The Borax Conspiracy

[Shannow]

I buy Nexus every issue, and this article just rang rue as making sense.

http://nexusmagazine.co.nz/resources/1904borax.pdf

Made even more sense, as the Borax that I'd been walking past every time I went shopping for a decade was sitting there with "discontinued item" labels on it, so I bought the last 3 lb...enough to last me a lifetime at a pinch per day...interesting too in that it was only days after they introduced fluoride to the local water supply, against opposition even from local dentists.


The strong antifungal action of boric acid is, of course, the reason why it has traditionally been used as a food preservative.

Borax, similar to the equally endangered Lugol's iodine solution, can also be used to remove accumulated fluoride and heavy metals from the body (14). Fluoride not only causes bones to deteriorate, but also the pineal gland to calcify and the thyroid to become underactive. Borax reacts with fluoride ions to form boron fluorides which are then excreted in the urine.

In a Chinese study borax was used to treat 31 patients with skeletal fluorosis. The amount was gradually increased from 300 to 1100 mg/day during a three month period, with one week off each month. The treatment was effective with 50 to 80% improvement.

Same old Same old, removed from the shelves because it is toxic (and the hypochlorite bleach next to it isn't even more so ???)....

From the article...


Toxicity Issues

Government health agencies are concerned about boron toxicity. You might be concerned as well if you read the following, pertaining to sodium chloride or table salt (17): 'Acute oral toxicity (LD50 - the dose at which half of the tested animals die): 3,000 mg/kg [Rat]. Chronic Effects on Humans: Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact, ingestion or inhalation. Lowest Published Lethal Oral Dose in Man: 1000 mg/kg. Causes adverse reproductive effects in humans (fetotoxicity, abortion) by intraplacental route, may increase risk of Toxemia of Pregnancy in susceptible women. May cause adverse reproductive effects and birth defects in animals, particularly rats and mice - fetotoxicity, abortion, musculoskeletal abnormalities, and maternal effects (on ovaries, fallopian tubes).
May affect genetic material (mutagenic). Ingestion of large quantities can irritate the stomach with nausea and vomiting. May affect behavior (muscle spasicity/contraction, somnolence), sense organs, metabolism, and cardiovascular system. Continued exposure may produce dehydration, internal organ congestion, and coma.'

Now compare the sodium chloride toxicity with the Material Safety Data Sheet or MSDS for borax (18): 'Low acute oral toxicity; LD50 in rats 4,500 to 6,000 mg/kg of body weight. Reproductive/developmental toxicity: Animal feeding studies in rat, mouse and dog, at high doses, have demonstrated effects on fertility and testes. Studies with boric acid in the rat, mouse and rabbit, at high doses, demonstrate developmental effects on the fetus, including fetal weight loss and minor skeletal variations. The doses administered were many times in excess of those to which humans would normally be exposed. No evidence of carcinogenicity in mice. No mutagenic activity was observed in a battery of short-term mutagenicity assays. Human epidemiological studies show no increase in pulmonary disease in occupational populations with chronic exposures to borate dust and no effect on fertility.'

[Violet]

Thanks, and let's also make a clear difference between borax (sodium tetraborate) and boric acid (Trihydrooxidoboron).

They are not synonyms.

[Bubu]

Thanks, and let's also make a clear difference between borax (sodium tetraborate) and boric acid (Trihydrooxidoboron).

They are not synonyms.

can we take boric acid orally in case there is no borax?

[Anchor]

Borax is very hard to get in Australia now. I tried to get some to fertilize my Olive Groves, but I had to settle on another product ( http://www.nutri-tech.com.au/products/liquid-fertilisers/nutri-key-boron-shuttle.html ) a synthetic liquid with high boron availability - a foliar treatment.

Australian soil is often deficient in Boron and this is an ever present problem for many farmers.

This looks interesting and I may try it this year as I am moving toward a total 100% organic approach.

http://www.australianhumates.com/blog/an-easier-safer-method-for-boron-fertilizer/

If all farmers had the correct Boron content in the soil, the produce would grow well and then itself have good boron levels and then the rest of us would not need to be concerned with scoffing boron supplements :)

[sigma6]

same reason why they add chemicals to "hydrogen peroxide" to turn it into a poison, since they can't make it illegal...
I wonder if it's against the law for them to make pure hydrogen peroxide with only filtered water? (besides the food grade which costs 10x as much...)

If a manufacturer ever figured that out... "suggested" it's purity on his label. he could take a larger percentage of market share I believe...
I know I'd buy it by the carton...

another lie exposed, this has been a good week, I just pulled the lid off original turpentine and kerosene as effective anti-fungal agents... all good signs that the awakening to truth is coming...

would like more info on that bit about the difference between boric acid and borax, which is which?...

[Shannow]

Borax is very hard to get in Australia now. I tried to get some to fertilize my Olive Groves, but I had to settle on another product ( http://www.nutri-tech.com.au/products/liquid-fertilisers/nutri-key-boron-shuttle.html ) a synthetic liquid with high boron availability - a foliar treatment.

Australian soil is often deficient in Boron and this is an ever present problem for many farmers.

This looks interesting and I may try it this year as I am moving toward a total 100% organic approach.

http://www.australianhumates.com/blog/an-easier-safer-method-for-boron-fertilizer/

If all farmers had the correct Boron content in the soil, the produce would grow well and then itself have good boron levels and then the rest of us would not need to be concerned with scoffing boron supplements :)

TPTB don't want you to correct the boron levels in your soil. There's a relatively cheap soil ameliorative that's available for a couple bucks a tonne, within 100 miles of Sydney, and they cite boron toxicity as a reason for not allowing it on agriculture.

[Sidney]

same reason why they add chemicals to "hydrogen peroxide" to turn it into a poison, since they can't make it illegal...
I wonder if it's against the law for them to make pure hydrogen peroxide with only filtered water? (besides the food grade which costs 10x as much...)

If a manufacturer ever figured that out... "suggested" it's purity on his label. he could take a larger percentage of market share I believe...
I know I'd buy it by the carton...

another lie exposed, this has been a good week, I just pulled the lid off original turpentine and kerosene as effective anti-fungal agents... all good signs that the awakening to truth is coming...

would like more info on that bit about the difference between boric acid and borax, which is which?...

I found this article regarding the difference in the make up of boric acid and borax.

http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-boric-acid-and-vs-borax/

Difference Between Boric Acid and Borax
Apr 30th, 2012 | By Dunee

Boric Acid vs Borax

Boron is the element with the symbol B. It is the 5th element in the periodic table with the electron configuration 1s2 2s2 2p1. Boron is a metalloid. The atomic mass of boron is 10.81. Naturally boron doesn’t exist by itself. Rather, it combines with oxygen to form boric acid, or it combines with other elements like sodium to make salts like borax. Boron is an essential micronutrient especially for plants, and it is needed for humans too.
Boric Acid
Boric acid, which is a compound containing boron, hydrogen, and oxygen, has the molecular formula of H3BO3. It is shown as B(OH)3too. It is also known as boracic acid, orthoboric acid, and hydrogen borate. This is a naturally occurring compound. Boric acid exists as solid crystals, which are white. It may exist as a white powder too. In the crystal, layers of B(OH)3 are held together by hydrogen bonds. They are odorless and tasteless. Boric acid is a weak acid, and it dissolves in water, but boric acid doesn’t dissociate in water and release protons as a Bronsted acid. Rather it interacts with water and forms the tetrahydroxyborate ion and acts as a Lewis acid. Melting point of boric acid is 170.9 °C, and the boiling point is 300 °C. Boric acid is naturally present in most foods. Usually fruits, vegetables, grains, and nuts have a high amount of boron. So boron, which is needed for animals, is coming from the diet. Boric acid is present naturally in the water and the soil too. So plants can also gain the required amount of boron through these sources. Boric acid is found in districts like Nevada, Lipari Islands where volcanic activity is present. It is also found in minerals like borax, boracites and colemanite. Boric acid can be prepared by borax, and it was first prepared by Wilhelm Homberg. Boric acid is used as an antiseptic in medicine to treat minor burns, cuts, acne etc. It is a well-known insecticide to control termites, fleas, cockroaches, and many other insects. Boric acid is also used as a flame retardant, neutron absorber or as a precursor to produce other chemical compounds.
Borax
Borax is a mineral which is a sodium salt of a boron containing compound. It has the formula of Na2B4O7.10H2O. It is also known as sodium tetraborate, disodium tetraborate or sodium borate. The mineral is a solid, soft crystal. Though the formula shows ten water molecules, there can be crystals accompanied with varying number of water molecules. The term “borax” is used to refer all these compounds. Although it is a colorless crystal, sometimes it may have brown, yellow, or green colors. Borax easily dissolves in water. It is used widely for a variety of uses. For example, it is used in detergent, cosmetics, and as a fire retardant, anti-fungal compound etc. It is also used to make buffer solution in biochemistry.

What is the difference between Boric Acid and Borax?
• Borax is the sodium salt of boric acid.
• Borax is a mineral containing water molecules whereas boric acid is not a mineral.
• Boric acid can be prepared by borax.



Read more: http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-boric-acid-and-vs-borax/#ixzz2gWrxaeVd

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I have still found borax om shelves down here in Melbourne... Will keep my eyes on it. thanks all

[Bubu]

Here are some claims about borax and its health benefits. Further there are no media hype as to its health benefits. Could it be the real deal? Will love to hear your inputs.

https://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/doc_view/227-the-borax-conspiracy

[Bubu]

Health Effects of Boron
Due to their content of boron, borax and boric acid have basically the same health effects, with good antiseptic, antifungal, and antiviral properties but only mild antibacterial action. In plants as well as animals boron is essential for the integrity and function of cell walls, and the way signals are transmitted across membranes.
Boron is distributed throughout the body with the highest concentration in the parathyroid glands, followed by bones and dental enamel. It is essential for healthy bone and joint function, regulating the absorption and metabolism of calcium, magnesium and phosphorus through its influence on the parathyroid glands. With this boron is for the parathyroids what iodine is for the thyroid.
Boron deficiency causes the parathyroids to become overactive, releasing too much parathyroid hormone which raises the blood level of calcium by releasing calcium from bones and teeth. This then leads to osteoarthritis and other forms of arthritis, osteoporosis and tooth decay. With advancing age high blood levels of calcium lead to calcification of soft tissues causing muscle contractions and stiffness; calcification of endocrine glands, especially the pineal gland and the ovaries; arteriosclerosis, kidney stones, and calcification of the kidneys ultimately leading to kidney failure. Boron deficiency combined with magnesium deficiency is especially damaging to the bones and teeth.
Boron affects the metabolism of steroid hormones, and especially of sex hormones. It increases low testosterone levels in men and oestrogen levels in menopausal women. It also has a role in converting vitamin D to its active form, thus increasing calcium uptake and deposition into bone and teeth rather than causing soft tissue to calcify. Also other beneficial effects have been reported such as improvement of heart problems, vision, psoriasis, balance, memory and cognition.
The German cancer researcher Dr Paul-Gerhard Seeger has shown that cancer commonly starts with the deterioration of cell membranes. As boron is essential for cell membranes and boron deficiency widespread, this may be an important cause for the initiation of tumour growth. Boron compounds have anti-tumour properties and are "potent anti-osteoporotic, anti-inflammatory, hypolipemic, anti-coagulant and anti-neoplastic agents" (1).

[ThePythonicCow]

Here are some claims about borax and its health benefits. Further there are no media hype as to its health benefits. Could it be the real deal? Will love to hear your inputs.

https://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/doc_view/227-the-borax-conspiracy

Thanks for posting this excellent article of Walter Last's, about borax, an excellent source of boron. I linked to your post above from my thread on making healthy drinking water: How to "make" healthy water: filters, minerals and energy -- Post #38 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96793-How-to-make-healthy-water-filters-minerals-and-energy&p=1143436&viewfull=1#post1143436).

[Bill Ryan]

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[Olaf]

Boron status of my patients (n = 62)
all German residents:

>100% 5
>90% 2
>80% 7
>70% 5
<=60 39

63% of my patients have boron levels below 60% (a level of 100% marks the middle of the range that should be reached by a healthy person).

So more than every second patient has a strong deficiency of boron.

Measured by mass spectroscopic trace element analyses in hair.
Values below 60% cannot be differentiated, because they are to small (can mean any level between 10% and 60%).

[Nenuphar]

Thank you for bumping this thread - I wasn't aware of it until today, and the subject matter is timely for me.

[Hym]

Boron status of my patients (n = 62)
all German residents:

>100% 5
>90% 2
>80% 7
>70% 5
<=60 39

63% of my patients have boron levels below 60% (a level of 100% marks the middle of the range that should be reached by a healthy person).

So more than every second patient has a strong deficiency of boron.

Measured by mass spectroscopic trace element analyses in hair.
Values below 60% cannot be differentiated, because they are to small (can mean any level between 10% and 60%).

Olaf, What is your recommendation for the daily ingestion of borax for the average person?

Thanks, Hym

[Arcturian108]

The article in Nexus Magazine is behind a paywall, and costs about a $1.50 when I searched for it about a year ago. I have been ingesting Borax in small amounts for about 10 years since reading that article, and it has definitely reversed my incipient osteoarthritis. I had no idea though, that it also reverses fluoride accumulation in the body. So that is a big bonus!

In rereading the article recently I saw that a "Mother bottle" of about a liter should have a heaping teaspoon of Borax in it, and then take a teaspoon of that water daily to start the process, and adjust to your personal needs.

[Olaf]

Olaf, What is your recommendation for the daily ingestion of borax for the average person?


That is one of my personal research projects.
What I can tell so far is, that 3 patients acchieved almost no improvement in boron levels with an intake auf 3 mg per day. 0...1% improvement per month.

I have never used borax, because it is banned in the EU.

Currently I work with 12 mg per day (natures way boron complex), but I have no control measurements with that.
Many of my patients have no money or even less... so they can make a trace element analysis only once.

[AriG]

Why not just take a boron supplement versus ingesting laundry detergent?

https://www.amazon.com/Trace-Minerals-Liquid-Ionic-Boron/dp/B001ECXJ5Q?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-iphone-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B001ECXJ5Q

[Arcturian108]

I read recently that the boron supplement is much less effective than taking the laundry detergent (Borax).

[AriG]

I read recently that the boron supplement is much less effective than taking the laundry detergent (Borax).

Are you effing kidding me? What in the name of all that is holy has happened to this supposed thinking person’s forum that I am actually reading this absolute nonsense?! Anyone who injests cleaning grade borax is an absolute moron. Hands down! Wake up people, you’re being played!

A somewhat related example for anyone out there with a semblance of grey matter still in tact:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+tide+pod+challenge&t=iphone&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=h7J5hmuQsKw

[AriG]

And for the record, true boron, not borax, is extraterrestrial in nature. Only known source being meteors. So yes, in measured doses it is effective, but when it is bastardized with toxins, it is deadly.

[Olaf]

And for the record, true boron, not borax, is extraterrestrial in nature.

Are not all chemical elements extraterrestrial in nature, because they were produced in stellar processes?
Of course there are small amounts of elements that result from radioactive decay on earth.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the original Borax Conspiracy article:


http://educate-yourself.org/cn/boraxconspiracy03jul12.shtml

The Borax Conspiracy
Big Pharma's Latest Ploy to Outlaw a Natural Cure for Arthritis, Osteoporosis and Tooth Decay


[Editor's Note: You will discover that one can safely ingest a small quantity of Borax dissolved in water and supplement your body with an adequate amount of an organic (absorbable) form of boron, which will both prevent and overcome most forms of arthritis, osteoporosis (bone loss and the thinning of bone density), and reverse the loosening, falling out, and decay of teeth, especially in older people. In addition to helping the body keep your calcium inside your bones where it belongs, Borax supplementation can displace fluoride out of your body (where it doesn't belong). Other advantages of organic boron supplementation are explained in the article....Ken Adachi]



By Walter Last
July 3, 2012

The Borax Conspiracy: Big Pharma's Latest Ploy to Outlaw a Natural Cure for Arthritis, Osteoporosis and Tooth Decay (July 6, 2012)

(http://educate-yourself.org/cn/boraxconspiracy03jul12.shtml)

Published in the June/July 2012 issue of Nexus magazine

Original title:
How the Arthritis Cure has been Stopped


http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm

~~~



You may not be able to imagine that Borax, this humble insecticide and laundry detergent, has the potential of singlehandedly bringing down our entire economic system. But you do not need to worry, the danger has been recognised and the necessary steps are already being taken to defuse the situation. I will start with the basics and you will understand what I mean as the story unfolds.



Borax is a naturally occurring and mined mineral salt and the source of other manufactured boron compounds. The main deposits are in Turkey and California. Chemical names are


sodium tetraborate decahydrate,
disodium tetraborate decahydrate, or simply
sodium borate.


This means it contains four atoms of boron as its central feature combined with two sodium atoms and ten molecules (or sometimes less) of crystallisation water. Therefore, borax is the sodium salt of the weak boric acid. Because sodium is more strongly alkaline, this makes a solution of borax strongly alkaline with a pH between 9 and 10 (pH 7 is neutral). When ingested, it reacts with hydrochloric acid in the stomach to form boric acid and sodium chloride (table salt). The boron content of Borax is 11.3% while for boric acid it is 17.5% or about 50% higher. Ingested boron compounds are rapidly and nearly completely excreted with the urine.



Formerly, boric acid was widely used as a preservative in foods, but is now banned for this purpose in most countries, and is also banned from public sale in Australia.



According to conventional medicine, it is not known if boron is essential for humans, but research shows that we do need it. The reason why it was difficult to answer this question is the presence of boron in all plants and unprocessed foods. Diets with a fair amount of fruit and vegetables provide about 2 to 5 mg of boron per day, but this also depends on the region where the food was grown and how it was grown.



In reality the average intake in developed countries is 1-2 mg of boron per day. Institutionalized patients may receive only 0.25 mg of daily boron. Chemical fertilizers inhibit the uptake of boron from the soil: an organic apple grown in good soil may have 20 mg boron, but if grown with fertilizer it may have only 1 mg of boron. Fertilizers combined with poor food choices have greatly reduced our boron intake compared to 50 or 100 years ago.



Further, unhealthy cooking methods greatly reduce the availability of boron from food. The cooking water of vegetables containing most of the minerals may be discarded during home cooking or commercial processing; phytic acid in baked goods, cereals and cooked legumes may greatly reduce availability, while gluten sensitivity and Candida overgrowth inhibit the absorption of minerals. All this makes health problems due to boron deficiency now very common.



Health Effects of Boron



Due to their content of boron, borax and boric acid have basically the same health effects, with good antiseptic, antifungal, and antiviral properties, but only mild antibacterial action. In plants as well as animals, boron is essential for the integrity and function of cell walls, and the way signals are transmitted across membranes.



Boron is distributed throughout the body with the highest concentration in the parathyroid glands, followed by bones and dental enamel. It is essential for healthy bone and joint function, regulating the absorption and metabolism of calcium, magnesium and phosphorus through its influence on the parathyroid glands. With this, boron is for the parathyroids what iodine is for the thyroid.



Boron deficiency causes the parathyroids to become overactive, releasing too much parathyroid hormone which raises the blood level of calcium by releasing calcium from bones and teeth. This then leads to osteoarthritis and other forms of arthritis, osteoporosis and tooth decay. With advancing age, high blood levels of calcium lead to calcification of soft tissues causing muscle contractions and stiffness; calcification of endocrine glands, especially the pineal gland and the ovaries; arteriosclerosis, kidney stones, and calcification of the kidneys ultimately leading to kidney failure. Boron deficiency combined with magnesium deficiency is especially damaging to the bones and teeth.



Boron affects the metabolism of steroid hormones, and especially of sex hormones. It increases low testosterone levels in men and oestrogen levels in menopausal women. It also has a role in converting vitamin D to its active form, thus increasing calcium uptake and deposition into bone and teeth rather than causing soft tissue to calcify. Also other beneficial effects have been reported such as improvement of heart problems, vision, psoriasis, balance, memory and cognition.



The German cancer researcher Dr Paul-Gerhard Seeger has shown that cancer commonly starts with the deterioration of cell membranes. As boron is essential for cell membranes and boron deficiency widespread, this may be an important cause for the initiation of tumour growth. Boron compounds have anti-tumour properties and are "potent anti-osteoporotic, anti-inflammatory, hypolipemic, anti-coagulant and anti-neoplastic agents" (1).



This overview shows the wide-ranging influence of boron on our health. In the following I want to describe some of these health effects in greater detail.



The Arthritis Cure of Rex Newnham



In the 1960's, Rex Newnham, Ph.D., D.O., N.D, developed arthritis. At that time he was a soil and plant scientist in Perth, Western Australia. Conventional drugs did not help, so he looked for the cause into the chemistry of plants. He realized that plants in that area were rather mineral deficient. Knowing that boron aids calcium metabolism in plants he decided to try it. He started taking 30 mg of borax a day, and in three weeks all pain, swelling and stiffness had disappeared.



He told public health and medical school authorities about his discovery, but they were not interested. However, some people with arthritis were delighted as they improved. Others were scared to take something with a poison label on the container and meant to kill cockroaches and ants. Eventually, he had tablets made with a safe and effective quantity of borax.



Within five years and only by word of mouth he sold 10,000 bottles a month. He could no longer cope and asked a drug company to market it. That was a major mistake. They indicated that this would replace more expensive drugs and reduce their profits. It so happened that they had representatives on government health committees and arranged that in 1981, Australia instituted a regulation that declared boron and its compounds to be poisons in any concentration. He was fined $1000 for selling a poison, and this successfully stopped his arthritis cure from spreading in Australia. (2)



Subsequently he published several scientific papers on borax and arthritis. One was a double-blind trial in the mid 1980's at the Royal Melbourne Hospital which showed that 70% of those who completed the trial were greatly improved. Only 12% improved when on placebo. There were no negative side-effects, but some reported that their heart ailment had also improved, and there was better general health and less tiredness. (3)



Most of his later research was devoted to the relationship between soil boron levels and arthritis. He found, for instance that the traditional sugarcane islands, due to long-term heavy use of fertilizers, have very low soil-boron levels. Jamaica has the lowest level and arthritis rates are about 70%. He noted that even most dogs were limping. Next comes Mauritius with very low boron levels and 50% arthritis. The daily boron intake in these countries is less than 1 mg/day. An interesting comparison is between Indian and native Fijians. The Indians are estimated to have an arthritis rate of about 40% and eat much rice grown with fertilizer while the native Fijians with an estimated arthritis rate of 10% eat mainly starchy root vegetables grown privately without fertilizer.



The US, England, Australia and New Zealand generally have average soil-boron levels with an estimated intake of 1 to 2 mg of boron and arthritis rates of about 20%. But Carnarvon in Western Australia has high boron levels in soil and water, and the arthritis rate is only 1%. It is similar in a place called Ngawha Springs in New Zealand with very high boron levels in the spa water which is curative for arthritis. Actually all spas reputedly curing arthritis have very high boron levels. These are also high in Israel with an estimated daily boron intake of 5 to 8 mg and only 0.5 - 1% arthritis.



Bone analysis showed that arthritic joints and nearby bones had only half the boron content of healthy joints. Equally, synovial fluid that lubricates joints and provides nutrients to the cartilage is boron deficient in arthritic joints. After boron supplementation, bones were much harder than normal and surgeons found them more difficult to saw through. With additional boron, bone fractures heal in about half the normal time in both man and animal. Horses and dogs with broken legs, or even a broken pelvis, have fully recovered.



Borax is also effective with other forms of arthritis, such as Rheumatoid Arthritis, Juvenile Arthritis, and Lupus (Systemic Lupus Erythematosus). For instance Dr Newnham saw a young girl aged 9 months with juvenile arthritis. He was able to cure her in 2 weeks.



He wrote that people can commonly get rid of their pain, swelling and stiffness in about 1 to 3 months. Then they can reduce treatment from 3 to 1 boron tablet (each 3 mg) per day as a maintenance dose so that they can avoid any future arthritis. He also stated that patients with rheumatoid arthritis commonly experienced a Herxheimer reaction [healing reaction],and that this is always a good prognostic sign. They must persevere and in another 2 or 3 weeks the pain, swelling and stiffness will be gone. (4,5)



I found this statement not only interesting, but also surprising. The Herxheimer reaction is an early aggravation of symptoms with increased pain. It is commonly due to toxins released by killed Candida and mycoplasma. This is very common with antimicrobial therapy, and borax definitely is an exceptionally good and strong fungicide. What surprises me, however, is that this fungicidal effect is already present at this rather low dose of 75 to 90 mg of borax. Equally surprising is the finding that also up to 30% of those with osteoarthritis experienced a Herxheimer reaction, suggesting that the border between osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis is rather fluid. I believe that in long-standing and especially resistant cases it will be advisable to use other antimicrobials in addition. For co-factors in arthritis treatment also see my article Arthritis and Rheumatism or the booklet OVERCOMING ARTHRITIS.



Osteoporosis and Sex Hormones



Boron deficiency causes greatly increased amounts of calcium and magnesium to be lost with the urine. A borax supplement will reduce the daily loss of calcium by nearly 50%. As this calcium comes mainly from resorbed bone and teeth, boron deficiency may be the most important factor in causing osteoporosis and tooth decay.



It has been estimated that 55% of Americans over 50 have osteoporosis and of these about 80% are women. Worldwide, 1 in 3 women and 1 in 12 men over the age of 50 may have osteoporosis, and this is responsible for millions of fractures each year. Rats with osteoporosis were given a boron supplement for 30 days with the result that their bone quality was now comparable with that of the healthy control group and of a group supplemented with oestradiol (6).



The beneficial effect of borax on bones seems to be due to two interrelated effects: a higher boron content of the bones which makes them harder, and a normalisation of sex hormones which stimulates the growth of new bone. Low oestrogen levels after menopause are thought to be the main reason why so many older women develop osteoporosis. In men, testosterone levels decline more gradually which seems to be reflected in their later onset of osteoporosis as a group.



Research has now shown that boron supplementation in postmenopausal women doubles the blood level of the most active form of oestrogen, 17-beta oestradiol, to the level found in women on oestrogen replacement therapy. Equally, the blood levels of testosterone more than doubled (7). With HRT [hormone replacement therapy] there is a higher risk of breast or endometrial cancer which is not known to happen with hormones produced by the body as with borax supplementation.



Some women get premenstrual problems because oestrogen levels are too high and progesterone too low, and therefore may be afraid of using boron. However, I found no evidence that boron raises oestrogen above normal healthy levels. Boron may balance levels of sex hormones similar to the action of maca root powder. Maca acts on the pituitary gland not only to increase, but also to balance our sex hormones and seems to stimulate our own progesterone production as needed.



A recent study in younger men (29 - 50) showed that the level of free testosterone (the form that matters most) had risen by one third after a daily supplementation of about 100 mg of borax for one week (8). This is of special interest for bodybuilders.



Contrary to the medical preference of chemically castrating men with prostate cancer, research with boron has shown that elevated testosterone levels are beneficial by shrinking prostate tumours and PSA levels, PSA [prostate specific antigen] being a marker for tumours and inflammation in the prostate. Also, significantly improved memory and cognition in elderly individuals may be partly due to increased levels of sex hormones and partly to improved membrane functions of brain cells (9).



I have been asked about boron supplementation for women with oestrogen-sensitive breast cancer. Breast cancer is related to calcifications in the breast. In my opinion, it is more important to normalize the calcium-magnesium metabolism and cellular membrane functions rather than feel restricted by a possibly faulty medical concept, especially as I believe that cancer can usually be controlled with long-term antimicrobial therapy. Therefore I would use boron as well as maca in this case.



Fungi and Fluoride



Being such an excellent fungicide, it is not surprising that borax is being successfully used to treat Candida. There is much interesting information on an Earth Clinic forum called Borax Cures (10). With low to medium-weight people use 1/8 teaspoon of borax powder and with heavier weight 1/4 teaspoon per litre of water. One drinks the water spaced out during the day, and does this for 4 or 5 days a week as long as required.



Many contributors wrote that it cured or greatly helped them. So for instance this post: "I also have psoriasis, so maybe the soreness in my joints is the psoriatic arthritis creeping in. I thought, after reading about borax here on this forum, I would give it a try. OMG! In one day, the soreness in my knees has vanished! .... Also, my psoriasis seems a lot better after 2 days drinking 1/4 tsp borax in 1 litre of water per day."



Another one about toe fungus: "He wet his feet and then took a handful (of borax) and rubbed it all over his feet. He said it stopped itching immediately! He was stunned. A few weeks later I asked him how his athletes foot was and he said: oh wow! it hasn't come back! that stuff totally cured it !!!"



Other enthusiastic posts were about vaginal thrush [candida]. Borax appeared to be more effective than other remedies. Commonly, one large gelatine capsule filled with borax or boric acid was inserted at bedtime for several nights or up to 2 weeks. Alternatively the powder can be mixed with cool solidified coconut oil as a bolus or suppository.



A recent scientific study (11) confirms these positive observations with vaginal thrush. Boric acid at the dose of a filled capsule worked even in cases of drug-resistant Candida and against all the tested pathogenic bacteria. Because of the greater dilution, a douche may not be strong enough for bacteria and drug-resistant Candida, but it should work for normal Candida. Borax, due to its alkalinity, was more effective than boric acid.



In normal healthy conditions, Candida exists as harmless oval yeast cells. When challenged, chains of elongated cells called pseudohyphae develop, and finally strongly invasive long, narrow and tube-like filaments called hyphae. These damage the intestinal wall, and cause inflammation and Leaky Gut Syndrome.



Pseudohyphae and hyphae can be seen in the blood of individuals with cancer and autoimmune diseases. Candida can also form tough layers of biofilm. This same study shows that boric acid/borax inhibits the formation of biofilms and also the transformation of harmless yeast cells into invasive hyphal form. In other articles, I have shown that this process, commonly initiated by antibiotics, is a basic cause of most of our modern diseases, and this makes borax and boric acid primary health remedies. But this article shows that there are many more reasons to give them a top rating.



A scientific review in 2011 concluded: "... boric acid is a safe, alternative, economic option for women with recurrent and chronic symptoms of vaginitis when conventional treatment fails..." (12). But as it is so much better than drugs, why not use it as a first option, or use the even more effective borax?



Another study from Turkey (13) shows the protective effect of boric acid on food contaminated with mycotoxins, especially fungal aflatoxins. Among these, Aflatoxin B1 (AFB1) causes extensive DNA damage and is the most potent carcinogen ever tested, especially affecting liver and lungs, also causing birth defects, immunotoxicity and even death in farm animals and humans.



Boric acid treatment was protective and led to increased resistance of DNA to oxidative damage induced by AFB1. The strong antifungal action of boric acid is, of course, the reason why it has traditionally been used as a food preservative.



Borax, similar to the equally endangered Lugol's iodine solution, can also be used to remove accumulated fluoride and heavy metals from the body (14). Fluoride not only causes bones to deteriorate, but also the pineal gland to calcify and the thyroid to become underactive. Borax reacts with fluoride ions to form boron fluorides which are then excreted in the urine.



In a Chinese study, borax was used to treat 31 patients with skeletal fluorosis. The amount was gradually increased from 300 to 1100 mg/day during a three month period, with one week off each month. The treatment was effective with 50 to 80% improvement.



One forum contributor suffered with Fibromyalgia/Rosacea, chronic fatigue and TMJ for over 10 years which she believed were caused by fluoride. She used 1/8 tsp of borax and 1/8 tsp of sea salt in a litre of de-chlorinated water, and drank this for 5 days each week. Within two weeks her face cleared, the redness faded, body temperature normalized, energy level increased, and she steadily lost excess weight. The only side-effect was an initial aggravation of her Rosacea symptoms.



Another post: "7 years ago thyroid cancer, the next year adrenal fatigue, then early menopause, the following year uterine prolapse followed by hysterectomy - the following year fibromyalgia and neuropathy. Early Childhood was fluorinated water along with fluoride tablets. Fall of 2008 I was looking at total disability. I could barely walk and couldn't sleep because of the pain and was throwing up daily from the pain in my back. ... After reading about fluoride I came to understand where all of my problems originated. ... I began the borax detox of 1/8 tsp in a litre of water and within 3 days my symptoms were almost gone."



Calcium-Magnesium Metabolism



There is antagonism as well as cooperation between calcium and magnesium. About half of the total body magnesium is found in bones and the other half inside the cells of tissues and organs. Only 1% is in the blood. The kidneys try to keep this level constant by excreting more or less with the urine.



In contrast, 99% of calcium is in bones, and the rest in the fluid outside of cells. Muscles contract when calcium moves into the cells, and they relax when calcium is again pumped out and magnesium moves in. This cellular pump requires much energy to pump calcium out, and if cells are low in energy, then calcium may accumulate inside cells. Low cellular energy may be due to Candida, faulty sugar or fat metabolism, deficiencies, or accumulating metabolic wastes and toxins.



This then leads to only partial relaxation of the muscles with stiffness, a tendency to cramps, and poor blood and lymph circulation. The problem gets worse the more calcium moves from bones into soft tissue. Nerve cells can also accumulate calcium, leading to faulty nerve transmission. In the eye lens, it causes cataracts. Hormonal output keeps reducing as endocrine glands increasingly calcify and all other cells become handicapped in their normal functions. In addition, it causes intracellular magnesium deficiency. Magnesium is needed to activate countless enzymes, and a deficiency leads to inefficient and blocked energy production.



A further problem is that excess calcium damages the cell membrane and makes it difficult for nutrients to move in and wastes to move out. When the intracellular calcium level gets too high, the cell will die.



Here we can see the importance of boron as a regulator of cell membrane functions, especially in regard to movements of calcium and magnesium. With boron deficiency, too much calcium moves into the cell while magnesium cannot move inside to displace it. This is the condition of old age and of the boron-deficiency diseases leading up to it.



While in good health and especially in younger years, a calcium - magnesium ratio of 2 : 1 is normal and beneficial and supplied with a good diet. But with increasing age, boron deficiency and resulting disease conditions, we need progressively less calcium and more magnesium.



For boron to be fully effective in reversing tissue calcification, ample magnesium is required. For elderly individuals, I recommend 400 to 600 mg of magnesium together with the daily borax supplementation spaced out during the day, and with protracted joint problems additional trans-dermal magnesium. However, oral magnesium may need to be adjusted according to its laxative effect.

I am doubtful whether calcium supplements are needed and beneficial, even in case of osteoporosis. In my view these individuals have plenty of calcium stored in soft tissues where it does not belong, and supplementing boron and magnesium is expected to redeposit this misplaced calcium into bones. I regard the medical focus on a high calcium intake as a prescription for accelerated aging.



What and How Much to Use



In some countries (e.g. Australia, NZ, USA), borax can still be found in the laundry and cleaning sections of supermarkets. There is no "food-grade" borax available or necessary. The label usually states that it is 99% pure which is safe to use, and is the legal standard for agricultural grade borax. Up to 1% mining and refining residues are permitted. Boric acid, if available, may be used at about the dose of borax.



Firstly, dissolve a lightly rounded teaspoonful (5-6 grams) of borax in 1 litre of good quality water free of chlorine and fluoride. This is your concentrated solution. Keep the bottle out of reach of small children.




Standard dose = 1 teaspoon (5 ml) of concentrate. This has 25 to 30 mg of borax and provides about 3 mg of boron. Take 1 dose per day mixed with drink or food. If that feels right then take a second dose with another meal. If there is no specific health problem or as a maintenance dose you may continue indefinitely with 1 or 2 doses daily.



If you do have a problem, such as arthritis, osteoporosis and related conditions, menopause, stiffness due to advancing years, and also to improve low sex hormone production, increase intake to 3 or more spaced-out standard doses for several months or longer until you feel that your problem has sufficiently improved. Then drop back to 1 or 2 doses per day.



If you want to try the higher doses recommended by Earth Clinic for treating Candida and removing fluoride from the body - using your bottle of concentrated solution - then use:



Lower dose for low to normal weight - 100 ml (= 1/8 teaspoon of borax powder); drink spaced out during the day.
Higher dose for heavier individuals - 200 ml (= 1/4 teaspoon of borax powder); drink spaced out during the day.


Always start with a standard dose and increase gradually to the intended maximum. Take the maximum amounts for 4 or 5 days a week as long as required.



Borax is rather alkaline and in higher concentrations has a soapy taste. You may disguise this with lemon juice, vinegar or ascorbic acid. Keep the bottle with the concentrated solution out of reach of small children.



Borax and boric acid have been classified as reproductive poisons in Europe, and since December 2010 are no longer available to the public within the EU.



Presently, borax is still available in Switzerland (15), but shipment to Germany is not permitted. In Germany a small amount (20 - 50 grams) may be ordered through a pharmacy as ant poison (it will be registered).



Boron tablets can be bought from health shops or the Internet, commonly with 3 mg of boron. These contain tightly bound boron not present in ionic form as with borax or boric acid. While suitable as a general boron supplement, I do not expect them to work against Candida and mycoplasmas, or as a quick arthritis, osteoporosis or menopause cure. Most scientific studies and individual experiences were with borax or boric acid. To improve effectiveness, I recommend 3 or more spaced-out boron tablets daily for an extended period combined with sufficient magnesium and a suitable antimicrobial program (16).



Possible Side-Effects



While side-effects from pharmaceutical drugs tend to be negative and often dangerous, with natural medicine, such as borax therapy, these are usually healing reactions with beneficial long-term effects. Most common is the Herxheimer reaction from eliminating Candida.



In some of the above forum posts, rapid improvement was experienced within days. This is always a functional response. High cellular calcium levels cause muscle contraction with cramps or spasms as a common cause of pain. Boron, especially together with magnesium, can rapidly relax these muscles and take away the pain.



However, with long-standing severe calcifications a large amount of calcium cannot be redistributed in a short time. This leads to increased calcium levels in the affected area, especially the hips and shoulders, and can cause problems for a considerable time, such as a tendency to severe cramping and pain, or problems with the blood circulation, or nerve transmission. Nerve-related effects in hands and feet may be numbness, or reduced sensitivity or feeling in the skin. Higher amounts of calcium and fluoride passing through the kidneys may cause temporary kidney pain. Such healing reactions cannot be avoided when aiming for a higher level of health.



Whenever you experience an unpleasant effect reduce or temporarily stop borax intake until the problem subsides. Then gradually start increasing again. Helpful additional measures are a) a greatly increased fluid intake, b) using more organic acids such as lemon juice, ascorbic acid or vinegar, and c) improving lymph flow as with rebounding, walking or inverted positions.



Toxicity Issues



Government health agencies are concerned about boron toxicity. You might be concerned as well if you read the following, pertaining to sodium chloride (or more commonly known as table salt (17):


'Acute oral toxicity (LD50 - the dose at which half of the tested animals die): 3,000 mg/kg [Rat]. Chronic Effects on Humans: Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact, ingestion or inhalation. Lowest Published Lethal Oral Dose in Man: 1000 mg/kg. Causes adverse reproductive effects in humans (fetotoxicity, abortion) by intraplacental route, may increase risk of Toxemia of Pregnancy in susceptible women. May cause adverse reproductive effects and birth defects in animals, particularly rats and mice - fetotoxicity, abortion, musculoskeletal abnormalities, and maternal effects (on ovaries, fallopian tubes). May affect genetic material (mutagenic). Ingestion of large quantities can irritate the stomach with nausea and vomiting. May affect behavior (muscle spasicity/contraction, somnolence), sense organs, metabolism, and cardiovascular system. Continued exposure may produce dehydration, internal organ congestion, and coma.'

Now compare the sodium chloride toxicity with the Material Safety Data Sheet or MSDS for borax (18):


'Low acute oral toxicity; LD50 in rats 4,500 to 6,000 mg/kg of body weight. Reproductive/developmental toxicity: Animal feeding studies in rat, mouse and dog, at high doses, have demonstrated effects on fertility and testes. Studies with boric acid in the rat, mouse and rabbit, at high doses, demonstrate developmental effects on the fetus, including fetal weight loss and minor skeletal variations. The doses administered were many times in excess of those to which humans would normally be exposed. No evidence of carcinogenicity in mice. No mutagenic activity was observed in a battery of short-term mutagenicity assays. Human epidemiological studies show no increase in pulmonary disease in occupational populations with chronic exposures to borate dust and no effect on fertility.'

Here you see that table salt is 50 to 100% more toxic than borax. Table salt changes the genetic material and is mutagenic, while borax is harmless in this regard. Infants are most at risk from high borax ingestion. It has been estimated that 5 to 10 grams can cause severe vomiting, diarrhoea, shock and even death, but it also says that lethal doses are not well documented in the literature.



The following toxicity data are from documents of the US Environmental Protection Agency and the Centers for Disease Control(19, 20).



A review of 784 accidental human poisonings from 10 - 88 grams of boric acid reported no fatalities, with 88% of cases being asymptomatic, meaning they did not notice anything. However, gastrointestinal, cardiovascular, hepatic, renal, and central nervous system effects, dermatitis, erythema, and death have been observed in some children and adults exposed to more than 84 mg boron/kg, corresponding to more than 40 grams of borax for 60 kg of body weight.



Animal studies have identified reproductive toxicity as the most sensitive effects of boron ingestion. Exposure of rats, mice, and dogs for several weeks showed some damage to the testes and sperm at doses of more than 26 mg boron/kg which corresponds to 15 grams of borax/day for 60 kg body weight.



Most at risk is the developing foetus, and in the studied animals rats were most affected. In one study slight reductions in the foetal body weight were already found at 13.7 mg boron/kg/day used during pregnancy. The [has] no effect dose was set at less than 13.7 mg/kg/day corresponding to about 7 grams of borax per day for 60 kg body weight. With an added safety factor, a no effect value of 9.6 mg boron/kg/day was calculated corresponding to 5 grams of borax for 60 kg.



However, a rat study lasting for 3 generations found no reproductive toxicity or effect on the parents or offspring at 30 mg boron/kg/day. This dose corresponds to 17 grams of borax for 60 kg ingested for 3 generations! In another 3-generation study no problem was found at 17.5 mg boron/kg/day, corresponding to 9 grams of borax/60 kg, while the next higher tested dose of 58.5 mg/kg/day, corresponding to 30 grams of borax/60 kg, resulted in infertility. Therefore we can assume that the safe reproductive dose is up to about 20 grams/60 kg/day.



Human studies of the possible association between impaired fertility and high boron levels in water, soil and dust in a Turkish populations, and boron mining and processing workers, found no effect. One study even reported elevated fertility rates in borax production workers as compared to the U.S. national average.



All this is important because possible reproductive toxicity is the official reason for the present assault on borax. The sodium chloride MSDS mentioned above also states: "While sodium chloride has been used as a negative control in some reproductive studies, it has also been used as an example that almost any chemical can cause birth defects in experimental animals if studied under the right conditions." Keep this in mind when you read the following.



The Assault on Borax



Arthritis in its various forms and its close relative osteoporosis affect about 30% of the population in developed countries. Osteoporosis is responsible for more long term hospital care than any other individual disease. This is due to the very high incidence of fractures, and especially the protracted nature of hip fractures. This is a main source of income for the medical-pharmaceutical system. If the boron-magnesium cure for these diseases should become widely known, this vital income stream would dry up and the system collapse. As this is the biggest and most profitable industry in the world, this cannot be allowed to happen.



When Dr Newnham discovered the boron-arthritis cure, it was not a big problem for the pharmaceuticals because news travelled slowly and was easily suppressed. This is very different now with Internet communication. Most research funding comes from the pharmaceutical industry, and nothing has come forward to duplicate Dr Newnham's findings and other positive osteoporosis studies.

Instead, funding goes into the development of patentable boron drugs for limited application as in chemotherapy, or even to discredit boron. A test-tube experiment found that a relatively low dose of about 4 grams of borax can damage lymphocytes, just like an earlier test-tube study showed that vitamin C supplements are toxic. Most positive borax studies now come from China, Japan and Turkey.



Furthermore, PubMed is a publicly funded search facility for bio-medical research publications. While other articles for Newnham R.E. and Zhou L.Y. are still listed, the two important borax publications mentioned earlier - about the arthritis trial at the Royal Melbourne Hospital and the treatment of skeletal fluorosis in China - are no longer listed, but they belong there and obviously had been there originally. I suspect that they have been deliberately removed to prevent them from being quoted in other research.



In addition, increasing effort goes into publicly demonizing borax for its alleged reproductive and infant toxicity. As an example, I recently read an article by a 'senior scientist' of the supposedly 'green' Environmental Working Group. In it, the perceived dangers of borax were so exaggerated that most comments in effect said: "Thank you for opening my eyes. I did not know how poisonous and dangerous borax is, I certainly will not use it anymore in my laundry, or for cleaning my toilet and kitchen" .



This is obviously a deliberate campaign to make people grateful for banning borax from public sale. For laundry and cleaning purposes Borax Substitute now replaces the product previously sold as Borax. The EU has spearheaded this campaign. In June 2010, borax and boric acid were reclassified as “Reprotoxic Category 2“, suggesting that they may be harmful to the reproductive functions of humans in high doses, and the product package must display the skull and crossbones symbol.

From December 2010, these products were no longer available for public sale within the EU. While this classification now applies for all of Europe, non-EU countries still have some leeway in regard to public sales. This initiative is part of a Globally Harmonized System of Classification and Labelling of Chemicals (GHS) which is to be implemented as soon as possible. Australia is well-advanced on preparing regulations to implement the GHS for industrial chemicals, with new regulations expected in 2012 (21).



The European Chemicals Agency gave as reason for their reclassification of boron products (paraphrased):


'The available data do not indicate major differences between laboratory animals and humans, therefore it must be assumed that the effects seen in animals could occur in humans as epidemiological studies in humans are insufficient to demonstrate the absence of an adverse effect of inorganic borates on fertility. 17.5 mg boron/kg/day was derived as a NOAEL (no event level) for male and female fertility. For the rat decreased foetal weight occurred at 13.7 mg boron/kg/day, and a safe limit of 9.6 mg/kg/day has been derived.' (22)

What they are really saying is this: 'While we have no human data, animal studies suggest that for adult reproductive functions a daily ingestion of about 2 teaspoons of borax is safe. But to be absolutely sure that no-one is harmed, we will ban it totally.' Importantly, this ruling is not related to borax in foods or supplements where it is already banned, but only for general use as in laundry or cleaning products or as insecticides. Because borax is not readily inhaled or absorbed through intact skin, it is difficult to see how even a few milligrams daily could get into the body with the conventional use. If the same standard would apply to other chemicals, there would be none left.



The key study in this assessment was published in 1972. Why is this being dug up now to justify banning borax when it was of no concern for the past 40 years? It does not make any scientific sense, especially if you consider that the main chemical in the new borax substitute, sodium percarbonate, is about three times more toxic than borax. Acute oral LD50 values for animals are from 1034 to 2200 mg/kg/day (23). Even the commonly used sodium bicarbonate, with an animal LD50 of 3360 mg/kg, is nearly twice as toxic as borax (24). Both of these chemicals have not been tested for long-term reproductive toxicity at the high doses that caused fertility problems in rats and mice.



The same applies to washing powders [laundry detergents], it has been stated that no toxicity is expected if used in the approved way, or that reproductive tests have not been done. Ingredients in these products are more toxic than borax, why can they be used in the approved way but not borax? And how about really toxic items such as caustic soda and hydrochloric acid? Why do they remain available to the public when one of the safest household chemicals is banned despite the fact that it is absolutely impossible to cause any reproductive harm with the approved use?



Regardless of the lack of any scientific credibility, the stage has been set for borax and boric acid to be globally removed from public sale at short or no notice. Even low-level and less effective boron tablets are now tightly controlled by the pharmaceutical industry, and may be restricted at any time through Codex Alimentarius regulations. With this, the medical-pharmaceutical system has safely defused any potential danger that borax may have posed to its profitability and survival.



Walter Last

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[sms]

Anyone who injests cleaning grade borax is an absolute moron.
This is just to report that I am the one of the absolute morons, as I have used it many times. Borax=boron. This means, one can use it as a supplement in case of boron deficiency. Lick the tip of the finger, put it in the Borax and what remains on the finger tip, would be the daily dose. Similarly with bi-carb soda. One can use it for cleaning and it could also be used for treatment of various diseases. I would say that seeing Borax in the detergent section in supermarkets, automatically associates it with detergents and therefore, it gets labelled as “something not good”. (Just as in some stores, bi-carb soda is also sold in detergent section. Does it automatically make it – “not good”?)

Recently, a friend of mine complained to of a bad arthritis in his hands and he said that the pain wakes him up often during the night. I recommended to him Borax, also saying that he needs not to get distracted by finding it in the detergents section of the supermarket. After 7 days of licking the fingertip he called me and reported the great improvement. Another “absolute morone”, but with the fixed probem!? And, I know several such morons. Also, borone/borax is great as supportive therapy for prostate issues. At the end, we need to take into account the possibility that some of our thoughts might be just a result of a brainwashing?!

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[Bill Ryan]

Anyone who injests cleaning grade borax is an absolute moron.
This is just to report that I am the one of the absolute morons, as I have used it many times. Borax=boron. This means, one can use it as a supplement in case of boron deficiency. Lick the tip of the finger, put it in the Borax and what remains on the finger tip, would be the daily dose. Similarly with bi-carb soda. One can use it for cleaning and it could also be used for treatment of various diseases. I would say that seeing Borax in the detergent section in supermarkets, automatically associates it with detergents and therefore, it gets labelled as “something not good”. (Just as in some stores, bi-carb soda is also sold in detergent section. Does it automatically make it – “not good”?)

Recently, a friend of mine complained to of a bad arthritis in his hands and he said that the pain wakes him up often during the night. I recommended to him Borax, also saying that he needs not to get distracted by finding it in the detergents section of the supermarket. After 7 days of licking the fingertip he called me and reported the great improvement. Another “absolute morone”, but with the fixed problem!? And, I know several such morons. Also, borone/borax is great as supportive therapy for prostate issues. At the end, we need to take into account the possibility that some of our thoughts might be just a result of a brainwashing?!

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Thanks! That's a great testimonial. :star:

I've had some borax for a little while, but never bothered to put it in the little gelatin capsules I bought for the purpose. So I left the packet unopened. My knees are doing great now, but I started taking the borax as well a few days ago. It took me about an hour to fill 100 size 0 capsules, which'll last me for 50 days.

This is the Borax I have.


https://amazon.com/gp/product/B00QK4LUD6

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71trctrf-UL._SY550_.jpg

It cost $17.99 for a 1 lb package. That's 450 grams, enough to last for several years as a daily supplement.

The formal Amazon description alarmingly states

Cleaning & Odor Control


All-purpose cleaner
Clean Cookware
Laundry booster
Toilet bowl cleaner
Remove rust
Use it remove adhesive residue
Deodorize your Refrigerator
Clean Shower, Tub & Tile
Sink Cleaner
Boost your carpet cleaner

Many Other Uses


Keep pests away
Unclog drains
Preserve fresh flowers
Make homemade candles burn better
Cat Litter Deodorizer
Garbage Disposal Cleaner
Kill Weeds

BUT — it's FOOD GRADE. They state that very clearly as well. It's 100% safe to take internally.

[sms]

Hi Bill,

when I have some health issues, I usually treat it with several things, at once, so I can not point to what exactly helped most. Last year, after kneeling on the roof while installing solar panels, my knee swell up and MRI showed quite a bad tear of the cartilage. To see a specialist I had to wait for a couple of weeks, and knowing that the surgery would be his only answer, I started treating my knee with poultices which I made from beef jelly (usually found in the shop where the cake icinga are stored; 1 small spoon in 1dl of water and adding a bit of DMSO to facilitate absorption; applied on the knee, put a gauze over it and a bandage) and Epsom salt gel (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PAIN-RELIEF-EPSOM-SALT-RUB-ALOE-VERA-GEL-PROCURE-177-ML-FRAGRANCE-FREE-NO-BATH/123581046098?epid=13005015627&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item1cc6011d52:m:m2h_0nho8SYMmlE522bZV4A&enc=AQAEAAAB4BPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qXCj31DZZXx3WXu18NO7eqPYBpIFfbNZHXOQgOVn4lMQJ4%2Fx3CA7bTR6WkcNov4 o72DF60W3FWUK%2Fn65Pa5Lbx0SAsqmeL7In89JIV5J17gY75HqGxbYFaGsByXctxcuUaxKjwLnZeJXVqo%2FMpd9VYy1DvdzExZ 7E0PabIuwPdvPsicrcl2ATMxMNXTvSa7AuiGOSZVeavNW3V0vn5tluQ9sE%2FZFNURzuYprfucUOxa04ug%2F1twanlkaPDKrnPA UGSW4GpFw1nr9SqZejCfJWPhzGYHYSCIN1d4ktN2%2Fglac%2FURbzwpiG2D40Rs5q8aevwoUlNHttuSjXjREA333BOAxNtPu54O JL%2B%2FufT438c%2BiOrHT5CXd8yiOPDO%2FLraHnEVeZntPj7i%2F8yXQ7rU9QreSRDxlHpXqqj4EdVul7DjxfrI4gn6Ixe5%2 F%2BeNobhiZmsH7OoyePrhgghbXU%2BbMD2f8rX6XXYAFmxXQPFhyQ0FzD%2F7kKdo8bGeORgk53%2BIAgOdWQczSnYzZWKLdS2a npggYIpC420SWKZ83MfrW7zVmPqcV0qcc0mKKwn%2BCbqhnsOSnYqYCI%2FqrCR0pZ5bnQygJRZe8iHD%2F3ZbnIHcTWFKSg%3D% 3D&checksum=123581046098e6e06b63570a4ae393ba0279e20a2672&frcectupt=true) (magnesium sulfate), which I rubbed in, separately. I was also taking some of the jelly by mouth each morning (beef jelly contains all necessary ingredients for the cartilage repair.) Beside that, I used Borax, Zink and some other vitamins and minerals as a supportive therapy.

Short and good, I fixed the knee before I got the appointment with the specialist. Chronic conditions may need a bit more time but the principle would be the same. Actually, I was quite surprised by the Epsom salt gel, (Epsom salt baths are another option, but the gel is more practical) as it was working miraculously in my case, reducing the pain in the joint and muscles, eliminating cramps and even the low back pain!?

The problem is that there are no two people with exactly the same condition, the same mineral or nutrient status of the body... etc., so the same staff may not work for everybody in the same manner.

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[Anchor]

Borax=boron.

Best to say Borax is a source of available boron. Borax being a compound that has Boron in it. Pedantic I know, but...

I just read about this because my finger joints are developing arthritis.

So thanks no doubt to Bill's knees for the bump and timely refresher.

I am in Australia - so I got some Borax a while back, it comes in 500g tubs. Assay mark says 99% borax

As it has been declared a poison by the everso-trustworthy folks from the Government, so I expect to be utterly dead within three weeks, or completely free from arthritis. Mrs Anchor who is older than me as we measure the illusion of time, and has both arthritis and tooth problems, so she is going to do it as well.

I'll let you know. I'll be starting on just above the standard dose and work from there. I weigh 84kg (dont judge me bro - some of that is actually muscle!)

[sms]

Borax=boron.

Best to say Borax is a source of available boron. Borax being a compound that has Boron in it. Pedantic I know, but...

I just read about this because my finger joints are developing arthritis.

So thanks no doubt to Bill's knees for the bump and timely refresher.

I am in Australia - so I got some Borax a while back, it comes in 500g tubs. Assay mark says 99% borax

As it has been declared a poison by the everso-trustworthy folks from the Government, so I expect to be utterly dead within three weeks, or completely free from arthritis. Mrs Anchor who is older than me as we measure the illusion of time, and has both arthritis and tooth problems, so she is going to do it as well.

I'll let you know. I'll be starting on just above the standard dose and work from there. I weigh 84kg (dont judge me bro - some of that is actually muscle!)

Do not worry, I am in Australia, too, and the Borax from Coles or Woolworths is pretty fine. One tub will last for many of your lifetimes.

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[DeeMetrios]

Do not worry, I am in Australia, too, and the Borax from Coles or Woolworths is pretty fine. One tub will last for many of your lifetimes.

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What brand name ?
cheers

[sms]

What brand name ?


Bare Essentials Borax 500g (https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/340015/bare-essentials-borax)

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[DeeMetrios]

What brand name ?


Bare Essentials Borax 500g (https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/340015/bare-essentials-borax)

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thank you ...

[Anchor]

Update: I am two days into my consumption of Borax in an incredibly dilute solution and a quick self-assessment reveals that I am not dying any quicker than I was before.

[Ti]

Update: I am two days into my consumption of Borax in an incredibly dilute solution and a quick self-assessment reveals that I am not dying any quicker than I was before.

Let us know if you're dead next month, eh?

[Zanshin]

Another moron here.....

The borax I've taken says 99% also. To quote straight from Walter Last's writing -

"In some countries (e.g. Australia, NZ, USA), borax can still be found in the laundry and cleaning sections of supermarkets. There is no "food-grade" borax available or necessary. The label usually states that it is 99% pure which is safe to use, and is the legal standard for agricultural grade borax. Up to 1% mining and refining residues are permitted. Boric acid, if available, may be used at about the dose of borax."

Aussie dairy farmers used borax to wash the cow's udders prior to milking here, going way back -
until the the regulatory board stepped in, insisting on something like bromine instead.

I mean they made it grounds for refusal of the farmer's milk for collection, processing and sale.

Ps: the brand name - Harper's Powdered Borax, multipurpose cleaning aid.

[Cara]

...Are you effing kidding me? What in the name of all that is holy has happened to this supposed thinking person’s forum that I am actually reading this absolute nonsense?! Anyone who injests cleaning grade borax is an absolute moron. Hands down! Wake up people, you’re being played!...


Another moron here.....



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[Zanshin]

Another moron here.....



Moderator note:

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Thank you.

:focus:

Addressing this matter privately

[OSIRIS7]

Tibetean monks used borax to soften the yak thea they drink , but then again sleeping on a floor must have consequences, like Rheuma or artritis .
could it have had a double use effect ?
i think so !
In belgium its not expensive and easy to get .

[spade]

Hi - how much do we take per day and for how long? Thanks

[Franny]

Hey spade, take a look at Bill Ryan's post, it has quite a lot of information.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63939-The-Borax-Conspiracy&p=1308737&viewfull=1#post1308737

Or sms post here for something much shorter and more informal:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63939-The-Borax-Conspiracy&p=1309541&viewfull=1#post1309541

[sms]

The most important benefit of boron!?

XACkrD-fEzg

(I would say that downloading the above video might be a good idea.)

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[kennywally]

I buy Nexus every issue, and this article just rang rue as making sense.

http://nexusmagazine.co.nz/resources/1904borax.pdf

Made even more sense, as the Borax that I'd been walking past every time I went shopping for a decade was sitting there with "discontinued item" labels on it, so I bought the last 3 lb...enough to last me a lifetime at a pinch per day...interesting too in that it was only days after they introduced fluoride to the local water supply, against opposition even from local dentists.


The strong antifungal action of boric acid is, of course, the reason why it has traditionally been used as a food preservative.

Borax, similar to the equally endangered Lugol's iodine solution, can also be used to remove accumulated fluoride and heavy metals from the body (14). Fluoride not only causes bones to deteriorate, but also the pineal gland to calcify and the thyroid to become underactive. Borax reacts with fluoride ions to form boron fluorides which are then excreted in the urine.

In a Chinese study borax was used to treat 31 patients with skeletal fluorosis. The amount was gradually increased from 300 to 1100 mg/day during a three month period, with one week off each month. The treatment was effective with 50 to 80% improvement.

Same old Same old, removed from the shelves because it is toxic (and the hypochlorite bleach next to it isn't even more so ???)....

From the article...


Toxicity Issues

Government health agencies are concerned about boron toxicity. You might be concerned as well if you read the following, pertaining to sodium chloride or table salt (17): 'Acute oral toxicity (LD50 - the dose at which half of the tested animals die): 3,000 mg/kg [Rat]. Chronic Effects on Humans: Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact, ingestion or inhalation. Lowest Published Lethal Oral Dose in Man: 1000 mg/kg. Causes adverse reproductive effects in humans (fetotoxicity, abortion) by intraplacental route, may increase risk of Toxemia of Pregnancy in susceptible women. May cause adverse reproductive effects and birth defects in animals, particularly rats and mice - fetotoxicity, abortion, musculoskeletal abnormalities, and maternal effects (on ovaries, fallopian tubes).
May affect genetic material (mutagenic). Ingestion of large quantities can irritate the stomach with nausea and vomiting. May affect behavior (muscle spasicity/contraction, somnolence), sense organs, metabolism, and cardiovascular system. Continued exposure may produce dehydration, internal organ congestion, and coma.'

Now compare the sodium chloride toxicity with the Material Safety Data Sheet or MSDS for borax (18): 'Low acute oral toxicity; LD50 in rats 4,500 to 6,000 mg/kg of body weight. Reproductive/developmental toxicity: Animal feeding studies in rat, mouse and dog, at high doses, have demonstrated effects on fertility and testes. Studies with boric acid in the rat, mouse and rabbit, at high doses, demonstrate developmental effects on the fetus, including fetal weight loss and minor skeletal variations. The doses administered were many times in excess of those to which humans would normally be exposed. No evidence of carcinogenicity in mice. No mutagenic activity was observed in a battery of short-term mutagenicity assays. Human epidemiological studies show no increase in pulmonary disease in occupational populations with chronic exposures to borate dust and no effect on fertility.'

YUP

I can't remember, due to a stroke 11/19, when exactly, but I swerved into the Borax conspiracy, and went overboard buying it up, like you said a box will last a lifetime.

But I'm old enuf to get arthritis but don't have even a hint of it. My buddy refuses to believe, he was mesmerized by the quacks healing his childhood leukemia.

The other thing I finally noticed was it slowly healed up the 'pockets' I'd hear about from my dinosaur dentist, were huge, 7, 8, 9's and after the borax my new Holistic dentist was calling out 3,4, 5's to be recorded, so I KNOW its not bull at all.
Educate-yourself dot com has a similar story.

:sun:

[kennywally]

Call me crazy, but I just poured a bit, like a tsp/Tb into a gal jug of unsweetened tea and just drank from the jug til gone then did that to another.
can't taste it and it improved me, pockets at the dentist got smaller and never did get arthritis...

k

[sms]

The most important benefit of boron!?

XACkrD-fEzg

(I would say that downloading the above video might be a good idea.)

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Short and good, boron may prevent or block the transhumanization process, the human beings have been subjected to, in this reality, through dispersion of nano-bots by chemtrails and their exposure to specific frequencies generated by HAARP, cell towers etc!?

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[kennywally]

is that fear you got ? or was that a joke ? I drank plenty in unsweetened tea, I'm still here....will drink more too !

k





Mod note from Bill: do use Reply With Quote whenever possible.... it's really hard to see who you're talking to here! :)


YUP...I don't remember who it was either, but I think they claimed borax was poison, I'll try to remember that ......:beer:

[sms]

Another important video on Boron/Borax:


oMxOt_-8KGU


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[gs_powered]

Tibetean monks used borax to soften the yak thea they drink , but then again sleeping on a floor must have consequences, like Rheuma or artritis .
could it have had a double use effect ?
i think so !
In belgium its not expensive and easy to get .

Hi Osíris,

Can you share tthe brand of the Borax you're getting? I'm in Portugal and to be fair I know little to no brands of these kind of products, although I'm pretty sure I'll find them available :)

[Arcturian108]

The most important benefit of boron!?

XACkrD-fEzg

(I would say that downloading the above video might be a good idea.)

..

Short and good, boron may prevent or block the transhumanization process, the human beings have been subjected to, in this reality, through dispersion of nano-bots by chemtrails and their exposure to specific frequencies generated by HAARP, cell towers etc!?

..

I sent the above video to Alexandra Bruce of Forbiddenknowledgetv.net last night and she sent it out to her whole list this morning with the following summary:

I ran a disturbing video about neuralnanorobotics and SmartDust the other day; about aerosolized nano swarms of bio-penetrable electrodes that are inhaled and implanted through mucus membranes and remain undetectable while forming a network within the brain to be able to both read and write into the brain's function in real-time, remotely.

The purpose of this technology is to collect all physical and sensory data to create an accurate simulated digital world that has been sold to us as the Internet of Things (aka The Matrix), which would in time hijack the brain and body of those targeted via the implanted bots and by the AI that would be transmitted through many secret HAARP facilities constructed around the world in tandem with the 5G wireless network.

This video by Dana Ashlie goes way further down that rabbit hole about how these particles self-assemble into filament networks when combined with the stomach's hydrochloric acid and how all of the above relates to chemtrails and Morgellon's Disease.

It sounds crazy but the patents exist and we've been hearing reports about this technology from level-headed journalists like James Corbett, from other whistleblowers like JD at Level9News and for almost 20 years from my friends at SOTT.net.

Dana is joined by a whistleblower who goes into very fine detail about the technology here and also about how ingesting a small amount of simple household borax, such as one may find in the laundry aisle has been shown to purge the body of these filaments. Additional benefits to ingesting a small amount of borax daily are arthritis relief, hormone balance, decalcification of the pineal gland, improved cell function, absorption of minerals and improved wound healing.

[kennywally]

Tibetean monks used borax to soften the yak thea they drink , but then again sleeping on a floor must have consequences, like Rheuma or artritis .
could it have had a double use effect ?
i think so !
In belgium its not expensive and easy to get .

Hi Osíris,

Can you share tthe brand of the Borax you're getting? I'm in Portugal and to be fair I know little to no brands of these kind of products, although I'm pretty sure I'll find them available :)

I can only address where I got it in the states, in the detergent aisle at wal-mart. About 3.50 u.s., a box which will last a lifetime and I already seen some results and have no arthritis, so stronger healthier bones works for me [ 20 mule team borax ] brands don't matter, maybe you can have it shipped to you from amazon. It's a huge company.

[Anchor]

As it has been declared a poison by the everso-trustworthy folks from the Government, so I expect to be utterly dead within three weeks, or completely free from arthritis.

Well time flies... and I am not dead.

I cant say I have noticed much improvement background pain wise, but the swelling has reduced around the middle knuckles of my left hand fingers and also I can almost make a fist again without screaming like a girl. It is pretty hard to tell if this is going to fix me, probably too early to tell.

Anyway as things are going in the right direction I am going to keep going now for another three months and then report back.

[gs_powered]

Can someone confirm this is the right stuff?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Borax-Pure-Sodium-Tetraborate-Decahydrate-Slime-Activator-Cleaning-Clean-200g/283505239513?hash=item42023aa5d9:g:YlwAAOSwUSBdAoBH

A bit confused with the CAS numbers, this one is 1303-96-4 but the ones I've seen earlier are 1330-43-4.

I'd really like to start using this but don't want to buy the wrong element.

Thanks,
Daniel

[Franny]

Can someone confirm this is the right stuff?


It is the right stuff.

It is Sodium Tetraborate Decahnydrate and that is what you want.

[gs_powered]

Thanks, just ordered 200g to give it a go :)

[gs_powered]

Ok, so got my package today.

https://i.ibb.co/YNzYqTK/IMG-20190911-132104.jpg (https://ibb.co/3TDGLY8)

I was wondering if someone could validate my portions since "a pich" is not that of a technical measurement unit...

https://i.ibb.co/h77WRLS/IMG-20190911-132231.jpg (https://ibb.co/mDDqCb3)


Even though I'm a bit weird when it comes to ingesting new things, I have to say I think I've been feeling something diferent, think I burped a bit more today since I took this glass of water with the borax in it.
As for flavour, pratically none although I can still taste something "diferent" in my lips, like if I've sipped some river water, not sure if you can relate or not ;)

Maybe I used 2 pinches instead of one? :ROFL:

I'll try a update any changes I feel while taking it!

[Bill Ryan]

Ok, so got my package today.

I was wondering if someone could validate my portions since "a pinch" is not that of a technical measurement unit...

I filled up a bunch of empty size 0 gelatin capsules, easy and inexpensive to find. (I take two of those a day.)

When those run out next month, I'll fill up size 00 capsules (a little larger), and then probably just take one per day as a maintenance dose.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1997/7345/products/empty-capsules-size-0-gelatin_540x.jpg?

Here's an approximate weight chart:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1997/7345/products/capsule_size_chart_1400x.jpg

[spade]

Hi Bill, how's borax helping with the knees?

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill, how's borax helping with the knees?Thanks for the question! I initially reported my problems here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107978-Joints-inflammation-and-all-that-stuff&p=1305425&viewfull=1#post1305425), on the companion Joints and Inflammation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107978-Joints-inflammation-and-all-that-stuff) thread.

Hard to tell specifically whether borax has helped, because I deployed a buckshot approach to it all: I changed a bunch of things pretty much at the same time. Namely:


Wholesale diet change: no grains, no sugars (except fruit and honey), no milk, cheese or yoghurt, no eggs, no potatoes, eggplant or tomatoes. I'm now almost exclusively on meat, fish, vegetables and fruit, and only half a cup of coffee or tea per day. With all that I've lost a few lbs of weight, of course, without trying, and that can do no harm. But I was never overweight anyway. It's just a kind of optimization.
A heaped tablespoon of turmeric per day (with oil and a ton of black pepper for absorption).
10 g of spirulina per day, mixed with fruit juice.
10 g of collagen per day in water.
1000 mg MSM per day.
2x size 0 capsules of borax.

So taken all together, that's quite a bunch of remedies. And almost needless to say, my knees are much stronger, with zero pain of any kind for a long time now. I've done three strenuous day hikes since I started all that, with no knee issues at all.
:happy dog:

[gs_powered]

Ok, so got my package today.

I was wondering if someone could validate my portions since "a pinch" is not that of a technical measurement unit...

I filled up a bunch of empty size 0 gelatin capsules, easy and inexpensive to find. (I take two of those a day.)

When those run out next month, I'll fill up size 00 capsules (a little larger), and then probably just take one per day as a maintenance dose.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1997/7345/products/empty-capsules-size-0-gelatin_540x.jpg?

Here's an approximate weight chart:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1997/7345/products/capsule_size_chart_1400x.jpg

Hi Bill,

According to the size guide, and from the video I saw that said you should put a pinch on a glass of water, 3 times a day, I think that even a full size 4 capsule (the smallest) would be way too much as a daily quantity!

I'm basing this on the amount I used, and looking at the capsules size I imagine the size 4 capsule would be the equivalente to a week's dosage, let alone the 0 size :ROFL:

Still, and if you have been taking this quantity for quite some time now, I reckon it can't be that harmfull, but I would really like to know the correct weight of substance that would be safe to intake.


For my 1st impression, and something I only caught up by the end of the day, after taking borax for the 1st time in my life at luch yesterday; I realized I drank zero water from then on until I forced myself to drink some at dinner, BUT, I actually needed to urinate a lot more than usual!! How strange is that? Wondering if anyone else saw the same thing happening to them?

Daniel

[kennywally]

Ok, so got my package today.

https://i.ibb.co/YNzYqTK/IMG-20190911-132104.jpg (https://ibb.co/3TDGLY8)

I was wondering if someone could validate my portions since "a pich" is not that of a technical measurement unit...

https://i.ibb.co/h77WRLS/IMG-20190911-132231.jpg (https://ibb.co/mDDqCb3)


Even though I'm a bit weird when it comes to ingesting new things, I have to say I think I've been feeling something diferent, think I burped a bit more today since I took this glass of water with the borax in it.
As for flavour, pratically none although I can still taste something "diferent" in my lips, like if I've sipped some river water, not sure if you can relate or not ;)

Maybe I used 2 pinches instead of one? :ROFL:

I'll try a update any changes I feel while taking it!

Speaking for myself, I'd take a gal jug of unsweetened tea and pour in a tsp to a Tb of the powder into the jug and just drank it at will like water. been doing that for years, it helped my bone loss in my jaw, it has also helped shrink the pockets the dental hygienist called out to record, the numbers used to be big, 7-8-9's are now 3-4-5's...and there's nothing to fear but fear itself. I've taken quite a few things that many folks would not, but I lived to tell about it . Turpentine,kerosene, are the two big ones, and altho I was a bit hesitent at first, I drank just a tsp of turpentine with sugar, and the resulted in the biofilm I used to have, just dying off and I was quite aware of it as it happened, in real time, I could feel it leave my brain , like slowly waving my hand from the back of my neck of the top of my head to the front and it was just gone...almost like magic but this was for real not bull. AND the kerosene did nothing and I took it months after I took the turpentine. do a search for paula ganner and kerosene and cancer, she treated successfully many people, praise the Lord for her efforts. but no reason to fear the borax. cheers ! :thumbsup:

[East Sun]

Please ignore!

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill,

According to the size guide, and from the video I saw that said you should put a pinch on a glass of water, 3 times a day, I think that even a full size 4 capsule (the smallest) would be way too much as a daily quantity!



Thanks — here's the original Borax Conspiracy article (see post #23 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63939-The-Borax-Conspiracy&p=1308737&viewfull=1#post1308737)), which is very detailed. My own reference was from a well-qualified and experienced naturopath who first brought the article to my attention, and suggested I should fill up my own empty capsules and take it that way.

I welcome feedback and other opinions, but the bulletpoint below


Lower dose for low to normal weight - 100 ml (= 1/8 teaspoon of borax powder); drink spaced out during the day.

... suggests that 1/8 of a tsp of borax is maybe about the same as in one capsule. The only difference with a diluted solution seems to be gradual ingestion, rather than taking it all at once. (I've experienced no ill effects at all from the capsules that I can feel or discern. :thumbsup: )

Here's that section:


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What and How Much to Use


In some countries (e.g. Australia, NZ, USA), borax can still be found in the laundry and cleaning sections of supermarkets. There is no "food-grade" borax available or necessary. The label usually states that it is 99% pure which is safe to use, and is the legal standard for agricultural grade borax. Up to 1% mining and refining residues are permitted. Boric acid, if available, may be used at about the dose of borax.



Firstly, dissolve a lightly rounded teaspoonful (5-6 grams) of borax in 1 litre of good quality water free of chlorine and fluoride. This is your concentrated solution. Keep the bottle out of reach of small children.




Standard dose = 1 teaspoon (5 ml) of concentrate. This has 25 to 30 mg of borax and provides about 3 mg of boron. Take 1 dose per day mixed with drink or food. If that feels right then take a second dose with another meal. If there is no specific health problem or as a maintenance dose you may continue indefinitely with 1 or 2 doses daily.



If you do have a problem, such as arthritis, osteoporosis and related conditions, menopause, stiffness due to advancing years, and also to improve low sex hormone production, increase intake to 3 or more spaced-out standard doses for several months or longer until you feel that your problem has sufficiently improved. Then drop back to 1 or 2 doses per day.



If you want to try the higher doses recommended by Earth Clinic for treating Candida and removing fluoride from the body - using your bottle of concentrated solution - then use:



Lower dose for low to normal weight - 100 ml (= 1/8 teaspoon of borax powder); drink spaced out during the day.
Higher dose for heavier individuals - 200 ml (= 1/4 teaspoon of borax powder); drink spaced out during the day.

Always start with a standard dose and increase gradually to the intended maximum. Take the maximum amounts for 4 or 5 days a week as long as required.

[enfoldedblue]

I've been taking borax for about 3 weeks now. I must say i feel better in a very general sense. It's hard to pinpoint exactly how but I feel more my old self (pre MS). In terms of specifics...only clear difference is i no longer have sensitivity in my teeth. I have recently started taking iodine again too, as well as magnesium. I'm thinking of making sole again too, for the extra minerals.

I'm posting a video link that has some good info. He waffles a bit...but it is worth it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z1vGEzN9s0

[Nenuphar]

I appreciate reading the updates posted by those who are using boron/borax. This is something I'm going to look into. I'm in my late 40s and already dealing with bone loss (my mother was diagnosed with advanced osteoporosis in her early 60s). It's frightening - and painful - and is impacting my ability to functon doing day-to-day things. Thyroid problems have been an issue for years. If something as simple as this kind of supplement would help, I am certainly willing to try it!

FYI (a bit off-topic), for those dealing with bone density/bone loss issues, this website (https://melioguide.com/) is a wonderful source of information.

[Anchor]

As it has been declared a poison by the everso-trustworthy folks from the Government, so I expect to be utterly dead within three weeks, or completely free from arthritis.

Well time flies... and I am not dead.

I cant say I have noticed much improvement background pain wise, but the swelling has reduced around the middle knuckles of my left hand fingers and also I can almost make a fist again without screaming like a girl. It is pretty hard to tell if this is going to fix me, probably too early to tell.

Anyway as things are going in the right direction I am going to keep going now for another three months and then report back.

Turns out I didn't need to wait three months to see results. Last 4 weeks I double dosed. Middle finger on left hand is pretty much fixed. Can make a fist with both hands again - if I warm up its even comfortable to do it, which is a massive improvement - oh and I can strike with them effectively. Didn't hit anyone to test this!

I intend to keep double dosing till end Nov, then will continue with single dose for as long as I breathe.

I am aware this is not science or proof, and there are alternative possibilities to explain the improvements. Sorry about that, nothing I can do. Not dead though, so there is that...

[greybeard]

Well your post is very much alive Anchor and encouraging--Thanks
Ive started taking Boron capsules 10MG--maybe I should double the dose
Chris

[Arcturian108]

Well your post is very much alive Anchor and encouraging--Thanks
Ive started taking Boron capsules 10MG--maybe I should double the dose
Chris

Greybeard, if you read all the material on this topic carefully, you might discover that boron capsules are less effective than the Borax cleaning agent. I can't remember where exactly I read that, but I have been ingesting the cleaning agent for about 10 years and am still arthritis-free.

[greybeard]

Well your post is very much alive Anchor and encouraging--Thanks
Ive started taking Boron capsules 10MG--maybe I should double the dose
Chris

Greybeard, if you read all the material on this topic carefully, you might discover that boron capsules are less effective than the Borax cleaning agent. I can't remember where exactly I read that, but I have been ingesting the cleaning agent for about 10 years and am still arthritis-free.

Im glad you have positive results.
I can no longer read that much and rely on videos for information.
Im Dyslexic and now get monthly injections in the eye for "wet age related macular degenerated degeneration (wAMD)
So threads are skimmed.
The main thing is there are benefits from Borax or Boron
Chris

[Pam]

Ok guys... I have a great testimonial for you regarding boron. I have an older dog that was becoming lame with arthritis, he could hardly walk. After several months of dosing with boron twice daily he is no longer showing signs of disability. It's actually pretty miraculous. There is still swelling in the joints but it has greatly diminished.

My only concern about mega dosing a specific mineral (or vitamins for that matter) is imbalance. After researching I came up with this magnificent product: Source, which I give with the boron. All the ingredients are from the sea and it provides whole food micro nutrients. I buy the equine quantity because it is way more economical. I got it for the dogs but I have been taking it and can't say enough about it. You can buy Source in capsules for humans but it's very pricey and it's the same thing.I add it to a smoothy every day for myself and mix it in the dogs food. The container will last for a long, long time. A pleasant side effect is that my skin has never been better and my nails are becoming stronger. This is the product on Amazon but you can buy it elsewhere.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B9SG3S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

For those that are concerned about bone density and health the following is a most amazing product. It is a very holistic and thorough approach to bone regeneration but it is pricey.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HFUIAM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Bill Ryan]

Well your post is very much alive Anchor and encouraging--Thanks
Ive started taking Boron capsules 10MG--maybe I should double the dose
If that's accurate, you may possibly not be taking enough, at all... my single self-filled 00 (https://capsuleconnection.com/capsule-sizing-info) one-a-day capsule contains about 700mg.


Ok guys... I have a great testimonial for you regarding boron. I have an older dog that was becoming lame with arthritis, he could hardly walk. After several months of dosing with boron twice daily he is no longer showing signs of disability. It's actually pretty miraculous. There is still swelling in the joints but it has greatly diminished. Many thanks, Pam — very wonderful to hear!!

:star::dog::star:

[Nenuphar]

Has anyone on the forum used borax or boron supplementation in an effort to regulate hormone levels (thyroid - FT3/FT4, insulin, etc)? I have only found one abstract (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0748233712469648?journalCode=tiha)relating to the topic.

[Pam]

Has anyone on the forum used borax or boron supplementation in an effort to regulate hormone levels (thyroid - FT3/FT4, insulin, etc)? I have only found one abstract (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0748233712469648?journalCode=tiha)relating to the topic.

Nenuphar, I don't have any personal experience with it but Boron is needed for maximum thyroid function and depending on where you live you may be very depleted of this micro-nutrient. Soil has been vastly depleted of Boron with factory farming and some areas naturally lack it so even if you are eating foods that tradionally provide it you may not be getting enough.I would only see a benefit from adding it to your diet, particularly if you are having thyroid issues.
Here's an article that is a nice overview regarding the topic.-

https://thyroidnation.com/thyroid-iodine-copper-boron-potassium/

[Bill Ryan]

Has anyone on the forum used borax or boron supplementation in an effort to regulate hormone levels (thyroid - FT3/FT4, insulin, etc)? I have only found one abstract (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0748233712469648?journalCode=tiha)relating to the topic.I have absolutely no idea! But I'm grateful for the thread bump. :thumbsup:

I've been taking borax daily now (about 700 mg per self-filled capsule) for several months. It all started when I reported on this separate thread back in July, 5 months ago, that I'd suddenly experienced a few alarmingly sharp knee pains that had appeared right out of the blue.


Joints, inflammation, and all that stuff (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107978-Joints-inflammation-and-all-that-stuff)

Many of you know I'm an avid high mountain hiker, so that was a potentially worrying problem. I did several things straight away (including increasing daily doses of MSM, and excluding inflammatory foods from my diet), but starting on borax was central. I can't be 100% certain that it was the borax that did the trick (because of the other variables), but I'd definitely like to report I've not had a single problem since.

:thumbsup:

[Anchor]

Bill, same here. I'm still taking it and all the things that gave me the idea to do it have improved. No side effects that I can tell.

My dose: 6g dissolved in 1litre distilled water, from that taking 10ml per day. It tastes like sauteed rubber, but some clear water afterwards removes the aftertaste.

[Pam]

I am personally experiencing a sort of stimulating effect from the Boron. I might just try microdosing it multiple times a day. I have seen what it can do and believe it is hugely beneficial to prevent bone related issues. The really cool thing is that we do not have to accept arthritis and osteoporosis as inevitabilities. Not in ourselves or our animal companions. This is such a cheap, simple way to maintain quality of life.

If any of you have dogs, I highly recommend you give them a pinch in their food.

[Bill Ryan]

If any of you have dogs, I highly recommend you give them a pinch in their food.Thank you! What a very, very good idea. :sun:

[ArrowD.]

Do you know how to apply Borax to soil? Please tell.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Would anyone who's been taking Borax care to give [another] update? Thx!

[Bill Ryan]

Would anyone who's been taking Borax care to give [another] update? Thx!Personally, all I can say is that I've been taking about 700 mg Borax per day (one self-filled 00 capsule (https://capsuline.com/pages/empty-capsule-size-chart)) for the last 6-7 months or so.

I started that because of some minor but potentially worrying sharp knee pains when hiking (see this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107978-Joints-inflammation-and-all-that-stuff)) — and since then they've not recurred at all. (But I also started taking turmeric regularly as well, and cutting out wheat and other inflammatory foods. So it's not really a rigorous experiment!)

[Sarah Rainsong]

Thanks, Bill!

[Nenuphar]

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Does anyone have updates they would like to report?

[Trisher]

:bump:

Does anyone have updates they would like to report?

An interesting update. I have a couple of friends who both had to have the covid vaccine. When tuned into there is a distinct imbalance occurring in the energy fields of vaccinated people. It appears to crush and warp Life-force. One of my friends took half a teaspoon of Borax in water before they were vaccinated and continues to take a quarter of a tsp every day. (Yes it is a lot). They are however fine energetically. The other person who did not take anything is still trying to get back their feeling of "connection" and has lost most of their Life-force.

Its all about personal choice when you have no choice at all.

[Zirconian]

I very much appreciate this post Trisher. :flower:
I too have noticed energy changes when people take the covid vaccine.
I take borax to deal with nano's along with epsom salts.
Borax may deal with the nano aspect of the vaccine??
Whatever the reason as to how borax may work with the vaccine, this could be a very postive solution.
I will pass the information on to people I know who are concerned about the covid vaccine for their consideration.

Thanks.

[Zirconian]

:bump:

Does anyone have updates they would like to report?

An interesting update. I have a couple of friends who both had to have the covid vaccine. When tuned into there is a distinct imbalance occurring in the energy fields of vaccinated people. It appears to crush and warp Life-force. One of my friends took half a teaspoon of Borax in water before they were vaccinated and continues to take a quarter of a tsp every day. (Yes it is a lot). They are however fine energetically. The other person who did not take anything is still trying to get back their feeling of "connection" and has lost most of their Life-force.

Its all about personal choice when you have no choice at all.

I'm responding to this post.:)

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I very much appreciate this post Trisher. :flower:
I too have noticed energy changes when people take the covid vaccine.
I take borax to deal with nano's along with epsom salts.
Borax may deal with the nano aspect of the vaccine??
Whatever the reason as to how borax may work with the vaccine, this could be a very postive solution.
I will pass the information on to people I know who are concerned about the covid vaccine for their consideration.

Thanks.

My response to message.

[Trisher]

Thanks Zirconian for your response. It is a beginning of many solutions for the vaccine hopefully..and possibly other vaccines too. I don't know how this works but can only tune in to the energetics. I do believe Borax helps with the nano situation ( as does NAC according to Cliff Carnicom).
I now have a third friend who has had to have the vaccine and they too took the Borax and were energetically unharmed.

[Zirconian]

Great to hear.
Solutions rather than fear.
I'd love to know more about the frequency and energetics of borax though.
I know it raises my kundalini.

[Trisher]

I took half a tsp of Borax yesterday to test its effects. No point in suggesting something if I personally have not tried it out for myself.
I felt an enormous rush of energy as soon as I took it and this went on for a couple of hours. I felt balanced and grounded. Most herbal remedies rely on rampant plants (like nettles and fast growing vines) that have enormous life-force to remove blocked meridians etc. Raw food is always recommended over cooked for its vital life giving energy. I realised that Borax has enormous life-force and can clear the body of negative energies.
It does need to be taken with a large glass of water. I held my nose but could still taste some of it.

I came across this article today from here

https://alternative-doctor.com/body-stuff/borax-arthritis/

The Attack On Borax For Arthritis

Arthritis in its various forms and its close relative osteoporosis affect about 30% of the population in developed countries. Obviously, the treatment of related pain is an enormous source of profits for Big Pharma, not to mention hip and knee replacement surgery. Predictably therefore, borax has come into a storm of controversy.

It is now being demonized as a source of reproductive toxicity. The EU is leading the campaign against borax and has re-classified it accordingly, based on ancient science (they dragged up and old and silly paper from 1972!)

This paper was not based on human data at all; merely animal studies which showed borax is totally safe at doses of up to 2 teaspoonsful a day (17.5 mg boron/kg/day) but they went ahead and banned it anyway “because there were no human data”.3

That’s crazy: even sodium bicarbonate, with an animal LD50 of 3360 mg/kg, is nearly twice as toxic as borax!

You can guess who is behind the phoney perversion of information, used to discredit anything which threatens the pharmaceutical industry.

As one writer put it:

Regardless of the lack of any scientific credibility, the stage has been set for borax and boric acid to be globally removed from public sale at short or no notice. Even low-level and less effective boron tablets are now tightly controlled by the pharmaceutical industry, and may be restricted at any time through the infamous Codex Alimentarius regulations. With this the medical-pharmaceutical system has safely defused any potential danger that borax may have posed to its profitability and survival.
Better Science

Newnham’s final recommendations before his death in 2008 are as follows:

It is obvious that this average of 1-2 mg per day boron intake is not sustainable as regards good health. We need in the region of 6 to 8 mg per day and that will sustain good health as regards arthritic diseases. When we talk about sustainable medicine we should really be talking about sustainable health, and when this is applied to arthritic diseases and osteoporosis we need a good supply of boron and 6-8 mg a day is sufficient. Those with active disease are helped with 9-10 mg a day. I have been taking a boron supplement for 30 years and my wife also takes it every day and we have no joint problems.4

Meantime, The Human Nutrition Research Center in North Dakota has furthered some of Newnham’s work and they have shown how 3 mg a day of boron will reduce the average loss of calcium in post menopausal women from 117 to 64 mg per day. The same boron will also raise the level of 17 beta estradiol to normal in these women. Dr. Forrest Nielsen shows that boron and calcium work together at the cell membrane and this affects the modification of hormone action. 5

Now there are many others who have shown how the arthritic diseases are associated with allergies, which is where I got interested in the 1980s. Allergies can also be caused by problems at the cell membrane level where the allergen or histamine or similar do not move freely across cell membranes. It looks as if boron may be very relevant here. In order to sustain good health we need 6 mg a day or more of boron which is now a food supplement or a medicine in some places. This is sustainable and is even essential for health.
What To Do When Using Borax For Arthritis

In some countries such as Australia, New Zealand and the USA, you can buy borax in the laundry and cleaning section of your supermarket. Brand Names include 20 Mule Team (USA, Mexico), Hovex, Bare Essentials (Australia).

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Interesting information about Borax!

I did find a website (supplier) which has been mentioned before on the forum here, but (most probably) not in the Borax-context.

Link: https://pforlife.com/borax-conspiracy.html

This company has good explanations, large quantities delivered if needed as well. But US-based, so I don't know about the availability (yet) in Europe.

Zirconian, you may know more about products dealing with any possible nano-particles, than others here.

Maybe we need a thread about how to counter the negative effects of (any) vaccine? There already may be such a specific thread, I have not checked yet.

We always can do our best not to get a vaccine, but if there is no other possibility than "getting it" (job, family, ...) maybe we can alternatively focus on counter-measuring to whatever is "bad" in a vaccine? Just a suggestion.

Just discovered a source in Belgium:

https://www.fruugo.be/borax-pure-uspnf-grade-sodium-borate-10-mol-mineral-fine-powder-70200-mesh/p-32969229-68656645?language=en&ac=croud&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7Oqk_M-T7gIVjLbtCh06OgFPEAQYAiABEgKeAvD_BwE

But expensive. About 231 € for 2 kg (so, about double the cost in the US!). Still, that would last a long time.

[Zirconian]

Hi Johan,

In the Uk there are companies who do sell borax cheaply, however, you have to state or prove you are a business trade or a company. Borax is very cheap on these sites, if you can somehow get around the restrictions on purchase.:)

The good thing is, once bought (and people could share costs on an expensive site), it lasts for a very long time, as you can only safely use in small amounts.

There is another thread that covers information on injections and that is in Covid-19 (and flu!) Treatment and Prevention.

Could we merge the conversation on Borax as a solution for the covid 19 injections into that thread?

Dr Klinghardt has much information on treatment and prevention of covid 19 and protocols for detoxing injections. I think this may have been already been posted on the Covid 19 Treatment and Prevention Thread but I'll repost, as I think any information that provides solutions for injections (as they have been designed right now), particularly the covid 19 injections, is really important.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99GavfE3fw

Energectically & holographically, which is where I usually work from, the recent injections that have been produced are just awful. Words cannot describe.

However, it seems (from the above posts by Trisher) that borax might be a solution. Also, from my experience, borax does work with nanos which I feel are in the injection.

Some people may indeed need this solution if the injection becomes mandatory for work or travel.

So, can I ask if these conversations re borax as a solution for the covid injections be merged into the Covid 19 Treatment and Prevention Thread?

Or it maybe we do need another thread?

Thanks.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Best to keep the borax-thread separate, as it dates back to 2013, and it covers everything that is related to inflammation.

Another thread (a suggestion is "Ways to deal with imposed vaccinations") may be a good idea.

[Zirconian]

I was not suggesting the whole Borax thread, just the conversations on this page about Borax and vaccines.
However, if this cannot be done then a solutions thread for vaccines might be a good idea.:)

[Jamie]

I'm very glad to find this thread amongst the PA forum.

I still have a bag of Borax from the time of watching the Dr Pete Peterson videos (way back!) regarding skate oil/ratfish oil and other information about how it can de-calcify (de-fluoridify) the pineal gland.
Further research lead to the mention of borax being a great pineal gland de-calcifier. For some reason though I was always too afraid to ever use it, incase it was harmful.

I've lost the link I ended up on from info provide in this thread, but it mentioned that even though Borax was discontinued by many commercial suppliers for safety issues, it's actual considered safer than other cleaning compounds.
It even mentioned that medically speaking 'bicarb' (sodium bicarbinate) is considered more toxic to ingest than borax. So definitely giving borax a try.

Given the Covid vaccine roll-out and how I feel it may become an unfortunate option to have it, to be able to continue accessing the basics rights of life/society, the information provided about Borax here is gold.
Hopefully as a boron compound my old bag technically shouldn't have degraded, although it's so cheap I might just buy a fresh supply.
As a heads-up to the UK based PA members... Borax (Sodium Tetra-borate) is available to buy on Ebay UK.
Roughly £3.99 for 100g delivered, cheaper in larger quantities. So well priced, considering it's possible benefits.

ANCHOR's post mentioned a 10ml dose taken from a base batch made with 6 grams of borax dissolved in 1 litre of water (6000mg to 1000ml) which I believe equates to a 60mg dose.
Whilst BILL's post mentions a 700mg (self made) capsule dose.

Think I'm heading for a daily capsule option.

Many thanks to all in this thread you have provided the links and useful information.

[Trisher]

A good place to get Borax, Epsom salts. sodium bicarb etc in the UK is intralabs. An explanation to them of using Borax for cleaning is needed to buy.
https://www.intralabs.co.uk/

[Jamie]

A good place to get Borax, Epsom salts. sodium bicarb etc in the UK is intralabs. An explanation to them of using Borax for cleaning is needed to buy.
https://www.intralabs.co.uk/

That's a great supplier link.
Seems like an absolute bargain for UK buyers.
£4.50 for 1kg of Borax, and £2.12 for delivery.
Brilliant.
Many thanks!

[syrwong]

Borax is not illegal at all in China. You can buy a pack of borax for USD$1 from Taobao, cheaper than salt.

On reflection it is dearer than salt, not by much. I bought one for a friend. Her arthritis pains disappeared a few days after by drinking only about 50mg a day.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

A good supplier is (in Germany) https://www.borax-natur.de/product-page/3kg-borax-im-lebensmitteleimer
19.99 € for 3 kg and 26.99 € for 5 kg.

The chemical formula is: Na2B4O7•10H2O (natriumtetraborat) which should be OK (I think).

Not sure what they charge to supply outside Germany though.

[Dick]

Very interesting thread, was looking where to buy in the Netherlands, and found this:

https://www.laboratoriumdiscounter.nl/nl/borax-99.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5aaqzbu37gIVEEiRBR2m9AAJEAQYAiABEgIqtPD_BwE

They don’t mention that its good for your health? Only for cleaning and for laboratory use.
Is this the right stuf, and can i take this with water, as stated above? Anyone who can help me with this?

Thanks.

[Bill Ryan]

Very interesting thread, was looking where to buy in the Netherlands, and found this:

https://www.laboratoriumdiscounter.nl/nl/borax-99.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5aaqzbu37gIVEEiRBR2m9AAJEAQYAiABEgIqtPD_BwE

They don’t mention that its good for your health? Only for cleaning and for laboratory use.
Is this the right stuf, and can i take this with water, as stated above? Anyone who can help me with this?

Thanks.It needs to be 100% pure and food grade. If there are no other ingredients at all, and is simply 100% pure Borax, then (in my opinion!) it should be fine.

[Dick]

Very interesting thread, was looking where to buy in the Netherlands, and found this:

https://www.laboratoriumdiscounter.nl/nl/borax-99.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5aaqzbu37gIVEEiRBR2m9AAJEAQYAiABEgIqtPD_BwE

They don’t mention that its good for your health? Only for cleaning and for laboratory use.
Is this the right stuf, and can i take this with water, as stated above? Anyone who can help me with this?

Thanks.It needs to be 100% pure and food grade. If there are no other ingredients at all, and is simply 100% pure Borax, then (in my opinion!) it should be fine.

Ok thanks Bill, found a couple of other suppliers in the Netherlands, and prices vary between € 7 - € 30.
Look around a bit and when i have found something whats useable, i post a link here.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

The source for borax I mentioned in my post above is 99.90% pure.
It doesn't say what the remaining 0.10% is.
And nothing about "food grade" either.

But considering that tablesalt is more poisonous than borax ànd realizing that we - on a daily basis - ingest microplastics, GMO's and all kind of pesticides and even hormones, I would think that borax when taken in small quantities (as mentioned in posts above) should be quite safe.

Encouraging is also the Avalonians that have had positive results so far.

A German friend can get the product for me and send it to me (normally). Looking forward to receiving it.

[Dick]

Just ordered the borax from my post above, 1kg for € 14,76, and that’s included the shipping costs.
Just in case we need it, if we get forced to take the vaccine.
I think it’s worth trying :yes4:

update:

The Borax I ordered says 99.9+ % so i think its pretty pure.

[Rolci]

I have a question, I read here that Borax is banned in the EU, I just checked on the UK ebay site (I know it's not EU any more) and it's awash with Borax sold to make slime. Is that the stuff to buy? And isn't it supposed to be banned? Am I looking at the wrong stuff?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=borax&_sacat=0

Many of these can be purchased with shipping overseas. Does anyone here buy any of these, or is this something completely different? Sorry, I'm clueless. I believe I have stuff from food from a long time ago accumulated in my body that I would like to eliminate due to back pain, hoping it would fix my bones.

[Trisher]

Here is something I posted earlier on this thread Rolci. This is the good stuff!

A good place to get Borax, Epsom salts. sodium bicarb etc in the UK is intralabs. An explanation to them of using Borax for cleaning is needed to buy.
https://www.intralabs.co.uk/

[Bill Ryan]

I shared this quite a while back, but the Borax I found (and take) that's definitely food grade is this:

https://amazon.com/gp/product/B00QK4LUD6

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61Y-zMhSviL._AC_SX425_.jpg

Even on the label it states: "Pure & Clean Bulk Nutrition".

It may be worth searching for this on other countries' Amazon sites — or even getting it shipped from the US. (This 1 lb package lasts a LONG time.)

[avid]

Product reasonably priced, shipping $44! Ordered, thanks Bill.

[Smell the Roses]

I've been using Borax in my laundry for years and find it very effective, and I figure the borax ending up in our groundwater eventually after the washer drains is a good thing. Also, a number of years ago I remembered how my mother had a boric acid cream when I was little that used to heal my wounds remarkably quickly. I don't think they sell the kind she used anymore, but I found some other types, one called BoroPlus and another called Boroline. I have been using both of these for years for myself and my children, with positive results. My one son has very dry skin, and the BoroPlus clears it up right away. :flower:

[Dick]

How about this one, they say its for consumption…

https://www.fruugo.nl/boraxpure-uspnf-grade-natrium-boraten-10-mol-mineraal-fijn-poeder-70200-mesh/p-32969229-88465192?language=nl&ac=croud&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-oCtj_q-7gIVbvx3Ch2hHwIxEAQYEiABEgID5fD_BwE

[Trisher]

I shared this quite a while back, but the Borax I found (and take) that's definitely food grade is this:

https://amazon.com/gp/product/B00QK4LUD6

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61Y-zMhSviL._AC_SX425_.jpg

Even on the label it states: "Pure & Clean Bulk Nutrition".

It may be worth searching for this on other countries' Amazon sites — or even getting it shipped from the US. (This 1 lb package lasts a LONG time.)

This link from Bill to Amazon had me wondering what the difference was between different types of Borax being sold and what was the best to buy. I was particularly interested in the 10 molar definition.
I went to my online supplier (intralabs) and found this description.

"Borax is a naturally occurring mineral deposit produced by repeated evaporation of lakes and riverbeds. The term Borax loosely refers several different chemical compounds based around the Sodium Tetraborate structure with varying number of water molecules attached to it. The most commonly occurring Borax compounds are: Borax Anhydrous (Anhydrous means “without water”), Borax Pentahydrate (Pentahydrate means 5 water molecules), Borax Decahydrate (Decahydrate means 10 water molecules). An example of the Borate anion structure which bonds ionically to Sodium (Na) and any water molecules is shown to the right.


Borax Properties

Borax (in any form) is a white crystalline solid at room temparature and is chemically stable under normal storage conditions; Borax Decahydrate has a molar mass of 381.38, its melting point is 1016 Kelvin (743 C) and its boliding point is 1848 Kelvin (1575 C). The solubility of Borax increases with water temperature; at 0C water temperature Borax will dissolve to produce a maximum % by weight saturated solution of 1.99% in contrast at 100C water temperature this increases to 65.64%. When dissolved in water Borax hydrolyses to produce a mildly alkaline solution which maintains a constant pH level.

So Intralabs are basically selling the same pure 10 mol which is the Borax Decahydrate which is the Borax to buy for health reasons. Apart from the 10 mols its best to be aware of the source of the Borax to ensure it is from a clean source as stated below....
I got this from the Amazon link "prescribed for Life" from the Q and A section.

Is this food grade?
Answer:
The FDA does not allow any Borax to be classified as Food Grade. This product is as pure and natural as it is when mined, here in the US. This product is very water soluble and is 10 molar, whereas other sources are 5 molar, which are not as water soluble and therefore contain more impurities. Our Borax is the purest form available on the market. I hope this helps in answering your concerns. thanks
By Prescribed For Life

I then went to the official line on safety on intralabs to find out why it is restricted in many places now.

Is Borax Safe?
The short answer is Yes, Borax can be handled like table salt and short term exposure presents very little risk. Before the year 2010 you could enter your local chemist or pharmacy and pick up some borax easily. It was used for many things and hailed by some as a “wonder powder”. Then in June 2010 the ECHA (European Chemicals Agency) submitted a supporting document to the Member State Committee to request reclassification of Disodium TetraBorate, Anhydrous (Borax) and it hydrated forms because of its repro-toxic properties. Borax is now listed in the ‘Substances of Very High Concern’ list and it has been reclassified as Hazard class – Re-protoxic, Category – 1B. Any product that contains above a particular % concentration of borax (about 4-8%) should display the warning “May damage fertility, may cause harm to the unborn child” and be restricted to professional use.

I have used small amounts for years as have others. It is now missing from many soils and supplementing is essential for some people and as stated before on this thread it will help those that must have the vaccine.

[Rolci]

Here is something I posted earlier on this thread Rolci. This is the good stuff!

A good place to get Borax, Epsom salts. sodium bicarb etc in the UK is intralabs. An explanation to them of using Borax for cleaning is needed to buy.
https://www.intralabs.co.uk/

Thank you, I had seen your post, problem with that website is that they want you to be able to prove that you're a business - which I'm not.

Would any of these be any good?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283189464955

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324289304760

More generally, within the "100% pure" range (could simply be a lie, but suppose it's really 100% pure), are there diffrent kinds of Borax products, like some effective others not, or some safe others dangerous? Or is Borax just Borax?

Thanks

[Dick]

Here is something I posted earlier on this thread Rolci. This is the good stuff!

A good place to get Borax, Epsom salts. sodium bicarb etc in the UK is intralabs. An explanation to them of using Borax for cleaning is needed to buy.
https://www.intralabs.co.uk/

Thank you, I had seen your post, problem with that website is that they want you to be able to prove that you're a business - which I'm not.

Would any of these be any good?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283189464955

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324289304760

More generally, within the "100% pure" range (could simply be a lie, but suppose it's really 100% pure), are there diffrent kinds of Borax products, like some effective others not, or some safe others dangerous? Or is Borax just Borax?

Thanks

Yes, good question, das what i also want to find out. The one i orderded was 99.9+ % but a little confirmation always helps

[Trisher]

Here is something I posted earlier on this thread Rolci. This is the good stuff!

A good place to get Borax, Epsom salts. sodium bicarb etc in the UK is intralabs. An explanation to them of using Borax for cleaning is needed to buy.
https://www.intralabs.co.uk/

Thank you, I had seen your post, problem with that website is that they want you to be able to prove that you're a business - which I'm not.

Would any of these be any good?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283189464955

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324289304760

More generally, within the "100% pure" range (could simply be a lie, but suppose it's really 100% pure), are there diffrent kinds of Borax products, like some effective others not, or some safe others dangerous? Or is Borax just Borax?

Thanks

A simple phone call telling them you are using it at work for cleaning will do. Or you are a carer etc etc..I cannot vouch for other suppliers. Apart from this see my last post above about 10 mol Borax.

[Trisher]

Here is something I posted earlier on this thread Rolci. This is the good stuff!

A good place to get Borax, Epsom salts. sodium bicarb etc in the UK is intralabs. An explanation to them of using Borax for cleaning is needed to buy.
https://www.intralabs.co.uk/

Thank you, I had seen your post, problem with that website is that they want you to be able to prove that you're a business - which I'm not.

Would any of these be any good?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283189464955

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324289304760

More generally, within the "100% pure" range (could simply be a lie, but suppose it's really 100% pure), are there diffrent kinds of Borax products, like some effective others not, or some safe others dangerous? Or is Borax just Borax?

Thanks

Yes, good question, das what i also want to find out. The one i orderded was 99.9+ % but a little confirmation always helps

All Borax is excavated from the earth. I doubt many are getting it by hand digging. All companies selling it will have bought it from the same suppliers that have the right to excavate it. Some companies will have repackaged it and written this and that about it making it sound better than all the others. Basically its the same stuff and as we take such small quantities of it we should maybe be more concerned about the water we dilute it with. Anyone who has tasted Borax will know of its unique taste and anything added would be noticeable. It is so cheap its not worth tampering with. A few basic checks into purity( ie not dirty or mixed with something else for improving washing etc) and making sure it is decahydrate Borax is essential. After that I would go for larger companies selling it in bulk as they are closest to the original supplier.

[Zirconian]

I just replenished my supply of borax through intralabs. I got ready with my....er....business details but online, I actually wasn't asked anything. The borax was sent quickly in the post. Very cheap to purchase.:)

[TravelerJim]

Great stuff here thank you.

Seems to me I remember many years ago of an article claiming the .gov folks bought or closed off almost all the land where Boron was found, in CA I think. It might have been just a coincidence and they needed the land for something else but you never know...

Will add this to my daily regimen and report back.

:)

[Tangri]

Here is something I posted earlier on this thread Rolci. This is the good stuff!

A good place to get Borax, Epsom salts. sodium bicarb etc in the UK is intralabs. An explanation to them of using Borax for cleaning is needed to buy.
https://www.intralabs.co.uk/

Thank you, I had seen your post, problem with that website is that they want you to be able to prove that you're a business - which I'm not.

Would any of these be any good?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283189464955

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324289304760

More generally, within the "100% pure" range (could simply be a lie, but suppose it's really 100% pure), are there diffrent kinds of Borax products, like some effective others not, or some safe others dangerous? Or is Borax just Borax?

Thanks

Yes, good question, das what i also want to find out. The one i orderded was 99.9+ % but a little confirmation always helps

$7 US you can buy 1 kg pure

https://www.hepsiburada.com/eti-maden-saf-boraks-1-kg-p-HBV00000OM82S

[XelNaga]

Hi Friends,

Many thanks for all info and experiences presented here. Thank you Bill and Zirconian for recommending this thread to me :happythumbsup:

I decided to try Borax, mostly because of what I read here about teeth and pineal gland decalcifying. I don't use any medicines nor any supplements, this will be the only thing I use so I guess it makes me a perfect lab rat for this :sherlock:

If someone would be kind enough to share your opinion about what I bought, it says on it: "sodium tetraborate 99,9%, made in Turkey".
I bought it in what is called here "healthy food store", although they don't sell it as a food supplement of course.

1 kg is 8.22 USD. Picture of it is bellow, packaging looks rather bad :(

Please advice before I try this, thanks :o

[Zirconian]

I shared this quite a while back, but the Borax I found (and take) that's definitely food grade is this:

https://amazon.com/gp/product/B00QK4LUD6

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61Y-zMhSviL._AC_SX425_.jpg

Even on the label it states: "Pure & Clean Bulk Nutrition".

It may be worth searching for this on other countries' Amazon sites — or even getting it shipped from the US. (This 1 lb package lasts a LONG time.)

This link from Bill to Amazon had me wondering what the difference was between different types of Borax being sold and what was the best to buy. I was particularly interested in the 10 molar definition.
I went to my online supplier (intralabs) and found this description.

"Borax is a naturally occurring mineral deposit produced by repeated evaporation of lakes and riverbeds. The term Borax loosely refers several different chemical compounds based around the Sodium Tetraborate structure with varying number of water molecules attached to it. The most commonly occurring Borax compounds are: Borax Anhydrous (Anhydrous means “without water”), Borax Pentahydrate (Pentahydrate means 5 water molecules), Borax Decahydrate (Decahydrate means 10 water molecules). An example of the Borate anion structure which bonds ionically to Sodium (Na) and any water molecules is shown to the right.


Borax Properties

Borax (in any form) is a white crystalline solid at room temparature and is chemically stable under normal storage conditions; Borax Decahydrate has a molar mass of 381.38, its melting point is 1016 Kelvin (743 C) and its boliding point is 1848 Kelvin (1575 C). The solubility of Borax increases with water temperature; at 0C water temperature Borax will dissolve to produce a maximum % by weight saturated solution of 1.99% in contrast at 100C water temperature this increases to 65.64%. When dissolved in water Borax hydrolyses to produce a mildly alkaline solution which maintains a constant pH level.

So Intralabs are basically selling the same pure 10 mol which is the Borax Decahydrate which is the Borax to buy for health reasons. Apart from the 10 mols its best to be aware of the source of the Borax to ensure it is from a clean source as stated below....
I got this from the Amazon link "prescribed for Life" from the Q and A section.

Is this food grade?
Answer:
The FDA does not allow any Borax to be classified as Food Grade. This product is as pure and natural as it is when mined, here in the US. This product is very water soluble and is 10 molar, whereas other sources are 5 molar, which are not as water soluble and therefore contain more impurities. Our Borax is the purest form available on the market. I hope this helps in answering your concerns. thanks
By Prescribed For Life

I then went to the official line on safety on intralabs to find out why it is restricted in many places now.

Is Borax Safe?
The short answer is Yes, Borax can be handled like table salt and short term exposure presents very little risk. Before the year 2010 you could enter your local chemist or pharmacy and pick up some borax easily. It was used for many things and hailed by some as a “wonder powder”. Then in June 2010 the ECHA (European Chemicals Agency) submitted a supporting document to the Member State Committee to request reclassification of Disodium TetraBorate, Anhydrous (Borax) and it hydrated forms because of its repro-toxic properties. Borax is now listed in the ‘Substances of Very High Concern’ list and it has been reclassified as Hazard class – Re-protoxic, Category – 1B. Any product that contains above a particular % concentration of borax (about 4-8%) should display the warning “May damage fertility, may cause harm to the unborn child” and be restricted to professional use.

I have used small amounts for years as have others. It is now missing from many soils and supplementing is essential for some people and as stated before on this thread it will help those that must have the vaccine.


XelNaga

Does Trisher's post help?

[EFO]

Hi Friends,

Many thanks for all info and experiences presented here. Thank you Bill and Zirconian for recommending this thread to me :happythumbsup:

I decided to try Borax, mostly because of what I read here about teeth and pineal gland decalcifying. I don't use any medicines nor any supplements, this will be the only thing I use so I guess it makes me a perfect lab rat for this :sherlock:

If someone would be kind enough to share your opinion about what I bought, it says on it: "sodium tetraborate 99,9%, made in Turkey".
I bought it in what is called here "healthy food store", although they don't sell it as a food supplement of course.

1 kg is 8.22 USD. Picture of it is bellow, packaging looks rather bad :(

Please advice before I try this, thanks :o

Say thanks that you are not yet in EU and you can find forbidden things there.I strongly recommend you to make supplies of such stuff,otherwise you'll not find them after the admission in EU.Also if you can buy potassium permanganate in crystal form,buy a few kilos of it and keep them in dry and dark place.

I;m still struggling to buy borax from here:https://polymed.ro/borax-tetraborat.html https://polymed.ro/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x/bdedb93e6aad112ec98e1622bfa9fad9/b/o/borax1_1.jpg

It's about the same price/kg as your even if on the bottle is written 5% Solution,description said crystals.

I think that finally I'll buy it from you.

[Tangri]

Here is something I posted earlier on this thread Rolci. This is the good stuff!

A good place to get Borax, Epsom salts. sodium bicarb etc in the UK is intralabs. An explanation to them of using Borax for cleaning is needed to buy.
https://www.intralabs.co.uk/

Thank you, I had seen your post, problem with that website is that they want you to be able to prove that you're a business - which I'm not.

Would any of these be any good?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283189464955

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324289304760

More generally, within the "100% pure" range (could simply be a lie, but suppose it's really 100% pure), are there diffrent kinds of Borax products, like some effective others not, or some safe others dangerous? Or is Borax just Borax?

Thanks

Yes, good question, das what i also want to find out. The one i orderded was 99.9+ % but a little confirmation always helps

$7 US you can buy 1 kg pure

https://www.hepsiburada.com/eti-maden-saf-boraks-1-kg-p-HBV00000OM82S

correction $3 US 1 kg for current exchange rates

[Tangri]

Hi Friends,

Many thanks for all info and experiences presented here. Thank you Bill and Zirconian for recommending this thread to me :happythumbsup:

I decided to try Borax, mostly because of what I read here about teeth and pineal gland decalcifying. I don't use any medicines nor any supplements, this will be the only thing I use so I guess it makes me a perfect lab rat for this :sherlock:

If someone would be kind enough to share your opinion about what I bought, it says on it: "sodium tetraborate 99,9%, made in Turkey".
I bought it in what is called here "healthy food store", although they don't sell it as a food supplement of course.

1 kg is 8.22 USD. Picture of it is bellow, packaging looks rather bad :(

Please advice before I try this, thanks :o

Say thanks that you are not yet in EU and you can find forbidden things there.I strongly recommend you to make supplies of such stuff,otherwise you'll not find them after the admission in EU.Also if you can buy potassium permanganate in crystal form,buy a few kilos of it and keep them in dry and dark place.

I;m still struggling to buy borax from here:https://polymed.ro/borax-tetraborat.html https://polymed.ro/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x/bdedb93e6aad112ec98e1622bfa9fad9/b/o/borax1_1.jpg

It's about the same price/kg as your even if on the bottle is written 5% Solution,description said crystals.

I think that finally I'll buy it from you.

You can make it 1 liter 5 % bottle , with 50 gram botax. price is not the definitely same. 1litre distyle water 30 cents(Canadian $)+ 50 gram botax 1,5 cents total comes to you 31,5 cents for 1 liter 5% solution. You must prepare hot distyle water with glass container( it must be glasses due to distyle water prone to absorb metal container's residues.

[Tangri]

Also an additional info" You should be cautious using fat soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) with botax, it will increase half life time for those vitamins. A Toxicity will be occurred.

[Rolci]

It appears to me that Intralabs are completely out of stock on Borax. Am I doing something wrong? The other two sites mentioned here lately, one is Romanian, the other is Turkish. I haven't researched this topic enough to know if these sources can be trusted or not, I am generally wary of anything that comes from countries like these, with the exception of Himalayan pink salt from Pakistan that I used to use to mineralise my distilled water. I stopped that now, I just drink distilled water, have been for years now, without anything added. In fact I use rain water, and only distil it when it's been more than 2 weeks since the last cleaning and disifecting of the barrel. Before that I just drink rain water. Chemically they shluld be the same, both 100% pure H2O, but I trust rain water more, to be filled with heavenly goodness, just a hunch, no proof.

But I digress. I did buy some Borax off that certain online marketplace, have been taking it for 3 days now. No ill effects. I lick my finger, put it in the borax to pick some up, literally only like 20 grains or so, minimal for low risk, will increase to maybe 50 grains after a week, meaning I will dip in the very tip of my finger instead of the very very tip I'm dipping presently. Can't be too careful. I have yet to discover any benefit.

I've read every post on here but it would be nice to have a kind of poll, with anyone claiming to have benefitted directly from Borax, to see how many have, and after how long, and in what form. If my back gets better it will be from Borax because I have tried EVERYTHING over the years, nothing has helped so far.

[Trisher]

You now have to phone them (Intralabs) and make a phone order for it Rolci. I just checked with them and they have it in stock but it appears that it is out of stock on their website.

[TravelerJim]

It appears to me that Intralabs are completely out of stock on Borax. Am I doing something wrong? The other two sites mentioned here lately, one is Romanian, the other is Turkish. I haven't researched this topic enough to know if these sources can be trusted or not, I am generally wary of anything that comes from countries like these, with the exception of Himalayan pink salt from Pakistan that I used to use to mineralise my distilled water. I stopped that now, I just drink distilled water, have been for years now, without anything added. In fact I use rain water, and only distil it when it's been more than 2 weeks since the last cleaning and disifecting of the barrel. Before that I just drink rain water. Chemically they shluld be the same, both 100% pure H2O, but I trust rain water more, to be filled with heavenly goodness, just a hunch, no proof.

But I digress. I did buy some Borax off that certain online marketplace, have been taking it for 3 days now. No ill effects. I lick my finger, put it in the borax to pick some up, literally only like 20 grains or so, minimal for low risk, will increase to maybe 50 grains after a week, meaning I will dip in the very tip of my finger instead of the very very tip I'm dipping presently. Can't be too careful. I have yet to discover any benefit.

I've read every post on here but it would be nice to have a kind of poll, with anyone claiming to have benefitted directly from Borax, to see how many have, and after how long, and in what form. If my back gets better it will be from Borax because I have tried EVERYTHING over the years, nothing has helped so far.

Earth Clinic has a very long thread or Boron and Borax, and some good information: https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/borax.html

[Trisher]

Thank you TravellerJim for the link to the Earth Clinic information.

This is another site that has detailed Borax information and its uses.

https://growyouthful.com/remedy/borax.php

[XelNaga]

I shared this quite a while back, but the Borax I found (and take) that's definitely food grade is this:

https://amazon.com/gp/product/B00QK4LUD6

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61Y-zMhSviL._AC_SX425_.jpg

Even on the label it states: "Pure & Clean Bulk Nutrition".

It may be worth searching for this on other countries' Amazon sites — or even getting it shipped from the US. (This 1 lb package lasts a LONG time.)

This link from Bill to Amazon had me wondering what the difference was between different types of Borax being sold and what was the best to buy. I was particularly interested in the 10 molar definition.
I went to my online supplier (intralabs) and found this description.

"Borax is a naturally occurring mineral deposit produced by repeated evaporation of lakes and riverbeds. The term Borax loosely refers several different chemical compounds based around the Sodium Tetraborate structure with varying number of water molecules attached to it. The most commonly occurring Borax compounds are: Borax Anhydrous (Anhydrous means “without water”), Borax Pentahydrate (Pentahydrate means 5 water molecules), Borax Decahydrate (Decahydrate means 10 water molecules). An example of the Borate anion structure which bonds ionically to Sodium (Na) and any water molecules is shown to the right.


Borax Properties

Borax (in any form) is a white crystalline solid at room temparature and is chemically stable under normal storage conditions; Borax Decahydrate has a molar mass of 381.38, its melting point is 1016 Kelvin (743 C) and its boliding point is 1848 Kelvin (1575 C). The solubility of Borax increases with water temperature; at 0C water temperature Borax will dissolve to produce a maximum % by weight saturated solution of 1.99% in contrast at 100C water temperature this increases to 65.64%. When dissolved in water Borax hydrolyses to produce a mildly alkaline solution which maintains a constant pH level.

So Intralabs are basically selling the same pure 10 mol which is the Borax Decahydrate which is the Borax to buy for health reasons. Apart from the 10 mols its best to be aware of the source of the Borax to ensure it is from a clean source as stated below....
I got this from the Amazon link "prescribed for Life" from the Q and A section.

Is this food grade?
Answer:
The FDA does not allow any Borax to be classified as Food Grade. This product is as pure and natural as it is when mined, here in the US. This product is very water soluble and is 10 molar, whereas other sources are 5 molar, which are not as water soluble and therefore contain more impurities. Our Borax is the purest form available on the market. I hope this helps in answering your concerns. thanks
By Prescribed For Life

I then went to the official line on safety on intralabs to find out why it is restricted in many places now.

Is Borax Safe?
The short answer is Yes, Borax can be handled like table salt and short term exposure presents very little risk. Before the year 2010 you could enter your local chemist or pharmacy and pick up some borax easily. It was used for many things and hailed by some as a “wonder powder”. Then in June 2010 the ECHA (European Chemicals Agency) submitted a supporting document to the Member State Committee to request reclassification of Disodium TetraBorate, Anhydrous (Borax) and it hydrated forms because of its repro-toxic properties. Borax is now listed in the ‘Substances of Very High Concern’ list and it has been reclassified as Hazard class – Re-protoxic, Category – 1B. Any product that contains above a particular % concentration of borax (about 4-8%) should display the warning “May damage fertility, may cause harm to the unborn child” and be restricted to professional use.

I have used small amounts for years as have others. It is now missing from many soils and supplementing is essential for some people and as stated before on this thread it will help those that must have the vaccine.


XelNaga

Does Trisher's post help?

Hi Zirconian,

Yes, it helps, thanks. I've read through this thread at one go, so some informations got lost in the process :o

I've also read online that biggest mining sites of Borax are in Turkey and California, so this must be the real deal.

I'll give it a go and post about my experience with this.

Thank you all.

[XelNaga]

Hi Friends,

Many thanks for all info and experiences presented here. Thank you Bill and Zirconian for recommending this thread to me :happythumbsup:

I decided to try Borax, mostly because of what I read here about teeth and pineal gland decalcifying. I don't use any medicines nor any supplements, this will be the only thing I use so I guess it makes me a perfect lab rat for this :sherlock:

If someone would be kind enough to share your opinion about what I bought, it says on it: "sodium tetraborate 99,9%, made in Turkey".
I bought it in what is called here "healthy food store", although they don't sell it as a food supplement of course.

1 kg is 8.22 USD. Picture of it is bellow, packaging looks rather bad :(

Please advice before I try this, thanks :o

Say thanks that you are not yet in EU and you can find forbidden things there.I strongly recommend you to make supplies of such stuff,otherwise you'll not find them after the admission in EU.Also if you can buy potassium permanganate in crystal form,buy a few kilos of it and keep them in dry and dark place.

I;m still struggling to buy borax from here:https://polymed.ro/borax-tetraborat.html https://polymed.ro/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x/bdedb93e6aad112ec98e1622bfa9fad9/b/o/borax1_1.jpg

It's about the same price/kg as your even if on the bottle is written 5% Solution,description said crystals.

I think that finally I'll buy it from you.

Hi EFO,

Believe me, I'm very glad that we are not in EU. Only good thing about being a member of EU is less hustle when traveling and it makes business a lot easier, because of no borders and customs service.

I look at it this way: we have a bad government that makes problems for us, but if we were a member of the EU, than we would have a government on top of our government, so double-trouble :shielddeflect:

Anyway, do you perhaps know someone who travels to Serbia often? If you do, I'll be more than willing to buy some of this Borax for you, and to meet with that person to give it to him/her. I'm not sure that if I send it to you via some courier service that it will reach you, since it is banned there.

Or if you are traveling through Serbia on some occasion, even better :clapping:

Kind regards friend..

[Zirconian]

Hi Friends,

Many thanks for all info and experiences presented here. Thank you Bill and Zirconian for recommending this thread to me :happythumbsup:

I decided to try Borax, mostly because of what I read here about teeth and pineal gland decalcifying. I don't use any medicines nor any supplements, this will be the only thing I use so I guess it makes me a perfect lab rat for this :sherlock:

If someone would be kind enough to share your opinion about what I bought, it says on it: "sodium tetraborate 99,9%, made in Turkey".
I bought it in what is called here "healthy food store", although they don't sell it as a food supplement of course.

1 kg is 8.22 USD. Picture of it is bellow, packaging looks rather bad :(

Please advice before I try this, thanks :o

Say thanks that you are not yet in EU and you can find forbidden things there.I strongly recommend you to make supplies of such stuff,otherwise you'll not find them after the admission in EU.Also if you can buy potassium permanganate in crystal form,buy a few kilos of it and keep them in dry and dark place.

I;m still struggling to buy borax from here:https://polymed.ro/borax-tetraborat.html https://polymed.ro/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x/bdedb93e6aad112ec98e1622bfa9fad9/b/o/borax1_1.jpg

It's about the same price/kg as your even if on the bottle is written 5% Solution,description said crystals.

I think that finally I'll buy it from you.

Hi EFO,

Believe me, I'm very glad that we are not in EU. Only good thing about being a member of EU is less hustle when traveling and it makes business a lot easier, because of no borders and customs service.

I look at it this way: we have a bad government that makes problems for us, but if we were a member of the EU, than we would have a government on top of our government, so double-trouble :shielddeflect:

Anyway, do you perhaps know someone who travels to Serbia often? If you do, I'll be more than willing to buy some of this Borax for you, and to meet with that person to give it to him/her. I'm not sure that if I send it to you via some courier service that it will reach you, since it is banned there.

Or if you are traveling through Serbia on some occasion, even better :clapping:

Kind regards friend..

Hope you get your supply soon.

[EFO]

Hi Friends,

Many thanks for all info and experiences presented here. Thank you Bill and Zirconian for recommending this thread to me :happythumbsup:

I decided to try Borax, mostly because of what I read here about teeth and pineal gland decalcifying. I don't use any medicines nor any supplements, this will be the only thing I use so I guess it makes me a perfect lab rat for this :sherlock:

If someone would be kind enough to share your opinion about what I bought, it says on it: "sodium tetraborate 99,9%, made in Turkey".
I bought it in what is called here "healthy food store", although they don't sell it as a food supplement of course.

1 kg is 8.22 USD. Picture of it is bellow, packaging looks rather bad :(

Please advice before I try this, thanks :o

Say thanks that you are not yet in EU and you can find forbidden things there.I strongly recommend you to make supplies of such stuff,otherwise you'll not find them after the admission in EU.Also if you can buy potassium permanganate in crystal form,buy a few kilos of it and keep them in dry and dark place.

I;m still struggling to buy borax from here:https://polymed.ro/borax-tetraborat.html https://polymed.ro/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x/bdedb93e6aad112ec98e1622bfa9fad9/b/o/borax1_1.jpg

It's about the same price/kg as your even if on the bottle is written 5% Solution,description said crystals.

I think that finally I'll buy it from you.

Hi EFO,

Believe me, I'm very glad that we are not in EU. Only good thing about being a member of EU is less hustle when traveling and it makes business a lot easier, because of no borders and customs service.

I look at it this way: we have a bad government that makes problems for us, but if we were a member of the EU, than we would have a government on top of our government, so double-trouble :shielddeflect:

Anyway, do you perhaps know someone who travels to Serbia often? If you do, I'll be more than willing to buy some of this Borax for you, and to meet with that person to give it to him/her. I'm not sure that if I send it to you via some courier service that it will reach you, since it is banned there.

Or if you are traveling through Serbia on some occasion, even better :clapping:

Kind regards friend..

No border traveling is applied only in Schengen space,all the rest still have borders and custom services (Romania to Hungary still have old fashion custom and this is also available for Bulgaria,but once passing the border,indeed traveling are free).

With your ideas are excellent and also make me craving for a short and fast trip :rofl: like in old days,but I don't have a passport for this trip and I'm thinking deeply about making a passport,leaving the car in Timisoara and taking the morning train to destination and returning in the same day in the evening.A sort of shopping and meeting trip. :) I will let you know when I'll intent to do this.

The trip will not be expensive at all and would be a pleasure to meet a friend a talk around a cup of coffee!

[EFO]

Hi Friends,

Many thanks for all info and experiences presented here. Thank you Bill and Zirconian for recommending this thread to me :happythumbsup:

I decided to try Borax, mostly because of what I read here about teeth and pineal gland decalcifying. I don't use any medicines nor any supplements, this will be the only thing I use so I guess it makes me a perfect lab rat for this :sherlock:

If someone would be kind enough to share your opinion about what I bought, it says on it: "sodium tetraborate 99,9%, made in Turkey".
I bought it in what is called here "healthy food store", although they don't sell it as a food supplement of course.

1 kg is 8.22 USD. Picture of it is bellow, packaging looks rather bad :(

Please advice before I try this, thanks :o

Say thanks that you are not yet in EU and you can find forbidden things there.I strongly recommend you to make supplies of such stuff,otherwise you'll not find them after the admission in EU.Also if you can buy potassium permanganate in crystal form,buy a few kilos of it and keep them in dry and dark place.

I;m still struggling to buy borax from here:https://polymed.ro/borax-tetraborat.html https://polymed.ro/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x/bdedb93e6aad112ec98e1622bfa9fad9/b/o/borax1_1.jpg

It's about the same price/kg as your even if on the bottle is written 5% Solution,description said crystals.

I think that finally I'll buy it from you.

Hi EFO,

Believe me, I'm very glad that we are not in EU. Only good thing about being a member of EU is less hustle when traveling and it makes business a lot easier, because of no borders and customs service.

I look at it this way: we have a bad government that makes problems for us, but if we were a member of the EU, than we would have a government on top of our government, so double-trouble :shielddeflect:

Anyway, do you perhaps know someone who travels to Serbia often? If you do, I'll be more than willing to buy some of this Borax for you, and to meet with that person to give it to him/her. I'm not sure that if I send it to you via some courier service that it will reach you, since it is banned there.

Or if you are traveling through Serbia on some occasion, even better :clapping:

Kind regards friend..

Hope you get your supply soon.

Thank you for your good words and thought Zirconian!:heart:

What is for sure is that I will made a trip to Serbia.XelNaga's stuff is more reliable than what is possible to buy from Romanian supplier thanks to his posted photo.:happythumbsup:

[XelNaga]

Hi Friends,

Many thanks for all info and experiences presented here. Thank you Bill and Zirconian for recommending this thread to me :happythumbsup:

I decided to try Borax, mostly because of what I read here about teeth and pineal gland decalcifying. I don't use any medicines nor any supplements, this will be the only thing I use so I guess it makes me a perfect lab rat for this :sherlock:

If someone would be kind enough to share your opinion about what I bought, it says on it: "sodium tetraborate 99,9%, made in Turkey".
I bought it in what is called here "healthy food store", although they don't sell it as a food supplement of course.

1 kg is 8.22 USD. Picture of it is bellow, packaging looks rather bad :(

Please advice before I try this, thanks :o

Say thanks that you are not yet in EU and you can find forbidden things there.I strongly recommend you to make supplies of such stuff,otherwise you'll not find them after the admission in EU.Also if you can buy potassium permanganate in crystal form,buy a few kilos of it and keep them in dry and dark place.

I;m still struggling to buy borax from here:https://polymed.ro/borax-tetraborat.html https://polymed.ro/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x/bdedb93e6aad112ec98e1622bfa9fad9/b/o/borax1_1.jpg

It's about the same price/kg as your even if on the bottle is written 5% Solution,description said crystals.

I think that finally I'll buy it from you.

Hi EFO,

Believe me, I'm very glad that we are not in EU. Only good thing about being a member of EU is less hustle when traveling and it makes business a lot easier, because of no borders and customs service.

I look at it this way: we have a bad government that makes problems for us, but if we were a member of the EU, than we would have a government on top of our government, so double-trouble :shielddeflect:

Anyway, do you perhaps know someone who travels to Serbia often? If you do, I'll be more than willing to buy some of this Borax for you, and to meet with that person to give it to him/her. I'm not sure that if I send it to you via some courier service that it will reach you, since it is banned there.

Or if you are traveling through Serbia on some occasion, even better :clapping:

Kind regards friend..

No border traveling is applied only in Schengen space,all the rest still have borders and custom services (Romania to Hungary still have old fashion custom and this is also available for Bulgaria,but once passing the border,indeed traveling are free).

With your ideas are excellent and also make me craving for a short and fast trip :rofl: like in old days,but I don't have a passport for this trip and I'm thinking deeply about making a passport,leaving the car in Timisoara and taking the morning train to destination and returning in the same day in the evening.A sort of shopping and meeting trip. :) I will let you know when I'll intent to do this.

The trip will not be expensive at all and would be a pleasure to meet a friend a talk around a cup of coffee!

Hi EFO,

Yeah, it's like there is a "real" EU for the privileged countries, and the "other" EU for countries they do not like very much. Balkan has been discriminated against for a very long time, they think they are much better than us, but they are wrong.

That would be very nice indeed, like a fun and useful little field trip :Party: We have a really good and tasty food in Serbia, everyone who comes here is always delighted with our food, and our beautiful ladies, of course :happythumbsup: I hope that we will meet each other soon, have a nice lunch, coffee and a long friendly talk.

If and when you decide to come, please let me know a little bit earlier, so I can properly arrange some free time from work, and also to buy this Borax, so that we will not have to waste time on it.

Kind regards my friend..

[Rolci]

Getting back to the topic of Borax, I feel compelled to WARN EVERYONE!

There is a LOT of Borax on ebay that comes in clear packaging, also most 20 Mule Team products say in the description "repackaged into clear bags". If you check the feedback of these sellers you will often find that many buyers report it doesn't work even for slime. The same sellers will have a lot of negative feedback for many of their other products, like AZTEC clay for face mask, with people reporting it's definitely fake because they used the real deal before at this is definitely not it. If they fake one product they likely fake others / all. Whether this is opportunistic behavious for profit (isn't borax mineral supposed to be cheap to mine?) or there is a plot by Big Pharma paying a few people to sell fakes so the news doesn't become widespread and people stay sick, who knows. Would make sense, if you have the money and power, it would be a sensible step to take, like an insurance investment. Keep them sick.

In any case it's simple to conclude that these sellers get some cheap substitute of EVERYTHING and sell all sorts of fake substances "cheaper". Please DO NOT BUY OR USE any Borax that comes in a clear bag, you'll be thinking you're decalcifying your pineal gland while you kill yourself with something that isn't even Borax. Only buy 20 Mule in ORIGINAL packaging, or the Prescribed for Life brand. Buying a little cheaper to save a couple bucks is too much risk when you're buying a chemical compound you intend to ingest. I won't buy Prescribed for Life as I'm not willing to pay $$96.78 for shipping. Simply absurd for something that is as dodgy as Borax where if the benefits were really that miraculous word of mouth would spread like wildfire, as with HydroxyChloroquine and Ivermectin.

I personally will give 20 Mule a go, with the awareness that it's not meant to be food grade. I don't see what the difference can be (other than possible minor contamination). Borax is Borax, no? As long as it's Borax. Also Earth Clinic recommends 20 Mule:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXqlBVXUI98

[Anka]

Let's go back to Borax, but especially to the level of conspiracy.
In my country, for 50 years during communism, no person could even receive a greeting card without being verified. Nothing came in and nothing came out of the country, out of control. When communism ended, a period of 30 years followed after which we entered the European community.

I would like every citizen of the European community (which is not a union for people), it is a union for interests "greater" than human, to take up residence for a month and live in Romania; during which time, he can order everything he wants from ebay. The problem is not the long duration of receiving the package, the problem is that you have to get out of bed, take the train and present yourself with the identity card, at customs which you belong to with your home, this is not a problem either; it becomes a problem when the customs officer opens your package (according to the procedure, all are open) and tells you that any chemical is prohibited (there are almost 2000 prohibited items); (a month ago I had to pay around thousands of euros bribe for a package that I was forced to return), and then you have two choices:
-To return the package or pay a bribe according to the "good mood of the customs officer that day" and both are related to "the freedom and beauty of being a European citizen in my country".
You do not have to have experience in counterintelligence to find out that every ordinary person in Romania understands why exports or imports or even human rights are so conditioned.

We are not at all a click away from ordering from ebay, but this is just life, while others complain of pity saying that they can no longer live and that they are barely alive, we Romanians are tired of surviving for 80 years and we want to live, after all we are all human beings and we have the patience to understand each other, we are together in this.
This is the explanation that not everyone can easily order from the platforms, sometimes the flag makes a difference and people still suffer.
Only my first and last intervention. I don't need a debate to know that I can hardly get my substance., but I need a compliment because I human too and I need medicine.:focus:

[Rolci]

Not sure how to help, Anka. My best and simplest idea: move. Find another place to live. Most people that are not happy where they are do. However you are luckier than 90% of the population of this planet. You are in the EU. You have freedom of movement. You can find a job in another country. UK, Germany, Spain... If you were living in Pakistan, or Bangladesh, or Sudan, or Zimbabwe, Niger or Venezuela, you wouldn't have the kind if freedom you have.

Indeed, back to Borax. I thought it was hard to get in America. I probably just misunderstood. Just found out that you can get it from Target for $4.69.

https://www.target.com/p/-/A-13315486#lnk=sametab

Dirt cheap. I believe this is what they are re-selling on the ebay site for £20, the one seller that does not "repackage". If 20 Mule is so cheap and readily available in the US why doesn't someone set up a small international delivery business to help members of forums like this? I do many similar things, but not with Borax of course. Economy international postage can't be too high for a package under 2 kilos. Could even do 20kg at a time to one person in one country who can then pass it on to others in that country, like a hub. Since it's banned in most places... Or is this a bad idea?

[Rolci]

Would someone please kindly describe the taste of Borax for anyone that might have doubt they have the real deal? We need a way to IDENTIFY the substance beyond doubt. Is there a simple experiment doable in the kitchen that works for Borax and nothing else? I'm not aware.

[Blacklight43]

To me it tastes like soap!

[Trisher]

Would someone please kindly describe the taste of Borax for anyone that might have doubt they have the real deal? We need a way to IDENTIFY the substance beyond doubt. Is there a simple experiment doable in the kitchen that works for Borax and nothing else? I'm not aware.

Not very scientific but you can make slime with Borax and PVA glue. I find that the slime does not do well if its not proper PVA glue and if I add too much borax.
Instructions on making slime here.
https://www.thoughtco.com/step-by-step-slime-instructions-604173

The PH of Borax is around 9.3 - 9.5.

It tastes soapy and is a white powder.

:flower:

[Rolci]

Thank you, based on that our borax might as well be simple washing powder. The question is, is it cheaper to mine borax or is it cheaper to formulate washing powder. You see borax replacement these days as the crackdown on borax gains pace. How do we know that our borax is really borax? Based on trust of the supplier and nothing else? Can they not have been misled too? I'd expect soe foul play aimed at contamination the market, even at eliminating alternative medicine consumers that spend time raising awareness. It would seem a good opportunity and no one to blame since the warning always says "do not consume". I do not feel confident consuming something that may be nothing more than ordinary cheap washing powder, white and tasting soapy. A lab experiment we can do at home would be useful.

[Jaye B.]

I live in death valley where borax oozes out of the ground and take approximately 1/16th of a teaspoon of it along with baking soda and lemon juice in about 32 oz of h20. I started doing this over a year ago and have not gotten ill once since then. I do take breaks from ingesting it every once in awhile.

[Bill Ryan]

Thank you, based on that our borax might as well be simple washing powder.Well, commercial washing powder contains all kinds of added chemicals. We might remember the dangerous idiocy of the fad a little while ago of teenagers eating Tide Pods (https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-teenagers-eat-tide-pods-2018013013241).

NOT recommended!! The borax to consume for health and wellness is a simple mineral (sodium borate), and it can be bought specifically as food-grade. I've been taking it daily for a couple years now, and I'm not yet blowing bubbles when I breathe. :)

[gord]

The 20 Mule Team Borax available in the US lists one ingredient: sodium tetraborate. Indeed, their trademark is One Ingredient, Many Uses™. According to wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax), Borax is known as sodium borate, sodium tetraborate, or disodium tetraborate. I do know it's great in my laundry.

[s7e6e]

Would someone please kindly describe the taste of Borax for anyone that might have doubt they have the real deal? We need a way to IDENTIFY the substance beyond doubt. Is there a simple experiment doable in the kitchen that works for Borax and nothing else? I'm not aware.

Borax tastes like diluted baking soda. It shouldn't taste like soap or a cleaning product (try taste dish soap and see how potent it is). And if the label says to call the ambulance if somehow you swallowed it, you definitely have the good stuff.

This is what we get in Australia at $3 each. If anyone in Oz could recommend something better or comment, I'd be grateful.

[amor]

I noticed a suggestion that Pine Needle Tea would help as a detoxifyer. I believe that is the same as a very tiny amount of terpentine which is entirely the blood of the pine tree and is used to heal terrible wounds along with coconut oil. Do some research on this natural healing substance. It should be pure without additives.

[amor]

As a detoxifying health measure, I am trying Nuubu patches used overnight on the bottom of the feet. The patch turns pitch black on first trial (supposedly toxins drawn from the body). Subsequent nights will find the toxin draw gets lighter and lighter. Said to be used by the ancient Japanese for stay healthy. You may find it under Nuubu.com. It is quite cheap.

[Anchor]

I got a surplus British Army camouflage combat smock, which I will mainly use to photograph animals - I stand out less and it terrifies the neighbours. When I got it is smelled like it had been in a warehouse for several decades and I soaked it overnight in Borax solution and now its drying with the smell almost undetectable. Gonna fry it in the winter sun tomorrow and I reckon it will be ready to wear.

Borax is great stuff for so many things!

[picolins]

I have never used borax, because it is banned in the EU.


I see a number of people saying that you can't buy it in the EU. I bought some in Spain. I got it for some mold in our flat walls that appears in winter, then read about it's health benefits. (It wasn't easy to find, but not too hard after a bit of internet search). Mine came from a small store, but this is on the company on the label:
http://www.tequima.es/products/borax (http://www.tequima.es/products/borax/)

Wikipedia says that it needs to be labeled in the EU, but doesn't say it's banned.
a thread about sourcing alternative remedy ingredients would be useful. I have been looking at getting some 100% gum turpentine spirits here.

[Vicus]

You may not be able to imagine that borax, this humble insecticide and laundry detergent, has the potential of singlehandedly bringing down our entire economic system. But you do not need to worry, the danger has been recognised and the necessary steps are already being taken to defuse the situation. I will start with the basics and you will understand what I mean as the story unfolds.

Borax is a naturally occurring mineral commonly mined from dried salt lakes, and is the source of other manufactured boron compounds. The main deposits are in California and Turkey. Chemical names are sodium tetraborate decahydrate, disodium tetraborate decahydrate, or simply sodium borate. This means it contains four atoms of boron as its central feature combined with two sodium atoms and ten molecules (or sometimes less) of crystallisation water - decahydrate means 10 water molecules, pentahydrate 5, and anhydrate or anhydrous borax means no crystallisation water; chemically it is all the same.

Borax is commonly sold as technical or agricultural grade with 99 to 99.5% minimum purity. Potential impurities consist of sodium, potassium, calcium, chloride, bicarbonate, carbonate, sulphate and phosphate but not toxic or heavy metals. This grade includes the borax commonly used as household cleaner. Pharmaceutical grade is not noticeably purer or better.

Borax is the sodium salt of the weak boric acid. Because sodium is more strongly alkaline, this makes a solution of borax strongly alkaline with a pH between 9 and 10 (pH 7 is neutral). When ingested, it reacts with hydrochloric acid in the stomach to form boric acid and sodium chloride. The boron content of Borax is 11.3% while for boric acid it is 17.5% or about 50% higher. Ingested boron compounds are rapidly and nearly completely excreted with the urine. Formerly boric acid was widely used as a preservative in foods but is now banned for this purpose in most countries, and is also banned from public sale in Australia.

According to conventional medicine it is not known if boron is essential for humans but research shows that we do need it. The reason why it was difficult to answer this question is the presence of boron in all plants and unprocessed foods. Diets with a fair amount of fruit and vegetables provide about 2 to 5 mg of boron per day, but this also depends on the region where the food was grown and how it was grown.

In reality the average intake in developed countries is 1-2 mg of boron per day. Institutionalized patients may receive only 0.25 mg of daily boron. Chemical fertilizers inhibit the uptake of boron from the soil: an organic apple grown in good soil may have 20 mg boron, but if grown with fertilizer it may have only 1 mg of boron. Fertilizers combined with poor food choices have greatly reduced our boron intake compared to 50 or 100 years ago.

Further, unhealthy cooking methods greatly reduce the availability of boron from food. The cooking water of vegetables containing most of the minerals may be discarded during home cooking or commercial processing; phytic acid in baked goods, cereals and cooked legumes may greatly reduce availability, while gluten sensitivity and Candida overgrowth inhibit the absorption of minerals. All this makes health problems due to boron deficiency now very common.


Health Effects of Boron

The Arthritis Cure of Rex Newnham

Osteoporosis and Sex Hormones

Fungi and Fluoride


Calcium-Magnesium Metabolism


What and How Much to Use


Restrictions in the EU


The Assault on Borax

https://www.sott.net/article/487519-The-borax-conspiracy-How-the-arthritis-cure-has-been-stopped

[AnitaT]

The first 20 minutes is really good, if you can't watch the whole thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJp7SW1pY2I

TJp7SW1pY2I






Some of this has already been posted, but here is a good link
https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/borax.html



Some information on dosages part way down
https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1473187


Somewhere, I will find it, I have a chart that tells you how much boron is in how much borax.



When I started myself, I over did it and had a herkimer reaction, so I had to back down to almost nothing and build it up slowly.

[Rosencross]

The guy Rex Newnham who plays a part in the paper "The Borax Conspiracy" was in my class at Naturopathic College and was an interesting guy. We spoke a lot about that substance.

Anyway just reminiscing but as I started to get a few aches and pains in my dotage I started with some Borax and within a couple of weeks found much relief.

I add 1 teaspoon of Borax to 1 litre of water for a concentrate (keep it in the fridge) and take 1 or 2 teaspoons of that a day.

It works really well for me, it even makes me chuckle a bit when I think kindly of Rex with each teaspoon.

[AnitaT]

That is an awesome memory!

[John Hilton]

I've just read through this entire discussion. I've been taking boric acid daily since BC (before covid). I don't know the exact amount. I just heap a tiny plastic stirrer "spoon" that came with a take-away coffee. I take it in coffee or plain water.

Also a search of my Hard Drives produced the following links:-
(Yes, I know some have been posted and discussed already.)

Borax

The Borax Conspiracy - "How The Arthritis Cure Has Been Stopped" by Walter Last
http://loveforlife.com.au/content/13/06/27/borax-conspiracy-how-arthritis-cure-has-been-stopped-walter-last
https://files.catbox.moe/dqdag6.pdf

Other links
https://files.catbox.moe/n7atyb.MP4
https://archive.li/XXjqW
https://archive.md/LwZ1y
https://web.archive.org/web/20121011124552/
http://health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55dzxz_-gik
https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/borax.html

PLEASE don't quote this list as I might edit or update it later. I'm doing this in a hurry (before I forget) as I'm about to go out for lunch.

Notes: I buy it as "foot powder" from a local pharmacy but it's clearly labelled as Pharmacopaeia Boric Acid.
I don't have arthritis but I do have a form of tendonitis, which progressed to "trigger finger" (thanks, I think, to a specific antibiotic!) However, this has subsided so now I just have slight stiffness in the fingers. I can't quite clench my fist fully but it's not painful. I can't say whether the boric acid helped or whether the numerous other supplements helped or whether it recovered naturally.

OK, gotta go!

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Hello John Hilton. Thanks for the links.

I bought a large quantity of Borax, some time ago. I had been taking it for several months, then stopped. I think I will begin taking it again...It does help with all kinds of inflammations, that I know. Like you, I have (at the moment) one "trigger finger" (right hand), I had one on the left hand too. The one on my left hand is pretty much gone now, but on my right hand, it is still there and hurting.
It's pretty sure that this was caused by a particular medicine, empagliflozin which is also called jardiance.

Nowadays I mainly take chaga (mushroom, as a tea), and mumijo. But I should add some supplements as well.

Thanks again!