Heart Disease? How much Fish Oil should you take? How about NONE!

[foreverfan]

I have diabetes and heart disease. I dumped my fish oil this recommendation in 2010 and haven't missed it. I have been following Peskin for years now and this seems to be taking root in the medical industry. This real science goes against everything you know. It literally may save your life since Peskin says Fish Oil is the number 1 reason for skin cancer.

Bad for heart disease.
Bad for diabetics.
Bad for cancer.

Why would you want to take it again? Here is the other side of the science.
Based on this, why would you ever want to take Fish Oil?

Why is there so much info telling you to take Fish Oil?
"Finance is masquerading as Science" - Brian Peskin
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From www.BrianPeskin.com - He states...

My recommendations are now mainstream...

I have been advocating discontinuing fish oil supplementation in favor of a biologically appropriate ratio of Omega-6 to Omega-3 for years. I have spent many years in the wilderness making my argument in print and at medical conferences around the world. Successfully withstanding continual attacks by those blindly defending the status quo, I am happy to report the changing of the status quo as it relates to fish oil and heart health.

Remember, May 2013 as the time when the medical establishment embraced one of my fundamental discoveries. Specifically, the discarding of fish oil for heart health. First reported in the New England Journal of Medicine, a very large well-done study in Italy showed that fish oil was completely ineffective in preventing heart disease for a very large group of high risk patients. Soon after, Dr. Eric Topol, renowned cardiologist from Scripps Health (La Jolla, California) and editor-in-chief of Medscape, recommended discontinuing all fish oil supplementation for the prevention of heart disease. It doesn't get any more main stream than Dr. Topol, so I gladly accept the designation of an advocate for a rational, now mainstream approach for combating heart disease.

Peskin Protocol Parent Essential Oils (PEOs)

I am often asked how my EFA recommendations differ from others. The answer is simple but very significant. The term "Essential Fatty Acids" is misused so frequently that I was compelled to coin a new phrase, Parent Essential Oils (PEOs). For scientific proof of the correctness of my PEO recommendations from the American Heart Association and others in 2009/2008, click here (http://brianpeskin.com/BP.com/reports/PEO-Info.pdf). This is life-science you need to know.


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[Shannow]

Had an interesting discussion with a medico many many years ago about dietary oils, which cemented my views, and I think medical science is slowly starting to wake up. BTW, it was his refusal to acknowledge the basics of organic hydrocarbon chemistry as being incongruous with the claims being made in medicine that cemented my views, not that I agreed with him, nor him with me.

First part was the saturated versus unsaturated. Saturated means that every carbon/hydrogen/oxygen etc. has a fully functioning bond to other atoms withing the molecule. Unsaturated means that some of the bonds are more shaky double and triple bonds, polyunsaturated means many of these unsaturated bonds exist. Unsaturated means that there are more weak spots that can be attacked by radicals, oxygen etc.

Discussion went along the following direction.
"Butter is bad ?'
"Yes, it's saturated fat"
"But being saturated, means that it's oxidatively stable, and doesn't undergo chemical change readily. When I hold it in my hand, it melts. So if it's liquid at body temperature, and doesn't readily oxidise (see Indian cooking ghee stored in the pantry), how is that leading to arthereosclorosis ?"
"It's saturated, and all of the studies show saturated is bad"

"Vegetable oils good ?" (note, that there aren't any "vegetable oils", they are seed/nut typically, and olives are fruit etc. No "carrot oil")
"Yes, they are of vegetable origin, unsaturated, and good".
"What happens when they are exposed to oxygen, heat and catalysts ?"
"Not sure of your line of questioning"
"They make linoleum by taking healthy linseed oil, exposing it to oxygen and a metallic oxide catalyst, and it polymerises into a rubber/plastic, that you can walk on for decades, won't melt in my hand. When I work on a car and have exposed metal, I spray it with linseed oil or fish oil to have the same effect making a polymer barrier to protect the metal, that can be sanded and painted over. Vegetable oil bottles in the pantry go "gummy" around the top through the same mechanism. Is it possible that this plastic is what's causing arthereosclerosis ?"
"The studies don't indicate that"

At that point, I chose to ditch vegetable oils, unless they are "non drying", olive coconut, grapeseed etc. and stick to butter for breakfast, sandwiches etc.

[Bubu]

Hoooo, I been consuming fish oil, have forgotten that it is mainstream promoted.

Thanks

[conk]

Dr. Robert Rowen, fantastic natural MD and author of The Second Opinion Newsletter, also says to avoid marine oils. There are more and more unbiased studies supporting the idea of getting our fatty acids from plant material.

[sheme]

I think you are ok with Rat fish oil, but it is very expensive.

Serrapeptase is supposed to be latest wonder medication a natural enzyme that acts on scar tissue and dead matter in the body.

www.serrapeptase.info

[Mike]

depends on the *brand* of fish oil, of course. the quality. to just make a blanket statement that all fish oil is unhealthy is sort of like saying all aliens are bad.

I've been using fish oil for a long time, 'Nordic Naturals' brand, and from my very first dose my brain fog lifted. it's worked wonderfully for me.

I know there are a few holistic docs that are off it now (some I really respect too, like dr mercola) but I learned long ago to make decisions based on my personal experience of something, rather than what someone is saying about it, regardless of their credentials.

and this applies to many supplements too, not just fish oil. if you do your research, you'll inevitably find a balance of for and against, including professionals you trust. however, it all comes down to just trying the stuff. a tip: whenever i'm unsure about a supplement, I make sure to find a reputable company that offers a 30 day refund policy. this way you've got nothing to lose.

but i'll go to my grave saying fish oil, particularly the 'Carlson' or 'Nordic Naturals' brands, are great health supplements...regardless of what I hear or read. I take the stuff! I know it works! mainstream promotion or not!

[onawah]

I think RAW, organic butter is great, as are coconut and Krill oil, which I've been taking for awhile now.
I also blend a tablespoon of sprouted flax and Chia seeds into my morning smoothie every AM.
Coconut and Krill oils feel much cleaner to me than regular fish oil.
I used to take Nordic Naturals, and it gave me fishy burps. :sick:
But different body types react differently to different things, and that always has to be kept in mind when it comes to diet. :nod:

[PurpleLama]

I am a big fan of Weston Price. Here is the company that provides the foods (http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/ButterCodLiverBlend/index.cfm) he promoted, and at Paul's recommendation I found the cinnamon tingle flavor to be quite tasty.

[Mike]

I think RAW, organic butter is great, as are coconut and Krill oil, which I've been taking for awhile now.
I also blend a tablespoon of sprouted flax and Chia seeds into my morning smoothie every AM.
Coconut and Krill oils feel much cleaner to me than regular fish oil.
I used to take Nordic Naturals, and it gave me fishy burps. :sick:
But different body types react differently to different things, and that always has to be kept in mind when it comes to diet. :nod:


i'm with ya Nat. i just recently called the farmer i got raw butter from a couple years back, but the number was out of order (which sucked). as far as i know, he's the only game in town.

in a perfect world, i'd love to have raw butter on a daily basis. coconut oil is supposedly a close second (according to Aajonus Vonderplanitz and a few others) but it makes me sluggish somehow. i tried krill, but it didn't offer the same mental clarity as the fish oil. it's as you say: different body types react differently to different stuff.

see, you gotta get the lemon-flavored fish oil. the lemony burps are almost pleasant;)

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I am a big fan of Weston Price. Here is the company that provides the foods (http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/ButterCodLiverBlend/index.cfm) he promoted, and at Paul's recommendation I found the cinnamon tingle flavor to be quite tasty.


sh!t, ive never heard of such a product (butter oil/cod liver oil). and ive been around, let me tell you!;)

cool stuff.

[luapskie]

Try Jim Humble's MMS for hearth disease, I made my uncle in Kelowna Canada take it and he made a remarkable recovery. MMS can be very helpful with many disease and illness modern medicine has no proper treatments for, like aids, cancer, ms, malaria, Parkinson, Alzheimer and many more....
MMS can also used for a complete body cleansing as it will kill all pathogens, it will neutralize poisons (perfect after snake bites) , it oxidizes almost all heavy metals (even mercury) use it for 3 weeks and you will be like new. Check out Jim's website at www.jimhumble.biz

[conk]

From Dr. Robert Rowen, a very trustworthy man. Much respect to him and his info.

Most Controversial Stance I've Ever Taken?

As you may know, medicine is every bit an art as it
is a science. Doctors do their best to help their patients
and “cause no harm” in the process. But doctors can be
wrong. Even alternative doctors can be wrong. And, yes,
even I can be wrong.
I’ve admitted my wrongs openly in these pages.
Several months ago, in fact, I admitted that my longheld
disgust of the PSA test for prostate cancer was misguided.
I said for years that men didn’t need to have a
PSA test because they’re worthless. Then I learned
there was a legitimate use as an inflammation marker
for the test.
Well, this month, I’m going to share another about
face I’ve made in recent months. This one may shock
you, as it goes against all of the medical dogma you’ve
heard. In fact, this dogma is so ingrained in medicine
that alternative and conventional doctors alike accept it.
Yes, I’m going against what many of my alternativeminded
colleagues (including me) have believed for years.
So what is this major change that I’m suggesting?
It’s the belief that fish oils are the best source of omega-
3 fatty acids for your body. After you read the evidence,
you may even question whether you should be taking
fish oils at all.
Supplement sellers actively push fish, marine, and
krill (a type of shrimp) oil. So, when I suggest that we
need another fresh look, I can understand the hesitation
people have in easing up on fish oil. With this report, I
won’t bring you my beliefs. I’ll bring you the unprecedented
findings from an ongoing study conducted by
Professor Brian Peskin. He is a leading physiologic EFA
expert using plant-based, unheated, chemicallyunprocessed, and unoxidized fatty acids. These are fully
physiologically functional parent essential oils, which he
terms “PEOs” (short for “Parent Essential Oils”).
Professor Peskin’s research started in the cancer
field, based on the groundbreaking discoveries of Nobel
Prize-winner Otto Warburg, MD, PhD, which I’ve written
about in past issues (see my website for details).
Professor Peskin has advanced Warburg’s work.
He’s discovered that amazingly, there is a fundamental
cancer/heart disease connection. I’ll show you this new
science and share the discovery that can help prevent
America’s #1 cause of death — cardiovascular disease.
Professor Peskin graduated from MIT, one of the
world’s leading institutes of science. He was not trained
in the medical field. But sometimes, it takes a gifted person
from outside the box to uncover what those within
the box just can’t see.
In the most exciting development to date, Professor
Peskin’s theoretical conclusions were completely validated
in a physiological experiment using a precise instrument
capable of measuring arterial flexibility. This
experiment (the IOWA study) provided the first conclusive
clinical proof of Professor Peskin’s theory.
The IOWA study has proven that fish oil is no
longer the “cat’s meow” for your arteries. David Sim, MD
is a renowned interventional cardiologist. Together with
Professor Peskin, he has been conducting this long-term
study on the impact of plant-based parent essential fatty
acids on arterial aging processes. The key of the study is
the medical device digital pulse analyzer (DPA). I mentioned
this device in a past issue. I like it enough that I
now have one in my office.
This device is simple. You put your finger in a plastic
clip. It emits a soft laser light into your fingernail, much
like what is done to determine blood oxygen levels. But
this machine is made to read the light bouncing off the
small arteries in your finger. The waveform it reads is an
incredibly accurate measure of the elasticity (or stiffness)
of your small arteries, which is highly reflective of the condition
of your big arteries. This information is irrefutable;
even conventional medicine accepts its accuracy.
When we are born, our arteries are extremely flexible.
When your heart pumps, blood rushes into your
aorta and arteries. Your vessels expand, like a balloon.
When your heart is at rest, the elastic contraction of flexible
arteries pushes your blood along, just as the elasticskin of a balloon will push air back out after you blow
into it. With abnormal aging, your blood vessels become
stiffer and more rigid. Hardening of the arteries is a
major cause of heart attacks. This rigidity leads to the
need for higher blood pressure to expand your vessels.
Rigidity leads to far less expulsion of blood when your
heart is at rest. The rigidity is a direct reflection of arterial
damage and arteriosclerosis. Thanks in large part to
Professor Peskin’s work, we can now pinpoint the prime
cause of circulation dysfunction.
So, back to the DPA. The DPA measured the
effects of parent essential oils on vascular elasticity in
35 subjects —13 males and 22 females, ages 35-75. The
median age was 62. The researchers gave the volunteers
plant-based essential fatty acids for 3-48 months.
PEOs are so called because they are the 18 carbon
chain fatty acids that are the only true “essential fatty
acids.” The longer chain fatty acids of marine oils,
including EPA and DHA, are not “essential” fatty acids.
Your body makes these longer fatty acids automatically
from the true parent essential oils — if you’re getting
enough of the PEOs. We’ve come to believe that somehow
humans don’t automatically make sufficient longer
chain fatty acids (EPA and DHA) from the parent oils.
We do!!! And this study proves that it’s better to let your
body make what it needs in its own wisdom, than to
force-feed it what it might not want or need.
Now back to the study. The median duration of use
was 24 months. Half of the participants took the PEOs
for less than 24 months and half for more than 24
months. Twenty-five of the subjects improved their arterial
flexibility. That’s a stunning 73% effectiveness. The
average improvement was a nine-year decrease in arterial
age (stiffness).
Amazingly, 34 out of 35 subjects either tested better
than their physical age would suggest or at least stayed
at their physical age. Today, many people have premature
heart attacks. This study proved the effectiveness of
what will be a major tool in reversing this trend. This is
an incredible result, since it confirms that using PEOs
will markedly decrease your risk of a heart attack regardless
of age or existing physical condition.
Now what’s amazing is the NNT (number of persons
needed to be treated to see an effect in just one person)
was only 1.4. Pharma considers an NNT of less
than 50 a good result for the effectiveness of their poisons. For example, for statins, the NNT to “prevent” one
cardiovascular event is greater than 80. That means
more than 80 people would need to take a statin for
many years to see a positive outcome in just one person.
In contrast, just 1.4 people taking parent essential oils
need to take it for there to be a positive outcome in one
person. That is simply astounding.
Alex Kiss, PhD, is a statistician who has worked as
a consultant to the National Institute of Health (NIH).
He’s co-authored numerous peer-reviewed medical
papers that appeared in major medical journals, including
New England Journal of Medicine and Cancer. He
found that the statistical significance of the Peskin/Sim
work is extremely high. This work delivered 99.85% confidence.
Most medical studies come in at only 95%. This
study is 30 times more accurate than the average clinical
study. That means the results can’t be due just to
chance or error.
The mean “biologic” arterial age of the subjects
dropped nearly nine years!!! In another highly statistically
significant study, researchers analyzed 7 males and
9 females aged 46-84, taking PEOs over an average of
just 2.5 months. The time was from one month to eight
months of PEO usage.
In this very short period of time, seven of the 16
improved. That’s an amazing 42% effectiveness in
reversing arterial age in just a few short months. The
average improvement was 7.2 years of arterial age.
Here, the NNT was a low 2.3, and the results came in
only months (not years, like statins).
But here’s where it gets really interesting, in fact
scary, considering the dogma (and use) out there about
fish/marine/krill oil. Another study looked at 15 people
(7 males and 8 females aged 46-74, average age was 60)
who were taking fish oil. The researchers replaced the
fish oil with PEOs for an average duration of use of only
3.5 months. Thirteen of the 15 improved. That’s an 87%
effectiveness rate. The NNT was only 1.2. But, improvement
in arterial age was higher in this group that had
been taking fish oil than the other subgroups. Their
arterial age dropped 11.1 years, as measured by standard
population samples!
One subject remained unchanged, and one subject
worsened (by only a year). The statistical significance
was 99.99%, which is extremely high! In fact, this is 500
times more reliable than the typical 95% threshold used

in most pharmaceutical studies. In subjects with high
cholesterol, simply replacing their fish oil with PEOs
improved six subjects. In those with high cholesterol, the
NNT to improve the vascular system was an incredible
1.2. (That means that if 12 people take the product, 10
will improve. That’s simply stunning!) One subject with
both diabetes and high cholesterol improved.
Again, statins would require more than 80 people
treated (for years) to effect one less cardiovascular event.
Compare that to the PEO treatment, which improved
almost every single subject’s arterial age. In two patients
on statins, both improved their arterial flexibility by 20
years with the PEO formulation.
So why is this scary? DPA is a medically accepted,
direct, physiological, real-time measure of your arterial
age (flexibility). It makes blood measurements of cholesterol
and other “surrogates” seem antiquated. Here, we
have a group of people who were using fish oil, whose
mean arterial biological age was 49. After using PEOs, it
fell to 38 — that’s an 11-year improvement! This is an
unprecedented, landmark result!
The tragedy is that fish oil taken in the amounts
that most physicians recommend can overdose you with
20-times too much DHA and 250-500 times too much
EPA. Just think what would happen if you took 250
aspirin capsules — you’d be dead! Of course, fatty acids
are not a drug like aspirin. But, anything can act like a
drug in your body if you take it in pharmacological
amounts. That’s my concern about the unbridled rise of
marine oil consumption. We just don’t know what they
will do in the long run.
Friend, this is just fantastic information. When it
reaches the mainstream press (if they allow it to), it will
shatter the fish oil myth. This science is easily 10-20 years
in advance of anyone else, making it state-of-the art.
As a summary: Your body is really looking for 18
carbon-chain fatty acids, called “parent essential oils.”
Fish oil does NOT provide these fatty acids. These 18
carbon-chain fatty acids are the “heart and soul” of your
cell membranes. The normal person doesn’t naturally
convert very many fatty acids into long-chain derivatives
(EPA and DHA). Normally, at least 95% of EFAs stay in
parent form in your cells. Your body never converts more
than a mere 5% (usually less than just 1%) of these EFA
“parents” into derivatives (EPA and DHA), as your body
sees fit in its own wisdom. As you may know, oxidized (rusted/rancid) cholesterol
is a major cause of vascular disease. It’s quite possible
that fish/krill/marine oils contribute to this oxidation
process. Research confirms, absolutely, that “foods”
containing oxidized (rusted/rancid) oils attached to the
cholesterol are the direct cause of vascular disease. And
most fish oils (though not all) are already rancid before
you take them. If you take these oils, they will oxidize
your cholesterol. This will wreak havoc, even if your cholesterol
levels are “low.” You have to correct the cholesterol
structure. The way to do it is to incorporate plenty
of fully functional unoxidized PEOs.
When you ingest these unadulterated fatty acids,
they will gradually replace the adulterated (rusted,
deformed trans) fatty acids in your cells. This allows
your body to repair the damage and reverse arterial age.
According to the findings of the state-of-the-art IOWA
study, you may actually contribute to arterial aging
when you take fish oil. PEOs, on the other hand, replace
dangerous oxidized fatty acids with the ideal parent
omega-6/-3 proper physiologic ratio of oils that your body
requires. This is terrific news! This data strongly suggests
that replacing your damaged fats with fresh
undamaged parent essential oils may be the most effective
method ever found to reverse vascular disease and
prevent heart attacks.
I admit this is a major paradigm shift. I had to
struggle with it myself. But the research and discoveries
come from “rock solid” science. PEO oils are plant-based,
so anyone can take them (including strict vegans).
Although the IOWA study is ongoing, all the results I
discussed here are already highly significant statistically.
And I will tell you about the ongoing results.
In the meantime, if you have any hint of vascular
disease, or don’t want vascular disease, I now only recommend
plant-based parent essential oils. In my opinion,
YES EFA is the best PEO product on the market. It contains
omega-6 linoleic acid and omega-3 alpha linolenic
acid from several omega oil packing powerful plants. The
odds of this single product helping you are extremely
high (like about 90%). This is the very reason I asked
Advanced Bionutritionals to carry this product. Even with
my outstanding diet, and a DPA test indicating my vessels
30 years younger than my chronologic age, I take Yes
EFAs. You can order Yes EFAs by calling 800-791-3395. If
you got good results with fish oil, imagine the incredible
results you’ll get with plant-based PEOs.

[PurpleLama]

You don't need an expensive product made from a bunch of plants, you just need to take hemp oil (http://www.amazon.com/Nutiva-Organic-Hemp-24-Ounce-Bottle/dp/B000GAO91K/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1_m?ie=UTF8&qid=1379515576&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=nutiva+hemp+oil+128). By all accounts, the hemp oil naturally contains the correct proportion of the omegas and such for the human body. Which, of course, is a perfectly good reason for it to be illegal to produce in the US.

[PurpleLama]

sh!t, ive never heard of such a product (butter oil/cod liver oil). and ive been around, let me tell you!;)

cool stuff.

What's cool about their product, the butter oil is made from grass fed fresh milk put straight into a centrifuge and the oils/nutrition extracted, so you get all the good stuff in fresh milk in a concentrated form, and the cod liver oil is made from fermented livers, not pressed or pasteurized, go you get it the way Gawd intended it. Since I am blathering on about the stuff once again, again I will mention how I had west nile in 06, and only fully recovered from it when I began taking the aforementioned product in early 12. Until last year, I was physically very weak and had extremely low stamina, and honestly it was sungazing that got me through those years, it was the only thing that helped. But, after taking the butter liver oil, as I call it, my muscle mass returned, and I am once again my former self, a veritable 135lb HeMan, haha.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I take the Green Pastures caps, but this whole discussion also make me think about linseed, chia and hemp, I slobber that stuff down with a straw in yoghurt by the bucket and feel fine, any numbers and or studies on that which say it makes your arteries explode? Seems to work just fine for me, perhaps it is the case with this doctor and the studies he reviewed and the experts he talked to, they actually benefit from heart disease? Heart surgeons and their companeros always seem to drive awfully fat cars and seem to live rather good lives, so them pushing for less marine oils and fatty acids will buy them shiny new rims and who wants to be out of a job? I by no means a brainiac but hey, come on, I can smell some discrepancies here.

If heart surgeons would all be really interested in health, they would prevent the damaging in the first place and become nutritionists and not heart surgeons, even if plants would be better then the meaty variety of the above discussed ( something I do not doubt btw, last time I checked my pale honky armpits, no gills and or fins there), how come so little or at least only very expensive products are on the market Dead doctors don't lie is one of the best presentations I have ever seen and made complete sense, but why the hefty price tag, Green Pastures oils are not cheap either btw.

How bout raw coconut oil, that still any good?

[luapskie]

You don't need an expensive product made from a bunch of plants, you just need to take hemp oil (http://www.amazon.com/Nutiva-Organic-Hemp-24-Ounce-Bottle/dp/B000GAO91K/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1_m?ie=UTF8&qid=1379515576&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=nutiva+hemp+oil+128). By all accounts, the hemp oil naturally contains the correct proportion of the omegas and such for the human body. Which, of course, is a perfectly good reason for it to be illegal to produce in the US.

And hemp oil is cheap? yeah, maybe if you grow hemp in the backyard...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

You don't need an expensive product made from a bunch of plants, you just need to take hemp oil (http://www.amazon.com/Nutiva-Organic-Hemp-24-Ounce-Bottle/dp/B000GAO91K/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1_m?ie=UTF8&qid=1379515576&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=nutiva+hemp+oil+128). By all accounts, the hemp oil naturally contains the correct proportion of the omegas and such for the human body. Which, of course, is a perfectly good reason for it to be illegal to produce in the US.

And hemp oil is cheap? yeah, maybe if you grow hemp in the backyard...

Klopt (that's right)

Welkom trouwens;)

[PurpleLama]

You don't need an expensive product made from a bunch of plants, you just need to take hemp oil (http://www.amazon.com/Nutiva-Organic-Hemp-24-Ounce-Bottle/dp/B000GAO91K/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1_m?ie=UTF8&qid=1379515576&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=nutiva+hemp+oil+128). By all accounts, the hemp oil naturally contains the correct proportion of the omegas and such for the human body. Which, of course, is a perfectly good reason for it to be illegal to produce in the US.

And hemp oil is cheap? yeah, maybe if you grow hemp in the backyard...

I couldn't find it for the link, but usually I get a gallon of hemp oil for about thirty five dollars off of amazon. Once we figured out how much it expanded when heated, and comparing how much use we get out of it ounce for ounce compared to cooking with olive or peanut oil, we determined it was saving us quite a bit of money considering that gallon lasts over half a year. Only recipes that require butter (in the southern US, these are more than a few!) do not use the hemp oil.

[luapskie]

You don't need an expensive product made from a bunch of plants, you just need to take hemp oil (http://www.amazon.com/Nutiva-Organic-Hemp-24-Ounce-Bottle/dp/B000GAO91K/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1_m?ie=UTF8&qid=1379515576&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=nutiva+hemp+oil+128). By all accounts, the hemp oil naturally contains the correct proportion of the omegas and such for the human body. Which, of course, is a perfectly good reason for it to be illegal to produce in the US.

And hemp oil is cheap? yeah, maybe if you grow hemp in the backyard...

Klopt (that's right)

Welkom trouwens;)

Dank je wel, heb helaas maar weinig kans hier mee te doen, ben onderweg met de camper in Amerika.

[luapskie]

The genuine hemp-oil is made by putting the fully matured buts of the female hemp plant in to alcohol, this will resolve the resin from the leaves and flowers. The solution is than heated to vaporize the alcohol, you only get a small amount of pure hemp-oil from a large amount of good quality pure hemp buts. Good hemp is expensive, so I don't see how the oil could be cheap, unless you grow the hemp yourself like I said before

[778 neighbour of some guy]

The genuine hemp-oil is made by putting the fully matured buts of the female hemp plant in to alcohol, this will resolve the raisin from the leaves and flowers. The solution is than heated to vaporize the alcohol, you only get a small amount of pure hemp-oil from a large amount of good quality pure hemp buts. Good hemp is expensive, so I don't see how the oil could be cheap, unless you grow the hemp yourself like I said before

Wrong oil, the oil Reilly uses is hemp seed oil, prolly cold pressed, can be used for raw consumption and if you are nice to it for cooking, the oil you speak about is the medicinal variety from the female plant which produces the buds, its a completely different oil with different properties and consistency. At least we are all in the hemp section, so that's a good thing, happy camping btw.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

You don't need an expensive product made from a bunch of plants, you just need to take hemp oil (http://www.amazon.com/Nutiva-Organic-Hemp-24-Ounce-Bottle/dp/B000GAO91K/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1_m?ie=UTF8&qid=1379515576&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=nutiva+hemp+oil+128). By all accounts, the hemp oil naturally contains the correct proportion of the omegas and such for the human body. Which, of course, is a perfectly good reason for it to be illegal to produce in the US.

And hemp oil is cheap? yeah, maybe if you grow hemp in the backyard...

I couldn't find it for the link, but usually I get a gallon of hemp oil for about thirty five dollars off of amazon. Once we figured out how much it expanded when heated, and comparing how much use we get out of it ounce for ounce compared to cooking with olive or peanut oil, we determined it was saving us quite a bit of money considering that gallon lasts over half a year. Only recipes that require butter (in the southern US, these are more than a few!) do not use the hemp oil.

Wow Reilly, that's cheaper then dirt, we pay ( in healthfood stores) about 19 euro voor 350 ml, its absolutely ridiculous, its the cheapest and lowest maintenance plant ever to grow and harvest and over the top prices, someone is making bigggggggg bucks here by keeping it a somewhat rare commodity.

Amazing for a plant you can almost grow on a brick.

[Mu2143]

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[luapskie]

Thanks, I will send my parents a bottle of the hemp-oil, they are taking fish-oil now and think they are doing the right thing.

[PurpleLama]

The genuine hemp-oil is made by putting the fully matured buts of the female hemp plant in to alcohol, this will resolve the raisin from the leaves and flowers. The solution is than heated to vaporize the alcohol, you only get a small amount of pure hemp-oil from a large amount of good quality pure hemp buts. Good hemp is expensive, so I don't see how the oil could be cheap, unless you grow the hemp yourself like I said before

Wrong oil, the oil Reilly uses is hemp seed oil, prolly cold pressed, can be used for raw consumption and if you are nice to it for cooking, the oil you speak about is the medicinal variety from the female plant which produces the buds, its a completely different oil with different properties and consistency. At least we are all in the hemp section, so that's a good thing, happy camping btw.

Ed, my friend, you are correct, and being in the great United Surveillance States, I would be hesitant to say much about the other type of hemp oil, except to say, god forbid one should use such for cooking (except maybe in brownies ;) )

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Thanks, I will send my parents a bottle of the hemp-oil, they are taking fish-oil now and think they are doing the right thing.

Its not necessarily the wrong thing my friend, we ( the human species)have been eating fish for 100.000ths of years, so it cant be all that bad, I don't think your parents will spontaneously fall over backwards because they have been taking fish oil for some time, but switching to hemp oil is probably a good thing for us land based creatures, we have been eating the plant and the seeds in all our corporeal forms for millions of years now so it makes complete sense its fires up the receptors in our hemispheres and recognizes it as being beneficial for our overall health, graze away.

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The genuine hemp-oil is made by putting the fully matured buts of the female hemp plant in to alcohol, this will resolve the raisin from the leaves and flowers. The solution is than heated to vaporize the alcohol, you only get a small amount of pure hemp-oil from a large amount of good quality pure hemp buts. Good hemp is expensive, so I don't see how the oil could be cheap, unless you grow the hemp yourself like I said before

Wrong oil, the oil Reilly uses is hemp seed oil, prolly cold pressed, can be used for raw consumption and if you are nice to it for cooking, the oil you speak about is the medicinal variety from the female plant which produces the buds, its a completely different oil with different properties and consistency. At least we are all in the hemp section, so that's a good thing, happy camping btw.

Ed, my friend, you are correct, and being in the great United Surveillance States, I would be hesitant to say much about the other type of hemp oil, except to say, god forbid one should use such for cooking (except maybe in brownies ;) )

That's a wise thing to say, plausible browniebility is an excellent way to keep your cookies of the radar. ( dammit, now I am getting all paranoid):o

[sigma6]

Had an interesting discussion with a medico many many years ago about dietary oils, which cemented my views, and I think medical science is slowly starting to wake up. BTW, it was his refusal to acknowledge the basics of organic hydrocarbon chemistry as being incongruous with the claims being made in medicine that cemented my views, not that I agreed with him, nor him with me.

First part was the saturated versus unsaturated. Saturated means that every carbon/hydrogen/oxygen etc. has a fully functioning bond to other atoms withing the molecule. Unsaturated means that some of the bonds are more shaky double and triple bonds, polyunsaturated means many of these unsaturated bonds exist. Unsaturated means that there are more weak spots that can be attacked by radicals, oxygen etc.

Discussion went along the following direction.
"Butter is bad ?'
"Yes, it's saturated fat"
"But being saturated, means that it's oxidatively stable, and doesn't undergo chemical change readily. When I hold it in my hand, it melts. So if it's liquid at body temperature, and doesn't readily oxidise (see Indian cooking ghee stored in the pantry), how is that leading to arthereosclorosis ?"
"It's saturated, and all of the studies show saturated is bad"

"Vegetable oils good ?" (note, that there aren't any "vegetable oils", they are seed/nut typically, and olives are fruit etc. No "carrot oil")
"Yes, they are of vegetable origin, unsaturated, and good".
"What happens when they are exposed to oxygen, heat and catalysts ?"
"Not sure of your line of questioning"
"They make linoleum by taking healthy linseed oil, exposing it to oxygen and a metallic oxide catalyst, and it polymerises into a rubber/plastic, that you can walk on for decades, won't melt in my hand. When I work on a car and have exposed metal, I spray it with linseed oil or fish oil to have the same effect making a polymer barrier to protect the metal, that can be sanded and painted over. Vegetable oil bottles in the pantry go "gummy" around the top through the same mechanism. Is it possible that this plastic is what's causing arthereosclerosis ?"
"The studies don't indicate that"

At that point, I chose to ditch vegetable oils, unless they are "non drying", olive coconut, grapeseed etc. and stick to butter for breakfast, sandwiches etc.

Gotta love it... Gotta love it...

let see if I got it.. saturate fats are bad and
vegetable oil (which never existed naturally in nature) are good...

ok got it thanks.... don't you just love talking to mindless wankers!?