A Brief, but Important Point to the UFO Community

[Freed Fox]

Leaving aside the questionable 'shapeshifting' clips in the beginning, the following video presents a point which resonates strongly with me, in the event that these reports have a factual basis.

I feel it is worth highlighting as there are unfortunately some (even here) who seem to be making the mistake of 'judging books by their covers'. The words of David Icke himself should be strongly considered in this arena, as this is one of his trademark subjects.

A short, but important message to understand if you are interested in these phenomena.

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The video has since been taken down; refer to this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63172-A-Brief-but-Important-Point-to-the-UFO-Community&p=750230&viewfull=1#post750230) for the primary relevant excerpts.

[soleil]

yes this perhaps lines up with the lacerta interviews.

[Gekko]

Thanks Freed. Very little is black and white...

[Maknocktomb]

Another point is that we are all the same. The engine (soul) inside the alien is the same as inside us (human), just that they drive around in a different car. We must also understand that the alien with what we perceive has great technology is not necessarily higher evolved spiritually then you or I.

[Freed Fox]

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[Bill Ryan]

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1) In all probability, all (i.e. 100%) of the examples of so-called 'shapeshifting' shown on YouTube videos are video artifacts.

Every video editor and film-maker is familiar with these. They can occur when exporting edited video (e.g. from Final Cut or iMovie), or when converting from one video format to another. Videos uploaded to YouTube are always processed and/or converted at the YouTube end, to reduce the sometimes very high quality raw file so it can be streamed. I would bet a large amount that the YouTube videos showing the artifacts did NOT have these in the original uploaded formats.

In fact, you can see that in one segment of the video shown above (at about 1:30), the man's jacket was also 'shapeshifting' in the same way:

http://projectavalon.net/video_artifacts.jpg


2) Re benevolent reptilians, the following story was told to me personally by Barbara Lamb (http://barbaralambmft.com/) (who counsels 'experiencers'). I met her by chance in a coffee shop at a conference we were both attending, and we got talking. She was a delightful person, very easy to talk to. I asked her if she had ever had any 'experiences' worth recounting.

To my amazement, she told me she had had a hands-on encounter with a reptilian. It had manifested physically and 100% solidly in her bedroom, and it held her hand, in silence, while the two of them just looked at one another. She said the entire incident must have lasted just two minutes (but I bet they were very long minutes).

The being did not speak, but communicated with her telepathically. The very clear message that she received was that not all reptilians were hostile, and that this being had been bred (I remember Barbara used that word) specifically to make contact with certain humans to give them that particular message. Barbara told me that at no point did she feel alarmed or intimidated -- which in itself would seem to be quite something.

[soleil]

bill, can you point out any videos that show true shapeshifting? like politicians or celebrities? or are those basically in the same boat of what you are saying?

[Freed Fox]

Bill, I agree entirely RE: 'shapeshifting' being in actuality video artifacts. Those have never struck me as convincing at all. That's why I mentioned that I was 'leaving aside' that so-called 'evidence' in favor of highlighting the more important message which is presented later in the video.

Also, I recall reading Barbara's account previously in a different thread, but thanks all the same for bringing it up here.

[Bill Ryan]

bill, can you point out any videos that show true shapeshifting? like politicians or celebrities? or are those basically in the same boat of what you are saying?

I don't know of any videos that show 'the real thing'. But readers might find this story interesting:

A couple of years ago I had reported to me (second hand) the following account from a CIA agent who used to work directly in the White House with George Bush senior.

This man described how he had twice personally seen Bush Snr change into reptilian form, and that he needed human blood transfusions to keep his human form when on television. (When meeting him in person, this was not so necessary as there was a kind of mind control/hypnosis involved which convinced those meeting him that this was a human body.)

This sounds incredible, outlandish, and easily dismissed. But the agent in question was extremely freaked out and talked to my friend for many hours (all night, in fact) about this experience, and many others.

My friend, in turn, had never heard of the whole reptilian issue... until later.

No proof: but more circumstantial evidence, that (God help us) just might be true.

[Atlas]

It is often referred to Bush senior's "snake" eyes on the web :

http://antimatrix.org/Convert/Books/ZioNazi_Quotes/img/Bush_reptilian_eyes.jpg

But let's not forget that snakes' eyes have different shapes :

http://www.dinosoria.com/serpents/oeils-serpents.jpg

[Delight]

This sounds incredible, outlandish, and easily dismissed. But the agent in question was extremely freaked out and talked to my friend for many hours (all night, in fact) about this experience, and many others.

My friend, in turn, had never heard of the whole reptilian issue...

I have a close acquaintance "Jane" who has met a Reptilian posing in human form. Jane is a college graduate and is well read and clear speaking. She is quiet and does not try to get attention by telling big tales. In north Georgia USA, there is a school that opened in the 80's for "spiritual research" and healing education called Delphi. This small school has attracted people from all over the world.

Jane met a young man in the 90's here because of the school. They became close friends. At one point, my friend saw him morph into a reptilian. He was very unhappy that she had seen him in this form. At the time, Jane's friend acknowledged he was "here" because there are reptilians of varied agendas involved in human society. He claimed he represents a group that is supportive to humans.

This incident occurred before 1994 when David Icke and others began publicizing the issue.

I know this source and because of Jane's character, I am inclined to trust that morphing occurs and that "rascism" against reptilians (predjudice for a whole race) is something to question. Maggie

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Thank you Freed Fox for this thoughtful piece.

It would be wise to discern anything that is posted on you tube, anybody from anywhere can post and the scources are un knowns.

Most of the phenomena we see as Bill pointed out is what tv post productionists call " Chroma Tearing " which comes from reducing format clarity down to lower grades for video compression formats. You will also see the frames kind of split and seem to morph. In every frame of analogue or digital media ( except for film formats ) there are two fields , sometimes these fields , which is a front and back layer of the same frame , will unlock out of phase and make strange patterns. This usually happens in the duplication process where the formats or machinery used were either not compattible or not properly set up.

If i may give a difinitive explanation of Snakes once and for all. In my experiences of interdimentionalism i have found over a series of many experiences a common strain when you ask for an encounter or summon a particular race or type of being. The way that they travel to you can be either as Materialisation through a portal which is a seies of spiral circles , then the " Avatar " of it will materialise before your third eye and at that stage you have the opportunity to " Nod " or give permission to connect , the " Avatar " , which is a representation holographically of said being , will " merge " with your density and at that stage you are connected.

Where snakes come in is that portals or travel tunnels often look like snakes. They will wiggle and turn as they make their way towards you.. most will have a type of mouth that looks much like the mouth of a mole for want of a better description. This is merely a transport device to bring you the informaion or connection you summoned. the cylinder or snake like tube is the most efficient transportal device unless you are dealing with transdimentionalists who can summon and appear without having to space travel to you via a portal.

I hope this helps : )

PS in the video presentation you see a myriad of snakes in one of the pictures of all different types.This is merely depicting the myriad of different races and knowledge bases avail to you out there.

In all shamanic and myan ,inca cultures the snake represents " information " or " Learning " often referrred to as " wisdom " its a transport decive for information and connection.

Naniu
" densities " .

[mahalall]

With acceptance one can begin to smile and even learn to hug the hostile elements of serpents perception.

In all the forms that the presence and influence of the naga/serpent has it's the intriguing stimulating influence of decaying uranium elements-gamma/alpha particles influence on visual perceptual-cognitive effect to open ones view beyond the construct. Only last week after an x-ray my charming dentist took on an altogether new reptilian appearance(dared not to tell her) Not meaning to drift from the thread but have been speculating of late that if gamma and alpha elements can have such an influence on perceptual temporal lobe activity-is the active dispersal through-nuclear-solar-fracking contributing to a medium that enriches their presence.

[Freed Fox]

Two great quotes from two excellent people;



There are different kinds of Reptilians (just as there are different kinds of Humans -- Caucasian, Black, Amerindians, Mongoloid, etc) -- coming from different cultures and traditions. And there must surely be individual differences, too.

Casual use of the term can inadvertently lead to a kind of 'ET Racism':
"All Blacks are like this."
"All Mexicans are like that."
"All Reptilians are like such-and-such."
The broad-brush term 'REPTILIANS' may be what is unhelpful.




ALL BEINGS ARE CONSCIOUSNESS.... and as such can accept love, peace and expansion. The reptilians are a varied race, as are we humans. There is a royal race of reptilians that have the appearance of crocodiles. I have met one of them protecting one of earth's human angels, another friend of the highest order.

I wish everyone here could get on the same page as these two! I love Avalon, but I despise prejudice. I can forgive people who have fallen into the bigotry trap, but only if they are able to see their error and stop spreading blind hatred. The points raised in the quotes above make much more objective, logical sense than the short-sighted, fear-mongering, wholly negative outlook.

[Molly]

Where snakes come in is that portals or travel tunnels often look like snakes. They will wiggle and turn as they make their way towards you.. most will have a type of mouth that looks much like the mouth of a mole for want of a better description. This is merely a transport device to bring you the informaion or connection you summoned. the cylinder or snake like tube is the most efficient transportal device unless you are dealing with transdimentionalists who can summon and appear without having to space travel to you via a portal.

I hope this helps : )

PS in the video presentation you see a myriad of snakes in one of the pictures of all different types.This is merely depicting the myriad of different races and knowledge bases avail to you out there.

In all shamanic and myan ,inca cultures the snake represents " information " or " Learning " often referrred to as " wisdom " its a transport decive for information and connection.

Naniu
" densities " .

Yeah see i want to know more about that. I am sometimes visited (very rarely, but it happens) & that's what i see him come through, light portals.. it's opened in lucid states & i saw the portal open once in real life with 4 witnesses around me but on that instance we saw no being come through, just the portal open. He wears the face of a man whom i know of in real life, i've even met the guy in real life, gave him a hug, but i don't think it's him.. i think he uses his face for some reason i am unsure of. He started showing up after I had a miscarriage & almost died. It was traumatic for me so i kind of contemplated maybe a part of my mind had snapped & sort of invented him as like an imaginary friend until he started showing me things in the future some time & also telling me who was out to be cruel to me & be weary of & it turned out he was right. then when the light portal opened in front of a group of people then i knew i hadn't just been making it all up in my head. He definitely gives off a very strange vibe & some times i will even feel a bit of an energetic drain after he leaves but it ends up being for a reason. I guess it is because they aren't supposed to interfere with us, but he has stepped in for me more than once. I do not believe he is a horrible being out to hurt anyone. I would love to know where he comes from & why he has helped.

[Molly]

I just thought out of nowhere.. what if he had been there when i was about to die to harvest my energy or something, maybe i was supposed to die & he is not good & is waiting around.. see I can't think of this too much! it makes me paranoid lol. Ugh :confused:

[Agape]

When times go crazy ...



Repressive reputation of repugnant reptilian

Redeeming regressive rhetorics

Republican ( ( and democrat ) that was a mistake ) , representative of Republic Reptilian , li'l Rex XR108 reposted reprimands to Responsible Reptilian Repository regarding repeated resilience of retarded , retired representatives repenting their reputation .
Repressive repentance reportedly rested on reputable desks ( repdesks ) for required reproach ,
reposing as reappearing reprimand .

Re poignant representatives , respected and repaired retards , regardless reprimands remained un revised .
Republic thus remained un repaired, reposing as recommended retrograde regime .

Repenting li'l Rex reopened repository , rarely regulated , raging and roaring like Rexes were raised ,
reclaiming rights to run the Royal Rolls-Royce . Revenge to Republic , rapped li'l reptilian ,
rain now oh rain , rain the rare rate of carrots , car rates , carats, rats&cats,
redeem the renegades , restore the rest .

Rolls-Royce ran rapidly raping the roads, respects no respect, regardless rhetorical reviews .

Republic reloaded repressive reins , repointed representatives , relapsed and collapsed .

Rex roared and recruited renewed renegades , replotting revenge . Reps resist, repent, repercussions are not your real representation , roared Rex .

Repatriate Rex, repugnant renegades remanded . Riot and rest .

Retired representatives of republic regretted their repressions and recalled Rex , reinstated rest and rest ruled .. reprisals and reposts were redeemed and republic repaired .

Rest li'l Rex . RIP.


:bathbaby:



P.S. Relates to friends and persons who are not part of this forum and its reputable membership. Repenting errors.

[wobbegong]

Another point is that we are all the same. The engine (soul) inside the alien is the same as inside us (human), just that they drive around in a different car. We must also understand that the alien with what we perceive has great technology is not necessarily higher evolved spiritually then you or I.
Good thread, thanks everybody.
I totally agree, and the soul or spirit ('Knowledge') inside is not worried about our shape.
I recently found this passage in a new book:

If you were to gather into your visual view members of your own Spiritual Heritage, they would represent quite an assortment of characters in many different forms, yet you would feel towards them like you would your own child, your dearest friend, your greatest comrade. This is Knowledge without limitation. It is not concerned with the form of things. It is concerned with the correctness and the content of things.
(Secret 271 of Secrets of Heaven http://newmessage.org/nmfg/Secrets_of_Heaven.html )

[MaroonLagoon]

Good points about the possibility of prejudice and ET racism, when I think about this I sometimes doubt the friendly ones would want to make appearances to people who would either be terrified of them or think they should all be exterminated or anything like that, at least I wouldn't if I were them. I think if someone has had traumatic experience with a type or species then obviously that colors your perception of them in a certain way and I personally would never expect someone who has to want anything to do with them, I think there has to be respect for that. Aside from that, I have heard of experiences with reptilians and greys which were friendly or non-hostile (those are just the 2 types I hear about most as being the "bad guys"). We keep having all sorts of opportunities on this planet to react with or without biases like racism or homophobia and things like (those are just the ones that come to my mind) that and I'm sure the same opportunities exist out there for us too. There are groups of humans that are or have been mislead about each other in big ways intentionally sometimes and sometimes just through lack of experience getting to know each other. It's really important to be discerning and erring on the side of caution is important too, just like when dealing with other humans but assuming things we don't know for sure can do damage too. What if there's good reptilians out there for example who, or people out there who think or know they are or have some connection to friendly ones who would like to be able to discuss it but, they might hold off when they hear some of the stuff that gets said and the perceptions that are out there. I know that if tomorrow I had a traumatic experience with another species then I would probably change my tone real fast because of my experience and that's totally understandable. Same thing with humans though. The type of humans who have hurt me or scared me the worst are the ones I'm the most leary of, it just happens but it doesn't mean we're all evil people, maybe the same is true for all the other species. I really want to see us overcome prejudice and bias behaviors against people who are different than one another on this planet and if we could I think it would be a huge help to us once we're ready to possibly start some interacting with a lot of these other groups. I hope this is on topic because I can't see the original video anymore so I'm going off off the rest of the posts. I would just hate to see us becoming ready to venture out and meet a bunch of new races someday sooner or later with a bunch of preconceived notions that we formed. I know we don't have much to go on for now and is why we probably should be cautious but yah, I think assuming things isn't the greatest thing either.

[Freed Fox]

I hope this is on topic because I can't see the original video anymore so I'm going off off the rest of the posts. [...]

It is, and thank you for pointing that out. Due to the video in the OP being no longer functional, I'll share the two quotes from David Icke that were therein, which I feel should be considered (as he is the most frequently cited individual in regards to this particular issue);


I don’t want to demonize the entire reptilian race, because it’s just a genetic stream in the great forever. I’m talking about a small number of this reptilian race that is behind the manipulation, not the race in general. Indeed, many of the reptilian stream both in physical bodies and in other dimensions are working now to help humanity win their freedom… to win our freedom back.

And from his book, Human Race Get Off Your Knees;


These entities who are manipulating and controlling the reality on this planet are actually what can be thought of as outcasts of the reptilian race.

You brought up a good point Maroon, about negative experiences coloring opinions and outlooks, and further giving rise to prejudice. I hope my stance does not come off as insensitive to those who have actually had such negative experiences themselves. I'm not making the case that those have never occurred. However, though I have sympathy for them, and that particular angle does make prejudice somewhat understandable, it is nevertheless wrong to harbor such generalized negativity. It may be a greater obstacle for such an individual to realize, but it does not change the fact that you cannot judge any species on the actions of a few (or even a few hundred, or thousand).

[Freed Fox]

In every group there exists a broad spectrum.

My evidence: the human race. The only civilized species which we can observe on a large scale, more intimately than with mere anecdotes/theories.

I know there are benevolent beings which could be seen as fitting the description of 'reptilian'; a term which more likely than not refers to many different species (some named examples would include 'Dracos', 'ciakars', etc). There is no solid refutation of the idea that each (or at least many) of these species are of similar diversity as human beings in terms of character, disposition, motivation, and intention. Even if every individual encountered by abductees and/or contactees behave in the same or similar manner, it does not preclude the probability that there is diversity among them elsewhere.

A villager in Iraq most likely only encounters Americans in the form of military personnel. Are they truly representative of all Americans? Absolutely not. Would there be enough generally negative encounters with these people for them to conclude (albeit falsely) that all Americans think and act in the same fashion? Probably, yes.

I am with David Icke in that, provided certain accounts are true, they are likely a renegade/criminal faction, and not indicative of species-wide behaviors.

I simply ask that people here add qualifiers such as 'the negative ones', when discussing those with what appear to be malevolent intent.

Do you think the current military-industrial complex would represent the rest of us with compassion or consideration, were they to discover an alien civilization? Do you think they would earn us a good reputation?

Would you want those unfortunate aliens to at least try to give the rest of the human race the benefit of the doubt?

It would be a reasonable and compassionate thing to do.

[kirolak]

Just a passing comment - I was asked once what I "had against the oviparous". Nothing, consciously - it made me reflect on deep prejudices. . . the only time I met a "reptilian" , he shook my hand in both of his & sent me waves of something positive & embracing. He reminded me of a chameleon (creatures I love & respect) although I came up to no more than his "waist".

[STR]

I believe many judge the unseen environment based on one viewing of one facet of the many various layers if you will and it really is a multi layered universe. I haven't spoken much of this until recently in this and other forums but I think I will now. I was aided to understand that the next level up from ours, in that fourth dimensional and higher layer if you will, even above that where these things apparently come in from, it is akin to any major city in the USA in that like a big city with much diversity there are great areas of town, super people, super food, great shopping, relative safety and so on, but if you don't watch and take a wrong turn you can end up in a bad spot right? No different next level up. As above so below. There are great places and some really scary ones.

I think also that part of adjusting to this education as one blooms into awareness is waking to the temporary nature of this physical human experience. These are shells, simple tools for the experience because you are much more than human. You are much more than this shell. You have had this shell in other forms, in other gardens and each one seemed ever real for each time just as now. Its not. You, are a light being of awareness and have to rise to a point that you realize as those that have separated from their body do that you are capable of a whole new and wonderous perspective of life if you can wipe some of the programming that has shut off these mechanisms within you, and reformat the disc as a figure of speech you will discover that this world has many layers also.

You are not just human. Human is the experience, the shell experience. From here, attached to the body, it seems sinister and evil but honestly we must realize in time we are no different than those so called sinister reptilians that many see as outsiders or invaders, slave owners and more.Let me tell you something no one wants to open to.

We all likely have soul contracts between various members of our own families. We share and alternate experiences with these loved beings we have worked out these arrangements with. These share back and forth in the energy delights of this garden and much enjoyment is gained both in entertainment and in taking part in the experiences to be sure things map out as wanted and also as protective lights while at the same time gaining energies from the exchange. At times these various aware light beings share the same body walking in and out at various contractual points within the life of the organic shell. From the stand point of the ego and waking here little is seen or recognized consciously but if one is awake it can be discerned quite easily when a body receives a walk in and the spirit in there leaves.

These relationships exist in many ways here, and not just in extreme cases like with those in treatment centers. It just makes the point that in the true sense of the word you would not recognize yourself if you saw yourself in the mirror with amnesia the way you have it once within the shell. For all you know in your real 'residual self image' maybe you look like a lizard! How would you know you are not a reptilian fourth dimensional being yourself here having a legitimate organic human experience? For that matter if you saw that in your house how would you know it is not one of the members of your own family having an out of body experience? Perhaps all of you look that way when out of the body because its your natural appearance.

Any conscious life awareness can have a sanctioned experience in the garden just like you. Others may be some other species, but each attached to a body shell of their own outward design and reflection, not foreign, not invading but welcomed experiencers here having the same ups and downs, the same stresses and feelings and wondering what the frick is going on with amnesia just like you because it goes with the territory of this physical experience! For others being punished for something by a higher authority their experience may be harsh, may seem unfair to those witnessing it from here but it is how life is for them for whatever reason mostly to do with their own doing. Like all of us we come here for the experience. Once you separate from the body shell you won't behave any differently than any of the other scavengers of this garden or you will be helped and assisted by those of your family and maintain your end of an agreement with someone still here only you will then be on the other side for your part of the agreement.

[Pilote Tempête]

Dogmatic skepticism is obviously irrational, but there is irrationality also on the believer side as seen in the belief that all ETs are B9, the belief in extra dimensions n reincarnation n that unpleasant truth is fear-mongering, seeing racism or something similar where it isn't (which is ubiquitous nowadays), n misanthropy (which is quite common among believers). Also, it is ironic since racism may have been invented by ETs. And if B9 ETs were a majority, the minority would have been defeated long ago. By contrast, prejudice n bigotry against UFO believers, abductees, n witnesses, which is institutionalized, is very real n very serious. And David Icke is not exactly a relaible, reputable, nor respected source. So I respectfully disagree.

[Freed Fox]

[...]but there is irrationality also on the believer side as seen in the belief that all ETs are B9,

At no point did I suggest that they are ALL benign.


And if B9 ETs were a majority, the minority would have been defeated long ago.

By that logic, you must not believe that the majority of the human race is benign, since there is still to this day murder, theft, and rape in virtually every country across the globe. If we can't quell malevolence among human beings living on one single planet, why on Earth would you believe that any space-faring race would be able to keep tabs on every individual of its species? We have many rogue groups here; extremists, crime syndicates, insurgents, etc, not to mention the various theories of breakaway civilizations which are largely a mystery. It is unrealistic to presume one could exercise total control over their entire population even when confined to a single planet, by and large. It is even more unrealistic to believe it to be possible when a species begins to extend beyond its home planet's borders.

It is entirely possible that they have equivalents to pirates, brigands, or indeed a breakaway civilization of their own which they might not even be aware of, this far from their home star system. Even if they were aware, they might have more pressing issues to attend to of their own to expend the time and resources necessary in order to track the rogues and prevent their activities.


And David Icke is not exactly a relaible, reputable, nor respected source.

Many here would strongly disagree, including (from many of his remarks in the past) Bill Ryan. Speaking of Bill, he has made several comments on this issue which echo David Icke's sentiments closely. Would you suggest that he too is unreliable, or not respected?

[Pilote Tempête]

Freed Fox,

I never said you believe all ETs r B9, but there are some people who do believe it, such as Steven Greer n the like.

It's in no way the majority of humans who commit serious crimes, n the crime syndicates, extremists, n insurgents are together a minority n are for the most part the creations of secret societies, which were created n r guided n controlled by ETs.

And Mr. Ryan certainly is not in the same category as David Icke.