Subject: Is The Ground Crew Dead or Do We Need A New Mission Statement?

[sjkted]

Hi All,

I recently read Cliff High's latest posting at http://www.halfpasthuman.com/woowoodo.html.

In it, he states: The 'unawakened masses' are NOT your friend. They prefer their controlled lives, and universe view, and WILL defend it. Remember, that approaching those outside the woo-jo, and inviting them, or even insisting that they join, will not work.

I have found these words to be all too true from personal experience. When I first started with the George Green books, I had the impression that the truth was all that was needed.

My position right now is that everyone is on their own evolutionary path. The people who are here at PA are not on the mainstream path.

Here's what Cliff says about trying to wake people up:

To the unawakened you are attempting to kill off their comfortable existence. It is like teaching a pig to sing, it will not work, and will only annoy the pig. It is up to universe whether any specific individual shifts over to an awakened state. Repeat…it ain’t up to you.

Originally, I thought this would be heartless to not tell people, as it gives them some choices, but I can't say I've woken anyone up who wasn't already somewhat awake, and definitely not been able to even have an intelligible conversation with anyone who was totally asleep.

In other words, I say the people who are asleep are sleeping because they choose not to wake up, but also because they do not have the personal development necessary to wake up. I conclude that it is not possible to wake the majority of them up.

So, as to the Groundcrew concept, it seems it would mean that the primary purpose would be to inform and help and network with those who are already awake or semi-awake, but possibly not very well-informed.

I'd like to hear comments and opinions from everyone on this.

--sjkted

[Gita]

Totally agree with you on the Groundcrew concept Sjkted. Also agree with Cliff's report - this is what I've been trying to tell the 'love and light' people who only go so far in their wakening state. Self responsibility is the buzz word and so is setting an example - the rest is up to the individual. I would also include those who are awake as the more concentrated the focus, intention and the energy the more impact it has. :thumb:

I can't help but to apply the concept of a handful of people running the world to the handful of such groundcrews to counterbalancing them and be the cause of the 100 monkey syndrome.

[stardustaquarion]

Hi Sjkted

I quite agree with Cliff statement that it may be impossible to wake up anyone. I personally think that a brain control system is being implemented and that people that has not awaken yet will find it very difficult to think outside of the box and see how the world is being taken over. Whether is the Corteum or other ET or Illuminati group it does not matter really as it is happening already.

People is not interested in knowing anything but superficial stuff like big brother and I can tell you, not even my sons that have received unconventional education are just no interested.

I wonder sometimes whether they are putting something in the water and why there is a group, albeit small, of people that are awaken regardless.

It makes me a bit sad but I think it is possible that it may be too late and what we have to consider is our own personal evolution now

If this becomes a police world being in communities will not be safe I think

Love

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hey sjkted I'm totally with you on this one...excellent thread...

I have been gobsmacked by the ignorance and acceptance of this continual spiral of deceipt by you know who!!!

They are quite happy to live in there own cosy little bubble and live happy and ever after!!!!! (until the next life)

*viking sighs*

viking

[Gita]

Keep the faith Stardust - I have a good feeling that when it comes down to it the 'little' people will take back the power - even if we miss the boat in 3D then we'll turn into spiritual terrorist in the higher realms and our power will be unstoppable. No one or no thing is getting my soul but the Creator itself.

[sjkted]

So, the next question would be: was the groundcrew concept doomed from the beginning or did it just not work out?

One possibility is that there is a real war going on and the controllers were able to expedite their control mechanisms in order for the groundcrew not to take off.

Another possibility is that we are the sum of all of our actions in this lifetime and in past ones. Many people have taken every opportunity available to them to get closer and closer to the status quo of today. A few others have taken every opportunity to walk in the opposite direction. For those who have walked to status quo, they have quite a hike to get back to the beginning where they can start again as sovereign beings.

My take is that it is probably a combination of the two.

--sjkted

[Jan Rodrigo]

Keep the faith Stardust - I have a good feeling that when it comes down to it the 'little' people will take back the power - even if we miss the boat in 3D then we'll turn into spiritual terrorist in the higher realms and our power will be unstoppable. No one or no thing is getting my soul but the Creator itself.

I to belivie this and im welling to put everything iv got and all my heart into makeing a difrence ,this why it so importent that we stick together no matter what are Believes may be. We have to work as a team, for we are the minority at the moment , I no in my soul we can do this. time is coming for action but first come’s organization we have to all stay positive remember we do create reality , fear is what they and worry is what they want uu to feel love to you all Jan

[sjkted]

My favorite poem:

1. The Road Not Taken


TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

--sjkted

[Wood]

Sometimes I wonder whether the PTBs have activated a plan to stop the mass awakening process by doing what they have been doing at least since the summer of love: to market us individuality, to destroy the sense of community and to suppress our will to change. It might be true many people can't be awakened in one shot but I think at least they could try to change the current world. I think most people dislike wars, destruction of nature, etc, but they (we) feel powerless to change how things are.
IMHO spreading the word a different world IS possible can indeed make a difference. And the PTBs fear mass awakening, even if it is not full enlightenment.

Another good plan for the PTBs could be to spread some bits of information, locate troublesome people and target them (us) with stronger mind control (or isolate us) to stop any real change from the very root.

Maybe this is 3D thinking but I believe this world won't be that bad if we heal it and get all the suppressed tech and keep researching in positive ways.

[sunnydaze]

Hi sjkted,

Im a avid listener of Clif High and respect his opinions, this is a subject being constantly debated it seems.

When I first awoke to the 'the elephant in my living room' I was on a mission to educate family and friends but experienced the isolation some of us have experienced when told by family members 'you need to get out more'
But over the last couple of years Ive had some fantastic philosophical conversations with my father, who in the beginning just laughed me out the house. More recently Ive been sending him dvd's as he is 75 and not on line,for xmas I sent him 'In Plane site' about 9/11 and 'holes in heaven' about Haarp. Last week I sent him 'Endgame' and a print out of the 'Anglo Saxon Mission' for his 75th birthday. (what a lucky man I hear you say!)

This morning I had an hour long telephone conversation with him about these and can honestly say that through time and never pressurising him into watching anything I feel his belief system is changing.
It must be even harder for our parents generation to question some of these issues and of course it is pointless trying wake people who do not want to be woken, but I think we have a responsibility to show some people the light.

[sjkted]

I to belivie this and im welling to put everything iv got and all my heart into makeing a difrence ,this why it so importent that we stick together no matter what are Believes may be. We have to work as a team, for we are the minority at the moment , I no in my soul we can do this. time is coming for action but first come’s organization we have to all stay positive remember we do create reality , fear is what they and worry is what they want uu to feel love to you all Jan

So, at what point does trying to inform them become dangerous for us? As time passes, people who inform others will be depicted similar to how the media treats the Tea Partiers. Being labeled a terrorist and running into the law (if you want to call it that), doesn't benefit the groundcrew at all. I could care less about other people's impressions, but it does seem that at some point this will become dangerous, especially as the unawakened start to defend their belief systems.

--sjkted

[Burke]

what worries me more is seeing something like what is now happening to the tea party...happen to OUR party

I have never made it my goal to wake people up (well I guess did in the early days '70s'), learned those lessons long ago, but this stuff is and will probably continue to go mainstream

when that happens, all of this information, could get distorted to serve as just another level of control operating on the same agenda we see clearly now

I think it is going to get more ugly before the truth wins out, simply because it is all perception based

[stardustaquarion]

Hi Jan Rodrigo

I understand what you mean and I will continue doing what I feel I have to do but I do think that it is unlikely that the ordinary man in the street will wake up. What Cliff says

The 'unawakened masses' are NOT your friend. They prefer their controlled lives, and universe view, and WILL defend it. Remember, that approaching those outside the woo-jo, and inviting them, or even insisting that they join, will not work.

To the unawakened you are attempting to kill off their comfortable existence. It is like teaching a pig to sing, it will not work, and will only annoy the pig. It is up to universe whether any specific individual shifts over to an awakened state. Repeat…it ain’t up to you.

We are far to few to create the momentum for a mass awakening. I think 2012 will come, the frequency fence will go up, 2012 will go and people will carry on and when the time comes they will not know what hit them, we will see a 100 pct comunist society of brain washed automatons ready for the cull. In the meantime maybe our time will be put to better use by getting stronger, wiser and heal all that we need to heal

May I suggest, if you feel like it, to see the videos in the Wingmakers thread?

Love

[sjkted]

Sometimes I wonder whether the PTBs have activated a plan to stop the mass awakening process by doing what they have been doing at least since the summer of love: to market us individuality, to destroy the sense of community and to suppress our will to change. It might be true many people can't be awakened in one shot but I think at least they could try to change the current world. I think most people dislike wars, destruction of nature, etc, but they (we) feel powerless to change how things are.
IMHO spreading the word a different world IS possible can indeed make a difference. And the PTBs fear mass awakening, even if it is not full enlightenment.

Another good plan for the PTBs could be to spread some bits of information, locate troublesome people and target them (us) with stronger mind control (or isolate us) to stop any real change from the very root.

Maybe this is 3D thinking but I believe this world won't be that bad if we heal it and get all the suppressed tech and keep researching in positive ways.

I agree, the world could be a great place if we heal it and get the suppressed tech, but it really depends on how it happens. Do you want to live in the future world of the Wingmakers (per Stardust's thread at http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?597-The-wingmakers-sanitized-hell-after-2012&p=5301#post5301) or do you want to live in a world where each person can chart their own path, have their own experiences, and develop as they choose?

--sjkted

[Gita]

So, the next question would be: was the groundcrew concept doomed from the beginning or did it just not work out?

I don’t think we can as yet say it has not worked out as we have a bit of time left and I’m aware of those groundcrews who are working silently behind the scenes and with intent. The concept was presented to us along with the elaboration that it depended on our freewill and yes that word again ‘INTENT’. We still have some time left – what do we choose is the next question? I’ve already chosen – with intent. :wink:

Stay positive people. Jan is correct in saying that our fear will continue to feed ‘their’ energy. Lets step out of fear and back into who we truly are – LOVE. Love and fear cannot occupy the same space. It’s only from Divine Love that we can create our intent. :thumb:

[Wood]

Do you want to live in the future world of the Wingmakers (per Stardust's thread at http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?597-The-wingmakers-sanitized-hell-after-2012&p=5301#post5301) or do you want to live in a world where each person can chart their own path, have their own experiences, and develop as they choose?

I do not believe there are just two options :) From that post I won't like that 'wingmakers' world at all, sure, but that doesn't mean we can't stir the sleeping people up a bit. It is still up to them to choose their paths. I believe most people is on the light side but sleeping, and by pushing them a bit they will hopefully wake up.

I am sure most people won't listen if you fill them with lots of long, complex and unproven names of shy ETs around us but they will surely listen about not worrying to pay bills, about living in a beautiful, clean world where nobody starves to death, about no more wars, about how bankers steal our wealth, etc. Change is possible.

[Jan Rodrigo]

So, at what point does trying to inform them become dangerous for us? As time passes, people who inform others will be depicted similar to how the media treats the Tea Partiers. Being labeled a terrorist and running into the law (if you want to call it that), doesn't benefit the groundcrew at all. I could care less about other people's impressions, but it does seem that at some point this will become dangerous, especially as the unawakened start to defend their belief systems.

--sjkted

ha im not saying that im going to change the way people think but I am Certainly not afraid or scared in any way shape or form. I do not look at any one as being different to my self we are all one anther ,my life is not more important than any one else’s. This is fear of what mite happen . I do not feel fear and well not ,I refuse I don’t think people should be like me or think like me that’s initially up to them .but I no who I am. I do believe when you help your self you help every one there is no selfishness in oneness all my love Jan

[stardustaquarion]

Hey Gita, I am not afraid but I am sensing a deep change, I don't know yet why but it is realted to what the HC is doing to the fabric of time...I can feel it, the trees can feel it, the dolphins can feel it there is a lot of chatter in the grids. I mention these beings cos I am in touch with them and what we are collective sensing is like a veil made of triangles. I am sure anyone that has a cat will "feel" it too.

Love

[Gita]

I feel it too Stardust but yet I choose to remain in control of myself and at the same time flow with these energies. Remember what we put our attention on with intent will result in our favour. Flow with love - not with uncertainty. We're only getting one shot of this unique event so lets stay balanced and focused. I still got a good feeling - not saying its going to be easy by any means but nothing easy is worth having angel - so I've heard! :wink:

[Jan Rodrigo]

Hi Jan Rodrigo

I understand what you mean and I will continue doing what I feel I have to do but I do think that it is unlikely that the ordinary man in the street will wake up. What Cliff says

The 'unawakened masses' are NOT your friend. They prefer their controlled lives, and universe view, and WILL defend it. Remember, that approaching those outside the woo-jo, and inviting them, or even insisting that they join, will not work.

To the unawakened you are attempting to kill off their comfortable existence. It is like teaching a pig to sing, it will not work, and will only annoy the pig. It is up to universe whether any specific individual shifts over to an awakened state. Repeat…it ain’t up to you.

We are far to few to create the momentum for a mass awakening. I think 2012 will come, the frequency fence will go up, 2012 will go and people will carry on and when the time comes they will not know what hit them, we will see a 100 pct comunist society of brain washed automatons ready for the cull. In the meantime maybe our time will be put to better use by getting stronger, wiser and heal all that we need to heal

May I suggest, if you feel like it, to see the videos in the Wingmakers thread?

Love

I understand, I think maybe I was taken in the wrong Context . Im not going to break my back trying to wake people up that well happen naturally Its chore s and effect . But I well let It be non that I well not just set back and have more of are freedom taken away.
I do believe when you help your self you help every one there is no selfishness in oneness all my love Jan

[Jacqui D]

I have always felt a them and us situation here on earth do not know why an inbuilt thing i guess, i have tried to awaken many but they have ignored me or looked at me as if i am mad, i really believe that there are some who are just not meant to awaken that sounds harsh i know but i have felt i have been banging my head against a brick wall for ages, as i have said before it hurts!
It breaks my heart when i look at people in their little world and want for them so much more.
But i know this is something we can only do ourselves and no amount of giving information is going to make any difference not now.
I will be continuing to work on myself but will be sending out love to those who need it.

[yiolas]

Hi sjkted,

It must be even harder for our parents generation to question some of these issues and of course it is pointless trying wake people who do not want to be woken, but I think we have a responsibility to show some people the light.

You are absolutely correct sunnydaze, We do have a responsibility to those who are dear to us to show them the light. I talk to my parents and my adult kids all the time about my new found enlightenment. In the beginning they sort of shrugged it off as just one of my eccentricities. But more and more everyday as they see how fast our world is changing they pay more attention when I talk about our power as human spirits or the manipulations of the PTB. If each person can just awaken their immediate family and or friends, it will be enough.

[xbusymom]

I dont think the ground crew is cancelled... I just think it is moving a lot slower than we expected it would...

I mean- look at the time line... this same kind of stuff was available when my folks were just married (50 years ago) , they taught me and my sisters as well as held a 'study group' to wake people up with this info (about 30 years ago) , the ground crew books came out (about 10 years ago);

so we are looking at a generational cycle of around 20 years... maybe our job is to pass this info on to the next generation... THE KIDS... and when you hear about the indigo children, the crystal children, the star children... all of whom are more awake than their parents...

maybe we just need to concentrate on this graduating class... the underclassmen are probably not ready to graduate yet...

[HORIZONS]

I do not believe there are just two options :) From that post I won't like that 'wingmakers' world at all, sure, but that doesn't mean we can't stir the sleeping people up a bit. It is still up to them to choose their paths. I believe most people is on the light side but sleeping, and by pushing them a bit they will hopefully wake up.

I am sure most people won't listen if you fill them with lots of long, complex and unproven names of shy ETs around us but they will surely listen about not worrying to pay bills, about living in a beautiful, clean world where nobody starves to death, about no more wars, about how bankers steal our wealth, etc. Change is possible.

Yes, change is possible, but first people must be 'willing' to change. Those that are not willing to change will never change, and those that are not willing to wake up - wont. So we must live our lives according to the level of truth we know - we must walk our talk - and if we apply the laws of intention, attraction, allowance and balance we will be where we need to be, and we can allow others to be where they want to be. For you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

But I will add -- It does not matter so much if we see a grand awaking, it does matter where our intent is. The energy we put out with intent will return to us in like manner, and this is what is important.

[HORIZONS]

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world.
Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

Margaret Mead (1901-1978) :cool:

[stardustaquarion]

After reading and re-reading Cliff article, I think that it is no longer the duty of the "map makers" to show the way. The way has been shown many times, how many truly feel they can live in a Class 1 civilization, how many truly feel they have achieved self responsibility and found the treasure within that can tell them the complex physics that can bring them on slide from a Class 0 civilization to a Class 1 civilization. How many know what a class 1 civilization is...

At the bottom of his article Cliff says

The newest of the budo arts, woo-woo-do has yet to define its core, though there is no need as, during the transition of the planet into the ‘new order of the age’, the woo-woo-do-ka (those persons pursuing woo-woo-do) are busily employed mapping the Path. Care to explore with us?

Welcome to the mat.
Make it yours.
Demonstrate your arts.

For me this says that mapping and showing are not compatible for both require time and effort. The ones that are ready to make the quantum leap know already which way the "mat" is

Love you all

[blue777]

I have always felt a them and us situation here on earth do not know why an inbuilt thing i guess, i have tried to awaken many but they have ignored me or looked at me as if i am mad, i really believe that there are some who are just not meant to awaken that sounds harsh i know but i have felt i have been banging my head against a brick wall for ages, as i have said before it hurts!
It breaks my heart when i look at people in their little world and want for them so much more.
But i know this is something we can only do ourselves and no amount of giving information is going to make any difference not now.
I will be continuing to work on myself but will be sending out love to those who need it.



i agree with you totally jacquie, i think when their frquencies rises they will not know what ha hit them , then they will listen
lol
blue

[MorningSong]

Thank you sjkted. I think that this thread is very important and should be explored in depth.

As I read Cliff's message, I was filled with sadness, actually, because I, too, think that the time of conversion or “awakening” is near it's end. As it was, when I found Project Avalon (just a few months before it went subscription), I was in a state of total anxiety caused by an overwhelming sensation of urgency- but I did not know what it was exactly that the universe would have me “do”. I had passed about 7 years of “sheepish slumber” because of my separation and new role as “sole bread winner” for two young boys. I had not studied nor applied what my life experiences had taught me during those 7 years, and I had fallen out of contact with the growing information. Having stumbled onto my new awakening in 2006-7 and having found Avalon threw me into a wild frenzy of catching up.

I, too, have had the honor to have a mother who was very aware and vigilant of the mysteries and incongruities with our actual “reality” even back in the '70's ( I will never forget when she took me with her to see “Chariots of the Gods” at the movie theater...I guess I was about 11 years old). Our home was full of books on prophecy, antique and modern, ufo phenom, self-help, religious studies.
My mom is very connected to the earth and taught me to stop, look and listen, to recognise it's flora and fauna, to be a part, an observer. She wasn't freaked out when I would see “shadow people” and when I could feel good and bad “vibes” as well as see auras. We were accomplices, teaching one another, and together explored many theories and alternative realities. I feel that I am blessed to have her.

I have had many encounters and experiences down my road to enlightenment (I'm still on the path, btw. Don't think it ever ends). In the '90's I took courses in Ortho-bionomy. A Reiki Master was one of the organizers. I talked to him about my life story and told him how I had always felt like a “Cassandra” when speaking to people about my perceptions, my studies and my signs, and how I truely desired to “warn” everyone of the future we would be facing. He told me, “There will come a day, soon, when the people will no longer listen.” That has truly, nearly, come about! I, too feel that I have lost my “energy-urgency-will(?)” to awaken others, and it makes me so sad. I also feel that a new urgency (though not quite as nerve-wrecking, more tranquil and constant like a heartbeat) to prepare for what is to come with like-minded, awake people, although I do still have it in me to share with the half-awake.

So , you see, I know that I have been prepared for my “mission” just by glancing at a list of my life experiences. I can pin point almost every step on the ladder. And I also realize that many of the rungs on the ladder, I , myself, have chosen; for example, the many times I have chosen to go “against the current”, giving up the well trodden way for the “road less traveled”. I absolutely love that poem by Robert Frost! It has meant so much for me ever since I was a pre-teen. It's like I recognized myself in it and it became my mascot! Thanks for posting it!

So let's go back and look at this question: What do we do now? I know what I'd like to do, to see done. Yet I have no real “ground crew” to work with at this time except my youngest son who is quite “awake” but not motivated due to his(our) economical situation at this time (it all goes back to money, somehow). Lots of “wanna dos” and not enough “done it's.

The Avalon Ground Crew had a responsibility and a function... did it take that responsibility seriously? For some people it did... What's that responsibility now? How can we, who are spread out all over the world, continue this legacy? We need to find out.

[dAkapacity]

Good thread Sjkted and also in my life very much to the point!

I recently left the idea of telling the world what's going on [what's going on, tell me what's going on... Marvin Gaye], although I get flashes of wanting to do it again. They're just shorter now, like the thoughts and emotions that are being observed and pass by in a meditation.

When I think about the people that I have to 'leave behind', I get a little sad, but at the same time I realise in part it's also their decision.

The only thing we can do is stick together, live our thruths, increase our light. I use humor a lot which has the power to open doors. While laughing together sometimes the doubting crowd has the chance to ask questions. For example: in the store where I worked I used a small orgone device to counterbalance the wi-fi frequencies. Some people asked me what it was for and then I replied it's to scare away the 'peecee & wifi monsters'. Most of the time they looked puzzled, but when they really wanted to know I started explaining about the science behind it. It happened once in awhile that people asked me for more information.
:clap2:

Sleepyheads also have cracks in their dark bedroom walls. I don't believe in the division between the lightworkers and the people in a lower vibrational state... I mean, in a way I do, but by shining your brightness unconditionally, eventually the light could get in as well. If you hold on to that division you're caught in another mind trap.

I do admit that it's a bit :confused: sometimes: everything is funked up, but very much owkay as well!

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Dada,
xxdA.