Second Sun/Planet X sightings on the rise

[ruthy]

I don't like to post anything on topics like this unless I've done my own bit of research and feel strongly that what I'm seeing and hearing is credible.

We've had massive sightings of this extra spacial body since 2010, with the frequency increasing, and the movements of this body becoming trackable.

Have you wondered why the sky is being crisscrossed with so many chem trails? Why they seem to start the chem trails over the part of the sky where the sun is and this extra glowing body? They are definitely trying to block our view. There are some very good videos that show the difference between lens flares and an actual extra entity in the sky. I personally can not remember a day when I could see the sun clearly in a long time. Now there are so many chem trails in mexico, its absurd...and they seem to really increase in coverage around sunset and sunrise.

Here are a couple of videos that I want to share. Hope you all take the time to look these over, again if I didn't find them alarming and important I wouldn't have ever dared to post this. hope all are well and safe tonight, g'night


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQH0kfhJS_0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJiQkKoIeFw

[Operator]

Well, we've a perfect sunset almost each night here in the Caribbean. We see the sun sink
into the sea with clear skies most of the time.

But I wouldn't be able to reproduce pictures like that. There is simply only one body ...

Besides I have problems with the idea that it is almost behind our own sun. Its position should then change when
we progress through the years. E.g. half a year later we should be at the same side.

Then there is the additional theory that it is in an earth-like orbit and always at the opposite side of the sun.
Well if that is the case we don't have a problem, do we?

[Kristin]

That second video is excellent. Thank you for the post.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[ruthy]

actually if you look at the first video compilation, it shows that the extra body is moving..it is on the left..then it is slightly above the sun, current videos are on the right side. Also in the video it explains that at first glance at the sky..it's very difficult to see because of the glare from the sun itself...also in areas of the globe they can see this object much easier because of the angle they are at, I wish I had clear skies like you to be able to try to film something...I understand your being dubious..but when you see that many people taking that many videos...i'm sorry they can't ALL be fake, in the laws of probability it is impossible.

Especially the videos that show a clear lens flare, and they show that the lens flare moves with the movement of the video..then you see that the two "suns" are stationary the entire time. Another way to show that the object is a real object is place your index finger over the image being filmed..if when you put your finger up in front of your camera covering the object, and the spots disappear, they are lens flares. and if they remain they are real objects in the sky.

Anyways, think what you will, I just post what i believe and to get other people to at least investigate for themselves :D

[Operator]

If some people are seeing what others clearly are not seeing ... then I wonder if they could be using holographic imaging.

We are always speculating about how holography can be used for a fake alien attack etc. but what about if they
use it to let everyone believe that planet X (or whatever) is approaching?

We've seen a good (but different) example before:

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[LivioRazlo]

What these global elitist have failed to remember is the vigilance of the human spirit. I refuse to become a slave and I most certainly refuse to allow this country to be forever condemned to a Nazi state. Long live the Constitution and the freedom fighters of humanity.

[Shane]

We are always speculating about how holography can be used for a fake alien attack etc. but what about if they
use it to let everyone believe that planet X (or whatever) is approaching?
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This is a very good thing to consider.

Also.. How the same technologies could potentially be used to prevent us from seeing something that is there.

Although I'm sure the way you said it is far more likely. (And arguably easier)

[Cheyne]

This photo was taken on the Gold Coast in Queensland,Australia around the middle of June 2013 at dawn.What puzzles me is the reflection on the ocean of the 2nd sun (?).

Without the reflection I would just right off the smaller sun type object as some kind of camera lens flare.

I'd be interested in the opinions of people regarding this photo.

Cheers,Cheyne

[Spike]

Isn't it funny same day fema is getting MREs ready for the north east on October 1st?


According to NASA, the Comet ISON will flyby Mars on October 1st
http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2013/08/24/nasa-reports-comet-ison-pass-mars-october-1st/

Since ison is around Mars we should be able to see it. Mars comes up at 3:08am eastern rises 5 degrees every half hour. Sun rises in the east. I live in the north east 213m above sea level. Find orion's belt follow the 3 stars straight down to the horizon, then go left a bit up should be a red dot if not wait 30 min if your at lower elevation.

Weather wise we might not be able to see it until 9/12.

[Sérénité]

Still honestly cant decide about the whole second sun/planet x thing. Im not completely dismissing it, I will read things on it, but Im just not convinced 'they' are THAT good to be able to hide such a thing from the overall general population?
BUT...I totally agree on the chem-trail placement thing.

When you wake up to trails, they are always in the exact same area in the east where the sun is rising...if they spray mid day they always spray in a southerly area, if they are leaving trails of an early evening they are always in the west to haze the sun setting. This process has become too obvious to be coincidence and for the ones who say chemtrails are contrails, why do the contrails here in the UK only linger in one certain section of sky around the sun?!

Anyway :focus:

so its clear they are intentionally shielding in the area of the sun, whether this is to hide something from us or something else, I cant decide?

The second video is disturbing in so many ways. September really feels like the calm before the storm.

[sheme]

We must remember they wish to feed us fear, fear grows evil, don't fall for this dramatic presentation- just look listen and stay calm and gray, we are being manipulated once more.

[Hazel]

Cheyne... 'What the... ?!'

very interesting because co-incidentally, I too live on the Gold Coast and late last year I observed 2 suns on the horizon at dawn. In fact I posted re the phenomenon about a week ago on another thread about the topic of Planet X.

[ulli]

Still honestly cant decide about the whole second sun/planet x thing. Im not completely dismissing it, I will read things on it, but Im just not convinced 'they' are THAT good to be able to hide such a thing from the overall general population?
BUT...I totally agree on the chem-trail placement thing.

When you wake up to trails, they are always in the exact same area in the east where the sun is rising...if they spray mid day they always spray in a southerly area, if they are leaving trails of an early evening they are always in the west to haze the sun setting. This process has become too obvious to be coincidence and for the ones who say chemtrails are contrails, why do the contrails here in the UK only linger in one certain section of sky around the sun?!

Anyway :focus:

so its clear they are intentionally shielding in the area of the sun, whether this is to hide something from us or something else, I cant decide?

The second video is disturbing in so many ways. September really feels like the calm before the storm.

There are no chemtrails here in Costa Rica, nor in Barbados where I have done some early morning sun gazing.
The sun looks normal in both places, and there is only one sun.

[norman]

I can't take an photos seriously that have been taken by cheap consumer grade cameras while pointing at the sun through the earth's atmosphere. There are too many variables.

If I was shown a picture of 2 suns taken from the space station with a pin hole camera ( no lens surfaces at all ), I'd really be in no doubt.


As for the FEMA prepping, That's looking very serious and imminent. I can only assume, from the clear date setting, that someone up top knows exactly what's going to happen, and when.

That kinda rules out a real war, a space fly by, an extreme weather event.

Logic tells me they are putting together a huge event, and know every tiny detail of how it's going to happen.

October 1st is the fiscal cliff date, isn't it?

For an event that 'resembles' a natural disaster with plenty of plausible deniability, I suppose they could claim that a mystery submarine snuck up on America and exploded a nuke just off shore causing a tsunami. To make that story stick they'd have to publicly be seen to go poking a stick at a wasps nest somewhere.

Can't imagine what that would be.

[ruthy]

Ok, what do you think of this taken from an observatory in Hawaii?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSru358BR_g

[Chip]

I am a world traveler by profession. I also love to meditate at sunrise and sun gaze.
Just over the past 3 months I have been in Spain, Barbados, St. Martin, Israel, France, Italy. Those just off the top of my head, too lazy to get up right now and check my log book for any I may have missed.
In all my travels I have never seen any second sun.
Cheers

[jiminii]

I wouldn't get too worried about it. there was some work around to put this sun in orbit to balance this twin star system but I can't verify it until I see it. But this is the last run. There won't be a pole shift like they have been leading us to believe. The new sun will be in an orbit and will not cause any problems here. They have been up there trying to decide how do manage this but I am a major player in this game up there. So they want to align the poles with the sun and this twin star thing is suppose to get the vibration rate much higher. Then they are gently, (from my request), going to align the poles with the sun to get the wobble gone and be able to utilize all of he planet. This just my feeling. I have been getting stuff like this on an off. I did make a decision to not make too many changes to the planet so we can keep everything working, rather than go back into cave man era again.

this means when the water comes up we will adjust the planet so the land masses don't sink down.

What everyone doesn't seem to get is this. We can make this go anyway we want and that includes how we want the planet to end up looking like when all the adjustments are made.

we can sink the oceans or whatever to keep the place somewhat stable.

I can decide this. But it is much more powerful if we start taking responsibility for it as if WE are the NEW GODS, (basically we really are but you have to stop pretending your a meat body animal and start making decisions of what you want and start getting the idea of what it would be like to manage galaxies. Just start getting the idea of BEING THAT.

I can't prove this, I just have to wait it out through the rest of this year and see where it goes.

hope this helps

jim

[araucaria]

This photo was taken on the Gold Coast in Queensland,Australia around the middle of June 2013 at dawn.What puzzles me is the reflection on the ocean of the 2nd sun (?).

Without the reflection I would just right off the smaller sun type object as some kind of camera lens flare.

I'd be interested in the opinions of people regarding this photo.

Cheers,Cheyne
That reflection is the most dubious thing in the picture, and neatly placed in an elliptical red lens flare. If you look closely, it is placed over the water, whereas the sun's reflections let the waves show through. Also the cloud cover over the reflection does not match the cloud cover over the reflected object.

[ruthy]

what i thought would be an open and educated discussion was KO'd by Jim into the world of wtf.

Ok everyone, let's agree to disagree, I still love you all anyways :cool:

[ruthy]

I agree that image was bogus...and how come the real sun has a long stretched out reflection on the water, and the second one is a perfect orb surrounded by a flare? See now those photos ruin actual real ones. And to people who say they don't see it, well not everyone does, like I said some areas because of their angle get a great view, some don't see anything because it is below their line of view on the horizon. I'm not sure what to think, but I do think that our world as a whole is getting very bizarre, weather, mass die offs, etc....I'm just asking the questions of why?

This photo was taken on the Gold Coast in Queensland,Australia around the middle of June 2013 at dawn.What puzzles me is the reflection on the ocean of the 2nd sun (?).

Without the reflection I would just right off the smaller sun type object as some kind of camera lens flare.

I'd be interested in the opinions of people regarding this photo.

Cheers,Cheyne
That reflection is the most dubious thing in the picture, and neatly placed in an elliptical red lens flare. If you look closely, it is placed over the water, whereas the sun's reflections let the waves show through. Also the cloud cover over the reflection does not match the cloud cover over the reflected object.

[jiminii]

what i thought would be an open and educated discussion was KO'd by Jim into the world of wtf.

Ok everyone, let's agree to disagree, I still love you all anyways :cool:

What's KO'd mean?

I'm actually glad you started this thread. I am just putting in a viewpoint. I would like to add some spiritual input to solutions too.

To give you an idea. There are frozen elephants in Siberia. They've been frozen for millions of years. In order to freeze an Elephant so that it does not decay you would have to freeze the entire elephant in less than 60 seconds. Now there is frozen tropical vegetables in the stomach. So how did this elephant get from a tropical region to siberia and have been frozen in less than 60 seconds?

now they have found frozen apple trees in antartica ... same question?

Well what if one of these powerful spirit beings up there got angry one day for some reason we won't talk about and he just PULLS THE AIR COVER OFF THE PLANET and puts it into minus 270 degree C? then he takes the planet and tosses in a reverse spin and flips it off it's axis? Frozen tropical vegetables in siberia.

this is from the free being tape by LRH. you can believe it or not.

the Sun once rose in the west and now rises in the east.

So this was us, able to toss planets into outer space like baseballs.

If I hadn't have seen this power coming from my self I would probably disbelieve it too. But I have seen this power and it can literally pull a house down on you in an instant with NO RESISTANCE AT ALL.

just wanted to let you all KNOW ... we can be CAUSE OVER ALL OF THIS instead of being EFFECT.

jim

[Sidney]

This is a snippet from the NASA SOHO footage from today. You can go to the website and watch it for yourself.
http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/soho_movie_theater

The dark circular shadow does not move. It is stationary. It is in the same approximate position as what Nasa claims is a piece of "fiber" on the camera lens (which is BS). Here is that shot. And then is this from lasco 3. Make your own judgement call. edit: Sorry I don't know why those images showed up twice.

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[norman]

If the fiber is really on the lens surface, NASA is lying. But, if they say lens when they mean a transparent screen in front of the lens, it's possible.

[Sidney]

Here is the explanation from the horses mouth. :) if that fiber has been there the whole time why is it not visible on every video????

[Sidney]

Note: at the end of this video, there is a clip of what is obviously a lens flare (IMO, placed to discredit the entire video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a8iZiqX84Q

[samvado]

"Second Sun/Planet X sightings on the rise" yeah, right. as well as all kinds of other unfounded b/s.

the words: credulous gullible dupable - come to mind.

none of these videos has ANY foundation is scientifically provable fact. there may be a planet x or brown dwarf, but not for any of the cited reasons.

[Sidney]

"Second Sun/Planet X sightings on the rise" yeah, right. as well as all kinds of other unfounded b/s.

the words: credulous gullible dupable - come to mind.

none of these videos has ANY foundation is scientifically provable fact. there may be a planet x or brown dwarf, but not for any of the cited reasons.

What cited reasons are you referring to? You are right, NOTHING is provable, but then if it was, we would be wasting out time researching this stuff. ps.. IMO, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that is not a piece of dust or whatever/fiber. Talk about gullible. Who you gonna believe NASA? or your eyes. It is common knowledge, that NASA has a history of lies and covers.

[jiminii]

Well what if one of these powerful spirit beings up there got angry one day for some reason we won't talk about and he just PULLS THE AIR COVER OFF THE PLANET and puts it into minus 270 degree C? then he takes the planet and tosses in a reverse spin and flips it off it's axis? Frozen tropical vegetables in siberia.

this is from the free being tape by LRH. you can believe it or not.

we were trained to think like this. And yes it can open up incredible abilities. But in the last few years I have held this viewpoint that I can keep this place stable by myself.

It is like when you are betrayed and all the people who used to talk this upper level stuff are gone. My stable data got damaged. I thought we were going to take this place and then our own organization is infiltrated.

So when all the solar flares were coming here I just somehow knew it would not hit us and they were coming straight for the planet and somehow went around it.

none of their predictions have been coming true. This doesn't mean that it might not happen. It only means that it is possible that all these powers that somehow got turned on are stopping it.

In this body I have this human think. But since I have had so many of my thoughts go in the physical universe I have to trust that.

So I believe in myself and that I can prevent anything like some second sun coming in. I could be wrong. I have no way to prove any of the stuff happened except the starting up of wind in PT, (present time). It startles people but they see it is real.

I also believe there are others here that can do this even if they can not totally know it clearly. So that is the thing I try to do is get us thinking WE CAN DO THIS, and WE CAN MAKE AND KEEP THIS PLANET SAFE.

I know this could be hard for people to have. But if you were in my shoes and all this stuff started accidentally happening to you, you would be thinking nearly the same as I do, (or maybe you would be petrified and afraid of your thoughts).

I think we got this planet handled.

That is my viewpoint.

jim

[Cheyne]

I guess i'm looking for a techy answer.My wife took the photo,so I know it's not bogus.

From a personal perspective,I want to believe the 2nd,smaller image don't exist.I just don't know how to explain that as I haven't got the knowledge to comment on the techy side of things :/

Thanks Ruthy )))

[araucaria]

I guess i'm looking for a techy answer.My wife took the photo,so I know it's not bogus.

From a personal perspective,I want to believe the 2nd,smaller image don't exist.I just don't know how to explain that as I haven't got the knowledge to comment on the techy side of things :/

Thanks Ruthy )))
I wasn't suggesting your pic was photoshopped or anything, just that the second object is optical but not physical. Paul has posted somewhere on Avalon a piece detailing how certain atmospheric conditions create the illusion of a second sun - something like a mirage I guess. I suppose this is producing the reflection, which is hardly visible except for the centre which is also pretty faint.

Edit to add: sun dog, that's the word I was looking for (see posts below)

[skippy]

Here in France, a lot of people, including myself, have seen 2 suns in a row, but it could have been because of the wine...

[Nick Matkin]

Don't forget, even if there were a 'second sun' it would be visible by everyone, everywhere on Earth, now wouldn't it?

Nick

[RMorgan]

Don't forget, even if there were a 'second sun' it would be visible by everyone, everywhere on Earth, now wouldn't it?

Nick

Yeah, I guess.

It seems to me that objects as big as a second sun, if actually real and visible by one person by naked eye, would be visible to all, just the like the moon, the actual sun, venus, etc...

Let´s use some common sense, folks...

If a second sun or rogue planet ever appears in the sky all of us would be able to see it...Well, we would see it if we´re not dead, of course. An object that big would really mess up with gravitational forces all over our solar system an kill us all. This whole idea of a rogue planet/star flying trough the solar system is totally incompatible with life...The gravitational balance of a solar system such as ours is extremely delicate.

Raf.

[Ultima Thule]

This photo was taken on the Gold Coast in Queensland,Australia around the middle of June 2013 at dawn.What puzzles me is the reflection on the ocean of the 2nd sun (?).

Without the reflection I would just right off the smaller sun type object as some kind of camera lens flare.

I'd be interested in the opinions of people regarding this photo.

Cheers,Cheyne

Looks very much like a sun dog to me, I suppose that will be reflected also.

UT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

[CarnageCandy]

This photo was taken on the Gold Coast in Queensland,Australia around the middle of June 2013 at dawn.What puzzles me is the reflection on the ocean of the 2nd sun (?).

Without the reflection I would just right off the smaller sun type object as some kind of camera lens flare.

I'd be interested in the opinions of people regarding this photo.

Cheers,Cheyne

Looks very much like a sun dog to me, I suppose that will be reflected also.

UT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog


ah cool, had never heard of the term Sun Dog. Thanks for the good info. Although i am gutted, i wanted it to be planet X, come to take all the baddies away ;)

[norman]

FEMA region 3 is also the area likely to be most affected by a cyber attack on the financial services and political sectors.

[samvado]

What cited reasons are you referring to? You are right, NOTHING is provable, but then if it was, we would be wasting out time researching this stuff.

the cited reason are -of course- the videos.

and as for "research" THAT word has been strechted a bit in this context.

however, there is SOME, I have listed it here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63224-Twin-companion-brown-dwarf-or-black-hole-not-a-planet.&p=728389#post728389

[ruthy]

I'm sure some of you have seen this video, but for those who haven't...take a look. It's very interesting. And if you've read Sumerian texts, the winged planet...their symbol of the globe or ball with the wings..it makes this video something really really special. You can tell by listening to the conversations of the family in the background as they say oh this is much lower than last night..that this is not a meteor, it was there for days and days. Interesting vid! It was taken this summer around june


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozkVGYSzLpA

[ruthy]

Sorry one more, I've heard also different accounts and seen videos of different people all over the globe saying things like the sun is rising and setting in a different spot, even the Inuits have been for the first time been voicing this, as they are very alarmed since their lives very much revolve on the suns activity. They would notice more than anyone else I believe. Also people are saying that the constellations are in the wrong places. There are photos showing how the sun is angled differently, that the moon is also skewed, and their is tons of photographic evidence online regarding this.

Here is the Inuit interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR7IlDKzd90

[apokalypse]

hey look it's planet x...
http://www.armageddononline.org/images/planet_x_nibiru_2012.jpg

[ruthy]

Ok, one last one that I found. This video shows another object in the sky..the camera pans and the object remains stationary, which as we all know is proof that it is not a lens flare, if it was the "flare" would move as the camera lens moved. But it's stationary..and the reverse polarization of the video is very impressive and thought provoking too.

I honestly don't know what to think, I've seen so much evidence and very very credible ones at that. Some yes I admit are bogus, and its a shame because they discredit the real information out there. I think that there is something out there, and whatever it is I believe that we will find out the truth pretty soon.

BTW saying second sun, shouldn't be taken as something huge the size of the sun...in a lot of the videos the camera has to zoom in many times to see the object in the distance, like the winged sphere video I posted above. To say it would be visible by all people on the planet, nope, I don't believe that is so. I think that it's orbit is below our plane of viewing for much of the planet, that is why there are repeat videos of sightings from the same areas around the globe... like the one at the pole observatory..i think it was the south pole, with their incredible INCREDIBLE video, that left them baffled.

Here is one video showing an extra body in the sky on fox news...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJoexOXhQtw

Here is another winged globe but this time this is seen in Auckland NZ, the previous video I posted was taken in Texas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6mMFqdmlF0

[ruthy]

I just read this article on Wired.com and it struck me as odd. DARPA has now come up with these underwater submersible LARGE containers that they say will hold supplies and weapons and who knows what else, and that these storage containers can last for years and years. I may be going out on a limb, but I had been wondering if the gov't or secret gov't is in knowledge of this planet, have they made any underwater plans? We all know about their underground stations...could this be some way of keeping supplies for the aftertimes? Maybe..maybe not.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/09/hydra-darpa/

There is the link to read it if you like, it's an interesting read regardless as it also talks about underwater drones being utilized which is scary. Sci-fi is becoming real life.

[minkton]

I was told some time ago that Gurdjieff said that there was a large planet in the sky,not the sun, but as large and bright as it, and that it could only be perceived by those on a certain frequency.

[bennycog]

I am sure that the second video of the NZ anomoly was not a star of any sort..
While saying that it is a very interesting video.. I would like to know what it was..
It seemed to be some large meteorite.. I am interested..

I recommend people watch it..

[Nick Matkin]

@Ruthy

First video either lens flare or cloud reflection - loads of weird cloud reflection pictures and photos on web. And no astronomical event is visible from just one small location - unless it happens in the atmosphere like a meteor.

Second video is a vapour trail. I've seen exactly the same given the right atmospheric conditions. Glowing orange by the setting (or rising) sun. You can see it starts very short but as atmospheric conditions change ever so slightly and it becomes a longer vapour trail.

Nick

[minkton]

I guess the idea that something could be visible to some and not others is unpalatable.

The planet is perfectly visible all the time to some, but they arent able to share their reality, they would be disbelieved.

[Nick Matkin]

I guess the idea that something could be visible to some and not others is unpalatable.

The planet is perfectly visible all the time to some, but they aren't able to share their reality, they would be disbelieved.

Not unpalatable, after all, some people can see ghosts/spirits and others cannot.

But how many people can see this planet? Is it a point source (i.e. just a dot of light) like Venus, Mars, etc. Or a visible disk like the moon? Is it in an orbit around the Sun, Earth or Moon?

Something as big as a planet would have detectable effects in the solar system, even if it were invisible. How far away is it? Where did it come from?

Do all who can see it see the same thing which they can independently describe?

On the other hand, perhaps it is as ethereal/interdimensional as a ghost and all the physical parameters I am tying to pin onto it are meaningless...

Nick

[Operator]

I guess the idea that something could be visible to some and not others is unpalatable.

The planet is perfectly visible all the time to some, but they aren't able to share their reality, they would be disbelieved.

Not unpalatable, after all, some people can see ghosts/spirits and others cannot.

But how many people can see this planet? Is it a point source (i.e. just a dot of light) like Venus, Mars, etc. Or a visible disk like the moon? Is it in an orbit around the Sun, Earth or Moon?

Something as big as a planet would have detectable effects in the solar system, even if it were invisible. How far away is it? Where did it come from?

Do all who can see it see the same thing which they can independently describe?

On the other hand, perhaps it is as ethereal/interdimensional as a ghost and all the physical parameters I am tying to pin onto it are meaningless...

Nick

If something is visible near the sun it should change position overtime ... and apparently it doesn't. Biggest red flag for me to
call it a reflection or other optical phenomenon of the sun. If there is a 2nd sun there is no reason for it to be visible next to
our known sun.

[Sunny-side-up]

Yes jiminii I see, understand and feel alot of what you say.

We! Espechialy now in these days can shine through and become more the beings we truely are!
We can make the differences we decide upon, so thats aim HI my friends.

And as to this second Sun/Star/Body subject I feel there is a 'Other Dimension level' to it.
It is there and going to be there, we atmo see it or don't, one moment it is there another it's not as it where!
It's coming into place, fazing in!
And maybe it's us that are causing the faze, we are stronger than our old norm one moment then we lose faze back again.

Thats all try to keep the new stronger FAZE IN together, let our minds expand, let our Souls out of the box, lets all start to glow!

[Snowflower]

I am so glad to have found this thread! There is - something- out there. I have been watching discussion about it on another forum for months. It is there, it is coming closer, it is real. There are also real and verifiable changes in the location of our earth in relation to our sun. The sun simply DOES NOT rise two days early in Greenland for no reason! I have used the lineup with the sun and one of our mountains since I was a little girl (I am now 65) and it HAS changed location in the last ten years. Changes like this - they don't just "happen."

Consider the blue kachina and the red kachina from Hopi legend. Consider that Ison is blue and this - whatever it is - is red. Consider that NASA was taken down JUST in time to avoid having to provide pics of Mars when Ison buzzed the planet. Consider a huge amount of research in ancient times shows a red winged "destroyer," spirals, sky "dragons" way too many to be accidental.

Consider the theft of trillions of dollars from world citizens and ask yourself why? Think about cities buried a mile underground. For what? How much did it cost to build those cities? WHEN will the psychopathic leaders descend to those cities? They didn't build them to leave them empty!

Now, connecting dots further, ask yourself why NOW for the "showdown" between congress and Prez? Why not last year? Why not next year? What benefit to them NOW? My answer - if Americans are so busy just trying to survive due to food riots, no food stamps, gas costing $100 a gallon due to debt ceiling created dollar default - they won't be watching world leaders descend into DUMBS (deep underground military bases.)

And I am pretty sure it is all connected to that red something coming this way, the increase in sinkholes, earthquakes, floods, violent weather, sun craziness, fluff cloud, et al. And when it is all over, yes, I also think the sun will rise again from the west - as our Indian ancestors told us it would when the world was made right again.

And - I hope- the vibrational change in the planet will affect the psychopaths enough that they cannot come up out of their hidey holes and create the slave world they intend.

[Nick Matkin]

The sun simply DOES NOT rise two days early in Greenland for no reason!

As has been said many times before on Project Avalon, the USA is not the only county with telescopes. Thousands of well equipped amateurs in all scientific endeavours are spread across the globe. What they may lack in sophistication, they more than make up for in numbers. They communicate with each other. They have forums and websites. They are not being silenced by any shady, oppressive powers.

Any one of these individuals would love the fame of being the first to report and confirm a new astronomical event or body. So just it's not possible for the Sun/Earth/Moon to act oddly without this being reported - is it? There are books with sun rise/sun set times and tide tables published years in advance. They would be wrong if the Earth's orbit or rotation changed. They are as accurate now as they have always been.

Indeed, "changes like this - they don't just 'happen'".

As for the more frequently reported weird stuff - I suspect it's got more to do with people now having smart-phones to supply the media with pictures and video than of the occurrences increasing. But better ask some geologists or meteorologists for some data here.

Nick

[Snowflower]

Nick, I don't live in Greenland, so why do you suppose I know about the sun rising two days early in 2011 - and since? Because it WAS reported, as referenced above.

[Snowflower]

Also - all the rest of the sightings. They have ALL been reported. Over and over and over and over again. So we post those sightings. We post the references. Then someone posts something that says - oh, it was just a sun dog, or it was a camera flare, or it was photoshopped. And then someone else comes along and says - there are people all over the world with telescopes, why aren't they showing stuff - completely ignoring the posts already presented from many, many people all over the world seeing the same thing. Quite a game. Which is why I am not going to repeat post (endlessly) the video about the fact that the sun is now rising two days earlier in Greenland than it did prior to 2011. It happened. It has been proven. See it or not as you choose, it doesn't change fact.

[Nick Matkin]

Unfortunately reported 'facts' aren't always true. The sun can't behave differently over just one country without it being internationally observed.

I've seen the video; "Inuit People on Pole Shift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HZ_Dvkxi-8)". Is this the reference to which you refer?

If the video was accurately translated, and these people are sincere in what they say, and it's not a hoax, it's still not possible for the Sun or Earth to behave like this without world-wide repercussions. My sun dial would be wrong for a start, as would all these on all the parish churches in the UK and across the world. The dates of the solstices and equinoxes would change. They have not.

This accurately predictable, man-made spectacular from your own country (http://www.rsvlts.com/2013/05/31/manhattanhenge-2013/) rather undermines the possibility of any Earth/Sun changes.

The Sun can't behave differently over Greenland without it behaving differently over the whole Earth.

Nick

[Sidney]

Well IMO, "they" are hiding something. What that something is, is still yet to be proven. See my post here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29825-Sun-Stuff-What-s-up-&p=745178&viewfull=1#post745178

[xidaijena]

I don't like to post anything on topics like this unless I've done my own bit of research and feel strongly that what I'm seeing and hearing is credible.

We've had massive sightings of this extra spacial body since 2010, with the frequency increasing, and the movements of this body becoming trackable.

Have you wondered why the sky is being crisscrossed with so many chem trails? Why they seem to start the chem trails over the part of the sky where the sun is and this extra glowing body? They are definitely trying to block our view. There are some very good videos that show the difference between lens flares and an actual extra entity in the sky. I personally can not remember a day when I could see the sun clearly in a long time. Now there are so many chem trails in mexico, its absurd...and they seem to really increase in coverage around sunset and sunrise.

Here are a couple of videos that I want to share. Hope you all take the time to look these over, again if I didn't find them alarming and important I wouldn't have ever dared to post this. hope all are well and safe tonight, g'night


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQH0kfhJS_0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJiQkKoIeFw

Thank you dear for sharing all these important info. I do really believe in the big change and have already paid much attention on Earth Changes (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=118) and Nibiru (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=179).

This is also the reason that Lifechanyuan & the Second Home (http://lifechanyuan.org) were creared in this age. And I call Lifechanyuan & the Second Home as the Noah's Ark sent from God (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4194&extra=page%3D1).

May more and more kind people can find and board this Ark (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4194&extra=page%3D1).

Peace & Love

Jena (Xidai)