Extinct animals & a Real Neanderthal emerge from Little Ghost Forest in the Netherlands

[Debra]

THIS IS OUT THERE!

I just posted this on Up at the Ranch but believe it deserves it's own thread.

Would like to hear what others think and any updates you may have come across.

THANKS



Little Ghost Forest. The Netherlands. NOW

This is a most curious story and one that cannot be hidden ... it is OUT. I really urge people to follow this up.

Something really incredible is happening in a forest in the Netherlands - and it is being claimed that authorities, scientists and the military cannot contain what is happening. Extinct animals are pouring out of the Little Ghost forest and those which have been caught and examined have no internal organs.

And it gets even more interesting because another entity has emerged as well, which James Horak believes is a Neanderthal, after viewing a photograph below/which was posted to Horak's website.

Authorities, it is bring claimed, have locked down the entire forest but luckily an intrepid, independent investigative team was fortuitously close by to cover the event from the beginning - at great risk too. Mainstream media has since stopped reporting on it altogether but the information is already out. It is a story that was first picked up by the late Kevin Smith, just before he died a couple of weeks ago.

In this interview on Blog Talk Radio, Lasha Seniuk speaks with investigator Captain Robert McDonald (who resides near the forest) and also James Horak.

What is happening here? Speculations from portals opening to a Cern blunder to the return of the Nazi Bell are all discussed. Good show folks.

It is all happening!

Interview can be heard here:
http://emvsinfo.blogspot.de/2013/09/lasha-seniuk-with-rob-mcdonald-james.html

http://www.om-page.de/Media/Images/Credit_Rob_McDonald.jpg

[Realeyes]

Thanks Zebra for posting this, I have not heard about this.

I cannot get the link you supply directing me to the Kevin Smith interview about this most curious story. Could you please post another link? This would be most appreciated.

I have found the below link on Youtube that is a continuation on the Kevin Smith interview, that I am just about to listen to now.

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[Debra]

Hi Realeyes,

You require access to the Kevin Smith Show archives - unfortunately. I did not listen to it myself but I will be enquiring further.

http://www.kevinsmithshow.com/

For what it is worth, this latest interview pretty much covers the whole scenario from the beginning, including Kevin Smith's involvement in breaking the story.
It is tragic and ironic that he died so soon after.

Zebra

[Corncrake]

This reminds me of the strange happenings at the Skinwalker Ranch about which there have been various threads on Avalon.

http://skinwalkerranch.org/

[Debra]

Kevin Smith wrote on his facebook wall (August 7) about the interview he had just conducted with Capt Robert McDonald:



''Following tonight's show 7-AUG-2013, Robert McDonald was cut off Skype as we were talking. It took several minutes to get him back online, and he read me a msg he was sent during the last 15 min of the show. The msg was from a name well known in American government (former) and said only this: "Stop your action."

While he was reading this to me and telling me about when he got the msg, he also reported to me that a drone was flying low over his house.

Don't know what to make of this. The events we were talking about are all reported in Dutch news papers, and if there is anything at all about this story that is classified, we do not even know that. So far as Robert and I know, there is nothing about the story that is classified. So, it seems very odd, to say the least, that he would be getting this type of interference. Just wanted you to know about the conversation I had with Robert McDonald after the show.''


ON AUGUST 8, he followed up with this post:


''Since last night's show, lots of people in the area around where Robert McDonald lives have reported drones flying low over their homes headed toward the forest. This was reported in the newspaper in Netherlands. While the show was being broadcast, a guy walked into the newspaper office, paid them 8,000 euros to print a story about the wolves migrating to Holland--apparently to rebut the show. We also have a report that since we did the show last night, the story has been picked up by a newspaper in the U.K. In Dutch newspapers are also reporting quotes from local people saying they have seen very tall gray people walking in the forest. Fotos of footprints were run in the papers.

Large busses of military personnel and others are arriving according to reports this morning.

*This is based on my conversation with Robert McDonald this morning.''

[Debra]

Here is a link from a Dutch newspaper (http://www.rtvoost.nl/nieuws/default.aspx?nid=166743) that reported the finding of the wolf that was first found, knocked over by a car I believe. This event marked the beginning of this turn of events.

The wolf is from an extinct species. And when autopsied a beaver was found in it's stomach - also an from extinct species - not been seen for a couple of hundred years!

This particular wolf however, did have it's organs intact -- unlike the others that have emerged, with no internal organs.

http://img.rtvoost.nl/T3/140798.jpg.ashx?width=320&height=180&bgcolor=fafbfd

Best use google translator to translate the newspaper article.

[Sidney]

This type of story fascinates me. I did a quick search on the internet and found absolutely nothing about this. Seems, they did a good job of squelching that fire. I can't find access to that interview anywhere. Darn

[witchy1]

The picture is the art work of Patricia Piccinini -in particular "the young family" http://coilhouse.net/2008/11/patricia-piccininis-human-animals/ that is pictured above. I am sure you will have your own comments on her work. An easy search to see her amazing talent - these are just a few of her creations that are regularly exhibited
Her website and how they are made: http://www.patriciapiccinini.net/

http://images.coilhouse.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/pp2.jpg http://taitegallery.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/patricia-piccinini-796453-300x188.jpg (http://www.zimbio.com/go/FldjHX6LKnm/http://taitegallery.net/2010/05/patricia-piccinini.html/patricia-piccinini-796453)http://taitegallery.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/maymun-kiz3-299x300.jpg (http://www.zimbio.com/go/19-ofVZUePU/http://taitegallery.net/2010/05/patricia-piccinini.html/maymun-kiz3)http://taitegallery.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/maymun-kiz2-204x300.jpg (http://www.zimbio.com/go/u7qvMitRXSm/http://taitegallery.net/2010/05/patricia-piccinini.html/maymun-kiz2)
http://taitegallery.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/sculptures_by_patricia_piccinini_10-300x240.jpg (http://www.zimbio.com/go/KhZTHMMEPbr/http://taitegallery.net/2010/05/patricia-piccinini.html/sculptures_by_patricia_piccinini_10). http://i.imgur.com/1UF8w.jpg

[Flash]

Here is a link from a Dutch newspaper (http://www.rtvoost.nl/nieuws/default.aspx?nid=166743) that reported the finding of the wolf that was first found, knocked over by a car I believe. This event marked the beginning of this turn of events.

The wolf is from an extinct species. And when autopsied a beaver was found in it's stomach - also an from extinct species - not been seen for a couple of hundred years!

This particular wolf however, did have it's organs intact -- unlike the others that have emerged, with no internal organs.

http://img.rtvoost.nl/T3/140798.jpg.ashx?width=320&height=180&bgcolor=fafbfd

Best use google translator to translate the newspaper article.

Those who wrote the article have no idea how big a beaver is. It is about 2/3 the size of a wolf. No way it could be in a wolf stomach, only pieces of it, no more.

http://www.charactersunlimitedinc.com/images/animals/beaver_wolf.jpg

[Debra]

I remember seeing that artist Witchy1- Thanks for this.

However, the one in the OP does look a little more like the real thing IMO (and who knows with special effects)

Apparently though, more photos are to be released, according to the interview, which show the face as well.

[Debra]

[QUOTE=Flash;728724]
Those who wrote the article have no idea how big a beaver is. It is about 2/3 the size of a wolf. No way it could be in a wolf stomach, only pieces of it, no more.

I doubt a whole beaver was consumed in one go either - they could have meant just Beaver (parts thereof) ;)

[witchy1]

"However, the one in the OP does look a little more like the real thing IMO (and who knows with special effects)"
Here you go Zebra, is this one better (or closer to the OP) The same web site I would opine... http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tags/patriciapiccinini/interesting/

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/102/276317252_bcf242aa26.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flow_stuff/276317252/) http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gif (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flow_stuff/276317252/)

[Debra]

Yup, looking at the feet and toes, it does look to be the same Witchy. Under two different lighting states, one certainly does look more real than the other on exhibition in the photos you have posted.

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gif

But, I do believe there is much more to this account that has been told through Kevin Smith, McDonald, Horak and others. Listen to the interview, search it for yourself.

I would be disappointed if this photo ended up burying what could possibly be an explosive story.

[samvado]

This type of story fascinates me. I did a quick search on the internet and found absolutely nothing about this. Seems, they did a good job of squelching that fire. I can't find access to that interview anywhere. Darn


http://www.noz.de/deutschland-welt/niedersachsen/artikel/1266/09-now-derwolfisttot

put the picture URL into google picture search and it will return a couple of papers that run the story, but only talk about a wolf, nothing supernatural.

[Skywizard]

The picture is the art work of Patricia Piccinini -in particular "the young family" http://coilhouse.net/2008/11/patricia-piccininis-human-animals/ that is pictured above. I am sure you will have your own comments on her work. An easy search to see her amazing talent - these are just a few of her creations that are regularly exhibited
Her website and how they are made: http://www.patriciapiccinini.net/

I like your post witchie1. We have to remember this is the internet (myself included).

skywizard

[Realeyes]

Thanks Witchy1, I knew I had seen that image before but just couldn't recall where.

I am halfway through listening to the interview, they mention the 'dragon' that washed up on a Spanish beach.

This whole story/thread although sounding most phenomenal 'could' be going down an elaborate dead end rabbit hole - I will keep an open mind, yet showing someone's artwork as one of the 'farmer's' photos is very suspicious. Also, as you will hear on the clip below, someone is saying the 'dragon' is actually the skeleton of a shark........

I would like to know if there is a PA member that lives near this ghost forest and seen all these so called white military tents that have supposedly sprung up, and also the strange vibrations mentioned coming from these tents, as well as the sonic booms, the large bell that was removed then suddenly disappeared while on route etc and the latest news that the surrounding area is being evacuated.

Is there any truth in any of this story????? Or just something to keep the alternative community amused and looking the other way ignoring/missing the real target focus of importance?


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[Debra]

The picture is the art work of Patricia Piccinini -in particular "the young family" http://coilhouse.net/2008/11/patricia-piccininis-human-animals/ that is pictured above. I am sure you will have your own comments on her work. An easy search to see her amazing talent - these are just a few of her creations that are regularly exhibited
Her website and how they are made: http://www.patriciapiccinini.net/


Hi Witchy1,

I don't understand what you mean by this:
I am sure you will have your own comments on her work.

Can you please explain.

Many Thanks.

Zebra

[apokalypse]

some of the pic is hard to see...wish there's hide tag to hide the pic.

[Debra]

some of the pic is hard to see...wish there's hide tag to hide the pic.

Hey apokalypse, mind explaining more what you mean.

Thanks :confused:

[Lifebringer]

Remember about a month ago, there was a cloud video of a winged creature flying in an out of the clouds?

I wonder if it had a tail also. Sparse hair patches on the being. Did the Neanderthal have a tail? I mean I've never seen one like this depicted, and I'm avid on the human anatomy through med courses.

[Flash]

Remember about a month ago, there was a cloud video of a winged creature flying in an out of the clouds?

I wonder if it had a tail also. Sparse hair patches on the being. Did the Neanderthal have a tail? I mean I've never seen one like this depicted, and I'm avid on the human anatomy through med courses.

Life bringer, this picture of the being with a tail here in is the TOTAL FABRICATION of an artist imagination, as mention in some posts above. No sparse hair and tail in reality, no pictures of any bizarre being has been presented yet.

Showing a picture from the imagination of an artist within an article on bizarrre beings will make people think that the beings are presented through the picture. That is how confusion and half truth/lies shows up.

So please, Lifebringer and other, do not let yourself be carried away by half lies and half truth. Nothing has been presented yet except for a dead wolf along the road, who had all its organs.

Personally, I do doubt very much that story - the beaver found in the wolf betrayed it. Beaver is the national animal here, we are used to see them, and they usually do not find themselves into wolfs stomachs. Furthermore, there is no more beavers in Dutchland - so...

THis is a case of wait and see.... until proven true, it is a doubtful story.


Edit: Hatemachine, from the Netherlands, corrected me on a pm telling me that beavers had been reintroduced in the Netherlands in the 80's and that the wolf had parts of the beaver (not the whole of it).
Also that it is Netherlands and not Dutchland. The latter was a tease from me (I should avoid such tease, being in an international forum and having the potential for being misunderstood).

[ghostrider]

this is all part of the time slip we are experiencing , causing headaches , heavy energy , two timelines are merging ... causing problems with each other ... the animals without organs are prepped for space flight , ET is making sure if we blow up the world , the moons of jupiter will have some animals from earth's past and present preserving the experiment ... We are seeing things that shouldn't be here , and things that we should see are gone, THE STARS , it goes back to the time travel the ptb are involved in , they have opened a portal that they cannot close ...

[Realeyes]

Okay...., I have just finished listening to the whole radio interview that had Robert McDonald and James Horak discussing this strange event occurring in a Netherlands forest. I wanted to give an update now that I have listened to the entire interview to give justice to this thread.

Robert McDonald claims to be a 'fact' researcher person, rather than someone that deals with E.T. and other types of phenomena that is hard to explain; for instance, he had never heard of Ley Lines when his team sent him a Skype text that someone had written in claiming this particular forest had a ley line running right through it. Robert claims to have a large team of investigators dotted around the world who work with him on such investigations, one of them an ex NASA employee and I think he also said another scientist on his team.

Robert claims to live just 5 kilometers away from this forest and is in touch with locals living on the doorstep of the forest - this is part of his neighbourhood so he is very familiar with everyone. In regards to the 'Neanderthal type creature', he was told this (did not witnesses this personally) by a farmer, who said there was more photos to follow. (I will come back to this Neanderthal topic in a short while.) I think Robert said he heard the loud sonic booms that happened midday and then the sky completely blacked. Also he had heard the technology the military have switched on that is suppose to make any animal in the forest want to leave - and this noise is most uncomfortable to the local residents ears too.

Robert says he was there on site during a night stake-out with a few of his team, hiding waiting to see what the military were about to remove from inside the forest. He said he personally witnessed military remove what looked like a large bell and had taken photos of it - curiouser even still, that it distinctly looked like the missing Natzi Bell (?!?). I just want to reiterate, he said he was there in person witnessing the Bell being removed rather than this being a hearsay from someone else.

Robert also mentions seeing all the white tents (that the military said was for planting trees - yeah right) and the various types of military craft that have been coming and going landing at this site, it has been very busy with activity. He also mentioned after the loud sonic booms, that occurred midday, the sky blacked out - this was prior to the 'Bell' being discovered.

Since speaking about this on the Kevin Smith Show he has received numerous threats and someone is interfering with his computer and internet connections and making life unpleasant for him.

Robert said he had been told by locals and also some military personnel he had spoken to, that 27 different extinct species had been found on and around the site. He also said much of this has been publicised by Dutch newspapers.

As to the 'Dragon' that was washed up on the Spanish coast, Robert had been there when this event occurred with his team investigating this. He states that samples were taken and that 8 different countries would be checking out it's DNA - so far, there is no DNA that matches it, so he claims.

Okay, so getting back to the Neanderthal image that turns out to be someone's artwork that Witchy1 rightly noted and pointed out. 'A photo' was mentioned on the interview and that this photo could be found on some Ghost Hunter website (I have no clue which one). Now when Robert and James were talking about 'the photo', were they actually talking about this artwork photo, or has this since be inserted to discredit the whole story? I am just wondering, as something like this would make many people listening get suspicious and instantly switch off concluding the whole story as a hoax. James Horak seems an intelligent person, I am surprised if he has fallen for this, yet do understand we all get caught out once in a while with egg on our face.

I do not know anything about this Robert, yet I listened carefully to what he had to say, and he is either an excellent liar and story teller, or totally believes what he is witnessing physically in the area around this forest. He mentioned that he investigates and passes on news to other media outlets - If true.....it doesn't make sense that he would wreck his career talking about military, tents, technology, extinct animals, witnessing the Bell removal etc. AND it is interesting that so little of this can be found on the internet, usually if something has been published in newspapers there is a trail to go down and research - strange that there is next to nothing - even discussions claiming it is is a hoax.

So for me, I will be keeping an open mind on this, as there is a possibility that tptb are trying to keep this story under wraps and maybe adding an unrelated photo of someone's artwork in the mix to throw us all off the scent - just a thought.

Does anyone have personal contact with James Horak, if so, can you please send him the photo in the 1st post and see if this 'actually is' the photo they were discussing on the interview or something entirely different? I believe this would be most useful to know.

Also, just to finish off this post, James and Robert also discussed briefly other areas around the world that are also having strange or extinct creatures just mysteriously turning up - so the OP story may be even more curious and bigger - who knows, time will tell. Anyone who has read the Montauk books or listened to other military black opp whistle-blowers will be aware that Time Travel has been secretly explored for many decades.

Please keep us posted on any updates Zebra. :thumb:

[Debra]

Remember about a month ago, there was a cloud video of a winged creature flying in an out of the clouds?

I wonder if it had a tail also. Sparse hair patches on the being. Did the Neanderthal have a tail? I mean I've never seen one like this depicted, and I'm avid on the human anatomy through med courses.

Life bringer, this picture of the being with a tail here in is the TOTAL FABRICATION of an artist imagination, as mention in some posts above. No sparse hair and tail in reality, no pictures of any bizarre being has been presented yet.

Showing a picture from the imagination of an artist within an article on bizarrre beings will make people think that the beings are presented through the picture. That is how confusion and half truth/lies shows up.

So please, Lifebringer and other, do not let yourself be carried away by half lies and half truth. Nothing has been presented yet except for a dead wolf along the road, who had all its organs.

Personally, I do doubt very much that story - the beaver found in the wolf betrayed it. Beaver is the national animal here, we are used to see them, and they usually do not find themselves into wolfs stomachs. Furthermore, there is no more beavers in Dutchland - so...

THis is a case of wait and see.... until proven true, it is a doubtful story.


Flash, you are clearly an intelligent person. But I do get disappointed when members decide to really try and toast a thread and make absolutely no comment on the interview itself. Did you actually listen to it in full? Or listen at all??

Yes, the photo now puts great suspicion on the whole story but this thread also questions much more.

I held a lot of respect for Kevin Smith and his style of investigation (when he was alive, may he rest in peace) and he was no fool, make no mistake about that. And for him to pick up this story and run with it, I don't believe it should be sniffed at.

I really ask you to not throw mud at this whole thread.

But I guess you have already.

This is a side of Avalon that I abhor.

Sad really.

[Gemeos]

Pia Knudsen, from Exopolitics Denmark, has met Robert McDonald and wrote an article about him and his claims.

Read it and you'll be elucidated about him - http://copenhagenufo-research.blogspot.pt/

I wonder what Kevin Smith saw in him? :confused:

[Debra]

Realeyes - thank you for that excellent review.

The photo was actually carried on James' website ... if you click on the link of the OP (I corrected it, by the way)

I agree with you, time will tell.

As for Captain Robert McDonald, he was first interviewed by Kevin Smith a few years ago - after he claimed an encounter with a UFO off the coast of Spain. Prior to this encounter, the topic of UFOs had never hit his radar, he said. He was actually sailing in a specially made Viking replica ship on its maiden voyage with a crew of teenagers - it was project to raise funds for some charity. The boat had been constructed with paddle pop sticks donated by thousands of primary school children. The encounter with this UFO was another incredible story - and what followed was equally fascinating. Not surprisingly, his life was turned upside down from that point.

I was very taken by the truth in his voice during this early interview - and he has copped a lot of criticism too since this time but like Kevin Smith, I am pretty convinced this man has integrity. You never know but yes, this case must stay open to see what else lies beyond. You bet ;)

I just tried to raise the interview on You Tube because it was there for a while. So if anyone knows where we can get it, it is worth listening to as well.

Best wishes
Debra

[Debra]

Pia Knudsen, from Exopolitics Denmark, has met Robert McDonald and wrote an article about him and his claims.

Read it and you'll be elucidated about him - http://copenhagenufo-research.blogspot.pt/

I wonder what Kevin Smith saw in him? :confused:


Gemeos,

Perhaps this exchange between Kevin Smith and Pia Knudsen about Capt Robert McDonald might give you some idea. It occurred around the interview about this case we are talking about. It appeared on Kevin's facebook page:

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Pia Knudsen I am really puzzled that you again invite this fraud, hoaxter and notorious liar Robert McDonald to your programme, that is clearly not what you stated a year ago in our email Exchange: http://copenhagenufo-research.blogspot.dk/

Copenhagen UFO Research
copenhagenufo-research.blogspot.com
ufo research
9 August at 08:10 · Like

Pia Knudsen shame on you Kevin Smith
9 August at 08:13 · Like

Kevin Smith Pia... shame on you. You say he is a fraud, and on your say so we are supposed to just stop listening to everything he says. You are not god and so far as I know, he didn't die and make you the judge of all the rest of us. My show does not promote a guest or his statements. My show presents them and opens them to questioning. You stand out there and throw rocks at a true freedom of speech show and did not have the guts to call in and question him. He reported on what was in the Dutch news, and I verified it was in the Dutch news. Nothing fraudulent there. The fraud, so far as I can see, is you wanting freedom of speech for yourself and demanding I deny it to someone else. Shame on you Pia.
9 August at 11:06 · Like · 2

Kevin Smith Further, when your original accusations came out, I said he would not be on the show again until he explained this situation. He did. You have provided no evidence, no proof, nothing other than your own accusations. I don't shut down free speech like so much of this genre does. But, anytime you gather up the guts to do so, feel free to call in to the show and question the guests.
9 August at 11:09 · Like · 2

Pia Knudsen I have plenty of guts, that is why I wrote my blog to expose his lies. I was not listening live to the program (I live in europe) someone mentioned that you again had him on your show, and that says alot about your lack of truthseeking. As with all notorious liars they mix and match truth with lies. I have first hand experience with him, staying at the same farm house for a week during a conference in Bergen, so keep god out of it. `Fool you once shame on him, fool you twice shame on you, Kevin Smith´
9 August at 16:53 · Like · 1

Kevin Smith All we have is your article with accusations which he answered on air shortly after you article was published. Whatever your issues with him, they are yours. They have absolutely no bearing on whether he was reporting to us accurately what was in the Dutch newspapers. I checked what he claimed was in the Dutch news prior to the show and he was correct. Your personal issues are yours. They are of no interest to me or the show. Now, if you have evidence he lied about what was in the Dutch newspapers, bring it on. Otherwise, this is a tempest in a teacup. Your opinion of me is also inconsequential. My years of work in this genre stand on their own.

[Flash]

Remember about a month ago, there was a cloud video of a winged creature flying in an out of the clouds?

I wonder if it had a tail also. Sparse hair patches on the being. Did the Neanderthal have a tail? I mean I've never seen one like this depicted, and I'm avid on the human anatomy through med courses.

Life bringer, this picture of the being with a tail here in is the TOTAL FABRICATION of an artist imagination, as mention in some posts above. No sparse hair and tail in reality, no pictures of any bizarre being has been presented yet.

Showing a picture from the imagination of an artist within an article on bizarrre beings will make people think that the beings are presented through the picture. That is how confusion and half truth/lies shows up.

So please, Lifebringer and other, do not let yourself be carried away by half lies and half truth. Nothing has been presented yet except for a dead wolf along the road, who had all its organs.

Personally, I do doubt very much that story - the beaver found in the wolf betrayed it. Beaver is the national animal here, we are used to see them, and they usually do not find themselves into wolfs stomachs. Furthermore, there is no more beavers in Dutchland - so...

THis is a case of wait and see.... until proven true, it is a doubtful story.


Flash, you are clearly an intelligent person. But I do get disappointed when members decide to really try and toast a thread and make absolutely no comment on the interview itself. Did you actually listen to it in full? Or listen at all??

Yes, the photo now puts great suspicion on the whole story but this thread also questions much more.

I held a lot of respect for Kevin Smith and his style of investigation (when he was alive, may he rest in peace) and he was no fool, make no mistake about that. And for him to pick up this story and run with it, I don't believe it should be sniffed at.

I really ask you to not throw mud at this whole thread.

But I guess you have already.

This is a side of Avalon that I abhor.

Sad really.

I do get disappointed when member think I would comment on a thread without having read it or listened to the video. Of course I did read and listen, hence my comments.

It disappoints me still more when I read such comments below:


Zebra: I really ask you to not throw mud at this whole thread.

But I guess you have already.

This is a side of Avalon that I abhor.


Being judged and classified, with Avalon by the way, for things I have not done. The one who says "this is it, it is the way your are" is, in my opinion, doing much injustice to its own thread. It is not by getting attacks on a personal basis that the thread will go anywhere.

This part from my post should have been read too


Flash: THis is a case of wait and see.... until proven true, it is a doubtful story

So, I am waiting for more info before potentially changing my actual opinion, It cannot be clearer can it? Yet, it does not mean that I dismiss the whole thing.

In fact, the sad loss of Kevin Smith himself is an indicator that something may be brewing underneath. To me, such death at some suspicious times/research is an indicator to push me to look further.

Therefore, I remain open.

But please, do not mix in ARTISTIC INPUT and ARTIST LIBERTIES into something that should be quite factual. This confuses everyone. (I am not saying you did it Zebra, I am saying the the reporter you took it from did it without telling the source of the picture).

So yes, I am waiting for more facts. This is one case of "I will keep an eye open for potential informational links elsewhere". You may be surprised, I may be the one ressuscitating your thread in a year from now if I find some more information.

[Debra]

Thank you for your response Flash.

This is why I opened the thread to find out more. And I have no problem with you correcting another member's understanding about the context of this picture.

And yes, I think there is a great deal more to find out.

Best wishes,
Debra

[Realeyes]

I too really liked listening to Kevin Smith interviews (sadly only the ones that appeared on Youtube); I always found his questions very articulate, mindful and mind expansive and useful to his listeners to think bigger outside the box. I will miss his astute mind.

Thank you Zebra for posting Kevin's reply to Pia's blog statements, I much appreciate this, as when I read Pia's blog on the link given by Gemeous, well it left me somewhat aghast..... 'in the minds of others' can often be quite a surprise seeing how it is deemed from the other shoe.

Also thanks for your previous post with explanation about Robert - it jogged my memory, I remember now the viking ship made of lolly pop sticks 'event'; I just don't remember names too well. In that old interview Robert sounded pretty genuine and back then too, as well as shell-shocked as to what had happened - what an event that was!

Is anyone in contact with James Horak to let him know the truth of where that photo originates from? I believe this would be useful as it would nip it in the bud to rectify the 'mis-take' quickly, (that is quite possibly a 'plant' intended to derail the whole event) and stop others being mislead (believer/non-believer).


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I don't often post on PA and had forgotten how fiery discussions can get at times; the written word is not the greatest communicator, I constantly remind myself of this - if we were all face to face it would be so different. :hug:

I do hope this discussion continues with balanced neutral mind-fulness in all directions into greater expansions of thought and possibilities. I have found all the links and pointers mentioned on this thread useful to read to see it from different angles, this is healthy to do and all part of researching, something that PA members are always very good at. I just sense (and Kevin Smith did too) that this is not the end to this very curious story, it's only just skimming the surface I personally suspect. :wink:

[Debra]

Hi Realeyes :)

Regarding letting James Horak know well, Actually, someone has in the last hour jumped on a thread on James page on Facebook to let him know .. Saying that Project Avalon did the leg work for him LOL.

I will be keen to find out what James and others in his circle say. I need to go to bed now so will find out later where this goes.

Thank you for giving me some great reading today Realeyes and that goes to everyone else too.

Never a dull moment around here

Cheers and zzzzzzzzzzz

[Gemeos]

Does anyone have the reports on the Dutch Newspapers?
I would love to see them.

And I have to say that Pia is a personal friend of mine (not an internet friend. I mean on the real world) and is a well respect member of the European Exopolitics Network (Portugal, Spain, UK, Germany, Finland, Denmark - Exopolitics Europe (http://www.exopoliticseurope.eu)). Also, she has plenty of witnesses for what happened in Bergen.

[Flash]

I corrected my post #21 thanks to Hatemachine explanations on a pm.

[Debra]

Does anyone have the reports on the Dutch Newspapers?
I would love to see them.

Hi there Gemeos,

I found if you click on the link from the post to the dutch report that I included in Post #6 of this thread and take the URL link and put it into google translator, which I have done for you here: http://translate.google.se/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtvoost.nl%2Fnieuws%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fnid%3D166743&act=url
(http://translate.google.se/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtvoost.nl%2Fnieuws%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fnid%3D166743&act=url) This english translation page throws up a number of related articles on the topic of the wolf.

What interested me when I listened to the interview with Capt Robert McDonald and James Horak was the information that both wolf and beaver (found in the stomach of the wolf) apparently came from extinct species of both wolf and beaver respectively.

What does that say?

That, I have to say, is what has piqued my interest. Not just that all there is available is a dead wolf with organs and parts of a beaver in its stomach.

When you go to this translated link, as you can see from the number of related newspaper articles on the subject (that follow the article) there has been DNA testing done on both the wolf and the beaver by a university.

My question is why? Especially with the knowledge that wolves could likely be wandering into the Netherlands along the green belts. Is this normal practice? And all the fuss made.

Also, media did pick it up but then all roads have been closed, so to speak. And for a window of time it seemed that a lot of people were talking openly about it, including the university, from what I am able to gather from the translation - all this *official* and *documented/reported* attention implies (to me anyway) that something strange is going on here.

Love to know what you think.

I messaged Hatemachines who apparently is from the Netherlands as Flash has written in her post earlier. I wanted to know if he knew of the forest that the case is happening in, also what the dutch translation for Little Ghost Forest is … but I did find it in one of these articles - it is called Luttelgeest, which interestingly translates as 'trifling spirit'

One thing that crossed my mind, and which Flash has already mentioned, is the fact that Kevin Smith died soon after this story broke. I found it a little suspicious myself.

A Good enough reason indeed to keep this open.

Thanks for prompting me Gemeos.

In respect to this thoughtline ..



And I have to say that Pia is a personal friend of mine (not an internet friend. I mean on the real world) and is a well respect member of the European Exopolitics Network (Portugal, Spain, UK, Germany, Finland, Denmark - Exopolitics Europe (http://www.exopoliticseurope.eu)). Also, she has plenty of witnesses for what happened in Bergen.

It sure does add another layer and I certainly hope it's not a planned distraction. That's all I am going to say.

Giovanni says the story sounds like something out of the X Files - I said, spot on. I am even expecting the Cigarette Man to pop up in this one ;)

Cheers, Z

[GaelVictor]

Zebra requested, since i live in the Netherlands, if i could find any facts on the matter of the OP. Here are facts and an explanation of how information became somewhat distorted on the way to the maker of that video.

A wolf was found dead alongside a road in the town of Luttelgeest in north Netherland on 4th juli, which caused arousal because the last wild wolf died in the south of the Netherlands in 1887.
Was the wolf back or was this maybe a dog that closely resembled one?
Investigations followed and the animal was taken to research center Naturalis; soon it became clear this was a young female wolf of 2/3 years and her DNA matched that of populations in eastern Europe, the Carpatian mountains to be specific..
It's skull had cracks consistent with a hit by a car, which was deadly, and the stomach contained some meat from a (normal) beaver which are abundant in the Netherlands. Wolf poulations in Germany and France have been rapidly increasing and it is expected they wil soon form packs in Netherland too, however this one came from a little further away, but the distance is quite normal for a young wolf looking for a new territory.

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About the distortion; when you translate Luttelgeest litterally into english you get Luttelghost and with some more imaginativities; little ghost. The meaning of Luttelgeest contains a reference to the sandy plain that once was part of a castle and it's grounds there in the year 1379. At another castle nearby in the year 1406 the dauchter of the lord of Kuinre drowned at a flood, she came back to haunt the castle as a ghost, the lord was driven to near insanity and sold the castle.
There have been no sightings of her or any other ghost since.

There are no reports about ghosts, strange or extinct animals, with or without intestines, army trucks, men in white overalls, etc. at all. If anything was awkward in any way we would know about this almost immediately.
Netherland is too small for UFO's to land and go about their business in shady little forests :p

No i'm afraid this little interesting story is just a production of someone's overcreative mind; a fantasy, but an intruiging one nontheless.

[Debra]

Zebra requested, since i live in the Netherlands, if i could find any facts on the matter of the OP. Here are facts and an explanation of how information became somewhat distorted on the way to the maker of that video.

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There are no reports about ghosts, strange or extinct animals, with or without intestines, army trucks, men in white overalls, etc. at all. If anything was awkward in any way we would know about this almost immediately.
Netherland is too small for UFO's to land and go about their business in shady little forests :p

No i'm afraid this little interesting story is just a production of someone's overcreative mind; a fantasy, but an intruiging one nontheless.

Thank you kindly Hatemachines. It is odd though that a female would be wandering apart from a pack, or maybe female wolves are dispersers too.

I am still open to whatever unfolds in this story - Somehow, I don't think the full story has been reported through mainstream.

Is this area of the Netherlands rural? I know that Amsterdam and environs is intensely populated.

Again, thank you kindly. It certainly explains - one good reason - why the wolf was tested for DNA.

Cheers :)

[ghostrider]

the story is in the papers everyday in the netherlands ... but everywhere else it is squashed ... lucky for us Mr. Mcdonald lives there or we would know about it ... the military is taking all cameras and not letting people in the woods ...

[GaelVictor]

Is this area of the Netherlands rural? I know that Amsterdam and environs is intensely populated.

The area is considered rural (for one of the most densely populated countries in the world, 450 ppl per square kilometer), by our standards. Australians or Canadians for instance would find that statement ridiculous as the area is riddled with towns and farms. Again if there are dodgy things going on with men in white spacesuits it would be on Twitter, Facebook, local media etc. in minutes.

[GaelVictor]

the story is in the papers everyday in the netherlands ... but everywhere else it is squashed ... lucky for us Mr. Mcdonald lives there or we would know about it ... the military is taking all cameras and not letting people in the woods ...

That is a lot of lies in 1 sentence, these guys in the video talk a lot of BS and get their facts wrong, make stuff up and use anything to build up their fantastic story. Either someone needs to make money or someone has a mental problem.

Discernment people, use it!

[samvado]

That is a lot of lies in 1 sentence, these guys in the video talk a lot of BS and get their facts wrong, make stuff up and use anything to build up their fantastic story. Either someone needs to make money or someone has a mental problem.

Discernment people, use it!


I second that !!!!

As I said above (and showed in the link) some German papers picked up the story too, there is no mention of a beaver, but the DNA of the wolf is checked because (and that seems a regular practise these days) they can track his ancestry that way. The biologsts are wondering if its a specific wolf that was seen before and in particular if it originated in Poland.

All the rest of the story seems 100% b/s to me, knowing the area a bit (used to go to A'dam on a regular basis from Hamburg) there is NO WAY this scenario would not be reported wide & far on fb and twitter!!!

[Debra]

I hate to throw the baby out with the bath water.

In the last 24 hours I have witnessed some dodgy action on the Internet and particularly so called *new material * that sets out to discredit any sliver of truth emerging.

Intentional or not, I refer to the photo that has been exposed on this thread and even also other planted material in recent days that deserve its own thread.

Back to topic.

Sorry, but anyone who immediately heaps on the accusation of bull**** about claims that are emerging - in point about this curious case in the Netherlands - are jumping on some bandwagon that I do not want to get onto. I appreciate facts coming to light, I really do. But it is so easy to be dismissive based on one fact that has been proven - and simply because mainstream or social media has not been reactive to this story - then to declare the case dead When since has Avalon backed down because mainstream is not reporting ????

In my opionion, I think .. That the PTB are pretty devious in setting us up to attack each other and also that they have had the inside intelligence to be 5 steps ahead of average joes in this quest. My spidey senses (thanks Whitefeather for this term you often use ) are reacting big time. I believe that we cannot afford to be so dismissive and gallivant in our responses without asking ourselves why we trust some sources and not others.

I want proof, irrefutable truth as much as anyone but when it comes down to sources, I want to be transparent and be clear about why I do not so easily dismiss claims as they come in - irrespective of how outrageous they may seem.

This case in the Netherlands might indeed be the new Roswell or Travis Walton or whatever ..but it has occurred to me that everytime that folk cannot get their brains around what is possible - they believe a cover up is equally not possible!

Yet how often have we heard about the precision and brilliance of *cleaners* and mind control - en masse too - and just plain money to shut people up and close them down?

What I like about some folk in this community are those who stand up and say I was wrong. Because the truth is more important. But like I have said earlier, flaming a proffered piece of evidence because it is discovered to be a hoax (the photo in question on this thread) does not mean the WHOLE story is bull****.

My question is: why ? Why, when we know that strange and beyond strange events exist? Why do some go back to the safety and Pollyanna way of meat and three potatoes thinking and judging?

FFS, we are supposed to be showing the way into the light on here but here I see a prime case being ridiculed. In effect, shut down.

Not good enough .. if I was to follow this pattern of convenient denial, well I cannot look at myself in the mirror in the morning as I brush my teeth.

i questioned James Horak on this photo because I know him to be be a good man and not shy to give an answer. See, what I like about James Horak is his transparency snd his heart. I just listened to this interview with Horak by Robert Stanley and I smiled knowing that my senses are not wrong. Horak addresses the photo of course and outs it snd puts it where it belongs. The rest of the interview is well worth listening to as well. The dialogue between Horak and Stanley reminds me that we do ourselves a disservice by dismissing particulars that just lie on the surface.

My credo is to ask who is The source? What do I know about them? Also, how do I feel when I tap into their energy? And, if I don't trust them? Why? Also, What is that saying about me?

It is the game of discernment but when there is a hot lead happening too-in this case, one that had the full backing of Kevin Smith as well, who tragically died so soon after this event broke - surely we need to lay down the sides here and give it our support. Not divide. The alternative community I think needs a good hiding! We must be so careful not to do harm to others. Otherwise, we are doing their job for them and they are loving it.

**** that!

There are some great people on here. I am reaching out to you right now.

Back to topic .. For your discernment, James begins addressing the hoax photo at 1 hour 06 on the interview following here :

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Let!s stick together - please!!!










That is a lot of lies in 1 sentence, these guys in the video talk a lot of BS and get their facts wrong, make stuff up and use anything to build up their fantastic story. Either someone needs to make money or someone has a mental problem.

Discernment people, use it!


I second that !!!!

As I said above (and showed in the link) some German papers picked up the story too, there is no mention of a beaver, but the DNA of the wolf is checked because (and that seems a regular practise these days) they can track his ancestry that way. The biologsts are wondering if its a specific wolf that was seen before and in particular if it originated in Poland.

All the rest of the story seems 100% b/s to me, knowing the area a bit (used to go to A'dam on a regular basis from Hamburg) there is NO WAY this scenario would not be reported wide & far on fb and twitter!!!

[RunningDeer]

Hi Zebra,

I'm going through the thread again and see my post doesn't fit here. It's a fascinating thread.

Paula