North by north east, huge star/planet?

[sheme]

Last night off to bed as usual, got snuggled down, then had a voice in head moment to look out the window it was a very bright high moon on my RHS and out of the windows frame. That which captivated my interest was a comparatively huge very bright star just above the horizon on my left I watched it for about 30 minutes -long enough to se it rise in the night sky. Can anyone identify this for me would it be Venus?

will look again tonight if it's clear.

This was between 12mn and 1am I Guess.

[Sérénité]

Hi Sheme do you have a smart phone? There's an app I find useful called Planets. You can hold the phone up and twirl round and in 3d mode it shows what planets are where, pretty much spot on.
I notice the star your possibly speaking of every night, its right infront of my door as I lock up every night on a clear night, around 11pm pretty much just off to the right of dead North.

I think its in the Cassiopeia constellation and the star is possibly Rho Cassiopeia?

[sheme]

No I don't even have a mobile phone, I have a philips planisphere but not sure how to use that came up with Rigel but no other stars seen? Thank you for taking the time to reply.

Looking at Planisphere again it could be Arcturus from the Bootes constellation?

[pyrangello]

yeah one of the guys at work has that phone, one morning we were looking at the stars, we all got in early and as he moved the phone in the sky the constellations moved with it, one of the coolest applications I have ever seen .

[Flash]

Hi Sheme do you have a smart phone? There's an app I find useful called Planets. You can hold the phone up and twirl round and in 3d mode it shows what planets are where, pretty much spot on.
I notice the star your possibly speaking of every night, its right infront of my door as I lock up every night on a clear night, around 11pm pretty much just off to the right of dead North.

I think its in the Cassiopeia constellation and the star is possibly Rho Cassiopeia?

The same app exist for laptop, you move your laptop around (mine was on GPS automatically - new laptop, I de activated the tracker for GPS, but to look at the sky I would have to reactivate it). I just installed it few days ago on my laptop.

Those around the world have to have your earth coordinate Scheme to be able to guess on what you saw.

Flying saucers often appears like stars, but they end up being moving stars lol. Did yours move?

[sheme]

This was definately a star -well it moved in the sky like one. I live in Herefordshire where the Red and white cows come from.

[ghostrider]

It looks beautiful in the night sky doesn't it ...

[sheme]

I have just ordered some binoculars this will help and tomorrow I will dig out my compass thanks for your input, I will look to the east again tonight.

[ghostrider]

a 50 dollar telescope from walmart will show you things that will blow your mind and silence the skeptics , you can see the four moons clearly ...

[Bill Ryan]

that was part of the timeslip , it shouldn't be there, I have been following that thing since 2011 ... it has four moons/satelites , I look at it with my telescope ... some said it's mercury , nope , then jupiter , nope , then a comet nope , comets don't change shape and color , planets don't stay in exactly the same place , My personal opinion is it's an EMV , I had an experience with it two or three nights ago , whatever it is , it loves us , and will talk to you if you listen ... when I tried to talk to it the first time , it went bright , then dim , then bright, and said hello been waiting for you to believe without fear , I ingored it , it went normal , I talked again , same result it went back to slow blinking and made me calm , it changed shape and color many times ...

This is the kind of post that makes intelligent members leave the thread, never to return. (Really!)

And the thread subject itself doesn't help much. No way to know for sure what sheme is looking at unless she uses an app on an iPhone or iPad, or several others that are for regular computers. And as Sérénité and Flash said above, there are quite a few to choose from, which work pretty well to identify bright stars and planets. There's also Google Sky, wich is very useful if you know how to navigate around. Otherwise, we're all guessing, as ghostrider was.

Dedicated and helpful members with this kind of software could help, but only if we know


The fairly exact magnetic bearing of the object (would need a compass for this)
The approximate height above the horizon
Your physical location (North America? Europe? Australia? It makes a lot of difference.)
The exact time and date of the observation. (Early evening? Midnight? Early morning? The stars all move relative to the Earth, all the time!)

[pine boy]

Sheme,This program will show you your sky in realtime.
Check it out when you question what you are seeing.

http://www.skyviewcafe.com/skyview.php

[sheme]

Dear Bill I feel I am irritating you this is not my intention. all the very best to you and yours.

[Lettherebelight]

From the direction description (north-northeast), my Sky Safari suggests it could be Capella?:

"Alpha Aurigae - Capella
Capella is the brightest star in the constellation Auriga, marking the left shoulder of the Charioteer - a prominent irregular pentagon of stars. Capella is of magnitude 0.08, almost as bright as Vega, making it the 6th brightest star in the night sky. It distinguishes itself by being the first-magnitude star closest to the pole. Five degrees southwest of Capella is a small triangle of stars known as "The Kids", or baby goats.

Capella's name in Latin means "the little she-goat". It rises on The northeastern horizon during the latter part of August, and for this reason is sometimes known as the "Harvest Star".

Components

Capella, at a distance of 42 light years, is one of the sky's most famous double stars. Its two components are both yellow class G stars with roughly the same surface temperature as the Sun, but are much larger and brighter. One is 50 times more luminous than the Sun, the other 80 times more luminous. Both are about 10 times the Sun's diameter. The two stars, just below the edge of visible separability in the best telescopes, are about 60 million miles apart - about 2/3 the distance between Earth and Sun - and orbit each other with a period of 104 days. From this, we find their masses to be about 2.5 times the Sun's.

Capella also has a faint companion that is itself a double, made up of two dim red class M dwarfs which orbit a good fraction of a light year away."


http://astrobob.areavoices.com/astrobob/images/Capella.jpg
It is very bright on a clear night, especially now. I love the night sky this time of year. But I would agree, without co-ordinates, one can't be sure. Sorry about the earlier copy error!

[Tangri]

Hi Sheme do you have a smart phone? There's an app I find useful called Planets. You can hold the phone up and twirl round and in 3d mode it shows what planets are where, pretty much spot on.
I notice the star your possibly speaking of every night, its right infront of my door as I lock up every night on a clear night, around 11pm pretty much just off to the right of dead North.

I think its in the Cassiopeia constellation and the star is possibly Rho Cassiopeia?

The same app exist for laptop, you move your laptop around (mine was on GPS automatically - new laptop, I de activated the tracker for GPS, but to look at the sky I would have to reactivate it). I just installed it few days ago on my laptop.

Those around the world have to have your earth coordinate Scheme to be able to guess on what you saw.

Flying saucers often appears like stars, but they end up being moving stars lol. Did yours move?

Is there any free and trusted software for it?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hey you, OP!


By Bruce McClure and Deborah Byrd in
TONIGHT | ASTRONOMY ESSENTIALS | SPACE on Sep 16, 2013
September 2013 guide to the five visible planets
Saturn, via NASA
Saturn, via NASA
Venus and Saturn will be close together – in the same binocular field – from September 15 to 21. Info and charts here.

http://en.es-static.us/upl/2013/09/2013-sept-17-saturn-venus-zubenelgenubi-night-sky-chart1.jpg


Best photos of moon and Venus on September 8

Two planets appear in the September evening sky all month: Venus and Saturn. Venus beams in the west at dusk, and sets roughly one and one-half hours after sunset in early September and two hours after the sun in late September (at mid-northern latitudes). Saturn shines in the southwest sky at nightfall and stays out about three hours after sunset in early September and about one and one-half hours after the sun by the month’s end.

Keep a close eye on Venus and Saturn. Venus will climb upward from the sunset glare while Saturn falls toward it. It’s inevitable that the two will meet. Venus and Saturn will be in the same binocular field from September 15 to 21.

Mars and Jupiter rise in the east a few to several hours hours before dawn throughout September. In early September, Jupiter rises more than 4 hours before the sun while Mars comes up about three hours before sunrise. By month’s end, Jupiter will rise around midnight (daylight-saving time) and Mars around 3 a.m. (daylight-saving time).

http://www.space.com/13905-2-bright-stars-night-sky-venus-jupiter.html
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/ataglance


This Week's Sky at a Glance
Some night sky sights for September 20 – 28

by Alan M. MacRobert

Sky & Telescope
Friday, September 20
Saturn is still 4° to the upper right of bright Venus in twilight, as shown here. Watch it move farther from Venus each evening.
As summer nears its end, orange Antares blinks its bleary seasonal farewell low in the southwest after dusk. The farther north you are, the sooner Antares sinks out of sight.
Saturday, September 21

After the last of twilight has faded away, the Northern Cross in Cygnus floats near the zenith (for skywatchers at mid-northern latitudes). Without looking: Do you know which way its long end points? If you guessed southwest, you're right.
Sunday, September 22

The September equinox occurs at 4:44 p.m. EDT today, when the Sun crosses the equator heading south for the season. Fall begins in the Northern Hemisphere, spring in the Southern Hemisphere.
As summer ends, the Sagittarius Teapot moves to the west of south during evening and tips increasingly far over, as if pouring out summer's last drops.
Monday, September 23

Altair shines due south very high after dark. It's the leading light of the constellation Aquila, the Eagle. Off the tail of Aquila lies the Scutum Star Cloud, with the grand open cluster M11 just below the dark nebula Barnard 111. See Gary Seronik's Binocular Highlight column and finder chart in the September Sky & Telescope, page 45.
View in bright twilight
While twilight is still bright, use binoculars to try the challenge of catching Mercury and Spica in conjunction very low.
Sky & Telescope
Tuesday, September 24
Mercury and Spica are in conjunction just 3/4° apart, very low in the west-southwest in bright twilight. About 20 minutes after sunset, use binoculars to look for them 22° to the lower right of Venus. Mercury is magnitude –0.1. Spica is only a third as bright at magnitude +1.0.
Wednesday, September 25

The Moon rises late this evening (around 11 p.m. depending on your location), with Aldebaran well to its upper right and brighter Capella farther to its upper left. Earlier, spot these two stars when they're low to judge where the Moon will rise.
Thursday, September 26

Last-quarter Moon tonight (exact at 11:55 p.m. EDT). The Moon rises around 11 or midnight local time, shining in the feet of Gemini. Jupiter is to its lower left, as shown below, and Orion is farther to its right.
Before the first light of dawn
Before dawn, watch the Moon pass Jupiter in Gemini.
Sky & Telescope
Friday, September 27
The Moon, a day past last quarter, rises by 1 a.m. tonight (Saturday morning the 28th), with Jupiter shining to its upper left as shown here. Can you spot Delta Geminorum, magnitude 3.6, just ½° below Jupiter?
Saturday, September 28

This is the time of year when, in mid-evening, W-shaped Cassiopeia stands on end halfway up the northeastern sky — and when, off to its left, the dim Little Dipper extends straight leftward from Polaris in the north.


http://media.skyandtelescope.com/images/WEBvic13_Sep20ev.jpg

[CD7]

Dear Bill I feel I am irritating you this is not my intention. My enquiry is out of genuine curiosity. perhaps we should pass an IQ test to see if we are up to the mark before we are allowed to become members. You have succeeded in making me feel stupid and inferior, but you cannot dampen my curiosity. I hope what ever is worrying you frees you soon. all the very best to you and yours.:p


I feel for you scheme...not sure who's post Bill quoted? Was it removed? So not sure if he was referring to you or ghostrider? BUT in any event using words that make someone feel devalued is not nice...

If its any consolation Ive been told by Bill one of my posts was not "intelligent" either and it was removed....That can really hurt a person...Ego mostly but it can still effect a being

I can understand perhaps frustration at threads/posts that someone cannot relate too or really doesn't think its worth much...however attacking someone's intelligence, I feel is not fair. It could be stated in a different way, instead of it being so "personal"

We are All expressing in different ways...exploring ideas...it will not always come out in a way that someone else deems of value, worthy, or intelligent in their eyes. Words can hurt another, more so then actually hitting someone...I believe. When u hit someone with words, you are actually hitting them on the INside...
I didn't speak up when it had to do with me, because I dealt with it in my own way...but theres something about seeing it being done to someone else and knowing the hurt it can create....

SO I feel for you, and don't let it get to you...curiosity is nothing to be ashamed of!

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

this thread is getting LOTS of guest action @_@ lol

many starwatchers are very active in September, i.e. last year's Venus/Regulus thing was a big deal, etc

[sheme]

Thank you for your empathy CD7 it is appreciated greatly, I don't think Bill means to offend we all get frustrated sometimes and at least we are given the opportunuty to reply,.

This was all meant to be -as I signed off PA and found myself listening to the most interesting interview I have ever listened to I will go and post the details so that others may listen to it. It is from Teal Scott she talks of many things that people like us want to know the answers to, she explains who our enimies are which extra terrestrials are friends which are not to be trusted and what their motives are, Teal anounces that she has incarnated and is in fact from the 6th dimention an Arcturian, she is here like all the other extra terrestrials to help us, and to experience the thrill of the most rapidly expanding place in the galaxy. Loaded with information I believe every word!

[ThePythonicCow]

Dear Bill I feel I am irritating you this is not my intention. My enquiry is out of genuine curiosity. perhaps we should pass an IQ test to see if we are up to the mark before we are allowed to become members. You have succeeded in making me feel stupid and inferior, but you cannot dampen my curiosity. I hope what ever is worrying you frees you soon. all the very best to you and yours.:p

I feel for you scheme...not sure who's post Bill quoted? Was it removed? So not sure if he was referring to you or ghostrider?
Bill's Post #10 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63639-North-by-north-east-huge-star-planet&p=733763&viewfull=1#post733763) is quoting ghostrider's Post #7 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63639-North-by-north-east-huge-star-planet&p=733750&viewfull=1#post733750), as you can see by clicking on the word "here", where it says "Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)" in Bill's Post #10. Ghostrider's Post #7 now has different words. This means that someone, ghostrider in this case, has subsequently edited Post #7.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

At least you guys don't have to put up with EvadingGrid and Sane. LOL
On "other sites" the moderators call you stupid directly, edit the post themselves, and stealth ban your account so it looks logged off.

Here, we are given the opportunity to make our own apologies. Most conflicts likely fade away as most drama should.
Some of us, like me, give more than we take in terms of being rude.

Bill is probably frustrated with someone other than the poster in this thread, IMO! lol

*hugs*

[sdv]

I saw Venus a few nights ago (about an hour after sunset), the night of full moon (Venus in the west and Moon in the east). They were both so bright and so beautiful!

Sirius is supposed to be the star closest to us. Must find out where to look for Sirius!

[skuzzy]

a 50 dollar telescope from walmart will show you things that will blow your mind and silence the skeptics , you can see the four moons clearly ...

four moons?

[Bill Ryan]

-------

Here's the problem. I'd ask anyone who wonders why I get frustrated sometimes to see things from my point of view for a moment.

I spend a LOT of forum time answering questions and trying to be as helpful as I can. If the questions are good ones, and the discussion is valuable, this is a genuine pleasure. I'm an educator to my core, and there's nothing I can do about it. :)

Every post I write is carefully crafted to give the maximum information in the most effective, readable, easy-to-understand way. I spend a LOT of time making sure I've got the right links, and cross-referencing other Avalon threads and posts -- often including my own where I have explained, presented or stated things before.

So when (sheme!) you ask me (this is on another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62457-Is-Comet-Ison-Really-A-Comet&p=733672&viewfull=1#post733672)) what I think of an hour-long video that marlowe has posted, you're expecting me to spend an hour of my day watching that so I can answer a simple question that I have no idea will be appreciated if I do.

Do you see? How aware are you being when you ask that question?

Nevertheless, I DID watch the video -- enough of it to realize that the question was really just asking for my views on Planet X, which I have stated on the forum, consistently, many times before.

The moral of that story is this: please use the search function (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?search_type=1) to see what I (or others!) have said about something before opening up a question all over again as if it'd never been discussed previously.

And in this thread, you ask members what you may have seen in the night sky out of your bedroom window.

MANY Avalon members are naturally and instinctively helpful. Look at the answers on this thread. Some members have gone to a great deal of trouble to try to help. They're not doing this for themselves. They're doing this for you. And how much time has this taken from other people's Sundays?

So the least you can do when asking for others to donate their time to you is help them answer your question as easily as possible by providing as much information as possible.

Do you see? That was the point I was making on the first page that caused you to feel criticized. I'm hopeful that now you may understand this better. Your posts are in some ways taking the energy of quite a lot of people. And I have the feeling you're not really aware of this at all.

Much of this is about lazy and unaware thinking. I apologize for saying this, but it's quite often true. It's not about 'IQ'. It's about thinking about what you're sharing, thinking about what you're saying, and thinking about what you're asking.

Because if posters are lazy or unaware about how they do that, they're simply wasting the time of other people who may have many better things to do.

Don't take the forum for granted. This is not just a chat room. It's one of the very best one-stop-shop-find-the-answers-to-absolutely-any-question reference libraries on the internet. To take full advantage of that, we ask you to be focused -- at least a little more focused than some members sometimes are.

CD7, when you're posting Wikipedia definitions of a circle on the Jesus and Mary thread, that's not very focused. And ghostrider, when you respond to sheme's question by saying that it's the result of a timeslip (since edited -- thank you!), then THAT, as Paul said above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63639-North-by-north-east-huge-star-planet&p=733869&viewfull=1#post733869), is what I was saying would be enough to deter intelligent members form this thread. And then, no-one wins.

[Mutchie]

I have always found everyone to be most helpful here on Avalon and im no Einstein believe me ... I think i understand Bills post and it wasnt aimed at you Sheme its all good !!!;)

[CD7]

CD7, when you're posting Wikipedia definitions of a circle on the Jesus and Mary thread, that's not very focused


The thing is you may have an idea where someone is coming from and others times not....

The way you describe my post, tht ofcourse on the surface seems elementary...but it meant more to me then just "defining" a circle

Because we have been so Conditioned to think a certain way about subjects like a circle...sometimes we have to go over redundancy to perhaps SEE it in a different way..

This is wht angle I was coming from, also I was tugged on the inside to look there...to go further. At times the "tuggings" can be so strong and I really don't want to go there because it doesn't always make sense why my "heart" pings for something that my mind would ignore or others thinking its ridiculous, but I have learned to ignore wht other people think about my expressions

And the circle did end up taking me to a very interesting place on that Jesus thread...information I have never heard before Ever. The new information was the theory of the knights templars possibly living in America before Columbus! It dropped my JAW. So on the onset it may seem meaningless, but perhaps it is leading to other bread crumbs and that's what I know "pings" to be.

Ofcourse not all my posts come from this type of intuition...there are times I am just having fun and clowning around. I know theres an outlet for that which I think is very important as we cant all be dead serious all the time...

[ThePythonicCow]

And in this thread, you ask members what you may have seen in the night sky out of your bedroom window.

MANY Avalon members are naturally and instinctively helpful. Look at the answers on this thread. Some members have gone to a great deal of trouble to try to help. They're not doing this for themselves. They're doing this for you. And how much time has this taken from other people's Sundays?

So the least you can do when asking for others to donate their time to you is help them answer your question as easily as possible by providing as much information as possible.
The key, in my book, is a fairly simple calculus.

If I can spend a few more minutes of my time on a post, or even an hour or two, and thereby save dozens or hundreds of readers a few minutes (or more) of their time, the end result is a net gain. More people will have more time to focus on those areas where they can make a unique contribution, rather than wasting it on some half baked post of mine.

We here are engaged in a collective effort to understand many difficult subjects, and to cooperate in a variety of important endeavors. The time of the remarkable people who read and contribute to this forum is precious. Please don't waste it.

[sheme]

Thank you for expressing your heart felt thoughts I appreciate this I realise you cannot be all things to all people, you are an intellectual type of person -wonderful I envy your talent, I am an intuitive type sometimes things flag up to me and I feel my purpose is to share, now you have explained to me how you perceive this inevitably effects others yourself in particular I will reconsider my usefulness to the forum.
However the latest video I have brought to the table is in my inuitive opinion essential viewing, be that as it may- I thought it was poignant that after I logged off yesterday I listened to Teal Scotts take on ego- I now consider myself informed as to why a seemingly ordinary post came to this point. Divided and conquerd blessings to all.

[Nick Matkin]

Thanks to all for allowing this thread to drift "off topic", but I think it crystallizes some of the features of a forum like this.

i.e. There are people like me from a technical background who have a hard time understanding what I'd describe as postings that are 'airy-fairy', vague, 'intuitive', spiritual, unfocussed but nevertheless heartfelt. (But I do admit to sometimes being irritated by posts linking to sources that are easily revealed as bogus, or at least suspect!)

I can't help feeling that progress in understanding the paranormal/unexplained/conspiracy fields won't get anywhere without focussed, clear, analytical thinking. The kind of thinking that's developed the technology allowing you to read this now.

On the other hand I appreciate that for various reasons - and through no fault of their own - many forum members don't have much scientific background but excel in other areas. And it's quite reasonable for them to think that my brain has been boiled dry by conventional scientific 'wisdom' and that it's precisely my kind of approach that's blocking any progress in understanding the subjects discussed on Project Avalon.

I also appreciate that if I were an experiencer - as are so many on PA - my attitude may be different.

But so far there seems to be room for all opinions here which I greatly appreciate.

Nick

[CD7]

The kind of thinking that's developed the technology allowing you to read this now


The kind of thinking that's developed our technology today...wow Think about tht statement for awhile


Those who may feel technology has done more harm then good may very well be the reason they are not adhering to its dialectic ways



Also I will say that im sure Bill and those working on this forum spend a lot of their time researching and working out issues that come up all the time. I appreciate the opportunity to participate in a forum that's monitored very well. Having to deal with so many different personalities...egos surely is not easy. I understand wanting the best and informative content rolling through the threads...

Yes this thread has gone way off topic, but to me its been very important in working out issues that come up from time to time

[swoods_blue]

Project Avalon is a great communal sifter, and while it's as hard as ever to come up with "proof", I really appreciate the goodwill and honesty of all those here who are doing the sifting.

I also appreciate that perspectives are infinitely different, and discernment is a skill that must be honed.

Sorting all of this information is a monumental task, and each of us has a different body of knowledge to bring to bear.

That which is well-known to Bill, or anyone else, may not be known to all... and here's the thing: We shouldn't EXPECT that it will be known by others. And the skills that one possesses aren't going to be possessed by others, either. The real kicker is that people have a tendency to discount the value of their own skills, so that what comes naturally to one's self SEEMS like something that should come naturally to others, as well. (That's why the great athletes don't make great coaches, they say). So while it seems self-evident to some that focused thinking is necessary, other people may need some coaching on how to present a new forum topic in such a way that they get the most helpful responses. So let's do that in a constructive way.

Thanks to all who work to keep Avalon working, as founders, funders, admins, poster or (like me, mostly) readers.

[Hughe]

Is this the right thread?

Two forum members reported a bright object in the sky around sunset in South Korea today.

This one has better image quality.
http://cfile281.uf.daum.net/image/267E364252456DCD20B738

What is it? I'm uncertain. But if it's new celestial body near the sun, 70% of human population will see it virtually everywhere on the northern hemisphere. I'm going to start to survey evening sky with a digital camera soon.

[panopticon]

I use the free, open source, cross platform planetarium software program Stellarium (http://www.stellarium.org/).
Quite easy to use and just does the job (I'm still using version 0.9 so don't ask about the newer version).

Had a lovely sky last night down in Tassie with Venus really bright in the West.

Anyway, hope this helps someone.
-- Pan

[Bill Ryan]

Is this the right thread?

Two forum members reported a bright object in the sky around sunset in South Korea today.

This one has better image quality.
http://cfile281.uf.daum.net/image/267E364252456DCD20B738

What is it? I'm uncertain. But if it's new celestial body near the sun, 70% of human population will see it virtually everywhere on the northern hemisphere. I'm going to start to survey evening sky with a digital camera soon.


Nice picture! But certainly a sundog.

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/opt/ice/sd.rxml (http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/%28Gh%29/guides/mtr/opt/ice/sd.rxml)

[Carmody]

Part of the issue is what we call 'spiritual', is in many ways right brained material. Right brained material has a 'voiceless-connected' quality to it, and is more 'outer-connected' oriented, in the 'mind'.

This means, the data, as an in-out flow, goes through the hind-brain, through the shape and ideas recognition centers, at the base level. Thus the views of a connected world have the commonality of emotional casting, but the definitions, shapes, etc..of the individual's learning.

When we share that, it goes through the linear 'hear and now' mind that is connected to the upper level moment to moment interpretive program of the mind that we have each individually developed, part of which is called the ego. The word shaper, the intellectual cover for the silent intellect of self, which has no voice.

It is important for the linear voiced mind to understand that the force, the energy, the creation of a 'word' that is spoken in the head, in that internal voice..that internal voice is the end result, a cumulative result of self forming expression on/in communication to others and that internal voices is NOT the self, but a high level integrated program that shapes communication so it can be shared with OTHER avatars..and that it also helps the occupant of the avatar to work in this linear based time-space moment of now.

Ie, what is reading (identifying the shapes, the bits of light contrast and giving them meaning) these words and shaping them into sounds in the internal voice of the mind, that is not self, it is a high level interpretive program. The self is not that voice --- Never was, never will be.

The expressive side of the self that hews toward connectivity to all, has little in the way of separation/individuation 'surface' (math, etc) capacities, that skill or aspect, lies elsewhere, it lies more in the ego and linear minded left brain, the one of strict definition and separation.

When that linear strict interpretive mind, or left hemisphere's mental mind ideal..comes into contact with that connected right brain (the brain hemispheres are cross connected to the body/avatar, which is significant in human and dimensional integration), it can make little sense of it.

Thus, most people, in public expression, are balanced toward an expression of strict separation and strict limited definition and projection/intake.

When one begins to integrate the two hemispheres and bring them into balance via the base commonalities of 'mind' (as vehicle), so the linear timepiece universe can be shared/connected with the limitless, this aspect makes little to no sense to the linear mind. the data looks all wrong.

It is up to the individual incarnate to understand that this complex data that is enjoyed and enjoined with... is highly personal. To understand that they are looking INWARD to find ultimate connectivity and that mind-shape, the one of genetics and learning (in all, even in colors, etc), is the interpretive and shaping channel that brings the given visions, ideas, and components of dimensional connectivity.

What one person envisions via those inner channels - another ....does not. Theirs is individual learning in all those things, so the vision or data set will not be the same.

Our current grouped commonality in connectivity is of this linear nature, in this surface interpretive of self and other, in this flowing moment of now (linear unidirectional time-space expression) living we call life.

To try and understand that the self is defining the self, in a formation and maintenance loop (ohmmmm....), that is flowing through linear unidirectional time-space.

Essentially, where do you think those words in your head come from? They are not you, they are an integrative program function of you, they are not you. They are the formation of expression, both intake and output, and it is ultra critical to understand that, and separate that component of programming from being the you, the real you that has no linear expressive/communicative sound-voice.

And in that moment of understanding, to regain connection to the 'lost' aspect of connective and creative self, that is embodied in right brain thinking.

Cross connected hemispheres, cross connected to dimensions, cross connected self to linear uni-directional time and eternal time/dimensions of 'all'. Regaining the expression in the right brain and balancing the two out, is what gives one the ability to finally bring both methods and types of expression to this 'place', which, again, at this 'time', has largely the linear mind expression as a singular aspect.

It is just that our commonality of expression, our holding of this 'reality' together, is, at this time, predominantly expressed via the definitions and conditions of the linear (left brain) mind. Which is not wrong, it merely is.

The game that is seemingly afoot, is the game of learning to blend the two hemispheres together, into a complex expression of whole connectivity. Our expression in language and complexity, in the linear world, is currently stunted and limited, and it will change, as this condition of complex hemispherical connectivity continues to blend the two methods and ways into something more akin to one.

The point, in some ways, centers around not alienating the linear minded self, and it's interpretive programming, to not make it shy away from actually venturing more into renewing that old connectivity, or new connectivity, depending on how one sees it. That the connected mind, the vast self the artistic creative self, in some of us, has no problems with this complex floundering individual coloration,and how it attempts to express itself in linear terms.

What we are trying to do, is to bring the linear mind to the table of integration and understanding of what all that means. Obtuse and complex statements that look like nothing that is 'real', will essentially drive that linear part of individual and humanity's self (the group of linear minded selves)..away.

call it a second childhood of learning how to operate the right brain (creative, connected, etc), and that our bizarre sounding announcements are very much like that of children speaking on reality, for the first time. They learn to center around the linear self as a point in expression,and the right brain gets left alone..undeveloped. We find ourselves as adults, trying to bring that back on line.

Be careful in that right brained expression, until it spends time using logic, not just it's expression. So it grows in capacity to analyze and contemplate, and thus grows in capacity to define, understand, ruminate, and express in the grander human communication context. Here..we have no common language as this is not the venue or avenue - for it. We have to build that bridge, as the vast majority of us (99% kinda thing) did not learn it as children.

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