Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people

[grapevine]

I'm finding this thread totally fascinating and can't wait to read what is written next, although I haven't watched all the videos yet and will come back to them if I can keep up. Thank you so much.

What I would like to know, and I don't think there's been a comprehensive list, is just what constitutes "exceptional psychic abilities". I have oob experiences but they are involuntary and uncontrolled and I end up in strange places, so I do not therefore consider it to be an exceptional ability. EXCEPT they serve as proof to me that there are abilities outside the norm. I can sometimes also tap into a person who is walking in front of me but only pick up a feeling of weight or mood, not thoughts or anything else.

So what is considered to be an "exceptional" psychic ability? Does anyone here, for instance, have the ability to be in two places at the same time?

[donk]

Carmody, I have a question...and it kinda ties into the direction I hope the thread's moving:


I claim to have made approx 4000 people SIT DOWN, at the peak of a given concert, when the rest of the crowd was standing (+50,000 people). (among other instances)

I have zero doubt in my mind you (& other "exceptional" people) are able to do this...but what gives you the right? Isn't that some sort of violation of others' free will?

Also: who's to say there's not someone MORE exceptional, compelling you to "choose" to do that, without you realizing?

[Roisin]

Windmill.... There are different levels of "exceptional abilities". It's like that for everything so why should it be different in this case too?

Uri Geller is known to have bi-lated a few times. And then there's Padre Pio, of course, who is known to bi-locate a number of times too. Both of them have/had other exceptional abilities... the kind that they could do demonstrations of.... which they have done/did on an ongoing basis. So it's safe to say that those who have extraordinary abilities that are at the top of the pyramid, also possess less impressive abilities right on down the line to the bottom of it.

But this would not be the same case for someone who has only bi-located once.... where it never happened again. In that case it was a fluke but nevertheless, they most likely DO have a number of abilities that start off at a certain level and on down to the kind of stuff most people can do too. I believe that the potential is there for ALL of us to reach the summit if one is motivated enough to get there. :)

The above information is just my own opinion and nothing more.

[minkton]

I'm interested to know how you can have a guru with no agenda.. what is the work or purpose of a guru, without any path to walk?


That was precisely the point and you nailed it!


How do you plan to evolve.. or .. no plan to evolve.... due to no agenda? Do explain please! thankyu.

I have always felt that what you do with a guru, is seek to progress.

Yep.

You know how people work out at a gym for a long while and poodle along nicely, then they get a personal trainer for a while and suddenly they actually look fit .... being your own guru is a perfect way of confirming your own egoic preferences, day after day after day, and telling yourself your working out... inconvenient, but true, I'm afraid.

[RunningDeer]

have the ability to be in two places at the same time?

Mid-1980’s, I was on my way to meditation class that was reschedule on a day I went to a healing service. I was in conflict but picked the meditation class which was an exit away from the other. Still torn with my decision and bewildered, I pulled over stared up at the stars.

My body felt relaxed and heavy. Then was aware of the time, 6:50 p.m., a few moments ways from my 7:00 p.m. meditation class. I felt disoriented and confused by my indecision. During meditation I had the experience of two places at once. One eye watch a black and white movie of a 1860’s lifetime where I was a deaf mute blonde boy, living on a farm with my mother, who is the same one in this lifetime. While the other eye watched these tall totem people. I wasn’t afraid of them just surprised how tall they were. The main leader spoke to me through mind.

It wasn’t until the following week that I found out the rest of the story. At the healing service, a man asked if I’ve been experiencing any troubles lately. I told him no. He went on to explain he has the ability to see people that bi-locate. And I was in the room during last weeks service and it was about 6:50 p.m.

[RunningDeer]

I have zero doubt in my mind you (& other "exceptional" people) are able to do this...but what gives you the right? Isn't that some sort of violation of others' free will?

They still have free will. Even better with awareness. This is an example of the lady's free will vs. my free will + awareness:


Repost: "My Big Pajama Pants"

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/big_pajamas2.jpg


While I was sick, I had a chance to exercise my natural gifts. Unaware of the power of the flu, I used up my small size bottle of DayQuil. Unwilling to change out of my big pajama pants, my solution was to drive one town over to the CVS, a quick shop drugstore. You know, the place where there are four registers and only one is ever open. Where it’s one line, with five people holding themselves up with shopping carts filled with GMO food stuffs and other sundries.

Well, that day, the flu and I were in sync with the natural laws of abundance. No line, and only few customers in the store. I speed walked to the isle and on the way back there’s a woman bee-lining down the main aisle towards the register, with a carriage filled with a sh!t load of sh!t.

So here’s where I merged my powers of persuasion with her natural inclination to shop and shop. I visualized her stopping mid-way to hav-a-look at whatever the aisle had to feed her shopping frenzy. That 2 second stall netted me a first place at the register. Booyah!


free will + awareness 'trumps' free will
choice(s) on both sides of the equation

[RunningDeer]

But this would not be the same case for someone who has only bi-located once.... where it never happened again. In that case it was a fluke.

Hi Roisin,

fluke 1 |flo͞ok|
noun
unlikely chance occurrence, esp. a surprising piece of luck

Because fluke is not in my vocabulary, rather than either/or, I'd offer one more possibility. Bilocation is happening, but the novice or one that is not ready to call it their own, mislabels it déjà vu, bodily sensation, and vivid imagination.

It’s not important enough to go beyond little nudges of encouragement. But when it’s time for it to kick in, s/he’ll open to the conscious possibility.

Peace,
Paula :wave:

[Roisin]

That makes sense Paula and thanks for pointing that out! I agree! ;)

[Chester]

I'm finding this thread totally fascinating and can't wait to read what is written next, although I haven't watched all the videos yet and will come back to them if I can keep up. Thank you so much.

What I would like to know, and I don't think there's been a comprehensive list, is just what constitutes "exceptional psychic abilities". I have oob experiences but they are involuntary and uncontrolled and I end up in strange places, so I do not therefore consider it to be an exceptional ability. EXCEPT they serve as proof to me that there are abilities outside the norm. I can sometimes also tap into a person who is walking in front of me but only pick up a feeling of weight or mood, not thoughts or anything else.

So what is considered to be an "exceptional" psychic ability? Does anyone here, for instance, have the ability to be in two places at the same time?

99.99% of the folks I encounter every day recognize far less than you have recognized about yourself that relates to psi abilities. I see you as exceptional.

[donk]

free will + awareness 'trumps' free will
choice(s) on both sides of the equation

Agreed. And I find it concerning.

So now I am asking: what are the consequences of using your awareness to impose on another's will? Of exercising your free will in that manner where your awareness trumps their free will?

[Flash]

You are playing a mind game Donk, is this useful? this is not at all what was being done, using one's free will to trumps their free will. And you know it. This has little importance, it was just a plain Learning lesson for all involved, at the conscious or unconscious level. And you know this Donk.

[Roisin]

I'm finding this thread totally fascinating and can't wait to read what is written next, although I haven't watched all the videos yet and will come back to them if I can keep up. Thank you so much.

What I would like to know, and I don't think there's been a comprehensive list, is just what constitutes "exceptional psychic abilities". I have oob experiences but they are involuntary and uncontrolled and I end up in strange places, so I do not therefore consider it to be an exceptional ability. EXCEPT they serve as proof to me that there are abilities outside the norm. I can sometimes also tap into a person who is walking in front of me but only pick up a feeling of weight or mood, not thoughts or anything else.

So what is considered to be an "exceptional" psychic ability? Does anyone here, for instance, have the ability to be in two places at the same time?

99.99% of the folks I encounter every day recognize far less than you have recognized about yourself that relates to psi abilities. I see you as exceptional.

Yes, this is a very sensitive issue. Some people get prickly when someone says they have an special/ exceptional ability. Especially the ones who don't think that they themselves have any special ability who wouldn't mind having one. But once again, we all have them but until we develop those latent abilities that we DO have, they will never know that they themselves have them too. Then there are those ones who have a special ability but it irks them that others can do the same thing too. It's like it's a blow to their ego that there are others who can do the same thing where maybe the other person is even better at it than they are. For people like that, they go around with a chip on their shoulder and will nit-pic at the other persons' ability to diminish it in someway. I've definitely seen a lot of competition between those who have the same skill... or those with different abilities too... each trying to one up the other so they can be at the top of the heap. Go to any paranormal forum and you'll see that kind of thing going on all the time. Many of those who are at the same level of some kind of an ability will form a clique and gang up on anybody who’s more talented than they are. It’s like they want to establish a standard of development for any particular ability and anyone whose ability is beyond what theirs is, is targeted and ganged up on . I’ve been there myself so I know what THAT’S like.
This is just another reason why those with advanced abilities stay out of those forums.

[Delight]

I don't know if anyone watched this video here?

http://blip.tv/rabbit-hole-central/d...se-pt-3-131665

Quote Divine Blessings or Earthly Abuse? pt 3


Part three of interview by Alan Steinfeld with Ullrich Zimmermann on his sexual encounters with Satya Sai Baba and subsequent spiritual experiences. A study into the Great Work, the God Within and the problematic role of the Guru.

The thread is about exceptional abilities. An emphasis was placed in the interview on power. Ability takes power. There is an esoteric teaching advises we become innocent and harmless and that state of being taps the greatest power. I believe that makes sense. I associate innocence with authentically being one self.

It might be that being authentic could include misusing power? But maybe there is a failsafe of balance so that one cannot overstep a limit of misuse?

At the moment, I feel very uplifted by all the voices reiterating that some of us are here to be artists of our lives and develop the kind of beingness who accesses exceptional power through intention to just be oneself.

The young man noticed one particular aspect of Sai Baba..he was not physically vibrant. He was later ill and then died.

Many people seem to be able to use energy. The vitality in themselves that demonstrates as vibrant health and inner generated healing is missing. This is just not coherent IMO.

The lack of coherence is proof to me that whatever source of this instruction, it falls flat. There are thought forms involved. In fact the creation of thought forms is a teaching of many traditions...they take on a life and we may be controlled by powerful ones.

I met a great spiritual leader named "Daskalos" Stylianos Atteshlis. His school is one that traces lineage to early Christianity. He lived in Cyprus and he taught a body of work that is very esoteric. When I met him, he did not glow with health and joy. He seemed very sad and diffident. What thought forms was he really engaging?He developed diabetes and later had a stroke. Then he died after being in a period of disability.

That is not sensible to me?

I believe the people of power may be getting confused. The trap of alliance with thoughtforms that sieve off the innate physical vitality without replenishing seems to express "Stop" signs. What REALLY is that about to heal others and deny oneself?

It seems more wise to commit to life experience showing abundance. Our connection to our own power takes nothing away from anyone in anyway and yet benefits because of an overflow of the vast Universal stream.

If I become very strong in my own EGOIC being: health, abundance, beauty and majesty that exists and that I see around me is shown in me. This praises creator.

Paths that are supporting the personal revelation of self and ability to create value in this life as a spiritualized body mind trumps. The reason it trumps is that fractally, as we master experience, it spreads naturally to all.

The Universe is very much supportive of us demonstrating ourselves and shining. I observe that some "Avatars" have demonstrated covering themselves back up in illusions. There seems a huge trap in believing oneself a world savior.

More than ever we can take back the powerpack we access and turn on our switches.

My prayer is that we all experience the epitome of the incredible beauty that we as humans ARE now and always.

Observe where your power is coming and going and it gets very interesting.

I like that phrase "let the dead bury the dead". To me it means that some great beings become deadened unfortunately by starvation form their own source.
They need get well cards, not allegiance.

[Christine]

donk,

Such good questions and worthy of deep examination. I would suggest that since you are asking them you are ready to find your own answers.

I can give you my experiential data as Paula and others have done. In sharing with you it is only to deepen the understanding as we go forward. So allow me some time for my own musings on such a question.

I tend more and more to see the Self, the World (earth plane), cosmos, and extending out into the universe as an energetic construction or as manifest consciousness. As we understand more and more the holographic nature of our existence the questions you ask can be understood, not from a humanistic moral point of view, but from a cosmic point of view.

First I would say that we are all consciously or unconsciously exercising our "free will", the problems of course arise when another consciously and malevolently manipulates another being's "free will" into doing what they want to impose. All you have to do is examine the state of our world.. .. those dirty secrets are in plain view. From the rape of our planet to the implementation of a police state.

So what do we do? How do we break free and in the process free all BEings that are trapped in the matrix of manipulation? We awaken, become aware and therefore consciously exercise our Free Will and start to change the dynamic.

You can not get away from the fact that as consciousness you are influencing the Holograph... you either accept your responsibility as a Free Will plus Awareness or you succumb to the imposition.

My deepest answer is that one MUST eject all selfish egoistic concerns as they enter into a more aware consciousness... Let me put it this way, my Free Will is equal to the respect I have for the Free Will of all LIFE Forms so when I work WITH them I search for a harmonic and resonance that liberates and doesn't enslave. As we enter a more TRUE understanding and consciousness of who we are we accept our responsibility and virtually Bring the LIGHT of awareness to what ever shaded area we look to. So in that way I would say AWARENESS (not ego, but the big awareness of ALL) plus my free will to be of service will trump the deluded free will of those who would desecrate or willfully manipulate another to serve them.

For mySelf I have no concern in how this operates. I have done plenty of imposing in my past, I understand the corruption of "power over" so my "soul" can no longer participate. It gets pretty simple in the end.

With respect and love,
Christine



free will + awareness 'trumps' free will
choice(s) on both sides of the equation

Agreed. And I find it concerning.

So now I am asking: what are the consequences of using your awareness to impose on another's will? Of exercising your free will in that manner where your awareness trumps their free will?

[RunningDeer]

free will + awareness 'trumps' free will
choice(s) on both sides of the equation

Agreed. And I find it concerning.

So now I am asking: what are the consequences of using your awareness to impose on another's will? Of exercising your free will in that manner where your awareness trumps their free will?

Hi Donk,

I can only speak for myself. I don’t impose on another’s free will nor do I allow another to impose on mine. There are unlimited possibilities as to the choices and which direction the outcomes go. Awareness narrows them down.

One of Light does not chose to usurp another’s free will. That is part of my responsibility as an evolving being. Also, if there’s a need to impose it, as you imply, i.e., black-white-think, that means I look outside myself to empower the situation. Namely, I don’t have enough within. Which is a FALSE BELIEF. There’s an innate knowing one is made of teflon.

My awareness for free will comes from developing it through knowledge and practice. That’s ONE reason why I am here at this time, in this duality experience. It is to learn every facet of who I am which includes to uncover and streamline natural gifts....as is everyone. That second part is important, too. We are teacher/student mirrors for one another.

The very fact we live and breath means we are all choosing and will’ing’. Whether it’s through passive, aggressive, passive-aggressive, aware or unaware means. Don’t kid yourself, it goes on. It’s your job to decided how you want to interchange. Boundaries. No. Yes. Not that. Yes, that.


I chose power over force.
Knowledge is power.
Awareness increases power.
Increased power = Light uncovered.
Sovereign Being
Peace to Donk,
Paula :wave:

[donk]

You are playing a mind game Donk, is this useful? this is not at all what was being done, using one's free will to trumps their free will. And you know it. This has little importance, it was just a plain Learning lesson for all involved, at the conscious or unconscious level. And you know this Donk.

Asking direct questions in an open forum is a "mind game"? And I know it??

What mind game is that, pray tell? The one where I get people to think about the implications of these powers people seem to having trouble deciding if they exist?

I state my intentions clearly, as always. I am asking valid questions that Christine lauds below--why are you making accusations that I am somehow being manipulative?

As I said, I believe in these powers. I believe they can be manipulated and used by others for less benevolent purposes and less benevolent people than Paula and Carmody when I wrote them.

So to answer your question, I think it would be very useful to be the many sensitive and vulnerable, the people strong in these powers, to think about the questions I asked, so they'd have this greater awareness that appears to me by the descriptions on this thread to be an evolutionary advantage to be used in your favor.

I feel it is extremely useful to at least have disclaimers and discussions (such as my posts attempt to generate--call that a mind game if you want) in discussion of this very REAL topic to point out that we are actually discussing the exact tools of intra-species predation .

I understand Carmody and Paula's examples are not that, all my purpose is to get people to take some of these ideas a little further, rather than keep their awareness at the lower level you seem to be (to me) defending.

No mind games in my book, I clearly stated my intent and beliefs: I am trying to bring light to what I feel is a dark area, raising the awareness of those I truly care about, in hopes they protect themselves from becoming the prey of "exceptional abilities"

[soleil]

hey donk...if i might add. i typically like to drive/cruise along. i prefer to have peoplepass me than ride my behind. so most if not always i take MY awareness and share the thought of passing me. now, they dont always pass me. but 95% they do.i can and do safely assume that is THEIR OWN free will CHOOSING to pass. all i did was hint at it. does that make sense?

whatever consequences there are....are tied to their free will, its not mine MAKING the decision for the,. usually people just think it was THEIR idea

[william r sanford72]

Donk.christine..and wonderful Paula...answerd and voiced a major concern for me.donk was able to put into words what couldnt or didnt have the balls to ask.the reason i find myself NOT using my abilitys was for the reasons donk and a few others voiced.if i cant control it.then maybe i shouldnt bee using it.or at the very least seek guidance.inside and out.also.Can our focused intent groups..that energy is very real..can it bee harvested..and used for dark purpose without our awareness.even syphoned.theses thoughts and feelings have been rolling around for awhile.glad to see them on the thread.and being addressed.Feel they are most important and relevant.thank you.truth always.william.

[Roisin]

WRT Donks inquiries on this.

I think it's best to take each ability as it comes up and when it comes to those who have an ability in the mind control category, if there was ever a good one to ask those who have it to share with us their insights on when to use it and and when not to use it .... mind control is that ability. Ethics and personal responsibility certainly comes to the forefront especially for this type of skill and talent.

I certainly know those who abuse that talent too but Carmody's example about influencing his audience like that is amusing and completely benign. But anyone who wants to know more about what it's like to have such an ability will naturally ask that person about when to use it when not to.
If someone comes on here to tell us what they can do, they should expect that people will want to know more about it. In this case, asking someone who's good at mind control and where they draw the line on that as far as what's ethical or not would come up in any ongoing conversation wrt to someone who has it.

But everybody is different. If that person is insulted by such a question like that then that's their own thing and not you. Just shrug it off and let be. Don't try to figure it out... just let it be.

But fortunately when it comes to Carmody's case, just by reading over his posts we know that he's put a lot of effort into his own spiritual development. So that should give us a clue that he practices his ability with moral and ethical responsibility. If people didn't think that, then he wouldn't be at this forum in the first place.

[RunningDeer]

Donk.christine..and wonderful Paula...answerd and voiced a major concern for me. Donk was able to put into words what couldnt or didnt have the balls to ask. The reason i find myself NOT using my abilitys was for the reasons donk and a few others voiced. If i cant control it, then maybe i shouldnt be using it, or at the very least seek guidance inside and out.

Also, can our focused intent groups..that energy is very real..can it bee harvested..and used for dark purpose without our awareness. Even syphoned.theses thoughts and feelings have been rolling around for awhile.

Glad to see them on the thread, and being addressed. Feel they are most important and relevant. thank you. truth always. william.

Thank you, William and Donk for asking the hard questions.

Energy is. Energy is neither good or bad. It is we that make the choice on how to use it.

Dark ones have no more power than Light ones. It’s we, the actors, that give them more when we audition or purchase tickets to their illusionary play.

And, yes, it is in part because of the alterations of food, water, air, technology, and giving over to their trickery. But, in 3D duality, there are counters to everything. It is my belief that question and answers come in bundles. And at another level they are one in the same because it’s Life at play.

A Master can give a flawless notion. If we are not ‘fit’ to contain it, then it’s lost. ‘Fit’ as in dispel false beliefs, and do the things that raise our energies, so we see that this is all BS. By us active in discovery of how to tweak our natural abilities, then we’ll warp out of this duality phase.

We are here to engage life impeccably. As we do, we lighten in countless ways.

Peace and heart,
Paula

[Roisin]

Wow! The insights that are being shared in this thread are truly mind boggling! All of you, thanks so much for sharing and I'm learning something new each day this thread continues! :grouphug:

[RunningDeer]

You are playing a mind game Donk, is this useful? this is not at all what was being done, using one's free will to trumps their free will. And you know it. This has little importance, it was just a plain Learning lesson for all involved, at the conscious or unconscious level. And you know this Donk.

“...As I said, I believe in these powers. I believe they can be manipulated and used by others for less benevolent purposes and less benevolent people than Paula and Carmody when I wrote them.”

“... my purpose is to get people to take some of these ideas a little further, rather than keep their awareness at the lower level ...”

“No mind games in my book, I clearly stated my intent and beliefs: I am trying to bring light to what I feel is a dark area, raising the awareness of those I truly care about, in hopes they protect themselves from becoming the prey of "exceptional abilities"

Hi Donk,

For the record, I’ve only read your urgency for what needs to be uncovered and for no other reason. Your posts are consistent and written with clarity. I chock it up to the strange energies and dynamics at this time.

My solution to “less benevolent purposes” is counter balance with the truth of who we are. By my sharing slices of experience, it is my hope that people custom design their techniques or it triggers remembrance of their innate abilities.

If I impart only one idea: cool things happen because I know they do. So more and more come my way. What I once called miracles, are ordinary events.

Because of the on-going upgrades in our body technology, belief systems, and willingness to take it to the next level, we continue. It’s happening all the time, and all around. Time to hitch a ride. Awareness triggers the quickening.

With heart,
Paula :wave:

[Shezbeth]

A friend had her arm injured by carelessness in spiritual warfare. A massage therapist by trade, she depended on making her appointments. I successfully healed the injury. I wanted to show her a greater level of human potential. Instead, she learned that someone else will save her from her carelessness.

I don't use my abilities to help or hinder anyone anymore.

I do use them on traffic lights tho.

[Carmody]

Carmody, I have a question...and it kinda ties into the direction I hope the thread's moving:


I claim to have made approx 4000 people SIT DOWN, at the peak of a given concert, when the rest of the crowd was standing (+50,000 people). (among other instances)

I have zero doubt in my mind you (& other "exceptional" people) are able to do this...but what gives you the right? Isn't that some sort of violation of others' free will?

Also: who's to say there's not someone MORE exceptional, compelling you to "choose" to do that, without you realizing?

I'm not wanting to get into the details. One could express it as me making people sit down, but the reality of how such a thing occurred...might be something different. There was no violation of free will.

Even the way people speak of it, betrays the projection of such, the sheer internal separation from the depth of self (knowing) that is required. 'Power', 'ability', 'gift', etc.

It's like saying my ear is these things...when... everyone's got an ear, or whatnot.

As for being compelled by someone/thing/etc else to do such a thing -----no.

[Carmody]

I'm finding this thread totally fascinating and can't wait to read what is written next, although I haven't watched all the videos yet and will come back to them if I can keep up. Thank you so much.

What I would like to know, and I don't think there's been a comprehensive list, is just what constitutes "exceptional psychic abilities". I have oob experiences but they are involuntary and uncontrolled and I end up in strange places, so I do not therefore consider it to be an exceptional ability. EXCEPT they serve as proof to me that there are abilities outside the norm. I can sometimes also tap into a person who is walking in front of me but only pick up a feeling of weight or mood, not thoughts or anything else.

So what is considered to be an "exceptional" psychic ability? Does anyone here, for instance, have the ability to be in two places at the same time?

99.99% of the folks I encounter every day recognize far less than you have recognized about yourself that relates to psi abilities. I see you as exceptional.

"Among the most remarkable of the documented cases of bilocation was the Padre's appearance in the air over San Giovanni Rotondo during World War II. While southern Italy remained in Nazi hands American bombers were given the job of attacking the city of San Giovanni Rotondo. However, when they appeared over the city and prepared to unload their munitions a brown-robed friar appeared before their aircraft. All attempts to release the bombs failed. In this way Padre Pio kept his promise to the citizens that their town would be spared. Later on, when an American airbase was established at Foggia a few miles away, one of the pilots of this incident visited the friary and found to his surprise the little friar he had seen in the air that day over San Giovanni.

As to how Padre Pio with God's help accomplished such feats, the closest he ever came to an explanation of bilocation was to say that it occurred "by an extension of his personality." "

http://www.ewtn.com/padrepio/mystic/bilocation.htm

to remote view, but to bring your own shape along for the ride. This is usually seen in the 'waking sleep' (lucid) state by other people, but it can go full bore and be a full bio-location. Depends on the location (ley lines and energy points), the person's individual astrology chart and the energies for that time period, and the mental state of the people (and their astrology) who are to 'receive' the visit. The more sure of one's self that the given bio-locator is, and the more capable of 'imagining in completeness' (perfection in projection and reception)' they are, the more true and real the bio-location can be.

One might say that bio-location is tied to the art of the creation of the tulpa. The tulpa being the 'little ego', but not hampered by the duality barrier. Sometimes the tulpa can be very nasty. Buddhist students are taught how to make it,and then dissolve it. Keeping a tulpa around (one's own), specifically in a 'not clear' person, is not advised.

Recall, that in the bible, both Lucifer and God both stated that your belief was required, for them to exist. (collective consciousness expressions, one the dark and selfish the other the collective good).

Now, the next point in that domino of logic is...would that not be a thing to control?

To say that one controls that 'collective reality formation- thought being', called 'god' or 'lucifer'? How does a darker dimensional race intrude and control humanity, exactly?

Why...by controlling the collective thought forms. The religions. If tulpas and bioloction exist, then so does the collective thought form we call god. as does the dark representation.

Are you the flea, or the dog? Which is it? Are you the food, or the source of the feeder? As..the very idea of separation, objectivity and causality/casualty, in reality, do not exist..then...is there a difference in any of this, from the self? All those forms that most people are familiar with -are separational and objective.

Which a 'god', a tulpa collective thought form, would require, in order to exist... and any group who might like to control humanity via humanity's consciousness, their emotional animal, they would by necessity move into controlling the offices of such a representation. Thus what controls the church and what controls satanism, is one and the same. (that collective consciousness is the 'telephone system' I was wired into when I had all those folks sit down).

As long as one believes in good and evil, in god and lucifer, or whatever...one is objectified and separated and lives a duality life ,and one is trapped in their own logic break... and will never be free.

Thus, what, exactly.....are we doing, here?

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[Delight]

One might say that bio-location is tied to the art of the creation of the tulpa. The tulpa being the 'little ego', but not hampered by the duality barrier. Sometimes the tulpa can be very nasty. Buddhist students are taught how to make it,and then dissolve it. Keeping a tulpa around (one's own), specifically in a 'not clear' person, is not advised.


I suppose you may have heard of Alexandra David-Neel? Her life is inspiring!!

http://idata.over-blog.com/4/05/19/43/Nepal-Octobre-2012/Alexandra-david_neel3.jpg

As an intrepid explorer and spiritual seeker, she traveled to Tibet at a time when it was almost impossible for westerners, especially as a woman. She received lamaist training and did create a tulpa. Her example is a fair one to heed because thoughts once manifested do not like to be dissolved.


The method involved was essentially intense concentration and visualization. David-Neel's tulpa began its existence as a plump, benign little monk, similar to Friar Tuck. It was at first entirely subjective, but gradually, with practice, she was able to visualize the tulpa out there, like an imaginary ghost flitting about the real world.

In time the vision grew in clarity and substance until it was indistinguishable from physical reality-a sort of self-induced hallucination. But the day came when the hallucination slipped from her conscious control. She discovered that the monk would appear from time to time when she had not willed it. Furthermore her friendly little figure was slimming down and taking on a distinctly sinister aspect.

Eventually her companions, who where unaware of the mental disciplines she was practicing, began to ask about the "stranger" who had turned up in their camp-a clear indication that a creature which was no more that solidified imagination had definite objective reality.
At this point, David-Neel decided things had gone too far and applied different lamaist techniques to reabsorb the creature into her own mind. The tulpa proved very unwillling to face destruction in this way so that the process took several weeks and left its creator exhausted.http://www.tulpa.com/explain/alexandra.html

Then there is the "Lady in Blue", María Fernández Coronel y Arana, Abbess of Ágreda (2 April 1602 – 24 May 1665) who bilocated in the 17th century.


Sor María de Jesús is credited by some with contributing to the evangelization of the Jumano Indians in what is today Texas. Between 1620 and 1623 she reported that she was often "transported by the aid of the angels" to settlements of a people called Jumanos. She reported further visits afterwards, but they were less frequent. These reported visits occurred while María physically remained in the convent at Ágreda.They have been cataloged as bilocation, an event where a person is, or seems to be, in two places at the same time.
The Jumanos of New Spain (modern New Mexico and Texas) had long been requesting missionaries, possibly hoping for protection from Apaches. Eventually a mission led by the Franciscan Friar Juan de Salas visited them in 1629.Before sending the friars, Father Alonzo de Benavides, Custodian of New Mexico, asked the natives why they were so eager to be baptized. They said they had been visited by a Lady in Blue who had told them to ask the fathers for help, pointing to a painting of a nun in a blue habit and saying she was dressed like that but was a beautiful young girl.The Jumanos visiting Isleta indicated that the Lady in Blue had visited them in the area now known as the Salinas National Monument (an area settled by the Spanish) south of modern day Mountainair, New Mexico, located 65 miles south of Albuquerque. At the same time, Fray Esteban de Perea had brought an inquiry to Benavides from sor María's confessor in Spain asking whether there was any evidence that she had visited the Jumanos.http://worldraaz.blogspot.com/2013/01/sister-maria-de-jesus-de-agreda-maria.html

http://unmyst3.blogspot.com/2010/01/mary-agreda.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Agreda_-_Convento_Concepcion_02.JPG/450px-Agreda_-_Convento_Concepcion_02.JPG

[Carmody]

So..then..logically..are we now moving into the collective requirement to dissolve evil/lucifer and also to dissolve 'god'?

'Wherever you go..there you are'..and...' you are what you is'.

When observation, in quantum terms and conditions, which the universe itself is..when quantum shifting occurs in the act of concentration/observation, when the wave duality collapses to the single particle..when this happens..then..what does this mean about energy involvement/manipulation?

It means that imagination x concentration = manifestation of hard realities.

Collective reality in time/space 3d flow, as manifestation of the ego/will/body/emotions of the individuals, as a 'coven' group, but 7 billion of us in shared 'hypnotic trance'.

[Delight]

So..then..logically..are we now moving into the collective requirement to dissolve evil/lucifer and also to dissolve 'god'?

'Wherever you go..there you are'..and...' you are what you is'.

When observation, in quantum terms and conditions, which the universe itself is..when quantum shifting occurs in the act of concentration/observation, when the wave duality collapses to the single particle..when this happens..then..what does this mean about energy involvement/manipulation?

It means that imagination x concentration = manifestation of hard realities.

Collective reality in time/space 3d flow, as manifestation of the ego/will/body/emotions of the individuals, as a 'coven' group, but 7 billion of us in shared 'hypnotic trance'.

The collective trance is breaking up.

This is from Lisa Renee's October Energetic Synthesis post
Revealing the Imposter


The Luciferian Attributes and Impostor Spirit Qualities (STS)

Cloaks itself within the authority of False Father God archetypes to manipulate though domination and control while shapeshifting its outward appearance in both physical genders.
Siphons spiritual light and rapes the Mother's Holy Spirit through the feminine principle with Vengeance and Self-righteousness, while propping up a false spiritual parent of the Mother to the masses.
Through False Parent Archetypes it can only use the Negative Ego constructs to produce false spiritual light for its creations.
False Light is temporary and has to be consistently replenished through stealing or vampirizing from others inner resources of Light, primarily covets the Mothers Holy Spirit therefore misogynistic.
Has hatred and disdain for the power of the Mother's spiritual principle and resents and blames her Son, Christos for his position, therefore has crucified him/her.
Has a superior, hierarchal and elitist mental body belief system that tricks it to believe its position or ability is higher than it really is; self-entitled.
Deception, manipulation and vampirism of others are its theme to survive within promoting chaos, confusion and ambiguity.
Self-aggrandizement of personal leadership role through its negative ego compels it to abuse power and authority believing the innocent are stupid to be led deceptively and controlled.
Promotes false hierarchy for domination and control through promotion of hive mind mentality. (Hive mind is carry out group orders and do not question authority)
Becomes hostile and violent when its authority or power is questioned.
Uses inner and outer violence to promote its agenda and will sacrifice others easily for its own selfish motivations.
Skillful to use manipulation techniques to avoid transparency, accountability to actions which is to continually deceive others through a divide and conquer strategy.
Uses biblical deception and salvation models to promote seed fears of Armageddon software and Victim/Victimizer archetypes to target any development of unity consciousness including attacking and destroying human values for achieving unconditional love and peace.
Steals access to paranormal ability or supraluminal intelligence in order to use astral glamour as the way to pretend or provide proof to the enslaved human in the display of its "superior" intelligence and authority of those who serve the Luciferian False Light System (This is the razzle and dazzle to create followers of the false light systems.) This way the person who is "astral hypnotized" does not realize the same Luciferian spirit in that person feeding the astral glamour is actually being used as their spiritual jailer and prison warden. This creates a reliance and dependency on the very thing that enslaves the person in the false light which traps them without evolutionary possibility continued in the afterlife. http://www.energeticsynthesis.com/index.php/resource-tools/news-shift-timelines/2301-revealing-the-impostor

[Ernie Nemeth]

When one does not understand what they are then one is left in the dubious position of defining the thing they don't understand. And since the defining infers understanding the only possible way to maintain that definition is by denial of their own ignorance. The best way to defend ignorance is to seek for authority in another, thereby deferring the denial and transferring the burden of proof. Thus lightened, not quite enlightened though, one can get on with more pressing concerns like being late for work, or what outfit to wear.

Like nature, reality abhors a vacuum.

[Bill Ryan]

I suppose you may have heard of Alexandra David-Neel? Her life is inspiring!!

http://idata.over-blog.com/4/05/19/43/Nepal-Octobre-2012/Alexandra-david_neel3.jpg

As an intrepid explorer and spiritual seeker, she traveled to Tibet at a time when it was almost impossible for westerners, especially as a woman. She received lamaist training and did create a tulpa. Her example is a fair one to heed because thoughts once manifested do not like to be dissolved.


The method involved was essentially intense concentration and visualization. David-Neel's tulpa began its existence as a plump, benign little monk, similar to Friar Tuck. It was at first entirely subjective, but gradually, with practice, she was able to visualize the tulpa out there, like an imaginary ghost flitting about the real world.

In time the vision grew in clarity and substance until it was indistinguishable from physical reality-a sort of self-induced hallucination. But the day came when the hallucination slipped from her conscious control. She discovered that the monk would appear from time to time when she had not willed it. Furthermore her friendly little figure was slimming down and taking on a distinctly sinister aspect.

Eventually her companions, who where unaware of the mental disciplines she was practicing, began to ask about the "stranger" who had turned up in their camp-a clear indication that a creature which was no more that solidified imagination had definite objective reality.
At this point, David-Neel decided things had gone too far and applied different lamaist techniques to reabsorb the creature into her own mind. The tulpa proved very unwillling to face destruction in this way so that the process took several weeks and left its creator exhausted.http://www.tulpa.com/explain/alexandra.html

Here's the book:
Magic and Mystery in Tibet, also sometimes translated as
With Mystics and Magicians in Tibet.

MUST READ for all Avalonians. :)

http://projectavalon.net/Magic_and_Mystery_in_Tibet.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/Magic_and_Mystery_in_Tibet.pdf

[gigha]

I guess without reading the book that she would have to be a woman of means. That being "means" is wealth?

[Bill Ryan]

I guess without reading the book that she would have to be a woman of means. That being "means" is wealth?

Far from it! :)

She was a Buddhist, a feminist and an anarchist, and was one of the most extraordinary women of the 20th century. Here's a photo of her, in Tibet, where she journeyed for a whole decade disguised as a Tibetan man.

http://www.tswiki.net/mywiki/images/b/bf/Alexandra_David-Neel_in_Lhasa.gif

Here's a must-read summary article. She absolutely belongs on this thread.

From http://huffingtonpost.com/barbara-foster/alexanda-david-neel-adventures_b_1082451.html

The Amazing Tibetan Adventures of Alexandra David-Néel

In 1965 Lawrence Durrell, on assignment from a popular woman's magazine, interviewed the 96-year-old Alexandra David-Neel at her home in Digne, in the south of France. Famous for her earlier adventures in India, China and Tibet, and the books recording these, Alexandra is best known for her daring journey to Lhasa over the Trans-Himalayas in midwinter 1924.

Accompanied by her adopted son Lama Yongden, she was disguised as a beggar/pilgrim and eluded soldiers, brigands and officials of the British Empire. David-Neel became the first European woman to reach Tibet's forbidden capital, and she remains the most accurate, extensive source on the arcane Buddhist practices of a nearly vanished world. Durrell called her "the most astonishing woman of our time."

When we interviewed the renowned novelist in a Greek neighborhood in the South Bronx, while researching our biography, "The Secret Lives of Alexandra David-Neel," he fondly recalled her eternally youthful air. Although worn down by the hardship of her travels, Alexandra kept a radiance that had drawn countless admirers, including generals and heads of state.

She was born Alexandrine Marie David (a distant relation of the artist David) in Paris in 1868 to a left-leaning father, a publisher and a puritanical mother. Alexandra began her career as a lovely opera singer, complimented by Massenet. When her voice broke, she became a strongly feminist writer, while her interest in Eastern philosophy matured.

In 1904 she married Philip Néel, manager of the French railways in Tunisia. It was a marriage of convenience for both parties, and Alexandra soon took off for India. Her one significant love affair, with Sidkeong Tulku, the young, handsome, reforming Maharaja of Sikkim, ended tragically when he died in pain, poisoned, in 1914.

Alexandra, for solace and enlightenment, turned to the Gomchen of Lachen, the Hermetic master of a small monastery in a mountain village near the Tibetan border. Stout and ugly, the locals believed he could fly through the air, kill men by a glance and command demons. But the British authorities respected him, and with this wizard Alexandra seemed to magically learn Tibetan.

His occult knowledge formed the basis of her "Magic and Mystery in Tibet," translated round the world. The practices the Gomchen taught her -- such as tumo, breathing to create heat to ward off the piercing cold of the snows -- permitted David-Neel to succeed on her journey via unexplored country to Tibet's capital. Her "My Journey to Lhasa," published in New York, London and Paris in 1927, became an instant classic of travel and adventure.

Above Lachen was the Gomchen's cave, at 12,000 feet, where he spent most of his time in meditation. Along with her adopted son, 15-year-old Lama Yongden, Alexandra took up residence in a nearby, sparsely furnished cave, to which she adjoined her tent, cooking utensils and her bathing tub. She agreed to become the Gomchen's disciple and promised him obedience.

For the next two years, in cave, tent or cell, she studied tantric Buddhism with the Gomchen by conversation, reading texts, practice and telepathy. The Gomchen and Alexandra would sit together in silence, focused on the imagined aspects of a deity -- perhaps Vajrapani, the protector -- their goal being an entirely unified mental state. Afterward the Gomchen would quiz his pupil, who became sufficiently adept that in her trek to Lhasa she could receive messages "written on the wind."

Alexandra became adept at tumo breathing, involving meditation on the fire within. For a final exam she bathed in a mountain stream on a moonlit night, then sat naked, meditating until dawn. She caught a cold, but tumo would save her life on the journey to Lhasa.

First, she visited the Panchen Lama, second in the hierarchy to the Dalai Lama, at Shigatse, Tibet, crossing the forbidden border. She was impressed by the Panchen's erudition, and she realized that in Tibet she was coming in contact with a wise, civilized people. In contrast, the British Political Officer, Sir Charles Bell, despite being a Tibet enthusiast, had Alexandra expelled from both Tibet and Sikkim.

Undaunted, Alexandra headed for Kum Bum monastery in Eastern Tibet via China. The Manchu dynasty had collapsed, China was in turmoil, but Alexandra pushed on past brigands and warlords and immersed herself in the monastic life and the study of rare manuscripts at Kum Bum. She observed the practices of Bon, an ancient faith, and she engaged in some of their occult practices.

In August 1922, with the help of another learned British official, Sir George Pereira, Alexandra began her zigzag journey to Lhasa. Alexandra was 55 when, along with Yongden, she defeated the fierce Himalayan winter and rugged terrain to achieve her goal.

The epic story of Alexandra and Yongden's reaching Lhasa is too incredible to summarize here. Victorious, Alexandra descended to India, flaunted her triumph before British officials, and sailed for France. She made her home at Digne at the foot of the Basses-Alpes, which she joked were "Himalayas for pygmies."

She stocked her villa Samten Dzong (fortress of meditation) with a collection of tankas, masks, prayer rugs, manuscripts and photos -- a miniature Tibet. She even brought home a necklace of gold coins, a gift from Sidkeong. She had refused to spend even one, no matter how desperate her need.

Over the next 40 years Alexandra and Yongden wrote two-dozen books on Eastern themes, ranging from adventure classics to "The Secret Oral Teachings In Tibetan Buddhist Sects," praised by Alan Watts as "wonderfully lucid."

Occasionally, the pair -- she dressed in a lama's robes, he in a black suit -- sallied forth to lecture in European capitals, always planning new voyages of discovery that she grew too arthritic to undertake. At 100 Alexandra renewed her passport, fruitlessly planning a trip across Russia that would end at New York.

Yongden had predeceased Alexandra, who passed away in 1969, just shy of her 101st birthday. At Samten Dzong, now a museum, some mementos from Alexandra's forbidden journey remain: a compass, a cooking pot, her automatic pistol, a native hat, box cameras, a Tibetan rosary made of 108 pieces of human skulls.

Alexandra's real legacy endures in her books, which have inspired many Westerners to travel to Tibet, to study Tibetan Buddhism and to live the adventure that is life.

[Flash]

A great woman

For the French speaking:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvybo_alexandra-david-neel_travel

[gigha]

Thank you. Being wrong has never opened up so many doors for me. I do think that she was not from a family that worked in the coal mines. No matter what she did money was behind it. I am a feminist but i am male. I cannot go to Tibbet because I don't have the money. Back in the day you would have to have money to go there. Average joe can not make that trip.





I guess without reading the book that she would have to be a woman of means. That being "means" is wealth?

Far from it! :)

She was a Buddhist, a feminist and an anarchist, and was one of the most extraordinary women of the 20th century. Here's a photo of her, in Tibet, where she journeyed for a whole decade disguised as a Tibetan man.

http://www.tswiki.net/mywiki/images/b/bf/Alexandra_David-Neel_in_Lhasa.gif

Here's a must-read summary article. She absolutely belongs on this thread.

From http://huffingtonpost.com/barbara-foster/alexanda-david-neel-adventures_b_1082451.html

The Amazing Tibetan Adventures of Alexandra David-Néel

In 1965 Lawrence Durrell, on assignment from a popular woman's magazine, interviewed the 96-year-old Alexandra David-Neel at her home in Digne, in the south of France. Famous for her earlier adventures in India, China and Tibet, and the books recording these, Alexandra is best known for her daring journey to Lhasa over the Trans-Himalayas in midwinter 1924.

Accompanied by her adopted son Lama Yongden, she was disguised as a beggar/pilgrim and eluded soldiers, brigands and officials of the British Empire. David-Neel became the first European woman to reach Tibet's forbidden capital, and she remains the most accurate, extensive source on the arcane Buddhist practices of a nearly vanished world. Durrell called her "the most astonishing woman of our time."

When we interviewed the renowned novelist in a Greek neighborhood in the South Bronx, while researching our biography, "The Secret Lives of Alexandra David-Neel," he fondly recalled her eternally youthful air. Although worn down by the hardship of her travels, Alexandra kept a radiance that had drawn countless admirers, including generals and heads of state.

She was born Alexandrine Marie David (a distant relation of the artist David) in Paris in 1868 to a left-leaning father, a publisher and a puritanical mother. Alexandra began her career as a lovely opera singer, complimented by Massenet. When her voice broke, she became a strongly feminist writer, while her interest in Eastern philosophy matured.

In 1904 she married Philip Néel, manager of the French railways in Tunisia. It was a marriage of convenience for both parties, and Alexandra soon took off for India. Her one significant love affair, with Sidkeong Tulku, the young, handsome, reforming Maharaja of Sikkim, ended tragically when he died in pain, poisoned, in 1914.

Alexandra, for solace and enlightenment, turned to the Gomchen of Lachen, the Hermetic master of a small monastery in a mountain village near the Tibetan border. Stout and ugly, the locals believed he could fly through the air, kill men by a glance and command demons. But the British authorities respected him, and with this wizard Alexandra seemed to magically learn Tibetan.

His occult knowledge formed the basis of her "Magic and Mystery in Tibet," translated round the world. The practices the Gomchen taught her -- such as tumo, breathing to create heat to ward off the piercing cold of the snows -- permitted David-Neel to succeed on her journey via unexplored country to Tibet's capital. Her "My Journey to Lhasa," published in New York, London and Paris in 1927, became an instant classic of travel and adventure.

Above Lachen was the Gomchen's cave, at 12,000 feet, where he spent most of his time in meditation. Along with her adopted son, 15-year-old Lama Yongden, Alexandra took up residence in a nearby, sparsely furnished cave, to which she adjoined her tent, cooking utensils and her bathing tub. She agreed to become the Gomchen's disciple and promised him obedience.

For the next two years, in cave, tent or cell, she studied tantric Buddhism with the Gomchen by conversation, reading texts, practice and telepathy. The Gomchen and Alexandra would sit together in silence, focused on the imagined aspects of a deity -- perhaps Vajrapani, the protector -- their goal being an entirely unified mental state. Afterward the Gomchen would quiz his pupil, who became sufficiently adept that in her trek to Lhasa she could receive messages "written on the wind."

Alexandra became adept at tumo breathing, involving meditation on the fire within. For a final exam she bathed in a mountain stream on a moonlit night, then sat naked, meditating until dawn. She caught a cold, but tumo would save her life on the journey to Lhasa.

First, she visited the Panchen Lama, second in the hierarchy to the Dalai Lama, at Shigatse, Tibet, crossing the forbidden border. She was impressed by the Panchen's erudition, and she realized that in Tibet she was coming in contact with a wise, civilized people. In contrast, the British Political Officer, Sir Charles Bell, despite being a Tibet enthusiast, had Alexandra expelled from both Tibet and Sikkim.

Undaunted, Alexandra headed for Kum Bum monastery in Eastern Tibet via China. The Manchu dynasty had collapsed, China was in turmoil, but Alexandra pushed on past brigands and warlords and immersed herself in the monastic life and the study of rare manuscripts at Kum Bum. She observed the practices of Bon, an ancient faith, and she engaged in some of their occult practices.

In August 1922, with the help of another learned British official, Sir George Pereira, Alexandra began her zigzag journey to Lhasa. Alexandra was 55 when, along with Yongden, she defeated the fierce Himalayan winter and rugged terrain to achieve her goal.

The epic story of Alexandra and Yongden's reaching Lhasa is too incredible to summarize here. Victorious, Alexandra descended to India, flaunted her triumph before British officials, and sailed for France. She made her home at Digne at the foot of the Basses-Alpes, which she joked were "Himalayas for pygmies."

She stocked her villa Samten Dzong (fortress of meditation) with a collection of tankas, masks, prayer rugs, manuscripts and photos -- a miniature Tibet. She even brought home a necklace of gold coins, a gift from Sidkeong. She had refused to spend even one, no matter how desperate her need.

Over the next 40 years Alexandra and Yongden wrote two-dozen books on Eastern themes, ranging from adventure classics to "The Secret Oral Teachings In Tibetan Buddhist Sects," praised by Alan Watts as "wonderfully lucid."

Occasionally, the pair -- she dressed in a lama's robes, he in a black suit -- sallied forth to lecture in European capitals, always planning new voyages of discovery that she grew too arthritic to undertake. At 100 Alexandra renewed her passport, fruitlessly planning a trip across Russia that would end at New York.

Yongden had predeceased Alexandra, who passed away in 1969, just shy of her 101st birthday. At Samten Dzong, now a museum, some mementos from Alexandra's forbidden journey remain: a compass, a cooking pot, her automatic pistol, a native hat, box cameras, a Tibetan rosary made of 108 pieces of human skulls.

Alexandra's real legacy endures in her books, which have inspired many Westerners to travel to Tibet, to study Tibetan Buddhism and to live the adventure that is life.

[araucaria]

Thank you. Being wrong has never opened up so many doors for me. I do think that she was not from a family that worked in the coal mines. No matter what she did money was behind it. I am a feminist but i am male. I cannot go to Tibbet because I don't have the money. Back in the day you would have to have money to go there. Average joe can not make that trip.

Why would you want to go to Tibet? Because this person did that? That would be very 'average Joe' thinking. If she needed money to go and had it, then that was money well spent. If you (think you) need to go to Tibet, either you will find the money or the journey is not necessary and you can do what you have to do from wherever you happen to be.

[skippy]

Thank you. Being wrong has never opened up so many doors for me. I do think that she was not from a family that worked in the coal mines. No matter what she did money was behind it. I am a feminist but i am male. I cannot go to Tibbet because I don't have the money. Back in the day you would have to have money to go there. Average joe can not make that trip.

Why would you want to go to Tibet? Because this person did that? That would be very 'average Joe' thinking. If she needed money to go and had it, then that was money well spent. If you (think you) need to go to Tibet, either you will find the money or the journey is not necessary and you can do what you have to do from wherever you happen to be.

If you can't go to Tibet, then you can make Tibet come to you. Like this guy, who build an eastern temple in his backgarden in rural France. :)

http://www.facteurcheval.com/tl_files/contenu/photos/facade-est.jpg

The Creator, Ferdinand Cheval (1836-1924) was a French postman who spent thirty-three years of his life building his 'Palais idéal' (the "Ideal Palace") in Hauterives, a village in the South of France. Cheval began the building in April 1879 as he reports:

"I was walking very fast when my foot caught on something that sent me stumbling a few meters away, I wanted to know the cause. In a dream I had built a palace, a castle or caves, I cannot express it well... I told no one about it for fear of being ridiculed and I felt ridiculous myself. Then fifteen years later, when I had almost forgotten my dream, when I wasn't thinking of it at all, my foot reminded me of it. My foot tripped on a stone that almost made me fall. I wanted to know what it was... It was a stone of such a strange shape that I put it in my pocket to admire it at my ease. The next day, I went back to the same place. I found more stones, even more beautiful, I gathered them together on the spot and was overcome with delight... It's a sandstone shaped by water and hardened by the power of time. It becomes as hard as pebbles. It represents a sculpture so strange that it is impossible for man to imitate, it represents any kind of animal, any kind of caricature. I said to myself: since Nature is willing to do the sculpture, I will do the masonry and the architecture"

For the next thirty-three years, Cheval picked up stones during his daily mail round and carried them home to build the Palais idéal. At first, he carried the stones in his pockets, then switched to a basket. He often worked at night, by the light of an oil lamp. Cheval bound the stones together with lime, mortar and cement.

[Limor Wolf]

This is a valuable thread indeed. It is a necassity to open up about our wholness as biological and spiritual beings in this on-going manifestation of reality (some say a Hologram) and it is also very sensible as some have alluded to remain quiet to certain extent when circumstances require. It is a tightrope to walk on.

Until not long ago, there was a grave mistake in the general perception of the world of science, of Anthropology, of psychology, of medicine, that the human specie has got to the height of it's development and is now ripe, that development can happen only in the area of technology no more in the human biological essence. Graver then that, that technology need to be imposed on the human being as part of himself so we can continue and develop further and have machine abilities. An inference of those who lack a strong soul essence in the body. That is until quantum physics and the continued decipherment of the genome has shown us otherwise, but the race to transhumanism is at it's peak. Truth is we are a specie on the verge of self- extinction which is not even close to be in full bloom, a small evidence to that is our very partial use of the brain (without getting into the false percentage argument) we have advanced so far from the Neanderthal to homo Erectus to homo sapiens (fast forwarding here), our next stage is so essential to our existance that it is forcing us to face Hamlet's (Shakespeare) famous question - "To be, or not to be..", The next stage in our development is Homo Spiritus. It is the assimilation and recognition of our spirit as ourselves and as the one holding the reins of the body. It is a must - to remove the blinding from our eyes, we don't have the previlege not to do this. We are on a major break of discovery that our world is not this limited thing that we learned to live in. We are not limited, but there are those who taught us to think this way. We must break out of these boundaries that we were placed in, because they are false.

They know better then us what is going on and if we want to have our 'say', then we better develop to our whole 'wholness' and do it fast.

So, in answer to Hamlet's question, only in a much broader meaning - 'To be or not to be..?', Everything suggests that the wise answer right now is - LET IT BE.

[grapevine]

You are playing a mind game Donk, is this useful? this is not at all what was being done, using one's free will to trumps their free will. And you know it. This has little importance, it was just a plain Learning lesson for all involved, at the conscious or unconscious level. And you know this Donk.

Asking direct questions in an open forum is a "mind game"? And I know it??

What mind game is that, pray tell? The one where I get people to think about the implications of these powers people seem to having trouble deciding if they exist?

I state my intentions clearly, as always. I am asking valid questions that Christine lauds below--why are you making accusations that I am somehow being manipulative?

As I said, I believe in these powers. I believe they can be manipulated and used by others for less benevolent purposes and less benevolent people than Paula and Carmody when I wrote them.

So to answer your question, I think it would be very useful to be the many sensitive and vulnerable, the people strong in these powers, to think about the questions I asked, so they'd have this greater awareness that appears to me by the descriptions on this thread to be an evolutionary advantage to be used in your favor.

I feel it is extremely useful to at least have disclaimers and discussions (such as my posts attempt to generate--call that a mind game if you want) in discussion of this very REAL topic to point out that we are actually discussing the exact tools of intra-species predation .

I understand Carmody and Paula's examples are not that, all my purpose is to get people to take some of these ideas a little further, rather than keep their awareness at the lower level you seem to be (to me) defending.

No mind games in my book, I clearly stated my intent and beliefs: I am trying to bring light to what I feel is a dark area, raising the awareness of those I truly care about, in hopes they protect themselves from becoming the prey of "exceptional abilities"



Carmody, I have a question...and it kinda ties into the direction I hope the thread's moving:


I claim to have made approx 4000 people SIT DOWN, at the peak of a given concert, when the rest of the crowd was standing (+50,000 people). (among other instances)

I have zero doubt in my mind you (& other "exceptional" people) are able to do this...but what gives you the right? Isn't that some sort of violation of others' free will?

Also: who's to say there's not someone MORE exceptional, compelling you to "choose" to do that, without you realizing?

I'm not wanting to get into the details. One could express it as me making people sit down, but the reality of how such a thing occurred...might be something different. There was no violation of free will.

Even the way people speak of it, betrays the projection of such, the sheer internal separation from the depth of self (knowing) that is required. 'Power', 'ability', 'gift', etc.

It's like saying my ear is these things...when... everyone's got an ear, or whatnot.

As for being compelled by someone/thing/etc else to do such a thing -----no.

Slightly off topic here but I think it's worth mentioning that language - any language - is woefully inadequate when it comes to matters like this and is open to misinterpretation. And that is why we go off on tangents or get hold of the wrong end of the stick. Until we become telephathic, when we can convey full meaning through the whole, there's not a lot we can do about this, except to grin and bear it and give each other the benefit of the doubt. The very worst thing we can do on this forum is to be seen to question another's integrity which is, I think, is what happened here. And this is down to our personal interpretation of language . . . .

[Agape]

Thank you. Being wrong has never opened up so many doors for me. I do think that she was not from a family that worked in the coal mines. No matter what she did money was behind it. I am a feminist but i am male. I cannot go to Tibbet because I don't have the money. Back in the day you would have to have money to go there. Average joe can not make that trip.



You can do about what you want to do , suppose you really want it .

:angel:

[donk]

I think my language was relatively clear w1nfmill, and flash and Carmody were even clearer. And it seems no one wants to talk about it--that the responsibility that comes with great powers...a lot of people here seem to want to make that a "tangent" (I feel I understand you pretty well).

I think that's troubling. All these pages to "prove" the existence of psychic powers, on Project Avalon?? I would think most here believe, and it seems like most that could choose not to enlighten us any more than anecdotally.

So be it...I just wonder why so few think this important--or why it's ok to make it seem "slightly off topic"?

[grapevine]

I think my language was relatively clear w1nfmill, and flash and Carmody were even clearer. And it seems no one wants to talk about it--that the responsibility that comes with great powers...a lot of people here seem to want to make that a "tangent" (I feel I understand you pretty well).

I think that's troubling. All these pages to "prove" the existence of psychic powers, on Project Avalon?? I would think most here believe, and it seems like most that could choose not to enlighten us any more than anecdotally.

So be it...I just wonder why so few think this important--or why it's ok to make it seem "slightly off topic"?

Because my post had nothing to do with "Exceptional psychic abilities" Donk, that's why. I stand by my words - language is sometimes inadequate for what we are REALLY trying to convey. But if you insist in keeping this stance going then you are trolling the thread and I won't be supporting it with any more responses. . . .
This thread is too good to be undermined in this way.

[donk]

I'm "trolling" for information, playing the "mind game" of getting people who know to explain a basic idea to me--you can characterize my posts however you want, but all I'm doing is trying to learn and broaden the thread from "do they exist" to "if they exist...what then?"

Soooo...when is it ok for your exceptional ability to be used on another being? What excuses what I see as a violation of another's free will?

If someone made me sit down or anything, I would be upset...if I knew about it. So if the target of exceptional abilities is unaware, it is ok?

[minkton]

I guess without reading the book that she would have to be a woman of means. That being "means" is wealth?
This is your first response to a remarkable bit of input about a fascinating woman. Good piece of information for you there.

IN terms of moving toward exceptional abilities, one of the things we have to do is notice our sticking points and overcome them.

[minkton]

I'm "trolling" for information, playing the "mind game" of getting people who know to explain a basic idea to me--you can characterize my posts however you want, but all I'm doing is trying to learn and broaden the thread from "do they exist" to "if they exist...what then?"

Soooo...when is it ok for your exceptional ability to be used on another being? What excuses what I see as a violation of another's free will?

If someone made me sit down or anything, I would be upset...if I knew about it. So if the target of exceptional abilities is unaware, it is ok?

Exceptional abilities are exceptions to rules. If you can transcend what are considered to be the laws of nature, you transcend what are considered to be other normal laws as well. this is just a fact.. you skip a few zones and land in a new territory. This is what coyote is all about.. playing with what is considered ok and not ok.. only by embracing the blurriness of boundaries can exceptions occurr.

Your delineating lines in the sand when the sand is blowing in the wind is causing conflict in this thread.. because this is not a rule oriented thread, its a creative space oriented thread.

Reistance to laws being shifted out of place is understandable. trying to draw lines where there are none is understandable.

[grapevine]

Collective reality in time/space 3d flow, as manifestation of the ego/will/body/emotions of the individuals, as a 'coven' group, but 7 billion of us in shared 'hypnotic trance'.

Is it 7 Billion lost in the Matrix - or - just one with a huge Disassociated Identity Disorder?

[RunningDeer]

Blabber rant removed. Left this reminder for myself:

One cannot sprinkle enlightenment on another. (no kidding, Paula) That’s not anyone’s job. We each have custom maps for our life experiences. I choose to be the driver. I don’t stand on the side of the road, hitching a ride, with fingers crossed that they will kinda go in the direction I might think I kinda wanna to go in.

[donk]

I did not mean to creat conflict on the thread, I apologize, I thought my concerns were relevant and important to the subject, I will take them somewhere and let the discussion continue on topic and without conflict.

[RunningDeer]

Blabber rant removed.

[grapevine]

Deleted to keep thread on topic. Apologies . . . .

[Bill Ryan]

I guess without reading the book that she would have to be a woman of means.

Then read the book. :)

(That's why I posted the link: http://projectavalon.net/Magic_and_Mystery_in_Tibet.pdf )

If you have a simple question (like what was Alexandra David-Néel's background?) then by all means just ask it. Happy to help. Or just look her up on the net -- very simple to do.

If you want to make a point because you have a chip on your shoulder about money and what you feel you can't do, then please keep that off this thread. And if you think what she did was somehow made easy for her, (again) just read the book. It was an almost unique journey, of staggering bravery and vision.




I do think that she was not from a family that worked in the coal mines. No matter what she did money was behind it. I am a feminist but i am male. I cannot go to Tibbet because I don't have the money. Back in the day you would have to have money to go there. Average joe can not make that trip.



I went to Ladakh in 1988 (twice) without a penny to my name. The way I did it was to advertise in a New Age magazine, and offer to lead a spiritually-oriented trekking group there. (I'd never been to Ladakh before, but I didn't let that stop me from being a group leader.)

17 people signed up, and my own (quite wonderful) trip was paid for. I earned it, it was highly successful for everyone, and everyone won. I repeated it a month after I'd returned, and once again the following year.

If you want to travel somewhere, just find a way and decide to do it. This sounds like a tough thing to say, but you're just inventing reasons for not doing what you want.

This thread is about exceptional people. You can be one if you choose. That's just one of the many, many things that we can all learn from Alexandra David-Néel's extraordinary personal story.

:focus:

[minkton]

I did not mean to creat conflict on the thread, I apologize, I thought my concerns were relevant and important to the subject, I will take them somewhere and let the discussion continue on topic and without conflict.

hey donk. no desire to boot you out. just to explain the process of what's going on so it could be more productive for all.
x

[Roisin]

I think Bill Ryan has an exceptional ability too that maybe he doesn't talk about much, if at all... and yes, I'm talking about THAT Bill Ryan. ;)

This is what happened. One time I contacted Paul about a tech. matter here having to do with a silly posting snafus. Then after Paul looked into it and so on, Bill contacted me to basically reiterate what Paul was saying about it. But Bill also, conversationally added that he was doing a marathon watch of that Sci-Fi show called Firefly where he added that he thought the show was great.

Well, it just so happened, that at the time when I got that PM from Bill, I was watching Firefly too!

Was this a coincidence? Or something more? Considering that the main topic of that PM had to do with that other matter, how is it that Bill decided to tag on that "off-topic" comment about Firefly?

Many times when something like that happens, it ends up looking like a synchronicity when it may in fact have been an unconscious psychic impression masquerading as a tag-on comment that someone just thought to say at that moment just for the heck of it.

I think that's what happened in this case too. Bill's unconscious mind was picking up that I was watching Firefly and that's why he spontaneously tagged-on that last sentence in that PM that he was going through a marathon watching of that show. His unconscious mind was picking up that I was watching that show, which is one that he really likes, at the time when he sent me that PM.

[Chester]

free will + awareness 'trumps' free will
choice(s) on both sides of the equation

Agreed. And I find it concerning.

So now I am asking: what are the consequences of using your awareness to impose on another's will? Of exercising your free will in that manner where your awareness trumps their free will?

My take on that is this -

At each and every new moment is infinite possibilities.

Those who chose (in their deepest consciousness) robust and abundant Life, will experience continuation and in the most wonderful ways. Those who choose less will have more difficulties. Perhaps it is possible one might choose to end. Why not?

Those who lean the other way will find themselves in a reality that terminates.

I also sense that Life, Herself, has a dog in this hunt.

Thus I make the odds that each of us Live eternally but do so through the reality we choose in our core being that begins with our initial, individual spark.

[Selene]

I think my language was relatively clear w1nfmill, and flash and Carmody were even clearer. And it seems no one wants to talk about it--that the responsibility that comes with great powers...a lot of people here seem to want to make that a "tangent" (I feel I understand you pretty well).


If I may, perhaps the crosstalk here – what I perceive as mutual miscommunication – is founded in an incomplete assumption about what “power” really is.

Most individuals with limited or ordinary personal power or autonomy (def: the ability to make self-governing choices, self-directing freedom and especially moral independence) envision personal power as something that can act against – or in spite of – the free will of others or the larger environmental circumstances of one’s life. The magic Sha-a-a-zam!, in other words: I.Want.What.I.Want and I.Want.It.Now, in spite of all other reality already achieved. They imagine that with greater power they can simply alter reality to suit their personal tastes.

And to some extent, this is true. Your life will ultimately turn out the way you always secretly expected it to. That’s your power of creation at work, accepting or ignoring certain “realities” in order to achieve your personal goals in this life. That’s fine. That’s why you are here.

But as your skills in working at higher levels of reality begin to grow, you very quickly learn that celestial power is real – and that using your skills to harness this (for whatever motive) has very wide ramifications, mostly unknown or unpredictable to you!

And what you do does come back to you. Oh, yes. You cannot influence reality without becoming influenced yourself. You cannot be an actor outside of the dimension within which you choose to act.

The nature of power transforms itself at higher and higher levels, so that the greater matrix of this universe in all its dimensions takes precedence over the petty human ego: the dimension from which most humans act or seek to act.

And so the ordinary ego – which wants “power” over the free will of others - will always be constrained by its own limited nature. That’s why some philosophers define dark, ego-centered activity as “service to self”, with the self meaning the ego. Such power can only grow in strength as the personal ego grows. And as the personal ego expands, so does its inherent weakness and fragility. That’s why those who choose to reinforce their own ego with power-seeking end up trapped by their own limited creations and must continually seek “higher power” from dark, limiting sources, demon-worship, “selling their soul” etc. It’s a trap that ends in soul-deadening limitation.

Escaping the limits of the ordinary human ego – whether with the motive of attaining greater “power” or not – can only be done via what mystics have taught for millennia: transcendence of the ego. Letting go. Surrender of the ego, surrender of the personal good in favor of the greater good (Aside: Did you know that the words ‘good’ and ‘god’ are etymologically related?) is the only way forward.

But from there, as you may already suspect, the definition of power and its purposes becomes rather different.

And the question, as it is presently viewed becomes irrelevant. The answer, in effect, lies in another form of understanding.

I wish I had a better way to explain this.

Regards,

Selene

[minkton]

You explained it fine Selene, I think it's understood that there is no way of living well without heart. It's natural: energy field, cosmic web, nobody escapes what they create.

[Roisin]

Like I said before, the level of introspection on those topics we are discussing in this thread is IMPRESSIVE indeed! Thanks for sharing Selene! Will bookmark that one!

[Roisin]

free will + awareness 'trumps' free will
choice(s) on both sides of the equation

Agreed. And I find it concerning.

So now I am asking: what are the consequences of using your awareness to impose on another's will? Of exercising your free will in that manner where your awareness trumps their free will?

My take on that is this -

At each and every new moment is infinite possibilities.

Those who chose (in their deepest consciousness) robust and abundant Life, will experience continuation and in the most wonderful ways. Those who choose less will have more difficulties. Perhaps it is possible one might choose to end. Why not?

Those who lean the other way will find themselves in a reality that terminates.

I also sense that Life, Herself, has a dog in this hunt.

Thus I make the odds that each of us Live eternally but do so through the reality we choose in our core being that begins with our initial, individual spark.

Excellent observations and I'm strongly sensing that what you are saying here is absolutely true and will make a note of it because this is the kind of information that people need to remind themselves of every morning when they get out of bed to begin a new day.

[Carmody]

I'm "trolling" for information, playing the "mind game" of getting people who know to explain a basic idea to me--you can characterize my posts however you want, but all I'm doing is trying to learn and broaden the thread from "do they exist" to "if they exist...what then?"

Soooo...when is it ok for your exceptional ability to be used on another being? What excuses what I see as a violation of another's free will?

If someone made me sit down or anything, I would be upset...if I knew about it. So if the target of exceptional abilities is unaware, it is ok?

The externalization is the problem. The direction to be explored is one of incorporation after the understanding of it being real is 'brought home'.

IF..one is still proofing then one is not incorporating.

The metaphorical gun to be brought to the head or mind of psyche and ego, that has not happened.

The internal plan laid out to shift the self into something greater.

The fear, ego and externalization fights still, in the hidden recesses of the very idea of thought formation.

To reclaim conscious control of the formation and flow of self and reality integration. That is the starting point.


Enough words have been spoken, enough proofs have been given; all that remains is the disagreement in mental thought formation that arises from the autonomous ego function.


edit: These things found are not 'great powers'. They are merely the skills (read:can be likened to as a perceived difference) and techniques that we saw in parents and 'older people', when we were kids. Things we needed to grow into in order to understand them.

The minimal aspects of being of the same physical size as an 'adult' -- is not the adult stage. I have also come to firmly believe that this is just another layer of coming to an adult stage.

Similarly, objective reality, linear reality, mathematical reality, engineered reality, is just part of the adolescent stage. Another adolescence, one that now has to be recognized. Ie, understanding what was going on, simply due to a bit of reading and some awareness thrown at it..at the age of 12, I began the process of taking charge of my neural wiring formation.

To step past and out of 'duality mind', to drop the autonomous function of ego and such is the true adult stage for this 'human' avatar - Which in itself is another beginning.

I'm at a stage where I pass in and out of it, as we all do, in our own way. The trick is to get on that bike and ride it, consciously, not unconsciously.

[sheme]

Question ; If one was exceptional would one know it?

If one was average would one know it?

If one was below average would that not make them exceptional?

[Chester]

You explained it fine Selene, I think it's understood that there is no way of living well without heart. It's natural: energy field, cosmic web, nobody escapes what they create.

I agree 100% that Selene explained it well and I also agree with her point. In fact, because I am not confident in my own moral base, I intentionally refrain from pursuing intentional magic. I hope one day I change my mind... perhaps once I have several years of continuous sobriety.

As an odds maker, I would make the continuation of Life a favorite as long as those who have developed their psi abilities use them for the good of all.

[Flash]

I think my language was relatively clear w1nfmill, and flash and Carmody were even clearer. And it seems no one wants to talk about it--that the responsibility that comes with great powers...a lot of people here seem to want to make that a "tangent" (I feel I understand you pretty well).


If I may, perhaps the crosstalk here – what I perceive as mutual miscommunication – is founded in an incomplete assumption about what “power” really is.

Most individuals with limited or ordinary personal power or autonomy (def: the ability to make self-governing choices, self-directing freedom and especially moral independence) envision personal power as something that can act against – or in spite of – the free will of others or the larger environmental circumstances of one’s life. The magic Sha-a-a-zam!, in other words: I.Want.What.I.Want and I.Want.It.Now, in spite of all other reality already achieved. They imagine that with greater power they can simply alter reality to suit their personal tastes.

And to some extent, this is true. Your life will ultimately turn out the way you always secretly expected it to. That’s your power of creation at work, accepting or ignoring certain “realities” in order to achieve your personal goals in this life. That’s fine. That’s why you are here.

But as your skills in working at higher levels of reality begin to grow, you very quickly learn that celestial power is real – and that using your skills to harness this (for whatever motive) has very wide ramifications, mostly unknown or unpredictable to you!

And what you do does come back to you. Oh, yes. You cannot influence reality without becoming influenced yourself. You cannot be an actor outside of the dimension within which you choose to act.

The nature of power transforms itself at higher and higher levels, so that the greater matrix of this universe in all its dimensions takes precedence over the petty human ego: the dimension from which most humans act or seek to act.

And so the ordinary ego – which wants “power” over the free will of others - will always be constrained by its own limited nature. That’s why some philosophers define dark, ego-centered activity as “service to self”, with the self meaning the ego. Such power can only grow in strength as the personal ego grows. And as the personal ego expands, so does its inherent weakness and fragility. That’s why those who choose to reinforce their own ego with power-seeking end up trapped by their own limited creations and must continually seek “higher power” from dark, limiting sources, demon-worship, “selling their soul” etc. It’s a trap that ends in soul-deadening limitation.

Escaping the limits of the ordinary human ego – whether with the motive of attaining greater “power” or not – can only be done via what mystics have taught for millennia: transcendence of the ego. Letting go. Surrender of the ego, surrender of the personal good in favor of the greater good (Aside: Did you know that the words ‘good’ and ‘god’ are etymologically related?) is the only way forward.

But from there, as you may already suspect, the definition of power and its purposes becomes rather different.

And the question, as it is presently viewed becomes irrelevant. The answer, in effect, lies in another form of understanding.

I wish I had a better way to explain this.

Regards,

Selene

I wish I had your way of explaining it. Donk, my answer to your post following mine is here above, in Selene's post. I have nothing else to add.

Thanks Selene.

[Shezbeth]

I feel it is extremely useful to at least have disclaimers and discussions in discussion of this very REAL topic to point out that we are actually discussing the exact tools of intra-species predation

This, IMO, is one of the most important points expressed on this thread thus far. Things done in innocence, without malicious or malignant intent, can have disastrous effects. Perhaps learning this the hard way is preferable to some.

Look around the forum. How often is due responsibility expressed in various posts? The rules and regulations are there for everyone to see, yet I constantly find violations (some flagrant) of the mutually accepted terms and conditions.

If individuals are want to express a lack of responsibility in something as simple as a forum post, how is it negative, divisive, or disruptive to question the motives/entitlement of something far more onerous as mind-control, et al?

I emphatically disagree that language is insufficient to discuss such matters; That the appearance of inadequacy is a manifestation of an individual's inadequacy with the language! How many are want to check their usage of terminology, their understanding of syntax? Fluency refers only to the ease with which one is able to put words together; One can be fluent and sincere in their expression, yet still be talking gibberish to one with greater understanding.

I address those with/around children - how often is a child want to use a new toy, device, or whatever in a manner that is not conducive to anything beyond their individual gratification? Especially with young boys, how often is a new car/truck/robot used as a hammer on everything (plants, furniture, pets), and how often is the justification "I was only playing/having fun"? How many vases, windows, etc. have been destroyed by having fun?

Admittedly, some things have to be learned through experience, but that's what this thread is about - sharing experience along the lines of exceptional psychic abilities, not just sharing proofs. I see no harm in attempting to illustrate that there is a line between being comfortable and being responsible with such things.

I would suggest that the propensity to critically analyze motivations/consequences beyond a rudimentary level to be a most effective psychic ability. Thank you Donk for sharing, I look forward to more if you should be inclined to share.

[minkton]

Carmody...that is exactly the "trick" , isnt it....to stop falling asleep at the wheel. Have you spotted the points at which unconsciouness is triggered?

Think that the illusion of many choices is one saboteur that overwhelms with distraction that triggers temporary shutdown.

Has to be a good plan to get very clear about what are real possible choices and what are distractions, in any given situation.

Something infantilising about a display of offerings spread out before one...nothing true in oneself requires to be pandered to or to be offered excess. Modern life distracting the fool with shiny objects.

[jagman]

Last nights C2C ,George Knapp was hosting. Uri Geller was the guest and I thought that interview belonged on this thread.
Excellent interview!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjUuqONmiZE&feature=player_detailpage&list=PL-aceGvv9jIrpUm1YnX5sDo8_rVV7t2tQ

[Carmody]

Carmody...that is exactly the "trick" , isnt it....to stop falling asleep at the wheel. Have you spotted the points at which unconsciouness is triggered?



A consensus universe, or 3d time-space manifestation. Relation is quantum coupling. Projection via the channel and filter of the hind-brain's co-creation of the structure.

The breakdown occurs when integrating with others. In any way, shape, or form.

It originates in one's deeper "Canted 'Kant Can't' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant) Rant". (just having a bit of fun with wordplay)

To be truthful, just before I came to the forum and almost immediately read this thread, those four words, as an idea and bit of humour in wordplay...came to me. Yet, I've barely ever read or heard of Kant.

See how this works?

[onawah]

Hmmmm....if "the breakdown occurs when integrating with others", then would empaths be triggered more often than others, in that they are constantly connecting with others, taking in energy and impressions from others?
That seems logical, but I think there is a kind of abstract clarity and even a strength that results...one is constantly being reminded that all are connected, and that finally, All is One, even though being empathic can mean being receptive to a lot of egocentric, delusional thinking and emotions from others.
I think it's interesting that this thread is concurrent with the Empaths thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64221-Empaths




A consensus universe, or 3d time-space manifestation. Relation is quantum coupling. Projection via the channel and filter of the hind-brain's co-creation of the structure.

The breakdown occurs when integrating with others. In any way, shape, or form.

It originates in one's deeper "Canted 'Kant Can't' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant) Rant". (just having a bit of fun with wordplay)

To be truthful, just before I came to the forum and almost immediately read this thread, those four words, as an idea and bit of humour in wordplay...came to me. Yet, I've barely ever read or heard of Kant.

See how this works?

[minkton]

Integrating with others Kan be done if the others are not other in frequency.

[Eram]

Carmody...that is exactly the "trick" , isnt it....to stop falling asleep at the wheel. Have you spotted the points at which unconsciouness is triggered?



北冥有魚，其名為鯤。鯤之大，不知其幾千里也。化而為鳥，其名為鵬。鵬之背，不知其幾千里也；怒而飛，其翼若垂天之雲。是鳥也，海運則將徙於南冥。南冥者，天池也。齊諧者，志怪者也。諧之言曰：

The breakdown occurs when integrating with others. In any way, shape, or form.

It originates in one's deeper "Canted 'Kant Can't' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant) Rant". (just having a bit of fun with wordplay)

To be truthful, just before I came to the forum and almost immediately read this thread, those four words, as an idea and bit of humour in wordplay...came to me. Yet, I've barely ever read or heard of Kant.

See how this works?

C'mon Carmody, have mercy on the common men.

We'd like to understand what you write too you know? ;)

[minkton]

eschew passive consumerism and allow tasks to be appropriate to skills.

carmody generously allowed space for research and for individual uncovering.. if we get given the whole cake, we will feel sick.

conversely, being fed too much cake makes those without a sweet tooth run for the hills.

[chocolate]

Just for all still interested in the nature of our super abilities ;), a fresh link to be explored: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/consciousness-health/2013/oct/20/researchers-unravel-mystery-miracles-health-prayer/#.UmV8Y2y0om8.facebook.
And I did love the Uri Geller talk. There were several videos posted some time ago which were also quite interesting.

[araucaria]

Carmody...that is exactly the "trick" , isnt it....to stop falling asleep at the wheel. Have you spotted the points at which unconsciouness is triggered?



北冥有魚，其名為鯤。鯤之大，不知其幾千里也。化而為鳥，其名為鵬。鵬之背，不知其幾千里也；怒而飛，其翼若垂天之雲。是鳥也，海運則將徙於南冥。南冥者，天池也。齊諧者，志怪者也。諧之言曰：

The breakdown occurs when integrating with others. In any way, shape, or form.

It originates in one's deeper "Canted 'Kant Can't' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant) Rant". (just having a bit of fun with wordplay)

To be truthful, just before I came to the forum and almost immediately read this thread, those four words, as an idea and bit of humour in wordplay...came to me. Yet, I've barely ever read or heard of Kant.

See how this works?

C'mon Carmody, have mercy on the common men.

We'd like to understand what you write too you know? ;)
It's all about homogeneous harmonics and bilocation:


North offerings with fish, its called Kun. Kun large, do not know its thousands of miles also. Into a bird, its name is Peng. Peng's back, I do not know its thousands of miles away also; anger and flying, its wings if the cloud hanging days. Is a bird, sea will resettlement in South offerings. Southern Ming who Tianchi also. Homogeneous harmonic who that mystery also. Harmonic of Yanyue:

[Roisin]

Just for all still interested in the nature of our super abilities ;), a fresh link to be explored: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/consciousness-health/2013/oct/20/researchers-unravel-mystery-miracles-health-prayer/#.UmV8Y2y0om8.facebook.
And I did love the Uri Geller talk. There were several videos posted some time ago which were also quite interesting.

We still have a long way to go because those authoritative voices within the New Thought/Quantum Physics arena are stuck on the notion that "healings" can occur via those "intentions" of the sender to the receiver which is true but it's only part of the story.

But amazingly enough, these same researchers are ignoring those testimonies by those healers out there who are known throughout the world and throughout history who work through spirits to heal others. John of God is one living example of this. Mary Eddy the founder of Christian Science though took the more universal route and simple called it the "singular mind or Spirit", but those healers and shamans out there always are working with several spirits and not just one. The reason why is each spirit, and here we are talking about alleged human discarnates, have their specialties.

But such talk about spirits and their connection to miraculous healings is a contentious topic among those researchers from places like the Noetic Institute because they are stuck on making sure everything sounds scientific regardless that such processes leave out whole chunks of information that in fact reveal the true source of such miracles.

The shaman's higher mind/self is only the instrument through which those spirits channel their energy through so as to effect a healing to the person the shaman is passing on that same energy to.

Those spirits are the helpers of higher intelligence's and are just a part of a hierarchy that exists in the etheric world. One works through the other from the top and on down to our own plane where the shaman and patient is.

But to say that the shaman heals via their "intention" via their higher selves is only a part of what really going on here. There's much more to it.

Of course, only those who are in contact with the spirit world know with absolute certainty that what I'm saying is true. We can't expect that those who have never been in contact on a regular basis with the spirit world to acknowledge the role of those intelligences in those other realms in the process of paranormal healings.

Researchers are too concerned about making sure that everything they say sounds "scientific" but this is at the expense of presenting how things really are. Because of this they are distorting the truth so that it fits whatever "scientific" paradigm they are operating in resulting in just more mumbo jumbo that bears little resemblance to those real processes that are involved in the phenomenon.

[Billy]

Carmody...that is exactly the "trick" , isnt it....to stop falling asleep at the wheel. Have you spotted the points at which unconsciouness is triggered?



北冥有魚，其名為鯤。鯤之大，不知其幾千里也。化而為鳥，其名為鵬。鵬之背，不知其幾千里也；怒而飛，其翼若垂天之雲。是鳥也，海運則將徙於南冥。南冥者，天池也。齊諧者，志怪者也。諧之言曰：

The breakdown occurs when integrating with others. In any way, shape, or form.

It originates in one's deeper "Canted 'Kant Can't' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant) Rant". (just having a bit of fun with wordplay)

To be truthful, just before I came to the forum and almost immediately read this thread, those four words, as an idea and bit of humour in wordplay...came to me. Yet, I've barely ever read or heard of Kant.

See how this works?

C'mon Carmody, have mercy on the common men.

We'd like to understand what you write too you know? ;)

北冥有魚，其名為鯤。鯤之大，不知其幾千里也。化而為鳥，其名為鵬。鵬之背，不知其幾千里也；怒而飛，其翼 若垂天之雲。是鳥也，海運則將徙於南冥。南冥者，天池也。齊諧者，志怪者也。諧之言曰：

says.

North ming had fish, its name for the first time. Kun, unknown thousands of miles. The bird named Peng. Peng's back, unknown thousands of miles; anger and flies, its wings vertical heaven clouds. Birds, seaborne migration in southern Ming. Southern ming, a pond. Qi Xie, queer. Harmonic statement said:

[grapevine]

http://uk.iacworld.org/

Here is a link to the International Academy of Consciousness which you may find interesting.

btw I'm reading one of the recommended books from Bill's first post - "Gifts of Unknown Things". It is a total delight and I can't put it down. Reading it makes me want to sell up and set sail for Indonesia immediately . . . . So, thumbs up to Bill and heads up to everyone else who hasn't read it yet:)

[Roisin]

Here's John of God's website.

http://www.johnofgod-healing.com/?gclid=CJvfpcm4qroCFe4-Mgod1CAA6A

"I do not cure anybody. God heals, and in his infinite goodness permits the Entities to heal and console my brothers. I am merely an instrument in God's divine hands"
João Texeira de Faria - John of God


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPLQ08ROO1g

[Christine]

Please beware of John of God, he channels many different entities and from first hand reports it appears he has been taken over. I have spoken with many who have visited him and heard not only their deception but in some cases of serious abuse.


Here's John of God's website.

http://www.johnofgod-healing.com/?gclid=CJvfpcm4qroCFe4-Mgod1CAA6A

"I do not cure anybody. God heals, and in his infinite goodness permits the Entities to heal and console my brothers. I am merely an instrument in God's divine hands"
João Texeira de Faria - John of God

[Chester]

Carmody...that is exactly the "trick" , isnt it....to stop falling asleep at the wheel. Have you spotted the points at which unconsciouness is triggered?



A consensus universe, or 3d time-space manifestation. Relation is quantum coupling. Projection via the channel and filter of the hind-brain's co-creation of the structure.

The breakdown occurs when integrating with others. In any way, shape, or form.

It originates in one's deeper "Canted 'Kant Can't' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant) Rant". (just having a bit of fun with wordplay)

To be truthful, just before I came to the forum and almost immediately read this thread, those four words, as an idea and bit of humour in wordplay...came to me. Yet, I've barely ever read or heard of Kant.

See how this works?

Yes I do (finally). And I barely survived my resistance to this truth. Thanks for the Wiki link to Immanuel Kant.


He argued that human concepts and categories structure our view of the world and its laws, and that reason is the source of morality.

POW! Precisely.

[Roisin]

Please beware of John of God, he channels many different entities and from first hand reports it appears he has been taken over. I have spoken with many who have visited him and heard not only their deception but in some cases of serious abuse.


Here's John of God's website.

http://www.johnofgod-healing.com/?gclid=CJvfpcm4qroCFe4-Mgod1CAA6A

"I do not cure anybody. God heals, and in his infinite goodness permits the Entities to heal and console my brothers. I am merely an instrument in God's divine hands"
João Texeira de Faria - John of God

So he's permanently possessed now? I'm sorry to hear that. I personally think that all channelers are possessed by those entities they channel.

[Chester]

Just for all still interested in the nature of our super abilities ;), a fresh link to be explored: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/consciousness-health/2013/oct/20/researchers-unravel-mystery-miracles-health-prayer/#.UmV8Y2y0om8.facebook.
And I did love the Uri Geller talk. There were several videos posted some time ago which were also quite interesting.

We still have a long way to go because those authoritative voices within the New Thought/Quantum Physics arena are stuck on the notion that "healings" can occur via those "intentions" of the sender to the receiver which is true but it's only part of the story.

But amazingly enough, these same researchers are ignoring those testimonies by those healers out there who are known throughout the world and throughout history who work through spirits to heal others. John of God is one living example of this. Mary Eddy the founder of Christian Science though took the more universal route and simple called it the "singular mind or Spirit", but those healers and shamans out there always are working with several spirits and not just one. The reason why is each spirit, and here we are talking about alleged human discarnates, have their specialties.

But such talk about spirits and their connection to miraculous healings is a contentious topic among those researchers from places like the Noetic Institute because they are stuck on making sure everything sounds scientific regardless that such processes leave out whole chunks of information that in fact reveal the true source of such miracles.

The shaman's higher mind/self is only the instrument through which those spirits channel their energy through so as to effect a healing to the person the shaman is passing on that same energy to.

Those spirits are the helpers of higher intelligence's and are just a part of a hierarchy that exists in the etheric world. One works through the other from the top and on down to our own plane where the shaman and patient is.

But to say that the shaman heals via their "intention" via their higher selves is only a part of what really going on here. There's much more to it.

Of course, only those who are in contact with the spirit world know with absolute certainty that what I'm saying is true. We can't expect that those who have never been in contact on a regular basis with the spirit world to acknowledge the role of those intelligences in those other realms in the process of paranormal healings.

Researchers are too concerned about making sure that everything they say sounds "scientific" but this is at the expense of presenting how things really are. Because of this they are distorting the truth so that it fits whatever "scientific" paradigm they are operating in resulting in just more mumbo jumbo that bears little resemblance to those real processes that are involved in the phenomenon.

Who creates these "spirits" that then "play a role" in some being's healing?

this is all just my current opinion -

I would bet any healing comes strictly from the one who is healed based on their enthusiastic "belief" they could be and would be healed. The "shaman" or any other being that plays a role in a healing event is simply a being who happens to be good at generating and stimulating this required enthusiasm. The details at lower levels may involve 3rd parties (spirits, etc), but I see all that as dilution.

I "heal" me.

I do that by recognizing "sick" is not what I care to experience though I must admit, my agreement to enter into the domain of the "genetic entity" and then this body does impact my experience.

[Carmody]

Carmody...that is exactly the "trick" , isnt it....to stop falling asleep at the wheel. Have you spotted the points at which unconsciouness is triggered?



A consensus universe, or 3d time-space manifestation. Relation is quantum coupling. Projection via the channel and filter of the hind-brain's co-creation of the structure.

The breakdown occurs when integrating with others. In any way, shape, or form.

It originates in one's deeper "Canted 'Kant Can't' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant) Rant". (just having a bit of fun with wordplay)

To be truthful, just before I came to the forum and almost immediately read this thread, those four words, as an idea and bit of humour in wordplay...came to me. Yet, I've barely ever read or heard of Kant.

See how this works?

Yes I do (finally). And I barely survived my resistance to this truth. Thanks for the Wiki link to Immanuel Kant.


He argued that human concepts and categories structure our view of the world and its laws, and that reason is the source of morality.

POW! Precisely.

Another quote:


Kant saw that the mind could not function as an empty container that simply receives data from the outside. Something must be giving order to the incoming data. Images of external objects must be kept in the same sequence in which they were received. This ordering occurs through the mind's intuition of time. The same considerations apply to the mind's function of constituting space for ordering mappings of visual and tactile signals arriving via the already described chains of physical causation.

While not wholly original in scope, it is a definite formation of such thinking being brought to the western world of philosophy... and thus, to science, science being the child of philosophy. Philosophy being the place science has to go to when it has an unresolvable conflict (to increase it's scope when it cannot discern, ie 'Godel's incompleteness theorem', as applied to science)

'Is this a dagger I see before me', as Shakespeare said. The same applies to visions and object/environment formation in remote viewing and..in the case of this thread, to create the tools in order to have the given psychic skill. To master the energies, we must have a idealized and objectified/shaped point of integration with them.

Imagination and formation of shapes (energetic considerations, and whatnot), their sheer depth and possibly intricacy (if required), is king, when it comes to development of such skills. An essential component.

one can even champion a situation via utilizing the energetic formation capacities of others. this takes me back to the deal with Doyle Noyes and his formation of a storm and then others inputting their fears and forms into it (as they saw the storm and projected upon and within it's 'existence') ,and then he being able to manipulate that flow and form, to increase his energetic manipulation capacities.

Our given tool set will be individual to the person involved, unless it is some form of agreed upon consensus aspect. Even then, the individual will have at the very least, subtle differences in their perception package...and then, obviously ...differences in their projection package.

Thus, you can think of the consensus reality and it's formation and flow, as a river of differentiated particles that move and thus can move us (our integration with it). We can flow in it, but some aspects of it's flow are nearly infinite, in comparison to the individual that is compelled by it's forces.

Which brings me to a great quote:

"Never forget that only dead fish swim with the stream" -Malcolm Muggeridge

Getting back to the whole 'making people sit down' situation. I could have driven the crowd into a frenzy via the channel of the (crowd) objectified performer that was on stage, but that is dangerous to the performer. Obviously so. This takes us back to 'Charles' statement of what he might have done with a given news/political presentation or whatnot. How to interject into that given situation. same-same.

[minkton]

Please beware of John of God, he channels many different entities and from first hand reports it appears he has been taken over. I have spoken with many who have visited him and heard not only their deception but in some cases of serious abuse.


Here's John of God's website.

http://www.johnofgod-healing.com/?gclid=CJvfpcm4qroCFe4-Mgod1CAA6A

"I do not cure anybody. God heals, and in his infinite goodness permits the Entities to heal and console my brothers. I am merely an instrument in God's divine hands"
João Texeira de Faria - John of God

So he's permanently possessed now? I'm sorry to hear that. I personally think that all channelers are possessed by those entities they channel.
There's no reason whatsoever to presuppose he is permanently anything.

wikilink to Kant! nooooooo! too easy!

Who looked up Kan... my bet is, nobody...:cool:

[Zephra]

Please beware of John of God, he channels many different entities and from first hand reports it appears he has been taken over. I have spoken with many who have visited him and heard not only their deception but in some cases of serious abuse.

I saw John of God in the Spring when he came to Toronto. I have Morgellons. I walked away sicker than I had been, it took 4-5 months to get back to the level of health I had prior. I thought it was very strange that I got so sick after seeing John Of God.

[Roisin]

I'm sorry to hear that Zephra and I'll keep you in my prayers and will send a healing to you too!

[Mike]

Please beware of John of God, he channels many different entities and from first hand reports it appears he has been taken over. I have spoken with many who have visited him and heard not only their deception but in some cases of serious abuse.

I saw John of God in the Spring when he came to Toronto. I have Morgellons. I walked away sicker than I had been, it took 4-5 months to get back to the level of health I had prior. I thought it was very strange that I got so sick after seeing John Of God.


first off, i'm so sorry to hear of your experience. but i'm glad you were able to return to your previous level of health!;)

one thing ive learned Zephra, and it's taken me a looong time, is this: there is no amount of "healing energy" that can cure or even really ameliorate a serious health condition. in my experience anyway, those that are enthusiastic about this angle have read a few interesting books maybe, but have never really truly been sick. sure, you will read of the occasional miracle, but those are few and far between. and I get no joy in saying that. and i'm not trying to discourage you either. hopefully this message will inspire you: it all comes down to you! I know that's not exactly a revelatory statement, and i'm sure you're already aware of it, but it bears repeating. if i'd used all the money I'd wasted on so-called psychics and alleged healers on more practical means of healing, my health journey would not have been nearly so bumpy.

I came very close to seeing John of God myself. but it seems his skills are limited to people who need something *removed* from their body, not folks who need something put in, like power, for example.

for me, I went thru a period of awe and reverence for these types - the John of God types - and then a period of disappointment, then disillusionment, which segued into naked emperors everywhere I looked, which evolved into my current understanding, which is this: there are no emperors. never were. none but you, anyway. it's all on you.

I know there are many, many, well-meaning people, people that want to help and do their best to help people in need, be they healers or psychics or whatever. but I've never met one or talked to one who truly walked their talk. not one. ever. and if receiving these gifts from another involves years of practice, meditation, endless sessions of focused intent, and plugging my as$hole into the 4th dimension with a long silvery cord only to achieve some subtle or imagined result, then really: what's the point? especially when you're so sick you can hardly lift your arm an inch of the bed...

was that a rant? oops.

point is: I've spent a lot of time and a lot of money looking for these types of exceptional people. never found one. not one.

[Shezbeth]

I've spent a lot of time looking [into] these types of exceptional people. never found one. not one.

This is consistent with my experience. Any incidents of astounding metaphysical occurrence have been singular, involving several unestablishable variables. No 2-time 'spontaneous' healers from what I have dug up.

[seko]

I've spent a lot of time looking [into] these types of exceptional people. never found one. not one.

This is consistent with my experience. Any incidents of astounding metaphysical occurrence have been singular, involving several unestablishable variables. No 2-time 'spontaneous' healers from what I have dug up.

You shouldn't be looking for them, have a look inside. You might be your own and only healer.
The body speaks what the mind is thinking.
When you had healed yourself, remember that you won't be able to prove it to anyone else because it's your own experience.

[Davidallany]

I found this video very interesting and is related to my training.
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[chocolate]

Okay, my opinion re. healing powers. Personal experience! Take it with a grain of salt, or more.
My dad is generally with a serious condition. Not treatable for the current state of medicine. He went really sick one day before a month or so. Common flu. From the temperature and his other condition he collapsed on the floor in front of the bathroom where I found him returning from work, which would have been probably after 3-4 hours after it had happened. I will not go in details, but I can say it was the second most difficult night in my life. And I can say I have seen difficult.
He went to sleep and was in that state for a few days briefly in and out. The day after the night I sent him healing powers in my own childish kinda way. I did nothing physical, just so that we are clear on that although I am initiated in reiki for anyone believing.
After the few days he was up and quite quickly. When we spoke about what had happened i jokingly said i was sending him healing energies...and he stunned me (did not expect that) by saying he has had some amazingly peaceful and beautiful dreams round about the time I think when I was trying my magicks.
I don't really care if anyone would believe me, or if I believe in what I said. But the fact is- we will never forget what happened, and my dad is still alive and well, considering everything.

I hope stories like that might bring back the sense of wonder and hope in all of the more skeptic people that seem to inhabit these "years of change". Not that i need any confirmation and acknowledgement, just if it happens I would be happy.

Justoneman, I agree with your statement, but I also think from time to time we all need a bit of help, even as a sign of being needed, loved and cherished. After that we can self-heal. Saying this with lots of love! (and from some very personal experience related to myself)

China with its tradition and philosophy is well ahead of the west when it comes to the different ways of energy healing. And they really don't care if you believe that they can heal you with their intention and hands as the directional tool guiding the power.
There are quite few videos with some exceptional healing occurring, some i have seen posted already on the forum.

[Wookie]

I believe we have all been tricked into not being able to do these things.

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[Chester]

Justoneman, I agree with your statement, but I also think from time to time we all need a bit of help, even as a sign of being needed, loved and cherished. After that we can self-heal. Saying this with lots of love! (and from some very personal experience related to myself)

China with its tradition and philosophy is well ahead of the west when it comes to the different ways of energy healing. And they really don't care if you believe that they can heal you with their intention and hands as the directional tool guiding the power.
There are quite few videos with some exceptional healing occurring, some i have seen posted already on the forum.

Thanks for the story - and I agree we need to share our enthusiasm as that is what fosters more and more enthusiasm and does so in those who recognize none within themselves.

It seems to me that at the deepest level of our being, we chose to be in this experience... at least I hope that's the way this works.

Wookie -
I believe we have all been tricked into not being able to do these things.

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

Perhaps so, but I have to take responsibility for being tricked... on the other hand, when I gaze into the eyes of my children, my wife, my loved... I can see why I made the choice to be here and I know I would make that choice again and again and again.

[Zephra]

My point is John of God must have some power be it good or bad. All I know is I walked out of there sicker and it lasted for months. This happened from the day I walked out of the John Of God event.

[onawah]

I've had healings which made me feel wonderful, but the that feeling of wellness always diminished in time.
I think that is because I had not plugged up the leaks in my energy bodies, or changed the mental and emotional constructs that allowed for me to be in less than an optimal state.
But getting to feel the state of wellness, if only temporarily, helped me to remember what that felt like, and to get a better idea of what I needed to do in order to create wellness in myself.
I think a lot depends on the source of the problem, which can vary.
A purely physical problem can be resolved by improving one's diet, exercising, getting outdoors more etc.
A problem that is a result of some kind of emotional wounding can be resolved through introspection, understanding, processing, etc.
A problem resulting from some spiritual deficit can be resolved with some kind of spiritual practice such as meditation, devotion, study, experiencing altered states, etc.
We are complex beings who live on many levels, and so there are is no one cause or answer to the various ills we may experience.
We can go to the best healer in the world, but if we aren't ready to be healed, then we won't be.
A healer can point the way and help us to understand what we need to do to heal, but ultimately, whether we heal or not is really up to the individual.
Our illness can be a choice, an experience we chose because it is useful in accomplishing some goal that we have decided on a soul level is more important than enjoying good health.

[Shezbeth]

You shouldn't be looking for them, have a look inside. You might be your own and only healer.
The body speaks what the mind is thinking.
When you had healed yourself, remember that you won't be able to prove it to anyone else because it's your own experience.

:doh: I don't recall indicating a need for healing. I only indicated that I have looked into those who claim/are claimed to be healers.

Healing the one person the one time was sufficient for me to verify the potential. If a person wants to be healed they can do it themselves, they can find someone to 'do it for them', or they can avoid the situations that necessitate healing. Or not.

I am a proponent of the idea that people sleep in the beds they have made.

[trenairio]

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[onawah]

We aren't discussing "magic" here, Trenario.
Psychic abilities are in an entirely different category.
Did you read this thread before commenting?

[Christine]

I have tapped my heals three times and been transported to the most incredible of places.

Ruby slippers! I wanted to go home and home I am.

How else do you get there? :)

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1283544/ruby-slippers-o.gif


Trying to do magic is like tapping your heels three times and wishing to go to the Land of Oz.

tldr; its impossible Impossible, not.

:focus:

[Gekko]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JmOvADztL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

I had to come back to this thread to add another recommendation for Gifts of Unknown Things. One of those reads that provides a window into something very precious and forgotten.

(A few parts were shocking, though, so be ready for that)

[pumashared]

i really really hate to ask such a noobish question. but where does one start to gain the same abilities as her? if its possible for all of us to do this, i want to know how i can achieve something like this

[GNC Harteveld]

I have the same question as pumashared.
When i read these things i feel so inadequate, like a money in a tree observing a human make fire.

[Delight]

I suppose you may have heard of Alexandra David-Neel? Her life is inspiring!!

http://idata.over-blog.com/4/05/19/43/Nepal-Octobre-2012/Alexandra-david_neel3.jpg

As an intrepid explorer and spiritual seeker, she traveled to Tibet at a time when it was almost impossible for westerners, especially as a woman. She received lamaist training and did create a tulpa. Her example is a fair one to heed because thoughts once manifested do not like to be dissolved.


The method involved was essentially intense concentration and visualization. David-Neel's tulpa began its existence as a plump, benign little monk, similar to Friar Tuck. It was at first entirely subjective, but gradually, with practice, she was able to visualize the tulpa out there, like an imaginary ghost flitting about the real world.

In time the vision grew in clarity and substance until it was indistinguishable from physical reality-a sort of self-induced hallucination. But the day came when the hallucination slipped from her conscious control. She discovered that the monk would appear from time to time when she had not willed it. Furthermore her friendly little figure was slimming down and taking on a distinctly sinister aspect.

Eventually her companions, who where unaware of the mental disciplines she was practicing, began to ask about the "stranger" who had turned up in their camp-a clear indication that a creature which was no more that solidified imagination had definite objective reality.
At this point, David-Neel decided things had gone too far and applied different lamaist techniques to reabsorb the creature into her own mind. The tulpa proved very unwillling to face destruction in this way so that the process took several weeks and left its creator exhausted.http://www.tulpa.com/explain/alexandra.html

Here's the book:
Magic and Mystery in Tibet, also sometimes translated as
With Mystics and Magicians in Tibet.

MUST READ for all Avalonians. :)

http://projectavalon.net/Magic_and_Mystery_in_Tibet.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/Magic_and_Mystery_in_Tibet.pdf

Three specific supports came along to encourage me in a line of consideration that we are entering a larger context as "artists" and co-creative experience-rs of THE FIELD.

There has been a tendency to divorce the appearance and personifications of energy as "external" and "independent". So we see Gods, ETs, angels, monsters, friendly allies, all based on our inner states.

The story we may encounter looks as it looks because we were there. A group can share the same vision but the group vision is common because of the similar vibration. KNOWING the appearance as Our projection is wakening in the dream.

Incredible and useful and ever present creative capacity of humans is to create thought forms from energy that we "manipulate". The bedrock exceptional ability is the human capacity to experience our creation personally. The common denominator for us is that WE outpicture a "meaning" which is colored by our emotion.

We are becoming conscious of this process and we are learning how we participate. We are all facing this necessary huge leap in expression. Consciousness is ready to expand its experience through us.

The way we appreciate what is created is according to our beliefs and expectations. The collapse of the systems and the "current reality" is becoming apparent and we are the reason.

This is greater than the individual but it IS exceptional FROM us individual people.

1. Here is a recent interview "Examining The Tulpa". I was not able to link the 50 minute interview directly.....

http://radio.consciouslifenews.com/shows/conscious-inquiry/


discussion with author and paranormal researcher Jeff Belanager about tulpas (beings created from focused thought). There are amazing stories in the Tibetan tradition that discuss the reality of tulpa and in more recent years the idea that tulpa (these living beings) may walk among us today.

Is there a connection between tulpa, shadow people, black eyed children and even a newer phenomenon known as “slender man,” that reveal a common thread?

http://consciouslifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Tulpas-and-black-eyed-children-675x240.jpg

2. The Phillip Experiment

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTy3Qnv2d3mE9RNTeLXYF861-MB9LLFpbIQPI96bqJj91kK_XHo


In the 1970's, a group of Canadian parapsychologists wanted to attempt an experiment to create a ghost, proving their theory that the human mind can produce spirits through expectation, imagination and visualization.

The actual experiment took place in Toronto, Canada, in 1972, under the direction of the world-renown expert on poltergeists, Dr A. R. G. Owen.

The members of the experiment proposed an idea... by using extreme and prolonged concentration, they could create their ghost through a collective thought form: Non-physical entities which exist in either the mental or astral plane. In order to create this ghost and make it as 'real' as possible, it needed a life story; a background in which the ghost could 'relate' to.

They named the ghost they were attempting to bring into focus "Philip Aylesford" and created a tragic story, explaining to the fullest and in great detail, his life, and the few actions that lead to his tragic death. http://www.time-loops.net/Experiment_Philip.htm

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3. The work of Barbara Hand Clow (BHC) regarding "Dimensions", specifically the way that higher dimensional information penetrates through the "4th Dimension". The image below shows the "canopy" of the realm of thought through which information passes and is colored....

http://www.handclow2012.com/images/activations1kl.jpg

Dynamics like the Uranus/Pluto square and astrology as a reading of the "field" operate 4th dimensionally. We are much more capable of response from empowerment as creators now in the larger contexts.

very good interview between BHC and Jim Self....
http://www.awakeningzone.com/Episode.aspx?EpisodeID=2390

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[Hervé]

This one is about an "exceptional" (the quotes simply because it should be NORMAL) furry people:

Lifesaving Service Dog Sniffs Out Girl's Disease, Even in Operating Room (http://gma.yahoo.com/lifesaving-dog-sniffs-girl-39-disease-even-operating-110516969--abc-news-health.html;_ylt=An0flpaipGRlg97.uIypRJ6o6.d_;_ylu=X3oDMTQ2N2phMnZ2BG1pdANIUCBMYXRlc3QgTmV3cwRwa2cDY TZkMTNmMWUtZTAxZi0zMjAzLTg5NGQtYjY0ZDliYmE2MTQzBHBvcwMzBHNlYw)

By SUSAN DONALDSON JAMES | Good Morning America – Fri, Dec 20, 2013 5:03 PM EST


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Good Morning America - Lifesaving Service Dog Sniffs Out Girl's Disease, Even in Operating Room (ABC News)


Since she was two months old, Kaelyn "KK" Krawczyk (https://www.facebook.com/AngelPawsforKK) has had a severe form of mastocytosis, which can cause a life-threatening allergic reaction to simple, everyday things – heat, exercise, even exposure to medicines.

Mastocytosis (http://tmsforacure.org/physicians/mastocytosis_explained_1.php#sthash.6ZIGNE8u.dpuf) is a rare disease that causes an abnormal accumulation of mast cells in one or more organ systems. When mast cells are activated, they can induce immediate allergic inflammation. The disease is exceedingly rare and has a broad range of symptoms and severity, according to the Mastocytosis Society.

But for KK, a 7-year-old from Apex, N.C., these allergic reactions can be fatal and can escalate quickly to anaphylaxis or fatal shock.

"She gets too hot, she gets stressed, she has an infection," said her mother, Michelle Krawzyck, 39. "Her reactions range from mild, like being flushed or irritable, to life-threatening drop in blood pressure, vomiting and difficulty breathing."

Doctors had warned the family that KK might not even be able to go to school.

"They said it wasn't safe," said Krawzyck, who has four other children, ages 4 to 16. "She could go into anaphylaxis quickly and we would not know the trigger. We were devastated."

KK needs to be monitored all night long so her parents worry that anything, even hot blankets, might lead to a reaction that causes a fall down the stairs, unconsciousness or worse.

But for the last 18 months, they have a much better medical watchdog: a terrier named JJ who can smell the cell changes before she has a serious reaction and warn her parents that she needs her medical kit.

KK has recurring kidney infections and trips to the hospital. Doctors have discovered that the dye used in surgical procedures and the chemicals in anesthesia can trigger dangerous allergic responses.

"One of the things we know is that she is at high risk for anesthesia," said her mother. "She had a really bad reaction coming out of it in the past. She was really flushed and her blood pressure was low and she had shortness of breath."

So just this week, doctors allowed JJ and her trainer to accompany KK into the operating room at Duke University Medical Center, where she was to have exploratory kidney surgery. The dog was there to alert the anesthesiologist in advance of a reaction so they could ward it off with medication before it becomes life-threatening.

"It was kind of logical, actually," her anesthesiologist, Dr. Brad Taicher told the News-Observer (http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/12/18/3470562/little-dog-has-big-job-as-cary.html), which first reported the story.

"Knowing what JJ could do, we realized that JJ was not much different from other monitors we use."

And JJ does her job well. The terrier picks up the scent of KK's cell changes, then barks and tugs at her parents' clothes.

"The other cool thing she does is she knows how to retrieve her kit with the life-saving meds."

Just one month into training in January, JJ responded during one of KK's worst reactions.

"She started licking our daughter to get her up," said Krawczyk. "All the cardiac monitors were in the normal range. KK said, 'Mommy, I feel like there's a ball in my throat.' She was having swelling, and time is of the essence. Four minutes after JJ alerted us, the monitors started to change."

"She alerts the hospital staff before all their fancy equipment can," said Krawczyk. "It makes believers out of those who didn't believe and confirmed those who did. JJ was a better indicator of when things are starting to go wrong than all the monitors."

JJ was trained in scent detection by Deb Cunningham, program director at Eyes Ears Nose and Paws (http://www.eenp.org/main/) in Chapel Hill, a nonprofit service dog agency.

"One day I was working with a local animal shelter and looking at golden retrievers," she said. "The kennel manager pulled me back and said, 'Hey, I think there is a little dog you should meet.' I had never trained a terrier before and we usually don't work with shelter dogs. I did a temperament test with her. Turned out she was great."

JJ grew up in Cunningham's home and underwent nine months of intense training to be a diabetic alert dog.

Meanwhile, the Krawczyks were looking for a service dog that could alert them when KK was having a reaction and called Cunningham, who had trained dogs in scent work. Cunningham asked if mastocytosis emitted a scent, hoping she might train the little terrier to pick up on the reaction before it became full-blown.

Krawzcyk was asked to swab KK's mouth and save articles of clothing that the girl wore during a reaction so that JJ could be trained to detect her saliva and sweat.

"I couldn't be more proud of JJ," said Cunningham. "She has way surpassed my expectations for what an alert dog can do.... She even alerted someone else in their life who didn't know she had diabetes and went to the doctor as a result."

Now, KK is allowed to go to school with JJ by her side. Her mother, who is an online nursing professor, goes along with her daughter and quietly sits in the classroom doing her work.

"Because JJ is so sensitive I can let KK do all the things she would normally do until JJ alerts me it's time to stop."

For KK, having an alert dog like JJ will be part of the rest of her life.

"We hope she will get better, but we don't expect her disease to go away," said Krawzcyk. "It's a lifelong process for her and that's O.K. Medical science can't provide us with a monitor. JJ is her lifeline and she knows that."

"She [JJ] singlehandedly has done more than any medical person has done," she said. "JJ has given KK a new lease on life and the ability to lead a normal life."


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So, what's being "psychic" in the light of the above article?

To me, it seems like the accurate perception/reading of a set of signals; whether particles or electromagnetic, filtered from any interferences; that are indicative of the start/birth of some event in the process of unfolding.

[Selene]

So, what's being "psychic" in the light of the above article?

To me, it seems like the accurate perception/reading of a set of signals; whether particles or electromagnetic, filtered from any interferences; that are indicative of the start/birth of some event in the process of unfolding.


Exactly!

Wonderful dog, though. Good. good. dog!

Cheers,

Selene

[birddog]

Our government and our agencies will use any good resource that they can get....animal, human or machine..to help them with
intelligence gathering. If there is something that is available on US soil, and it does things that they cannot do, then they will
find a way to 'take it', and use it for their purposes, be it animal, human or machine. They will experiment, mark the subject with
locaters (that send off a signal when one passes a cell phone tower, and send off a signal that can be tracked in space for
retrieval. They can keep a human or an animal as many lifetimes as they want.

I know all about this, as I am one of their subjects, but I am not alone. I have also spoke with others working on military bases that also are subjected to this. Project Talent picks out certain people for their knowledge, abilities, or both. One is
'volunteered' by others, and once in, you don't get out.

They wanted me to find others like me, and I said "No..never....and have you do to them what you did to me?...never."
If you have any abilities, keep them to yourself, less the agencies find you.

This is part of the reason why I said the USA is not free anymore. I am free to move around and about, but they are those
in stealth always with me. I get a glimpse of them every once in awhile. They say they have big plans for me...next lifetime.

In the article it stated that there are limits to machines. From what I have seen off-world with the advanced aliens, I have to disagree. Machines will advance to become more 'alive' with change.

My information is from personal experiences here, and with the Galactic Confederation in space. I have seen space rise up and fold over like a rug, and traveled through wormholes to the other side of the Universe in the 9th sector for a meeting and back here by morning. .....And our science tells us it would take years..

Impose no limitations on yourself concerning spiritual gifts. I believe that we all will receive ( as long as we are open to it) the knowledge and abilities to do what what is needed to survive in the times ahead. I also believe that these gifts are part of the ascension process of us 'becoming our higher selves'.

[birddog]

Paula, I believe that by sharing our spiritual gifts with others, we all learn. It is my belief that we all are here at this particular time for a reason. Some people are experiencing their own awakening and discovering their spiritual gifts. So that they don't think that they should suppress them, I believe we should share in a way to let others know that this phenomena is happening, and that they should be open to it too. But at the same time, they should be cautious as to revealing their true identity.

[Innocent Warrior]

Thanks for the awesome reading list Bill! This is my favourite topic of all. "The PK Man" sounds amazing, I can't wait to read it. Thanks also for the pdf, cool! I'm in awe of the holographic nature of the universe, the implications and possible applications of it, stunning!

[cruza-1]

Be gentle this is my first post / reply, my sole intention is to stimulate thought.

Thank you Bill for bring this subject to the attention of all. There are many great replies and links in the 18 pages I've read.

Running Deer you made the most accurate and moving rely I have every read in any forum in 20 years (refer pg 1) I can honestly relate to your comment … thank you. What we write defines who we are, for ALL to see.
You also mentioned Mary Rodwell, (refer pg 7) Mary lives not far from me and I have had many enlightening and educational conversations with her in the past.

A thought;
A life time of rejection, ridicule, isolation and spiritual warfare as a reward for helping people, yet still persist with greater love, is this position one you would willingly accept. The greatest reward is to see a troubled person smile and find some peace.

I have read incalculable numbers of scientific papers, journals and many other documents on this subject, over the past 30 years, my conclusion, specific areas of the Military and the scientific community know the truth. Yet, they will not publically acknowledge the truth. I refer to this as a control mechanism. There is excessive mistrust and power plays between Governments and countries. The Russians are more open to their programs of the past 75 years than any other country I know off.

If you want to know the truth bad enough … you will find it. The problem then becomes that many people do not want to know and accept what they find.

This is a brilliant, yet very controversial subject matter. I believe everyone should be aware of its existence and some of the truths associate to this subject. Those with the ability or gift know the truth. Additionally, through my experience it is over analysed.

Awareness starts here;

1) There are those that portray and embellish ‘themselves’ that do not have the gift, yet, they pretend they do, to manipulate others that are seeking help and understanding. As well as financial gain.
2) There are those that have the gift ‘in part’ that behave in the same manner as those above (1).
3) There are those that have the gift ‘in full’ which behave in the same manner as the above (1 & 2).
4) There are the ones you never hear about and reject recognition for their work and efforts.

How does one recognise the four archetypal groups and recognise their intent and purpose? good or bad?

As stated Biblically, ‘Be aware of the wolf in sheep’s clothing’. This raises the question … how do you recognize a wolf? Basically your five senses are of no use to you. You can only feel their projected energy (To quote Selene's replies; “Experience & Ego” (refer pg 7 & 16 of this thread)

Therefore; for the uninitiated listen to your spirit / heart, as your inner spirit tells no lies only the truth. But … there is one mitigating environmental condition which must be considered, a behavioural trait we all have or have had at one time. When a person requires immediate assistance with an issue which is in part or wholly based upon ‘Fear’ ALL your defence mechanisms are down.
‘When you are drowning you will clutch at anything that ‘may appear’ to save you’. It is this factor which keeps those with ulterior intentions and motivations in business and the individual seeking help on the back foot. And lastly ... this feeds the skeptics.

[Roberta]

Bill,
There is an old film from 1978 that treats this subject exceptionally well. The film is The Medusa Touch, starring Richard Burton. It is a psychological thriller about a novelist, a telekinetic, who causes disasters simply by thinking about them. Although treated in a sensational manner, the subject leaves one with disturbing thoughts, indeed. Maybe the gift (or the curse) of telekinetics is more often uncontrolable than not...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Bill,
There is an old film from 1978 that treats this subject exceptionally well. The film is The Medusa Touch, starring Richard Burton. It is a psychological thriller about a novelist, a telekinetic, who causes disasters simply by thinking about them. Although treated in a sensational manner, the subject leaves one with disturbing thoughts, indeed. Maybe the gift (or the curse) of telekinetics is more often uncontrolable than not...

People think of hurricanes as a disaster, but if they did not occur, the weather on earth would be disrupted, and balance would be lost.
Without some sort of controlled release of negative energy, the tendency is for such energy to fatally accumulate.

It could very well be that "natural disasters" (unconscious events) are preferable to contrived ones,
as "acts of God" as they are often called, are the "great equalizer".

Hope it makes sense. watch out for the trolls today

[Baby Steps]

http://www.amazon.com/Rattlesnake-Fire-memoir-extra-dimensional-experience/dp/0615185843

Psychic Self Defence - Dion Fortune** How Arcturians Are Healing Planet Earth - Wayne Brewer
Walking between worlds belonging to none - Ann Andrews** PK Man - Jeffrey Mishlove
The Man Who Stare At Goats - Jon Ronson** The Practical Psychic Self Defense Book - Robert Bruce

BUMP!

Wayne Brewer has been recommended to me!

ARCTURIAN ENERGY!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBC8pM5X8cQ

[Mari]

I've heard & read that we ALL have the inherent ability to do 'amazing' things, but the ability to do this was 'switched off' aeons ago. We were originally beings with a 12-strand helix to our DNA, but the human race was genetically altered down to just the 2 strands, which we know today. This effectively 'castrated' us - & resulted in vastly limiting our conciousness & abilities. The so-called 'redundant junk DNA' in our system is now being re-evaluated by those scientists/geneticists who are bravely stepping outside of the 'box'. But don't expect any MSM 'revelations' soon!
By divine intention, we are in the process of being slowly 're-booted' & being returned to our divine state - as powerful co-creators. A few humans have been born with this ability already intact & I think their purpose is to wake the rest of us up - to be the 'wayshowers'.

[panthyr]

I loved The Holographic Universe! I was in tears, not of sadness but because it blew my mind after reading it... Such a great book. I'm not sure if this is the place to ask but where is the best place to discuss lucid dreams? Where is the best place to discuss paranormal experiences and psychic phenomena? Best place to discuss contact with "orbs" (sorry not sure what else to call them, I don't claim to know what an "orb" is exactly)? There are other topics of interest, but these are areas of interest to start with, and I want to know the best places to go to read and post for topics. I'm new and this is a big site so I hope you don't mind me asking these questions on this thread. Thanks for the invite! This looks like a really cool place!

[Deega]

Hi Panthyr, Welcome to Avalon, a great place to share your ideas, a great place to open up Treads on the like of "Lucid Dreams", "Paranormal Phenomenon", "Psychic Ability", and the like. I wish you a Great Scientific and Spiritual Journey here!

If you have any questions, or need help with anything, please just let me know. If it's something that I can't handle, then I'll find someone who can.

If you want to, you can reply to this visitor message and continue our conversation by clicking VIEW CONVERSATION -- just above here, and to the right. This will be viewable by all the other members (if anyone wants to see it!).

I’ve highlighted several threads that are designed help you navigate the forum.

Bill Ryan’s Welcome to Avalon thread where members may reply.
http://projectavalon.net/r/Welcome.php

Paul’s Sandbox practice thread (a place to learn or sharpen your skills in such areas as adding pictures, creating links, and replying with quoted material).
http://projectavalon.net/r/Sandbox.php

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http://projectavalon.net/r/TechQA.php

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http://projectavalon.net/r/Info.php

Bill Ryan’s threads, including a link to his 2011 interview.
http://projectavalon.net/r/BillRyan.php

Priority threads
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Two threads which are informal and diverse in scope:

Here and Now…What’s Happening
http://projectavalon.net/r/HereAndNow.php

Up At The Ranch and Beyond
http://projectavalon.net/r/Ranch.php


And again, Welcome To Avalon!

[psychic 11]

Im a psychic empath, and as such have experiences that i found hard to understand. Im also an Independent Scientologist. I have read for many clients worldwide.
Here are a view of the amazing things Ive observed as a psychic. I have observed trees swaying in the wind in my immediate surroundings, and not doing this down the road for example. I have thought of some beautiful flowers to appear in nature, and I somehow manifest them almost right there in present time. I may add these abilities only turned on for me in 2007. They are much stronger now. I would like to read anyone else's feedback on their psychic abilities also this would be great for us to share our stories here.

[ulli]

The moment one begins to study oneself, scientifically observing, without vanity nor judgment, these abilities multiply.

It's as if one enters a reality that was always there, but while asleep and submerged in one's worries and delusions and plotting survival strategies one could not see it.

So all we really have to do is maintain a state of inner equilibrium, and then carry on living in a state of wonder and astonishment at what becomes possible.

The main question then is "what to do next?" What agenda to follow?
Because with these abilities comes the responsibility to start a creative life, and to share with others.

Like the sun pouring out radiance without distinction.

The fact that everything was set up in this way, that the possibility exists to have this effect on our reality and pass beyond the space -time barrier means some intelligence far greater than the most evolved ETs had to have set this up.

And this is the thing that makes life on earth so special; that we can discover these abilities and express them to our hearts content.

[SabreToothMom]

quote respectfully shortened by me to show what I'm about to comment on :


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* I mentioned Inelia above. Some of you may have watched my 2011 interview with her, and there is a thread about her here (A most interesting one -- do read from the start.)

The Inelia thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread)

The video is here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZqzZUV19w
The more astonishing unbelievable stories of things Inelia had done or experienced we decided to edit OUT of the interview because the accounts of spectacular psychic abilities (many of them just as unbelievable as anything you might hear or read about anywhere else) was not the point of her message. Inelia has (maybe wisely) never publicly told some of her personal stories. Material that is extremely hard for most people to believe does tend to get in the way.

I'll start by saying I'm new here.. not just to Project Avalon, but to "all of this". I mean, I've always been different since I was born and have always known things that other people think are crazy, but it is what it is. But I"m new to finding others similar to me and participating in a group of similar minded folks. I don't have the terminology you all do, I haven't read any books, I don't know if the things I know and have experienced before and during this incarnation are similar to what others have experienced, etc. So please bear with me...

So, to the point of this post... I watched the video above (most of it, still have to finish the rest) and I found myself needing to ask whether there is an actual video production artifact happening when Bill is on the screen at the beginning, or if i'm seeing things, or if I've just seen my first aura. When I watch Bill on the screen he changes colors in a way that reminds me of the inside of a seashell, all luminescent and shimmerey and changing colors in such a way that I can't quite tell WHAT color I'm seeing... blues, greens, and indigos and silver/crystal mostly...

I'm just wondering if its my eyes acting up, if the video has some color fluctuation appearance to others due to some sort of video publishing issue, or whether I'm seeing what it seems I'm seeing.

Sorry to go so long to say so little. And thank you all for having me here.

[raregem]

Welcome to the forum Sabre. PA is a warm place to share your thinking, questions and experiences without being judged. Great question.. I do not have an answer but someone here most likely can guide you to a conclusion and/or understanding of your experience.

[Hervé]

I have never heard of Nina Kulagina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kulagina) before (search didn't yield anything):


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Published on Jan 27, 2016
Born Ninel Sergeyevna Kulagina on July 30, 1926 in Leningrad, Nina was very much an average, tough Russian woman. She was loyal to her country, joining the tank regiment of the Red Army during World War II when she was only 14. After the war, she married and became a housewife, living what anyone would describe as an average life until she began to test if the psychic abilities of her mother might have rubbed off on her.

It was during Nina’s private attempts at developing these psychic abilities that she seemingly unlocked something within her. The most well-known of these alleged abilities was psychokinesis (PK), or the moving of objects with the mind. Nina could move a wide variety of items including clock pendulums, crystal bowls, matches, cigarettes, compass needles, bread loaves, salt shakers, and many other small objects (often placed in Plexiglass boxes to show there were no strings attached). She first became aware of this ability when things would move whenever she would get angry. And aside from her famous stopping of a frog’s heart, Nina performed another fascinating feat: she separated an egg. That might not sound so amazing until you know that the egg was floating in a salt water tank two meters away from her. And she brought the yolk and white back together again when instructed to do so.

[...]

(more under the YouTube video)

[Bob]

:bump2:
well worth the read :)

[Blanco]

I look forward to these books. My own, somewhat troubling experiences with what I do not like to directly label(due lack of knowledge or understanding) so will dub “paranormal”. I’d say it fits the definition as most normal people probably don’t have visions etc haha.
I am slightly familiar with the holographic universe theory, due to my attempted studies in quantum mechanics. However have never read the book.
When I hear psychic abilities discussed or shunned I think of the Arthur C Clarke quote “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” And I’d say the human body is the most advanced technological marvel we’ve come across. The human mind alone is still little understood.

[Leonard]

Many of the global elites already know these and they are keeping these knowledge for themselves. I believe many people had seen people set unreal records, like speed reading, super calculations and etc. Many of these records are done by intuitions. As you keep practicing your intuition, you can use it more frequently with greater accuracy. In our current society school teaching, they focus too much on left brain. Making us more like a robot and slow thinkers.
However, if we train our right brain more, we tend to be more creative and intuitive. The reason why kids have super absorption, creativity and psychics abilities is because their left brain haven't been fully developed.
Try to develop your right brain more and use your left brain to decode all the universal messages received from the right brain. You may want to participate in some of the midbrain activation courses. Many people said it is a scam but without strong evidences and couldn't bring down the companies, so I won't believe them but thinking they are the puppets of the global elites.

[ArchAeon]

Anyone interested in learning certain "Psychic" abilities can use simple "Sigil Magick" as a way to receive a way to learn these abilities. If you are unaware of sigil magick, read up on "Chaos Magick".

P.S.

USE EXTREME CAUTION, you can severely alter your life in undesirable ways if you do not know what you are doing.

[Bill Ryan]

:bump::bump::bump:


I mentioned this wonderful thread in my reply to ndroock1 here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107608-Psychic-Surgery-it-s-real-and-it-works&p=1300766&viewfull=1#post1300766) (about Psychic Surgery), and realized no-one had seen it for a while. As with many wonderful threads, some newer members might very well not know it's here. Enjoy. :sun:

[Jayke]

The moment one begins to study oneself, scientifically observing, without vanity nor judgment, these abilities multiply.

It's as if one enters a reality that was always there, but while asleep and submerged in one's worries and delusions and plotting survival strategies one could not see it.

So all we really have to do is maintain a state of inner equilibrium, and then carry on living in a state of wonder and astonishment at what becomes possible.

The main question then is "what to do next?" What agenda to follow?
Because with these abilities comes the responsibility to start a creative life, and to share with others.

Like the sun pouring out radiance without distinction.

The fact that everything was set up in this way, that the possibility exists to have this effect on our reality and pass beyond the space -time barrier means some intelligence far greater than the most evolved ETs had to have set this up.

And this is the thing that makes life on earth so special; that we can discover these abilities and express them to our hearts content.

That’s a beautifully expressed notion of the Samapatti (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samāpatti) principle in Buddhism. Samatha, Samapatti and Dhyana. The only 3 techniques a person ever needs to extinguish suffering according to the Buddha in The Complete Enlightenment Sutra (http://www.buddhistische-gesellschaft-berlin.de/downloads/sutraofcompleteenlightenment.pdf):




”Majestic Virtue, you should know
that the unsurpassable mind of
great enlightenment is intrinsically nondual. Even though the various expedients
that accord with it
are limitless in number,
the teachings of the Tathagata are altogether three in kind.
Quiescent and still in samatha,
[the mind] is like a mirror
reflecting myriad images.
Samapatti, wherein all is seen as an illusion, is like a bud growing gradually.
Dhyana is quiescent-extinction,
[yet, its functions are] like the sound
of a musical instrument.
These three wondrous Dharma methods
are all in accordance with enlightenment. The Tathagatas in all ten directions
and the great bodhisattvas
achieve Buddhahood through them.
Perfect actualization of these three
is called ultimate nirvana”

Timeless words of wisdom from Ulli! worthy of a bump!:bowing::star:

[GenieD]

I have the gift of premonition Bill and its been a life saver for me on a few occasions. My friends think I am kind of spooky. I am also highly sensitive to spiritual beings. I had a horrible encounter in Ireland in 2008 that scared me badly. I went to visit a friend and she took me to a famous lighthouse landmark. As we drove to the lighthouse we were passing a very big house on the right that overlooked the sea. She said it had been empty for over 75 years. She stopped so I could look at it. I got out the car and as I approached the gates, I could feel a chill flow right over me and through me and my hair almost stood on end. I touched the gates and it was as if evil opened up right in front of me. I froze and my friend came over and she asked me what was wrong. I told her that the house was evil and that people had been murdered in it. She asked me how I knew that. The house windows and doors were boarded over and as we both looked at it, the wood suddenly flew off the house. We both turned and ran for the car. We left in a hurry. On the return trip both of us paused at the gate and the boards were back on the house windows and door. When we got back to Wellington Bridge, we did the research on the house and discovered that the family who used to live there were all murdered and that every person who bought the house since then left in a hurry and put the house back on the market. I saw that family in that house and they were screaming in my mind. It took a while before I could wipe them from my mind and not feel fear. But I will remember them.

[Bill Ryan]

:bump: :bump: :bump:

[Hitchy]

Here's what I can contribute..

Tantric energy tested by science

AIR1lBHS2Pg

[Casey Claar]

I always enjoy hearing of, and seeing activations others of us are experiencing.

In 2017 a dormant spiritual skill within me began expressing itself. It arrived following a seriously disciplined lifetime involving spiritual practices aimed at discovering the self. A little blurb can be read here (https://consciousnessexploration.com/about/). I am maybe a little nervous about sharing this so quickly before having much of a chance to get to know anyone, but I tend to gravitate toward subjects like this so maybe the least I could do is also share. I would post a link to a different video ( interview ) but I have only just begun going out more with this and it is currently the best sample of the skill and how it came about.


https://consciousnessexplorationblog.files.wordpress.com/2022/05/casey-gtc-7.jpeg
Consciousness, Crystals and Contact; the Communications Function of Crystals (https://rumble.com/v12jm82-casey-claar-beings-manifesting-in-crystals.html)


It is something you have to see to believe.

It took even me 5 years to integrate this and acknowledge it is real.

The link is going to take you to Rumble, and to a recent interview on Project Camelot. So if that is something you're not up for, don't click the link. I am happy to go into this the old fashion way, in writing. If by chance anyone is interested in how this happened.


Casey

[Casey Claar]

Paula, I believe that by sharing our spiritual gifts with others, we all learn. It is my belief that we all are here at this particular time for a reason. Some people are experiencing their own awakening and discovering their spiritual gifts. So that they don't think that they should suppress them, I believe we should share in a way to let others know that this phenomena is happening, and that they should be open to it too. But at the same time, they should be cautious as to revealing their true identity.


I feel the absolute safest place for any of us is out in the open. It is the first place my Group had me go. The more who know we exist on the planet the harder it is for those who may want any of us removed. This said, the answer to it all, is that which instigates these gifts to begin with--inner connection with Inner being and our movement in direct alignment. This answer remains the same beginning to end. Something I feel we must all improve at, is realizing 3D is 3D, and ourselves not breaking 3D rules as we g r a d u a t e .

Free-will is a critical component of the 3D illusion. Many of us have been known to mis-step when it comes to this. Notably those 'positively' oriented individualities who wish to "help others out." I know that my own Inner being makes it clear to me that I must work with-and-within free-will (https://consciousnessexploration.com/2021/04/10/log-three-obes-about-shifts/), and that I am allowed only so much "give", that if I step beyond, THEY will remove me from the playing field. This mission is in and out, not a cycling back round and around.

Just some things to think about.


Casey

[Blastolabs]

Welcome to Avalon,

I enjoyed the interview, it's inspiring to see what a lifetime of meditation can manifest.

[Casey Claar]

Hey thanks for listening in, Blastolabs :star: and thank you for the welcome.

It is a lot to wrap your mind around isn't it? It took me a long time. It couldn't be more SURPRISING ( or shocking ) that this is how we chose to manifest our service, lol.

Inner being has an excellent sense of humor. <--This is I have known from the beginning. lol

It will be interesting to see where all this is going. I am let to glean so little in advance.

I learn it in real-time along with the rest of us.

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping this fascinating thread with a new post from Helvetic on his thread:

(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1697488&viewfull=1#post1697488)~~~

Our Superhuman Powers with Caroline Cory | Jan. 4, 2026

Source: New Thinking Allowed with Jeffrey Mishlove YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@NewThinkingAllowed)

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Description:

Caroline Cory is a filmmaker, author, teacher, and healer. Her most recent film is Superhuman: From the Invisible to the Visible. Other films include E.T. Contact: They Are Here, I Am The Universe/I Am Love, and Among Us. Her books include Holy Crocodile: Stories of Saints and the Animals Who Helped Them, The Visible and Invisible Worlds of God, God Among Us: Inside the Mind of Divine Masters, and The Divine Plan: Now and Beyond 2250.

She explains that, since early childhood, she has experienced beings of light as well as energy patterns around people. This led her to search for both answers and practical applications. Her film, Superhuman, offers a synthesis of scientific and philosophical interpretations -- as well as on-camera practical demonstrations of extrasensory perception and psychokinesis.

(Recorded on July 4, 2020)


Superhuman - The Invisible Made Visible | 2020

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Plot:

"SUPERHUMAN: The Invisible Made Visible" documents the jaw-dropping experiences of individuals with extra-sensory powers that seem to defy the laws of physics known to man today. Producer and host Caroline Cory, who has her own extensive experience in the field of Consciousness Studies and Extra Sensory Perception, takes the viewers on an extraordinary journey to achieve tangible and measurable proof of these seemingly miraculous phenomena.

Through a series of groundbreaking on-camera scientific experiments, viewers will find themselves connecting the dots about the true nature of their own consciousness, the relation between mind and matter and discover whether they live in a simulated matrix or if they can have control over their physical reality and create a fulfilling human experience. The film ultimately shows that once the invisible worlds are made visible, this attained higher awareness will transform humans into superhumans.

[petra]

You're really touching on something important here
Humans are most definitely still evolving. For me it's scary, I see videos like this and just can't fathom how people can be so calm and collected when something so huge is happening
The difference between me and most people is I'm on anti psychotic medications (which I am slowly weaning myself off)