The ugly faces of cancer- Very strong images

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CAUTION: THESE VIDEOS HAVE VERY STRONG IMAGES, IF YOU THINK YOU'D BE IMPRESS IN A NEGATIVE WAY PLEASE DON'T WATCH THEM AS YOU CAN NOT 'UNSEE' THEM.

Dear avalonians,
I have been thinking about this subject for a long time but I wasn't sure if I should post such strong images in the forum. Finally I came to the conclusion that everybody needs to know what cancer really is and how to cure it or prevent it because as the saying goes, the truth will set you free.

The purpose of the thread is to show the images so we all have a better idea of what this illness really is. When somebody goes to the doctor and is diagnosed, usually the patient can't see inside his/her body but doctors can and what they see is so evident that I'm more than surprised nobody had come to the same conclusion as Dr. Tulio Simoncini did.

Endoscopies have been around for many years so it's not as if we didn't have the right tools and even when surgeons operate patients they can clearly see what's inside them.
We all have candida in our bodies as it's one of many organisms we have to help with digestion but sometimes and for different reasons it can reproduce to such extent that it creates some sort of growth as colonies get bigger and bigger until finally it goes to other organs which is called metastasis.

I really hope this images can show all of you why the genetic or cellular theory is not true at all. The cells in our bodies have very specific qualities and functions depending on what organs are they part of, so cells from your big toe don't go to visit the cells on your brain nor they go anywhere else, but fungi, viruses, bacteria, etc, they do travel in the blood and other fuids.

The genetic theory or madness of the cells that start behaving as serial killers was created to give people the idea that we don't have any control over this ugly illness so we better trust the doctors who at the same time were told the same thing in medical school; a lie told many times over a long period of time becomes true, right?

I'm always amazed as how doctors and scientists can believe this and they repeat it again and again as if they were hypnotized. I can be very wrong, but please tell me.... when you see these images, what do you think of them? Because what I see is a humongous fungal infection and I feel really tempted to go and get my peroxide.

In the first two videos of stomach and esophagus cancer the white fungal coating is present everywhere. According to Dr. Simoncini, the fungus is not cancer, it's the cause of it, cancer is the tumor or reaction of the body against the fungus, the body starts creating more cells in order to fight the invasion.

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The next two videos show very advanced breast cancer cases. If you are still here and decided to watch, what do you make of this? I see a gigantic infection, again the white fungus is there.

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There are many types of cancer and maybe not all of them are caused but this kind of fungus but what if all the other ones are also caused by different microorganisms or a mix of them?

This next video is also very graphic, there's a truly horrifying video in his channel which I decided not to post here, he died from melanoma which usually starts as a black spot on the skin but as you can see, there's again the white coat and a lot more going on.

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Here we have Dr. Simoncini's video where he explains the nature of cancer and how he irrigates the affected organs with sodium bicarbonate, for skin cancer he uses iodine dye.

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For skin cancer cases, here is where black salve comes to the rescue as the ultimate savior, you can see how "clean" the treatment is in the sense that just the affected area or cells are touched by the salve and how after drawing the fungus out the healing continues to perfection. How is that compared to surgery which many times seems as the work of a butcher?

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Here, this man used a different product, a cream and these are his results:

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There are many more videos everywhere.

Finally, the point that I want to make is that CANCER IS ABSOLUTELY curable. If Simoncini's theory is true (I believe it is), cancer is no more that an infection that can be fought many ways, sodium bicarbonate, iodine and black salve are just a few of many tools available for those who want to try a different route.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I wish we were done with illness. It is completely unnecessary. But while we live in a lie, wish the lie to continue, lie to ourselves and support a system that routinely lies to us of course we will make each other, and ourselves, ill. So sad.

Here's hoping that one day soon we will let ourselves be filled with truth so that no one ever has to be ill again!

[Sunny-side-up]

Very ugly faces of cancer indeed! But there's worse than those, far worse, the faces of those who perpetuate this lie.

[Carmen]

Thanks for those videos Cloud9. Over the past week I have been experiencing black salve working to rid my face of skin cancer. It's been quite a journey and I'm very happy to now have this product and the knowledge of its use.

[The Truth Is In There]

sorry to disappoint you but i can tell you with 100% certainty (not 99.9%) that cancer is not a fungal or a bacterial "infection" or any infection at all. the fungi, mycobacteria or bacteria are there to remove the cancer and help with healing once the body no longer requires it.

to understand why the body requires cancer you'd have to learn an entirely different health system that is based on biological programs which, in the case of diseases like cancer or any other, have simply run too long and gotten out of hand. the potential to run these programs is a part of every living being but the "getting out of hand" is mostly a human thing, and primarily "civilized" humans, because they're no longer in tune with nature, their instincts and their bodies.

fungi and bacteria are our friends, we control them and what they do and we are responsible for all of our diseases. killing them will not extinguish the fire, only the firefighters.

also, there's no such thing as "metastasis", not by body cells as you noted, but not by fungi or bacteria either. every cancer or other disease, wherever it appears in the body, has a unique cause that is relatively easy to determine for those who know how the system works. once the cause is found and the "patient" realizes instinctively that the cancer or other disease is no longer necessary, it will heal, and the microbes help with that.

an example - many people who are told by doctors that they have some "deadly disease" like cancer will soon thereafter get "lung cancer" as well, or perhaps swollen cysts in the neck region, which doctors call non-hodgkin lymphoma. doctors then call these "metastases", which is wrong. the lung cancer was caused by a perceived (instinctually!) "death-threat" in the moment the patient was told the diagnosis by the doctor, and keeps growing as long as the patient is in this "death-threat mode". the cysts in the neck region appear if the patient perceived this as a frontal threat - something coming at him which he can do nothing about, but in this case the threat has already passed, otherwise the cysts wouldn't appear (they're a sign of healing, actually). same cause, two different perceptions, two different kinds of "cancer". once the patient realizes that these instinctively felt threats are not real, the cancers will no longer be necessary and heal. with some kinds of tissue, doctors only notice "cancers" when they're already healing, as would be the case with the aforementioned cysts, because the tissue only grows and swells in the healing phase.

to understand how all of this works, one first needs to know the biological reason for the tissue growth, ulceration or necrosis which are given various names of diseases by the medical system, often even given different names in the different phases of the same program.

it's a beautiful system that would totally destroy the medical system as it exists today. that's why it is so severely suppressed while others like dr. simoncini are relatively free to practice their kind of "healing". they're not a threat, just a nuisance.

[Lifebringer]

I wish we were done with illness. It is completely unnecessary. But while we live in a lie, wish the lie to continue, lie to ourselves and support a system that routinely lies to us of course we will make each other, and ourselves, ill. So sad.

Here's hoping that one day soon we will let ourselves be filled with truth so that no one ever has to be ill again!

No profit in the cure, it's cheap to make, and not dangerous to the natural state of the body. Garlic cloves on a basil malanoma will draw it out to the surface, repairing the cells as it expulses the viral infection. It's always been known to us in the 70's and 80's as the "Funky Fungus or Fungai"

Glad they are looking at nature for their disease causes. Just lack of knowledge on the amount of time safe in the sun, can cause bookoo damage.

[Lifebringer]

[QUOTE=The Truth Is In There;726604]sorry to disappoint you but i can tell you with 100% certainty (not 99.9%) that cancer is not a fungal or a bacterial "infection" or any infection at all. the fungi, mycobacteria or bacteria are there to remove the cancer and help with healing once the body no longer requires it.

I beg to differ. Running test in the lab on the biopsy shows the presence in areas not yet affected secreting these bacteria and virus out to spread it like a spore on a mushroom.

Spiritually I agree with you on the body's ability to heal, provided the person is in touch with those self help strength, but most are not. Some are racked with fear from the diagnosis and the hopeless way the doctors tell them chemo is the ONLY way. Chemo destroys surrounding healthy tissue, natural cures do not and once treatment begins, the process begins a reversal. Purging the poison cells and replacing them with healthy new cells, not replicated sickened cells.

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When they say "there's no cure, they mean there's none in their pharma stock portfolio.

[cloud9]

Hi The Truth is in There,
I could not agree with you more. For what you are saying I gather you are talking about something similar to the new medicine and Dr. Hammer studies which have come a long way since he first started. Thanks to some french thinkers and a few more europeans including Dr. Morano from Spain, the notion of emotion and conflict being the source of illness and imbalances in the body has been growing slowly but steadily. Add to that the concept of family constellations and how we are affected by what generations before us experienced and weren't able to resolve, we inherit those programs also and is our task to solve the conflicts.

I agree with you about the programs and I understand the concept but my intention with this thread is to show how this "disorder" or however you want to call it, manifests in the body as a fungus that spreads all over. Nobody has the right or simple answer just yet but it's possible that once the conflict arises and the person feels it unconsiously somewhere in his/her body, the area becomes energetically weak and becomes the perfect ground for this organisms to prosper.

The fungus invasion is very clear and there's no way to deny it, it's visible to our own eyes, it's not in any other level of reality but in the physical one. Now, if you remember that as above so below, in the same way that we are affected by our feelings and emotions we also affect the energetic field where this emotions emanate from, that's why many (not just 3 or 5) people have cured themselves of cancer and other ailments.

I agree with you that when doctors tell their patients what the diagnosis is, the patient receives another shock that causes a bigger problem. How I wish doctors wouldn't tell people about it but the system doesn't work that way.

For the vast mayority of human beings, it's easier to deal with something they can see. I don't know if you have ever tried to solve your conflicts on your own and if you have had any good results. I have a few health problems that I have been working on and so far I haven't seen any results and I have done many things. The biggest problem about tackling our issues ourselves is that the primary cause is in our unconscious mind and not easily accessible so what's a person left to do?
We all know that if you have an infected wound, you kill the bacteria that causes the infection and your wound is healed, the body closes it and that's it, so why wouldn't the same principle apply in this case? Many people have been successful in killing the fungus using different tools and have healed themselves.

[TargeT]

I see is a humongous fungal infection and I feel really tempted to go and get my peroxide.


this is why the use of radiation (at low levels) is such a powerful cancer preventitive. fungus cannot thrive when irradiated, they simply can not repair themselves like we can.

these videos are exactly why I have a polished piece of uranium ore around my neck & will wear it untill I die (I'm also getting some pendants for my wife and mother)

[MaroonLagoon]

I appreciate you posting this, I had actually never seen pictures like this and it helps me to get a better grasp to see it visually even if it isn't pretty. I was able to pass this on to someone who has a family member who might be able to be helped with this info too so thank you. This is really interesting, if we end up finding out that cancer is really an infection that is being purposefully mis-treated.

[The Truth Is In There]

I agree with you about the programs and I understand the concept but my intention with this thread is to show how this "disorder" or however you want to call it, manifests in the body as a fungus that spreads all over. Nobody has the right or simple answer just yet but it's possible that once the conflict arises and the person feels it unconsiously somewhere in his/her body, the area becomes energetically weak and becomes the perfect ground for this organisms to prosper.

The fungus invasion is very clear and there's no way to deny it, it's visible to our own eyes, it's not in any other level of reality but in the physical one.

there is one huge misunderstanding here. this is not an "invasion" by an enemy.

the fungus grows/develops during phase one after the trauma (in which the body creates the "cancer") because it is needed in phase two after the trauma is resolved to remove the tissue that has been built up. the fungus also doesn't spread everywhere, only where the body has built up additional tissue. it also depends on the kind of tissue. fungus works on some, bacteria on other. these microbes are never our enemies and never the cause for the disease. killing them is like killing the firefighters who try to extinguish a fire.

[cloud9]

I appreciate you posting this, I had actually never seen pictures like this and it helps me to get a better grasp to see it visually even if it isn't pretty. I was able to pass this on to someone who has a family member who might be able to be helped with this info too so thank you. This is really interesting, if we end up finding out that cancer is really an infection that is being purposefully mis-treated.

Hello friend,
As I have stated many times before here, I'm from Colombia where I lived my first 40 years and I have lived in the States for 13 years. During my life in my original country I just saw or knew about 3 people who died from cancer, one of them I went to visit near the end when somebody told me about it and the other two, I learned years later that they had died from cancer. The curious thing is that all 3 and myself worked for the same company, they worked there for many years and I left after 2 or 3 years of been there, all of them had stomach cancer.

Other than that I know another woman who was diagnosed and given 2 months to live according to the doctors, she refused to have chemo or radiation and changed her diet to raw food advised by her alternative holistic medicine doctor which she did and she visited me just 3 weeks ago here in New York 18 years later. This woman went to a conference given by Dr. Moriano (Spanish doctor) in Bogota about Dr. Hamer theories and what she learned there gave her the tools she needed.

What I'm trying to get to is that in my country it's still a rare disease, it was extremely rare before I left so I never saw real images, people used to say that cancer produces tumors in the body but I never saw it. While living in the States I have heard and known of quite a few people with this "problem", some people that I know and others, it's incredible for me.

I have been working for a year with a Stony Brook University program dedicated to serve 911 first responders, it's a medical office where they are monitored year after year and receive treatment. All I can say is that it really breaks my heart to see that there are so many people being diagnosed every day that I'm grateful I don't have to deal with them directly, I wouldn't have the courage to do so, I can't stand other people's suffering.

After seeing the images, I'm more than convinced now that this is a curable disease and I just want everybody to know that being diagnosed doesn't mean death, it means a lot of internal work and soul searching also.

[DeDukshyn]

'Why I won't "Run for the Cure"'

BTW my father has cancer is getting close to expiry (late stages). The interesting aspect about it all is that he has had cancer for a decade. Cancer society of Canada, nor any other so called cancer institutions had any interest in him or his cancer until he was in late stages, when he was the state where he required expensive drugs, then all of a sudden, a mad rush to get him on all sorts of expensive drugs to ease his discomfort into death. Money for big Pharma seems to be the #1 goal - no one cared until he was a dollar sign for big pharma, then it was all about sucking money out of my parents and any insurance systems. Even the Cancer society itself did nothing but help subsidize drugs when things got bad - they are nothing but another front for Big Pharma. I am disgusted.

This guy explains it well. **** all the cancer societies that do nothing but play on the hearts of the caring for donations to fuel the money making machine of pharma. God bless all the people who think they are doing the right thing, but wake the hell up!

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[cloud9]

sorry to disappoint you but i can tell you with 100% certainty (not 99.9%) that cancer is not a fungal or a bacterial "infection" or any infection at all. the fungi, mycobacteria or bacteria are there to remove the cancer and help with healing once the body no longer requires it.

to understand why the body requires cancer you'd have to learn an entirely different health system that is based on biological programs which, in the case of diseases like cancer or any other, have simply run too long and gotten out of hand. the potential to run these programs is a part of every living being but the "getting out of hand" is mostly a human thing, and primarily "civilized" humans, because they're no longer in tune with nature, their instincts and their bodies.

fungi and bacteria are our friends, we control them and what they do and we are responsible for all of our diseases. killing them will not extinguish the fire, only the firefighters.

also, there's no such thing as "metastasis", not by body cells as you noted, but not by fungi or bacteria either. every cancer or other disease, wherever it appears in the body, has a unique cause that is relatively easy to determine for those who know how the system works. once the cause is found and the "patient" realizes instinctively that the cancer or other disease is no longer necessary, it will heal, and the microbes help with that.

an example - many people who are told by doctors that they have some "deadly disease" like cancer will soon thereafter get "lung cancer" as well, or perhaps swollen cysts in the neck region, which doctors call non-hodgkin lymphoma. doctors then call these "metastases", which is wrong. the lung cancer was caused by a perceived (instinctually!) "death-threat" in the moment the patient was told the diagnosis by the doctor, and keeps growing as long as the patient is in this "death-threat mode". the cysts in the neck region appear if the patient perceived this as a frontal threat - something coming at him which he can do nothing about, but in this case the threat has already passed, otherwise the cysts wouldn't appear (they're a sign of healing, actually). same cause, two different perceptions, two different kinds of "cancer". once the patient realizes that these instinctively felt threats are not real, the cancers will no longer be necessary and heal. with some kinds of tissue, doctors only notice "cancers" when they're already healing, as would be the case with the aforementioned cysts, because the tissue only grows and swells in the healing phase.

to understand how all of this works, one first needs to know the biological reason for the tissue growth, ulceration or necrosis which are given various names of diseases by the medical system, often even given different names in the different phases of the same program.

it's a beautiful system that would totally destroy the medical system as it exists today. that's why it is so severely suppressed while others like dr. simoncini are relatively free to practice their kind of "healing". they're not a threat, just a nuisance.


Hello TTIIT,
I very kindly want to ask you to please expand further your views on this because it seems we are talking about two different things.

Can you please explain what cancer is?
How does it start to develop?
What is the cause?
How can we defeat it?
Why do you say you have a 100% certainty cancer is not produced by fungus?

I really hope I'm not asking too much of you but truly there has been several cases here in the forum where members ask for energy healing and prayer because they have a relative who has this problem and they want to help them, we also have members who would benefit from this information.

Thanks a million ;)

[The Truth Is In There]

1. Can you please explain what cancer is?
2. How does it start to develop?
3. What is the cause?
4. How can we defeat it?
5. Why do you say you have a 100% certainty cancer is not produced by fungus?


no problem, i'm glad someone shows interest in this.

1. cancer (and any other kind of disease) is a special biological program created to better deal with or survive a certain situation

2. some cancers (in organs or tissue that are controlled either by the brain stem or the cerebellum, such as certain parts of the digestive tract, the lungs, the corium, the liver or the kidneys) grow in phase 1 (while the trauma is active) and are removed by fungi or mycobacteria in phase 2 (healing phase, when the trauma is resolved). others (tissue controlled by the cerebrum, like bones, muscles incl. the heart, blood vessels, the epidermis or certain other parts of the aforementioned organs) start as ulceration or necrosis in phase 1 and are rebuilt with pain and swelling and the help of bacteria in phase two. mainstream medicine has many names for different phases of the same program but don't know the causes for any of these conditions.

3. the cause is a traumatic event which causes an instinctive (survival) reaction by the body. depending on the tissue or organ we see either growth in phase one or necrosis/ulcera (or in some cases only functional change). necrosis or ulcera may not be noticed until phase 2 starts if they make no symptoms in phase 1.

4. there's no need to defeat anything, it's not a war. the traumatic event has to be found and the emotion that is associated with this event must be resolved/released. this starts phase 2 and healing or rebuilding. certain traumas that were active for longer than nine months should not be resolved because they'd lead to a mortal heart attack (caused by swelling in the brain), but this doesn't concern any of the "cancers" we're talking about here.

5. because the fungus is not the cause. the fungus growth is controlled by the body. it grows while the trauma is unresolved and the special biological program is active (phase 1) because the fungus is needed to remove the built-up tissue in phase two, once the trauma has been resolved. if the fungi or mycobacteria are killed off by mms or antibiotics the body no longer has the means to remove the excess tissue and has to close it off. the cancer no longer grows but will remain where it is, while with fungus or mycobacteria like tuberculosis the excess tissue could be broken down and removed.

this is an incomplete bare bones explanation but the most important point is that we/our bodies create the "diseases", not some microbe. this goes for certain kinds of birth defects as well. even embryos can be traumatized and the result are certain birth defects. i explained in some other thread how autism is caused but this was met with skepticism as well. it's not easy to wrap your head around something that runs counter to everything we've been told as fact since decades or centuries.

if anyone has a specific condition and would like to know what could be the cause please send a pm. based on what organ or tissue is affected, the symptoms and a few other things the causative event (what trauma or threat most likely started the program) can be determined.

[cloud9]

1. Can you please explain what cancer is?
2. How does it start to develop?
3. What is the cause?
4. How can we defeat it?
5. Why do you say you have a 100% certainty cancer is not produced by fungus?


no problem, i'm glad someone shows interest in this.

1. cancer (and any other kind of disease) is a special biological program created to better deal with or survive a certain situation

2. some cancers (in organs or tissue that are controlled either by the brain stem or the cerebellum, such as certain parts of the digestive tract, the lungs, the corium, the liver or the kidneys) grow in phase 1 (while the trauma is active) and are removed by fungi or mycobacteria in phase 2 (healing phase, when the trauma is resolved). others (tissue controlled by the cerebrum, like bones, muscles incl. the heart, blood vessels, the epidermis or certain other parts of the aforementioned organs) start as ulceration or necrosis in phase 1 and are rebuilt with pain and swelling and the help of bacteria in phase two. mainstream medicine has many names for different phases of the same program but don't know the causes for any of these conditions.

3. the cause is a traumatic event which causes an instinctive (survival) reaction by the body. depending on the tissue or organ we see either growth in phase one or necrosis/ulcera (or in some cases only functional change). necrosis or ulcera may not be noticed until phase 2 starts if they make no symptoms in phase 1. What you are saying here is that a growth comes first (tumor) and then the microorganisms eat it away?



4. there's no need to defeat anything, it's not a war. the traumatic event has to be found and the emotion that is associated with this event must be resolved/released. this starts phase 2 and healing or rebuilding. certain traumas that were active for longer than nine months should not be resolved because they'd lead to a mortal heart attack (caused by swelling in the brain), but this doesn't concern any of the "cancers" we're talking about here.

5. because the fungus is not the cause. the fungus growth is controlled by the body. it grows while the trauma is unresolved and the special biological program is active (phase 1) because the fungus is needed to remove the built-up tissue in phase two, once the trauma has been resolved. if the fungi or mycobacteria are killed off by mms or antibiotics the body no longer has the means to remove the excess tissue and has to close it off. the cancer no longer grows but will remain where it is, while with fungus or mycobacteria like tuberculosis the excess tissue could be broken down and removed. Here is where I'm not sure if I agree with this theory. If the fungus is controlled by the body I would say that in so many cases the fungus growth goes uncontrolled same as the tumor. If you saw the videos that I posted, black salve seems to draw out a massive amount of the fungus and the skin immediately starts to recuperate to the extent that no scar is left, it makes the affected area really clean and healthy with no fungus and the person is healed.

this is an incomplete bare bones explanation but the most important point is that

we/our bodies create the "diseases", not some microbe. this goes for certain kinds of birth defects as well. even embryos can be traumatized and the result are certain birth defects. i explained in some other thread how autism is caused but this was met with skepticism as well. it's not easy to wrap your head around something that runs counter to everything we've been told as fact since decades or centuries.

if anyone has a specific condition and would like to know what could be the cause please send a pm. based on what organ or tissue is affected, the symptoms and a few other things the causative event (what trauma or threat most likely started the program) can be determined.


Thanks a lot. Even though I see what you are explaining here somehow it seems to me doesn't apply to every case. I understand the concept of emotions being the cause of the problem but still the role of the fungus is not so clear (for me).
Somehow it seems like a very crude and nasty way to "fix" a problem and I think the body usually deals with its own issues in a cleaner way.
What if the problem is that because of an event or negative emotion that is placed on or in an organ, the area becomes energetically very weak and this invites the fungus and they thrive because of this less than perfect environment.

In the first video which is esophagus cancer it doesn't appear as there's a tumor, it's just the white stuff on the walls of the esophagus.

I have been looking for this information for years and have been able to find just a few clues. I'll PM you to ask you for specific problems.

Would you start a thread sharing this information? There are many member who would benefit because of it.

[The Truth Is In There]

Somehow it seems like a very crude and nasty way to "fix" a problem and I think the body usually deals with its own issues in a cleaner way.

What if the problem is that because of an event or negative emotion that is placed on or in an organ, the area becomes energetically very weak and this invites the fungus and they thrive because of this less than perfect environment.

In the first video which is esophagus cancer it doesn't appear as there's a tumor, it's just the white stuff on the walls of the esophagus.

I have been looking for this information for years and have been able to find just a few clues. I'll PM you to ask you for specific problems.

Would you start a thread sharing this information? There are many member who would benefit because of it.

it's not that energy or an emotion is placed in an organ, rather a traumatic event is expressed (creates changes) in a very specific place on three different levels at the same time - in the psyche, the brain and in the body. the psychological changes may or may not be apparent at first depending on the trauma, but evidence can be seen immediately in every single case in the brain ct (as soon as the trauma hit a certain relay) and after a while also in the body.

the way to fix a problem becomes crude only if the fixing takes a long time, as in many humans. in nature problems are usually fixed rapidly. either the program works and the animal survives, or it's killed. humans can drag their problems around for years, all the while the cancer keeps growing.

in the esophagus are two different kinds of tissue. the submucosa or actual esophageal tissue makes adeno-carcinoma (grows) in phase 1, but there's mucosa all the way from the mouth 2/3 down the esophagus that makes ulcera in phase 1. some of this tissue is also in the small curvature of the stomach and the bulbus duodeni. that's why in some places of the stomach or esophagus we see cancerous growth while elsewhere we see primarily ulcers. the traumatic events are completely different in these cases, too.

i don't think creating an own thread for this topic makes much sense right now. there seems to be little interest and i get the impression that most members are simply not ready for the information or comfortable with it and prefer various kinds of other treatments. to each their own, and in their own time. i don't want to force this information on anyone.

[Shannow]

The Truth Is In There, I personally am interested, as reading the German New Medicine IIRC some years ago made a modicum of sense, just didn't find much after a few short articles.

I was interested in how such could be a defence mechanism, or even be considered as such. But also know that in many traditional societies, a bloke pointing a bone at you will cause so much stress that you will pass rapidly.