US Government shutdown, Tuesday Oct 1, 2013

[ThePythonicCow]

Listening now to NBC Live Stream at Government Shutdown Imminent; "Obamacare-Delay" Continuing Resolution Vote - Live Webcast (ZeroHedge) (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-28/government-shutdown-imminent-republicans-add-obamacare-delay-funding-bill), and reading the following New York Times article that was posted within the hour: U.S. Shutdown Nears as House Pushes Delay in Health Law (NY Times) (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/politics/budget-talks-government-shutdown.html?_r=0), it seems likely that the US government will shutdown at the end of this month, Sept 2013, in two days.





U.S. Shutdown Nears as House Pushes Delay in Health Law

By JONATHAN WEISMAN and JEREMY W. PETERS
Published: September 28, 2013

WASHINGTON — The federal government on Saturday barreled toward its first shutdown in 17 years after House Republicans, choosing a hard line, demanded a one-year delay of President Obama’s health care law and the repeal of a tax to pay for the law before approving any funds to keep the government running.

Republicans emerged from a closed-door meeting Saturday unified and confident that they had the votes to delay the health care law and eliminate a tax on medical devices that partly pays for it. But before the House had even voted, Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, declared the House bill dead. Senate Democrats are planning to table the Republican measures when they convene on Monday, leaving it up to the House to pass a stand-alone spending bill free of any measures that undermine the health care law.

The House’s action all but assured that large parts of the government would be shuttered as of 12:01 a.m. on Tuesday. More than 800,000 federal workers deemed nonessential faced furloughs; millions more could be working without paychecks.

A separate House Republican bill would also ensure that military personnel continued to be paid in the event of a government shutdown, an acknowledgment that a shutdown was likely. The health law delay and the troop financing bill were set for House passage Saturday.

[Robin]

This will affect me directly as I work for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service :(

I'm wondering what is going on in the minds of all factions of the government. I wonder if the Elite want this government shutdown to happen? It definitely coincides with the October 1st warning about FEMA camps and the possible events to come.

The Elite definitely want their precious ObamaCare (or as David Icke would say "ObomberCare") to go into effect as it's part of their plan to hit the American people hard...so I think that it will stay shutdown if Congress doesn't fund ObamaCare.

[Robin]

Even though this is going to affect me, I commend Congress for standing up to these genetic bullies and liars. Methinks Congress is becoming more and more awake and aware.:fencing:

[ThePythonicCow]

Even though this is going to affect me, I commend Congress for standing up to these genetic bullies and liars. Methinks Congress is becoming more and more awake and aware.:fencing:
I'll be effected as well ... my sole source of income is in the form of various US Government benefit checks.

It would be more than fine by me if they cut all that off, so long as they actually got some clues and did some really serious house cleaning in Washington, DC. However, pessimist that I am, I figure that this "shutdown" is just another charade,to get the US population more desperate.

[Cristian]

Hey Paul ,

Is there a long way to go from goverment shutdown to US financial default?

[Harley]

Received this 22 minutes ago:


CNN Breaking News BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com via ema3lsv06.turner.com
9:21 PM (22 minutes ago)

to textbreakingne.
House Republicans on Sunday pushed through an amended spending plan that would delay Obamacare for a year and wipe out its tax on medical devices, increasing the chances of a government shutdown in less than 48 hours because Senate Democrats reject the move and the White House said President Barack Obama would veto such a measure.

The bill now goes back to the Senate, which had already stripped a provision from the bill that defunded Obama's signature health care law before it went back to the Republican-controlled House.

The Senate is not expected to reconvene until Monday afternoon, leaving little time for the two chambers to work out their differences and continue to keep the government running.

[RunningDeer]

Even though this is going to affect me, I commend Congress for standing up to these genetic bullies and liars. Methinks Congress is becoming more and more awake and aware.:fencing:
I'll be effected as well ... my sole source of income is in the form of various US Government benefit checks.
Me, too. I checked my account. The state retirement pension isn't deposited. Technically, they've still got one more day, well actually it's today on the east coast.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hey Paul ,

Is there a long way to go from goverment shutdown to US financial default?

The distance from one to the other is not really knowable by us peons. This is not like one's personal finances, where one could, for example, estimate how long it would take from losing one's job before one could not pay the rent check. Rather this is all Kabuchi Theater, and we are not shown the script ahead of time (hints, misdirections, hype, ... but not the honest to goodness real script.)


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Kabuchi Theater
My guess, which is worth every penny you paid for it, is that US Government default on its Treasury Debt is about two years out. Other equally plausible guesses put it a few months out, or never.

[crosby]

for every debtor that calls my mother on that day or any day after i will tell them (as her POA) politely to call WASHINGTON. i can feel the fear rising in my neck of the woods, and as a retail worker i can see it with daily numbers - tsIhtf
corson



the poop is now hitting the fan.

there is a definitive drop in retail sales, which in part shows some sort of 'wake up' amongst the population - but out of fear

too bad for those fat ass bastards that sit behind the desks in corporate - they will be sucking their heads up their assess now........... kinda like that vid., on you tube........ hahhahhahahah

EVEN FAST FOOD IS SUFFERING.....

[gripreaper]

My guess, which is worth every penny you paid for it, is that US Government default on its Treasury Debt is about two years out. Other equally plausible guesses put it a few months out, or never.

And my two cents, when Treasury debt is funded by creating more treasury debt, it's like making your credit card payment using your credit card... it eventually becomes untenable. When you then take more credit/debt and use it to buy toxic crap that has no mark to market or intrinsic value, because it is leveraged derivatives, then it only takes a 2% move in interest rates to cause you to be unable to keep the ponzi scheme going and kick the can down the road.

So, more velocity is required to keep ahead of the tsunami, and shutting down and turning off the spigot sends a cascade into the flow and reverses the polarity, which cannot easily be undone. The reverse velocity of implosion is much quicker, shall we say cascading in ever accelerating waves.

This may be an engineered outcome designed to do just that. Hope all ya'll are ready.(to use a Texas colloquialism)

[crosby]

my guess, which is worth every penny you paid for it, is that us government default on its treasury debt is about two years out. Other equally plausible guesses put it a few months out, or never.

and my two cents, when treasury debt is funded by creating more treasury debt, it's like making your credit card payment using your credit card... It eventually becomes untenable. When you then take more credit/debt and use it to buy toxic crap that has no mark to market or intrinsic value, because it is leveraged derivatives, then it only takes a 2% move in interest rates to cause you to be unable to keep the ponzi scheme going and kick the can down the road.

So, more velocity is required to keep ahead of the tsunami, and shutting down and turning off the spigot sends a cascade into the flow and reverses the polarity, which cannot easily be undone. The reverse velocity of implosion is much quicker, shall we say cascading in ever accelerating waves.

This may be an engineered outcome designed to do just that. Hope all ya'll are ready.(to use a texas colloquialism)

like i said " the **** is really hitting the fan"..... Right now,,,,,

[crosby]

the bottom line is retail. if retail numbers are not showing what they should - we have a problem. retail = corporate.
corson


FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS.................IT MAY BE A BUMPY RIDE... very bumpy...

[ghostrider]

until the working class has money in their pockets to spend , all areas of the economy will continue to suffer , wealthy folks invest , everyone else spends ... the price of things go up and the household income remains the same, that road only leads to one place ... It wouldn't bother me if the government is shut down , they can't make laws that take our freedoms if they are not at work ...

[TODD & NORA]

..........

[markpierre]

... It wouldn't bother me if the government is shut down , they can't make laws that take our freedoms if they are not at work ...

Those guys don't go home. They're not paid by the government.

[araucaria]

first shutdown in 17 years
What happened under Clinton in 1996? What makes this event break new ground compared to back then?

[AMystic3434]

There will be no government shutdown I guarantee it. They will agree on some bs plan last minute. They always do.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Received this 22 minutes ago:


CNN Breaking News BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com via ema3lsv06.turner.com
9:21 PM (22 minutes ago)

to textbreakingne.
House Republicans on Sunday pushed through an amended spending plan that would delay Obamacare for a year and wipe out its tax on medical devices, increasing the chances of a government shutdown in less than 48 hours because Senate Democrats reject the move and the White House said President Barack Obama would veto such a measure.

The bill now goes back to the Senate, which had already stripped a provision from the bill that defunded Obama's signature health care law before it went back to the Republican-controlled House.

The Senate is not expected to reconvene until Monday afternoon, leaving little time for the two chambers to work out their differences and continue to keep the government running.

Region 3 arms and training, supplies MUST be completed/delivered by October 1
Government Closing Down October 2 ?
Octobber 3 ?

hmm

[superconsciousness]

Except when they don't...Congress needs more transformational leaders.

http://www.wonksmedia.com/555plan.pdf

[Roisin]

There will be no government shutdown I guarantee it. They will agree on some bs plan last minute. They always do.

That's the first thing that came to my mind too. But, this time round, I'm not so sure about that.

[Marianne]

Me, too. I checked my account. The state retirement pension isn't deposited. Technically, they've still got one more day, well actually it's today on the east coast.

I think this would only affect federal pensions and social security? State pensions would not be directly affected by a US gov. shutdown. So Paula, your state retirement should go in on time.

[RunningDeer]

Me, too. I checked my account. The state retirement pension isn't deposited. Technically, they've still got one more day, well actually it's today on the east coast.

I think this would only affect federal pensions and social security? State pensions would not be directly affected by a US gov. shutdown. So Paula, your state retirement should go in on time.

Thank you, Marianne. I’ve prepared as well as I can. Which is more than most. It’s unfortunate that I use it as a barometer to quell personal survival fear.

I don’t mean for this to come across as heartless. I worry for those families that are responsible for young and old. What I mean is if/when the systems collapse, something will have to happen sooner than later for the many. So if my reason for being here is take care of what I can, where ever and when ever I can, then mission accomplished.

:wave:

[Marianne]

Paula, no one on the planet could call you heartless.

This is potentially something having very wide-ranging effects on the well being of U.S. citizens and beyond. Not many can truthfully say they feel no fear about it.

[outerheaven]

Region 3 arms and training, supplies MUST be completed/delivered by October 1
Government Closing Down October 2 ?
Octobber 3 ?

hmm

Here's another piece of the puzzle for ya -- the US Air Force is shutting down the Space Fence (http://www.spacenews.com/article/military-space/36655shelton-orders-shutdown-of-space-fence) on October 1st.

[Robin]

Region 3 arms and training, supplies MUST be completed/delivered by October 1
Government Closing Down October 2 ?
Octobber 3 ?

hmm

Here's another piece of the puzzle for ya -- the US Air Force is shutting down the Space Fence (http://www.spacenews.com/article/military-space/36655shelton-orders-shutdown-of-space-fence) on October 1st.

I wonder if this has anything to do with "Comet ISON" rolling in. Even if Comet ISON is just a comet, I find this interesting. Maybe they want to conceal the influx of alien spacecraft coming in to observe?

[Orph]

..... personal survival fear.

I don’t mean for this to come across as heartless.

You are most definitely not heartless, and if someone should perceive that of you because of something you wrote, .... well, there isn't anything you can do about that anyway. It's simply a perception they have. Oh well. You are you and you don't need to apologize for, nor to live according to, anybody else's perceptions of who or what you should be.

As far as fear, well, of course, I think there is a lot of people who have at least a bit of fear with what is going on. (Including me). But, ..... fear is in the head. Heart only knows love. It doesn't know fear, greed, jealousy, hate, or anything else. Your true heart center only knows love. And that's where you, (and I ), need to be in these trying times. WHOOOOO-HOOOO!!!

[Tesseract]

Red team + Blue team = Shut down:

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[andrewgreen]

Its like some big fear thing that they love constantly hanging over our heads, it won't happen because if it did we'd know we would be able to cope and they would have nothing.

[soleil]

i work in an intl courier company, and biz is definitely going down. my territory was +40% at least all year and aug/sept it went down to +15% over last yr...this mont -9%....and for my co as whole....its down. i really think theyll sandbag any biz in hopes of making next qtr...my guess...anyways, ****s happening. good thing im out in 3 wks

[cursichella1]

Maybe a shutdown means we'll have a few days without NSA "surveillance", too...!

[ThePythonicCow]

Maybe a shutdown means we'll have a few days without NSA "surveillance", too...!

Hah ! ... I wish.

It's a "partial" shutdown, which means that ordinary folks don't get their checks or services, except for the ordinary folks with weapons, the soldiers in the military, who we wouldn't want to upset too much now, would we.

But the black ops and other exotic and highly paid stuff continues, in overtime, watching us serfs to see how we react.

[PHARAOH]

I vote for a permanent government shutdown. :spy: :amen: :cantina: :hippie: :jaw:

[Roisin]

WRT -Paul's comment:
I agree! So just be cool and before you know it, those black op drones will be flying low enough to take out with a sling shot!

[Roisin]

I vote for a permanent government shutdown. :spy: :amen: :cantina: :hippie: :jaw:

So we can set up a new, never before tried gov't that's "For the people, by the people"? Hey! Why not? It's worth a try, ya know?

[RunningDeer]

Just finished listening. Worth the time especially if one is new to this. No fear. Knowledge is power. Like the graphs. Give it a couple of minutes, it'll pick up. @ the 16:00 mark, for those interested in gold or why to get out of paper.


Debt Bubble is the Biggest Threat to Humanity - Greg Mannarino

"The bubble in debt is, without a doubt, the greatest threat to humankind. . . . When that bubble bursts, resources will become scarce. We are going to have a loss of life on par with a nuclear exchange," warns Mannarino.


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Greg Hunter of USAWatchdog.com (http://usawatchdog.com)

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Published on Sep 29, 2013

http://usawatchdog.com/the-economy-is...

Gregory Mannarinio of TradersChoice.net thinks, "We do not have an economy that is designed to create wealth. We have an economy that is designed to create debtors."

Mannarino warns, "The bubble in debt is, without a doubt, the greatest threat to humankind. . . . When that bubble bursts, resources will become scarce. We are going to have a loss of life on par with a nuclear exchange." Join Greg Hunter of USAWatchdog.com as he goes One-on-One with trader/analyst Gregory Mannarino.

[Roisin]

That's pretty horrific, isn't it? This is why things need to change.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

October 1st has been floating in my mind and been mentioned in movies and has been niggling me since I found this info... not sure how accurate this is but the October 1st vibes are certainly out there.

15,000 Russians in Baltimore by October 1st.

82% of our combat forces and their supply elements out of CONUS by October 1st.

FEMA purchase orders for over $14.2 million for MREs and heater meals to be delivered to Region III by October 1st.

FEMA purchase orders for 22 million pouches of emergency water to be delivered to region III by October 1st.

FEMA purchase orders for $13.6 million for MREs and heater meals to be delivered to Austin by October 1st.

Nine-week training course for UN Peacekeepers in CONUS to learn Urban Warfare, English, and US weapons systems beginning 4th week of July for 386,000 troops to be completed by October 1st.

$11 million in antibiotics to be delivered to FEMA region III by October 1st ordered by CDC.

World Health Organization held second emergency meeting in its history to discuss MERs coronavirus. Determined a vaccine MUST be in place by October 1st.

2800 MRAPs must be delivered to DHS by October 1st.

No leave will be allowed for US military from September 28th thru November 5th.

NORCOMM yearly training for civil unrest suspended until September 27th. To be performed in northeast coastal areas.

Date for release of QE3 report moved to October 16th.

All DHS agents MUST qualify with sidearm, shotgun and AR 15 by September 28th. No mention of yearly less lethal qualification.

Sporadic testing of GPS and Communications satellites is coordinated for the first time with a testing date of September 29th.

POTUS mandates to FEMA and DHS concerning support for metropolitan communities dealing with the extreme climate change MUST be complete by October 1st. These mandates were issued during the last three weeks.

Over 300 school systems in the US have determined they need three-day kits for each school AND three-day kits for each student to take with them. All deliveries are scheduled for the month of September.

All National Guard units will complete riot control and disaster assistance training during this years annual two week training. All units MUST have their training complete by September 30th.

Daily testing of the Emergency Broadcast System to begin on September 25th and run thru October 2nd.

Eastern-based Coast Guard units to perform massive group training, usually performed in the Gulf, in the Virginia and Delaware areas. This is a 10-day training mission to begin September 26th.

A sidenote to ponder: For the first time in the history of the United Nations, the Secretary General addresses the Assembly, a speech that was broadcast live to over 60 nations, to inform the assembly that while we are dealing with what appears to be two global crises -- extreme climate change and financial downturns -- the governments of the world are working together to resolve the issues before they reach catastrophic proportions. In other words, he addresses the Assembly and the world just to say everything is going to be okay

[Mulder]

This is just the drama playing out further. PANIC - we can't raise the debt ceiling. Drama - the Govt will shut down. Fear - a new terrorist threat. Terror - a crazy gunman shoots up a movie theatre... all these things are just to keep us in fear and the Govt is in no risk of ever permanently shutting down.

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[GlassSteagallfan]

My guess, which is worth every penny you paid for it, is that US Government default on its Treasury Debt is about two years out. Other equally plausible guesses put it a few months out, or never.

When only the Fed is purchasing bonds, default is near.

[Atlas]

There will be no government shutdown I guarantee it. They will agree on some bs plan last minute. They always do.
The last time the government came to the brink of a shutdown, in 2011, the commissaries were among the services that the Defense Department chose to keep open, after initially announcing that they would close. That shutdown was avoided in a last minute government funding deal between the House and Senate.

[ThePythonicCow]

When only the Fed is purchasing bonds, default is near.
That's not the key trigger, in my view, but just an alarming appearance.

Our usual economic theories are serving us poorly here. We have to begin again at the beginning to understand what is going on.

We all need or desire food, clothing, shelter, tools, transportation, communication, learning, healing, and such.

In a primitive economy, you have what you can make or grow, or what you can barter or share with neighbors.

In a monetary economy, money becomes the intermediary, allowing for vastly larger, more complex and more specialized economies. In such an economy, people work for money, and in turn use that to purchase their other more specific needs and desires.

The key question in a monetary economy is how that money is introduced into the economy. If money is gold, found by mining, then you will have lots of mining going on, and those well positioned in the gold business will get rich. If money is lent into existence, then you will have lots of lending going on, and those well placed in the lending business will get rich. If money is issued by the state for the construction of "great works", then your pyramids may outlast your empire.

In any such case, there is the risk that the business of money creation will overwhelm the "real" economy of production, distribution and consumption of "real" goods, such as food, clothing, shelter, tools, transportation, communication, learning, and healing. The easier it is to leverage up the money making business, the faster this happens. With big money now being all electronic, involving fancy computer managed derivatives, swaps, options and such, the big banks have recently gotten really good at this task of leveraging up debt paper.

The essential problem comes about when the "using money to make money" activty overwhelms the "using money to make real goods and services" activity. The real economy then begins to rot. The essential feedback mechanisms that make it likely that the more valued needs of the people will be produced and delivered start to break down.

The money makers become a cancer on society. Eventually, the cancer begins to feed on its own toxic effluent, having (in the case of debt based money) insufficient real goods and services to hypothicate (to serve as collateral.) The cancer feeds on itself, because there is too little healthy tissue left to invade.

We are now seeing a shortage of debt paper that has quality collateral behind it. The Federal Reserve is sucking up the remaining quality paper (trillions of Treasuries and Mortgage Backed Securities on its balance sheet), in exchange for multi-trillion dollar reserve balances at the major banks, which they are leveraging to play in the stock, bond and currency markets, in order to stave off their bankruptcy.

Federal Reserve quantitative easing (QE) is not like Zimbabwe or Weimar Republic hyperinflation, characterized by the (actual) printing of paper money with increasing numbers of zeros. QE is the vacuuming up of the remaining quality debt paper, in order to keep the big banks, which are already deeply bankrupt in toxic paper, from collapsing, by exchanging the paper for reserve balances at the Reserve. QE is another round of this Ponzi debt scheme, focused on an increasingly narrow set of beneficiaries ... just the big banks, which own the Fed.

This is leaving all other investors, retirement funds, savings holders, etc increasingly bereft of good investment options. The bond and stock market will appear good ... until they collapse to a tiny fraction of their current value, as the big banks, in their dying breath, sell everything that is not nailed down. The stock market collapse of 1929 was based on excessively leveraged stock market investing by many investors, large and small, trading "on margin." This collapse will be far worse, because the current market is almost completely controlled by the high speed trading of a few large banks and hedge funds. When Deutsche, HSBC, Goldman, JPMorgan, Citi, BofA, Morgan Stanley and Wells Fargo all hit the SELL NOW button at once, it's going to be an epoch bad hair day on Wall Street.

We are actually in a mix of a deflationary and inflationary depression. Unless you're a big bank, money is harder to get (much harder say to get a mortgage today than it was in 2007, and much harder to find a good paying job now then then) but money purchases less (because the "real" economy is collapsing.) Meanwhile, people with liquid assets in excess of their immediate needs are finding it increasingly impossible to find any "safe" investment, anywhere in the world. The gold bugs are telling us that that is the "safe" investment for such times, and historically it has been. But whether it turns out to be again such in this monetary collapse remains, in my view, to be seen.

The monetary system is becoming a complete farce, a false flag operation in the extreme, a dog and pony show, pure Kabuki Theatre. The objective is to get us all sufficiently stressed financially that we are desperate for basic needs, so that they can burn the "house" down and impose a new "house" (monetary system, with associated political, police, surveillance, enforcement, legal, political and institutional mechanisms) without having us all give them the middle finger, and with most of us having little choice but (1) accept the deal or (2) starve or (3) die or be imprisoned.

Most likely this present show ends when the master money makers decide it is time to torch the theatre in which we sit, viewing the show. They hope to do that when we are in the proper state of fear and trembling that they can control the panic'd crowd, guarantee their position on the best appointed life boats and retain their control and dominance. There may well be one or two more "spectacular" events in store for us, to help "set the stage."

Rising interest rates, especially on US Treasuries, will be the trigger, and interest rate swaps (derivatives) that Warren Buffet correctly termed weapons of mass financial destruction, will be the financial nuclear bombs, that will be used to torch this theatre.

This will cause overnight bank lending rates (repo rates) to skyrocket. For example, JPMorgan won't lend one lousy dollar to Citi for even one day, for less than CEO Michael Corbat's right arm, out of fear that Citi won't be there the next day to repay.

The failure of these derivatives will cause major banks to fail catastrophically, and shut down most of the remaining "real" economy, which cannot function without a working banking system. The remaining "economic activity" will be either what can be done on primitive, local, means, or what can be imposed by tyrannical martial law and central government control of all basic essentials.

Most "paper" wealth, in banks and brokerages will evaporate, and most future promises to pay pensions and benefits will be forfeited. Property used to secure debt and taxes (people's homes) will risk being foreclosed. The actual worth of a paper dollar bill will become highly unstable, as increasingly no one will have any, and no one will want any.

A collapse of the Japanese or portions of the European bonds markets may well presage this final rise in US Treasury interest rates.

In 2008, the big banks and their wholly owned central banks vacuumed up the previous bubble in mortgage backed securities. Sometime in the next year or three, the next bubble, in US Treasuries, will pop. Some guys with lots of guns, bullets and drones will vacuum that one up.

[TargeT]

This is potentially something having very wide-ranging effects on the well being of U.S. citizens and beyond. Not many can truthfully say they feel no fear about it.

last time it happend (1995) there were 4 planned days off, only 2 actually went unpaid; everyone was back to work in 2 days.

oh, and everyone got paid later for those two days off.

I'm told I still have to come to work tomorrow, but might be sent home after I shut everything down.... I'm not opposed to a mini-vacation, especially if it ends up getting paid back later on.

[Calz]

This is potentially something having very wide-ranging effects on the well being of U.S. citizens and beyond. Not many can truthfully say they feel no fear about it.

last time it happend (1995) there were 4 planned days off, only 2 actually went unpaid; everyone was back to work in 2 days.

oh, and everyone got paid later for those two days off.

I'm told I still have to come to work tomorrow, but might be sent home after I shut everything down.... I'm not opposed to a mini-vacation, especially if it ends up getting paid back later on.


Yep ... the puppets are doing their best to give the illusion that there is real choice ... real government serving the public they (allegedly) represent.

Nonsense.

Despite concerns raised by a few who *would* be impacted here (no disrespect to any hardship on their behalf) ... let there be no doubt the vast core of the beast will continue without skipping a beat.

3 letter agencies ... military ... politicians ... courts and "law enforcement"???

Get real ...




10. If nothing changes, does the government shut down?

Yes, for the first time since late 1995. That one lasted 21 days, into 1996.

11. How will it happen?

There won't be a thunderclap or clang of bells. First order of business? Draw up a dividing line between workers deemed essential or non-essential. Those in the first category will carry on operations. The others will power down until Congress comes to its senses and funds the government.

So, for example, park rangers would start locking up national parks. And most furloughed federal workers are supposed to be out of their offices within four hours of the start of business Tuesday.

12. How many government workers could be furloughed?

Most of the 3.3 million government workers are deemed "essential" -- they'll keep working. But more than 783,000 government employees will sit at home, according to a CNN analysis of contingency plans published by the federal government on Friday. Not all government agencies submitted contingency plans.

13. What will this do to the economy?

Depends on how long it lasts. If it's just a few days, the hit might not be severe. But three or four weeks? "(That) would do significant economic damage" -- reducing GDP by 1.4 percentage points for the quarter, says Mark Zandi, chief economist and co-founder of Moody's Analytics.

14. How will this affect me?

In ways big and small. The mail will continue to come. The military will continue to fight. And Social Security checks will continue to be paid.

But if you need a federal loan to buy a house, you'll have to wait. If you want a gun permit or a passport, that won't happen anytime soon.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/politics/government-shutdown-up-to-speed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Everything you need to know about how a government shutdown works...


My note: The question in my mind is what will happen if these clowns don't agree on at least some basics. So I was glad to see this article describing exactly what will happen. I was concerned about my social security check and this answers that important question at least for me and perhaps many others. Since I found it helpful and reassuring, I thought you might, too:

This article is from the Washington Post ~ By Brad Plumer (http://www.washingtonpost.com/brad-plumer/2011/07/28/gIQAPrqSfI_page.html), Published: September 24 at 10:09 am


If the House and Senate can't agree on a government funding bill by Sept. 30, the federal government will shut down. And, right now, the House and Senate can't agree on a bill. They're wrangling over Obamacare (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/23/theres-much-less-time-to-avoid-a-government-shutdown-than-you-think/).


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/09/kmd_shutz001-606x404.jpg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/09/kmd_shutz001-606x404.jpg)The photograph is cleverly shot to make it look like the gates of the federal government are literally closing. Neat, eh? (The Washington Post)


So... it's time to start thinking about what a federal government shutdown would actually look like.

Not all government functions would simply evaporate come Oct. 1 — Social Security checks would still get mailed, and veterans' hospitals would stay open. But many federal agencies would shut their doors and send their employees home, from the Department of Education to hundreds of national parks.

Here's a look at how a shutdown would work, which parts of the government would close, and which parts of the economy might be affected.

Wait, what? Why is the federal government on the verge of shutting down?

For the rest of the article, here is the link:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/24/everything-you-need-to-know-about-a-government-shutdown/

[Rocky_Shorz]

we learned the last time on a failed congress that the Treasurer along with the Fed can keep US afloat without disruption for 3-5 months...

this is all a big show, a game on how not to run a country just to make a political statement.

Congress was told to work on lowering health care costs, but in 6 years, they haven't even mentioned it...

they just keep on the same old circle, running after their own tails thinking things will change...

those pushing us into a shut down will be tarred and feathered for the next election and will be tossed out with the trash...

forget government, this is only affecting those with money right now, and they have the power to crush anyone who thinks they are being smart...

Epic fail once again by the GOteaParty...

[risveglio]

we learned the last time on a failed congress that the Treasurer along with the Fed can keep US afloat without disruption for 3-5 months...

this is all a big show, a game on how not to run a country just to make a political statement.

Congress was told to work on lowering health care costs, but in 6 years, they haven't even mentioned it...

they just keep on the same old circle, running after their own tails thinking things will change...

those pushing us into a shut down will be tarred and feathered for the next election and will be tossed out with the trash...

forget government, this is only affecting those with money right now, and they have the power to crush anyone who thinks they are being smart...

Epic fail once again by the GOteaParty...

Rocky, you are one of the brightest guys on this forum yet you still fall for this bull****. There is so little hope.

[Robin]

*would*[/B] be impacted here (no disrespect to any hardship on their behalf) ... let there be no doubt the vast core of the beast will continue without skipping a beat.

3 letter agencies ... military ... politicians ... courts and "law enforcement"???

Get real ...

I'm not convinced that this is the case. I think that for the most part the NWO have left Congress alone (i.e. not infiltrated Congress on a physical level). Although it is very likely that the NWO uses tactics to sway their opinions and influence statistics to give them a false reality, I think that Congress is for the most part genuinely trying to represent the people. I think that this ObamaCare opposition was a bit unexpected by the NWO and that they are a little nervous that Congress is starting to wake up.

[Robin]

we learned the last time on a failed congress that the Treasurer along with the Fed can keep US afloat without disruption for 3-5 months...

this is all a big show, a game on how not to run a country just to make a political statement.

Congress was told to work on lowering health care costs, but in 6 years, they haven't even mentioned it...

they just keep on the same old circle, running after their own tails thinking things will change...

those pushing us into a shut down will be tarred and feathered for the next election and will be tossed out with the trash...

forget government, this is only affecting those with money right now, and they have the power to crush anyone who thinks they are being smart...

Epic fail once again by the GOteaParty...

Rocky, you are one of the brightest guys on this forum yet you still fall for this bull****. There is so little hope.

Even if there is so little hope, there is still hope. I am an idealistic-realistic-optimist. As soon as you start saying that "there is so little hope," then you will start believing "there is so little help," and pretty soon you will start manifesting this reality.

There is always hope.

[gripreaper]

Most "paper" wealth, in banks and brokerages will evaporate, and most future promises to pay pensions and benefits will be forfeited. Property used to secure debt and taxes (people's homes) will risk being foreclosed. The actual worth of a paper dollar bill will become highly unstable, as increasingly no one will have any, and no one will want any.

Excellent synopsis Paul, with this paragraph being the central point for most people who still believe they have assets which they can draw upon, even if times get tough. Its going to be a rude awakening for the remaining middle class who will lose the most in terms of hard assets they "think" they own and have control over.

Their stocks and bonds imploding is a pretty easy one to surmise, as well as the dilution of their cash, but what about their house? Well, even if it is paid for, they don't own it. The security which they signed at the closing table, which is a negotiable instrument, a draft, same as cash, they GAVE to the banksters who have leveraged it and resold it 100 times. Remember, you ABANDONED the security by not claiming it within the first three years, and the banksters filed a 1099A with the IRS and took possession of it, since you did not claim it. So, someone owns your money you abandoned. Someone owns the house as collateral against that security you abandoned. They are going to "call" in that leveraged security and demand the collateral one day when this implodes, and many will be out in the street as a result. Even those who rent will be in jeopardy of being displaced.

There will be no recourse, since you alleged homeowners wittingly or unwittingly gave it all to them, lock, stock and barrel.

[Harley]

Just received this.
Thought you all might find this interesting (if not funny!):


CNN Breaking News BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com via ema3lsv06.turner.com
2:25 PM (11 minutes ago)

to textbreakingne.
One faction of one party does not get to shut down the government to fight the results of an election, President Barack Obama said.

"You don't get to extract a ransom for doing your job," Obama said. With a midnight deadline looming, a government shutdown is not inevitable, he said.

Obama's remarks came as a new CNN/ORC International Poll finds that 31% say they see the tea party in a favorable light. Fifty-four percent say they hold an unfavorable view of the movement, an all-time high in CNN polling.

The survey indicates that 48% hold an unfavorable opinion of House Speaker John Boehner and 45% see Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in a negative light, the highest unfavorable ratings for both leaders ever in CNN polling.

Follow complete coverage of the looming government shu tdown on CNN TV, CNN.com and CNN Mobile.

:)

[Camilo]

There will be no government shutdown I guarantee it. They will agree on some bs plan last minute. They always do.

I agree, it's this silly power game to spread fear and do what needs to be done at the very last minute, just to show people what they still can do.

[lizfrench]

Well said. What I wonder is what are they trying to divert us from? Usually when these false flags are in the MSN it means there is something dark/secretive happening behind the curtain. Guess we will see.



There will be no government shutdown I guarantee it. They will agree on some bs plan last minute. They always do.

I agree, it's this silly power game to spread fear and do what needs to be done at the very last minute, just to show people what they still can do.

[Camilo]

The latest inside news:

The Global Currency ReSet is being voted on RIGHT NOW (Monday 12pm PST) in the House and the Senate...it's come down TO THE WIRE and right now it appears that the U.S. is the only element holding this ReSet up...and that there are many contracts that were put in place, even from 10 years ago for this plan, to are to be effective tomorrow, October 1st 2013.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I think they are holding off to sign all the papers for contracts that they need before the deadline. This is really heating up.

[Robin]

Well said. What I wonder is what are they trying to divert us from? Usually when these false flags are in the MSN it means there is something dark/secretive happening behind the curtain. Guess we will see.



There will be no government shutdown I guarantee it. They will agree on some bs plan last minute. They always do.

I agree, it's this silly power game to spread fear and do what needs to be done at the very last minute, just to show people what they still can do.

I very much disagree with this. It doesn't make sense for the NWO jerks to be playing around now. Obamacare is their precious darling project that they NEED to put into effect. Congress is seriously undermining this plan right now. The NWO cannot afford to have anybody question the validity of Obamacare, otherwise they will begin to question other things as well.

I believe that Congress is seriously trying to throw them off and the NWO are getting antsy.

[Harley]

Two hours to go:


CNN Breaking News BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com via ema3lsv06.turner.com
6:40 PM (19 minutes ago)

to textbreakingne.
For the second time today, the Senate has rejected a House Republican effort to derail Obamacare tied to a spending bill that would avert a government shutdown at midnight.

The Democratic-controlled Senate voted to table amendments that would have delayed the individual mandate in the health care law and eliminated health insurance premium subsidies for members of Congress, their staffs and the president.

House Republicans were to meet and discuss their next steps.

[apokalypse]

please explain what Government Shutdown is about?

[Robin]

please explain what Government Shutdown is about?

The United States has different factions of government to balance the power. Of course, this balance has been shattered with the NWO since the Founding of the US in 1776. The United States Constitution shares power between the three branches: Legislative, Executive, and Judicial.

The Untied States Congress (composed of the Senate and House of Representatives) prevent the US president from having too much power (like a dictator) by keeping the President's laws in check.

Because Obama is trying to pass the health care law Obamacare for another year of funding, and Congress does not want to approve it, there is currently a "battle" between the two factions. Congress does not want to approve the Obamacare law because of its corrupt outline and negative history. Obamacare has been in effect for three years now and has caused much turmoil. Because Obama is part of the NWO (which needs this law to enslave humanity), he will not negotiate with Congress on the issue.

Because Congress and Obama cannot come up with an agreement on how best to fund Obamacare, the government will shut down. This means that all funding will stop for non-essential services in the US. These non-essential services include National Parks, Wildlife Refuges, and Museums. The military, police force, hospitals, and all essential services will continue to be funded because they are essential for citizen well-being.

The Untied States fiscal year date is October 1st, where all funding is squared out for the next year. So that's why tonight is important. If a resolution isn't made at midnight on September 30th, there will be a partial shutdown.

So basically, 800,000 workers will be sent home for a duration until Congress and the president can come up with an agreement on funding. This can last a few hours, days, or even months--who knows!! Until a resolution is made, the country will be at unrest. But we'll be on unrest no matter what the US government tries to do.:frusty::director:

[ThePythonicCow]

Two hours to go
The clock has struck midnight in Washington, DC. It is now October 1, 2013 there, and the US government is "partially" shutdown, which means some non-essential workers will are furlowed, and some government service offices will not open. Initially at least, the effects will be modest, unless you are one of those workers now on "vacation" which won't necessarily be paid, or one of those Americans who intended to do business at one of the now closed government offices tomorrow.

From ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-30/shut-happens):




It's 12:01am, do you know where your government is?
WHITE HOUSE BUDGET OFFICE DIRECTS AGENCIES TO BEGIN SHUTDOWN
U.S. GOVERNMENT SHUTS DOWN FOR FIRST TIME IN 17 YEARS


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2013/09/20131001_shuthappens_0.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

please explain what Government Shutdown is about?

This might (or might not!) be helpful. :)

66 questions and answers about the government shutdown (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/29/questions-and-answers-about-the-shutdown/2888419/)

(from USA TODAY)


THE BASICS

1. What causes a shutdown? Under the Constitution, Congress must pass laws to spend money. If Congress can't agree on a spending bill — or if, in the case of the Clinton-era shutdowns, the president vetoes it — the government does not have the legal authority to spend money.

2. What's a continuing resolution? Congress used to spend money by passing a budget first, then 12 separate appropriations bills. That process has broken down (http://media.cq.com/media/billmonths/), and Congress uses a stopgap continuing resolution, or CR, that maintains spending at current levels for all or part of the year.

3. Why can't Congress agree? The Republican-controlled House has passed a spending bill that maintains spending levels but does not provide funding to implement the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare. The Democratic Senate insists that the program be fully funded and that Congress pass what they call a "clean" CR.

4. What is a "clean" CR? A continuing resolution without policy changes.

5. Why is this happening now? The government runs on a fiscal year from Oct. 1 to Sept. 30. Shutdowns can happen at other times of the year when Congress passes a partial-year spending bill.

6. Could government agencies ignore the shutdown? Under a federal law known as the Anti-Deficiency Act, it can be a felony to spend taxpayer money without an appropriation from Congress.

7. When would a shutdown begin? When the fiscal year ends at midnight Monday. Most federal workers would report to work Tuesday, but unless they're deemed "essential," they would work no more than four hours on shutdown-related activities before being furloughed.

8. When would the shutdown end? Immediately after the president signs a spending bill. As a practical matter, it could be noon the following day before most government offices that were shut down would reopen their doors.

9. How many times has the government shut down in the past? Since 1977, there have been 17 shutdowns, according to the Congressional Research Service. (http://media.cq.com/media/billmonths/)

10. How long do shutdowns usually last? Most last no more than three days. Some last less than a day.

11. When was the longest shutdown in history? The longest was also the most recent: from Dec. 16, 1995, through Jan. 5, 1996. That's 21 days.

12. Would this shutdown be different from those in the 1990s? Yes. When the 1995 shutdown started, Congress had already passed three of 13 appropriations bills (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34680.pdf). (They funded military construction, agriculture, and energy and water projects.) Also, more government services are automated.

THE DEBT LIMIT

13. What's the difference between a shutdown and a debt crisis? In a shutdown, the government lacks the legal authority to spend money on non-essential services. In a debt crisis, the government is mandated to spend money — but doesn't have the legal authority to borrow the money to spend it.

14. Are the two related? Only by timing, which is somewhat coincidental.

15. When will the government run out of borrowing authority? Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew says it could come as soon as Oct. 17 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/25/treasury-debt-limit-october-17/2867471/).

16. Has the United States ever defaulted on its debt before? No.

17. If the nation hits the debt limit, will government shut down? That's a big unknown question. The Treasury Department has said the most likely scenario is that it would delay payments, paying only those bills it can afford, using daily tax revenue.

GOVERNMENT SERVICES

18. Will I still get my mail? Yes. The U.S. Postal Service functions as an independent business unit.

19. Can I get a passport? Maybe, but hurry. The Department of State says it has some funds outside the annual congressional appropriation. "Consular operations domestically and overseas will remain 100% operational as long as there are sufficient fees to support operations," the department says (http://www.state.gov/m/rls/2013/214880.htm).

20. Can I visit national parks? No. The National Park Service says day visitors will be told to leave immediately (http://www.doi.gov/shutdown/fy2014/upload/NPS-contingency-plan.pdf), and entrances will be closed.

21. What about campers already in the parks? They will be given two days to leave.

22. Will Washington museums be open? The Smithsonian (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/contingencyplans/2013/smithsonian-shutdown-plan-omb-sep-2013.pdf), the National Zoo and the Holocaust Museum (http://www.ushmm.org/copyright-and-legal-information/closure-plan) would all be closed. Private museums, such as the Newseum, the Spy Museum and Mount Vernon, would remain open. Rule of thumb: If it's usually free, it's probably closed.

23. What about the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts? The Kennedy Center does receive an annual appropriation from Congress, but also runs on ticket revenue and endowment funds. The center expects to stay open through a shutdown (http://www.kennedy-center.org/legal/130927_fed_govt_shutdown.pdf).

24. What about the National Archives?All archives and most presidential libraries will be closed (http://www.archives.gov/contingency-plan/contingency-plan.pdf), unless they're operated by a private foundation — as all pre-Herbert Hoover presidential museums are. The Federal Records Center Program, which supports other agencies, would continue to operate because it uses a revolving fund.

25. Will the District of Columbia shut down? The district does not have complete autonomy and relies on an appropriation from Congress to operate. So during the shutdowns in the 1990s, trash went uncollected, and many city departments closed. In a departure from past shutdowns, Mayor Vincent Gray has informed the Office of Management and Budget that he has deemed all city employees "essential." (http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/276437/158/Congress-has-constitutional-authority-over-the-District-of-Columbia) The district's own attorney general has declared the mayor's plan illegal.

26. Will the Patent and Trademark Office be open? Yes. The office can continue to operate off user fees and other funds (http://www.commerce.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2013/september/2013_doc_lapse_in_appropriations_plan_9_27.pdf) for at least four weeks before having to shut down.

27. Would food safety inspections continue? Mostly. The Food Safety and Inspection Service (http://www.usda.gov/documents/usda-fsis-shutdown-plan.pdf) would continue all safety-related activities. The Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration would continue inspections to the extent they're paid by user fees (http://www.usda.gov/documents/usda-gipsa-shutdown-plan.pdf), "but inability to investigate alleged violations could hamper corrective action in the long term and could have an immediate impact on members of industry." The Food and Drug Administration would limit its activities but continue to monitor recalls and conduct investigations (http://www.hhs.gov/budget/fy2014/fy2014contingency_staffing_plan-rev2.pdf).

28. Will the government still release economic data? Probably. The weekly unemployment claims number would still come out, and the September jobs report, due out Friday, probably will, too. The Department of Commerce reasons that some of its data is so economically sensitive (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/28/what-to-expect-when-youre-expecting-a-shutdown/) that delaying it risks that it will be leaked.

29. Would the government continue to enforce wage and hour laws? The laws will still be in effect, but the Department of Labor's Wage and Hour Division would suspend operations (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/28/what-to-expect-when-youre-expecting-a-shutdown/).

30. Will disaster response be affected? No. However, all "non-disaster" grants — such as state and local preparedness programs — would be postponed, the Department of Homeland Security says (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/contingencyplans/2013/dhs-lapse-plan-summary-09-27-13.pdf).

31. Will e-Verify be affected? Yes. The government system to allow companies to voluntarily check the legal work status of its employees would be shut down (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/contingencyplans/2013/dhs-lapse-plan-summary-09-27-13.pdf).

STORY: Blame game for impending shutdown (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/29/government-shutdown-congress/2891147/)

GOVERNMENT BENEFITS

32. Would a shutdown put the brakes on implementing the Affordable Care Act, or "Obamacare?" No. The state-run exchanges for the uninsured would open as scheduled Tuesday. "The marketplaces will be open on Tuesday, no matter what, even if there is a government shutdown," President Obama said Friday.

33. Why not? Like Social Security or Medicaid, Obamacare is a permanent entitlement that isn't subject to annual funding by Congress. "Many of the core parts of the health care law are funded through mandatory appropriations and wouldn't be affected, (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/viewart/20130927/NEWS/309270099/Partial-shutdown-wouldn-t-bring-down-Obamacare)" Gary Cohen, the Health and Human Services Department official overseeing the health care rollout, said last week.

34. Would seniors continue to get Social Security benefits? Yes. Social Security is a mandatory spending program (http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/24/retirement/shutdown-social-security/), and the people who send those checks would continue to work under a legal doctrine called "necessary implication."

35. Can I apply for Social Security benefits, appeal a denial of benefits, change my address or sign up for direct deposit? Yes. (http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pressoffice/shutdown2013.pdf)

36. Can I get a new or replacement Social Security card, benefit verification statement or earnings record correction? No. (http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pressoffice/shutdown2013.pdf)

37. Would the government continue to pay unemployment benefits? Yes. The Employment and Training Administration "will continue to provide essential functions, as occurred during the shutdown of 1995," according to the Department of Labor contingency plan (http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/opa/shutdown_plan2013.pdf).

38. Will I be able to get food stamps? Yes. The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) is funded through the Recovery Act (http://www.usda.gov/documents/usda-fns-shutdown-plan.pdf) and from funds that don't expire for another year, the U.S. Department of Agriculture says.

39. What about WIC? No money would be available to pay the administrative costs (http://www.usda.gov/documents/usda-fns-shutdown-plan.pdf) of the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children. But because it's administered by states, there may be state funds available.

40. And the federal school lunch program? Schools are reimbursed for these costs on a monthly basis and are allowed to carry over funds from the previous fiscal year. The USDA expects most schools will be able to continue providing meals through October.

41. What will happen to veterans receiving compensation for service- or combat-related wounds and injuries? The Department of Veterans Affairs said if the shutdown continues into late October, it will run out of money for compensation and pension checks to more than 3.6 million veterans who rely on the money to support themselves.

42. Can I still get a federally backed loan? Maybe not. "Federal loans for rural communities, small business owners, families buying a home will be frozen," President Obama said Friday.

43. Does that mean I can't get an FHA mortgage? No. The Federal Housing Administration says it "will endorse new loans under current multi-year appropriation authority in order to support the health and stability of the U.S. mortgage market."

44. Does that mean I can't get a VA mortgage? No. The Department of Veterans Affairs says loans are funded via user fees and should continue. However, during the last shutdown, "loan Guaranty certificates of eligibility and certificates of reasonable value were delayed."

45. Will deceased veterans still be able to get a burial benefit? Yes. Burial benefits, headstones and death notices (http://www.va.gov/opa/docs/VA_Contingency_Plan_Document_20130927.pdf) will still be available.

TAXES

46. Would the IRS continue to collect taxes? Yes. All payments would be processed. (http://www.treasury.gov/connect/blog/Documents/FY2014%20Shutdown%20Plan_Non-Filing--Final_Web%20Verison.pdf) More than 12 million people have requested an extension on their 2012 taxes (http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/Tax-filing-and-Payment-Extensions-Expire-Oct.-15;-Check-Eligibility-for-Overlooked-Tax-Benefits;-Choose-efile;-Payment-Options-Available), which expires Oct. 15.

47. Will my refund be delayed? Possibly, especially if the taxpayer files a paper return.

48. What about taxpayer assistance? Walk-in assistance centers and telephone hotlines would be closed.

49. I'm being audited by the IRS. Would a shutdown affect me? Yes. The IRS will suspend all audit activities.

EMPLOYMENT

50. How many federal employees would be furloughed? The government has not given an official estimate.

51. Does anyone have a guess? J. David Cox, president of the American Federation of Government employees, said he expects the number will be 800,000 to 1 million (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/agencies-prepare-to-furlough-workers-in-face-of-partial-government-shutdown/2013/09/26/d1b7b336-26db-11e3-b3e9-d97fb087acd6_story.html), out of 2.1 million federal employees. That's consistent with a USA TODAY analysis of 2011 shutdown contingency plans (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/23/government-shutdown-furloughs-exempt/2855461/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28USATODAY+-+News+Top+Stories%29), which found that 59% of non-defense government employees would continue to work.

52. Why do some federal employees continue to work during a shutdown? The law — or at least, the Justice Department's interpretation of it — contains exemptions for several classes of employees: The biggest exemption is for employees necessary to protect public health, safety or property. But property could include government data, ongoing research experiments or other intangibles. Political appointees are exempt because they cannot be placed on leave by law. Employees necessary for the president to carry out his constitutional responsibilities are exempt. Finally, employees whose salaries are paid from sources outside an annual spending bill can still get paid and report to work.

53. Who decides which employees work and which go home? Each agency is responsible for coming up with its own contingency plan, based on guidance from the Office of Management and Budget (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/memoranda/2013/m-13-22.pdf) and the Office of Personnel Management (http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/furlough-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf). Those plans are then sent to the White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/contingency-plans) for review.

54. Would the president be paid during a shutdown? Yes. The president's $400,000 salary is mandatory spending. If furloughs begin to affect the government's ability to process payroll, his paycheck could be delayed.

55. What about White House staff? Some high-ranking presidential appointees are exempt from the Annual and Sick Leave Act of 1951, which means they can essentially be made to work unpaid overtime. Also, any employee necessary for the president to carry out his constitutional duties would be exempt.

56. And the president's personal aides? The White House has 90 staffers who work in the residence. During a shutdown, 15 of them would stay on the job (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/eop_contingency_plan.pdf).

57. Would Congress continue to be paid during a shutdown? Yes. The 27th Amendment (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxvii) to the Constitution, ratified in 1992, holds that "No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of representatives shall have intervened." Intended to prevent Congress from voting itself a raise, it also protects members from a pay cut (http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20130926/CONGRESS/309260009/Lawmakers-shutdown-debate-will-get-paid-no-matter-what).

58. What about congressional staff? Like other federal employees, they would be deemed essential or non-essential (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/324737-hill-staffers-facing-lost-pay-non-essential-label). Essential staff would include those necessary to carry out constitutional responsibilities, such as the parliamentarians, or for protection of members, such as the sergeants-at-arms. Staff of the appropriations committees may also be needed to write the law that would end the shutdown.

59. Would active-duty military be furloughed? No. All active-duty military are essential and should report as scheduled Tuesday (http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20130927/NEWS05/309270021/DoD-comptroller-outlines-shutdown-plans-work-pay-travel), the Department of Defense said Friday.

60. Will civilian defense workers be furloughed? About half of them, or about 400,000, will be sent home, according to the Defense Department's contingency plan (http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2013/0913_govtshutdown/).

61. Would active-duty military be paid during a shutdown? If a shutdown lasts longer than a week, the Pentagon might not be able to process its payroll in time for the Oct. 15 paychecks, Defense Department Comptroller Robert Hale said Friday (http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20130927/NEWS05/309270021/DoD-comptroller-outlines-shutdown-plans-work-pay-travel). The House passed a separate bill early Sunday (http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20130929/BENEFITS02/309290001/House-votes-protect-military-pay-shutdown-looks-more-likely) that would appropriate money for active-duty and reserve paychecks regardless of the shutdown — and also pay for support services to make sure they get paid. That bill passed the House 422-0, but still must go to the Senate.

62. Could federal employees simply volunteer their services? No. A 19th-century federal law forbids volunteers because the government doesn't want them filing claims for back pay after the shutdown is over, according to a legal analysis by Washington attorney Raymond Natter (http://www.bsnlawfirm.com/newsletter/OP0413_Natter.pdf).

63. Would federal employees get paid retroactively, even if they didn't work? Maybe. Congress granted retroactive pay to furloughed workers after the shutdowns of the mid-1990s, but that wouldn't necessarily happen again. "I believe this time is going to be much different. This is a much different Congress than the 1995 Congress," said Cox, federal employee union president. "I'm not sure that they'd even want to go back and pay the people who worked."

THE LONG TERM

64. How much money would a shutdown save taxpayers? Most likely, it wouldn't. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget says shutdowns cost money (http://crfb.org/sites/default/files/09232013_everything_you_should_know_about_government_shutdowns.pdf) in terms of contingency planning, lost user fees and back pay. A government estimate after the shutdown in 1995-96 estimated its cost at $1.4 billion.

65. What effect would a shutdown have on the economy? Economists say even a short shutdown — of three or four days — would begin to shave decimal points off economic growth. A sustained shutdown of three or four weeks "would do significant economic damage," economist Mark Zandi told USA TODAY (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/09/25/government-shutdown-debt-ceiling-economy/2863433/).

66. What about the stock market? The Standard & Poor's 500 fell 3.7% during the 1995-96 government shutdown (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2013/09/27/stock-market-scenarios-political-fiscal-brinkmanship/2877061/), according to S&P Capital IQ. Stocks quickly rebounded after the government got back to work, rising 10.5% the month after the shutdown ended.

[Harley]

Shutting-er-Down


CNN Breaking News BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com via ema3lsv06.turner.com
9:04 PM (9 minutes ago)

to textbreakingne.
After a day of the Republican-controlled House and Democratic-controlled Senate playing chicken over a spending bill that would keep the government running, neither side blinked and the White House ordered federal government agencies to begin shutting down, furloughing thousands of workers and curtailing some services for the first time in nearly 18 years.

The Senate twice on Monday stripped House amendments from the spending bill and sent it back to the House. As the clock struck midnight, the House was debating a procedural move to appoint negotiators for a conference committee to try to work out differences between the two chambers. But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid rejected that move even before it left the House, saying, "We will not negotiate with a gun to our head.

President Barack Obama delivered a message to members of the military over Armed Forces Television that they would get what they needed to carry out their

mission and that they would get their paychecks as scheduled. To Department of Defense civilians and government contractors, his message was less certain: "You and your families deserve better than the dysfunction we're seeing in Congress," Obama said. Follow complete coverage of the shutdown on CNN TV, CNN.com and CNN Mobile.

[Harley]

Oh, I almost forgot . . .
This is important!

23031

Couldn't Resist! LOL

:)

[jagman]

Oh NO... The Government shut down. How will we ever change our poopy little diapers without
the Great and Powerful OZ. Everyone relax. This is only political theater.The real fight is
in 2 weeks. "The Debt Ceiling" (Our ability to borrow MONEY) If they cant reach an agreement
on that one? It's time to start worrying.

[gripreaper]

I guess its okay for me to post anything I want because the NSA is on furlough?

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Rocky_Shorz]

GOP has already rewritten one that will go through, there are only 30 tea party members that refuse to allow anything to go through without disrupting the healthcare coming in January.

the GOP is about to break the news to the tea party that they don't matter, they are moving forward without them...

the new funding will pass with an overwhelming majority.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Oh, I almost forgot . . .
This is important!

23031

Couldn't Resist! LOL

:)

They must be loving the GOP, for NASA's 55th anniversary they all get an extended vacation... woo hoo!!!

uh oh, didn't we have an astroid approaching NASA needed to keep their eyes on?

no worries...

the tea party will sit around singing kumbaya and pray for us...

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

So what will happen if congress vote against raising the debt ceiling?

[jagman]

So what will happen if congress vote against raising the debt ceiling?

The stock market could tank possibly.The US credit rating will be down
graded again. Worse case scenerio would probably be Depression
But since most of us are already living this reality it wont hurt to much lol

[Rocky_Shorz]

175 Republicans are ready to vote yes on moving forward without the blackmail, 200 Democrats are ready to say yes when they do...

30 die hard tea partiers celebrating the win of a lifetime shutting down the US tonight, tomorrow will wake up to a new reality, GOP has clicked mute...

it really isn't as bad as most people think and it can miraculously get signed by midnight tomorrow...

[dianna]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-M4nV3vf6E

[Conchis]

I just wish that what followed were the petition signing to recall all of the members of Congress. Every single one of them.

[RunningDeer]

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Dr. Corsi: "...The only you are going to loose everything is to give the government more power..."


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[SilentFeathers]

This is basically just an illusion to usher in an economic false flag fear and panic inducing event......and to keep the agenda 21 affordable health care act moving forward.


Obama on Monday said, “The Affordable Care Act is moving forward. That funding is already in place. You can’t shut it down.”

"Government Shutdown" is just a cover label and lie to what's really going on.....all the big players will still get paid and all the big ABC agencies will remain operational and active. (especially DHS, NSA, and FEMA)

If it was a real government shutdown all politicians, agencies, etc would be ordered to go home without pay, but in reality what we are seeing is a complete lie and a designed maneuver to once again manipulate the masses.

Without a false flag event to rock the economy, people will see that this "shut down" has absolutely no effect and means little (with perhaps 99.9% of the actual gov.), it will only "affect" pockets of "civilians".....that they now can't get a gun permit, wander around in national parks, lay offs, and still must prepare for ObamaCare.

It's all by design folk's, watch for a scare tactic soon to trick the masses in to believing this shutdown is a disaster!

Added: They should be calling this shutdown, "Sequester: Phase 2"


se·ques·ter transitive verb \si-ˈkwes-tər\
: to keep (a person or group) apart from other people

law : to take (property) until a debt has been paid
se·ques·teredse·ques·ter·ing
Full Definition of SEQUESTER

1
a : to set apart : segregate <sequester a jury>
b : seclude, withdraw <widely spaced homes are forbiddingly grand and sequestered — Don Asher>
2
a : to seize especially by a writ of sequestration
b : to place (property) in custody especially in sequestration
3
: to hold (as a metallic ion) in solution usually by inclusion in an appropriate coordination complex

[TargeT]

Oh NO... The Government shut down. How will we ever change our poopy little diapers without
the Great and Powerful OZ. Everyone relax. This is only political theater.The real fight is
in 2 weeks. "The Debt Ceiling" (Our ability to borrow MONEY) If they cant reach an agreement
on that one? It's time to start worrying.

This political theater comes directly out of my paycheck..... this does effect people, I'm shutting down my office right now; the offical "go home" time is 1200 est for all workers.



This is basically just an illusion to usher in an economic false flag fear and panic inducing event......and to keep the agenda 21 affordable health care act moving forward.


Obama on Monday said, “The Affordable Care Act is moving forward. That funding is already in place. You can’t shut it down.”

"Government Shutdown" is just a cover label and lie to what's really going on.....all the big players will still get paid and all the big ABC agencies will remain operational and active. (especially DHS, NSA, and FEMA)

If it was a real government shutdown all politicians, agencies, etc would be ordered to go home without pay, but in reality what we are seeing is a complete lie and a designed maneuver to once again manipulate the masses.

Without a false flag event to rock the economy, people will see that this "shut down" has absolutely no effect and means little.....except that they now can't get a gun permit, wander around in national parks, and still must prepare for ObamaCare.

It's all by design folk's, watch for a scare tactic soon to trick the masses in to believing this shutdown is a disaster!


not a disaster, well not if you budget right, but loosing money for a few hundred thousand people who count on it is not really "nothing".

it's not the end of the world either of course..

[SilentFeathers]

Oh NO... The Government shut down. How will we ever change our poopy little diapers without
the Great and Powerful OZ. Everyone relax. This is only political theater.The real fight is
in 2 weeks. "The Debt Ceiling" (Our ability to borrow MONEY) If they cant reach an agreement
on that one? It's time to start worrying.

This political theater comes directly out of my paycheck..... this does effect people, I'm shutting down my office right now; the offical "go home" time is 1200 est for all workers.



This is basically just an illusion to usher in an economic false flag fear and panic inducing event......and to keep the agenda 21 affordable health care act moving forward.


Obama on Monday said, “The Affordable Care Act is moving forward. That funding is already in place. You can’t shut it down.”

"Government Shutdown" is just a cover label and lie to what's really going on.....all the big players will still get paid and all the big ABC agencies will remain operational and active. (especially DHS, NSA, and FEMA)

If it was a real government shutdown all politicians, agencies, etc would be ordered to go home without pay, but in reality what we are seeing is a complete lie and a designed maneuver to once again manipulate the masses.

Without a false flag event to rock the economy, people will see that this "shut down" has absolutely no effect and means little.....except that they now can't get a gun permit, wander around in national parks, and still must prepare for ObamaCare.

It's all by design folk's, watch for a scare tactic soon to trick the masses in to believing this shutdown is a disaster!


not a disaster, well not if you budget right, but loosing money for a few hundred thousand people who count on it is not really "nothing".

it's not the end of the world either of course..

Sorry to hear your taking a hit due to this TargetT, I edited my post as I meant the fat cats in DC it means nothing to, not people like you and I, (civilians) specifically "non-essential" people.

I'm sure they'll make the masses suffer here and there to pound their agenda home a bit so to speak....many are waking up to these DC games and illusions....I'm really sensing that this will have some blowback to many polticians and to the Obama administration.

[jagman]

Oh NO... The Government shut down. How will we ever change our poopy little diapers without
the Great and Powerful OZ. Everyone relax. This is only political theater.The real fight is
in 2 weeks. "The Debt Ceiling" (Our ability to borrow MONEY) If they cant reach an agreement
on that one? It's time to start worrying.

This political theater comes directly out of my paycheck..... this does effect people, I'm shutting down my office right now; the offical "go home" time is 1200 est for all workers.



This is basically just an illusion to usher in an economic false flag fear and panic inducing event......and to keep the agenda 21 affordable health care act moving forward.


Obama on Monday said, “The Affordable Care Act is moving forward. That funding is already in place. You can’t shut it down.”

"Government Shutdown" is just a cover label and lie to what's really going on.....all the big players will still get paid and all the big ABC agencies will remain operational and active. (especially DHS, NSA, and FEMA)

If it was a real government shutdown all politicians, agencies, etc would be ordered to go home without pay, but in reality what we are seeing is a complete lie and a designed maneuver to once again manipulate the masses.

Without a false flag event to rock the economy, people will see that this "shut down" has absolutely no effect and means little.....except that they now can't get a gun permit, wander around in national parks, and still must prepare for ObamaCare.

It's all by design folk's, watch for a scare tactic soon to trick the masses in to believing this shutdown is a disaster!


not a disaster, well not if you budget right, but loosing money for a few hundred thousand people who count on it is not really "nothing".

it's not the end of the world either of course..

TargeT, Wrong choice of words on my part. Sorry. I should have said
most wont be affected.

[TargeT]

TargeT, Wrong choice of words on my part. Sorry. I should have said
most wont be affected.




Sorry to hear your taking a hit due to this TargetT, I edited my post as I meant the fat cats in DC it means nothing to, not people like you and I, (civilians) specifically "non-essential" people.

I'm sure they'll make the masses suffer here and there to pound their agenda home a bit so to speak....many are waking up to these DC games and illusions....I'm really sensing that this will have some blowback to many polticians and to the Obama administration.


No hard feelings on my part, just trying to bring the full picture back into focus; for the most part you guys are right.

Looking at my agency and seeing who is deemed "essential" and who is not makes it clear: the upper crust (even at the "lower levels") won't be affected by this, this shut down is designed to put pressure on the "common man" which makes congress's actions just that much more out-of-touch with their constituency.

Personally, I don't mind a few days off, I have quite a few projects that need attention at home; I just hope it lasts at least until Monday so I get the weekend off too ;)

[Jake]

I don't think I will entertain the idea of a Government job for awhile. Go figure, part of what is considered ESSENTIAL Government is NSA Spying!!!


On Friday, the Defense Department released its plans for dealing with a potential shutdown. In a memo, intelligence and surveillance programs were listed as essential duties of the department not be affected by a shutdown

Every single American, should be enraged by this. Folks who were 'essential' Yesterday, are not 'essential' today. But the spy program lives on!!!

Are their Americans here who still believe that the US government is looking out for their best interests???

My opinion,,, if they are ALL so inept that they cant keep the government running, then they should all be fired. A vote that ends up in a Shutdown of government, should also carry a penalty of losing your government job. I just watched Obama smiling and laughing and waving,,, then takes the 'stage' and dawns his 'gloomy president' look.

I am Cherokee,,, I love this land. American Indians lived on this continent for upwards of ten thousand years,,, without a single Republican or Democrat,,,,
Can you believe that??? Tens of thousands of years, without a single Government Shutdown!!!

My understanding was that our Founding Fathers, and the many settlers came to America to escape GOVERNMENT control.

Where do we run to now, America??? Where is the new NEW world,

Frustrated
Jake.

[mountain_jim]

Perhaps unrelated, but I have been unable to access my (US chartered) bank for online banking for last 3 hours, for the claimed reason of 'scheduled maintenance.'

I figured it would be up by start of regular biz hours but so far that is not the case.

[SilentFeathers]

By the way, don't forget to sign up for ObamaCare today so you can have "free" health care that'll basically cost you the little bit of money that you have left.....

Government shut down????? yeah right! sounds like they are hard at work to me!

While "non-essentials" are getting kicked in the teeth and knocked on their butts so to speak, some other "essentials" are celebrating and laughing all the way to the bank!

[donk]

I’d like to offer the view of a recovering politics addict. Background: I was the guy that watched CSPAN, CSPAN2 when it came out and was excited for CSPAN3. I actually read the bills that the legislatures “wrote”. I was glued to the TV every time my favorite characters (W, Ari, Sweaty Scotty McClellan (my favorite of all time), Condi, and especially the rare appearances when Big Dick would emerge from his undisclosed Legion of Doom HQ) came on my favorite program (US Official Press conferences), that I took really personally and believed that it mattered to me.

From 1999 to about aught-seven—the peak and downturn in my engagement were the aught-six elections, where apparently I gave our “government” the three election strikes and you’re out—they did nothing to fix the “problems” of the ’00 “counting votes” issue we were having…when we as a country stopped pretending that your vote mattered in real life, only saying “your vote counts” did…even when there was a tie in your county, or your dead neighbor and his family were shown to have posthumous votes for their favorite Republican (cuz zombies <3 neocons!!). I could no longer direct my energy to the sort out the cognitive dissonance I was required to master in order to believe that such things as “freedom”, “democracy”, “representation”, “for the people”, and all that nonsense really came from our “elected” officials

What I learned is this: It is all just a great big reality show. The characters rarely have any practical effect on real life of the “people”, there is behind-the-scenes wheeling and dealing, and the consolidation of power in to certain individuals and organizations, but everything you see on teevee is only a glimmer of anything that has any applications except for manipulating the people’s “hearts & minds”© (phrase trademarked by the ministry of love).

I am a huge Survivor fan…but forgive me if I feel it requires a huge suspension of disbelief. When I watch, I emerge myself in the illusory world, and pretend that the people selected survive on their own—with the possibility of being in danger of losing their lives or hurting themselves really bad (despite the fact that a death or maiming would never be allowed on family programming, not to mention insurance issues), that they get no help from the producers (even though there always seems to be such interesting, near miraculous twists—which you’d have to assume are contrived), no sleep or make up (the bugs and critters never seem to bite them, all 20 always have great skin and look amazing on camera). I believe that that the rules are set up to be fair (and ignore for one hour that they MUST be geared toward keeping people watching—screw the participants). That’s what I have to do to enjoy the show.

The truth of both reality shows is that it is presentation, a product for consumption…one who’s purpose is entertainment (manipulating hearts), while the other’s primary goal is transmitting information (manipulating minds)…but both do a great job of achieving the secondary purpose as well—otherwise, they’d probably lose half their audience. There is a framework of rules, which we are made to believe are set in stone—they are what makes up the “game”. But what happens is when they start losing their target audience, the producers bring in the big guns, and introduce a gimmicky game changer to hook you back in.

In Survivor, when the ratings start slipping (or are in danger of slipping) because of the dynamics of the live game—they switch up the tribes, bring somebody back, or the MC throws a fit or puts on a show and some unprecedented gimmick is introduced….fans are instantly hooked and remain engaged. In extreme cases—the audience is actively engaged—and Survivor will have jumped the shark (I know that phrase is meta-joke, which has jumped the shark itself—but stay with me), they will have the fans calling in or voting or otherwise directly engaged somehow.

This is what I believe is happening now in politics—the gov’t has run out of gimmicks, and are engaging the audience—roping them into the game as the producers want them to believe it. They need us to continue to believe in and honor the rules that they want you to believe (even though they mostly screw you) and ignore the absurdity of, or even applaud the gimmicks they come up with to keep the game going.

Please don’t take me as insensitive to the people that are directly hurt by this--just like Probst can’t help that he has enforce certain rules to crush individual survivor’s dreams…we’re just messengers, calling it the way we see it. He stays within the rules as they are dictated, like a press secretary for the WH…don’t hate the players, hate the game.

This game was up long ago. The little gimmicks—remove Glass-Steagal here, say you fixed the voting there, throw in a some emotional issue with sex or race or something there, but in real life, the game is not supporting that we are forced into the cognitive dissonance of believing. This is how I interpret reality, anyway—and is the purpose of this post:

I urge caution in believing anything the teevee and media tell you, remind you that the way this game has worked was always “unprecedented”—they just want you to believe there was some good old days where economics and balancing national budgets was a zero-sum game—this is a fiction, just like it is a fiction the best suited is gonna win Survivor.

We are lead to believe that the rules are casino-style—sure the odds are rigged to be in the house’s favor but we are taught to accept that, the house deserves it cuz they keep it fair and always consistently enforce them. This is an illusion, the game is like Survivor…the rules only followed when it suits the “house”, otherwise, there is wild unexpected twists. This shut down is one of those twists. Someone is definitely f*cked, but it ain’t the producers.

The Jeff Probst’s (the news folk) will dramatically declare them, most people will unquestioningly go along…what I am urging though is to remember that you didn’t audition or sign up for this one—you never had much of a chance at the big prize…and for most of us this game-change doesn’t help our chances, so remember that we are all in this together, we need to focus on reality—not as dictated to us, or that we are tricked into believing—but as a real existence with actual consequences that we have been observing are usually different from what we were taught to think.

So all this bloviating, and I guess the real message I hope to share is this: THINK. OBSERVE. TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS. Nothing has ever been as it seems…even though we were taught to put a lot of stock what things “seems”. This is not a real paradigm shift—it’s happened before and nothing’s really changed except the same thing congress always changes—where the money and resources are being moved around to.

Focus on the fact that what the government (or corporations or any organization) “does” is ultimately individuals’ decisions…for far too long none of them have been held accountable thanks to hiding behind these group labels—remember, the US Gov’t didn’t shut itself down—individuals (who I don’t really believe your vote matter about) made decisions…I think this is very important to keep in mind. Individual people make up the gov’t, the masses of individuals believe in it (another decision), find the responsibility, the things that you can control versus the things you can’t (not time for the “blame game”…hehe!), and where you focus your intent and emotional energy.

People waking up and recognizing this will be the real paradigm shift…and it is happening now, inevitably started some time long (but not too long) ago when the producers overreached and overextended themselves (according to the rules they set up). They have been steadily adjusting, but this marks desperation for them—they for some reason need the full attention of the public NOW. Vigilantly seek the real purpose for this, rather than discuss the rules as dictated or the personalities as presented.

Don’t Panic…we are all one… reality—TRUTH—trumps any contrived game…we reap what we sow, that is just how it is—pointless to resist.

All is well, I love you all….forgive any redundancy, and the fact that I can barely stomach reading people’s opinion that I respect a lot…I just have a hard time delving into it any more—just thought I’d offer my perspective…now I’m off to see who got voted off the island this week, no spoilers :p ;)

[Tesseract]

Market movements as of 11:40 am

S&P500: up 0.74 %
Nasdaq: up 0.96 %
Gold: down 2.97 %
Silver: down 4.15 %
US$: down 0.09 %

Next stop: debt ceiling

[donk]

I'm old enough to remember when the debt ceiling was troublesome when it was approaching hundred millions (with an M), and the inconceivable notion of breaking it would (**gasp**) cause a shut down of government :p

[risveglio]

$9 Trillion dollars disappeared during the bailout. We are supposedly $16 trillion in debt in which the public is owed $11 trillion. If its not obviously all bull**** to you, well how did you end up on Avalon? As for the public employees, I do feel bad for them but if I saw my boss run his company like the way the US government has been run in my lifetime, I would be willing to take half my salary to move to another company. I took a 3/4 during the .com bubble cause I could see the company i worked for had no future.

[donk]

Money very rarely "disappears". And there's a sell to every buy (and vice versa).

Good examples of the cognitive dissonance required: that red and green for those numbers? That's not for a zero-sum game, that's for one requiring infinite growth. They mention this...sometimes, usually leaving the "infinite" part out.

We're taught that parasitic behavior is not only "good", but necessary--at the most essential survival level.

We're taught we should eat our cake and have it too. If the "economy" can't, it won't work anymore (dollars will be worthless). Most of us need dollars to stay alive.

Politics' job is to distract us from this fact, to divert the responsibility from those deciding on having and maintaining this arrangement--ingeniously blaming it on institutions and the inevitable, unchangable, almighty "system"

[giovonni]

some insight for those not so familiar with the bizarre reality that exist within the Washington beltway's political world ...


http://planetwashington.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/online-poker-dysfunctional-politics-small.jpg

Rebels Without a Clue

From Paul Krugman (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/30/opinion/krugman-rebels-without-a-clue.html?hp&_r=0)

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42XjjsMfTFI&feature=player_detailpage


http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-september-30-2013/jon-stewart-s-rockin--shutdown-eve

[Mulder]

There will be no government shutdown I guarantee it. They will agree on some bs plan last minute. They always do.
The last time the government came to the brink of a shutdown, in 2011, the commissaries were among the services that the Defense Department chose to keep open, after initially announcing that they would close. That shutdown was avoided in a last minute government funding deal between the House and Senate.

No, the Govt has now "shut-down," but it's just drama to scare the sheeple - most of Govt is still functioning e.g. there's still cops writing tickets and bureaucrats running your lives....

n9uGw2pzukg

[778 neighbour of some guy]

O drama scare??:rolleyes:

[donk]

Just received a talking points for our clients memo from our fearless leaders for all staff, basically stating:

We been here before (18th shutdown since '70)
Stay calm and f*** everybody (no reason to change investment strategies)
Debt ceiling is key (but they don't think THEIR leaders--congress--want it to last, besides, what's a few (16.7) trillion amongst creditors--the fed knows the treasury is good for it!)
No real impact even if it goes weeks


Well, it wasn't those exact words...but you get the gist. Business as usual people, govt shut down don't scare my Too Medium Not To Be Bought By TBTF (my bank is a TMNTBBBT)

[gripreaper]

http://isthegovernmentopen.com/images/obama.gif

[Atlas]

The last time the government came to the brink of a shutdown, in 2011, the commissaries were among the services that the Defense Department chose to keep open, after initially announcing that they would close. That shutdown was avoided in a last minute government funding deal between the House and Senate.

No, the Govt has now "shut-down," but it's just drama to scare the sheeple - most of Govt is still functioning e.g. there's still cops writing tickets and bureaucrats running your lives....
Right.

THE US Senate has rejected a last-minute spending measure approved over the weekend by the House, tossing the fight back into the lap of Speaker John Boehner with just hours to go until US federal agencies begin cutting off services and furloughing workers.

The vote was 54-46 along party lines to reject a one-year delay of the health law, which was attached to a plan to fund the government through December 15.

Source: senate-rejects-obamacare-delay-pushing-government-shutdown-closer (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/wall-street-journal/senate-rejects-obamacare-delay-pushing-government-shutdown-closer/story-fnay3ubk-1226730474161#)

[Robin]

Just received a talking points for our clients memo from our fearless leaders for all staff, basically stating:

We been here before (18th shutdown since '70)
Stay calm and f*** everybody (no reason to change investment strategies)
Debt ceiling is key (but they don't think THEIR leaders--congress--want it to last, besides, what's a few (16.7) trillion amongst creditors--the fed knows the treasury is good for it!)
No real impact even if it goes weeks


Well, it wasn't those exact words...but you get the gist. Business as usual people, govt shut down don't scare my Too Medium Not To Be Bought By TBTF (my bank is a TMNTBBBT)

Does TMNTBBBT by any chance have to do with a bank run by The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (TMNT)? :jester:

23040

[donk]

Heh...I was trying for TMNT-BFF, but ain't creative enough

[M0JFK]

The debt is an illusion anyway. Money created out of nothing with interest bearing on it to boot. The debt is fake folks but with this fake debt comes great control of the masses. The shutdown of government alas is just another diversion ploy to have the people occupied with yet another staged problem instead on focusing on another American revolution that America desperately needs to wrestle back its freedoms from the Rothschild's elites that are all bought and paid for in every corner of the house. No revolution? Then you better start enjoying your serfdom because that's where America is just about at.

[Bob]

I don't think I will entertain the idea of a Government job for awhile. Go figure, part of what is considered ESSENTIAL Government is NSA Spying!!!


On Friday, the Defense Department released its plans for dealing with a potential shutdown. In a memo, intelligence and surveillance programs were listed as essential duties of the department not be affected by a shutdown

Every single American, should be enraged by this. Folks who were 'essential' Yesterday, are not 'essential' today. But the spy program lives on!!!

Are their Americans here who still believe that the US government is looking out for their best interests???

My opinion,,, if they are ALL so inept that they cant keep the government running, then they should all be fired. A vote that ends up in a Shutdown of government, should also carry a penalty of losing your government job. I just watched Obama smiling and laughing and waving,,, then takes the 'stage' and dawns his 'gloomy president' look.

I am Cherokee,,, I love this land. American Indians lived on this continent for upwards of ten thousand years,,, without a single Republican or Democrat,,,,
Can you believe that??? Tens of thousands of years, without a single Government Shutdown!!!

My understanding was that our Founding Fathers, and the many settlers came to America to escape GOVERNMENT control.

Where do we run to now, America??? Where is the new NEW world,

Frustrated
Jake.

Howa' Jake - to hi do

And if "Congress" ends up impeached for its "inaction" - martial law? As in Greece? ( mil saying ok, no pay.. next step? ) - - blessings... do `da ga g`hv -I

[Rocky_Shorz]

right now President Obama needs to help the GOP save face with offering something, after going through the website, one concession might be to wave the penalty for 2014 for those uninsured.

it cost $95/yr adult not to have insurance and $45 for kids for those who don't get covered

[fifi]

Some humorous blogs:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/01/shutdown-snark-govtshutdownpickuplines/?hpt=hp_t3

- No worries, the NSA isn't watching us tonight
- Hit on a girl, got shut down faster than the United States Government
- You might be non-essential to Uncle Sam, but you'll always be essential to me.
- I can't get #veteran benefits, so can i get #friendswithbenefits ?

[risveglio]

right now President Obama needs to help the GOP save face with offering something, after going through the website, one concession might be to wave the penalty for 2014 for those uninsured.

it cost $95/yr adult not to have insurance and $45 for kids for those who don't get covered

Otherwise known as the individual mandate which has been offered along with removing the tax on devices that I know have most diabetics ****ting bricks. So your solution is one already offered by the heel side of government if you are watching mainstream news. What a bunch of ****ing bull****.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Obama Wanted Government Shutdown—And Probably Default As Well

October 1, 2013 • 4:00PM

An informed Washington source says that Obama, directed by Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod, wanted this government shutdown, anticipating that it will damage the Republicans more than himself. He is trying to force Democrats into line by offering the prospect of retaking the House of Representatives in 2014, and has a superPAC raising Wall Street money for selected House Democratic candidates. For example, he made no attempt to call Reid, McConnell, Boehner and Pelosi to the White House to settle the matter as he has in the past. Instead, he went on television Monday with a statement blaming Republicans.

NPR asked him in a Monday interview, "If there is no agreement, if the debt ceiling is — debt limit reached, if the United States is going into default or at risk of going into default, you absolutely will not negotiate, even in that circumstance?" Obama answered, "I will absolutely not negotiate." Asked whether he would even negotiate on repealing the medical devices tax, he said no, not under threat of shutdown or default.

The U.S. government default, the first in its history, which will probably follow some time after October 17 if this impasse continues, will trigger a far greater catastrophe. But already, the 700,000 furloughed Federal workers in the DC area represent about 15% of the workforce in that area, on top of an effective 5% already furloughed or laid off under the sequester. Effectively, 15% of the workforce has been furloughed in a day. Another large part of the Washington workforce is Federal contractors. Federal agencies are now calling contractors to tell them which contracts will continue and which are suspended. Many employees of contractors will probably be laid off, rather than simply furloughed. All told, this combined blow will have an enormous ripple effect on the economy in this area. Add to this that the paychecks of the Federal workers who are still at work will be delayed until the end of the shutdown, if it lasts longer than a week or two. Will we see the beginning of Detroit conditions coming to the nation's capital?

Source (http://larouchepac.com/node/28374)

[Rocky_Shorz]

right now President Obama needs to help the GOP save face with offering something, after going through the website, one concession might be to wave the penalty for 2014 for those uninsured.

it cost $95/yr adult not to have insurance and $45 for kids for those who don't get covered

Otherwise known as the individual mandate which has been offered along with removing the tax on devices that I know have most diabetics ****ting bricks. So your solution is one already offered by the heel side of government if you are watching mainstream news. What a bunch of ****ing bull****.

I've been staying away from mainstream news, Russia Today paid for by the Kremlin is free now, CNN Fox MSNBC and the other paid stations aren't reaching the public who can't afford to pay the extra $50 a month for brain damage news... from recent reports, that is over half the families in the country now watching Russian News...

[Robin]

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a graduate of the Naval Academy, told reporters that the cancellation of the Air Force-Navy game would be the “defining moment” of the shutdown.

“The apocalypse is upon us,” McCain lamented.

Here's the full article:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/325933-surprises-abound-as-shutdown-begins

I think John McCain is foreshadowing that this shutdown is indeed the start of the end of their plan.

[Calz]

:doh:

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/56500/Dr-Evil-John-McCain---56838.jpg

[SilentFeathers]

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a graduate of the Naval Academy, told reporters that the cancellation of the Air Force-Navy game would be the “defining moment” of the shutdown.

“The apocalypse is upon us,” McCain lamented.

Here's the full article:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/325933-surprises-abound-as-shutdown-begins

I think John McCain is foreshadowing that this shutdown is indeed the start of the end of their plan.

Another event will happen real soon that the MSM will focus on and pound into the minds of the masses and the shutdown will basically become rusty and old in a micro-second so to speak and largely forgotten about. Seems to be the pattern lately.....one event after another and the ones before the last event quickly fade away and simmer on the back-burner.

[Robin]

^^^^ain't that the cold, hard truth. :eek:

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a graduate of the Naval Academy, told reporters that the cancellation of the Air Force-Navy game would be the “defining moment” of the shutdown.

“The apocalypse is upon us,” McCain lamented.

Here's the full article:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/325933-surprises-abound-as-shutdown-begins

I think John McCain is foreshadowing that this shutdown is indeed the start of the end of their plan.

Another event will happen real soon that the MSM will focus on and pound into the minds of the masses and the shutdown will basically become rusty and old in a micro-second so to speak and largely forgotten about. Seems to be the pattern lately.....one event after another and the ones before the last event quickly fade away and simmer on the back-burner.

You're probably right . . and that definitely has been the pattern for some time, BUT. . . . .Why do I have this feeling that this time all their political games are somehow going to backfire on them . . . and something good is going to slip in. Let's visualize and focus on that, shall we!

[SilentFeathers]

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a graduate of the Naval Academy, told reporters that the cancellation of the Air Force-Navy game would be the “defining moment” of the shutdown.

“The apocalypse is upon us,” McCain lamented.

Here's the full article:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/325933-surprises-abound-as-shutdown-begins

I think John McCain is foreshadowing that this shutdown is indeed the start of the end of their plan.

Another event will happen real soon that the MSM will focus on and pound into the minds of the masses and the shutdown will basically become rusty and old in a micro-second so to speak and largely forgotten about. Seems to be the pattern lately.....one event after another and the ones before the last event quickly fade away and simmer on the back-burner.

You're probably right . . and that definitely has been the pattern for some time, BUT. . . . .Why do I have this feeling that this time all their political games are somehow going to backfire on them . . . and something good is going to slip in. Let's visualize and focus on that, shall we!

I sense they'll get some back slapping and backfire from this shutdown event too; Obama thinks he's demonizing the republicans, the republicans think they are demonizing the democrats.....and everyone else on the outside looking in who is even just slightly paying attention and has a clue is demonizing both parties, thinking all people in office are complete idiots. Their BS crap isn't working very well for them anymore and most people who are not zombied out see them as complete failures and worthless bobbleheads.

We're close to seeing an "American Winter" rising out of no where.....

[SilentFeathers]

Hmmmmm......Obama has more security at the WW2 Memorial than he did at Benghazi.
I reckon 90 year old's in wheel chairs are more dangerous than the heavily armed radical fighters in the Middle East and North Africa.

[Mulder]

right now President Obama needs to help the GOP save face with offering something, after going through the website, one concession might be to wave the penalty for 2014 for those uninsured.

it cost $95/yr adult not to have insurance and $45 for kids for those who don't get covered

Otherwise known as the individual mandate which has been offered along with removing the tax on devices that I know have most diabetics ****ting bricks. So your solution is one already offered by the heel side of government if you are watching mainstream news. What a bunch of ****ing bull****.

I've been staying away from mainstream news, Russia Today paid for by the Kremlin is free now, CNN Fox MSNBC and the other paid stations aren't reaching the public who can't afford to pay the extra $50 a month for brain damage news... from recent reports, that is over half the families in the country now watching Russian News...

Maybe this is what Edgar Caycee foresaw when he said "Russia will be the hope of the world."

[risveglio]

right now President Obama needs to help the GOP save face with offering something, after going through the website, one concession might be to wave the penalty for 2014 for those uninsured.

it cost $95/yr adult not to have insurance and $45 for kids for those who don't get covered

Otherwise known as the individual mandate which has been offered along with removing the tax on devices that I know have most diabetics ****ting bricks. So your solution is one already offered by the heel side of government if you are watching mainstream news. What a bunch of ****ing bull****.

I've been staying away from mainstream news, Russia Today paid for by the Kremlin is free now, CNN Fox MSNBC and the other paid stations aren't reaching the public who can't afford to pay the extra $50 a month for brain damage news... from recent reports, that is over half the families in the country now watching Russian News...

Maybe this is what Edgar Caycee foresaw when he said "Russia will be the hope of the world."

As long as you are religious and not gay I guess.

[Rocky_Shorz]

have you seen what they are rolling out through their website?


Russian military: 'Space troops not yet ready to fight aliens (http://rt.com/news/russian-space-troops-aliens-631/)’

If I remember right, they had a weapon track and destroy an object coming in at 25,000 MPH...

I wonder who they are worried about?

False flag Alien attack we were told was coming a while back? naaaa

[Atlas]

Russian military: 'Space troops not yet ready to fight aliens (http://rt.com/news/russian-space-troops-aliens-631/)’If I remember right, they had a weapon track and destroy an object coming in at 25,000 MPH...

I wonder who they are worried about?
They are not worried:

“We are unfortunately not ready to fight extraterrestrial civilizations,” the center’s deputy chief Sergey Berezhnoy explained.

“Our center was not tasked with it. There are too many problems on Earth and near it,” he added.

[Rocky_Shorz]

"near it" left me wondering...

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Region 3 arms and training, supplies MUST be completed/delivered by October 1
Government Closing Down October 2 ?
Octobber 3 ?

hmm

Here's another piece of the puzzle for ya -- the US Air Force is shutting down the Space Fence (http://www.spacenews.com/article/military-space/36655shelton-orders-shutdown-of-space-fence) on October 1st.

I wonder if this has anything to do with "Comet ISON" rolling in. Even if Comet ISON is just a comet, I find this interesting. Maybe they want to conceal the influx of alien spacecraft coming in to observe?

aaah thats the piece of the puzzle missing

Comet tragectory headed for region 3

just so happens to be a spot they prepared for

turn off the fence so they cannot track in coming

rocks fall

and then they mop up

that way there is no blame ,,,it was a falling rock .. like 911 but better ..

wow

you guys are so lucky living in such a fantastic country with such fantastic leadership .. i would most definitely stay just to see what happens.

ummm

( sorry for the sarcasm ,sometimes it gets the point across much faster )

N

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:doh:

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/56500/Dr-Evil-John-McCain---56838.jpg

i resent this photo

firstly he cant raise his arms that high and secondly i adore doctor evil ! he is my hero !

hmm

N

[Rocky_Shorz]

so Russia is admitting they aren't ready for an alien attack, and us shut down the inbound tracking system?

maybe the false flag alien attack is closer than we thought...

[Calz]

Neil Young "how long ... how long"???


1JSBhI_0at0

[Rocky_Shorz]

in case we suddenly have a global power shut down, remember everyone your garbage disposal is a wind generator, pull it out, attach blades find a pole high enough to catch wind and you should cover basic needs in your home...

get back to Avalon as soon as your Satellite modem connects...

don't tell me you didn't spend the $25 for a Sat modem... tsk tsk tsk...

[TargeT]

still on unpaid vacation.... go government!

[ulli]

still on unpaid vacation.... go government!

So what is your back-up plan, Target?
Will you manage ok?

[bennycog]

Sorry I have not been on in awhile.. I have been working my fingers to the bone..
Who knows which outcome is going to come from this.
From being able to continue living on debt for the world to new currency or some form of default followed by war.. or from revolt and invasion from other country to finding resolve amongst every American standing together..
It is already effecting everything by the drop in the gold price. Right now if anybody holds a job you should take a pay cut if asked just so you can keep that job.
You are going to be the lucky ones..
interesting article on RT right here..
im sure there are more than 10 ways..

http://rt.com/usa/us-government-shutdown-effects-550/

1 Countdown to US default looms

A halt of US government operations would drag the world’s biggest economy closer to bankruptcy, something unprecedented in US history. If no budget deal is done, the US would bump up against their “debt ceiling” and run out of money by October 17. By then, the US government would have less than $30 billion cash on hand, Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew has calculated.

2 Hundreds of thousands of federal employees on furlough

A one-time layoff of 800,000 people working for the US government would erode the earlier projected economic growth of 2.5 percent for the fourth quarter of 2013 by about 0.32 percentage points, according to a forecast by Mark Zandi, chief economist and co-founder of Moody's Analytics. That projection assumes a two-week shutdown. If it drags into a whole month, the loss of GDP would rise to 1.4 percentage points.

3 Troops’ paychecks stopped

About 1.4 million military active-duty personnel would keep on working, but with their paychecks delayed. Approval for troops’ paychecks is dependent on Obama’s proposed 2014 federal budget being passed by Congress.

4 Women and children’s nutrition program threatened

Pregnant women and new moms who are poor and facing “nutrition risk” won’t be able to buy healthy food, as a looming shutdown would put bracers on the $6 billion Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women Infants and Children (WIC).

5 $85 billion in cuts to federal programs

When a shutdown was last threatened in March 2013, it would have resulted in $85 billion in automatic cuts in spending on federal programs – many aimed at alleviating social hardship. The cuts, known as sequestration, would affect grants to local organizations and funds that keep those programs running.

6 Housing loans halted

US federal programs that provide for about 30 percent of all new loans in the housing market – a backbone of the country’s economy – will be shut down. Government funding of new businesses will also be halted, as well as workplace health and safety inspections.

7 Trade talks scuppered?

US plans to have a Pacific trade deal, the Trans Pacific Partnership, signed with the US’s Asian partners could stall, as Obama may decide not to travel to this weekend’s Bali, Indonesia meeting of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation nations. While he could still go if no deal is done by then, it could be a gift for his Republican opponents if Obama was seen to be jetting off to a tropical paradise at a time when federal employees were sent home without pay.

8 Visa delays likely

Thousands of Americans may not be able to get passports for foreign travel, and tourists travelling to the US will likely face delays in visa processing. During the last government shutdown in 1996-97, some 20,000-30,000 applications remained unprocessed daily.

9 Space program on hold

Space agency NASA will be hit the most, as the agency will need to furlough about 97 percent of its employees, though it will continue to keep workers at Mission Control in Houston and elsewhere to support the International Space Station, where the two NASA astronauts currently on board, Michael Hopkins and Karen Nyberg, may not know whether they have jobs to come back to.

10 National parks, museums and zoos would close to the public

State-funded museums, art galleries and zoos across the country would keep their doors closed Tuesday, leaving thousands of employees furloughed and visitors unable to see attractions. US national parks, from Yosemite to the Shenandoahs, as well as Washington’s National Mall, Lincoln Memorial and Constitution Gardens, would also be closed.

[risveglio]

Our murderer in chief is going to visit his real bosses for money.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-meets-with-goldman-sachs-for-new-line-of-credit-in-violation-of-us-law/5352631

[Phoenix1304]

Video at the link below - Obama's comments on the matter in a long address to a Maryland construction company.

Damn he's good.

Anyone care to comment on those that claim he is some kind of light warrior, working from within the system to effect change. Not that threatening to drop bombs on Syria recently really lent credence to the notion I know, but ever hopeful.

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/barack-obama

[Etherios]

well i got an intense thought about this today the moment i read the new capitol attack.

Try to connect the dots ... they fake the gov shutdown. They closed what they thought was not needed or what they thought will make an effect on the people (memorials).

The attack, the memorials, the weird comments about laying off people ... i think they are trying to shutdown what they want and keep it shutdown. This is the start that might change the USA Gov and how it works ...

[Sidney]

Gee, what a coincidence. They ran out of money. Then they shut down what they can, the very same day that they begin raping people financially, via the healthcare scam. The rates fo this BS insurance are unbelievable with even more unbelievable deductables.

I am sorry to say it outloud but when are the people going to stand up and say NO. OH yeah, AND the very timing when ISON needs to be watched, but can't because NASA is shut down too. Convenient.

Seriously, how much more BS are we suppose to take sitting down.

[donk]

Gee, what a coincidence. They ran out of money. Then they shut down what they can, the very same day that they begin raping people financially, via the healthcare scam. The rates fo this BS insurance are unbelievable with even more unbelievable deductables.

I am sorry to say it outloud but when are the people going to stand up and say NO. OH yeah, AND the very timing when ISON needs to be watched, but can't because NASA is shut down too. Convenient.

Seriously, how much more BS are we suppose to take sitting down.

I feel you sid, though I am reminded of the first time my ex told me she hadn't been paying the bills--it took several days to compute--I can't even begin to imagine the emotions, sure I repressed it, remember it being really the strangest feeling I ever had--a huge denial I had, shattered. I didn't even understand what it meant, let alone allow myself to think it was possible

It was like when years later I told a friend she was living at the house, even though we hadn't paid mortgage for 18 months. She didn't believe it, couldn't comprehend. How can you live in a foreclosed house? I tried to explain a force field didn't go up or anything--and the bank had more important priorities than our sh1tty underwater house, but she stared at me blankly, could not compute, but probably didn't have to. We got into a fight about something and she never had to think about it again (yet)

We are so programmed to the money paradigm, most won't even cope if there's some kind of catastrophe. I consider myself of at least average intelligence & ability to see reality, yet the programming had me clinging to my victimhood/need for the system. Somebody did a good of making us feel like there is no other way of life than the almighty ECONOMY and it's precious MONEY...

[Camilo]

All of this is absolutely none sense. The hard right Republican Congressmen will be forced to give up their position as other moderate Republicans see the writing on the wall and agree to fund the government.

In the long run, this is disastrous for the Republican Party, as they will be looked at as buffoons by most—the majority—of the U.S. citizens. Senator Cruz will try for the Presidency and will be quickly counted out. People will recognize that his hardball tactics do not work in a political atmosphere that requires compromise.

[risveglio]

All of this is absolutely none sense. The hard right Republican Congressmen will be forced to give up their position as other moderate Republicans see the writing on the wall and agree to fund the government.

In the long run, this is disastrous for the Republican Party, as they will be looked at as buffoons by most—the majority—of the U.S. citizens. Senator Cruz will try for the Presidency and will be quickly counted out. People will recognize that his hardball tactics do not work in a political atmosphere that requires compromise.

You really think so? It seems to me that the Republican's are the only ones trying and the President and Mr Reid are saying noway. But it is all nonsense. Earlier today Reid and Boehner met to see how they can keep there special subsidies in healthcare.

http://benswann.com/breaking-john-boehner-and-harry-reid-secret-meetings-to-protect-their-own-healthcare-subsidies/

I really hope this is the end of both parties, but with over 125 million morons that vote in this country, i don't hold much hope. I hear Uruguay is nice and still has some freedoms left.

[TargeT]

still on unpaid vacation.... go government!

So what is your back-up plan, Target?
Will you manage ok?

Depends on how long it goes for, I'm fine for now & I can't imagine this lasting longer than Monday (or at least I hope...).

certainly seems like both parties are taking a "hard" position on this and backing down for either is probably looked on poorly by party strategists.

[norman]

still on unpaid vacation.... go government!

So what is your back-up plan, Target?
Will you manage ok?

Depends on how long it goes for, I'm fine for now & I can't imagine this lasting longer than Monday (or at least I hope...).



certainly seems like both parties are taking a "hard" position on this and backing down for either is probably looked on poorly by party strategists.


We'd better start calling this an experiment then.

So, what's the main scientific advantages of it ?

[TargeT]

still on unpaid vacation.... go government!

So what is your back-up plan, Target?
Will you manage ok?

Depends on how long it goes for, I'm fine for now & I can't imagine this lasting longer than Monday (or at least I hope...).



certainly seems like both parties are taking a "hard" position on this and backing down for either is probably looked on poorly by party strategists.


We'd better start calling this an experiment then.

So, what's the main scientific advantages of it ?


I'm not so sure I follow, advantages of the shut down or of not backing down?

[Anchor]

News Anchor has a great rant and proposes a solution:

OlSd9OURbCE

[Anchor]

still on unpaid vacation.... go government!

You are not alone....

http://i.imgur.com/Z9zj7kY.jpg

[dianna]

Peter Klein on Shutdown Doublespeak


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBR-g3L3qFE

[donk]

still on unpaid vacation.... go government!

So what is your back-up plan, Target?
Will you manage ok?

Depends on how long it goes for, I'm fine for now & I can't imagine this lasting longer than Monday (or at least I hope...).



certainly seems like both parties are taking a "hard" position on this and backing down for either is probably looked on poorly by party strategists.


We'd better start calling this an experiment then.

So, what's the main scientific advantages of it ?


I'm not so sure I follow, advantages of the shut down or of not backing down?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the shutdown is a sociological experiment, in the typical problem-reaction-solution vain. My question is it the "solution" (gov being broke would be "problem", congress recognizing it being the "reaction")...or is the shutdown the problem, and they are still guaging our reaction to decide which solution to implement?

[Sidney]

One good thing has come out of the shutdown. (FWIW)- Federal parks are closed for the opening of hunting season.:) GO BAMBI:llama::llama::llama:

[Bill Ryan]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the shutdown is a sociological experiment, in the typical problem-reaction-solution vain. My question is it the "solution" (gov being broke would be "problem", congress recognizing it being the "reaction")...or is the shutdown the problem, and they are still guaging our reaction to decide which solution to implement?

You could be right. It feels just a little as if it could be the first pawn move (a chess analogy) in a ten-moves-to-checkmate plan that is REALLY hard to see through. I do NOT know what the rest of the moves are, or how the checkmate is planned to happen.

The chess analogy may be quite a good one. Chess grandmasters implement brilliant strategies that are designed to work pretty much no matter what their opponent does (unless they can see at an early enough stage EXACTLY what is the plan is).

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The chess analogy may be quite a good one. Chess grandmasters implement brilliant strategies that are designed to work pretty much no matter what their opponent does (unless they can see at an early enough stage EXACTLY what is the plan is).

I suspect this is a multi-dimensional chess game with many different players and agendas. The influence probably ranges from being very low key to outright demanding.

After a few moves we should have a better idea of what may become a short term outcome.

[giovonni]

“We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

The cheap tricks of the game (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/)

[TargeT]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the shutdown is a sociological experiment, in the typical problem-reaction-solution vain. My question is it the "solution" (gov being broke would be "problem", congress recognizing it being the "reaction")...or is the shutdown the problem, and they are still guaging our reaction to decide which solution to implement?

You could be right. It feels just a little as if it could be the first pawn move (a chess analogy) in a ten-moves-to-checkmate plan that is REALLY hard to see through. I do NOT know what the rest of the moves are, or how the checkmate is planned to happen.

The chess analogy may be quite a good one. Chess grandmasters implement brilliant strategies that are designed to work pretty much no matter what their opponent does (unless they can see at an early enough stage EXACTLY what is the plan is).

Lots of rumors pointing to November/December catastrophe... some astrological reasons for it too; I could see this being the camels nose under the tent...

I don't watch TV, not even when my job is in the balance, but the rumors I hear are possible resolution by early next week... seems too short to me if that's the case (unless the desired metrics have already been gathered).

:shrug:

[VirgoSun79]

Lots of rumors pointing to November/December catastrophe... some astrological reasons for it too;

:shrug:

Oh, there are some astrological fireworks going on right now that most people don't even realize is happening. October WILL be one for the record books.

[Mulder]

[QUOTE=Rocky_Shorz;738120][QUOTE=risveglio;738083][QUOTE=Rocky_Shorz;738070]

Maybe this is what Edgar Caycee foresaw when he said "Russia will be the hope of the world."

As long as you are religious and not gay I guess.

OK, I get the joke - Russia is anti-gay, and religious. But remember, they've had decades of atheistic communism where religion was made illegal and churches were burned, Priests were killed, etc. so they are going to fight for their religion. Gays are safe, as it's not against the law to be gay (as it was under communism), but it can't be promoted to children.

[observer]

The 'buzzword' that is being overlooked here is "non-essential employees".

There are approximately one million "non-essential employees" affected by the shut-down. How much do you suspect this translates into weekly paychecks.... add to that all the benefits.


How does the government continue to operate with only "essential" employees?
Should it be the job of the government to continue paying the wages for non-essential services?
The government only increases the cost of doing business as a ruse to push its citizens further into debt.
More debt equals greater profits to the International Bankers.

It's about time this farce be discontinued.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The government only increases the cost of doing business as a ruse to push its citizens further into debt.
More debt equals greater profits to the International Bankers.



Big Bump :bump:

[SilentFeathers]

Any other time of "financial crisis" the FED just simply ramps up those printing presses and creates billions out of thin air to make the folks happy, this should be no different, but it is; there's more going on here than meets the eye IMO.

Alot of this mess began the exact same day ObummerCare opened for business. The debt ceiling fiasco is about to be the MSM's focal point soon too.....all these "crisis" are clouding the fact that the most draconian action (ObummerCare) since the NDAA is taking effect right now.

Government Shutdown? nothing could be farther from the truth...they are rocking and rolling and conducting business as usual. Getting rid of non-essential employees is a business maneuver to shift a little cash flow around and get rid of dead weight so to speak.

What we are seeing here folk's is another shifting of wealth going on and another round of raping the masses out of more money through ObummerCare.......another forceful shift to get even more control of the masses through forcing many to go on foodstamps/welfare/unemployment, and to get the majority of the masses to "opt-in" to a health care system that actually has more to do with slavery, control, and punishment than it has to do with "medical assistance/healthcare".

I'm sure I am only scraping the surface to what's really going on with this shutdown, but I'd bet bottle of cold medicine that ObummerCare won't even cover the cost of this bottle of cold medicine and that just signing up for it is basically taking the "mark of the beast" :)

PS: another phase of Martial Law just got implemented IMO

Related:

FEDS TRY TO CLOSE THE OCEAN BECAUSE OF SHUTDOWN


the National Park Service informed charter boat captains in Florida that the Florida Bay was "closed" due to the shutdown. Until government funding is restored, the fishing boats are prohibited from taking anglers into 1,100 square-miles of open ocean. Fishing is also prohibited at Biscayne National Park during the shutdown.

Apparently, according to an anonymous Park Service ranger, “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/05/Feds-Try-to-Close-the-OCEAN-Because-of-Shutdown

Much going on that the MSM isn't cramming down our throats....


"A Corporate Trojan Horse": Obama Pushes Secretive TPP Trade Pact, Would Rewrite Swath of U.S. Laws
As the federal government shutdown continues, Secretary of State John Kerry heads to Asia for secret talks on a sweeping new trade deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The TPP is often referred to by critics as "NAFTA on steroids," and would establish a free trade zone that would stretch from Vietnam to Chile, encompassing 800 million people — about a third of world trade and nearly 40 percent of the global economy. While the text of the treaty has been largely negotiated behind closed doors and, until June, kept secret from Congress, more than 600 corporate advisers reportedly have access to the measure, including employees of Halliburton and Monsanto. "This is not mainly about trade," says Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch. "It is a corporate Trojan horse. The agreement has 29 chapters, and only five of them have to do with trade. The other 24 chapters either handcuff our domestic governments, limiting food safety, environmental standards, financial regulation, energy and climate policy, or establishing new powers for corporations."
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/04/a_corporate_trojan_horse_obama_pushes

[Vitalux]

http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/116/0/b/the_end_is_near_by_mpokimageworks-d3exhda.jpg

[SilentFeathers]

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/enough_to_bomb_syria.jpg

[Mulder]

Hey Paul ,

Is there a long way to go from goverment shutdown to US financial default?

Yes, there's a VERY long way because the USA will NEVER default as they can and will print all money needed to pay all debts (maybe a little late). All that's happening now is FEAR PORN (and IMO its working). Compare the situation in Greece, where they cannot print Euros to cover their debts - so Greece has defaulted, but the USA never will.

By the way, the US can keep it's "slow burn" going for several more years if the elite want to (which IMO they do).

[TargeT]

well, I'm back at work.

the time off makes me want to be independently wealthy... I was busier at home than I am at work (normally); it really underscored how much time is wasted "at work" and how our society has robbed us of our time/energy with this high employment economic model.

[ulli]

well, I'm back at work.

the time off makes me want to be independently wealthy... I was busier at home than I am at work (normally); it really underscored how much time is wasted "at work" and how our society has robbed us of our time/energy with this high employment economic model.

You, Target, coming to this realization was the main reason for the entire shutdown ..
And don't you doubt this for one minute.

[TargeT]

well, I'm back at work.

the time off makes me want to be independently wealthy... I was busier at home than I am at work (normally); it really underscored how much time is wasted "at work" and how our society has robbed us of our time/energy with this high employment economic model.

You, Target, coming to this realization was the main reason for the entire shutdown ..
And don't you doubt this for one minute.

well, that seems entirely too "me" centered; however I can see how you meant it in a broader sense perhaps and that “my” situation (or at least this realization) may have been repeated many times by the some 800,000 government workers that keep the "machine" functioning, most of whom are still not back to work..

I just discovered I'm working for free today... apparently nothing has been passed and yet they still recalled us; some local decision based on the fact that we "may" be getting paid back in the future for our time off.

we have a meeting in a few hours on this topic, I'm quite interested in what they will say (and really it's the main reason I've stayed after finding out the government is still "shut down")..

Maybe I should have checked a bit further into this topic before just believing what I was told by my supervisor... (another lesson, I'm sure...)

[4evrneo]

I am starting to feel like a sitting duck in Ariz. With border patrol stand down, who knows who is coming in. With Ariz. stopping welfare, people dependant on it are in for some serious stress and chaos to follow.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelysanders/goverment-shutdown-makes-imported-food-less-safe

http://www.14news.com/story/23622165/ariz-only-state-cutting-welfare-in-govt-shutdown

http://www.infowars.com/border-patrol-rep-claims-agents-being-ordered-to-stand-down/

Beam me up scotty! :rapture:

[ulli]

Wow, to all of you. May you all receive inspiration, and try to follow your personal dreams,
especially if the US government as a job provider didn't feature in them.

[Conchis]

So they introduce a bill, to pay the employees during the time that they aren't working, when they finally do get around to putting the government back in business. So...ummm...is you are going to pay all of the folks in the government, whey don't you ummm...put the government back in business and then wrestle with what bugs ya?

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I'm not sure about the reliability of this news site or its content.

A friend of mine just passed me this article...Maybe you should read it, just in case:

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/pentagon-warns-to-expect-radical-change-in-us-government-soon/


Pentagon Warns To Expect “Radical” Change In US Government Soon

A highly troubling “urgent bulletin” issued earlier today by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) states that it has received information from the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) warning to expect a “radical change” in the government of the United States, possibly within the next fortnight, based on information they have received from “highly placed” sources within the Pentagon.

According to this MoFA bulletin, GRU intelligence assests were notified by their Pentagon counterparts this past week that President Barack Obama is preparing to invoke the powers given to him under 50 USC Chapter 13 to hold that various American States are now in a “state of insurrection” thus allowing him to invoke the National Emergencies Act under 50 USC § 1621 and invoke the highly controversial “continuity of government” plan for the United States allowing him, in essence, to rule with supreme powers...

Raf.

[rgray222]

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1378352_680105872000394_937489803_n.jpg

[Bongo]

Hey folks,

I'm not sure about the reliability of this news site or its content.

A friend of mine just passed me this article...Maybe you should read it, just in case:

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/pentagon-warns-to-expect-radical-change-in-us-government-soon/


Pentagon Warns To Expect “Radical” Change In US Government Soon

A highly troubling “urgent bulletin” issued earlier today by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) states that it has received information from the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) warning to expect a “radical change” in the government of the United States, possibly within the next fortnight, based on information they have received from “highly placed” sources within the Pentagon.

According to this MoFA bulletin, GRU intelligence assests were notified by their Pentagon counterparts this past week that President Barack Obama is preparing to invoke the powers given to him under 50 USC Chapter 13 to hold that various American States are now in a “state of insurrection” thus allowing him to invoke the National Emergencies Act under 50 USC § 1621 and invoke the highly controversial “continuity of government” plan for the United States allowing him, in essence, to rule with supreme powers...

Raf.

I am sure that is from sorcha faal

[KiwiElf]

Yes Looney & Raf, it is [from Sorcha Faal]. But in the event of a complete shutdown and default on the 17th, this time the information is reasonably accurate... ;)

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I'm not sure about the reliability of this news site or its content.

A friend of mine just passed me this article...Maybe you should read it, just in case:

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/pentagon-warns-to-expect-radical-change-in-us-government-soon/


Pentagon Warns To Expect “Radical” Change In US Government Soon

A highly troubling “urgent bulletin” issued earlier today by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) states that it has received information from the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) warning to expect a “radical change” in the government of the United States, possibly within the next fortnight, based on information they have received from “highly placed” sources within the Pentagon.

According to this MoFA bulletin, GRU intelligence assests were notified by their Pentagon counterparts this past week that President Barack Obama is preparing to invoke the powers given to him under 50 USC Chapter 13 to hold that various American States are now in a “state of insurrection” thus allowing him to invoke the National Emergencies Act under 50 USC § 1621 and invoke the highly controversial “continuity of government” plan for the United States allowing him, in essence, to rule with supreme powers...

Raf.

I am sure that is from sorcha faal

Oops...Yes, it is.

Here's the original Sorcha Faal link (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1711.htm), which by the way, you can simply ignore.

Sorry guys, I didn't pay attention to the link at the bottom of the article. My bad.

Raf.

[KiwiElf]

Hehe,... I would suggest, DON'T ignore it

[SilentFeathers]

Hey folks,

I'm not sure about the reliability of this news site or its content.

A friend of mine just passed me this article...Maybe you should read it, just in case:

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/pentagon-warns-to-expect-radical-change-in-us-government-soon/


Pentagon Warns To Expect “Radical” Change In US Government Soon

A highly troubling “urgent bulletin” issued earlier today by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) states that it has received information from the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) warning to expect a “radical change” in the government of the United States, possibly within the next fortnight, based on information they have received from “highly placed” sources within the Pentagon.

According to this MoFA bulletin, GRU intelligence assests were notified by their Pentagon counterparts this past week that President Barack Obama is preparing to invoke the powers given to him under 50 USC Chapter 13 to hold that various American States are now in a “state of insurrection” thus allowing him to invoke the National Emergencies Act under 50 USC § 1621 and invoke the highly controversial “continuity of government” plan for the United States allowing him, in essence, to rule with supreme powers...

Raf.

I am sure that is from sorcha faal

Oops...Yes, it is.

Here's the original Sorcha Faal link (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1711.htm), which by the way, you can simply ignore.

Sorry guys, I didn't pay attention to the link at the bottom of the article. My bad.

Raf.

What's a matter Raf, ya getting a little rusty? LOL!

Sorcha Faal?, well for once I'm not totally ignoring this disinfo agents claims; Obama could pull some wild executive orders from his sleeve on this one.

But, personally I don't think he will; either the republicans will cave or he will.

Right now the Fed's (under Obama's orders) are basically committing financial terrorism against many private business's trying to make money with this shut down.

'Gestapo' tactics meet senior citizens at Yellowstone
http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x1442580373/Gestapo-tactics-meet-senior-citizens-at-Yellowstone

They're also targeting private business places trying to make a buck on the Blue Ridge Parkway near where I am at too; allowing the Parkway to remain open except in places that involve private business owners, camping etc etc. It's quite pathetic what they are doing.

Not to mention blocking vets from memorials and even arresting some of them.

There's a lot more biased actions going on too that are quite targeted and ridiculous. Just surf news sites that are not 100% democratically controlled and you'll find lots.

I imagine by the 17th many people are going to be quite mad as hell.....if the republicans don't cave by then Obama will have to bust a move to look like a savior again.

Note: there is always a chance of default, and if that happens the whole global economy will be shaken and perhaps the dollar will turn to 100% toilet paper.

Stock up folks and get ready for anything.....every financial event that has happened since 2008 has blasted us much closer to total collapse, this is no different. One of these times it may just happen. Each crisis seems to be nudging us closer to the edge of the cliff....I think the USA is actually over the cliff hanging on by it's finger nails only.

PS: I would suggest Obama give Bernanke a call and get a couple more trillion printed up asap!

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[bennycog]

http://rt.com/files/news/20/ac/e0/00/us_debt_breakdown.jpg

Would not these countries that have put so much of their own wealth into the United states speak up a little more than what they are?
Unless they had inside information that this all is a song and dance.. showboating..

source:
http://rt.com/business/china-us-default-debt-838/

[SilentFeathers]

Would not these countries that have put so much of their own wealth into the United states speak up a little more than what they are?
Unless they had inside information that this all is a song and dance.. showboating..

Why would they say anything? they're in on it too....

PS: another shift at the round table....


Janet Yellen to be named Fed chair on Wednesday: White House
After months of speculation, it's official: Janet Yellen will be the next chair of the Federal Reserve, succeeding Ben Bernanke.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101093040

[ThePythonicCow]

Would not these countries that have put so much of their own wealth into the United states speak up a little more than what they are?
Unless they had inside information that this all is a song and dance.. showboating..
They are speaking up:

Big creditors China, Japan press US to resolve debt row (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/thomson-reuters/131008/top-creditors-china-japan-step-concerns-over-us-shutdown)
China to U.S.: 'Clock is ticking' on deal to avoid default (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/07/20856546-china-to-us-clock-is-ticking-on-deal-to-avoid-default?lite)

Of course they will be a bit discreet about it ... they wouldn't want to panic the herd and watch their trillion dollars lose a few hundred billion would they?

[SilentFeathers]

Would not these countries that have put so much of their own wealth into the United states speak up a little more than what they are?
Unless they had inside information that this all is a song and dance.. showboating..
They are speaking up:

Big creditors China, Japan press US to resolve debt row (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/thomson-reuters/131008/top-creditors-china-japan-step-concerns-over-us-shutdown)
China to U.S.: 'Clock is ticking' on deal to avoid default (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/07/20856546-china-to-us-clock-is-ticking-on-deal-to-avoid-default?lite)

Of course they will be a bit discreet about it ... they wouldn't want to panic the herd and watch their trillion dollars lose a few hundred billion would they?

Paul, I personally believe that the scumbags running the show made the announcement by China themselves, or told China to "say SOMETHING".

[SilentFeathers]

here's another scenario Paul, what if the USA does default? telling the rest of the world to F*** off?

They know (all other countries) that any strike against the USA will result in Massive Nuke disasters to deal with in their own lands.....

What are these other countries actually going to do if the USA defaults and says we don't owe any one country a thing?

ADDED: arrogance is the biggest known trait of the US gov't. They might just do this.

[thunder24]

There are some limitations to these foreign ownership data. Specifically, because of the widespread use of financial intermediaries,Firms that borrow from consumer/savers and lend to companies and households that need resources for investment and consumption. the data identifies where the securities are held or the country through which the transaction was made, which may not be the owner's resident country. For example, a resident of Germany may buy a U.S. security and place it in the custody of a Swiss bank, which will often hold the security at a U.S. resident bank. For the survey, the U.S. bank will report that it is holding the security on behalf of a Swiss bank, not knowing that the owner of the security is German. Consequently, the survey reports large holdings of U.S. securities in major financial centers, such as the Cayman Islands, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and Hong Kong.

Another limitation is that the survey does not provide insight into how a particular country's holdings are divided between private investors and official institutions, which have different reasons for investing. Foreign official institutions include central banks and national government-owned investment funds. Central banks hold foreign currency reserves to maintain exchange rates or to facilitate the country's trade. While the survey reported that foreign official institutions held approximately 75 percent of foreign holdings of Treasury securities, it does not identify foreign official holdings by country.

http://www.gao.gov/special.pubs/longterm/debt/ownership.html

Very interesting, and only brought to my attention today by a friend, that its not necessarily the governments of other countries that hold so much debt...

...and are these official institutions similar to our official institutions such as Fed Reserve... being nothing but more corporations, entwining globally the corporate government symbiosis...?

peace

[bennycog]

In the pie graph above, ill point out it says other.. This other is all the American citizens and private/public institutions.. The citizens and public based institutions are still holding the country together.
They still get their say and it is valid and should be heard..

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I keep thinkin'

While many are focused on the drama of shutdown/budget, what else are the control freaks up to? Another power grabbing treaty maybe?

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." Rahm Emanuel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

[gripreaper]

here's another scenario Paul, what if the USA does default? telling the rest of the world to F*** off?

They know (all other countries) that any strike against the USA will result in Massive Nuke disasters to deal with in their own lands.....

What are these other countries actually going to do if the USA defaults and says we don't owe any one country a thing?

ADDED: arrogance is the biggest known trait of the US gov't. They might just do this.

Na silentfeathers, that CAN'T HAPPEN. All the negative entities have been cleared from the astral planes, the benevolent ET's are just waiting for the cabal to surrender and give up their power, which they are summarily on the verge of doing cause they are broke and scared, and then the Ninja's will take um and put um in jail with the help of the galactic freedom fighters and the global settlements will be released, and we will all get about a million bucks and a free ride in a mothership. Remember?

So, quit it with the fear porn and go read "The Synchronicity Key" for your penance and don't come back till you've finished it! :)

[Sidney]

I keep thinkin'

While many are focused on the drama of shutdown/budget, what else are the control freaks up to? Another power grabbing treaty maybe?

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." Rahm Emanuel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

This might give us more to think about and look into. They are up to plenty IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgWMoPh_nJY

[ThePythonicCow]

What are these other countries actually going to do if the USA defaults and says we don't owe any one country a thing?

They could stop trading with us until we can provide something worthwhile in return (remember, we shipped most of our manufacturing overseas.)
They could hold a fire sale of their US Treasuries, stocks, bonds and other dollar denominated paper, which trashes Treasury prices, which spikes interest rates, which blows up a quadrillion in derivatives, which leaves a few big banks (which happen to be owners of the Federal Reserve) about as bankrupt as the Hiroshima Community Savings & Loan on August 7, 1945.
With no one willing to trade with us, and no functioning financial system, the money based economy would grind to a halt within a week or two. The US President would declare Martial Law. Best of luck with that, Mr. Obama - our troops couldn't hold down a country a tenth our size (Iraq), with our troops mostly (at least at the start of their first tour) believing in the mission.

Within a few weeks, the streets of Washington, DC would resemble the streets of Paris, France, circa 1790 (the time of the French Revolution.)

[ulli]

You, Target, coming to this realization was the main reason for the entire shutdown ..
And don't you doubt this for one minute.

well, that seems entirely too "me" centered; however I can see how you meant it in a broader sense perhaps and that “my” situation (or at least this realization) may have been repeated many times by the some 800,000 government workers that keep the "machine" functioning, most of whom are still not back to work..

I just discovered I'm working for free today... apparently nothing has been passed and yet they still recalled us; some local decision based on the fact that we "may" be getting paid back in the future for our time off.

we have a meeting in a few hours on this topic, I'm quite interested in what they will say (and really it's the main reason I've stayed after finding out the government is still "shut down")..

Maybe I should have checked a bit further into this topic before just believing what I was told by my supervisor... (another lesson, I'm sure...)

Worrying about you, but also trying to look at it from the humorous angle.

http://www.newyorker.com/images/2013/10/14/cartoons/131014_cartoon_008_a17773_p465.jpg

[TargeT]

Worrying about you, but also trying to look at it from the humorous angle.

http://www.newyorker.com/images/2013/10/14/cartoons/131014_cartoon_008_a17773_p465.jpg

Thanks for the thought; all seems well so far, it turns out that the 54 national guard entities and regular military org.s returned the majority of their employees to work monday, somewhere in the range of 350,000 employees (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304176904579117532532939264.html)in a move that (to me) seems entirely based on faith that a bill (H.R. 3223 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2013/h525)) will be passed to retroactively pay employees.

The funny thing is this will only cover us until october 17th, where another shut down (based on the debt celing) may occur. I guess I was due a little financial excitement, it's just unfortunate that it happened right after I put my money into a home purchase.

Things will work out, they always do.


http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/wp-content/blogs.dir/85/files/2013/10/government-shutdown-cartoon-darkow-495x389.jpg

[norman]

http://rt.com/files/news/20/ac/e0/00/us_debt_breakdown.jpg

Would not these countries that have put so much of their own wealth into the United states speak up a little more than what they are?
Unless they had inside information that this all is a song and dance.. showboating..

source:
http://rt.com/business/china-us-default-debt-838/


I wonder who "other" is?

Could it be the FED itself?

[bennycog]

Hi Norman as I posted above, it is American consumers, public and private sectors, social security and trust funds.. But purely American citizen owned.. It is like a shareholder in a company I guess..

Found a good little digitizer here..

http://zfacts.com/p/461.html

[ghostrider]

The veterans are not allowed to visit the WW2 memorial and YET they allow illegal immigrants to protest in D.C. ??? No benefits for family members of fallen soldiers , the U.S. government is provoking a fight with the citizens , and THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN IS A CHESS MOVE , into martial law ... govenment shutdown 9 days now , and it doesn't look good ... stalemate , always over who gets the money ...that's what is being sold to you , BUT THE REAL AGENDA IS A REASON FOR THEM TO INSTITUTE MARTIAL LAW ... what ever it takes ... the begining of the endgame ...

[MorningSong]

I just saw this:



National laboratories prepare to shut down

10 Oct 2013 | 00:58 BST | Posted by Jeff Tollefson | Category: Uncategorized

With no end in sight for the US government shutdown that began on 1 October, the Department of Energy (DOE) is now preparing to shut down the sprawling complex of national laboratories that maintains nuclear weapons and performs a range of basic and applied research.



http://blogs.nature.com/news/2013/10/national-laboratories-prepare-to-shut-down.html?utm_content=buffer48252&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

[778 neighbour of some guy]

http://rt.com/files/news/20/ac/e0/00/us_debt_breakdown.jpg

Would not these countries that have put so much of their own wealth into the United states speak up a little more than what they are?
Unless they had inside information that this all is a song and dance.. showboating..

source:
http://rt.com/business/china-us-default-debt-838/


I wonder who "other" is?

Could it be the FED itself?

That's an interesting pie, almost interesting enough to set off a nuke below the coast of Japan, just enough to give that silly little wonky fault line a little "nudge' in the right direction, 1/5 of 16 trillion =3,2 trillion? That's a lot of Toyota,s and computers. Have you ever thought that the exiting Japanese invention of high fructose corn syrup was their revenge for Hiroshima and Nagasaki? That makes 'Yo mama is so fat jokes' a Japanese psyop.

If the Chinese and Japanese want their money back, all their mwoaaaa 6,7 trillion, that was probably backed by real commodities/goods and services, how would they do that, repossess a large chunk of the US, for instance, the best natural resources, how would they secure them? By making people move into cities I guess and proclaiming everything else a national mineable park, there's your agenda 21.

Paula made a post an the Col Potter thread where he said the Chinese own and operate their own harbors on US soil and that is the easiest way to get personnel/ equipment in unchecked, DHS, DoD, purchasing/ ordering all sorts of crap for billions and billions of dollars, days before the shutdown, why was that, who's coming for dinner and how many and where?

Sorry, not entirely on topic, but I was just wondering, and my mind drifted of a bit.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Former Assistant Treasury Secretary, Dr. Paul Craig Roberst explains:

"You can forget about any default in the debt ceiling crisis. Former Assistant Treasury Secretary Dr. Paul Craig Roberts says, “The debt ceiling will be raised. No government wants to lose its power or lose its ability to borrow. So, if they don’t raise the debt ceiling, it is just a way of Washington committing hari-kari. It simply removes the United States as a super power.” Dr. Roberts goes on to say, “If they don’t make a deal, one of two things will happen. . . . The Federal Reserve, on its own authority, lends the Treasury the money. . . . The other alternative, Obama . . . can simply declare a national emergency and raise the debt ceiling on his own initiative. He could govern as a dictator.” What would happen if the U.S. did default? Dr. Roberts says, “The danger of default is the rest of the world dumps dollars. If they dump dollars, the Fed loses control, the whole system blows up. The banks fail. The bond market collapses. The stock market won’t go down 1,500 points; it would be cut in half. ” No matter what happens,there is still an enormous and growing debt. Dr. Roberts contends, “The situation is unsustainable.” It will blow up at some point, and Dr. Roberts predicts, “It will be worse than the Great Depression because in the Great Depression, prices fell along with employment. Now, prices will be rising and employment would be falling. . . . Gold and silver prices will explode in dollar terms.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui4wTYyDNRA

[Kiforall]

aOL1mJjKngw

Forget the Government Shutdown -- It's About Shutting YOU Down!
Americans are being treated to political theater at its finest. It's not a theater of entertainment, however, but a coliseum of enslavement where in the world of deception, perception becomes reality. This theater requires audience participation, where we, the theater-goers, become part of the play. We are a truly captive audience, entranced into mindlessly choosing sides at the frenzied urging of the corporate media and partisan cheerleaders firmly seated behind the microphones and television cameras of the nationally syndicated media.

[Wind]

Will there be a revolution or will this issue be resolved and everything will continue business as usual? Is it wrong to hope for a revolution?

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[Robin]

Will there be a revolution or will this issue be resolved and everything will continue business as usual? Is it wrong to hope for a revolution?

No, Wind, it is not wrong at all to hope for a revolution. In fact, it is going to be necessary if we are to progress as humanity and shed this parasite that has attached itself to the very foundation of our existence.

But this is not and cannot be only an American Revolution. What we are going through will impact the whole world and humanity as a whole will be going through a Revolution this time around.

A revolution does not have to be a violent one, however. A Revolution can be as simple and peaceful as electing new government officials and reforming the political system. But I don't think our Reptilian/Illuminati friends will want it that way.

We are already in the midst of a Revolution whether the world wants it or not.




"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!" ~Patrick Henry

[Vitalux]

On a good note, at least all those people that are off work will get a chance to really enjoy some of this absolutely wonderful and spectacular fall weather.
Has anyone noticed those beautiful colors of the trees as they get ready for their winter sleep?


i have no doubt that what ever needs to happen will happen and everything will turn out good. Life is wonderful.

http://nostalgiainthemaking.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/slide1211_old_trace_drive_mp375.jpg?w=558

[lizfrench]

aOL1mJjKngw

Forget the Government Shutdown -- It's About Shutting YOU Down!
Americans are being treated to political theater at its finest. It's not a theater of entertainment, however, but a coliseum of enslavement where in the world of deception, perception becomes reality. This theater requires audience participation, where we, the theater-goers, become part of the play. We are a truly captive audience, entranced into mindlessly choosing sides at the frenzied urging of the corporate media and partisan cheerleaders firmly seated behind the microphones and television cameras of the nationally syndicated media.

Just filed my taxes for 2012 late because I knew I was getting a refund and guess what? No refunds til the government opens back up.

[CD7]

YES its a circus show of mass proportions....three rings going on in full throttle....


Keep it spinning...spinning fast...till you spin tht tent right up your ass
Spin your best, spin it good, spin it just like I knew you would
Spin the tents into a bind, tripping all the way to your demise

[sms]

So many theories about the current show program and nobody mentioning a possible connection with the END of THE U.S. FEDERAL RESERVE CHARTER (effective from December 24, 1913 to December 24, 2013, and NON-RENEWABLE)?!

Just a coincidence?!

..

[risveglio]

So many theories about the current show program and nobody mentioning a possible connection with the END of THE U.S. FEDERAL RESERVE CHARTER (effective from December 24, 1913 to December 24, 2013, and NON-RENEWABLE)?!

Just a coincidence?!

..

Seems that is not true. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64246-Obama-to-nominate-Janet-Yellen-to-head-Federal-Reserve&p=742474&viewfull=1#post742474

[Anchor]

XKCD open letter

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/open_letter.png
http://xkcd.com/1274/

[SilentFeathers]

...and I thought they couldn't think of anything more ridiculous than what they were already doing!


On Monday, the White House announced that Vice President Joe Biden would get involved in ongoing negotiations concerning the government shutdown and the debt ceiling.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/14/Biden-back

[outerheaven]

Is time for Biden to play hero and be trumpeted as the man Who Saved America?

Between Obama's bungled second inauguration ceremony, being sworn in on Lincoln's bible, the gloomy cover of Obama on TIME (http://henrymakow.com/times-funereal-obama-cover.html), Biden's "CODEWORD" picture, etc etc ... well, it's easy to dislike Obama for everything he represents and the role he plays. But ultimately, he's just a pawn of the illuminati, and if I were him I'd be scared for my life right about now.

Then again, who knows. Maybe those guys know their roles exactly and embrace their roles openly. I'm just getting a very weird vibe about this whole situation. I could be wrong.

[KiwiElf]

IMF Boss: Fate of World At Stake Unless Americans Agree to Take On More Debt

http://www.infowars.com/imf-boss-fate-of-world-at-stake-unless-americans-agree-to-take-on-more-debt/

House Republicans reject Senate kick the can down the road proposal

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
October 14, 2013

P_zSsoGnHck

Christine Lagarde, the boss of the International Monetary Fund, the globalist monetary cartel, is warning that unless future generations are socked into debt the entire world is in danger of financial collapse.

She told NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday that during the staged government shutdown fiasco Americans suddenly discovered the real issue at hand is the debt not the shutdown of the government.

Lagarde told Bloomberg last week that increasing the debt is the primary issue at hand, even more important than a weak GDP, millions of Americans out of work, and the collapse of living standards. If the debt ceiling is not jacked up, she said, it will have “very negative consequences for the U.S. economy and spillover effects which mean negative consequences for the rest of the world… It could precipitate another crisis if it was to last longer.”

European bankster Mario Draghi echoed Lagarde’s warning. He said “it is probably safe to say that this could cause severe damage to the U.S. economy and the world. The world still does not believe that the United States will not find a way out.”

On Sunday, the House Republican leadership signaled it is ready to cave on the debt issue. If a compromise between Republicans and Democrats is not reached by Monday, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and other top GOP lawmakers may pass their own six-week debt extension on Tuesday. The scheme to fund the government was cooked up by Senator Susan Collins, a Republican from Maine. It was immediately rejected by Democrats in the Senate.

Meanwhile, Republicans in the House are continuing their effort to get serious about addressing a crippling government debt. Paul Ryan is leading a group of fellow Republicans in an effort to oppose Collins’ kick the can down the road approach to the debt.

This article was posted: Monday, October 14, 2013 at 10:21 am

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[dpwishy]

In a sick way I am hoping that my country defaults. But I know at the last second they will pull some nonsense and push this off again. This is an insanely long game of Jenga that is really just one block away.....

http://ginsengavenger.home.comcast.net/~ginsengavenger/fot/post_2003-10-13/jenga_01.jpg

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Two reasons the banksters want to increase debt:



Create more debt slaves. The primary target is our offspring.
Create more profit for the international banksters.


But not so much debt the system implodes, because the system is needed for the banksters to maintain control.

[Creative Lorraine]

And… it’s gone! The Fed and US could simply CANCEL all $5 trillion of intergovernmental debt
Interesting read from the Washington blog.com
Karen Hudes had this on her Twitter page

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/10/and-its-gone-the-fed-could-simply-cancel-all-5-trillion-of-intragovernmental-debt.html

[Benimal]

I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet... It doesn't look like this shutdown is ending anytime soon. If you ask me, this looks like it could very well be part of the Cabal's NWO plan.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A&feature=player_detailpage

[risveglio]

Why would the cabal want there number one weapon to be shutdown? In my opinion, I think this shutdown/debt limit fiasco can be a good thing, hopefully it will cure more Americans of the disease of statism. The latest poll has the number of people that think the government can work as is dropped from 44% in Nov 2012 to 27% last week. That's an improvement. Statism, like drug addiction is very hard to cure.

[Benimal]

To us it appears as though the government is shutdown while in reality it could still be operating behind closed doors. The idea would be to make us feel helpless and dependent on the government. Another possibility would be that they will simply let America collapse essentially, and once everything is in ruins, they come in and take over. That's just my humble opinion though.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet... It doesn't look like this shutdown is ending anytime soon. If you ask me, this looks like it could very well be part of the Cabal's NWO plan.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A&feature=player_detailpage

WOW, I am not an US citizen so I wont even pretend to understand, but THAT was a VERY interesting little big event!!

[bennycog]

I'm really surprised this hasn't been posted yet... It doesn't look like this shutdown is ending anytime soon. If you ask me, this looks like it could very well be part of the Cabal's NWO plan.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A&feature=player_detailpage

WOW, I am not an US citizen so I wont even pretend to understand, but THAT was a VERY interesting little big event!!

Yes that was a very impressive stand against the house..
Qouting Chris Van Hollen " Democracy has been suspended"

[onawah]

This is hitting home to my community here in the US.
I just read that Home Energy Assistance has been suspended, and the help that agency has been providing has been the only way in recent years that I have been able to afford to keep my home warm in the winter months.
I don't know if that means they won't be operational in January, which is when assistance with heating bills has traditionally begun, but even if we get them to start the government up again now, the GOP is probably going to try and shut it down again in January, from recent reports.
Unless they change the rule being discussed in the video back to the way it originally was, the elderly, disabled, poor and otherwise disadvantaged in the US are going to be held hostage to Boehner and the GOP.

[Calz]

Let's set aside a debt default for the moment.

The government shutdown itself I don't think too many people (myself included) were real concerned about. Inconvenience to some sure but ...

Just came across something that could get *real ugly* (if true) and not too far away if the shutdown continues.


States have (allegedly) been getting notified to suspend November foodstamps until further notice.

Stop and think about that in lieu of what just happened last weekend.

50 million families are on foodstamps (rightly or wrongly ... another topic).

Not a terribly reliable site but I followed the Utah link to a local Fox news outlet confirming the story.

Take link to see the (alleged) scanned image of the USDA letter to states.

____________________

Update! Shock Report:

Food Stamp End Coming In November?
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:27% of readers think this story is Fact. Add your two cents.

Update: The USDA is directing states to NOT issue November food stamps according to the letter directly below. Remainder of story including a brand new video from Dahboo77 are below.:

States across America have been warned that food stamps may not be coming in November and to now prepare for fallout should no agreement be reached on the US government shutdown. With riots being threatened already on Twitter and elsewhere should food stamps not be accepted any longer, how will millions of Americans who depend upon food stamps survive and is this the apocalyptic ’end game’ we have all been waiting and preparing for? People are already warning that they will ‘steal’ and ‘do whatever they need to do to survive’. Is this our 72 hour notice? Video report below.

States across the country are being told to stop the supplemental nutrition assistance program for the month of November, pending further notice.

That’s according to a letter from the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Fox 13 obtained a copy from the Crossroads Urban Center in downtown Salt Lake City. Crossroads says if Utah families don’t get food stamps, they’ll turn to the local food pantries, which are already strapped due to the government shutdown. Homeless people Fox 13 talked to, some who use SNAP, say losing food stamps would mean going hungry.

“This is going to create a huge hardship for the people we serve here in our food pantry,” says Bill Tibbits who is the Associate Director at Crossroads Urban Center.
They posted a letter from the USDA on its Facebook page. It says in part, “in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing states to hold their November issuance files and delay transmission to state electronic benefit transfer vendors until further notice.”

“What this means if there’s not a deal, if Congress doesn’t reach a deal to get federal government back up and running, in Utah about 100,000 families won’t get food stamp benefit,” says Tibbits.

People out on the streets like Richard Phillips says, “It could impact us and it’s going to cause problems because you’re going to come to find out that people are going to steal and do what they have to do to survive.”

“People out here are going to go without food,” says Loralee Smith whose been homeless since August and says the uncertainty is making her uneasy about where her next meal will come from. “I’m on food stamps, I don’t know if I’m going to get them, a lot of people are on food stamps and they don’t know if they’re going to get them.”


http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-and-politics/2013/10/shock-report-food-stamp-end-coming-in-november-2457464.html

[Calz]

Story above continues ...

__________________


Crisis: USDA Orders States to Withhold Electronic Food Stamps


EBT shutdown risks widespread looting, riots by welfare recipients

The USDA is directing states to withhold Electronic Transfer Benefits for the month of November until further notice, setting up a potential food stamp crisis that could very easily lead to riots and widespread looting if the government shutdown drags on.

http://www.infowars.com/crisis-usda-orders-states-to-withhold-electronic-food-stamps/


Here is the link to the Utah Fox news outlet (I mentioned above) confirming the story:

http://fox13now.com/2013/10/14/utah-families-on-food-stamps-could-be-cut-off-soon/

[CD7]

YET AT NO POINT IN TIME...have the people been educated on how to feed themselves--grow there own.

THIS SET UP ALONE SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE POWER STRUCTURE WE HAVE IN PLACE

[Prodigal Son]

While the top 1% have looted 80% of the nation's wealth, 50 million Americans cannot eat. This is why the banksters resigned and went into hiding. I'm sorry to say, I think this is the beginning salvo of the End Game we've been waiting for. They are uber pissed about not getting their Syrian War and now its time for Americans to pay the price for foiling their WWIII plans to save the Cabal from bankruptcy. They cannot print any more money.

Corruption and unbridled greed is so rampant at every level of government and business, it's time to demolish this system. Let's get on with it. Let's see who are the real humans and who are the wild animals.... time to separate the wheat from the chaff, the sheep from the goats.

[Calz]

Having Alex Jones on board with this (regardless of where it goes) is a very good thing.

He has a wide audience (or big mouth depending on your point of view) so this will be brought to many people's attention *today*.

There will be more than a few phone calls into the people's political representatives.


3 possibilities (and they are all good):


1) Enough public resistance to stop it.

2) Waking up (rudely) of a whole lot more sleepy heads.

3) Even if it happens ... many people (and those who are prepared to defend) will have more time for resolve and preparation.


IMHO

[Snowflower]

Ask yourself one very important question. Why now? Why not last year or next year? What are the advantages to the psychopaths in power to have citizens in personal chaos and violent mode right now?

[SilentFeathers]

Having Alex Jones on board with this (regardless of where it goes) is a very good thing.

He has a wide audience (or big mouth depending on your point of view) so this will be brought to many people's attention *today*.

There will be more than a few phone calls into the people's political representatives.


3 possibilities (and they are all good):


1) Enough public resistance to stop it.

2) Waking up (rudely) of a whole lot more sleepy heads.

3) Even if it happens ... many people (and those who are prepared to defend) will have more time for resolve and preparation.


IMHO

Personally, I think they will, at the absolutely last minute reach some sort of agreement (or Obama will do an executive order) and "kick the can down the road" once again. They are really enjoying the uncertainty, confusion, and FEAR being generated by this ridiculous, yet at the same time, quite real crisis.

If I am wrong and they don't reach an at least temporary solution to this issue, and Obama doesn't "remedy" the situation somewhat....we default etc., well, get ready for some really crazy s**t to hit the fan.

Another opinion....if they shut the food stamp program down for more than a few days or for the month of November as some are claiming, Obama may lose many of his faithful supporters and worshipers. I personally don't think Obama and the media can convince all these pissed off people that it's the Republicans fault they can't buy food....these people will not care who's fault it is and most likely will blame Obama not matter what the media is spewing out.

This whole ordeal could backfire in a very bad way for Obama IMO>

[Calz]

Personally, I think they will, at the absolutely last minute reach some sort of agreement



Agreed ... the Senate is prepared to offer the "OMG last minute we saved the country and world today" ... *yawn*.

Leader of the House already suggested a "message" which apparently means you can bypass that body of congress critters.


Yet it will still open many eyes into "possibilities" and make so many that take things for granted from a bankrupt (financially and morally) government more aware. If you and your family depends on the government to survive ... then you damn well better be paying close attention here!!!


Regardless of how this "event" falls out ... the sides are being drawn.


Talk to any law enforcement people you know personally and listen ...

[Snowflower]

calz, what you said makes my question even more important. If they don't create their last second victory, ask yourself - why now?

[Calz]

calz, what you said makes my question even more important. If they don't create their last second victory, ask yourself - why now?

Not a simple explanation (most of which I am not privy to ... simply offering my own opinion).

Much is known about the NWO plans ... for some reason they either "need" to put it out for public consumption at least in a subtle manner ... or else they simply feel that "game over ... we win".

There seems well above the normal level of fear porn regarding asteroid/meteor hits in the very near future.

"They" have their bunkers and when/if the SHTF their biggest concern with we the useless eaters is messing with them getting to or tampering with their hiding places.


That's one *possibility* ...


Another would be "incoming" of a nature the outcome would be in doubt.


Just a couple of personal "guesses" as to why now.


There are a number of financial reasons all over the forum to consider as well.


Shooting from the hip ... my best guess of dah day ... perhaps tomorrow it would be different ... http://www.pic4ever.com/images/cowboypistol.gif


http://www.pic4ever.com/images/2gwb921.gif

[Snowflower]

Yep. Got it, Calz. Hole in one. Both reasons work.

[Conchis]

So, the news is reporting that the House will take up the Bill that the Senate passed that would re-open the government and fund us for a few more months, so we can do this again in a few months. No one apparently knows how many votes in the House there are in favor of the bill, but they probably wouldn't put it to a vote if they didn't think it would go through. At least I can't imagine the logic that putting it to a failing vote. So....we shall see how this shakes out.

[Calz]

So, the news is reporting that the House will take up the Bill that the Senate passed that would re-open the government and fund us for a few more months, so we can do this again in a few months. No one apparently knows how many votes in the House there are in favor of the bill, but they probably wouldn't put it to a vote if they didn't think it would go through. At least I can't imagine the logic that putting it to a failing vote. So....we shall see how this shakes out.


Well ... no real surprise here ... but if I understood what happened yesterday there is a provision in which the House could essentially surrender their opinion and defer to the Senate. The House couldn't even get enough agreement to have a vote.

________________


Senator: Announcement of Senate deal may be imminent

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Conchis]

It would have to make it through both Houses of Congress Calz, but if you read down to the section entitled "Slow Process" there's that whole discussion about the Hastert rule which theoretically would keep the bill from going to a vote because it doesn't have the support of the majority of the majority. It's going to be an interesting day.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

If the powers that be (banksters and those who control the bankers) allow the financial system crash now, the PTB would lose much of their control and lose profit from interest on even more debt.

If the schedule to crash the system is later (but inevitable) then the PTB will not allow a default now.

The solution to being held hostage by the PTB includes:


identification of those who are collecting all this interest on borrowed money
elimination of the Rothschild/Rockefeller controlled Federal Reserve and other central banks.

A positive side to the worry about financial default is that more people will prepare for it.

Just giving attention to fear porn without actual preparation to mitigate risk is useless for us and supports the control freaks. Almost everyone can do some preparation on a budget (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=2868).

[Operator]

Ask yourself one very important question. Why now? Why not last year or next year? What are the advantages to the psychopaths in power to have citizens in personal chaos and violent mode right now?

Well, how about an ending Federal Reserve act in December? I have read it is renewed and at the same time also it isn't. Anybody more knowledgeable on this?
But it could be a potential interesting moment in time ...

[Calz]

Well ... caveat being ... what if this is ***more*** than financial???

[Snowflower]

If they pass it - and O signs it - then they need more delay time for their own preps. If they don't pass it, they are ready for the collapse. Pretty good gauge from our perspective of our own preps.

[Operator]

Well ... caveat being ... what if this is ***more*** than financial???

Whatever it is ... follow the money?

[Calz]

If they pass it - and O signs it - then they need more delay time for their own preps. If they don't pass it, they are ready for the collapse. Pretty good gauge from our perspective of our own preps.

Well ... stop and think about it.

Without getting up to speed (personally) it appears to be a "kick the can down the road" sort of a couple month delay without actually addressing anything (even if it does pass).

Ask yourselves ... what could be the objective for doing so???

Hmmm?

[Calz]

Well ... caveat being ... what if this is ***more*** than financial???

Whatever it is ... follow the money?


That's the wisdom ... and has worked back through Roman times.

What if ... this is the "end of the cycle" and the rules change???

Not saying (for sure) but what if???

With "circumstantial" evidence (and yet no "proof") of meteor bombardment, mini ice age, energy wave from the central sun, binary star return, japan nuke worst case scenario meltdown, life of all types dropping dead in mass all over the world, who know's what to attempt genocide from the elite, who know's what to expect from the "breakaway civilization" ...

... am I wrong in questioning whether or not things are "different" this time???

[SilentFeathers]

... am I wrong in questioning whether or not things are "different" this time???

Same thing, different face.....

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzRJula9QfS5zSN5QVM1DtfOdCc8L0eYN6XtynqmhXXcKzwSJ5

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Well ... caveat being ... what if this is ***more*** than financial???

Whatever it is ... follow the money?


That's the wisdom ... and has worked back through Roman times.

What if ... this is the "end of the cycle" and the rules change???

Not saying (for sure) but what if???

With "circumstantial" evidence (and yet no "proof") of meteor bombardment, mini ice age, energy wave from the central sun, binary star return, japan nuke worst case scenario meltdown, life of all types dropping dead in mass all over the world, who know's what to attempt genocide from the elite, who know's what to expect from the "breakaway civilization" ...

... am I wrong in questioning whether or not things are "different" this time???

Not wrong to question anything.

But there is no benefit to worry about things one cannot change or mitigate risk. Then don't worry, be happy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

[jagman]

Last nights episode of C2C gave some really great insights on upcoming & inevitable
economic crash. first hour, radio host and author Peter Schiff commented on the
current gyrations of the government.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwh7uMzo8_8&feature=player_embedded

[Calz]

Not wrong to question anything.

But there is no benefit to worry about things one cannot change or mitigate risk. Then don't worry, be happy.




Feels odd in that is the message I do my best to put out there.

I guess I have a sense that things are coming to a head now.

Benefit???

If one has not made basic preparation to take care of you and/or your family for several weeks ... then your time is slipping away.

We cannot prepare for everything (don't think the PTB/W can do so either).

Most all of us have been through this many hundreds or thousands of times before.

What's it all about???


I guess that is why we are still here???

[Ron Mauer Sr]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzRJula9QfS5zSN5QVM1DtfOdCc8L0eYN6XtynqmhXXcKzwSJ5

Just cannot feel the love :cry:when I connect with this picture.

[SilentFeathers]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzRJula9QfS5zSN5QVM1DtfOdCc8L0eYN6XtynqmhXXcKzwSJ5

Just cannot feel the love :cry:when I connect with this picture.

She, (or could be a he) is one of the most powerful "visible" players on the world's stage right now....a Pinocchio puppet with invisible strings (the cigarette stunts the nose from growing) :)

[ThePythonicCow]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzRJula9QfS5zSN5QVM1DtfOdCc8L0eYN6XtynqmhXXcKzwSJ5

Just cannot feel the love :cry:when I connect with this picture.

She, (or could be a he) is one of the most powerful "visible" players on the world's stage right now....a Pinocchio puppet with invisible strings (the cigarette stunts the nose from growing) :)
That's a pen, not a cigarette:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Kathleen_Sebelius_in_HHS_meeting_4-28-09.jpg

http://thepythoniccow.us/Kathleen_Sebelius_in_HHS_meeting_4-28-09a.jpg
The full sized version (high resolution and not cropped) of that image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Kathleen_Sebelius_in_HHS_meeting_4-28-09.jpg) can be found by clicking on the preview image on her Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius

[SilentFeathers]

That's a pen, not a cigarette:


Well, somethings got to be preventing her/his nose from growing....

[Operator]

..................

What if ... this is the "end of the cycle" and the rules change???

Not saying (for sure) but what if???

With "circumstantial" evidence (and yet no "proof") of meteor bombardment, mini ice age, energy wave from the central sun, binary star return, japan nuke worst case scenario meltdown, life of all types dropping dead in mass all over the world, who know's what to attempt genocide from the elite, who know's what to expect from the "breakaway civilization" ...

... am I wrong in questioning whether or not things are "different" this time???

I always phrase it as "Why are governments worldwide spending money like there is no tomorrow ?".
Phrased like that it gets more attention than usual from the average person I talk with. :heh:

[risveglio]

Well now it is over and nothing good came out of it. The reality is that nothing will change until the whole thing collapses. In NJ that is just a matter of time as the voters here are about to get about 50% of the lowest wage earners fired. YEAH, PROGRESS.

[ThePythonicCow]

Politoco describes the US government budget/debt deal that appears likely to be accepted today. Senate moving toward vote on budget deal (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-debt-ceiling-default-update-98390.html?hp=t1):



Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announced on the Senate floor that they have an agreement to reopen the government and lift the debt ceiling.

The Senate is expected to vote on the deal late Wednesday afternoon or early evening, a Democratic leadership aide said. The bill would then go to the House.

The two Senate leaders have worked overtime the past three days to hammer out a bipartisan agreement after a House bill collapsed on Tuesday. After McConnell briefed his caucus on the deal on Wednesday morning, the two leaders made it official: They have an agreement to fund the government until Jan. 15 and raise the debt ceiling through Feb. 7, which will end a 16-day government shutdown and avert an economic crisis that would be caused by the U.S. running out of cash to pay its bills.

...
The bill will barely scathe Obamacare and putting it on the floor will mark a huge concession by the House after sparking a prolonged government shutdown over insistence that the health care law be defunded or delayed as a condition to keep the government open. Dozens of conservatives in the House will be disappointed by the proposal.

...
The deal would also deliver back pay to furloughed federal workers, require income verification for people seeking health-insurance subsidies under the Affordable Care Act and also allow the Treasury Department to use extraordinary measures to pay the nation’s bills if Congress doesn’t raise the debt ceiling by Feb. 7.

[Calz]

Never forget ... best advice I know of ...

Rag_9J1ZC2g

[Conchis]

Great advice Calz, particularly if you combine that with your other post about taking the precaution to lay in a few preps....just to help keep the trolls at bay for a few days. We don't have to make it easy for them.

[SilentFeathers]

Seems to me that they are conditioning the masses to basically think that the government is basically about worthless and quite dysfunctional, especially those darn republicans...a government in a continuous crisis. (basically the truth). The whole planet is basically being conditioned to welcome this great new system that'll replace the old broken one.....the new system many today are calling the new world order.

[Calz]

The "plan" is for as much misery on as many levels as possible such that the masses cry out for a NWO.

... oh please save us dark masters ...

[risveglio]

The "plan" is for as much misery on as many levels as possible such that the masses cry out for a NWO.

... oh please save us dark masters ...

But if that is "the plan", is it working? All the shutdown seemed to do around here is increase the calls for a third party and/or less government. It is only the leeches sucking on the system that were crying over the shutdown. Maybe its just to get more people on the system? The democratic party has convinced most that they are for the poor and then they promote economic policies that make people poorer which gives them more voters, its quite ingenious, but it doesn't seemed like they gained any fans over this fiasco.

Find alternative places to put your money, become less dependent on government and get to know your neighbors because I don't see this leading to a one world government, at least not on this continent.

[onawah]

Senate Leaders Strike Deal to Raise Debt and End Government Shutdown

Senate majority leader Harry Reid announces compromise. Republicans concede defeat.

http://www.alternet.org/senate-leaders-strike-deal-raise-debt-and-end-government-shutdown?akid=11047.127057.EJ6Yok&rd=1&src=newsletter910968&t=4

October 16, 2013 |

Republican leaders conceded defeat in their two-week battle to derail Barack Obama's healthcare reforms on Wednesday, agreeing to a series of votes that were likely to re-open the government and avert a looming debt default.

With just hours until a deadline set by the US Treasury for extending the debt limit, House speaker John Boehner signalled he was ready to accept a Senate-drafted peace deal that contained almost no concessions to conservatives who had driven the country the brink of a new financial crisis.

Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, announced the deal on the the floor of the Senate just after midday. He called for all sides to work together to implement the deal. "Now is not the time for pointing fingers," he said.

Mitch McConnell, the Republican minority leader, acknowledged the fight was over and said the shutdown and debt crisis should be over later on Wednesday.

"This has been a long, challenging few weeks," McConnell said. "This is far less than many of us had hoped for, but it is far better than some had sought."

The deal crafted by Reid and McConnell will fund the government until 15 January and lift the debt ceiling until 7 February. It will force both sides into a formal budget conference to try to reach a longer-term deal by 13 December.

The only apparent change to the Affordable Care Act, which Republicans had targeted in their budget standoff, involves asking the Obama administration to carry out better checks on the incomes of those applying to take part in new insurance exchanges.

A senior Republican aide told the Guardian that Boehner had agreed to allow the House to vote on the deal, which in practice means it would pass with support from Democrats and moderate Republicans, although it was still unclear when this would happen.

Recriminations among Republicans flew thick and fast, with moderates accusing House conservatives of trashing the party's reputation in pursuit of an impossible ambition to repeal Obamacare entirely.

Senator Lindsey Graham, of South Carolina, said this had "been the best two weeks for the Democratic party in recent times".

"When we evaluate the last couple of weeks, it should be entitled the time of great lost opportunity. If we had been focused on the rollout of Obamacare and its confusion, public support would have diminished. Instead, our numbers have gone down, Obamacare has mysteriously gone up, and other than that, this has been great."

He was scathing about the influence of conservative advocacy groups such as Heritage Action, which torpedoed a deal on Tuesday when it threatened to withdraw support from Republicans who backed it, but blamed lawmakers for listening to them.

"Every member of Congress gets hit by groups like this right and left. I am not mad at a group for wanting their way; I am focusing on trying to get the Republican party to chart a better way. The way we are behaving and the path we have taken the last couple of weeks leads to a marginalised party in the eyes of the American people. A form of conservatism that is probably beyond what the market would bear. "

If, as expected, the House votes on the new deal first, it would prevent Cruz from delaying its passage through the Senate and could herald an end to the crisis by Wednesday night.

[risveglio]

Senate Leaders Strike Deal to Raise Debt and End Government Shutdown

Senate majority leader Harry Reid announces compromise. Republicans concede defeat.

http://www.alternet.org/senate-leaders-strike-deal-raise-debt-and-end-government-shutdown?akid=11047.127057.EJ6Yok&rd=1&src=newsletter910968&t=4

October 16, 2013 |

Republican leaders conceded defeat in their two-week battle to derail Barack Obama's healthcare reforms on Wednesday, agreeing to a series of votes that were likely to re-open the government and avert a looming debt default.

With just hours until a deadline set by the US Treasury for extending the debt limit, House speaker John Boehner signalled he was ready to accept a Senate-drafted peace deal that contained almost no concessions to conservatives who had driven the country the brink of a new financial crisis.

Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, announced the deal on the the floor of the Senate just after midday. He called for all sides to work together to implement the deal. "Now is not the time for pointing fingers," he said.

Mitch McConnell, the Republican minority leader, acknowledged the fight was over and said the shutdown and debt crisis should be over later on Wednesday.

"This has been a long, challenging few weeks," McConnell said. "This is far less than many of us had hoped for, but it is far better than some had sought."

The deal crafted by Reid and McConnell will fund the government until 15 January and lift the debt ceiling until 7 February. It will force both sides into a formal budget conference to try to reach a longer-term deal by 13 December.

The only apparent change to the Affordable Care Act, which Republicans had targeted in their budget standoff, involves asking the Obama administration to carry out better checks on the incomes of those applying to take part in new insurance exchanges.

A senior Republican aide told the Guardian that Boehner had agreed to allow the House to vote on the deal, which in practice means it would pass with support from Democrats and moderate Republicans, although it was still unclear when this would happen.

Recriminations among Republicans flew thick and fast, with moderates accusing House conservatives of trashing the party's reputation in pursuit of an impossible ambition to repeal Obamacare entirely.

Senator Lindsey Graham, of South Carolina, said this had "been the best two weeks for the Democratic party in recent times".

"When we evaluate the last couple of weeks, it should be entitled the time of great lost opportunity. If we had been focused on the rollout of Obamacare and its confusion, public support would have diminished. Instead, our numbers have gone down, Obamacare has mysteriously gone up, and other than that, this has been great."

He was scathing about the influence of conservative advocacy groups such as Heritage Action, which torpedoed a deal on Tuesday when it threatened to withdraw support from Republicans who backed it, but blamed lawmakers for listening to them.

"Every member of Congress gets hit by groups like this right and left. I am not mad at a group for wanting their way; I am focusing on trying to get the Republican party to chart a better way. The way we are behaving and the path we have taken the last couple of weeks leads to a marginalised party in the eyes of the American people. A form of conservatism that is probably beyond what the market would bear. "

If, as expected, the House votes on the new deal first, it would prevent Cruz from delaying its passage through the Senate and could herald an end to the crisis by Wednesday night.

Thanks. Now this is very good news because nobody is falling for this and guys like McCain, King, and definitely Graham are going to look bad. These are the neo-cons, and like most of the republicrats, they do not care for the poor or for the American people as long as there is no real debt limit and no real cuts are made. This keeps the war machine rolling and makes the "small government" people look like terrorists which is all they really want. Yeah, those classical liberals want to take over the world so they can leave you alone. How brain washed, ignorant, or gullible do you have to be to fall for any of this bull****?

Now this has to violate separation of church and state.
http://benswann.com/government-program-to-control-religious-thought/

[MorningSong]

Here is an article that has posted the draft of the deal...35 pages long so go see if you want:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/16/read-heres-the-bill-that-will-end-the-government-shutdown/

[SilentFeathers]

Just wait, before this cools down a bit, there will be another crisis for the masses to worry about...

PS: besides, this one isn't even close to being over, it's just being delayed......and the Obama-man hasn't sign the dotted line yet either.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[SilentFeathers]

90 Days Before Gov't Runs Out of Money -- Again...
113 days before debt default...

[Redstar Kachina]

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[ThePythonicCow]

'V' Guerrilla Economist really crashed and burned this round...

http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=628


What you quote from V's alert to Steve Quayle makes sense to me, but your comment on it, that 'V' "really crashed and burned this round" doesn't make sense to me. Can you say a few more words as to what you meant?

[ThePythonicCow]

It's over ... for now. The US government is back in business, and the debt ceiling is raised. The new debt ceiling deadline is Feb 7, 2014.

From the The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/17/us/congress-budget-debate.html?_r=0&hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1382004023-5ibt0gmgSFEWytxdGrZzrA):




With the Treasury Department warning that it could run out of money to pay national obligations within a day, the Senate voted overwhelmingly on Wednesday evening, 81 to 18, to approve a proposal hammered out by the chamber’s Republican and Democratic leaders after the House on Tuesday was unable to move forward with any resolution. The House followed suit a few hours later, voting 285 to 144 to approve the Senate plan, which would fund the government through Jan. 15 and raise the debt limit through Feb. 7.

Mr. Obama signed the bill about 12:30 a.m. Thursday.

[bennycog]

Ok now what is the questions the American public should ask.. Or should we all ask?

Why would you let us go through this?

Who owns the product of what I know as my life?

Was it funny to see the public go through heartaches especially when they voted for you?

Do you have a solution to help the public become immune to this happening again or do you have an agenda that makes you become more powerful because of our devotion to our fore fathers?

what the f@#$k are you doing ?

[SilentFeathers]

It's over ... for now. The US government is back in business, and the debt ceiling is raised.

Thank God! Now that the threat is over and I don't have to be scared no more, I reckon I'll get back to drinking the flouride, eating the GMO's, and kick back on the couch and relax and get caught up on my favorite TV shows!