclusive to MintPress News.

Ghouta, Syria — As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week’s chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.

Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.

The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.”

However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named ‘J’ agreed. “Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material,” he said.

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said.

Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.

The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders added that health workers aiding 3,600 patients also reported experiencing similar symptoms, including frothing at the mouth, respiratory distress, convulsions and blurry vision. The group has not been able to independently verify the information.

More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government.


Saudi involvement

In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandar’s role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.

Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.

“Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord,” Ingersoll wrote.

“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Bandar allegedly told the Russians.

“Along with Saudi officials, the U.S. allegedly gave the Saudi intelligence chief the thumbs up to conduct these talks with Russia, which comes as no surprise,” Ingersoll wrote.

“Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy,” he added.

According to U.K.’s Independent newspaper, it was Prince Bandar’s intelligence agency that first brought allegations of the use of sarin gas by the regime to the attention of Western allies in February.

The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the CIA realized Saudi Arabia was “serious” about toppling Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar to lead the effort.

“They believed that Prince Bandar, a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldn’t: planeloads of money and arms, and, as one U.S. diplomat put it, wasta, Arabic for under-the-table clout,” it said.

Bandar has been advancing Saudi Arabia’s top foreign policy goal, WSJ reported, of defeating Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.

To that aim, Bandar worked Washington to back a program to arm and train rebels out of a planned military base in Jordan.

The newspaper reports that he met with the “uneasy Jordanians about such a base”:

His meetings in Amman with Jordan’s King Abdullah sometimes ran to eight hours in a single sitting. “The king would joke: ‘Oh, Bandar’s coming again? Let’s clear two days for the meeting,’ ” said a person familiar with the meetings.

Jordan’s financial dependence on Saudi Arabia may have given the Saudis strong leverage. An operations center in Jordan started going online in the summer of 2012, including an airstrip and warehouses for arms. Saudi-procured AK-47s and ammunition arrived, WSJ reported, citing Arab officials.

Although Saudi Arabia has officially maintained that it supported more moderate rebels, the newspaper reported that “funds and arms were being funneled to radicals on the side, simply to counter the influence of rival Islamists backed by Qatar.”

But rebels interviewed said Prince Bandar is referred to as “al-Habib” or ‘the lover’ by al-Qaida militants fighting in Syria.

Peter Oborne, writing in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday, has issued a word of caution about Washington’s rush to punish the Assad regime with so-called ‘limited’ strikes not meant to overthrow the Syrian leader but diminish his capacity to use chemical weapons:

Consider this: the only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels, previously losing the war, who now have Britain and America ready to intervene on their side. While there seems to be little doubt that chemical weapons were used, there is doubt about who deployed them.

It is important to remember that Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a U.N. commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible.

Some information in this article could not be independently verified. Mint Press News will continue to provide further information and updates .

Dale Gavlak is a Middle East correspondent for Mint Press News and has reported from Amman, Jordan, writing for the Associated Press, NPR and BBC. An expert in Middle Eastern affairs, Gavlak covers the Levant region, writing on topics including politics, social issues and economic trends. Dale holds a M.A. in Middle Eastern Studies from the University of Chicago. Contact Dale at dgavlak@mintpressnews.com

Yahya Ababneh is a Jordanian freelance journalist and is currently working on a master’s degree in journalism, He has covered events in Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Libya. His stories have appeared on Amman Net, Saraya News, Gerasa News and elsewhere.

Thank you xthesurge0nx, so do you confirm there is no proof of Saudi involvement in this case ?

[xthesurge0nx]

I think I love you...you are the greatest :wizard: I have met...

[Atlas]

Thank you my friend, I believe there's nothing like the truth.

I know you are doing a real good job and I think we all appreciate that.

As ROMANWKT said:

Thank you my friend, exactly that, keep on going, good stuff.

[xthesurge0nx]

Saudi involvement

In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandar’s role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.

Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.

“Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord,” Ingersoll wrote.

“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Bandar allegedly told the Russians.

“Along with Saudi officials, the U.S. allegedly gave the Saudi intelligence chief the thumbs up to conduct these talks with Russia, which comes as no surprise,” Ingersoll wrote.

“Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy,” he added.

According to U.K.’s Independent newspaper, it was Prince Bandar’s intelligence agency that first brought allegations of the use of sarin gas by the regime to the attention of Western allies in February.

The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the CIA realized Saudi Arabia was “serious” about toppling Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar to lead the effort.

“They believed that Prince Bandar, a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldn’t: planeloads of money and arms, and, as one U.S. diplomat put it, wasta, Arabic for under-the-table clout,” it said.

Bandar has been advancing Saudi Arabia’s top foreign policy goal, WSJ reported, of defeating Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.

To that aim, Bandar worked Washington to back a program to arm and train rebels out of a planned military base in Jordan.

The newspaper reports that he met with the “uneasy Jordanians about such a base”:

His meetings in Amman with Jordan’s King Abdullah sometimes ran to eight hours in a single sitting. “The king would joke: ‘Oh, Bandar’s coming again? Let’s clear two days for the meeting,’ ” said a person familiar with the meetings.

Jordan’s financial dependence on Saudi Arabia may have given the Saudis strong leverage. An operations center in Jordan started going online in the summer of 2012, including an airstrip and warehouses for arms. Saudi-procured AK-47s and ammunition arrived, WSJ reported, citing Arab officials.

Although Saudi Arabia has officially maintained that it supported more moderate rebels, the newspaper reported that “funds and arms were being funneled to radicals on the side, simply to counter the influence of rival Islamists backed by Qatar.”

But rebels interviewed said Prince Bandar is referred to as “al-Habib” or ‘the lover’ by al-Qaida militants fighting in Syria.

Peter Oborne, writing in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday, has issued a word of caution about Washington’s rush to punish the Assad regime with so-called ‘limited’ strikes not meant to overthrow the Syrian leader but diminish his capacity to use chemical weapons:

Consider this: the only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels, previously losing the war, who now have Britain and America ready to intervene on their side. While there seems to be little doubt that chemical weapons were used, there is doubt about who deployed them.

It is important to remember that Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a U.N. commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible.

Some information in this article could not be independently verified. Mint Press News will continue to provide further information and updates .

no proof of Saudi involvement in this case - I personally think, from this article there is a lot of evidence to say that the Saudis conspiring with the US and caused this attack...I need to go over and over because Im really tired but what is highlighted below tells me it was the Saudis and the US...thats from this article...but please remember im tired so my mind may be reading it wrong...please correct me if Im wrong...

On the same breathe we have to take into consideration the alleged and the Many observers believe. We also have to take into consideration the agenda of the New World Order...


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1. Prince Bandar - Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.

2. Prince Bandar - Secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.

3. Prince Bandar - hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord.

4. Prince Bandar - The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us.

5. Prince Bandar - Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy.

6. Prince Bandar - Prince Bandar’s intelligence agency that first brought allegations of the use of sarin gas by the regime to the attention of Western allies.

7. Prince Bandar - CIA realized Saudi Arabia was “serious” about toppling Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar to lead the effort.

8. Prince Bandar - a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldn’t.

9. Prince Bandar - Bandar has been advancing Saudi Arabia’s top foreign policy goal, WSJ reported, of defeating Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.

10. Prince Bandar - Bandar worked Washington to back a program to arm and train rebels out of a planned military base in Jordan.

11. Prince Bandar - Saudi Arabia has officially maintained that it supported more moderate rebels, the newspaper reported that “funds and arms were being funneled to radicals on the side, simply to counter the influence of rival Islamists backed by Qatar.

12. Prince Bandar - Rebels interviewed said Prince Bandar is referred to as “al-Habib” or ‘the lover’ by al-Qaida militants fighting in Syria.

13. Washington’s rush to punish the Assad regime.

14. The only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels.

15. Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a U.N. commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible.

[Atlas]

Here is the full Prince Bandar / Poutine story :

Russian President, Saudi Spy Chief Discussed Syria, Egypt

A diplomatic report about the “stormy meeting” in July between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan concluded that the region stretching from North Africa to Chechnya and from Iran to Syria — in other words, the entire Middle East — has come under the influence of an open US-Russian face-off and that “it is not unlikely that things [will] take a dramatic turn in Lebanon, in both the political and security senses, in light of the major Saudi decision to respond to Hezbollah’s involvement in the Syrian crisis.”

The report starts by presenting the conditions under which the Russian-Saudi meeting was convened. It states that Prince Bandar, in coordination with the Americans and some European partners, proposed to Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz that Bandar visit Moscow and employ the carrot-and-stick approach, which is used in most negotiators, and offer the Russian leadership political, economic, military and security enticements in return for concessions on several regional issues, in particular Syria and Iran.

King Abdullah agreed with the proposal and contacted President Putin on July 30. In a conversation that lasted only a few minutes, they agreed to Bandar’s visit and to keep it under wraps. Bandar arrived in Moscow. The visit was secret. The Saudi Embassy did not follow the usual protocol for Saudi officials visiting Russia.

In Moscow, a preliminary session was held at Russian military intelligence headquarters between Bandar and the director of Russian Military Intelligence, Gen. Igor Sergon. The meeting focused on security cooperation between the two countries. Bandar then visited Putin’s house on the outskirts of the Russian capital, where they held a closed-door bilateral meeting that lasted four hours. They discussed the agenda, which consisted of bilateral issues and a number of regional and international matters in which the two countries share interest.

Bilateral relations

At the bilateral level, Bandar relayed the Saudi king’s greetings to Putin and the king’s emphasis on the importance of developing the bilateral relationship. He also told Putin that the king would bless any understanding reached during the visit. Bandar also said, however, that “any understanding we reach in this meeting will not only be a Saudi-Russian understanding, but will also be an American-Russian understanding. I have spoken with the Americans before the visit, and they pledged to commit to any understandings that we may reach, especially if we agree on the approach to the Syrian issue.”

Bandar stressed the importance of developing relations between the two countries, saying that the logic of interests can reveal large areas of cooperation. He gave several examples in the economic, investment, oil and military arenas.

Bandar told Putin, “There are many common values ​​and goals that bring us together, most notably the fight against terrorism and extremism all over the world. Russia, the US, the EU and the Saudis agree on promoting and consolidating international peace and security. The terrorist threat is growing in light of the phenomena spawned by the Arab Spring. We have lost some regimes. And what we got in return were terrorist experiences, as evidenced by the experience of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the extremist groups in Libya. ... As an example, I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics in the city of Sochi on the Black Sea next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us, and they will not move in the Syrian territory’s direction without coordinating with us. These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role or influence in Syria’s political future.”

Putin thanked King Abdullah for his greetings and Bandar for his exposition, but then he said to Bandar, “We know that you have supported the Chechen terrorist groups for a decade. And that support, which you have frankly talked about just now, is completely incompatible with the common objectives of fighting global terrorism that you mentioned. We are interested in developing friendly relations according to clear and strong principles.”

Bandar said that the matter is not limited to the kingdom and that some countries have overstepped the roles drawn for them, such as Qatar and Turkey. He added, “We said so directly to the Qataris and to the Turks. We rejected their unlimited support to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and elsewhere. The Turks’ role today has become similar to Pakistan’s role in the Afghan war. We do not favor extremist religious regimes, and we wish to establish moderate regimes in the region. It is worthwhile to pay attention to and to follow up on Egypt’s experience. We will continue to support the [Egyptian] army, and we will support Defense Minister Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi because he is keen on having good relations with us and with you. And we suggest to you to be in contact with him, to support him and to give all the conditions for the success of this experiment. We are ready to hold arms deals with you in exchange for supporting these regimes, especially Egypt.”

Economic and oil cooperation

Then Bandar discussed the potential cooperation between the two countries if an understanding could be reached on a number of issues, especially Syria. He discussed at length the matter of oil and investment cooperation, saying, “Let us examine how to put together a unified Russian-Saudi strategy on the subject of oil. The aim is to agree on the price of oil and production quantities that keep the price stable in global oil markets. ... We understand Russia’s great interest in the oil and gas present in the Mediterranean Sea from Israel to Cyprus through Lebanon and Syria. And we understand the importance of the Russian gas pipeline to Europe. We are not interested in competing with that. We can cooperate in this area as well as in the areas of establishing refineries and petrochemical industries. The kingdom can provide large multi-billion-dollar investments in various fields in the Russian market. What’s important is to conclude political understandings on a number of issues, particularly Syria and Iran.”

Putin responded that the proposals about oil and gas, economic and investment cooperation deserve to be studied by the relevant ministries in both countries.

Syria first

Bandar discussed the Syrian issue at length. He explained how the kingdom’s position had evolved on the Syrian crisis since the Daraa incident all the way to what is happening today. He said, “The Syrian regime is finished as far as we and the majority of the Syrian people are concerned. [The Syrian people] will not allow President Bashar al-Assad to remain at the helm. The key to the relations between our two countries starts by understanding our approach to the Syrian issue. So you have to stop giving [the Syrian regime] political support, especially at the UN Security Council, as well as military and economic support. And we guarantee you that Russia’s interests in Syria and on the Mediterranean coast will not be affected one bit. In the future, Syria will be ruled by a moderate and democratic regime that will be directly sponsored by us and that will have an interest in understanding Russia's interests and role in the region.”

Russia’s intransigence is to Iran’s benefit

Bandar also presented Saudi Arabia’s views about Iran’s role in the region, especially in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Yemen, Bahrain and other countries. He said he hoped that the Russians would understand that Russia's interests and the interests of the Gulf states are one in the face of Iranian greed and nuclear challenge.

Putin gave his country’s position on the Arab Spring developments, especially about what has happened in Libya, saying, “We are very concerned about Egypt. And we understand what the Egyptian army is doing. But we are very cautious in approaching what’s happening because we are afraid that things may slide toward an Egyptian civil war, which would be too costly for the Egyptians, the Arabs and the international community. I wanted to do a brief visit to Egypt. And the matter is still under discussion.”

Regarding Iran, Putin said to Bandar that Iran is a neighbor, that Russia and Iran are bound by relations that go back centuries, and that there are common and tangled interests between them. Putin said, “We support the Iranian quest to obtain nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes. And we helped them develop their facilities in this direction. Of course, we will resume negotiations with them as part of the 5P+1 group. I will meet with President Hassan Rouhani on the sidelines of the Central Asia summit and we will discuss a lot of bilateral, regional and international issues. We will inform him that Russia is completely opposed to the UN Security Council imposing new sanctions on Iran. We believe that the sanctions imposed against Iran and Iranians are unfair and that we will not repeat the experience again.”

Erdogan to visit Moscow in September

Regarding the Turkish issue, Putin spoke of his friendship with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan; “Turkey is also a neighboring country with which we have common interests. We are keen to develop our relations in various fields. During the Russian-Turkish meeting, we scrutinized the issues on which we agree and disagree. We found out that we have more converging than diverging views. I have already informed the Turks, and I will reiterate my stance before my friend Erdogan, that what is happening in Syria necessitates a different approach on their part. Turkey will not be immune to Syria’s bloodbath. The Turks ought to be more eager to find a political settlement to the Syrian crisis. We are certain that the political settlement in Syria is inevitable, and therefore they ought to reduce the extent of damage. Our disagreement with them on the Syrian issue does not undermine other understandings between us at the level of economic and investment cooperation. We have recently informed them that we are ready to cooperate with them to build two nuclear reactors. This issue will be on the agenda of the Turkish prime minister during his visit to Moscow in September.”

Putin: Our stance on Assad will not change

Regarding the Syrian issue, the Russian president responded to Bandar, saying, “Our stance on Assad will never change. We believe that the Syrian regime is the best speaker on behalf of the Syrian people, and not those liver eaters. During the Geneva I Conference, we agreed with the Americans on a package of understandings, and they agreed that the Syrian regime will be part of any settlement. Later on, they decided to renege on Geneva I. In all meetings of Russian and American experts, we reiterated our position. In his upcoming meeting with his American counterpart John Kerry, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov will stress the importance of making every possible effort to rapidly reach a political settlement to the Syrian crisis so as to prevent further bloodshed.”

As soon as Putin finished his speech, Prince Bandar warned that in light of the course of the talks, things were likely to intensify, especially in the Syrian arena, although he appreciated the Russians’ understanding of Saudi Arabia’s position on Egypt and their readiness to support the Egyptian army despite their fears for Egypt's future.

The head of the Saudi intelligence services said that the dispute over the approach to the Syrian issue leads to the conclusion that “there is no escape from the military option, because it is the only currently available choice given that the political settlement ended in stalemate. We believe that the Geneva II Conference will be very difficult in light of this raging situation.”

At the end of the meeting, the Russian and Saudi sides agreed to continue talks, provided that the current meeting remained under wraps. This was before one of the two sides leaked it via the Russian press.

This article was first published in Arabic on 8/22/2013. Read original article.

The English content was translated by Al-Monitor. All rights reserved.

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[Atlas]

I'm not saying the Saudi deserve the peace nobel price, what I am saying here is that there's no proof of Saudi chemical weapons in Syria and if I let my feelings speak, I'd say that Gavlak's article is biased.

And after that the MSM are yelling "Saudi chemical weapons used by incompetent rebels, Assad is innocent...".

Saddam Hussein also had WMD which were never found last time we went there, we know the CIA (unwillingly) fabricated this false information.

[xthesurge0nx]

Yes I completely agree with you "no solid proof of Saudi chemical weapons in Syria only allegations by mostly un-named people"...everything is alleged...he alleged this, they alleged that...this allegedly come from here...nobody is releasing their intelligence...theres news reports but thats it...

Insurgents in Syria take responsibility for chemical weapons attack


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Syria Rebels testing Tekkim Chemicals As Chemical Weapons


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We havent got any hard evidence from anyone on anything to do with Syria only that an attack took place...and children died...the rest is political acting...



U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.”


War shouldnt be based on judgement but fact...and its not clear to the world in the slightest...maybe from the Illuminati Skull & Bones perspective...



However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.


Many people believe aliens are real but you dont see the governments rushing to disclose the truth...

Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief.

Which rebels? "militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation"...so Militant groups linked to al-Qaida...

You could walk around England or America and ask people the same question and come up with the same answer...

similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation

The civilians were affected by the chemical attack whoever caused it...and then they are the target for retaliation...



“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”


Some of this is confirmed in the following video...

See -> youtube.com/watch?v=TNDwFllpxv­M



Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.




Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.




“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”


Rebels didnt know what the weapon were and had no training...



“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.


Anonymous for fear of retaliation...



A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named ‘J’ agreed. “Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material,” he said.

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said.




Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.

[xthesurge0nx]

I'm not saying the Saudi deserve the peace nobel price, what I am saying here is that there's no proof of Saudi chemical weapons in Syria and if I let my feelings speak, I'd say that Gavlak's article is biased.

And after that the MSM are yelling "Saudi chemical weapons used by incompetent rebels, Assad is innocent...".

Saddam Hussein also had WMD which were never found last time we went there, we know the CIA (unwillingly) fabricated this false information.

You also had MI6 Operation Mass Appeal...

[Atlas]

Thank you, another interesting point, some bloggers asked :

"how are we going to bomb the chemical weapons stocks which are buried underground?"

Anyway, I concur with what you are saying, the innocent civilians are once again under fire because of political decisions and that's a shame.

Edit: just read your post,


On the same breathe we have to take into consideration the alleged and the Many observers believe.
Correct, that is what I found too, and we are calling this a proof, bs...


weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha
Is Abu Ayesha a Saudi intelligence agent, is he linked to Prince Bandar? Nope...


“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned.
Oh yes, this one is funny! Don't forget the journalist is Jordanian, he's not Syrian.

So Prince Bandar, who is threatening Russia of a terrorist attack, gave the chemicals weapons to an alleged Abu Ayesha who gave them to some unidentified Syrian militants who exploded them accidentally killing the civilians. And the all story is based on a Jordanian paper... am I supposed to believe this?

Still no proof of Saudi weapons, they could be from anywhere else, no one knows but still, we blindly want to believe they are from Saudi Arabia, and that's when 'they' win, whoever they are, mastering the art of disinformation at a global scale...

Thank you for digging up all the info. I've never heard of "MI6 Operation Mass Appeal"...
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[Sidney]

When ever we see something that is incredibly incriminating on youtube (or elsewhere), we all need to get into the habit of downloading it. So if/when it is taken down, someone still has copies of it.