100% Pure Gum Turpentine & Kerosene - Kill deadly Candida, leave healthy bacteria alone!

[sigma6]

I just have to share this... because it has got to piss off the PTB.
Who would have known... I have been looking at cures for Candida, ever since I hit one of those ads on conspiracy sites for freeze dried food, and all that, there was one for Candida cure, but they wanted over $150 bucks. I knew of course it was some savvy internet marketer cashing in... So I did a little research...

Eventually it lead me to an article by Dr Jennifer Daniels. Who was talking about a cure that was used by the poor folks in her Grandmother's time, I found more articles... I had just uncovered another goldmine. Another suppressed conspiracy (will post all these articles. Who would have thought that taking 100% pure gum spirits cures parasites, fungus, cancers!) But then again the big secret is that all these things are related. Then there is arthritis, rheumatism, allergies, autism... guess what more relation... it's all about parasites due to lack of healthy bacteria.

Think about it everything is pasteurized, sterilized, the only fermented food with healthy bacteria you can count on the fingers or one hand and none are really available in mainstream groceries, ie. tempeh, fermented vegetables, natto, curdled milk, kefir, etc. (and I mean the real stuff...)

Then I read the Rockefellers used to sell kerosene as a cancer cure, until of course they moved over to the far more lucrative chemo-therapy, and everyone knows the poop on that.... And I heard Eastern European references to kerosene, but just assumed that they must have been talking about something else.. apparently not...

Now of course your first reaction is danger, you'll kill your liver, well apparently that is not the case either, and this is in fact "hidden" in the MSDS documents, which put a huge focus on getting it in your lungs, but as one author says, getting water in your lungs could kill you... (good point) And like urine therapy, it is hidden in plain site. ie. I had come across a video series called "my strange addiction" it's mostly women (or so it seems) who have bizarre fetishes to eat things like chalk, dirt (actually I knew that was good for you...(dirt, that is... '; D) ) sponges, deodorant, drywall, plastic, nail polish, etc (crazy I know...) and this one girl was addicted to compulsively drinking gasoline! like little cups of it, sipping it! But you know, don't knock her, she has just revealed something to us... taking small tinctures is definitely not as dangerous as we thought... and the LD50s of rats (for pure gum spirits) I calculated would be the equivalent of a half kilo for a 100K person. Again 1/10 that much aspirin would be even worse...

None the less, I was horrified for her... And she had been doing it for a long time... yet I have to admit, she didn't look that unhealthy, like you would expect (like you see some crack addicts and so on... so I thought I would add that too, as a reference.

The most compelling point for me, that hit home was the rise of all these diseases we get today can be tied to molds, mildews, fungus, candidiasis, why? Because we live in the age of ANTIBIOTICS.... and that was a big mistake, mercury may be a factor in autism, but it may in fact be because the body creates more parasitical bacteria that is attracted to the mercury in the first place. It is just interesting because this exposes a huge web of inter-relationships that all revolve essentially around parasites. Not necessarily the scary worm ones, but the "bad bacteria" ones, most notably candida yeast, which eventually escapes in the blood stream, and becomes a fungus, a living, breathing growing fungus, that slowly causes all kinds of problems, fatigue, fogginess, thrush, skin conditions, it's endless.... Antibiotics rarely completely cure these but only temporarily suppress these colonies of hardy fungal organisms, they are in fact tougher to get rid then bacteria infections...

In fact I would definitely say based on my reading of the Old Testament it was super obvious that they were very serious about molds and mildews, and explains why they developed such ritualistic behaviours around these cleanliness behaviours, literally becoming religious edicts.. the original 'unclean' if you handled something that had mold, the instructions were to isolate that person, burn the item, burn your clothes! etc. They KNEW... (but they didn't seem to know about pine oils and resins?... hmm... and my understanding is that there are pine trees in Lebanon???? (ok, that's another story... )


I have included a page of information about it, a pdf doc from Dr Daniels, a Youtube of "Gasoline Girl"... as an example of how extreme some can take it (and still live!) I think this is going to open a lot of eyes (and minds) it will benefit a lot of people. To me 100% pure gum spirits of turpentine (from Pine) sounds the safest, I know the early French explorers used to boil pine needles to prevent scurvy...

Another thing as I read about Dr Daniels protocol putting drips on small sugar cubes, it reminded me of the baking soda and molasses cure, and how it was very similar. And of course it is common knowledge now thanks to that Italian Dr (see Mercola interview) that baking soda kills cancer causing fungus. It always gets back to the same thing. We aren't that smart.... if we can figure this stuff out... meaning so can they... i.e. this is known by others who have greater means and resources... who once again, have decided to suppress the truth in exchange for making money selling us a bill of goods, crap that never cures... but instead creates endless sales and commissions. Literally creating more of 'problem' instead of what it was supposed to cure... (the cat is out of the bag folks! so get with the program, this is how these evil bastards have set it up... '; (

Even John Armstrong's Book "Water of Life" made reference that it was commonly UNDERSTOOD at the time of the writing of his book... (i.e. 1940s) that cancer was caused by fungus!. Yet it was forgotten? or lost? Or was it simply suppressed?!! This definitely qualifies as another suppression in my books. This is another viable conspiracy. (oh how we love you Mr Rockefeller Foundation! mmmmmwwhhaaaa!)



Back to a serious note, all this means that a legitimate, cost effective universal health solution has been available to the masses since the beginning (just hidden in plain sight... of course... ; )

Moral of the story: STOP TAKING ANTIBIOTICS!, you're CREATING super viruses and bacterias!!
and growing dangerous cancer causing, arthritic fungal growths in your body...

I have always wondered why Drs push Antibiotics so aggressively, and when queried... the Drs always have this baseless, shameless excuse that "there is nothing they can do about it, because their patients are pressuring them... YEAH RIGHT!! (give me a f***ing break... '; o ... )

History of Kerosene and Turpentine (fascinating hidden suppressed history)
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/kero.htm

Dr Daniels pdf document
can't seem to post page - just google "candida cleaner pdf manual" it wants to download automatically great read and it lead me to Dr Daniels website...

Addicted To Drinking Gasoline
Granted this is taking it to an extreme edge but it also gives some indication of just how much of this substance the body can handle... and yet oddly, they never actually show any tests to say anything in her body has been damaged? i.e. liver tests, etc... when they had a perfect opportunity to do so... (they did the same thing with the urine addicted lady... it was all suggestion and innuendo... but no scientific results... I just find this very odd. It appears that the body can take 'spirits' in small doses, with some favourable benefits. Yet by comparison, could one take proportionately this much of an overdose of aspirins or some other pharmaceutical chemical and get away this?... (highly unlikely) just saying, something is not adding up... I think we are not being told the whole story again....
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[cloud9]

Please excuse my ignorance, what exactly is gum spirits?

[sigma6]

Please excuse my ignorance, what exactly is gum spirits?

eeek! read the articles man! (for your own benefit...) they are resins of pine trees in this case... an extract distilled from tree sap if I'm not mistaken...

I guess the term if you want to strictly stick to the "organic" although any naptha based "spirit" may do, apparently kerosene has been used to cure cancers, thousands of them (all suppressed again) But getting back to those who want to go organic...

there is such a thing as 100% pure gum spirits of turpentine

What original turpentine was made of...

And turns out there are a few vendors that just happen to be selling tiny 4 and 8 oz bottles or organic, pure, traditionally distilled 100% pure gum spirits of turpentine... well how about that...

Point is although that is what I am going to try simply out of precaution given the choice (already ordered me some) it appears any distillate will do... apparently kerosene was quite popular in Eastern Europe and Russia.

[Czarek]

I'd like to report and confirm that with removal of mercury, my cold sores no longer appeared. It looks like you and I are on the same path, i.e. how to get rid of candida. I think when you refer to expensive therapy, you are referring to "lufenuron" version that’s sold from China. There is a purer form of it available here:
http://lufenuroncandidacure.owndoc.com/lufenuron.pdf
I have not tried it yet...

[sigma6]

yeah that is what I saw first, that is essentially what the "cell wall suppressors" are... I say forget that, too expensive... that's why I started looking... at that price I knew there would be an alternative... and for $5 I can get a 4 oz bottle of 100% pure gum spirits of turpentine... even if it was $10 it's just a steal of a discovery!... I get the mercury/bacteria/yeast connection... I first came across that on Mercola, and it made sense. I still have some mercury, so these maintenance issues are going to be with me for a lonnnng time... ;(

and I just got a private message from someone who has been doing for a few weeks and it is just like they say, he definitely has seen the results talked about... I asked him to post his experience... I hope to see some feedback next month or so... can hardly wait, urine therapy is a long term, holistic, lifestyle change approach...

But Candida is actually an acute condition. UT can deal with it, but turpentine and sugar is an acute treatment. 2ml dripped on sugar cubes or a teaspoon of sugar. twice a week... this is so brilliant... read the articles people!... it's like a page or two and Dr Daniels article is not more then a dozen pages, maybe less... this is so no brainer... your going to kick yourself, there is no reason to have all these 'minor discomforts' or take useless anti-biotics... they only cause rebound, it's a joke at our expense.

It's all about giving your body a fresh start, a second chance.... this is a fountain of youth... parasites age you!

This is so the real deal... hahah... another 'suppressed' remedy... available for everyone... when the full implications hit you, the number of 'ailments' that you don't even know you have, the weight problem, cravings, energy loss, compulsive leg shaking, skin rashes, bad breath, these are all related, all symptoms of candida... I am so stoked on this, this is huge...


Here are two super cost effective, organically orientated sites that sell it...
I think the key is look for 100% gum spirits of Pine or Turpentine on the label, but at the quantities being suggested almost anything will do, given the outcome. And to think the Rockefellers had been here, profited off it, then covered it up... God bless their foul black hearts

http://www.greeneyetrading.com/100-pure-Turpentine-gum-3-4-fl-oz-by-ATE-Nutrit-p/653519092204.htm

http://www.diamondgforestproducts.com/~shop/4-oz-100-pure-gum-spirits-of-turpentine/186769/?catId=34919

[norman]

I found this on the web:



Gum turpentine is produced in larger amounts than the other terpene solvents and is manufactured by steam distilling the exudation of the living tree. The gum is obtained by scraping the face of the pine tree and collecting the viscous solution of gum that exudes through a gutter and into a cup. The gum usually contains 68% rosin, 20% turpentine and 12% water (Romaine 1932). The gum is collected and steam-distilled. Distillation of the gum results in "gum turpentine" or "gum spirits of turpentine" as the distillate, leaving a residue of gum rosin.

Wood turpentine, dipentene and pine oil are obtained by steam distillation or extraction of pine stumps.

Sulfate turpentine is obtained as a by-product in the manufacture of sulfate or kraft paper.

Destructively-distilled turpentine and dipentene are recovered from the distillate obtained in the destructive distillation of pine stumps.

History
The production of terpene solvents has been done for centuries. According to Herodotus, the ancient Egyptians used turpentine (Herodotus). It was first known as cedar oil, the name turpentine being derived from the Persian name Termentin or Turmentin.

It is not known when turpentine was introduced in the West, but it was known by the 13th century. It was first used in medicine and mention is made of it by several writes in the 15th century. (Gildemesiter 1916)

[ThePythonicCow]

Dr Daniels pdf document
can't seem to post page - just google "candida cleaner pdf manual" it wants to download automatically great read and it lead me to Dr Daniels website...

This Dr. Jennifer Daniels is awesome - excellent find Sigma - thanks!

Here's a link the the above pdf: The Candida Cleaner - Dr. Jennifer Daniels (thepythoniccow.us/The_Candida_Cleaner-Jennifer_Daniels.pdf)

And here's an amusing (depressing) cartoon from her website:


http://vitalitycapsules.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Better-Than-Drones.png

What's worse, consider that US medicine has an incentive to under-report kill rates, whereas the US military has the opposite incentive.

[Shannow]

There's a diffrerence in chemical make-ups between natural terpenes and mineral spirits...I know my Grandmother had kerosene and sugar for all sorts of ailments and parasites. In my home we use tea tree oil, eucalyptus, and lavendar for various things.

I've got gum turpentine (commonly available in artists stores, as tree turpentine, and there's a turpentine tree), and can confirm that it's unlikely to kill you, as I've ingested it many times, not in volume, dip a finger in to wet it well, and suck it off - two or three times.

Post apocolypse, you can make it yourself with a cast iron camp oven, with the lid drilled to take a pipe. Fill pot with still sappy pine twigs, and seal lid with muffler putty. Place upside down so that liquid will drain out the bottom. Light a fire over the top, and the heat will drive the terpenes out of the twigs and into your (cooled) collector...later will come out heavier products, up to pine tar.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I've got gum turpentine (commonly available in artists stores, as tree turpentine, and there's a turpentine tree), and can confirm that it's unlikely to kill you, as I've ingested it many times, not in volume, dip a finger in to wet it well, and suck it off - two or three times.


Heeeeeey, hoooooooooooo, ok, thanks Shannow, now that's easy enough to come by, I am going to start sucking that finger this afternoon if at all possible, out to do some shopping.

Muchas gracias for that.

[ThePythonicCow]

Dr. Jennifer Daniels also has a book out, published this July 2013: The Lethal Dose (Murder By Medicine is No Accident) (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DR6JPNW), on Amazon Kindle for $2.99:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Jennifer_Daniels_book.jpg

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Very good video on medicinal uses of turpentine, if you stop the video you can take a still shot of the things it remedies internally and externally, I just took a picture of it.

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[childs hood end]

When we were around 13/14 myself and the boys used to sniff petrol till it turned white... The effect was like short spells of trippin (LSD/magic mushies)......sniff it till you went deep inside your mind... 10-15 min later you snap out of it and repeat... We put around 50 pence worth in a plastic 2ltr bottle that would last the night..... After the petrol turned white it would not even burn.

This turpentine looks good... I'm going buy some today and start using... Hopefully it will clear up some of the years of abuse of drugs drink and other poisons iv pumped into my temple.

Good find sigma6.
Thanks.

[Eram]

Very interesting Sigma6, thanks for posting.

There is one question though that I'd like to get an answer for before I start using this stuff and that is:
Is it like with MMS that it kills the good bacteria together with the bad ones, or does it only kill the bad bacteria and parasites?

The video that 778 posted is highly instructive and his website http://augmentinforce.50webs.com/index.htm#HOME is a library on health research and pointers.
Unbelievable what he collected there. :thumb:




edit to add:
I obviously forgot to read the title of the thread, otherwise I wouldn't have asked that question. LOL

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Very interesting Sigma6, thanks for posting.

There is one question though that I'd like to get an answer for before I start using this stuff and that is:
Is it like with MMS that it kills the good bacteria together with the bad ones, or does it only kill the bad bacteria and parasites?

The video that 778 posted is highly instructive and his website http://augmentinforce.50webs.com/index.htm#HOME is a library on health research and pointers.
Unbelievable what he collected there. :thumb:

Eram, and other Dutch folks who might be reading this.

Aquamarijn ( zuivere gomterpentijn Portugees), Portugese Gum Turpentine, 100% pure 15.45 euros, I just ran out the door and bought a can, 1/2 liter, so not cheap, but if it does cure its cheap as dirt.

[Eligos]

August 11, 2013 after careful study, I decided to start taking Turpentine for my chronic infection of Candida.
In the past I had tried Garlic, Caprylic Acid, Coconut oil, MMS, iodine, Ionic Silver (made myself) etc...the list goes on. I tried them in combo and by themselves. I gave them a fair shake to be really sure. The Candida symptoms would eventually always come back once I would stray from the Candida Diet (essentially the Atkins Diet). As most of us, at a young age I was brought in to the dentist (we had insurance) he filled me up with 8 silver fillings that we know has 50% mercury. Chronic fatigue kicked in around age 35. When you feel tired all the time, people want to help you so they say, "you should join the gym, get some exercise " that will give you more energy. Little do they know that it will just make things worse. When you don't follow their advice, they label you as a lazy person with no discipline and determination.
When you have 8 metal fillings in your mouth, have used antibiotics several times at age 18 for different infections (partially caused by the weakening of your immune system by Mercury) the yeast in your body or the Candida species very often will proliferate and become blood born.
The yeast will start controlling your immune and hormonal functions. It does that by releasing messengers in your blood. You will also start to crave carbs, the yeast thrive on this for survival. It goes on and on.
After some years of this, your immune system is weakened, you're tired all the time, the constant infection in your blood causes your adrenals to get really tired that in turn makes you take stimulants i.e. coffee. Do that for a while and now you're hypothyroid. Since MD's don't know what you have, by design I think, they put you on Syntroid and antidepressants (you look depressed and tired all the time).
Years go on and on and you just feel like you are crazy...I digress...
So to come back to the beginning, I took all the antifungals in combination, did rotations because yeast will adapt to your attacks. A lot of these attacks are in the form of oxidation (MMS for example) yeast has the ability to produce on demand antioxidants to counter your attack. They are very resilient little buggers.
For the mercury I purchased EDTA suppositories combined this with cilantro ,MSM, Chlorella and iodine over a period of 1 year to chelate as much of this mercury out of my body and my brain tissues.
As of August 11, 2013 I started taking pure Turpentine, 1tsp/day at bedtime. It has been 6.5 weeks now and it's going well. I had my mother do it too, she has Candida also and she is doing well too. Her blood pressure within a week went down from 135/85 to 121/78 . She can't believe it would have an effect on her blood pressure. Turpentine has a positive effect on peripheral blood circulation.
I hope it gives a ray of hope to those of you that are suffering in silence.
My experiment is not over, it is just beginning. In one week I will start reducing my dose to 1/2 a tsp/day. I will see how it goes.
Please do your own research and own this. Make up your own minds and figure out what YOU need. My dosage is not necessarily what you should use.

Here is a very informative paper on Turpentine:

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/41669083_The_essential_oil_of_turpentine_and_its_major_volatile_fraction_(alpha-_and_beta-pinenes)_a_review/file/79e4150bff4546ef29.pdf

[778 neighbour of some guy]

August 11, 2013 after careful study, I decided to start taking Turpentine for my chronic infection of Candida.
In the past I had tried Garlic, Caprylic Acid, Coconut oil, MMS, iodine, Ionic Silver (made myself) etc...the list goes on. I tried them in combo and by themselves. I gave them a fair shake to be really sure. The Candida symptoms would eventually always come back once I would stray from the Candida Diet (essentially the Atkins Diet). As most of us, at a young age I was brought in to the dentist (we had insurance) he filled me up with 8 silver fillings that we know has 50% mercury. Chronic fatigue kicked in around age 35. When you feel tired all the time, people want to help you so they say, "you should join the gym, get some exercise " that will give you more energy. Little do they know that it will just make things worse. When you don't follow their advice, they label you as a lazy person with no discipline and determination.
When you have 8 metal fillings in your mouth, have used antibiotics several times at age 18 for different infections (partially caused by the weakening of your immune system by Mercury) the yeast in your body or the Candida species very often will proliferate and become blood born.
The yeast will start controlling your immune and hormonal functions. It does that by releasing messengers in your blood. You will also start to crave carbs, the yeast thrive on this for survival. It goes on and on.
After some years of this, your immune system is weakened, your tired all the time, the contant infection in your blood causes your adrenals to get really tired that in turn makes you take stimulants i.e. coffee. Do that for a while and now you're hypothyroid. Since MD's don't know what you have, by design I think, they put you on Syntroid and antidepressants (you look depressed and tired all the time).
Years go on and on and you just feel like you are crazy...I digress...
So to come back to the beginning, I took all the antifungals in combination, did rotations because yeast will adapt to your attacks. A lot of these attacks are in the form of oxidation (MMS for example) yeast has the ability to produce on demand Antioxidants to counter your attack. They are very resilient little buggers.
For the mercury I purchased EDTA suppositories combined this with cilantro ,MSM, Chlorella and iodine over a period of 1 year to chelate as much of this mercury out of my body and my brain tissues.
As of August 11, 2013 I started taking pure Turpentine, 1tsp/day at bedtime. It has been 6.5 weeks now and it's going well. I had my mother do it too, she has Candida also and she is doing well to. Her blood pressure within a week went down from 135/85 to 121/78 . She can't believe it would have an effect on her blood pressure. Turpentine has a positive effect on peripheral blood circulation.
I hope it gives a ray of hope to those of you that are suffering in silence.
My experiment is not over, it is just beginning. In one week I will start reducing my dose to 1/2 a tsp/day. I will see how it goes.
Please do your own research and own this. Make up your own minds and figure out what YOU need. My dosage is not necessarily what you should use.

Here is a very informative paper on Turpentine:

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/41669083_The_essential_oil_of_turpentine_and_its_major_volatile_fraction_(alpha-_and_beta-pinenes)_a_review/file/79e4150bff4546ef29.pdf

Thanks Eligos,

that sounds very promising, in what ways do feel you have improved if I may ask?

Edgar

[778 neighbour of some guy]

..........Big thank you to Eram.......


The Power Of Turpentine-Terebinth

Terebinth has been used in the past for a host of healings ---from arthritic to respiratory –kidney and organ restoration—it has a enema effect from removing narcotic poisoning by applying 2”1 ratio of olive oil ( any carrier that is thick) to 1 part turpentine to be taken internally—it has stimulating Qualities to the arterial and nervous system ( it would open any obstruction in the veins) Terebinth can cause an increase secretion of urine and relieve the back pains as a result of back up from the kidneys and reduce blood in the urine –has been used to remove the symptoms and causes of pleurisy—by applying it on the area---the old term was called a blister---this was when you heated the element( terebinth) and then took a cloth soaked it and wrung out and then pressed and applied this to the area---in this case either the back or the chest since this would cover a large area of the body-and allowed to be there between 15 minutes to 30 minutes depending on the sensitivity of the skin---

A enemata ( a means to void out waste material from the colon) was used to remove narcotics or other toxins from the colon –the method was taking 1 tablespoon to 1 oz and doubling the oil ( a preferred heavier oil like olive or ghee-or coconut etc ) mixing them together and consuming them---this was also used to clear up a ulcer in the stomach ( good chance it would probably knock out Gerd or Hy Pylori ) the method was to take equal parts of terebinth and castor oil and consume them—it was used as well as a vermifuge ( removing worms form the body )—For Typhoid or Enteric Fever ( this is a fever brought on by drinking water that has fecal matter exposed to it ) the remedy was to take 10 drops every 2 hours during the day and every 3 hours at night ( usually applied to a sugar cube to be taken orally that way---must have a carrier )-it removed all the negative symptoms—For Typhoid Bronchitis or Pneumonia an exterior application and an interior one was the method of use to correct the body—for Purpura hemorrhage ( purple bleeding ) a skin condition where there is internal bleeding under the skin giving it a purple appearance ---terebeinth clears it up as well

Some of the listings for Terebinth ( Turpentine )

Internal Uses for Terebinth –Turpenine

Modifies tracheo-bronchial secretions

Haemostatic ( slows down or stops bleeding )

Diuretic

Antitheumatic

Antidote to Phosphorus Poisoning

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Indications

Chronic and Fetid Bronchitis Pulmonary TB ( lung TB)

Leucorrhia ( vaginal discharge)

Haemorrhage ( intestinal-pulmonary-uterine-haempohilia-nose bleeds )

Oliguria ( diuretic like effect)

Rheumatism ( painful body )

Flatulence

Intestinal Parasites ( especially worms )

Epilepsy

Phosporus Antidote
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External Uses For Terebinth-Turpentine-

Parasiticide

Revulsive ( counter irritant or antidotal)

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USES

Rheumatism-Gout-Neuralgia-Sciatica

Scabies or Lice

Puerporal Infections ( bleeding under the skin –purple spots )



Internal Uses for Terebinth –Turpenine

Genitor-Urinary Antiseptic ( used as a douche as well injectable

Dissolves Gallstones

Antispasmodic

Vermifuge ( removes worms and parasites

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Indications

Urinary and Renal Infections-cystitis urethritis ( inflammation of the urethra )

Puerperal Fever-( infection of the uterus after birth )

Gallstones

Dropsy (excess water retention of organs or tissue )

Spasms ( Colitis-whopping Cough )

Migraine

Chronic Constipation

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External Uses For Terebinth-Turpentine-

Analgesic

Antiseptic

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USES

Atonic wounds( a slow healing wound or a damaged or weakened muscle-Sores and Gangrenous wounds

Leucorrhea
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[F1]Instead of Sugar use Honey

[F2]The candida here can be as a result of it trying to breakdown the elements that are overloading the body with pollutants so there would have to be a combination detoxing the metals or Nanoparticles that are overloading the body

[F3]Extremely Safe

[Eligos]

I would have to say that bloating, carb craving, irregular bowels, foggy brain and itching at the end of the colon have decreased dramatically.
One thing my GF has noticed is that my breath is very fresh now, even when I wake in the morning. Your breath will have a very faint turpy smell to it, smells more like a citrus fragrance, she says it's very pleasant. The turp takes about 26 hours to clear your body. Your urine will also have a distinct smell.

To quote Paracelsus,

"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The right dose differentiates a poison…." Paracelsus (1493-1541)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Just took some with olive oil, hm, I suggest taking it with yoghurt and honey instead, perhaps that tastes better.

[Eligos]

Dr Daniels suggests not using anything else than white sugar as a carrier. She says that honey is too nutritive. Pantalleresco's video is very good too. He says to use honey and or oil with it. I have been using just white sugar sprinkled over my tsp of turp. Tastes good and very effective.

[sigma6]

Awesome story Eligos, that is almost my life story, I can totally identify with that... 100%... I used to be super athletic, super thin, used to get a lot of colds and flus when I was a kid, but got over that.... but then I got a whole bunch of cavities and fillings when I was around 13, 14 (typical middle class suburban Canadian lifestyle, ie. no real education on health care) and then all what your saying, skin eruptions, and pimples, I just assumed it was puberty. Then I remember taking tetracycline, that started yellowing my teeth.. and it was all so slow and gradual... and I did experience that the more and more I worked out, which I did well into my 30s and beyond, and the harder I worked out the harder it became, again I assumed it was "old age", although that didn't make any sense, because I worked out and took huge supplements! (feeding the parasites) Until I finally had enough understanding and research to know I was suffering from severe toxicity symptoms...

And it's dirt cheap, when you think about it... (in response to some saying the spent 15 euros?.... give me a break)

I have seen several selling 4 oz bottles from $5 to $10 and the price/unit is cheaper to buy larger 8oz, 16oz. You are talking about something that you are taking tiny drips of (on a teaspoon of sugar, or a sugar cube depending)

Here are two super cost effective, organically orientated sites that sell it...

http://www.greeneyetrading.com/100-pure-Turpentine-gum-3-4-fl-oz-by-ATE-Nutrit-p/653519092204.htm

http://www.diamondgforestproducts.com/~shop/4-oz-100-pure-gum-spirits-of-turpentine/186769/?catId=34919

Will add these to the top post...


This is going to be one of those 'family secrets' that will become very valuable in a time of need that looks like to be coming around the corner... We are still on the cusp of a world epidemic, only stopped because of the "negotiations" between White Hats and the Cabal Banksters... But we know they will start it as soon as they have their chance... These people are guided by an evil force that passes from generation to generation.

Stay as far away from their brainwashed, mind controlled drs and hospitals as you can... they will suck the life out you and the money out of your wallet faster then you can imagine...

[Eligos]

sigma6, I think many of us started out the same way. It's so pernicious the way the whole house of cards just crumbles in slow motion. Yeah, how often do we get told or come to the conclusion that it is just old age and our bodies are just slowing down.
We are (most of us here) awake to the NWO, what it means to our very existence. We are hit with GMO's, Chemtrails, Fluoride, BP-A, Mercury and all the other heavy metals found in food now - please let's not talk about Fukushima and the huge plums of radiation since 2011 in the air and the sea.

This is the brand of Turp I use: http://www.recochem.com/en/products/solvents/paint_thinner/item/pure_turpentine/

[sigma6]

AWESOME! LOL was looking for a Canadian distributor....

[sigma6]

Love it, love it, love it, the news keeps pouring in....
Note: the turps Eligos is referring to is distributed by Canadian Tire! which means it should be relatively cost effective and plentiful and of course easy to find for Corporate Canucks.

Here is an interview with Dr Daniels... exactly what I have been talking about, and I just got this right now...

"The Medical Mafia Conspiracy and The Candida Cleaner"

http://candida.rogerhaeske.com/congratsYOUmadeit.htm?awt_m=1bwnvv6rUj9&awt_email=

[sigma6]

http://www.naturalpigments.com/gum-turpentine.html#

Very educational (these artists are a serious bunch)

Natural Pigments Spirits of Gum Turpentine is obtained by the distillation of sap tapped from living pine trees. Turpentine has more solvency than mineral spirits or odorless mineral spirits. Its high solvent strength makes it the best choice for thinning oils and natural resins.

Our pure spirits of gum turpentine is steam-distilled from Pinus elliottii trees in Brazil, a species often used as the benchmark by which others are judged. It contains over 90% pinene, almost half of which is beta-pinene, and virtually no high-boiling constituents. It does not contain impurities found in industrial grades of turpentine, which make them unsuitable for artists' use. It is used with linseed or other oils as a medium, with damar or mastic as a diluent for picture varnishes or as a solvent for cleaning brushes and tools.

This is the traditional artists' thinner (diluent) for oil colors, mediums and varnishes. It improves the flow and dissolves wet oil colors easily and evaporates readily. Add directly to oil colors, mediums or varnishes for thinning; soak brushes well to remove color or varnish.

Turpentine is considered to be a better solvent than mineral spirits, and the best solvent for natural resins, such as damar and mastic. It readily dissolves most of the natural varnish resins. It will not dissolve the fossil resins (copal) until they have been heat-processed to render them soluble in drying oils. Turpentine is a solvent for many of the alkyd resins. Short oil modified alkyd resins require a more active solvent, and so manufacturers use d-limonene (dipentene) or petroleum solvents.

While both turpentine and mineral spirits are good brush cleaners, turpentine can remove paint that has hardened slightly. Mineral spirits only will dissolve fresh paint.

Gum turpentine or spirits of gum turpentine is recommended for artists' painting or varnish applications over other turpentine products, such as wood turpentine. The principal difference between the turpentine products available today -- gum turpentine and wood turpentine -- is the constituent b-pinene, which is almost entirely absent from wood turpentine. Wood turpentine can be used as a solvent for oil paint, but gum turpentine is more suitable for natural varnishes.

All gum turpentine sold is steam-distilled and the labels of "double" or "triple distilled" is a point of distinction that has little or no real meaning in commerce. Rectified turpentine is the term used in the United Kingdom to signify distilled turpentine.

Some believe that turpentine aged "several months" is a superior thinner and increases its durability. This was a recommendation often encountered in 19th century artists' manual, but its efficacy is unknown. Turpentine stored 15 to 18 months, still passes the ASTM tests so that the degree of oxidation developed under normal storage conditions during this period is not great.

Applications
Use as a thinner for oil-based paints, varnishes and mediums. Use to dissolve natural resins, such as mastic, dammar, Venice turpentine and Canada balsam, for making varnishes and mediums. Unexcelled as a thinner of oil-based paints.

Directions: Use turpentine to dissolve paint, varnish or mediums, then wash off the residue in warm soapy water, and finally rinse in clean water.

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[onawah]

The main question for me about these remedies for Candida is, do they kill the beneficial intestinal bacteria?
We've been discussing the importance of the latter on Dawn's thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-
and taking the approach of building up your intestinal flora and fauna instead of destroying the bad critters with cleanses of various kinds, which can have side disastrous side effects.
I've also been exploring various kinds of healthy sugar substitutes with low glycemic indexes, such as date sugar and raw coconut crystals.
It's still good to use these very moderately if you have Candida issues, but they are certainly better than others kinds of sugar.

[Eligos]

From the Walter Last article, it appears it does not harm beneficial bacteria.

On a German forum I read about a case of intestinal Candida overgrowth that had been verified by microbial stool analysis. This had not been normalised after previous Candida treatment, but after the use of kerosene all the Candida-related problems disappeared, as did the allergic reactions to several foods. A follow-up stool analysis showed that the intestinal flora was in excellent condition.

Link to the article. : http://www.health-science-spirit.com/kero.htm

[ThePythonicCow]

Wild idea for the day - combine an Andreas Moritz liver flush with a Jennifer Daniels turpentine Candida flush :).

These are the rough steps of a Andreas Moritz liver flush:

Several days of malic acid (e.g., apple juice) to soften gallstones.
On day of flush, water fast (except for apple juice in morning)
At 4 hours before bedtime, 1 Tbsp epsom salts in glass of water.
At 2 hours before bedtime, 1 Tbsp epsom salts in glass of water.
Expect to spend time on toilet, evacauting bowels.
At bedtime, 4 oz olive oil in juice, shaken (oil provokes strong flush of bile from liver.)
Next morning another couple rounds of epsom salts in water, 2 hours apart.

The fasting and epsom salts steps above would seem to fit in ideally with a turpentine Candida flush - remove any Candida "food", and make sure the path to the exit is wide open.

So I can imagine that if one also took 1 tsp of turpentine on 3 small sugar cubes at bedtime, that this would send a strong invitation to the Candida to head out the same exit path as the gallstones.

As for the small sugar cubes that Jennifer Daniels is recommending, but not naming, I am guessing she refers to Domino Sugar Cubes Dots (http://amzn.com/B0005Z7IAA).
http://www.lostwackys.com/images/original-series/7th/domino-sugardots.gif

[Eligos]

Since taking turpentine dissolves gallstones, I may never have to do a liver flush again. Paul, if you try it, please report back.

[ThePythonicCow]

Since taking turpentine dissolves gallstones, I may never have to do a liver flush again. Paul, if you try it, please report back.

A key step in a Jennifer Daniels turpentine Candida flush is first to make sure the bowels are flowing freely ... preferrably three movements per day. She recommends routine consumption of the Vitality Capsules (http://vitalitycapsules.com/vitality-capsules-are-made-of-whole-herbs-packed-in-veggie-caps) that she sells, to maintain this level of bowel movement. These capsules contain garlic, ginger, cayenne, aloe, senna, Cascara Sagrada, and Barberry.

An alternative means to the same end could be the above liver flush steps, minus the olive oil and malic acid portions, if one wasn't intending to flush gall stones.

Or, do both :). Take Daniel's Vitality Capsules, and combine the liver flush and Candida flush, as in my wild idea above.

Hmm ... I just might try that :).

P.S. == a bit of bentonite clay in the water, especially during the day of the water fast, could be good too.

[sigma6]

The main question for me about these remedies for Candida is, do they kill the beneficial intestinal bacteria?
We've been discussing the importance of the latter on Dawn's thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-
and taking the approach of building up your intestinal flora and fauna instead of destroying the bad critters with cleanses of various kinds, which can have side disastrous side effects.
I've also been exploring various kinds of healthy sugar substitutes with low glycemic indexes, such as date sugar and raw coconut crystals.
It's still good to use these very moderately if you have Candida issues, but they are certainly better than others kinds of sugar.

Onawah...
I don't think you read the pdf or the web text page reference on the first post, all that is explained! I laid it out to be a complete snapshot... it's all there... two references gives you a whole complete picture...

I included the Youtube... as secondary, not even related really, it's about someone totally abusing themselves. First off she is taking gasoline, and she is doing quantities approx 130 times the suggested turpentine dosage AND... she is doing it DAILY FOR YEARS... 18 tbsps per day! extreme, worst case scenario...


white processed sugar cubes were suggested because they have the least nutritive value, (don't feed the parasite! you don't want to give it nutrients, they are very opportunistic that way...) It's purpose is to attract it only, like laying out rat poison... not about nutrition for us...

re healthy bacteria... separate issue, different side of the coin... it would only make sense after the initial cleansing purge and die off is under control... just the elimination of a huge percentage of Candida itself will contribute to healthy bacteria growth,

I'm not going to fertilize the grass until I remove the weeds first... Whatever the specific mechanism, these solvents seem to affect the candida. I have heard many people now speak first hand about amazing results.

i.e. if it's not broken don't fix it! Or as they say... No need to "guild the lily"


And last (but not least?...) re: bowel cleansing... definite plus, you're going to cause a huge die off, anything that assists elimination only makes sense...

But!... combining a liver flush at the same time? is introducing unnecessary extraneous variables... you are dilating and opening up the bile ducts, at a time when the candida is looking for places to escape to... there could be unpredictable results, contraindications... unnecessary

doing it on an empty a system is one thing, but combining it with whole other different process doesn't sound like a good idea to me... you will be confounding variables making it difficult to establish cause and effect.

"Keep it simple stupid"... it already works... any tweaking I might try would be on dosage, to get the fastest and most effective result... based on her suggestion as a starting reference...

And I am curious what the difference between 100% pure gum spirits, steam distilled vs more commercial brands... what effect if any does that make?... the one company said theirs is made from sap, not from the wood pulp... It sounded like the best. And finally I would like to know the exact biochemical mechanism that is going on when these solvents enter into the bloodstream and interact with the parasites, how is it poisoning them?

[sigma6]

Since taking turpentine dissolves gallstones, I may never have to do a liver flush again. Paul, if you try it, please report back.

this is news!... yet it wouldn't surprise me if it were true... many if not all disease may very well trace back to parasitic infestation and the body's reaction to it... how did you come by this interpretation?....

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I took my first dose yesterday with olive oil and that felt fine, just the taste is not something I would recommend, 30 minutes ago I took my second dose on a sugar cube and ate a second not soaked cube and washed it down with some water, I could immediately tell something inside of me was clearly NOT happy and it was NOT me, I had to bolt to the restroom to clear out my bowels and some flaky stringy neighborguy doodoo presented its self to the bowl, so SOMETHING is trying to get the hell out of my insides as fast as it possibly can, the Gum Turpentine makes me feel remarkably fresh mentally btw, I am also a smoker ( amazingly hypocritical since I also like sports) and even my lungs feel like they are clearing up and I can feel the energy rising in my system. It makes me burp thoroughly cleaned paintbrushes though, burps. Besides that I feel just fine.

I'll keep you posted.

Small edit, advantage of this is, I can take it with vitamin C, ascorbic acid powder and Sole to feed my immune system at the same time, with MMS this was somewhat more complicated to say the least, I'll hang on to my MMS just the same btw, so far I have found some very useful tools for improving health on this forum and I'm not about to stop that.

[Eligos]

This is taken from the document I suggested in my first post.

"In Germany, (Rowachol and Rowatinex), Slovenia (Uroterp) and Poland (Terpichol and Terpinex), the traditional drugs for renal and hepatic diseases (especially against cholesterol stones in the gall bladder and the bile duct) contain α- and β-pinenes [2]. Modern phytotherapy describes the following properties of the terpenic oil: antiparasitic, analgesic, revulsive, dis- infectant (external use); balsamic, active on bronchial se- cretion and pulmonary and genito-urinary tract infections, haemostatic, dissolving gallstones, diuretic, antispasmodic, antirheumatic, deworming, being an antidote for poison- ings caused by phosphorus [3] and improving the ciliary and secretory activity in patients who present chronic ob- structive bronchitis (internal use ) [4]."

[Eligos]

It's good to hear someone's first hand experience. Personally, I prefer taking it just before bedtime. It makes me sleep well, food and drink does not dilute it. Oh and about burping, who knows I'm fast asleep. :-)
I think in the long run, it's best to experiment and find out what works best for us.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

It's good to hear someone's first hand experience. Personally, I prefer taking it just before bedtime. It makes me sleep well, food and drink does not dilute it. Oh and about burping, who knows I'm fast asleep. :-)
I think in the long run, it's best to experiment and find out what works best for us.

The sugar cubes almost neutralize the taste btw and instantly wiped/killed the white stuff on/from my tongue, this is very doable, as a matter of fact I have to contain myself from taking another dose, but I'll wait until tomorrow morning.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Candida symptoms, short list,

The Way You Feel

Inability to focus, Poor memory, Brain fog, Irritability, Anger, Dizziness, Depression, Crying spells, Panic attacks, Low libido, Persistent extreme fatigue, Hyperactivity, Cravings for sweets and alcohol, Insomnia, Poor coordination.

Your Digestive System

Acid reflux, Bloating, Flatulence, Nausea, Diarrhea, Constipation, Stomach cramps, Indigestion, Burping after meals, Mucus in stool, Hemorrhoids, Itching anus.

Your Skin

Acne, Cysts, Hives, Night sweats, Psoriasis, Eczema, Dermatitis, Fungal infections of the nails & skin, Athlete’s foot, Body odor.

Your Mouth

Thrush (white coating on tongue), Swollen lower lip, Halitosis, Metallic taste in mouth, Bad breath, Canker sores, Bleeding gums, Cracked tongue.

Your Respiratory System

Persistent cough, Mucus in throat, Sore throat, Sinus congestion, Chronic post-nasal drip, Flu-like symptoms, Hay fever symptoms, Sinusitis, Asthma.

Your Ears And Eyes

Eye pain, Itchy eyes, Sensitivity to light, Blurred vision, Bags under eyes, Ringing in the ears, Ear infections.

Your Genito-Urinary System

Recurring yeast infections, Recurring UTI’s (urinary tract infections), Cystitis (inflammation of the bladder), PMS & menstrual irregularities, Fungal rash.

Your Immune System

Frequent colds and flu, Allergies, Sensitivities to food, fragrances and chemicals.

Your Weight

Inability to lose weight, Water retention, Weight loss.

Other Symptoms

Headaches, Heart palpitations, Chronic body pain and/or joint pains, Muscle aches and stiffness.

Check out our Candida Questionnaire to see if you might have excess Candida growth.

Expert Leon Chaitow says in his book that, “Candida is possibly the least understood, most widespread cause of continuing ill health currently in our midst.” Think of all the people suffering from the above symptoms, think of the number of times that you yourself have suffered from them, and you can see how this might be true!

Candida Misdiagnosis

Your doctor might confuse any of the following conditions with Candida. The reason is that the symptoms are often exactly the same, and Candida may manifest itself in any combination of those symptoms.

We have listed here some of the possible misdiagnoses, together with the symptom that your doctor has focused on. Remember, your doctor is relying on you for an accurate description of your symptoms, so make sure you tell him everything!

IBS - abdominal pain, bloating, gas, diarrhea, indigestion
Arthritis - joint pain
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome - constant fatigue
Diaper Rash - rashes and itching in infants
Athlete’s Foot - Fungus on toenails
Crohn’s Disease - abdominal pain, bloating, gas, diarrhea, indigestion
Gastroenteritis - abdominal pain, bloating, gas, diarrhea, indigestion

[sigma6]

SCHWEEEETTT!!! (that's what the little candida heads say when you eat a donut....)

I have never got so fast up to speed on something, I think all the posts on this thread are building a well rounded and excellent picture. As we inquire and look at this from all angles. This is awesome! but it is such a simple secret (no more)

This should have been put under Conspiracy I think (LOL) The list of ailments is scary, of course everyone has different degrees of different symptoms, but the scary part is how pervasive it is... I think the mainstream has been using it as an excuse... they always say fluff like "it is so hard to tell, because it mimics so many other symptoms..." BS I say, I think it is "contributing" and underlying what they are attributing to more superficial causes and symptoms. (like they are trained to mislead with technicalities...one minute they're experts and you legally have to bow down to them, and then next they are shrugging their shoulders saying they just don't know for sure... pushawwww!!!!)

They are misleading in a subtle way. Once you have a focus on this and really think about it, and if you go through that list I can pull quite a few of those, which makes for a high probability constellation of symptoms. Why I never trust drs, they are front line dealers doubling their incomes for the nation wide drug producer distributors. The money is too big to trust them anymore.... (enough of that...)

I am glad that I am only showing mild symptoms, as I have always been proactive about my health. But I always felt that I never completely eliminated the problems. And it is such a vicious cycle. You fight to stay on a good diet and then in a moment of weakness those little buggers make you eat something sweet. And boom you just grew their population by several thousands more... you can't beat an enemy who's population grows exponentially inside your own body. ( Sorcerer's apprentice )

Great list of symptoms 778, and that sounds like you just exorcised a demonic influence... lol, it will be interesting to see what these turps burps are like... lol mmmm... minty fresh... LOL

Eligos #34 shows the good (thanks Eligos) fantastic! (thanks for detailed infos) . I had no idea the list of properties attributed to it! or the amount of past research... more evidence of what I call MEDIA VACUUM.... (ie. suppression) from the mainstream.

update: What I particularly find amazing is it is so counter intuitive, that it helps with kidney disease. The tradeoff of a tiny amount of "solvent" vs. a massive invasion of parasites suddenly removed... of course! That they are selling it under various name brands, we are such fools under this Rockefeller Institute supported Medical Mafia System. They were some of the biggest investors and influencers in the Money Vacuum Death Machine we have today.

And 778's shows the bad... this is sooo coming together, seriously can this get any better!? LOL! I can't wait to get my shipment, although I might rush out to an 'artist hobby' store I know, or maybe even Canadian Tire. But I did order the organic 100% and they told me they only use sap... I WANT my turps!!!

[sigma6]

This is it Eligo's find...

THE ESSENTIAL OIL OF TURPENTINE AND ITS MAJOR VOLATIVE FRACTION: A REVIEW
Beatrice Mercier, Josiane Prost and Michel Prost
University de Bourgogne, Dijon France
Faculty of Sciences (de la Vie?)
Lara-Spiral SA, Couternon, France

http://www.4shared.com/office/ZVmewWF8ba/Dr_Beatrice_Mercier_-_Essentia.html




My nutshell library of information for all that ails you...
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[ThePythonicCow]

One of the pieces of quasi-spam email that I got, after (willingingly) providing my email address to some websites related to Dr. Jennifer Daniels provided me with this interesting update on her current whereabouts:




To make a long story short, recently I've met a rogue doctor while
I was living in Panama.

In fact, she's currently staying at one of the former homes of
General Noriega.

It's a gorgeous place and farm, just amazing.

Anyways, that's beside the point. Her name is Dr. Jennifer Daniels
and you're going to be hearing a lot more about her from me in the
coming days.

She has discovered a historical healing protocol that's incredibly
powerful and super cheap. The scope of her discovery is actually
monumental.

But the drug companies, the FDA and government agencies will do
everything in their power to silence her.

In fact, they've already stripped her of her medical license and
actually put this M.D. and M.B.A. by the way... on a terrorist watch
list.

She's the gentlest and nicest person. How ridiculous to put her on
a terrorist watch list. The real terrorist is our corrupt
government.

[Czarek]

Since taking turpentine dissolves gallstones, I may never have to do a liver flush again. Paul, if you try it, please report back.

I respectfully disagree as liver forms pockets/reservoirs of “garbage” which in many cases you need to “squeeze” out. Coffee enemas do just that. If you examine your liver before and after Dr.Gerson’s coffee enema (at least on ultrasound) the liver becomes more homogenous, i.e. clear. I agree with your reference to turpentine dissolving the gallstones. This was mentioned in the article provided few posts above, incredible. This article is a MUST to read. Moreover, it would appear that a fatty meal is the way to go when taking turpentine as it is lipid soluble, at least fresh turpentine. It only becomes water soluble when old, i.e. oxidized.
I have checked availability in Canada. Sure enough, Canadian Tire sells it for $9.99 (1L container). I came out of the store laughing my a$$ off. Go to crappy tire for a cure...

[onawah]

Correct, I haven't read all the data yet, but I will.
I've just grown weary of hearing about remedies that are supposed to eliminate fungus safely, but later prove to be very dangerous because they eliminate friendly flora and fauna too.
It's hard to know who and what to believe these days.



The main question for me about these remedies for Candida is, do they kill the beneficial intestinal bacteria?
We've been discussing the importance of the latter on Dawn's thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-
and taking the approach of building up your intestinal flora and fauna instead of destroying the bad critters with cleanses of various kinds, which can have side disastrous side effects.
I've also been exploring various kinds of healthy sugar substitutes with low glycemic indexes, such as date sugar and raw coconut crystals.
It's still good to use these very moderately if you have Candida issues, but they are certainly better than others kinds of sugar.

Onawah...
I don't think you read the pdf or the web text page reference on the first post, all that is explained! I laid it out to be a complete snapshot... it's all there... two references gives you a whole complete picture...

I included the Youtube... as secondary, not even related really, it's about someone totally abusing themselves. First off she is taking gasoline, and she is doing quantities approx 130 times the suggested turpentine dosage AND... she is doing it DAILY FOR YEARS... 18 tbsps per day! extreme, worst case scenario...


white processed sugar cubes were suggested because they have the least nutritive value, (don't feed the parasite! you don't want to give it nutrients, they are very opportunistic that way...) It's purpose is to attract it only, like laying out rat poison... not about nutrition for us...

re healthy bacteria... separate issue, different side of the coin... it would only make sense after the initial cleansing purge and die off is under control... just the elimination of a huge percentage of Candida itself will contribute to healthy bacteria growth,

I'm not going to fertilize the grass until I remove the weeds first... Whatever the specific mechanism, these solvents seem to affect the candida. I have heard many people now speak first hand about amazing results.

i.e. if it's not broken don't fix it! Or as they say... No need to "guild the lily"


And last (but not least?...) re: bowel cleansing... definite plus, you're going to cause a huge die off, anything that assists elimination only makes sense...

But!... combining a liver flush at the same time? is introducing unnecessary extraneous variables... you are dilating and opening up the bile ducts, at a time when the candida is looking for places to escape to... there could be unpredictable results, contraindications... unnecessary

doing it on an empty a system is one thing, but combining it with whole other different process doesn't sound like a good idea to me... you will be confounding variables making it difficult to establish cause and effect.

"Keep it simple stupid"... it already works... any tweaking I might try would be on dosage, to get the fastest and most effective result... based on her suggestion as a starting reference...

And I am curious what the difference between 100% pure gum spirits, steam distilled vs more commercial brands... what effect if any does that make?... the one company said theirs is made from sap, not from the wood pulp... It sounded like the best. And finally I would like to know the exact biochemical mechanism that is going on when these solvents enter into the bloodstream and interact with the parasites, how is it poisoning them?

[sigma6]

Correct, I haven't read all the data yet, but I will.
I've just grown weary of hearing about remedies that are supposed to eliminate fungus safely, but later prove to be very dangerous because they eliminate friendly flora and fauna too.
It's hard to know who and what to believe these days.

Not sure where you are going with this... I suggest to take the 20 minutes to read the articles... and I would suggest organically steam distilled pine gum spirits, to be ultra conservative...

not sure what to think?... haven't read the articles?... do you see the logical fallacy?


There is plenty enough evidence to show even kerosene has worked with documentation to show that it worked for over 20,000 people in the late 50s! before it was suppressed. But then again if you had taken the 20 minutes to read the article you would have known that... that might have broken the "chain of logic" you mentioned above... you have to learn to be transparent to this pattern... (that is dangerous imo...)

And just to correct a tiny little assumption you let slip in there... No one said it WASN'T dangerous... Taking a cup full of aspirin is dangerous, drinking alcohol is dangerous... and potentially if you took a few drops more then you should you might get a bad case of the runs, or if you drank a bottle of this stuff I can't predict what will happen... that's why they call them drugs or "medicinals"... they are complex organics that have a systemic effect on the body... there is always a trade off ... in this case though the benefit far far exceeds the risk a thousand fold imo...

I can only repeat... take the 20-30 minutes

I was talking to a guy today to get info on his turpentine product, he told me had cancer of the pancreas... and oddly enough he even mentioned to me that someone else had called along similar lines and mistook me for the other party... We started talking in general and I encouraged him to research the history of his product... But he seemed to be completely satisfied with his "cancer" Not even WILLING to consider looking at information... A guy with cancer... I clearly got the impression his self perception of being a "cancer victim" was clearly more important to him then making the effort to sacrifice 20 minutes of his precious time...

What irony... I have suffered so many set backs, I have no choice but to keep trying and seeking and searching in order to move forward, even if it is only inches at a time, otherwise I would succumb to learned helplessness, and fall into the self hypnosis of rationalization that follows... the only anti-thesis to my mind is to NEVER give up... to at least die trying if need be... but that's me...

[Referee]

yeah that is what I saw first, that is essentially what the "cell wall suppressors" are... I say forget that, too expensive... that's why I started looking... at that price I knew there would be an alternative... and for $5 I can get a 4 oz bottle of 100% pure gum spirits of turpentine... even if it was $10 it's just a steal of a discovery!... I get the mercury/bacteria/yeast connection... I first came across that on Mercola, and it made sense. I still have some mercury, so these maintenance issues are going to be with me for a lonnnng time... ;(

and I just got a private message from someone who has been doing for a few weeks and it is just like they say, he definitely has seen the results talked about... I asked him to post his experience... I hope to see some feedback next month or so... can hardly wait, urine therapy is a long term, holistic, lifestyle change approach...

But Candida is actually an acute condition. UT can deal with it, but turpentine and sugar is an acute treatment. 2ml dripped on sugar cubes or a teaspoon of sugar. twice a week... this is so brilliant... read the articles people!... it's like a page or two and Dr Daniels article is not more then a dozen pages, maybe less... this is so no brainer... your going to kick yourself, there is no reason to have all these 'minor discomforts' or take useless anti-biotics... they only cause rebound, it's a joke at our expense.

It's all about giving your body a fresh start, a second chance.... this is a fountain of youth... parasite age you!

This is so the real deal... hahah... another 'suppressed' remedy... available for everyone... when the full implications hit you, the number of 'ailments' that you don't even know you have, the weight problem, cravings, energy loss, compulsive leg shaking, skin rashes, bad breath, these are all related, all symptoms of candida... I am so stoked on this, this is huge...


Here are two super cost effective, organically orientated sites that sell it...
I think the key is look for 100% gum spirits of Pine or Turpentine on the label, but at the quantities being suggested almost anything will do, given the outcome. And to think the Rockefellers had been here, profited off it, then covered it up... God bless their foul black hearts

http://www.greeneyetrading.com/100-p...3519092204.htm

http://www.diamondgforestproducts.co...9/?catId=34919

links are not working..

[ThePythonicCow]

http://www.greeneyetrading.com/100-pure-Turpentine-gum-3-4-fl-oz-by-ATE-Nutrit-p/653519092204.htm

http://www.diamondgforestproducts.com/~shop/4-oz-100-pure-gum-spirits-of-turpentine/186769/?catId=34919

links are not working..

Links work now :)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Update, I said yesterday I would not take a second dose for that day, well, I did anyway and went to sleep, 20 minutes ago I took my first dose of the day ( went to the bathroom first and nothing special there), 10 minutes past and I had to make a run for it again after some squirming and odd rumbling happened "I feel fine btw" and sticky globs came out, two flushes and problem solved, other physical responses, slept very well, my face looks fresher then three days ago, mind keeps clearing up, I am giddy.

Bad, drink lots of water, I got a slight headache yesterday, not a lot, just enough to notice something was happening, drank some water and the headache went away.

Yibbedeeee yibbedaaaaa, that's all folks.

14:05 update, third "sitting" of the day.........2 small flukes and some flaky stuff, drank a glass of Himalaya salts water to replace minerals and electrolytes. Feel fine.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Gum Turps hs to be one of the MOST powerful body re setting devices i have ever tried.

It will kill anything your body shouldnt have in it

I just had some then and i already feel better !

N

[Eligos]

I have done 14 liver cleanses over the last 6 years. 2 years ago , I did 2/week for a total of 8 in 1 month (after reading Moritz's book). As I was progressing, I could observe a decrease in size and the number of gallstones that were expelled, I actually took pictures every time. The last flush (8th time consecutive) all that was coming out was liquid bile, no more lentil or chick pea sized stones. At that point, I stopped.
I haven't done one in 2 years. The real test will be to do it again after several months of taking the "turp". If I see nothing but liquid bile, I'll know it worked. In any case, the liver cleanse removes more than just gallstones. Just to be clear, I did the Hulda Clark (olive oil, Epsom salt) version.
Good observation Czarek , you have a good point!

[witchy1]

Thank you so much sigma6. I have just taken almost a teaspoon on sugar cubes. I brought AS Pure Gum Turpentine (the AS stands for Art Spectrum) from Dymocks found in the Art area and cost $5.99 for 100ml. I had a transient warm tongue immediately which went tingly and is now normal.

Readers might find this article of interest http://www.health-science-spirit.com/kero.htm by Walter Last that talks about the medicinal uses of both Kerosene and Turps. Turps having been used since very ancient times. The links are all alive including this interesting one from 1913 "Consumption of the Lungs and Kindred Diseases, Treated and Cured by Kerosene" and with the subtitle: "Its Value as a Remedy, when to Use It, how to Use It, a Cure for the Sick, a Protection for Those in Health." He used spray inhalation to successfully treat lung tuberculosis, 1 or 2 sprays twice a day for 1 to 4 months. For internal problems half a teaspoon was recommended twice a day, http://hdl.handle.net/2027/chi.087013173 (http://hdl.handle.net/2027/chi.087013173).

Of some interest in the above article he states the following which I found useful:

William G. Crook, MD, in The Yeast Connection [8] and other books, demonstrated that Candida is the underlying cause of hyperactivity. So, ADD or ADHD and autism are just different degrees of the same brain dysfunction caused by Candida. There is evidence that a main aggravating factor leading to autism is the combination of Candida and various vaccines, possibly due to mercury and other toxic additives.

Dr Shaw found that tartaric acid, as in wine and baking powder, is one of the problematic Candida metabolites. It is not normally produced in the body but results from excessive yeast fermentation, either in the intestines or other sites of Candida infestation. A main consequence of tartaric acid in the blood is muscle weakness, as in fibromyalgia.

Tartaric acid is closely related to malic acid, which is a key component of the citric acid cycle that produces energy in the cells. Tartaric acid blocks the metabolism of malic acid. With this, the body cannot produce energy aerobically by oxidising glucose, but instead it produces energy anaerobically by converting glucose into lactic acid. This generates only 20 per cent of the energy that could have been produced by proper oxidation of glucose, and explains the chronic fatigue, overacidity and mineral deficiency so common with Candida infection.

Furthermore, our brain needs a high amount of energy to function normally. Therefore, tartaric acid and acetaldehyde, another disruptive yeast chemical, combine to cause mental problems such as brain fog, depression, hyperactivity, autism and schizophrenia.

Another abnormal chemical is the five-carbon sugar arabinose, which cross-links the functional groups of various proteins, especially enzymes, and in effect causes deficiencies of vitamin B6, biotin and lipoic acid. Cross-linking also accelerates ageing, causing cataracts and increasing rigidity of muscles, tendons and connective tissue, showing up as wrinkles and ageing skin. With Candida, we age more quickly. Arabinose also leads to increased accumulations of abnormal metabolic protein residues inside cells, such as in cancer and autoimmune diseases.

Children with autism have the same type of arabinose-containing fibre tangles in the brain as are present in Alzheimer's disease, indicating that both are related to Candida, although co-factors such as mercury and other pollutants also play a role in these two conditions.

The yeast metabolites tartaric acid and arabinose are also found in many other diseases. There is much additional evidence of this same sequence of careless antibiotic use leading to Candida overgrowth and then to specific diseases. This may involve: the immune system, as in cases of autoimmune diseases and cancer; the brain and nervous system, leading to hyperactivity, Asperger's syndrome, autism, obsessive–compulsive disorder, depression, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, schizophrenia, and other mental and movement disorders; muscle weakness, as in fibromyalgia; and generalised weakness, as in chronic fatigue syndrome. Commonly there are aggravating co-factors, such as mercury, fluoride as well as mycoplasmas and parasites.
All of this gives us an understanding of the biochemical reasons for the devastating effects of antibiotic caused fungal overgrowth in our society and the cure-all success of effective antifungal therapy.

8] Crook, W.G., MD, The Yeast Connection, Professional Books, Jackson, TN, 1983

He also referes to this article about Kerosene which is probably worth a mention

The Cancer Cure of Paula Ganner

The modern wave of using kerosene as a cancer cure started in the early 1950s. At the age of 31, an Austrian woman, Paula Ganner, with cancer metastases and colon paralysis after surgery, had been given two days to live by her doctors. She remembered that in Eastern Europe kerosene was used as a cure-all, and she started taking a tablespoonful each day. After three days, she could leave the bed, and 11 months later she gave birth to a healthy boy. At age three, this boy contracted polio which she cured with one teaspoon of kerosene daily for eight days. Ganner started spreading the information about the amazing results of using kerosene for all kinds of health problems, and over the years she received 20,000 thank-you letters with success stories.
However, most information on using kerosene as a cancer cure is in German, with very little translated into English [4].

Here are some extracts from testimonials reported in the German illustrated weekly "7 TAGE" between September 1969 and February 1970 [5]:


• A dog had a growth the size of a child's fist on his neck and was given kerosene on sugar cubes. After two weeks, the growth disappeared.
• After breast cancer surgery, a woman (48) developed tumours in the uterus. After taking a daily teaspoon of kerosene she could stop using morphine, and after six weeks she aborted three tumours.
• Another woman took a teaspoonful of kerosene three times daily for two weeks, and repeated this after a two-week interruption. This not only cured her stomach ulcer, but also, to her surprise, her diabetes.
• A man cured a severe prostate problem (it is not mentioned if it was cancer) by taking one teaspoonful of kerosene each morning and evening for four weeks. Later, he overcame a stomach ulcer in the same way. His son successfully used kerosene to cure a chronic bladder problem, and he cured his dog of leukaemia after a seven-week kerosene cure.
• After a woman (60) had her right breast removed, cancer started in her left breast. She periodically took a teaspoonful of kerosene three times daily for two weeks and then paused for 10 days. She had no more cancer problems and no more fear of cancer.
• A young woman (35) was sent home to die with an inoperable large tumour in the pancreas that extended to the adrenal glands. On the fourth day home, she briefly awoke from a coma and was given a spoonful of kerosene. Hours later she showed the first signs of improvement, and after four days she wanted to get out of bed. The kerosene cure was continued for another 10 days before she was investigated at the hospital in Graz and later discharged as being healthy.
• After six days of using kerosene, a woman discharged dead tissue which was confirmed to consist of dead tumour cells (the type of cancer is not mentioned). After 14 days, the typical smell of terminal cancer disappeared. She took kerosene for 32, 25 and 14 days, with nine days of rest between each. As a pleasant side-effect, she was also cured of her rheumatic problems.
• A woman (68) had high blood pressure, heart and circulation problems and rheumatism. She could hardly walk. After four weeks on kerosene, she was asked by a friend what she was doing to look suddenly so much younger. People think she is in her 40s. Her husband, who used to have a bent back, now runs like a youth. When she sometimes gets some pain in cold weather, she rubs her body with a sponge dipped in kerosene and lets it dry; this quickly removes any pain.
• A woman with colon cancer was scheduled for colostomy (to remove her colon and have a bag fitted). Instead, she started taking teaspoons of kerosene. Not much was happening, so she took about 50 ml in one go, together with a lot of honey in milk. This was followed by four hours of diarrhoea with pus and blood and the abortion of her tumour.

Other testimonials mention overcoming bone cancer or myeloma, osteoporosis of the spinal column, severe digestive and gastro-intestinal problems, constant vomiting, rheumatism and sciatic problems. Paula Ganner apparently used and recommended in addition to or instead of kerosene purified petrol (Naphthabenzin or Siedegrenzbenzin Merck Nr. 1770, with a special boiling range from 100°C to 140°C - SBP 100/140), as utilised for wound cleaning and as a solvent in laboratories. (The boiling range is the temperature range of a laboratory distillation of an oil from the start until evaporation of all the fractions is complete.)

4] F.A.C.T., "Kerosene",http://www.rethinkingcancer.org/resources/magazine-articles/7_9-10/kerosene.php (http://www.rethinkingcancer.org/resources/magazine-articles/7_9-10/kerosene.php)
[5] http://www.health-science-spirit.com/de.petroleum.pdf (http://www.health-science-spirit.com/de.petroleum.pdf) (in German)

He also talks about the guy in China drinking petrol quite successfully......


Anyway I'm up for giving Turps a try. Will let you know how I go

Karen

[Eligos]

For those who might wonder how to take the Turp, this is how I do it.
Get out these items:

1 saucer (coffee cup saucer)
1 tsp and 1 tbs (not plastic)
1 small dish, 2-3 inches high
Granulated sugar
Glass of filtered or distilled water

Put both spoons in the saucer, prop up the tbs at the handle end using the 2-3 inch small dish.
Pour the turp in the tsp and then transfer it to the tbs. The reason that you prop up the tbs is to keep the spoon level so as to not spill any turp.
Now the turp is in the tbs. Get the granulated sugar and tap gently the sugar onto the tbs that has the tsp of turp. Add sugar until it soaks up all the turp leaving only a few dry granules.
Take the tbs in your mouth and wash it down with your water. I keep it in the back of my mouth like 10 seconds sometimes to disinfect the back of my tongue - I can't get there with my tooth brush to scrape.
That's it.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hormone Imbalance and Yeast Infections

By Miriam Brazel
Author of Hormone Imbalance, The Mysterious Illness

A woman who had been helped with her hormone imbalance symptoms by using natural progesterone cream told me she seemed to be having a relapse of her acne. I began reading a book by William Crook, M.D., THE YEAST CONNECTION AND THE WOMAN, and was fascinated, by what I read.

I learned first of all that many of the symptoms of hormone imbalance are the very same symptoms that have been identified as caused by yeast organisms -- specifically Candida albicans. There has been research into this ailment in recent years, but as with hormone imbalance, many in the medical profession are uninterested in checking out causes for common illnesses. They choose to treat symptoms, instead.

Yeast infections get a foothold in the body when antibiotics are used which kill not only bad bacteria, but also kill the “friendly” bacteria in our system which keep yeasts at a manageable level for our immune system. Broad-spectrum antibiotics are the biggest culprits. These include tetracycline,ampicillin, amoxicillin, septra, and other medications commonly used for ear infections, sore throats, bladder infections, or acne.

Of particular interest to me was the section that taught that if yeast is the problem, using progesterone, even natural progesterone, can cause hormone imbalance symptoms to become worse! This, I believe, is very important information to add to any study of the use of natural progesterone. The reason for the worsening of symptoms is because progesterone has an influence on yeast growth. All this has something to do with hormone and acidity levels at the time of month when a woman is fertile.

Since yeast overgrowth is a problem in men, children, and babies, as well as in women, --- a closer look at this problem needs to be taken. While the use of broad spectrum antibiotics is definitely a factor in yeast overgrowth, the use of foods containing sugar also play a part in this illness.

There is help for anyone of any age who is suffering from an illness stemming from yeast overgrowth. This help is the use of a diet free from sugar and if one must use antibiotics for a bacterial infection,-- acidophilus, yogurt, or something else must be taken to restore the “friendly” bacteria in the intestinal tract, and stop the overgrowth of yeast in the body.

When this yeast-fungus passes through the wall of the intestine into the bloodstream, and is carried throughout the body, many systems become involved, including the brain. Irritability, anger, forgetfulness, depression, lack of interest in sex, and many other problems controlled by the brain begin to show up. Yeast overgrowth also damages the immune system, paving the way for many illnesses!!

When intercourse is painful, there is an inability to achieve orgasm, or a lack of interest in sex, yeast overgrowth should be suspected. When either a husband or wife is treated for yeast overgrowth, the other mate should be treated also, as yeast infections are passed back and forth between sexual partners. Often the husband has no visible symptoms.

Older women who have not used antibiotics for infections except occasionally, are not bothered with vaginal yeast infections nearly as often as the younger generation who have been given antibiotics for illnesses from babyhood on. When a woman gets a yeast infection, usually only the local area is treated. Many doctors don’t seem to realize that the infection is probably caused by an overgrowth of yeast throughout the system.

When a body’s immune system has been weakened by an overgrowth of yeast-fungus, it cannot adequately cope with either bacterial infections, viral infections, more fungus, or stress of any kind. The brain may be the first thing to react. It may shut down breathing, or cause impaired thinking. Hyperactivity is often the first thing noticed in children who are experiencing allergy problems. A stuffy or runny nose may be the body saying it has an overload of things. It cannot handle any more.

When a baby has recurring diaper rash or ear infections, suspect yeast. A baby can contract a yeast infection as it passes through the birth canal of an infected mother.

When a child is diagnosed with attention deficit disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, always check the possibility of yeast before using a drug, such as Ritalin, with it’s many side effects.

Considering all the many illnesses, some very serious, caused by yeast and fungus overgrowth in the human body, it seems that this illness should be given more attention by the medical profession. Perhaps I should say that we, the patient, should be more alert, and give more attention to the symptoms of yeast overgrowth.

Illnesses Caused or Made Worse by Yeast Overgrowth

immune system dysfunction, adrenal dysfunction, HORMONE IMBALANCE, digestive tract problems, thrush, diarrhea and constipation, colitis, abdominal pain, heartburn, canker sores, bloating, belching, flatulence, bad breath, dry mouth and throat, throat infections, food allergies, sugar cravings, crohn’s disease, psoriasis, rashes, hives, eczema, acne, asthma, allergic to smoke, sensitivity to odors, sensitivity to chemicals, sinus infections, ear infections, itching or pain in ears, headaches, night cough, nasal congestion or itching, muscle pain or weakness, joint pain, insomnia, low body temperature, athletes foot, tightness in chest, shortness of breath, attention deficit disorder, adult attention deficit disorder, hyperactive, persistent drowsiness, eye and visual problems, mood swings, lack of coordination, loss of balance, nymphomania, endometriosis, vaginal yeast infections, vulvodynia (burning vulva), sexual dysfunction, infertility, inability to reach orgasm, painful intercourse, disinterest in sex, vulvovaginitis, menstrual cramps, galactorrhea, impotence, jock itch, balanoprosthitis, prostatitis, urinary frequency, kidney and bladder infections, cystitis, hemorrhoids, depression, poor concentration, forgetfulness, anger, irritability, manic depression, meningitis, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, autism, multiple sclerosis, lupus, diabetes, alcoholism, hypothyroidism, rheumatoid arthritis, vitamin and mineral deficiency, PMS, numbness or tingling in hands or feet, swelling in hands, feet, or face.

[sigma6]

Since taking turpentine dissolves gallstones, I may never have to do a liver flush again. Paul, if you try it, please report back.

I respectfully disagree as liver forms pockets/reservoirs of “garbage” which in many cases you need to “squeeze” out. Coffee enemas do just that. If you examine your liver before and after Dr.Gerson’s coffee enema (at least on ultrasound) the liver becomes more homogenous, i.e. clear. I agree with your reference to turpentine dissolving the gallstones. This was mentioned in the article provided few posts above, incredible. This article is a MUST to read. Moreover, it would appear that a fatty meal is the way to go when taking turpentine as it is lipid soluble, at least fresh turpentine. It only becomes water soluble when old, i.e. oxidized.
I have checked availability in Canada. Sure enough, Canadian Tire sells it for $9.99 (1L container). I came out of the store laughing my a$$ off. Go to crappy tire for a cure...

I read this, then Eligos's comment, then read this again... I am actually not sure what you are saying here? You disagree... describe the benefit of a coffee enema, then agree that turpentine can dissolve gallstones... and make reference to Eligo's article to read I assume, which btw I downloaded, 4shared (with instructions)

But I am not getting what your final comment was Czarek, and now Eligos has acknowledged your "point"? (which I am confooosed about!) ...you disagree with the idea of never having to do a liver flush? but agree that it dissolves gallstones...? i.e. in a sense you are saying yes it works? but there are other factors?... my understanding is that coffee, being a source of anti-oxidants "tones" the liver... and may be considered a different process then actual flushing... is that what you are getting at?

look forward to your clarification, thanks...






Here are two super cost effective, organically orientated sites that sell it...
I think the key is look for 100% gum spirits of Pine or Turpentine on the label, but at the quantities being suggested almost anything will do, given the outcome. And to think the Rockefellers had been here, profited off it, then covered it up... God bless their foul black hearts

http://www.greeneyetrading.com/100-p...3519092204.htm

http://www.diamondgforestproducts.com...9/?catId=34919
links are not working..

update:
Looking back I'm laughing, these links won't work, when you copy and paste a link it just copies the text and not the HTML URL link... i.e. just go back to the original post...





14:05 update, third "sitting" of the day.........2 small flukes and some flaky stuff, drank a glass of Himalaya salts water to replace minerals and electrolytes. Feel fine.

Bloody hell 778! are you saying what I think you're saying??!! Did you just say you expelled "two small flukes" ??? as in worms?? please confirm!.... the way you mention it so 'casually' ... that is earth shattering news if true (will be life-changing for you!...) and you've only been taking it a few days!!...





I have done 14 liver cleanses over the last 6 years. 2 years ago , I did 2/week for a total of 8 in 1 month (after reading Moritz's book). As I was progressing, I could observe a decrease in size and the number of gallstones that were expelled, I actually took pictures every time. The last flush (8th time consecutive) all that was coming out was liquid bile, no more lentil or chick pea sized stones. At that point, I stopped.
I haven't done one in 2 years. The real test will be to do it again after several months of taking the "turp". If I see nothing but liquid bile, I'll know it worked. In any case, the liver cleanse removes more than just gallstones. Just to be clear, I did the Hulda Clark (olive oil, Epsom salt) version.
Good observation Czarek , you have a good point!

nice share, I did it 3 times but didn't see anything on the third one, and that concerned me... I should try it again too, but it is such a hassle a week of drinking cider, then planning all night to have a crap the next day. I hate drinking the epsom, but got a kick out of the olive oil and grapefruit... you sound too healthy to me... you should maybe go see a dr... :rolleyes:

[sigma6]

When a body’s immune system has been weakened by an overgrowth of yeast-fungus, it cannot adequately cope with either bacterial infections, viral infections, more fungus, or stress of any kind. The brain may be the first thing to react. It may shut down breathing, or cause impaired thinking. Hyperactivity is often the first thing noticed in children who are experiencing allergy problems. A stuffy or runny nose may be the body saying it has an overload of things. It cannot handle any more.

When a baby has recurring diaper rash or ear infections, suspect yeast. A baby can contract a yeast infection as it passes through the birth canal of an infected mother.

When a child is diagnosed with attention deficit disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, always check the possibility of yeast before using a drug, such as Ritalin, with it’s many side effects.

Considering all the many illnesses, some very serious, caused by yeast and fungus overgrowth in the human body, it seems that this illness should be given more attention by the medical profession. Perhaps I should say that we, the patient, should be more alert, and give more attention to the symptoms of yeast overgrowth.

Illnesses Caused or Made Worse by Yeast Overgrowth

immune system dysfunction, adrenal dysfunction, HORMONE IMBALANCE, digestive tract problems, thrush, diarrhea and constipation, colitis, abdominal pain, heartburn, canker sores, bloating, belching, flatulence, bad breath, dry mouth and throat, throat infections, food allergies, sugar cravings, crohn’s disease, psoriasis, rashes, hives, eczema, acne, asthma, allergic to smoke, sensitivity to odors, sensitivity to chemicals, sinus infections, ear infections, itching or pain in ears, headaches, night cough, nasal congestion or itching, muscle pain or weakness, joint pain, insomnia, low body temperature, athletes foot, tightness in chest, shortness of breath, attention deficit disorder, adult attention deficit disorder, hyperactive, persistent drowsiness, eye and visual problems, mood swings, lack of coordination, loss of balance, nymphomania, endometriosis, vaginal yeast infections, vulvodynia (burning vulva), sexual dysfunction, infertility, inability to reach orgasm, painful intercourse, disinterest in sex, vulvovaginitis, menstrual cramps, galactorrhea, impotence, jock itch, balanoprosthitis, prostatitis, urinary frequency, kidney and bladder infections, cystitis, hemorrhoids, depression, poor concentration, forgetfulness, anger, irritability, manic depression, meningitis, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, autism, multiple sclerosis, lupus, diabetes, alcoholism, hypothyroidism, rheumatoid arthritis, vitamin and mineral deficiency, PMS, numbness or tingling in hands or feet, swelling in hands, feet, or face.


Exactly what I suspected, now that it is endemic... walking around like a brain dead retard is now "normal" and mothers are definitely passing it onto the newborns... I read an article that these kids brains show evidence of all kinds of dysfunctional abnormalities.

I don't agree reducing the sugar and getting more healthy bacteria alone will do the job... if you go back to my link and go to the 4shared site, there is a information Ad video I downloaded, it was so good (although I am not interested in the product he is selling (Lufernuron, too expensive but maybe I might try it in tandem if I got the time, money to blow...)

Anyhow I included 4shared instructions, required if you never downloaded a 4shared file before... yes, it's that convoluted, and those instructions have been "simplified"... mind you, once you see what they are doing it's a simple matter though, the "misdirecting pop up ad" is a bloody rude intrusion and disgracefully deceptive and frustrating

update (for those who need to be spoon fed, no pun intended :rolleyes:)
Informative Info Ad - Candidas Yeast and Fungus Connection
http://www.4shared.com/video/G_q-AvEnce/Informative_Info_Ad_-_Candida_.html

It's always the same theme, we are being subtly misinformed every step of the way... What people aren't appreciating is how premeditated this is...


In the video, what he is saying is that Candidas enters into the body probably from our own hand into our own mouth... then it enters the intestine, the problem is when it becomes an overgrowth 99% likely because of an anti-biotic treatment after effect... at that point it penetrates the intestine and enters the bloodstream, apparently at this stage is changes from being a yeast to becoming a fungus... the reason the fungus is so hard to kill is because it develops a protective shell made from a substance called "chiten" similar to the shells on insects and small shrimp... and almost nothing penetrates this protective "shell" That's why they are promoting "Cell Wall Suppressor" aka "Lufernuron" I think it's a good product but why pay $150 bucks maybe $300. When you can do $5 $10?

That is why you can only kill of so many, but they will always come back... once in the blood stream, there are too many places to hide. The goal is to completely cleanse your blood of these buggers.... Once contained in your intestines, only then will a healthy bacteria and diet have a maintenance effect. Once again pine gum spirits of turpentine makes sense because of it's NON LOCALIZED penetrant/solvent properties.

I would take it over Chemo any day of the week... Screw the Rockefellers, I think I liked them better when they were selling kerosene as a cancer cure.. :rolleyes:

Folks we are talking about the source of all disease here... the evil genius of Candidas is that unlike bacteria whereas infections make themselves known. The attack and the fight is unmistakable. Candidas is far more insidious. The personification of evil in fact. It can thrive in the background indefinitely, being constantly attacked but never completely killed off by your immune system (Sorcerer's apprentice) Thus the slow, grinding devolution of health we are all experiencing, but for children to come out of the womb like this... now seeing this so clearly, that breaks my heart... and to think of all the slimy scumbags making money off this... they should rounded up and infected with Candidas and then given anti-biotic treatments for a year... (and watch how fast a "New" turpentine cure will be found...)

So kids are getting it before they are born, because this most excellent "information ad video" explains Candidas is unique because it can penetrate the blood brain barrier, so it must be all over the unborn child... That is just so wrong on so many levels... especially if the elites know this... as they live in their air filtered mansions, drinking their pure distilled water, paid for from money made from selling a load of sh** etc, etc... no wonder they succumb to vampiristic philosophies... they have to justify their sadism... cognitive dissonance, scientifically proven in the famous 60's experiments

[conk]

Thanks for championing this product Sigma6! A reference to a shell created by the fungi makes me wonder if turpentine could be used in Lyme cases. Burst open the Lyme cyst with turpentine, then bombard it with your choice of products. Anti-biotics if you're aligned with the allopathic/drug convention or any of the known natural products if you are sane......;)

[sigma6]

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[sigma6]

Thanks for championing this product Sigma6! A reference to a shell created by the fungi makes me wonder if turpentine could be used in Lyme cases. Burst open the Lyme cyst with turpentine, then bombard it with your choice of products. Anti-biotics if you're aligned with the allopathic/drug convention or any of the known natural products if you are sane......;)

on first guff... If I may be so bold, and based on what I have seen so far, I would say absolutely...
I would suggest checking out the article link on post #39
It is a scientific publication coming out of France, explaining the biological processes if I am not mistaken...
It appears nothing can survive the ethers of turpentine... it's like a moth to flame... it seems to attract anaerobic parasites

THIS IS SUPPRESSED information... people should think long and hard about what that means... WHO SUPPRESSED IT...
Could it be the same people who were selling kerosene as a cancer cure, who then changed over to selling chemo-therapy instead...
The idea of making a profit curing people must have been sickening to them, contrary to Satanic principle...

During the big H1N1 multi trillion dollar Pharmacy money grab...
I always wondered what was the real cause of the "epidemic of microbiologists being murdered..." another media suppression
Could they have discovered something so profoundly simple, that it's declaration (especially coming from a PhD Micorobiologist...
Would have been too devastatingly simple, that everyone over night could have "freed" themselves????

Always wondered about that...

We pride ourselves here at Camelot for being movers and shakers... WE HAVE THE ABILITY to revive what was once SUPPRESSED. This is has the potential to be as devastating to the PTB Big Pharma Mafia as the Japanese threatening to build Hydrogen Cars that run on water... The only thing stopping it is a tiny thin layer of protection known as "hypnotic programming" keeping everyone in their gilded cages...

[Eligos]

My only fear is if this becomes widespread, tptb will make sure that Turp will not be ingestible by adding a poison to it. They actually did that in Australia or was it New Zealand with Kerosene. They added a colouring substance that rendered it non comestible.
Ah maybe I'm just paranoid. MMS has been out for several years and the adoption although is in the millions, it's not used by everybody. People will continue to drink the medical cool aid.

[conk]

"I always wondered why there wasn't an epidemic of microbiologists being murdered... " But sigma6, there WAS a rash of deaths back in the 90s. There were mulitiple suspicious deaths, over 15 or so I recall, in short order. Not saying it was related to this subject, but it was quite mysterious.

[sigma6]

My only fear is if this becomes widespread, tptb will make sure that Turp will not be ingestible by adding a poison to it. They actually did that in Australia or was it New Zealand with Kerosene. They added a colouring substance that rendered it non comestible.
Ah maybe I'm just paranoid. MMS has been out for several years and the adoption although is in the millions, it's not used by everybody. People will continue to drink the medical cool aid.

Which was my original fear at the very beginning, which is why I am suggesting to support and buy from suppliers who are specifically "trying to target us" like that Diamond forest Company, They said they had been planning it for over 20 years, only been running for 3 years, but they emphasized that they are making their gum spirits from the sap (probably higher quality of whatever is in there... and that they use a steam distillation...

They are fairly shouting at us "hey NO FOREIGN CHEMICALS" Again that said, I read somewhere in test that the blue colour apparently was negligible... Perhaps maybe at the time it was a "scare tactic" and they weren't "legally" allowed to actually poison it... (i.e. they could still come up liable, especially if it was established that people were using it at the time... there would be an equitable interpretation concerning their motives and intentions...)

That said that argument won't protect us today regarding turpentine, thus why I am calling up all these suppliers and trying to get more information about their manufacturing process... (bunch of 'tards' too...)

None the less this is just me speculating on possibilities... I forget what the article said... but had to do with that very issue about the blue colour and how it seemed not to be a variable regarding effect or something...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Bloody hell 778! are you saying what I think you're saying??!! Did you just say you expelled "two small flukes" ??? as in worms?? please confirm!.... the way you mention it so 'casually' ... that is earth shattering news if true (will be life-changing for you!...) and you've only been taking it a few days!!...


Grinn, yup, 2 flukes, you read it correctly, mind keeps clearing up like you wont believe too and something else is happening too, I am not a particularly furry fellow, but the hairs on my arms seem to grow out of no where, so being a man this must have somewhat of an impact on my hormonal balance as well, very interesting, I also notice I become calmer then ever, less unrest in the underbelly or gut, I'll keep you posted on further progress of this experiment, but so far so good, if I can find any more useful to add to the thread I'll add it on, especially about candida symptoms in males that is beyond the obvious and not specifically below the navel, but good and easy to read info seems to be somewhat hard to come by or maybe I am just to specific in my searches.

[childs hood end]

Just got a 75ml bottle of distilled turpentine for €5:35, winsor and Newton
http://www.winsornewton.com/products/oils-solvents-mediums-varnishes/oil-colour--oils-solvents-mediums-varnishes/solvents/english-distilled-turpentine/

Going to try a honey mix, will be back with results.

[sigma6]

Bloody hell 778! are you saying what I think you're saying??!! Did you just say you expelled "two small flukes" ??? as in worms?? please confirm!.... the way you mention it so 'casually' ... that is earth shattering news if true (will be life-changing for you!...) and you've only been taking it a few days!!...


Grinn, yup, 2 flukes, you read it correctly, mind keeps clearing up like you wont believe too and something else is happening too, I am not a particularly furry fellow, but the hairs on my arms seem to grow out of no where, so being a man this must have somewhat of an impact on my hormonal balance as well, very interesting, I also notice I become calmer then ever, less unrest in the underbelly or gut, I'll keep you posted on further progress of this experiment, but so far so good, if I can find any more useful to add to the thread I'll add it on, especially about candida symptoms in males that is beyond the obvious and not specifically below the navel, but good and easy to read info seems to be somewhat hard to come by or maybe I am just to specific in my searches.


Absolutely brilliant... I'm still laughing at how you are being so casual about it... I guess I should add to all the folks that I have never met you nor did I pay you for this endorsement... LOLOL... but this is bloody brilliant! and congratulations to you, what you have just done for yourself, that is the best thing I have heard on this thread, you have just blessed yourself with the greatest gift you can give yourself, a parasite free body, the greatest insurance against future cancer causing symptoms, etc. (btw where there is one there should be more... keep me posted, by all means... and thanks again for sharing this with the "Shaytards" out there... :rolleyes:

ARE YOU READING THIS PEOPLE! WAKE UP CALL !! (sorry couldn't resist...)

This is what I am talking about I am very much aware of and suspected there was a connection between attitude, feelings ... YOUR GENERAL MIND STATE! and these Candidas, these buggers and their chitin shells are penetrating into our F***ING BRAINS!! The video I am sharing of the info ad is really an eye opener. I have to give the guy credit, he really educated me, it was that video that got me started on this... Something is telling me this is so suppressed, it has all the elements, again I am no rocket scientist, if I know this, I KNOW there are others that KNOW THIS...

And the articles you are putting out are all on the money... The hormonal reaction isn't just for women, we are hormonally controlled too...

[sigma6]

Thank you so much sigma6. I have just taken almost a teaspoon on sugar cubes. I brought AS Pure Gum Turpentine (the AS stands for Art Spectrum) from Dymocks found in the Art area and cost $5.99 for 100ml. I had a transient warm tongue immediately which went tingly and is now normal.

Readers might find this article of interest http://www.health-science-spirit.com/kero.htm by Walter Last that talks about the medicinal uses of both Kerosene and Turps. Turps having been used since very ancient times. The links are all alive including this interesting one from 1913 "Consumption of the Lungs and Kindred Diseases, Treated and Cured by Kerosene" and with the subtitle: "Its Value as a Remedy, when to Use It, how to Use It, a Cure for the Sick, a Protection for Those in Health." He used spray inhalation to successfully treat lung tuberculosis, 1 or 2 sprays twice a day for 1 to 4 months. For internal problems half a teaspoon was recommended twice a day, http://hdl.handle.net/2027/chi.087013173.

thanks for the contribution Witchy...
excellent, excellent! shiny gold star for you Witchy for being able to read the "instructions" (lol) congratulations! (muppets cheering in the background...) :)

heck my order is coming, but I can't wait, I'm going to a local store too on my next trip out... to hell with my over technical anal retentive paranoia...
TO HELL I SAY!!! :rolleyes:




Just got a 75ml bottle of distilled turpentine for €5:35, winsor and Newton
http://www.winsornewton.com/products...ed-turpentine/

Going to try a honey mix, will be back with results.

Childs Hood: one small point, Daniels suggested white sugar, as it has less nutritive value to parasites, I don't think it is a big deal, maybe even purely technical to some (and there may even be a hidden benefit possibly) but I thought to take the opportunity to point it up, to highlight the underlying principle Dr Daniels was getting at by specifically suggesting white sugar cubes, to 'keep everyone on track' (as a few of these posts indicate this is needed...) Thank you for sharing, please share any significant followup... people need to get the 'jolt' of what is going on here... and congratulations on your new found panacea...



This isn't another airy fairy, maybe, maybe not, speculative, pie in the sky, new age, supernatural, just fell out of the sky, blah, blah...
this is biochemistry 101...

This is PROOF POSITIVE someone has been SUPPRESSING TRUTH.. Someone has a skeleton in their closet on hiding this from the world... credit to Dr Daniels, for risking her career and maybe her life to bring this back into the light

[PurpleLama]

Spirits of Turpentine was featured somewhat in the Cayce readings.... often mixed with other substances for packs and poultices, but also sometimes to be taken internally.

[ThePythonicCow]

778 neighbour of some guy has started a new thread with a great interview: Dr. Jennifer Daniels M.D., M.B.A -- Murder By Medicine is No Accident (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64002-Dr.-Jennifer-Daniels-M.D.-M.B.A-Murder-By-Medicine-is-No-Accident).

[Czarek]

Since taking turpentine dissolves gallstones, I may never have to do a liver flush again. Paul, if you try it, please report back.

I respectfully disagree as liver forms pockets/reservoirs of “garbage” which in many cases you need to “squeeze” out. Coffee enemas do just that. If you examine your liver before and after Dr.Gerson’s coffee enema (at least on ultrasound) the liver becomes more homogenous, i.e. clear. I agree with your reference to turpentine dissolving the gallstones. This was mentioned in the article provided few posts above, incredible. This article is a MUST to read. Moreover, it would appear that a fatty meal is the way to go when taking turpentine as it is lipid soluble, at least fresh turpentine. It only becomes water soluble when old, i.e. oxidized.
I have checked availability in Canada. Sure enough, Canadian Tire sells it for $9.99 (1L container). I came out of the store laughing my a$$ off. Go to crappy tire for a cure...

I read this, then Eligos's comment, then read this again... I am actually not sure what you are saying here? You disagree... describe the benefit of a coffee enema, then agree that turpentine can dissolve gallstones... and make reference to Eligo's article to read I assume, which btw I downloaded, 4shared (with instructions)

But I am not getting what your final comment was Czarek, and now Eligos has acknowledged your "point"? (which I am confooosed about!) ...you disagree with the idea of never having to do a liver flush? but agree that it dissolves gallstones...? i.e. in a sense you are saying yes it works? but there are other factors?... my understanding is that coffee, being a source of anti-oxidants "tones" the liver... and may be considered a different process then actual flushing... is that what you are getting at?

look forward to your clarification, thanks...




I believe that you still need to do coffee enema while taking turpentine. So Yes to turpentine, and Yes to coffee enema. What I was trying to say was that turpentine treatment is not enough. You need to push all the garbage out of the liver (after turpentine effects) and coffee enema will do just that. Considering the effect coffee enemas have, I believe it is much safer to do it considering the biological basis of coffee enemas as it removes ammonia like products, toxic-bound nitrogen, protein derivatives, polyamines, amino acids, coaggulated clumps and complexes...

[Flash]

This thread is soooooooo interesting. I was looking for someting that kills cysts and bad larvaes and other stuff like this without killing the right bacteria.

When I gave the worm product to my cat last year, I was wondering if it would work with humans. I have the answer. I thing I will treat my gorilla next. LOL.

I had problems with the soda and maple syrup or molasses because of he sugar (diabetes). I may have found the solution here. Also, I was thinking of MMS, but it kills everything, good and bad.

This thread is very interesting. Many many thanks Eram, 778, Paul, Norman, Czarek, all others too, and mostly Sigma 6 for your posts and this great thread.

[Flash]

I thought on the contrary that sugar was More nutritive for parasite. When going on a candida elimination protocol, you have to stop all sugars (as per doctors). Which would make sense, since sugar would get the turpentine right where it should go, straight away.

Anyhow, use sugar, that is the lesson, with turpentine, with baking soda, with everything that kills those buggers.

[norman]

I thought on the contrary that sugar was More nutritive for parasite. When going on a candida elimination protocol, you have to stop all sugars (as per doctors). Which would make sense, since sugar would get the turpentine right where it should go, straight away.

Anyhow, use sugar, that is the lesson, with turpentine, with baking soda, with everything that kills those buggers.

Hehe, what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.

[Flash]

I now remember my old mother (80 years old) telling me that her grand mother (200 years old - of course she passed away a long time ago) was cleaning the head lices with kerosene. Everyday, for a month, she would used a small comb, dip it in kerosene and pass all the children with it. It worked.

Wow, back to our great grand mothers

[Czarek]

Spirits of Turpentine was featured somewhat in the Cayce readings.... often mixed with other substances for packs and poultices, but also sometimes to be taken internally.

This is interesting. We need to investigate combinations Cayce was talking about.

[Eligos]

More documentation on Turpentine :

http://www.mediafire.com/download/3kgk183gc5ao0fs/Coniferae._Turpentine_(Teeebinthina).pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/wyabydcad4cb3ho/Turpentine_Review_of_Toxicological_Literature.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/736es7pwbg4sucl/THE_ESSENTIAL_OIL_OF_TURPENTINE_AND_ITS_MAJOR_VOLATILE_FRACTION.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/cd8aufd86qo68cu/Biological_Activities_of

[778 neighbour of some guy]

More documentation on Turpentine :

http://www.mediafire.com/download/3kgk183gc5ao0fs/Coniferae._Turpentine_(Teeebinthina).pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/wyabydcad4cb3ho/Turpentine_Review_of_Toxicological_Literature.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/736es7pwbg4sucl/THE_ESSENTIAL_OIL_OF_TURPENTINE_AND_ITS_MAJOR_VOLATILE_FRACTION.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/cd8aufd86qo68cu/Biological_Activities_of

Thanks Eligos, that was a lot of info, especially the second document, a bit technical but informative, a bit mixed report if I may say so, I will however to continue the small tea spoon doses this week, so far its going well, drinking lots of water is required though.

[Eligos]

More documentation on Turpentine :

http://www.mediafire.com/download/3kgk183gc5ao0fs/Coniferae._Turpentine_(Teeebinthina).pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/wyabydcad4cb3ho/Turpentine_Review_of_Toxicological_Literature.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/736es7pwbg4sucl/THE_ESSENTIAL_OIL_OF_TURPENTINE_AND_ITS_MAJOR_VOLATILE_FRACTION.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/cd8aufd86qo68cu/Biological_Activities_of

Thanks Eligos, that was a lot of info, especially the second document, a bit technical but informative, a bit mixed report if I may say so, I will however to continue the small tea spoon doses this week, so far its going well, drinking lots of water is required though.

Agreed, this is not for most people to read since a chemistry background might be needed to fully understand it all. None the less, we should have all the pertinent info at hand if need be.

Did you decide to take it at bedtime or in the morning at this point?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

More documentation on Turpentine :

http://www.mediafire.com/download/3kgk183gc5ao0fs/Coniferae._Turpentine_(Teeebinthina).pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/wyabydcad4cb3ho/Turpentine_Review_of_Toxicological_Literature.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/736es7pwbg4sucl/THE_ESSENTIAL_OIL_OF_TURPENTINE_AND_ITS_MAJOR_VOLATILE_FRACTION.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/cd8aufd86qo68cu/Biological_Activities_of

Thanks Eligos, that was a lot of info, especially the second document, a bit technical but informative, a bit mixed report if I may say so, I will however to continue the small tea spoon doses this week, so far its going well, drinking lots of water is required though.

Agreed, this is not for most people to read since a chemistry background might be needed to fully understand it all. None the less, we should have all the pertinent info at hand if need be.

Did you decide to take it at bedtime or in the morning at this point?

I cheated, I did both, even found a larger teaspoon for it;), but I will take my second dose of today tonight before I go to bed, after that I'll stick to one dose a day for the next ten days, I cheated some more actually as an experiment, ate some sugary cookies or potato crisps to see what the effect would be, results are, fungus still alive, hungry and gives me gas, the die off probably is also partly responsible for that distasteful aspect, so knowing that now, I'll stay of the treats from now on for the next ten days, my stool is however different, some flaky threads in it of an unclear consistency so as long as that's not bothering me physically I assume I am on the right track, no turp or flower smell to it however, this goes for number one as well as for number 2.

I am very light on my feet btw and the slight muscle ache I had for a few weeks at my elbow has also become less, my joints seem more supple too and my mind is fresher and muscle tone/strength seems to be stepping up, less tension between my shoulders, I did notice a bit of a sensitive part of my liver but that was to be expected of course, even though the doses are just teaspoons ( and I cheated by doubling up)it is an new formerly unknown substance to my system, I just drank more water and the symptoms cleared up immediately, so, so far so good as far as I am concerned.

And you? how is it going for you thus far now we are a few days further?

I am somewhat curious of the results of others btw, I know others have ordered the turp and hope they will give us updates as well, if only to keep the thread moving, its a great way to provide each other with information and tips and perhaps encourage other to dive in the deep end of the pool too, sometimes you just got to role the dice as they say, I am glad you shared your experience btw, that really helped in getting me started, so thanks again.

[Eligos]

On Oct 11 it will be 2 full months for me at 1 tsp/day.
I found that it took at least 2 weeks before I had noticeable changes, by that I mean, after 2 weeks I could eat juice, chocolate bar, cake and I would have no changes on my tongue or any changes in my bowels ( I did that as a test only) So as strong as turp is, it needs some time to de-activate the critters.

What my plan is at this point is go to a half dose (1/2 tsp)/day when my 2 months are up and do that for another month. Then I will do another month at 3 days/week then 2 days/week as a maintenance dose indefinitely. Of course, all of this is subject to change if for any reason I don't see the results I'm expecting. I have had this for at least 20 years, maybe longer. Stopping too quickly will not kill off all the mutated and hardened yeast that had changed into fungus. Let's not forget that the colony that inhabits my body had been targeted by all the natural antifungals that I could find. They are hardened criminals these little ba$tards. So, I will stay on a small maintenance dose on a permanent basis.
I am still on a less than strict Atkin's diet and I

• Do not drink alcohol any more (been 2 years now)
• Not a smoker
• No dairy but some occasional cheese
• No sweets, no fruit juice (loaded with sugar)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I have had this for at least 20 years, maybe longer.

Wow man, that must have been quite a journey for you, I only recently discovered that the white substance on my tongue was thrush, I always attributed it to my smoking, I eat reasonably healthy, maca, spirulina, chlorella, wheatgrass, barley grass, hemp seeds and chia make up a part of my diet the last couple of years and the only medication I have ever been on as far as can remember are aspirins and the occasional ibuprofen, I did do a lot of very unhealthy drugs in my youth though ( the soft and hard ones) and I now have no doubt this has contributed to my susceptibility of candida, MMS did some nice partytricks for me but didn't clear it up, so I am very happy you shared your story and many can benefit if they read the thread, its a good reason to keep it up to date.

Thanks again for sharing man, very much appreciated.

Ed.

[sigma6]

I believe that you still need to do coffee enema while taking turpentine. So Yes to turpentine, and Yes to coffee enema. What I was trying to say was that turpentine treatment is not enough. You need to push all the garbage out of the liver (after turpentine effects) and coffee enema will do just that. Considering the effect coffee enemas have, I believe it is much safer to do it considering the biological basis of coffee enemas as it removes ammonia like products, toxic-bound nitrogen, protein derivatives, polyamines, amino acids, coaggulated clumps and complexes...
thanks for the update Czarek, makes sense, anything that supports waste removal, and 778, the worst thing you can do when you are trying to kill of yeast or parasites is indulge in sugary snacks!... they know they are dying, they engage in survival relflexes, sugar outside of the treatment can cause severe rebound effects... not sure if the idea of increasingly higher doses is necessarily the way to go either... your my "best test subject" to date, don't want to see anything nasty happen to you (lol)

I am thinking more about a multi pronged or holistic approach. Some healthy eating, mostly veggies, I will have some sagrada, or senna on hand... a lot of water. My idea is to not have anything suagary or high carbohydrate for at least 2 or 3 days, then pop the sugar cubes with the a few drops... and see what happens... slow and steady. If I can handle it, I will up the ante, but I think there must be a diminishing return somewhere... my feeling is that one needs to balance this against and possible over toxifying effect to the liver and/or kidneys... even though some of the articles have mentioned beneficial results for liver and kidney ailments, I don't understand the process yet, whether that is from long term application or treating acute problems (like massive overgrowth of candidas on internal organs, etc... haven't read all the article myself... (they are coming in so fast) I don't want to underestimate this thing... don't throw caution to the wind... not trying to reinvent the wheel here, there is plenty of historical precedent we can all look at for reference... Dr Daniels said a people were doing it twice a year...

Moderation in all things, otherwise we she would tell us to just chug 16 oz of it and pour another gallon of it down an enema tube.... but somehow I don't think that is the solution... :o
will keep you all posted...

oh crap missing corvo's call!!!
http://truthfrequencyradio.com/chatroom/

[ThePythonicCow]

My pint of Turpentine, from Diamond G Forest Products (http://www.diamondgforestproducts.com/), Patterson, Georgia (US) arrived today, so I tried a dose of one teaspoon, poured over a stack of three Domino Sugar Cubes DOTS (the small cubes).

My bottle of Dr. Jennifer Daniels Vitality Capsules (http://vitalitycapsules.com/vitality-capsules-selection-page) arrived too ... expensive buggers ... someone is making profit ... I hope Jennifer is seeing some of that profit. They are a proprietary blend of Aloe vera leaf, cayenne pepper fruit, garlic bulb, barberry root, ginger root, senna leaf and cascara sagrada bark, which are various ingredients that might sooth or cleanse the gut. I justified the one bottle partly on the basis of being willing to share a little with Jennifer Daniels. I took two of those this morning as well (supposed to start with one, but I on the large side.)

Three times to the toilet today, whereas normally it would have been once. Whether that was due to the turpentine or the Vitality Capsules, I may never know. There were a few strange looking little bits and pieces visible, including several of the green "baby peas" that I recognize as gallstones from my previous liver flushes. I am already three days into the apple juice phase of a fourth liver flush, so perhaps its easier to flush a few gallstones by these other means.

I'm also including calcium bentonite clay in my water and apple juice, for perhaps one rounded teaspoon per day. And I'll likely do a coffee enema before and after the key phase of the liver flush. I also changed my diet (which I've done many a time before) to mostly green leaf salads with olive oil and vinegar dressing. I stopped consuming (1) dairy (was drinking about 3 gallons of fine raw milk per week), (2) cheese, (3) chocolate, (4) rice and (5) beans.

I am rather liking the idea of the turpentine and sugar cube flush ... I'll continue that daily for a little while.

Both the olive oil and apple cider vinegar in the salad dressing are Bragg's ... they make excellent olive oil in addiction to the vinegar they are better known for.

[music]

Someone may have mentioned this, sorry, I haven't time right now to read the entire thread.

Vincent Van Gogh, like the girls described above who eat nail polish, etc, had a craving for turpenes. Now the turpenes are found in things like gum turpentine (from pine and fir resin) and camphour, but also in herbs like sage, yarrow and wormwood. Van Gogh slept on a camphour pillow, was frequently found eating his paints, and had to be restrained from drinking gum turpentine on several occasions. The turpene found in yarrow, sage, and wormwood is thujone, a psychoactive compound that works on the nervous system at the synaptic level. In low doses it has a tonic affect on the nerves while encouraging what may be called an opening of the doors of perception. In high doses you might do something like, oh, I don't know, cut your ear off. Generally occurring with the turpenes in herb form are substances that do cause cysts and tumours on the liver, this a fact any herbalist will tell you, but I don't know whether the extraction of the turpenes in gum turpentine isolates or denatures these compounds, or even if they exist within the pine and fir at all.

[meat suit]

thanks for this thread guys,
my rectified turpentine is on the way, so I will also chime in with my expiriences...
but looking around youtube, I found this...... based on this I would say dont take Iodine at the same time or you will explode...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sgCJaICcaY

[Eram]

Woww thanks for that Meat Suit.

I do take iodine supplements as you know and I wouldn't want to find this out the hard way... oef!

[ThePythonicCow]

but looking around youtube, I found this...... based on this I would say dont take Iodine at the same time or you will explode...
So maybe that's how the turpentine kills the Candida ... blows it to kingdom come :)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Damn, so that's what they used to bring down building 7.:rolleyes:

[Eligos]

Yeah, I think I'll keep taking my turp at bedtime and take my iodine in the morning. I don't want to be the 4th building on 9/11. Lol

[CD7]

Very interesting thread. Makes me want to go out and buy turpentine! And when I do, ill surely report back my findings :)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Very interesting thread. Makes me want to go out and buy turpentine! And when I do, ill surely report back my findings :)

Make sure you buy the right one Christine, 100% gum turpentine, organic/bio, that would be from trees, good luck, the world is yours.

[minkton]

Very interesting thread. Makes me want to go out and buy turpentine! And when I do, ill surely report back my findings :)

Me too, thankyoou very much for this thread. I'll buy some and take it mixed with oil as Tony's video showed, and report back any effects. I'll make sure to get the pure stuff.

[schneider]

I'm on my 4th day of taking the 100% gum terpentine and the effects were immediate with me. I was a little leary at first so I decided to start off with only 3 droppers on a teaspoon of sugar. I took it at night before bed and as I was lying in bed I could feel it working on my liver and intestines with a need to get up and empty my bowels before falling asleep. I also feel my body heating up when I take it, like my body is trying to sweat out the candida. I have increased the dosage a little each day and make sure to drink plenty of water. My bowels are very regular, but I think it is very important to assist the body in expelling as much as possible so the yeast is not reabsorbed. I think it's important to be aware of your kidneys while taking the turpentine because they are working overtime cleansing the body so if you are experiencing any back pain just back off the treatment for a while and then start up when the pain is gone. Everybody is different so pay attention and become your own healer.

[Czarek]

...I think the final kill may come by going NPO for at least 2 days;On the final hour of the 2nd day, you take turpentine and go to sleep for 8 hours or so. What I'm refering to here is undergoing normal Tx with turpentine for some time and doing the 2 day fast. Not sure how safe this would be but it makes a lot of sense.

[ThePythonicCow]

...I think the final kill may come by going NPO for at least 2 days
Yup - makes sense.

For those that don't recognize it, "NPO" stands for the Latin phrase "nil per os", meaning "nothing by mouth".

[ThePythonicCow]

Wild idea for the day - combine an Andreas Moritz liver flush with a Jennifer Daniels turpentine Candida flush :).

These are the rough steps of a Andreas Moritz liver flush:

Several days of malic acid (e.g., apple juice) to soften gallstones.
On day of flush, water fast (except for apple juice in morning)
At 4 hours before bedtime, 1 Tbsp epsom salts in glass of water.
At 2 hours before bedtime, 1 Tbsp epsom salts in glass of water.
Expect to spend time on toilet, evacauting bowels.
At bedtime, 4 oz olive oil in juice, shaken (oil provokes strong flush of bile from liver.)
Next morning another couple rounds of epsom salts in water, 2 hours apart.
Take one teaspoon turpentine on three sugar cubes, a couple hours later.

The fasting and epsom salts steps above would seem to fit in ideally with a turpentine Candida flush - remove any Candida "food", and make sure the path to the exit is wide open.

So I can imagine that if one also took 1 tsp of turpentine on 3 small sugar cubes at bedtime, that this would send a strong invitation to the Candida to head out the same exit path as the gallstones.



...I think the final kill may come by going NPO for at least 2 days;On the final hour of the 2nd day, you take turpentine and go to sleep for 8 hours or so. What I'm refering to here is undergoing normal Tx with turpentine for some time and doing the 2 day fast. Not sure how safe this would be but it makes a lot of sense.

Aha - now I know what I'm going to try - take the turpentine about mid-day, the morning after. That would be a couple hours after the fourth and final round of epsom salts in water.

That's not quite a full two day fast, but it's a full one day fast, with rather dramatic flushing of the bowels, thanks to four rounds of epsom salts as well as the liver bile dump. So one's G.I tract should be like the Aubobahn with nobody else on it.

I just added that step to the above list, as the final item in bold. Thanks!

I'll be giving this a try in a couple of days. I'm already a few days into the malic acid step.

[sigma6]

Very interesting thread. Makes me want to go out and buy turpentine! And when I do, ill surely report back my findings :)

Make sure you buy the right one Christine, 100% gum turpentine, organic/bio, that would be from trees, good luck, the world is yours.

There is one made from the pure sap according to my conversation with them (Diamond G Forest Products)... I posted the link, I think on the #39... ;) but yes pure oil/resin of pine... but I am reading up on the bp's of different plants and there may be something more, the bp is apparently related to how well it will enter the intestine, and how well it will enter into the bloodstream... and that is when they die and your life begins! ;o

btw I guess that means iodine turpentine enemas are out? :rolleyes:






Very interesting thread. Makes me want to go out and buy turpentine! And when I do, ill surely report back my findings :)

Me too, thankyoou very much for this thread. I'll buy some and take it mixed with oil as Tony's video showed, and report back any effects. I'll make sure to get the pure stuff.

Apparently there is a difference in how it is manufactured... There isn't exactly a food grade, like hydrogen peroxide, but there does seem to be a pharmaceutical grade which I haven't seen but only referenced from reading some of the pdfs... I got the impression, those are mostly made in Europe, where it is recognized and sold as a medicinal...(no a 'secret' over there...)

Anyhow, that is why I am touting Diamond G's, because I know specifically they told me they make it from pure sap, and steam distill it, i.e. just like making maple syrup! I talked to them... (nice southern folks...) Anyhow, much to my surprise, it seems to have a beneficial effect on the liver and kidneys as well!... which I wasn't expecting at all, but in retrospect, it kinda makes sense, it is a solvent, and would emulsify fats (or similar) however I would also say by the same token that taking too much, too quickly could be potentially hazardous just my intuition at this point (and common sense) So no chugging the stuff 778!!! :eek:

And a clear elimination channel is very important..






I was addicted to nose spray for over 10 years and then one day, it just went away.
I remember waking up one day not needing it. Always my head was clogged. Now for some reason it was free of most blockage. I blew my nose, took my nose spray, went to work and have had no problems since. No painful misery getting off this stuff. Imagine how I felt. I was shocked. Watch the two suggested videos and everything will come into focus.

Not surprisingly... all I had to do was change my diet.
I was watching youtube one day and a Doctor Robert Morse said that there were 2 fluids in the blood. One was the blood which is there to transfer nutrients and the other is the lymphatic fluid for waste. He suggested that the real problem with most illnesses is that the lymphatic system get sludgy/sticky and stops working correctly. Dr. Morse explained that this was the real reason for the high cancer rates for lymph node cancer.

from foreverfan's post.... hmmm... anyone see another possible ailment that could benefit from the use of a 'tincture of parasite killing 'solvent' ??
I think this is quite literally turning out to be a true panacea

[778 neighbour of some guy]

So no chugging the stuff 778!!!

Meh, ok dad, sure dad, fine dad, whatever you say dad, mum is really ugly dad, wish you made more money dad, did you use up all the toilet paper and left nothing but the empty roll again dad, put the seat down dad, I just stole your last beer dad, take it easy dad, I returned to the protocol dad and am doing fine dad. Sorry Sig, had to get this out of my system:p

Ok enough of that, well, I am really thirsty and have been awake for the better part of the night and only slept a few hours, some weird dreams too ( about all sorts of candy bars, meaning the critters need a snack that I am not going to provide for them), the backdoor is somewhat itchy, I guess the little gangsters are running for every door they see, itchy ears, nose, scalp and the thrush keeps returning which is no problem, I just scrape it off and its gone again, but what it means imo is that its leaving as fast as it can, slight headaches ( stingy) about half an hour after taking the turp that lasted for about an hour, loud rumbling noisy intestines as soon as I dropped the turp and sugar, yellowish stool of normal consistency/viscosity so Smellvis has left the building for the first time today without even an encore ( cheap bastard), and I said this before, my muscle tension seems to be improving and I feel lighter, face somewhat puffy ( like after a drinking party with some friends) but no alcohol for me last night or this week for that matter so that cant be it imo, I have cravings for chocolate cookies and crisps that drive me bonkers but I'll just chew on some carrots, cucumber, lettuce and tomatoes instead even more then I already do, i'll keep you posted, in the meantime I look forward to your stories/results so keep em coming everyone.

Ed

[witchy1]

Definately lighter on my feet - even had a bit of a jog coming down Oxford street yesterday (havn't jogged for 30 years) so it was slow, but felt i needed to stretch my legs and really felt good! (I quit smoking 4 months ago after a 35 year habit)
Toenails are whiter
I have had weird tiny flat skin thickening on 3 parts of my left palm...they have all but dissappeared. No whiteness on tongue
Only had 2 doses as last night had wine and didnt want to mix the two
Suggest dont take the epsom salts (Magnesium) after taking the turps like I did the first time - just felt yukky
Was going to do it just twice per week but might do it daily...... still thinking about that
Also definately rumbly tummy and what comes with that :o

[minkton]

Could you give a link or a name for the medicinal version of this sold in europe?

I just bought a pure version, used by decorators..Mylands, pure gum turpentine.


I'd like to look at the medicinal euro version, I'm in the uk and could get some.

[sigma6]

Could you give a link or a name for the medicinal version of this sold in europe?
I just bought a pure version, used by decorators..Mylands, pure gum turpentine.
I'd like to look at the medicinal euro version, I'm in the uk and could get some.

I think it was in the 'kerosene' doc by Last... I have provided links for all the docs I have...



re:: 778 post... must be the turps... :rolleyes:

[minkton]

ok, thankyou

[778 neighbour of some guy]

re:: 778 post... must be the turps...

Yeah man, I am all Turpsy Turvy, yours come in yet?

[Czarek]

I wonder if braking the dose into small portions throughout the day would help. So you would alter your schedual, say few days you do 1 tsp/day and few days you'd take a drop/hour throughout the day. I think Eligos would benefit from this.

[ThePythonicCow]

In her instructions, Dr. Jennifer Daniels says she put some turpentine in a teaspoon and slowly dribbled it onto a stack of 3 cubes until the bottom cube just began to get some. This was using the one (1) cm cubes, which is indeed the size of the Domino Sugar Cubes Dots (http://amzn.com/B0005Z7IAA) I listed above.

I had thought she mean a measuring teaspoon, but that won't work. A measuring teaspoon has a volume of about 5 cubic cm, whereas a stack of 3 cubes, each 1 cm on a side, has a volume of just 3 cubic cm.

So now reading her instructions more carefully, I take it she means to use an ordinary teaspoon as used with tea or coffee, and not to pour the entire contents of the spoon onto the cubes, but just enough to soak the top two cubes in the stack of three. This would I am guessing be only approx 1/4 of a measuring teaspoon's worth. I have more measurements to do to determine the actual amount needed to soak two cubes.

Other similar uses of turpentine that I have noticed on the web speak of using 1/2 teaspoon or even 1 teaspoon of it. Yet another user suggested putting just a couple drops on the tongue at bedtime, for a fresher mouth in the morning

[778 neighbour of some guy]

In her instructions, Dr. Jennifer Daniels says she put some turpentine in a teaspoon and slowly dribbled it onto a stack of 3 cubes until the bottom cube just began to get some. This was using the one (1) cm cubes, which is indeed the size of the Domino Sugar Cubes Dots (http://amzn.com/B0005Z7IAA) I listed above.

I had thought she mean a measuring teaspoon, but that won't work. A measuring teaspoon has a volume of about 5 cubic cm, whereas a stack of 3 cubes, each 1 cm on a side, has a volume of just 3 cubic cm.

So now reading her instructions more carefully, I take it she means to use an ordinary teaspoon as used with tea or coffee, and not to pour the entire contents of the spoon onto the cubes, but just enough to soak the top two cubes in the stack of three. This would I am guessing be only approx 1/4 of a measuring teaspoon's worth. I have more measurements to do to determine the actual amount needed to soak two cubes.

Paul, my man, just use a teaspoon and two cubes, you going to eat it anyway, in under a minute, this is what I do now, I take a tablespoon, poor a teaspoon of turp in it, and stack the two cubes in the teeny weeny turp puddle in the tablespoon, schluuuurp and the turp is absorbed in about max three seconds, the first cube absorbs most, you can tell by the color ( it looks just more moist then the second cube), let it sit for a few minutes for the liquid to transfer from the first to the second cube, chew or suck and have a glass of water afterwards, I have read the dr. J Daniels top secret report a couple of times now, and you have to go really crazy with the turp to overdo it, she had a curious and playful attitude about it, so the regular teaspoon you use to stir your usual cuppa with is fine.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, my man, just use a teaspoon and two cubes, you going to eat it anyway
I'll wager you're right, at least for some of us :).

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Paul, my man, just use a teaspoon and two cubes, you going to eat it anyway
I'll wager you're right, at least for some of us :).

You will be fine, trust me, I'll be the first to admit its a bit strange to consume that substance, a substance used for cleaning paint brushes and I too was a bit apprehensive at first, and please take note the dear doctor was speaking in very general terms, the absolute safe dose for everyone is a teaspoon a day, kids half a spoon, but nobody is 'general', not me not you, not anyone, she wanted to get people ( anyone, she gave the advice to), through this without a single hitch, out of care and because her bread and butter was on the line there, she made that very clear, so when using the teaspoon dose, a drop more or less will be of very little consequence, you will be absolutely fine, I promise.

It would not cross my mind even once to tell you this if I didn't feel this was safe, a teaspoon a day, and if you feel can handle it perhaps two, its not a big of a deal as its sounds or looks like, really.

[ThePythonicCow]

You will be fine, trust me, I'll be the first to admit its a bit strange to consume that substance, a substance used for cleaning paint brushes and I too was a bit apprehensive at first
Ah - you might have misread me.

I'm not worried about anything like this amount harming me. Rather it is that I have more of a technical chemist attitude toward things, with a fondness for procedures and measurements. I had initially taken Dr. Daniels instructions in that vein, so was momentarily surprised when it turned out she was being more casual in explaining her procedures. Now I'll end up developing my own more exacting procedure, as suits my temperament.

I also use a little more caution when suggesting things to others that I don't know much about myself yet :).

[Eligos]

I wonder if braking the dose into small portions throughout the day would help. So you would alter your schedual, say few days you do 1 tsp/day and few days you'd take a drop/hour throughout the day. I think Eligos would benefit from this.

How would I benefit from this?
I could see how taking MMS every hour (and it is the best way) would be good since it stays active for 2 hours in your body. On the other hand, turp takes 24+ hours to clear your body. Once a day is all you need in my opinion. I am very satisfied with my results thus far, actually amazed really.

[childs hood end]

Thur 3rd - one tea spoon turpentine with 3 tea spoons of honey... 20 min in my energy levels jumped way up... Head never felt clearer.... Any aches and pains I had are gone... Lungs fell like they have expanded... Air ways realy clear... 3 to 4 ****s a day.

Fri 4th - one tea spoon turpentine with one and a qtr tea spoons of sugar... All the above continue...

Sat 5th - one tea spoon turpentine with one and a qtr tea spoons of sugar... All the above continue.. Pluss some crazy **** in my piss (loads a little flaky things)

Sun 6th - taking a break.

Mon 7th - one tea spoon turpentine with one and a qtr tea spoons of sugar... All still feels good... And here I am.

No side affects what so ever...
Taste ain't that bad at all...

Will continue and keep yous posted.... Peace.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

My cleanup update for today, icky sticky yellowish nr2.

Added a little extra exercise specifically targeted at the lymphatic system to flush anything floating there out as well asap ( simulated rebounder, 100 bounces without losing ground contact with toes, your lymphatic system contains one way valves, you can assist the body's peristaltic by rebounding or simulating it for faster clean out, make sure to drink plenty of water to assist flushing your system, don't forget to replenish your minerals, you are drinking a lot of water as is already and excreting nr 1 and 2 , both require water, above exercise speeds up the flush so you have to provide your system with extra minerals as well).

[schneider]

I have been using my rebounder also, it really is good for the lymphatic system due to the increased gravitational force from the bouncing. I think the turpentine is sooo much easier to swallow than MMS. My body doesn't react like it did the first couple of days and my head is so much clearer.

[Old Snake]

Paul,avalonians,

I am a classic homeopath & some more,

Some advice: use this turpentine stuff no longer than 2 weeks.
sensitive people may get symptoms they never had before.
Two weeks is more than enough to clean your body,given time.
Kero(sine) is not in this league and let that alone!
There are other remedies to considder: Thuya, pix liquida, all with their own
pathology.
For more info on all ,try googling :name of remedy and homeopathic
One can also find : Hpathy, and find the remedies (is a site run by George Vithoulkas
one of the very best homeopaths living........................
I ask of you not to be heroes..........................and disapear over the horizon.

Old Snake

Need advice? pm me.


Paul can you make this "stick"?

[minkton]

I dont know what the protocol is for taking this remedy, in terms of duration. I would have thought two weeks 'd be plenty.

[ThePythonicCow]

Some advice: use this turpentine stuff no longer than 2 weeks.
sensitive people may get symptoms they never had before.
Two weeks is more than enough to clean your body,given time.
I'm no expert, but that sure sounds like fine advice. From what Dr. Daniels says, it seems like our ancestors just took a dose now and then, perhaps every few months or once a year, unless they needed a short term regimen for an acute problem.


Paul can you make this "stick"?
I could ... I tend not to stick a thread just because it is currently doing well. If we had a way to collect the better threads of the forum, over time, into a well organized "library of greatest hits", this thread would be a candidate for that library. But, regrettably, we lack such a mechanism.

[Czarek]

I wonder if braking the dose into small portions throughout the day would help. So you would alter your schedual, say few days you do 1 tsp/day and few days you'd take a drop/hour throughout the day. I think Eligos would benefit from this.

How would I benefit from this?
I could see how taking MMS every hour (and it is the best way) would be good since it stays active for 2 hours in your body. On the other hand, turp takes 24+ hours to clear your body. Once a day is all you need in my opinion. I am very satisfied with my results thus far, actually amazed really.

I thing we have to stay on the cautious side when proceeding with the oral use of turpentine. If anything, big pharma has proven that fractionating the dose over 24hrs works best for majority of antibiotics and those do exactly what we all want to do here with turpentine. Unfortunately we don’t have a full picture of turpentine’s distribution once ingested. We do know that it stays around for about 24hrs, we know how it leaves... but we don’t know exactly how much of that time is spent in each particular area of human body. So how much time should turpentine spend “coating” our small bowel to get rid of the stubborn candida strains from there? And how about other parts of the body??? We know that at low doses, turpentine works well with other drugs to treat liver and kidney disorders. However at high doses, turpentine is bad for kidneys and liver. I think the dose, the diet, duration of treatment and many other factors will have to be adjusted to each individual and hence my suggestion to Eligos for changing the treatment. I was under impression that you’ve been doing this for some time and despite positive results, there were other expectations that have not been met despite of taking 1tsp of turpentine/day for over a month.
I have to agree with the observation above that doing the treatment for two weeks would be a good target to start. Our bodies have amazing capability to deal with things on their own provided you don’t disturb their natural mechanisms too often. Allow it to achieve equilibrium.

[mactiegre]

Hi. When I read this thread, it reminds me of my bad experience with DMSO, which is also a solvent made from trees. My wife and I both have pain from arthritis and regular medicine wasn't helping. My wife said her grand-father had severe Rheumatoid arthritis and traveled to Mexico often for treatment with DMSO. I was against it but she talked me into it and the only danger I could find in research was lab animals had eye problems. I had pain in my knees and hands, and my wife had severe pain in her shoulders. We obtained the DMSO from a store that sold it for horses as it is not approved by FDA for human use and applied it to the skin. It seemed to work for a while but in less than 2 years, both I and my wife experienced eye problems. I had Partial Vitreous Detachments (PVD) in both eyes which put me at higher risk of Retina Tears, and my wife had PVDs in both eyes and 2 retina tears. The DMSO gets absorbed into the blood stream directly thru the skin because the solvent molecules are so small.

I do not know if the DMSO usage actually caused our eye problems, but I claim the connection.

I do not know if this could be caused by the use of turpentine on sugar cubes, but just be very careful with this stuff.

I eventually found the Yahoo group for arthritis called [rheumatic] and began self-medicating with low-dose Minomycin and Celebrex and have had good results for over 4 years.

http://www.dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm

[Eligos]

I see no problem in erring on the side of caution. In fact, if anyone read my testimonial on page 1, I advised everyone on not following my advice and that MY dosage was mine alone. Anyone doing this protocol is in uncharted waters unless they follow Dr Daniels's which has a proven track record. I chose to modify it and so I stand alone. I'm in this fight to win. I will continue to update my progress as to the duration and dosage and once again, don't follow me but be at my side. Some great scientists took incredible leaps of faith to bring us the scientific discoveries we have today.

[sigma6]

Paul,avalonians,

I am a classic homeopath & some more,

Some advice: use this turpentine stuff no longer than 2 weeks.
sensitive people may get symptoms they never had before.
Two weeks is more than enough to clean your body,given time.
Kero(sine) is not in this league and let that alone!
There are other remedies to considder: Thuya, pix liquida, all with their own
pathology.
For more info on all ,try googling :name of remedy and homeopathic
One can also find : Hpathy, and find the remedies (is a site run by George Vithoulkas
one of the very best homeopaths living........................
I ask of you not to be heroes..........................and disapear over the horizon.

Old Snake

Need advice? pm me.

Paul can you make this "stick"?

Thanks for the vote of caution... and I like Eligos' line "I see no problem in erring on the side of caution." LOL... It kinda made me laugh.... the obviousness of it...
Yeah... I don't see the point in over doing it... never a big fan of creating unnecessary risk... it's just not good karma...
And the protocol is spelled out... if it's not broken don't fix it...
I don't see the need to overdo it either... I just want to kill these little bast****s and be done with it... and mactiegre makes a good point... the human body is way to complex to pretend you can predict every outcome. MODERATION in all things... that is a 2000 year old saying, we aren't kids eating halloween candy.
I like to treat all drugs, herbs, medicinals with respect and caution that they deserve.
OVER estimate, don't under estimate... In fact everyone who seems experienced talks about being conservative...
If only to avoid over detoxifying your system from the die off alone...
which apparently is the biggest issue it seems


Here's a couple of vids I just watched very insightful... a 'crazy Canuck' and a Dr doing a webinar on Candida with some very interesting pictures...
After watching and reading some more I think I will just be going straight to Canadian Tire... but I would like to get something that was closer to heptane, theres a big difference between a PB of 98 and 170

Dr admitting in a medical webinar.... conventional pharmaceuticals don't work on patients taking their crap for over a year,


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He shows you how he mixes it and takes it... it's not a lot at all...
runs down all the cures pretty much what we covered...
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[Old Snake]

sigma6,all,

I can sugest after 2weeks of the use of turpentine,wich name in homeopaty
is terebentina,just wait 4weeks,than take once a dosis of therebentina LM 6,for
asisting your body in getting rid of the rest of the pathogens.

A dose of the remedy= one pill or some granules.

Old Snake.

B.t.w. For world travelers: 1 dose of the same can strengthen you,work as a profilactic, against some nasty african diseases.

[Eligos]

Just two things sigma6,

"If only to avoid over detoxifying your system from the die off alone...
which apparently is the biggest issue it seems"

Actually, Dr Daniel's states in her "Candida cure" book that in effect their doesn't seem to be any die off at all, rather the Candida just exits out in a hurry. I have never experienced any die off of any kind at the dosage I am taking.

The other thing is Pantallersco the herbalist in his youtube video that you posted, commented in the comments section (I read them all) that several weeks back he had been on turp for 2 months straight. His dose might be a little less than what I am taking. It's hard to say because he uses the cap on the turp can to measure it and he uses honey.

He has 466 comments as of right now.
Here is the link to his channel : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ZPpaGmOw0&feature=c4-overview&list=UU-MiH6o8Q_iIhlTMQm9syxg

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Have you had any negative side effects at all Eligos, I ask because you are the most experienced of this crowd at this particular time, so far there has been nothing truly noteworthy negative for me and I have been playing around a bit but decided just to go more moderate two days ago, just one teaspoon a day, seems to be plenty good enough.

[Eligos]

Hey 778, no, absolutely no side effects whatsoever at 1 tsp/day for me. I know I still have some persistent critters because I still have my athletes foot between 2 toes on my right foot. Sure I could put some GSE (grapefruit seed extract) on it twice a day for a week and it would go away but it would eventually return. I want the turp to get rid of it but using the internal route. When the internal terrain is balanced so will the external.

[minkton]

Tony Pantalleresco is a star, I trust him and would recommend all that like to care for health intelligently to check out his videos and subscribe to his channel.

[Eligos]

Tony Pantalleresco is a star, I trust him and would recommend all that like to care for health intelligently to check out his videos and subscribe to his channel.

Yeah I like that crazy Canuck!

[Eram]

Ehm,

Just a thought...

If this turpentine is a solvent that dissolves fatty substances like liver stones etc., what does it do to the fat in the brain?
Has anyone read a comment on that?


I finally ordered the right (biological) 100% pure gum turpentine btw.
Thanks for the address 778 neighbour :thumb:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Ehm,

Just a thought...

If this turpentine is a solvent that dissolves fatty substances like liver stones etc., what does it do to the fat in the brain?
Has anyone read a comment on that?


I finally ordered the right (biological) 100% pure gum turpentine btw.
Thanks for the address 778 neighbour :thumb:

No problem Eram,

the brain issue is a good question btw, let's ask a Vulcan, I'd think he'd say we're doing the mind melt thing all wrong.

The dear doctor didn't address that issue in her paper, so she didn't think of it or its not an issue I suppose, on the other hand, medical errors have been made by the billions by 100.000s of doctors who didn't think of things beforehand so the question stands, ever met a house painter in his 60's?

[Eligos]

Well Pure Turpentine is close to Heptane in molecular weight. Heptane is an alcohol. What do you think happens when someone drinks a half bottle of vodka or even the whole bottle? Vodka is Ethanol and Ethanol is also a solvent. It's weird how most people won't think twice about drinking a half bottle of vodka but 1 tsp of turpentine, thats another story.;)

[Eram]

Well Pure Turpentine is close to Heptane in molecular weight. Heptane is an alcohol. [...]
Sometimes, all it takes for a molecule or atom to change into poisonous substance is one electron more or less, so the fact that turpentine is close to alcohol does not say too much about the qualities that it has or that you automatically can compare it to alcohol when it comes to harming the brain.

There is such a thing as painters disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_solvent-induced_encephalopathy) (as 778 mentioned) and this is caused by solvents in the paints.

It's just a minor concern to me, since turpentine and the healing qualities that it has have a long history and there is enough information around that supports the the idea that it isn't harmful to the brain (in the amounts that one has to use), but stil, I would be more reassured if there was information out there from a study or something similar that confirms this.

[Octavusprime]

Much of the safety concerns with kerosene seem to be around inhalation and its effects on the brain. It may be that consumption allows the body to break it down into a usable form where as inhalation would put the substance directly into the bloodstream.

Been following this thread. The thought of drinking kerosene is both intriguing and frightening. Thanks for being the guinea pigs!!! :P


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[Eligos]

Well Pure Turpentine is close to Heptane in molecular weight. Heptane is an alcohol. [...]
Sometimes, all it takes for a molecule or atom to change into poisonous substance is one electron more or less, so the fact that turpentine is close to alcohol does not say too much about the qualities that it has or that you automatically can compare it to alcohol when it comes to harming the brain.

There is such a thing as painters disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_solvent-induced_encephalopathy) (as 778 mentioned) and this is caused by solvents in the paints.

It's just a minor concern to me, since turpentine and the healing qualities that it has have a long history and there is enough information around that supports the the idea that it isn't harmful to the brain (in the amounts that one has to use), but stil, I would be more reassured if there was information out there from a study or something similar that confirms this.

You are correct. Methanol (wood alcohol) is toxic in large quantities. Sodium and Chlorine as separate entities are poisonous but combined they form table salt.
Too much of anything will be toxic.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Much of the safety concerns with kerosene seem to be around inhalation and its effects on the brain. It may be that consumption allows the body to break it down into a usable form where as inhalation would put the substance directly into the bloodstream.

Been following this thread. The thought of drinking kerosene is both intriguing and frightening. Thanks for being the guinea pigs!!! :P


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We gulp turp, not kerosine;), the turp is an organic product, but yeah, ingesting it is somewhat weird, initially.

[skamandar]

Hi all I've been reading the thread from day 1
I did liver cleanse many times and I was on urine therapy and I felt the good efects from them both.
But I knew still there is some s..t happaning in my body. And I din't have the answer how to resolve it...
I feel I am putting great effort on preventing my body to collapse in pain and have some "normal" relatevely "comfortable" life.
So I decited to try terpentyne (maybe this is the missing part of the my good health equation).
I had some die off effects:
-from day one on terpentine (I put 10 drops on shugar) I felt uplifted immediately but after couple of hours felt so tired beyond being tired from candida (if candida is what makes me tired all the time... at least that is what you suspect here, probably just because you coppied and pasted somebody elses opinion from the net)
-I bacame pale and felt like poisoned - something was not right ...
I just want to share my own discoveries on how to eliminate ill effects (in case u have them).
Here it goes, use it If you want/need:
-espum salt - soak your feet in water and put a lot of it - I put like 300 grams
-mother of vinegar - eat it if you have. I guess if you don't - put natural vinegar in water and drink it.
I made combination of this 2 and it worked for me for less than 5 minutes.
And no I am not afraid to continue on terpentine, actually I think this may be IT (I really hope so).
Good luck to all with this experiment

[sigma6]

Hey 778, no, absolutely no side effects whatsoever at 1 tsp/day for me. I know I still have some persistent critters because I still have my athletes foot between 2 toes on my right foot. Sure I could put some GSE (grapefruit seed extract) on it twice a day for a week and it would go away but it would eventually return. I want the turp to get rid of it but using the internal route. When the internal terrain is balanced so will the external.

I would suggest hydrogen peroxide for both identifying the existence and location of, and killing parasites, funguses. They turn up as white foaming areas.... I have identified and killed off plenty of these attacks after coming home from a day of cleaning at the hospital. One such attack, on the back of my hand got out of control because I must have missed it. Wearing the glove and the sweat probably is how it got started (your hands sweat inside the rubber gloves and any germs inside will just thrive being literally pushed into your skin, because I could see a series of veins criss crossing the back of my hands right up to the glove line. Would never have even known it was there if I didn't rinse my hands occasionally with peroxide. When I put the H202 on it, it immediately flared up, a series of 'vein like' patterns, literally bubbling just beneath the surface of my skin. I had to keep applying the peroxide for a week before it finally went away.

[sigma6]

Well Pure Turpentine is close to Heptane in molecular weight. Heptane is an alcohol. [...]
Sometimes, all it takes for a molecule or atom to change into poisonous substance is one electron more or less, so the fact that turpentine is close to alcohol does not say too much about the qualities that it has or that you automatically can compare it to alcohol when it comes to harming the brain.

There is such a thing as painters disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_solvent-induced_encephalopathy) (as 778 mentioned) and this is caused by solvents in the paints.

It's just a minor concern to me, since turpentine and the healing qualities that it has have a long history and there is enough information around that supports the the idea that it isn't harmful to the brain (in the amounts that one has to use), but stil, I would be more reassured if there was information out there from a study or something similar that confirms this.

All the more reason to look at it for what it is... this is not a nutrient or vitamin or mineral that integrates into the body and builds health. It is a foreign substance, that has the ability to "pass through the system" It therefore has a systemic effect. This is not a body building nutrient that one should be taking daily as part of a nutrition program. It is a poison. Taken for a specific purpose to poison and kill specific equally foreign parasites.

I just got my 100% sap based, steam distilled turps btw. I took my first dose. I have a 1 ml dropper so can measure it to the ml... I took 1ml on a teaspoon of brown sugar (was all I had) it tasted like candy canes. And nothing happened. So I took another mil... nothing... Then I took 2 mor mils... waited a few minutes... still nothing... Rather disappointed, based on everything everyone else had... I decided to try 3 mils on yet another tspn of sugar All in all I had taken about 5 tspns of sugar, was not too happy about it... So for good measure I just took another tspn with a tablespoon of olive oil. I felt something very mild... good and left it at that.

Then I continued working at my computer when I it hit me and I had to go to the bathroom. In about a few hours, it had entirely made its way through my system and I was already dumping it. So it seemed to act more like a purge to me... I guess that maybe I'm not as bad as I thought because I have done a lot of UT and did go through a lot of cleansing back then. I remember stopping after my third cleanse didn't really turn up any more 'bits' (although I should test it one more time...) Anyhow this movement was very similar. After that rather extended evacuation I lay down listening to a C2C episode and fell asleep. I rarely do that... when I awoke, several hours had past and I even missed a class I was supposed to take. Very interesting... There was that initial good feeling, a little bit of clarity. Mostly nothing a good cleansing evacuation... and an interesting "dozing off" period. I will continue to take it, maybe 2, 3 mil depending daily, since any more and it just seems to dump right out.






Much of the safety concerns with kerosene seem to be around inhalation and its effects on the brain. It may be that consumption allows the body to break it down into a usable form where as inhalation would put the substance directly into the bloodstream.

Been following this thread. The thought of drinking kerosene is both intriguing and frightening. Thanks for being the guinea pigs!!! :P


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We gulp turp, not kerosine;), the turp is an organic product, but yeah, ingesting it is somewhat weird, initially.

Exactly that is what the bp is all about, apparently there are two ways to approach it, one is to find a low bp, that will apparently allow it to more easily penetrate the intestine and enter the blood stream...

update: which is why I am extremely interested to know more about, find heptane sources because I saw that bp for heptane was 98... However all the turpentine MSDSs I have seen to date show it to have a 'gravity' around 85 and a bp of 160+... and the CH numbers, I forget was something like C10H18 not the numbers Eligos gave for Heptane. C7H16 ...

... Where it will cleanse the blood. Higher PB will tend to stay in the intestine and cleanse the intestine. Tiredness I heard is a symptom of die off, especially if you get it after an application of some sort. Dr Daniels article states the Candida like to build a 'film' in the lower intestine, so that they are literally 'filtering' everything you eat first, which is of course depriving you... I definitely felt like that was happening to me... so I will continue to take it if only to kill off anything like that... But boy, I sure felt this run through system

[Eligos]

Thanks sigma6 but like I said, I just want the tinea pedis to go away on its own. In a way, it's acting like a barometer of sorts. As the internal improves the external follows.
The reason I have been taking a sustained dose of turp is that I want to break its reproductive cycle. I'm not going to let the little ....ers adapt and escape this time around. Hey, I may sound obsessed but it's really determination. I can see a lot of you have concerns and wonder what the heck to make of all this...cutting edge stuff is often born out of desperation and is not for everyone.

[sigma6]

Thanks sigma6 but like I said, I just want the tinea pedis to go away on its own. In a way, it's acting like a barometer of sorts. As the internal improves the external follows.
The reason I have been taking a sustained dose of turp is that I want to break its reproductive cycle. I'm not going to let the little ....ers adapt and escape this time around. Hey, I may sound obsessed but it's really determination. I can see a lot of you have concerns and wonder what the heck to make of all this...cutting edge stuff is often born out of desperation and is not for everyone.


Oh crap, lost my last post, was going to reput it here for chronological sake, anyhow was saying I worked around MSRA patients in isolation. Hospitals are notorious for strange diseases, so much that they have their own secret code word to "confuse" the public... They call it nosocomial infection. Germs specifically caused and originated from the hospital itself! Anyhow I had something growing out of control on my hand that I didn't even know was there until I rinsed with H202, then it stood out light night and day... a series of veins in my skin that followed up to the line where my glove would have been. I prefer not to wear gloves but just frequently wash my hands between clean-up for this very reason... If you get a germ inside a glove, the sweat and the pressure of the glove just push it right into your skin... Anyhow, normally I can clean eliminate "white spots" after a few rinses... including my gums, and skin etc... (don't know how people can live without this stuff...) But this was persistent, it was fighting against the peroxide! It was literally burning up underneath my skin, which is why I had to do it for over a week. Had I kept dousing it with peroxide, it would have burned the skin off where it had penetrated. I read that is what is happening btw. These organisms, cannot operate in an oxygen rich environment, on contact with the radical O, they literally burn up... so think about that... each tiny bubble is the result of an "oxidation" or "combustion of a germ or virus "burning up" .... anyhow also wanted to add, you might want to help it from the outside because the toe is at the extreme of the circulatory system. So although it would eventually work, and I agree it would definitely be the "proof" your entire system is clear... It also may be efficacious to simply reach it with your own hand... Just two different purposes... Also, and it goes without saying and I am sure that you most likely have, but cleaning any external debris from under the nail and between the nail and the sides is critical.. and peroxide will show you what you have missed...

[sigma6]

http://www.yourdictionary.com/turpentine

noun1. A thin volatile essential oil, C10H16, obtained by steam distillation or other means from the wood or exudate of certain pine trees and used as a paint thinner, solvent, and medicinally as a liniment. Also called oil of turpentine, spirit of turpentine.
2. The sticky mixture of resin and volatile oil from which turpentine is distilled.
3. A brownish-yellow resinous liquid obtained from the terebinth.
transitive verb tur·pen·tined, tur·pen·tin·ing, tur·pen·tines 1. To apply turpentine to or mix turpentine with.
2. To extract turpentine from (a tree).

this definition refers to a C10H16, again rechochems product I think is C10H18...

[Shannow]

Not off topic really...

Just not worth a thread of it's own IMO

https://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?A=ShowDocPartFrame&ID=7761&DocPartID=6875

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Update, bouncy, improved clarity, thrush almost gone, eat less feel better, more nutrition gets absorbed by ME now, body odor smells better ( fresh), woke up as a albino midget with ginger dreadlocks, peg leg and an eye patch, so far so good, to be continued.

[Eligos]

Tomorrow will mark 2 months of Turpentine at a dosage of 1tsp / day.
No real changes have taken place recently, no side effects of any kind to be reported. I take it only with white granulated sugar.
Tomorrow, I will commence the next phase of my experiment. The new dosage will be set at 1/2 tsp / day for 1 month.
Turns out, it's not so bad being the proverbial "Canary in the Coal mine" ;-)

[minkton]

Well Pure Turpentine is close to Heptane in molecular weight. Heptane is an alcohol. [...]
Sometimes, all it takes for a molecule or atom to change into poisonous substance is one electron more or less, so the fact that turpentine is close to alcohol does not say too much about the qualities that it has or that you automatically can compare it to alcohol when it comes to harming the brain.

There is such a thing as painters disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_solvent-induced_encephalopathy) (as 778 mentioned) and this is caused by solvents in the paints.

It's just a minor concern to me, since turpentine and the healing qualities that it has have a long history and there is enough information around that supports the the idea that it isn't harmful to the brain (in the amounts that one has to use), but stil, I would be more reassured if there was information out there from a study or something similar that confirms this.


The question about turps in the brain and painters disease'd be a good one to ask tony. There are heaps of questions in the comments on his video, he always answers.

[Eligos]

In response to Eram, studies unfortunately don't always paint a straight picture (pun intended). You are aware that studies coming from private companies and Medical Schools and governments are biased to the highest degree. Who funds the research? you know right?
Countless studies lately have been proven to be a pack of lies, the results most of the time are skewed, data is manipulated etc...
Also who would gain from such a study? How would anyone profit from this except us little people?
I'm glad we have at least the study from France, very well put together.

Minkton Tony is on my YouTube channel , I like his energy and knowledge too. But you know what? Tony is just a guy that does research just like us, he does't know everything. Although he speaks with authority (that's his style) it really just comes down to his opinion. The internet is now what most people use to do research. Fact is, some of us will just have to be the Guinea Pigs cause the info is pretty scarce.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Fact is, some of us will just have to be the Guinea Pigs cause the info is pretty scarce.

Hear ye, hear ye, sometimes you just have to roll the dice, take a chance, dive in at the deep end, yadayadayada and its true, very true, since MMS and liver cleanses, L arginine, apricot kernels ( b17), zappers, all surprised me big time, why not add another surprise, turpentine might just be the biggest unexpected surprise yet in my book, so far it seems to deliver what it says on the box ( Doctor Daniels paper and Eligo's testimony), thanks to Sigma6 we now all have an opportunity, if it wasn't for Sig, Eligo probably wouldn't have popped up to corroborate the story and share his progress.

[minkton]

eligos

Yeh, I know that Tony is just a guy. In fact he makes a point of saying that, to the extent that its on his t shirt a lot of the time.

Fact is, if you want to find out something, its great to share information with interested parties. Tony is party to a LOT of sharing. I mean he hears more stories than you could imagine, direct from first hand experiencers. Because taking health into your own hands is entirely his forte, its his specialism and has been for a long time. So he is a fantastic person to ask questions of, and to share findings with.

Ignoring resourceful and knowledgeable people isnt one of my hobbies... I love it when people share information freely and there is someone who I can ask questions of. Lord knows, its a very very very rare occurance afaic.

But sure, dont ask for his input if it cramps your sense of style.

[Eligos]

"But sure, dont ask for his input if it cramps your sense of style."

Lol, ok you caught me, I feel like Tony is steeling my thunder. :rolleyes:

[Eram]

In response to Eram, studies unfortunately don't always paint a straight picture (pun intended). You are aware that studies coming from private companies and Medical Schools and governments are biased to the highest degree. Who funds the research? you know right?
Countless studies lately have been proven to be a pack of lies, the results most of the time are skewed, data is manipulated

[snip]

I know.
In fact, I'm working on putting together a website to provide a "self service" road to alternative remedies, so people can start with their illness and work toward remedies that are healthy, natural, cost little and don't involve big pharma medicine that will get you no where.
The guy who is in charge of what sources are reliable is a homeopath, who is very scientific oriented and he knows all about the corruptness in the scientific study field.

For instance: There are "independent" scientific studies done that support the idea that homeopathy works, but magazines like "Nature" and "Science" just wont publish about it.

Sadly, the scientific field has been so corrupted by "big money" that about 95% can be dismissed as propaganda nowadays,.... But.... there are still valid scientific studies out there that are done by people with the best intentions and without the money behind it from people who have an interest in a certain outcome of that study.

Anyway, I'm just concerned about using the turp over a longer period (like years) and what it might do to the brain.
I'll surely use to see what it does on a short term when I finally receive my ordered can of pure turp.

and I will contact Tony minkton, thanks for the tip.

ps: your thunder is still intact Eligos ;)

[Eligos]

In response to Eram, studies unfortunately don't always paint a straight picture (pun intended). You are aware that studies coming from private companies and Medical Schools and governments are biased to the highest degree. Who funds the research? you know right?
Countless studies lately have been proven to be a pack of lies, the results most of the time are skewed, data is manipulated

[snip]

I know.
In fact, I'm working on putting together a website to provide a "self service" road to alternative remedies, so people can start with their illness and work toward remedies that are healthy, natural, cost little and don't involve big pharma medicine that will get you no where.
The guy who is in charge of what sources are reliable is a homeopath, who is very scientific oriented and he knows all about the corruptness in the scientific study field.

For instance: There are "independent" scientific studies done that support the idea that homeopathy works, but magazines like "Nature" and "Science" just wont publish about it.

Sadly, the scientific field has been so corrupted by "big money" that about 95% can be dismissed as propaganda nowadays,.... But.... there are still valid scientific studies out there that are done by people with the best intentions and without the money behind it from people who have an interest in a certain outcome of that study.

Anyway, I'm just concerned about using the turp over a longer period (like years) and what it might do to the brain.
I'll surely use to see what it does on a short term when I finally receive my ordered can of pure turp.

and I will contact Tony minkton, thanks for the tip.

ps: your thunder is still intact Eligos ;)

That is a worthy endeavour Eram, putting together a website for that purpose. Looking forward to seeing your progress on this.

[Benevolent Bear]

Curious if anyone has tried turpentine with liquid stevia? Stevia has 300 times the sweetness of sugar. I would think it would mix easily. Sugar can set off cravings like alcohol for those who have this concern.

[Eligos]

It would be great if everyone that is doing the Turp and reading this thread could just chime in and get counted. I have no idea how many we are.
Some individual updates, reasons why etc. would be nice too.

[Flash]

it is not the sugar and its craving that should be removed, if I am not mistaken, the reason for taking sugar is that it does help get the product into the Candida cells and into cancer cells as well. Both crave for sugar and will readily absorb it, therefore making the medication taken very potent. Stevia would not have the same effect into carrying the product into the cell. Well, I have not verified this, but to me, it makes sense. The traditional diet for candida reduction is to cut sugar because sugar helps their growth, the cancida cells being hungry for it. Same with cancer, you either take real sugar sweet (which stevia is not) with any product suggested in alternative medecine, such as baking soda, to get it into the cell (honey, maple syrup or sugar will make it because they are composed of sugar in its pretty much pure form).

[Benevolent Bear]

it is not the sugar and its craving that should be removed, if I am not mistaken, the reason for taking sugar is that it does help get the product into the Candida cells and into cancer cells as well. Both crave for sugar and will readily absorb it, therefore making the medication taken very potent. Stevia would not have the same effect into carrying the product into the cell. Well, I have not verified this, but to me, it makes sense. The traditional diet for candida reduction is to cut sugar because sugar helps their growth, the cancida cells being hungry for it. Same with cancer, you either take real sugar sweet (which stevia is not) with any product suggested in alternative medecine, such as baking soda, to get it into the cell (honey, maple syrup or sugar will make it because they are composed of sugar in its pretty much pure form).

Thanks Flash, makes sense to me! I appreciate the input. Maple syrup sounds like a good choice. I have raw honey on hand but the consistency is rather hard, not good for mixing. First step for me in a hot bath with turp, baby steps to me since I see (fatal if swallowed) LOL I mentioned this to my mother-in-law and she asked if on sugar cubes. She is almost eighty so this is nothing new for some folks.

[Eligos]

To all the newcomers, I'm sure I'm speaking for sigma6 on this, read the OP's (sigma6) original post, read Dr Daniels book on Turp...all the how's and why's are in there. Skipping the OP's first post will just leave you with more questions unanswered.

[Benevolent Bear]

To all the newcomers, I'm sure I'm speaking for sigma6 on this, read the OP's (sigma6) original post, read Dr Daniels book on Turp...all the how's and why's are in there. Skipping the OP's first post will just leave you with more questions unanswered.

I have read the entire thread, watched videos, researched on other sites. Just caution on my part :) Thanks to all who have posted this information. I hope it continues with fantastic results for those partaking.

[conk]

It would be great if everyone that is doing the Turp and reading this thread could just chime in and get counted. I have no idea how many we are.
Some individual updates, reasons why etc. would be nice too.

I'm trying it. 1/4 tsp the first day. 1/2 tsp the next two days. The taste! Best to wait until bedtime and swallow it quickly on the back of the tongue. Will relay my experience in a while.

[Snowflower]

Lol. Ok, you got me. I read the last page of this thread and now must go back and start at the beginning to see what this is all about!

[Benevolent Bear]

I thought it interesting that the early FDA put a kibosh on this probably because he had some success and satisfied customers. It was probably the turpentine that made it most effective.

Clark Stanley billed himself as the “Rattlesnake King”, gathering crowds by killing rattlesnakes while delivering his miracle cure sales pitch. For 50 cents a bottle, you could cure your toothaches, neuralgia, ankle sprains and pretty much everything else that ailed you by using Stanley’s snake oil liniment.

Stanley kept making his magical promises – right up until the federal government seized one of his shipments in 1917 and tested it.

The ingredients (unlike the traditional Chinese sea snake oil that contained a high percentage of real sea snake fat that likely did provide some relief because of its high anti-inflammatory omega-3 fatty acid content) turned out to be about 99 percent mineral oil and 1 percent beef fat, with traces of red pepper and turpentine thrown in the mix to give it a more medicinal smell.

23214

http://ethicalnag.org/

[Snowflower]

ok, I have not read the 7 pages in between yet, but did go to the papers referenced and read all of it, and am going to take the 5 steps in the program recommended by Dr. Daniels. I'll report on results.

[Benevolent Bear]

Hot bath with 1 cup of baking soda and one teaspoon of turpentine. Irritation on my legs and arms. Tolerable. You can absorb through your skin, so this was the first step. I am a firm believer of naturopathic medicine. I take no prescription drugs. I see my naturopathic physician once a year. I am 62 and in relatively good health and would like to keep it that way. I am always willing to try something I think might work. It helps to have a support group when trying something new. What might work for you may not work for me and visa versa. Good luck!

[sigma6]

It would be great if everyone that is doing the Turp and reading this thread could just chime in and get counted. I have no idea how many we are.
Some individual updates, reasons why etc. would be nice too.

I'm trying it. 1/4 tsp the first day. 1/2 tsp the next two days. The taste! Best to wait until bedtime and swallow it quickly on the back of the tongue. Will relay my experience in a while.

Good idea, I did 3 or 4 tspns the first day, had a good 'evacuation' but just getting over a dull headache that I had for the last 4-5 days...

and to those who read all the posts... there are pdf docs provided on 4shared with instructions how to download... highly recommended...

update: I think it was post #39

[meat suit]

first teaspoon last night with white sugar, nice taste actually.....
nothing at all for an hour, then the very mildest headache for a while and mild funny sensation in the bowels like something is moving against the bowel walls.... lots of water with it all, very tired early, good night sleep ...
have yet to release a chocolate hostage...:-)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

So no chugging the stuff 778!!!


Good idea, I did 3 or 4 tspns the first day, had a good 'evacuation' but just getting over a dull headache that I had for the last 4-5 days...


You naughty boy;), get a grip on yourself will you;), drinking lots of water really helped me out.

Small update, I used to like Coke, ice cold from a glass bottle, yesterday I bought a small bottle, even BEFORE opening it I had a funny feeling about drinking it, that was odd, so, I opened the bottle and took a sip, I literally gagged and almost threw up as soon as it got in my mouth, I had to run to the sink and spit it out asap, a visiting friend asked me what was wrong, I said I didn't know and there might be something off with the Coke, she took a sip in turn and said the Coke tasted just fine to her, so there you go, the body literally revolts at the prospect of this crap the second it now recognizes something BAD is about to enter they system, even the texture and viscosity of the cola seemed to have changed to my current senses and taste, my conclusion, no more candida present with its craving for sugar and my body rejects the offensive substance at once, I'll keep taking the turp for a few more days, now I am munching down 1.1/2 cucumber and a bag of carrots, love em.

[Eligos]

Here are some PubMed articles supporting pine oils AKA Turpentine!


Antibacterial and antifungal activity of pinosylvin, a constituent of pine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15752644?report=abstract

[Advances in resveratrol studies]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19256329

[Efficiency of Siberian pine oil in complex treating of people ill with benign hypertension]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16739609

[Apoptosis and activity changes of telomerase induced by essential oil from pine needles in HepG2 cell line] AKA killing of liver cancer cells!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19112901

[Flash]

Eligos, kisses on both your cheeks and many thanks - it kills prostate cancer. I am going to see a friend of mine who had breast cancer this week end and her husband is now with lung cancer. I will talk about Turpentine showing the scientific article. I will probably use it too, for thyroid. Just remaining to a few research on revestarol. i just would not be able to convince them without science.

Here the abstract of one of the article http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20077416


Abstract
Differential effects of resveratrol and its naturally occurring methylether analogs on cell cycle and apoptosis in human androgen-responsive LNCaP cancer cells.
Stilbenes are phytoalexins that become activated when plants are stressed. These compounds exist in foods and are widely consumed. Resveratrol is a grape-derived stilbene, which possesses a wide range of health-promoting activities, including anticancer properties. Several other stilbenes structurally similar to resveratrol are also available in food, but their biological activities remain largely unknown. In this study, we compared the effects of resveratrol and its natural derivatives pterostilbene, trans-resveratrol trimethylether, trans-pinostilbene and trans-desoxyrhapontigenin on androgen-responsive human prostate cancer LNCaP cells. We found that these compounds exert differential effects on LNCaP cell growth, cell cycle and apoptosis. Trans-resveratrol trimethylether appeared to be the most potent compound among the stilbenes tested. Treatment of LNCaP cells with trans-resveratrol trimethylether resulted in G2/M blockage while other compounds, including resveratrol, induced G1/S arrest. Moreover, different from other compounds, trans-resveratrol trimethylether induced apoptosis. At the molecular level, the effects of these compounds on cell cycle correlated with induction of the cyclin-dependent kinase inhibitor 1A and B mRNA levels. Additionally, these compounds also inhibited both androgen- as well as estrogen-mediated pathways. These results provide mechanistic information on how resveratrol and its methylether analogs may act to contribute to potential antiprostate cancer activity

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19256329

Advances in resveratrol studies].
[Article in Chinese]
Han J, Liu W, Bi Y.
Source

College of Life Science, Shandong Normal University, Jinan 250014, China.
Abstract

Resveratrol is a naturally occurring stilbene, a kind of polyphenolic compounds, found in a limited number of plant species such as grape, peanut, and pine. It has been considered as a phytoalexin in plants, and many studies have also shown its health benefits such as antioxidant activities, cancer prevention, blood thinning, and life span extension. This paper reviews the characteristics of resveratrol in aspects of synthesis, extraction, purification, and determination. In particular, the new outcomes of physiology function and the transgenic approaches have been presented. The challenges and chances for genetic engineering and health-related industries were also discussed.

[Snowflower]

My trips into town are necessarily limited these days by the flooded highway, but I'll be going in next Tuesday, and will be purchasing some turpentine. My dog has a lump about the size of my fist on his ribcage. I'm assuming it is bone cancer, since I've had three previous dogs die from bone cancer (a problem with labs.) So, I'll be starting him on the turpentine the same day I start myself. We'll see what happens to that lump.

[Flash]

In that medical journal provided by Eligos, I also found a product effective for thyroid cancer. You may just have saved my thyroid gland Eligos.


Shikonin Inhibits Thyroid Cancer Cell Growth and Invasiveness through Targeting Major Signaling Pathways.
Yang Q, Ji M, Guan H, Shi B, Hou P.
Source

Department of Endocrinology (Q.Y., B.Y., P.H.), The First Affiliated Hospital of Xi'an Jiaotong University School of Medicine, Xi'an 710061, the People's Republic of China; Center for Translational Medicine (M.J.), The First Affiliated Hospital of Xi'an Jiaotong University School of Medicine, Xi'an 710061, the People's Republic of China; Central Department of Endocrinology and Metabolism (H.G.), The First Affiliated Hospital of China Medical University, Shenyang 110001, the People's Republic of China.
Abstract

Context:Shikonin, which is an active naphthoquinone isolated from traditional Chinese herbal medicine Zi Cao, has been recently developed to use as an antitumor agent in colorectal cancer, melanoma, leukemia, breast cancer, and hepatocellular cancer. However, its antitumor effect in thyroid cancer remains largely unknown.Objectives:The aim of the study was to test the therapeutic potential of shikonin for thyroid cancer and explore the mechanisms underlying antitumor effects of shikonin.Experimental Design:We examined the effects of shikonin on proliferation, cell cycle, apoptosis, migration, invasion and xenograft tumor growth in thyroid cancer cells and the effect of shikonin on proliferation of primary thyroid cancer cells.Results:Shikonin inhibited thyroid cancer cell proliferation in a dose- and time-dependent manner and induced cell cycle arrest. Moreover, shikonin induced cell apoptosis through reactive oxygen species (ROS)-mediated DNA damage and the activation of p53 signaling pathway. Our data also showed that shikonin dramatically inhibited thyroid cancer cell migration and invasion by suppressing epithelial-mesenchymal transition (EMT) and downregulating expression of Slug, MMP-2, -9 and -14. Further elucidation of the mechanisms involved revealed that shikonin markedly repressed the phosphorylation of Erk and Akt, and activated the p16/Rb pathway in thyroid cancer cells. Growth of xenograft tumors derived from thyroid cancer cell line FTC133 in nude mice was significantly inhibited by shikonin. Importantly, we did not find the effect of shikonin on liver function in mice.Conclusion:We for the first time demonstrated that shikonin is a potentially effective antitumor agent for thyroid cancers.

[Eligos]

Added a new link, also kills liver cancer cells!

Flash, huggs and kisses back!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

My trips into town are necessarily limited these days by the flooded highway, but I'll be going in next Tuesday, and will be purchasing some turpentine. My dog has a lump about the size of my fist on his ribcage. I'm assuming it is bone cancer, since I've had three previous dogs die from bone cancer (a problem with labs.) So, I'll be starting him on the turpentine the same day I start myself. We'll see what happens to that lump.

Make sure to buy the RIGHT turpentine, organic GUM turpentine, I wish both of you the best of luck with the turpentine, may your dog be well again asap.

[Eligos]

Biosynthesis of the Major Tetrahydroxystilbenes in Spruce, Astringin and Isorhapontin, Proceeds via Resveratrol and Is Enhanced by Fungal Infection

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3192583/

[Eligos]

In that medical journal provided by Eligos, I also found a product effective for thyroid cancer. You may just have saved my thyroid gland Eligos.


Shikonin Inhibits Thyroid Cancer Cell Growth and Invasiveness through Targeting Major Signaling Pathways.
Yang Q, Ji M, Guan H, Shi B, Hou P.
Source

Department of Endocrinology (Q.Y., B.Y., P.H.), The First Affiliated Hospital of Xi'an Jiaotong University School of Medicine, Xi'an 710061, the People's Republic of China; Center for Translational Medicine (M.J.), The First Affiliated Hospital of Xi'an Jiaotong University School of Medicine, Xi'an 710061, the People's Republic of China; Central Department of Endocrinology and Metabolism (H.G.), The First Affiliated Hospital of China Medical University, Shenyang 110001, the People's Republic of China.
Abstract

Context:Shikonin, which is an active naphthoquinone isolated from traditional Chinese herbal medicine Zi Cao, has been recently developed to use as an antitumor agent in colorectal cancer, melanoma, leukemia, breast cancer, and hepatocellular cancer. However, its antitumor effect in thyroid cancer remains largely unknown.Objectives:The aim of the study was to test the therapeutic potential of shikonin for thyroid cancer and explore the mechanisms underlying antitumor effects of shikonin.Experimental Design:We examined the effects of shikonin on proliferation, cell cycle, apoptosis, migration, invasion and xenograft tumor growth in thyroid cancer cells and the effect of shikonin on proliferation of primary thyroid cancer cells.Results:Shikonin inhibited thyroid cancer cell proliferation in a dose- and time-dependent manner and induced cell cycle arrest. Moreover, shikonin induced cell apoptosis through reactive oxygen species (ROS)-mediated DNA damage and the activation of p53 signaling pathway. Our data also showed that shikonin dramatically inhibited thyroid cancer cell migration and invasion by suppressing epithelial-mesenchymal transition (EMT) and downregulating expression of Slug, MMP-2, -9 and -14. Further elucidation of the mechanisms involved revealed that shikonin markedly repressed the phosphorylation of Erk and Akt, and activated the p16/Rb pathway in thyroid cancer cells. Growth of xenograft tumors derived from thyroid cancer cell line FTC133 in nude mice was significantly inhibited by shikonin. Importantly, we did not find the effect of shikonin on liver function in mice.Conclusion:We for the first time demonstrated that shikonin is a potentially effective antitumor agent for thyroid cancers.


I hope you are already taking Lugol's iodine. You read dr Brownstein's book?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Biosynthesis of the Major Tetrahydroxystilbenes in Spruce, Astringin and Isorhapontin, Proceeds via Resveratrol and Is Enhanced by Fungal Infection

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3192583/

Highly technical study, here is the conclusion, its readable by everyone.


CONCLUSION.

This study demonstrated that spruce STS enzymes, although only making resveratrol as their intermediate product, still contribute to the formation of the major tetrahydroxylated stilbenes in the tree. It could also be shown that fungal infection induced the tree to produce higher levels of STS transcript and tetrahydroxylated stilbene glycosides and that these compounds have antifungal activity. However, additional research is needed to understand what factors limit stilbene accumulation in both healthy and fungally infected spruce, as stilbene formation may be adjusted to different levels depending on the species of pathogen, the degree of infection, and the presence of other biotic and abiotic stresses. In addition, further investigation is required to determine whether any of the other roles proposed for stilbenes in plants (e.g. antiherbivore protection, allelopathy, and resistance to oxidative stress) can be supported. The ability to manipulate stilbene concentrations independently of other factors, as in the transgenic spruce lines described here, will be valuable in pursuing such work

[meat suit]

it would be interesting to distill some turpentine from 'larch', having very high fungal resistence... much more so than spruce...
I have actually tried a few drops of larch sap in the last few days at work... tastes like potent stuff....

[Flash]

Eligos, i react badly to lugol iodine (real hyperactive behavior). I will treat the cysts and then supplement.

FOR ALL THOSE ON TURPENTINE

OTHER MIRACLES OF IT


Resveratrol: From Basic Studies to Bedside.
Borriello A, Bencivenga D, Caldarelli I, Tramontano A, Borgia A, Zappia V, Della Ragione F.
Source

Department of Biochemistry, Biophysics and General Pathology, Second University of Naples, Via De Crecchio 7, 80138, Naples, Italy.
Abstract

Plants produce a remarkable amount of low molecular mass natural products endowed with a large array of pivotal biological activities. Among these molecules, resveratrol (3,5,4'-trihydroxystilbene) has been identified as an important modulator of cell phenotype with a complex and pleiotropic mode of action. Extensive literature regarding its activity, mainly employing cellular models, suggests that this polyphenol controls cell proliferation, induces differentiation, and activates apoptosis and autophagy. The compound also modulates angiogenesis and inflammation. Similarly, studies on implanted cancers and chemical-induced tumors confirm the potential chemotherapeutical interest of the compound. Likewise, several reports clearly demonstrated, in animal models, that the compound might positively affect the development and evolution of chronic diseases including type 2 diabetes, obesity, coronary heart disease, metabolic syndrome, and neurogenerative pathologies. Finally, a number of investigations stated that the toxicity of the molecule is scarce. Despite these promising observations, few clinical trials have yet been performed to evaluate the effectiveness of the molecule both in prevention and treatment of human chronic disease. Preliminary findings therefore suggest the need for more extensive clinical investigations.

PMID:
24114480
[PubMed - as supplied by publisher] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24114480

[Eram]

Eligos, i react badly to lugol iodine (real hyperactive behavior). I will treat the cysts and then supplement.

You might want to consider the doses that you took Flash.
Iodine is good for everyone (we need it badly) and most people have a severe deficit of iodine.

My girlfriend took 1 drop of 7% iodine for three days and got the same symptoms that you reported in the H&N thread.
Then we lowered the dosage to 1/30th (850 micrograms) of the 1 drop per day (which is exactly what Weston Price advocates).

And if it is really the Lugol that you react to, you might want to look into detoxified iodine. The one that Edgar Cayce recommended to more then half of all his clients.
It goes bye the names of:

detoxified iodine
atomodine
hmm... I forgot the third name


Anyway, it's a more refined iodine which is more easily absorbed by the body system.

Your condition considered, It would surprise me if you have enough iodine in your system. :)



On topic:

I received my 1/2 litre of aquamarine Turp yesterday and will take the first teaspoon on white sugar in the evening.

little nervous to be honest :P

[Eligos]

Eligos, i react badly to lugol iodine (real hyperactive behavior). I will treat the cysts and then supplement.

You might want to consider the doses that you took Flash.
Iodine is good for everyone (we need it badly) and most people have a severe deficit of iodine.



My girlfriend took 1 drop of 7% iodine for three days and got the same symptoms that you reported in the H&N thread.
Then we lowered the dosage to 1/30th (850 micrograms) of the 1 drop per day (which is exactly what Weston Price advocates).

And if it is really the Lugol that you react to, you might want to look into detoxified iodine. The one that Edgar Cayce recommended to more then half of all his clients.
It goes bye the names of:

detoxified iodine
atomodine
hmm... I forgot the third name


Anyway, it's a more refined iodine which is more easily absorbed by the body system.

Your condition considered, It would surprise me if you have enough iodine in your system. :)



On topic:

I received my 1/2 litre of aquamarine Turp yesterday and will take the first teaspoon on white sugar in the evening.

little nervous to be honest :P

Totally agree with the iodine, dose dependent.

Don't be nervous, it's all worth it. Wait and see how your mind just clears up.

[Flash]

My trips into town are necessarily limited these days by the flooded highway, but I'll be going in next Tuesday, and will be purchasing some turpentine. My dog has a lump about the size of my fist on his ribcage. I'm assuming it is bone cancer, since I've had three previous dogs die from bone cancer (a problem with labs.) So, I'll be starting him on the turpentine the same day I start myself. We'll see what happens to that lump.

Make sure to buy the RIGHT turpentine, organic GUM turpentine, I wish both of you the best of luck with the turpentine, may your dog be well again asap.

Completely true, some turpentine are derived from petroleum products. I would not use them, therefore I would not use Canadian tire turpentine. Make sure it is derived from pine tree, and not all of them, precise pine trees, cause ponderosa pine also produce a highly toxic by product.

[Eligos]

My trips into town are necessarily limited these days by the flooded highway, but I'll be going in next Tuesday, and will be purchasing some turpentine. My dog has a lump about the size of my fist on his ribcage. I'm assuming it is bone cancer, since I've had three previous dogs die from bone cancer (a problem with labs.) So, I'll be starting him on the turpentine the same day I start myself. We'll see what happens to that lump.



Make sure to buy the RIGHT turpentine, organic GUM turpentine, I wish both of you the best of luck with the turpentine, may your dog be well again asap.

Completely true, some turpentine are derived from petroleum products. I would not use them, therefore I would not use Canadian tire turpentine. Make sure it is derived from pine tree, and not all of them, precise pine trees, cause ponderosa pine also produce a highly toxic by product.

Just to be clear Flash, the Recochem turpentine from Canadian Tire is NOT petroleum based. It is pure Turpentine derived from balsam fir. Same exact brand Tony (that we are all fond of) uses. Watch his video on the first page.

https://www.acklandsgrainger.com/AGIPortalWeb/WebSource/ProductDisplay/globalProductDetailDisplay.do?item_code=RCD13-301

[Hervé]

The trick from manufacturers is to invoke the name "Turpentine" as part of a mix with pretroleum products. So, one needs to check the label to see if it's made "with" turpentine or if it's just pure unadulterated turpentine.

Turpentine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine) is the name of a very specific product distilled from conifers' sap (gum). If the product is not made 100% of sap distillation it cannot be called "Turpentine" unless fraudulently.

[sigma6]

So no chugging the stuff 778!!!


Good idea, I did 3 or 4 tspns the first day, had a good 'evacuation' but just getting over a dull headache that I had for the last 4-5 days...


You naughty boy;), get a grip on yourself will you;), drinking lots of water really helped me out.

Small update, I used to like Coke, ice cold from a glass bottle, yesterday I bought a small bottle, even BEFORE opening it I had a funny feeling about drinking it, that was odd, so, I opened the bottle and took a sip, I literally gagged and almost threw up as soon as it got in my mouth, I had to run to the sink and spit it out asap, a visiting friend asked me what was wrong, I said I didn't know and there might be something off with the Coke, she took a sip in turn and said the Coke tasted just fine to her, so there you go, the body literally revolts at the prospect of this crap the second it now recognizes something BAD is about to enter they system, even the texture and viscosity of the cola seemed to have changed to my current senses and taste, my conclusion, no more candida present with its craving for sugar and my body rejects the offensive substance at once, I'll keep taking the turp for a few more days, now I am munching down 1.1/2 cucumber and a bag of carrots, love em.

Awesome, kudos for being able to take such a "hardline US militaristic approach" ... it looks like your 'scorched earth policy' worked just lucky you didn't blow up the whole 'battlefield earth platform' (LOL)

but seriously, I think some of what you did has a kind of merit, given your feedback, a full on attack, if you can stomach it, (and have clear channels again for eliminating! obviously can't stress that enough) makes sense when your dealing with these critters, Dr Daniels says they are so tricky because they can exist as yeast, and fungi and spores... so this is like having lice, clean down everything... wash and dry yourself on the outside, wash and clean your living space of any mold and mildew, check your food for yeast sources, bread, beer, wine, cheese, etc... that kind of thing... if you're going to 'suffer' might as well make it worth it...

thanks for a very insightful post 778, it sounds like you have really nipped this in the bud, I would do a conservative maintenance dosage (as mopping up exercise) just like they say to do with anti-biotics, but it does sound like you have totally killed it off?!!! Congratulations... and you sound like you are having a completely new experience? very cool... hmm... I have to admit, come to think of it, I also remember feeling something inside my bowels, like a portion of my stomach, that I could feel was "tingling" as I lay in bed... it was weird to feel that 'inside' me... re; bad coke taste... I remember having a similar experience once, after being on meat fast, fairly successfully, and then I grabbed a slice of cooked ham and when I put it in my mouth, I could taste that it was a dead animal very clearly and it grossed me out, and I am a voracious meat eater... I also had a similar experience while on UT, when you do that, it's like you are giving your body the information, and it knows what to do, if you ate crap (processed flour, sugar, canola oil, etc.) your body will just dump it... like no tomorrow... anyhow good for you... btw my headache is finally gone today... I am going to take 1... maybe 2 tsp today... (before I develop a negative association and get too afraid to do it, and headaches will do that!) keep posting...

[sigma6]

The trick from manufacturers is to invoke the name "Turpentine" as part of a mix with pretroleum products. So, one needs to check the label to see if it's made "with" turpentine or if it's just pure unadulterated turpentine.

Turpentine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine) is the name of a very specific product distilled from conifers' sap (gum). If the product is not made 100% of sap distillation it cannot be called "Turpentine" unless fraudulently.

I would say that pure gum turpentine can come from distillation of sap or wood stumps, etc... as long as everything distilled ultimately came from only pine tree sources, but that could include pine wood, pine stumps, pine pulp, I think it has to specifically say "distilled from sap" somewhere... because one company did say there may be a tiny percentage of other "plants" (which sounds like they are distilling it from mulched pulp or something where they can't control if it is 100% pine going in for example...)

Would be nice if the label said "100% pure gum spirits of turpentine from sap", but don't hold your breath... I don't think the market is that big (yet)... and technically that still doesn't elucidate the method of distillation... although I would make the assumption if they have gone as far as acquiring the sap directly by tapping the tree in their process that it would behoove them to use a steam distillation to maintain the quality of what they got, i.e. what could be a 'potentially medical' grade of turpentine. I think they have industrial, scientific and medical? (not 100% on that...)

Again, if you want to be 'technical', you can get sap by chemical methods on the wood, pulp, etc or by tapping... although I believe that it should be 'understood' if say distilled from pure sap, they are inferring that they are tapping, but use your own discernment... there are a lot of corrupt operators, Diamond G did tell me they collect sap from trees in an environmentally sustainable process, for what it's worth...


update: and I do remember specifically on one of the pure gum spirits turpentine if you look at the MSDS sheet it says 95-100% pure turpentine, and that when I asked about that he said although it is 100% all plant based "turpenes" but it might not be exactly 100% pine. I remember asking this because I noticed their label was "pure gum spirits" and I was curious why it didn't say "100% pure gum spirits"... and again even if it says 100% pure gum spirits, that does not say anything about HOW the sap (mulching or tapping) was extracted or how it was distilled into the thicker turpentine spirit (chemical or steam)... that definition could be outdated and applicable 50, 100 years ago...

[Peace4all]

Question for everyone taking the turpentine..What kind of results have we seen so far?
Any negatives or positives?
I bought the "Canadian Tire" version the reochem about a week ago.. but to be honest I am still skeptical of trying this... You guys think the reochem is good enough quality??
I have been following this thread since day 1 and have read it all.
If i do follow through with it I will follow Dr. Daniels guidelines.. Did all of you follow the guideline posted Eg. Having at least 3 bowel movement a day.. and the strict diet plan?
I know many have said oh I feel much more clear now... but just curious if there are any other positive benefits you have noticed. Thanks

[sigma6]

To be honest I didn't do it strictly, because I don't have a problem going to the 'washroom' especially if I take something that 'disagrees' with me... I think if you have any doubt Dr Daniels is definitely the way to go... She is a Harvard Grad, that gave up the money and wealth to share this... (bless her, and good enough for me...)

but I did read her report, it's an easy read, and I calculated in my mind what the relative "danger level" dosage was... basically 5g per 1 Kilo will kill 50% of rats... So if you think about it 500g (approx 2 cups) is what you would need to kill 50% of humans that weigh 100 Kg (approx 220 lbs) (everything else being equal) If you can put that into perspective, you will realize, that would be like drinking more then a 16 oz glass of turpentine... and even then your chances are 50/50 (lol... warning please do not try this!...)

btw I just took 5 ml dripped 1 ml at a time on 4 tspns of brown sugar (I forgot how much I actually took the first time but it was definitely way more, cause I did an additional pure tspn! (that would have to be 3-5mls!) and also one in a tbsp of olive oil...) So I am kinda doing it the way I cook.... by eye, and by 'taste'...

For my American friends (who don't 'get' the metric system, and I am not blaming you! (lol))
That said, for me, I needed to get that LD50 rating clearly calculated into a number that would make sense to me, so 500g (2 cups approx) on a 100 Kilo (220 lb) would kill you 50% of the time, based on 5000-6000 mg (or 5-6g) doses per 1 Kilo (2.2 lb) of Rat. (anyone can feel free to check my math there... never say never!)

i.e. therefore I have just taken less then 1/100th of what would be considered a 50/50 lethal dose... so is there a risk sure... somewhere, but it must be practically, physically (based on how I feel) and mathematically infinitesimal... in fact I feel like James Brown right now! (lol... I think there is a tiny tinge of 'eurphoria'... ; )

re: rechochem, Eligos is taking that... and he is happy with it... I never got to buying it because mine came in the mail, but I may consider getting my next batch there, because sadly they charge an arm and a leg to mail liquid flammables from the States... ;( So although I don't think it is the "best" I don't think, at the limited and controlled quantities we are taking it for defined periods of time (more or less) based on the LD50, there is a problem. I think I put up the MSDS on recochem on my 4shared folder too... and I would like to compare "odours" like people are talking about... I will also say, this stuff I got is in a clear glass bottle, looks 100% clear and smells heavenly... kind of like mild minty, mothballs, an almost edible spice smell... very, very mild smell too, like I have to take a huge whiff to get a decent sniff out of it... ie. it seems to be very stable? It will absorb easily into your skin, can't think of anything else to say here...

And so far with the 4 tspns I just took right now, I don't feel anything major (yet) (10-15 min) maybe I feel some refreshing aftertaste, I do feel good, but that could just because of how I feel about doing something cleansing for myself... kinda of 'balanced' 'calm' (again that is subjective thing... )

hope that helps

update:
about 4 hours later... same thing huge 'evac'... this stuff really flys through me... I wonder if it is this and the combination of distilled water?... so for me, right now, it seems to be a pretty good laxative, bowel cleanse...

[schneider]

I'm still taking two droppers early morning when I wake up. I am surprised that my body smells so much better. I no longer have the intense reaction in my intestines and liver when I first started. I do have a sinus infection and ear ache with lots of post nasal drip. It could be part of the cleansing.

[sigma6]

I'm still taking two droppers early morning when I wake up. I am surprised that my body smells so much better. I no longer have the intense reaction in my intestines and liver when I first started. I do have a sinus infection and ear ache with lots of post nasal drip. It could be part of the cleansing.

Can I ask Schneider how old you are approx? (like can you give us a 10-15 year range?...) how healthy you are in general before taking? Approx weight? How long have you been taking it? And does your dropper have a measure on it? And are you taking it straight? or with anything? ... I ask because it does sound like your reactions are textbook perfect (imo)... i.e. you are getting positive significant results and negligible side effect... The sinus thing makes perfect sense... that is a very hard area to get at because it is technically "outside of your body" and like Eglios "toe" : O ...one of the last places to be reached, although I would suggest, if you can find one, get a netty pot (from drugstores...) and they come with a special blend of salt and sodium bicarbonate and you can rinse with that... it's does wonders... for your ears, I would suggest tiny drops of hydrogen peroxide... it does look like you are effecting something 'lurking there (sinus, ear) so good job for you!

update: the intestine thing I totally get, it' going straight to where they are 'hangin out' ... but you also mentioned your liver? how do you mean? like did you feel a soft tenderness in that area or pain? or something like that? ... thanks for your post btw... we need more candid feedbacks like yours...

it seems to me that everything I have read so far is nothing but positive reactions overall, after any initial 'shock' of the first few doses...

[Snowflower]

I just called Home Depot. They carry 100% pure gum spirits of turpentine. One quart costs $6.97. I learned from wikipedia that it is called "gum" only if it made from the sap of a live tree. Most turpentine is distilled out of wood used in the wood pulp industry, and that does not carry "gum" in the label.

[sigma6]

I don't know, I would certainly like to believe that, cause that would make everything a whole lot more simple, but that isn't consistent with the conversation I had... I talked to the one of the guys in Quebec... and they put me on to the "chemistry guy" and he said it was from tree stumps... can't remember which product exactly cause I called a few, pretty sure it was recochem.

It seems there is a difference of interpretation... I can't see the big companies going through the trouble necessarily either.... I will have to make a few more calls... Sometimes there is a technical definition, but legally there can be technical exceptions, personally I would go straight to the industry that makes/supplies it... try and get a hold of the MSDS for each product, and call the companies... as a legitimate consumer inquiring about one of their products...

[meat suit]

I am going to have a go making some turpentine... looks easy enough...
here is a bushcraft approach, there are 3 parts to the video, keep winding forward, he takes his time...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFYjJKehsaM

[Eligos]

To put a little perspective on things...
While we wonder if it's distilled from sap, steam distilled from wood, does it contain petroleum products in it, others in the less fortunate parts of the world - under government oppression, tyranny and poverty have these choices:

Abstract
A survey of 592 individuals, in four local government areas in the South East of Nigeria was carried out to determine the use of petroleum distillate products in treating common ailments. It was found that there was a high number of respondents (69%) using one or more of these toxic products in treating common ailments. Products commonly used topically and ingested include brake fluid (hydraulic fluid), kerosene, petrol, crude oil and engine oil. It is believed that the lack of affordable healthcare coupled with high illiteracy encourages the use of these products. It is suggested that the relevant Government agencies such as the Ministry of Health and the National Agency for Food and Drug Administration and Control (NAFDAC) be made aware of these findings in order to educate the populace on the dangers of these products.

Petroleum Distilates Use In Folk Medicine In South Eastern Nigeria

http://archive.ispub.com/journal/the-internet-journal-of-health/volume-11-number-1/petroleum-distilates-use-in-folk-medicine-in-south-eastern-nigeria.html

PS. I can't seem to find anywhere in this document proof that the people doing this actually harm themselves...interesting!!!

If I missed it, please correct me.

[Flash]

yes, but we have to be very careful when talking about people that are using folk medecine. Lots of it has done it proofs over centuries, but some are used only because of dire poverty and ignorance, such as could be the case with petroleum distillate.

I remember being in El Salvador, having my hands hurt and bleeding and having one of those nice campecino woman, nice but illiterate and very very poor, wanting to cure me with a very dirty filty feather soaked in old pork fat. This is a case of making your hands bleed more afterward to make sure nothing gets in. Or a nurse in Mexico who wipe the needle to inject me, with her dirty fingers (this one was not illiterate, but she probably was not a nurse either, just an assisant). she was insulted when I asked her to change the needle.

Petroleum distillate may be the only thing they have that at least does kill something, even if in the long run it is them. When your country has been decimated from all its nature, what is left?

[Eram]

Question for everyone taking the turpentine..What kind of results have we seen so far?
Any negatives or positives?
I bought the "Canadian Tire" version the reochem about a week ago.. but to be honest I am still skeptical of trying this... You guys think the reochem is good enough quality??
I have been following this thread since day 1 and have read it all.
If i do follow through with it I will follow Dr. Daniels guidelines.. Did all of you follow the guideline posted Eg. Having at least 3 bowel movement a day.. and the strict diet plan?
I know many have said oh I feel much more clear now... but just curious if there are any other positive benefits you have noticed. Thanks

Just woke up, early in the morning after one dose of turp yesterday evening and reporting my first impressions here.

There are a few observations that I find worthy of mentioning here:

breathing feels like I take in more air with less effort
mind feels crisp and clear
the bowel system is ever so slightly stimulated


The reason that I jumped on this turp was not for candida, because, even though I suffer from severe mercury symptoms, candida isn't one of them.
It was when I read about turp being able to end symptomes of restless leg syndrome and related symptoms.
Ever since I was a teenager, I've experienced troubles with my knees every now and then.
Today, I am recovering from a major inflammation in my left knee and at the same time trying to rebuild cartilage tissue in my right knee after it was inflamed for 5 months 3 years back.
Basically, I am half crippled at the moment, not able to run or play soccer with my little boy.

Since about 7 years, I'm aware of the fact that the energy flow in my legs isn't as it should be.
My girlfriend, who is a natural talent in the 6th sense field detected this shortly after we met and confirmed this many times through the years.
This is related to the inflammations in my knees, I'm sure.

For the past year, every time when I get up in the morning, my legs feel stiff and a little painful.
This morning.....
NO PAIN, NO STIFFNESS ....
like legs of a young boy again.

This is a very promising result for one dose of turp.
I can't wait to see how this is going to turn out on the long run.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

@ Eram,


end symptomes of restless leg syndrome

Have you tried supplementing calcium and magnesium?


NO PAIN, NO STIFFNESS ....
like legs of a young boy again.


No pain is good news in any case, congratulations, but don't let it go to you head just yet man, give it a few weeks before you start running ok..........OK?;) I'm serious here.

[Eligos]

Question for everyone taking the turpentine..What kind of results have we seen so far?
Any negatives or positives?
I bought the "Canadian Tire" version the reochem about a week ago.. but to be honest I am still skeptical of trying this... You guys think the reochem is good enough quality??
I have been following this thread since day 1 and have read it all.
If i do follow through with it I will follow Dr. Daniels guidelines.. Did all of you follow the guideline posted Eg. Having at least 3 bowel movement a day.. and the strict diet plan?
I know many have said oh I feel much more clear now... but just curious if there are any other positive benefits you have noticed. Thanks

Just woke up, early in the morning after one dose of turp yesterday evening and reporting my first impressions here.

There are a few observations that I find worthy of mentioning here:

breathing feels like I take in more air with less effort
mind feels crisp and clear
the bowel system is ever so slightly stimulated


The reason that I jumped on this turp was not for candida, because, even though I suffer from severe mercury symptoms, candida isn't one of them.
It was when I read about turp being able to end symptomes of restless leg syndrome and related symptoms.
Ever since I was a teenager, I've experienced troubles with my knees every now and then.
Today, I am recovering from a major inflammation in my left knee and at the same time trying to rebuild cartilage tissue in my right knee after it was inflamed for 5 months 3 years back.
Basically, I am half crippled at the moment, not able to run or play soccer with my little boy.

Since about 7 years, I'm aware of the fact that the energy flow in my legs isn't as it should be.
My girlfriend, who is a natural talent in the 6th sense field detected this shortly after we met and confirmed this many times through the years.
This is related to the inflammations in my knees, I'm sure.

For the past year, every time when I get up in the morning, my legs feel stiff and a little painful.
This morning.....
NO PAIN, NO STIFFNESS ....
like legs of a young boy again.

This is a very promising result for one dose of turp.
I can't wait to see how this is going to turn out on the long run.

Simply AMAZING Eram!

It reminds me of Andreas Kalcker and his use of MMS the first time,

[Octavusprime]

I'm very curious why some are encouraging others to avoid yeast based foods such as beer and cheese. Candida is a different species than say saccharomyces cerevisiae (beer) and as such does not pose a threat. Not all yeast strains are bad, many are very beneficial probiotics.




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[Eram]

@ Eram,


end symptomes of restless leg syndrome

Have you tried supplementing calcium and magnesium?


NO PAIN, NO STIFFNESS ....
like legs of a young boy again.


No pain is good news in any case, congratulations, but don't let it go to you head just yet man, give it a few weeks before you start running ok..........OK?;) I'm serious here.

I won't let it go to my head 778, you know I wont :)

Actually, it was magnesium supplement 2 years ago that started me of on the path of improving my life through supplements, diets, super foods and what have you.
Some girls in our bed and breakfast had it aside of their plate at breakfast and I asked about it (magnesium-bisglycinate).
I took some that day and experienced the biggest change (for the better) that I ever felt in years.
Later I learned that mercury burdened people (often) have a huge magnesium deficit and these symptoms alone put a lid on any life happiness.

Calcium, I'm not so sure about, but maybe it's better to save that for a more suitable thread.

Just this evening, I took the second dose and my girlfriend dared to take a dose too, since she was now convinced that you don't die immediately from it. lol
Funny thing was that the taste reminded her of rhino caps, a steam bath capsule that people can take when they have shortness of breath etc.
So we looked it up and surely, one of the active ingredients in it is: Terpineol (http://www.12drogist.nl/rhinocaps-inhalatie-capsules.html)
It does say that it is only for external use and not to be taken orally, but it's funny to see that big pharma uses it too.

One more thing that I experienced during the day was that my fingers, ears and nose etc all had a really good circulation today, not that I suffer from bad circulation, but the difference was noticeable.

My girlfriend immediately felt that there was activity starting on the muscles on her rib cage that are contracted because she is currently allergic to dust mites.
Also a relief on the bronchi as in, more air.

[Russ1959]

Well, I have also followed this thread from the start and as a result received my turp gum yesterday.
I am asthmatic, frequently get heat rashes and also have a fungal nail infection so I thought lets give this a go and see if I get any positive results.
Tonight I ran a bath and mixed sea salt, baking soda and sum gum turp drops into the water.
Immediately I felt extremely itchy whilst soaking and new something was going on.
In fact that was two hours since and the itching has only just subsided now thankfully.
Shortly afterwards, I used the drops on some sugar method and flushed it down with lots of water.
No tummy rumbles or anything but I must admit I did feel a little light headed and my eyes felt as if they were dilating somewhat but nothing uncomfortable.
Just been for a well needed pee and had a look to see if there were anything out of the ordinary in my urine but everything seems normal.
My chest feels a little easier in my breathing as I have a current wheeze due to being a heavy smoker but its too early to say whether that's due to taking the pine gum.
I will take another dose in a couple of days and report back if there is anything positive happening.
Oh, I'm burping alot and my breath seems like it smells of petrol! Lol

Great thread!

Russ

[sigma6]

I'm very curious why some are encouraging others to avoid yeast based foods such as beer and cheese. Candida is a different species than say saccharomyces cerevisiae (beer) and as such does not pose a threat. Not all yeast strains are bad, many are very beneficial probiotics.

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Actually according to Dr Jennifer Daniels people with Candida, or specifically a case of vaginitis, tested found that it was the exact same yeast as in bread.... and there is some benefit apparently to a small population of candida in the system... the issue is that it is so opportunistic, that once it gets outside the confines of your intestinal tract it can spread throughout your entire body via the blood stream, including organs and the brain... causing debilitating inflammation. At this point it would be impossible to get rid of it through probiotics which themselves are contained in the bowel, you need to now attack them in your bloodstream... I am not worried about not having enough candida though... I don't think that would ever be a concern...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Update, feeling fine, light on my feet, complexion keeps clearing up ( I smoke), and............skin came off, on my arm, shoulders and back like when you scrape it with oil, short version, after taking a shower today and drying myself with a towel a lot of little 'rolls' of skin came off, not the way dead skin usually comes off, not a gross story I am fine, but the skin was icky and sticky and it actually stuck to my fingertips on closer inspection, as if the bad stuff comes out of my pores, so far for that part.

Yesterday I did not report on this but I jump my imaginary rebounder every day for a couple of hundred times to stimulate the peristaltics of my lymphatic system( takes about 3 minutes), I have done that from day 3 on the turp if I recall correct, and the day before yesterday it was definitely clear I was flushing my system big time pig time, the glands in my throat had swollen up to the point where it was a bit painful, not a lot, it was just there and it annoyed me, drinking lots of water, gentle massaging the sore spots, stretching my neck/throat in all directions ( just roll your head around your chest/shoulders) and jumping some more unclogged it, popped my ears and it was gone, so that's feeling better too now ( gone). Ow, almost forgot, the above was accompanied by a slight fever, well fever is to much but the cleanup operation generated some heat in the overall system, it worked up a little sweat so to speak, no biggie.

When making todays dose I over poured the teaspoon, took it anyway, feel fine.

Great stuff.

[vje2]

Hey Sigma6,

THANK YOU foor the wonderful info!!!
I was scared ****less about taking my first dose of turpentine, but I was determined to get rid of my back pain.
This is my update:

On the first date,

I took a bath with a tiny amount of turp in a cup that I mixed with my bath water (hot).
I submerged myself in it, and at first it was OK, but then I started to feel a tingly sensation for then after a good 20 min, started to feel my skin burning.
At that point, I decided it as enough.
Boy, I went to bed and at first my body was on fire, but I managed to fell asleep...I slept like a baby and more important, the pain in my lower back disappeared.
Thinking retrospectively, I believe I pour far too much turp onto my bath water...next time a little less will do me, ha ha ha.

Second day
I have been applying directly to my lower back 10 drops of turp with castor oil. The sensation I got was that of heat, but very pleasant. Pain was reatly reduced.

Third day
In the morning I administered myself an oil enema (oil+water) to clean my bowels.
In the evening before going to bed, I took my first teaspoon with castor oil, honey followed by mineral water. Went to bed. The mouth of my stomach (at the level of my heart chakra) was feeling quite hot, I think fear was getting hold of me, as I did not know what to expect, but I managed to relax and fall asleep.
The following morning I went to the toilet to discharge something stuff + green oil. I can assure yu I did not eat anything green (chlorophilla).
SO i guess, I did some killing on my insights.

Does anybody has had a similar reaction? trying to understand what is this green liquid/oil.

Thanks and apologies for being so graphic!

will continue with my cleansing program next week to observe myself.
I believe that a little goes a long way.

THANK YOU!!!!!


No unwanted symptoms so far.
Will rest for now and next week will do it again.

Pain on my lower back is minimal if at all!

[Eram]

Hey Sigma6,

THANK YOU foor the wonderful info!!!
I was scared ****less about taking my first dose of turpentine, but I was determined to get rid of my back pain.
This is my update:

On the first date,

I took a bath with a tiny amount of turp in a cup that I mixed with my bath water (hot).
I submerged myself in it, and at first it was OK, but then I started to feel a tingly sensation for then after a good 20 min, started to feel my skin burning.
At that point, I decided it as enough.
Boy, I went to bed and at first my body was on fire, but I managed to fell asleep...I slept like a baby and more important, the pain in my lower back disappeared.
Thinking retrospectively, I believe I pour far too much turp onto my bath water...next time a little less will do me, ha ha ha.

Second day
I have been applying directly to my lower back 10 drops of turp with castor oil. The sensation I got was that of heat, but very pleasant. Pain was reatly reduced.

Third day
In the morning I administered myself an oil enema (oil+water) to clean my bowels.
In the evening before going to bed, I took my first teaspoon with castor oil, honey followed by mineral water. Went to bed. The mouth of my stomach (at the level of my heart chakra) was feeling quite hot, I think fear was getting hold of me, as I did not know what to expect, but I managed to relax and fall asleep.
The following morning I went to the toilet to discharge something stuff + green oil. I can assure yu I did not eat anything green (chlorophilla).
SO i guess, I did some killing on my insights.

Does anybody has had a similar reaction? trying to understand what is this green liquid/oil.

Thanks and apologies for being so graphic!

will continue with my cleansing program next week to observe myself.
I believe that a little goes a long way.

THANK YOU!!!!!


No unwanted symptoms so far.
Will rest for now and next week will do it again.

Pain on my lower back is minimal if at all!

Great top hear about your journey with gum turp vje2

I suspect that the green liquid/oil is liver stones that got solved through the turp.
I did a bunch of liver flushes and the stones that come out are green ish to grey and yellow, mostly green in colour.

May I ask what is the cause of your back pain?

ps: when you said:
I took my first teaspoon with castor oil, honey followed by mineral water.
I take it that you meant that you took turp?

[vje2]

Hi Eram,

Sorry I was typing very quickly and mispelt and missed a few words. Yes I mean to say a teaspoon of turpentine with honey and castor oil.

As for the cause of my pain, I have been experiencing some menstrual irregularities (amenorrea) and lower back pain is one of the symptoms.

[Czarek]

I took a bath with a tiny amount of turp in a cup that I mixed with my bath water (hot)..

Thinking retrospectively, I believe I pour far too much turp onto my bath water...next time a little less will do me, ha ha ha.


Can you please share with us the exact amount you used in your bath water? I'm curious to know what amount you think should be used per bath. Thanks

[Benevolent Bear]

I took a bath with a tiny amount of turp in a cup that I mixed with my bath water (hot)..

Thinking retrospectively, I believe I pour far too much turp onto my bath water...next time a little less will do me, ha ha ha.


Can you please share with us the exact amount you used in your bath water? I'm curious to know what amount you think should be used per bath. Thanks

I have taken 2 baths with the turpentine, I use a capful, which is maybe a teaspoon to a full tub. I have also use the same amount in a foot bath. There is a slight burning sensation with the bath on my legs. As we absorb through our skin this is my first step. My cravings for carbs (breads) are less, so it is easier to eat lots of veggies, oatmeal, fruit. I do tend to get really dry skin on my hands and feet. I hope this will help.

[childs hood end]

Thur 3rd - one tea spoon turpentine with 3 tea spoons of honey... 20 min in my energy levels jumped way up... Head never felt clearer.... Any aches and pains I had are gone... Lungs fell like they have expanded... Air ways realy clear... 3 to 4 ****s a day.

Fri 4th - one tea spoon turpentine with one and a qtr tea spoons of sugar... All the above continue...

Sat 5th - one tea spoon turpentine with one and a qtr tea spoons of sugar... All the above continue.. Pluss some crazy **** in my piss (loads a little flaky things)

Sun 6th - taking a break.

Mon 7th - one tea spoon turpentine with one and a qtr tea spoons of sugar... All still feels good... And here I am.

No side affects what so ever...
Taste ain't that bad at all...

Will continue and keep yous posted.... Peace.
.................................................................................................... .................


still taking one tea spoon turpentine with one and a qtr tea spoons of sugar every day...

from tues 8th I switched from morning dose to a night dose...
to see if I can get a better sleep as I seem to get realy tired shortly after a dose..
my dreams are real vivid... crazy dreams...
still no bad side effects...
slight headaches witch water sorts right out...
still have a clear head...
plenty of energy...
my grey hair is returning back to black real quick...
I also put it raw on any cuts sores or pains I get... seems to help...

will try it in a bath tomorrow with sea salt and baking powder...

iv also started putting it on a friends finger wart... see what happens...

will keep yous updated..

peace.

side note... bin drinking my urine the past 18 months... I also recommend.

urine and turpentine... only time will tell.

[sigma6]

Awesome reports, it seems to cure whatever your ailment is... Dr Daniels spoke of this, she said she was told to just pick one cure when she proceeded to present it on the internet (marketing advice) But she admits in fact that it is in truth a cure ALL....

778, you must be full of sh**... (if you get my meaning ;p , LOL... so it sounds like you are getting the most benefit from this... I think I am familiar with what you are speaking about re: the skin, your skin is releasing something, I am guessing rancid oils, since a lot of commercial fat in processed foods today is largely inert, and just sits in our body creating all kinds of damage..., I can see this helping eliminate that kind of fat/waste from the body..)

childhood that flaky thing in the piss... is the most striking observation... I have no experience on that... but a pure guess/speculation... I have heard that people can eliminate stones through their urine... I wonder if it is possible that it is breaking it up AND releasing it??? anyhow that deserves an answer!



Does anybody has had a similar reaction? trying to understand what is this green liquid/oil.
Thanks and apologies for being so graphic!
will continue with my cleansing program next week to observe myself.
I believe that a little goes a long way.
THANK YOU!!!!!

No unwanted symptoms so far.
Will rest for now and next week will do it again.
Pain on my lower back is minimal if at all!

I would say that in your case your dose of caster oil would stimulate the gall bladder, and the combination somehow is releasing bile... but now sure what that means... technically if it is green and liquid, I think that is healthy bile... thanks for the sharing all these detailed observations... fascinating...

As for me I find I that it acts very much like the kind of cleansing reactions that I used to have when I originally started UT... I stopped having those types of reactions after a while... so this seems to be operating on a more deeper level? No more headaches... I think my energy is more balanced. Funny your bile story... I went to the bathroom and I saw what I thought was hundreds of small bile pebbles, kind of yellowy, but I ate a carrot the day before, and I couldn't tell if it was just chewed up pieces of digested carrot? (but I thought if it was they should have been more orange), and I wasn't so curious to take sample (LOL) I shoulda and I was intrigued, because if it was tiny gallstones that would be hugely significant and news worthy!...

But what I will do is just keep an eye, as I do eat carrots often and will keep track to figure this out... Because when I did a liver/gallbladder cleanse, I always found my stones came out more light reddish yellow... (not sure what that means... but that's another topic... too much fat?)

Anyhow... for me this is very cleansing, I am doing about 6-8 mls with sugar... and I like rubbing it on trouble spots, figuring that must be getting into the blood stream. Also see a big increase in circulation, healthy redness in hands, face... I like the comment about the hair colour, according to Dr Daniels the candida builds up a white film that coats the inside of your intestine (she made reference to a specific part, I forgot) and like a bunch of criminals, they are taking the first 'bite' of everything you eat, literally positioning themselves between you and your food! and thus diminishing your ability to absorb nutrients... no wonder we age, our hair turns gray etc... but clear that off, and you are 'born again' I would imagine...

[Shannow]

I can't bath in the stuff (or eucalyptus oil, as it burns too much).

Have made my own vaporub in the past with lanolin and gum turps, and it warms about right.

[Artworks]

Hello everyone, I have been taking pure terps on a sugar lump for two weeks now and the results were almost immediate and amazing.
The pain and discomfort from arthritis in the knuckles of my right hand has all but gone,
I suffered from trapped wind, very painful especially in the morning, now gone.
My head is clearer, no hangover when waking and it is easier to get up in these dark and cold mornings.
I have a very fragile system and suffer from weak kidneys and a
worn out liver,( I do not drink alcohol), so I was rather tentative when trying out this experiment,
but I have noticed that even with eating processed sweet junk food (perfect for candida)
My digestion is more efficient and there is none of the bloating and other nasty reactions.
I don't know how long I will continue, but I take three or four drops on the sugar three times a day before a meal.
On days like this wet, damp, musty, and slightly warm, my sytem would be bubbling,
so thank you so much for this information and for the amazing avalon forum.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

778, you must be full of sh**... (if you get my meaning ;p , LOL... so it sounds like you are getting the most benefit from this... I think I am familiar with what you are speaking about re: the skin, your skin is releasing something, I am guessing rancid oils, since a lot of commercial fat in processed foods today is largely inert, and just sits in our body creating all kinds of damage..., I can see this helping eliminate that kind of fat/waste from the body..)

No problem, I understand.........and I wager 95% of participants are full of it too......... let me see what do I do and have I done so far to clean myself out, I run, cycle and spar in the gym so that works up a nice sweat usually, I have a reasonable healthy diet, plenty of greens and fruit, I juice, I eat super foods, maca, spirulina, chlorella, wheatgrass, barley grass, hempseeds, chia, crushed linseed, ascorbic acid, apricot kernels b17, L arginine, Blue Ice Royal, by green pastures the butter oil and fermented cod liver blend, have a magnesium bath every once in a while, I am a reiki master so that helps a bit as well, I have done over ten liver flushes, I use MMS, did Iboga, and now turp..........., still very interested in Iodine but don't know what the good stuff is, haven't researched it yet, anyway all the above must have cleaned me out better than most already and still crap comes out, however every time a different kind of crap seems to get addressed, and my skin, well as far as I know our skin is the biggest two way operating organ we have, it sweats, it absorbs, it breathes so I am not surprised this is just another route for bad stuff to find its way out of my system, how about all those times we used sunscreen, some shower products, deodorant, hand sanitizers, I am no saint, I've been in contact with all that crap many many times in my lifetime... so............ what goes in must come out eventually, turp is just another interesting method and it pleases me as well to see so many participate here, and read the results people are sharing, I wonder how many people from Avalon a silently trying this stuff without speaking out, same goes for the guests, I believe we are usually outnumbered at least ten to one, so that ought to be interesting to know, for all we know there are now a 1500 people who read the thread who started with taking the turp, maybe less, maybe more, I don't know how many ACTIVE and REPORTING members are trying this now because I haven't counted but if that's an average, we aren't doing all that bad imo, when I read some member are on it for about two weeks already, well, they must have run out to the store the day the OP was posted, so, no lack of enthusiasm there I'd say and we can only know because they told us they use it now, so............ .

Keep it coming people, we are learning something here so please add your experiences to the thread.

Maybe dr Daniels is interested as well, who knows, lots of first hand feedback for her here so far.

Ed

[vje2]

Hi Czarek,

I would suggest 1 to 2 tablespoons maximum unless your skin can take a bit more.

[sigma6]

I saw what I thought was hundreds of small bile pebbles, kind of yellowy, but I ate a carrot the day before, and I couldn't tell if it was just chewed up pieces of digested carrot? I have to correct this right away... I just remembered I forgot, I ate a bunch of blanched almonds the night before and I am pretty sure... wanted to correct this, so as not to give the impression this is in fact some kind of gallbladder cleanse... but some of the documentation does say there is "benefit" to the liver and kidneys... I would guess because of its ability to emulsify or break down fat... and I still think the observation of "white flakies" in someone's urine is hugely fascinating...

778, thanks for sharing your insights, didn't know you were a "health nut" (lol) all in good spirit... and agree keep testimonials coming in, anything you feel was directly attributable to your taking turps... how much, how often, how your taking it, results etc... I wish all good health results and blessings. I would make one suggestion, I think now I should have very carefully journalized EXACTLY how much I was taking each time... I find I am doing it too much "by eye"

I just took my first dose today that didn't do anything significant ... I didn't go to washroom, I am not sure if this is good or bad... I think it was less then what I usually take, I know I only did 3 tsp of sugar this time... (maybe 4,5,6 ml)... I think I need 8-9ish for my weight... still testing... looking for a daily movement, but without having to run for the door...

[sian]

just wanted to say a big thank you for this thread, havn't got through everyone's share as yet but will. the big irony here is that the simplest remedies of 'natures goody bag' is always at hand staring in the face of adversity, disease/illness can be conquered with diligence and common sense.

going back 30 odd years ago, to my days of being a fine art/painting student, being equipped, as an introductory package to all pupils, with 5 pots of oil paint and the all important bottle of pure turpentine as the essential starter kit. i found this very same bottle in the back of a cupboard today hidden away, perhaps waiting to find its real purpose in life! i'll restrain from using it however, just in-case, and purchase a fresh lot.

here's a UK supplier/possibility for those on this side of the pond.

http://www.jpennyltd.co.uk/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=218

cheers (no pun intended)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

778, thanks for sharing your insights, didn't know you were a "health nut" (lol) all in good spirit...

Ah, health nut, well I am no health nut by any means, as I stated I do smoke and yes I work out and am interested in food and supplements, the only reason for that, is that's its about the only thing in life I CAN influence very directly without external interference (in any form) and this body happened to be the only one I currently posses and I do believe we are in for some hard times the coming years, so if I can give myself somewhat of a head start I'll take it or make it, I see no reason in making it any harder as I believe it will become in the not to distant future, and when it all passes without a hitch, well that's even better imo.

Another reason for my interest in spiritual and physical and mental health is I have a pretty bad @ss past and did things I now wouldn't recommend to anyone....... at all......... I hinted at that fact on several places on the forum so I certainly do feel like I am catching up to my past by taking good care of myself these days, Avalon helped me a great deal with this, especially the alt med/ sci forum and the off grid section, what CAN I influence directly in a very practical way has become very important to me and it is my personal believe it should be on top of anyone's priority list, by that I mean your health, finding ways to become more self reliant, some knowledge ( preferably as practical and direct applicable as it can possibly get ) and taking your mind/ body back is just about as up close and personal as it can get imo, to my knowledge at this time I occupy only one body , so....... there you go. By sharing experiences here many can benefit from what WE do here and that's worth something, don't know how much, but at least it is something... ok 15 days into this now and I said before I would take it for 14 days but I continue taking the turp and see where it takes me, I'll keep you posted.

Thanks for the feedback.

[brenie]

Sian, you maybe missing out, we often read of the old bottles of hooch being worth more.
Can't imagine turps loosing it's kick, unless you have been dipping paint brushes into it !

[childs hood end]

childhood that flaky thing in the piss... is the most striking observation... I have no experience on that... but a pure guess/speculation... I have heard that people can eliminate stones through their urine... I wonder if it is possible that it is breaking it up AND releasing it??? anyhow that deserves an answer!

sigma
this was the only thing I could come up with for these flaky bitts as well... only happened twice... 1st ..cup der was a load of them. 2nd cup.. not very much.
I did not drink these cups... but maybe I should have so my body could read this info and sort it out it self.

peace.

[Snowflower]

I bought turp yesterday - 100% pure gum spirit turpentine from home depot. Will start today. Existent health issues: lymphedema (about 1/3 of excess body weight is lymph fluid); bowel transit time is 60 hours; adverse reaction to fluoroquinolone antibiotics causing joint pain, eye problems; balance problems from cervical vertigo. Current diet is high fat (coconut, olive, flax oils), medium protein (meat, eggs), low carb (sweet potato, greens). Don't see point of Daniel's pre-test regimen since I already drink huge water amounts, and no matter what I have tried (many alternative healing methods) nothing has ever budged transit time for bowels (determined with charcoal), nor touched lymphedema or pain. I will start a journal with symptom analysis (scale 1-10), amounts of turp. My hope is this: I have done very well attmpting to remove poison via food choices, rebounding, supplements, but have never had anything change and am hoping that removing poison with attack method finally breaks it loose.

[schneider]

I am taking 3 droppers now and 1 dropper is equal to 1/4 tsp. Believe it or not I started out with just 3 drops, not droppers, and it had an affect on me. I am feeling so much better after 2 weeks of taking terp. My nasty sinus infection is gone and when I breath in it feels like my sinus cavities are cavernous so much more air is entering. I also had a very painful ear infection that is 90 percent cleared up.
The weight is easily dropping off and I am not craving and feeling starved like before. In fact I almost have to force myself to eat which is very unusual. Sigma6 I will PM you with more info.

[Snowflower]

schneider, you give me hope.

[sian]

brwnie, you made me laugh, you could well be right. ain't no Van Gough though!

read somewhere in one of the links within posts above, there could be a possibility turpentine improves with age depending on storage and i guess none-contamination!

[Czarek]

From the literature I've read, old turpentine becomes oxidized, just like majority of oils. Consequently, old oxidized turpentine becomes water soluble with age and thus delivers more oxygen to tissues. So with age, turpentine's tissue "penetration" will change affecting different tissues. Aging turpentine is not a bad idea! To my knowledge, there aren't many substances that can deliver extra oxygen to human tissues . From my personal experiments on my own vessel, MMS is the only one that I have at my disposal. Now we know of another.

[Snowflower]

I started with 1/2 tsp. on 3 sugar cubes. It was hard to do it because chewing the sugar cubes up fast enough was not possible and I got a whole lot of turpentine taste before I got it down. I am a real chicken about taste and have a hyper active gag reflex, but even as awful as turpentine sounds, it was not bad enough to engage my gag reflex. Other than taste and chewing, I felt nothing at all. So, later in the day, I decided to take some more - a whole tsp. on 5 sugar cubes, because 3 just seemed to be not enough for the amount of liquid. Still felt nothing at all.

So, this morning, I decided to up the dose a little - 1 1/4 tsp. - And I did it on a Tbsp. of sugar instead of cubes (I have not had sugar in my house for years, so I had to put cubes into the food processor and grind it up). I am feeling it just a bit today with a little feeling of moving inside abdomen and with some non painful diarrhea, so am highly encouraged that THIS one might actually work. I am maintaining a ketogenic diet (with the exception of a Tbsp of sugar, lol), rebounding, and supplements of vitamin D drops, B12 spray, magnesium oil spray, D-mannose, vitamin C. I need to add fermentation of some kind - staying away from dairy so cannot do kefir or yogurt. I need to make some sauerkraut, I guess.

My visualization is that the turpentine will kill "things" in the digestive and elimination system, and that as those areas are cleaned out, my body will begin dumping toxins out of organs and cells into those clean areas, because it will be seeking balance. As it dumps, my entire body will start being cleared of toxins and THEN all the good things I have been doing for so long might actually have a chance to start a healing process. I think I've been fighting a losing battle eliminating foods I developed intolerance to, eliminating high fructose corn syrup, eliminating gluten, eliminating casein - more and more deprivation and still high levels of pain, fatigue, depression, on and on. The problem has been that with so much continuous poison, nothing going toward beneficial made any difference.

This is the first thing I've seen that is a direct attack against something, instead of a sideways attack by simply trying to create an environment where the beasties couldn't live. My body does not have the strength to live through the extremely gradual die-off of the sideways approach. In fact, I am tempted to increase the dose to 2 tsp.

[Flash]

Do anybody remembers, in their early childhood, candies that were sold with pine flavor. They were quite strong tasting and Brown looking, like litte triangles, sweet, strong taste of pine. i bet anything those were the turp stuff in it.

[Snowflower]

Yes, I remember them. I didn't like them, lol.

[Eram]

Hi Snowflower,

Have you read the entire document from dr. Jennifer Daniels?
The Candida Cleaner (thepythoniccow.us/The_Candida_Cleaner-Jennifer_Daniels.pdf)

She is quite strongly set against taking more then a teaspoon a day, actually, she promotes to take no more then 2 teaspoons a week.
She reasons that candida and other parasites can do 2 things when they come in contact with the turp and that is to flee for their lives, or to stay and fight (this will cause them to die and you will experience the die off symptoms).
Further, she reasons that people need to offer the parasites and other buggers a good exit opportunity (three movements a day would be considered healthy and a good exit) or they will cause die off symptoms also because they can't leave the body soon enough.

If I take this into consideration, I would be careful to take so much turp as you are suggesting (more then a teaspoon a day), especially in you condition.

Tony, the herbalist also promotes to build it very slowly.

Anyway, we are all uncovering uncharted territory here and I might be wrong in my worries for you, but I felt like offering them to you for you consideration.

[Alan]

Sigma6, thank you so much for sharing this, and thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences with it. I ordered my turp a few days ago, can't wait to try it.

I'm especially nervous about taking it because my esophagus does not work properly -- diffuse esophageal spasm. Whereas a normal esophagus quickly and rhythmically pushes swallowed solids and liquids into the stomach, in mine both can get stuck and sit there for a long time. Having turp sit there for a while concerns me.

However it's worst right when I start eating -- after a few swallows the opening seems to open and swallowing becomes easier. My plan is to eat a little banana before and after to help keep things moving.

I look forward to posting my success story! I've been struggling with fatigue/candida for years, and things have gotten especially bad in the past month.

[Russ1959]

Update:
Well its a week since ingesting 3 doses of gum turp spread evenly over the week.
After the second dose midweek, I noticed what looked to be a white worm like object in my stool but not sure if indeed it was.
After ingesting, my wheezing seems to calm down and helps me sleep better but the wheezing is back when I wake up.
I suppose if I stopped smoking that would alleviate the bad chest.
My body seems to be coming out in rashes and small spots which are extremely itchy but I will persist with the treatment hoping that it is toxins working there way through my skin pores.
Other than that, no other benefits such as mental clarity or heightened energy to report.
Will check back in next week.

Russ

[Eram]

I took the 5th dose today, in a period of 8 days if I remember correctly.
At the end of the morning on an empty stomach. Turp gives me a great energy rush after an hour or 1,5 so taking it at the evening is no option for me :)

Here is what I noticed so far:


On the 2th dose, a day after, I smelled the same smell as whit a liver flush on the toilet, which indicates to me that indeed, turp dissolves liver stones. I will do a liver flush shortly after the turp program to see if there are any stones coming out and if not (which would be the first time after 11 flushes), I take it as a semi-proof that liver stones get dissolved with turp.

2-4 hours after the 2th and 3th dose, I noticed tingling pricking sensations in my nose (mostly), ears and lungs. This would match up with the claim from dr. Daniels that the buggers are seeking the nearest exit to get the hell out of the body system :).

As said before, I get huge amounts of energy (or I perceive it to be) a few hours after turp. I can do hard labour for hours on end without feeling fatigued. For instance, I had 5 stère (6,2 m2) wood delivered to us for the winter and I got it all in the shed that evening and still felt as energised as before I started. I do wonder though, if this might be related to it's characteristic as a petrol like distillate and that it is some sort of a "high" that I get from it.

I am a sweet tooth and currently on a sugar and wheat free diet (to chelate mercury) and now that I take turp, I don't feel any cravings for sugar ... at all! I take it that all that I had on candida and or other sugar loving buggers have left the building? My girlfriend experiences the same and also her cravings for meat are gone.

As said in a earlier post, the blood circulation gets stimulated a lot with turp. I do wonder though if the blood pressure is rising with turp, since I feel some pressure in my eyes after taking it.

Also as said before, more air, easier to breath.


All in all I would say that it is impressive, but I also notice that turp is a "strong" medicine as in, It is kind off violent. I can feel it in my mouth and esophagus for hours after taking it (little irritated) and I keep wondering what more it does to the body system that we are unaware of.

I would love to get this stuff researched, on a large scale on an independent scientific bases.

[brenie]

Hi Folks, this thread is turning into a popular starting point for my daily visits to the computer.
So far i've taken 4or5 drops on three days, nothing untoward to report.
I would like to hear if anyone has info: regards 'kidney' stones, I would like to advise my son to give it a try if there are any positive stories re: the kidney.

Best wishes to all.

[Russ1959]

I understand that drinking apple cider vinegar is also excellent for dissolving kidney stones brenie.

regards

Russ

[skamandar]

Hey Sigma6,

The following morning I went to the toilet to discharge something stuff + green oil. I can assure yu I did not eat anything green (chlorophilla).
SO i guess, I did some killing on my insights.

Does anybody has had a similar reaction? trying to understand what is this green liquid/oil.



I just noticed the same. The water in the toilet was green, dark military green to be precise.
By the way since I started the turp, I feel such a hunger for meet, so I didn't even eat salad.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hey Sigma6,

The following morning I went to the toilet to discharge something stuff + green oil. I can assure yu I did not eat anything green (chlorophilla).
SO i guess, I did some killing on my insights.

Does anybody has had a similar reaction? trying to understand what is this green liquid/oil.



I just noticed the same. The water in the toilet was green, dark military green to be precise.
By the way since I started the turp, I feel such a hunger for meet, so I didn't even eat salad.

That was probably the remains of dissolved liver stones, I wager it had an 'odd' smell to it too, I had the same thing happen to me on the turp and it smelled just like the liver stones I passed while doing liver cleanses.

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[Snowflower]

Sram, thank you for your concern. I did read the whole booklet. I am severely obese, and consider that she was giving quantities based on normal weight. But, it doesn't matter anyway, because absolutely nothing is happening. Nothing. I would LOVE to have some die off symptoms. It would at least tell me that the turp is doing something. But no, I hear all these miraculous stories, and then I try it with great hope in my heart and - nothing.

[sian]

don't give up hope Snowflower, you've probably been through the mill and ringer many times over by the sounds of it and endured many defeats and frustration. this makes you 'a really heavy duty 'trooper' in my book. hope you give it time and all good wishes to you in your 'recovery'. YOU'RE A DILIGENT SURVIVER, as you've shown and shared with all here.:)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Sram, thank you for your concern. I did read the whole booklet. I am severely obese, and consider that she was giving quantities based on normal weight. But, it doesn't matter anyway, because absolutely nothing is happening. Nothing. I would LOVE to have some die off symptoms. It would at least tell me that the turp is doing something. But no, I hear all these miraculous stories, and then I try it with great hope in my heart and - nothing.

Have you checked out the work and products of dr Joel Wallach?
He addresses most problems with mineral supplementation and apparently the man and his products can work real miracles, perhaps you can check him out on YouTube and via his website Youngevity, he has done lots and lots of presentations and interviews, it might just be worth to have a look.

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[Alan]

Turp arrived Friday, today will be my 3rd day on it. Felt a little pain in my esophageal sphincter the first day, not unlike after having bad heartburn, but not too bad. As others have stated taste is not bad at all.

Question -- I'm doing the stacked sugar cube method described by the doctor. All 3 cubes are fully saturated even before half a teaspoon has been dripped onto them. Anyone else observe this?

[Snowflower]

778 - yes, Joel Wallach has been one of the many people in my journey. I'm convinced now that it isn't enough to create a healthy environment. The beasties MUST be killed off. I'm on a murder mission to kill the parasites living inside me. His nutrients would probably be terrific AFTER the parasites are gone, but today, the parasites just get all the good stuff and leave me hungry.

sian, thank you. I'm heading into the kitchen now to take more turp.

alamojo, I had the same experience. It was also hard for me to chew the sugar up in my mouth - kind of hurt my gums and kept the turp in there with taste buds too long. So, now, I'm grinding up the sugar cubes (after another 5 hour trip into town (due to flood) I will get regular granulated cane sugar). I'm also using more sugar - six sugar cubes per tsp. as it turns out. Six of them makes 2 tbsp. of sugar. I put half a tsp. on 1 Tbsp. of sugar, swallow it down with water, then put another half tsp. on another Tbsp. of sugar and swallow with water. MUCH faster, easier, and more sugar is less saturated.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Turp arrived Friday, today will be my 3rd day on it. Felt a little pain in my esophageal sphincter the first day, not unlike after having bad heartburn, but not too bad. As others have stated taste is not bad at all.

Question -- I'm doing the stacked sugar cube method described by the doctor. All 3 cubes are fully saturated even before half a teaspoon has been dripped onto them. Anyone else observe this?

If you pour 1 teaspoon of gum turp into a regular tablespoon and then pour some regular white sugar on it until its saturated and then add just a little bit more sugar, you don't have to chew it, you can just flush it down with a glass of water, goes down very easy, maybe that helps you out a bit.

[sian]

finaly got delivery of pure gum turpentine this afternoon. so here goes:

took it about half an hour ago (11pm gmt) with tsp of granulated sugar using the tbs method and glass of water to wash down. easy-pizzy, i'm glad to report. tasted like penny bag of childhood sweets as i recall. don't feel any discomfort as yet, waiting in positive anticipation. bring it on! will report back with progress reports, won't go through the boring ailments at the moment, gona be fit as a fiddle in no time.:yes4::)

[sigma6]

I was using a level of of brown sugar, and drip it in until it is saturated, just less then 2mls saturates it. Then spoon that in and let it melt in my mouth and drink it down with distilled water... I have done about 3 or 4 of those. Then I find it "hits" me in few hours and have, what I can only describe as a "cleansing reaction"... not going to complain with that... to me this stuff is cleansing. Lately I went off and had a huge junk food binge (dohhh!!!) starting all over again... dang!

[Eram]

Hi friends,

I am in a bit of a though spot and I don't know how to proceed.
Maybe, with the combined intellect of the posters of this thread (newcomers welcome of course), we can figure this out.

As mentioned before, I started taking the turp mainly because I have legs where the energy doesn't flow free and as a result have had severely inflammations and other symptoms there. That and because I like to experiment with alternative ways of healing.
In the beginning, there was a obvious relieve in stiffness etc in the legs, but after a few days.... I noticed that my calves where hurting and cramping.
Now, my left knee is hurting like hell, seriously inflammation, .... but.... there is no swelling as it used to and there is a severe amount of pain that is also unusual.

It always wondered me how two knees could damage so much tissue, without the hurting that most people talk about when suffering from knee inflammation.

So, now there is inflammation that hurts like hell (where the inflammations in the past didn't hurt really), there is no swelling (where in the past my knees would swell up like ... well..)

dr. Daniels talks about an aggravation of symptoms due to the turp that can happen.

I don't know how to interpret my current situation.
I'm certain that the worsening of my knees is due to the turp, but I don't know if it is because of a healing situation or the turp is attacking the muscles in my calves, causing the tendons in my knee to inflame (again).

I just don't have enough information form an opinion.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hi friends,

I am in a bit of a though spot and I don't know how to proceed.
Maybe, with the combined intellect of the posters of this thread (newcomers welcome of course), we can figure this out.

As mentioned before, I started taking the turp mainly because I have legs where the energy doesn't flow free and as a result have had severely inflammations and other symptoms there. That and because I like to experiment with alternative ways of healing.
In the beginning, there was a obvious relieve in stiffness etc in the legs, but after a few days.... I noticed that my calves where hurting and cramping.
Now, my left knee is hurting like hell, seriously inflammation, .... but.... there is no swelling as it used to and there is a severe amount of pain that is also unusual.

It always wondered me how two knees could damage so much tissue, without the hurting that most people talk about when suffering from knee inflammation.

So, now there is inflammation that hurts like hell (where the inflammations in the past didn't hurt really), there is no swelling (where in the past my knees would swell up like ... well..)

dr. Daniels talks about an aggravation of symptoms due to the turp that can happen.

I don't know how to interpret my current situation.
I'm certain that the worsening of my knees is due to the turp, but I don't know if it is because of a healing situation or the turp is attacking the muscles in my calves, causing the tendons in my knee to inflame (again).

I just don't have enough information form an opinion.

Give the external method a shot Toek, put some of the turp on some paper towels and apply it to your knee for a minute or so, if you handle it longer give it some more time, maybe that helps you out, do you take iodine, magnesium and selenium?

Edit, sorry was in a hurry to answer, but I also have a ( bit) of a cramped feeling in my calf ( right side) but I attribute that to the extra spring in my step the turp gives me, I could be wrong, but for me I think that's it.

[skamandar]

dr. Daniels talks about an aggravation of symptoms due to the turp that can happen.


I'm guessing that happened to me 2 times already. Once the first or the second time I took turp, and once yesterday. I have problems with the intestines mainly...
The first time I was at home and took bath with ESPOM SALT and eat mother of vinegar, which helped immideately. I'm guessing if you make compress with water and vinegar 10 to 1 it will relief the pain quikly. Just soak some cloth with it, put nailon above it and tie it with scarf. I've tried this compress before for pain in the feet...
The second time it was really scarry because I was out in a bus and I bloated so much that even my heart got pressed. For 30 min I litteraly thought I'll die. This healing crises (I think that's what it was) stopped so abruptly as it started and after it I felt so good, it is beyond words.
Hope this is just your body having difficulties releasing some big s..t from your knees and you'll feel much better soon.
Good luck!!!

[Snowflower]

Eram, I can only speak from logic, not experience since I seem to be having no effects at all - still! but, it makes sense to me that you would be having healing crisis, not poison experience, since your I'll health has manifested in your legs, and that is where your pain is focused.

[sian]

Hi Eram

what 778 may well be a good shot for the meantime. you could also wrap the joint with a flannel/cloth as the turpentine will not evaporate so quickly as with paper towel. could also mix 2 or 3 part oil (cockanut/olive or any edible) and 1 part turp as rub ointment on areas of pain to begin with. could also soak in a bath of warm to hot bath for about 30/35 mins add a cap of turp, tbs sea salt, baking soda borax, vinigar (perhaps apple cider vinegar) see from 19:05 on this video for more ingredients, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WtzHyl1GRA i'm sure even some if not all the ingredients could well help in some way, at least, ease the pain to a degree, if not quite elimination. sorry can't be of much more help at the moment.

others have also said similar things since i saw your post, they were quicker than i. great people here indeed:cool:

Take care and here's to a speedy recovery.:)

[Flash]

What about Cayce's remedy? Wrap flanel soaked in ricin oil (huile de castor in french, the oil to make you purge, go to toilet) and apply it on your knee to eliminate toxins caught there. Just a sugestikn, i have no swling problems and iam not on turp yet

[Eligos]

Hi friends,

I am in a bit of a though spot and I don't know how to proceed.
Maybe, with the combined intellect of the posters of this thread (newcomers welcome of course), we can figure this out.

As mentioned before, I started taking the turp mainly because I have legs where the energy doesn't flow free and as a result have had severely inflammations and other symptoms there. That and because I like to experiment with alternative ways of healing.
In the beginning, there was a obvious relieve in stiffness etc in the legs, but after a few days.... I noticed that my calves where hurting and cramping.
Now, my left knee is hurting like hell, seriously inflammation, .... but.... there is no swelling as it used to and there is a severe amount of pain that is also unusual.

It always wondered me how two knees could damage so much tissue, without the hurting that most people talk about when suffering from knee inflammation.

So, now there is inflammation that hurts like hell (where the inflammations in the past didn't hurt really), there is no swelling (where in the past my knees would swell up like ... well..)

dr. Daniels talks about an aggravation of symptoms due to the turp that can happen.

I don't know how to interpret my current situation.
I'm certain that the worsening of my knees is due to the turp, but I don't know if it is because of a healing situation or the turp is attacking the muscles in my calves, causing the tendons in my knee to inflame (again).

I just don't have enough information form an opinion.


Eram, this is what I think and what I would do hypothetically.

One of two things are happening here :

1: it's a healing crisis and the turp is actually healing the area
2: damage or undesirable side effects are happening

My guess it's #1. You state the pain is only in the problem areas.

Questions for you.
What has been your dosage and how many days in a row have you taken the turp?
What is your knee pain (problem area) scale from 1-10? 10 being the worse?

I would suggest stoping the turp temporarily and letting the area rest a few days - cycle on and off until full recovery.

I'm assuming you are really well hydrated and have regular bowel movements.

My 2 cents...

[Artworks]

Here are my two cents too!

I have had horrid pain from my knees before and was told by a shaitsu practioner that this reflects the kidneys, the meridian line runs up the inner side

of the leg, is it tender? My knees started aching and burning like crazy when I started the doses, after a week or so they have calmed down.

[genevieve]

Eram--

I read Daniels' info re turpentine and she says to take it a couple times a week. Perhaps you overdid it?

Wishing you well--FAST.


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[Eram]

Thank you all for your response.

Today, the knee was much better. Less pain and less heat.

There's much to be said for it to be some sort of healing crisis indeed and my intuition and that of my girlfriend point in that direction too.
I think I will take my own advice (that I gave to snowflower) and continue to take the turp no more then 2 times a week (I did it 5 times in 8 days so far, 1 teaspoon on some sugar)

Someone suggested that I might be sensitive to turp as one takes the energy boosts that I get from them as evidence, so maybe I should lower the dose to 1/2 a teaspoon as well.

[Sir Eltor]

I'd like to thank Sigma6 and all who have contributed to this thread .

I'm in good health and have always been active , but have devoured my share of crappy foods

over the years . Last night was my first dosage of the turp ( 30 mins before bed ) .I used white granulated sugar , 1 tsp of turp. and some water to wash it down .

No problem with the sweet taste of pine

I'd have to say I was more energetic and clear headed at work today . Soon will be dosage # 2 , pretty damn excited . Will update .

[Czarek]

Hi friends,

I am in a bit of a though spot and I don't know how to proceed.


after a few days.... I noticed that my calves where hurting and cramping.

So, now there is inflammation that hurts like hell (where the inflammations in the past didn't hurt really), there is no swelling (where in the past my knees would swell up like ... well..)


I don't know how to interpret my current situation.
I'm certain that the worsening of my knees is due to the turp, but I don't know if it is because of a healing situation or the turp is attacking the muscles in my calves, causing the tendons in my knee to inflame (again).

I just don't have enough information form an opinion.

I have not taken turp yet, having trouble getting through at least a week of Dr. Daniel's recommended diet. :( I noticed that on 4th day of this diet I developed pain in my left lower calf. It felt like a blood clot (DVT)! I don't have any health problems. I should also mention that as soon as I stopped eating meat, raw eggs yolks, kefir, whey...etc. my body went into auto cleansing mode. I felt few lymph nodes enlarge (my lymphs where draining all over!) I had to go to the bathroom at least 2x more/day...Strange!

[Snowflower]

Things started happening. Finally. I kept it up, doing the turp sometimes daily, sometimes taking a break of a day or two. So, some hard to cope with, some good. Healing crisis: skin rash, leg pain. Good results: greater brain clarity, losing fuzzy brain symptoms, less pain in joints. Going to keep it up.
Cheers.

[Eram]

So good to hear that snowflower.
That you feel things are happening I mean.
I am happy for you.

It wouldn't surprise me that in the long run you can accomplish a lot with this as long that you pay attention to what you body is telling you and avoid to overdoing it.

We (my girlfriend and me) took a little break from the turp since we are both doing an iboga session this week.
As a matter of fact, at this moment she is doing hers and I am her sitter.

[sian]

also pleased to hear you stuck to it sunflower, well done.

been having subtle results my self. been experiencing a little less brain fog. noticing that my bladder is clearing, what seems to be small white flex of tissue (might be the wall of bladder shedding Candida lining). been using an old clear glass pudding bowl, lets say, won't be using it in the kitchen again!

after a couple of days of taking a tsp, upped it to 2tsps per day, gona keep this dose going for at least another week. i have a few neurological problems, sensations of nerve ends burning in my head and esophagus all the time, diet and sensible eating habits don't seem to alleviate the problems, a clean out seems to be the best option, clean slate so to speak.

All the best to everyone:)

[Snowflower]

I've added salt water flushing to the regimen, because I decided I needed to do a major cleansing of my entire system if the turp was going to have a chance to kill anything off without killing me, lol. I'm thinking about doing a master cleanse as well. Thought I might start this morning, but the timing isn't right. I think it's a combination of flushing things out and killing off beasties.