iPhone tracking devices used by police

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Story here

" Police did not pursue the ute, but were able to monitor the vehicle via an iPhone tracking device "

Itold you ... get rid of that god damn i phone ! re join the human race and have a real conversation with a human instead of an interface lol

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/man-dragged-30-metres-behind-stolen-ute-20121015-27llq.html

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the whole debate about i phones being convenient is one touted by the dis organised ! if you are organised you dont need to be constantly micro managing yourin ability to discern the difference between a business meeting and dinner with the missus!

i phones are evil !

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

just for fun ( warning four letter words used to describe things in a colloquial manner )

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

lol

[TigaHawk]

It's not just Iphones tho.... anything that can be classed as a smartphone does the exact same. Just the big mainstream model's are the easiest for the police to interface with.

The police love it over here when they arrest someone that has a smartphone. They grab the phone, plug it into their PC's and load up their custom set of tool's for it. It will give them a minute by minute replay of where you have been based on what towers your phone was connected too. They'll get a list of calls made and received, all the text messages you sent, access to all websites that you are logged into on the phone (anything that remembers you, facebook, gmail, hotmail, even project avalon! as it's a loophole - they dont need to request anything to get access to it as you've done it for them)

So straight from the moment they arrest you - they have a detailed dossier of where you've been.. to within 1metre or less accuracy, who you've talked too, what websites you've visited and who you've talked too/what you've been doing on them.

This also makes it harder on innocent people. Think of your day today. Can you remember exactly where you were at 10:17am on the 22/9/13? Think you do? Give them an answer that doesnt match up to what they allready know and you've just given them reasons to think you are lying/withholding information unless you are 100% spot on.


Please drop the illusion of privacy. If it's done online, or on any kind of electronic device, they allready know and have logs dating back to god know's when, with everything dated and timed. Thinking you have any sort of privacy when it comes to electronic devices = you are.. unfortunately.... deluded :(

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

those GM car phones/OnSTar do the same thing.
Don't buy a new car, buy an old one where you can unlock it, roll down your windows, turn off your headlights, etc.
Not a GM POS that can drive itself off a cliff...

@_@

LOL

[Nanoo Nanoo]

It's not just Iphones tho.... anything that can be classed as a smartphone does the exact same. Just the big mainstream model's are the easiest for the police to interface with.

The police love it over here when they arrest someone that has a smartphone. They grab the phone, plug it into their PC's and load up their custom set of tool's for it. It will give them a minute by minute replay of where you have been based on what towers your phone was connected too. They'll get a list of calls made and received, all the text messages you sent, access to all websites that you are logged into on the phone (anything that remembers you, facebook, gmail, hotmail, even project avalon! as it's a loophole - they dont need to request anything to get access to it as you've done it for them)

So straight from the moment they arrest you - they have a detailed dossier of where you've been.. to within 1metre or less accuracy, who you've talked too, what websites you've visited and who you've talked too/what you've been doing on them.

This also makes it harder on innocent people. Think of your day today. Can you remember exactly where you were at 10:17am on the 22/9/13? Think you do? Give them an answer that doesnt match up to what they allready know and you've just given them reasons to think you are lying/withholding information unless you are 100% spot on.


Please drop the illusion of privacy. If it's done online, or on any kind of electronic device, they allready know and have logs dating back to god know's when, with everything dated and timed. Thinking you have any sort of privacy when it comes to electronic devices = you are.. unfortunately.... deluded :(

kapow ! i agree ! all smart phones from now on should be banned ! ( lol )

try living without it after you get lazy and un organised ..

I have a tech mod for the i phone and smart phone to stop it tracking you.

1 Smart phone you need a plastic bag and some alfoil

cut a piece of alfoil 12 x 12 cm square

place the phone in the re sealable plastic bag

place the alfoil on top of the bag on the outside.

then hit the alfoil with a hammer repeatedly at full force till the phone has reached a crumbled consistantcy.

one the phone has been re configured to its new programming then you may either place the phone in your pocket or in a garbage bin.

The great thing about this mod is it also changes the battery life of the phone, it will not require charging after this tech mod.

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0

[Mulder]

I've chosen never to use a smartphone. I use an older cell phone that I can take out the battery anytime I don't want it on.

I've seen a GPS signal blocker that fits in your car's cigerette lighter and it totally disables GPS devices used in your car. I don't feel the need for one of these yet as my old phone can be disabled by removing the battery. However, if I felt my car was being tracked (although there's no 100%-sure way to know) I'd buy a GPS disabler.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

i have 3 of these devices

one is for the car and puts out 1 watt and has a blocking area of about 5 meters

then i have another one thats 15 watts output and covers a 40 meter radius with 6 areials , it knocks out every device from lojac to GSM , WiFI , GPS , Mobile , TV, any and All RF Signals in their entirety. I call it the cone of silence.. i put it on when i want to have personal conversations.

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[TigaHawk]

I've chosen never to use a smartphone. I use an older cell phone that I can take out the battery anytime I don't want it on.

I've seen a GPS signal blocker that fits in your car's cigerette lighter and it totally disables GPS devices used in your car. I don't feel the need for one of these yet as my old phone can be disabled by removing the battery. However, if I felt my car was being tracked (although there's no 100%-sure way to know) I'd buy a GPS disabler.

They can still know where you went for the most part, tho it makes their job slightly more difficult.

The street light's here in Brisbane look innocent enough.... but they're not. The hood bit that houses the light, in all the new lamp post's they put up and when they refurbish the older ones, also house a dome camera! Generally not every light has a camera as well... accept in busy area's like the city that is.... and the ones that don't still have the area cut into the metal for where it can sit. Combine this with the camera's on the highway's and on bridges and tunnell's, they can still piece together your journey from that.


Want to have an actual real private conversation? Learn sign language, travel way out whoop whoop, have an umbrella up over your head and keep walking in circles while you sign. :gaah:

[Nanoo Nanoo]

i know if they really want you they can do all sorts of stuff however in australia you do not have to speak to police unless you are under arrest.

that means you do not say a word other than " i dont wish to be interviewed " then " am i under arrest " yes or no ? then " let me know when im free to go "

then thank them for their time and wish them a good day and walk off..

in fact i do not ever carry any id and in the past when they have asked me for id i say i dont have any. and theres not much they can dofrom there. i dont have to be identified for anything and i have my freedom to go about my business... however you need to be really sharp when you deal with police.

now i recently had an experience with a group of police at a check point they call an RBT , they pull you over for random breath testing ( which i passed ) now when they approach the vehicle there are 3 police officers , one approaches the car and conducts the breath test ( which is a time waste while they run your plates ) the second officer hounds the car ( starts poking around to see if he gets a reaction ) its important to ignore this guy but just monitor him by glancing .. he is the provoker ... if you react or act nervous they then know you have something in the car they may want to check out.. unless they have suspicion they cannot look through the car , just observe whats visible without moving any objects unless they have suspicion.

then they will try to find anything wrong so they can write you a ticket ( the RBT is a chance to get money out of you for their business called piracy ) they found dust and dirt on the outside of my rear plate cover which they told me is a $400 fine ... i spiped my finger over the plate and showed them my finger ( which was dirty ) and said " youre right i do need towash the car... You see they dont like to be wrong , never argue with the police because they do their job for 2 reasons or rather there are 2 kinds of cops in Australia

1 : The school geek who was picked on at school who now wishes to pick on the rest of the world to get his ( or her ) back against the world . These people are mentally defective ( imean this is the nicest way , i am not picking on police per se but anybody that wishes to exersise authority over another person is text book mentally defective )
2 : An idealist who is scinscerely wanting to make a difference in the world. And i have to say i have dealt with a lot of police in australia and there are some absolute gems out there , the type of people you definitely want on your side who truly care about what they do.

this is the good cop bad cop tag team they always use .. the good cop is a distractor that questions you while the bad cop taunts you to get a reaction. What you want to do is keep cool as a cucumber , greet the police when they pull you over with a very friendly hello sir or gday mate and be scinscere .. they love this show of respect .. it means that they may spare you a fine if they feel so inclined.

Then speak as little as possible. do not go into great explanations , thats a tell .. be short and polite. IF you are without a car and do not have any tags to ID you and youre not feeling like talking to the police you need to make a snap decision by looking in their eyes and determining what sort of police they are .. if they look like bullies then you need to be cautious , if they look normal ish then you can probably get away with just walking off.

most cases if you havent done anything wrong you will be fine , australian police are usually pretty nice to deal with if they like you, some are just always in a foul mood ... thats the force and you can imagine what sort of work they do and how annoying it must be.. hats off to the good ones out there.

In summary , all gov agentcies are spying and prying on your privacy. If you like having some smblence of it then get rid of that i phone or smart phone .. every single scrap of text or information that goes through your phone is collected .. your entire life , photos , messages , emails , business plans are all collected by these things. As tigahawk said , get a cheep crappy old phone and use the thing for what it was designed " phione calls " be organised and stop this new age rushing round at the last minute type of dis organised business practice.

what its done is stop us having " purpose " thinking ahead and making plans. this is a skill thats needed when the shtf. if you dont have this skill you cannot survive anything.

[TigaHawk]

Playing the nice game with the police does not allways work.

I live in Brisbane, Australia! In the middle of the CBD. The exit of our car park goes onto Alice st. At the top of Alice st, the cops like to hide behind parked car's or the bus shelter with their radar gun. I allways ride the brake in the city, im never in a rush, as i know that the street i live on, and the next one over are their highest earners in regards to speeding and parking fines.

One evening my X and I were going out for dinner, we exit the car park, drive up the road. We're pulled over by a cop. My X is sorta one of a kind, incredible gentelman, does not get angry, and explains what he's thinking in calm and informative way's. no beating around the bush, what you see is what you get kinda guy.

He puts the driver's window down and says good evening to the officer, the officer asks him what speed he was doing. He responds with just under 50. The police officer starts writing up a fine. They had just changed the speed limit in the city from 50 to 40. The only sign between the exit of our car park and where that cop was, was just after where that cop was, or back before our carpark exit where we cant see it when leaving the car park.

Genuine surprise there, he apologised for his mistake and inquired to when the change to the speed was made. The officer replied about a week or so prior, then wanted my X's drivers license. To which he did not have, as i was shouting dinner that night and my X had also been to the gym that night (he has like 3 wallets, he switches what he needs between them depending what he's doing, his license was in his Gym wallet, still at home.) I explained to the officer that we lived in the building like 1min walk down the road and i could return home and grab his wallet if required. The officer said not to worry and he just called in to confirm my X's details. After he got confirmation that the information my X provided was correct, the officer then proceeded to lie to us.

He told us we qualified for the 2nd teir fine, but he was either in a good mood or thoguht we were nice (cannot remember what it was) he decided he'd only give us the 1st teir fine.

We thanked him and continued on our way to get dinner. My X was a bit sad as he's had his license for over 10 years and that was his very first infraction.

Later on we jumped on the net and did some searching, to find we never qualified for the 2nd tier fine at all. So im quite confuzed at why that officer felt the need to lie, unless he got a kick or something out of us thanking him for giving us the fine regardless?

It doesnt matter what you do or how carefully you act to try and please these people. They do what they want regardless. Would love to see someone post a copy of the psych exam they test people on before letting them into the force - its designed to get a specific type of person for the most part. They want cold, heartless people that know how to talk the law and use it in their favor, whilst turning it around on the people they are meant to be protecting and serving to get the maximum ammount of fines and misery from citizens.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

the mistake you made was to answer his question. once you do you are in contract.

the responce you should have said was , when he asked your speed , " I have no idea " and just keep repeating it. How fast were you going sir ? I have absolutely no idea.

No idea ? No ... none ..

Well can you guess ? no i have no idea .. i was looking at he road ahead.. not the speedo so i cannot give you an honest answer.

kapow ! you cannot enter a contract with the officer because you have nneither agreed or disagreed with its opinion which by the way , if you do agree or disagree you are challenging its opinion and you then enter a contract.

later on when you challenge it in court you write to the chamber magistrate and you state that you cannot enter a plea because you have not a frame of refrence to honestly answer.

This is the most honest defence to anything regarding driving offences. You are required , as a driver , to keep your eyes on the road because thats where all the other people and cars and pedestrians and cyclinsts are .. not sitting in your dash board. In order to control a vehicle succesfully without incident you are required to look in the direction to where you are going .. not your dash board , not your i phone .. the road ahead.

I have used this defense on numerous occasion and its worked every time and i have defended my self in court at least 8 times in the last 2 years.

there is nothing they can do if you cannot enter a plea. not for these kinds of misdemeanor quasi offences.

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[Mulder]

I've chosen never to use a smartphone. I use an older cell phone that I can take out the battery anytime I don't want it on.. ..

They can still know where you went for the most part, tho it makes their job slightly more difficult.

The street light's here in Brisbane look innocent enough.... but they're not. The hood bit that houses the light, in all the new lamp post's they put up and when they refurbish the older ones, also house a dome camera! Generally not every light has a camera as well... accept in busy area's like the city that is.... and the ones that don't still have the area cut into the metal for where it can sit. Combine this with the camera's on the highway's and on bridges and tunnell's, they can still piece together your journey from that.


Want to have an actual real private conversation? Learn sign language, travel way out whoop whoop, have an umbrella up over your head and keep walking in circles while you sign. :gaah:

Of course cameras will see your licence plates, and this is something you can't avoid unless you drive with false plates or cover them with mud, etc - both will draw negative attention. I permanently leave my battery out of my phone except when I want to call someone so this is adequate for me and does stop me being easily tracked for all intensive purposes (assuming no-one had planted a GPS tracker on my car, etc).
Likewise, most people don't need to go to these lengths to have privacy. But if you are being tracked, then you would have to do what you can to frustrate them - e.g. go off the internet, stop driving, stop carrying a phone, stop working, move somewhere overseas ... or whatever is possible for you to do.

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the mistake you made was to answer his question. once you do you are in contract.

the responce you should have said was , when he asked your speed , " I have no idea " and just keep repeating it. How fast were you going sir ? I have absolutely no idea...


I don't see how your defence would work, as the Judge would believe the Police unless you said: "I was not speeding..." in which case they'd still believe the Police...

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It doesnt matter what you do or how carefully you act to try and please these people. They do what they want regardless. Would love to see someone post a copy of the psych exam they test people on before letting them into the force - its designed to get a specific type of person for the most part. They want cold, heartless people that know how to talk the law and use it in their favor, whilst turning it around on the people they are meant to be protecting and serving to get the maximum ammount of fines and misery from citizens.

The Police aren't your friends - don't speak to them at all - don't answer your door to them and try not to help them in anyway.

[TigaHawk]

oh i know they are definately not my friends!

I would have handled the situation differently, but i was not the driver. The X is very much assleep and see's the way you've described yourself handling the situation - as nothing more than causing trouble. :(

Just wanted to point out that, you could be an 80 year old nun, polite and compliant as ever, and they'd still do whatever pleases them. Being nice and compliant doesnt help your situation at all.


Here's one for ya - why dont we have a section of the forums dedicated to how to handle the authority's - relevant for different country's and their law's. I'm aware of how to play the game on american soil, but that doesnt help me as im on australian soil.

Everyone on this forum loves to point out and talk about problems, but it seems advice on how to tackle the problems head on, and deal with them are lacking.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hi Mulder

its important to know how the law works. In most countries they flip the law to suit. IE they flip between admiratly Law which is contracting law and Common Law. They flip betrween the two to suit and we are none the wiser.

Its most common to use admiralty law with the roads as this gives them the ability to fine greater amounts. but we can use this against them



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the mistake you made was to answer his question. once you do you are in contract.

the responce you should have said was , when he asked your speed , " I have no idea " and just keep repeating it. How fast were you going sir ? I have absolutely no idea...

I don't see how your defence would work, as the Judge would believe the Police unless you said: "I was not speeding..." in which case they'd still believe the Police...

This is something i stumbled across in 2003 ... one night i was pulled over and the officer asked me how fast i was going .. i knew he didnt have a device so i just kept repeating i have no idea , he kept repeating the question in all manner of ways .. but i just kept repeating my answer .. i have no idea .. he just walked off without even a word and i never head again about it ..

i have since been using this and as a result IE something i have experienced and used and has been successful on 8 occasions.

if you state this from day one to the officer you have a greater chance he will drop it.. because how can you prove something you dontknow about .. this alsocovers you in common law as it states you cannot be charged for a crime of which you did not knowingly or deliberately cause it to effect. So if you " Have No Idea " how fast you were going , then its infinitely harder to charge you.

It is the most believeable defence .. how can a judge not believe you ? if he says he dosent believe you tell him you had your eyes on the roasd and your hands upon the wheel. ( quote from roadhouse blues)

you dont drive the car with your knees do you ? you dont drive the vehicle facing the rear of the car do you ? No you drive LOOKING AT THE ROAD AT ALL TIMES> you are not required to glance down at the speedo every 3 seconds togauge speed toan arbitrary limit. thats just dangerous. and its a brilliant defence.

And its the most honest defence you can give. and its completely plausible.

You see the way they set up road cops is by verbal contract to get past constitutional guide lines and laws. If you speak toan officer you are automatically in contract if you contradict or agree to anything you say to each other. but if you speak to it in theory , ie speculation or answering questions with questions then you are in the fine line. they cannot contract with you until you have agreed or disagreed with them.

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

something Exomastrix Posted thats hillarious


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKDquEUiKUo

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Here is a page you will love if you have an affair with an I Phone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BZ3PtbwMKI