Americans want white children

[Violet]

Sorry, some CNN-sourced news, but still, I was kinda unsettled to read that most dark-skinned adoption children are sent off from the American shores, while white adoption kids are kept for the Americans.

Note, the biological parents also have a say in where there child ends up and apparently coloured people themselves choose to have their children far away from environments where there is a risk that they will not be treated fairly because of their skin colour.

The most popular destination countries for the unwanted dark-skinned American adoption children are Canada and the Netherlands.

And a quote from adoption lawyer Steven Kirsch:

American adoption parents prefer white kids, while Dutch families just want "a kid".

Full article (run a goggles):http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenland/article/detail/1706060/2013/09/17/Adoptiekinderen-uit-de-VS-belanden-vaker-in-Nederland.dhtml

[sheme]

Lucky dark-skinned kids : smile

[Flash]

Lucky dark-skinned kids : smile

I almost agree.

[161803398]

I must be a strange person. My parents had to give me black dolls when I was a kid coz I liked them better than the white ones. But lots of white people tell me they prefer the look of darker skinned people. Maybe there is something else going on.

[Kindling]

When my husband and I were adopting many years ago I was shocked (naively so I now realize) that there was a much shorter waiting list and cost if one was willing to accept a child of color or mixed race - similar to adopting older children or sibling groups. I am white but my husband and step children were Mexican so going into it we were very open about race. I was outraged when I learned about this reality.

First we adopted two Mexican boys who were siblings 6 and 7 years old and had been in the foster care system since they were 1 and 2 years old. Adopting them was an amazing experience! Of course, adopting older children isn't all roses. They have special needs that can last a life time.

A few years later we adopted a a newborn little girl who is Vietnamese, Black, and Mexican. Lions and tigers and bears, oh my - lol :-). She is in high school now. Her favorite subjects are math and chemistry. Me, her Dad, and her brothers think she's a little nuts lol!! Actually she's just smarter than all of us put together. She's also has a beautiful heart. Just saying all that to emphasize that a couple insisting on a *white* infant would have said no to this wonderful person. Omg, unbelievable!

[Flash]

Coloured kids sent to Amsterdam or Canada for adoption will be well treated, fed and love usually. So, in fact, they are Lucky, they will also be raised in relatively peaceful countries.

[Violet]

Lucky dark-skinned kids : smile

I almost agree.

Yes, in the end they're probably better off, but it does show, or rather confirm the profound racial problem in - of all countries - the US. Not that we're doing a better job in Europe, but still,...These matters shouldn't be taken lightly. You know, there's so much research that I'd like to share one day about how all these perceptions on both sides and both on the conscious and unconscious level play out in society. I'd have to look that up.

[markpierre]

If you start out with white, you can darken them later if you need to.

[Violet]

When my husband and I were adopting many years ago I was shocked (naively so I now realize) that there was a much shorter waiting list and cost if one was willing to accept a child of color or mixed race - similar to adopting older children or sibling groups. I am white but my husband and step children were Mexican so going into it we were very open about race. I was outraged when I learned about this reality.

First we adopted two Mexican boys who were siblings 6 and 7 years old and had been in the foster care system since they were 1 and 2 years old. Adopting them was an amazing experience! Of course, adopting older children isn't all roses. They have special needs that can last a life time.

A few years later we adopted a a newborn little girl who is Vietnamese, Black, and Mexican. Lions and tigers and bears, oh my - lol :-). She is in high school now. Her favorite subjects are math and chemistry. Me, her Dad, and her brothers think she's a little nuts lol!! Actually she's just smarter than all of us put together. She's also has a beautiful heart. Just saying all that to emphasize that a couple insisting on a *white* infant would have said no to this wonderful person. Omg, unbelievable!

Thanks Kindling for sharing this beautiful story. I admire your and your family's strength to take up such a big task. You've done a beautiful thing for humanity.
Coming back to the racial question and this is going to prove very insightful for the topic itself because it wasn't posted as an accusation but much more as a signal for awareness, you'll see why: I would very much like to do what you did some day but (there's the but already) if I want that child or those children to be happy and involved within the wider family, they should not be black or Asian. They can be Caucasian all they like from the West up until Russian. Those are standards that others will require for my adoption children to be allowed to get involved. And that's a very sad prospect, and also one which is unfortunately hard to change.

Should I disregard all that, and say f to all, I'd actually actively look for the most disadvantaged kid and yes they will be black, dark, yellow, Asian, whatever...And I would happily accept that child, love it, raise it, have fun with it and make it forget all of the sadness that it had almost been destined to. But it wouldn't have any frequent access to other family save our little home, because I would very likely have to move somewhere else.

So it's an either or. Either it will have family and it will encounter prejudice or it would have to be raised in a rather isolated environment.

It's a complex issue that one day I hope to find the answer to.

[Sérénité]

Actually breaks my heart to read things like this article. Any child is a blessing. People who are choosing whether to adopt a child or not determined by the colour of their skin should not be allowed to adopt in the first place. They are not acceptable role models for the century in which we live.
I was brought up around racists family members and even as a child, their senseless skin colour issues angered me beyond belief.

So it now makes me feel proud to have raised children who do not even notice a persons skin colour, its irrelevant to them. They don't judge anyone on anything apart from how they speak to and treat them in general and its a beautiful trait.

Its this next generation we need to work on and maybe in 20 years time, prejudice of any sort will be a thing of the past.

[DNA]

The title of this thread is a bit misleading and not really contributing anything positive.

The thread could just as easily be titled "people prefer adopting children of their own ethnicity".
Would that title shock or offend anyone? No it wouldn't, because it would be a no brainer. Kind of like yea duh, no kidding.
And this isn't necesarily a racial thing. A lot of times folks want to keep the adoption a secret from the kid.

[Flash]

I agree with your comment DNA. This is much nearer the truth. However we must admit that racism is rampant in America, a bit less but still here in canada too and also in Turkey where i lived for a while. I was also subjected to reverse racism in Mexico when i lived there (hated because white gringa).

So yes people will adopt in their ethnicities, it is a natural in the today's world. This is also the demonstration of how backward we are as a specie.

From space earth and men are one.

[Flash]

Nice serenity to be representing the new human. Violet, i bet anything that events would be different than you think where you to adopt from another ethnicity. You would see who has hearth, cause these would overcome their paradigms for your children.

Mini Flash has two cousins that were adopted. They are black. Some of her friends are black, asians, south americans. She truly does not see a difference, even when these friends think there is, my daughter is always surprised of perceived differences, because she does not see it, she sees each one personnality and temperament.

So here the new being if we let them be.

[Violet]

Finally found the original article (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/16/world/international-adoption-us-children-adopted-abroad/index.html) and the controversial, original, quote:


"Most American families were, and still are, interested in adopting a white infant. (...)" said Kirsh, former president of the American Academy of Adoption Attorneys.

[Flash]

By the way Mini Flash is of mixed ethnicity even if she is almost powder white . In my family we are a blend of oldFrench, Dutch. And native Abenakis Indians. On her dad, a mix of Russian and central asians (turks tribes named tatars from the asian steps). So, most of America is like that, who are we to decide one color/ethnic group is better than another one.

[Violet]

Perhaps DNA's comment can give a bit more insight in the problem.

There are adoption parents that want to keep it a secret (don't know if it's the right choice in the long run but it happens), so these people, if they're white, are also in that group of white preference and their motivation indeed is not based on a racial issue.

[Mark]

This is America's "Original Sin". So many still won't address it honestly, even in the Alternative Community. Look within themselves to find that kernel of race-based preference that makes them hesitant to address their own prejudices in the light of greater social forces. There is so much resistance to this reality on this particular topic, even here. There is no interest in it or a constant attempt to change it into something else.

If it can't happen within a group of people of extended understanding of the world and how it works in general, I wonder how it is going to happen in time to save this planet. The heart of compassion, of oneness. The unity of the human family. It sounds so simple. But it seems to be the hardest thing in the world.

[ulli]

This is America's "Original Sin". So many still won't address it honestly, even in the Alternative Community. Look within themselves to find that kernel of race-based preference that makes them hesitant to address their own prejudices in the light of greater social forces. There is so much resistance to this reality on this particular topic, even here. There is no interest in it or a constant attempt to change it into something else.

If it can't happen within a group of people of extended understanding of the world and how it works in general, I wonder how it is going to happen in time to save this planet. The heart of compassion, of oneness. The unity of the human family. It sounds so simple. But it seems to be the hardest thing in the world.

Maybe their concerns are racist, maybe not at all...and their concerns are for the future of the child,
having to live in a racist country, and so they are simply being realistic.
I have had two childhood friends who were racially mixed and adopted in an all white country (Germany) and theirs was not an easy life.
Some parents want to adopt because they can't have a child of their own,
while others want to adopt to give a child a chance of a better life, and even a privileged education.

The only way for the US is to allow more mixed neighborhoods,
and stop large housing projects...urban developments, with fixed price ranges.

Selling plots of land, and let each family build their own homes, without planning.
I've seen how this will mix all kinds of people in a much healthier way.

Kids will then grow up without knowing racial divides, which basically start with the word "neighborhood".

P.S. in my opinion the original sin of the US is greed.

[Mark]

Case in point. I'll probably allow y'all to discuss these issues amongst yourselves from now on out.

[ulli]

Case in point. I'll probably allow y'all to discuss these issues amongst yourselves from now on out.

Us idealists always live in hope that one day all this will end.
It is really a disgusting state of affairs, and I was not trying to diminish racism with my statement about greed.
I simply see greed as an underlying cause of racism.
Looking at the general trend world-wide, however, I see hope...
and the true pioneers here are interracial couples, who produce mixed race children rather than
couples who adopt.

[DNA]

Perhaps DNA's comment can give a bit more insight in the problem.

There are adoption parents that want to keep it a secret (don't know if it's the right choice in the long run but it happens), so these people, if they're white, are also in that group of white preference and their motivation indeed is not based on a racial issue.

When one is starting a family it is your sphere you are concerned with before that of the greater world's concerns.
It is not necessarily a philanthropic act when one is preparing to adopt.

I do not know the statistics, but I would guess a greater percentage of people looking to adopt are doing so because they cannot have a child of their own because of physical and or fertility issues.

A lot of times there are stigmas associated with not being able to have a child of your own, as such, you are trying not to advertise the origins of your child by adopting a child of another race.


People act like this stuff doesn't matter.
But when it is your world and your life, it does.

[Kindling]

DNA, you make a great point! I don't think there is anything wrong with someone choosing to adopt children of the same race. Adoption is such a personal process. Some people don't feel comfortable dealing with the issues that come along with parenting a child of a different race.

I don't think we should ever discourage someone from being completely honest about what they are truly okay with when it comes to adoption. I think the adoption will be much more successful and the family much happier if they are honest. This not only applies to race but to mental and physical disabilities, age, sibling groups, etc...

When we adopted the boys we went through some parenting and child development courses with other waiting adoptive parents. Getting to know them we learned that we all had very different ideas about the children we thought we could parent successfully and that it was really okay to say no to conditions we were uncomfortable with.

Speaking of being honest, it's pretty disturbing to think of someone choosing same race adoption just to keep it a secret from the child, eeks.



Thanks Kindling for sharing this beautiful story. I admire your and your family's strength to take up such a big task. You've done a beautiful thing for humanity.
Coming back to the racial question and this is going to prove very insightful for the topic itself because it wasn't posted as an accusation but much more as a signal for awareness, you'll see why: I would very much like to do what you did some day but (there's the but already) if I want that child or those children to be happy and involved within the wider family, they should not be black or Asian. They can be Caucasian all they like from the West up until Russian. Those are standards that others will require for my adoption children to be allowed to get involved. And that's a very sad prospect, and also one which is unfortunately hard to change.

Should I disregard all that, and say f to all, I'd actually actively look for the most disadvantaged kid and yes they will be black, dark, yellow, Asian, whatever...And I would happily accept that child, love it, raise it, have fun with it and make it forget all of the sadness that it had almost been destined to. But it wouldn't have any frequent access to other family save our little home, because I would very likely have to move somewhere else.

So it's an either or. Either it will have family and it will encounter prejudice or it would have to be raised in a rather isolated environment.

It's a complex issue that one day I hope to find the answer to.

Thank you Violet! We asked ourselves these exact same questions before we adopted. I understand your concerns so well! Your concerns are very valid and they are for the child. You are right that it is a very complex issue.

You know, in most cases it probably is best for a child to stay with a family of the same race/ethnicity, in my opinion. The problem is that too many people want white infants and that leaves a lot of children waiting in a very broken foster care system.

Oh goodness, there were members of my family who were not okay with us adopting our daughter. Many extended family members had a problem with it but close family members were my main concern. My Dad had a difficult time with it. I loved him and going forward with the adoption I knew I would have to be patient with him. He came around and so did other members of the family. I like to think that being challenged by such a situation caused them to grow spiritually.

A couple of really ignorant friends told us that some people wouldn't want to be around us if we adopted a black child. We told them that that was great! I loved that we would know that about them now and not have to be around people like that, fantastic filter.

Violet if you feel good about adopting a child of a different race or any disadvantaged child I'd definitely say f to all. Things really do work out. Of course only you know your situation so only you can make that decision. You sure seem to have the heart for it :-).

I have learned that there are more good people in the world than I thought, but I've also learned that racism is alive and well. Before adopting my children I didn't understand just how much racism minorities still deal with on a daily basis.

[Observer1964]

No matter the present racial situation, logicly all races will mix until there is one race that is a mixture of all present races. racist can eat their heart out.. :p

[Flash]

Rakhyt, come back. If someone here has true undersanding of the situation, here on Avalon, it is you. You may as well tell us how we generate racism without even perceiving it. This was surely how you felt for leaving the thread. WE are as ignorant of our unconscious behaviors, that are often extremely well observable by other. Like a macho men who think he is just helping by overprotecting and limiting the freedom of his women. He does not see what he does.

Forgive us and tell us.

thanks

[Violet]

I do hope too that you can reconsider participating, Rahkyt.

Your post (together with other members') was very insightful to me personally as to how debates about these sensitive matters are experienced by the different parties. I feel that we should use this opportunity here on Avalon to discuss this taboo in all - both - adultness and honesty. That is of course, if you feel like it. No force.

Although, I also understand that often times - at least - in my country when a foreigner/immigrant stands up to complain about a foreigner-related issue they're done away with as weak people playing out "the victim role". I've seen that happen so much and (although at times true) it can make me angry because it's wilfully used as a means to make these people shut up and "disappear"; they and their problems become invisible and everybody can have a comfortable life again without always having to hear about silly immigrant issues.

I hope I can speak for the whole Avalon-community when I say, we don't do it that way here.

[161803398]

The colour of a person's skin is only related to how much sun your ancestors were exposed to...going back about 80K years of course. But that's it...Sun. A white person from Norway could be more genetically similar to a black person in Africa than another person in Norway etc etc.

[161803398]

I knew a white girl who was a journalist who went to China and came back a little traumatized. She was in some little place and the people there told her she was ugly and that she smelled like an old wet dog. Many years later, I was talking to a Korean friend who commented on the new people from India in Canada saying they smelled bad so I told her the story about the white people smelling like old wet dogs to the Chinese. As soon as I mentioned old wet dog, my Korean friend's sister, who is very polite and quiet, piped up and said...as if she was slowing recalling something: "old wet dog....old wet dog....I know that".

There is "racism" everywhere and some of its not really racism. Some of it is just people being uncomfortable with things that are different. Some people love differences; other people dislike them. A lot of people would like everyone to be exactly the same as they are because otherwise they don't feel right. |This smaller issue is pumped up by people in whose interest it is to keep people separate from each other.

On the other hand, there are people who are very racist....most of them, in my experience, having personal issues or a low intelligence. However, I live in Canada so I don't know all the variations. I find some new Chinese people to be a little racist....they think white people don't raise their kids properly...at least that's what I'm told by Chinese people. And some don't like their kids to marry white people.

I think one of the biggest issues I find, with myself, is that, I'm really into history and most of the history I know is from Northern Europe. I don't really relate to history from, say, Italy or China....although I did recently get into some middle eastern history because I know so many middle eastern people. But when my Chinese friends talk about Chinese history I draw a blank and I don't really have anything to say.

Then there is a kind of discomfort being in a crowd of people all of whom having the same different culture from your own. It can be fun or it can be overwhelming....but if you like being overwhelmed it's okay for while; i guess it could get frustrating after a long time.

There are a few groups of white supremacists in Northern B.C. At present, its a subject of amazement to most people. There is also racism in the police to quite a degree when it comes to Indians in Northern B.C....although I'm suspicious of that because I think it might have a great deal to do with the sexual inclinations of some groups we don't know much about and in whose interests it is to preserve the sexual slave trade.

However, some of the racism is imbedded in the language that people use not realizing it...again created by some of the perverts who colonized northern b.c. early on. Some of the words have been changed now...for instance the "Band" is now called the "Village" and if you say "Band office" instead of "Village office" you can get a $10.00 fine.

There is really nothing you can say about someone feeling not totally comfortable with your culture. Its impossible to change that feeling without knowing the person well enough to be brutally honest. I have some very good friends from other cultures and we can say to each other "your culture sucks" at times. It has to be said sometimes.

There's an odd, subtler kind of racism that people aren't aware of. I think its not really racism...just unfamiliarity discomfort. I recall an incident at a pub in northern b.c. I had just come back from Ireland where my family lives. A group of business types came in and we started talking. They were all white guys from Terrace except for one black guy. I asked the black guy if he ever went to Africa (because I was going back and forth to Ireland a lot). When I asked that question, all the white guys freaked out....Duh? They told me I was a racist and they all left...except the black guy. After they left, he came over to sit next to me and he said he wanted to show me something. He gave me his business card and asked me what I could see on the card. Right in the middle was a tiny map of the continent of Africa. After that we talked a lot about his trips there. He said something about the white guys...he said they were his friends but they didn't know. I will never forget that experience.

Some of my family on my mother's side came from Iceland and they were fisher people. When my parents came here they liked to sit down at the local beach and go fishing. Many years later, i went down to the local beach and it was covered with brown people sitting there with their kids and going fishing. I went with another woman i know from the dog park and we both have dogs. The woman I was with gravitates toward to lower vibrations I would say. She commented on the beach being covered with Chinese people...in a negative tone. They were not rich people for sure...they were brown...but not from China...I'd say Southeast Asia. But what I saw, in spite of the negative commentary was people something like my parents sitting together at the beach and fishing. Brown, yes. But different? Probably not very much. So I went to sit down on a log closeby as opposed to the other side of the beach where my friend wanted to go. I have to say everyone was a bit...only a bit...surprised and then some of the brown people came to talk to me. I don't really care what anyone thought.

So, I'd say white people not adopting brown or black kids could have a lot to do with being worried about differences and being unable to handle them. Its not always easy. Do black or brown people adopt white kids?

ah....http://www.creatingafamily.org/blog/transracial-adoption-twist-black-parents-adopting-white-kids/:

" When the little white girl came to live with us — three years old, doughy face, Irish freckles, and deep red hair — we faced immediate, unanticipated obstacles, many of which were internal. For example, I hadn’t considered how often we talked about white people at home. I hadn’t realized that dinnertime stories were rarely told without referencing the race of the players. I was also oblivious how frequently I used racial stereotypes. We began diligently censoring ourselves. Of course we’ve routinely adjusted our language and behavior for the sake of our white peers, neighbors, bosses and friends, but this little girl lives with us, which requires code switching and code creating at home. …It has required more vigilance than I ever suspected; and I had long considered myself a fairly enlightened person.

Even though transracial adoptions are en vogue, many people (especially white people) are troubled when they see us out together. At the park in our historic Baltimore neighborhood where adopted Asian kids play with their white siblings without a blink, we are greeted with uneasy curiosity. We don’t receive the knowing smile and assumption of family that those other adoptive families enjoy. White park-goers often assume (out loud) that my graying mother-in-law is the girl’s nanny. Given close enough proximity, white people are almost always compelled to question our relationship with her. “So who do we have here” they ask, hardly veiling their anxiety. Even white friends and colleagues from the progressive private school in which I work are clearly disquieted, despite the fact that middle-class white parents with adopted Romanian, Asian or black children are in growing number there. “Oh this must be your little foster child.” A colleague announced loudly outside a kiddie concert held on campus. Our little girl was troubled; her family secret had been publically revealed and she didn’t understand how or why. I was doubly upset because I couldn’t even carp freely about the indirect racial prejudice and insensitivity of this white person when I returned home."

I did know a very dark complexioned Costa Rican guy married to a black woman who, contrary to what I was taught in my high school science class, always had blond kids with blue eyes. Then there was my white friend Marilyn who never said a word and took me to her house for dinner one day. Marilyn, your entire family except for you is black...well, a couple of brownish ones.

[Observer1964]

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[Violet]

N°16 that's an amazing account of experiences!

Ever so thanks. I like the story about black people adopting a white child against all odds too.

[CD7]

AMERICANS WANT to stop being stereo typed!! Thts wht they want.... :wizard:

[marlowe]

No matter the present racial situation, logicly all races will mix until there is one race that is a mixture of all present races. racist can eat their heart out.. :p

I doubt this will come to pass......Most people want to be with their own kind despite the attempt by Holloywood to show race mixing in many of the movies being released these days....
Here is an incomplete list of movies that do that....167 and counting

http://www.jeffandcorey.com/EGIL.html

[161803398]

Most people want to be with their own kind Well, if you ever see a bunch of Irish people on holiday and tell them Hey, I just met some other Irish people over there thataway -- youll see them go fast in the opposite direction. I don't have a clue what my own kind is....except I notice I sometimes prefer intelligent people...and they aren't colour coded unfortunately. I wish they were coz they'd be easier to find. A lot of times, I prefer kind people...no colour code on them either. BUT having said that there is a connection people make with each other after they have lived in the same area with each other a long time that is absolutely electrical. We hardly ever see that here in North America because people move around so much. But i think that doesn't depend on anything except deep familiarity resulting from generations of experience.

It could be that I have no hope for ever meeting my own kind. When Im in Canada Im kinda Irish but Canadian; when I'm in Ireland Im kinda Canadian but Irish and even there there is a problem because Im kinda Southern Irish and Kinda Northern Irish so when Im in the North, im not quite northern Irish and when Im in the South, im not quite Southern Irish....I think there is no hope for me. Maybe I should just stick with my dog.

But wait....I recently discovered in a kind of blind taste test on another forum that the people i talked to the most over a period of years were all Chinese. hmmmm?

Years ago in Ireland there was a lot of talk about inbreeding. They said that cancer or TB was so common in Ireland because they were so inbred. They aren't very politically correct in Ireland and I remember talking to a guy who said: "What we really need in Ireland is a boatload of Japanese women...of course we'd all end up with slanty eyes but what the hell...we'd still be Irish".

[Flash]

Well I am French Canadian and I usually recognize a French Canadian wherever I am in the world by their way of walking (no kidding, absolutely no kidding). Then, their way of talking is quite similar, etc etc. We definitely are a specific recognizible group of people, racially too - genetic studies are made here in Quebec and Newfoundland, because we are both not that mixed.

Yet, there is cultural patterns of qualities and defects, and, as for the Irish, w.e are attracted to the difference, the "exotic". So at the same time that there is discrimination sometimes, at the same time there is attractiveness.

Montreal being different, being reaaaally cosmopolitain and diversified.

[marlowe]

There is a thing called imprinting ...A child or animal IMPRINTS on his/her parents
if their childhood is normal...So women tend to be attracted to men who look like their father IF their relationship with their father was a good one.
See link: http://www.livescience.com/1611-women-prefer-men-dad.html
This is a well understood idea among psychologist/biologists.

Now here is where the idea of Hollywood putting race mixing in many of their recent movies comes in...
When I was 11 years old I saw To Kill A Mockingbird and fell for Scout played by Mary Badham. My high school sweetheart looked & acted like Scout and the next great love of my life was an even closer match to Scout. I only figured this out a couple of years ago when I watched Mockingbird again after not seeing it for about 50 years. When I saw it the first time I was deeply affected.

African Americans represent about 14 % of the total population of the USA
yet they are over represented in advertising,TV,and movies. TPTB own & control the main stream media and it is clear to me that race mixing is a part of their agenda.
The next time you watch a big budget Hollywood movie ,especially if it is a heavely advertised pop corn movie for all ages, I'm willing to bet there is race mixing in it.

[marlowe]

No matter the present racial situation, logicly all races will mix until there is one race that is a mixture of all present races. racist can eat their heart out.. :p

This poster seems to gloating at the prospect of the extinction of blue eyed & blonde haired people...

Hmmmmmmmmmm...sounds like racist to my ears...

BTW If this were to happen there wouldn't be any blue eyes or blonde haired people since those genes are recessive when crossed with brown eyes & black hair......or blue eyes would be extremely rare....

But again I doubt if this will happen....

[161803398]

no...with the Irish its usually because of what they call the "news of the world".....that is wherever you are...whatever you do....your mom in Tipp will hear about it in the morning from someone...you could be in China...doesn't matter.

[marlowe]

No matter the present racial situation, logicly all races will mix until there is one race that is a mixture of all present races. racist can eat their heart out.. :p

You Think ?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQF-l9NBtX8

[heretogrow]

We are one race already THE HUMAN RACE! Often I wish everyone could be colorblind so we could get past this embarrassing issue of people being judged by the color of their skin. If there is any sin on earth it is passing judgment on a brother or sister from this planet by using this as a criteria.

[heretogrow]

Please excuse the double post but this is an issue very near and dear to my heart. I have family members who have suffered and that is a mild word, from the fact that skin color is made an issue. My daughter saw love, not color and did not even realize we had family members of different colors until she was in second grade and only then she learned to see color in school. What does that tell you.

And the reason it is such a sensitive issue is beacause if you are considered of the right color, you can never understand the pain suffered by those who are not. Until it is a non-issue the pain will always be there.

I apologize for the rant. If it wasn't so important to me I would not have done it. We have such a long way to go...

[Violet]

Please excuse the double post but this is an issue very near and dear to my heart. I have family members who have suffered and that is a mild word, from the fact that skin color is made an issue. My daughter did not even realize we had family members of different colors until she was in second grade and only then she learned to see color in school. What does that tell you.

And the reason it is such a sensitive issue is beacause if you are considered of the right color, you can never understand the pain suffered by those who are not. Until it is a non-issue the pain will always be there.

I apologize for the rant. If it wasn't so important to me I would not have done it. We have such a long way to go...

When I started this post I honestly doubted a little. Why?

I'm talking about Americans in the midst of Americans and I'm not American (there's an "agreed upon" set of topics you can bring up in such conversations without risking all too much).

And also, what if my topic grew out to cause more negative energy being directed towards any involved party?

On the other hand, difficult though the subject be, apartheid for instance didn't break down because it suddenly got the flu. It's the people that started thinking about the (missing) logic of it.

So, thinking of all this now, I understand that nonetheless people might be offended and for that, I'd like to grab the opportunity to say sorry.

[Violet]

No matter the present racial situation, logicly all races will mix until there is one race that is a mixture of all present races. racist can eat their heart out.. :p

You Think ?




That's one pretty girl singing pretty things Marlowe.

[heretogrow]

Dear Violet you do not have to apologize to me. I am not upset by you bringing this to our attention at all. Your thread is meaningful. I am just frustrated that as a human family we have not yet moved past the outside shell and learned to look inside at the heart and soul. That is what I mean by we have a long way to go.

I am also sorry if I have made you feel uneasy by my posts. I should learn to be more tactful. I get very protective of those who have been hurt and I post from emotion sometimes. I should learn to take a few deep breaths first. This misunderstanding has been a gentle reminder of that to me and I thank you for that.

EDIT:
I reread the post where you quoted mine only to see that you were saying sorry to the group as a whole. As you can see I responded as if it was just to me. I take this way to personal don't I. It would be good for me just to wish you all much love, and no longer post on this topic.

PS- I am not going to feel better until I apologize to everyone here. I am filling my heart with love and sending it to you.

[RunningDeer]

Dear Violet you do not have to apologize to me. I am not upset by you bringing this to our attention at all. Your thread is meaningful. I am just frustrated that as a human family we have not yet moved past the outside shell and learned to look inside at the heart and soul. That is what I mean by we have a long way to go.

I am also sorry if I have made you feel uneasy by my posts. I should learn to be more tactful. I get very protective of those who have been hurt and I post from emotion sometimes. I should learn to take a few deep breaths first. This misunderstanding has been a gentle reminder of that to me and I thank you for that.

EDIT:
I reread the post where you quoted mine only to see that you were saying sorry to the group as a whole. As you can see I responded as if it was just to me. I take this way to personal don't I. It would be good for me just to wish you all much love, and no longer post on this topic.

PS- I am not going to feel better until I apologize to everyone here. I am filling my heart with love and sending it to you.


We are one race already THE HUMAN RACE! Often I wish everyone could be colorblind so we could get past this embarrassing issue of people being judged by the color of their skin. If there is any sin on earth it is passing judgment on a brother or sister from this planet by using this as a criteria.


http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif Gosh, HereToGrow, I read this and say what's there to apologize for? If we had more 'HereToGrows' in the world, it'd be a much different place. Thankfully, it's coming!

http://www.pic4ever.com/images/bliss.gifNow if you know how to fold time-space layers or tie knots in timelines so they don't go all twisty....have at it. Cuz, I'm sick 'n' tired of three steps forward and two steps backwards.

Hearts,
Paula :wave:

[Lone Bean]

Gosh. I have two kids adopted from China. I never even gave serious thought about trying to adopt a white child. We thought about adopting a mixed-raced child but decided they would do better socially with mixed-raced/or black parents. We discussed the issue at length with others whose advice we trusted and personally really did want a mixed race or a black baby. I sometimes feel remorse for not going ahead and adopting one since I've seen so many white parents in my area lately with adopted black babies :) But I'm exceedingly blessed with our two girls and wouldn't change a thing. And in the adoptive community I belong too, I never see a white baby as the adoptive baby. They're either Chinese, Korean, Indian, and African, a few Russian (I guess they'd be considered "white" but we just don't think about it like that).

[161803398]

DONT WORRY!!! I think if you mix all the colours up - you come out with something like Italians. Yay, Italy!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?MHlYwdBqlb8

[161803398]

I think the latest genetic evidence is that we all from Africa...that means, long, long time ago, everyone was black...has to be the case because the black skin is a result of the degree of exposure to the Sun. Now, the big mystery is Sumeria and how did this ancient culture suddenly appear, full blown and civilized...something like the ancient pyramids. Were they from space? Or is there is better explanation of where they came from...somewhere closer...somewhere modern European culture would not like to admit to....somewhere on that dark, mysterious continent whose history has been totally suppressed for thousands of years now....whose people have been suppressed...perhaps because no one wants to know the truth.

The world is changing fast as it has changed before...I hope the future generations of people in the world will laugh at us for being so blind.