When Will They Land?

[jiminii]

This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim

[Arejay]

Jim is rite. I've felt this way for a while now and couldn't figure out how to put it in words. I love the way it is to feel like I'm part of something bigger and more important than myself.

[eaglespirit]

They've already landed, and we are they! : )

http://ule-w-ritgen.de/pix/pictures/aquilasuite/autumn_leaves.jpg

[Nat_Lee]

This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim

That is always what I as when I meditate !
Making the change easy and smooth for all that lives !
I really connect with this thought Jim !
Thank you for sharing this !

[sirdipswitch]

THEY... landed a long time ago... and created us.

More landed... and re-created us.

Then more... and more... and more...

And we... are no longer... pure...

WE... are GMO.

And WE... can no longer go home...

This is our home... THIS... is where we belong.

We have the genes of so many races... that we no longer fit... anywhere but here...

WE are UNIQUE.. in the Universe.

It is because of our very uniqueness, that Source decided to place ITs' Immortal Spirit, within us.

And it is because of this Immortal Spirit within... that we are capable of achieving 12th density.

To become an Immortal Physical Being... :wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Jake]

I have visited home... It is not the same. :( This is my home now!!! :)

Jake.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim


It's what I've waiting for all my life. It's why I'm here.

[Sebastion]

I hate to rain on your parade Jiminii, but if you knew anything about consciousness at all, you would know that it doesn't work that way. What you have stated is a pipe dream. There isn't going to be any sudden mass enlightenment that will not shock everyone. One has to earn their way for there is no one nor no-thing that is capable of handing it to you on a silver platter, sorry it just doesn't work that way. Lingering in la-la land and wishful thinking is not doing the inner work necessary to move forward.

I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen....




This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim

[KiwiElf]

A simple question: would you want to land in a war zone where "humankind" is the only species on planet Earth that makes war against itself??

[donk]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kr2O4_b9WeE/TdMF3qhDeJI/AAAAAAAACiM/omHGHdiHKNs/s1600/633701136919450060-DarkHelmet.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

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This isn't exactly what Jim was saying here -- but as a footnote: We DO have to watch out for the possibility of a False Flag Landing.

(i.e: Apparently friendly ETs offering to help us with all our problems, but actually being Trojan Horses -- Problem-Reaction-ET 'Solution'.)

For more on this, see this thread, in which a very interesting extract from Karla Turner's book TAKEN is quoted:

Alien Agenda Exposed? (From Karla Turner's book 'Taken') (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63885-Alien-Agenda-Exposed--From-Karla-Turner-s-book-Taken--)

The relevant part of that extract is this bit:





In our current situation, the aliens are once again doing genetic alterations of our species and are once again trying to produce a variant which will be more useful for their purposes and which will supplant us. And again it will be attempted through deception, as Jacob deceived Isaac. This deception, I was told, is being carried out by the aliens through exploitation and manipulation of global events, including weather phenomenon, to make us believe that the planet is in imminent danger of cataclysm and destruction.

This is why they impress the idea of coming destruction upon so many abductees, telling then they will have tasks to perform at that time. They want us, as a race, to be so afraid of this upcoming destruction that when they show themselves openly and offer to save us in some way, we will be willing to take their help, even if it means giving up our birthright, so to speak, which is preeminence on this planet.
Here's the book itself:

http://projectavalon.net/TAKEN_Karla_Turner.pdf

[Christine]

Hey Sebastion,

No matter what happens next, and agreed! it takes the work of ages to come to Consciousness and accept the full return home to Source. Not many have made it, and the paths are as varied as there are Beings. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water, our uniqueness quite often divides us when it should unite us.

We are all States of Consciousness. I can't say for you where you reside, only YOU KNOW. I certainly wouldn't want to but a dam in your concept of infinity and eternity.

My two cents. :)

Christine


I hate to rain on your parade Jiminii, but if you knew anything about consciousness at all, you would know that it doesn't work that way. What you have stated is a pipe dream. There isn't going to be any sudden mass enlightenment that will not shock everyone. One has to earn their way for there is no one nor no-thing that is capable of handing it to you on a silver platter, sorry it just doesn't work that way. Lingering in la-la land and wishful thinking is not doing the inner work necessary to move forward.

I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen....




This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim

[Flash]

I hate to rain on your parade Jiminii, but if you knew anything about consciousness at all, you would know that it doesn't work that way. What you have stated is a pipe dream. There isn't going to be any sudden mass enlightenment that will not shock everyone. One has to earn their way for there is no one nor no-thing that is capable of handing it to you on a silver platter, sorry it just doesn't work that way. Lingering in la-la land and wishful thinking is not doing the inner work necessary to move forward.

I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen....




This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim


Yes, work is long and tedious for most of us, to get there, where work is sitll hard but with a different consciousness, or with consciousness. But for some, it is not the case, they already achieved that needed consciousness. And I do hope we have a good number of them on earth, they are the ones that will hold the place steady and by doing so, will make it easier for all of us.

I think Jimmini is talking about this, the ones holding the planet in a secure consciousness for us, until we get it. Now, if we did our work, we may get it faster than we would normally if they were not there holding the space/place for us.

Thanks Jimminy and others alike.

[jiminii]

I hate to rain on your parade Jiminii, but if you knew anything about consciousness at all, you would know that it doesn't work that way. What you have stated is a pipe dream. There isn't going to be any sudden mass enlightenment that will not shock everyone. One has to earn their way for there is no one nor no-thing that is capable of handing it to you on a silver platter, sorry it just doesn't work that way. Lingering in la-la land and wishful thinking is not doing the inner work necessary to move forward.

I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen....




This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim

this thread is for each person to put their own personal viewpoint whether it is workable or not has nothing to do with it
If you have never experienced this kind of power then how would you know.

people go to places where Christ was and there is so much theta there that they become healed from it. (theta is thought source where everything comes from)

So when these top beings switch to their new state, it will create a similar effect and each person on the planet will have some change in their awareness, and happiness.

that is all I am saying

jim

[Christine]

Hi KiwiElf,

We are not the only a warring planet and what happens here affects the rest. And I think we can really surmise that we are not a pure species but hybrids. Due to all of the manipulations and fact that we have been controlled there are those who come to help. It gets pretty complex and I can only say that I have a limited understanding.

A REALLY good question to ask, if I may paraphrase you is: What is it about us that is so important?

Christine


A simple question: would you want to land in a war zone where "humankind" is the only species on planet Earth that makes war against itself??

[KiwiElf]

I believe that it is inevitable that every single one of us has the potential to be "God-like"... and we have been repressed from doing so by some alien/human entities who fear us becoming so powerful. But that kind of power must be controlled or we could wipe ourselves out in a blink. First, we must grow up. Thoughts become "things". We are indeed the creators of our reality.

[Flash]

Nothing about us that is so important. Nothing.

But consiousness is, we incarnate consciousness when we are at our full development. This is important, consciousness.

The question then is, are we going to put the efforts to get there on one hand, and, on the other hand, have the impediments taken away, by us, to get there?

Are we going to open up to the energies that are sent to us, always, to help us climb the ladder? Yet, we are the one to climb, nobody will or should do it for us.

Otherwise, there is nothing important about us, nothing.

[Sebastion]

In answer to you Christine, my entire life has been spent listening, observing people, all the while studying "consciousness". I started very young because I knew I didn't belong here and thus had many unanswerable questions which I had to have answers for, no matter the cost. Such was my passion to "know". After following many paths and much study, I knew no one on earth had acceptable answers to any of my questions.

I learned to astral travel and from that point, went beyond the astral, the causal and mental regions into the "higher realms" of pure spirit, ultimately learning also that I had to let go of my attachments to the soul body. When that occurred, I continued onwards and upwards, in frequency, until that which I am, merged with Source or the One, Itself.

That being said, I think I know just a little bit about consciousness and awareness and the workings thereof. I have said what I have experienced as truth from direct experience personally. I "know" because I have made it my business to know, for myself.

If you desire that I do not share what I know then so be it, I will withdraw.

By the way, thank you for your response!





Hey Sebastion,

No matter what happens next, and agreed! it takes the work of ages to come to Consciousness and accept the full return home to Source. Not many have made it, and the paths are as varied as there are Beings. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water, our uniqueness quite often divides us when it should unite us.

We are all States of Consciousness. I can't say for you where you reside, only YOU KNOW. I certainly wouldn't want to but a dam in your concept of infinity and eternity.

My two cents. :)

Christine


I hate to rain on your parade Jiminii, but if you knew anything about consciousness at all, you would know that it doesn't work that way. What you have stated is a pipe dream. There isn't going to be any sudden mass enlightenment that will not shock everyone. One has to earn their way for there is no one nor no-thing that is capable of handing it to you on a silver platter, sorry it just doesn't work that way. Lingering in la-la land and wishful thinking is not doing the inner work necessary to move forward.

I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen....




This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim

[Sidney]

I hate to rain on your parade Jiminii, but if you knew anything about consciousness at all, you would know that it doesn't work that way. What you have stated is a pipe dream. There isn't going to be any sudden mass enlightenment that will not shock everyone. One has to earn their way for there is no one nor no-thing that is capable of handing it to you on a silver platter, sorry it just doesn't work that way. Lingering in la-la land and wishful thinking is not doing the inner work necessary to move forward.

I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen....




This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim

this thread is for each person to put their own personal viewpoint whether it is workable or not has nothing to do with it
If you have never experienced this kind of power then how would you know.

people go to places where Christ was and there is so much theta there that they become healed from it. (theta is thought source where everything comes from)

So when these top beings switch to their new state, it will create a similar effect and each person on the planet will have some change in their awareness, and happiness.

that is all I am saying

jim

I really wish I could say I belong here, and be proud to say it. But my true feeling is that I don't fit in here. I have never felt I fit in anywhere on this planet, and have looked forward for a very long time to going "home", where ever home may be. Life on this planet is too painful. I know my thinking is not the same as many others. This is my truth.

[Sloppyjoe]

They won't land anytime soon. Not until we grow up. We can't even take care of ourselves so how are the average people supposed to face the reality of aliens?

I know that most of us on Avalon can handle it because we are into this kind of stuff and possibly because most of us are starseed. But the majority of the population lives in a very small world with their jobs, bills, politics, religion, tv shows, etc. They couldn't handle it, the economic and religious institutions would break down. Aliens are helping us, but they are doing it on an individual level to where the human being becomes a messenger and spreads the word to the rest of the population.

[jiminii]

A simple question: would you want to land in a war zone where "humankind" is the only species on planet Earth that makes war against itself??

USA is almost a perfect mirror of the system up there in the stars. It has the same bankers that plan their wars over thousands of years not 5 and 10 years. The last war was about 500 years ago left everyone caved in. The guards that were guarding the place left and lost interest in this place so the place has been running itself. What you see here is what is also in the stars only much more bigger in size and complexity.

So the entire experiment here is what is cleaning that place up there too, because we are all interconnected. When we clean stuff here it cleans the entire chain all the way back to the stars.

so say you run some incident and it goes back 700 billion years. this chain would be ALL OVER in the stars up there including everyone you contacted in the last 700 billion years.
so when you run the chain and clean if for yourself it also cleans it for those you had conflicts with too in the stars. So the amazing thing about being on a prison planet is this,

they can't stop us here because no one will be crazy enough to come down here and get themselves trapped. So they use whatever methods they can to control the scene here. But each time we clean another chain it cleans all the way to the first time it happened in the stars and we are talking trillions of years of repeated civilizations simply because the mind contains 25 pictures a second recordings all the way back to the beginning of THIS UNIVERSE WE ARE IN NOW which started 76 trillion years ago. Of course there is more 76 trillion year universes before this one but they ran on different laws and functions. and because of this automatic picture recording mind we keep repeating what we did before. IF we don't HAVE this mind we can start any new incarnation brand new in a new unit of time with no side effects coming from past incarnations.

That is why we are getting help from everywhere because they can now recognize that what we do here will not only fix this planet but all those galaxies up there too,.

You just don't KNOW how LUCKY you are to be here. When we finish cleaning this place it will be the TRAINING PLANET FOR THE REST OF THE GALAXY.

you don't need to believe this. you all choose your own path..

but my path is completed but my journey isn't. I am totally cleaned of this past and operate right out of SOURCE the static itself.

since it is a new creation It hasn't got a manual on how to operate this new creation.

there are about 200 million now from the future, as wave 4 is coming in now.

so we are well on our way to a fantastic new future.

jim

[Nat_Lee]

Nothing about us that is so important. Nothing.

But consiousness is, we incarnate consciousness when we are at our full development. This is important, consciousness.

The question then is, are we going to put the efforts to get there on one hand, and, on the other hand, have the impediments taken away, by us, to get there?

Are we going to open up to the energies that are sent to us, always, to help us climb the ladder? Yet, we are the one to climb, nobody will or should do it for us.

Otherwise, there is nothing important about us, nothing.

I have heard that something very important on earth is the diversity !
We have ''as they say'' all in just one place, a tremendous amount of species in the animal kingdom as well in the Human of all kind.

Just look at this new wasp in China:
http://www.muenster.org/hornissenschutz/vespa-mandarinia/vespa-mandarinia2.jpg

so I think that the light beings have something to preserve besides just us !

[ghostrider]

I remember Dr Carol Rosin an assistant to a man who you all would know , telling her very carefully , remember the false flag ET invasion is the LAST card ... the ptb always needs a boogyman to get the public to give up their rights to be safe from ET ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uiQEr74FsI at 1min 24 seconds ...

[RMorgan]

Hey Jim,

Why don't you use your hurricane control super-powers to wipe out the bad guys and then you could pick up all your other extra bodies living in those submarine bases, go back to the future and tell the ETs that everything is cool, so they could land and we could all hug each other, sing kumbaya and be happy ever after?

Just kidding... :)

Keep up the GREAT work!

Raf.

[skippy]

As far as I can see it, but please bear with me, I'm just a simple human being, the miracle is not in big things like creating hurricanes, moving planets, or whatever... The miracle is in the obviously simple, and at the same time infinitely difficult, like helping your fellowman in need.

[Christine]

Thank you for your post Sebastion,

I guess we should to make a cyber handshake, this is the first time we have had a conversation. Nice to meet you, cool. :)

I have read many of your posts and am pretty aware myself, the years of observation of myself in relationship to Self and others, determination and a sense of mission have kept me on the long and winding road.

Avalon is just the sort of place, where we are drawn to share, precisely because we had that unquiet voice inside that kept us prodding along to find answers, and NOW, finally is the time to share them.

Your contributions are valuable, your personal story validates and augments what so many others have found. I have, as Bobd called it, touched the face of God. I have had the blessings and grace of returning to Source. How do you describe these experiences? How do you bring back to this plane the inspiration and vibrations of these liberating experiences? How do we make heaven on Earth? My experiences are only as valuable as I can share them with others in a free way without fear of retribution or ridicule.

It is about KNOWING, and what you KNOW you do. For me though, knowing is a minute by minute, second by second fluidness. It opens and flowers. Am I able to maintain this state? What other Essences to I need to find to be whole? What still works in me that produces push back, unhealthy emotions, judgement? What still limits me? Each step brings me closer but I still have work to do, spaces to clear, people to reach out to, lots of rememberings are still coming back. Lots of dots still need to be connected or why would I choose to be here?

You ended by asking me if I wanted you to not share and said you would withdraw, honestly I found that a curious statement. I would say share! Open your heart and share! Your experiences sound fascinating.

WE are all working out this reality together, not in competition… share please. How do you see our future, what do you think is important that we understand?

Christine


In answer to you Christine, my entire life has been spent listening, observing people, all the while studying "consciousness". I started very young because I knew I didn't belong here and thus had many unanswerable questions which I had to have answers for, no matter the cost. Such was my passion to "know". After following many paths and much study, I knew no one on earth had acceptable answers to any of my questions.

I learned to astral travel and from that point, went beyond the astral, the causal and mental regions into the "higher realms" of pure spirit, ultimately learning also that I had to let go of my attachments to the soul body. When that occurred, I continued onwards and upwards, in frequency, until that which I am, merged with Source or the One, Itself.

That being said, I think I know just a little bit about consciousness and awareness and the workings thereof. I have said what I have experienced as truth from direct experience personally. I "know" because I have made it my business to know, for myself.

If you desire that I do not share what I know then so be it, I will withdraw.

By the way, thank you for your response!


Hey Sebastion,

No matter what happens next, and agreed! it takes the work of ages to come to Consciousness and accept the full return home to Source. Not many have made it, and the paths are as varied as there are Beings. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water, our uniqueness quite often divides us when it should unite us.

We are all States of Consciousness. I can't say for you where you reside, only YOU KNOW. I certainly wouldn't want to but a dam in your concept of infinity and eternity.

My two cents. :)

Christine


I hate to rain on your parade Jiminii, but if you knew anything about consciousness at all, you would know that it doesn't work that way. What you have stated is a pipe dream. There isn't going to be any sudden mass enlightenment that will not shock everyone. One has to earn their way for there is no one nor no-thing that is capable of handing it to you on a silver platter, sorry it just doesn't work that way. Lingering in la-la land and wishful thinking is not doing the inner work necessary to move forward.

I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen....


This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim

[Nat_Lee]

Hey Jim,

Why don't you use your hurricane control super-powers to wipe out the bad guys and then you could pick up all your other extra bodies living in those submarine bases, go back to the future and tell the ETs that everything is cool, so they could land and we could all hug each other, sing kumbaya and be happy ever after?

Just kidding... :)

Keep up the GREAT work!

Raf.

Hi RMorgan !

I don't whant to answer for Jim and I know you are making a joke here ;)

Reading you made me think about a video that I have heard about the bad an good guys.
It explain how there is no bad and good in the Universe and talks about the humans vs reptilians.
This is Teal Scott point of view but I like it so I thinks this thread is a good place to share:

Title: Teal Scott on Multi-Dimensional Reality & E.T.s on Earth
ohUXbF_NCxA

Have a nice day all Avaloniens !

[Flash]

I hate to rain on your parade Jiminii, but if you knew anything about consciousness at all, you would know that it doesn't work that way. What you have stated is a pipe dream. There isn't going to be any sudden mass enlightenment that will not shock everyone. One has to earn their way for there is no one nor no-thing that is capable of handing it to you on a silver platter, sorry it just doesn't work that way. Lingering in la-la land and wishful thinking is not doing the inner work necessary to move forward.

I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen....




This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim

this thread is for each person to put their own personal viewpoint whether it is workable or not has nothing to do with it
If you have never experienced this kind of power then how would you know.

people go to places where Christ was and there is so much theta there that they become healed from it. (theta is thought source where everything comes from)

So when these top beings switch to their new state, it will create a similar effect and each person on the planet will have some change in their awareness, and happiness.

that is all I am saying

jim

I really wish I could say I belong here, and be proud to say it. But my true feeling is that I don't fit in here. I have never felt I fit in anywhere on this planet, and have looked forward for a very long time to going "home", where ever home may be. Life on this planet is too painful. I know my thinking is not the same as many others. This is my truth.

Sidney, you certainly have a home address that makes you part of here. ;) I think lots of us are not from here originally. Yet, we have decided to be here for now because we either were thrown here or have work to do here. We may as well make it as nice as we can.

In other words, you are not the only one with those feelings. I read somewhere (don't remember where) that about 60% of the human here were in fact originally from other planets/spaces, some of them being the galaxie's rejects thrown in jail, others being the reptiles and alike opposition, being discarded, and finally some coming willfully to help raise the whole thing. And then, you would have the 40% human, originally form here. Of course, I am talking about the souls origins.

But finally, we are all from the same fundamental origin and going to the same fundamental place, each one within his chosen path.

[Flash]

I remember Dr Carol Rosin an assistant to a man who you all would know , telling her very carefully , remember the false flag ET invasion is the LAST card ... the ptb always needs a boogyman to get the public to give up their rights to be safe from ET ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uiQEr74FsI at 1min 24 seconds ...

i vaguely remember Simon Parkes saying in one of his video (or interviews?) that the Mantid had told him that the Humans were preparing a fake invasion targeting somewhere around November 2013, that it would be announced as alien invasion, and that after that they, the humans, would try to tag us by RFID chipping us, saying it is a way to distinguish us from aliens.

You know, there is a universal law that says that when you take people by force (which PTB humans and Dracos have done), it the long run, whatever you do is doomed. This is why even Dracos (and the devil) will try to lur(manipulate) you and convince you, so that you accept willingly whatever they want, then their plans works fully because you said yes to it. It goes around the universal laws, through deception though. So, they will always try to get you to accept willingly before ever forcing anything.

Simon was saying (to me, not in interviews) that it is the reason for which Mantids won't force anybody, that when they take somebody, they do have their agreement, otherwise the objective for taking them can be jeopardized, in the long run. It is also the reason they do not agree with what is being done to human, curtailing their freedom.

Now, in my book, whatever has been agreed based on deceit, from PTB, Militaries or Dracos, or any other, is nil and worthless. Any agreement based on deceit can be revoked anytime, even if you said yes to start with. I would not have a kid do things based on deceit, because in the long run it harms everybody. Period. And in space and in the universe, we are still children developing and should be respectfully considered as such, without deceit and manipulation but with love.

[Etherios]

So many dates / events / energies gathering ... i dont want to "believe" focus on them anymore ... we all feel something is brewing but with the long long years of enslavement only few can see the truth.

I prefer to leave it as it comes / when it comes. We came here for a reason, we are all the same and one with the source but we want/need to experience reality/life differently so we learn and grow.

Lets do that and stop trying to escape this life or "upgrade" ourselves in order to become something else. I think many have forgotten what it means to enjoy life and are either in the positive energy boat or the negative energy boat ... for me both are losing their current life times trying to escape.

If people were focusing on being happy and enjoying life we would had never let these monsters tell us what is life and how we should live ...

Personally i am undecided ... still cant figure what to do or how. But i decided to stop waiting for something to happen.

[thunder24]

Didn't Werner von Braun say they would try and tell us it was an aleen invasion?



I remember Dr Carol Rosin an assistant to a man who you all would know , telling her very carefully , remember the false flag ET invasion is the LAST card ... the ptb always needs a boogyman to get the public to give up their rights to be safe from ET ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uiQEr74FsI at 1min 24 seconds ...

i vaguely remember Simon Parkes saying in one of his video (or interviews?) that the Mantid had told him that the Humans were preparing a fake invasion targeting somewhere around November 2013, that it would be announced as alien invasion, and that after that they, the humans, would try to tag us by RFID chipping us, saying it is a way to distinguish us from aliens.

You know, there is a universal law that says that when you take people by force (which PTB humans and Dracos have done), it the long run, whatever you do is doomed. This is why even Dracos (and the devil) will try to lur(manipulate) you and convince you, so that you accept willingly whatever they want, then their plans works fully because you said yes to it. It goes around the universal laws, through deception though. So, they will always try to get you to accept willingly before ever forcing anything.

Simon was saying (to me, not in interviews) that it is the reason for which Mantids won't force anybody, that when they take somebody, they do have their agreement, otherwise the objective for taking them can be jeopardized, in the long run. It is also the reason they do not agree with what is being done to human, curtailing their freedom.

Now, in my book, whatever has been agreed based on deceit, from PTB, Militaries or Dracos, or any other, is nil and worthless. Any agreement based on deceit can be revoked anytime, even if you said yes to start with. I would not have a kid do things based on deceit, because in the long run it harms everybody. Period. And in space and in the universe, we are still children developing and should be respectfully considered as such, without deceit and manipulation but with love.

[andrewgreen]

In response to Eagle Spirit.

Couldn't agree more, there will be no flying saucers, ;the landing' will be an awakening of our awareness.

[Kalamos]

maybe they landeddd are everywhere but are invisible.

[thunder24]

didn't Drunvalo Melchizedek in flower of life book say our eyes could only see half of 1% of all physical reality?


maybe they landeddd are everywhere but are invisible.

[Kalamos]

didn't Drunvalo Melchizedek in flower of life book say our eyes could only see half of 1% of all physical reality?


maybe they landeddd are everywhere but are invisible.

That would be more than we know about reality, in some circles ....sounds way to high ;)

[thunder24]

Expand your circle? :p


didn't Drunvalo Melchizedek in flower of life book say our eyes could only see half of 1% of all physical reality?


maybe they landeddd are everywhere but are invisible.

That would be more than we know about reality, in some circles ....sounds way to high ;)

[Wind]

The interdimensionals are already here and they always have been, but the public revelation will happen when humanity is ready for it. At the moment we are not ready.

DNco1gqaSDw

[eaglespirit]

...it's over, and we're going over the top as I type...to higher places yet to be felt by all
...and the yetting is getting soooooooo palatable that most on Mother Earth will be licking their tongues with joyous aftertaste and not know what became of them and simply change course to the 'higher' red road without giving it a second thought, that's like naturally...each to the degree they selflessly agree from within their innermost heart of a higher beating!!!

[Kalamos]

I'm seeing it, changes in people I've known for years, all my life, family, no matter their beliefs ...

A thief in the night ... Just enjoy it, those who see feel and hear.

It happens, will happen, and gets better if you don't fear anymore.

However, Sigh... NEVER MIND ... seek seekers, and find inside...

[mojo]

The interdimensionals are already here and they always have been, but the public revelation will happen when humanity is ready for it. At the moment we are not ready.

true enough Wind, although some are ready...

[gittarpikk]

IMHO Bashar...in a post or two before this one, simply nailed it..

Insane asylum... perfect descript.

Seems nothing is right or wrong... simply whatever drama it can create

[Vitalux]

This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.


Interesting.

I tend to live moment to moment, so when I feel like taking a break from enjoying the moment, I will ponder a bit about something that does not exist, the future.

[jiminii]

Hey Jim,

Why don't you use your hurricane control super-powers to wipe out the bad guys and then you could pick up all your other extra bodies living in those submarine bases, go back to the future and tell the ETs that everything is cool, so they could land and we could all hug each other, sing kumbaya and be happy ever after?

Just kidding... :)

Keep up the GREAT work!

Raf.

well you see it is like this .... we made this universe of agreement

we agreed to all the laws

in the beginning we hurt each other by accident not knowing we could do that.

so we added things to the creation to try to prevent beings hurting other beings

but the more you do this the more gets added to try to stop the pain but only ADDS more pain

we put in an ethics system and then a system where if we give pain we get pain back

until we got it so rigged that any mistake we make is painful.

like who REALLY NEEDS TO EXPERIENCE A TOOTHACHE????

why do we need that????

pain on pain.

so now that we have figured out a way to undo all these agreed upon rules and conditions we added to the universe we can eventually recreate this universe

the next one not having THE CREATION called PAIN.

WHO NEEDS THAT?

if we KNEW how to undo it in the FIRST PLACE we could have handled the pain the first time.

when we first made the mistake of accidentally hurting someone not knowing we can hurt them, we could have vanished it then and each taking responsibility for their own pain realizing that it IS THERE OWN PAIN they are experiencing.

if you remove that consideration from the equation than you can't experience pain.

it is like this.

get out of you body and go into the center of the SUN. WOW HOT AS HELL

now get out of your body and go into the center of the SUN and decide you can't feel the heat and it can't create effects on you .

you could sit comfortably in the center of the sun and not be burnt or even feel the heat.

you accidentally hurt someone and then you find what consideration that person had that let him believe he can be hurt can be erased

this way we can have a new universe where we can play but not be hurt.

it would be like playing with game machines but we are IN the experience and we do not get hurt or damaged because of our mistakes.

this makes it a better game.

WHY DO WE NEED A GAME LIKE THIS where if we make mistakes it is VERY PAINFUL.

then no one wants to play the game anymore.

so in order to fix this

we have to remove all the agreements we had to the creations of PAIN ... then we don't experience pain anymore

we then can accidentally destroy someones newly created planet and also take it back in time to where we made the accident and undo that creation that made the accident and the planet is back to normal.

in other words we have the TOOLS to repair ANYTHING at the moment and NO ONE GETS HURT.

so that is why we are playing this game here is to get everyone's awareness up and removing the pain of it so they can realize that we can work together to make it all better.

Then the new universe we create is much more workable and doesn't operate on pain and punishment as a solution

that is what we are doing.

jim

[Czarek]

.... a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone,

Me too Jim, I've been working very hard over the past 4 weeks...I'm exhausted.

[JohnEAngel]

our current universe is about learning. everything that occurs in our life is a teaching. how we respond to each moment dictates our progression or stagnation. if we progress we can move to an existence (universe) of abundant harmony and unity. if we allow the ego to rule over the divine spark, it's back to school.

[Shamz]

I am sorry but Why we want some aliens---some outsiders in ships to land here....and awaken us ? enlighten us ? take us to next dimension ? why we depend on them to free this world from suffering and control and what not...

Everything we want and what we want to be... is already inside us... only if everyone realizes that ... then we don't need external stimuli to awaken us -- we just need to lift the veil ourselves...

the world will go on like this... ever and ever - there will always be kings and peasants ... murderers and savers -- lovers and haters ... saints and Sinners ...

everything is inside us... just realize that...

Much love to you all..

[donk]

I am sorry but Why we want some aliens---some outsiders in ships to land here....and awaken us ? enlighten us ? take us to next dimension ? why we depend on them to free this world from suffering and control and what not...

Everything we want and what we want to be... is already inside us... only if everyone realizes that ... then we don't need external stimuli to awaken us -- we just need to lift the veil ourselves...

the world will go on like this... ever and ever - there will always be kings and peasants ... murderers and savers -- lovers and haters ... saints and Sinners ...

everything is inside us... just realize that...

Much love to you all..

Isn't that the solipsism? I believe there is real stuff, external to us, that actually exists...and has free will and consciousness--just like I do.

Not EVERYTHING it inside of me. You are outside of me. Maybe I have an enemy, outside of me, taking my energy against my will.

In every imaginable perspective I am capable of recognizing and analyzing, within me, I have absolutely NO desire to take another's will, impose my will on anyone else (external from me), and I desire to treated be the same--but recognize...it seems to happen anyway, people seem to impose their will on others and not respect "free will" as such--even though I wish to create that reality for myself where it is not the case.

Their is an infinite reality within each of us, I get that...but there IS an "each of us", but remember that we share a reality with countless other conscious free will exercisers here all creating it.

[Arejay]

I would want to land, in hopes that I could convince the stupid humans to make love not war. Not very original of me but its just how I feel. And I'm sure there are alien races who agree with me.

[Eram]

Hey Sebastion,

No matter what happens next, and agreed! it takes the work of ages to come to Consciousness and accept the full return home to Source. Not many have made it, and the paths are as varied as there are Beings. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water, our uniqueness quite often divides us when it should unite us.

We are all States of Consciousness. I can't say for you where you reside, only YOU KNOW. I certainly wouldn't want to but a dam in your concept of infinity and eternity.

My two cents. :)

Christine


I hate to rain on your parade Jiminii, but if you knew anything about consciousness at all, you would know that it doesn't work that way. What you have stated is a pipe dream. There isn't going to be any sudden mass enlightenment that will not shock everyone. One has to earn their way for there is no one nor no-thing that is capable of handing it to you on a silver platter, sorry it just doesn't work that way. Lingering in la-la land and wishful thinking is not doing the inner work necessary to move forward.

I hope you don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen....




This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim

Hi Christine,

You know I have great respect for you, but I believe it is time that we take the bull by the horns and talk about the outrageous claims that jiminii is allowed to make on this forum.
Every time that someone tries to counter his claims, it is someone from the admin team that comes to his rescue.

I've seen you make several posts now when someone confronted jiminii and basically what you say is that there are different kinds of truth, or that we all hold a little peace of the puzzle and that it is impossible for another to know whether someone is right or wrong in his claims about reality.

Reality is not many fold or different for each individual. It can be perceived in different ways in all sorts of perceptions, but the structure of the reality that we live in is made in one way.

The claims that jiminii makes and the approval and support of the admin team is dangerous for people who are at the beginnings of finding out what reality is and can lead them astray for a long time if they don't have the wits to see trough them.

Allowing people to speak their mind and what they believe it true is a good thing, but the support that jiminii gets on this forum is not helping anyone.

[gigha]

Eram lookout :)
You just don't get "him" er jim

[blufire]

Jim, For me I can no longer believe or even consider anything you post to be valid or truthful.

I have tried for weeks now to give you grace and to try to listen more carefully to what you are saying . . . not so much for your sake but for the very deep respect I have for several members who avidly follow your threads and are your supporters.

But there is a point, if we are to find solid united ground to work from, then we must hold each other accountable.

You completely and totally misrepresented who I am and what my thread is about in this thread of yours: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63946-Space-is-clean-all-over-Reptilians-down

Here are a few pertinent excerpts from that thread.


MENTAL MASS comes from a problem a person has and when that problem is gone the Mass is gone too.
So when I went to Blufire's thread some kind of entities were trying to take control of my mind and I kicked them out.


Blufire revealed what was the source of her confusion so those attached to her become a dead agent


I can't see them to know where they are. but there were many attached to blufire a whole nest of them


so when I spotted what the reptilians were doing to people like blufire, that goes in the static to the main spirit itself that created the viewpoint I AM.


oh sorry I misunderstood your post blufire
I won't post anything about you anymore.
please continue with your story
jim


this is major win ,.. so what is next????

You made very distinct comments about what happened when you went to my thread and all these psychic maneuverings you made to vanquish this nest of evil reptilians that were supposedly attached to me.

When I called you out you then very flippantly apologized and said you misunderstood my opening post on that thread.

That is a very pointedly and huge and damaging misunderstanding Jim. If you can make such a massive ‘mistake’ by reading something that is black and white and right before you . . . how in the hell can I believe your statements about anything else you say about time travel, clearing, the future. the past all the other deeply complex topics you claim to be so informed of?

I won’t draw any further conclusions on why you did this. I trust those who care to and savvy enough can read between the lines.


And with staying on topic of this thread concerning when aliens will land on earth and when we may join them among the stars . . . . I will respond on this thread. I can’t respond until later this afternoon. This topic is important and I want unhurried time to post.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63899-The-New-World-and-Civilization--the-messages-from-my-Contact-as-a-child-/page3

Warning!!! This thread is full of a whole nest of evil reptilians that will try to take over your mind if you enter the thread. Next I will be accused of being the Queen Lizard Lady.

[Christine]

Hello Eram, and all,

I am glad you make this statement.. why not? This is what we should do, speak our truth plainly and openly.

First jiminii is an Avalon member, we can agree or disagree with his point of view. For some it adds value, for other it confuses and for others it infuriates or frustrates. I have been in all the above mentioned categories. However I have never made an attack on the man. And truthfully, coming from me (not the mod or admin team), I value Jim.

And I value you and every other member of Avalon who has found a home and purpose here. Who has the courage to take off veils and reveal themselves. It takes courage and the willingness to be a fool.

Actually (present time), reality is different for every single individual.. as the only reality we KNOW is our OWN perceptual data. Now I know what you mean when you say that REALITY IS… yes but who of us is there yet? I see you quote Rumi as I often have… so in the FIELD we meet. Here on Earth we are still dual.

My endeavor is to SEE through all manifestations into the intent and heart of compassion. This doesn't mean I don't see out points in all of us, they are there. My CHOICE is to find uniqueness and value in ALL people and things, even the most controversial.

You, blufire, and whoever has a solid intent to confront, remove veils, look in the mirror, find TRUTH will always have the support of Avalon. If it appears that Jim gets preferential treatment I can understand. He doesn't pull stops..and yet here we are having this valuable conversation that may not have taken place with out his disrupting our view.

If I actually thought Jim was hurting anyone I would jump up and down and intervene. On one or two occasions I have done so, but in private. And if you have followed closely he gets reprimanded, very often in public, by Bill. I haven't ever observed him, in public or in private, to go EGO on us and get hissy. He may be a hand full but I (again personally) have found a needed energetic boost that is helping me further my understanding.

What I learn and share isn't exclusive to Jim.... Jake! gripreaper! Ulli! S-L! Wade Frazier! Illie! Paul! Kristin! karelia! blufire! YOU!

If what Jim says doesn't resonate, fine. What does he do that bothers you personally? What are your views of our shared reality? Instead of saying Jim is making wild claims you could choose to think them through and respond intelligently with your point of view.

The fact that Jim gets support from the mod team does not mean the team as whole agrees with what he says. I am sure if you asked us individually we would all have different opinions.

Our energy is best spent this way.. opening, being honest, being forthright and above all finding the ONE Compassionate FIELD of the heart.

Don't look at appearances... ALL appearances are just that. Illusion.

With love, compassion and a peaceful heart,
Christine


Hi Christine,

You know I have great respect for you, but I believe it is time that we take the bull by the horns and talk about the outrageous claims that jiminii is allowed to make on this forum.
Every time that someone tries to counter his claims, it is someone from the admin team that comes to his rescue.

I've seen you make several posts now when someone confronted jiminii and basically what you say is that there are different kinds of truth, or that we all hold a little peace of the puzzle and that it is impossible for another to know whether someone is right or wrong in his claims about reality.

Reality is not many fold or different for each individual. It can be perceived in different ways in all sorts of perceptions, but the structure of the reality that we live in is made in one way.

The claims that jiminii makes and the approval and support of the admin team is dangerous for people who are at the beginnings of finding out what reality is and can lead them astray for a long time if they don't have the wits to see trough them.

Allowing people to speak their mind and what they believe it true is a good thing, but the support that jiminii gets on this forum is not helping anyone.

[Flash]

I like Jim precisely because, unnkowingly to him it seems at times, he constantly stirs the pot. I do not agree with him all the time, but for sure he stirs my pot. I cannot sit on my butt and do/think nothing. I cannot gaze at TV and read him at the same time. He is controversial and this is what makes him worthwile. I constantly have to recenter while reading him. A real good exercise. Clarity comes later or with it for me.

Eram, you are right, he may lead us far away from the ONE truth. Up to us to bring it back on the ONE truth track if we may of if we can or if we wish or feel it is our duty.

-------------------

Blufire, you stir my pot too, in a very different way, but you do.

[Rich]

I am sorry but Why we want some aliens---some outsiders in ships to land here....and awaken us ? enlighten us ? take us to next dimension ? why we depend on them to free this world from suffering and control and what not...

Everything we want and what we want to be... is already inside us... only if everyone realizes that ... then we don't need external stimuli to awaken us -- we just need to lift the veil ourselves...

the world will go on like this... ever and ever - there will always be kings and peasants ... murderers and savers -- lovers and haters ... saints and Sinners ...

everything is inside us... just realize that...


so are they, i would simply consider it a reflection of our raised consciousness,
they can speed up our development because what we call enlightenment is their normal state imo.

[skippy]

The claims that jiminii makes and the approval and support of the admin team is dangerous for people who are at the beginnings of finding out what reality is and can lead them astray for a long time if they don't have the wits to see trough them.

Allowing people to speak their mind and what they believe it true is a good thing, but the support that jiminii gets on this forum is not helping anyone.

Eram,

I see what you are saying, but I invite you to consider things from a scientific angle. As the title of this forum suggests, we are here at a meeting point of spirituality and science. Now, the advantage of the scientific approach to spirituality is that any spiritual claim should be verifiable by all of us, like the universal laws of science impose. Either spiritual claims are true, either they are false. There is no way in between, and this is exactly the beauty of science. Now, if Jimini claims that he moved the moon, then it is very easy for you and me to verify his claim by looking at the position of the moon. Another example. When Jimini claims that he invoked an earthquake of 7.7 in a specific area, then we can go check on-site to see whether Jimini spoke thruth. Nothing dramatic, but basic stuff from a scientific point of view.

[ulli]

Nobody is perfect, and I'm sure everyone has some thoughtforms attached to them, to do with their past sufferings and memories. Jim believes he came here (to earth) as a "clear", without all those subconscious memories other mortals carry...

I'm sure if I were to stick my neck out the way Blufire has done
Jim would see all my "entities", too.
And being who he is, he would probably not hold back about his observations.
Would I then take offense?
Damn right, I would.
It amounts to telling someone into their face they are full of sh!t.

Would I then respond the way Blufire did...? Probably not.
Not my style. I'd probably withdraw, or even leave for good.
I'm not saying that this is the only valid response, just stating what I would normally do, without judging Blufire.
Most people choose either a fight or flight response, and in my case it's more often flight, because I always thought it preserves the peace.
Not always true, that depends if the fight can lead to resolution of the conflict and all sides can then move on,
having grown and learnt their lessons.

I'm now here on Avalon, practicing a third option, which is to neither run away, nor to fight and become defensive, but for the good of all, myself included, learning to stand my ground and speak my truth, in the hope that THIRD OPTION will one day become the norm.

[RMorgan]

Hi Christine,

You know I have great respect for you, but I believe it is time that we take the bull by the horns and talk about the outrageous claims that jiminii is allowed to make on this forum.
Every time that someone tries to counter his claims, it is someone from the admin team that comes to his rescue.

I've seen you make several posts now when someone confronted jiminii and basically what you say is that there are different kinds of truth, or that we all hold a little peace of the puzzle and that it is impossible for another to know whether someone is right or wrong in his claims about reality.

Reality is not many fold or different for each individual. It can be perceived in different ways in all sorts of perceptions, but the structure of the reality that we live in is made in one way.

The claims that jiminii makes and the approval and support of the admin team is dangerous for people who are at the beginnings of finding out what reality is and can lead them astray for a long time if they don't have the wits to see trough them.

Allowing people to speak their mind and what they believe it true is a good thing, but the support that jiminii gets on this forum is not helping anyone.

Brother,

I couldn't agree more. You're definitely not alone in this one.

With all due respect, and I'm absolutely sure that Bill, Christine and the mod team are aware that I respect and care for them, a lot of people are starting to make serious questions about what may be behind this seemingly unconditional condescending support of Jim and his claims.

During all my time as an Avalon member, I've seen a lot of people being reprehended for making much less outrageous claims, or for giving the impression of being following a much less obvious agenda.

How those claims could end up hurting people, not physically, but psychologically and spiritually? Well, do I really need to answer that? I don't think so...

Jim, I have nothing against you, man. I just can't believe a single word that you say and most of it sounds like utter nonsense to me. It's obvious to me that the character you're trying to build here is simply contradictory and unconvincing.

For those who buy all of this, hook, line and sinker, I just advise to be careful. Beliefs aren't harmless; They change you.

For Bill and the moderation team: You should come clean about what's motivating you to provide this almost exclusive support of Jim and his claims. People are becoming suspicious.

Call me paranoid if you will, but I definitively feel there's something going on behind the curtains here. This behavior of yours seems to be disproportional and abnormal to me.

Again, please, don't get me wrong. You know how much I respect you.

Cheers,

Raf.

[thunder24]

When Jimini claims that he invoked an earthquake of 7.7 in a specific area, then we can go check on-site to see whether Jimini spoke thruth. IMO, nothing to do dramatic about. Very basic stuff from a scientific point of view.


Can you link us to the site? And what on that site would let us know, that Jim or anyone else caused that quake... Cause it happened and therefore he spoke truth, or the site will say with an arrow pointing.... "jim's quake here"? :p:confused:

peace

[Eram]

I see that several people have responded to my little rant and since I'm a little pressed for time today, I will not address everything that I feel deserves an answer, maybe tomorrow when I have more time.

For now I just want to emphasize that it is important to be able to speak up, with force if necessary when wild claims or stories are posted on the forum.
At any given time, the amount of visitors in relation to members on the forum is about 5 to 1. Many of them (I presume) in the early stages of waking up to the fact that there is more to life then we are being spoon fed by our governments and Mass Media. And what do they find when they read on this forum? One wild claim after another and almost no one who speaks out about this.
It is exactly the ongoing efforts of people like RMorgan and Bill Ryan who jump in in many threads when there is yet another fantasy story posted and explain why this is not correct that has drawn me back from someone who couldn't tell the difference between right or wrong and didn't know what to believe.

That together with getting access to the right books and information, information that I can check for myself to be true, have changed me to a person who is much more centred and starts to think (little by little) according to reality.

When people start to search for answers, are they being served if we keep our mouths shut when we see blatant untruths being plastered on the forum and only look for that which has value in someone's post?

[Vitalux]

:ranger:

We all are just squirrels in an Avalon forest, and with this many squirrels you are bound to get a variety of nuts

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7761001728/h3A6E203F/

[ulli]

The few people who I have seen reprehended usually have nothing to offer, other than non-scientific fear propaganda.
Meanwhile Jim's posts have helped me several times already to come to major insights which put me back on track. He doesn't know about this, other than from the 'thank you'...
But I lost my best friend recently, he died of a sudden heart attack, collapsed on his way home from work...
and for several weeks I was overwhelmed with grief.
And then Jim appeared, and at first I couldn't even be bothered to read his posts,
since I was still harboring prejudices against Scientology...possibly quite unfairly...
but more and more I found ideas there that gave my present world view a kick ...
Opening up my mind further. One either allows this to happen, or one doesn't.
I'm with Flash...he does stir the pot...
but to compare him to the ordinary folk who offer the forum nothing other than meteor impact news
is like ruling out the idea that a pile of rhinestones could have a diamond hidden inside.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Project Avalon

Chronicles of the human awakening, where science and spirituality meet, and where squirrels find they're nuts.

Now that's a keeper.

Thanks Vitalux

[donk]

If what Jim says doesn't resonate, fine. What does he do that bothers you personally? What are your views of our shared reality? Instead of saying Jim is making wild claims you could choose to think them through and respond intelligently with your point of view.



Christine I love and respect you more than just about anyone around here, but I am calling you out on this one. Blufire responded intelligently, clearly and directly to everything bothering her, and I easily heard her explaining views on our shared reality.

[Bill Ryan]

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I would suggest this is essential reading for anyone who thinks that Jim's claims cannot possibly be real.

The PK Man: A True Story of Mind Over Matter (http://www.amazon.com/The-PK-Man-Story-Matter/dp/1571741836)

Quoted from Amazon:



Jeffrey Mishlove's The PK Man, the true and strange story of Ted Owens, whose claims of powerful psychokinetic abilities given to him by "Space Intelligences" were too bizarre and extreme for many to believe. When these claims were ignored or challenged, he purportedly used his powers to produce earthquakes, civil unrest, UFO sightings, strange weather events, and other powerful phenomena. Owens even threatened to down aircraft to garner attention.

Was there any truth to Owens' abilities, or was he a fraud with a knack for picking the times and places of catastrophes? Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, a respected parapsychologist and host of the popular public television program Thinking Allowed, analyzes correspondence, interviews, newspaper reports, and remarkable life of "the world's greatest psychic," as Owens claimed to be. Whether Owens was a prodigious liar and dangerous con-man, or a true but unbalanced master who used his incredible powers primarily for petty acts of revenge, many questions remain, and the implications for the rest of us are staggering.

http://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1347626190l/982069.jpgMy own comment:

Ted Owens, who this book is about (and who is no longer with us), was an emotionally troubled psychic who by all accounts had staggering, almost unbelievable abilities that were of an almost godlike nature.

But he was not at all stable, and -- like quite a few people with astonishing gifts: ask any Indigo prodigy, or, for that mater, Inelia Benz! -- had huge trouble integrating into a 'normal' personality what he discovered he could do. He never succeeded.

The book is not only the story of his life and his abilities, but the story of his own battles with himself (and the rest of the world). He lost those battles.

* I mentioned Inelia above. Some of you may have watched my 2011 interview with her, and there is a thread about her here (A most interesting one -- do read from the start.)

The Inelia thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread)

The video is here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZqzZUV19w

The more astonishing unbelievable stories of things Inelia had done or experienced we decided to edit OUT of the interview because the accounts of spectacular psychic abilities (many of them just as unbelievable as anything Jim might report from his own experiences) was not the point of her message. Inelia has (maybe wisely) never publicly told some of her personal stories. Material that is literally extremely hard for most people to believe does tend to get in the way.

Another book well worth reading from cover to cover is Michael Tablot's Masterwork, The Holographic Universe.

Here it is as a PDF. Enjoy. :)

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_Michael_Talbot.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_cover_sm.jpg

The relevance here is that after reading The Holographic Universe, you may never again doubt that these kinds of phenomena are possible.

There are many other such books. Lyall Watson's Gifts of Unknown Things (http://www.amazon.com/Gifts-Unknown-Things-Initiation-Indonesias/dp/0892813539) (1976) reports an encounter with a young girl on an Indonesian Island who had abilities that make those of Jim, Inelia, and even Ted Owens seem insigificant in comparison.

She could literally manipulate reality around her -- for instance, creating trees (solid, real ones!) -- where there were none before. Lyall Watson witnessed all of this personally, and a good portion of the book is about what he experienced and saw with his own eyes. This young girl was revered and protected by the islanders as a goddess-shaman of great importance.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JmOvADztL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

At the very beginning of another of Lyall Watson's books -- either Supernature (http://www.amazon.com/Supernature-Lyall-Watson/dp/0340173688) or Lifetide (http://www.amazon.com/Lifetide-Lyall-Watson/dp/0340416688) -- he reports the story of a young Italian girl who had the ability to TURN TENNIS BALLS INSIDE OUT. (Now read that again!)

And in Paul Dong's book China's Super Psychics (http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Paul%20Dong%20-%20China's%20Super%20Psychics.pdf), he reports case after case after case of young Chinese children with abilities so extraordinary that they have all been adopted into special training by the Chinese military.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514NKM904QL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

There is MUCH MUCH MUCH more in the literature about all this. These people exist. My request to all critics and skeptics reading this:

Read these books (or at least, read the reviews, summaries and comments!) and realize that these things are all very real, if exceptional.

We do not want to become an inquisition here. If someone comes to us reporting abilities and experiences (and MANY Avalon members have had these experiences, not just Jim -- I know this for a fact, and I've experienced some rather extraordinary things myself) -- we should, as Motivational Speaker and Writer Dr Stephen Covey says (as his "Habit 5" of The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People)):

Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood.

The subject of exceptional people possessing exceptional psychic gifts might appropriately deserve a separate thread of its own. Not a bad idea! This subject BELONGS here on Avalon.




Edit to add: I've started that thread here, with a slightly expanded version of this post:

Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64028-Exceptional-psychic-abilities-in-exceptional-people)

[jiminii]

Jim, For me I can no longer believe or even consider anything you post to be valid or truthful.

I have tried for weeks now to give you grace and to try to listen more carefully to what you are saying . . . not so much for your sake but for the very deep respect I have for several members who avidly follow your threads and are your supporters.

But there is a point, if we are to find solid united ground to work from, then we must hold each other accountable.

You completely and totally misrepresented who I am and what my thread is about in this thread of yours: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63946-Space-is-clean-all-over-Reptilians-down

Here are a few pertinent excerpts from that thread.


MENTAL MASS comes from a problem a person has and when that problem is gone the Mass is gone too.
So when I went to Blufire's thread some kind of entities were trying to take control of my mind and I kicked them out.


Blufire revealed what was the source of her confusion so those attached to her become a dead agent


I can't see them to know where they are. but there were many attached to blufire a whole nest of them


so when I spotted what the reptilians were doing to people like blufire, that goes in the static to the main spirit itself that created the viewpoint I AM.


oh sorry I misunderstood your post blufire
I won't post anything about you anymore.
please continue with your story
jim


this is major win ,.. so what is next????

You made very distinct comments about what happened when you went to my thread and all these psychic maneuverings you made to vanquish this nest of evil reptilians that were supposedly attached to me.

When I called you out you then very flippantly apologized and said you misunderstood my opening post on that thread.

That is a very pointedly and huge and damaging misunderstanding Jim. If you can make such a massive ‘mistake’ by reading something that is black and white and right before you . . . how in the hell can I believe your statements about anything else you say about time travel, clearing, the future. the past all the other deeply complex topics you claim to be so informed of?

I won’t draw any further conclusions on why you did this. I trust those who care to and savvy enough can read between the lines.


And with staying on topic of this thread concerning when aliens will land on earth and when we may join them among the stars . . . . I will respond on this thread. I can’t respond until later this afternoon. This topic is important and I want unhurried time to post.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63899-The-New-World-and-Civilization--the-messages-from-my-Contact-as-a-child-/page3

Warning!!! This thread is full of a whole nest of evil reptilians that will try to take over your mind if you enter the thread. Next I will be accused of being the Queen Lizard Lady.

I said I understand your reality.

I didn't say I agree with it

nor do you have to agree to mine.

jim

[skippy]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/90/RWS_Tarot_00_Fool.jpg/220px-RWS_Tarot_00_Fool.jpg

Look at the tarot card in the picture of Jimini. It's the Fool of the Tarot. The Fool is the symbol of infinite potential. On the card, you see someone apparently just about to step into the abyss. This would be disastrous for anyone else, but not for the Fool. For the Fool, all magnificent journeys begin with a leap into the unknown. BTW, don’t be fooled by his name – The Fool is an enlightened being, understanding the inner working of the entire cosmos. The Fool moves forward in absolute trust, knowing that everything will work out for his highest good. The Fool represents an openness of 360° in all possible directions. The number is 0, no ending, zero programmation, no-mind. Absolute beingness in the present. Riding.., being, the wave. No fear, No doubt. Ready to affront and discover the secrets of the infinite universe. Expect(ing) everything and anything..

The next card in the major Arcana of the Tarot is significant while it establishes a counterbalance required to affront the mysteries of the universe. The "Bateleur" represents the guy who is trying to fool you on the market place. The universe is full of trickery and the card number 1 is an invitation to be on your guards, to trust your own judgement, and to see through. Spirituality and Science. In the Tarot de Marseille, the original French version of the Tarot, the following definition is given of the Bateleur: "Someone who does conjuring tricks. Very skilful, and sharp-witted person. Charlatan. Joker."

Dare to be (wise), but don't be fooled. Head in the sky, feet on the ground. This is my interpretation of the great contribution that Jimini is bringing to this forum.

http://www.smfernand.com/uploads/1/0/2/4/10248912/2757958.jpg?166

[jiminii]

When Jimini claims that he invoked an earthquake of 7.7 in a specific area, then we can go check on-site to see whether Jimini spoke thruth. IMO, nothing to do dramatic about. Very basic stuff from a scientific point of view.


Can you link us to the site? And what on that site would let us know, that Jim or anyone else caused that quake... Cause it happened and therefore he spoke truth, or the site will say with an arrow pointing.... "jim's quake here"? :p:confused:

peace

I never said I created an earthquake on this forum

jim

[donk]

I would suggest this is essential reading for anyone who thinks that Jim's claims cannot possibly be real.



I don't think it's about whether or not it can be real. Imagine it can be real. As Spiderman once said: "With great power, comes great responsibility".

It's one thing to be able to move a mountain. It's another thing to the people living on it.

I feel it is important to keep a check on intent. And also consequences to actions.

[Christine]

I wasn't addressing blufire in my post, it was to Eram.

And I agree Jim's remarks about the nest of reptilians was unwarranted, he doesn't do blufire, himself, or Avalon any justice or help by stating this about another. I am in full agreement with Ulli about that.

Love you donk! Really, what is happening here is beyond the personal so I am OPEN to the deepest understanding we can come to.




If what Jim says doesn't resonate, fine. What does he do that bothers you personally? What are your views of our shared reality? Instead of saying Jim is making wild claims you could choose to think them through and respond intelligently with your point of view.



Christine I love and respect you more than just about anyone around here, but I am calling you out on this one. Blufire responded intelligently, clearly and directly to everything bothering her, and I easily heard her explaining views on our shared reality.

[RMorgan]

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I would suggest this is essential reading for anyone who thinks that Jim's claims cannot possibly be real.



Bill,

You know better than anyone else that there's a HUGE gap between something being possible and something being true.

All I know is that, for me, it's impossible to believe any of such unusual claims without evidence, independently of how many books are published about this or that.

Like I said, for all who claim to have super-skills, it should be proportionally super-easy to prove them, beyond doubts, to anyone who doubts them.

If someone comes to me and say something like "Hey, I can fly!", I would say "Sure, so go ahead and fly". It's as simple as that...Same goes for Jim's claims.

Believe me; If Jim could prove to me that he's the real deal, I would measure no efforts to prove to the whole world that he is...The thing is, he can't prove it because very probably none of this reflects the truth.

Knowing you as the rationally balanced man you are, I'm extremely interested to understand why you have deposited such amount of faith in Jim and his claims...Unless you have witnessed one of his "miracles", or you have any other strong reason that you're not sharing with us.

Asking, or suggesting that people should blindly believe such things without evidence is the same as asking them to surrender their intellect to ignorance.

Things need to be explained here, Bill.

Cheers,

Raf,

[jiminii]

There is a japanese religion that I don't know the name and they use light for healing. They teach how to send light to each person and occasionally they will run into someone with 3rd degree burns all over her body and when they keep sending light to the person this other entity suddenly appears and we find out why this other entity is putting 3rd degree burns on this person's body. The person burned the other person in a fire in a previous lifetime and so she is now getting revenge as a spirit. so the person sending light must help them forgive each other so this other entity will leave and the 3rd degree burns will be healed.

now that is just one story. it doesn't particularly mean that there are entities attached to blufire or anyone else. But what I read revealed there are entities trying to push through that agenda.

that is what I spotted. it is the NWO agenda and I do not agree with the NWO agenda and I could feel this negativity coming over me on this agenda and so I kicked them out who ever they are ... they were a bunch of nasty spirit beings.

I thought from reading blufire's thread that she might have been warning us of this NWO, but I misunderstood her intentions. She is just revealing her truth.

so I can accept her truth for what it is.

but I don't have to agree to this agenda because I don't believe in poisoning the world with monsanto and doing all the things this NWO does.

she may agree to it from her own belief system but I don't

so I am sorry I misread what she was saying

jim

[Bill Ryan]

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I would suggest this is essential reading for anyone who thinks that Jim's claims cannot possibly be real.



Bill,

You know better than anyone else that there's a HUGE gap between something being possible and something being true.

All I know is that, for me, it's impossible to believe any of such unusual claims without evidence, independently of how many books are published about this or that.




Hi, Raf!

Spiders.

Your turn. :)

With my sincere best wishes (do PM me, please, at any time) -- Bill

[thunder24]

i never said you did




When Jimini claims that he invoked an earthquake of 7.7 in a specific area, then we can go check on-site to see whether Jimini spoke thruth. IMO, nothing to do dramatic about. Very basic stuff from a scientific point of view.


Can you link us to the site? And what on that site would let us know, that Jim or anyone else caused that quake... Cause it happened and therefore he spoke truth, or the site will say with an arrow pointing.... "jim's quake here"? :p:confused:

peace

I never said I created an earthquake on this forum

jim

[RMorgan]

Hi, Raf!

Spiders.

Your turn. :)

With my sincere best wishes (do PM me, please, at any time) -- Bill

Bill,

You know these are totally different things.

First, I never claimed I was provoking a paranormal phenomena.

Second, I am perfectly aware that such experiences might be provoked by natural neuro-psychological processes, such as archetypal visions or hypnagogic hallucinations.

Third, for what it's worth, many people around the world have witnessed the same phenomena, which of course, doesn't prove it may not be caused by natural psychological or neurological processes.

Fourth, I was not preaching anything to anyone, nor claiming I had the final answer about these matters.

Fifth, I was never asking anyone to believe me.

Sixth, I didn't ask or need any "babysitting" to save me from my contradictions.

Seventh, I never claimed to have multiple bodies in the same planet, some of them living in submarine bases. Never claimed to come from the future. Never claimed to be able to move or cause Hurricanes.

Sharing a personal and abstract experience is undoubtedly different than claiming to be able to do apparently outrageous things that could easily be observed, proved and studied, if true.

Comparing apples and oranges will not take us anywhere. There's a big different between someone who claims to have seen an UFO and someone who claims to be an Extraterrestrial itself. That's about the difference between these two matters.

You know that, right?

Raf.

[Bill Ryan]

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I would suggest this is essential reading for anyone who thinks that Jim's claims cannot possibly be real.



Bill,

You know better than anyone else that there's a HUGE gap between something being possible and something being true.

All I know is that, for me, it's impossible to believe any of such unusual claims without evidence, independently of how many books are published about this or that.




Hi, Raf!

Spiders.

Your turn. :)

With my sincere best wishes (do PM me, please, at any time) -- Bill


A little more (to Raf):

Raf, I didn't mean the above to be part of a dueling contest. :) I was just making the point, that I am sure you will understand.

No-one's urging anyone to believe anything here. It's really reporting, sharing, and seeking to integrate personal experience.

As many reading this may tire of hearing me say (but to others,who are new members, they be reading this for the first time), I saw an ET pysically materialize in my bedroom 29 years ago. Here are the facts:


It was real.
I know what I saw.
I cannot prove it to anyone.


But -- my reporting my personal story, which has to be classed as a subjective experience (Spiders again!) -- may encourage others to find the courage to do the same. You have to understand, for reasons that I also know you'll understand, that I never breathed a word about this to anyone apart from my closest friends for over two decades.

Now, it's Google-searchable, and on record all over the internet, and I don't care -- because I KNOW what happened, and I KNOW what I saw, and it doesn;t bother me if some people don't believe me or think I'm inventing the story.

What I'm really interested in now are other people's similar experiences, because I still don't know WHY that happened to me. And for me, that's part of the process of 'integration' -- a challenging one -- which I've referred to above.

With my best wishes -- Bill

[mahalall]

When will they land, or if they land how we you react?

reminds me of the perception of being telephoned by an old academic friend at a near by university who invites me over. In his study he draws back a sliding bookcase to reveal a sky lift. With some consideration i enter and am taking up and on upon a craft. After the decontamination procedures am lead into a main area. To then be greeted by a large variety of the human populace. Oddly they all seem to be waiting for something. The questioning thought arose before returning back, what where they waiting for? and the answer was disturbing.

So when now presented with the ticket, i will be very wary about taking up the offer.

[Lifebringer]

Yes, calming the storms caused by haarp, to counter attacks on life.

Interesting times indeed.

[Peace of Mind]

sounds like more technology being used on the masses (now and in the past).


http://www.techbriefs.com/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=/Briefs/Apr02/NPO20101.html


Making Three-Dimensional Holograms Visible From All Sides
Three-dimensional virtual reality displays could be viewed without visual aids.
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California

A technique for projecting holographic images to make both still and moving three-dimensional displays is undergoing development. Unlike older techniques based on stereoscopy to give the appearance of three-dimensionality, the developmental technique would not involve the use of polarizing goggles, goggles equipped with miniature video cameras, or other visual aids. Unlike in holographic display as practiced until now, visibility of the image would not be restricted to a narrow range of directions about a specified line of sight to a holographic projection plate. Instead, the image would be visible from any side or from the top; that is, from any position with a clear line of sight to the projection apparatus. In other words, the display could be viewed as though it were an ordinary three-dimensional object. The technique has obvious potential value for the entertainment industry, and for military uses like displaying battlefield scenes overlaid on three-dimensional terrain maps.

An essential element of the technique is the use of block of silica aerogel as the display medium. Silica aerogel is an open-cell glass foam with a chemical composition similar to that of quartz and a density as low as about one-tenth that of quartz. The sizes of cell features are of the order of 100 Å. Silica aerogel is a suitable display medium because it is nearly completely transparent, with just enough scattering and reflection to enable the generation of a real image.

The figure illustrates a conceptual application in which a three-dimensional topographical map would be displayed by fusing images projected into a block of silica aerogel from four separate holograms. One could use static holograms to project still images, either alone or in combination with computer-generated holograms to project moving or still images. A computer-generated hologram would be downloaded into a large liquid-crystal, which would be illuminated by a laser projection apparatus to display the holographic image in the aerogel block. For example, the terrain image could be projected from static holograms, while a computer-generated hologram would be used to depict a vehicle moving on the terrain.

This work was done by Frederick Mintz, Tien-Hsin Chao, Peter Tsou, and Nevin Bryant of Caltech for NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. For further information, access the Technical Support Package (TSP) free on-line at www.nasatech.com/tsp under the Physical Sciences category.
A Three-Dimensional Topographical Map, projected from holograms for display in a block of aerogel, would be visible from any position above the projection table. One of the holograms could be generated by a computer to depict a vehicle moving on the terrain.



This invention is owned by NASA, and a patent application has been filed. Inquiries concerning nonexclusive or exclusive license for its commercial development should be addressed to the Patent Counsel, NASA Management Office–JPL (818)354-2240. Refer to NPO-20101.
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hmmmm,

Peace

[Sebastion]

Referring to your post #64, Bill, I cannot believe for a second that Jiminii falls in the category that you describe. Too many times I have read posts of his that I know is simply imagination on his part. The latest being his view on clearing out a nest of reptilians attached to Blufire.

His statements about "we" are doing this and "they" are doing that from the future, from spirit bodies no less, is utterly ludicrous. What he would try to allude to deals in the realm of the higher selves which, I can assure you, he knows nothing about. He reminds me of a kindergarden student attempting to tell the superintendant of schools how to run the school system! Sorry, but it wouldn't work here in 3d and it doesn't work that way in the world of Spirit either.

Jiminii may or may not have special abilities, either way bothers me not. I get perturbed when he begins spouting nonsense regarding things related to spirit which I know to be simply his imagination. It's hard enough for sincere people seeking the truth to find answers they are looking for. The last thing they need is yet another charlatan spewing nonsense.

However, I have a tendency to believe that Jiminii has already furnished evidence on who he really is. Read Lou Baldin's book, A Day with an Extraterrestrial or In League with a UFO, then compare that with what Jiminii has already said regarding his abduction. Methinks the picture may begin to clear up somewhat. I will leave the rest up to your own discernment.

[jiminii]

Referring to your post #64, Bill, I cannot believe for a second that Jiminii falls in the category that you describe. Too many times I have read posts of his that I know is simply imagination on his part. The latest being his view on clearing out a nest of reptilians attached to Blufire.

His statements about "we" are doing this and "they" are doing that from the future, from spirit bodies no less, is utterly ludicrous. What he would try to allude to deals in the realm of the higher selves which, I can assure you, he knows nothing about. He reminds me of a kindergarden student attempting to tell the superintendant of schools how to run the school system! Sorry, but it wouldn't work here in 3d and it doesn't work that way in the world of Spirit either.

Jiminii may or may not have special abilities, either way bothers me not. I get perturbed when he begins spouting nonsense regarding things related to spirit which I know to be simply his imagination. It's hard enough for sincere people seeking the truth to find answers they are looking for. The last thing they need is yet another charlatan spewing nonsense.

However, I have a tendency to believe that Jiminii has already furnished evidence on who he really is. Read Lou Baldin's book, A Day with an Extraterrestrial or In League with a UFO, then compare that with what Jiminii has already said regarding his abduction. Methinks the picture may begin to clear up somewhat. I will leave the rest up to your own discernment.

WE is those of us that have been cleared enough in the future to return to the static or if you like a better word (source)

we can operate from there. All the spirits in this universe are in this static but their awareness or consciousness might be stuck all over this universe.

when we have to handle an insane person he could have himself stuck all over in past and present times. So he actually SEES the SNAKES COMING OUT OF THE WALLS

the psychiatrist will tell him it is an illusion so then this person will stay stuck forever. So an auditor does not evaluate or invalidate what the person sees.
then the person can sort out the different times he is stuck in and come back to present time and be normal again.

I can not give you your answers and if I try to give you mine it would take books and you would have to go back in time to see for yourself.

what path you choose is up to you.

jim

[Sebastion]

Jiminii, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you believe what you say, but believing something can be a far cry from the truth of the matter. Don't you wonder how you knew all about that ET ship and how to run and control it? Do you not wonder also how you knew what that download box was? But you don't know what they done to you do you? You have stated as much.

On earth, people have to be trained how to run equipment and I believe the same would hold true amongst aliens as it stands to reason. So tell me please just how you knew everything about that ship, unless you were first trained how to run it and the download machine. You have said you came into your body when you were 4 and a half yrs old if I remember correctly. How do you reckon that took place? It just happened out of the blue? Do these questions stir anything inside of you?

And to add, I believe you said it was a ship that had grey aliens running it. Now I would ask you, what are the greys famous for doing with humans apart from inserting implants and biological experiments after abduction? One last question please: What happened to the original consciousness that inhabited your body before you came into it?




Referring to your post #64, Bill, I cannot believe for a second that Jiminii falls in the category that you describe. Too many times I have read posts of his that I know is simply imagination on his part. The latest being his view on clearing out a nest of reptilians attached to Blufire.

His statements about "we" are doing this and "they" are doing that from the future, from spirit bodies no less, is utterly ludicrous. What he would try to allude to deals in the realm of the higher selves which, I can assure you, he knows nothing about. He reminds me of a kindergarden student attempting to tell the superintendant of schools how to run the school system! Sorry, but it wouldn't work here in 3d and it doesn't work that way in the world of Spirit either.

Jiminii may or may not have special abilities, either way bothers me not. I get perturbed when he begins spouting nonsense regarding things related to spirit which I know to be simply his imagination. It's hard enough for sincere people seeking the truth to find answers they are looking for. The last thing they need is yet another charlatan spewing nonsense.

However, I have a tendency to believe that Jiminii has already furnished evidence on who he really is. Read Lou Baldin's book, A Day with an Extraterrestrial or In League with a UFO, then compare that with what Jiminii has already said regarding his abduction. Methinks the picture may begin to clear up somewhat. I will leave the rest up to your own discernment.

WE is those of us that have been cleared enough in the future to return to the static or if you like a better word (source)

we can operate from there. All the spirits in this universe are in this static but their awareness or consciousness might be stuck all over this universe.

when we have to handle an insane person he could have himself stuck all over in past and present times. So he actually SEES the SNAKES COMING OUT OF THE WALLS

the psychiatrist will tell him it is an illusion so then this person will stay stuck forever. So an auditor does not evaluate or invalidate what the person sees.
then the person can sort out the different times he is stuck in and come back to present time and be normal again.

I can not give you your answers and if I try to give you mine it would take books and you would have to go back in time to see for yourself.

what path you choose is up to you.

jim

[Richard S.]

I can sincerely say I understand those who "doubt" Jim, I was one of them until I finally came into "getting" him.

It happened reading his posts and threads, he helped me realize some things I have been wondering about.

I also understand why so many are uncomfortable with his posts, I felt the same way, until I "got" him.

All in all, maybe we should just let everyone be and express themselves. Then we can make our own decisions about what is true.

Isn't this forum exactly about that?

Love to all,
Rick

[jiminii]

Jiminii, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you believe what you say, but believing something can be a far cry from the truth of the matter. Don't you wonder how you knew all about that ET ship and how to run and control it? Do you not wonder also how you knew what that download box was? But you don't know what they done to you do you? You have stated as much.

On earth, people have to be trained how to run equipment and I believe the same would hold true amongst aliens as it stands to reason. So tell me please just how you knew everything about that ship, unless you were first trained how to run it and the download machine. You have said you came into your body when you were 4 and a half yrs old if I remember correctly. How do you reckon that took place? It just happened out of the blue? Do these questions stir anything inside of you?

And to add, I believe you said it was a ship that had grey aliens running it. Now I would ask you, what are the greys famous for doing with humans apart from inserting implants and biological experiments after abduction? One last question please: What happened to the original consciousness that inhabited your body before you came into it?




Referring to your post #64, Bill, I cannot believe for a second that Jiminii falls in the category that you describe. Too many times I have read posts of his that I know is simply imagination on his part. The latest being his view on clearing out a nest of reptilians attached to Blufire.

His statements about "we" are doing this and "they" are doing that from the future, from spirit bodies no less, is utterly ludicrous. What he would try to allude to deals in the realm of the higher selves which, I can assure you, he knows nothing about. He reminds me of a kindergarden student attempting to tell the superintendant of schools how to run the school system! Sorry, but it wouldn't work here in 3d and it doesn't work that way in the world of Spirit either.

Jiminii may or may not have special abilities, either way bothers me not. I get perturbed when he begins spouting nonsense regarding things related to spirit which I know to be simply his imagination. It's hard enough for sincere people seeking the truth to find answers they are looking for. The last thing they need is yet another charlatan spewing nonsense.

However, I have a tendency to believe that Jiminii has already furnished evidence on who he really is. Read Lou Baldin's book, A Day with an Extraterrestrial or In League with a UFO, then compare that with what Jiminii has already said regarding his abduction. Methinks the picture may begin to clear up somewhat. I will leave the rest up to your own discernment.

WE is those of us that have been cleared enough in the future to return to the static or if you like a better word (source)

we can operate from there. All the spirits in this universe are in this static but their awareness or consciousness might be stuck all over this universe.

when we have to handle an insane person he could have himself stuck all over in past and present times. So he actually SEES the SNAKES COMING OUT OF THE WALLS

the psychiatrist will tell him it is an illusion so then this person will stay stuck forever. So an auditor does not evaluate or invalidate what the person sees.
then the person can sort out the different times he is stuck in and come back to present time and be normal again.

I can not give you your answers and if I try to give you mine it would take books and you would have to go back in time to see for yourself.

what path you choose is up to you.

jim

the greys are a humanoid and run by many other aliens besides the aliens that are implanters. the one I saw is basically a servant type. It just does what it does like a typical robot would.

TO understand this you what have to know the difference between a Ghost GE and a spirit

My recall was very fast and I was very aware of the mission I was on.

They could not afford to allow me to be discovered in Scientology. This would reveal too much and could jeopardize the mission.

this did not stop my abilities at all so they could possible make it harder for me to connect between the body GE and the spirit but the amazing thing is that it proved out. What ever they tried to implant in me did not affect me the spirit because I have no automatic 25 picture a second recording memory. The only thing they could do is implant the body GE.

but they can't do that either because my body was not there.

so that is why I don't think they put anything in me except flashing pictures at the spirit that I don't recall at all. I woke up as if nothing had happened at all

so it only proves to me that if they tried to stop the mission they couldn't do it to me.

so maybe they worked on others in the CoS to do it. None of my Powerful abilities was stopped.

and the truth is YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME .... IT'S ONLY YOUR THINK

I say things the way I say them because I have to find a way to talk farmers language and this does not invalidate the data.

every night I connect to some portal that opens up and reels of data is sent to me or they will communicate to me but it is so fast this body can't see what is there. I KNOW what they are doing. I go into Huge yawns that you could not understand if you have never seen what happens in sessions, since as far as I know you have never done a session so I really think you spend most of the week thumbing through my post to find things you can discredit me with because the only post I see you make are attacks against me

jim

[mojo]

the greys are a humanoid and run by many other aliens besides the aliens that are implanters. the one I saw is basically a servant type. It just does what it does like a typical robot would.

One of the most amazing personal observations which unfortunately was not captured on video (had a few of those), was a group (4-6) of the smaller ones when they came through an opening on the craft which appeared to be a deck. They moved at incredible speed and performing a task and moving along the deck for just a few seconds before it was gone.

Think what was observed were the grey types, and there's a collective working together with other types of benevolents, seen a taller one and a mantis type, and ones in light body phase. Maybe the greys have some self-will and can choose? Can't recall the researchers name but mentioned there were a group of greys that split off from the ones working for the negative types. Maybe Grey's can tell good from bad? But interesting seen them performing tasks.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

You have said you came into your body when you were 4 and a half yrs old if I remember correctly.


What happened to the original consciousness that inhabited your body before you came into it?

The above questions were asked by Sebastion and I am curious too Jim.

What happened to the kids consciousness, did it take a seat in the dug out to make room for you and if yes, did it give you permission for your consciousness to enter, what was the deal here, what's in it for the kid in this trade off, do you know or are willing to say?

If I am allowed to ask of course.

[Sebastion]

My apologies to you Jiminii if you somehow construed my last post as an attack upon you because it was not. They were simply straight forward questions to you from information you have supplied already.

You said in your last post that "every night you open up to some portal...." I would have more of a tendency to believe it was an implant you are opening to not "some portal". But believe what you will and I will do the same, so I will leave you in peace.

I have said all I am going to say and will now bow out of your thread....

[skippy]

Jimini's contribution to this forum reminds me of Christ saying: "Let us be like children. For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like children." Matthew 19:14

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Jimini's contribution to this forum reminds me of Christ saying: "Let us be like children. For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like children." Matthew 19:14

"For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who hijack meat suits?". Edgar 22:24

[skippy]

Jimini's contribution to this forum reminds me of Christ saying: "Let us be like children. For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like children." Matthew 19:14

"For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who hijack meat suits?". Edgar 22:24

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SbgYJxhzF_s/Uk2yjfosPYI/AAAAAAAACGY/EN2mp5KXyW4/s1600/codex_skeletons.jpg

Thanks to Dianne's thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64011-Codex-Seraphinianus-The-World-s-Weirdest-Book&p=739535&highlight=codex#post739535)

[jiminii]

You have said you came into your body when you were 4 and a half yrs old if I remember correctly.


What happened to the original consciousness that inhabited your body before you came into it?

The above questions were asked by Sebastion and I am curious too Jim.

What happened to the kids consciousness, did it take a seat in the dug out to make room for you and if yes, did it give you permission for your consciousness to enter, what was the deal here, what's in it for the kid in this trade off, do you know or are willing to say?

If I am allowed to ask of course.


the body was dying because my mom had me on a milk bread diet the doctor had me take to try to find my allergies. My father said I looked like bones so the entity that was in me wanted to leave the body and that is when Metteyya came in

simple

jim

[sandy]

Dear Bill,

I agree that this subject belongs here at Avalon and is in order for its own separate thread. Jiminii is Unique as we all are. However his talents and abilities IMHO should not be show cased (lack of a better term) as the abilities to be encouraged or enhanced by one and all, versus Jiminii's journey on this realm.

If we choose to come to this realm to experience and learn then for those needing to do just that, venturing off into other realms distracts and defeats this purpose, especially if one is having difficulties in managing this experience. All the respected Masters, etc lived in this realm and dealt with living in this realm, first and foremost.

A separate thread would facilitate those looking for further enlightenment into other dimensions, needing like minded others, support and reasurrance that metaphysical experiences, etc. are a reality. There would be no interuptions in the flow of energy on such a thread. Heck who knows what could materialize if the energy flow of such a thread was not interferred with. :)

I guess by now you can tell I'm pretty much a realist (although I have had my metaphysical experiences too) but living and experiencing the here and now is a full time job IMHO. Knowing how one feels every living moment, what one is thinking instantly and basically observing oneself to effect their behavior in order to function with the most loving energy is all consuming at best.

Breaks are needed though, so IMHO, all the rest is just distractions and recreation from the work we have agreed to come here and do in this realm, within this beautiful planet, guided by Natural Law, and our wonderful Mother Earth and Father Sky. :)

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I would suggest this is essential reading for anyone who thinks that Jim's claims cannot possibly be real.

The PK Man: A True Story of Mind Over Matter (http://www.amazon.com/The-PK-Man-Story-Matter/dp/1571741836)

Quoted rom Amazon:





Jeffrey Mishlove's The PK Man, the true and strange story of Ted Owens, whose claims of powerful psychokinetic abilities given to him by "Space Intelligences" were too bizarre and extreme for many to believe. When these claims were ignored or challenged, he purportedly used his powers to produce earthquakes, civil unrest, UFO sightings, strange weather events, and other powerful phenomena. Owens even threatened to down aircraft to garner attention.

Was there any truth to Owens' abilities, or was he a fraud with a knack for picking the times and places of catastrophes? Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, a respected parapsychologist and host of the popular public television program Thinking Allowed, analyzes correspondence, interviews, newspaper reports, and remarkable life of "the world's greatest psychic," as Owens claimed to be. Whether Owens was a prodigious liar and dangerous con-man, or a true but unbalanced master who used his incredible powers primarily for petty acts of revenge, many questions remain, and the implications for the rest of us are staggering.

http://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1347626190l/982069.jpg


My own comment:

Ted Owens, who this book is about (and who is no longer with us), was an emotionally troubled psychic who by all accounts had staggering, almost unbelievable abilities that were of an almost godlike nature.

But he was not at all stable, and -- like quite a few people with astonishing gifts: ask any Indigo prodigy, or, for that mater, Inelia Benz! -- had huge trouble integrating into a 'normal' personality what he discovered he could do. He never succeeded.

The book is not only the story of his life and his abilities, but the story of his own battles with himself (and the rest of the world). He lost those battles.

* I mentioned Inelia above. Some of you may have watched my 2011 interview with her, and there is a thread about her here (A most interesting one -- do read from the start.)

The Inelia thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread)

The video is here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZqzZUV19w

The more astonishing unbelievable stories of things Inelia had done or experienced we decided to edit OUT of the interview because the accounts of spectacular psychic abilities (many of them just as unbelievable as anything Jim might report from his own experiences) was not the point of her message. Inelia has (maybe wisely) never publicly told some of her personal stories. Material that is literally extremely hard for most people to believe does tend to get in the way.

Another book well worth reading from cover to cover is Michael Tablot's Masterwork, The Holographic Universe.

Here it is as a PDF. Enjoy. :)

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_Michael_Talbot.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_cover_sm.jpg

The relevance here is that after reading The Holographic Universe, you may never again doubt that these kinds of phenomena are possible.

There are many other such books. Lyall Watson's Gifts of Unknown Things (http://www.amazon.com/Gifts-Unknown-Things-Initiation-Indonesias/dp/0892813539) (1976) reports an encounter with a young girl on an Indonesian Island who had abilities that make those of Jim, Inelia, and even Ted Owens seem insigificant in comparison.

She could literally manipulate reality around her -- for instance, creating trees (solid, real ones!) -- where there were none before. Lyall Watson witnessed all of this personally, and a good portion of the book is about what he experienced and saw with his own eyes. This young girl was revered and protected by the islanders as a goddess-shaman of great importance.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JmOvADztL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

At the very beginning of another of Lyall Watson's books -- either Supernature (http://www.amazon.com/Supernature-Lyall-Watson/dp/0340173688) or Lifetide (http://www.amazon.com/Lifetide-Lyall-Watson/dp/0340416688) -- he reports the story of a young Italian girl who had the ability to TURN TENNIS BALLS INSIDE OUT. (Now read that again!)

And in Paul Dong's book China's Super Psychics (http://www.amazon.com/Chinas-Super-Psychics-Paul-Dong/dp/1569247153), he reports case after case after case of young Chinese children with abilities so extraordinary that they have all been adopted into special training by the Chinese military.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514NKM904QL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

There is MUCH MUCH MUCH more in the literature about all this. These people exist. My request to all critics and skeptics reading this:

Read these books (or at least, read the reviews, summaries and comments!) and realize that these things are all very real, if exceptional.

We do not want to become an inquisition here. If someone comes to us reporting abilities and experiences (and MANY Avalon members have had these experiences, not just Jim -- I know this for a fact, and I've experienced some rather extraordinary things myself) -- we should, as Motivational Speaker and Writer Dr Stephen Covey says (as his "Habit 5" of The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People)):

Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood.

The subject of exceptional people possessing exceptional psychic gifts might appropriately deserve a separate thread of its own. Not a bad idea! This subject BELONGS here on Avalon.






Edit to add: I've started that thread here, with a slightly expanded version of this post:

Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64028-Exceptional-psychic-abilities-in-exceptional-people)

[sandy]

Dear Jiminii,

With this message, I'm challenging you on covert manipulation thwarting Bulfire and her truth. I think it would be much smarter of you to not think that this kind of behavior cannot be seen by Avalon Members.




There is a japanese religion that I don't know the name and they use light for healing. They teach how to send light to each person and occasionally they will run into someone with 3rd degree burns all over her body and when they keep sending light to the person this other entity suddenly appears and we find out why this other entity is putting 3rd degree burns on this person's body. The person burned the other person in a fire in a previous lifetime and so she is now getting revenge as a spirit. so the person sending light must help them forgive each other so this other entity will leave and the 3rd degree burns will be healed.

now that is just one story. it doesn't particularly mean that there are entities attached to blufire or anyone else. But what I read revealed there are entities trying to push through that agenda.

that is what I spotted. it is the NWO agenda and I do not agree with the NWO agenda and I could feel this negativity coming over me on this agenda and so I kicked them out who ever they are ... they were a bunch of nasty spirit beings.

I thought from reading blufire's thread that she might have been warning us of this NWO, but I misunderstood her intentions. She is just revealing her truth.

so I can accept her truth for what it is.

but I don't have to agree to this agenda because I don't believe in poisoning the world with monsanto and doing all the things this NWO does.

she may agree to it from her own belief system but I don't

so I am sorry I misread what she was saying

jim

[778 neighbour of some guy]

You have said you came into your body when you were 4 and a half yrs old if I remember correctly.


What happened to the original consciousness that inhabited your body before you came into it?

The above questions were asked by Sebastion and I am curious too Jim.

What happened to the kids consciousness, did it take a seat in the dug out to make room for you and if yes, did it give you permission for your consciousness to enter, what was the deal here, what's in it for the kid in this trade off, do you know or are willing to say?

If I am allowed to ask of course.


the body was dying because my mom had me on a milk bread diet the doctor had me take to try to find my allergies. My father said I looked like bones so the entity that was in me wanted to leave the body and that is when Metteyya came in

simple

jim

Ah ok, well that's cleared up then, good for both of you, so this would be something that occurs more often in general terms I guess, got a clue about the numbers Jim and does this only occur in life threatening situations, where an agreement is in place or do you have any knowledge of this process happening involuntary where the owner doesn't agree? There is already a lot of knowledge here about walk inns and what have we but you seem to be one of the few live and kicking ones on the forum who speaks out, the farmer speak comes easy to you I see when the questions are specific and not beat around the bush.

[jiminii]

You have said you came into your body when you were 4 and a half yrs old if I remember correctly.


What happened to the original consciousness that inhabited your body before you came into it?

The above questions were asked by Sebastion and I am curious too Jim.

What happened to the kids consciousness, did it take a seat in the dug out to make room for you and if yes, did it give you permission for your consciousness to enter, what was the deal here, what's in it for the kid in this trade off, do you know or are willing to say?

If I am allowed to ask of course.


the body was dying because my mom had me on a milk bread diet the doctor had me take to try to find my allergies. My father said I looked like bones so the entity that was in me wanted to leave the body and that is when Metteyya came in

simple

jim

Ah ok, well that's cleared up then, good for both of you, so this would be something that occurs more often in general terms I guess, got a clue about the numbers Jim and does this only occur in life threatening situations, where an agreement is in place or do you have any knowledge of this process happening involuntary where the owner doesn't agree? There is already a lot of knowledge here about walk inns and what have we but you seem to be one of the few live and kicking ones on the forum who speaks out, the farmer speak comes easy to you I see when the questions are specific and not beat around the bush.

an oil driller drove a 16 pound sledge hammer through my head after he missed a hammer wrench I was holding. I could feel my whole head split open while saying "is my head still here, is my head still here, ... is my head still here.????" then in an instant the head was back

I turned and looked at the driller and said, "I think I better stand a bit more over here." and he and the other crew were in shock ... so I have no idea what they saw.

He yelled and said, "GET UP ON THE DECK AND WASH ALL THAT BLOOD OFF."

actually I felt bad because I didn't want him to feel bad about hitting me in the head,

I always have this innocent reaction of not wanting to hurt the others feelings for some stupid mistake I made even if it is him hitting me with a sledge hammer.

I washed a lot of thick paste out of my hair and looked in the mirror. No bump, no cut ,, nothing ,, just a slight headache,

so went down and told him I was ok and ready to work and he yelled again and said, "get down to the hospital and see if there is anything wrong with your head"

I didn't keep the job on that oil rig very long, it seems that they must have felt there was a REAL ALIEN FROM THE DARK LAGOON working with them.

jim

[blufire]

Being almost always practical, problem solving, pragmatic and left brained logical . . . . . may I make a suggestion that may solve the polarization Jim’s (jiminii) threads and posts are causing within the forum?

It is obvious and has been voiced many times by Bill and moderation that jim has great difficulty presenting his material and himself in the forum. It has been said that we left brained logical people do not ‘get him’ and I most certainly agree with that assessment. It is supposedly the right brained intuitive people that understand and ‘get Jim’.

So it seems logical to me that a group should be started in the Groups section (look at tabs under the banner) of the forum. In this Jiminii Group all that understand and want to learn more with jim can join and have uninterrupted flow of discussion and learning.

Also, in this group the members can help jim formulate his ideas, experiences and thoughts and then these edited versions of his posts be presented to the forum as a whole and in one thread that would contain all of jim’s material. This way when jim’s material is presented on the general forum the rest of us who choose to read his posts can hopefully understand him more effectively.

So what do you think? I feel sincerely this is a fair solution for everyone involved and would end this slippery slope that it appears we are on.

[Flash]

Being almost always practical, problem solving, pragmatic and left brained logical . . . . . may I make a suggestion that may solve the polarization Jim’s (jiminii) threads and posts are causing within the forum?

It is obvious and has been voiced many times by Bill and moderation that jim has great difficulty presenting his material and himself in the forum. It has been said that we left brained logical people do not ‘get him’ and I most certainly agree with that assessment. It is supposedly the right brained intuitive people that understand and ‘get Jim’.

So it seems logical to me that a group should be started in the Groups section (look at tabs under the banner) of the forum. In this Jiminii Group all that understand and want to learn more with jim can join and have uninterrupted flow of discussion and learning.

Also, in this group the members can help jim formulate his ideas, experiences and thoughts and then these edited versions of his posts be presented to the forum as a whole and in one thread that would contain all of jim’s material. This way when jim’s material is presented on the general forum the rest of us who choose to read his posts can hopefully understand him more effectively.

So what do you think? I feel sincerely this is a fair solution for everyone involved and would end this slippery slope that it appears we are on.

Blufire, you may be looking for a solution to a "problem" that does not need a solution, in my idea. Pushing Jimminy aside by putting him in a sub forum to which the greater public does not have access, even regular members may not check, in not a solution. It is still pushing him aside and trying to have his words transformed of diluted for the "comprehension" of "left brains" (" " means I do not entirely buy into these concepts).

wow, an aside, my daughter Mini Flash is practicing piano and her songs as i am writing, it is beautiful. And right brained lol.

That would not be good either if "right brained" members would ask to push "left brain members" aside or try to adapt their writings.

The logic Bufire is that, on earth, we have all kind of people, with a multitude of ways of expressing themselves. Some are at ease with it, some are not, some are agile in a multiple language bases, some other panic in such and environment. I sometimes have problems to understand Agape for example and it has nothing to do with right-left brain stuff but with the usage of the English language by a non English speaking person. Are we going to have sub forums for non English speakers?

And are we going to have sub forums for all kind of mental differences, such as those who have light autism, those who have dyslexia since they have problems to write clearly, those who have dysphasia, since the handling of the languare is altogether difficult for them and they do express better form their right brain? You see my drift I am sure.

Also, by presenting all of one material in one thread disallow for flowing discussions where members can interact on the spot, almost live. Unless the person presenting in one thread wants to be a presenter only, no discussions ensuing. The direct flow IS IMPORTANT in creativity and to push the thinking further, mostly for right brainers. Left brainers need more time to analyse and often delay interactions. Fine, just different ways of being.

Differences have to be accepted and communication inclusive Blufire.

Now, my question is the following: why does Jimmini disturbs you sooooo much that you want to push him aside? Apart from you thinking he will destroy the forum, which we can all make sure it does not happen, why does he seems to disturb you so much??? What is it that makes you feel uncomfortable when you do not understand the written communication? A question from me to ponder on, if you wish only.

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And do not forget that I am French, English is not my language, I learned it late in life (well, in my early twenties which makes me a never to be completely fluent/at ease in English).

So please, before interpreting negatively anything, ask me, I may just have used the wrong wording.

[Dorjezigzag]

Being almost always practical, problem solving, pragmatic and left brained logical . . . . . may I make a suggestion that may solve the polarization Jim’s (jiminii) threads and posts are causing within the forum?

It is obvious and has been voiced many times by Bill and moderation that jim has great difficulty presenting his material and himself in the forum. It has been said that we left brained logical people do not ‘get him’ and I most certainly agree with that assessment. It is supposedly the right brained intuitive people that understand and ‘get Jim’.

So it seems logical to me that a group should be started in the Groups section (look at tabs under the banner) of the forum. In this Jiminii Group all that understand and want to learn more with jim can join and have uninterrupted flow of discussion and learning.

Also, in this group the members can help jim formulate his ideas, experiences and thoughts and then these edited versions of his posts be presented to the forum as a whole and in one thread that would contain all of jim’s material. This way when jim’s material is presented on the general forum the rest of us who choose to read his posts can hopefully understand him more effectively.

So what do you think? I feel sincerely this is a fair solution for everyone involved and would end this slippery slope that it appears we are on.


Sorry I don't find you logical at all, Monsanto is great because Aliens told me makes no sense to me. We can discuss genetic modification, but mention the word monsanto, involved in Agent orange, aspertane, GM foods etc etc and you may as well say Jimmy Saville was misunderstood because aliens told me. You P*ss over so many threads, and yet you do not allow anyone to disagree on yours and do all you can to stop it. I actually think it is fine to have a disenting voice sometimes which you often provide, but just don't send people you disagree with to the forum ghetto.

To be quite honest, sometimes Jimini does not do it for me, but I like his constant positivity and I would always encourage his unique input, except the whole gay thing but he seems to have let that go

[blufire]

Flash . . .I am not wanting to push Jim to the side in any way,

I am trying to give him a platform from which he can be more effective for himself and the forum.

If there are a large portion of members who cannot understand what he is saying because he needs help in clarifying and editing his threads and posts then I feel him receiving that help and a group that could maximize his potential could be a positive solution.

Jim is very different (my opinion) than almost any other member I have seen on Camelot or Avalon. I for one cannot find any footing when trying to read his threads and posts and I’m a pretty darn smart gal.

An example is his above post on being hit in the head with a 16 pound sledge hammer. By all rights and logic such an impact would have killed him instantly and totally crushed his skull. So I do not understand that post in any way . . .is he saying he’s immortal, is he saying he bi-located in and out so he was not injured, was he saying that was one of his other bodies or timelines or future or past event . . . . .???? I have absolutely no flippn’ clue what the hell he means by that post . . . . none.

By the way I am very dyslexic and have struggled with it all my life.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

An example is his above post on being hit in the head with a 16 pound sledge hammer. By all rights and logic such an impact would have killed him instantly and totally crushed his skull. So I do not understand that post in any way . . .is he saying he’s immortal, is he saying he bi-located in and out so he was not injured, was he saying that was one of his other bodies or timelines or future or past event . . . . .???? I have absolutely no flippn’ clue what the hell he means by that post . . . . none.


Pfhew, I didn't even dare to respond to his post, thinking I was the one who didn't get it, again, even I was the one asking the question, thanks.

[Bill Ryan]

In this Jiminii Group all that understand and want to learn more with jim can join and have uninterrupted flow of discussion and learning.



But this thread is (or should be) like that. Why can't Jim have an uninterrupted flow of discussion and learning here?

Partial answer: other members post on his thread and interrupt it. :)

blufire, that means you. You did that (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62596-HOW-TO-HEAL-THE-WORLD--A-roadmap-you-may-have-been-waiting-for...-&p=718966#post718966) on the HOW TO HEAL THE WORLD thread as well. Remember?

Here's what I don't understand:


There are 57,000 threads on the forum. Some of those contain deep material that is more than fascinating. Why come to this one, rather the other 56,999, especially to say that you don't like it?
Why is it okay for you to request strongly that your own thread(s) should be protected from interruption and apparent criticism, but you do not uphold that standard within yourself vis-a-vis others?
Another practical solution: Why not put any member that irritates you on INVISIBLE? Or, do you consider yourself to be some kind of Freedom Fighter rallying against Big Brother on behalf of those who you consider need a heroic spokesperson? (Apologies: needed to be said. Please go back to your own thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63899-The-New-World-and-Civilization--the-messages-from-my-Contact-as-a-child-) and present more, or answer questions, there. That will be appreciated by very many, including myself.)


:focus:

[Dorjezigzag]

an oil driller drove a 16 pound sledge hammer through my head after he missed a hammer wrench I was holding. I could feel my whole head split open while saying "is my head still here, is my head still here, ... is my head still here.????" then in an instant the head was back

When i was 8 I got hit by a car in front of a pub, many people saw it, the car was a right off, the whole front was caved in, I came out with a bruise on my knee and a bump on my head, nothing serious, needless to say they did some tests on me after this.:(

I could give you many examples of 'illogical' incidents after this, but this is not illogical to anyone with even a superficial knowledge of quantum physics would realize this is totally within the realms of possibility.

[Bill Ryan]

an oil driller drove a 16 pound sledge hammer through my head after he missed a hammer wrench I was holding. I could feel my whole head split open while saying "is my head still here, is my head still here, ... is my head still here.????" then in an instant the head was back

I turned and looked at the driller and said, "I think I better stand a bit more over here." and he and the other crew were in shock ... so I have no idea what they saw.

He yelled and said, "GET UP ON THE DECK AND WASH ALL THAT BLOOD OFF."

actually I felt bad because I didn't want him to feel bad about hitting me in the head,

I always have this innocent reaction of not wanting to hurt the others feelings for some stupid mistake I made even if it is him hitting me with a sledge hammer.

I washed a lot of thick paste out of my hair and looked in the mirror. No bump, no cut ,, nothing ,, just a slight headache,

so went down and told him I was ok and ready to work and he yelled again and said, "get down to the hospital and see if there is anything wrong with your head"

I didn't keep the job on that oil rig very long, it seems that they must have felt there was a REAL ALIEN FROM THE DARK LAGOON working with them.

jim


Wonderful story. More evidence, if any were needed, that in some ways the human body is NOT a physical object in the normal sense.

There's a whole chapter in Michael Talbot's The Holographic Universe about just that, reporting and describing a large number of similar incidents.

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_Michael_Talbot.pdf

Consider levitation, bilocation, firewalking, breatharianism, overnight miracle cures, the psychic surgeons in the Philippines, and much, much else. Another topic that needs its own thread... :)

[Tangri]

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I would suggest this is essential reading for anyone who thinks that Jim's claims cannot possibly be real.



Bill,

You know better than anyone else that there's a HUGE gap between something being possible and something being true.

All I know is that, for me, it's impossible to believe any of such unusual claims without evidence, independently of how many books are published about this or that.

Like I said, for all who claim to have super-skills, it should be proportionally super-easy to prove them, beyond doubts, to anyone who doubts them.

If someone comes to me and say something like "Hey, I can fly!", I would say "Sure, so go ahead and fly". It's as simple as that...Same goes for Jim's claims.

Believe me; If Jim could prove to me that he's the real deal, I would measure no efforts to prove to the whole world that he is...The thing is, he can't prove it because very probably none of this reflects the truth.

Knowing you as the rationally balanced man you are, I'm extremely interested to understand why you have deposited such amount of faith in Jim and his claims...Unless you have witnessed one of his "miracles", or you have any other strong reason that you're not sharing with us.

Asking, or suggesting that people should blindly believe such things without evidence is the same as asking them to surrender their intellect to ignorance.

Things need to be explained here, Bill.

Cheers,

Raf,

Hi Raf,

I was witnessed and have knowledge relevant to events which I could not explained with my positive science education in the past. I tried to solve this as a reasoning with hipnosis, self delirium, a hallucination caused by unknown toxication.

Those events were extrimely bizzare with my logical judgement, and I tried to avoid those memories for a while, which was very hard to establish, maintain, stay alive and active, to be able to perform my profession.

I know a lot of charlatans out there, to seek attention or financial gain. Our life is very short and too precious to spend on unworthy claims. Try to be open minded even it seems wasting of time in that time being so.

[Dorjezigzag]

I was witnessed and have knowledge relevant to events which I could not explained with my positive science education in the past.

Positive science education? Did it not go beyond the 1900s?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Ok.....

about 20 years ago I had a very serious accident. I was driving a very fast car with the intention of buying it for the business I was managing. Anyway I tested the car to its full potential (nissan 200sx turbo) ... Being a rear wheel drive these cars can be tricky in the wet...it was raining heavily and I floored the car whilst around a bend. Oooops doing about 80-90 mph was too fast and I saw what was coming, a tree! The car rolled 3 times and hit it sideways. The car was a mess and so was I. My back was broken in 2 places..t9 and t12...my jaw was broken in 4 places and I had to have reconstructive surgery...I have 4 plates fitted to this day in my jaw. Changed the shape of my face but still as handsome as ever..lol...

After many months of convalecing the experts said that I would suffer in my early 50's and find it difficult to manage getting around and become less mobile.

Today I am fit as ever and very supple and energetic with mobility much better than younger folk.

At the time of my accident and after, my visualisation processes went into overdrive with positive images abound with me getting better. The power of the mind is beyond most peoples understanding.

If only we all knew the full potential of ourselves. Yes the human body is not as We know it.

Eric





an oil driller drove a 16 pound sledge hammer through my head after he missed a hammer wrench I was holding. I could feel my whole head split open while saying "is my head still here, is my head still here, ... is my head still here.????" then in an instant the head was back

I turned and looked at the driller and said, "I think I better stand a bit more over here." and he and the other crew were in shock ... so I have no idea what they saw.

He yelled and said, "GET UP ON THE DECK AND WASH ALL THAT BLOOD OFF."

actually I felt bad because I didn't want him to feel bad about hitting me in the head,

I always have this innocent reaction of not wanting to hurt the others feelings for some stupid mistake I made even if it is him hitting me with a sledge hammer.

I washed a lot of thick paste out of my hair and looked in the mirror. No bump, no cut ,, nothing ,, just a slight headache,

so went down and told him I was ok and ready to work and he yelled again and said, "get down to the hospital and see if there is anything wrong with your head"

I didn't keep the job on that oil rig very long, it seems that they must have felt there was a REAL ALIEN FROM THE DARK LAGOON working with them.

jim


Wonderful story. More evidence, if any were needed, that in some ways the human body is NOT a physical object in the normal sense.

There's a whole chapter in Michael Talbot's The Holographic Universe about just that, reporting and describing a large number of similar incidents.

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_Michael_Talbot.pdf

Consider levitation, bilocation, firewalking, breatharianism, overnight miracle cures, the psychic surgeons in the Philippines, and much, much else. Another topic that needs its own thread... :)

[RMorgan]

Another practical solution: Why not put any member that irritates you on INVISIBLE? Or, do you consider yourself to be some kind of Freedom Fighter rallying against Big Brother on behalf of those who you consider need a heroic spokesperson? [I](Apologies: needed to be said. Please go back to


Hey Bill,

Well...Are you really suggesting that if we disagree with something, if we believe something is wrong, we should just ignore it and go take care of our own business?

Sorry, my friend, but this simply doesn't sound like you.

I have no formed opinion (yet) about this Blufire X Jim issue, which might as well have been gradually turned into something strictly personal, but this advice of yours doesn't seem compatible with your usual line of thought.

What's wrong?

Raf,

[Dorjezigzag]

Are you really suggesting that if we disagree with something, if we believe something is wrong, we should just ignore it and go take care of our own business?

If you disagree with anything I have said about quantum theory and physics beyond the 1900s I would welcome your questions, but just be aware I do know what i am talking about!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Are you really suggesting that if we disagree with something, if we believe something is wrong, we should just ignore it and go take care of our own business?

If you disagree with anything I have said about quantum theory and physics beyond the 1900s I would welcome your questions, but just be aware I do know what i am talking about!


.....:confused:.... did you address the correct person here?

[Dorjezigzag]

Are you really suggesting that if we disagree with something, if we believe something is wrong, we should just ignore it and go take care of our own business?

If you disagree with anything I have said about quantum theory and physics beyond the 1900s I would welcome your questions, but just be aware I do know what i am talking about!


.....:confused:.... did you address the correct person here?

Yes, I have made statements on this thread that question conclusions that have been made by posters that claim the label of logic and science,

i enjoy a good discussion and I know what i am talking about, so if you if you disagree with me tell me with scientific evidence, of course i will reply with my own. I am confident that science backs my claims, not that it actually matters, but i am just sick of the logic, science card being played by people that are stuck in the 1800s

or would you rather attack those with no scientific knowledge

at 8 years old I had no scientific knowledge, but the car still did not kill me

[mojo]

...old hat but addresses the op question
Stanton sharing his pov.

7NRw-741zdo

[778 neighbour of some guy]

or would you rather attack those with no scientific knowledge

Where science and spirituality meet, remember, these can be inclusive, it was not an attack, it was a question, I believe a valid one, carry on;)

[Dorjezigzag]

or would you rather attack those with no scientific knowledge

Where science and spirituality meet, remember, these can be inclusive, it was not an attack, it was a question, I believe a valid one, carry on;)

I was not refering to you, you did not attack me, but Jimmini tells his personal stories and is attacked with science(?), I am just saying to anyone, bring it on.

I am saying my story so challenge me, I welcome it, i am not like these people that create threads and then say do not say anything against it, I am saying do your best to prove it did not happen, It happened its real, the science is there.

[Agape]

Look you good people of the Earth ( I don't mean to sound anecdotal, it's just as it is ) .
For example , I've made my little statement on this topic about here ..http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64055-The-Proof-is-in-the-Pudding

For those who can't stand reading me, it's simple .. ''They won't land for long time yet but they are here, we've been here for quite a long time ''

Some of us, either as intuitives, scientists or human - extraterrestrials , do have , say occasionally , answers .

It's plain as a day that even if we have answers to much simpler questions, such as 'is overeating really good for you' , not everyone is willing, wishing and ready to agree . Some will go on , stuck on useless arguments that sound like.. you know, there's no uniform truth, no one can answer any of these questions, no. No . This is not true either .

Many of us are here from own free will, to share something unique . That's what makes the forum unique as well .

I can appreciate Bill is difficult stand because he wants to be here about for everybody and make things breathable and at times, we all keep addressing our problems even subconsciously to him and that has no resolve .

I understood that Bill , correct me if I'm wrong have some personal friends in here as well, it's more likely the norm .
For the rest of us, we can't judge each other according to who we are and who is our best friend in life especially when living miles away from each other .

There are many people here, me inclusive , who have not been exactly 'vetted by Bill' . And will never be since we have little chance to know this Bill personally .

Some of us , have been simply vetted by someone else, somewhere else, seriously enough to be able to discern and stand for our own judgement .

It has to be. Not everyone has big name in science like for example, Stanton Friedman .
It does not mean that you can't share the same IQ and level of understanding or better knowledge of things and no one has right to ask you to 'prove yourself' via internet forum. It's not valid way of examination .

Follow your logic. If you can not follow logic and fail in that way, too many times , for me personally, I think you may be bit slow and I don't mind.

Here, Jim ..has posed a question in the title of this thread . Unless he meant to be sarcastic and ridiculous which I don't think it's the case,
it's a question. It does not prove or show he has any extra knowledge, or extra abilities that others here do not have, it simply shows he/she needs to talk about it , asks for opinions and that's alright .

Bill is being very supportive to many people but can not answer to all that either or engage with everyone .

And so it is. No matter what, this is life. Be prepared to stand for yourself under all possible circumstances as if it was for real .

If some come here to play and doubt , and ask questions because its entertaining while others have knowledge and problems to solve it does not always fit in well, and it's often difficult to recognize who is who.

Clear . If Jim asks 'when will they land ' , I'm telling you 'not any soon'. Be calmed about it.


If there was no one who ever gave me the trust in life over real matters, I could have hardly be trusted any bigger truth than the proverbial 'grain of salt' .

Till now, even though Bill still does not trust than what I know is bigger than that,

I'm here , watching over his friends like ..Jim.. , no that's funny statement of course, here to see friends .


It's a great lesson on lowering my self esteem and all else, just because .. I don't know any better at the moment . But in gist, I really do love the place Bill is creating here daily . If I have enough of you, you have probably enough of me . And can take holidays just anytime. No pay leave , like in the US, ain't it great..

Wish they had that E-meter attached to this laptop device so it could show where I speak seriously and where I make fun and what fun and if I'm good being.
It would, hopefully help all those people trained on E-meters and generally, show who speaks truth and what level . It would turn everything bit more honest and it would suit some of us well .
And when we make fun, it would show rainbow colours and when we cry, it would turn blue . Technical department anybody ?

Till then , it's all poor guesses .. and yesterdays news



:hat:

[Bill Ryan]

Another practical solution: Why not put any member that irritates you on INVISIBLE? Or, do you consider yourself to be some kind of Freedom Fighter rallying against Big Brother on behalf of those who you consider need a heroic spokesperson? [I](Apologies: needed to be said. Please go back to


Hey Bill,

Well...Are you really suggesting that if we disagree with something, if we believe something is wrong, we should just ignore it and go take care of our own business?

Sorry, my friend, but this simply doesn't sound like you.

I have no formed opinion (yet) about this Blufire X Jim issue, which might as well have been gradually turned into something strictly personal, but this advice of yours doesn't seem compatible with your usual line of thought.

What's wrong?

Raf.


Hi, Raf -- if a post seems abusive, offensive, or in some other way unacceptable, this is what the 'Report Post' button is for. (For new members: that's the http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/buttons/report-40b.png icon near the bottom left of any post.)

In this case, it is personal, and blufire's post did not belong on Jim's thread. My point was that if you were going out to dinner with your wife, you would not choose to go to a restaurant you didn't like just so you could complain! :)

You would surely IGNORE the restaurants in town whose food, style, service, music, decor or patronage didn't suit your preferences. So easy to do.

:focus: <--- please!

[Christine]

Hey Raf,

It wasn't an across the board generalized statement... it was to blufire who has invested a lot of energy in countering jiminii. It was a suggestion. It gets really tiring back scene to always have to be moderating the same thing over and over.

I think we are all aware enough (most of the time) to see the intent behind any line of questioning, we can see whether it comes from a desire to know or from a desire to discredit.

Just for your information, I am only jumping in here to take some slack for Bill. It isn't the best use of his time, nor mine, nor anyone on the mod team to field personal issues between Avalon's members. We are grown ups now.

As Bill said, it's a big, big forum. And it is a big, big world with room for us all, so why do we get stuck on being nit picky about a person's personal point of view. You want to understand someone, get in contact with them personally without prejudice and then you will see them to their core. This is where we are need to set our sight ... of that I am sure.

Love you brother,
Christine




Another practical solution: Why not put any member that irritates you on INVISIBLE? Or, do you consider yourself to be some kind of Freedom Fighter rallying against Big Brother on behalf of those who you consider need a heroic spokesperson? [I](Apologies: needed to be said. Please go back to


Hey Bill,

Well...Are you really suggesting that if we disagree with something, if we believe something is wrong, we should just ignore it and go take care of our own business?

Sorry, my friend, but this simply doesn't sound like you.

I have no formed opinion (yet) about this Blufire X Jim issue, which might as well have been gradually turned into something strictly personal, but this advice of yours doesn't seem compatible with your usual line of thought.

What's wrong?

Raf,

[johnf]

I have glanced at this thread here and there , and started reading just now a few posts above,
went back carefully read the opening post.
The last few months I seen seen topics move into belief system fights over and over.
I personally don't think a landing is pertinent to the solution of our problems.
It seems by observation of THIS phenomenon (this infighting over ideas), I can tell we aren't ready for the solution to show up yet.
I can actually observe that phenomenon, and loosely track it over the number of years I have been on this forum.
The story of Jimini's is useful to me although I have never experienced anything that drastic happening.
But I have experienced time slow down in times of physical danger, and I there is no way to scientifically test that.

These things can never be proven, and maybe don't need to be.
I am here on my own learning journey, and hopefully by sharing my experiences of them, and my partial understanding of them
someone else will have a light go on.
I have had many lights turned on by participating here and CONSIDERING the experiences of others.
Science even in it's present form is confined to things that can be somehow be objectively proven.
That makes it too limited to, by itself, solve many of the enormous problems that mankind is presently facing ,because, most of those things are there because certain groups have learned to scream more convincingly than others and those groups are usually very materialistically motivated.

When i feel anger or compulsion to counter something I read here, I do my best to pause and try to find out what in me is threatened by these words on a page.
I sometimes feel like I have been insulted, or screamed at by another because I read some words on a page.
The reality of that attack can only be coming from my own thoughts, and emotions, and under the right conditions can be used to uncover some attachment I have made that no longer serves me.

I have seen over and over in my life that my convictions can kill me, so this becomes a very important issue to me as I read anything on this forum or anywhere on the net.
Do I need convictions to survive?
If I did not have any would I not be more free to see what was really going on around me and more likely to act in am inner that would produce
better outcomes for all involved.

jf

[Sierra]

Wish I could thank you thrice Johnf. :)

Sierra

[christian]

Are you really suggesting that if we disagree with something, if we believe something is wrong, we should just ignore it and go take care of our own business?

Many of the moderators have posted about or in response to jiminii, making it very clear that we appreciate his presence and a lot of his input but also disagree with some things he says. He can certainly improve his communication in general to avoid misunderstandings, there´s a lot of room for that. We wanna bring out the best in everybody who we believe is genuinely out to help and empower people, in that sense we support jiminii just as we support you and everybody here, at least that´s what we wanna live up to.

Now when somebody is turning on him again and again nevertheless, this is just not expedient, then the best option is really just stay away from jiminii or whomever on the forum and maybe put him or her on your ignore list.

[RMorgan]

You would surely IGNORE the restaurants in town whose food, style, service, music, decor or patronage didn't suit your preferences. So easy to do.

:focus: <--- please!

Not when you believe such restaurant might be responsible for poisoning people. If this is the case, if one is aware of it, he's got the ethical obligation to do whatever may be in his power to stop it.

Dinning with the wife and watching people behaving like they are under some kind of spell, to the point of seeing notoriously rational and balanced people taking a simple story for granted and calling it evidence (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63990-When-Will-They-Land&p=740220&viewfull=1#post740220), is another thing.

Anyway, I apologize if I have caused any inconveniences for whatever game you might be playing, voluntarily or not. I really do.

I just ask you one thing, Bill, in the name of the immense respect and admiration I feel for you: Take on night, just one night, and think deeply about whats's going on "here". Do this for me, if it's not asking to much.

All the best, my friend, from the bottom of my heart.

Raf.

[Sierra]

Hey Bill,

Well...Are you really suggesting that if we disagree with something, if we believe something is wrong, we should just ignore it and go take care of our own business?

Sorry, my friend, but this simply doesn't sound like you.

I have no formed opinion (yet) about this Blufire X Jim issue, which might as well have been gradually turned into something strictly personal, but this advice of yours doesn't seem compatible with your usual line of thought.

What's wrong?

Raf,

This doesn't sound like you at all Rafe. I have never seen you pretend to not know what's "wrong" in order to take a dig at someone, to practice covert hostility. You are an intelligent man, and of course you know what's wrong.

Avalon is shifting from words to action, forming teams to meditate for healing to the planet, learn how ALL members effect change, share their experience... it is true dog in the manger attitude, ensured by certain members that we are spending way too much time moderating hostile games. Or. Maybe that is the problem, someone does not like the direction the forum is taking.

Might be doing something right. :)

Open mind, open mind, open mind...

Or at least do not waste the energy of others who want to save the planet we are standing on.

Hi Fred. I see you are reading this thread. :wave:

:focus: I have no proof of course, but I applied what Jimini taught me about handling earthquakes, to chemtrails. Haven't seen a chemtrail since, it has been months, so good enough in my book, I will continue to listen to what he has to say.

And I don't like it, and I suspect most members don't like it when we have to wade through energy draining hostility to do so.

If you do not have a brain that can switch from left to right mode, you will never "get" what Jimini is saying. Pure right brain, quantum shifting, fluid reality, where you have to build an infrastructure of intent, holding certain qualities with all your heart and mind while you do the work and toss away when done, right Jimini?

Right.

And yes, even for right brain mode, it is frustratingly difficult to understand what words cannot express... But I find if I let go of the frustration, and flow with his words, some pretty left brained, hard nosed, logical to both heart and mind instructions on how to do it, comes through the static.

Just my experiential .02

Sierra

[SilentFeathers]

IMO this thread seems to be some type of trap with a false floor to ensnare consciousness or to draw people in. I felt it when the OP was first posted when I read it that same day.

I initially thought; "why even start a thread out this way?"

The title says it all I suppose...........

PS: I was somewhat avoiding posting in this thread due to it's vibe until I seen a certain cycle of history on this forum begin to repeat itself.....

[gripreaper]

What would you do if you were me? jim

Since that thread is closed for comment, I'll post this here. I'd go for a long walk, making sure it was aerobic, that the heat generated and the sweat brought me to full detox, and I would let my mind wander and chatter as much as it wanted.

I would tell my mind that, once we are done with this aerobic exercise, it is to shut up while I go into delta state and commune with my spirit.

But first, I'd make sure I was grounded. I would go take a nice hot soak in a steam room, sit in the hot tub for an hour, then go get me a big juicy steak with a side of potatoes and the most expensive bottle of wine I could find. Afterwards, I would go get laid.

Then, once I was reasonably sure I was grounded and not running around in my head trying to collate discrepant information, and I found myself in the emptiness of all that is, I would DO NOTHING.

Absolutely nothing, and be at peace with nothing.

That's what I would do.

[Freed Fox]

Avalon is shifting from words to action[...]

This may be what is at the heart of the concerns some are having about all of this, and why they can't be content to simply look the other way when certain things are picking up momentum (or, at least, plenty of attention).

And I believe it is a gross oversimplification to suggest that left-brained individuals simply cannot 'get' the message.

I cannot speak for Raf or blufire (or anybody else, really). However, I would like to believe that if there are real actions emerging from the intentions being put forth by those of us here, that these same actions and intentions are truly coming from a wise, compassionate, and well-informed place. I mean absolutely no offense to Jim when I say this, but I don't believe I'm alone in thinking he might not be the best candidate for such a position. That really should not be taken as a personal attack on him, because such a set of shoes would be incredibly hard to fill.

Yet, let's take this quote from Christine (who, by the way, would be one of a few who would get my vote);



ALL BEINGS ARE CONSCIOUSNESS.... and as such can accept love, peace and expansion. The reptilians are a varied race, as are we humans. There is a royal race of reptilians that have the appearance of crocodiles. I have met one of them protecting one of earth's human angels, another friend of the highest order.


The above was posted on one of Jimini's threads. An excellent point, in my opinion, and one that truly resonates with me. At the very least, it makes as much sense as all the other rhetoric on these matters. Yet, Jim never seemed to openly acknowledge it or address it. It may seem of lesser importance to some than the more immediate concerns of the human race, but if reptilians are real, then they deserve just as much consideration as the birds and the bees, and even we ourselves (the human family is not without many a blemish upon its historic track record... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, right?).

Well, Jim's methods might be working out for hurricanes and chemtrails, but when it comes to matters like this?

We might be oppressed right now, but let's not become the oppressors in the future.



P.S.; I hope you're wrong, SilentFeathers, about certain histories repeating themselves here...

[SilentFeathers]

P.S.; I hope you're wrong, SilentFeathers, about certain histories repeating themselves here.

I trust my intuition and also recognize certain patterns and or cycles........

[Sierra]

Avalon is shifting from words to action[...]

This may be what is at the heart of the concerns some are having about all of this, and why they can't be content to simply look the other way when certain things are picking up momentum (or, at least, plenty of attention).

I cannot speak for Raf or blufire (or anybody else, really). However, I would like to believe that if there are real actions emerging from the intentions being put forth by those of us here, that these same actions and intentions are truly coming from a wise, compassionate, and well-informed place. I mean absolutely no offense to Jim when I say this, but I don't believe I'm alone in thinking he might not be the best candidate for such a position. That really should not be taken as a personal attack on him, because such a set of shoes would be incredibly hard to fill.

Yet, let's take this quote from Christine (who, by the way, would be one of a few who would get my vote);



ALL BEINGS ARE CONSCIOUSNESS.... and as such can accept love, peace and expansion. The reptilians are a varied race, as are we humans. There is a royal race of reptilians that have the appearance of crocodiles. I have met one of them protecting one of earth's human angels, another friend of the highest order.


The above was posted on one of Jimini's threads. An excellent point, in my opinion, and one that truly resonates with me. At the very least, it makes as much sense as all the other rhetoric on these matters. Yet, Jim never seemed to openly acknowledge it or address it. It may seem of lesser importance to some than the more immediate concerns of the human race, but if reptilians are real, then they deserve just as much consideration as the birds and the bees, and even we ourselves (the human family is not without many a blemish upon its historic track record). Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, right?

Well, Jim's methods might be working out for hurricanes and chemtrails, but when it comes to matters like this?

We might be oppressed right now, but let's not become the oppressors in the future.



P.S.; I hope you're wrong, SilentFeathers, about certain histories repeating themselves here.

Christine has my vote too. :)

As I have learned from Jimini, hopefully Jimini can learn from, oh say, Christine. :).

As the Admiral told Bill, the PTB are terrified of the chaos that will ensue when we realize how powerful we are. I have no answers for you but what I/we are practicing in a women's healing circle I belong to, everything with love. Strange results occur, we see entities switching sides to bask in love, and become fierce protectors. :)

And if we make mistakes, we pick ourselves up, do a postmortem, attempt to see what would have worked better. Keep on trucking.

History does tend to repeat itself, and these days with time speeding up, it seems to repeat faster and faster.

I'd rather be on a team that makes mistakes, learns from their mistakes, teaches from their mistakes, than a team that sits back, and tries to drag every one else down.

Baying hounds is not the Avalon way.

Sierra

[Carmody]

I never bothered to talk about it, but...Hurricane Sandy.

I held it as long as I could, but I was passing out. I could not keep it running up the coast any longer and I thought the danger had passed. I was visualizing it moving up the seaboard, to eastern Canada, and out to the north Atlantic.

I went to sleep.

From the moment I went to sleep, it changed direction and went right into NY, like it was on a combination of rails and like an arrow. You could literally draw a line on the map. It just turned sharp, and went straight in.

(IIRC, it was on a ley line, one known for abductions, and encounters, as well) (meaning, multiple connections, multiple forms of an answer as to the why of the sharp turn and the ruler straight travel)

When one plays with this stuff, there is a price.

I'm making this post here, as I think it is connected. We'll never see any of this, as an idea or a reality, come to fruition until it is, uhm..no longer a big problem.

Humanity cannot unite against a common threat. Aliens must not be seen as a unifying force, for all the wrong reasons.

One has to recognize who and what they are (self), before such an encounter can take place. One has to stand up for themselves and be in the actual act of it, before such an encounter may take place. A friend can walk with you, so to speak, but the friend is not your parent, an enemy, a force, a antagonist, nor an ox you can ride.

A friend will walk with you, never FOR you. You have to begin the actual act of ending your weaknesses on your own, beforehand.

[Christine]

Thank you Freed Fox...

I appreciate your vote of support and resonance.

The rest of this post will not be in direct response to Freed Fox but to others out there who are doubting the integrity of Avalon.

So let me ask a few questions. Who divides? Who divides us? It isn't Jiminii, it isn't blufire, it isn't anyone is it? It is the direct manipulation of an unseen dark hand. Call it what you will.

Why is it unseen? Why is it unseen? Because it is EGO... our little egos being manipulated to believe that the enemy lies outside ourselves. The MINUTE you point your finger at another you are playing into it's hand. PERIOD.

NOW LET ME SAY THIS VERY CLEARLY... WE ARE ALL SUBJECT TO THIS FORCE AND IF YOU THINK YOU ARE FREE THEN YOU WOULD NEVER SERVE TO DISEMPOWER ANOTHER.

RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU MUST IN YOURSELVES FIRST....

YOU KNOW I AM JUST TOO TIRED TO WRITE ANYMORE. BUT LETS REALIZE THAT IF WE ARE EVER TO GET OFF THE CYCLES THAT REPEAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN - NOT JUST ON THE FORUM BUT ON OUR PLANET WE HAVE TO FIND ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY.

COMPASSION! And this compassion must include ALL LIFE, even the most bereft of life itself. In the end NO one is left out. So come back to yourselves.. realize please that we are all still in this boat together.

There is a DEATH CULT working our earth into dust! DEAD, get it? You really think our time is well spent on trying to discredit one member of Avalon? Really?

IF YOU WANT TO CRUCIFY SOMEONE GO FOR IT! REALLY BRING IT ON! DON'T HOLD BACK. NO MORE GAMES PEOPLE.

PLEASE.

HERE I'LL STAND HERE AND TAKE YOUR SLINGS, YOUR MUD, YOUR INNUENDOES. I WILL DO THAT FOR JIMINII AND I WILL DO THAT FOR YOU. GET IT!!!

GET IT! Grow up and take personal responsibility. Pull yourselves up from your boot straps and get REAL.


That's all folks...




Avalon is shifting from words to action[...]

This may be what is at the heart of the concerns some are having about all of this, and why they can't be content to simply look the other way when certain things are picking up momentum (or, at least, plenty of attention).

And I believe it is a gross oversimplification to suggest that left-brained individuals simply cannot 'get' the message.

I cannot speak for Raf or blufire (or anybody else, really). However, I would like to believe that if there are real actions emerging from the intentions being put forth by those of us here, that these same actions and intentions are truly coming from a wise, compassionate, and well-informed place. I mean absolutely no offense to Jim when I say this, but I don't believe I'm alone in thinking he might not be the best candidate for such a position. That really should not be taken as a personal attack on him, because such a set of shoes would be incredibly hard to fill.

Yet, let's take this quote from Christine (who, by the way, would be one of a few who would get my vote);



ALL BEINGS ARE CONSCIOUSNESS.... and as such can accept love, peace and expansion. The reptilians are a varied race, as are we humans. There is a royal race of reptilians that have the appearance of crocodiles. I have met one of them protecting one of earth's human angels, another friend of the highest order.


The above was posted on one of Jimini's threads. An excellent point, in my opinion, and one that truly resonates with me. At the very least, it makes as much sense as all the other rhetoric on these matters. Yet, Jim never seemed to openly acknowledge it or address it. It may seem of lesser importance to some than the more immediate concerns of the human race, but if reptilians are real, then they deserve just as much consideration as the birds and the bees, and even we ourselves (the human family is not without many a blemish upon its historic track record... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, right?).

Well, Jim's methods might be working out for hurricanes and chemtrails, but when it comes to matters like this?

We might be oppressed right now, but let's not become the oppressors in the future.



P.S.; I hope you're wrong, SilentFeathers, about certain histories repeating themselves here...

[Freed Fox]

I don't think I've ever seen you so wound up Christine, I hope I didn't contribute to that... ;)

Anyway, I know you stated that it wasn't directed at me specifically, but for what it's worth; I do think that an abuse or misuse of power warrants some temporary disempowerment, until errors in judgement, perception, prejudice, or what-have-you are corrected and one has become rehabilitated to wield their power appropriately (and again the key word; compassionately!).

I hope that doesn't come across as too nit-picky, as I appreciate the greater message you were conveying there.

By the same token, though, I also appreciate those concerns and criticisms which have arisen not from the ego necessarily, but from what I pointed to in my previous post (or similarly generated considerations). That these are at the root of some aspects of the conflict in the first place might be a misinterpretation on my part...again, I can't speak for others here, or their intentions.

[SilentFeathers]

That's all folks... nite nite :)

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this ones even better!

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[Christine]

Freed Fox...

No, it had nothing to do with you other than seeing your fine soul speak so eloquently and being frustrated by the attitudes of others who should know better.

And I meant every word I said.. it isn't about ego or self aggrandizement, it comes from truly understanding how what happens to one of us happens to all of us. It tears one apart inside to see this happening here. We are on the verge of something really terrible or something really awesome. So bickering about someone like jiminii with all his faults, bless him, makes me think he really did come here to teach us something.

My love and respect are intact. You see the unseen hand is wicked.. it plays us where we don't see it. The subtleties are very hard to detect when they are using you.

So my apologies now.. and thanks to everyone who would allow another a very human moment.

Now I am saying good night.



I don't think I've ever seen you so wound up Christine, I hope I didn't contribute to that... ;)

Anyway, I know you stated it wasn't directed to me specifically, but for what it's worth; I do think that an abuse or misuse of power warrants temporary disempowerment, until errors in judgement, perception, prejudice, or what-have-you are corrected and one has become rehabilitated.

I hope that doesn't come across as too nit-picky, as I appreciate the greater message you were conveying there.

By the same token, though, I also appreciate those concerns and criticisms which have arisen not from the ego necessarily, but from what I pointed to in my previous post (or similarly generated considerations). That these are at the root of some aspects of the conflict in the first place might be a misinterpretation on my part...again, I can't speak for others here, or their intentions.

[johnf]

That's all folks... nite nite :)



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did you two just unofficially close this thread? LOL

jf

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I think we made have brought a few things out of the closet and looked them here, and
got something done.
I related to the comment about being worked up.
I don't post like I did earlier very often.

jf

[Kalamos]

My head is spinning from this thread. I really don't know who or what to believe, and that's bad, as I feel others feel the same way.

I'll just add my two cents, for what it's worth.

If you guys really do wield some powers over nature consider that you are not acting alone, but that you have soul mates, or soul groups out 'there' and not necessarily here on Avalon (but perchance there may be twins and triplets here, I don't know).

We might be a Collective BEING, but also parts of it, and greater and smaller parts according to degrees. Apparently some people here might be gifted or have been trained, or had been trained in past lives to control things, and be invincible to degrees ... maybe ... if I am to believe the many here and their claims.

But again, 'you are not alone' ... it may be that when you act, your twins are acting somewhere else. If you know your twins, you know your'Self' and that's perfect.

Lastly. We also may have polar opposite twins. Not so good if you're good, to mingle with them.

God bless, and I hope we all get some rest (soon enough).

edit: more ... I hope I don't add too much confusion to confusion, but we have to consider manipulation here very real. If there is a 'Dark Hand', it's hacker and a trickster.

My intuitions tell me that there will be no terrible great apocalypse anytime soon, but that the manipulators Left and Right are working together, and have been all along. It could just be a game, as it's said many times by some wise people, "Life is a Game."

To win, you choose a side and go all out, individually for your team. But that game is predetermined. Go all out for your side during your time in the game.

Choose the Right side.

[jiminii]

an oil driller drove a 16 pound sledge hammer through my head after he missed a hammer wrench I was holding. I could feel my whole head split open while saying "is my head still here, is my head still here, ... is my head still here.????" then in an instant the head was back

When i was 8 I got hit by a car in front of a pub, many people saw it, the car was a right off, the whole front was caved in, I came out with a bruise on my knee and a bump on my head, nothing serious, needless to say they did some tests on me after this.:(

I could give you many examples of 'illogical' incidents after this, but this is not illogical to anyone with even a superficial knowledge of quantum physics would realize this is totally within the realms of possibility.

the space of a spirit being is so strong even metal can not penetrate it. The rambo's in vietnam who never die are those that don't believe they will die and they set up a space that bullets can't enter and just go around and the bombs that blow up against them just bounce off. People get in TOTAL WRECKS and the car is completely demolished and the person only gets scratches because the space is so strong the metal just raps around them. The girl in Brazil who fell 10,000 feet from the airplane being struck by lightning and was the only survivor and none of this can be explained. You can literally have a wreck and rip a person's head right off him and if there was an out of body spirit there who could guide the spirit that just left the body and ask them, "do you you want to keep this body?" and if the person still wanted to live he would say, "yes" and you can tell that spirit, "ok just put the body back together." and the spirit KNOWS HOW TO DO IT.

Why do you people make this PHYSICAL UNIVERSE SO SERIOUS. No wonder you can't get rid of all the fear and terror that those cabal can put out. You just haven't seen how powerful thoughts are.

My Brother in law had to take a film of these philippino healers in San Francisco to take the film to court and prove if this way of healing was justified.

The philippino placed his hands on the belly and then stuck his hands inside and took something out and then moved his hands over the belly again and there was NO SCAR.

it is on film and they would not allow this healing in the USA because it Terrifies people who HAVE NO CONTROL and are just completely afraid of the unknown, These philippino doctors had to go to Mexico to do their healing,

I can see how terrified people on this thread get over something that is sooooooo soooooooo soooooo simple if you were out of the body and could remember when you could create life forms OUT OF NOTHING.

if you EVER WANT TO GET OUT OF THE TRAP AND FREE YOURSELF YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONFRONT LIFE IN IT"S FULLEST. Yes we have been implanted with the most hideous garbage and frightening things in the universe to convince us that POWER IS EVIL so that we will NEVER FREE OURSELVES.

If you can't see that then how do you expect to ever get free. You believed this dogma and some heaven and hell that is NOT THERE and was betrayed by it. And the truth is this YOU WILL NEVER KNOW UNTIL YOU DIE but then it is too late right?? ,. YOU GET TRICKED BACK INTO THE IMPLANT STATIONS AND FLOODED FULL OF LIES AND FEARS AND IT IS VERY MUCH LIKE A HYPNOTISTS WHO TOLD YOU YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR DAUGHTER and he comes out of the trance and is LOOKING RIGHT THROUGH HIS DAUGHTER AND CAN SEE THE WATCH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HIS DAUGHTER but CAN NOT SEE HIS DAUGHTER WHO IS BETWEEN HIM AND THE HYPNOTISTS WITH THE WATCH.

You want to be free of this world then the first thing to free yourself from is your own fears of this physical universe. At one time you could make LIONS AND TIGERS OUT OF NOTHING and now you can be EATEN BY THEM.

it is ONLY YOUR THOUGHTS THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE, THAT IS ALL,

believe what you want but believing ALONE will not get you free, You can not escape the force fields around the planet WITHOUT SOME KIND OF BUDDHIST POWER.

but that is not true anymore

the force fields have been removed so you can go home. WHAT WILL YOU SEE IF YOU GO HOME?

You will see the exact same MODEL that is on this planet with the same BANKERS and same CABAL in the stars and a MUCH WORSE condition than is on this planet.

NO HEAVEN TO GO TO OR HELL. this place is like disneyland compared to where you came from. You should ENJOY THIS SHORT VACATION WHILE YOU HAVE IT.

but if it was me, I would be busy trying to get my NATIVE powers back THAT YOU CAN DO HERE BUT NOT IN THE STARS, SO THAT WHEN YOU DO FREE YOURSELF AND HAVE YOUR MEMORIES AND POWERS RETURNED, NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO TRAP YOU AGAIN.

jim

[Flash]

clear enough this time Jim. Really clear, this should make the bickering stop.

I do think that what is happening on earth at the present time is happening on the forum too. If here is a split from self serving and service to others, we will se it on Avalon too. In fact, looking at the forum on a meta position gives a very good hint at what is happening on the planet, with the cabal and the sheeple, and what are the tendencies for the futur.

We are playing the game too. How are we going to succeed? We may be planting/creating the 100th monkey right here, right now, on Avalon. Will it show bickering? Will it show creative powers and love?.

[jiminii]

What would you do if you were me? jim

Since that thread is closed for comment, I'll post this here. I'd go for a long walk, making sure it was aerobic, that the heat generated and the sweat brought me to full detox, and I would let my mind wander and chatter as much as it wanted.

I would tell my mind that, once we are done with this aerobic exercise, it is to shut up while I go into delta state and commune with my spirit.

But first, I'd make sure I was grounded. I would go take a nice hot soak in a steam room, sit in the hot tub for an hour, then go get me a big juicy steak with a side of potatoes and the most expensive bottle of wine I could find. Afterwards, I would go get laid.

Then, once I was reasonably sure I was grounded and not running around in my head trying to collate discrepant information, and I found myself in the emptiness of all that is, I would DO NOTHING.

Absolutely nothing, and be at peace with nothing.

That's what I would do.

the thread was pulled because it sounded like I was seeking advice that the people in the forum would just get confused with. I was just putting picture of a situation of this, "if a person came from somewhere to heal this planet, could be anywhere, the future, other systems, whatever, then what would he find? So how would he be able to reach anyone if they were in some kind of amnesia and couldn't remember where they came from or what the planet is being used for, or who they are and who put them here and where do they go when they die."

so Bill and the mods felt I was trying to get others to answer these questions. I wasn't. I was just putting a scenario up and asking people what you would do if you became aware of your mission and you had to deal with a planet where everyone is asleep practically speaking. Bill said we can always bring the thread back but he felt for now just don't go there.

jim

[jiminii]

Avalon is shifting from words to action[...]

This may be what is at the heart of the concerns some are having about all of this, and why they can't be content to simply look the other way when certain things are picking up momentum (or, at least, plenty of attention).

And I believe it is a gross oversimplification to suggest that left-brained individuals simply cannot 'get' the message.

I cannot speak for Raf or blufire (or anybody else, really). However, I would like to believe that if there are real actions emerging from the intentions being put forth by those of us here, that these same actions and intentions are truly coming from a wise, compassionate, and well-informed place. I mean absolutely no offense to Jim when I say this, but I don't believe I'm alone in thinking he might not be the best candidate for such a position. That really should not be taken as a personal attack on him, because such a set of shoes would be incredibly hard to fill.

Yet, let's take this quote from Christine (who, by the way, would be one of a few who would get my vote);



ALL BEINGS ARE CONSCIOUSNESS.... and as such can accept love, peace and expansion. The reptilians are a varied race, as are we humans. There is a royal race of reptilians that have the appearance of crocodiles. I have met one of them protecting one of earth's human angels, another friend of the highest order.


The above was posted on one of Jimini's threads. An excellent point, in my opinion, and one that truly resonates with me. At the very least, it makes as much sense as all the other rhetoric on these matters. Yet, Jim never seemed to openly acknowledge it or address it. It may seem of lesser importance to some than the more immediate concerns of the human race, but if reptilians are real, then they deserve just as much consideration as the birds and the bees, and even we ourselves (the human family is not without many a blemish upon its historic track record... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, right?).

Well, Jim's methods might be working out for hurricanes and chemtrails, but when it comes to matters like this?

We might be oppressed right now, but let's not become the oppressors in the future.



P.S.; I hope you're wrong, SilentFeathers, about certain histories repeating themselves here...

you haven't read all my threads because if you had you would have read that I said, "everyone has to be healed even the worst" but we have found in Free Zone that the worst will refuse to be salvaged because to admit they are wrong would make them terribly sick. So those we can change we will but those we can't we just wait until they are destimulated enough by us raising the frequency of the planet and bringing more love into the space that WILL eventually give them enough faith that they would not be afraid to be corrected.

jim

[skippy]

As many have said here, the dichotomy of left and right brain people is not very helpful. We all have a left and a right brain part. It's not a binairy problem. An infinite "third" is needed to transcend the dilemma. In order to move forward boft left and right brain are needed for discerment, for choosing direction. Spirituality and science, faith and facts.

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[jiminii]

IMO this thread seems to be some type of trap with a false floor to ensnare consciousness or to draw people in. I felt it when the OP was first posted when I read it that same day.

I initially thought; "why even start a thread out this way?"

The title says it all I suppose...........

PS: I was somewhat avoiding posting in this thread due to it's vibe until I seen a certain cycle of history on this forum begin to repeat itself.....

well I admit I have been in a completely different world where we say things different and beyond that in asia I don't have to talk technical anything because I am just teaching english.

but I give you an example

2d

this comes from Second Dynamic in Scienology and Free Zone.

second dynamic means survival through sex or family

now we might say stuff like this, "I am having trouble with my 2d"

this means I am having trouble with my girlfriend or my wife

another one is ... "he has a lot of theta"

Theta is source where all things come from and if you have a lot of theta maybe you would be able to heal people or create objects out of nothing

there are known cases where a person had dentures and when the person who got in session about that part of his body suddenly finds a whole new set of teeth and doesn't need the dentures anymore and this has happened

so if someone has a lot of theta you might think he is very positive thinking person

jim

[jiminii]

I have glanced at this thread here and there , and started reading just now a few posts above,
went back carefully read the opening post.
The last few months I seen seen topics move into belief system fights over and over.
I personally don't think a landing is pertinent to the solution of our problems.
It seems by observation of THIS phenomenon (this infighting over ideas), I can tell we aren't ready for the solution to show up yet.
I can actually observe that phenomenon, and loosely track it over the number of years I have been on this forum.
The story of Jimini's is useful to me although I have never experienced anything that drastic happening.
But I have experienced time slow down in times of physical danger, and I there is no way to scientifically test that.

These things can never be proven, and maybe don't need to be.
I am here on my own learning journey, and hopefully by sharing my experiences of them, and my partial understanding of them
someone else will have a light go on.
I have had many lights turned on by participating here and CONSIDERING the experiences of others.
Science even in it's present form is confined to things that can be somehow be objectively proven.
That makes it too limited to, by itself, solve many of the enormous problems that mankind is presently facing ,because, most of those things are there because certain groups have learned to scream more convincingly than others and those groups are usually very materialistically motivated.

When i feel anger or compulsion to counter something I read here, I do my best to pause and try to find out what in me is threatened by these words on a page.
I sometimes feel like I have been insulted, or screamed at by another because I read some words on a page.
The reality of that attack can only be coming from my own thoughts, and emotions, and under the right conditions can be used to uncover some attachment I have made that no longer serves me.

I have seen over and over in my life that my convictions can kill me, so this becomes a very important issue to me as I read anything on this forum or anywhere on the net.
Do I need convictions to survive?
If I did not have any would I not be more free to see what was really going on around me and more likely to act in am inner that would produce
better outcomes for all involved.

jf

WOW you just made me see something johnf when that sledge hammer hit my head I did turn around so none of them could see me and it was like I literally slowed time down to a stop while I was trying to put the head back together because when the head appeared again and I KNEW it was there the sound and motion of the physical universe came back to me. It was as if I stepped out of time for that moment to repair the damage and then came back into it when it was done and then turned and motion was returned and the entire crew seemed to be either shocked or waking up in that moment.

The blood was ALL DRIED. It shouldn't have been DRIED that quickly as I was only there what seemed a minute or so.

Weird

jim

[jiminii]

Flash . . .I am not wanting to push Jim to the side in any way,

I am trying to give him a platform from which he can be more effective for himself and the forum.

If there are a large portion of members who cannot understand what he is saying because he needs help in clarifying and editing his threads and posts then I feel him receiving that help and a group that could maximize his potential could be a positive solution.

Jim is very different (my opinion) than almost any other member I have seen on Camelot or Avalon. I for one cannot find any footing when trying to read his threads and posts and I’m a pretty darn smart gal.

An example is his above post on being hit in the head with a 16 pound sledge hammer. By all rights and logic such an impact would have killed him instantly and totally crushed his skull. So I do not understand that post in any way . . .is he saying he’s immortal, is he saying he bi-located in and out so he was not injured, was he saying that was one of his other bodies or timelines or future or past event . . . . .???? I have absolutely no flippn’ clue what the hell he means by that post . . . . none.

By the way I am very dyslexic and have struggled with it all my life.

Yes it looks like I have died several times in this lifetime. One when a child and being starved to death from some doctor trying to find out my allergies.

later in life I found a chiropractor who could look down bodies and see all the bones out of place and suddenly says, "who broke your nose and didn't reset it right .... you got hay fever don't you?" amazing and he asked me if I want to break it again so it can be fixed but me...... I would rather not feel the pain.

next time 1966 I am in Lancaster California and all the roads are a mile apart. so I am doing 65 and a corvette is doing 90 and he runs the stop sign. that is the only 3 days of my live I can't remember only vaguely. The doctor releases me in a few hours saying miraculous recovery only to find me in an ambulance going to Los Angeles 125 miles away with spinal mengitis that can kill you in less than 24 hours. I enter the hospital with the highest count of spinal mengitis ever to come in to the Los Angeles country hospital and 2 people in the room not near as bad as I was died that night. I am miraculously out in 30 days as the spinal count was going down in halves and the penicillin wouldn't take it down that fast.

then the oil rig thing so seems like central control just isn't going to let it happen until we finish this thing we gotta do.

jim

[SilentFeathers]

IMO this thread seems to be some type of trap with a false floor to ensnare consciousness or to draw people in. I felt it when the OP was first posted when I read it that same day.

I initially thought; "why even start a thread out this way?"

The title says it all I suppose...........

PS: I was somewhat avoiding posting in this thread due to it's vibe until I seen a certain cycle of history on this forum begin to repeat itself.....

the true situation of this planet is this. WE are salvaging it. IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE THAT, but as you can see most of the fear prophecies haven't happened. But we have to run out the fear. We can't just come in here and say, "WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE IT ALL NOW FOR YOU" because it doesn't work. People are stuck all over the universe in their memories back trillions of years and all of that must be discharged.

There is actual physical universe electrical charge in all these pictures they have recorded. It has literally BLOWN HOLES IN THE CANS the person is holding and melted all the wires and turned the entire E-meter into DUST.

that is vaguely an idea of how much charge is in some of the pictures. So we take it off a little at a time so the person doesn't blow holes in cans and turn e-meters into dust.

so we allow everyone to play their games. The cabal, the military, the government, all of it so all this charge can be removed and they will be able to get out of their little dramas and decide to fix the planet and help each other.

It is a slow process but it works.

does this make sense?

jim

My intuition speaks to me and tells me to not engage with you, but I will this one time....carefully.

Personally I don't see things quite like you do...and no, your not making a lot of sense to me with your perceptions, words, and or language that you are using.

I've noticed reading several of your posts over a period of time that perhaps you are a writer and are crafty with language....you have a great imagination: specializing in fiction. I do not say this to insult nor to disrespect you, I say this through my own personal observation and perception, right or wrong this is how you are coming across to me....and obviously a few others too on this forum.

Most people on this forum have their own perceptions as to who "they" are and also to who "we" are, ideas and beliefs vary and usually when threads are started as this one did speaking of "When will THEY land"?, there will be a bit of cross-fire between members due to degree of differing beliefs concerning who "they" are, etc.

IMO it is unwise to promote one's own specific belief's as truth to compel others to think a certain way due to how YOU see things; this is how things were, this is how things are, and this is how things will be (relating to THEY and US)....when the fact is no one really knows exactly what these truths are.

Stating something like this below also does not help, teach, or cause many to learn or understand things any better;


the true situation of this planet is this. WE are salvaging it. IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE THAT, but as you can see most of the fear prophecies haven't happened.

This totally doesn't make sense to me; I do not see this as a true situation.

My own personal conclusion, and perhaps judgment, is that you are confusing people, causing some to be suspicious of you and not trust in you, more than you are getting them to learn and or understand things from you. Perhaps that is why you seem to be creating a little friction here and there with some of the things you are posting/claiming.

You do seem to have the full support of the site owner and moderation team here so I would imagine you can just carry on with what your trying to accomplish here and keep doing what's working for you and a few others....it's just not working for me.

does this make sense?

[jiminii]

IMO this thread seems to be some type of trap with a false floor to ensnare consciousness or to draw people in. I felt it when the OP was first posted when I read it that same day.

I initially thought; "why even start a thread out this way?"

The title says it all I suppose...........

PS: I was somewhat avoiding posting in this thread due to it's vibe until I seen a certain cycle of history on this forum begin to repeat itself.....


jim

My intuition speaks to me and tells me to not engage with you, but I will this one time....carefully.

Personally I don't see things quite like you do...and no, your not making a lot of sense to me with your perceptions, words, and or language that you are using.

I've noticed reading several of your posts over a period of time that perhaps you are a writer and are crafty with language....you have a great imagination: specializing in fiction. I do not say this to insult nor to disrespect you, I say this through my own personal observation and perception, right or wrong this is how you are coming across to me....and obviously a few others too on this forum.

Most people on this forum have their own perceptions as to who "they" are and also to who "we" are, ideas and beliefs vary and usually when threads are started as this one did speaking of "When will THEY land"?, there will be a bit of cross-fire between members due to degree of differing beliefs concerning who "they" are, etc.

IMO it is unwise to promote one's own specific belief's as truth to compel others to think a certain way due to how YOU see things; this is how things were, this is how things are, and this is how things will be (relating to THEY and US)....when the fact is no one really knows exactly what these truths are.

Stating something like this below also does not help, teach, or cause many to learn or understand things any better;


the true situation of this planet is this. WE are salvaging it. IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE THAT, but as you can see most of the fear prophecies haven't happened.

This totally doesn't make sense to me; I do not see this as a true situation.

My own personal conclusion, and perhaps judgment, is that you are confusing people, causing some to be suspicious of you and not trust in you, more than you are getting them to learn and or understand things from you. Perhaps that is why you seem to be creating a little friction here and there with some of the things you are posting/claiming.

You do seem to have the full support of the site owner and moderation team here so I would imagine you can just carry on with what your trying to accomplish here and keep doing what's working for you and a few others....it's just not working for me.

does this make sense?

you're right I can see what your saying and i appreciate that you give me your viewpoint. A lot of that post has some of the tech in Free Zone so I can see where others will not understand it. Bill said I should be careful of this. so I will edit the post if you can also delete my part on this post that would prevent more confusion

thanks for your message

I will fix it.

jim

[SilentFeathers]

What was said was said by both of us, editing our posts would only cause MORE confusion.....

[jiminii]

IMO this thread seems to be some type of trap with a false floor to ensnare consciousness or to draw people in. I felt it when the OP was first posted when I read it that same day.

I initially thought; "why even start a thread out this way?"

The title says it all I suppose...........

PS: I was somewhat avoiding posting in this thread due to it's vibe until I seen a certain cycle of history on this forum begin to repeat itself.....

well I admit I have been in a completely different world where we say things different and beyond that in asia I don't have to talk technical anything because I am just teaching english.

but I give you an example

2d

this comes from Second Dynamic in Scienology and Free Zone.

second dynamic means survival through sex or family

now we might say stuff like this, "I am having trouble with my 2d"

this means I am having trouble with my girlfriend or my wife

another one is ... "he has a lot of theta"

Theta is source where all things come from and if you have a lot of theta maybe you would be able to heal people or create objects out of nothing

there are known cases where a person had dentures and when the person who got in session about that part of his body suddenly finds a whole new set of teeth and doesn't need the dentures anymore and this has happened

so if someone has a lot of theta you might think he is very positive thinking person

jim

silent feathers is this post better?

jim

[jiminii]

What was said was said by both of us, editing our posts would only cause MORE confusion.....

ok you have the original post so it is ok

jim

[Lettherebelight]

Thank you SilentFeathers for taking the time to post so comprehensively what a lot of others are thinking.

[jiminii]

What was said was said by both of us, editing our posts would only cause MORE confusion.....



the true situation of this planet is this. WE are salvaging it. IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE THAT, but as you can see most of the fear prophecies haven't happened.

what I mean by this is that in the last few years all these stories of Elenin and Planet X and fire balls from the sun didn't happen

it is because it is being protected by some very powerful entities. So IMHO I don't believe any of the future agenda that is put out by the fear merchants on this comet coming in or anything else will happen too because we have the power to prevent it.

maybe no one can believe this but if in the future you see this to be true than you can remember this post.

it is like the whales beached in japan is a HOAX and it is really whales that were beached in new zeland in 2010 ... the fear merchants are running out of lies so now they are inventing them

jim

[SilentFeathers]

IMO this thread seems to be some type of trap with a false floor to ensnare consciousness or to draw people in. I felt it when the OP was first posted when I read it that same day.

I initially thought; "why even start a thread out this way?"

The title says it all I suppose...........

PS: I was somewhat avoiding posting in this thread due to it's vibe until I seen a certain cycle of history on this forum begin to repeat itself.....

well I admit I have been in a completely different world where we say things different and beyond that in asia I don't have to talk technical anything because I am just teaching english.

but I give you an example

2d

this comes from Second Dynamic in Scienology and Free Zone.

second dynamic means survival through sex or family

now we might say stuff like this, "I am having trouble with my 2d"

this means I am having trouble with my girlfriend or my wife

another one is ... "he has a lot of theta"

Theta is source where all things come from and if you have a lot of theta maybe you would be able to heal people or create objects out of nothing

there are known cases where a person had dentures and when the person who got in session about that part of his body suddenly finds a whole new set of teeth and doesn't need the dentures anymore and this has happened

so if someone has a lot of theta you might think he is very positive thinking person

jim

silent feathers is this post better?

jim

are you serious? you completely changed it in to something else, a whole different direction....which makes even less sense and causes even more confusion.

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Raf (and all),

Quietly reading this thread and other ones where apparently something like a bone of contention is taking place. please excuse me for adding my thoughts as well, because there were so many times where I read your posts and simply felt that we share a safe logical ground together. You see, I am also practical in nature and I respect good old logic, even though I constantly find it is failing me in many things that happen in my life, nowdays. so seeing where you are coming from is quite easy for me. You are coming from the place of care. If you weren't, then it would be a lot easier for you to step aside and leave the threads where jiminii is sharing himself and his (unusual some would say) worldview and where others are finding interest in what he has to say.

I think I can see the position you are taking, You believe you are seeing something which you find concerning to you and you want to alert.. I personally thank you from the heart for that, it is loyalty to this place where we all spend quite a lot of time in , it is a loyalty to yourself and what you believe in and also loyalty to the mods and to Bill since apparently you (and maybe even others who are more reluctant to express themselves) may not understand why this wagon seems to be roaming far from the train tracks.

Well, I hope you will be able to hear me (and not only you, Raf), changes are happening and it is not yet evident to everyone. You are most familiar with that process yourself, being the extremely awake human beings that you are, a lot more then others. The world is changing before our eyes and together with it also our understanding about this 3D life that we thought we know, some have experiences that validate things for them, very different things from what we were taught to believe... If we do encounter those, then we tend to listen more attentively to others who share theirs, still filtering what needs to be filtered.. if we don't, then we may understand and percieve it as if the train is suddenly changing course. This is not what is happening. The Avalon train is very alert and it changes it's track accordingly to what is going on on the various levels around us, some hidden, in order to arrive to our destination. Our shared destination. Not everyone at any certain time will be able to see the new paved road, a road which is smoother and easier to navigate, some will see that the names of the stations are now not the same as they used to be. The rate of change is different for each individual. Therefore, I see where you are coming from, It may feel uncomfortable to watch another, maybe a friend you care for, walk on a parallel trail and both your trails don't seem to touch anymore, it might cross roads one day and it might not. In a more personal example (and thanks for sharing this in your thread, Raf) , imagine convincing your wife's parents that there are other ways to do the 'right thing' in life other then to be Christians and see how far they will think you have taken your own wagon out of the track. But, you know what you know. Whether they will catch up it is up to them, there is nothing you can do about it. I dare to say to all that is what is going on here.

Look at where we are versus to where we were a few years ago, this is such an unlogical journey... or maybe it is, but not the 3D logic one where we are simply satisfied with the bag of tools we were given, If the military and inteligence agencies on the biggest continents nowdays almost openly use Remote viewers and the police is getting assisted by people with psychic abilities then maybe it should be of interest to us to see what really is the right track to follow here. Maybe we can help the planet better, and isn't it what we came here to do?

I truly understand all your candid stance, even though, I admit to becoming aware to the new paved road myself, I still try to carry the old useful tools with me but am following with great fascination of discovery the aquired new ones. The combination of our minds with focused intention coming from the heart, combined with the spiritual laws and strong desire to correct the wrong doings of the world is the NUMBER ONE powerful utility they DON'T WANT us to know about. So much was invested by them and their devious plans to manipulate this planet into a slave factory, with considerable success unfortunetly said, only because they KNOW and use the tools that we don't. No technology is needed, It is our natural innate abilities and birthright that is slowly being revealed to us, yes, some of us ARE having experiences with this even if we keep quiet as to not be considered 'unrational' by our dear friends and partners to the same cause. If only we could all enjoy the new route and stations of the road together, but this is not the way things are happening, the best we can do is respect one another's choice of path or trail and not demand that they will stay on the familiar known path.

The beaten track may be the one holding the surprises in it, What do we know... Hopefully we can all arrive to the conclusion that we can respect that and one another.

Cheers,

Limor

[jiminii]

the true situation of this planet is this. WE are salvaging it. IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE THAT, but as you can see most of the fear prophecies haven't happened. But we have to run out the fear. We can't just come in here and say, "WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE IT ALL NOW FOR YOU" because it doesn't work. People are stuck all over the universe in their memories back trillions of years and all of that must be discharged.

There is actual physical universe electrical charge in all these pictures they have recorded. It has literally BLOWN HOLES IN THE CANS the person is holding and melted all the wires and turned the entire E-meter into DUST.

that is vaguely an idea of how much charge is in some of the pictures. So we take it off a little at a time so the person doesn't blow holes in cans and turn e-meters into dust.

so we allow everyone to play their games. The cabal, the military, the government, all of it so all this charge can be removed and they will be able to get out of their little dramas and decide to fix the planet and help each other.

It is a slow process but it works.

does this make sense?

jim


this is the post silentfeathers doesn't want deleted ,,, if you don't understand it please ask

jim

[jiminii]

the true situation of this planet is this. WE are salvaging it. IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE THAT, but as you can see most of the fear prophecies haven't happened. But we have to run out the fear. We can't just come in here and say, "WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE IT ALL NOW FOR YOU" because it doesn't work. People are stuck all over the universe in their memories back trillions of years and all of that must be discharged.

There is actual physical universe electrical charge in all these pictures they have recorded. It has literally BLOWN HOLES IN THE CANS the person is holding and melted all the wires and turned the entire E-meter into DUST.

that is vaguely an idea of how much charge is in some of the pictures. So we take it off a little at a time so the person doesn't blow holes in cans and turn e-meters into dust.

so we allow everyone to play their games. The cabal, the military, the government, all of it so all this charge can be removed and they will be able to get out of their little dramas and decide to fix the planet and help each other.

It is a slow process but it works.

does this make sense?

jim


this is the post silentfeathers doesn't want deleted ,,, if you don't understand it please ask

jim

we have a meter we use to take people back into their past and/or past life times it has tin cans like you would get from the super market that would have vegetables in it.
we hold them in the palms and the wires go into a meter run by a small battery

we have had incidents come up in someones past that had so much charge in it that it literally blew holes in the cans melted the wires and turned the meter into dust

so this is the charge that people have in their recordings that keep them trapped with their abilities and knowingness gone

but a natural clear has no PHYSICAL UNIVERSE CREATED MIND THAT CAN CONTAIN PICTURES WITH CHARGE IN THEM.

can you see the difference?

jim

ps we have to run out the fear means we have to audit it out. this can be done in or out of the body. We can audit people without them even knowing it with OT 7 where we audit out the environment. This is just case and it never helps anyone to have it. and it only will free up more theta for them and make them happy

jim

[donk]

I just want to point out something I noticed, it doesn't seem to be directly addressed:

A lot of us here feel that Bill (& some mods) seem to act differently than what we have become accustomed to a lot of the times when Jim posts (& more especially when he is challenged or criticized). This is our perception, and we don't understand why. Either they disagree with this statement, or they think it is good thing for the forum, I'm not sure which--but I feel I speak for a lot of the posters that I am reading when I say we are not comfortable with it.

Besides simply defending him and his beliefs and his integrity--we are told repeatedly that calling Jim out or is ruining the flow of threads, that addressing things he says is an attack, if you don't like his stuff to put him on ignore, or things to that effect. It's a defensiveness of him often turned back on the poster, something I feel is handled differently when he is involved than anyone else I have seen around here...you can call me wrong or even crazy but please don't call me attacking, this is how I perceive this.

And I don't have the desire to go back into the other examples I'm thinking of that supports what I am saying, so I want to reiterate: you can call that my feeling or intuition or discerning of a pattern or whatever that I have been listening to for some time, but is NOT an attack on the founder & admin team I respect SO much, I am just hoping to bring light to the forum I feel is very important, and needs to stay united rather than dividing into factions.

I have been letting go what I have seen as a pattern, mostly cuz it's unfair as I won't read enough of his stuff to try to understand what he is saying (it's beyond me, I just don't get it), but I truly feel reading the reactions of those I respect is enough...plus I generally read him in others' reactions. It seems that--the reaction--is what is most often accused of interrupting the flow of threads. In the cases where Bill has to step in reprimand or clarify for him directly, that's an even even bigger disruption of a thread...but in any case, either way--it always becomes about HIM.

Which would be fine, it's your forum and there's plenty of room to avoid him like you all love to point out--but that's not what this is about. I am fine not reading him or even the posts that are reactions to him (another thing I've taken to doing more often than not anymore), what is troubling my being, setting off uncomfortable red flags in me, is the change I see from what I have to come think of as people (or at least characters, as I like to think of myself and everyone here) that I really care about (and thought I "knew").

So I do have specific, timely examples that pushed me over the over the edge, here in this thread...that with others' comments, has my spidey senses tingling so much I am compelled to urge the admin (who I adore) of the forum (I feel is VERY important) to try to explain why there's this feeling in me (us?) and where it may be coming from?--I feel I am not the only one having it.

So what happened is this: I can't remember ever having had a post removed, when raf & bill and were going back and forth about incredible beliefs (something like "raf: spiders, your turn"), the thing that blasted into my awareness upon reading it was my questioning him (Bill) on LRH thread about the OT3 stuff--I'm not going into that but my intuition was triggered by those post to remember that...By the time I looked back at the thread (moments later), the next post was Jim talking about OT3...so I unthinkingly jumped on it as an example where Bill was in disagreement with an incredible belief Jim had. Bill promptly removed both posts (Jim's & mine), politely pming me that it was off topic, which I was actually grateful for at first, my initial comment was kinda snide and the edit I was working on that I found I couldn't post (as the post was no longer there) wasn't coming out the way I wanted it to (I wanted it to be a challenge to Bill to see if he was not projecting a little on to raf, or maybe he was also capable of doing what he was pointing out that raf was doing--if you see what I mean). I responded to the pm and never heard back so let it go--figuring it was not place to address concerns I have about feelings I was getting, they are my responsibility, not Bill's.

But the more I thought about it, the more I wondered: was my comment really off topic--enough for Bill to immediately remove? How many of Jim's (or anyone else's) comments get removed like that? I feel like I am often seemingly off topic with nearly everything I post--even in the most "important" threads like the Horus-Ra "most important on the Internet" and I never had that problem before. Could OT3 or my (mis)understanding of Scientology have something to do with it...only Jim and people who know the tech are able to make it "on topic"? Am I seeing things that are not there? And then I looked back on the thread and saw others expressing some of my feelings, so here we are.

One other thing, and this was clincher: I KNOW I saw the name of a specific former member in one of Bill's posts, using that person as some kind of an example in a reference that was obscure to me as I knew very little of their history--I believe as a "freedom fighter" (is that code or covert hostility or something for "terrorist"?). I'm not going to say anything more on that except it was the most un-bill-like thing I have ever seen him do, to the point that I thought he may have been hacked--until I saw him subsequently remove it (the name, not the post)...and if I remember correctly it was more than the moment my previous incident took, I have to believe it was up a little while someone maybe brought to his attention it was not his usual classy respectful style--but again, I don't know--every other thread I have seen with similar issues where posts were removed or modified were ALWAYS explained...and I am fully aware there's thousands of threads--possibly even where this is normal? but it is new to me so hoped to have it explained if this regular procedure or an exceptional case.

So finally: I conclude what happened (and has been happening lately) is very un-Bill-like, and was wondering if I was seeing stuff that was not there. But then other people kept expressing similar concerns--so if I am delusional, I am not alone in my concerns for the forum and the un-like the selves that we have grown accustomed to way the admin seems to react to him.

So I'm putting it out there, based more on my feelings and intuition than by studying the interactions--willing (wanting) to be wrong, welcoming all criticism: I share a perception that Jim evokes an "unlike-them" response from the administration. This has nothing to do with anything specific that Jim has ever said, this says absolutely nothing about the dude himself. I am not attacking. I just feel confused, have had a niggling feeling for a while, and white feathers post open me to this idea: maybe it is not a trap--maybe this is a thread meant to shed some light onto what some of us perceive as darkness, an opportunity for unity.

[eaglespirit]

...and imho, the fear of the unknown is going to be calmed as never before.
These light shows that are occurring around the world from ison and other phenomenal anomalies that are going to occur are going to turn people around the world from the distractions and contraptions and personal bindings and help upgrade the individual connection to the awareness of changes occurring in real-time now...especially higher spiritual integration that is going to come about by simple default from all of these new wonders.
Each of us will have plenty of folks to help in the smoothness of transition/integration as things escalate in a very positive way.
I have been sharing this for years in many ways from my own strong inner feelings and feel it is coming to fruition in an exponential way now.


...
Donk...I really feel this forum is moving beyond all of the 'issues' and beginning to really see what each of us can do now in a very big way to help this transition happennig before our eyes.

[Agape]

Jim,

..a question to you.. you obviously grew up with scientology ( probably were even born to it ) , you matured with scientology, aged with scientology , it's on your plate daily, you are eating it , breathing it .
From our outside world perspective, you have been heavily indoctrinated . You've reached high level of clarity and freedom through and within their system so that now, you feel freed of the system itself which is perceptually not true from outer observers view point.

I've never been in that situation myself because , say my inner resistance ( my inner e-meter ) says no to indoctrinations . This includes all forms of religious, philosophical, political and scientific doctrines . I like to study them, remember them , make use of their beneficial tools when the time comes in life ..
but do not need them to organise my life .

From my own perspective you so 'tagged' by what you've been through that thinking another way/s does not seem to be longer an option. Hope I'm wrong .

There are much older philosophical systems in this world than scientology that contain but are not limited to, universal principles of creation, cosmology , individual and societal path to inner freedom, clarity, enlightenment ..
some are well tried , some less, their prophets are equally flawed as enlightened , depending on individual . But they do exist , their students exist, their followers exist in every culture on this planet, in every historical epoch.
Each of those systems contains 'all else' at the same time , multiverses and their possibilities,
dimensions and relations between them summed in principles not unknown to todays science .
Take number theory for example . Or general theory of relativity . Very early in history of man , people found out that thinking in numbers helps you to describe levels of phenomenal existence much better and that the abstract world of numbers is pure and infinite in its expanse .

As a teenager I explored those abstract worlds with great enthusiasm and later , as a meditation student, I could still make use of the same .

Now the question for you , sorry if premature ..

Would you feel unsafe , if you give up on the scientology, terminology and methodology, you have whole Universe of possibilities within you,

is there any way you would like to be free completely or is it completely mad idea from your perspective ?



A :pray:

[ulli]

Some people believe they are on earth to learn lessons, some think they are here to teach lessons,
some people see earth as a prison, and accept their sentence, and behave themselves in the hope
of getting out early, and others believe with certainty that this is an eternal trap, and the only answer is to attempt escape.
And who is to know which of these view points is the true one?
And who will deny another person their view point?

If Jim believes he came here with a set of tools that will help him walk through the prison walls into freedom,
why challenge him to lay down those tools?

I think motive has to be examined here, and so far, even if Jim's view is wrong, since he has done no harm
I think he ought to be given the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not a Scientologist, nor do I intend to become one,
but I can see when someone feels they are on a mission to free others,
and try to do so without using force.
And a few of those who have waited for this opportunity are here, and this might include the forum owner.
So why would one even feel the need to redirect him....?

The thing with spidey senses is that they need some careful examination
before any attempts at coercion take place.
There is also an element here of a stranger riding into town,
and the resident alpha male and his gang of buddies having a spidey sense attack,
before they even know that the pale rider might be Clint Eastwood.

And it is obvious to me that this gang has a leader...someone who influences them to keep the war going. I see a pattern, going back till May. Always the usual suspects.
It has been relentless.
So who is he? And is he an Avalonian, or indeed, human at all?

[Limor Wolf]

What is the real story here? :confused:

Surely it is not about jiminii and what he should do or shouldn't do, say or shouldn't say, believe or not believe..

And it doesn't feel anymore as a sincere caring for the forum (since jim's message is about HEALING the world, not about KILLING it)

So there might be a deeper psychological or anthropological reason and I think a different pair of spectacles might help us all to find out what it is. Is anyone willing to help? :)

[Agape]

Some people believe they are on earth to learn lessons, some think they are here to teach lessons,
some people see earth as a prison, and accept their sentence, and behave themselves in the hope
of getting out early, and others believe with certainty that this is an eternal trap, and the only answer is to attempt escape.
And who is to know which of these view points is the true one?
And who will deny another person their view point?

Only you for yourself, the first and last responsibility is the one to yourself, we come to this world naked and leave naked .


If Jim believes he came here with a set of tools that will help him walk through the prison walls into freedom,
why challenge him to lay down those tools?

That would be indeed , incorrect . Who is the one asking Jim to 'lay down his inborn tools' , the better of us are trying to support each other in thinking better , so also , making use of our 'tools'


I think motive has to be examined here, and so far, even if Jim's view is wrong, since he has done no harm
I think he ought to be given the benefit of the doubt.

I'm seeing more complex issue and have no doubt about both Jims and Bills best intentions here .





I'm not a Scientologist, nor do I intend to become one,
but I can see when someone feels they are on a mission to free others,
and try to do so without using force.
And a few of those who have waited for this opportunity are here, and this might include the forum owner.
So why would one even feel the need to redirect him....?


It's simple. I ask honest question from my perspective, Jim is not little child, a minor, and I'm not trying to inspect or examine his conscience, divert his path.

I'm asking simple question from one being to another . Are you , immediately jumping to confusion here, questioning my motivation Ulli or was that someone else you imagine in my place you've never inquired about ?


The thing with spidey senses is that they need some careful examination
before any attempts at coercion take place.
There is also an element here of a stranger riding into town,
and the resident alpha male and his gang of buddies having a spidey sense attack,
before they even know that the pale rider might be Clint Eastwood.

And it is obvious to me that the alpha male and leader of the gang is not Bill Ryan,
since he is protecting the newcomer.
So who is he? And is he an Avalonian, or indeed, human at all?

I am absolutely not to any coercions here or anywhere, I respect the principle of non violence as bases of normal communication .

Vis last paragraph , that's a repeated observation and subliminal suggestion being made for Jims sake since start, by Bill himself , by Jim, supported by others who see that such a supportive approach will help Jim ,
but also all the forum , perhaps whole world . There are psychological perspectives of those suggestions and behaviours that indeed may or may not be correct , who can say yes, and ..may or may not help either Jim or others.

Making you feel that Jim too high to be questioned , that he is on remote mission to save the world that very few can understand and dispute and that no ordinary principles , valid reasoning are permissible within this debate, makes the discussion impossible unless very biased .

P.S. You may be very correct Ulli and I do not principally disagree, I've worked along with many spiritually elevated people in my life , from different traditions and walks of life, also with people who suffered various forms of abuse ,
and I'm very far from wanting to hurt Jim.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


What is the real story here? :confused:

Surely it is not about jiminii and what he should do or shouldn't do, say or shouldn't say, believe or not believe..

And it doesn't feel anymore as a sincere caring for the forum (since jim's message is about HEALING the world, not about KILLING it)

So there might be a deeper psychological or anthropological reason and I think a different pair of spectacles might help us all to find out what it is. Is anyone willing to help? :)

No ? I see there are many threads full of Jims experiences, am I not allowed to ask him simple human question in your best opinion and why ?

I am not killing anyone, never did.

:israel:

[Limor Wolf]

What is the real story here? :confused:

Surely it is not about jiminii and what he should do or shouldn't do, say or shouldn't say, believe or not believe..

And it doesn't feel anymore as a sincere caring for the forum (since jim's message is about HEALING the world, not about KILLING it)

So there might be a deeper psychological or anthropological reason and I think a different pair of spectacles might help us all to find out what it is. Is anyone willing to help? :)

No ? I see there are many threads full of Jims experiences, am I not allowed to ask him simple human question in your best opinion and why ?

I am not killing anyone, never did.

:israel:

Agape, thank you for taking the whole weight on yourself, I don't think it's necessary ;)

You are the last person I will suspect in killing (of course, in any good movie those who are most unsuspected are the guilty ones :) I am just joking)

In my view questions are reasonable, even helpful, when putting judgment aside and when having real curiosity and attentivness for the answer, if that is the case (and it's for everyone to examine themselves), then where is the problem?

[Agape]

I ask that question because if Jim decides to respond to me, I learn something , even he learns something by answering the question .

It's about psychological perspective, suppose I'm going to live on this planet for a while yet , I will 100% meet others who can benefit from the perspective ,
no matter what way .

The problem ? Vulnerability i think, mine in this case , big way ..and I am not happy to be facing it . I see Bill protecting another vulnerable person, 59 year old , almost a world messiah , who does have problems .
No one on this forum , from Bills side seriously inquired about me and my problems, threads started by me are frequently ignored , because I am not like the rest of the flock and unless I agree to be 'normalised' , there never will be.

I'm of course, at this point not part /member of ANY other collective , I've never been good in collectives, actually , I still very much try to be social here even though in frequently end ups for me in hurt feelings ( not an ego , it's pure pain someone somewhere are enjoying ) .


:cantina:

[jiminii]

Jim,

..a question to you.. you obviously grew up with scientology ( probably were even born to it ) , you matured with scientology, aged with scientology , it's on your plate daily, you are eating it , breathing it .
From our outside world perspective, you have been heavily indoctrinated . You've reached high level of clarity and freedom through and within their system so that now, you feel freed of the system itself which is perceptually not true from outer observers view point.

I've never been in that situation myself because , say my inner resistance ( my inner e-meter ) says no to indoctrinations . This includes all forms of religious, philosophical, political and scientific doctrines . I like to study them, remember them , make use of their beneficial tools when the time comes in life ..
but do not need them to organise my life .

From my own perspective you so 'tagged' by what you've been through that thinking another way/s does not seem to be longer an option. Hope I'm wrong .

There are much older philosophical systems in this world than scientology that contain but are not limited to, universal principles of creation, cosmology , individual and societal path to inner freedom, clarity, enlightenment ..
some are well tried , some less, their prophets are equally flawed as enlightened , depending on individual . But they do exist , their students exist, their followers exist in every culture on this planet, in every historical epoch.
Each of those systems contains 'all else' at the same time , multiverses and their possibilities,
dimensions and relations between them summed in principles not unknown to todays science .
Take number theory for example . Or general theory of relativity . Very early in history of man , people found out that thinking in numbers helps you to describe levels of phenomenal existence much better and that the abstract world of numbers is pure and infinite in its expanse .

As a teenager I explored those abstract worlds with great enthusiasm and later , as a meditation student, I could still make use of the same .

Now the question for you , sorry if premature ..

Would you feel unsafe , if you give up on the scientology, terminology and methodology, you have whole Universe of possibilities within you,

is there any way you would like to be free completely or is it completely mad idea from your perspective ?



A :pray:

we created a sub forum to help me get out of the language of scientology. You just can't imagine how many coined phrases are there that you don't even notice that others would not understand what you are saying.

so I am learning in a sub forum how to communicate it better

jim

[Kalamos]

Jim causes a lot of distraction/confusion with his posts that only a few claim to understand. Distraction is prevalent here, in my opinion. But compassion is here too. Who's for what? I don't know for sure, but I have ideas.

[Agape]

we created a sub forum to help me get out of the language of scientology. You just can't imagine how many coined phrases are there that you don't even notice that others would not understand what you are saying.

so I am learning in a sub forum how to communicate it better

jim

Wow. Ok Jim, I thought of ..that such a sub forum will probably fix it for you as well .

I don't have a priori problems with ways you communicate , from my perspective it's about 'the system' .
Very often .. this is what you find in whole generations of people who were brought up in single systematic doctrine,
no matter whether it is religious , cultural or political system and were never exposed to another system outside .
There are millions of people worldwide facing this very subliminal problem , most of them absolutely unaware that the 'world outside' is not exactly as had been portrayed to them .

If you have the chance to study yet another couple of similar systems , you may find the correlations and allow yourself to rise beyond them .

Very well

:angel:

[jiminii]

What is the real story here? :confused:

Surely it is not about jiminii and what he should do or shouldn't do, say or shouldn't say, believe or not believe..

And it doesn't feel anymore as a sincere caring for the forum (since jim's message is about HEALING the world, not about KILLING it)

So there might be a deeper psychological or anthropological reason and I think a different pair of spectacles might help us all to find out what it is. Is anyone willing to help? :)

No ? I see there are many threads full of Jims experiences, am I not allowed to ask him simple human question in your best opinion and why ?

I am not killing anyone, never did.

:israel:

Agape, thank you for taking the whole weight on yourself, I don't think it's necessary ;)

You are the last person I will suspect in killing (of course, in any good movie those who are most unsuspected are the guilty ones :) I am just joking)

In my view questions are reasonable, even helpful, when putting judgment aside and when having real curiosity and attentivness for the answer, if that is the case (and it's for everyone to examine themselves), then where is the problem?

I will try to clean this picture

there is a study tech LRH created. when you pass a word you don't understand the section right after blanks out on you and you can't seem to remember what you read.
there is a whole phenomenon to the misunderstood word where it causes people to NATTER and say the course is no good and they want to quit that class,

so this is what is happening, so we created a sub forum so I can try to talk to people familiar with Scientology so we can just get my communication better so I am not given everyone MU's ,(misunderstood words) because you can see what happens. people start nattering like crazy because they don't understand what I am saying

it is just as simple as that.

jim

[Limor Wolf]

I ask that question because if Jim decides to respond to me, I learn something , even he learns something by answering the question .

It's about psychological perspective, suppose I'm going to live on this planet for a while yet , I will 100% meet others who can benefit from the perspective ,
no matter what way .

The problem ? Vulnerability i think, mine in this case , big way ..and I am not happy to be facing it . I see Bill protecting another vulnerable person, 59 year old , almost a world messiah , who does have problems .
No one on this forum , from Bills side seriously inquired about me and my problems, threads started by me are frequently ignored , because I am not like the rest of the flock and unless I agree to be 'normalised' , there never will be.

I'm of course, at this point not part /member of ANY other collective , I've never been good in collectives, actually , I still very much try to be social here even though in frequently end ups for me in hurt feelings ( not an ego , it's pure pain someone somewhere are enjoying ) .


:cantina:

Love to you, Eva, we share so much in common. I also am not a social animal, do not feel a part of any collective and sometimes it requires an effort for me to be here.
We need to ask jim if this is the case with him as well :p

It is probably not easy to be Bill, To try and give an equal recognition to everyone and since he often listens to others and is a teacher and an advisor, his energy and attention is sought- after by many. I do however remember him supporting and reffering others to your extremely interesting Bodhgaya event material, and it must also not easy to be you, you seem to have inner wisdom that many others don't have, a not so much easy to digest type of information and a very developed insights and understandings, which appear to be a burden to you to carry, very understandably so, none of us who feel we are outside of the 'norm' are as carefree as jim is, he is a rare bird even between us other rare birds, and there is something which is curios just in that.


One thing I will tell you with all my heart (and to myself as well) -please don't be 'normalized', don't be nothing but your own complete self and although it is nice to recieve reassurance from others, we are the ones who need to reassure ourselves first. When we do that, others will dare as well : )

In kinship,

Limor

[jiminii]

I ask that question because if Jim decides to respond to me, I learn something , even he learns something by answering the question .

It's about psychological perspective, suppose I'm going to live on this planet for a while yet , I will 100% meet others who can benefit from the perspective ,
no matter what way .

The problem ? Vulnerability i think, mine in this case , big way ..and I am not happy to be facing it . I see Bill protecting another vulnerable person, 59 year old , almost a world messiah , who does have problems .
No one on this forum , from Bills side seriously inquired about me and my problems, threads started by me are frequently ignored , because I am not like the rest of the flock and unless I agree to be 'normalised' , there never will be.

I'm of course, at this point not part /member of ANY other collective , I've never been good in collectives, actually , I still very much try to be social here even though in frequently end ups for me in hurt feelings ( not an ego , it's pure pain someone somewhere are enjoying ) .


:cantina:

Love to you, Eva, we share so much in common. I also am not a social animal, do not feel a part of any collective and sometimes it requires an effort for me to be here.
We need to ask jim if this is the case with him as well :p

It is probably not easy to be Bill, To try and give an equal recognition to everyone and since he often listens to others and is a teacher and an advisor, his energy and attention is sought- after by many. I do however remember him supporting and reffering others to your extremely interesting Bodhgaya event material, and it must also not be easy to be you, you seem to have inner wisdom that many others don't have, a not so much easy to digest type of information and a very developed insights and understandings, which appear to be a burden to you to carry, very understandably so, none of us who feel we are outside of the 'norm' are as carefree as jim is, he is a rare bird even between us other rare birds, and there is something which is curios just in that.


One thing I will tell you with all my heart (and to myself as well) -please don't be 'normalized', don't be nothing but your own complete self and although it is nice to recieve reassurance from others, we are the ones who need to reassure ourselves first. When we do that, others will dare as well : )

In kinship,

Limor

I can be here or not be here

I can understand everyone's arguments but I just don't have that much time to spend trying to clear every single thing I say.

what we are dealing with here is alignment of spirits. this will happen,

it stated today and got very powerful.

the alignment will change everything
you don't need words for that.
the spirit beings will just know how to do it.

it takes space to do it.

it is simple

some how my being knows how to do this.

so I will start the alignment and the rest will know what to do.

jim

[ulli]

Some people believe they are on earth to learn lessons, some think they are here to teach lessons,
some people see earth as a prison, and accept their sentence, and behave themselves in the hope
of getting out early, and others believe with certainty that this is an eternal trap, and the only answer is to attempt escape.
And who is to know which of these view points is the true one?
And who will deny another person their view point?

Only you for yourself, the first and last responsibility is the one to yourself, we come to this world naked and leave naked .


If Jim believes he came here with a set of tools that will help him walk through the prison walls into freedom,
why challenge him to lay down those tools?

That would be indeed , incorrect . Who is the one asking Jim to 'lay down his inborn tools' , the better of us are trying to support each other in thinking better , so also , making use of our 'tools'


I think motive has to be examined here, and so far, even if Jim's view is wrong, since he has done no harm
I think he ought to be given the benefit of the doubt.

I'm seeing more complex issue and have no doubt about both Jims and Bills best intentions here .





I'm not a Scientologist, nor do I intend to become one,
but I can see when someone feels they are on a mission to free others,
and try to do so without using force.
And a few of those who have waited for this opportunity are here, and this might include the forum owner.
So why would one even feel the need to redirect him....?


It's simple. I ask honest question from my perspective, Jim is not little child, a minor, and I'm not trying to inspect or examine his conscience, divert his path.

I'm asking simple question from one being to another . Are you , immediately jumping to confusion here, questioning my motivation Ulli or was that someone else you imagine in my place you've never inquired about ?


The thing with spidey senses is that they need some careful examination
before any attempts at coercion take place.
There is also an element here of a stranger riding into town,
and the resident alpha male and his gang of buddies having a spidey sense attack,
before they even know that the pale rider might be Clint Eastwood.

And it is obvious to me that the alpha male and leader of the gang is not Bill Ryan,
since he is protecting the newcomer.
So who is he? And is he an Avalonian, or indeed, human at all?

I am absolutely not to any coercions here or anywhere, I respect the principle of non violence as bases of normal communication .

Vis last paragraph , that's a repeated observation and subliminal suggestion being made for Jims sake since start, by Bill himself , by Jim, supported by others who see that such a supportive approach will help Jim ,
but also all the forum , perhaps whole world . There are psychological perspectives of those suggestions and behaviours that indeed may or may not be correct , who can say yes, and ..may or may not help either Jim or others.

Making you feel that Jim too high to be questioned , that he is on remote mission to save the world that very few can understand and dispute and that no ordinary principles , valid reasoning are permissible within this debate, makes the discussion impossible unless very biased .

P.S. You may be very correct Ulli and I do not principally disagree, I've worked along with many spiritually elevated people in my life , from different traditions and walks of life, also with people who suffered various forms of abuse ,
and I'm very far from wanting to hurt Jim.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


What is the real story here? :confused:

Surely it is not about jiminii and what he should do or shouldn't do, say or shouldn't say, believe or not believe..

And it doesn't feel anymore as a sincere caring for the forum (since jim's message is about HEALING the world, not about KILLING it)

So there might be a deeper psychological or anthropological reason and I think a different pair of spectacles might help us all to find out what it is. Is anyone willing to help? :)

No ? I see there are many threads full of Jims experiences, am I not allowed to ask him simple human question in your best opinion and why ?

I am not killing anyone, never did.

:israel:

Agape, let me quickly affirm that most of my post was not directed at you in person,
but was the result of something building up in me over time...
The feeling that the questioning of Jim that has been going on for a while is not really
Questioning but an attempt to silence him.

Of course I now realize that I was wrong....
Your energy is so different, and very sweet and pure...
as a matter of fact.
So please accept my apology, if I was unjust to lump you in with a "gang".
I promise to be more careful in future.

[Agape]

I will try to clean this picture

there is a study tech LRH created. when you pass a word you don't understand the section right after blanks out on you and you can't seem to remember what you read.
there is a whole phenomenon to the misunderstood word where it causes people to NATTER and say the course is no good and they want to quit that class,

so this is what is happening, so we created a sub forum so I can try to talk to people familiar with Scientology so we can just get my communication better so I am not given everyone MU's ,(misunderstood words) because you can see what happens. people start nattering like crazy because they don't understand what I am saying

it is just as simple as that.

jim


I understand you can trust Bill because he is very familiar with the scientology 'tech manual ' but more so processes you have probably passed through on daily bases ,
and still passing through .. or 'trespassing' ( said more in jest ).

Yes it's like with studying any other systematic doctrine, for newcomer or outsider their terminology itself may seem overwhelming and requires step by step process of ingestion , assimilation and getting the experience with its meaning to be allowed to yet deeper understanding .

For example .. if you start to study Vedas , you need to learn basics of sanskrit as well even if you have texts translated to English to your disposal ,
and you have no choice than to go step by step , even though the limits and boundaries are not dictated by anyone else than your teacher/s and your ability to learn .

When you learn basic concepts, precepts , are familiar with core scriptures etc and are either decided or focused on 'experiential realisation' by lets say, meditation practise , even if you learn terms, it's of little help till you actually happen to experience various meditative states ( samadhis ) on your own ,
which may take years to accomplish.

Then again.. even if you learn all of this and want to study Buddhism , for example,
despite close correlation between the vast doctrines,
you embark on whole new system of understanding the same thing , talking of consciousness , metaphysics , cosmology and else ..
certain things will be taught exactly the same way but called different names and other things will be called the same names but in different connotations,
practised differently .


Then again, if you would happen to study Hebrew esoterics , based on Old Testament and its explanations, you can't do so without understanding the language and its symbolics , and even though Sanskrit and Old Hebrew are 2 quite different languages , you will come across some eerie similarities when it comes to religious observations and esoteric practises, contemplations, their levels and so on.

In another words, all we do ..and study in human world , has some very very old, ancient roots, none emerged quite independently and by itself, but are related to each other historically and culturally by rather invisible threads ( invisible to casual observer ) though they've each claimed their territorial , historical and cultural sovereignty ..and tried the best to 'stand on their legs' ,
often by forceful cutting of the cord .. from their preceding history .

So it is with scientology , so it is with many 'new age doctrines' , psychological doctrines accepted by the West etc ,
sometimes .and it's no big secret, their founders and prophets studied another philosophical doctrine before developing their own .

Such a way ..especially in todays world where education, and information started to be available globally , we are all responsible for what we want to understand about our languages, religious backgrounds, philosophical thesis etc .. and how they correspond to each other,
finding common roots in the worldwide community rather than 'cutting ourselves ' from the rest of people and building 'our own world' ( historically, any such isolated world is bound to fail )


:pray:

[johnf]

What is the real story here? :confused:

Surely it is not about jiminii and what he should do or shouldn't do, say or shouldn't say, believe or not believe..

And it doesn't feel anymore as a sincere caring for the forum (since jim's message is about HEALING the world, not about KILLING it)

So there might be a deeper psychological or anthropological reason and I think a different pair of spectacles might help us all to find out what it is. Is anyone willing to help? :)

No ? I see there are many threads full of Jims experiences, am I not allowed to ask him simple human question in your best opinion and why ?

I am not killing anyone, never did.

:israel:

Agape, thank you for taking the whole weight on yourself, I don't think it's necessary ;)

You are the last person I will suspect in killing (of course, in any good movie those who are most unsuspected are the guilty ones :) I am just joking)

In my view questions are reasonable, even helpful, when putting judgment aside and when having real curiosity and attentivness for the answer, if that is the case (and it's for everyone to examine themselves), then where is the problem?

I will try to clean this picture

there is a study tech LRH created. when you pass a word you don't understand the section right after blanks out on you and you can't seem to remember what you read.
there is a whole phenomenon to the misunderstood word where it causes people to NATTER and say the course is no good and they want to quit that class,

so this is what is happening, so we created a sub forum so I can try to talk to people familiar with Scientology so we can just get my communication better so I am not given everyone MU's ,(misunderstood words) because you can see what happens. people start nattering like crazy because they don't understand what I am saying

it is just as simple as that.

jim

Lets see if this is the whole picture. Maybe it isn't as simple as that.
Stop using specialized terms for a definite period.
Use regular language, try this as a process, make a program out of it.
Many in the freezone have done this, Bill states it as a personal policy.
I think you will be amazed at what sort of circuits (strongly ingrained automatic habit patterns) this process can break.
Seriously I think that it should be your highest priority at this time.
It may not be easy, (deliberate understatement), but I really think it will be worthwhile.

Warning, specialized verbiage ahead:

Begin process.

Many in the freezone say that they were in a cult, and that it has taken an effort to break out of it.
Perhaps there is some truth to that idea.
The abstention from the specialized terms is just one step here, and it will be a possible test of the theory that all the phenomena around your posts is just from the misunderstood word phenomenon.

One thing cults do is try to judge everything by one particular measuring stick.
What if you try to eliminate just that part of the problem first, and from there see where it goes.



jf

[Agape]

Love to you, Eva, we share so much in common. I also am not a social animal, do not feel a part of any collective and sometimes it requires an effort for me to be here.
We need to ask jim if this is the case with him as well :p

It is probably not easy to be Bill, To try and give an equal recognition to everyone and since he often listens to others and is a teacher and an advisor, his energy and attention is sought- after by many. I do however remember him supporting and reffering others to your extremely interesting Bodhgaya event material, and it must also not be easy to be you, you seem to have inner wisdom that many others don't have, a not so much easy to digest type of information and a very developed insights and understandings, which appear to be a burden to you to carry, very understandably so, none of us who feel we are outside of the 'norm' are as carefree as jim is, he is a rare bird even between us other rare birds, and there is something which is curios just in that.


One thing I will tell you with all my heart (and to myself as well) -please don't be 'normalized', don't be nothing but your own complete self and although it is nice to recieve reassurance from others, we are the ones who need to reassure ourselves first. When we do that, others will dare as well : )

In kinship,

Limor


Thank you my friend , I know you are very wise and kind being ..thanks for extending those kind words to me .

My mum used to repeat to me when I was quite young ''no one can cross his own shadow'' or lets say, it's one of the difficult things to do.
Even though we are pure and limitless beings with infinite possibilities ..we are still bound by the law of action and reaction , under every 'dimensional rules' where we abide and can't do effectively , just what we want , as fast as needed , no amount of good intention we have .

Maybe more than Jim ( but I don't like to compare anyone to anyone else ) I have learned to survive by lowering my head , keeping silent and walking out to avoid arguments, I don't like either wars or dramas ,
though..in life terms , 'walking out' is not always the solution neither the purpose .

I also experience , on everyday level that endless repetitions pain, whether it's words, or behaviours , patterns we are encountering,
I don't like to criticise humans as species ( why would be here otherwise ) but my best guess is that they have weak memory in general and need to repeat certain things , including historical mistakes , critical mistakes, many times, over and over again before they learn how to do it better and they are innately afraid of new solutions , perhaps being afraid that they won't handle them ?

That's why I think, we are here so long ...

with very little progress .


wishing you peace, Peace and Love .

E :hug:

[donk]

I just want to be clear that my spidey senses have not nearly as much to do with Jim as it does others, if I didn't make that clear enough I apologize. Also, I like "strangers" and have no desire to be "alpha-male".

I value this place as somewhere that you can bring your seemingly outrageous ideas and they are directly addressed intelligently, openly, and politely. I care enough about it to express my concerns as openly and honestly as I am capable, always trusting as I can be of everyone's intentions. My intentions are to find a common reality we can agree upon.

So my aforementioned outrageous idea of the moment is this: it seems Bill and others act unlike "themselves--as I know them" when it comes to jim. I don't think I'm the only one.

Discuss

[Agape]

Agape, let me quickly affirm that most of my post was not directed at you in person,
but was the result of something building up in me over time...
The feeling that the questioning of Jim that has been going on for a while is not really
Questioning but an attempt to silence him.

Of course I now realize that I was wrong....
Your energy is so different, and very sweet and pure...
as a matter of fact.
So please accept my apology, if I was unjust to lump you in with a "gang".
I promise to be more careful in future.

Thanks Ulli. That's a reason why 'collective mentality' can be in fact quite dangerous , I'm sure you are aware of countless examples , as I'm and how crowd of people or a group is easy to develop 'group views' and behaviours that are not dissimilar to packs of wolves, herds of sheep .. anything of that kind.

The reason why this happens is in level of comfort, safety , power and protection we experience in a group but also reason to relax and stop evolving as individual entities ..

sometimes it happens that way .

I've always felt that the most precious thing to do for others is allowing them to be themselves, more so because so many have suffered in systems ..reduced to numbers, empty names, roles prepared by someone else ..

I can't do much better than I do . But I'm always excited on encountering 'real people' who can be actually talked to.


Time to call it a day ..

:pray:

[Agape]

I can be here or not be here

I can understand everyone's arguments but I just don't have that much time to spend trying to clear every single thing I say.

what we are dealing with here is alignment of spirits. this will happen,

it stated today and got very powerful.

the alignment will change everything
you don't need words for that.
the spirit beings will just know how to do it.

it takes space to do it.

it is simple

some how my being knows how to do this.

so I will start the alignment and the rest will know what to do.

jim


Agreed. That's completely the same for all of us .. Jim.. it's a lot about 'group communication' and internet forums as well .

I'm not good at this at all and it takes me endless time to face it .

It's not like with individual friends, seated in living room where you can explain all to better detail when required .

Yes it will take care of itself .. wishing you all the best .

We are each carrying 'the Heart of Universe' within. So be prepared no matter how well you sort yourself,
others too have to do , be helped to do , learn to help each other until.. in some 1000s of years .. better equality of experience in achieved .

[johnf]

I just want to be clear that my spidey senses have not nearly as much to do with Jim as it does others, if I didn't make that clear enough I apologize. Also, I like "strangers" and have no desire to be "alpha-male".

I value this place as somewhere that you can bring your seemingly outrageous ideas and they are directly addressed intelligently, openly, and politely. I care enough about it to express my concerns as openly and honestly as I am capable, always trusting as I can be of everyone's intentions. My intentions are to find a common reality we can agree upon.

So my aforementioned outrageous idea of the moment is this: it seems Bill and others act unlike "themselves--as I know them" when it comes to jim. I don't think I'm the only one.

Discuss

I thank you Donk for the opportunity to look at my behaivior here. I have a background in the same group as both Jimini, and Bill, (two different organizations with the same root).
I suspect I feel some favoritism to both, even though I think that there is a problem/opportunity showing up here.

It has been a big challenge for me to post on the situation until now.
I sense that what is said here and now will have bigish consequences.

I have thought a few times that Jimini should have his posts moderated before they actually show up here.
However the problem is not just coming from Jimini, people are being triggered by him, and have trouble dealing with their side of it before posting.
That task of not just checking oneself, but following through to mastering new healthier habits is a very difficult, perhaps impossible thing to do on ones own.
I have found the need to sit down privately with others who can both point out what they see in my behavior, as well as really grasp my reasons for acting that way, if I really feel that i am being heard and understood, then my thoughts beliefs, and the interface between me and
the world around me , my habits, are easier to see, and to work on.

When Bill is telling people to go easy on any member who has become a bone of contention for others, I think he is trying to uphold this environment that allows us the space to really look at who we are being, and what we are doing with that.

I have seen Bill call Jimini on a few things, and I think it will take some time and effort for Jimini to comply.
I finally did my version of that as best I could above, lets see where it goes.
If Jimini can show a change, then maybe that will open the door for these others you mention to also do some very important work.

Again the opening post comes to mind and it seem s the thread has permanently changed the topic, however what is more important, when mankind lives in harmony?
Or what can each of us do now to set things up for this greater change to happen?

Are there any small miracles in the universe?
Or is each little one just as important as the more flamboyant ones?

(I really have to give credit to Dan Millman's book, as well as the course in miracles there are no ordinary moments for those last two lines)

jf

[Tangri]

Are you really suggesting that if we disagree with something, if we believe something is wrong, we should just ignore it and go take care of our own business?

If you disagree with anything I have said about quantum theory and physics beyond the 1900s I would welcome your questions, but just be aware I do know what i am talking about!

I believe you have some obsession about 1900 s
(at 8 years old I had no scientific knowledge, but the car still did not kill me )
Accidents do not cause death all the time, sometimes just left some damages. This is a science( as a statistic)

[Tangri]

This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

I've had these sudden perceptions happen and found I was linked to a lot of entities and we were basically holding the entire planet into some kind of Super Stable Peace that could not be undone, and I could see the cities below and it was really an awesome feeling.

It turns on from time to time so If I had to make a prediction I think the awakening will happen soon and this sudden enlightenment will go world wide to various levels of awareness and it is such a state of beingness that it will not shock anyone.

it will be a very comfortable shift because it will awaken people to the reality they once had before they came here but safe and stable.

jim

I do not understand why people are waiting for some strange shaped living being is going to come from sky. As far as I know some person live over 200 years and still people kill children because of their religious or skin color now in Earth. Does not make any sense if they are humanalien or Alieneted humans. Problem and solution is here not from sky. Just eat your rice, do not try to count them when you are hungry. Cause and affect do not related with extraterrastial entities.

[mojo]

ty Sloppyjoe I went back to the first page to see if I was missing something...


This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

[eaglespirit]

ty Sloppyjoe I went back to the first page to see if I was missing something...


This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

...they land(in some way, shape or form) every day but we have to clean up our act to open communication with the ones that are related to us and here to help...and we are cleaning up our act...one person at a time, one act at a time, much more fluidly in unison now around Mother Earth. They have been helping us help ourselves for a very long time, we are simply going to make it more tangible by what we do selflessly with wisdom right in front of us. IMHO!

[jiminii]

ok when I work in electronics we have a completely different language
if you watch tom cruise in the movie TOP GUN
he walks into the night club and you see the camera pointing out the pretty girls and tom says, "this looks like a target rich environment."

and goose says, "you wear your head between your legs mav."

talk about english itself? i found that most of the teachers talk in broken English, (native speakers), and so the thai english teachers talk in broken english,

so I have to get out of habit of speaking broken english to people from talking to foreigners who came to USA. We usually talk in simple broken english

so the foreigners learn our english in broken english

So I got out of that habit and I speak to a thai English teacher who speaks english very good.

but when I talk to her she doesn't understand me. She asked the african english teacher what I said and the african speaks in broken english so she understands it

so then I figured out why she speaks very good english

she never learned the words but she learned the phrases, so it looks like she understands english very good but she doesn't.

if I answer her in regular english she completely loses it.

so then if we are going to talk religious stuff it is much easy to talk in Scientology terms and we have another completely different language.

it is just easier to talk that way because all the terms are clearly translated,

WE practically talk like gods or creators, with the word Postulate because we know we are creators and we don't use the word creators we use the word OT

so we might say, "all the OT's are up on top of the Fort Harrison Hotel trying to audit out the Hurricane,"

if we talked like that to average people they would think we are nuts. and the GOD creator idea is way over their head.

the reason is that they learned it from religion to depend on another entity to do the god like powers,

to us this is a VIA ... trying to use your powers through some god that you yourself create, because we KNOW there isn't going to be any god up there other than yourself that will listen to you or change your weather.

that is this universe, and after you learn that there is no being that will get you out of this mess and it depends only on you and your own powers you get the idea of being quite lonely and you just have to build yourself up and confront the truth of it.

why use a VIA to change weather? the VIA is handling weather through another entity that you yourself must create to handle the weather,

it is much more powerful to just handle the weather directly.

so we talk like what we know we are. but the raw public, (as we call the average people), don't think like that,

so it is really difficult to speak like a creator with average everyday language, and we have to clear the terminology at the same time.

it is like this for example

"I'll create a rain storm to water the ground", (to my father).

or the VIA "my god will create a rain storm to water the ground."

one is direct and the other is a VIA

then I have to read everyone else in their terminology that is like going into multiple versions of the english language as each person tells it using their own version of the language.

it was just much more simple to say it in language that describes all the phenomenon and so now it is very tedious to try to figure out how to say it in simple farmers language, while I have to constantly go to the dictionary to figure out what others are saying and I miss interpret what everyone else is saying too.

so if I don't understand what your eloquent language is saying then I answer it with what I thought you said.

can you see what I am saying?

jim

[ulli]

What I would like to clarify is how religions have been used by clergy to disempower the people,
thorough false interpretation or omission.

In the bible there is a statement ...in the book of Job..
thou shalt decree a thing and it shall be established unto thee.
Which is basically what you are proposing here, Jim, isn't it?
A decree is not even a plea; a decree has authority.

[jiminii]

What I would like to clarify is how religions have been used by clergy to disempower the people,
thorough false interpretation or omission.

In the bible there is a statement ...in the book of Job..
thou shalt decree a thing and it shall be established unto thee.
Which is basically what you are proposing here, Jim, isn't it?
A decree is not even a plea; a decree has authority.

that is exactly right

we have been disempowered by false data.

so we in free zone have to do false data stripping

this means we have to re-train everyone into what is the truth so they will operate on truth and not false data.

jim

[jagman]

this means we have to re-train everyone into what is the truth so they will operate on truth and not false data.

jim

What happens to the ones that can not be re-trained jim?

[Bill Ryan]

ty Sloppyjoe I went back to the first page to see if I was missing something...


This thread is for those who are curios about when those in the stars will land and bring us back into that system up there in the stars.

Made me laugh! :)





So I got out of that habit and I speak to a thai English teacher who speaks english very good.



You mean "who speaks English very WELL"!

[mod hat on]
Jim, I'm going to close this thread in 24 hours unless you can bring it back on topic in some kind of a straight line. It's skidding all over the road and may already have landed in the ditch!

Forum principles 101:


The thread title (which in this case was set by yourself) determines the topic to be discussed.
A forum is not a freewheeling chat room. Threads have topics for a reason, and are not just convenient grab-the-first-opportunity-you-see locations to say anything anyone happens to feel like at the time. That serves zero purpose and will soon turn any forum to unorganized chaos.
If someone responding is off topic, then either ignore it or bring it back on topic (TR4). Don't respond to their off-topic response and take it even further off-topic.
Less is often more.
Keep the signal-to-noise ratio HIGH all the time.

All members have a responsibility for this. There is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT STUFF HAPPENING IN THE WORLD AT THE MOMENT and (in my opinion) we don't have the luxury of much slack for messing around.

Jim -- that includes you. With the best will in the world, and I say this with respect, you sure do add a lot of noise to the signals. :)

:focus: ...or I will close the thread.

[thunder24]

Some people believe they are on earth to learn lessons, some think they are here to teach lessons,
some people see earth as a prison, and accept their sentence, and behave themselves in the hope
of getting out early, and others believe with certainty that this is an eternal trap, and the only answer is to attempt escape.
And who is to know which of these view points is the true one?
And who will deny another person their view point?


Im trying to figure out WTF...

I don't be-live any of it, other than im more than physical...


Do any of you wanna work together? Do yall understand that? physically meet up and do something...together... in person...

Cause Ill b damned if words of communication ain't caused all kinds of hell up in here.

Do you wanna work together or not?

Are some of yall -IN-filtrators causing ****, and monitoring...yes.... and you can help too.. ****ing factions of bull**** broke down into molecules of bovine feces/ ****... how many ways to say it?

Can we agree we want the planet to b clean and the life here to flourish? can we agree freedom has been suppressed, tech has been suppressed, knowledge has been suppressed, that your "spirit" has been suppressed? did these hit you, these simple words, well then let it percolate in your neurological being... ?and come together...what do you have to loose?


Is our problem that we can't agree on whats wrong,or we can't communicate with each other....? WTF

YOU WANT A BETTER WORLD, BE THE DIFFERENCE!!! WTF... "DO SOMETHING!"

these ain't directed at ulli or anyone in particular.....its directed at ALL YA'LL!!!
PEACE

:focus: HOW would you know if they landed and were fer ya or against ya?

[Kindling]

Buc I thought I told you to stay in the truck!!!

[thunder24]

My bad kind ling...
but you know hillbillies are hard headed...

Buc I thought I told you to stay in the truck!!!

[Kindling]

:hug:Lol Thunder!! :behindsofa:

[gripreaper]

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[jiminii]

this means we have to re-train everyone into what is the truth so they will operate on truth and not false data.

jim

What happens to the ones that can not be re-trained jim?

change that to re-educate
anyway back on topic

jim

[Jake]

this means we have to re-train everyone into what is the truth so they will operate on truth and not false data.

jim

What happens to the ones that can not be re-trained jim?



change that to re-educate
anyway back on topic

jim

Jim,, can YOU be retrained/re-educated with regards truth?? Truth is in the eye of the beholder, and can/will change from sentient to sentient. Are you willing to surrender what YOU know,,, if you come across a broader taste of truth? No straight lines, no fixed points.

Love to you.
Jake

[thunder24]

you won't b invited to the sub-forum?



this means we have to re-train everyone into what is the truth so they will operate on truth and not false data.

jim

What happens to the ones that can not be re-trained jim?

[donk]

Back on what topic?

Can I kindly have my last two posts on this thread moved to a new "break-off" thread and possibly addressed?

I apologize for having interrupted the flow of the thread and posting completely off-topic, however I would like to start them as a new topic.

[judymoon]

Thank you SilentFeathers for taking the time to post so comprehensively what a lot of others are thinking.

Yes, thank you. I think a lot of us have been silenced by the overwhelming blast of jimini's posts, claims, and verbage...much of it incomprehensible and unenlightening. And Bill's equally incomprehensible and insistent protection of Jimini. I have stated my opinion on this a couple times, and won't again. Hopefully we won't lose the more grounded and centered members of this forum (some of whom have already stopped posting).

These kinds of claims, on this kind of forum need to be balanced out by more circumspect members.

Extraordinary experiences happen to many of us. Sharing them is fun and sometimes enlightening.

But it's not an indication of someones spiritual accomplisments. Those are private and personal and hard-won. Often thay are a by-product of spiritual work. A spiritual teacher will tell you that they are best observed and let go, as the ego loves that kind of power and it can easily side-track you away from your work.

[jiminii]

I think we can kill the thread bill
I will go work on the sub forum
where we can not be interrupted so much

jim

[skippy]

Back on what topic?

Can I kindly have my last two posts on this thread moved to a new "break-off" thread and possibly addressed?

I apologize for having interrupted the flow of the thread and posting completely off-topic, however I would like to start them as a new topic.

:) I think this is a great thread and should continue in the general section. No need to break off in a seperate sub-forum. We are all Learning here.. Nobody excluded :)

[jiminii]

this means we have to re-train everyone into what is the truth so they will operate on truth and not false data.

jim

What happens to the ones that can not be re-trained jim?



change that to re-educate
anyway back on topic

jim

Jim,, can YOU be retrained/re-educated with regards truth?? Truth is in the eye of the beholder, and can/will change from sentient to sentient. Are you willing to surrender what YOU know,,, if you come across a broader taste of truth? No straight lines, no fixed points.

Love to you.
Jake
I am here to get re-educated too

been in my own world handling the planet my way up to now so I just have to get updated on what else is happening and sort out what is and what isn't

jim

[jiminii]

I am aware of the upper levels in free zone and I would not know how to compare these to other philosophies that I haven't studied.

I have tested them in Scientology and they work.

these are not abilities that you get from the current CoS but they are more similar to those in Free Zone..

The current CoS does not have them since the take over they have no ability to get them

those that broke off from CoS continued with obtaining the upper levels.

They are similar to my abilities and I had them before I joined CoS

I did not obtain them from any processing I got from CoS because they prevented me from getting trained and processed. I was only processed on simple communication drills that's it,

My thoughts were proven to be Senior to their highest Organization at the Flag Land Base in Clearwater Florida

The only other group that closely comes near to the abilities I have is from the Free Zone and my knowledge of future and etc was NOT OBTAINED from any religion on this planet. It came from my own perceptions and Ron's Org only verified it.

So where did I get all these abilities. I haven't found it anywhere else on the planet. It may be there. I just haven't found it,

there are things I already did that happened so fast that others on this forum recognized what I did and told me in pm.

so they are all asking me to SLOW DOWN and I am trying to slow down but slowing down doesn't mean I have to slow down my abilities, because from my awareness I am literally handling keeping the planet from being enslaved. I just have to slow down my threads and let people ask questions that's all.

Things I put my attention on just gets handled like Syria. This doesn't mean others aren't contributing too, it only means I am aware of it.

There is all these entities I am interconnected to and we somehow are communicating from the spirit only. The body part of us can't see this but we are like a huge team interconnected throughout the planet. the reason the bodies are not aware of it is because it could jeopardize our mission

so people try to ask me to prove stuff. well how long has everyone been working on Syria until I came in and put my attention on it. just be truthful. what 10 years problems there??? and in a very short time I put my attention on it the problems start to disappear.

do you understand why?

anything in this physical universe can be vanished by perfect duplication, So all this being, (that is my higher self), has to do is LOOK and it is capable of vanishing the problem.

I can't explain it in farmers language but if you are interested in learning how it works you need to read the phoenix lectures.

jim

[Dorjezigzag]

Are you really suggesting that if we disagree with something, if we believe something is wrong, we should just ignore it and go take care of our own business?

If you disagree with anything I have said about quantum theory and physics beyond the 1900s I would welcome your questions, but just be aware I do know what i am talking about!


I believe you have some obsession about 1900 s
(at 8 years old I had no scientific knowledge, but the car still did not kill me )
Accidents do not cause death all the time, sometimes just left some damages. This is a science( as a statistic)

Let me explain this slowly for you
You make a claim that I have an obsession with the 1900s
If you analyse the complete body of my posts, using scientific discipline since I have been on this forum, you will see that i have mentioned the 1900s very few times

Therefore you made an unscientific unsubstantiated claim, which attacks my character.

Unfortunately this is often the so called science of today twisting analyses to back up an opinion or agenda of those involved

The reason I mention the 1900s or what is also termed as the 20th century is that this was a time when quantum theory and relativity came into our culture and society, Science now appreciates that the laws of Physics are not as absolute and fixed as many of the so called 'Left brained and rational' people on this forum would have us believe,

This was a time when the whole concept of reality was blown to smithereens and we still have not recovered from this.

Suggested mainstream reading for those of a scientific persuasion, so that they can get up to date with their so called scientific knowledge,

Einstein of course, Pauli, Heisenberg( no not the one from breaking bad), Plank and more recently Frank Wilczek, who has an excellent book The lightness of being.

For a psychological view on this Jung is extremely rewarding, I suggest those that keep on attacking so called right brained people may wish to look into Jungs shadow work.

Let me also explain the anomaly of my accident, usually the whole front of a car is not caved in and is no longer drive -able when it hits a pedestrian, perhaps if it hits another car but not a pedestrian, usually it is the pedestrian that is damaged or killed. This is not usual because a car is harder and faster than a human, this can be scientifically proven through analyses of materials.

In my incident this was reversed, which is worthy of scientific investigation, which I can assure you it was

Hope this helps those so called left brainers to help them begin to get in touch with the right side of their brains, and find some balance, of left right, yin, yang etc etc and discover their infinite potential;)

Funily enough I actually think that this does relate to the thread title, like as discussed in the lightness of being we are now realising that materiality and light(spirit) are not so seperate.

The spirit has always been manifesting on earth, now science is also realizing this.

The eagle has landed! But it can also fly

[Agape]

Forum principles 101:


The thread title (which in this case was set by yourself) determines the topic to be discussed.
A forum is not a freewheeling chat room. Threads have topics for a reason, and are not just convenient grab-the-first-opportunity-you-see locations to say anything anyone happens to feel like at the time. That serves zero purpose and will soon turn any forum to unorganized chaos.
If someone responding is off topic, then either ignore it or bring it back on topic (TR4). Don't respond to their off-topic response and take it even further off-topic.
Less is often more.
Keep the signal-to-noise ratio HIGH all the time.

All members have a responsibility for this. There is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT STUFF HAPPENING IN THE WORLD AT THE MOMENT and (in my opinion) we don't have the luxury of much slack for messing around.




Bill :wave:

please kindly notice we are sentient beings . You seem to have developed computer like intelligence in your brain that is organising the forum.

We are not 'threads' , 'topics' , 'members' and 'numbers of posts' as our prime definition , never will be .

Brain does not work in such a compartmentalised way, neither does life or forum.

Global problems are still bigger than that , they too require fusion of data, engagement of seemingly contradictory views and opinions ,
and most importantly .. relieving the tension , removing the 'killer zones' , insensitive drone like zones where no life can flourish for time being.

That's why , sometimes, we talk to each other . I hope and wish that you don't find it strange .

There is one person you seem to be interested here ( Jim in this case ) and are helping him out, that's great .

I'd not notice that he would do 'bad' on the forum.

I don't think that I'm turning 'too relaxed' when posting here,
it's mostly the other way around.

Is the forum meant to make us uncomfortable ?

With stress I last experienced ( on that frequency in 3rd grade ) when I received note from our teacher that 'she ate apple on another break time than allowed' ?

The issue was not me, the apple or someone complaining, the issue was head teacher and mother likewise who enjoyed being in full control and perceived every form of 'other than dictated' behaviour as form of disrespect , an offence, almost a crime .
The adults, of course, laughed about that note heartily in backgrounds . While they made us children feel like potential criminals .

You see 'threads' , I also see 'threads' but I more often see 'people' .

While I agree with those 'general rules' that every kid today is able to discern as soon as they are literate and we're speaking here to advanced entities whom we consider each other ,
more often else we would not CARE to speak to them ,

and then I hear from your backgrounds repeatedly, 'ignore the question' , and 'don't answer to her' , 'ignore her' , 'he does not understand it well' ,

as if no one here had enough knowledge or IQs to understand each other ?


More you try to control the debate , less interesting , less intelligent it's going to be .

I don't even see where items like 'threads' would be someones 'property' even if they started them, they are essentially, property of the owner . Maybe I'm getting you right now ?
This all is your property , it was hard to build and we are also as 'members' a property and that's why, either we do as asked or will be deleted .

I'm getting it. I just need to think about it bit more because it somehow all goes against my intelligence and freedom mentality and I feel very bad for standing at someones crosshairs at all time .


Regards :angel:

[RunningDeer]

Forum principles 101:


The thread title (which in this case was set by yourself) determines the topic to be discussed.
A forum is not a freewheeling chat room. Threads have topics for a reason, and are not just convenient grab-the-first-opportunity-you-see locations to say anything anyone happens to feel like at the time. That serves zero purpose and will soon turn any forum to unorganized chaos.
If someone responding is off topic, then either ignore it or bring it back on topic (TR4). Don't respond to their off-topic response and take it even further off-topic.
Less is often more.
Keep the signal-to-noise ratio HIGH all the time.


Thanks, Bill. This is helpful to read. I'd not want to recall the number of times, I've gone over the line, especially #2. I will be mindful of this list.

Peace,
Paula :wave:

[RunningDeer]

Forum principles 101:


The thread title (which in this case was set by yourself) determines the topic to be discussed.
A forum is not a freewheeling chat room. Threads have topics for a reason, and are not just convenient grab-the-first-opportunity-you-see locations to say anything anyone happens to feel like at the time. That serves zero purpose and will soon turn any forum to unorganized chaos.
If someone responding is off topic, then either ignore it or bring it back on topic (TR4). Don't respond to their off-topic response and take it even further off-topic.
Less is often more.
Keep the signal-to-noise ratio HIGH all the time.


Thanks, Bill. This is helpful to read. I'd not want to recall the number of times, I've gone over the line, especially #2. I will be mindful of this list.

Peace,
Paula :wave:

UPDATE: I'm seeing things in black and white at the moment. I'm feeling limited as to when and how to post. Still needs to settle in my understanding of it all.

[Limor Wolf]

One of the more interesting aspects of an internet forum and especially this one where inteligent people are having an inteligent conversations is the sheer diversity of all participants and where everyone sees things in their own interpretation. That creates a mix of slight confusions and sometimes issues are getting a bit carried away. We are complex beings :)

And we want them to land, Mmm..

[Mike]

the question is: who are "they"? until we answer that, i'm not sure we can intelligently decide if we truly want them to land or not. we are so eager to label them "good" or "bad", but it's likely they are just as complex as we are; and we are, as Limor just pointed out, pretty complex;) I'm quite certain that any interaction would be extremely bizarre.

their logic and reasoning systems may be completely different than ours, and without this base of commonality things could get very weird very quickly. and I use "their" very loosely, as I do not want to lump all the extraterrestrial groups into one group called "aliens". "they" are likely as varied and idiosyncratic as the fish in our oceans. we're dealing with many different species here, it would seem to me.

there are so many "ifs" and " buts" that I have a hard time approaching the topic without getting dizzy. and the ramifications are endless for them. I mean, what sane species wants to tie up their karma with the human race? if they all turned around and went right back home I could hardly blame them.

[donk]

I feel like I am insane.

Anyone else who had a post removed for being off topic, raise their hand.

Oh I see Jim's isn't up. That's because he told me that Bill told him that his (and mine) post was not removed because it (they) were off topic, as Bill told me directly, but rather it was the emotionally charged subject matter, which just by it's mere mention can be damaging to some people.

I choose not to remove the offending item that was in the post that was removed, which I included in my lengthy post a few pages back, I just don't believe that those dreaded three characters damage anyone just by reading them, and feel it is creepy there are things Jim would have me believe that Bill thinks that we are not able to "handle".

Also, am I remembering correctly Bill asserting the thread would be closed if it wasn't brought "on topic"? And didn't I see the original poster asking it be closed? And yet here I post, wondering when exactly it was I woke up to find myself in bizarro-Avalon...

[davyj0nes]

Maybe there is a way Jimini can write about his experiences without having other members getting upset, or confused. There are a lot of 'technical terms' that i don't understand, but maybe if there was some kind of formula or form of writing that could make it easier for us to understand. Maybe like answering the 5W's and 1H (who, what, when, where, why, how) like in journalism class.
That is just an idea i've had, but maybe there is a better way.
:unsure:

[Sierra]

Mods not moving fast enough for you Donk?

Sorry, friend, we're tired, and several people are taking a break.

Thread closed.