Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people

[Bill Ryan]

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There's been quite a bit of discussion on Avalon about the topic of people claiming or reporting exceptional abilities or exceptional (unbelievable) experiences -- that seem to defy all possibility of being anything other than fantasy.

Below are a number of books and references that provide a mere starting point for discussion of this topic. My own experiences strongly suggest that reality is rather more malleable than our high school physics teachers might have led us to believe. :)

I KNOW FOR A FACT that many Avalon members have experienced these kinds of phenomena for themselves. Both black and white magic (or shamanism) are not much more than bringing these abilities under focused control -- for whatever agenda one might have.

If we on Avalon have friends amongst us with these abilities, we should be thankful that they have the highest intentions. The story of Ted Owens ("The PK Man") is a salutary tale here.

All the global elite controllers know and understand this well. Like Darth Vader, they use their Jedi powers all the time. But there exist good Jedi, too -- in steadily increasing numbers. I'm privileged to know a few of them. Most (but not all) keep a very low profile, for obvious reasons.

Here's the reading list! And, as I remark below, this is merely a start.

The PK Man: A True Story of Mind Over Matter (http://www.amazon.com/The-PK-Man-Story-Matter/dp/1571741836)

Quoted from Amazon:



Jeffrey Mishlove's The PK Man, the true and strange story of Ted Owens, whose claims of powerful psychokinetic abilities given to him by "Space Intelligences" were too bizarre and extreme for many to believe. When these claims were ignored or challenged, he purportedly used his powers to produce earthquakes, civil unrest, UFO sightings, strange weather events, and other powerful phenomena. Owens even threatened to down aircraft to garner attention.

Was there any truth to Owens' abilities, or was he a fraud with a knack for picking the times and places of catastrophes? Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, a respected parapsychologist and host of the popular public television program Thinking Allowed, analyzes correspondence, interviews, newspaper reports, and remarkable life of "the world's greatest psychic," as Owens claimed to be. Whether Owens was a prodigious liar and dangerous con-man, or a true but unbalanced master who used his incredible powers primarily for petty acts of revenge, many questions remain, and the implications for the rest of us are staggering.

http://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1347626190l/982069.jpgMy own comment:

Ted Owens, who this book is about (and who is no longer with us), was an emotionally troubled psychic who by all accounts had staggering, almost unbelievable abilities that were of an almost godlike nature.

But he was not at all stable, and -- like quite a few people with astonishing gifts: ask any Indigo prodigy, or, for that mater, Inelia Benz! -- had huge trouble integrating into a 'normal' personality what he discovered he could do. He never succeeded.

The book is not only the story of his life and his abilities, but the story of his own battles with himself (and the rest of the world). He lost those battles.

* I mentioned Inelia above. Some of you may have watched my 2011 interview with her, and there is a thread about her here (A most interesting one -- do read from the start.)

The Inelia thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread)

The video is here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZqzZUV19w
The more astonishing unbelievable stories of things Inelia had done or experienced we decided to edit OUT of the interview because the accounts of spectacular psychic abilities (many of them just as unbelievable as anything you might hear or read about anywhere else) was not the point of her message. Inelia has (maybe wisely) never publicly told some of her personal stories. Material that is extremely hard for most people to believe does tend to get in the way.

Another book well worth reading from cover to cover is Michael Tablot's Masterwork, The Holographic Universe.

Here it is as a PDF. Enjoy. :)

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_Michael_Talbot.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_cover_sm.jpg

The relevance here is that after reading The Holographic Universe, you may never again doubt that these kinds of phenomena are possible.

There are many other such books. Lyall Watson's Gifts of Unknown Things (http://www.amazon.com/Gifts-Unknown-Things-Initiation-Indonesias/dp/0892813539) (1976) reports an encounter with a young girl on an Indonesian Island who had abilities that make those of Jim, Inelia, and even Ted Owens seem insigificant in comparison.

She could literally manipulate reality around her -- for instance, creating trees (solid, real ones!) -- where there were none before. Lyall Watson witnessed all of this personally, and a good portion of the book is about what he experienced and saw with his own eyes. This young girl was revered and protected by the islanders as a goddess-shaman of great importance.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JmOvADztL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

At the very beginning of another of Lyall Watson's books -- either Supernature (http://www.amazon.com/Supernature-Lyall-Watson/dp/0340173688) or Lifetide (http://www.amazon.com/Lifetide-Lyall-Watson/dp/0340416688) -- he reports the story of a young Italian girl who had the ability to TURN TENNIS BALLS INSIDE OUT. (Now read that again!)

And in Paul Dong's book China's Super Psychics (http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Paul%20Dong%20-%20China's%20Super%20Psychics.pdf), he reports case after case after case of young Chinese children with abilities so extraordinary that they have all been adopted into special training by the Chinese military.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514NKM904QL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

There is MUCH MUCH MUCH more in the literature about all this. These people exist. My request to all critics and skeptics reading this:

Read these books (or at least, read the reviews, summaries and comments!) and realize that these things are all very real, if exceptional.

We do not want to become an inquisition here. If someone comes to us reporting abilities and experiences, we should, as motivational speaker and writer Dr Stephen Covey says (as his "Habit 5" of The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People)):

Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood.

Enjoy the books, or their reviews! And do please share your similar experiences here. I will read and listen with great interest, and great respect.

[Lifebringer]

Bill I'm hobbling with a severe sprain in the left wrist because of a few, accidents withing a week. Somehow someone is throwing a few hurdles, i got a warning from within before they occurred. Glad the wrist isn't fractured, but since pre publishing phase, lots of hurdles for prevention of completion, but now 1/2 way there again. Wish me well for Season of the Witnesses to be published. It's sci-fy, because science frees the mind to open possibilities at this time, "I'm told." Picks up the youth and expands the consciousness of good and for the good during evolution at this time. Started receiving in fall of 2006 and it's time to finish this. Guess it's part of my mission, gift to our generations.

These gifts serve a purpose at each one's individual time.

[S-L]

I believe such things are possible. While we may cringe at such people being used for military purposes, I think that humanity as a whole needs to cultivate a group of elite psychics to be able to contend with the proven psychic abilities of the alien intervention. It is my understanding that other worlds actively seek out such talent in their young and then make good use of them.

A few relevant quotes from the Allies of Humanity (http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/) material:



"In many advanced cultures in the universe, seers are recognized amongst the ancients and are chosen and specially trained for their future roles ... Their talents are recognized at an early age, and they are all given different forms of education to prepare them to express and to use their natural abilities."

"There are limits to technology. There are limits to travel. There are limits to what anyone can do with machines. You have not yet reached those limits, but they do exist. There are older races in your neighborhood who have reached those limits, and that is why they seek to use power in the mental environment and to develop this power both for their own defense and to take advantage of whatever opportunities may exist within their sphere of influence and within their local regions in space."

"You cannot yet compete in the Greater Community, primarily because you do not understand the mental environment. It is not your technology that is limiting you. Those who are capable in the mental environment can cast a great deal of influence upon a more technically advanced race because minds persuade other minds, minds influence other minds and minds can dominate other minds. Therefore, it is not your technology that is the limiting factor here. It is your lack of understanding of the mental environment."

[naste.de.lumina]

Dear friends.
White or black magic, is nothing more than the implementation of knowledge of quantum physics. People with knowledge of 'magic', traditionally passed from father to son for generations, could be called empirical quantum physicists.
The quantum physics proves that everything in the universe is energy.
The double-slit experiment proves that the observation (consciousness) changes the state of the electron, transforming it from wave to particle. Therefore it is wave and particle at the same time. Changing to satisfy the desire of the observer.
Thus, it is proven in the laboratory that consciences create reality.
The knowledge of how the universe works (knowledge of quantum physics) provides the possibility of actions that seem like magic to those who do not have this knowledge.
Knowledge is power, so knowing how the universe works is power.
So quantum physics does not have a simplified language learning is much less widespread masses.
Learn quantum physics and you'll get extraordinary psychic abilities.

[Abhaya]

Thanks Bill, just ordered two of the books used on amazon. Looking forward to the read

[Neal]

Thank you Bill for the reminder to read The PK Man and The Holographic Universe. Oddly enough they are the two book I notice every time I walk past my bookcase -- I just needed that extra push to go and read them!

[mahalall]

naste.de.lumina:Learn quantum physics and you'll get extraordinary psychic abilities.
Dissolving into Kalappic mass (quantum)is and has been a controversial area (Nalanda university). Entering the field, some will have innate abilities but for others applied energy is required. Its this area that seems the paths are contested. Differing energy sources can taking the unwitting to different places or different plains. Placing the tradition yogic/religious practises to one side, have been intrigued into the perceptual influences of naturally occurring alpha and gamma wave radiating materials-greeting the rainbow serpent.

This is somewhat disconcerting because with the ever increase presence of fracking people may be awakening to a new visual field unaccustomed with. To highlight, deep down in the earth, there is a lot of radioactivity, which is safe enough, so long as it is not brought up to the surface.To fracture and thus create the huge surface area sponge which will yield up its cargo of gas and oil, is a monstrous amount of natural uranium and its deadly daughter Radium-226. And vast amounts of the radioactive alpha emitting gas Radon-222, and its own daughters Bismuth 214, Lead-210 and the alpha emitter Polonium-210. Remember Polonium-210

http://www.wisdomlib.org/buddhism/book/abhidhamma-in-daily-life_2/d/doc3193.html
http://rt.com/op-edge/fracking-radioactive-uranium-danger-ecology-057/

[Chip]

Dear friends.
White or black magic, is nothing more than the implementation of knowledge of quantum physics. People with knowledge of magic, traditionally passed from father to son for generations, could be called empirical quantum physicists.
The quantum physics proves that everything in the universe is energy.
The double-slit experiment proves that the observation (consciousness) changes the state of the electron, transforming it from wave to particle. Therefore it is wave and particle at the same time. Changing to satisfy the desire of the observer.
Thus, it is proven in the laboratory that consciences create reality.
The knowledge of how the universe works (knowledge of quantum physics) provides the possibility of actions that seem like magic to those who do not have this knowledge.
Knowledge is power, so knowing how the universe works is power.
So quantum physics does not have a simplified language learning is much less widespread masses.
Learn quantum physics and you'll get extraordinary psychic abilities.
Naste.de.lumina, I couldn't agree more. These basic understandings are amazing when we truly comprehend their significance to our perception of reality.
I've often thought that these basic tenants of physics had to be understood in order for any abilities to appear. But after years of reading about those with exceptional psychic talents, this doesn't appear to be the case.
It may not be that the scientific ideas and theories need to be held accountable to some that have the natural ability to see in nature what the white coats see in the lab.
It's absolutely fascinating though in both scenario's.
If it's not naturally seen as a child and from simply "knowing". It can be learned, by the knowledge of scientific principles creating epiphany "knowing".
We all have the potential

[Bill Ryan]

Thank you Bill for the reminder to read The PK Man and The Holographic Universe. Oddly enough they are the two book I notice every time I walk past my bookcase -- I just needed that extra push to go and read them!

Wonderful! :)

I can almost guarantee that if you read The PK Man you will barely be able to put it down. And The Holographic Universe has been a life-changer (or a worldview-changer) for many.

Here's a famous short extract from it (often quoted by David Icke in his presentations), which you can read right now (just a page and a bit from the book):

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_Michael_Talbot_p141_hypnotist_story.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_Michael_Talbot_p141_hypnotist_story.pdf

[Christine]

It is up to us now as when to take the step or the leap... it means us claiming ourselves and accepting without doubt that this IS OUR REALITY. Hand in hand with this goes an acceptance of responsibility for what we create.

There is the difference between white magic and black. It is an exercise of power or a joining of THE FORCE. One is profane the other sacred. Only will you KNOW when your heart is engaged.

I keep finding that whatever I do for good I know it by joy.



Dear friends.
White or black magic, is nothing more than the implementation of knowledge of quantum physics. People with knowledge of magic, traditionally passed from father to son for generations, could be called empirical quantum physicists.
The quantum physics proves that everything in the universe is energy.
The double-slit experiment proves that the observation (consciousness) changes the state of the electron, transforming it from wave to particle. Therefore it is wave and particle at the same time. Changing to satisfy the desire of the observer.
Thus, it is proven in the laboratory that consciences create reality.
The knowledge of how the universe works (knowledge of quantum physics) provides the possibility of actions that seem like magic to those who do not have this knowledge.
Knowledge is power, so knowing how the universe works is power.
So quantum physics does not have a simplified language learning is much less widespread masses.
Learn quantum physics and you'll get extraordinary psychic abilities.
Naste.de.lumina, I couldn't agree more. These basic understandings are amazing when we truly comprehend their significance to our perception of reality.
I've often thought that these basic tenants of physics had to be understood in order for any abilities to appear. But after years of reading about those with exceptional psychic talents, this doesn't appear to be the case.
It may not be that the scientific ideas and theories need to be held accountable to some that have the natural ability to see in nature what the white coats see in the lab.
It's absolutely fascinating though in both scenario's.
If it's not naturally seen as a child and from simply "knowing". It can be learned, by the knowledge of scientific principles creating epiphany "knowing".
We all have the potential

[Billy]

These are some people i have met many times personally. People with outstanding gifts.

Alex Orbito. A shaman/Christian Whom i met in Holland on three occasions. He put his hands inside my body leaving no marks. He physically opened my chakra's laid a crystal inside each chakra then closed all. Then a blinding light exploded in my third eye, Ecstatic, I had to be carried out. His personal story is amazing.

http://www.pyramidofasia.org/ and here.
http://www.pyramid4light.org/about/rev-alex-orbito/


Quote from Alex.
Dear Brothers and Sisters,

As humanity is entering into a new cycle, it’s important to welcome the new energies that vibrate with the heart. The Pyramid for Light has been spiritually guided from the beginning as a catalyst in this process on both an individual and collective level. Through our spiritual unity, we can all support the Earth´s transformation towards more love, light and healing for all living beings.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sister Briege Mckenna. A Catholic Nun, Whom i first met in Bosnia then again here in Scotland. Crippled with rheumatoid arthritis and in a wheelchair, She was miraculously and instantaneously healed at the age of 24. With this healing she received different spiritual abilities. Being able to see and have direct communication with Jesus, Miraculous healing towards others, Being able to see inside a person and recount all their actions in life. Whether positive or negative. (Much to the embarrassment of many Priests) She healed a child who had suffered from 90% burns on a rubbish dump in Brasil. His skin healed in a few seconds in front of peoples eyes.

I had more than one personal experience with her while in Bosnia.

http://www.catholicireland.net/the-healing-name/

Then i have other personal spiritual experiences that did not involve humans, that i find difficult to put into words.

peace

[RunningDeer]

Why do I share personal phenomena?

Often I stop and ask myself why am I posting what I cannot prove to anyone? What’s my intention? Is it for notoriety or perceived specialness? Or for the times, I’ve experienced during intense sad events, do I share for pity?

My head echoes with, “Wrong reason to share.” My heart echoes back, “No it’s not.”

I’ve lost count of how many post I’ve deleted because I question my intention. In that moment, it feels like an opportunity to say, “Hey, we all do this stuff!” Then, I feel vulnerable and delete.

More and more I feel it’s important for everyone to know these are ordinary tools that we’ve only forgotten. It’s time to awaken to them. And those of us that have bits and pieces, now it’s the time to come forward. It helps to trigger recall in others.

Each has the freedom of choice to accept or reject what’s true for themselves. I’d say keep an open mind. It doesn’t matter if I’m believed or not. I'll continue to live the way we are meant to live. Mine are small in comparison to the greats. But they continue to reveal because I know them to be real. I know it IS the way we are. It's time to rev up the engines.

Hearts,
Paula

[TigaHawk]

Are those abilities purely psychic in nature or does the phenomenon also extend to empathic abilities?

[Carmody]

Thank you Bill for the reminder to read The PK Man and The Holographic Universe. Oddly enough they are the two book I notice every time I walk past my bookcase -- I just needed that extra push to go and read them!

Wonderful! :)

I can almost guarantee that if you read The PK Man you will barely be able to put it down. And The Holographic Universe has been a life-changer (or a worldview-changer) for many.

Here's a famous short extract from it (often quoted by David Icke in his presentations), which you can read right now (just a page and a bit from the book):

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_Michael_Talbot_p141_hypnotist_story.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/The_Holographic_Universe_Michael_Talbot_p141_hypnotist_story.pdf

The problem for those who may try and grasp this, but be 'reasonably sckeptical' in their own estimation, is that this is one incident.

In scientific terms, one example, anecdotal at that - apocryphal at best, in many opinions, would be easily dismissible.

A good researcher should decide to try both sides of a given table, to ensure that the debate, discussion or inquiry is balanced.

If the correct scientific regimen of balanced investigation is applied, then evidence has to be seeked out and added to the pile.

What one would find, is that one thousand, two thousand, ten thousand, 100,000 and beyond instances of such things happening, are on the record.

And, to add, if any form of inquiry into adjoining areas of potential and research are added in to the mix as a buffer point in stability and validity in the findings ...all potential to find fault in the single tale of the daughter and the hypnotist and the watch, the potential for that tale to be even mildly wrong or exaggerated - virtually disappears.

When that happens, all moorings to classical scientific reality as a base of investigation -disappear.

It is interesting to note that the data set for this area of research takes up, depending on the given bookstore's completeness..about 5% of the floor space. That at least 5% of the vast majority of complete bookstores have a wide selection of data at hand. Anyone can find it, and analyze it, anytime at all.

I've spent my time on this board creating the connectivity of the science for all of this. Taking cutting edge science and putting it in the context of this area of research, so that those who do finally attempt some sort of methodology of correlation and explanation, can begin to find the logic points that unravel the puzzle that is presented. It is not for my edification, it is for theirs.

I have strongly resisted the temptation to indulge in manipulation of humanity and society, via any sort of knowledge of these things, as all of where classical and cutting edge public science is going, all of that is but an open book to me. Anything they attempt to do, I can take to multiple steps beyond where they call the 'cutting edge'. I go so far as to tell them what their next steps and discoveries are.

Since all is connected to all, the pathways are necessarily diverse, which means that a general understanding of the underlying scientific principles brings knowledge of capacity in almost any potential area of scientific endeavor. Specifically that of engineering.

Which is where the dilemma lies, as the creation of objects and methods of manipulation of the fabric of reality is not something that should be attempted from a standpoint of and in ignorance. The consequences can be ridiculously high. It would be be best that knowledge and understanding be in place before engineering of any form is attempted. (understatement of the year or century)

I could go on for months, here, and in other spaces and places on this board, I have done just that.

[RunningDeer]

Are those abilities purely psychic in nature or does the phenomenon also extend to empathic abilities?

It's all the same to me. I tossed out the labels. Doing. Learn from the doing through awareness in the nano-seconds that it's occurring. Suspend think-mind. Hold the feeling. The visual replays itself to reveal the experienced phenomenon. That’s one way it works for me.

[naste.de.lumina]

Dear friends.
White or black magic, is nothing more than the implementation of knowledge of quantum physics. People with knowledge of magic, traditionally passed from father to son for generations, could be called empirical quantum physicists.
The quantum physics proves that everything in the universe is energy.
The double-slit experiment proves that the observation (consciousness) changes the state of the electron, transforming it from wave to particle. Therefore it is wave and particle at the same time. Changing to satisfy the desire of the observer.
Thus, it is proven in the laboratory that consciences create reality.
The knowledge of how the universe works (knowledge of quantum physics) provides the possibility of actions that seem like magic to those who do not have this knowledge.
Knowledge is power, so knowing how the universe works is power.
So quantum physics does not have a simplified language learning is much less widespread masses.
Learn quantum physics and you'll get extraordinary psychic abilities.
Naste.de.lumina, I couldn't agree more. These basic understandings are amazing when we truly comprehend their significance to our perception of reality.
I've often thought that these basic tenants of physics had to be understood in order for any abilities to appear. But after years of reading about those with exceptional psychic talents, this doesn't appear to be the case.
It may not be that the scientific ideas and theories need to be held accountable to some that have the natural ability to see in nature what the white coats see in the lab.
It's absolutely fascinating though in both scenario's.
If it's not naturally seen as a child and from simply "knowing". It can be learned, by the knowledge of scientific principles creating epiphany "knowing".
We all have the potential

Chipsam Friend.
Regarding the conscious creation of the individual tunnel of reality, I think the secret is to know and master what quantum physics is called the 'collapse of the wave function'.
Identify frequencies and manipulate energy, do the other tricks.
And you're right. All have potential. In one way or another.

[Realeyes]

I agree with Bill; I read PK Man around a decade ago – a most interesting book that helped me understand to a deeper degree some of the strange phenomena I have experienced in my life and also expanded upon what we humans are capable of when we fine tune our conscious intents.

Over the years I have shared various posts of my own phenomenal experiences on 2 forums. My intentions were simply to share and inspire, and how we all have these amazing phenomenal abilities within us because it is our natural state of BEingness – we have just temporarily forgotten, yet can reawaken this.

Phenomena is something we experience firsthand. So I do understand it can sound completely wild for readers that such abilities are possible or it is too outside their belief systems of acceptability so perhaps it is far easier to reject it or conclude the person claiming such experiences is just a ‘deluded big head’. BUT this is totally missing the point why certain people take time to share their phenomenal experiences/wisdoms that was purely intended to inspire others, to aspire greater conscious awareness, conveying “If I can do it, so can YOU". :cool:

The more we ‘awaken within’ consciously reconnecting to our greater Self/Spirit/Source, the more phenomena naturally pours through us into our reality. The potentials and wonders are breathtaking and awe-inspiring. Just imagine if humanity consciously awoke to their divine abilities and agreed collectively in a conscious loving focus, working together changing this reality for the betterment of all and on track with spiritual Evolution – there would be no room for the ptb to enslave or any other consciousness decaying force/agenda.

For humanity that would be a huge Conscious game changer - raising the tide for all boats. ;)

[chocolate]

Thank you Bill, for this thread. From my heart.
It is not an easy situation to live with some abilities, for you often encounter quite a lot of misunderstanding, to put it mildly. But I always believed that these are gifts, talents as the ability to draw and sing or play music, quite real.
This makes me feel much less alone especially today.
Thank you.

[Billy]

Are those abilities purely psychic in nature or does the phenomenon also extend to empathic abilities?

I would say both. When you have a great understanding towards others. Being able to put yourself in others shoes and be gifted by psychic abilities your love for others assists you.

I will add that when i was with Sister Briege up a mountain at 1am in the morning i asked her how she was able to do what she done. After a pause and to my surprise she replied. Imagination is the secret Billy. Use your imagination wisely. I have done ever since that moment.

Peace

[naste.de.lumina]

Are those abilities purely psychic in nature or does the phenomenon also extend to empathic abilities?

I would say both. When you have a great understanding towards others. Being able to put yourself in others shoes and be gifted by psychic abilities your love for others assists you.

I will add that when i was with Sister Briege up a mountain at 1am in the morning i asked her how she was able to do what she done. After a pause and to my surprise she replied. Imagination is the secret Billy. Use your imagination wisely. I have done ever since that moment.

Peace

Dear Friend.
If quantum physics proves to us that it is consciousness that creates the perception of reality, then what is the limit of the possibilities of creating reality?
The limit is what consciousness is able to imagine.

[Limor Wolf]

http://www.amazon.com/Rattlesnake-Fire-memoir-extra-dimensional-experience/dp/0615185843

Psychic Self Defence - Dion Fortune** How Arcturians Are Healing Planet Earth - Wayne Brewer
Walking between worlds belonging to none - Ann Andrews** PK Man - Jeffrey Mishlove
The Man Who Stare At Goats - Jon Ronson** The Practical Psychic Self Defense Book - Robert Bruce

[c0rv0]

If you think about, a discussion on "psychic abilities" regards more a world view that the skills.
One of the issues in being able to discuss this matter in the missing reference framework. From a cultural point of view we removed the "magic" aspect of life from the main stream very long ago. Really the western civilization has kept this information but wrapping them in such a veil of mystery that is hard to get something by themselves.
There are some very old families that preserve this key jealously as they use it to derive "political" benefits. Where "Politics" has to be extended to the relationship with other realm of existence: I call it ontopolitics. This has some consequences.
But, as Bill rightly said , the key itself is neutral.
The best way to understand it is to follow the practices of a qualified school. The accent is on qualified not on the practices or dogmas. However, none of the ones I know easily accept students. In alternative, a good book to learn the alphabet magic is the "Mystical Qabalah" by Fortune Djon. That is not a substitute for the direct experience but at least it provides the reference paradigm used most in the West. Because the subject matter is kept so complicated many decide to try by them self with poor results or "reinventing the fire" again and again.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Bill, thanks a million for this. it's weird timing -- are you sure you're not the psychic?

I was reading two books last night on this topic; one was a rather rushed Reader's Digest book on Psychic Detectives (but still worth a look inside),
and the other was a much more detailed and fascinating novella sized book called "The ESP Papers: Scientists Speak out from Behind the Iron Curtain".

Both of these books could have been organized perhaps a bit better, but the second one seemed to have a really good set of minds behind it and the stories were often from around WWII...

War tends to spark the inner sight in some people because stress and danger correlate with the onset of some types of abilities.


The really lucky people are the ones who have not just the negative energy coming in all the time,
but also experience some willing contact with higher energies (without going crazy).

I will come back after I pay my rent today and read more of this thread...

it's a good one :)


P.s. are you a RVer? LOL... it's weird we were both looking at these books.

p.p.s. I have a very rare esp book somewhere, "The Iceland Papers" I think it what it was called, it had tests from universities and stuff in it.

p.p.p.s most of you already know this, but some of the psychic stuff is classified and protected -- for example, if you were the cops and you knew a failsafe psychic, would you ever tell anyone? no, because then your witness is compromised and someone might screw it all up.

the big secret is secrets

p.p.p.p.s. I forgot about Carl Jung: his book "Dreams, memories, reflections" has a LOT about manifesting and also about prophetic dreams.

Carl had some waking dreams while walking in the Swiss countryside, and it was about the world wars. He saw 1,2, and what he imagined was the cold war after that. isn't that a trip?

He saw the tree of life.

[Roisin]

On the topic of White and Black Magick....

In my quest toward's understanding "magick", I started reading up on it and trying a few things out. But problem's can crop up when one just takes everybody's word for it that some ritual's are white magic when, in fact, they are really NOT.

For example, I was 'working' under the auspices of a group of angels but then one day in a 'magick' forum, one practitioner complained that when she tried out a ritual to invoke one of the angels in the same group I was working with too, black flies showed up out out of nowhere ... and this in the middle of the winter!

So I then I did the same ritual she did to invoke that angel that she was blaming the fly's on just to see if any would show up and I did that invocation for about 3 days in a row.... and, what do you know, on the fourth day I found 2 dead large black fly's that had flown into an expensive bottle of extra virgin olive oil that I had purchased a few days prior to that that I kept out on a counter in my kitchen to have it handy when cooking -- and yes, this was in the middle of the winter.

I'm sure that my own 'protector's' caused those fly's to fly into the olive oil to prevent them from freely flying around my apt. But if anyone here has any doubt that "magick" is for the birds, I invite you to invoke that same angel I did and see if any big ol' black fly's show up. A banishing ritual will keep them from coming back and will send the ones that do show up to their demise in one way or another.

But the bottom line is, any 'angel' that sends fly's is NOT a white magick angel. Unfortunately, when it comes to getting any information on the internet concerning white and black magic rituals and invocations, one is definitely taking a risk. It's very important to keep a journal and document EVERYTHING.

You must be grounded and you must practice those banishing and protection rituals on a regular basis. I can't over-emphasize how important that is.

[Sunny-side-up]

I have physically felt the energy emissions from a friends amputated arm, wave after wave of energy, puff after puff of air.

From that point on I knew we can both emit and sense our bodily energies over distance!

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Here's one for you guys: I have this weird old aunt, she has got to be about 80 years old by now.

Last year, I wrote a letter to her but decided not to mail it.
The next week I got a letter from her.

We wrote the letters at the same time.

p.s. She lived in England for a while, drinks a lot of tea, plays chess, had a lovely house and garden. recently lost her house. :( lives in an apartment. Must be very stressful for her.

I feel like **** that I have not written to her in a while.
my life has been a huge mess and I didn't want to bother her with it.
I just realized she must also hate living in apartments, like I do.

When I came back from Mongolia, I couldn't even stand being in a mall.
The crowd was overwhelming and I could not put my finger on the reason.
I had to sit down and close my eyes to get rid of the feeling of "everything spinning". It wasn't the people themselves, i think it was more a "sum of the parts" sort of thing.,


do any of you ever feel weird in groups/crowds after a long isolation?
Did you ever "feel the energy" in church and attribute it to internal emotions?

I sure did!

Y'all should open up and talk about it, lol

[naste.de.lumina]

Here's one for you guys: I have this weird old aunt, she has got to be about 80 years old by now.

Last year, I wrote a letter to her but decided not to mail it.
The next week I got a letter from her.

We wrote the letters at the same time.

p.s. She lived in England for a while, drinks a lot of tea, plays chess, had a lovely house and garden. recently lost her house. :( lives in an apartment. Must be very stressful for her.

I feel like **** that I have not written to her in a while.
my life has been a huge mess and I didn't want to bother her with it.
I just realized she must also hate living in apartments, like I do.

When I came back from Mongolia, I couldn't even stand being in a mall.
The crowd was overwhelming and I could not put my finger on the reason.
I had to sit down and close my eyes to get rid of the feeling of "everything spinning". It wasn't the people themselves, i think it was more a "sum of the parts" sort of thing.,


do any of you ever feel weird in groups/crowds after a long isolation?
Did you ever "feel the energy" in church and attribute it to internal emotions?

I sure did!

Y'all should open up and talk about it, lol

Hello Tesla_WTC_Solution.
I'm no expert in quantum physics, just a little scratch, but a possibility for this 'coincidence' would synchronicity,
also known by quantum physics with the name 'Quantum Entanglement'.

Hug.

[Delight]

Thanks for all the resources on this thread.
Speaking of Inelia Benz, she has always maintained that the "psychic" abilities are in the body.
We have energetic blockages based on trauma that prevent us from accessing all perceptions.
Joe Dispenza and others say that neurosis and PTSD is nOT mental but energetic blocks in the body.
The same kinds of "resistance" from traumas that lead to garden variety "neuroses" also block our ability to access the extrasensory abilities?
I want to share a very meaningful lecture by Paul O'Connor who teaches remote viewing and energy psychology.


Part 1 - "Clearing The Stream” with Energy Psychology Techniques: Using EP Techniques to enhance RV psychic / intuitive functioning
http://youtu.be/Z-LZRgvg63M

Part 2 - We Are Energetic Beings
http://youtu.be/z2gaSUH6Aqc

Part 3 - Energy Healing and Information
http://youtu.be/0eQF5dyg0_U

Part 4 - Our Minds and the Biofield
http://youtu.be/xs0-egjBBEc

Part 5 - Energy Psychology using TAT Acupressure
http://youtu.be/2PmBGGG4mfU

Part 6 - Energy Psychology Toolbox
http://youtu.be/SXuLh0hMw1k

Part 7 - Healing Dysfunctional Beliefs
http://youtu.be/dfgH3ITMNOo

Part 8 - Conclusion
http://youtu.be/JVwijtJ2PF4

[heretogrow]

It has been my personal experience that pain and trauma need not stay as blockers to abilities. Through processing of pain and traumatic memories a pureness can emerge that prevents one from lying to themselves and unblocks the inner knowing. I have found forgiveness is a vital part if not the most important part of the processing. Acceptance and love are the final stages of learning from these very difficult but valuable experiences. In a sense you come full circle from a wounded victim to a giver of empathy, understanding, and empowerment to other wounded victims. A certain brotherhood and sisterhood made of experience weaves itself together. I often wonder at this level if souls who experience similar life events actually overlap each other. Not sure but definite connections are made.

[Arejay]

Im young and still learning but i am indeed an energy worker. more specifically a light worker. I am being trained by some outside force on how to use my abilities. I think they may be extra terrestrials. I love input and would love to be trained further in my abilities if anyone is up to the task:D

[c0rv0]

I am being trained by some outside force on how to use my abilities. I think they may be extra terrestrials.
it is possible, even probable, that you have been manipulated.
see
http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/08/23/why-i-am-no-longer-a-light-worker/
and late Karla Turner "Masquerade of Angels".

[S-L]

Psychic Self Defence - Dion Fortune

I would like to enthusiastically second this recommendation. The book is freely available here (http://jacquesricher.com/occult/psychic.pdf)(PDF).

[Rocky_Shorz]

the intent of a grid of indigo children bend reality, but is it magic?

or just unknowns people prefer to make a mystical magic for explanation...

funny when I hear magic it is the same as psychic, no one wants to be accused of having...

staying unknown is survival of the fittest trait...

some of us going deep, forget we are being watched by the many and with the internet have shared this is all very real with the world in recorded real time.

no turning back so might as well stay in the spotlight training those around us, the majority of people have abilities they don't believe in, once they do, it expands...

it is becoming normal to be special, and that is starting to change the world quickly as more and more step forward...

as for pain, it didn't start my gifts, they were always there, but it knocked me to my knees so nothing else was important when my daughter's best friend was kidnapped and murdered, I had a need to know answers, the will to make changes to make the world safer for kids, and it lit me up, I think that's when the Indigo grid took a strong interest in helping me... So continued to magnify my intent... solving missing children cases was just the beginning...

I consider the indigo children as earth angels who are lost and misunderstood in this world, until joining with others...

as they turn teens, many let society teach them none of this is real, but the abilities are always there, hidden until needed, but pushed aside to stay "normal"

at 40 seems a time when indigos are once again woke, different situations brings everyone back...

[markpierre]

It has been my personal experience that pain and trauma need not stay as blockers to abilities. Through processing of pain and traumatic memories a pureness can emerge that prevents one from lying to themselves and unblocks the inner knowing. I have found forgiveness is a vital part if not the most important part of the processing. Acceptance and love are the final stages of learning from these very difficult but valuable experiences. In a sense you come full circle from a wounded victim to a giver of empathy, understanding, and empowerment to other wounded victims. A certain brotherhood and sisterhood made of experience weaves itself together. I often wonder at this level if souls who experience similar life events actually overlap each other. Not sure but definite connections are made.

I think you really nailed it. 'Pain and trauma', though we'd obviously rather not have those experiences,
are catalyst for awakening. Not mistakes.
Shocking us out of our assumptions and criteria for what we mistake as our personal agenda here. Moving us into directions that we can't guide ourselves with reasoning, and through our old standards of avoiding those very experiences. Difficult experiences are to be avoided right? No. They may be effects of poor choices, but what more affective way to learn better choices?
But as you found purpose in it, however long it took to occur to you, that purpose won't be able to be perverted into 'bad luck' or victimization, as they're often viewed. Love and acceptance is exactly right. And more love and more acceptance and more and more and more.

How many people with serious threatening conditions or on their deathbeds who've described it to me as the most important and changing thing that'd ever happen to them. Difficult situations can always be viewed as opportunity.
What is our agenda here? Well it's personal but not exclusive for everyone, and it's also linked as you say, to every other individual who is coming into awareness of a greater agenda, wherever they are personally in that discovery. When that understanding begins to develop, by necessity it calls in support from wherever it's needed. Like minds. Common understanding. And as you implied, gathering minds and showing them each to each other and their connection to each other.
EVERYTHING overlaps. Which might help us to remember that every choice we make affects everything.
It can be just as difficult and confronting to accept love and healing, since self acceptance is largely the root of sickness and impoverishment in any form.
Thanks for sharing that wisdom.

[soleil]

whats funny, is i was toying with the idea of this type of thread all week.:) thanks for doing it bill! hehehe

[Kalamos]

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[Dorjezigzag]

When I first came on Avalon my incentive was that i was going to share many of my stories, I have dropped a few here and there but have held most back, mainly because it just does not feel right, it is not the right time .

The main thing I would like to add to this thread is that you need to get any ideas of specialness or self importance out of your head. If you start having these occurrences happening that are seen to defy the laws of physics( well old school physics) you are going to have to keep your feet on the ground as much as possible, if not you are going to start believing you are Jesus, Buddha and god knows what else.

You start thinking like that, your abilities will leave and you will be off to the nut house.

A lot of people think humbleness is about making yourself lowly, no live to your full potential but just don't think you are anything special or important.

So if unusual things happen to you, it is nothing special, its just one of those things, have no fear and enjoy the infinite possibilities

[Christine]

Arejay,

I just want to recommend that you also reach out to any number of people here if you hit something you don't understand. You did find yourself in the midst of some pretty experienced folks, lots of love and wisdom is at your disposal.

Welcome to Avalon!

Christine

Welcome to c0rv0 too!



I am being trained by some outside force on how to use my abilities. I think they may be extra terrestrials.
it is possible, even probable, that you have been manipulated.
see
http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/08/23/why-i-am-no-longer-a-light-worker/
and late Karla Turner "Masquerade of Angels".

[naste.de.lumina]

this is an exceptional thread. thanks for all the book suggestions everyone.( subscribed)

I agree with you Calamus.
Excellent thread.
This Forum provides exceptional opportunities for the expansion of consciousness.
There are so many interesting and intelligent people in search of knowledge, which ended up creating a kind of Avalonian collective consciousness.
Even the mistakes that help us expand consciousness.
Our tunnels merge the realities of what we have in common and positive (there are many things), creating solid foundations, and sending wave after wave that another possible paradigm of collective reality.
The forum helps me to create a self-feeding gear in the quest for consciousness expansion.
In the company of pleasant brothers, everything is more fun.

Hug.

[johnf]

A few relevant quotes from the New Message from God material:



Can you clarify the source of the quote please?

jf

[RunningDeer]

Awkwardly sitting here. Analyzing the title of the thread: “Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people”. What constitutes derailing a thread or what if one is not as exceptional as the psychic mentioned? Still awkwardly sitting here.

So if this doesn’t fit the thread, then it’s really, really okay to delete. There may even be eyes that roll and moan, “Oh, not again. Dang-it. She’s posted that again!”



Are those abilities purely psychic in nature or does the phenomenon also extend to empathic abilities?

It's all the same to me. I tossed out the labels. Doing. Learn from the doing through awareness in the nano-seconds that it's occurring. Suspend think-mind. Hold the feeling. The visual replays itself to reveal the experienced phenomenon. That’s one way it works for me.

This is a personal account of what I meant by suspend mind and replay:

June 9, 2012
“Stopping Time”

This never happened before, and it’s a lesson for me to dial up the inner awareness.

Wolfie, my dog, and I were out for a walk at the local shopping mall. There’s patch of woods on the outer skirts where he does his business. This afternoon, he couldn’t wait and picked a spot where everyone is out and about doing their Saturday to-dos.

I’m looking down to see if he’s finished and feeling embarrassed. I’m aware of the inner dialogue of, “I hope no one comes by.” With my head still down, and eyes raised, I saw four cars suspended in time; two on the other side of the median and two with several car lengthens between coming in our direction. No sound. Then, in the next nano second, they drove on.

It took about 30 seconds for me to recollect what just happened. After the initial “can’t be, that’s impossible”, I let it alone and walked for a few moments. Then asked, “What happened just before that point in time?” I ran the tape backwards and came up with the emotion of embarrassment, coupled with wanting a different outcome.


Emotion + Desire = a powerful affirmation of I choose my reality.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

You made me think of something, Paula.
Somewhere on the forum I mentioned a cousin of mine; a guy a couple years my junior.

We were running around on the farm. We were on a shelf halfway up a large hill, where strip-mining had been done many years before.
Above us and below us was woods; we walked through a grassy, coal-dust-strewn area covered by thin rock chips.
There were some boulders on the shelf in the hill. Some coyotes had made a habit of visiting this area at night when no humans were around.

We went over to the rocks because I had a strange feeling about them -- they attracted me.
There was a small pile of deer bones lying there. As if a tiny fawn had been consumed and the bones left to dry in the sun.
We picked up the bones and looked at them, put them back after climbing all over the rocks.

We started running again, through the grass, across the length of the shelf made from the strip-mining.
Suddenly, as you described above, perception changed.
We seemed to be traveling much faster than is humanly possible while running through the grass.
It seemed like something from a dream, but it was very real.
I made a point of asking him at the time, when we stopped running, if he had experienced this strange anomaly in the ability to track time,
and he said "Yes".

I just thought you would like to know, you are not alone.
And it is possible that where you were standing with your dog was the place that something had died.
he would be even more aware of it than one of us, possibly.

@_@ just food for thought!
roads are highly emotional places for animals unfortunate to cross them without help.

p.s. have you ever had strange feelings before a riot or other significant disturbance? for example, being obsessed with the astor place riot the day before the port said football riot? lol :)

p.p.s. for the guy down below who mentioned electrical stuff: in summer 2008 (I think it was 08) I was in Seattle. it was a sunny day, no clouds, no storm.
I was reading about theosophy, lucis trust, rense's opinion on philanthropists who give to fronts for hate groups. i ended up finding a really fascinating painting of a being called Kuut Huumi. in the painting he had very intense eyes. while looking at pictures of him and Moria, actually, I felt a sense of extreme power. Then a transformer near my apartment EXPLODED. the lights and internet went out on our place. also that day sometime I had read about the existence of the Nabucco pipeline project which was cancelled this month. uhoh LOL :(

I hope people who invested in natural gas saw that bit, lol!

people can have some very strange experiences, a wide variety -- and it's not always about "knowing" but sometimes just about being in a weird place at a weird time, and like Rose Walker in Sandman, it's becomes a "weird **** moment".

[johnf]

Thanks Bill,
I read a couple of Lyall Watson books back in 79. At that time I was experiencing a very strong connection
to the weather, and noticed that I could predict when the lights would come back on during a thunderstorm.
At a party I was at (after drinking quite a bit) the lights went out, and I got the signal, and I said let there be light.
It was quite an education in the responsibility of having and demonstrating these abilities, by way of some very shocked looks on the faces of my friends.
I have gone through a long process of expereinces like that since that have taught me that the message behind these phenomena, that we are very powerful beings who are experiencing things from a highly limited perspective, and each and everyone of us can contribute to a positive, (beyond belief) outcome on this planet, as well as the rest of the universe.
I have experienced what seems to be a shutdown of any thing like the above since this time period.
However I try to excercise my intuition, and especially the follow through on what I see in real world actions.
Hopefully I am learning to be a little more graceful than I was that night.

jf

[Roisin]

I had another post here that was in response to the one previous to this one but it's no longer there! So I deleted the one I had here ... sorry.

[CdnSirian]

Why do I share personal phenomena?

Often I stop and ask myself why am I posting what I cannot prove to anyone? What’s my intention? Is it for notoriety or perceived specialness? Or for the times, I’ve experienced during intense sad events, do I share for pity?

My head echoes with, “Wrong reason to share.” My heart echoes back, “No it’s not.”

I’ve lost count of how many post I’ve deleted because I question my intention. In that moment, it feels like an opportunity to say, “Hey, we all do this stuff!” Then, I feel vulnerable and delete.

More and more I feel it’s important for everyone to know these are ordinary tools that we’ve only forgotten. It’s time to awaken to them. And those of us that have bits and piece, now it’s the time to come forward. It helps to trigger recall in others.

Each has the freedom of choice to accept or reject what’s true for themselves. I’d say keep an open mind. It doesn’t matter if I’m believed or not. I'll continue to live the way we are meant to live. Mine are small in comparison to the greats. But they continue to reveal because I know them to be real. I know it IS the way we are. It's time to rev up the engines.

Hearts,
Paula

We are Sisters Of The Deleted Posts! =)

[Kalamos]

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[Kalamos]

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[RunningDeer]

I just thought you would like to know, you are not alone.

And it is possible that where you were standing with your dog was the place that something had died. he would be even more aware of it than one of us, possibly.

Hi Tesla_WTC_Solution,

No death. Wolfie needed to fertilize the soil. Ha!

I saw it as another cool experience. Affirmation of an inner knowing. What was different was the immediacy of feedback because of awareness.

I have gone through the high octane emotional experiences. I’ve come away with wisdom that I may not have otherwise. Or at the very least sped up life as I know it can be. Namely, countless possibilities if one is willing to Leap.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hmm :) Sorry about that if I took it too literally, lol!

Have you guys by chance seen the film, "The Silence of the Lambs", based on the book by Thomas Harris?
There is a girl in the movie named Clarice Starling, now a woman, played by Jodi Foster. Her ambition as a special investigator for the FBI is fueled in this storyline by memories of past trauma involving the deaths of animals.

As a foster child (film version), she was exposed to the yearly lamb slaughter at one of the homes that took her in as a child.
In the book, it was an elderly horse named Hannah, who was going to be killed.


I keep talking about personal experience and not the books, but this is interesting.

When I was a little girl, we had a female dog. She had puppies.
We gave many of them away at a local grocery store (they were very cute).
4 of them were not adopted out. My sisters and me loved those 4 and had intentionally kept them.
My father decided that we couldn't afford to feed 5 dogs.
He took three of the dogs out into a field and blew their brains out.
Before doing this, he made us choose which dog we wanted to keep.
The day after we chose our dog and he shot the rest, the remaining dog was struck by a passing car in front of us kids as we walked down the road.

Well, the weird thing is: many many years later, I moved to Seattle. My husband had a friend there who fell out of touch with him in recent years.
The man's name was Leonard Meuse. Leonard translates to "Lion strength". I started thinking about those dogs a year or so ago (in May) that my dad had killed when I was a young girl. The 3 dogs who died of gunshots and one was run over by a car and died.
Well, Leonard worked at a bakery/coffee shop in Seattle. Cafe Racer. The week I couldn't stop thinking about my dogs, Leonard and 4 other people were shot in the restaurant. 3 Died. he lived. A woman was later run over by the man who shot everyone in the coffee shop. 3 shot/killed and the last run over. And the super weird thing was, I drew a picture the day before the shooting, of the dead lion killed by Samson, the strongest man in the Bible.



There is another story. Another sad one. I had a cat as a child -- her name was Batman. She was black and white with huge long black hairy ears (like batman's hood).
We had another cat named Black Baby/Midnight. My father shot those two cats also. His excuse was he couldn't afford to feed them. Well, I couldn't stop thinking about these two cats that my dad shot, the week of the Batman theater shooting in Aurora CO.
Also before the shooting happened, almost a year to the date, I had made a blog posting in the context of batman and terrorism, showing the Arnold Crimp character and also the Joker in the theater on TV before he kills the audience. That one was creepy.


I strongly believe that witnessing trauma has something to do with ESP in some cases.

Not all of them. But the more miserable mediums and seers see the messier stuff.

I hope some of you other people see something nice sometimes.
It can really wear on a person when all they can sense is danger and death.

I am not sure that in all cases, opposites attract. In nature it is often like attracting like.

:(

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

p.s. have you ever had strange feelings before a riot or other significant disturbance? for example, being obsessed with the astor place riot the day before the port said football riot? lol :)
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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/04/world/africa/egypt-clashes/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


After weeks of relative calm, violent clashes in Egypt
By Emma Lacey-Bordeaux, CNN
October 4, 2013 -- Updated 1949 GMT (0349 HKT)

Are you there? Send us your photos and videos, but please, stay safe.
(CNN) -- After weeks of relative calm, clashes erupted between supporters of ousted President Mohamed Morsy and Egyptian security forces and local residents in several areas in Cairo, state media outlets reported.
Additonally, pro-Morsy and anti-Morsy protesters clashed in other Egyptian cities.
Three people died and 23 were hurt in Zeitoun, in western Cairo, and one person was killed and 17 injured in Manial in central Cairo, according to state media.

http://languagemagazine.com/?page_id=3933

Athina Kontos witnesses Clif High’s lexical ball
Linguistic maverick, internet nomad, and intrepid futurist Clif High believes that we can write our own future through our uses of language. Elusive, High’s virtual demeanour plays a cool hand, and he has his followers, many of whom frequent the upper echelons of various nation states and companies. High claims his data prophesized 9/11 and he maintains beliefs that as a species we are all collectively psychic. The question is: could he and his methods be on to something at the fringe of linguistic studies?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=KJV

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[RunningDeer]

But stories about what one can do should not take the place of actually showing some results or doing a demo of your skills. You could be the most well read and eloquent person out there via writing or public speaking but I'm more apt to be much, much more impressed by an illiterate 'nobody' who can actually show whatever it is that they have abilities in when it comes to paranormal phenomena.

True that, Roisin. And...

Though not provable to others, personal experiences are sign posts of ‘eye of the needle attention’.

A map and a compass and an invitation for boundless potential, we're good to go. All have a hodgepodge set of unique skills. It’s up to each of us to discover them. That’s why often miracles in the moment are designed for that moment only, and only for that individual.

Provable to others is a distant second.

I am grateful to have learned that each experience when fully present, enlivens greater co-creation. One has to be carefree and open. Otherwise, you’ll miss opportunities if time is spent dusting off tarnish trophies of yester-year.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

But stories about what one can do should not take the place of actually showing some results or doing a demo of your skills. You could be the most well read and eloquent person out there via writing or public speaking but I'm more apt to be much, much more impressed by an illiterate 'nobody' who can actually show whatever it is that they have abilities in when it comes to paranormal phenomena.

True that, Roisin. And...

Though not provable to others, personal experiences are sign posts of ‘eye of the needle attention’.

A map and a compass and an invitation for boundless potential, we're good to go. All have a hodgepodge set of unique skills. It’s up to each of us to discover them. That’s why often miracles in the moment are designed for that moment only, and only for that individual.

Provable to others is a distant second.

I am grateful to have learned that each experience when fully present, enlivens greater co-creation. One has to be carefree and open. Otherwise, you’ll miss opportunities if time is spent dusting off tarnish trophies of yester-year.

It's totally worth researching and remembrance, and I hope you post your own experiences whether or not they are valuable to you!
Someone else might think it's important even if you think it's trivial.

The curse of being a peasant = world events always seem dull and out of reach
but we are all connected


Prophecy is a process in which one or more messages that have been communicated to a prophet[1] are then communicated to others. Such messages typically involve divine inspiration, interpretation, or revelation of conditioned events to come (cf. divine knowledge) as well as testimonies or repeated revelations that the world is divine.[citation needed] The process of prophecy especially involves reciprocal communication of the prophet with the (divine) source of the messages. Throughout history, clairvoyance has commonly been used and associated with prophecy.[2]

Various concepts of prophecy are found throughout all of the world's religions and cults. To a certain degree prophecy can be an integral concept within any religion or cult. The term has found deep usage in the Abrahamic religions, including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'i and Mormonism along with many others.[3]

[Roisin]

But stories about what one can do should not take the place of actually showing some results or doing a demo of your skills. You could be the most well read and eloquent person out there via writing or public speaking but I'm more apt to be much, much more impressed by an illiterate 'nobody' who can actually show whatever it is that they have abilities in when it comes to paranormal phenomena.

True that, Roisin. And...

Though not provable to others, personal experiences are sign posts of ‘eye of the needle attention’.

A map and a compass and an invitation for boundless potential, we're good to go. All have a hodgepodge set of unique skills. It’s up to each of us to discover them. That’s why often miracles in the moment are designed for that moment only, and only for that individual.

Provable to others is a distant second.

I am grateful to have learned that each experience when fully present, enlivens greater co-creation. One has to be carefree and open. Otherwise, you’ll miss opportunities if time is spent dusting off tarnish trophies of yester-year.

That's true Paula but I'm not talking about spiritual development. I'm merely talking about psychic development.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Paula should be HAPPY to view some things from a distance, LOL :)

Don't we all involuntarily look away from blood, from injury, from terror?

I have covered my eyes so many times, only to find myself staring later into the darkness.

[RunningDeer]

Provable to others is a distant second.

It's totally worth researching and remembrance, and I hope you post your own experiences whether or not they are valuable to you!
Someone else might think it's important even if you think it's trivial.

I should have made it clearer. I don’t perceive my experiences as trivial. They are gifts. And the value is the confirmation of the line between known and unknown.

I’d like that for all, which is why I’ve posted on many threads. I sprinkle them around so I don’t saturate the Avalonian Family and Guests.


photo provided by Ulli
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Fantasy_Fun/ELyGE.GIF

[Roisin]

Telsa,
Just go with the flow dear. Try not to intellectualize too much during the process. Just go with the flow.

[Eram]

Hi Bill,

Since I was one of the people who was talking about the exceptional claims that are being made on the forum and that I feel that we must speak out against them if we can see that they are clearly not according to reality, I was not referring to changing weather patterns or expelling entities and things like that.
I do believe that those things are possible, though usually, people who can and do don't feel the need to talk about it every day on a forum.

I was referring to claims like "source/God is flooding earth with new souls who have not yet lifetimes of building pictures (whatever that means) in order to create a momentum that will overthrow the dark/negative forces on earth." and "moving the moon from it's position to another position"
Claims like these are not in touch with reality and clearly visible to anyone who did a little bit of studying the true esoteric information.

One of the biggest problems that humanity is facing is that we (the people who are willing and searching for truth) are being kept from the true insights in how reality is formed and how it works.
People wake up to the fact that not all is how it is presented to us through the news media and governments and start searching for answers, only to find themselves in a swamp full of new age information where truths, half truths and blatant un-truths are mixed in order to keep the earnest student confused, stumbling around with eyes closed, unable to make any sense of all that is floating around on the internet and in the books that are being sold in the spiritual sections of the book stores.

There are people out there (people who do not have the best intentions for the common man) who are highly intelligent and who do have a deep insight to the mechanics of reality and the laws of nature that are present in the different worlds/dimensions that exist.
They use these insights to their personal advantage and are set against a mass wake up of humanity, because they want the common man to be in a slave/robotic like state, which we can see happening all over the world.

One of their strategies is to flood the world with this new age material, composed by people who are themselves either deluded or downright set out to create disinformation.
These people (the ones that have access to truth about reality and use it to their egoistic advantages) are often found in high places in the publishing world in order to be able to manipulate what does and what does not become a published work with one intention only and that is to keep the searcher for truth in the dark (either bedazzle them with imaginary stories or keep them in fear with fear porn).
You can identify these works if you examine the information that is in them but you have to know what to look for.
For instance, most of these works do not have the ability to empower the reader truly, giving him tools to really understand reality and what life is about, but more-so have a tenancy to keep the seeker in a religious like state, unable to become autonomous or able to think along the lines of reality.

This is a real problem and I think it is a good idea if we start talking about this here on Avalon, instead of focussing our energy on people who post more then 1200 times in five months, presenting themselves as some sort of messiah or saviour, doing the dirty work for us, bedazzling us with claims that for the most people are unable to verify if these claims are even possible according to the laws of reality.

I say these things not out of disrespect, but out of concern for what I see happening here and I do say it in these strong words, because I wan to be very clear in my intentions.

Avalon has brought me so much good and I wish for other people to find that too and I wish for people to be able to see through the web of disinformation that is thrown at us in an overwhelming pile of movies, books and websites.

All the best,

Toek

[RunningDeer]

In 1989, this experience in Tai Chi allowed me to open beyond this 3D illusion. When I say my foot went through the stair, I don't mean the stair was in disrepair.

Cloud hands is one movement in the Tai Chi form. For five or ten minutes, we used it in a group meditation. Then, the teacher had us move to the stage which was three steps higher than the main floor.

With my mind still suspended, I stepped on the first step and tripped because my foot went through the stair about 4-6 inches deep. I tried to catch myself with the other foot one step up. I tripped again. My foot went through the second one only 2-3 inches deep. Then logic took over and I caught myself with my hands, and mind clicked back to 3D solid material world. It all happened so fast that there was no time only an unfolding of a movie.

I believe in part, I had this experience because the group energy raised my own potential. Those internal energies are known to more people now. So it’s not to far a stretch for us to tap them.

Can you imagine when we all consciously come together?

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[GarethBKK]

In my useless schooling I was presented with endless pictures of atoms. All of these 2D representations had carefully drawn orbits of the electrons. I realised these orbit lines weren't real and started removing them, leaving a static 2D image of the electron and its nucleus.

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My science teachers were only interested in the blue stuff. I wanted to know what the yellow no-thing was. Alan Watts used to say a hole in the wall can only exist if there is a wall. The blue stuff cannot be separated from the yellow no-thing it sits in. Physicists will cleverly explain that the yellow no-thing is a wave field of potentiality, and then generally ignore it, even though "…the minimum energy in one cubic centimetre of empty space contains more energy than the total energy of all matter in the known universe!"

From The Holographic Universe: "…the picture of reality Bohm was developing was not one in which subatomic particles were separate from one another and moving through the void of space, but one in which all things were part of an unbroken web and embedded in a space that was as real and rich with process as the matter that moved through it."

All the yellow no-thing is one space, in which location ceases to exist. This 'non-locality' means that we cannot speak of anything being separate from anything else.

Again, from The Holographic Universe: "We can view ourselves as physical bodies moving through space. Or we can view ourselves as a blur of interference patterns enfolded throughout the cosmic hologram. Bohm believes this second point of view might even be the more correct, for to think of ourselves as a holographic mind/brain looking at a holographic universe is again an abstraction, an attempt to separate two things that ultimately cannot be separated."

Of course, most of us still see ourselves as being blue stuff separated. Some see themselves as blue stuff but have the ability to use the yellow no-thing to perform extraordinary 'magic'. All the great spiritual teachers of all time have said this 'magic' is possible but advise against engaging in it as it creates a block to realising what you really are. Instead, they encourage us to awaken to the truth that we are the infinite and eternal yellow no-thing. And, here we find peace.

All quotes from The Holographic Universe Chapter 1

[william r sanford72]

wanted to sit on this thread for a day.such a fresh problem for me that all most didnt even wanna read the thread even thoe i was drawn to it.OK..wanted to say im not trying sound or bee spcl in anyway.thoes who no me know thats not a motivating factor.i have been screwing up bad the last few months.my latent and surpressed abilitys would come and go for the last twenty years.sometimes profound sometimes just...in the last 3 years these abilitys have increased by a factor of ten.also i now am constantly aware of them at work.before..my most best work and true vibe raising/light work was done without clear intent or awareness.seems knowing has screwed this up.also having trouble controling it.i killed to new motors in a car this summer in a matter of weeks.and messed another car up so it had to bee taken and fixed.i effect electronics prett easy on some days.i dont practice it.i just know when i can do it.also did some readings that i shouldnt of.and that set off a whole chain of events with my family.and messing with the electronics to prove to em..well that set em off to..to prove a point and that i wasnt bullsh!tting.also.one of my most important knacks.i was born with..is the ability to convert energy..vibes to just about any level upper or lower in living beings.we all can do it.so in the last few years i have focused on recycling the negative dark ass oily vibe into a more balanced form of usable energy.this draws in low vibe.with intent.and often is mistaken for beeing negative when in reality its what i have to draw in to...ie retool.and send back out.its not fun work and its heavy work.its needn done.and if i can do it.then who am i to not try.tryng to live in 2 worlds this last 3 years.so if n you read my energy.thats why there is a trace.cant help it.it comes with the work.and i guess i just wanted to vent and get this out so thanks for lettn me rant.and i lost my point ifn i ever had one.thanks for this thread and post.im not a freak.:o...just me.

[Kalamos]

..........

[Carmody]

In my useless schooling I was presented with endless pictures of atoms. All of these 2D representations had carefully drawn orbits of the electrons. I realised these orbit lines weren't real and started removing them, leaving a static 2D image of the electron and its nucleus.

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My science teachers were only interested in the blue stuff. I wanted to know what the yellow no-thing was. Alan Watts used to say a hole in the wall can only exist if there is a wall. The blue stuff cannot be separated from the yellow no-thing it sits in. Physicists will cleverly explain that the yellow no-thing is a wave field of potentiality, and then generally ignore it, even though "…the minimum energy in one cubic centimetre of empty space contains more energy than the total energy of all matter in the known universe!"

From The Holographic Universe: "…the picture of reality Bohm was developing was not one in which subatomic particles were separate from one another and moving through the void of space, but one in which all things were part of an unbroken web and embedded in a space that was as real and rich with process as the matter that moved through it."

All the yellow no-thing is one space, in which location ceases to exist. This 'non-locality' means that we cannot speak of anything being separate from anything else.

Again, from The Holographic Universe: "We can view ourselves as physical bodies moving through space. Or we can view ourselves as a blur of interference patterns enfolded throughout the cosmic hologram. Bohm believes this second point of view might even be the more correct, for to think of ourselves as a holographic mind/brain looking at a holographic universe is again an abstraction, an attempt to separate two things that ultimately cannot be separated."

Of course, most of us still see ourselves as being blue stuff separated. Some see themselves as blue stuff but have the ability to use the yellow no-thing to perform extraordinary 'magic'. All the great spiritual teachers of all time have said this 'magic' is possible but advise against engaging in it as it creates a block to realising what you really are. Instead, they encourage us to awaken to the truth that we are the infinite and eternal yellow no-thing. And, here we find peace.

All quotes from The Holographic Universe Chapter 1

You could say that they are separated, into a dualistic view, with past and future being one aspect and the now aspect, being the 'knot' of organized pattern which flows, from past, into future.

In order for this to happen the way the 'self', this organized grouping of 'self aware energies' can recognize...the system in use is one of a dimensional viewpoint or orientation of flow, in a geometric resonant pocket in that complex holographic system. Essentially, we are this place and it is us. Individually and collectively. We are expression protruding into it, as part of it.

A place with a slight positive, or unidirectional impetus in the resonant balance, one might say.

In this way, this resonant organized pocket viewpoint (viewed from outside of the resonance point, while inside of the resonant pocket, like looking at the stem of a balloon closure, from inside the balloon) is our unidirectional time viewpoint. In this way, we 'gather' data and experience, via the past permanence system, and then make choice, via the future aspect. All of that, with our 'now' presence of self, as tied to this system and space.

The example of the girl on the remote island who could change reality, is tied to the idea of the expression and flow of the resonant coupled energies in this system. she, as a organized energy system, was remote from large amounts of others, and could manipulate in a fashion that is/was nearly unimpeded. Awareness creates capacity to manipulate or change. Very simple, actually.

It is also tied to how much of the reality matrix one can hold in their 'now' mind at one given moment. Or what they hold, ie, is it for, or counter to, the innate deepest reality holdings of the surrounding consensus matrix? . Geometric flow patterns like weather are fairly simple ones. More complex structures are, obviously, more difficult to hold in mind. Population density and the aspect of consensus reality play into this. This girl would not have been as capable in a place of high population as all the energies which constitute her projections and modifications of the holographic systems - would be interfered with.

This is part of why this thing exists -of a 'hidden hand'.

Awareness breaks that control, awareness breaks the ability of it to slip by unnoticed and manipulate via channels and systems that the vast majority of the population is unaware of.

[Sunny-side-up]

I know for sure (metaphorically speaking or is that actual physically Speaking?) that I/we can when the chips are down pull the rabbit from the hat, I've done it.
I have lived through a series of head on crash events one after the other and pulled it off. A friend of mine would testify to that, he thought we was doomed at least 4 times in a row, each time he shut his eyes, clenched his fists, so sure was he that it was a done deal! But no I even saw him do this while I was driving/manipulating the vehicle out of danger. So their I was desperately maneuvering the car, from virtual impact to impact at least 4 times in a row and watching him go through the imagined pain of the crash only to open his eyes in bewilderment? wheres the CRASH? only to clamp them shut again and so on. The last part of the possable crash was a head on view of the driver of the last on comming cars face as he did what my friend had been doing, clamping his eyes shut lol.

I have been over the incident many times with him and we should have by rights gone Crunch in a big way at the first incident!

All I know is in such events never give up, you can divide every second into smaller and smaller times bytes. But even so with slowing down of time we couldn't have physically got through it in one piece? Something else happened! we wen't through matter? or jumped past it a few times, no other way through that event!
Maybe in such even'ts never get frightened, I never do! I get out of crashed cars (Has happened a few times in my youth, not me driving) and I haven't been fazed atal. I say this all in total truth at risk of pushing my luck (by talking about the incidents)
These abilities and effects happen! was it me? can I do it? or was I being looked after by some higher being willing to physically help keep me alive?
Slowing time is the easy part in such events (never give into time) the mind over matter, jaunting a car and my friend through a lorry! well?

[sirdipswitch]

In light of this discussion, and something I just posted this mornin on my thread, here's a couple of vids, that explore "possibilities" and fun things to do, when you return to your true Spirit Self, through 24/7s' communion with your HS/Source??!! cc.

hZHUzHbFkJs


1Gtf0yXLI7A

[778 neighbour of some guy]

In light of this discussion, and something I just posted this mornin on my thread, here's a couple of vids, that explore "possibilities" and fun things to do, when you return to your true Spirit Self, through 24/7s' communion with your HS/Source??!! cc.

hZHUzHbFkJs



1Gtf0yXLI7A

The time traveler might be photo shopped, if not there were at least two time travelers present, the subject and the photographer, imo, nevertheless interesting stuff to think about. The universe is filled with all possibilities, no doubt.

[RunningDeer]

:offtopic: Please delete. Thanks.

[heretogrow]

Please ignore! I GOOFED!

[Spartacus]

Robert Monroe (pictured below) is certainly someone who I would describe as an exceptional person with exceptional abilities.


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Here’s a very thought provoking passage from his final book ‘Ultimate Journey” preceded by three relevant definitions of Monroe’s own terms in the book’s glossary:

“Hologram These are commonly products of intersecting light rays which form a visible image in an empty area. The theory put forth herein is that (M) Field energy may be performing the same process in a far more sophisticated manner to create time-space and our Earth Life System.”

“(M) Field Nonphysical energy field that permeates time-space including our Earth Life System, but is not a part of current human scientific knowledge or study.”

“ROTE Acronym for Related Organized Thought Energy, transmitted from one mind to another. A mental book or recording, complete with emotional and sensory patterns.”

“Throughout human history, there have been those who have possessed degrees of control of their (M) Field thought radiation. In some cases this was a product of synthesis by the personality cluster selected for that particular life experience. In others, the process was developed in the individual by an accumulation of residual thought radiation and translated into a working system. By control is meant the willful selection or rejection of incoming thought radiation through manipulation of receptor phasing. The quality and amplitude of the thought radiation expressed by these individuals were directed by the human mind-consciousness to serve planned purposes. The most apparent of these individuals history records as political and religious leaders. The most successful have gone unnoticed owing to the deliberate lack of continuity in their activities. The latter have the means to couple other (M) Field bands with that of thought to produce a variety of experiences within the receptor, to alter matter both in structure and form, and to vary time-space energy fields.

Expressions of minor (M) Field control have abounded throughout recorded human history. They include medicine men, mind readers, witches, magicians, soothsayers, early kings and emperors, hypnotists, mediums, healers, psychokineticists, to mention only a few. Imitators without such control have been rife in every era.

The power of beliefs and belief systems lies in various manipulations of (M) Field energy. Your beliefs become Knowns when you recognize or experience this manipulation.

There are very few ways and means to learn control of (M) Field radiation within contemporary civilizations. This is because of the intense and near-exclusive preoccupation with time-space energies, especially those of the Earth Life System. However, there is some evidence, collected from all over the world, of exploration in the (M) Field with productive results. It is likely that participants would agree that it is too little, too late, and this exploration is not likely to be a factor in the possible survival of human civilization in the current context.


***

What could possibly be more basic than the energy field we use, I reflected after studying the ROTE. It amazed me that I had gone all these years without troubling to perceive what had been unloaded on me. It was as if one had been swimming in an ocean for years without feeling the water! There was less curiosity in me than I had thought.

The idea that every thought I may have that is tinged with emotion radiates uncontrolled outward to others is heavy with implication. It is even more uncomfortable to be the recipient of such thoughts that others may emanate. This realization would support the effort of those who make the unrealistic attempt to spread love and light in a predator world, or those who hold that we are part of a Universal One.

This knowledge also fills in a part of our mind-conscious- ness that is usually omitted. Most human (M) Field energy is not love and light. To participate openly in this energy, in phase with all of it, could be devastating. Thus a form of shielding develops automatically as insulation. When and if leaks occur in the form of inadvertent phasing—emotional thinking—we become exposed to an incredible amount of discordant and dangerous radiation.

The ROTE covers other areas also. Charisma, "gut" feelings, instant likes and dislikes without surface justification, and especially the origin and power of belief systems that evoke emotion in large quantities—they all drop into place. Also dealt with is the increasing amount of unexplained phenomena in human action and behavior that cannot be measured by time-space measurement systems and therefore is automatically rejected by orthodox or conventional thinking. One clear example is the placebo effect, recognized time and again but rejected as a prime tool because it does not fit conventional standards. Perhaps this is a case of (M) Field activity.

What of those who apparently are well versed in (M) Field techniques but are very quiet about it? There are nearly six billion humans in physical existence in this time frame. By interpretation of the ROTE it would seem that at least six thousand, who will never be publicly known, possess what may be called incredible ability. This figure can be reduced even more, leaving us with six hundred humans in physical existence at this moment who are on the loose and unrecognized and who can do covertly anything imaginable—and much that we cannot imagine. I believe that I may have met one of them; but I do not know. Where are they? one wonders. What are they doing? How are they using their abilities? If they keep themselves so successfully hidden, there must be good reasons. What reasons? And why are they hanging around being human?”

A profound answer to that question is revealed later in the book.

[mahalall]

looking on, is it your creation or just your vision or both?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Wanted to share something, don't expect anyone to believe it, but it's the truth.

I had a very short dream last week that I didn't tell anyone here about because it was personal and embarrassing.

In the dream, I was standing with my husband looking at his face.
He looked back at me and said "We are breaking up".

A week later he left.

Maybe this dream means, there are some dreams we should listen to when they come.
Even the simple ones. I should have listened. But I kept on. and now it's all messed up.

I am actually in tears writing this. I don't know why I didn't share the dream on the forum before this happened.
Now it looks like I am telling a convenient lie. But I did have the dream.

It's not exceptional or special but it was real.

[Jake]

Wanted to share something, don't expect anyone to believe it, but it's the truth.

I had a very short dream last week that I didn't tell anyone here about because it was personal and embarrassing.

In the dream, I was standing with my husband looking at his face.
He looked back at me and said "We are breaking up".

A week later he left.

Maybe this dream means, there are some dreams we should listen to when they come.
Even the simple ones. I should have listened. But I kept on. and now it's all messed up.

I am actually in tears writing this. I don't know why I didn't share the dream on the forum before this happened.
Now it looks like I am telling a convenient lie. But I did have the dream.

It's not exceptional or special but it was real.

Many dream experiences are of a 'creational' nature,,, as opposed to a 'predictive' nature. All physical manifestations are created from the non-local, or non-physical aspects of ourselves. The dreaming mind is in more tune with this wee truth. You did not predict it,,, you created it. Your dreaming mind is much more intimate with creative truths that your waking mind. Waking mind can only perceive things if they 'play out' on front of us. It is the non-local, that understands and creates. Remember, the dreaming mind doesn't KNOW it is creating a reality for your waking experience,, just like you don't know that YOU are creating a reality for other aspects of your being. a DREAM WITHIN A DREAM WITHIN A DREAM..... lol merrily merrily merrily.....

Somewhere, there is someone thinking the thoughts in your head!!!! :)

Jake.

[judymoon]

Hi Bill,

Since I was one of the people who was talking about the exceptional claims that are being made on the forum and that I feel that we must speak out against them if we can see that they are clearly not according to reality, I was not referring to changing weather patterns or expelling entities and things like that.
I do believe that those things are possible, though usually, people who can and do don't feel the need to talk about it every day on a forum.

I was referring to claims like "source/God is flooding earth with new souls who have not yet lifetimes of building pictures (whatever that means) in order to create a momentum that will overthrow the dark/negative forces on earth." and "moving the moon from it's position to another position"
Claims like these are not in touch with reality and clearly visible to anyone who did a little bit of studying the true esoteric information.

One of the biggest problems that humanity is facing is that we (the people who are willing and searching for truth) are being kept from the true insights in how reality is formed and how it works.
People wake up to the fact that not all is how it is presented to us through the news media and governments and start searching for answers, only to find themselves in a swamp full of new age information where truths, half truths and blatant un-truths are mixed in order to keep the earnest student confused, stumbling around with eyes closed, unable to make any sense of all that is floating around on the internet and in the books that are being sold in the spiritual sections of the book stores.

There are people out there (people who do not have the best intentions for the common man) who are highly intelligent and who do have a deep insight to the mechanics of reality and the laws of nature that are present in the different worlds/dimensions that exist.
They use these insights to their personal advantage and are set against a mass wake up of humanity, because they want the common man to be in a slave/robotic like state, which we can see happening all over the world.

One of their strategies is to flood the world with this new age material, composed by people who are themselves either deluded or downright set out to create disinformation.
These people (the ones that have access to truth about reality and use it to their egoistic advantages) are often found in high places in the publishing world in order to be able to manipulate what does and what does not become a published work with one intention only and that is to keep the searcher for truth in the dark (either bedazzle them with imaginary stories or keep them in fear with fear porn).
You can identify these works if you examine the information that is in them but you have to know what to look for.
For instance, most of these works do not have the ability to empower the reader truly, giving him tools to really understand reality and what life is about, but more-so have a tenancy to keep the seeker in a religious like state, unable to become autonomous or able to think along the lines of reality.

This is a real problem and I think it is a good idea if we start talking about this here on Avalon, instead of focussing our energy on people who post more then 1200 times in five months, presenting themselves as some sort of messiah or saviour, doing the dirty work for us, bedazzling us with claims that for the most people are unable to verify if these claims are even possible according to the laws of reality.

I say these things not out of disrespect, but out of concern for what I see happening here and I do say it in these strong words, because I wan to be very clear in my intentions.

Avalon has brought me so much good and I wish for other people to find that too and I wish for people to be able to see through the web of disinformation that is thrown at us in an overwhelming pile of movies, books and websites.

All the best,

Toek
During the 80's I lived in sedona, arizona.....new age mecca of the western united states. I moved there as a naive devotee of new age thinking. I left there very much wiser and much more cautious about far-out, unsubtantiated and unprovable claims. I also came to understand that spiritual growth is private, personal, very difficult and rarely equated with displays of magical powers and abilities. In fact, these abilities can be a by-product of the spiritual growth process and can actually be a distraction to your growth (as the ego loves this kind of power), and it is better to just observe them and get on with your practice.

I'll go out on a bit of a limb here and say that if Jimini wasn't a scientologist, Bill would not be so ready to be his forum body guard. That is just my opinion.

Because we are talking about the Jimini issue here, aren't we.

When he first showed up on this forum I posted that he reminded me strongly of a friend I once had who was bi-polar. She had incredible power and charisma and in the end, was completely crazy.

Many of us have probably had one or two extraordinary experiences. Sharing them is fun and very interesting, but eventually you have to move on and find a way to live each mundane day with some kind of grace and hope.

Making a relgion out of them is exhausting, as you have to keep one-uping yourself.

Coming on this forum and claiming extarodinary powers with out substantiation- after all, we don't really know each other here- is interesting and stirs discussion for a while, and then it just gets old.

I'm looking for life wisdom, when I come here. Quiet stories of small insights and personal experience that help me with my own path and work.

This planet is very troubled. Many of us deal with daily lives that are full of challenges and difficulties. Hearing someone go on and on about their magical powers just isn't enlightening. Or helpful.

I think that may be why are more circumspect posters are absent now. That is too bad. This situation needs some balance. Or its just going to turn into new age mutual ego-stroking. Which we all love at some times, but its like eating too much candy. It gets sickening unless accompanied by substantial, grounded info and wisdom.

[voxpopuli]

Great quote from Covey's "7 Habits..." It is the opinion of this humble PA Forum member that, if nothing else, the quest to both understand and (perhaps more importantly) be understood are our only fundamental needs as sentient beings. Can anyone think of one action of consequence that's occurred as a result of anything else? If so, please indulge me; this is a query I've often posited when struggling to (ha!) understand those whose motives and intentions seem a bit too shrouded or enigmatic for my conventions.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hi Bill,

Since I was one of the people who was talking about the exceptional claims that are being made on the forum and that I feel that we must speak out against them if we can see that they are clearly not according to reality, I was not referring to changing weather patterns or expelling entities and things like that.
I do believe that those things are possible, though usually, people who can and do don't feel the need to talk about it every day on a forum.

I was referring to claims like "source/God is flooding earth with new souls who have not yet lifetimes of building pictures (whatever that means) in order to create a momentum that will overthrow the dark/negative forces on earth." and "moving the moon from it's position to another position"
Claims like these are not in touch with reality and clearly visible to anyone who did a little bit of studying the true esoteric information.

One of the biggest problems that humanity is facing is that we (the people who are willing and searching for truth) are being kept from the true insights in how reality is formed and how it works.
People wake up to the fact that not all is how it is presented to us through the news media and governments and start searching for answers, only to find themselves in a swamp full of new age information where truths, half truths and blatant un-truths are mixed in order to keep the earnest student confused, stumbling around with eyes closed, unable to make any sense of all that is floating around on the internet and in the books that are being sold in the spiritual sections of the book stores.

There are people out there (people who do not have the best intentions for the common man) who are highly intelligent and who do have a deep insight to the mechanics of reality and the laws of nature that are present in the different worlds/dimensions that exist.
They use these insights to their personal advantage and are set against a mass wake up of humanity, because they want the common man to be in a slave/robotic like state, which we can see happening all over the world.

One of their strategies is to flood the world with this new age material, composed by people who are themselves either deluded or downright set out to create disinformation.
These people (the ones that have access to truth about reality and use it to their egoistic advantages) are often found in high places in the publishing world in order to be able to manipulate what does and what does not become a published work with one intention only and that is to keep the searcher for truth in the dark (either bedazzle them with imaginary stories or keep them in fear with fear porn).
You can identify these works if you examine the information that is in them but you have to know what to look for.
For instance, most of these works do not have the ability to empower the reader truly, giving him tools to really understand reality and what life is about, but more-so have a tenancy to keep the seeker in a religious like state, unable to become autonomous or able to think along the lines of reality.

This is a real problem and I think it is a good idea if we start talking about this here on Avalon, instead of focussing our energy on people who post more then 1200 times in five months, presenting themselves as some sort of messiah or saviour, doing the dirty work for us, bedazzling us with claims that for the most people are unable to verify if these claims are even possible according to the laws of reality.

I say these things not out of disrespect, but out of concern for what I see happening here and I do say it in these strong words, because I wan to be very clear in my intentions.

Avalon has brought me so much good and I wish for other people to find that too and I wish for people to be able to see through the web of disinformation that is thrown at us in an overwhelming pile of movies, books and websites.

All the best,

Toek
During the 80's I lived in sedona, arizona.....new age mecca of the western united states. I moved there as a naive devotee of new age thinking. I left there very much wiser and much more cautious about far-out, unsubtantiated and unprovable claims. I also came to understand that spiritual growth is private, personal, very difficult and rarely equated with displays of magical powers and abilities. In fact, these abilities can be a by-product of the spiritual growth process and can actually be a distraction to your growth (as the ego loves this kind of power), and it is better to just observe them and get on with your practice.

I'll go out on a bit of a limb here and say that if Jimini wasn't a scientologist, Bill would not be so ready to be his forum body guard. That is just my opinion.

Because we are talking about the Jimini issue here, aren't we.

When he first showed up on this forum I posted that he reminded me strongly of a friend I once had who was bi-polar. She had incredible power and charisma and in the end, was completely crazy.

Many of us have probably had one or two extraordinary experiences. Sharing them is fun and very interesting, but eventually you have to move on and find a way to live each mundane day with some kind of grace and hope.

Making a relgion out of them is exhausting, as you have to keep one-uping yourself.

Coming on this forum and claiming extarodinary powers with out substantiation- after all, we don't really know each other here- is interesting and stirs discussion for a while, and then it just gets old.

I'm looking for life wisdom, when I come here. Quiet stories of small insights and personal experience that help me with my own path and work.

This planet is very troubled. Many of us deal with daily lives that are full of challenges and difficulties. Hearing someone go on and on about their magical powers just isn't enlightening. Or helpful.

I think that may be why are more circumspect posters are absent now. That is too bad. This situation needs some balance. Or its just going to turn into new age mutual ego-stroking. Which we all love at some times, but its like eating too much candy. It gets sickening unless accompanied by substantial, grounded info and wisdom.

I love your post, except I don't wish to offend Jim lol.

One thing to consider, ego aside: people like to be understood.
Sometimes understanding is elusive. It can take a long long long long time for some experiences to make sense.
That, not just ego, actually, is one of the reasons that people get so excited about these "supernatural" (or super-scientific) experiences.

If I offended anyone by telling stories in here, I do apologize. It looked so exciting and I participated before realizing,
when not everyone can participate, not everyone is supportive.

If this thread was about losing one's legs, and I posted something like OMG I CAN'T FEEL MAH LEGS GAIZ!, I would expect to be called out.

However, when dealing with esoteric and personal things, more subtlety is at play and more is required in judging them.

It's like comparing a magnifying glass to a microscope. Not everyone sees the same. Some of us have 20/20 IRL and never will have a psychic experience notable enough to remember. Some of us experience them without asking, and sometimes precisely because we did ask for trouble.

It's for the observer to judge the truth -- all the storyteller can do is recall as many details as possible and hope that they make sense together.

And another thing to keep in mind is that when people are overexcited, the possibility of generating a mistake is greater.
That's why meth heads don't play good chess.

Now, about "special" or "exceptional". Any drooling fool can have a vision. But it is wasted on fools and evolution is not a generous master.
Why would anyone expect the average person, or whatever you want to call the majority of people, to be able to recount something so unusual and unbelievable that knowing that about them would set them apart forever and make them a target for abuse?

I explained something I deduced from reading about police who employ psychics. The bigger the ruckus, the more likely it's a fraud.
The quieter the story, the more likely it is that they had help and chose to protect the witness instead of putting him or her in the spotlight.

If you were a cop instead of a forum reader, I suspect that the attitude would quickly change from "prove it or lose it" to "what do you have that I can use".

In case you were wondering, in my personal experience, I always have the strongest "psychic" manifestations when I feel most worn out, degraded, or lost.
It always happens before or after BIG trouble, never for anything minor or petty. At least, nothing petty to my judgment.

Everyone already knows about wars for oil, that celebrity deaths happen.
But if you were connecting the dots so well that reading the newspaper was like reading last year's diary,
you would start to ask yourself, where DOES this power come from, and where does it go when I need it?

That's the thing about most "psychic" experience. It's not something you can just produce on demand (unless you are Carl Jung and can cause explosions in your household bookshelves when angry!). It comes unbidden and unexpected. The deja vu aspect is irritating, because no one gives a **** until it's so late in the game that drawing attention to your predictions gets you laughed at, outed, called a fraud or a pretender.

I just watched "The Illusionist", and unlike that kind of thing, real power is not something you can just write into a script and play out.
it comes and goes like a storm comes and goes over the horizon, and no act of individual will can recall it or master it.

The truth is that the power comes from all of us. You send it out into the universe, and somewhere, somehow, people "get" it.

If people choose to disbelieve, that is their right.
And people speaking from the seat of political or religious motivation often make very bad predictions and embarrassing statements.

Me for example. I've said 100 stupid things for every 10 smart things, and 100 nonsense posts for every "clairsentient" one.
This is in relation to my old website and not to avalon, by the way.

I no longer have the advantage possessing the proof I need, because someone took my material offline and blamed ATS (or it was ATS).
But even if I was able to show you, it wouldn't matter. A closed mind is a closed mind.

There are many hundreds, if not thousands, of books new and old that recount and describe the mystery of the supernatural.
I choose to open them where I find them.

Perhaps the problem is that of an attitude and not an aptitude.

Please think about it.

And think about the weird kids you went to school with, the ones who always got 100 percent or beat the computer games by accident.
Where did they end up working, and how much freedom do they have now?

Those who have a normal life should thank the good Lord.
From what I read of Carl Jung, psychic power is a side effect of being severely disturbed, unless you are indeed dealing with one of the truly rare exceptions to that rule, a real and functioning clairvoyant.

Psychic power for most people is like gassing a car. You have to stop and rest before you can go on and see more.

[G.Deluca]

http://www.gustavorol.org/who.htm

i think gustavo rol was one these special people :)

[Dorjezigzag]

http://www.gustavorol.org/who.htm

i think gustavo rol was one these special people :)

Nice article you linked to
but I don't think he would be comfortable you calling him special.

I quote



"I am an ordinary man. I have nothing to do with those mediums, healers or spiritualists you are interviewing. My mentality is distant from that world. My modest experiments are part of science. They are things that everyone will be able to achieve in the future"

The article is well worth a read , thanks G.Deluca

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

[QUOTE=Tesla_WTC_Solution;739856]4th October 2013 18:56

p.s. have you ever had strange feelings before a riot or other significant disturbance? for example, being obsessed with the astor place riot the day before the port said football riot? lol :)
.

Egypt: 51 killed as clashes erupt, security forces crack down on protests
From Ian Lee. Reza Sayah and Sarah Sirgany, CNN
October 7, 2013 -- Updated 0637 GMT (1437 HKT)

Now, this is a coincidence -- this latest thing in Egypt.

But this next thing, I wanted to show you, I don't know whether it's a coincidence.

this is a picture of the astor place riot. I could not stop thinking about it the night the port said football riot occurred. i even made a post about the english disease. which is known as football hooliganism in our culture. the closest thing in our history was this scuffle in new york city over Macbeth and classism. the people shouted "who will rule this city, the british or the americans".
http://www.musicals101.com/News/astoriot.jpg

these next two are pictures from the port said football riot.
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/02/02/1226260/229216-egypt-soccer-riots.jpg

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/02/02/1226260/229243-egypt-soccer-riots.jpg

compare the deaths then to the ones going on now:

FEVER PITCH: 74 dead in violent soccer riots as fans rampage
AP
February 02, 2012 2:06PM


Egypt: 51 killed as clashes erupt, security forces crack down on protests
From Ian Lee. Reza Sayah and Sarah Sirgany, CNN
October 7, 2013 -- Updated 0637 GMT (1437 HKT)

Not exactly psychic, no, but still very disturbing and emotional.
Let's hope the death toll does not keep rising.

Egypt was a lovely place in the time of Rudyard Kipling.
And he said something like this:

"THEY WILL COME BACK, COME BACK; AS LONG AS THE RED EARTH ROLLS.
GOD NEVER WASTED A TREE NOR A LEAF; WHY WOULD HE SQUANDER SOULS?"

[Mike]

the so-called anecdotal bits *do* constitute evidence of psychic phenomena. if something happens often enough, to enough people, it simply cannot be ignored. in fact, I can't think of anything more scientific.

yet, I did semi-recently start an infamous thread titled "Can You Feel That...I Can't", where I took the devils' advocate position, the skeptical position on psychic abilities...but not entirely. my feelings and thoughts on things are pretty complex and cannot be accommodated by absolutes. but I can see how one would read that thread and think: Chinaski does not believe in psychic ability. not true!

I have no doubt that people here have supernatural (for lack of a better word) experiences. it would be wildly arrogant of me to sit here and say it's all hogwash, you are all full of it, and so on. I've read 'The Holographic Universe', and regard it as a classic. In many ways, it set me on this journey of discovery. and I've read other books like it. the people and the experiences strike me as sincere and very real.

my issue has always been with those who claim outrageous talents...but who always have a cute spiritual aphorism up their sleeve when asked to demonstrate them, something like, "you are not spiritually mature enough to witness this" OR "it may effect your spiritual growth" OR "it's ego oriented, and not part of my message" etc. you get the point. so, in other words, the ego has no problem bragging of it's ability to psychically effect world events, but suddenly grows a conscience when asked to demonstrate these abilities??? it doesn't add up. what strikes me most is how people get *very* offended when this type of discussion arises. and yet, after hearing the claims some have made, asking them to demonstrate their talents would seem to me as the only logical question left.

discernment is often discussed here. research. and yet when it comes to this topic it seems we are often expected to accept it all on face value. if I was as wildly talented psychically/supernaturally as some here (and elsewhere. not just picking on Avalon here) have claimed to be, I might just walk outside with a camera, say something stupid like, "hello, i'm Mike from Avalon, yes, easily the most entertaining poster on the forum...now watch this..." ...and i'd mess with the clouds, manipulate the weather, make trees disappear. whatever. and then i'd post it on youtube. simple. you don't want to be identified? ok, then wear a mask. garble your voice a little. it's not that complicated. stop with the bullsh!t excuses.

I have no problems with Inelia Benz. I think she's pretty cool actually. but did she really survive for x amount of days by utilizing the sunlight as nutrition? Christ, I don't know. but I think it would be great if she demonstrated it. how? well, document it! film it! film doctor appointments! have someone follow you with a camera 24 hours a day for a few days. far from being an egotistic demonstration, it would be an inspiration!

I've seen many psychics (reputable ones. ones that had minor "hits" but would often miss the most glaring problems in my life) and have had dealings with many healers, more good-intentioned than not. and I am forced to say this: not impressed! in fact, I've become so jaded with alleged distance "healers", or anyone under the sun for that matter that claims they can effect you from a distance, for positive or negative means, that I would gladly hand out 100 Chinaski voodoo dolls to each and every one of them, and even supply the pins, and encourage them to do their worst. and I promise you this: I would sleep like a baby.

I've just purchased a wonderful book, 'Astral Dynamics' and am in the process of learning to "project my double" as they say. in other words, I am finally going for the experience, instead of seeking outside sources for validation. I truly hope I have something to report when I get going. i'd love to start a thread eventually to discuss my experiences. if I am doubtful or jaded, it's mainly due to a lack of personal experience, so I hope this will remedy that. wish me luck Avalon. I shall report my findings soon...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

This was an intriguing fellow, Emperor Norton 1 of the United States, it is said that he was not just any regular oddball but was also up to his eyeballs involved in Magick of the very serious kind and was widely respected by some very well known individuals of world changing stature.

Joshua A. Norton
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Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Defender of MexicoSo much has been written about Emperor Norton, and interest in this ninteenth-century character continues into the twenty-first century.

Many of the “decrees” attributed to Norton I were fakes; written in jest by newspaper editors at the time for amusement, or for political purposes. Those “decrees” listed here were, we believe, actually issued by Norton.

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September 17, 1859 – Joshua A. Norton, who lost his money in an attempt to corner the rice market, today declared himself Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico.

December 2, 1859 – Norton I dismissed Gov. Wise of Virginia for hanging John Brown and appointed John C. Breckenridge of Kentucky to replace him.

February 1, 1860 – Decree from Norton I ordered representatives of the different states to assemble at Platt’s Music Hall to change laws to ameloriate the evils under which the country was laboring.

July 16, 1860 – Decree from Norton I dissolved the United States of America.

October 1, 1860 – Decree from Norton I barred Congress from meeting in Washington, D.C.

February 5, 1861– Norton I changed the place of his National Convention to Assembly Hall, Post and Kearny, because Platt’s Music Hall had burned.

September 17, 1861 – A new theater, Tucker’s Hall, opened with a performance of “Norton the First,” or "An Emperor for a Day."

October 1863 – Death of Lazarus, Emperor Norton’s dog.

February 14, 1864 – Norton I arrived in Marysville to join the celebration of the opening of the railroad.

November 11, 1865 – Mark Twain wrote an epitaph for Bummer, the long-time companion of Lazarus.

January 21, 1867 – An overzealous Patrol Special Officer, Armand Barbier, arrested His Majesty Norton I for involuntary treatment of a mental disorder and thereby created a major civic uproar. Police Chief Patrick Crowley apologized to His Majesty and ordered him released. Several scathing newspaper editorials followed the arrest. All police officers began to salute His Majesty when he passed them on the street.

July 25, 1869 – Decree from Norton I that San Franciscans advance money to Frederick Marriott for his airship experiments.

August 12, 1869 – Decree from Norton I dissolved and abolished the Democratic and Republican parties because of party strife now existing within our realm.

December 15, 1869 – Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico, left San Francisco to seek his yearly tribute from the legislature and lobbyists. He inspected the new capitol during the gala ball celebrating the buildings’ inauguration.

December 16, 1869 – Decree by Norton I demanded that Sacramento clean its muddy streets and place gaslights on streets leading to the capitol.

August 1, 1870 – Norton I was listed by the Census taker with the occupation of “emperor,” living at 624 Commercial St.

September 21, 1870 – Decree from Norton I that the Grand Hotel furnish him rooms under penalty of being banished.

March 23, 1872 – Decree by Norton I that a suspension bridge be built as soon as convenient between Oakland Point and Goat Island, and then on to San Francisco.

September 21, 1872 – Norton I ordered a survey to determine if a bridge or tunnel would be the best possible means to connect Oakland and San Francisco. He also ordered the arrest of the Board of Supervisors for ignoring his decrees.

January 2, 1873 – Decree from Norton I that a worldwide Bible Convention be held in San Francisco on this day.

March 18, 1873 – David Belasco made his stage debut at the Metropolitan Theatre playing Emperor Norton in the play “The Gold Demon.”

January 8, 1880 – Norton I dropped dead on California St. at Grant Ave. He was on his way to a lecture at the Academy of Natural Sciences.

January 9, 1880 – Headline in the Morning Call: “Norton the First, by the grace of God Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico, departed this life.”

January 10, 1880 – Norton I was buried today at Masonic Cemetery. The funeral cortege was two miles long. 10,000 people turned out for the funeral.

June 30, 1934 – Emperor Norton I reburied in Woodlawn Cemetery by citizens of San Francisco.

January 7, 1980 – The city marked the 100th anniversary of the death of its only monarch, Emperor Norton, with lunch-hour ceremonies at Market and Montgomery streets.

[araucaria]

Wanted to share something, don't expect anyone to believe it, but it's the truth.

I had a very short dream last week that I didn't tell anyone here about because it was personal and embarrassing.

In the dream, I was standing with my husband looking at his face.
He looked back at me and said "We are breaking up".

A week later he left.

Maybe this dream means, there are some dreams we should listen to when they come.
Even the simple ones. I should have listened. But I kept on. and now it's all messed up.

I am actually in tears writing this. I don't know why I didn't share the dream on the forum before this happened.
Now it looks like I am telling a convenient lie. But I did have the dream.

It's not exceptional or special but it was real.

Many dream experiences are of a 'creational' nature,,, as opposed to a 'predictive' nature. All physical manifestations are created from the non-local, or non-physical aspects of ourselves. The dreaming mind is in more tune with this wee truth. You did not predict it,,, you created it. Your dreaming mind is much more intimate with creative truths that your waking mind. Waking mind can only perceive things if they 'play out' on front of us. It is the non-local, that understands and creates. Remember, the dreaming mind doesn't KNOW it is creating a reality for your waking experience,, just like you don't know that YOU are creating a reality for other aspects of your being. a DREAM WITHIN A DREAM WITHIN A DREAM..... lol merrily merrily merrily.....

Somewhere, there is someone thinking the thoughts in your head!!!! :)

Jake.
Not sure if this is really creative. It may be more a matter of unconscious realization finally rising into consciousness.

[Free Bird]

I've had a few days of weirdness this weekend.... On Friday, I went to bed wondering why it was that the Dragon is a universal archetype and when I next logged on to Avalon, I bumped into Ultima Thule's thread: The Electric Universe by Wallace Thornhill and David Talbott (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64025-The-Electric-Universe-by-Wallace-Thornhill-and-David-Talbott), and the first video happened to ask the very same question about the Dragon archetype.... Needless to say, the universe had provided an answer to my question.

I then went on to watch the rest of the fascinating series. Afterwards on the same youtube page in a sidebar, I noticed a video called Zero Point: Volume 1 - Messages from the Past, a film featuring Graham Hancock and others about the hidden parts in human history.

There are four films concluding with Zero Point : Volume IV - Beyond. The film looks at global consciousness, remote viewing and more. It discusses the effect of consciousness on the material world and how we all can influence the reality we live in.

I finished watching it this afternoon and then came across this thread - My point being, it all feels quite serendipitous, plugging into the global consciousness perhaps which can be viewed as psychic maybe?

Here is Zero Point: Volume IV - Beyond. The film makers do recommend to watch the previous 3 films first but it can be watched as a stand alone. I hope you all enjoy it and I heartily recommend watching the others too:)

kNL7RibvuDM

PS - I just want to add that I don't necessarily feel exceptional. I feel these are skills everyone has.... We just need to learn / remember how to reconnect....

Peace & Love
-x-

[Roisin]

Chinaski, (his post is on the previous pg here) in Inelia's case, we've got Bill's assurance that she's the authentic item. So in that case, there are no doubts on this end that she pulled something like that off. For me, that's proof enough.

Same goes for others who make claims of this nature. Maybe they don't have video's showing that they did it but if there are people who witnessed it, that's at least something as opposed to nothing when one is considering if the story is true or not.

[Strat]

document it! film it! film doctor appointments! have someone follow you with a camera 24 hours a day for a few days. far from being an egotistic demonstration, it would be an inspiration!


Agreed. I'm not here to judge anyone and I certainly would never speak ill of anybody, I just want to find out what's real. I don't think you're asking a tall order, people roll their eyes at meditation but it's passed the scientific test.

R-wuOYlxMSY

[johnf]

My experiences with these things lead me to believe they are
mainly tricks to fix ones attention on the self, and the physical universe.
Focus on special abilities can have the power to stop ones evolution, however spotting
the idea that comes in, and just letting it be seems to be the true path to what we all signed up to evolve into.
In my case with the weather stuff there was a certain thrill that came along with the whole experience of
tuning into the vast group of beings that were involved.
The real lesson is too accept my place as a human, while these things occur within me without feeling special, we are all this.

It is not easy though.

Dpwishy's thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63000-The-occult-vs-Esoteric-teachings

Really appeals to me on this subject, it talks more about the way through to the real end. I do believe there is a real end beyond special abilities, that is beyond our wildest imaginations.
May all who read this thread find their way through to that.

jf

[Delight]

Neil Kramer is always good to listen in on. He is supportive of being guerilla psychonauts in the process of moving through a cycle that includes exceptional abilities but is for our own inner unveiling....
This talk challenged my definition of sorcery because I often have associated it with "power over" applied.
However, from his talk, I can see that sorcery is a word I defined to the detriment of my own gnosis.

Ecguy1-zPR0

[ruthy]

I think it is in human nature to possess these abilities...that we are slowly developing more skills as we evolve as a human species. I think especially now that as we are all going through this mass awakening, more and more people are able to do more things that they weren't previously. I also think we are being targeted to not develop these gifts. One we all know is with the fluoride in water, in salt and food products, in many countries around the world, it disables our pineal gland. The pineal gland is seen in old carvings dating back to the Sumerians...it is highly significant that pine cone shape. They were trying to tell us something. I think that if we learn how to really raise our consciousness they were saying we will be like the "gods" that were around our ancestors. For me, reading Carlos Castenadas books, really opened my eyes to the possibilities of human beings. The story of a normal man who learned from a brujo incredible feats, who was at times spoiled, difficult, stubborn, and through years of practice was able to do things and teach others. Our world is more than meets the eye. I think that through our intent and our will we can create our world to be what we want. I think that we have talents that we ignore...like having a strong "gut" feeling about something happening, having connections with other people we are close to, knowing when something has happened to a love one who is not near you, sensing peoples energies and who to steer clear of, these are basic abilities but most tend to think it's nothing or it's just us worrying too much or thinking too much. One thing that Castenada's books talks about is that most times we don't see the world as it really is...that since we were babies we were conditioned to perceive what we know now as our current world. By saving your energy, he says,..that you are able to do things and see things differently. Separate yourself from toxic relations, leave a draining job, form new habits and routines or establish no routine, do things you normally wouldn't to jolt you into a different perception. Meditate. Dreaming exercises are supposed to greatly increase your skills too. I recommend reading Castenada's book the Art of Dreaming. I have all his books in pdf, if anyone would like a free copy, message me with your email address and I will send it over to you!!

Goodnight

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

One thing, I know this sounds absurd, but I find that seeking out places where you can observe second-hand objects -- it can be a museum, a large used store, or even a graveyard -- is a good place to "channel" and pick up on "leads".

The idea is, things imbued with a lot of good energy by their former owners may seek a new owner rather than be thrown away.
This may sound like hoarding -- I am not necessarily saying to buy everything you see,

but pick it up, play with it, close your eyes, touch it, try to "see" and feel what the previous owner felt.
Books are particularly strong energy. I've found that many books that have been owned for 100+ years by families and friends have strangely strong energy.
It's easy to pick up such a book and immediately find answers to questions.

One other person today mentioned the Dragon Archetype in a similar thread. They were thinking about this cosmic power or entity and ended up finding something very cool on the same subject by accident.

These "happy accidents" are among the most delightful of so-called psychic experiments.

There was a particular book in the antique section of a store I used to love before I moved away.
I picked it up and looked at it. There was no author on the cover or inside. It was called "The Inner Shrine".
There was a beautiful woman on the cover and a picture of a heart containing a burning torch.
I felt a sense of extreme power coming from this book when I touched it and saw the images on the cover.
I looked it up online that night and realized, it was written by a channeler named Basil King.
He was a blind mystic whose death was likely a murder by arsenic rat poison in his soup, i.e. King's Soup.

There was an arsenic related murder reported on the Alex Jones website the week I bought that book.
It was the coroner of Andrew Breitbart who was killed. I realized then that former FBI agent Ted Gunderson died the same way, but slower, thanks to some articles I found while researching Basil King.

Death aside, it is the wondrous spirit of giving and sharing that made those men so powerful.
I could feel the goodness and wonder coming from the pages as if he was right next to me.
I didn't read the book, but knowing where it came from meant the world to me.

I hope this doesn't sound too stupid.

Here is the real deal:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_King

William Benjamin Basil King (1859–1928) was a Canadian-born clergyman who became a writer after retiring from the clergy. His novels and non-fiction were spiritually oriented.

He was born on February 26, 1859, in Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island. He was graduated from the University of King's College in Nova Scotia, and served as an Anglican rector at St. Luke's Pro-Cathedral in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and later at Christ Church in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
King began writing in 1900 after he was forced to retire from the clergy due to loss of eyesight and thyroid disease. His anonymously published novel The Inner Shrine, about a French Irish girl whose husband is killed in a duel, became very popular when published in 1909. King subsequently published a number of best-selling works.

King's spiritual orientation increased later in his life. His The Abolishing of Death (1919) described the transmission of messages from a deceased chemist. The Conquest of Fear (1921) portrayed his own struggle with ill health and eventual spiritual growth, and lays out his somewhat mystical approach to religious understanding. Critics often faulted King's fiction for its sentimentality and didacticism.

He died in Cambridge, Massachusetts on June 22, 1928. Some experts believe his death can be attributed to rat poison in the food he was ingesting giving rise to the term "King's soup" to describe something poisonous or harmful.

A medium is sometimes described as a "midwife to the dying", one who helps the soul cross the bridge to that better place beyond the vision.

p.s. one of the ESP books I have claims that people tend to forget psychic experiences a lot faster than they forget delusional beliefs. Therefore do not be frustrated if you feel that you have been somewhere spiritually but cannot recall the nature of the place.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14393/14393-h/images/cover.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ynavwDPZDN4/T3Jkn681kLI/AAAAAAAAF_E/bBSoVraL9XM/s320/Abolishing+of+Death+Basil+King.png

three brothers in life and death:

http://rt.com/usa/coroner-arsenic-death-breitbart-456/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_King
http://www.knowthelies.com/node/6764


Commenting to the Times on the latest news, Lt. Alan Hamilton of the Los Angeles Police Department says that investigators have not ruled out foul play in the death of Cormier. Authorities have yet to confirm how they believe arsenic entered his system — or if the coroner was deliberately poisoned — but Cormier passed away after being admitted to a hospital in Burbank, California last month after displaying symptoms typical with the illness.

Basil King died in Cambridge, Massachusetts on June 22, 1928. Some experts believe his death can be attributed to rat poison in the food he was ingesting giving rise to the term "King's soup" to describe something poisonous or harmful.

Former head of FBI Los Angeles, Memphis, Dallas, poisoned with Arsenic says Dr Ed Lucidi who saw the body and treated Mr Gunderson who suffered bladder cancer and died as a result of its spread.

[Hazel]

Imagination and Intent holding hands is the key...

[panopticon]

You could say that they are separated, into a dualistic view, with past and future being one aspect and the now aspect, being the 'knot' of organized pattern which flows, from past, into future.

In order for this to happen the way the 'self', this organized grouping of 'self aware energies' can recognize...the system in use is one of a dimensional viewpoint or orientation of flow, in a geometric resonant pocket in that complex holographic system. Essentially, we are this place and it is us. Individually and collectively. We are expression protruding into it, as part of it.

A place with a slight positive, or unidirectional impetus in the resonant balance, one might say.

In this way, this resonant organized pocket viewpoint (viewed from outside of the resonance point, while inside of the resonant pocket, like looking at the stem of a balloon closure, from inside the balloon) is our unidirectional time viewpoint. In this way, we 'gather' data and experience, via the past permanence system, and then make choice, via the future aspect. All of that, with our 'now' presence of self, as tied to this system and space.

The example of the girl on the remote island who could change reality, is tied to the idea of the expression and flow of the resonant coupled energies in this system. she, as a organized energy system, was remote from large amounts of others, and could manipulate in a fashion that is/was nearly unimpeded. Awareness creates capacity to manipulate or change. Very simple, actually.

It is also tied to how much of the reality matrix one can hold in their 'now' mind at one given moment. Or what they hold, ie, is it for, or counter to, the innate deepest reality holdings of the surrounding consensus matrix? . Geometric flow patterns like weather are fairly simple ones. More complex structures are, obviously, more difficult to hold in mind. Population density and the aspect of consensus reality play into this. This girl would not have been as capable in a place of high population as all the energies which constitute her projections and modifications of the holographic systems - would be interfered with.

This is part of why this thing exists -of a 'hidden hand'.

Awareness breaks that control, awareness breaks the ability of it to slip by unnoticed and manipulate via channels and systems that the vast majority of the population is unaware of.

I just had to thank you Carmody.
This is quite possibly the best description of this extremely complex causal loop/feedback system I have ever seen.
The way you also integrated some aspects of the mundane and transmundane elements was inspiring.
As a question, do you believe that what you refer to as the 'past permanence system' is in a fixed state or in flux (your first sentence appears to show a clear past aspect-> present aspect->future aspect flow path but I thought I'd ask)?
Also, how would you describe the 'future aspect' element of the system if one was able to see some of the myriad influences in operation and some of the numerous variations on the projected outcomes (ie statistical projections of possibilities future aspect scenarios) within the as yet unformed 'future aspect' prior to it moving into the 'now aspect'?
With Deepest Respect, :yo:
Panopticon

[onawah]

From my own experiences in younger years when spending time in remote, natural environments, I can say it's definitely always been much easier for me to expand consciousness and break through the Illusion in those settings.
The year that I spent living with a small group of students at a Zen Center/commune on a mountaintop in Virginia gave me a tantalizing taste of what is meant by finding one's "true nature".
It was so much more than any mind altering experience brought about by LSD or other psychotropic substances that I had experienced up to that point, or since...
I think it is our connection with Nature that provides us with our most powerful gateway to our higher consciousness.
And for me, it is the one thing in life which I would like to repeat again and again and again, though I am perhaps not ready yet to completely give up the Illusion, either.
In my Zen years, the way in which I envisioned an ideal future would be to end my days like one of the Taoist hermits in ancient times who lived in simple, carefree solitude on remote mountaintops, in ever closer communion with the Tao.
http://www.rightreading.com/writing/taoism-images/laozi-on-an-ox.jpg


You could say that they are separated, into a dualistic view, with past and future being one aspect and the now aspect, being the 'knot' of organized pattern which flows, from past, into future.

In order for this to happen the way the 'self', this organized grouping of 'self aware energies' can recognize...the system in use is one of a dimensional viewpoint or orientation of flow, in a geometric resonant pocket in that complex holographic system. Essentially, we are this place and it is us. Individually and collectively. We are expression protruding into it, as part of it.

A place with a slight positive, or unidirectional impetus in the resonant balance, one might say.

In this way, this resonant organized pocket viewpoint (viewed from outside of the resonance point, while inside of the resonant pocket, like looking at the stem of a balloon closure, from inside the balloon) is our unidirectional time viewpoint. In this way, we 'gather' data and experience, via the past permanence system, and then make choice, via the future aspect. All of that, with our 'now' presence of self, as tied to this system and space.

The example of the girl on the remote island who could change reality, is tied to the idea of the expression and flow of the resonant coupled energies in this system. she, as a organized energy system, was remote from large amounts of others, and could manipulate in a fashion that is/was nearly unimpeded. Awareness creates capacity to manipulate or change. Very simple, actually.

It is also tied to how much of the reality matrix one can hold in their 'now' mind at one given moment. Or what they hold, ie, is it for, or counter to, the innate deepest reality holdings of the surrounding consensus matrix? . Geometric flow patterns like weather are fairly simple ones. More complex structures are, obviously, more difficult to hold in mind. Population density and the aspect of consensus reality play into this. This girl would not have been as capable in a place of high population as all the energies which constitute her projections and modifications of the holographic systems - would be interfered with.

This is part of why this thing exists -of a 'hidden hand'.

Awareness breaks that control, awareness breaks the ability of it to slip by unnoticed and manipulate via channels and systems that the vast majority of the population is unaware of.

[panopticon]

In my Zen years, the way in which I envisioned an ideal future would be to end my days like one of the Taoist hermits in ancient times who lived in simple, carefree solitude on remote mountaintops, in ever closer communion with the Tao.


I reckon that's a great idea.

I couldn't live in a city now.

There again, the old saying goes "where ever I go, there I am".
-- Pan

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

In my Zen years, the way in which I envisioned an ideal future would be to end my days like one of the Taoist hermits in ancient times who lived in simple, carefree solitude on remote mountaintops, in ever closer communion with the Tao.


I reckon that's a great idea.

I couldn't live in a city now.

There again, the old saying goes "where ever I go, there I am".
-- Pan

You might find this interesting to you!


Exodus 33:7
Now Moses used to take a tent and pitch it outside the camp some distance away, calling it the "tent of meeting." Anyone inquiring of the LORD would go to the tent of meeting outside the camp.

You'd almost think Moses was a Buddhist, lol!

[deridan]

I just wanted to say something, fire needs to be expressed,when its there, and perhaps i stay away sothat fewer are kindled in me,

its no fun to be in that boat, sensitivities getting one in trouble in life, one needs a hand in those cases to detune, or tune sothat one is in control,

none of these things are the reward in and of itself, life is the reward, wrongly we have heard that life perhaps needs to change, perhaps this is oly the zoo
?!?!?!

[Mike]

Chinaski, (his post is on the previous pg here) in Inelia's case, we've got Bill's assurance that she's the authentic item. So in that case, there are no doubts on this end that she pulled something like that off. For me, that's proof enough.

Same goes for others who make claims of this nature. Maybe they don't have video's showing that they did it but if there are people who witnessed it, that's at least something as opposed to nothing when one is considering if the story is true or not.


hi Roisin, I trust in Bill's judgment too, and think, for the most part, that Inelia is the "real deal" as they say. I was really just using this as an example. I find most demonstrations of fantastic talent to be more inspirational that egotistical. imagine if our athletes and actors and musicians had the attitude of our "humble" psychics. i'm trying to imagine Springsteen apologizing to a capacity crowd, declaring the concert over before it even began because he felt the thing was too egotistical. and truthfully, I don't think there's anything wrong with a little ego here n there...so long as it doesn't spiral out of control. I find phony humility an even lesser quality than excessive ego.

as far as living off sunlight...i'm not writing it off. but i'd have to see it to believe it. it's a miracle on par with Jesus. I tend to believe it's possible, but so incredibly unlikely that an intelligent mind has no choice but to question it.

[Carmody]

Chinaski, (his post is on the previous pg here) in Inelia's case, we've got Bill's assurance that she's the authentic item. So in that case, there are no doubts on this end that she pulled something like that off. For me, that's proof enough.

Same goes for others who make claims of this nature. Maybe they don't have video's showing that they did it but if there are people who witnessed it, that's at least something as opposed to nothing when one is considering if the story is true or not.

I claim to have made approx 4000 people SIT DOWN, at the peak of a given concert, when the rest of the crowd was standing (+50,000 people). (among other instances)

There is video of the concert available, so the people who know what I'm talking about could probably find video of the concert, and see that happening. I like to remain incognito on the forum here, for various reasons, so I don't speak about when and where this concert took place. (twas but a simple thing)

Proof is available. Understanding it, what it is, what it represents, how it works, that is another issue altogether.

Our major problem is that the 'monkey mind' is like a pair of rose colored filtered and polarized glasses that overlays all aspects of our consciousness formation intake/ouput. This causes us to filter at the animal level, in both expression of mental voice in head and the formation of voice in head.

To not confuse that internal voice with the driving consciousness, which has no voice. The voice in your head is a programed and self erected/built TOOL, a PROGRAM for running the day to day, moment to moment aspects of linear unidirectional timeflow living.

Freud and modern psychology talk as if this voice aspect is really YOU.

He could not have been more wrong.

Since most people live and exist that way (world reflects it in all aspects), it is difficult to find the edge of it and peel the cover story back, and find the truth of what is what..which hides beneath that.

The ego is 'high level language' (WYSIWYG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG)) development of the body's avatar control system, it is not YOU.

The real you is deeper, beneath the animal layers, beneath the ego/emotional filter/shapers of thought.

in every single component of how you attempt to express yourself, even in the slightest internal voice formation, in the slightest motion of body, in the slightest formation and expression of an emotion, or idea, understand this, in every waking moment.

IF..you do that, as a point in opening of understanding, the change will come for you.

But you must work at it, as the body will attempt to shut such a thing/effort/attempt down by tearing that thought formation apart, as it attempts to become thought, remembrance, and expression point - in flowing of understanding. It will attempt to blot it out, like a thing of absolute horror. (how is brainwashing done at the black ops level again? Avatar training and enforcement of conditions, same way, they know what is going on....)

This is due to you challenging your own avatar's internal programming and design, and it feels like total dissolution to the ego/body, so it fights for it's life, in what it knows on all level, life to be. You'll be having a fight to the death inside of yourself, and all of every aspect of mental formation and expression will go haywire. It is up to you to figure out how to get it done.

But, if you do, then the true clarity begins.

Just remember, your mind will turn from this post and what is written. i say 'remember' as a time will come when you will possibly find this post, again,and note that the thought and the intent was driven from you, from the inside. That you yourself forced it away, with the help of the consciousness of the rest of reality formation working on you, at the same time.

I have played with these aspects HUNDREDS of times before. Blanking minds out, making people call me, speaking OUT LOUD in their heads, speaking to animals with no sound, and so on.

This **** is easy!....once you can accept the fact that it actually exists and let yourself into a greater world, and drop the block on your more complete consciousness.

This is directly tied to this issue of humans with exceptional abilities, as it is an aspect of not having the internal animal block on full consciousness and expression...THAT..is key, here.

Exceptional abilities? Not so much. Just people who are aware of the connectivity and have learned to express it. One thing, though, is KEY to this.

The ability to visualize. After all, one must be able to see what it is that they are doing. It matters not, in some ways, what is imagined, but visualization is key. The more complete and complex the visualization, in-situ and in motion, the better.

'Randomly' happening to be listening to, right now:

Amo Bishop Roden
The Boards Of Canada
'In a Beautiful Place' (album)
from: Warp Records

_n66nLeVkgk

Do you see how this works, now?

Reality must fit as it forms, so the flow 'becomes'... synchronicity is the onset of creationism aligning in the individual as a form of coming to a state of knowing in connection.


Essentially, for the average person, it's hard to learn how to swim..when one does not understand the concept of fluids - even .....existing.

Especially when the carrier of the space, the body as vehicle...blocks it, within the formation of the consensus reality.

[Roisin]

Chanaski, most fantastic talents start out small. Not all of them but most of them. Doing demo's in front of people motivates them to improve at those things they are trying to get better at. For example, Spiritualist Churches operate that way where they put pressure on beginners to go up in front of everybody and then pick out people who are there and try to psychically pick things up about them in terms of those things they are experiencing at that point in time and this includes making predictions about what might be coming up. That's the kind of training I had for a few years as a member of one of those churches. But it definitely contributed enormously toward my psychic development because it forced me to practice at it and not just wait for things to come spontaneously. It also teaches you not to feel embarrassed when your insights or predictions turned out not to be true because everybody else experiences that too; more often than not. So when you approach it that way, if you have a 'hit' that's great but if it turns out to be a dud, that's fine too because at least you tried and that's all that matters.

[Roisin]

Carmody, that's a whopper of a post and it's going to take me awhile just to read it over line by line again to truly comprehend your message. I'll post some of my insights on it later and thanks so much for your comments!

[Mike]

Chinaski, (his post is on the previous pg here) in Inelia's case, we've got Bill's assurance that she's the authentic item. So in that case, there are no doubts on this end that she pulled something like that off. For me, that's proof enough.

Same goes for others who make claims of this nature. Maybe they don't have video's showing that they did it but if there are people who witnessed it, that's at least something as opposed to nothing when one is considering if the story is true or not.

I claim to have made approx 4000 people SIT DOWN, at the peak of a given concert, when the rest of the crowd was standing (+50,000 people). (among other instances)

There is video of the concert available, so the people who know what I'm talking about could probably find video of the concert, and see that happening. I like to remain incognito on the forum here, for various reasons, so I don't speak about when and where this concert took place. (twas but a simple thing)

Proof is available. Understanding it, what it is, what it represents, how it works, that is another issue altogether.

Our major problem is that the 'monkey mind' is like a pair of rose colored filtered and polarized glasses that overlays all aspects of our consciousness formation intake/ouput. This causes us to filter at the animal level, in both expression of mental voice in head and the formation of voice in head.

To not confuse that internal voice with the driving consciousness, which has no voice. The voice in your head is a programed and self erected/built TOOL, a PROGRAM for running the day to day, moment to moment aspects of linear unidirectional timeflow living.

Freud and modern psychology talk as if this voice aspect is really YOU.

He could not have been more wrong.

Since most people live and exist that way (world reflects it in all aspects), it is difficult to find the edge of it and peel the cover story back, and find the truth of what is what..which hides beneath that.

The ego is 'high level language' (WYSIWYG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG)) development of the body's avatar control system, it is not YOU.

The real you is deeper, beneath the animal layers, beneath the ego/emotional filter/shapers of thought.

in every single component of how you attempt to express yourself, even in the slightest internal voice formation, in the slightest motion of body, in the slightest formation and expression of an emotion, or idea, understand this, in every waking moment.

IF..you do that, as a point in opening of understanding, the change will come for you.

But you must work at it, as the body will attempt to shut such a thing/effort/attempt down by tearing that thought formation apart, as it attempts to become thought, remembrance, and expression point - in flowing of understanding. It will attempt to blot it out, like a thing of absolute horror. (how is brainwashing done at the black ops level again? Avatar training and enforcement of conditions, same way, they know what is going on....)

This is due to you challenging your own avatar's internal programming and design, and it feels like total dissolution to the ego/body, so it fights for it's life, in what it knows on all level, life to be. You'll be having a fight to the death inside of yourself, and all of every aspect of mental formation and expression will go haywire. It is up to you to figure out how to get it done.

But, if you do, then the true clarity begins.

Just remember, your mind will turn from this post and what is written. i say 'remember' as a time will come when you will possibly find this post, again,and note that the thought and the intent was driven from you, from the inside. That you yourself forced it away, with the help of the consciousness of the rest of reality formation working on you, at the same time.

I have played with these aspects HUNDREDS of times before. Blanking minds out, making people call me, speaking OUT LOUD in their heads, speaking to animals with no sound, and so on.

This **** is easy!....once you can accept the fact that it actually exists and let yourself into a greater world, and drop the block on your more complete consciousness.

This is directly tied to this issue of humans with exceptional abilities, as it is an aspect of not having the internal animal block on full consciousness and expression...THAT..is key, here.

Exceptional abilities? Not so much. Just people who area ware of the connectivity and have learned to express it. One thing, though, is KEY to this.

The ability to visualize. After all, one must be able to see what it is that they are doing. It matters not, in some ways, what is imagined, but visualization is key. The more complete and complex the visualization, in-situ and in motion, the better.

'Randomly' happening to be listening to, right now:

Amo Bishop Roden
The Boards Of Canada
'In a Beautiful Place' (album)
from: Warp Records

_n66nLeVkgk

Do you see how this works, now?

Reality must fit as it forms, so the flow 'becomes'... synchronicity is the onset of creationism aligning in the individual as a form of coming to a state of knowing in connection.



hi Carmody, if you indeed made that claim somewhere (making the 4000 people sit down) I can't help but ask: what drove you to do it? (make the claim) was it the monkey or the driving consciousness? and if it was the driving consciousness that motivated it (and your other claims) why do you then feel an additional demonstration would be egotistical, or monkey-ish?

this isn't intended as a "gotcha" post; it's a genuine inquiry. i'm trying to understand. if you can get in my head and speak to me that way, you have my full permission to do it. i'd love to see it performed! I really would. i'm very curious. and before I forget: where can I find a copy of this video you're talking about?

my mind didn't really turn away from your post; I understand and agree mostly with what you're saying about the authentic self, or driving consciousness. but while i'm here, enmeshed in 3d, I also understand I am many things: my body, mind, higher self, ego etc...and all are required for my survival here on this planet and in this dimension at this time. the monkey has kept me alive, so I have no choice but to be grateful for it. if I could remove myself from society, and live in an ashram or something, I might attempt to shed all these layers, but as it stands...

a funny anecdote: (speaking of Freud) the writer, William Saroyan, was a notorious drinker, and an even more notorious poker player and gambler. one night he cleaned out all his friends, and actually gave them all their money back so they could continue playing. he subsequently lost everything, got a substantial loan from his editor, went to a casino and was soon up big again. he played all night, losing everything all over again. it's said that afterwards he stood on the poker table and shouted, "I don't care what Freud says! I want to win!!!"

[Carmody]

hi Carmody, if you indeed made that claim somewhere (making the 4000 people sit down) I can't help but ask: what drove you to do it? was it the monkey or the driving consciousness? and if it was the driving consciousness that motivated it (and your other claims) why do you then feel a demonstration would be egotistical, or monkey-ish?

this isn't intended as a "gotcha" post; it's a genuine inquiry. i'm trying to understand. if you can get in my head and speak to me that way, you have my full permission to do it. i'd love to see it performed! I really would. i'm very curious. and before I forget: where can I find a copy of this video you're talking about?

my mind didn't really turn away from your post; I understand and agree mostly with what you're saying about the authentic self, or driving consciousness. but while i'm here, enmeshed in 3d, I also understand I am many things: my body, mind, higher self, ego etc...and all are required for my survival here on this planet and on this dimension at this time. the monkey has kept me alive, so I have no choice but to be grateful for it. if I could remove myself from society, and live in an ashram or something, I might attempt to shed all these layers, but as it stands...

a funny anecdote: (speaking of Freud) the writer, William Saroyan, was a notorious drinker, and an even more notorious poker player and gambler. one night he cleaned out all his friends, and actually gave them all their money back so they could continue playing. he subsequently lost everything, got a substantial loan from his editor, went to a casino and was soon up big again. he played all night, losing everything all over again. it's said that afterwards he stood on the poker table and shouted, "I don't care what Freud says, I want to win!!!"

There can be no revelations that are external in an attempt to help people become aware of who, and exactly 'what' they are.

To engage in external proofs, as an initial point of unfolding, to extend such a condition into others whom I have no direct personal knowing of, that engages the animal side of self and it's expression, and that is a serious problem which will cascade into aspects of religion. That must not happen again. The age of Pisces (nebulous religion) is past, we move into the age of electric consensus aware humanity, the age of Aquarius.

Knowing vs not knowing must not be an origin point in the development of separation into 'classes' of humanity. That sort of moment may come, be it sharply defined or loosely defined, but to put it off for as long as possible, is what is required for humanity, on the individual level, to chart it's own course.

Buddhists teach one-on-one, for the same sort of reasons. Anything else is highly irresponsible, and ultimately damaging, to all and individual.

The call comes from within. The world (in all it's myriad expression) rises to greet it.

[Mike]

hi Carmody, if you indeed made that claim somewhere (making the 4000 people sit down) I can't help but ask: what drove you to do it? was it the monkey or the driving consciousness? and if it was the driving consciousness that motivated it (and your other claims) why do you then feel a demonstration would be egotistical, or monkey-ish?

this isn't intended as a "gotcha" post; it's a genuine inquiry. i'm trying to understand. if you can get in my head and speak to me that way, you have my full permission to do it. i'd love to see it performed! I really would. i'm very curious. and before I forget: where can I find a copy of this video you're talking about?

my mind didn't really turn away from your post; I understand and agree mostly with what you're saying about the authentic self, or driving consciousness. but while i'm here, enmeshed in 3d, I also understand I am many things: my body, mind, higher self, ego etc...and all are required for my survival here on this planet and on this dimension at this time. the monkey has kept me alive, so I have no choice but to be grateful for it. if I could remove myself from society, and live in an ashram or something, I might attempt to shed all these layers, but as it stands...

a funny anecdote: (speaking of Freud) the writer, William Saroyan, was a notorious drinker, and an even more notorious poker player and gambler. one night he cleaned out all his friends, and actually gave them all their money back so they could continue playing. he subsequently lost everything, got a substantial loan from his editor, went to a casino and was soon up big again. he played all night, losing everything all over again. it's said that afterwards he stood on the poker table and shouted, "I don't care what Freud says, I want to win!!!"

There can be no revelations that are external in an attempt to help people become aware of who, and exactly 'what' they are.

To engage in external proofs, as an initial point of unfolding, to extend such a condition into others whom I have no direct personal knowing of, that engages the animal side of self and it's expression, and that is a serious problem which will cascade into aspects of religion. That must not happen again. The age of Pisces (nebulous religion) is past, we move into the age of electric consensus aware humanity, the age of Aquarius.

Knowing vs not knowing must not be an origin point in the development of separation into 'classes' of humanity. That sort of moment may come, be it sharply defined or loosely defined, but to put it off for as long as possible, is what is required for humanity, on the individual level, to chart it's own course.

Buddhists teach one-on-one, for the same sort of reasons. Anything else is highly irresponsible, and ultimately damaging, to all and individual.

The call comes from within. The world (in all it's myriad expression) rises to greet it.


ok, fair enough.

but I still can't let you off the hook here, my friend;). please excuse my monkey nagging, but I must know (in spite of all you have written above)...why then did you cause the people to sit at the concert? why even make the claim to begin with? see what i'm saying? why do it then but not now???

and if there is indeed a copy of that vid floating around, i'd love to see it.

[Carmody]

ok, fair enough.

but I still can't let you off the hook here, my friend;). please excuse my monkey nagging, but I must know (in spite of all you have written above)...why then did you cause the people to sit at the concert? why even make the claim to begin with? see what i'm saying? why do it then but not now???

and if there is indeed a copy of that vid floating around, i'd love to see it.

I've spoken on the subject directly and the circumstances, directly, on this forum, in some posts..somewhere.

But.. no names, no places, no dates, no locations, nothing. I even explained exactly how it was done. Rahkyt asked me about it and I explained the nuances of this particular form and method of projection and unfolding of effects. It was a complex act of knowing what can be done, what to do, and how to do it.

Showing people that mass mind manipulation can be done, even in the midst of extreme emotionalism (which is directing mind/body outcome in that moment) that is aimed elsewhere, is probably not the best thing to be illustrating.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hey Carmody, here is a hilarious coincidence (it was lollerific to me):

a small scary spider was rappelling down my bathroom mirror this morning.
I said "get back up there you are not supposed to be in here", expected him or her to keep descending toward the sink and bother me even more.

the damn spider walked back up its thread to the top of the mirror.

it was probably my coffee breath that scared him away, but LOL anyway, that was funny stuff.
Spiders are really smart btw, maybe he knew he was threatened.

[davyj0nes]

perhaps if we knew of some way to activate the metagene... oh well

The Metagene is a biological variant lying dormant in select members of the human race, until an instant of extraordinary physical and emotional over-stress activates it. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/blueplanetproject/blueplanetproject09.htm)

http://goldenageofgaia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/pyramid-energy.jpg

[Dorjezigzag]

Hey Carmody, here is a hilarious coincidence (it was lollerific to me):

a small scary spider was rappelling down my bathroom mirror this morning.
I said "get back up there you are not supposed to be in here", expected him or her to keep descending toward the sink and bother me even more.

the damn spider walked back up its thread to the top of the mirror.

it was probably my coffee breath that scared him away, but LOL anyway, that was funny stuff.
Spiders are really smart btw, maybe he knew he was threatened.
lol
My girlfriend calls me the insect whisperer,

for some reason when I put on a certain voice they do exactly what I ask them, although the wasps have not been so friendly this year

[Heartsong]

I have a question for those that are psychically aware and active, mostly for those who can move people or weather or circumstances.

Is there a code or ethic that goes with your practices? Are all advanced practitioners are aware of this ethic or code? How do you as individuals decide what you are going to do, as in who or what you will effect and to what degree?

You see, what skills I have I decided not to use.

[Roisin]

I have a brother-in-law who's the pastor of his church who has the ability to mesmerize people to the extent that when they're talking with him, eyeball to eyeball, the other person all of the sudden loses their train of thought and momentarily forgets what they were just about to say. His eyes are almost hypnotic when his attention is directed at you during those one on one conversations. This "forgetting" phenomenon can happen a few times within any conversation one has with him and it's very WEIRD. I personally don't feel that he has any control over that.

On the other hand though, he's very controlling and manipulative. For example, he'll walk up to you and start off a friendly conversation where he may even compliment you about something and will get you talking about yourself on one thing or another only to then catch you completely off guard by posing a totally unexpected off-topic sh#t-trench question where you end up answering it by unintentionally agreeing with the accusation that's embedded within the question -- due to that mesmerizing ability of his.

IOW's, because he sprang the question on so abruptly and seamlessly within the friendly conversation, you end up sputtering about and ultimately answering that sh#t-trench question exactly the way he wants you to answer it regardless that the accusation that's directed at you in the form of a question is totally untrue. And the reason why that happens is because of that mesmerizing ability of his that's definitely in the exceptional ability category and it's very scary.

So there's that combo here of a manipulative personality and someone who gets what he wants due to his exceptional ability to hypnotize people during his conversations with them. Charles Manson was the same way.

[chocolate]

My ethic code is really very simple, Heartsong. "First, do no harm" and take the higher road.

From my perspective, everything that we, I mean all of us, those who know and those who do not know (which doesn't mean they don't have the gifts, just they need to realize they do) do must come from the position of compassion and detachment. I have witnessed people in power do whatever makes them feel better, without thinking of the implications of what their actions bear for the rest of the world. And for the overall process that is dangerous. I think if you are unaware of what your actions might bring onto others is one thing, but once you know, then you have no excuse to continue without consequences for your own path.

For everyone given the gift of might, power, insight, comes also the responsibility to act according to the entrusted power, without involving egos and personal gains.

[RunningDeer]

I have a question for those that are psychically aware and active, mostly for those who can move people or weather or circumstances.

Is there a code or ethic that goes with your practices? Are all advanced practitioners are aware of this ethic or code? How do you as individuals decide what you are going to do, as in who or what you will effect and to what degree?

You see, what skills I have I decided not to use.

Hello Heartsong,

I don’t consider myself an advance practitioner only years of practice. I’ve had formal training in energy dynamics. One of which was with the “Stuart Wilde’s Warrior Wisdom 5 day Intensive”. Some highlights were an outward bound and the fire walk experience, exposure beyond the ordinary world, and how to usurp chi/life energy from others OR the choice to tap the power within.

For me, energy is energy. Intention defines the purpose.

Most of ‘my’ spontaneous happenings come from seeking answers by way of inner knowing, and then tossing it out to the greater for confirmation. It’s a work in progress. Timely manifestations present in the form of things, animals, people, and knowledge. How the practice helps myself and others is by sharpening the co-creative powers. It’s sometimes conscious sometimes not, but always a continuous blend and flow of energy through All.

One last point to address your question, “How do you as individuals decide what you are going to do, as in who or what you will effect and to what degree?’:

In terms of healing, our Higher Selves carry out the plan on how we've chosen to claim it NOW.
In terms of me working on say ridding chemtrails? Those, I see vaporize. They go no where but GONE.

[william r sanford72]

Thank you for the last couple post and the Question heartstrong posted.really should just say this thread rocks....:wizard:

[ulli]

I have a brother-in-law who's the pastor of his church who has the ability to mesmerize people to the extent that when they're talking with him, eyeball to eyeball, the other person all of the sudden loses their train of thought and momentarily forgets what they were just about to say. His eyes are almost hypnotic when his attention is directed at you during those one on one conversations. This "forgetting" phenomenon can happen a few times within any conversation one has with him and it's very WEIRD. I personally don't feel that he has any control over that.

On the other hand though, he's very controlling and manipulative. For example, he'll walk up to you and start off a friendly conversation where he may even compliment you about something and will get you talking about yourself on one thing or another only to then catch you completely off guard by posing a totally unexpected off-topic sh#t-trench question where you end up answering it by unintentionally agreeing with the accusation that's embedded within the question -- due to that mesmerizing ability of his.

IOW's, because he sprang the question on so abruptly and seamlessly within the friendly conversation, you end up sputtering about and ultimately answering that sh#t-trench question exactly the way he wants you to answer it regardless that the accusation that's directed at you in the form of a question is totally untrue. And the reason why that happens is because of that mesmerizing ability of his that's definitely in the exceptional ability category and it's very scary.

So there's that combo here of a manipulative personality and someone who gets what he wants due to his exceptional ability to hypnotize people during his conversations with them. Charles Manson was the same way.

People who were born with exact Pluto Aspects, or strong Scorpio charts, can do this.
Not all will, however, once they learn that those powers carry with them potentially hurtful karma.
The thing is to know when is the right moment to apply such traits.

Scorpios are the most psychic types among us...they know how not to waste their energies,
maintain their silence, and direct it when needed with laser-like precision.

[Roisin]

You're right on target ulli! He's a Scorpio and I'm going try to find out what time he was born to see what his planetary aspects look like... especially Pluto!

[Selene]

Heartsong, you asked an excellent question:


I have a question for those that are psychically aware and active, mostly for those who can move people or weather or circumstances.

Is there a code or ethic that goes with your practices? Are all advanced practitioners are aware of this ethic or code? How do you as individuals decide what you are going to do, as in who or what you will effect and to what degree?

I would say that ethical questions lie at the very core of psychic activity – or the choices that are made to use or not use certain skills in any given case.

This is described in the ancient distinction between thaumaturgy: “wonder working” or imposing an outcome based on personal ego/creation and theurgy: freeing the greater good to act in its own highest interests, “Thy will be done, not mine...”.

The difference is not in the techniques, which are the same in both cases. This is why some say that there is no difference between so-called black (thaumaturgic) and white (theurgic) magic. But the difference in the intention toward the outcome is, in my view, significant. And this is where ethics comes very much into play.

Now, mind you, this is not a simple question of black or white, but one of degree and subtlety. And you learn from experience, some quite unexpected.

Deciding, say, I want to meet and marry The Handsomest Man In The World and setting your intention into motion may be of little greater importance – you’ll simply discover how many other women are also chasing him all day long and how little resistance he has to their charms!

But to decide: move this hurricane down the coast... stop/start this rain... or block that law that affects millions.... well. This has many, many implications. The Law of Unintended Consequences will be writ large here, and the greater fractal of cosmic geometry, once altered, can rebound with furious response in some direction that our feeble human intelligence never anticipated.

Yes, you can get what you asked for. But is the fully-realized outcome really what you wanted? Did you fully understand that turning that hurricane here and now will/could result in human-killing temperatures and desertification on another continent which would persist for a century? Did you understand this? And if you had, what decision would you have made if you knew you would be held fully responsible for the long-term outcome? Different question, isn’t it?

And that’s when you realize you don’t know enough to make that decision to alter reality. As a human, we don’t necessarily have the smarts. And you almost certainly do not want the responsibility on your record. Because you are responsible for your decisions, period. Psychic power is not a toy, nor an amusement or frivolity. It has real implications, big time. And great power invokes great responsibility. Yours.

So what about requests for healing, getting jobs or good grades, saving lives? Good stuff. Or hopefully so. But this is where, once again, our simple solution may not be the best one. That’s a toughie. Naturally, we want that infant to live. We want it to thrive and be happy. But do we really understand all the implications and the purpose of its brief incarnation here? Are we prepared to alter the destiny of its soul and its parents for all time going forward? Do you know enough of the full story?

This is why, when I read truly heart-rending requests for aid or healing, my only prayer is: May the highest and best outcome be realized here. I look for the highest long-term good, that’s all. And I understand that I don’t necessarily know what that highest-and-best outcome ought to be. It may not be a longer life here. I don’t know that. I only work here. I only want that soul to achieve its highest best outcome with as little suffering as possible.

This is not throwing away your power; it is realizing it in the highest degree.

There is a wonderful Monty Python skit about the guy who finally gets to interview God. After much to-ing and fro-ing, he is finally ushered into the presence of the Most High, whom he discovers is not a great power on a throne but a little old gardener at work in a very large garden, somewhat concerned about the health of a very small plant and mumbling to himself….

Cheers,

Selene

[Mike]

ok, fair enough.

but I still can't let you off the hook here, my friend;). please excuse my monkey nagging, but I must know (in spite of all you have written above)...why then did you cause the people to sit at the concert? why even make the claim to begin with? see what i'm saying? why do it then but not now???

and if there is indeed a copy of that vid floating around, i'd love to see it.

I've spoken on the subject directly and the circumstances, directly, on this forum, in some posts..somewhere.

But.. no names, no places, no dates, no locations, nothing. I even explained exactly how it was done. Rahkyt asked me about it and I explained the nuances of this particular form and method of projection and unfolding of effects. It was a complex act of knowing what can be done, what to do, and how to do it.

Showing people that mass mind manipulation can be done, even in the midst of extreme emotionalism (which is directing mind/body outcome in that moment) that is aimed elsewhere, is probably not the best thing to be illustrating.



in "some posts"? "somewhere"? boy you're slippery! ok, so let me get this straight: showing people that mass manipulation can be done is probably not the best thing to be illustrating...yet you claim to have already done it at least once, claim to have access to a video of it, claim it is a pretty easy thing to do...buuuut will not demonstrate it here again and will not reveal this mystery video because...well...*why* again?

see, this is where you lose me. I am not trying to be a pest or a debunker - truly - but I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight if I didn't ask these questions. I am not calling your integrity into question or calling you a fraud. nothing of the sort. i'm just a curious chap who would like to see a little follow-thru is all. I feel it is a perfectly reasonable stance, and yet I can't help but feel like the bad guy on these types of threads. a true enigma...

I don't know if it's against Avalon rules, but i'd like to personally (and I'd hope others would join in) pledge $50 to anyone who can prove an ability to affect objective reality in an incontrovertible way. I do like to joke around here quite a bit, but i'm deadly serious. i'm guessing we could put a nice pot of cash together. what say you, Avalon. who's in?

we often talk here of the general public or the average citizen as an individual who has their head in the sand, sometimes willingly, to avoid a reality they can't or won't deal with. so what do they do? they accept the current paradigm...or invent their own reality, their own illusions. but don't we do that here as well? are we any different? haven't we invented a sort of cozy, quasi-'lord of the rings' environment where we all feel safe to express ourselves, talk current events, and, if not make stuff up to make ourselves feel better or more important, then at least exaggerate a little? we've created a really fun reality where there are virtually no impossibilities...except when it comes to exploring those impossibilities practically, no one is willing to step up. it's almost like talking about sex day in and day out, but not getting any action. not only not getting any action, but also getting muddy, professorial reasons why that don't seem to add up in any way, shape or form. it's a tease, and I've got a throbbing set of spiritual blue-balls that are seeking a little satisfaction...if you'll excuse the metaphor.

so that's where i'm at. no disrespect to anybody at all - i'm not antagonizing. I extend my good will to each and every member here. this sort of stuff just really gets in my craw, is all.

[RunningDeer]

I don't know if it's against Avalon rules, but i'd like to personally (and I'd hope others would join in) pledge $50 to anyone who can prove an ability to affect objective reality in an incontrovertible way.

For me, most phenomenon can’t be documented because the physical evidence came and went as needed. If I try to replicate, I miss what’s meant to experience right NOW.

At some point you stop looking outside yourself for evidence. If you ask me, doubt it’s a clever and unfortunate mind trick to keep one from who they are. What a time and energy waster.

Reshare:

Over my bed, I had three Christmas balls that looked like bubbles hanging from my ceiling at different lengths. It gave the illusion that they were floating.


A friend randomly picked a ball for me to move. He upped the challenge to swing left/right, back/forth, or circle. Then for the finale move all three. Even as I type, I can’t believe it happened over and over. I sit here now and say, "How cool!" Back then it was just ordinary.

It wasn’t all at once “Oh, my God!”

While alone, I’d notice one move and the other two didn’t. I rationalized it was a breeze, even though no windows were opened. I intellectualized that it was the air currents. 

I didn’t believe it. But once I figured out the fear of failure/nothing to loose part, I stared at another goat...I mean ball. And IT moved.

So why not film it? Why not go for the $50 bucks. Is it fear of failure? Fear of branded a charlatan? It’s that and more. No matter how may times it’s demonstrated, there’ll alway be those unwilling to go beyond their comfort zone. So they point and say, “She’s a fake.” Ha! There are days I wonder that myself.

For those interested in the technique:

I just visualize. See them moving. In the beginning, feel or call up or recognize a sensation in either your the heart, stomach or belly button region.

How I’d describe it’s like when you're up really high on the a swing, and just as you’re about to come back down, there’s that tickle-giggle sensation. After awhile, I streamlined it. I just saw them moving in my mind’s eye.

:wave:

UPDATE: I forgot to add that my friend applied the same techniques above. He did it too, but did not believe himself. He said I did it. Even when I turned away and he didn't tell me which one he picked. He still didn't believe.http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

[william r sanford72]

Im sorry..but chinaski..really man..Throbbing set of spiritual blue-balls??..!!lol!

[johnf]

I don't know if it's against Avalon rules, but i'd like to personally (and I'd hope others would join in) pledge $50 to anyone who can prove an ability to affect objective reality in an incontrovertible way.

For me, most phenomenon can’t be documented because the physical evidence came and went as needed. If I try to replicate, I miss what’s meant to experience right NOW.

At some point you stop looking outside yourself for evidence. If you ask me, doubt it’s a clever and unfortunate mind trick to keep one from who they are.



I believe any challenges to prove these things or disprove them, are guaranteed to appear to disprove them.
This will continue until they are no longer a big deal.
The overall state of mankind is engaged almost exclusively in the physical universe as all that is.
To demonstrate psychic abilities in the general public has a tendency to traumatize all concerned.
I think Carmody's posts attest to that.
I have milder experiences that led me to beleive that to go down this road is to lose the chance for the big prize.
I am here to experience, walks in the woods, work, relationships with other people. That experience for me is contained in a bigger non
physical universe that is leading me back to consciousness.

The overt use of psychic abilities to prove things comes with strings that I don't want to be pulled by, (I may be pulled by them anyway to a lesser extent).
The other side of this in my experience is an inability to do these things deliberately on a repetitive basis.
I have more important things to do, I am on a long path here that involves learning to be just another bozo on the bus
who can get along with others, and pull my weight, and not be special, and expect special privileges.
That task is daunting enough, thank you very much.

jf

[RunningDeer]

I don't know if it's against Avalon rules, but i'd like to personally (and I'd hope others would join in) pledge $50 to anyone who can prove an ability to affect objective reality in an incontrovertible way.

For me, most phenomenon can’t be documented because the physical evidence came and went as needed. If I try to replicate, I miss what’s meant to experience right NOW.

At some point you stop looking outside yourself for evidence. If you ask me, doubt it’s a clever and unfortunate mind trick to keep one from who they are.



I have milder experiences that led me to believe that to go down this road is to lose the chance for the big prize.

I am here to experience, walks in the woods, work, relationships with other people. That experience for me is contained in a bigger nonphysical universe that is leading me back to consciousness.

The overt use of psychic abilities to prove things comes with strings that I don't want to be pulled by, (I may be pulled by them anyway to a lesser extent).

The other side of this in my experience is an inability to do these things deliberately on a repetitive basis.

I have more important things to do, I am on a long path here that involves learning to be just another bozo on the bus who can get along with others, and pull my weight, and not be special, and expect special privileges.

That task is daunting enough, thank you very much.

jf
Oh, yes, John!
I began to extract the ones that go Bing! Bing! Bing! When really, a thumbs-up was all that was needed. So, I picked my top 5 that fit closest to what I say. :thumb:

[Mark]

The magnanimity that Bill has shown by opening this thread is an invitation. An invitation to seek one's own inner strength and awareness. The focus, concentration of all inquiry should always be within. Upon Self.

Ain't nothin' like gettin' ya mind blasted.

I don't even have to close my eyes to see the expression on the faces of people who've just had their entire world and belief system upended right in front of their eyes. A certain dullness, slow blinking, mouth agape, body slack. Then, invariably, fear. For some, after the fear, a gleam of avarice enters their eyes.

Without the glamour and glitz of a Vegas magic show, or street magic in the safety of crowds and the bustle of everyday life, an experience with real ability leaves one changed forever. Generally in one of two ways. The third way, the middle way between the other two, could be seen as the best.

Just let it all be and live.

[greybeard]

Abilities are a function to be appreciated but they are not what you are.
Identification along the lines of "I am the gifted xyand z" creates an obstacle to spiritual progress.
Its all quite subtle.
Neither attraction nor aversion.
Everyone is unique with different abilities--- none more special than another.
The Buddha had good advice--- "Put no head above your own"
A Course in Miracles states "Specialness is the last resort of the ego"

However there is a balance and others are to be respected and their gifts appreciated.

Chris

[Selene]

Chinaski, I want to thank you for your very sincere and eloquent questions, and I confess I am among those who have been struggling with an adequate way to assist you here. I know that you speak for many readers wanting to have their doubts resolved and to learn more about their own selves.

It does seem like a few videos should solve your problem, doesn’t it?

But we already know what happens when a YouTube of anything shows up online, don’t we?

“Fake…fake…CGI…charlatan….sh*t…” and all the rest, no matter what the substance of the issue in question. No one who wants to disbelieve is ever disappointed.

In fact, there are already dozens of videos and demonstrations on film of anomalous activities which are authentic. But even after decades of scholarly and accredited research, going back to Prof. J.B. Rhine at Duke University in the 1930’s and since – and evidence that the military etc use psychic skills for practical purposes - people still don’t get it. They still want some kind of “proof”.

That is, they want proof as it applies to them, personally. And that only comes from personal experience.

And that’s fair enough. You can’t be expected to truly understand something at the level of experience necessary here without the personal experience yourself. That’s just how it is.

Trying to “explain” or teach psychic reality by reading or watching a vid is like trying to explain the taste of, say, chocolate or cheese by handing you a cookbook and saying: It’s all right here, read it and you’ll understand. No, you won’t. All the cookbooks in the world are nothing compared to tasting a single mouthful of the chocolate or cheese, the real experience. And then you’ll know – you won’t need the cookbook any more.

Do you remember when you first learned how babies were made – and you thought: Eeeeew. Yuck? And then… adolescence hit. And so did romance. And experience made it all different, didn’t it?

Experience is the great teacher. It’s a slow route, but the only effective one: meditation, contemplation, yoga, self awareness, mindfulness, conscious living, the presence of the spirit. It’s called by many names; it’s all the same idea. Practice, practice, practice in whatever form suits you. And the meaningful answers to your questions will reveal themselves there.

I wish I had a better answer for you here, but I really don’t. I greatly appreciate your sincerity in asking, though.

All my best regards,

Selene

[Swan]

Hello Chinaski,

I don´t know if this counts as "proof", but interesting never-the-less.

A 3 inch bladder tumor shrunk in 3 minutes:

uX--XESfo3s

[Billy]

These are some people i have met many times personally. People with outstanding gifts.

Alex Orbito. A shaman/Christian Whom i met in Holland on three occasions. He put his hands inside my body leaving no marks. He physically opened my chakra's laid a crystal inside each chakra then closed all. Then a blinding light exploded in my third eye, Ecstatic, I had to be carried out. His personal story is amazing.

http://www.pyramidofasia.org/ and here.
http://www.pyramid4light.org/about/rev-alex-orbito/


Quote from Alex.
Dear Brothers and Sisters,

As humanity is entering into a new cycle, it’s important to welcome the new energies that vibrate with the heart. The Pyramid for Light has been spiritually guided from the beginning as a catalyst in this process on both an individual and collective level. Through our spiritual unity, we can all support the Earth´s transformation towards more love, light and healing for all living beings.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sister Briege Mckenna. A Catholic Nun, Whom i first met in Bosnia then again here in Scotland. Crippled with rheumatoid arthritis and in a wheelchair, She was miraculously and instantaneously healed at the age of 24. With this healing she received different spiritual abilities. Being able to see and have direct communication with Jesus, Miraculous healing towards others, Being able to see inside a person and recount all their actions in life. Whether positive or negative. (Much to the embarrassment of many Priests) She healed a child who had suffered from 90% burns on a rubbish dump in Brasil. His skin healed in a few seconds in front of peoples eyes.

I had more than one personal experience with her while in Bosnia.

http://www.catholicireland.net/the-healing-name/

Then i have other personal spiritual experiences that did not involve humans, that i find difficult to put into words.

peace


http://www.pyramidofasia.org/studies.html

Scientific Studies on efficiency treatment
Alex Orbito

During the period 2002 - 2005, Jan van Hemert, M.D., Ph.D, compiled extensive studies on the healing work of Alex Orbito. He also added foreign studies done in Canada and Germany to this research in measuring the effectiveness of the treatments done by Alex Orbito.

He scientifically documented more than 124 medical cases of people who had been treated by Alex Orbito and wrote his findings and conclusions in his Scientific Report

Dr. Jan van Hemert, Ph.D is a neurologist who became a successful medical director in several reputable clinics in the Netherlands. He also became a pioneer in the study of holistic medicine which he studied extensively to validate its application in more than 30 complementary therapeutic disciplines. Through his experience, competence and knowledge, he recently introduced the Cornet Master Studies in affiliation with the DUC University in the Netherlands as post graduate education for medical doctors and therapists.

CV Jan van Hemert, M.D., Ph.D. See attached document.

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Previous Scientific Research and Studies

In the course of his life, Alex Orbito often voluntarily assisted in scientific studies to further measure and understand the phenomena of barehanded or psychic surgery.

The number of studies he voluntarily submitted himself to is numerous and the below list is far from complete since he simply doesn't recall all the different names, centers and hospitals where the researches were performed. Particularly in the early days of his healing ministry in the Philippines (in the seventies) continuous scientific study groups visited and researched his work without keeping any record of these visits and results. Some studies and researches are described in the literature list.

1974 Philippines/Canada; Dr. Lee Pulos
1974 Sweden; Stockholm, Dr. Kosic and Dr. Ronqvist
1975 Denmark; Copenhagen, Dr. Richard Oyson
1977 France; Paris (hospital), Dr. Frudolen
1979 Austria; Vienna (hospital), Dr. Lauda
1972 - 1982 Germany; Dr. Seutemann and Dr. Alfred Stelter, Ph.D
1981 Japan; Tokyo Dr. Nakamoto & Dr. Kumora
1999 Philippines; Natural Sciences Institute, Dr. Saturnino Halos, Ph.D
2002 India; Life Research Academy; Dr. Newton & Dr. Lakshmi
2003 – 2004 Italy; European University for Holistic Medine, Dr. Jan van Hemert, Ph.D
2003 – 2005 Germany; International Biophysics Insitute, Dr. Roeland van Wijk, Ph.D
2006 Russia; St. Petersburg (clinic), Dr. Rushel
Biophysics
Undergoing tests at International Biophysics
Institute, Germany

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Introduction to Quantum Physics

From a holistic point of view, each human being is considered to be an open energy system in constant interaction not only with his environment, but also from where life and awareness is being created. This is a dynamic and active realization process in which each being is truly the creator of his own reality.

The term kwantum (Latin, "how much") refers to discrete units that the theory assigns to certain physical quantities, such as the energy of an atom at rest. The discovery that waves could be measured in particle-like small packets of energy called quanta led to the branch of physics that deals with atomic and subatomic systems which we today call Quantum Mechanics. We do know today, that there is a common "field" which constantly alters by our thoughts, words and actions.

A well known proof of this theory, is the scientific study done by the Japanese Dr. Emoto, who showed that a simple word has the power to change the atomic structure of water.

He discovered that a collective energy field based on love gives beautifully shaped stars at freezing point whereas a collective energy field based on fear gives chaotic structures of water.

Crystals
This clearly shows that our collective energy field which we emanate is the constant creator of our daily reality. Hence the importance to understand that our (sub) consciousness mind is the constant creator of our health or disease.

Key factors towards a healthy life are:

Gaining consciousness that our attitude (being our thoughts, words and actions) towards ourselves and our environment is creating our own reality
Acknowledgement of this self-responsability
Acceptance of the power to re-create our reality as we desire
Hence, comes the realization that:
Thinking, speaking and acting healthy creates health
Thinking, speaking and acting sickly creates sickness

B

[grapevine]

Do you think that at any stage it's too late to tap into latent psychic powers? The Paul Dong book (which is too expensive for me on Amazon at any rate - would love a link to somewhere cheaper if anyone knows of a place) is geared to children and it's commonly felt that you have to "get em while they're young". But at the age of 60, can you do anything more than just read (wistfully) about what might have been?

While writing, a few months ago I read that an eminent professor had suggested that the human mind - memories to be specific - could be cloud based and "out there" rather than within. Additionally, I read that somebody who had never learned to read, could "read" a whole book by placing it under his pillow and sleeping on it. The interesting part was that the more people who had read the book before him, the easier it was for him to pick up what it was about, the inference being that he was plucking it out of consciousness.

Perhaps I'm answering my own question and should get a copy of Paul Dong's book and put it under my pillow . . . . :)?

[Christine]

Are not all people exceptional people? Isn't any ability latent in any Being of consciousness.

I don't have any exceptional abilities.. really I don't. It is an oddity. I can tell of extra ordinary events in my life.. things that surprised and awed me. I can tell stories of emotional upheavals and even moments of pure terror. I relish the moments when the sun or the wind talk through me... I crumble in the moments of doubt and pain. This is LIFE moving through me. Exceptional? Not for me any longer... it just is, moment by moment awareness that I do my best to embrace it as it comes.

Am I creating this, I would say yes. I am a conscious co-creator of what I embody and live around me. Have I expanded and contracted enough? Have I experienced enough to have some wisdom, some patience, and over flowing kindness?

These are the exceptional qualities I value above all... and above all love.

[Roisin]

On a personal level, I'm grateful for those truly exceptional abilities out there, all of which are beyond human comprehension, because they make our not so nearly as exceptional abilities that we may talk about or show via whatever evidential material we may have on that all the more real within the realm of possibilities for those who are considering if whatever that person is describing or showing is true or not.

But be it big or small, they are ALL a reminder to us that we live in a world where anything is possible. All we have to do is BELIEVE that and then wait for the extraordinary to occur. Even Jesus knew how important it is for us to know that hence why he walked on water, turned water into wine, brought Lazarus back from the dead, turned breadcrumbs into loaves of bread to feed hundreds and showed himself in the physical after HE died and was buried. He knew that the "proof is in the pudding" and that we need to see it, to believe it. This is why Jesus made sure that there were plenty of people around to witness his miracles.

[RunningDeer]

Perhaps I'm answering my own question and should get a copy of Paul Dong's book and put it under my pillow . . . . :)?

Talk about book under pillow, w1ndmill, this one excites me for many reasons. See why. For quick link, click here @ 24:27 (http://youtu.be/pEow50Lm1vU?t=24m27s).


The New Humans by Mary Rodwell
pEow50Lm1vU


Published on Dec 17, 2012

Mary Rodwell presented testimony from over 1600 cases she has collated that indicates how advanced extraterrestrial intelligences are preparing the human psyche to accept their presence on our planet. Evidence of complex extraterrestrial programs, which will enable us to interact with and communicate with them, as well as understand our place in the cosmos.

This involves downloads of data such as our true genetic origins, using our psi skills with advanced technology, manipulation of matter, astrophysics and healing. Coupled with genetic, and spiritual programs for awakening of human consciousness, to assist humanity to evolve into a fully functional multidimensional human, Homo Noetics. The New Humans.

Mary Rodwell presented "The New Humans" at the 2nd Annual British Exopolitics Expo on Sunday 8th August, 2010 at the University of Leeds.

[Roisin]

Are not all people exceptional people? Isn't any ability latent in any Being of consciousness.

I don't have any exceptional abilities.. really I don't. It is an oddity. I can tell of extra ordinary events in my life.. things that surprised and awed me. I can tell stories of emotional upheavals and even moments of pure terror. I relish the moments when the sun or the wind talk through me... I crumble in the moments of doubt and pain. This is LIFE moving through me. Exceptional? Not for me any longer... it just is, moment by moment awareness that I do my best to embrace it as it comes.

Am I creating this, I would say yes. I am a conscious co-creator of what I embody and live around me. Have I expanded and contracted enough? Have I experienced enough to have some wisdom, some patience, and over flowing kindness?

These are the exceptional qualities I value above all... and above all love.

Christine, most definitely, your exceptional ability is your inspirational writings that you post here in this board almost on a daily basis. There are a few others here who can do that too but you're one of the more talented ones and this is why I have visited this board for years now to read them over.

Don't let anyone try to diminish this exceptional ability of yours by comparing it to something someone can do on a much more dramatic scale. Your ability is, in reality, no less spectacular than what theirs is because all exceptional abilities serve a purpose to remind that we live in a truly extraordinary world.

Each of us possess some kind of exceptional ability of one sort or another. Be it big or small, they all serve a purpose as reminders that we live in a world chock full of impossibilities.

[RunningDeer]

Do you think that at any stage it's too late to tap into latent psychic powers? The Paul Dong book (which is too expensive for me on Amazon at any rate - would love a link to somewhere cheaper if anyone knows of a place) is geared to children and it's commonly felt that you have to "get em while they're young".

You didn't list the title. Here's a free download of “China's Super Psychics, (http://www.downloadprovider.me/download-k:China-s-Super-Psychics.html?aff.id=1299)” by Paul Dong, Thomas E. Raffill, Ph. D. Karen S. Kramer. Several sites charged $700 and up, so I assumed this is the book.

I didn't download because I didn't want to create an account (only one step involved). Here's the description:

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[Mike]

I understand and respect the fact that things like synchronicity, psychic revelation, and maybe to some degree telepathy are subtle, mostly subjective experiences that cannot be proven. and i'm in no hurry to "prove" them, because I've experienced this type of stuff myself, believe it or not. and even in situations like the one Paula described above (moving the decorative balls)..I am not too terribly eager to see it filmed or "proven", because, though it would be very cool to see, this type of demonstration is very believable. I don't really need to see it done.

BUT...when one claims they can make 4000 people sit at a concert with their mind and their mind alone, when one claims they can affect weather dramatically and seriously affect world events...it begins to sound like a boast. and where I come from, boasts are generally required to be followed up with *action*. I hesitate to write this, because if you've just tuned in now you may think i'm an antagonizer, or that I have it out for Carmody or Jim in particular....not true! I think Carmody is a titanic presence here, and when I understand what he's saying really like reading his stuff. Jim, I very rarely understand what you're saying, honestly, but I think beneath it all beats a soft heart; I don't really mind listening to all your claims because I know there's a decent human being there; there's no malevolence there. see?

I must say: I am surprised that more people are not asking for a little demonstration here n there. Selene, thank you for your lovely post (I would have thanked it twice if I could;)), but ive often heard that sentiment about the video echoed throughout the forum, this issue of regardless of the documentation there will still be skeptics etc...and that's sort of my point: there's *always* a reason not to do it! always...without fail.

now perhaps this type of discussion wasn't what Bill intended when he started this thread, and to that I say: well, we're even now for the 'Hollow Earth' thread ya son of a gun:). in all seriousness, I've said what I have to say on the matter, everyone knows how I feel about it, so unless the thread continues in a similar vein I will humbly bow out.

I send my best to everybody:cheers:

[Roisin]

My Pastor brother-in-law's mind control talent gives me verification that Carmody's ability to control a large audience in the way that he is describing it as something that is very possible for those with that kind of ability. With the exception of a few, the vast majority of people who come on forums like this one who make claims of an ability that they have or those experiences they have had too, are telling the truth. The same goes with Jim. There are others out there throughout the ages who had the same talent he does too and this is well documented. And besides that, what would be their motive for making such outrageous claims unless it were true? There's certainly no incentive to reveal such abilities to everyone, that's for sure. It's not going to benefit them financially by making such claims and they can't very well base their claim to fame on those kinds of talents either, so what's their incentive for making them? In my view, many people come here to talk about their experiences and the kinds of things they can do in the extraordinary category because where else can they talk about it? Certainly, they can't talk about it at work or to most friends and sometimes even family because they will be labeled by them as nuts or worse, possessed by the devil. So they come here to talk about those things not only just to get it off their back but also for insights from those who have also had extraordinary experiences. It's as simple as that and there's nothing more to it.

Afterall, everybody knows that having an ability of some sort, even if it's more extraordinary than most, does not by any stretch indicate that that person is more wise, moral, charitable, and unselfish than the rest of us of us mere mortals.

Except for proven healers of serious illnesses. Those ones are much more spiritually advanced than the rest of us.

[heretogrow]

Chinaski,
My advise to you when you want to see proof of this type of phenomena is try it yourself and truly believe in yourself that you can do it too. I doubt that I would start with such big things so try some small experiments instead. Perhaps will a cloud to disappear or a friend to send you a pm. I truly doubt that Carmody or Jim would ever be able to demonstrate enough to you for you to be satisfied and they probably know this. You see, my friend , you don't believe. Therefore you have shut that opportunity down for yourself to experience. I understand it may be out of your comfort zone to believe. But I also suspect, it may be out of your comfort zone to have others that ARE able to experience some things that you have not yet in your life. I believe if you took a leap of faith and put some good honest intent and focus toward this on a regular basis it would occur in your own life more often and more noticeably. It is very hard for someone to confirm something to someone else when they lack belief. To a sensitive person, the constant cries for proof can even feel like a psychic attack after a while. It is a waste of good energy, I honestly believe. You will get proof when you take a leap of faith and believe, but it will be you who experiences that proof in your own being. Otherwise you are blocking it. Sorry for being hard on you buddy, but with this stance you are hurting yourself as well as possibly others, in my humble opinion. I am not singling you out on purpose. We have all done this at one time or another. I really hope you find what you are looking for by way of proof. I secretly hope you will surprise yourself and MAKE it happen for you. You are made of the same stuff. Why would you not be able to practice and develop this other than you do not feel comfortable giving yourself permission.

PS- Don't let anyone else's amount of ability hold you back. In life there is always someone more skilled and always someone less skilled in everything. Yet in all things their is untapped potential. We never know until we try!

PS_Edit to add: We are all human and we all make mistakes according to where we are in life. I have a confession that I was mad at you last night about this need for proof. I was going to bed and had to look at my own feelings and question why it upset me. I discovered I was mad because you are capable the same as anyone else yet you don't see it yet. I have had you in my thoughts all day as I work I have had to do a lot of work today to erase it or else then I am blocked too. I actually held you in my space to see if I could figure out what was wrong. I sense that you don't understand how some can do this and some can't and that causes you to feel uncomfortable and not believe. You know you are made of the same stuff. You just have to believe in it. I am very sorry I was angry at you for a while. We are friends and that is important to me. Therefore I had to be honest. I understand now where you are coming from. Unless I have gotten it all wrong which is indeed possible. I apologize up front if I have.

[Dorjezigzag]

Probably some have seen this already, but it is a video on how people react when they really think they are experiencing psychic phenomenon,

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[Roisin]

Lol, the only one who didn't rehearse their part was the dog. :rolleyes:

Ok, maybe at least 2 or 3 of the humans in that one are real people and not actors but very entertaining clip! Just saw it for the first time a few minutes ago.

[Curt]

Chinaski,
....You see, my friend , you don't believe. Therefore you have shut that opportunity down for yourself to experience. I understand it may be out of your comfort zone to believe........ To a sensitive person, the constant cries for proof can even feel like a psychic attack after a while. It is a waste of good energy, I honestly believe....... Sorry for being hard on you buddy, but with this stance you are hurting yourself as well as possibly others, in my humble opinion.

Subjecting these claims to genuine, honest inquiry shouldn't be a problem. Questioning, in a balanced and respectful way, should be a part of what we're all doing here.

Far from hurting, either himself, or anyone here with genuine ability, he's actually helping to shed light on something many of us are interested in.

The questions may even provoke first-hand experiencers to look at their own experiences in new ways- to go deeper into their understanding.

And you're right. There's no subsitute for direct personal experience. But some people, including myself, are helped by listening to the stories of others, then drilling deeper by asking questions.

For some, it's a way of orienting oneself in the maze before starting out.

[LahTera]

The PK Man is good. Read it many years ago. Books on Edgar Cayce would also be good reads ... it was amazing what he could do and he seemed to find a way to exist and help others with his abilities. Absolutely amazing!

[heretogrow]

Curtis,
Thank you for this response. After I made my post I wondered if maybe these are soley my own projections and really would do more harm than good. This left me feeling raw and vulnerable about posting. Your response helped to bring some much needed balance and perspective to my own state of mind. You are right and I am using the things presented here to learn as well.

Thanks again,
Julia

[LahTera]

There was no "science" to it when strange things started happening to me. I certainly looked for it, though! And I *was* just a kid, but I still tried to do experiments. The entire thing was terrifying, but I didn't have a choice; I had to deal with it. I think what saved my sanity was that there *were* books out there on the topic. Unfortunately, that didn't provide the answers I was looking for, but they did help me to start asking the right questions. I know I can't convince others who don't want to be convinced that what happened to me was real (or that certain things that continue to happen are real). I learned long ago that getting "proof" was pretty much impossible. You just had to be there! (As some of my friends were there and some of those friends would never return -- lol!)

I had no choice and had to be there, so learning is what saved me. It quieted the fear. Knowledge really is power. While I can't prove anything to anyone else, I know my own truths. And I do share my experiences at times with people in order to help them with theirs.

[LahTera]

When it comes to me empathically reading people (not sure if that's the correct "label" -- lol), it hits me very suddenly like a ton of bricks. It's like getting slammed with knowledge and feeling -- I truly believe the emotions are a key factor in these incidents -- and then a compelling feeling hits me where I want to go speak with the person I just "felt." It's *very* compelling. I pretty much had to learn how to stop myself from talking to people (and haven't really found a reason not to ... just wanted to see if I could stop myself, it was so compelling). So I'll talk to the people I read and while that conversation takes place, the intensity calms down, but the flow of information is still there. I'll tell people things about themselves they tend to not want to face most of the time, and we have a nice conversation for the most part. I'm not sure why I do this or why it happens, but it seems to me they feel better after we talk. Some of these people have called me labels, like shaman or witch, but I don't view myself this way.

[LahTera]

Thanks for all the resources on this thread.
Speaking of Inelia Benz, she has always maintained that the "psychic" abilities are in the body.
We have energetic blockages based on trauma that prevent us from accessing all perceptions.
Joe Dispenza and others say that neurosis and PTSD is nOT mental but energetic blocks in the body.
The same kinds of "resistance" from traumas that lead to garden variety "neuroses" also block our ability to access the extrasensory abilities?
I want to share a very meaningful lecture by Paul O'Connor who teaches remote viewing and energy psychology.


Part 1 - "Clearing The Stream” with Energy Psychology Techniques: Using EP Techniques to enhance RV psychic / intuitive functioning
http://youtu.be/Z-LZRgvg63M

Part 2 - We Are Energetic Beings
http://youtu.be/z2gaSUH6Aqc

Part 3 - Energy Healing and Information
http://youtu.be/0eQF5dyg0_U

Part 4 - Our Minds and the Biofield
http://youtu.be/xs0-egjBBEc

Part 5 - Energy Psychology using TAT Acupressure
http://youtu.be/2PmBGGG4mfU

Part 6 - Energy Psychology Toolbox
http://youtu.be/SXuLh0hMw1k

Part 7 - Healing Dysfunctional Beliefs
http://youtu.be/dfgH3ITMNOo

Part 8 - Conclusion
http://youtu.be/JVwijtJ2PF4

There are times when it seems pain and trauma is what unblocks some abilities. Plenty of documentation about that, too, but my sources are pretty old. ;)

[LahTera]

When I first came on Avalon my incentive was that i was going to share many of my stories, I have dropped a few here and there but have held most back, mainly because it just does not feel right, it is not the right time .


I know that feeling! ;) I've only shared a couple things so far ... I'm here today because I was thinking of sharing another, but then I saw this post and here I am. lol

[LahTera]

Why do I share personal phenomena?

Often I stop and ask myself why am I posting what I cannot prove to anyone? What’s my intention? Is it for notoriety or perceived specialness? Or for the times, I’ve experienced during intense sad events, do I share for pity?

My head echoes with, “Wrong reason to share.” My heart echoes back, “No it’s not.”

I’ve lost count of how many post I’ve deleted because I question my intention. In that moment, it feels like an opportunity to say, “Hey, we all do this stuff!” Then, I feel vulnerable and delete.

More and more I feel it’s important for everyone to know these are ordinary tools that we’ve only forgotten. It’s time to awaken to them. And those of us that have bits and piece, now it’s the time to come forward. It helps to trigger recall in others.

Each has the freedom of choice to accept or reject what’s true for themselves. I’d say keep an open mind. It doesn’t matter if I’m believed or not. I'll continue to live the way we are meant to live. Mine are small in comparison to the greats. But they continue to reveal because I know them to be real. I know it IS the way we are. It's time to rev up the engines.

Hearts,
Paula

We are Sisters Of The Deleted Posts! =)

Ha ha! I just deleted one myself. lol

[LahTera]

Robert Monroe (pictured below) is certainly someone who I would describe as an exceptional person with exceptional abilities.


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Here’s a very thought provoking passage from his final book ‘Ultimate Journey” preceded by three relevant definitions of Monroe’s own terms in the book’s glossary:

“Hologram These are commonly products of intersecting light rays which form a visible image in an empty area. The theory put forth herein is that (M) Field energy may be performing the same process in a far more sophisticated manner to create time-space and our Earth Life System.”

“(M) Field Nonphysical energy field that permeates time-space including our Earth Life System, but is not a part of current human scientific knowledge or study.”

“ROTE Acronym for Related Organized Thought Energy, transmitted from one mind to another. A mental book or recording, complete with emotional and sensory patterns.”

“Throughout human history, there have been those who have possessed degrees of control of their (M) Field thought radiation. In some cases this was a product of synthesis by the personality cluster selected for that particular life experience. In others, the process was developed in the individual by an accumulation of residual thought radiation and translated into a working system. By control is meant the willful selection or rejection of incoming thought radiation through manipulation of receptor phasing. The quality and amplitude of the thought radiation expressed by these individuals were directed by the human mind-consciousness to serve planned purposes. The most apparent of these individuals history records as political and religious leaders. The most successful have gone unnoticed owing to the deliberate lack of continuity in their activities. The latter have the means to couple other (M) Field bands with that of thought to produce a variety of experiences within the receptor, to alter matter both in structure and form, and to vary time-space energy fields.

Expressions of minor (M) Field control have abounded throughout recorded human history. They include medicine men, mind readers, witches, magicians, soothsayers, early kings and emperors, hypnotists, mediums, healers, psychokineticists, to mention only a few. Imitators without such control have been rife in every era.

The power of beliefs and belief systems lies in various manipulations of (M) Field energy. Your beliefs become Knowns when you recognize or experience this manipulation.

There are very few ways and means to learn control of (M) Field radiation within contemporary civilizations. This is because of the intense and near-exclusive preoccupation with time-space energies, especially those of the Earth Life System. However, there is some evidence, collected from all over the world, of exploration in the (M) Field with productive results. It is likely that participants would agree that it is too little, too late, and this exploration is not likely to be a factor in the possible survival of human civilization in the current context.


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What could possibly be more basic than the energy field we use, I reflected after studying the ROTE. It amazed me that I had gone all these years without troubling to perceive what had been unloaded on me. It was as if one had been swimming in an ocean for years without feeling the water! There was less curiosity in me than I had thought.

The idea that every thought I may have that is tinged with emotion radiates uncontrolled outward to others is heavy with implication. It is even more uncomfortable to be the recipient of such thoughts that others may emanate. This realization would support the effort of those who make the unrealistic attempt to spread love and light in a predator world, or those who hold that we are part of a Universal One.

This knowledge also fills in a part of our mind-conscious- ness that is usually omitted. Most human (M) Field energy is not love and light. To participate openly in this energy, in phase with all of it, could be devastating. Thus a form of shielding develops automatically as insulation. When and if leaks occur in the form of inadvertent phasing—emotional thinking—we become exposed to an incredible amount of discordant and dangerous radiation.

The ROTE covers other areas also. Charisma, "gut" feelings, instant likes and dislikes without surface justification, and especially the origin and power of belief systems that evoke emotion in large quantities—they all drop into place. Also dealt with is the increasing amount of unexplained phenomena in human action and behavior that cannot be measured by time-space measurement systems and therefore is automatically rejected by orthodox or conventional thinking. One clear example is the placebo effect, recognized time and again but rejected as a prime tool because it does not fit conventional standards. Perhaps this is a case of (M) Field activity.

What of those who apparently are well versed in (M) Field techniques but are very quiet about it? There are nearly six billion humans in physical existence in this time frame. By interpretation of the ROTE it would seem that at least six thousand, who will never be publicly known, possess what may be called incredible ability. This figure can be reduced even more, leaving us with six hundred humans in physical existence at this moment who are on the loose and unrecognized and who can do covertly anything imaginable—and much that we cannot imagine. I believe that I may have met one of them; but I do not know. Where are they? one wonders. What are they doing? How are they using their abilities? If they keep themselves so successfully hidden, there must be good reasons. What reasons? And why are they hanging around being human?”

A profound answer to that question is revealed later in the book.

Wow ... I can so relate to this! You have no idea! Thanks for sharing. :)

[LahTera]

Wanted to share something, don't expect anyone to believe it, but it's the truth.

I had a very short dream last week that I didn't tell anyone here about because it was personal and embarrassing.

In the dream, I was standing with my husband looking at his face.
He looked back at me and said "We are breaking up".

A week later he left.

Maybe this dream means, there are some dreams we should listen to when they come.
Even the simple ones. I should have listened. But I kept on. and now it's all messed up.

I am actually in tears writing this. I don't know why I didn't share the dream on the forum before this happened.
Now it looks like I am telling a convenient lie. But I did have the dream.

It's not exceptional or special but it was real.

I'm so sorry to hear that! Seems your dream was more forthcoming with what was actually going to happen. My dreams are more like guessing games. Regardless, I can only think that you needed to prepare yourself for what was to come, which is my only explanation for why you had the dream. Stay strong! Sending positive vibes your way. ;)

[LahTera]

[QUOTE=Tesla_WTC_Solution;739856]4th October 2013 18:56

p.s. have you ever had strange feelings before a riot or other significant disturbance? for example, being obsessed with the astor place riot the day before the port said football riot? lol :)
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Egypt: 51 killed as clashes erupt, security forces crack down on protests
From Ian Lee. Reza Sayah and Sarah Sirgany, CNN
October 7, 2013 -- Updated 0637 GMT (1437 HKT)

Now, this is a coincidence -- this latest thing in Egypt.

But this next thing, I wanted to show you, I don't know whether it's a coincidence.

this is a picture of the astor place riot. I could not stop thinking about it the night the port said football riot occurred. i even made a post about the english disease. which is known as football hooliganism in our culture. the closest thing in our history was this scuffle in new york city over Macbeth and classism. the people shouted "who will rule this city, the british or the americans".
http://www.musicals101.com/News/astoriot.jpg

these next two are pictures from the port said football riot.
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/02/02/1226260/229216-egypt-soccer-riots.jpg

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/02/02/1226260/229243-egypt-soccer-riots.jpg

compare the deaths then to the ones going on now:

FEVER PITCH: 74 dead in violent soccer riots as fans rampage
AP
February 02, 2012 2:06PM


Egypt: 51 killed as clashes erupt, security forces crack down on protests
From Ian Lee. Reza Sayah and Sarah Sirgany, CNN
October 7, 2013 -- Updated 0637 GMT (1437 HKT)

Not exactly psychic, no, but still very disturbing and emotional.
Let's hope the death toll does not keep rising.

Egypt was a lovely place in the time of Rudyard Kipling.
And he said something like this:

"THEY WILL COME BACK, COME BACK; AS LONG AS THE RED EARTH ROLLS.
GOD NEVER WASTED A TREE NOR A LEAF; WHY WOULD HE SQUANDER SOULS?"

Have you ever heard of the Global Consciousness Project?

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/homepage4.html

[LahTera]

Hey Carmody, here is a hilarious coincidence (it was lollerific to me):

a small scary spider was rappelling down my bathroom mirror this morning.
I said "get back up there you are not supposed to be in here", expected him or her to keep descending toward the sink and bother me even more.

the damn spider walked back up its thread to the top of the mirror.

it was probably my coffee breath that scared him away, but LOL anyway, that was funny stuff.
Spiders are really smart btw, maybe he knew he was threatened.

Quite possible. When I was a little girl living in the woods, my grandma told me to never walk the path to the woodshed alone. I was only 4, and there were bears, badgers and wolverines out in those woods. Well, I was a curious tot and one day, I found myself walking down that path to the woodshed. (Grandma and Grandpa had some neat old things stored in that shed!)

Sure enough, there on the path, I came upon a black bear cub. He was so cute! And then came mama. I watched in amazement and awe as she stood up on her hind legs and looked down at me. I wasn't scared -- I was too ignorant to be scared. lol But I'll never forget the look in mama's eyes. Her eyes said, "Oh, it's just a silly human child." And she got back down on all fours and guided her cub away.

Now, if I had been afraid, I think I would have been attacked. Animals can sense fear emanating from other creatures. I believe this mama bear could sense my awe and curiousity and realized I was no threat. Perhaps your spider actually DID sense your intentions. Just like I believe many humans can also sense such things. It's my thought that this "empathy" may be a stepping stone to more psychic abilities, like telepathy.

One thing I've noticed: Emotion seems to drive such things, even precognitive abilities.

Just my 2 cents. ;)

[LahTera]

ok, fair enough.

but I still can't let you off the hook here, my friend;). please excuse my monkey nagging, but I must know (in spite of all you have written above)...why then did you cause the people to sit at the concert? why even make the claim to begin with? see what i'm saying? why do it then but not now???

and if there is indeed a copy of that vid floating around, i'd love to see it.

I've spoken on the subject directly and the circumstances, directly, on this forum, in some posts..somewhere.

But.. no names, no places, no dates, no locations, nothing. I even explained exactly how it was done. Rahkyt asked me about it and I explained the nuances of this particular form and method of projection and unfolding of effects. It was a complex act of knowing what can be done, what to do, and how to do it.

Showing people that mass mind manipulation can be done, even in the midst of extreme emotionalism (which is directing mind/body outcome in that moment) that is aimed elsewhere, is probably not the best thing to be illustrating.



in "some posts"? "somewhere"? boy you're slippery! ok, so let me get this straight: showing people that mass manipulation can be done is probably not the best thing to be illustrating...yet you claim to have already done it at least once, claim to have access to a video of it, claim it is a pretty easy thing to do...buuuut will not demonstrate it here again and will not reveal this mystery video because...well...*why* again?

see, this is where you lose me. I am not trying to be a pest or a debunker - truly - but I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight if I didn't ask these questions. I am not calling your integrity into question or calling you a fraud. nothing of the sort. i'm just a curious chap who would like to see a little follow-thru is all. I feel it is a perfectly reasonable stance, and yet I can't help but feel like the bad guy on these types of threads. a true enigma...

I don't know if it's against Avalon rules, but i'd like to personally (and I'd hope others would join in) pledge $50 to anyone who can prove an ability to affect objective reality in an incontrovertible way. I do like to joke around here quite a bit, but i'm deadly serious. i'm guessing we could put a nice pot of cash together. what say you, Avalon. who's in?

we often talk here of the general public or the average citizen as an individual who has their head in the sand, sometimes willingly, to avoid a reality they can't or won't deal with. so what do they do? they accept the current paradigm...or invent their own reality, their own illusions. but don't we do that here as well? are we any different? haven't we invented a sort of cozy, quasi-'lord of the rings' environment where we all feel safe to express ourselves, talk current events, and, if not make stuff up to make ourselves feel better or more important, then at least exaggerate a little? we've created a really fun reality where there are virtually no impossibilities...except when it comes to exploring those impossibilities practically, no one is willing to step up. it's almost like talking about sex day in and day out, but not getting any action. not only not getting any action, but also getting muddy, professorial reasons why that don't seem to add up in any way, shape or form. it's a tease, and I've got a throbbing set of spiritual blue-balls that are seeking a little satisfaction...if you'll excuse the metaphor.

so that's where i'm at. no disrespect to anybody at all - i'm not antagonizing. I extend my good will to each and every member here. this sort of stuff just really gets in my craw, is all.

I wish I could pick the time, place and make things happen, but for me, it's usually a personal experience and one that is happening for some reason unknown to me. Scientifically, I'd love to be able to find all the variables so it could be replicated. Spiritually, I can only believe that it happens for some higher reason.

[LahTera]

Chinaski, I want to thank you for your very sincere and eloquent questions, and I confess I am among those who have been struggling with an adequate way to assist you here. I know that you speak for many readers wanting to have their doubts resolved and to learn more about their own selves.

It does seem like a few videos should solve your problem, doesn’t it?

But we already know what happens when a YouTube of anything shows up online, don’t we?

“Fake…fake…CGI…charlatan….sh*t…” and all the rest, no matter what the substance of the issue in question. No one who wants to disbelieve is ever disappointed.

In fact, there are already dozens of videos and demonstrations on film of anomalous activities which are authentic. But even after decades of scholarly and accredited research, going back to Prof. J.B. Rhine at Duke University in the 1930’s and since – and evidence that the military etc use psychic skills for practical purposes - people still don’t get it. They still want some kind of “proof”.

That is, they want proof as it applies to them, personally. And that only comes from personal experience.

And that’s fair enough. You can’t be expected to truly understand something at the level of experience necessary here without the personal experience yourself. That’s just how it is.

Trying to “explain” or teach psychic reality by reading or watching a vid is like trying to explain the taste of, say, chocolate or cheese by handing you a cookbook and saying: It’s all right here, read it and you’ll understand. No, you won’t. All the cookbooks in the world are nothing compared to tasting a single mouthful of the chocolate or cheese, the real experience. And then you’ll know – you won’t need the cookbook any more.

Do you remember when you first learned how babies were made – and you thought: Eeeeew. Yuck? And then… adolescence hit. And so did romance. And experience made it all different, didn’t it?

Experience is the great teacher. It’s a slow route, but the only effective one: meditation, contemplation, yoga, self awareness, mindfulness, conscious living, the presence of the spirit. It’s called by many names; it’s all the same idea. Practice, practice, practice in whatever form suits you. And the meaningful answers to your questions will reveal themselves there.

I wish I had a better answer for you here, but I really don’t. I greatly appreciate your sincerity in asking, though.

All my best regards,

Selene

Ah, yes, J.B. Rhine! Read a lot about him as a kid trying to figure out what was happening to me. And Duke University, Edgar Cayce, Travis Walton ... lots more! And mind you, back in those days, videos meant more as there was no such thing as Photo Shop!

Thanks for the memories. ;)

[LahTera]

Perhaps I'm answering my own question and should get a copy of Paul Dong's book and put it under my pillow . . . . :)?

Talk about book under pillow, w1ndmill, this one excites me for many reasons. See why. For quick link, click here @ 24:27 (http://youtu.be/pEow50Lm1vU?t=24m27s).


The New Humans by Mary Rodwell
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Published on Dec 17, 2012

Mary Rodwell presented testimony from over 1600 cases she has collated that indicates how advanced extraterrestrial intelligences are preparing the human psyche to accept their presence on our planet. Evidence of complex extraterrestrial programs, which will enable us to interact with and communicate with them, as well as understand our place in the cosmos.

This involves downloads of data such as our true genetic origins, using our psi skills with advanced technology, manipulation of matter, astrophysics and healing. Coupled with genetic, and spiritual programs for awakening of human consciousness, to assist humanity to evolve into a fully functional multidimensional human, Homo Noetics. The New Humans.

Mary Rodwell presented "The New Humans" at the 2nd Annual British Exopolitics Expo on Sunday 8th August, 2010 at the University of Leeds.

I've had dreams like this. Have considered writing a story along these lines -- just for fun and to let my imagination run free. ;)

[Carmody]

Chinaski,
....You see, my friend , you don't believe. Therefore you have shut that opportunity down for yourself to experience. I understand it may be out of your comfort zone to believe........ To a sensitive person, the constant cries for proof can even feel like a psychic attack after a while. It is a waste of good energy, I honestly believe....... Sorry for being hard on you buddy, but with this stance you are hurting yourself as well as possibly others, in my humble opinion.

Subjecting these claims to genuine, honest inquiry shouldn't be a problem. Questioning, in a balanced and respectful way, should be a part of what we're all doing here.

Far from hurting, either himself, or anyone here with genuine ability, he's actually helping to shed light on something many of us are interested in.

The questions may even provoke first-hand experiencers to look at their own experiences in new ways- to go deeper into their understanding.

And you're right. There's no substitute for direct personal experience. But some people, including myself, are helped by listening to the stories of others, then drilling deeper by asking questions.

For some, it's a way of orienting oneself in the maze before starting out.

One has to understand it on the deepest levels, right through to the conscious levels. Otherwise, it will not work.

read Lynn McTaggart's 'The field'. she explains that the gift is inherent in everyone and everything. Ie, the representation and flow of reality, in it's component parts, the whole and the organized bits of it, that we might call humans, or their energy and integration with the whole energy pattern.

She explains how this exact problem came up in science, where one team of 'believers' or more correctly 'knowers' ('believers' is a derisive term used by those outside of the knowledge of it) did some very rigorous psychic experimentation. The experiments came out to a state of near perfection in proofing psychic capacity/phenomena.

Some 'non believers' tried the same test, done the same way., they found that the test did not come out positive, it came out negative.

Then, one of the scientists got an idea,and made sure to purposely gather non believers, or debunker type scientists into groups of testers and those who understand it, or believe in it, they were also grouped into testers. ie, multiple groups of each type. Then they added in an extra twist. An Ambivalent (meh!) group.

Results of this meta test regimen, where all groups did the SAME tests that they all agreed on as being 100% conclusive to their limit to discern and argue a given point:

The various groups of debunkers, they received negative results, meaning, no psychic sensitivity of any kind, as a proven point in fact.

The various groups of believers, they received positive results, meaning they found perfect psychic sensitivity as proven point in fact.

The various groups of 'meh', ambivalent (don't care one way or another), they received ambivalent, or inconclusive results.

The result of the meta test seems to be clearly showing that the PEOPLE are the key operating point here. That it is indeed a consensus reality which all have an effect upon and within. You are what you project yourself to be.


These are not ambiguous results.

These are not insignificant results.

Now.... Curtis and mostly Chinaski, I do believe that we have had this exact conversation Before.

Now, where is your memory of those moments... and why are we going down this exact same road again, when this has all been covered before???????

Do you suffer from a mental block on this subject? the data seems to indicate so. one you cannot get by, as we have covered this subject before?

I have told you clearly where to go and get the data and how to investigate this subject for yourself.

Deal with it, look at it, find it, find the block in yourself. It's not me guys........ it's YOU.

The science ---is clear.

The phenomena (or anything like it or of it's type)...and the reality of the universe that underlies it... has been abundantly proven thousands of times. It does indeed clearly illustrate that it is the PEOPLE that are the problem and the solution, that it lies in the hands of the reality formation aspects of the INDIVIDUAL, in a space of consensus reality.

As for the given posts, someone DID find them and we DID have a pm or two on the subject and we shared some bits of conversation on the topic and the nuances of what was done, how it was done, the methods, the why, etc. As I stated earlier, one does not simply throw that kind of data on the street, for everyone to play with. since you don't know how this works, or what it means, you're more than a bit in the dark on the ramifications.You have to truly go to the point of understanding it yourself, it cannot be externally forced, it's your own trip- not mine. it's not a cop out, it's a reality formation aspect.

The universe and reality formation expects the individual to get off their ass and get sh*t done, on their own. Ie, the universe cares not one flying fornication what you expect or feel, in any negative projections, no matter how soft they may be seen as. That... if you can't be bothered to integrate it into the self on the deepest levels and seek it on the deepest levels, then... you'll not get it. Ever.

It will remain a major suck to be you, until you turn it around inside of yourself. Until then, the universe could not give a good god damn what you do, but it won't be that, will it? (going clear and accepting it and turning the corner in the ego self)

Some deep part of yourself will have to 'give it up', and just let it go and find the way through the block that is inside. Until then...nothing. As that's the way it works, for all the right reasons.

Think it through. It's that way...for all the right reasons. Arguing the subject does not amount to a single fly covered pile of crap. It's meaningless. The problem is the projection of self, as reality, into the energies that form reality.

And that's about all she wrote.

[onawah]

I think that one doesn't necessarily have to be an exceptional person to have psychic abilities, or spiritual experiences, which are even better.
I've had both, but in my experience, I had to work for them.
I had to clean up my act.
Phasing out addictions, cleansing, sticking to a good diet and getting adequate exercise, finding the best possible environments and best people to hang out with, seeking out the best teachers, studying and practicing meditation, yoga, prayer, etc., and most of all, facing myself and reality as honestly as I possibly can.
I still slip and slide a lot, but there's a central core that I've developed that's devoted to finding the most direct experience of truth, and to de-programming myself from cultural conditioning.
Though I try not to be fanatical about it...:shocked:
And to keep a sense of humor...:jester:
Sometimes I think the highest experiences can come about, paradoxically, from a simple willingness to fully experience and process the lowest points that I have no doubt karmically created for myself. no matter how much I would simply like to block them out or numb myself down.
That's how we often come to appreciate and be grateful for the things that we ordinarily take for granted.
Being in that attitude of gratefulness opens us up to our highest potential, and unblocks the limitations we put on ourselves, allowing for new experiences that provide growth potential to manifest.

[Carmody]

Everyone's path is different, everyone gets a different dose of how to deal with it and how to grow with it.

Or to walk away from it, whatever the case may be.

My prior post seems a bit harsh, and I might clean it up a bit. I have no nasty thoughts, or a furrowed brow/finger pointed at chinaski or Curtisw or anyone else who may not be getting this.

My mode of expression is not about being in a not caring state, but that the more inert energies involved are directed by beings of energy who protrude into this protruding space. Ie, the people and the energies that form this reality are from similar stock. The raw energies, are not of consciousness (as we recognize it), but the people are. Thus the energies do not care, one way or another. It is a flowing energy, that is responsive to manipulation, responsive to changes in flow.

Since we are made up of such 'dimensional protrusion matter forming energies' ourselves, we can also have a say in such flow. In the same way that a 'organized grouped pattern of dimensional protrusion' (me or you) may pick up a rock or object (dimensional protrusion that is organized in a way we call inert), an object's energies that are formed by geometric and vibrational baseline norms (atomic lattice), but 'inert' on the 'person' level. (person as a doorway, something far more organizationally complex)

It's a case of not wanting to engage the limits in people, limits that may form into rejection and mental blocking in the given self..combined with a need to self protect from those who may live/be that reaction/action 'set', in mental construction.

It's a case of trying to form a balance point of explaining the self, to those who probably do not have the mental patterns within themselves (yet) to understand where I'm coming from, what I'm trying to say.

How does one not live within crushing limits at the same time they do not engage the attack function that hides (at some level and condition) within all of us who may be incarnated?

It is similar to the case of the rich person who is second-third-fourth-fifth generation money, they feel like all they are and all they may be ....is threatened into death and a downward spiral.. if ...the average person in the street tries to claim their stolen and accumulated energies - back from the rich person. The rich person feels they must tear down the street level being who is simply trying to regain stolen ground, as the person in the street is dying from the unbalance and destitution that is caused partially (cumulatively) by the man who lives the life of elitist privilege. There is no realization in the person who is elitist that they live via death and killing, in their accumulation.

In a similar way, the person who has no experience in this subject area feels deeply threatened by the awakening of others, whether that 'credulity' aspect of disbelief and not understanding, is deserved or not.

Basically, those who do not understand this subject area of the thread's intent, they will reject, or dismiss, or whatnot.

BUT..if they go into attack mode, it can be nothing else but an aspect of their own self created parameters of being.

And, if those parameters of being create a logic and action path that interferes with my attempts to 'be' (by my own knowledge and experience are not just harmless but enlightening), then I will have to formulate a response that is appropriate to the thrust.

The subject area is guaranteed to create an impasse in some, a limit they may have in the self. A limit that will externalize, that they will engage others with... as a projection of self in order to gain a comfortable reflection that maintains the self's egoic parameters. Tilting at this particular windmill. It is entirely understandable and is part of the human condition.

To balance this exploration of being with all areas of potential in the group of humans who are incarnating at this time. To go forward, inch by inch, with as little damage as possible, but to still move forward.

To whit; to not spend the next six months explaining myself, again...

Basically, I respect everyone's personal level of not understanding this area of being but I will not allow that position to be projected upon me as a limiting factor. The end.

[Mike]

Carmody, we certainly have had this conversation before. and we may be having it 6 months from now!:) it's because you either outright avoid answering the questions I've asked, or you answer them in a very circuitous, convoluted way. to argue that this is somehow due to my lack of understanding is backwards and very obtuse. it's a classic way of wriggling out of your responsibility as the other half of this conversation.

and i'm not attacking you. this, I often find, is another way deflecting questions or genuine inquiries: playing the victim. where have I attacked you? I've asked you very reasonable questions, and in a very respectable way.

i'm not threatened by others awakening at all; I encourage it! as I said, I am *not* a debunker. I haven't accused anyone of credulousness; in fact, ive said over and over that I *do* believe people are having these experiences. but the ones you report stand out for obvious reasons, and ive asked you questions and taken you to task for it for equally obvious reasons.

I agree with you - the science is indeed clear. but if I want science i'll go read a book, or read long, ponderous articles on the net. in you I have someone I can speak to, in real time, and ask genuine questions of and hopefully get genuine answers back. because you've had some amazing experiences, not by chance, but ones you have claimed to have made occur on your own. look, it's exciting for me! you must understand: I've heard many, many people claim outrageous talents throughout my life...and basically every one of those claims has been empty. why is it then that when a genuinely curious individual asks an allegedly hyper-metaphysically talented individual for a demonstration of these talents, he is always condescended to ("you are not ready" " you are not spiritually mature" etc) or made out to be an "attacker" or a "debunker"?

and I want to clear something up: I am *not* a disbeliever. this is another strawman accusation. now, nor am I necessarily what you'd call a believer. my ass is sitting firmly on the fence, you see. asking me to believe some of the things you claim to have done without the slightest shred of evidence would require the religious fervor of a fundamentalist. and I am not a man of "faith". I do not consider a mindless belief in something, completely lacking in sound reason, a virtue. unless, of course, I have a reason to. and that's all i'm saying to you, my friend: give me a reason. give me something! anything! this has nothing to do with me and my ability or lack thereof, or of my spiritual journey, or of my beliefs or disbeliefs; I have made no claims of psychic or telekinetic ability -- you have, my friend...and i'd love to see it!

I am not regarding you with a furrowed brow either brother. look, as ive already said: I *like* reading your stuff! i'm glad you're around! this isn't a malevolent attack! I can't say that enough. stop making it one, ok!?! it's not an accurate assessment, and you know that.

p.s. heretogrow, I'm sorry ive upset you!!! please pm me if you have any questions or concerns, ok?;)

[AuCo]

This is not really exceptional to most but kinda interesting for me. And this is my ego-self talking if it feels like I have some influence to the events.

We moved to a new place. The lawn was devoid of vegetation. Re-sod too expensive, had money to reseed (for 1 acre), no money for broken sprinkler system. Must time seeding with weather pattern. Missed first chance of 2 days-in-a-row Spring shower - dang! Would rain again next Monday. Seed down over the weekend, hoped for rain. And boy! Did it rain. It don't remember it ever rained so much in Spring. Someone said it rained everyday but 3 out of May this year. The farmers were way behind and had to switch from corn to soy. The weather loved me, I thought. The neighbor said I picked the right year to plant grass. I must have.

June 15, Would take the kids to Disney World. Checked weather forecast, 10-20% chance every other day for the whole week. Heh! not bad but couldn't be so sure so asked the nephew to come and use the 2 hose sprinklers if it would not rain 2 days in a row.

Tuesday, nephew called to know how to water the lawn. He said it hadn't rained for 2 days and might rain in a couple of days. What? no rain for 4 days? My grass would all die. My mind could almost see the dying grass in the summer heat and I imagined there would be rain and thunder and light all coming down like crazy. Well! Must get on with the fun at the parks with the kids.

The park was fun, but the wait for the popular rides were horrible. By noon, one said 110 minutes wait. Skipped. To another. 90 minutes wait. Well no choice. Got into the line. After about 1/2 hours I realized it was a big mistake. The kids were hungry and they started to look depressed. I wished all these people would just disperse so we could get on with the ride and then go get some lunch. Not even 5 minutes, people started to leave and they left fast. What the? Oh! the ride was declared down for repair. What the hec! Must eat anyway. We went to grasp some foods. Came back. Still 90 minutes wait but no people. We went in to check out anyway. The ride was on and hardly 10 or so riders. Yippee! We even went for second and third round. We decided to check the 110 minute wait ride earlier. Oh I wished it would just be like that. No wait was such a treat.

We came up to the ride. No line! Huh? Oh the ride was down the attendant said. As we turned to walk away. He said the ride is now back on. We were first in line. For real?

Thursday, the renter called if my insurance would cover her car that got crushed by the tree. What? And btw, the tree got part of the house too. What the? Yes we had a horrible storm, she said. Huh? Called my sister. There was so much rain, she said, the streets were like rivers.

Came back on Sunday. Fallen trees were everywhere. It was worse than the one tornado that fell on North Minneapolis a couple years earlier. It took the city of Minneapolis a whole month to remove them all. The neighbor said his basement got flooded for the first time in 10 years he was there. Whoa! did I imagine that, I thought! Quite a coincidence though :o

[Calz]

One has to understand it on the deepest levels, right through to the conscious levels. Otherwise, it will not work.

read Lynn McTaggart's 'The field'. she explains that the gift is inherent in everyone and everything. Ie, the representation and flow of reality, in it's component parts, the whole and the organized bits of it, that we might call humans, or their energy and integration with the whole energy pattern.

She explains how this exact problem came up in science, where one team of 'believers' or more correctly 'knowers' ('believers' is a derisive term used by those outside of the knowledge of it) did some very rigorous psychic experimentation. The experiments came out to a state of near perfection in proofing psychic capacity/phenomena.



:gaah:

I was cleaning out my office and pitching many books.

I held off on one and it was left about two feet away in plain sight.

Bought a few years ago but never took the time to read.


Carmody ... won't ask for proof of sitting down 40 people or so ... but dammit ... you have convinced me (yet again).

[onawah]

The following clip from a Bashar talk may have some relevance to Chinaski's question, in that Bashar says there are rules governing the use of psychic abilities.
What one might gather from this premise is that a person with abilities, when asked to demonstrate them, may have to adhere to these rules so that a demonstration might not ensue, not because he doesn't have the ability, but because the situation is actually calling for a different response to the request.

There are many stories in various spiritual traditions about "masters" who, when asked to demonstrate their powers, simply refuse.
Not because they cannot perform, for in other circumstances, their powers are very evident.
Perhaps this is because what Carmody describes as "inert energies" are created in such a situation which would preclude such a demonstration, and/or possibly the refusal from the "master" is made on spiritual principle.
Whereas, when energies are flowing, such demonstrations will just naturally occur and the observers will benefit from them.
Whereas demonstrating upon demand might actually cause some harm, or the result could be a misunderstanding on the part of the observers of the nature and purpose of psychic abilities.
A true demonstration of power is not the same thing as a magician's trick.
The alchemy involved is much more complex.

Of course, the immediate argument that comes to mind is that to follow the course of least resistance would seem to indicate that a demonstration of powers would be the answer.
But that doesn't take all the factors into account that can be present in such a scenario, which could include the time, the place, the personalities involved and other factors not easily recognized.
In the case of asking a "master" such a question, traditionally, it would be considered a sign of disrespect and ignorance.
If one was truly sincere in one's motives, then one would simply take the time and trouble to be in the masters' presence frequently enough so that one was present when a natural demonstration would occur in the flow of events.
We have no such traditions here on Avalon, but the reasons for such traditions may be more universally applicable than would probably be obvious to an inexperienced initiate.

Vr2UazhmP2M

[RunningDeer]

Here and now. http://www.pic4ever.com/images/tnp.gif

The trouble with thanking posts is that some parts I agree with, or appreciate the insight, or the effort put forth, or in support of, or, or, or...
The other part is that some of it, I'm not in agreement with. Sigh... :moil:

In the scheme of life...if that's one of the few problems I've got, then thank you all for that reminder.

With love,
Paulahttp://www.pic4ever.com/images/2lbkos0.gif

[greybeard]

The challenge is that it is human nature to claim to be special---or to put others on a pedestal.
Jesus gave a big hint---"Of myself I do nothing--It is the Father within"
Ramesh Balsekar said that the big obstacle to spiritual progress is the thought that "I am the doer"

So one can truthfully say that "I am the leading expert on x" years of experience and probably hard work validates that statement.
Psychic abilities are a gift as is healing energy---- ask any genuine healer and they will say that they cant heal every one and that the energy flows through them.
Jesus "healed" many yet he did not claim to heal.

It would seem that when people claim they have special powers and abilities the power diminishes and eventually the "gift" leaves.
After this the healer can become a conman after all they have a reputation to uphold.

Chris

[RunningDeer]

I just returned from a walk in the forest.

I asked Tree for strength.
Tree said I already had it. I needed connection.
So we connected.

The Trees were louder walking out than walking in.

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[Delight]

It would seem that when people claim they have special powers and abilities the power diminishes and eventually the "gift" leaves.
After this the healer can become a conman after all they have a reputation to uphold.
Chris

For the best part, when a 70 pound woman needs to pick up the front of a truck, she will. That has been well documented...the incredible increase of strength. It is power.
It is for the most part only able to show up when the need is present for it to happen. That need comes from intention. The intention seems intrinsically interconnected with love...the power of love.

When I resort to a con, it disconnects me with authentic self that can be connected to love. It pulls me off center and into false pretense. The system gets incoherent.

But even the most disconnected person can be in a crisis and suddenly the love of Universe impinges. Then the person will never forget that love, hopefully and seek the mystery of where she came from behind the veils of of our masks. Then that one will possibly realize...I can put down the mask?

Being a conman is what we can give up along with the need to produce proof that leads to cons out of desperation...
Yes, I believe the desperation factor is at play when we have been untrue to self and we cannot allign with the miracles.
It need an intervention! Where are the angels of mercy? All around waiting to be invited?

Desperation at the lowest point calls miracles in itself! Think of all the redemption myths. So even the worst place of alienation from the POWER has angels.
And the conman is saved by the subtle miracle of feeling the Presence of not needing anything now. This is the miracle!

When the world of lies falls down around our head as it does when one goes into the madness of self deception, It's all for a good cause...the real time miracle of the power needing no proof..

[Sierra]

Carmody, we certainly have had this conversation before. and we may be having it 6 months from now!:) it's because you either outright avoid answering the questions I've asked, or you answer them in a very circuitous, convoluted way. to argue that this is somehow due to my lack of understanding is backwards and very obtuse. it's a classic way of wriggling out of your responsibility as the other half of this conversation.

Oh how weird Chinaski... I thought he answered extremely bluntly, that a) if you are not there, then you are not there, b) one's mental state (open mind) is paramount, and c) Do No Harm is more important than satisfying curiousity.

If ... what I think is true, *is* true, then we will all very shortly be in the same boat as AuCo, going did I, didn't I, did I, didn't I??? And yes, you did AuCo. :) Congratulations on your lawn... and perhaps a little safety hedging around a future request lol...

Chinaski, I feel you can go two ways here, continue to doubt, question, and still be in doubt and questioning six months from now OR... accept for the sake of testing and then test...

A good experiment is to ask what you already know. Ask, "How would it be if I blah blah blah ... " and does your body sway forward in consent or does your body contract in dissent? I have found (for ME), it is through the physicality or the emotions that this information comes though, not the mind.

Jimini also has good advice as to inner attitude when doing something, with confidence, belief, and lightheartedly letting go after the request so it can execute, (to say that you are finished defining the request).

As well, if I seek to affect others, I make a practice of ALWAYS working through my HIGH self, asking my High Self to speak to the High Self of another, and I also ALWAYS ask my High Self to modify the request as needed, to Do No Harm to others. I hedge myself with those I consider my do_no_harm_buffers as my power sources to a request (And don't be shy about bringing in the big guns, Jesus, Buddha etc. whoever you trust, that is why they are here). By the time I am done, it is very clear I am not responsible for action taken, just that in some way, I considered, action was needed.

If you question why Carmody sat people down (Well why not? If you have 40 rows of people blocking everyone above, then if everyone sits down, everyone can see. So I see nothing wrong with the request in itself.), will you also question AuCo why did he do something that resulted in flooded basements, damaged houses and cars ... what was his motivation to do so? Perhaps there was no motivation, simply a casual thought or diligent thought. Perhaps in sharing an experience, the motivation of Avaloners is to show how to move the energy to flow. Perhaps we are beginners in this, because the time is now, to BE beginners, that Gaia NEEDS us now, to be co-creators.

Have ears to hear Chinaski. :) It is the strangest things in my case, that something inside me has latched onto, as Eureka!!!

I truly think, that one's state of mind, is the first gate that either holds closed or opens all else.

I love you Chinaski, OK, that is enough time for me to spend on this, see you around dear heart.

Love, Sierra

P.S. Chinaski, I've been doing useless crap uselessly on the GMO stuff, and felt really guilty. I FINALLY figured out I don't do so good working with earth, so I switched to water to soften, cleanse, soothe, heal the poor GMO seeds, and then I ask them to go back to the way they were, so they will be more comfortable... I say this to say that all of us need to find a filter, a paradigm, a way of working, that is comfortable, and FLOWS lol. Someone else might be more comfortable working with sunshine (fire) to heal... OK, I'll quit blabbing now.

[Curt]

Hi Carmody,

Thanks for the book recommendation. I'll put it on my list.

Just want to correct a few things you got wrong about my position.

1.) I am not a debunker.

2.) I am not a 'non-believer', but someone who has had his own experiences.

3.) I understand the science behind your explanation.

4.) I have had no one-to-one conversations with you on this thread topic.

5.) I wasn't asking you for any answers. In fact, I wasn't addressing you at all.

6.) I'm 100% satified with your stance that you needn't bother addressing questions you don't care to. And further, I respect your reasons.

7.) I was, and am, merely putting forward my opinion that a member of this forum should feel 100% within their right to ask whatever intelligent, non-belligerent questions they wish- about this or any other topic under the sun.

I just want to clarify this so you, and anyone else reading, can better understand where I'm coming from.






Chinaski,
....You see, my friend , you don't believe. Therefore you have shut that opportunity down for yourself to experience. I understand it may be out of your comfort zone to believe........ To a sensitive person, the constant cries for proof can even feel like a psychic attack after a while. It is a waste of good energy, I honestly believe....... Sorry for being hard on you buddy, but with this stance you are hurting yourself as well as possibly others, in my humble opinion.

Subjecting these claims to genuine, honest inquiry shouldn't be a problem. Questioning, in a balanced and respectful way, should be a part of what we're all doing here.

Far from hurting, either himself, or anyone here with genuine ability, he's actually helping to shed light on something many of us are interested in.

The questions may even provoke first-hand experiencers to look at their own experiences in new ways- to go deeper into their understanding.

And you're right. There's no substitute for direct personal experience. But some people, including myself, are helped by listening to the stories of others, then drilling deeper by asking questions.

For some, it's a way of orienting oneself in the maze before starting out.

One has to understand it on the deepest levels, right through to the conscious levels. Otherwise, it will not work.

read Lynn McTaggart's 'The field'. she explains that the gift is inherent in everyone and everything. Ie, the representation and flow of reality, in it's component parts, the whole and the organized bits of it, that we might call humans, or their energy and integration with the whole energy pattern.

She explains how this exact problem came up in science, where one team of 'believers' or more correctly 'knowers' ('believers' is a derisive term used by those outside of the knowledge of it) did some very rigorous psychic experimentation. The experiments came out to a state of near perfection in proofing psychic capacity/phenomena.

Some 'non believers' tried the same test, done the same way., they found that the test did not come out positive, it came out negative.

Then, one of the scientists got an idea,and made sure to purposely gather non believers, or debunker type scientists into groups of testers and those who understand it, or believe in it, they were also grouped into testers. ie, multiple groups of each type. Then they added in an extra twist. An Ambivalent (meh!) group.

Results of this meta test regimen, where all groups did the SAME tests that they all agreed on as being 100% conclusive to their limit to discern and argue a given point:

The various groups of debunkers, they received negative results, meaning, no psychic sensitivity of any kind, as a proven point in fact.

The various groups of believers, they received positive results, meaning they found perfect psychic sensitivity as proven point in fact.

The various groups of 'meh', ambivalent (don't care one way or another), they received ambivalent, or inconclusive results.

The result of the meta test seems to be clearly showing that the PEOPLE are the key operating point here. That it is indeed a consensus reality which all have an effect upon and within. You are what you project yourself to be.


These are not ambiguous results.

These are not insignificant results.

Now.... Curtis and mostly Chinaski, I do believe that we have had this exact conversation Before.

Now, where is your memory of those moments... and why are we going down this exact same road again, when this has all been covered before???????

Do you suffer from a mental block on this subject? the data seems to indicate so. one you cannot get by, as we have covered this subject before?

I have told you clearly where to go and get the data and how to investigate this subject for yourself.

Deal with it, look at it, find it, find the block in yourself. It's not me guys........ it's YOU.

The science ---is clear.

The phenomena (or anything like it or of it's type)...and the reality of the universe that underlies it... has been abundantly proven thousands of times. It does indeed clearly illustrate that it is the PEOPLE that are the problem and the solution, that it lies in the hands of the reality formation aspects of the INDIVIDUAL, in a space of consensus reality.

As for the given posts, someone DID find them and we DID have a pm or two on the subject and we shared some bits of conversation on the topic and the nuances of what was done, how it was done, the methods, the why, etc. As I stated earlier, one does not simply throw that kind of data on the street, for everyone to play with. since you don't know how this works, or what it means, you're more than a bit in the dark on the ramifications.You have to truly go to the point of understanding it yourself, it cannot be externally forced, it's your own trip- not mine. it's not a cop out, it's a reality formation aspect.

The universe and reality formation expects the individual to get off their ass and get sh*t done, on their own. Ie, the universe cares not one flying fornication what you expect or feel, in any negative projections, no matter how soft they may be seen as. That... if you can't be bothered to integrate it into the self on the deepest levels and seek it on the deepest levels, then... you'll not get it. Ever.

It will remain a major suck to be you, until you turn it around inside of yourself. Until then, the universe could not give a good god damn what you do, but it won't be that, will it? (going clear and accepting it and turning the corner in the ego self)

Some deep part of yourself will have to 'give it up', and just let it go and find the way through the block that is inside. Until then...nothing. As that's the way it works, for all the right reasons.

Think it through. It's that way...for all the right reasons. Arguing the subject does not amount to a single fly covered pile of crap. It's meaningless. The problem is the projection of self, as reality, into the energies that form reality.

And that's about all she wrote.

[Mike]

why I love you too Sierra:hug: it always feels good to be loved!

I really appreciate your reply. I am actually in the process of learning to astral project, so hopefully i'll have my own personal experiences to report here sometime soon (and if i'm fighting off some persistent member demanding proof of my experiences, so be it. we'll call it karma;))

however, I do not consider "if you are not there, then you are not there" a blunt response. truthfully, I don't know what I consider it. it's just kind of useless statement to me...dangling in the tournefortia. I mean, of course I wasn't there! so why not do it again? that's a question I haven't gotten a direct answer to, except to say that it may be harmful or something...to which I asked: ok, if it was harmful, why do it then? why then and not now? predictably, I have not received a response...or at least not one that makes sense.

as far as one's mental state being paramount...what exactly do you mean by that? because i'm not talking about *my* ability to do something, i'm talking about someone else's. I mean, if I was there when Carmody made all these people sit down, are you suggesting I might have missed it somehow because of some deficiency in psychic ability myself? if that's what you mean, ok, fine, I take no offense! truly! but if i'm there, and he affects 3D reality in this way, I don't see how I miss it if i'm looking...whether i'm brilliant, a subnormal, the Buddha, or the fool on the hill. this is another question that tends to get danced around.

I've asked him about the alleged video of the event I think 3 times now. is it accessible? no answer.

I just want some basic yes' or no's! simple answers to simple questions! you see?:) all this gobbledygook is totally unnecessary.

actually, I don't even want the answers anymore. i'm tired of all this, ha!;) here's the deal: when you've lived the type of life I have, cozy talk of psychic ability around the campfire means squat. less than squat. I need to see it done. and if we did the math, I believe we'd be on excuse number 1,000,000 as to why it cannot be performed. not even once. it is so tiresome.

i appreciate you taking the time to reply Sierra! LOts of love to you!:)

[Roisin]

I guess it's just me and my own background in this area but I rarely talk about those things I can "do" on a regular basis unless I can show proof of it. If I can't do that then I don't bother talking about it.

For example, I'm not going to say that I can bend spoons with my mind unless I can show that.

However, if I actually DID bend a spoon one time in the past, I might talk about that but I don't expect anyone to believe me and all I'm doing is sharing a personal experience I had and am not making any claims that I can bend spoons on a regular basis and that it's an exceptional ability of mine. All I'm doing is just telling you a personal experience I once had and leaving it at that.:p

[Carmody]

We're in the gauntlet of this particular discourse and understanding -on a public stage, where disbelief and belief, understanding and 'different understanding', wrestle with one another. it goes back to the Buddhist thing of letting the person come to them, and if they ask, and dedicate themselves, then the person will allow themselves to begin their own process of understanding, in that Buddhist environment. If one takes the statement of the Lynn McTaggart report on the tests of psychic sensitivity as a given (face value), for the sake of hypothesis (developing an investigation source point and then expand it), then it can be seen as to the why of the situation.

It also comes down to intellectual prowess and reach of ideas, and directions that can be held in the given individual mind, and any potential barriers in understanding, like emotional projection and attachment in one's bodily driven idealizations. Intellect is built on the body's basics, thus it is affected by mind and mindset, in it's reach and potential for rumination.

It's Godel's incompleteness theorem (problem more complex/bigger than the mind considering it), as a consideration in psychological reach, and we hit this barrier time and time again, on this forum. Each individual will probably have to exceed their personal limits on credulity of source point in reality formation, in order to even begin the process of investigating this stuff.

To confront, intellectually, that consciousness of intellect and mind is somewhat equivalent to a small monkey riding the back of a large elephant of unconsciousness. that the monkey of intellect (internal and sound voice of the individual) is not in control but is a junior partner, due to egoic orientation in that particular mental program of communication integration as a software system.

That the intellect component of the person who is attempting to judge what is being said here, in this thread, is actually just a interpretative control program/software that is initially formed and built in childhood... that the real intellect that runs that waking program, is what is really in charge.

That the public and internal face of the self is software thinking it is in control, when it fact, it is not. and THAT program, which is integrating with the deeper self and the rest of the world's avatar programs, to create and hold this consensus reality, that program is blocking the deeper self from coming forward and thinking clearly. The secondary problem is that this conscious program, is tied to the body's deepest mechanisms, it's deepest safeties, shunts, and manipulation aspects, via 'emotions'. The coloration and corruption of intellect by survival programming intruding into consciousness formation/flow filtering.

I could go on for days here, but the point is that the individual's intellect as a program and filter controlled by emotions and the fear of the body thinking it will 'lose all', is what takes control of intellectual thought formation and flow, and blocks people from finding these things out. The thoughts are shifted, or they never form. people get into a literal and internal war with the self and body... fighting one another and this comes out in the form of projected psychosis, that is felt to the core of the given potential for life itself, in the given avatar's internal programming.

Again, to ask me to produce something that the 'self in the other' rejects as a reality, even though they say otherwise. A reality that shifts and changes, according to the people involved in it. As in literally asking for the proving of a negative that is projected to be a negative.... and thus formed as a negative by the projecting being, thus disallowing the formation of the given thing.

The entire process, can hopefully be seen as an an internal reflection and reality issue that is tied to the given self that is involved.

That I can prove nothing to the individual who may demand proof, that the person demanding has to understand the reality and make the attempt, on their own. Then, if their depth of consideration is honest enough, and deep enough and encompassing enough, that they can also 'get there'.

It's not a cop out, it is how reality on the fundamental, works.

That the individual is ****ed, until they internally break the hold of mind on expression, and come clean... into the different understanding, on their own.

It cannot be objectified, as the problem is internal and within the given individual. (Not unrelated to the issue of influence of quantum to the gross mass -how quantum relations are different than mass Newtonian/Einsteinian relationships) Once it is truly understood by the individual, then a group who do understand it, can gather and objectify through/by/with it. In the same way the non-understanding groups can and do collectively objectify their grouped and individual position, even thought they do not understand what they hell they are on about, at all..

It can be likened to a problem of not being able to murder your way to peace. The method (origin point of attempt) and the objective are not unrelated, but are almost wholly incompatible with each other. That the baseline mental methodology is incorrect for the subject at hand.

So, Chinaski, the simple way past this is to leave you as you are, and let you make your own way to dealing with this, in any way you may, and simply reply to your last post with:

"It doesn't work that way"

As I'm not the problem, in this. You are. As all these belief and similar teachings have always said, for some of them, up to 4-5-6 thousand or more years. Even cutting edge science says I'm exactly right as all those teachings for these past thousands of years have been saying.

I've said all of this in various ways over and over again over in about, what, nearly 8000 posts now. Simply put, as they says on teh interwebs..."you're doin' it wrong".

Only you can deal with your own projected and formed reality, I'll not spend my energy being your internally projected and thus dancing/puppeteered whipping boy.

[Flash]

My appreciation of you Carmody was already top, i did not know it could get one notch more, but it did.

Ulli, my true appreciation too for everything you bring in this forum and in life.

Thank you Sierra for holding your ground too. And Eram, compadre of studies, I am happy you are here.

Love to all, I am happy to be starting to get it.

[LahTera]

why I love you too Sierra:hug: it always feels good to be loved!

I really appreciate your reply. I am actually in the process of learning to astral project, so hopefully i'll have my own personal experiences to report here sometime soon (and if i'm fighting off some persistent member demanding proof of my experiences, so be it. we'll call it karma;))

however, I do not consider "if you are not there, then you are not there" a blunt response. truthfully, I don't know what I consider it. it's just kind of useless statement to me...dangling in the tournefortia. I mean, of course I wasn't there! so why not do it again? that's a question I haven't gotten a direct answer to, except to say that it may be harmful or something...to which I asked: ok, if it was harmful, why do it then? why then and not now? predictably, I have not received a response...or at least not one that makes sense.

as far as one's mental state being paramount...what exactly do you mean by that? because i'm not talking about *my* ability to do something, i'm talking about someone else's. I mean, if I was there when Carmody made all these people sit down, are you suggesting I might have missed it somehow because of some deficiency in psychic ability myself? if that's what you mean, ok, fine, I take no offense! truly! but if i'm there, and he affects 3D reality in this way, I don't see how I miss it if i'm looking...whether i'm brilliant, a subnormal, the Buddha, or the fool on the hill. this is another question that tends to get danced around.

I've asked him about the alleged video of the event I think 3 times now. is it accessible? no answer.

I just want some basic yes' or no's! simple answers to simple questions! you see?:) all this gobbledygook is totally unnecessary.

actually, I don't even want the answers anymore. i'm tired of all this, ha!;) here's the deal: when you've lived the type of life I have, cozy talk of psychic ability around the campfire means squat. less than squat. I need to see it done. and if we did the math, I believe we'd be on excuse number 1,000,000 as to why it cannot be performed. not even once. it is so tiresome.

i appreciate you taking the time to reply Sierra! LOts of love to you!:)

I can understand this ... when I started studying this, I was avidly reading books about the topics and doing my own experiments, etc. Of course, at the time, I was living with some kind of entity (and to this day, I still can't tell you if it was a ghost, demon, UFO, or something else!). So my experiments were never really missing this element because he was always there, and frankly, doing the experiments seemed to calm him down to the point where he got more interested in the attention the experiments were giving him than he was in terrorizing us kids. (Although, you should've seen my brother run and hide whenever he saw me starting an experiment -- poor kid.)

I went so far as to become a Sysop on the GO UFO Forum on Compuserve (back in the day before we had Graphic User Interface aka GUI). And it was always the same sort of thing: People making claims, skeptics trying to debunk, and no one getting real, hard proof or managing to duplicate things (for the most part).

Then I had my supernova dream and it not only occurred, but made me think a lot more about astronomy and neutrinos, which led me to physics. So I've started paying more attention to those topics and only recently became a member here again. I'd love to see the math for this, too, but I am not going to hold my breath.

I think we're at a point, though, where we might just start seeing the groundwork in physics for such things. I mean, after all, who would have thought 20 years ago that we could actually teleport information via quantum physics?

I think one reason the math is hard to get is because of the emotions involved. Give me an equation for love or despair and maybe we can answer your question to your satisfaction?

Just some thoughts!

[ulli]

The moment someone obliges me to respond I become rather rebellious.
Funny, that, how that works.
I have major issues with people who feel entitled.
I don't know how to humor someone, especially when they plead.
And if they throw words like 'slippery' at me I will become pretty unforgiving.

So, Carmody, please accept this medal from me,
for being such an incredible example of patience and restraint.

[RunningDeer]

Station break.....

I’ve never learned the art of ‘keep it going’. The net gain gets cancelled by the net loss. In the end, both are painful.

In my power bag, I carry two worn out options, I walk or I go into jokester mode. (Got some others, but I hold them for the really critical situations.)

Today, I’ll let Tim Hawkins be the jokester.


The Government Can
ok3YcCVVfBU

:focus:

Love,
Pauler :wave:

[RunningDeer]

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Notices/526792_10150639958323176_1684676120_n.JPG

[onawah]

I'm sure everyone has seen a fictional portrayal of a seance in a movie where the psychic says she is unable to contact the spirits because there is an unbeliever or skeptic present.
Often, this is just the conditioned cue for the audience to understand the psychic is a phony.
But in other cases, the psychic is gifted and there really is an unbeliever in the circle whose energies are messing with the coherency of frequency that is necessary to bridge dimensions and make a real connection.
In other words, everyone has to be on the same page.

That is surely an oversimplification, but I think it still applies.
The psychic may be strong and determined enough, or the circle may be strong enough to override the energies of the unbeliever or skeptic, but that may not create the safest or most optimal environment for everyone.

In the case of someone like Chinaski, who claims to be neutral, the best solution is probably the one he is already applying, which is to try becoming an "experiencer" by his own efforts.
And then perhaps, to better understand Carmody's dilemma, assuming he is successful, try explaining or demonstrating that to someone else who has had no such experience! :lol:
Trying to discuss this kind of esoteric, very experiential subject on a forum is bound to be problematical.
Nevertheless, thanks to everyone for a really interesting discussion.

[greybeard]

Every ones exceptional they just dont know it.

Chris

[RunningDeer]

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Love/unity-globe_zps14386e72.GIFhttp://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Love/yin-yang-globe_zps8e632bbd.GIF

[jagman]

I have not commented on this thread until now. Did any of you see me coming? lol just a little jokey...
I think most people, who if they really thought about it, have had psychic experiences. I dont think
you have to be "exceptional", although I'm not saying that those people don't exist either.

I do think however, If someone does claim to be "Exceptional" with psychic abilities.
that must require "Exceptional Proof." If not, your just pissing in the wind folks and
preaching to the choir. Jim Jones told his followers he was exceptional and they
literally drank the kool aid. On the other hand Uri Geller has done some amazing
things. For me the search continues with an open mind.

[Jake]

I have not commented on this thread until now. Did any of you see me coming? lol just a little jokey...
I think most people, who if they really thought about it, have had psychic experiences. I dont think
you have to be "exceptional", although I'm not saying that those people don't exist either.

I do think however, If someone does claim to be "Exceptional" with psychic abilities.
that must require "Exceptional Proof." If not, your just pissing in the wind folks and
preaching to the choir. Jim Jones told his followers he was exceptional and they
literally drank the kool aid. On the other hand Uri Geller has done some amazing
things. For me the search continues with an open mind.

Unfortunately, proof is a sliding scale, and is relative to the observer. What is proof for one, is NOT proof for another, and visa verse. What is considered tangible proof for science is laughable to someone with first hand experience. Many truths are subjective, and cannot be proven. Mostly, the non-physical aspects,,, cannot be proven, as non physical aspects are not considered tangible, to most people.

I have no doubt that you love from your heart. But can you prove it. To love someone is the most powerful essence you can share,,, but can it be proven. Experienced,, yes, Proven..... no...

If one cannot use the supersensitive potentials that we carry, then one does NOT have the tools needed to properly judge proof. If you use the 'fife sense' rules, then your idea of proof will ALWAYs be limited.

Besides, What purpose does 'proof' have anyways. I've spent most of my life, proving certain things to MYSELF, engaging my craft with a skeptics mind. How then, do I prove it to YOU,,, knowing all that I would rob you of, if you were to prove it to yourself.

I have stayed out of this conversation too,,, for the most part.

What Chris said,,,, We are ALL exceptionally gifted, and triumphantly amazing beings.

Jake.

[jagman]

I have not commented on this thread until now. Did any of you see me coming? lol just a little jokey...
I think most people, who if they really thought about it, have had psychic experiences. I dont think
you have to be "exceptional", although I'm not saying that those people don't exist either.

I do think however, If someone does claim to be "Exceptional" with psychic abilities.
that must require "Exceptional Proof." If not, your just pissing in the wind folks and
preaching to the choir. Jim Jones told his followers he was exceptional and they
literally drank the kool aid. On the other hand Uri Geller has done some amazing
things. For me the search continues with an open mind.

Unfortunately, proof is a sliding scale, and is relative to the observer. What is proof for one, is NOT proof for another, and visa verse. What is considered tangible proof for science is laughable to someone with first hand experience. Many truths are subjective, and cannot be proven. Mostly, the non-physical aspects,,, cannot be proven, as non physical aspects are not considered tangible, to most people.

I have no doubt that you love from your heart. But can you prove it. To love someone is the most powerful essence you can share,,, but can it be proven. Experienced,, yes, Proven..... no...

If one cannot use the supersensitive potentials that we carry, then one does NOT have the tools needed to properly judge proof. If you use the 'fife sense' rules, then your idea of proof will ALWAYs be limited.

Besides, What purpose does 'proof' have anyways. I've spent most of my life, proving certain things to MYSELF, engaging my craft with a skeptics mind. How then, do I prove it to YOU,,, knowing all that I would rob you of, if you were to prove it to yourself.

I have stayed out of this conversation too,,, for the most part.

What Chris said,,,, We are ALL exceptionally gifted, and triumphantly amazing beings.

Jake.

Jake I do get where your coming from. Jake A few years ago the NY giants were
playing the New Egland Patriots In the SuperBowl.I went into a trance at halftime
While I was in, what I will call a "trance" I saw Eli Manning make a throw in the fourth quarter to win the game. I came out the the trance after halftime.
And in the fourth quarter of the game was exactly the same. Eli made the
exact same throw to the same reciever winning the game.

[heretogrow]

Yeah I agree with the most recent posts. The most constraining problem with this thread is perhaps the title. I am open and yearn for the exceptional but I am in no way that. I feel much more comfortable being an experiencer and learning through others and yes from this wonderful connectiveness I believe I am learning. The truth to me without all these wonderful other souls I would not be in this place. It is the collective to me that is perpetuating and able to bring forth miracles. To me that is being open and connected to Source, to work through you and find a way to manifest in the now. You become the vessel. Not believing in the psychic phenomenon at this stage in my existence here would be like not believing in LOVE or Source. It would be like looking at a hero and doubting the potential. And when I read claims that sound too profound of unbelievable I am only grateful that I am amongst such truly amazing people. ANd of course I can only hope that in this company it will rub off lol! I have walked alone in the dark in this life and thought, truly there must be more. Otherwise what is the point? I am able to see the point in others and express great gratitude in that. There is truly no greater freedom than gratitude. This is not lip service to the word. This is my truth and my understanding of the reality around me at this point in my life.

PS- I really believe if we could gather together at some point on mother earth it would be so amazing that all of our problems would be healed instantly. I think we in all of our division, compassion, understanding, heart, intellect, talent, wisdom, vulnerabilities and willingness to learn and grow from each other, hold that much power. Like has been said on this thread over and over, We are the answer we have been waiting for. In that event I might seem quite shy. Typing is much more safe than talking out loud. But you can bet I would be honored and Grateful to be in such company.

I think I am off to bed. Goodnight and much love!
Julia

[Mike]

The moment someone obliges me to respond I become rather rebellious.
Funny, that, how that works.
I have major issues with people who feel entitled.
I don't know how to humor someone, especially when they plead.
And if they throw words like 'slippery' at me I will become pretty unforgiving.

So, Carmody, please accept this medal from me,
for being such an incredible example of patience and restraint.

The moment I am condescended to for asking reasonable questions I get rebellious.

And you can go ahead and add hypersensitivity to your list of issues: if you are really offended by the term "slippery" then it's a miracle you've gotten this far in your life without dropping dead of indignation.

Folks, imagine this: you're walking down the road with a friend. The friend says: hey, did you know that I can bend those trees over there with my mind? You say: wow, really? The friend says: yup. You say: great, will you show me? And at this point you are offered a long, mostly unsatisfying response, which concludes with the friend telling you that he cannot demonstrate this for you, and not only that, that *you* are somehow at fault for it.

Folks, this, in a nutshell, is what's happening here. And I'm not just referring to my whipping boy Carmody - it's symptomatic of the psychic world at large.

Notice: I am not asking alien abductees to prove their experiences. Nor am I asking psychics to prove their accuracy. The reason I'm asking Carmody for a demonstration is because he claims to be able to affect OBJECTIVE reality in an overt and incontrovertible way. Jake, I love your energy brother, and I understand what you're saying about proof and the sliding scale, but this one is pretty black n white. It's as black n white as can be, yet everyone insists on adding all this damn color.

Carmody, I have absolutely no ill-will towards you. None. We disagree strongly here on a number of things, are at a stalemate, and I hardly see any reason to continue the dialogue. My psychic ability tells me you likely feel the same. If you want the last word on the matter, it's all yours...

[Nat_Lee]

I'm not sure if those experiences i'm going to share with you are relevant to the title: ''Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people'' let me began with those two to make you realize that it is as accessible to me than to all of us on the planet to manifest your thoughts (create):

I'm not good with the years... Time lines default ... hahaaa....
I think it is 4 years or maybe 6 years ago...

I decided to have free access to the subways every time I took it.
I said to myself something like this: ''Taking the subways is free for me''
So it was for a whole week !
I had to take the subs several times this week and every time, it came out to be free....
Examples of how it happened:
2 or 3 times, it was the gates that were open for different reasons ....
another time, nobody in the boot to make us pay so the turnstile was unlocked...
I remember one time that an employee just helped an handicap person so he opened the big door and looked at me and just invited me to pass for free...
My boyfriend gave me is own card for a day.....

This is one of my experiences about creating your reality and it's working for me when I really believe I can do it....
The BELIEVE word here is very important !
Each time I create a situation and I really, truly, without any doubt ''believe'' I will succeed, it's working ...

I also have believed for years that I always have to wait in lines so I could never go in a store and make it fast to pay and go out... I was always waiting.... For some reasons, the machine was broken, the only on person in frond of me had problem with a price tag... I some times said to friends, you choose the line for me because if it is me, I will wait and even then I had to wait..... There is 10 person in one line and 2 other in the other line, you take the one that has less people expecting you will go out fast.... NOT ME .......... hahahaaa........... ALWAYS waiting, waiting..... For years.... lol..... But I have made this stop ... I knew it was me doing this, so I decided, ok I have waited enough .... it is time for me to have fast access some times, so now it is more normal ;) sometimes i'm waiting and sometimes I don't just like anybody...

Voilà !
2 things i'm willing to share with you to see how it works... (for me) !
It is soooooooooo easy :)

Belive !

Much love to all of you AVALONIENS !
NatLee

BY the way, this resonate a lot with me (thank you Christine):

Are not all people exceptional people? Isn't any ability latent in any Being of consciousness.

I don't have any exceptional abilities.. really I don't. It is an oddity. I can tell of extra ordinary events in my life.. things that surprised and awed me. I can tell stories of emotional upheavals and even moments of pure terror. I relish the moments when the sun or the wind talk through me... I crumble in the moments of doubt and pain. This is LIFE moving through me. Exceptional? Not for me any longer... it just is, moment by moment awareness that I do my best to embrace it as it comes.

Am I creating this, I would say yes. I am a conscious co-creator of what I embody and live around me. Have I expanded and contracted enough? Have I experienced enough to have some wisdom, some patience, and over flowing kindness?

These are the exceptional qualities I value above all... and above all love.

[onawah]

I'm electing myself to be the one this time to state this old hackneyed but true cliche, that it's great how so many diverse individuals can come together on this forum, be exactly who they are and agree to disagree yet remain civil about it, and keep on keeping on, whether this particular discussion is finished or not...hopefully to process through another issue together, tomorrow or the next day..:cantina::grouphug:.

[Christine]

I have yet to say much on this valuable conversation... while the debate may appear personal it underlines something that we need to and should be able to discuss. I know I risk being seen as a fence walker when from my particular point on the reality meter I am neither right or wrong... and all I can offer in all honesty is my experiences.

So to Chinaski, I have in moments made weather. Here is one of my experiences related here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59041-LRH--L.-Ron-Hubbard-&p=677312&viewfull=1#post677312). Can I prove that to you? Not really and can I repeat that experience at will, no. It was a combination of intense emotion, circumstances and me having obtained a very high concentration of energy that moved through me in a perfect storm. Did I hurt anyone? No. Did I stop some really nasty people in their tracks? yes. Was I a participant in something greater than myself alone, yes. So it goes that if you were to ask me to prove that to you I couldn't... but it did happen.

Now here is another one. I do continue to work every morning in consciousness as per our How to Heal the World (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62596-HOW-TO-HEAL-THE-WORLD--A-roadmap-you-may-have-been-waiting-for...-&p=718916&viewfull=1#post718916) thread, which many of us gathered around. My overriding intent is to penetrate the deepest and most extensive levels of reality I can reach. Describing in words is not easy to understand unless you are doing or have done the same. I am the self in reality and I am the self incorporating reality in me.

So on many occasions I flowed to the NSA data mining center in Utah. What I did was observe and in my observation change the physical reality of the computer. I saw and participated in a knowing that the computers would short circuit on an overload of energy, that they were incapable and remain incapable of containing the consciousness of the data going through them. Especially if we flood them with our own energy, reversing flows. There are many, shall we call them unseen elements that are unknown to the engineers... so fires break out. Also joined in imagining rats and other wire gnawing creatures at work... imagination is a wonderful tool.

This is what I saw yesterday. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-08/nsas-utah-spy-supercenter-crippled-power-surges?page=3 Did I have anything to do with it? Your choice, I make no claims. And do I know their are thousands of others doing the same, you bet I do.

This is my continued mantra as we move through these times. Together we are a force, divided we fall.

Why do I bother to write this, because I know that Carmody, jiminii, Ulli, Agape and all the others on Avalon who tell their stories about their abilities have the intent to help us all extend and reach for what we are capable of. Because it is easy for me to sense the lack of personal gain or importance in these folks, to find the common thread of "Being the Change" we want to see in the world. Emphasis is on BEING.

This isn't meant to deride, belittle or make anyone feel smaller less capable, we all have a mission and an unique essence and ultimately we are all equally important. The continually questioning mind is as important as the one that thinks it has answers.

Finding your SELF in context is ALL.

[Sebastion]

There is an answer here as to why certain people have abilities and some do not and the answer I believe (after 40 yrs of experimentation, using myself as the guinea pig) lies in the brain, more explicitly-the neurons!

To begin, Anthony Robbins used to say that it took 21 days to form a habit, yet he could not explain why. He literally did not know when asked. I was fortunate one day, as I became privy to a conversation involving a brain surgeon who was being asked questions involving brain surgery. When asked how long it took during the healing process for the neurons in the brain to heal and function again, he stated that it took 21 days for new neurons/neural pathways to develop and begin functioning. A neuron is a specialised cell which transmits electrical impulses throughout the brain and body complex.

Consciousness/awareness is electrical in nature. Electricity also has different frequencies. It is my contention that one can tap into different frequencies, energies, etc. by having the specific intent to do so. Once your intent is clear and you have the will to do so, your brain will begin to develop neural pathways which will in the end allow you to tap into the particular frequency needed to accomplish that intent. I am speaking primarily of adding to your repertoire of abilities, such as telepathy, etc. One has to have the neurons that taps into that particular frequency. I see it as a perfectly natural human phenomenon.

We all have the ability to "specialise" ourselves in any way we choose. It is interesting to note also to refer to Sirdipswitch's thread about obe's. Buhlman says in his books, that if you dedicate yourself to having an obe, it will take 30 days of dedication to have one. Could it be that during those 30 days that the brain is forming new neural pathways so that you become aware of leaving the body to its fullest extent? If you don't have the neurons developed to receive that information, how would you ever become aware of it?

[RunningDeer]

I understand and respect the fact that things like synchronicity, psychic revelation, and maybe to some degree telepathy are subtle, mostly subjective experiences that cannot be proven. and i'm in no hurry to "prove" them, because I've experienced this type of stuff myself, believe it or not.

I send my best to everybody:cheers:

Hi Michael,

This is an example of a technique I use. Books say “pick me, pick me”. I opened to ‘a’ page this morning out of a pile of about ten books on my kitchen table. It's pages 250-251, “Changes of Mind: A Holonomic Theory of the Evolution of Consciousness (http://www.amazon.com/Changes-Mind-Consciousness-Philosophy-Psychology/dp/0791428508/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381674112&sr=8-1&keywords=Changes+of+Mind%3A+A+Holonomic+Theory+of+the+Evolution+of+Consciousness),” by Jenny Wade.

“Some people have a natural proclivity that permits them certain types of access to the transcendent source of consciousness during life, reflected by characteristic EEG patterns unlike those of the general population. Others can develop access through disciplined training. Certain changes in the brain and/or electromagnetic field surrounding the body - NDE or other encounter with the Light, advanced meditation dreaming, etc. - seem to lower the threshold of accessibility. Accessing the transcendent source permits experiences unbound by Newtonian spatiotemporality, such as psi or ‘miraculous’ abilities (“mind over matter”).

Experience of non-Newtonian realities from that source is integrated into the brain-bound consciousness. At higher stages of consciousness, progressive integration of the transcendent source in conjunction with an ego-transcending motivation changes the brain’s EEGs, entraining both hemispheres and creating slower, more orderly and harmonic energy patterns...”

“...At the level of Unity consciousness, however, the transcendent and brain-based streams of consciousness are fully entrained, and in a way disappear altogether. The sense of other worlds vanishes, as these experiences are realized to be illusory projections, just like the separate material realms. The enlightened persons does not “go” anywhere at death because he is already (t)here immortally and eternally, though his body does not persist in the time-bound, material world.”

I know you are not looking for outside proof. The timing of this information was not an accident. I've learned to follow through on what's presented that way more 'reveals' come my way. So my thanks for your participation in it.

With heart,
Paula

Reminder: You promised me a signed copy of your book. I got me some gold coins set aside for multiply copies. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/wet-kiss-smiley.gif?1292867699

[Roisin]

Some people who are primed and prepped can get that extra boost to ACTIVATE their abilities to another level when they come in contact with someone who is at an advanced level. Think of it as someone passing on their abilities via Dharma to you. So if you want to improve in whatever abilities you may have a hint of or maybe do not even have that much even, hang out with those who have PROVEN abilities in that area because whatever they have may rub off on you. This can happen over the internet too.

Note: Beware of the cons. If they are only teaching techniques and are not doing demo's or showing any kind of evidential material or information that supports their claims, then they don't have anything that's going to rub off on you to gain some level of proficiency in those abilities they are teaching. The proof is in the pudding. If they do not prove to you that they have the abilities they claim to have, then move on. That's just common sense to but all too often, some of those cons out there do have the ability to brainwash people into making them believe that they possess those abilities they claim to have. So it's very important to use much discernment in this area. Just because a so-called master or guru has a following, that doesn't mean anything unless that person SHOWS what he can do. Anyone can spout platitudes for spiritual advancement, especially in the 'information age' we live in now via the internet. All they are doing is just repeating back to you what they are reading and then putting their own spin on that material. So be careful and demand that they show you what they claim they can do... if they can't do that then find somebody else who can.

[Flash]

Yes to Paula, yes to Sebastion posts above, No to both.

Although the metaphysical, Higher Self, name it, expériences will tranform the brain, for a perception of all, and although " brain-based streams of consciousness are fully entrained, and in a way disappear altogether", which is the case, all this cannot happen if the heart centers are not cleared and trained. If the focus is not in the heart (love) and the brain to its service, the risk of entraining the brain only is very high towards mental disease or black magic.

Train the heart, clear the heart, willfully implement love, using will and feelings, receiving and giving, willfully, and the brain will follow automatically. Your acute brain powers should be first used for the heart and love training. Very difficult to understand for very left brain rational people, very difficult indeed.

So, Yes there is training to be, starting with the heart. You start seeing with your heart first, You keep seeing with your entrained brain second. This is the difference, in my opinion, on staying in service to others versus sinking into service to self.

Christine's post above demonstrates it very well.

Spiritual development automatically confers spiritual powers, good and bad, depending on the intent (will). If one doesn't see what is being talk about, one just has to pursue the spiritual training path, seeing (being empath or visionary) will come in its own time. To be humble enough to admit it is arleady far into the training path. But the untrained brain will stop you. (a trained brain here means intelligence to the service of spiritual, not the reverse Chinaski).

This post of mine is for the Chinaskis of this world, at the beginning of the spiritual training, wanting to understand, when in fact they could only want to evolve. Understanding will come in time. It is not for the Paulas or the alike of this world who already trained their heart.

[Jake]

I have not commented on this thread until now. Did any of you see me coming? lol just a little jokey...
I think most people, who if they really thought about it, have had psychic experiences. I dont think
you have to be "exceptional", although I'm not saying that those people don't exist either.

I do think however, If someone does claim to be "Exceptional" with psychic abilities.
that must require "Exceptional Proof." If not, your just pissing in the wind folks and
preaching to the choir. Jim Jones told his followers he was exceptional and they
literally drank the kool aid. On the other hand Uri Geller has done some amazing
things. For me the search continues with an open mind.

Unfortunately, proof is a sliding scale, and is relative to the observer. What is proof for one, is NOT proof for another, and visa verse. What is considered tangible proof for science is laughable to someone with first hand experience. Many truths are subjective, and cannot be proven. Mostly, the non-physical aspects,,, cannot be proven, as non physical aspects are not considered tangible, to most people.

I have no doubt that you love from your heart. But can you prove it. To love someone is the most powerful essence you can share,,, but can it be proven. Experienced,, yes, Proven..... no...

If one cannot use the supersensitive potentials that we carry, then one does NOT have the tools needed to properly judge proof. If you use the 'fife sense' rules, then your idea of proof will ALWAYs be limited.

Besides, What purpose does 'proof' have anyways. I've spent most of my life, proving certain things to MYSELF, engaging my craft with a skeptics mind. How then, do I prove it to YOU,,, knowing all that I would rob you of, if you were to prove it to yourself.

I have stayed out of this conversation too,,, for the most part.

What Chris said,,,, We are ALL exceptionally gifted, and triumphantly amazing beings.

Jake.

Jake I do get where your coming from. Jake A few years ago the NY giants were
playing the New Egland Patriots In the SuperBowl.I went into a trance at halftime
While I was in, what I will call a "trance" I saw Eli Manning make a throw in the fourth quarter to win the game. I came out the the trance after halftime.
And in the fourth quarter of the game was exactly the same. Eli made the
exact same throw to the same reciever winning the game.

Ah!! So that was YOUR fault?? ;) That is, indeed, and exceptional experience. I love it! :) I wondered by what miracle that happened... Now, if you could prove something like that,, that would be exceptional, too. I wish I could prove more of the OBE stuffs... It all still happens quite randomly. I have proven it to myself. And I have been able to prove it to others, on occasion,, but I cannot claim mastery over my craft. It is best if I 'let go', and just go with it. Trying to 'dial' it all in from start to finish is quite a sophisticated undertaking, methinks.

Wow!! I am loving the trance/Eli Manning thing. Sooo many implications. You know me, I do not believe in prophecy or predictive experiences. Only created ones. I 'believe that creation and experience happen simultaneously, and that it is a law of consciousness. I will be watching my Buffalo Bills play later... I am going to give it a try!!! (I am 0-4 for trying!!! lol..) :)

Jake.

[Flash]

Neat Jagman, I will want you on my team for my next university exam.....

It is funny, when I think of it, how I never really wanted any psychic powers. It was not in me, never really wanted them. May be I was scared of it, maybe I was just unconsciously remembering pas times/lives where I misused it, I do not know.

But, as time went by, I know I can feel people often (not their physical pain, but their emotional) and block it to be comfortable, however I use it to help, I know I can sometimes kind of read minds (I always Wonder if I make it up though - but it seems sometimes I don't). And I know that my own state of mind/heart does influence greatly my entourage - a service to them is to be fine within myself.

Is it spiritual powers? I do not think so. I think it is just how we naturally are. I think that we can all feel magnetic fields of others and project our own.

For me, the importance has always been the development of the heart (I remember very clearly deciding that I would use my brain in service to the heart, willingly, since I had the choice). It also asways has been the evolution of the soul, the most important. Not psychic powers or abilities. But, I have observe in others that they come as soul development unfold. So I bet it will be the same for me.

In fact, right in the middle of my divorce, I was hating my husband so much that one day I suddenly realized that I could not be given any spiritual power while witholding such hate Inside me, I would be utterly destructive otherwise. I was not advance enough to have these powers, therefore, I shall not force it (by training the brain). They will come in time.

So I decided (will) to let go, tame the hatred first, accept and love (for me and my dauhgter, one step at a time lol. not too fast god forbid lol). NOwaday I do not hate him anymore, but I know I have this shadow in me to watch, accept and deal with. One of the many.

For those thinking the dark forces are giving us a service, in the universe, the meta meta universe, may be, but in mine, not true. I could have learn as well with working on regular problems, through love and joy. But it happened that I encountered the remnant of hatred in me, that way. So I will use the opportunity.

Having powers or not does not make a wrinkle in my clothes, I just do not mind. But I truly dislike those stupid Knock head using their powers without the heart/love (universal love, not munchy love) component. For and Because of those, I will evolve and counteract their forces, having tamed my shadows. It could so much be done in joy though instead of torment, for the whole race on this planet.

[Roisin]

I think it would be interesting is we could set a time for everyone to do meditation sessions here, like once a week, for example. Granted it would be challenging to work around those different time zones each of us are in, I think such an endeavor would prove itself to be very beneficial on many different levels.

The purpose of such an exercise as this would be for us to go into a deeper state of altered consciousness. Meditating in unison, at the same time, can help to facilitate that process and I know this to be true because I've participated in such exercises like this before and that's exactly what happened during those sessions.

[greybeard]

There is a saying "What one can do all can do"
Virtually anyone can promote themselves as exceptional---rather than the exception---subtle difference.
A mum with a new child--both amazing--the love just shines out of them.
Every sober alcoholic or clean addict a walking miracle.

Once when being a catalysis for healing--I placed my hands on a man's back--he had a calcified spine and was well bent over, I don't know who was more surprised, him or me, when bit by bit he straightened up.
It only took a few minutes for him to be fully erect for the first time in years.
I had asked for Christ to work through the hands and I felt strong unconditional love for the man as this happened.
Now If I was so special and clever (Exceptional) I could do this at will.
I most certainly cant.

To be clear im not upgrading or down grading anyone--- I see God within all which is the meaning of Namaste (I greet the God within you)
So God being within everyone and everything-- what is there to be more exceptional than the God within?

Respect all, value all, but there is no one more exceptional than you.

Chris

[Sebastion]

Flash said:

Train the heart, clear the heart, willfully implement love, using will and feelings, receiving and giving, willfully, and the brain will follow automatically.

Please tell me Flash how the brain will follow automatically, if the brain hasn't the developed neural pathways to follow "automatically"?

Flash said:
Spiritual development automatically confers spiritual powers, good and bad, depending on the intent (will).

Please tell me Flash how one would know about any spiritual powers if one didn't have the awareness of it. One can have no awareness of anything without functioning neurons/neural pathways in the brain.

And while you are at it, tell me about the blue corona above the head and how it relates directly to your brain and your neurons/neural pathways?

I'm all ears.....

[Roisin]

Greybeard, I'm with you on this one. I KNOW with absolute certainty that it is through our Higher Power/the Christ Consciousness* and His facilitator's too, that allow our Higher Self to become channels for their energy that works through us to effect not only various extraordinary super-sensible abilities but also to work miracles too -- especially in the area of healing.

It is never just us and we are not the ones that 'do it'. We are only the instruments that they work through and nothing more.

*Others have different names for IT.

Conversely, there are those intelligence's out there that are aligned with either the dark side or a benign/neutral source, like some ET's, for example, that can channel through our Higher Self too. But it's never just us. They will prime and prep those whom they want to work through but we are just their containers/instruments that they work through and nothing more.

[gripreaper]

This is an example of a technique I use. Books say “pick me, pick me”. I opened to ‘a’ page this morning out of a pile of about ten books on my kitchen table. It's pages 250-251, “Changes of Mind: A Holonomic Theory of the Evolution of Consciousness (http://www.amazon.com/Changes-Mind-Consciousness-Philosophy-Psychology/dp/0791428508/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381674112&sr=8-1&keywords=Changes+of+Mind%3A+A+Holonomic+Theory+of+the+Evolution+of+Consciousness),” by Jenny Wade.

I know you are not looking for outside proof. The timing of this information was not an accident. I've learned to follow through on what's presented that way more 'reveals' come my way. So my thanks for your participation in it.

With heart,
Paula

Reminder: You promised me a signed copy. I got me some gold coins set aside for multiply copies. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/wet-kiss-smiley.gif?1292867699

Paula, are you sneaking into my living room and looking at my bookshelf when I'm not around? Jenny Wade's book is awesome, and I have mentioned it here many times to no avail, but you... Have read and continue to read the most seminal works on my bookshelf!

[Roisin]

Here's a video I recorded, just for the fun of it, of a "Spinner" experiment I did one time. A few of us in another forum were trying it out so I did too. Is it showing anything extraordinary? Nope. We all possess chi energy. But showing here anyway just for the heck of it. Afterall, I did take the time to record that session so might as well get some more mileage out of it. :becky:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxFBMXMYQk


Here's a good one from someone who has a lot of practice with the chi spinner. He's really good at it. He also has a link on how to make your own paper spinner.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4oSjEPIANA

I think such exercises are worth practicing at wrt to working on your power of intention. For example, you can say to yourself, "Ok, spinner, stop" or you can say "Spinner, change direction" and see what happens. Try to focus your chi so that it's emanating off your hand or hands if you're using both of them like he is.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

There is an answer here as to why certain people have abilities and some do not and the answer I believe (after 40 yrs of experimentation, using myself as the guinea pig) lies in the brain, more explicitly-the neurons!

To begin, Anthony Robbins used to say that it took 21 days to form a habit, yet he could not explain why. He literally did not know when asked. I was fortunate one day, as I became privy to a conversation involving a brain surgeon who was being asked questions involving brain surgery. When asked how long it took during the healing process for the neurons in the brain to heal and function again, he stated that it took 21 days for new neurons/neural pathways to develop and begin functioning. A neuron is a specialised cell which transmits electrical impulses throughout the brain and body complex.

Consciousness/awareness is electrical in nature. Electricity also has different frequencies. It is my contention that one can tap into different frequencies, energies, etc. by having the specific intent to do so. Once your intent is clear and you have the will to do so, your brain will begin to develop neural pathways which will in the end allow you to tap into the particular frequency needed to accomplish that intent. I am speaking primarily of adding to your repertoire of abilities, such as telepathy, etc. One has to have the neurons that taps into that particular frequency. I see it as a perfectly natural human phenomenon.

We all have the ability to "specialise" ourselves in any way we choose. It is interesting to note also to refer to Sirdipswitch's thread about obe's. Buhlman says in his books, that if you dedicate yourself to having an obe, it will take 30 days of dedication to have one. Could it be that during those 30 days that the brain is forming new neural pathways so that you become aware of leaving the body to its fullest extent? If you don't have the neurons developed to receive that information, how would you ever become aware of it?

I find your post worthy of a second look. There is good stuff in here.
Remember the dolphin thread about India? It talked about spindle neurons being the basis of higher brain function.
These structures don't just happen by accident.

[RunningDeer]

Hi Gripreaper,

When you mentioned Ken Wilber and Dr. David Hawkins, Post #134 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62627-Covert-Hostility-..the-Tone-Level-...-WHAT-IT-IS&p=719987&viewfull=1#post719987). I ordered Jenny Wade. I got hooked on Ken Wilber’s “The Spectrum of Consciousness,” and continued to read his material.

I attribute David Hawkins’ works (and others) to leaving the clock world. Also, I was out to prove David Hawkins wrong that woman can’t reach levels that men can because our bodies couldn’t take on the vibratory rate that men’s bodies can. If I’ve miss quoted you, Dr. Hawkins. Sorry. It still helped me continue.

UPDATE: Shorten post.

[Flash]

why do you ask if you answer your own question in a previous post?



Flash said:

Train the heart, clear the heart, willfully implement love, using will and feelings, receiving and giving, willfully, and the brain will follow automatically.

Please tell me Flash how the brain will follow automatically, if the brain hasn't the developed neural pathways to follow "automatically"? The heart is intimately connected to the brain, the physical heart is, and its link with the electro magnetic energies of the body. It gives feedback to the brain and get feedback from it. The heart chakra, linked to the love functions, is located in the chest and does impact the physical heart, therefore giving feedback to the brain. Furthermore, part of the "heart" is also in the symbolic brain, the right hemisphere. And yes, for us, occidentals (left brainees), our right hemisphere will develop in response to the heart. See the heartmath Institute for more information on this. Now, your question is a brain question, not a heart one.

Flash said:
Spiritual development automatically confers spiritual powers, good and bad, depending on the intent (will).

Please tell me Flash how one would know about any spiritual powers if one didn't have the awareness of it. One can have no awareness of anything without functioning neurons/neural pathways in the brain.
Because he heard about it or has witnessed it in other and wants to use it to make a million dollars or cure his mother or get the love of his conquest, name it, you know human, that is how they know about it. This is not intimate knowing, this is the ego wanting for itself. Then they wwant the power from it. This is the danger zone. They think they have awareness of it while they don't really.
The neuronal pathways will reorganize themselves in response to the environment and to the will. You know about this, train your heart, get the feedback loop to the brain, it will respond. Do it repetitively, the pathways will be created. You know this Sebastion, why do you ask?

And while you are at it, tell me about the blue corona above the head and how it relates directly to your brain and your neurons/neural pathways?

I'm all ears..... Since you know, why don't you tell me?

You see, you demonstrated the power of the brain, I answered with mine, where does it lead us? In a loop? What was the intent? To build up wisdom and love? What was the will? Was it by any chance to argue that I did not know what I am speaking about?

I will add a piece for which you can bite me, if it is your will. Spiritual awakening and developement comes from extensive training in one hand, and complete abandonment on the other hand, I presume. The neuronal pathways are not always necessary. We do not have them when we are outisde our body (OBE), or in our soul.

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you are talking 3D mechanics, in which you are right, I am talking soul

[Zampano]

Thanks Sebastion for this post.
The 21 days process seems to be omnipresent, when it comes to create new patterns or habbits.
Drug addicts becoming clean-the first 21 days are crucial. Alcoholics the same.
Smokers, the first 3 weeks are the hardest and the you kind of overcome the need to smoke. I can confirm that.
There are lots of management seminars which last for 21 days to create a new pattern.
Also Jasmuheen's Breatharian process takes 21 days. Diets and Detox.
You can have free subscriptions for newspapers, pay TV, cosmetic products...all for 21 days.

Nuff said---go ahead and change or create new patterns you want in your life :-)

[RunningDeer]

Example of our natural abilities. Thanks, Kindred. :wave:

From Kindred's thread, "Confirmed by Science: You Really Can Change Your DNA – Here’s How (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64392-Science-Confirms-You-can-change-your-DNA&p=744127&viewfull=1#post744127)"

By Carolanne Wright
[complete article here (http://wakeup-world.com/2013/10/14/confirmed-by-science-you-really-can-change-your-dna-heres-how/)]

My favorite part: "The individual succeeded, as instructed, to intentionally and simultaneously unwind two of the DNA samples to different extents and leave the third unchanged. Control group volunteers who had low heart coherence were unable to alter the DNA."

“If you believe that you are at the mercy of your genetic code, great news, you’re not. According to the science of epigenetics (the study of how environmental factors outside of DNA influence changes in gene expression), stem cells and even DNA can be altered through magnetic fields, heart coherence, positive mental states and intention. Top scientists around the world agree: genetic determinism is a flawed theory."

Curbing the genetic victim mentality

{snip}

“The difference between these two is significant because this fundamental belief called genetic determinism literally means that our lives, which are defined as our physical, physiological and emotional behavioral traits, are controlled by the genetic code. This kind of belief system provides a visual picture of people being victims: If the genes control our life function, then our lives are being controlled by things outside of our ability to change them. This leads to victimization that the illnesses and diseases that run in families are propagated through the passing of genes associated with those attributes. Laboratory evidence shows this is not true.”

Lipton’s theory is confirmed by Carlo Ventura, M.D., Ph.D., professor and researcher at the University of Bologna in Italy. Dr. Ventura has shown through lab testing that the DNA of stem cells can be altered using magnetic field frequencies.

{snip}

He adds that two Nobel Prize-winning scientists discovered even “nonstem adult cells can be epigenetically reprogrammed backward to a state where they can eventually give rise to neural cells, cardiac cells, skeletal muscle cells or insulin-producing cells. ”

Changing DNA through intention

According to the Institute of HeartMath in Boulder Creek, California, epigenetics encompasses far more than just DNA, our environment and life experience. After two decades of study, the researchers discovered factors like love and appreciation or anxiety and anger also influence a person’s blueprint. In one experiment, select participants were able to change DNA with positive mental states.

An individual holding three DNA samples was directed to generate heart coherence – a beneficial state of mental, emotional and physical balance and harmony – with the aid of a HeartMath technique that utilizes heart breathing and intentional positive emotions. The individual succeeded, as instructed, to intentionally and simultaneously unwind two of the DNA samples to different extents and leave the third unchanged.

Control group volunteers who had low heart coherence were unable to alter the DNA.

[complete article here (http://wakeup-world.com/2013/10/14/confirmed-by-science-you-really-can-change-your-dna-heres-how/)]

[Billy]

So to Chinaski, I have in moments made weather. Here is one of my experiences related here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59041-LRH--L.-Ron-Hubbard-&p=677312&viewfull=1#post677312). Can I prove that to you? Not really and can I repeat that experience at will, no. It was a combination of intense emotion, circumstances and me having obtained a very high concentration of energy that moved through me in a perfect storm. Did I hurt anyone? No. Did I stop some really nasty people in their tracks? yes. Was I a participant in something greater than myself alone, yes. So it goes that if you were to ask me to prove that to you I couldn't... but it did happen.



Finding your SELF in context is ALL.

i shared this experience a while back.




In my community here in Scotland we used to hold a yearly festival in our village. This was to raise funds to build our community hall and center. I was vice chairman in the community association for 12 years. We had regular meetings leading up to the festival. It had been pouring with rain non stop for 3 weeks before the festival. This was 1991. We were expecting around 1500 people to descend on our small community, The forecast was rain rain and more rain all over Scotland during and after the festival. As a sort of joke at one off the meeting i said. " Don't worry i will sort the weather" You can imagine the looks and sniggering. :rolleyes: Yea Yea Billy.

3 days before the festival i decided to fast and meditate for the next 3 days. Wed to Fri. For sunshine. It was August, the festival started Sat morning. On Friday as we were erecting marque's, stalls etc in the pouring rain. With comments like, This is going to be a wash out. Will we cancel.

Sat morning arrived. It was 2hrs before opening the festival. Still raining. I went outside looking up at the grey sky and said . Ok it is time for the sun to shine.

As we opened the gates at 10am to allow people to enter. A hole appeared in the sky above us allowing A chink of sunshine. This hole grew and we were bathed in sunshine only over our village. ALL around us about a mile outside our zone in every direction it was raining. The clouds were moving but our hole in the sky stayed with us for the 3days. People were commenting that they had traveled from all over the UK and it was raining everywhere. Apart for our tiny village. On the Monday when everyone was leaving the hole closed and the rain continued.

I said thank you.

My personal experience and a true experience.

Peace

Can i prove it. Well i did have witnesses, but was it a coincidence.

peace

[Delight]

This thread is about exceptional abilities. Exceptions are what prove the law because only if there is a principle can there be an exception. I see it as the display of what has received 51% attention and tips into a ruling in favor of "whatever" was the "norm".

The principle I believe today is that we are unique and one and this principle gets displayed. We find a group that displays principle (any group, even just ideas) and then look for the exception.

This is the way I think of social change. It is the individuals and then 51% accept the new norm and then there are further exceptions of proof....ongoing and fractally lawful we move between the distinctions into expansion.

My cats are exceptional. They take the norm of cats and then exceed all expectations. So my plan is to learn from the example.

Cats may be generally more aloof than dogs...so one cat in my life is the epitome of an exception. Tabby Tail refused all human contact for years until an injury made it possible to "catch" her and bring her inside. Tabby made all her choices and she processed a great deal of fear. She went through stages of hiding and then not hiding and finally one day, she jumped in my lap. She matured and became an exceptionally unusual cat of chosen expansion in her emotional intelligence.

There needs to be a soft loving environment that believes in new possibilities but doesn't force the unfolding. The reason Tabby could come to that change was through exposure to me. I didn't try to force her to change but I treated her with respect and consistency. I know that I am able to do this with cats and have no desire they act like dogs. AM I able to give myself that environment of self love?

People are very hard on one another with judgements. We create mind sets that fail us. We miss out. It's like when people refuse to have cats thinking they are unfriendly and aloof, they miss out. It's as simple as missing out on choosing the possibility that the rule will be proved by our exception. I see that cats can choose to be as effusively affectionate as dogs when one lets them become exceptional by actually interacting in a nonintrusive way.

I was an avatar to my cat of love and acceptance. To me this is the main issue humans are grappling in. What kind of environments have we created for humanity to pop up as exceptions and then change the norm? We know enough about ourselves now to see that we must be avatars for ourselves and intentionally change our norms. But we have to deal with ourselves respectfully and create the environment where we allow ourselves more freedom and more allowing.

How do I personally relate to human "exceptional abilities". Well, I believe that we have refused them. Expectation and judgement THAT THERE IS A CERTAIN STANDARD creating environments of oppression. This is insistence on the beliefs in the 51%.

The sweetness of being human is that we know we are the creators of the artificial world, even if we are not sure what we may do with this artifice? We develop ways to impact the environment. Hopefully we experience our creation as loving to our goals? Is that the fun of becoming awake and aware to discern how to make a great environment for exception itself to appear??

I say lets just stop being self oppressive first. Stop forcing these issues of becoming exceptional! The exceptional will surface. 51% in us to then create a new norm. This is what my cats taught me:

1. There is someone who loves me enough to feed me and let me develop. I will insist on living here in this loving environment!
2. Daily sunning, washing and stalking what is really important as I get yearly more comfortable in my skin is the way.
3. I will let a seeming misfortune capture me and work its magic as it turns out to be the best opportunity.
4. I will daily expect the best and disagree with substitutes.
5. I always stay nonchalant (what some mistake as aloof) and let the process of the seasons unfold.
6. Always stay the course being myself as exceptionally as possible.
7. Miracles are just part of the 49% ON THE WAY TO THE 51%.

[Sebastion]

Well Flash, thus far it appears we are having a problem communicating. Let us see if we can get on the same page! First, lol, I have no intention of biting you in any way imaginable. Second of all, I have no idea who "he" or "they" are so we can let that go as well, referring to your last reply to me.

I will take this opportunity to drop the next "bombshell", with an accompanying explanation. In this explanation, I am including both the body physical and the spirit, soul aspect or better yet, for simplicity sake, I will use the word, consciousness.

First of all, the brain of itself, cannot "think". It is the neurons in the brain that receives electric thought impulses from what is called the blue corona above and surrounding the head and is part of the auric field. I know this to be a first person "fact". In my initial encounter with cosmic consciousness, that is one of the things I saw happening within and without my head, body. I saw miniature "lightening bolts" entering my head and then saw/felt those flashes as "thoughts" entering my head. Time was slowed down as I observed and felt the entire process as it happened. I observed it happening for approximately 5 minutes, give or take. It was an awesome space to be in.

Second of all, it is not just the heart or just the mind so much as it has to be a splendid combination of both. True and pure intent as I define it, includes both the heart and mind, together as one operating unit. To attempt to give more attention to one or the other is essentially separating your energies and slows the process down considerably.

The blue corona is essentially your consciousness and the neurons/neural pathways is the interface between the physical body and your consciousness. The blue corona, your consciousness, is electric high frequency light. Within those frequencies lies all knowledge, the frequencies of Christ/Buddha consciousness, God realization, God consciousness. That is one reason why it is said that the way is within you for it truly is a within you process.

So to conclude, if you are of pure intent with the whole of you and persist in your endeavors towards higher spiritual knowingness, the way will be made clear within you as the appropriate neural pathways come online which give you the ability to receive higher frequency thought, knowledge and energy.

[Sierra]

The heart *has* a brain, believe it or not. There is a clump of brain cells in the heart, that activate when the heart is opened, and control of the upper brain, the meat brain, the mental only brain, is transferred to the heart.

When you have that feeling of knowing in the heart (which is only "supposed to feel"), that is the brain in the heart speaking. And it feels very loving... I suspect it is the High Self actually, coming to reside in the heart, when the heart is ready. Most of us just have flashes of that state of being, since most of us can't live there 24/7...

Yet. :)

[Sebastion]

You are right Sierra as I believe that was discovered in the last 10-15 yrs. I was delighted at the time I discovered that myself.




The heart *has* a brain, believe it or not. There is a clump of brain cells in the heart, that activate when the heart is opened, and control of the upper brain, the meat brain, the mental only brain, is transferred to the heart.

When you have that feeling of knowing in the heart (which is only "supposed to feel"), that is the brain in the heart speaking. And it feels very loving... I suspect it is the High Self actually, coming to reside in the heart, when the heart is ready. Most of us just have flashes of that state of being, since most of us can't live there 24/7...

Yet. :)

[greybeard]

Seems that the first part of the embryo to form is the heart.
It amazed scientists to find that the heart functioned/beat, without a brain.
Gregg Braden and Heartmaths pointed this out in various videos.
Yes we are all special and unique in human form but even more amazing is our true Self.
Without the Self there would not even be a world.
It converts formless into form.
Chris

[RunningDeer]

I’ve been a card carrying member of “Silva Mind Control,” since 1972. We learned techniques on how to use more than 10% of our brain. They’ve since changed the name to the “Silva Method.”

Here’s one of them:

At that time, Michael, my son, was about 10 months old. He was born with a growth near the corner of his eye. I used one of the healing techniques which was simply see it not there. So I did. I forgot about it until a couple of days later. It was gone.

Only one application needed, or more precisely stated, only one belief needed.

I’d say save your money. The book (http://www.amazon.com/The-Silva-Mind-Control-Method/dp/0671739891) has all the techniques we learned. And for some it may be second nature with all the common place information out there now.

[Sebastion]

I wish to add to my previous posts what I forgot to include. The body itself is replete with neurons/neural pathways and it's basically the central nervous system itself. Whatever information that is received travels throughout the body, which includes the heart and heart brain. That also includes spiritual energy. As one progresses to higher frequency thought, those frequencies also permeate the physical body. Higher frequency thought carries with it higher spiritual energies. It is all connected. One becomes "integrated"

[Agape]

Not sure this counts here but it's one well tried ability of mine ... since young age , can't really recall when it started bothering me ..

the ability to walk away from mundane matters .. to go further than where I could be called back, leaving the safety behind , walk and walk and let those people who want to sit and talk in rounds where they're . Because my heart calls me and because it searches for peace ..
I did it many times, small ways when I was young, bigger ways when I grew up .. each time when I tried to resist the call for long enough till the critical point was reached and I had no choice
because my heart was rejoicing with life , longing to meet something , or someone , the greater truth in faraway distance . Never meant to come back.


Believe me or not, each time I met something or someone very special .. out there .. out of the plan .. out of the zone of human safeties .

Some people live closed in their safe boxes all life and do only what's well tried and recommended . And get to the same problems that everyone else does , and more problems as civilisation grows .

Now of course, further you go away from the 'safe zone' , more exceptional life and its circumstances turn to be. Not that I'd recommend the same to anybody, especially not to small kids. Not everyone hears the same call in their hearts .. and it's only sentient that we each feel called to different places .

The longest I walked away from this all were 6 years ..from 1999 to 2005 .. and I don't feel I really came back..certainly not in the same shape ;)


Then of course, comes the ability to hang your ears down and come back .. that is till someone waits for you ..


If there is bigger , secret truth about my life , it has something to do with where did I came from and am I willing to come back and when . Someone, somewhere on the other side of the dimensional veil , sitting at kitchen desk .. tapping nervously on the table .. and I always get stuck,
here and there, hanging out with people , and getting lost , and walking to new adventures and getting lost again..
it has to be about that way ..


but at the end , I usually tend to make it . No matter what I meant to do and what I forgot ,

the most important thing seems to be all those curious , lovely creatures on the way ..



:hug:

[Hervé]

...

One can have no awareness of anything without functioning neurons/neural pathways in the brain.


I'm all ears.....

Communication, hé?

Where the hell did such a statement come from?

Let me attempt some communication on that subject:

There's a young autistic lady who demonstrated it quite clearly, she was unable to communicate with anyone due to some very disabling motor-non-control until she managed to learn how to use a computer and mastered how to type what her AWARENESS/consciousnes was going through... she astounded everyone around! (never mind that famous physicist with his computer wheelchair...)

See?

The above quoted statement is backward: If the AWARENESS has no neural pathway to use and control to express itself, up until very recently, it was game over since communication was not possible... hence, unable to express what one's consciousness/AWARENESS was experiencing and/or knowing.

It doesn't mean that it's not there... just that it cannot be expressed comprehensibly to anyone else... think of the hard time freshly departed ghosts have of trying to communicate with their loved ones crying over their coffin... trying to tell them they are perfectly fine and happy...

Communication, hé... and the means to do it.

Which means that if the switch board (i.e. the brain) between body and "spirit"/"soul"/AWARENESS/consciousness is defective, no expression comes out into the physical; BUT, the reverse is not necessarily true: the "spirit"/"soul"/AWARENESS/consciousness does not need the body to perceive its environment... it can do so directly and do like Paula gone to Grip's library for some good reading time :)

[Carmody]

What about the Harvard graduate who was found to have ~+80% of his cranial cavity filled with fluid, ie, no brain?

His case was not unique.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Someone trying to assess 'psychic abilities' or whatever one may call it, is like walking into episode 12 of a 30 episode season of a show, in season 3, and the full series is 7 years. To walk into that and try to extrapolate an understanding from something that is incomplete and like gibberish. one would have to Understand the entire complex interconnected thing, all 7 seasons of 30x shows per and then the data from the one episode fits in and makes sense. The question and answer do not fit common methods of scientific rigor and 'single cause analysis.

One must also understand that causality was killed and turned to ashes that are in everything and everywhere, in the first episode. Objectivity is left crying in the dirt like a small confused child, with no hope of ever being separate from anything, ever again. objectivity and causality are both a historical curiosity in this sort of exploration. To add, if the exploration is done as it needs to be in order to gain any form of conclusion that fits the data, causality and objectivity may be dead forever, in the mind of the explorer who is involved.

It's that stated bugaboo of the problem being more enveloping and complex than the mind doing the investigating.

Thus, if there is a problem in the investigation of the data, or any proofs, it is in the limit of the individual who is investigating. That their mind is not up to the task of discerning this particular aspect of a more complete relaity.. until they upgrade their mental considerations. They cannot reach it from where they are. No words can fill that gap. Only some form of increasing the encompassing range and depth of human mind of the investigating the individual will do.

The problem is not the data - never was, never will be.

I alternate in methods and attempts all the time, but it is mostly a discouraging case of trying to stop people from beating me down with the unwilling and emotional parts of the origins of their intellectual musings. To work at getting them to not beat me down in their ignorance, and in the middle of that, help them wrestle with their self imposed limits - while they are in some ways, trying to kill me.

I just read a bit in an article where science is now proposing an 'absolute' (proofed) the thing I've been saying for quite a long time, which is that the minds emotional origins determine the function and actuality of intellectual musing. That emotions form intellect, and emotions protect the body FIRST and above all else. Thus the mind, is formed emotionally,and the mind will push away dangers, so in the final analysis, the unaware can sit there and not be aware that their mind has pushed them away from truth, as the truth is perceived by the emotional ego-body, as a danger, at the utmost and deepest level. Remember about 90% of us is below the conscious 'words in head' mental formation and function.

They can't see it, as the thought has not been allowed to form. Not only is this possible but it is the fundamental reality in..oh... about... 100% of all people (give or take a percentage point or two :P ).

That your own mind (remember it is a body formation projection) blocks you from discovery and investigation, it intellectually blanks you out - in it's deepest fears.

eg, that everything happening in the world right now is about maintaining the ego-body in it's position of being in charge of mind formation and thought formation. To make SURE that people remain blanked out. (blanked from intellectual awareness of true reality)

[Hervé]

What about the Harvard graduate who was found to have ~+80% of his cranial cavity filled with fluid, ie, no brain?

His case was not unique.

Touché!

However I would think it does take a driver/being in fairly good shape in order to coordinate a body without the usual switchboard...

[Sebastion]

Sorry Amzer(welcome back, long time no see!)

In answer to your question the people you sight as examples still obviously have functioning neural networks, if only partially, in good working order.

I made no statements regarding abilities to communicate/motor skills, etc. one way or another. I fail to see anything which may be inconsistent with what you have said. Awareness is always there, it makes no difference whether the body is alive or dead. If there is no electrical activity in the brain, the person is considered brain dead, obviously the consciousness is not. As long as there is measurable electrical activity in the brain, then obviously awareness still resides within the body.








...

One can have no awareness of anything without functioning neurons/neural pathways in the brain.


I'm all ears.....

Communication, hé?

Where the hell did such a statement come from?

Let me attempt some communication on that subject:

There's a young autistic lady who demonstrated it quite clearly, she was unable to communicate with anyone due to some very disabling motor-non-control until she managed to learn how to use a computer and mastered how to type what her AWARENESS/consciousnes was going through... she astounded everyone around! (never mind that famous physicist with his computer wheelchair...)

See?

The above quoted statement is backward: If the AWARENESS has no neural pathway to use and control to express itself, up until very recently, it was game over since communication was not possible... hence, unable to express what one's consciousness/AWARENESS was experiencing and/or knowing.

It doesn't mean that it's not there... just that it cannot be expressed comprehensibly to anyone else... think of the hard time freshly departed ghosts have of trying to communicate with their loved ones crying over their coffin... trying to tell them they are perfectly fine and happy...

Communication, hé... and the means to do it.

Which means that if the switch board (i.e. the brain) between body and "spirit"/"soul"/AWARENESS/consciousness is defective, no expression comes out into the physical; BUT, the reverse is not necessarily true: the "spirit"/"soul"/AWARENESS/consciousness does not need the body to perceive its environment... it can do so directly and do like Paula gone to Grip's library for some good reading time :)

[Carmody]

I just read a bit in an article where science is now proposing an 'absolute' (proofed) the thing I've been saying for quite a long time, which is that the minds emotional origins determine the function and actuality of intellectual musing. That emotions form intellect, and emotions protect the body FIRST and above all else. Thus the mind, is formed emotionally,and the mind will push away dangers, so in the final analysis, the unaware can sit there and not be aware that their mind has pushed them away from truth, as the truth is perceived by the emotional ego-body, as a danger, at the utmost and deepest level. Remember about 90% of us is below the conscious 'words in head' mental formation and function.

They can't see it, as the thought has not been allowed to form. Not only is this possible but it is the fundamental reality in..oh... about... 100% of all people (give or take a percentage point or two :P ).

That your own mind (remember it is a body formation projection) blocks you from discovery and investigation, it intellectually blanks you out - in it's deepest fears.

eg, that everything happening in the world right now is about maintaining the ego-body in it's position of being in charge of mind formation and thought formation. To make SURE that people remain blanked out. (blanked from intellectual awareness of true reality)

Since this thing has now been accepted as a norm, this means the FIRST group of beings that evolved naturally (as a percentage of societal and birth norms) (we will take is a given, for the moment) to be free of emotionalism blocking up their thought formation and preventing intellectual development..is ..wait for it... the sociopath.

Science has just told you that the first and original dark nasty insider is the secret society sociopath.

The businessman, the corporatist, the politician, the financer, The warrior, the killer.... the gathered elitists. And they...breed together. Hey, why not. Like goes with like, so they breed a nastier sort, generation after generation.

Another thought is that it is the final stage of the avatar, the actual adult stage. the one where the self protect emotions are put to rest.

Which, right now, less than 1-2% of us will ever get to, as this final adult stage is not recognized as even existing, by those of blocked mind. Getting past it means a rage and storm of mind/intellect growth that only those who make it past..will ever understand.

regarding the west... as long as tittes, beer, and football take center stage, humanity is a lost cause. All that crap has to go.

(side note) it seems one has to be an owner of a large sports team to be accepted by the US elitists. To be making sure that mind blocking soma exists for the sheep and cows.

To return to the subject at hand, the intellectual growth allows for a greater connectivity to the neural pathways, or energetic pathways that connect to the universe and dimensional realities that represent what we call 'psychic skills'.

The first thing that the fledgeling wizard learns, while in the act of the initial stages, is that they must burn them selves down at any and all personal costs, outside of all mentally and bodily conceivable limits...to emerge new.

[Flash]

we are on the same page. Then tell me, why did you previously ask me those "stupid" questions. Stupid because they were really not at you level of comprehension (overall comprehension, brain, heart and spirit)?


Well Flash, thus far it appears we are having a problem communicating. Let us see if we can get on the same page! First, lol, I have no intention of biting you in any way imaginable. Second of all, I have no idea who "he" or "they" are so we can let that go as well, referring to your last reply to me.

I will take this opportunity to drop the next "bombshell", with an accompanying explanation. In this explanation, I am including both the body physical and the spirit, soul aspect or better yet, for simplicity sake, I will use the word, consciousness.

First of all, the brain of itself, cannot "think". It is the neurons in the brain that receives electric thought impulses from what is called the blue corona above and surrounding the head and is part of the auric field. I know this to be a first person "fact". In my initial encounter with cosmic consciousness, that is one of the things I saw happening within and without my head, body. I saw miniature "lightening bolts" entering my head and then saw/felt those flashes as "thoughts" entering my head. Time was slowed down as I observed and felt the entire process as it happened. I observed it happening for approximately 5 minutes, give or take. It was an awesome space to be in.

Second of all, it is not just the heart or just the mind so much as it has to be a splendid combination of both. True and pure intent as I define it, includes both the heart and mind, together as one operating unit. To attempt to give more attention to one or the other is essentially separating your energies and slows the process down considerably.

The blue corona is essentially your consciousness and the neurons/neural pathways is the interface between the physical body and your consciousness. The blue corona, your consciousness, is electric high frequency light. Within those frequencies lies all knowledge, the frequencies of Christ/Buddha consciousness, God realization, God consciousness. That is one reason why it is said that the way is within you for it truly is a within you process.

So to conclude, if you are of pure intent with the whole of you and persist in your endeavors towards higher spiritual knowingness, the way will be made clear within you as the appropriate neural pathways come online which give you the ability to receive higher frequency thought, knowledge and energy.

[Sierra]

Flash, Sebastian, this is a very good thread, and I'd hate to see it go down the tubes. Can you two take it to PMs if you have to go at it? Or be a little politer ...

Thanks (yes, I know I'm a "stupid" mod for asking, that is a given )...

Sierra :focus:

[Sebastion]

Lol Sierra, I have no intentions at all of getting into any disagreement with Flash or anyone else and I certainly don't wish to see this thread go down the tubes, as it were. I have said all I wish to say currently within this thread, such as it is right now. My apologies to Flash if any affronts were perceived, because none were intended.




Flash, Sebastian, this is a very good thread, and I'd hate to see it go down the tubes. Can you two take it to PMs if you have to go at it? Or be a little politer ...

Thanks (yes, I know I'm a "stupid" mod for asking, that is a given )...

Sierra :focus:

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I liked this thread before the personal stuff started, too.
It's supposed to be about psychic experiences, not psychic skepticism...

[nomadguy]

There is a term out there that I find interesting that, >to me must be an intricate part of exceptional psychic abilities. And this is "Heart Coherence". I think this can be best represented as seamless information flow between the heart-mind and head-mind.
http://trigunamedia.com/updates/dec2011/mind-coherence.jpg
From that interaction become a whole set of extraordinary perceptions and perhaps abilities.
This is not a new discovery, hindu yogi's, monks from Tibet and people elsewhere have been teaching ways to harness these abilities for an incredibly long time. The beginning of this genesis as a human condition is lost to us. -

A few references
reference 1 (http://www.trigunamedia.com/updates/dec2011/) -
reference 2 (http://www.the-tao-of-flow.com/flow-is-heart-coherence-brain-synergy-and-body-mind-alignment-all-in-one/)

[Strat]

Gregg Braden and Heartmaths pointed this out in various videos.


I think this is the institute you're talking about http://www.heartmath.org/
I discovered this when researching the EmWave (it's a bit pricey so I hesitated buying it) after I heard Dave Asprey talking about it.

I use the EmWave nowadays and that thing is no joke. (For me) It doesn't have the same effect as meditation but it helps me focus. It literally improved my pool game because it's much easier to get in the zone.

[minkton]

carmody do you truly believe the number is as high as 1 or 2 %? Where did you get that figure from?

[Flash]

Carmody wrote: Since this thing has now been accepted as a norm, this means the FIRST group of beings that evolved naturally (as a percentage of societal and birth norms) (we will take is a given, for the moment) to be free of emotionalism blocking up their thought formation and preventing intellectual development..is ..wait for it... the sociopath.

Another thought is that it is the final stage of the avatar, the actual adult stage. the one where the self protect emotions are put to rest.

Which, right now, less than 1-2% of us will ever get to, as this final adult stage is not recognized as even existing, by those of blocked mind. Getting past it means a rage and storm of mind/intellect growth that only those who make it past..will ever understand.

To return to the subject at hand, the intellectual growth allows for a greater connectivity to the neural pathways, or energetic pathways that connect to the universe and dimensional realities that represent what we call 'psychic skills'.

The first thing that the fledgeling wizard learns, while in the act of the initial stages, is that they must burn them selves down at any and all personal costs, outside of all mentally and bodily conceivable limits...to emerge new.

I must say that my first reaction was kind of emotional, therefore not allowing the truth, a blocked mind. Then I reread and reread.

Intellectual development and burning of all bridges makes one emerge new with psychic power. Clear enough.

It seems to me that you are talking about the left path Carmody. Although the right path may be quite similar in its shape, mostly concerning emotions blocking intellectual/psychic development, what would be the similarities and differences? Yes, my terminology is conditional purposefully, because the differences may be about nil at certain development levels. But at the end, what are the differences? Are we to become all sociopaths, if we develop correctly? (goes against the psychopath monkeys that died and left out a society finally functioning for the welfare of all).

[Flash]

Carmody wrote: Since this thing has now been accepted as a norm, this means the FIRST group of beings that evolved naturally (as a percentage of societal and birth norms) (we will take is a given, for the moment) to be free of emotionalism blocking up their thought formation and preventing intellectual development..is ..wait for it... the sociopath.

Another thought is that it is the final stage of the avatar, the actual adult stage. the one where the self protect emotions are put to rest.

Which, right now, less than 1-2% of us will ever get to, as this final adult stage is not recognized as even existing, by those of blocked mind. Getting past it means a rage and storm of mind/intellect growth that only those who make it past..will ever understand.

To return to the subject at hand, the intellectual growth allows for a greater connectivity to the neural pathways, or energetic pathways that connect to the universe and dimensional realities that represent what we call 'psychic skills'.

The first thing that the fledgeling wizard learns, while in the act of the initial stages, is that they must burn them selves down at any and all personal costs, outside of all mentally and bodily conceivable limits...to emerge new.


Flash wrote: I must say that my first reaction was kind of emotional, therefore not allowing the truth, a blocked mind. Then I reread and reread.

Intellectual development and burning of all bridges makes one emerge new with psychic power. Clear enough.

It seems to me that you are talking about the left path Carmody. Although the right path may be quite similar in its shape, mostly concerning emotions blocking intellectual/psychic development, what would be the similarities and differences? Yes, my terminology is conditional purposefully, because the differences may be about nil at certain development levels. But at the end, what are the differences? Are we to become all sociopaths, if we develop correctly? (goes against the psychopath monkeys that died and left out a society finally functioning for the welfare of all).

Two somewhat contradicting thoughts came to me:

1. Is that possible that, socially speaking, the fast development of the Cabal's brain and therefore psychic abilities are balancing the slow developing of the rest of the society, as a race, altogether?

Although on a Bell curve this ought to happen, on the intelligence levels, 2% at the end or the avatar's development, as well as on the emotional intelligence scale, 2% at the end of the curve being supremely emotionally intelligent.

2. I often think that the right hand path is somewhat slightly slower in development, requiring in fact more overall abilities.

As wih a child of higher intelligence that is actually showing a 2 years delay in brain development at around 10 years old (brain neuronal pathways connectivities - proven scientifically) which is greatly compensated later on by higher intelligence/brain organisation.

Could it be the same for the right hand path of psychic and spiritual development?

Therefore, the Cabal would have an advantage earlier on, by developing faster, being on the left hand path, advantage lost when the right hand path beings end up developing as well.

Therefore the huge efforts of the Cabal to ensure the stopping of the right hand path peoples development, because they would lose their prior advantages and exploitation potential.

3. If number 2 is the case, we do have a formidable enemy to our development, through which only the strongest of the strong can go through (they have taken the advance and intent to keep it at all costs).

In this case, wouldn't that enemy in fact be unnatural?
Stopping the natural development of the avatar towards full spirituality and psychic powers, on the right hand path (as for the monkey who lost their pschopaths through sickeness and ended up with a much more enjoyable society)?

Some would say that the pain inflicted by the developed Cabal will make all of us grow up through stress, but I think that developing in joy may be as effective, although not possible as long as we have well developed arriving at their target first, sociopatic cabal. the assumption that pain leads to development might be true for left hand path, but wrong for right hand path.

It comes back to what are the differences and similarities between the two paths, left and right, of development.

[Shane]

I have been assisting people with "exceptional abilities" for at least ten years now.

In that time I have not witnessed one of them post about it in a forum or online. These people are often worried about becoming exposed and for good reason. They require protection, sad but true. Few can allow their abilities to become commonly known without suffering repercussions for this.

These abilities exist and are documented in several ways. Your YouTube Channel will disappear in a hurry if you post genuine evidence of such abilities. I can say that from observing and experiencing this. (Even one former Avalon member tried to upload and post a video if herself doing something quite exceptional, and to this day cannot secure a YouTube account. ) the abilities and technologies of those who seek to control and suppress these abilities, should not be underestimated.

If we can't "believe" or accept the experiences of others on these topics and require further evidence.. We should experiment ourselves. Employ the scientific methods ourselves . If we're waiting for an official source, we will be waiting much longer still.

Excellent and enlightening thread here. Thanks Avalon.

[Billy]

These are some people i have met many times personally. People with outstanding gifts.

Alex Orbito. A shaman/Christian Whom i met in Holland on three occasions. He put his hands inside my body leaving no marks. He physically opened my chakra's laid a crystal inside each chakra then closed all. Then a blinding light exploded in my third eye, Ecstatic, I had to be carried out. His personal story is amazing.

http://www.pyramidofasia.org/ and here.
http://www.pyramid4light.org/about/rev-alex-orbito/


Quote from Alex.
Dear Brothers and Sisters,

As humanity is entering into a new cycle, it’s important to welcome the new energies that vibrate with the heart. The Pyramid for Light has been spiritually guided from the beginning as a catalyst in this process on both an individual and collective level. Through our spiritual unity, we can all support the Earth´s transformation towards more love, light and healing for all living beings.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sister Briege Mckenna. A Catholic Nun, Whom i first met in Bosnia then again here in Scotland. Crippled with rheumatoid arthritis and in a wheelchair, She was miraculously and instantaneously healed at the age of 24. With this healing she received different spiritual abilities. Being able to see and have direct communication with Jesus, Miraculous healing towards others, Being able to see inside a person and recount all their actions in life. Whether positive or negative. (Much to the embarrassment of many Priests) She healed a child who had suffered from 90% burns on a rubbish dump in Brasil. His skin healed in a few seconds in front of peoples eyes.

I had more than one personal experience with her while in Bosnia.

http://www.catholicireland.net/the-healing-name/

Then i have other personal spiritual experiences that did not involve humans, that i find difficult to put into words.

peace


http://www.pyramidofasia.org/studies.html

Scientific Studies on efficiency treatment
Alex Orbito

During the period 2002 - 2005, Jan van Hemert, M.D., Ph.D, compiled extensive studies on the healing work of Alex Orbito. He also added foreign studies done in Canada and Germany to this research in measuring the effectiveness of the treatments done by Alex Orbito.

He scientifically documented more than 124 medical cases of people who had been treated by Alex Orbito and wrote his findings and conclusions in his Scientific Report

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The only reason i chose Alex Orbito and Sister Briege as an example for this thread is because if anyone wished to research into scientific data for more conformation, The data exists.

And it is only my personal perception as an observer that those two examples are Exceptional people with exceptional gifts.

But When you speak to those people they would both say that they are NOT exceptional and that EVERYONE has this capability within them. Or put another way. WE are ALL exceptional.

If one can afford to travel to the Philippines, Alex teaches others how to use this ability.

As Briege explained to me here. Using your imagination.

I Add. Making an effort and Using your consciousness with focused intention can manifest what we term as miracles. But to me they are not miracles but a normal manipulation of nature and matter. You can change the outcome.



Are those abilities purely psychic in nature or does the phenomenon also extend to empathic abilities?

I would say both. When you have a great understanding towards others. Being able to put yourself in others shoes and be gifted by psychic abilities your love for others assists you.

I will add that when i was with Sister Briege up a mountain at 1am in the morning i asked her how she was able to do what she done. After a pause and to my surprise she replied. Imagination is the secret Billy. Use your imagination wisely. I have done ever since that moment.

Peace

I am a nobody. Just a normal guy. But when i listened to all the advice given to me and put it into practice. Things happened. I gave this example.



i shared this experience a while back.




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3 days before the festival i decided to fast and meditate for the next 3 days. Wed to Fri. For sunshine. It was August, the festival started Sat morning. On Friday as we were erecting marque's, stalls etc in the pouring rain. With comments like, This is going to be a wash out. Will we cancel.

Sat morning arrived. It was 2hrs before opening the festival. Still raining. I went outside looking up at the grey sky and said . Ok it is time for the sun to shine.

As we opened the gates at 10am to allow people to enter. A hole appeared in the sky above us allowing A chink of sunshine. This hole grew and we were bathed in sunshine only over our village. ALL around us about a mile outside our zone in every direction it was raining. The clouds were moving but our hole in the sky stayed with us for the 3days. People were commenting that they had traveled from all over the UK and it was raining everywhere. Apart for our tiny village. On the Monday when everyone was leaving the hole closed and the rain continued.



Can i prove it. Well i did have witnesses, but was it a coincidence.

peace


I was bored with the internet this last couple of days. I asked my daughters partner if he had any DVD's i could watch. He gave me the. "What the bleep do we know" Video. I have seen it before but I watched it again last night and thought of this thread. This is a slightly shorter version than the one i watched.

Take some time out and enjoy.

We are all exceptional. Our potential is unlimited.

I love you all.




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[Chester]

Why do I share personal phenomena?

Often I stop and ask myself why am I posting what I cannot prove to anyone? What’s my intention? Is it for notoriety or perceived specialness? Or for the times, I’ve experienced during intense sad events, do I share for pity?

My head echoes with, “Wrong reason to share.” My heart echoes back, “No it’s not.”

I’ve lost count of how many post I’ve deleted because I question my intention. In that moment, it feels like an opportunity to say, “Hey, we all do this stuff!” Then, I feel vulnerable and delete.

More and more I feel it’s important for everyone to know these are ordinary tools that we’ve only forgotten. It’s time to awaken to them. And those of us that have bits and pieces, now it’s the time to come forward. It helps to trigger recall in others.

Each has the freedom of choice to accept or reject what’s true for themselves. I’d say keep an open mind. It doesn’t matter if I’m believed or not. I'll continue to live the way we are meant to live. Mine are small in comparison to the greats. But they continue to reveal because I know them to be real. I know it IS the way we are. It's time to rev up the engines.

Hearts,
Paula

Thank you for your post, Paula, because the reasons you mentioned have been part of the reasons I have posted my own psi experiences (which concerned me too).

Strangely over the last two years I have been able to recover from quite a screwed up stated (and this process is likely ongoing and perhaps well beyond this lifetime).

The place I am at now has changed and so i will state why I share about my psi experiences now.

I used to "believe" I was a special agent of "god." I drew this conclusion primarily because of all the psi phenomena I had experienced and that in many cases I played a direct role in the generation of these phenomena. Because I was raised in a culture dominated by "salvationist theology" (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), I had no other way to interpret my experiences (though I had that deep, inner doubt).

Fortunately, I recognized I was not alone in this role (which increased my doubt) so I also maintained a suspicion deep down inside that this was all total BS and thus avoided telling others "who I was."

The primary psi experience I have had over the years is that I was able to recognize massive, all but impossible odds, profound synchronicities and then I developed the talent/ability to generate the fertile ground from which these synchronicities would arise where others would be quite awed when I would point them out (careful never to raise the suspicion I played a role in this).

Most specifically because of this forum, I was able to discover alternative explanations as to why I had these experiences and why, at times, these experiences would become quite dark and destructive. One positive, physically manifested result was that I completely stopped all intake of all drugs and alcohol and began a healthy diet and took massive body cleansing actions which I 100% maintain today.

Part of my excuse for my prior usage of the particular drug, marijuana, was that it seemed to me these psi abilities increased dramatically when I accompanied my life with high quality marijuana. But what I actually discovered (and have experienced more than a dozen times in my life) is that I eventually begin to experience "voices" and other tricky phenomena which eventually lead me to some terribly self destructive actions. The last time was true, bona fide suicide attempts.

In January I will have two years perfectly clean. Though the psi phenomena completely stopped when I stopped using marijuana (Jan 2012), over time this psi ability has returned and no less profoundly than when I supplemented my life with drugs/alcohol - in fact, I can honestly say even more profoundly.

Because I have a relatively stable mind now, I am able to have these experiences where I avoid what I must call "nutty, knee jerk" interpretations of these experiences. Because of all the research I have been able to do all because of threads I came upon in this forum, I have been able to see how I was erroneous to make the initial conclusions mentioned at the beginning of this post.

About the now -

I share about my psi experiences with others who demonstrate varying degrees of open mindedness for many reasons but the main reason is my hope that others who might be in the grips of what I perceive are self destructive "constructs" where the framework for their construct is their interpretation of some religious tradition which may be based on unchallenged lies and plays a significant role in how they interpret these experiences allows for the possibility they may be making misinterpretations. It is my guess that this very process (creating false beliefs and drawing erroneous conclusions) is what is foundational to and the primary fuel behind fanaticism, especially religious fanaticism.

When we consider that third parties might possess technologies which could influence unsuspecting individuals and groups of individuals along these lines, we can see the possibilities which I will refrain from characterizing but can give an example - all apocalyptic scenarios.

It is my opinion that when others begin to open positively to their psi abilities, they then begin to have psi phenomena experiences or if they have had them, these experiences begin to increase. When someone who has had a life like mine and discovered how misinterpretation of these experiences can be destructive to others as well as can be self destructive and they then make themselves available to others who are vulnerable to making similar mistakes, perhaps that is now what motivates me to share my psi experiences as well as "what they mean" to me which turns out to have no "meaning" at all beyond the simple, metaphorical tap on the shoulder that reminds me I am part of an eternal experience where likely all is connected and where likely we all share responsibility in varying degrees as to the experiences of others.

[Sebastion]

What you have said billyji is absolutely right regarding the use of imagination and focused intent as those in tandem within you can work miracles. If you truly desire to experience something, those are "must have" tools that one uses.

I had occasion to watch one of Ramtha's seminars on film once. During the presentation, Ramtha was talking about ascension. Ramtha told the audience that they couldn't ascend and the reason why. Ramtha said "because you don't have the neurons for it". It took me a number of years to figure out what he was talking about.

[Carmody]

carmody do you truly believe the number is as high as 1 or 2 %? Where did you get that figure from?

I was trying to be polite, I did not want to have people thinking the number was so low, when it is that low. As in...notably lower. One in five to ten thousand people, depending on the demographics of the geographical area. If one looks at the 'full ride' as it were, and takes it all the way, the number (as percentage of the general population) is disturbingly low. I've gone through this as a calculation by conferring the basics of the logic with a friend and what I described, to his logic and observation, was that the number was indeed that low. The realization of the situation in the self, is key to increasing that percentage.



Carmody wrote: Since this thing has now been accepted as a norm, this means the FIRST group of beings that evolved naturally (as a percentage of societal and birth norms) (we will take is a given, for the moment) to be free of emotionalism blocking up their thought formation and preventing intellectual development..is ..wait for it... the sociopath.

Another thought is that it is the final stage of the avatar, the actual adult stage. the one where the self protect emotions are put to rest.

Which, right now, less than 1-2% of us will ever get to, as this final adult stage is not recognized as even existing, by those of blocked mind. Getting past it means a rage and storm of mind/intellect growth that only those who make it past..will ever understand.

To return to the subject at hand, the intellectual growth allows for a greater connectivity to the neural pathways, or energetic pathways that connect to the universe and dimensional realities that represent what we call 'psychic skills'.

The first thing that the fledgeling wizard learns, while in the act of the initial stages, is that they must burn them selves down at any and all personal costs, outside of all mentally and bodily conceivable limits...to emerge new.

I must say that my first reaction was kind of emotional, therefore not allowing the truth, a blocked mind. Then I reread and reread.

Intellectual development and burning of all bridges makes one emerge new with psychic power. Clear enough.

It seems to me that you are talking about the left path Carmody. Although the right path may be quite similar in its shape, mostly concerning emotions blocking intellectual/psychic development, what would be the similarities and differences? Yes, my terminology is conditional purposefully, because the differences may be about nil at certain development levels. But at the end, what are the differences? Are we to become all sociopaths, if we develop correctly? (goes against the psychopath monkeys that died and left out a society finally functioning for the welfare of all).


The 'burning of all bridges' is not specifically the only path, but it is a time honored one. The burning is a bad choice of words, and I was aware of that when I wrote it. What is really key in what I was saying, is - realization. Realization by dropping the barriers that block clarity. In most cases this involves dropping a notably high percentage of the autonomous portions of our avatar integration.

The time honored method, or path, is to come to full realization of the bumps and issues in that 'building' of the autonomous self, that we may have created as a child. If we clear the foundation of all the off-kilter filters and interpreters, then our connectivity and clarity of that connectivity is simply greater.

Intellectual reach is no longer as colored (and shifted/blocked) by emotionalism as it may have been in the past. We then can embark on building a self and projection of self that is more free from those influences. when that happens more intellectual doorways open as well as the opening of connections that exist in the given avatar - The astrological and native potentials that exist as a pre-arranged pathway/doorway.

I would expect that a larger than normal number of individuals on this forum (as compared to the general public) has a higher astrological energy number than the norm. Astrology is tied to the quantum and energetic fields that define the space/time position and flow of the solar system (as witnessed at the pressure/'standing wave' observation point of the earth) and the avatar integrations of the duality beings we call humans (and all of the earth).

There is a natural motion toward becoming and being clear, as we age, as emotional hormones, etc, all calm down. The situation seems to be playing into the idea that our 'lives' are designed to be much longer than they are right now (when we add in what is known about avatar maintenance, as a given technology via Alchemy). The advertized number of approximately 900 years, sounds about right.

Astrology of the birth and life flow of the individual is highly influential in these areas, and only when one works in such ways, to 'clear' the self, can one begin to surpass the astrological casting/forging of the formation and projection of self. This occurs, one might say, when the person is ready. It is in no way permanent, once done, but one is then trained in such matters and can either manage to stay 'clear' after the first clearing or do it in stages, or simply re-integrate (to 'fall down' as it were) after being clear. To bring 'tall tales' back from the foreign land of clarity.

As Greybeard (Chris) suggested, partial and momentary clearings are the most common (generally, such moments come to most people, at one time or another), going all the way and staying clear is the most difficult to achieve. It usually requires seclusion unless all connections to other (outside the being) are of a similar nature (the Buddhist monastery as support structure). The projection of the reality held by the bulk of humanity causes it to be difficult to 'swim' (in clarity) in such a churning sea of froth and storm.

It goes right back to that point about the experiment conducted by the scientists, who found reality forming around what they believe as a projection of and in self. I could get myself completely clear again, but that would probably require quite a bit of personal space, with no outside influences. connecting to humanity requires a certain degradation of this more ultimate clear state, and is a bit disconcerting when one is coming from a very clear state. As stories about alien integration/work with humans... have stated, humans are difficult and primitive inside, like children running rampant and out of control, with no idea what they are and are capable of.

I've covered quite a bit of this on the forum, in various places, some of it being in the lithium thread.

Since it is a time/space/flow thing, and all is connected to all, it is no wonder to me that chance begins to break down, causality breaks down, objectivity breaks down.... and things like this happen a thousand times over. One must simply turn into the slight wind that is observed ....and... make some headway. This tune is playing as I write this:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

[RunningDeer]

...perhaps that is now what motivates me to share my psi experiences as well as "what they mean" to me which turns out to have no "meaning" at all beyond the simple, metaphorical tap on the shoulder that reminds me I am part of an eternal experience where likely all is connected and where likely we all share responsibility in varying degrees as to the experiences of others.

Hi Chester,

Yes, for me, this last sentence says it all. Lived the “metaphorical tap on the shoulder” reference. It’s a fractional part of us. The phenomenon is one gateway to recall the larger perspective. Same for creativity and imagination and reflection and balanced living and community evolution and communion with the elements and all species of life, and, and...


“...we all share responsibility in varying degrees as to the experiences of others.”

I may be too focused on each word here rather than the general point you state. It depends from which perspective. (I know you know it, but for the guests I’ll continue.) Once tools, knowledge, support, and encouragement is shared, then one must step aside for the others’ chosen path to develop. Too, when each is in discovery mode, then we are all effected/changed from the gross to the sublime.

We each are responsible to keep digging for the blind spots that hold us captive from our Light. I have a sticky note that says:”I reclaim sovereignty by neutralizing implanted habits and thought patterns.”

I remind myself, patience with self and allowance for everyone to be where they are in the experiential process. It’s about our shared caring for a better world through expression of ideas which is a physical representation of Love and Co-creation in action.

I will not be surprised when the sleepy-heads catch up right quick, because it’s their time. Even though I’ve been at this for a while, they will surpass in nano-seconds. The knowledge needed will flood in perfect timing and perfectly.

And we'll all pick up speed in this game of 'toss out what’s old to make room for what it’s really about now'. All the old rules do not apply. And as soon as people figure that out, we’ll be humming along in the next phase of adventure.

Happy to see you around, Chester. :wave:

Hearts,
Paula


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/subset_zps083989a0.jpg

[minkton]

carmody , thanks for speaking more honestly. I think it helpful to delusion to do so. Self esteem not being much of an issue, then dropping delusion becomes possible and more than that, important to any sniffing out of genuine growth.

[skuzzy]

It is up to us now as when to take the step or the leap... it means us claiming ourselves and accepting without doubt that this IS OUR REALITY. Hand in hand with this goes an acceptance of responsibility for what we create.

There is the difference between white magic and black. It is an exercise of power or a joining of THE FORCE. One is profane the other sacred. Only will you KNOW when your heart is engaged.

I keep finding that whatever I do for good I know it by joy.

Not to be a bother, but are you able to expand on this a little bit? I am not trying to think of "the force" as like in star wars, but I seem to feel that this is a general concept of our reality. I think that it is possible to become one with the energy of the galaxy(or however you want to phrase it), is there any roads you can start people on looking to travel that way?

[berry]

Thank you for this, Bill!!
Exceptionally well received.
So grateful that you're out there doing what you do!!
Best,
Berry

[transiten]

Why do I share personal phenomena?

Often I stop and ask myself why am I posting what I cannot prove to anyone? What’s my intention? Is it for notoriety or perceived specialness? Or for the times, I’ve experienced during intense sad events, do I share for pity?

My head echoes with, “Wrong reason to share.” My heart echoes back, “No it’s not.”

I’ve lost count of how many post I’ve deleted because I question my intention. In that moment, it feels like an opportunity to say, “Hey, we all do this stuff!” Then, I feel vulnerable and delete.

More and more I feel it’s important for everyone to know these are ordinary tools that we’ve only forgotten. It’s time to awaken to them. And those of us that have bits and pieces, now it’s the time to come forward. It helps to trigger recall in others.

Each has the freedom of choice to accept or reject what’s true for themselves. I’d say keep an open mind. It doesn’t matter if I’m believed or not. I'll continue to live the way we are meant to live. Mine are small in comparison to the greats. But they continue to reveal because I know them to be real. I know it IS the way we are. It's time to rev up the engines.

Hearts,
Paula

Hey hey Paula:wave:

Just arrived home after 2 weeks of absence and have been thinking about our synchronicities and there you are expressing exactly the feelings i've had during all these years i've been posting very personal experiences on fora like this one!

Must rush to the dentist, see you around:wave:

[Roisin]

Deleted what I had here before and I will continue to enjoy the conversation that's going on in this thread. Learning a few new things too and, as always, I'm amazed at how informed members here at PA are on those topics that are being talked about here.

[Chester]

And here is a great example of synchronicity (my personal psi specialty) -

I discovered the latest Bases interview (Bases 32) on the very day Miles put it up on YouTube. But I did not listen to it until last night. The interviewee is a gentleman named Joshua Patrick.

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At around the 24 minute mark Joshua discusses synchronicity and communicates the same conclusion I have derived from my own experiences about this phenomena - especially as this might relate to "aliens" and perhaps "demons" (Archons), Ascended Masters, "God," and "Gods," etc.

If we consider the conclusions of Tom Campbell along with Joshua's views about these types of phenomena, then we can consider our own role in the manifestation of such phenomena.

Doesn't this then suggest our potential responsibility (or at least shared responsibility) in how these phenomena effect our individual and collective experiences?

Because I have adopted the likelihood that I have some (if not full) responsibility as to all my experiences, I have noticed a massive and profound change in my life experience - and the best word I can come up with to describe my life experience now is the word - "enriched."

[Delight]

This is a very valuable discussion about the issue of self development of the science behind the "exceptional abilities" versus allowing another to be the conduit for these abilities.

This experiencer had an intimate relationship with Sai Baba including sexual contact. In 5 interviews he saw both amazing and "exceptional" abilities alongside manipulative trickery and abuse.

Paraphrase from the video: It is a set up sucking the power away and controling people in this kind of relationship. It is a deal struck energetically.

" I was not aware that it was a deal .... I was not able to see beyond my victimization...in the end.... you only loose....You get more sensitive...but you are completely dependent on the (guru)...A powerful being unable to live up to his advertisement that he is a liberator, he is an enslaver"

If you watch the video, I think he is talking about "Ramtha" as his teacher now.

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Alan Steinfeld interviews Ullrich Zimmermann who is a student at the Ramtha School of Enlightenment.

http://blip.tv/rabbit-hole-central/divine-sex-or-earthly-abuse-pt-1-128860

Here is the second part of the interview with Ullrich Zimmerman about contact with Sai Baba

http://blip.tv/rabbit-hole-central/divine-blessing-or-earthly-abuse-pt-2-131321

This is the best part for me.... He realized that he had been lifted up by the Guru in return for total focus devotion comes through Sai Baba...abilities hooked to the guru. This acknowledges that there these abilities exist but may not be liberating if one becomes a "powerful battery" used as a feeder (a paraphrase from the video)..

http://blip.tv/rabbit-hole-central/divine-blessings-or-earthly-abuse-pt-3-131665



Divine Blessings or Earthly Abuse? pt 3

Part three of interview by Alan Steinfeld with Ullrich Zimmermann on his sexual encounters with Satya Sai Baba and subsequent spiritual experiences. A study into the Great Work, the God Within and the problematic role of the Guru.

[grapevine]

This thread is moving quicker than I can read it, so apologies if this has already been added.

Here is a link to "5 technologies that will plug the internet straight into your brain". It's quite a large file with many videos covering:
1. Computer aided telepathy
2. The internet feels like this
3. Meatware, meat Hardware
4. Cyborg brains for all
5. A Dreamcatcher, literally
http://www.dvice.com/archives/2012/01/5_technologies.php

Maybe exceptional psychic abilities for all are a mere "click" away . . .

[minkton]

If you opt for guruyoga as your path, you should find out what guruyoga involves, and withstand the complaints of ego that will feel ousted and threatened and will wriggle and writhe to get supremacy over your guru, and seperate you from the path to liberation.. because its a liberation from ego, ie the very thing that seeks to cling to you and dislikes your guru intensely.
Guruyoga is path of the heart, involving a cultivation of devotion. When you see nitpicking of the guru and egoic disgruntlement, you know the adept is acting out against the path they chose, and have shifted from heart to head.

Most of us are not aware of the deals we have made. They are made unconsciously. Becoming one with a guru means you share in their extended consciousness. To gripe that you cant break off a piece of this consciousness and take it away, as an adept..well, it is our personal responsibility to understand our own path and the commitments required. Rush in idealistically, extensively gripe later..a sad and familiar pattern.

[Agape]

If you opt for guruyoga as your path, you should find out what guruyoga involves, and withstand the complaints of ego that will feel ousted and threatened and will wriggle and writhe to get supremacy over your guru, and seperate you from the path to liberation.. because its a liberation from ego, ie the very thing that seeks to cling to you and dislikes your guru intensely.
Guruyoga is path of the heart, involving a cultivation of devotion. When you see nitpicking of the guru and egoic disgruntlement, you know the adept is acting out against the path they chose, and have shifted from heart to head.

Most of us are not aware of the deals we have made. They are made unconsciously. Becoming one with a guru means you share in their extended consciousness. To gripe that you cant break off a piece of this consciousness and take it away, as an adept..well, it is our personal responsibility to understand our own path and the commitments required. Rush in idealistically, extensively gripe later..a sad and familiar pattern.



When there were real relationships between Masters and Students , mostly on individual base since calling your TV ''Guru'' is big proliferation of term ,
adopted by western cultures and media
and transplanted back to its original cultures so that nowadays many people have a real big mess of it ,

there was no need for 'Guru worship' and 'Guru Yoga' .

Likely , every form of authentic practise becomes institutionalised when it looses its original form and meaning .

It's not any new as we know , so also every form of corruption is old as mankind itself .

Even thousands of years ago, there were people who sold 'Dharma' for money or simply gave away blessings and truth to other people who could afford to pay for it,

even though, from strictly Dharma point of view , this is intolerable ethical mistake .

With centuries, the same corruption continued and evolved in many ways,
golden images replaced wisdom, gurus, gods ,
gold itself is now being claimed as easy way to enlightenment ..


No doubts authentic yogis , Buddhas and other Masters refused to associate themselves with any form of idol worship and threw away all material possessions more often than otherwise .



From Lao'tze :


When the Way is forgotten

Duty and justice appear;

Then knowledge and wisdom are born

Along with hypocrisy.

When harmonious relationships dissolve

Then respect and devotion arise;

When a nation falls to chaos

Then loyalty and patriotism are born.


http://www.taoteching.cn/index.php/chapter-18-hypocrisy/



:angel:

[minkton]

Guruyoga isnt teacher and student. Its called guruyoga. A path of devotion.

Burn yourself down, as carmody put it, by giving yourself over to the guru.

Deciding that a guru is too powerful, is a decision of the ego. Either you listen to your ego , or your guru.

One is the path of liberation, the other is perfectly mundane. Worship is a great practice, when managed well. Humility and heart grows from it.

The person that benefits from cultivating devotion, is the cultivator. Ego is diminished in the process and will try to drive you into relationships where you will "feel more equal".. in other words, where ego is comfy in its throne.

There is no guruyoga discussed in taoist texts.

[Chester]

I make one bet - I bet on the vibrant, energetic expression of life.

I live my life expressing my gratitude for life.

I know life has its absurdities, but I still bet on life and give my all in honoring this gift of life.

It is my opinion that at each and every new moment are infinite possibilities and that one of those possibilities expresses life better than all the rest.

I seek to be part of that very best next moment.

I do not cast out perceived outcomes (I do not perform intentional magic as one man's white magic may be another man's black). I do throw forth my honest emotion from my heart. I leave the result up to the wisdom behind magnificently expressed life.

I make the odds high that those who do this will experience robust, invigorating life eternally.

I hope I see you there.

[Chester]

Guruyoga isnt teacher and student. Its called guruyoga. A path of devotion.

Burn yourself down, as carmody put it, by giving yourself over to the guru.

Deciding that a guru is too powerful, is a decision of the ego. Either you listen to your ego , or your guru.

One is the path of liberation, the other is perfectly mundane. Worship is a great practice, when managed well. Humility and heart grows from it.

The person that benefits from cultivating devotion, is the cultivator. Ego is diminished in the process and will try to drive you into relationships where you will "feel more equal".. in other words, where ego is comfy in its throne.

There is no guruyoga discussed in taoist texts.

I found the guru within through the Tao. That guru has no agenda.

[Roisin]

This thread is moving quicker than I can read it, so apologies if this has already been added.

Here is a link to "5 technologies that will plug the internet straight into your brain". It's quite a large file with many videos covering:
1. Computer aided telepathy
2. The internet feels like this
3. Meatware, meat Hardware
4. Cyborg brains for all
5. A Dreamcatcher, literally
http://www.dvice.com/archives/2012/01/5_technologies.php

Maybe exceptional psychic abilities for all are a mere "click" away . . .

I found the Dreamcatcher technology most impressive because it bears some resemblance to the kinds of results I get sometimes in my own work in cross-dimensional/paranormal photography.

Here's that You Tube video showing the kinds of results scientists were getting 2 years ago using this technology. What it does is translate whatever visual information we are "seeing" in our mind via what we are seeing at that time with our eyes into photographic data/information that's projected and seen on a computer monitor. This is really mind boggling stuff but someone on You Tube said:
togiff 1 month ago
The US government already has a weapon that can decode all the signals in the brain and body, with far greater clarity than this. The system has full HD video signals, can see the signals in the neurons in your eyes, visual cortex, audio cortex, read emotions, memories, of dormant and active memory. They use this to spy on us, they call it NSA Remote Neural Monitoring and Electronic Brain Link. Also does remote nerve/brain stimulation. link: oregonstatehospital. net/d/russelltice-nsarnmebl.ht­ml



I personally think that's true.
Here's that video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjDnYxJ0bo

[Carmody]

When the Way is forgotten

Duty and justice appear;

Then knowledge and wisdom are born

Along with hypocrisy.

When harmonious relationships dissolve

Then respect and devotion arise;

When a nation falls to chaos

Then loyalty and patriotism are born.


http://www.taoteching.cn/index.php/chapter-18-hypocrisy/



:angel:

Now that...... is America (and western life, overall) in a nutshell.

[minkton]

Guruyoga isnt teacher and student. Its called guruyoga. A path of devotion.

Burn yourself down, as carmody put it, by giving yourself over to the guru.

Deciding that a guru is too powerful, is a decision of the ego. Either you listen to your ego , or your guru.

One is the path of liberation, the other is perfectly mundane. Worship is a great practice, when managed well. Humility and heart grows from it.

The person that benefits from cultivating devotion, is the cultivator. Ego is diminished in the process and will try to drive you into relationships where you will "feel more equal".. in other words, where ego is comfy in its throne.

There is no guruyoga discussed in taoist texts.

I found the guru within through the Tao. That guru has no agenda.

True, there are no guru's in taoism, it is a different discipline entirely and doesnt employ the same terminology. There is no 'enlightenment' concept within taoism or the tao. It is about simply being. ( so much more easily said than done.)

This thread was more about gaining extra powers.. which in taoism would involve immortality practices, for which one would need to be an exceptional adept to a high level master... who is also an immortal.

I'm interested to know how you can have a guru with no agenda.. what is the work or purpose of a guru, without any path to walk? How do you plan to evolve.. or .. no plan to evolve.... due to no agenda? Do explain please! thankyu.

I have always felt that what you do with a guru, is seek to progress.

[Carmody]

I have been assisting people with "exceptional abilities" for at least ten years now.

In that time I have not witnessed one of them post about it in a forum or online. These people are often worried about becoming exposed and for good reason. They require protection, sad but true. Few can allow their abilities to become commonly known without suffering repercussions for this.

These abilities exist and are documented in several ways. Your YouTube Channel will disappear in a hurry if you post genuine evidence of such abilities. I can say that from observing and experiencing this. (Even one former Avalon member tried to upload and post a video if herself doing something quite exceptional, and to this day cannot secure a YouTube account. ) the abilities and technologies of those who seek to control and suppress these abilities, should not be underestimated.

If we can't "believe" or accept the experiences of others on these topics and require further evidence.. We should experiment ourselves. Employ the scientific methods ourselves . If we're waiting for an official source, we will be waiting much longer still.

Excellent and enlightening thread here. Thanks Avalon.

The meat of this post cannot be stressed enough.

The attacks and observation, the PRICE of sharing is very high.

And to have the ignorant come to this thread and give me a hard time, all due to their projected willful ignorance, is a brutal slap in the face. But, I knew that going in.

Two things end up being suffered by those who share:

The animal in the human, projection violence and ignorance at the capable, in effect they do the elite's job for them, blocking humanity's progression.

The elite becoming aware of the given capable person and the capable person suffering much, for it.

What price, your freedom?

Should I give a damn?

[Agape]

Guruyoga isnt teacher and student. Its called guruyoga. A path of devotion.

Burn yourself down, as carmody put it, by giving yourself over to the guru.

Deciding that a guru is too powerful, is a decision of the ego. Either you listen to your ego , or your guru.

One is the path of liberation, the other is perfectly mundane. Worship is a great practice, when managed well. Humility and heart grows from it.

The person that benefits from cultivating devotion, is the cultivator. Ego is diminished in the process and will try to drive you into relationships where you will "feel more equal".. in other words, where ego is comfy in its throne.

There is no guruyoga discussed in taoist texts.


Minkton , I can agree on the core meaning with you wholeheartedly but people should be very careful with choosing their guru and practise , especially nowadays and you will possibly agree that they should get informed . Before following something just because it's either a common custom in their society, or certain circles of society and everyone does it .


Guru-yoga means unity with your teacher, so no , without Master ( the word Guru comes from Sanskrit roots Gu- as in guhya - what is hidden , and Ru- light , one who dispels darkness or points out hidden meaning ) and Student , there is no guru yoga, since everything is relative .

In Hindu shastras there is hardly any separate yoga ( Yoga again comes from the root -yog meaning Unity and is defined as indivisible oneness , Yoga = chitta vritti nirodha , Unity is achieved by cessation of motion and transformation of the mind , which is both Path and the Resultant State ) called guruyoga ,
there is rather guru-pad , or 'guru path' , following the teachings of your chosen teacher .

There are 4 Yogas traditionally defined in Bhagavadgita and other scriptures that go by the names Jnanayoga ( Path of Knowledge ) , Bhaktiyoga ( Path of Devotion ), Karma Yoga ( Path of Selfless Service ) and Raja Yoga ( where Raja means King , and it's understood as path of meditation /samadhi , which covers all long way of Hatha Yoga, Pranayama, Pranayoga, Dhyana ( meditation ) and Samadhis ( contemplative insights which finally lead to enlightenment ) ,
those all are /were indispensable without personal guidance of guru , teacher, master, and yes in Hindu tradition where from all this history comes ,
Guru is more than a God .. because he can teach in human ways ,
Guru is more noble , more kind than Mother, more knowledgable than Father and the Best Friend , and source of all powers together .

Guruyoga was translated to other than Hindu traditions together with mostly, Buddhist texts as a core necessity to stress to people that no scriptural practise alone is sufficient without Guru-diksha ( initiation , empowerment ) and guidance of qualified master .

Where Lao'tze is concerned, he lived at about the same time in China as Buddha Shakyamuni lived in India ,

and despite common believes .. he did not establish Taoism , he would be probably very much against people calling themselves 'taoists' .
He was an advisor to an Emperor ( so his Guru in fact and the path of master-disciple was certainly not unknown long before both of these people ) and very controversial master of his own flavour who was at the end , very fed up with being followed by the court spies even if he had received one of the highest privileges available in the state, including free drinks in every pub he frequented ,

anyway, on his last attempt to cross borders of the Empire to live in peace in desolated and vast mountains of Tibet .. in disguise of drunken beggar on yak, he was caught by the guards and spies and forced to write down the summary of his wisdom in verses whichever came to be known as the Book about Tao and the Way ..


It clearly shows that there was a Way ..before and after Lao'tze..



;)

[Flash]

I have been assisting people with "exceptional abilities" for at least ten years now.

In that time I have not witnessed one of them post about it in a forum or online. These people are often worried about becoming exposed and for good reason. They require protection, sad but true. Few can allow their abilities to become commonly known without suffering repercussions for this.

These abilities exist and are documented in several ways. Your YouTube Channel will disappear in a hurry if you post genuine evidence of such abilities. I can say that from observing and experiencing this. (Even one former Avalon member tried to upload and post a video if herself doing something quite exceptional, and to this day cannot secure a YouTube account. ) the abilities and technologies of those who seek to control and suppress these abilities, should not be underestimated.

If we can't "believe" or accept the experiences of others on these topics and require further evidence.. We should experiment ourselves. Employ the scientific methods ourselves . If we're waiting for an official source, we will be waiting much longer still.

Excellent and enlightening thread here. Thanks Avalon.

The meat of this post cannot be stressed enough.

The attacks and observation, the PRICE of sharing is very high.

And to have the ignorant come to this thread and give me a hard time, all due to their projected willful ignorance, is a brutal slap in the face. But, I knew that going in.

Two things end up being suffered by those who share:

The animal in the human, projection violence and ignorance at the capable, in effect they do the elite's job for them, blocking humanity's progression.

The elite becoming aware of the given capable person and the capable person suffering much, for it.

What price, your freedom?

Should I give a damn?

Thank you for giving a damn Carmody.


in effect they do the elite's job for them, blocking humanity's progression

This is very important. Most think they are intelligent and try to prove it while they are the dumies the elite counts on. I have seen it at all levels of society, again and again, such as a scientist explaining how to lauch rockets (a friend here) being laugh at - well, he is a real "rocket scientist" or that other one telling me about microwaves impact on the developing cell, well, he dedicated his life to microwaves.... duh.... or the spiritual teacher who never ever showed any ego, being hated for having refused to get into someone's game, or....

The worst part of it is not only being observed and noticed by the elite, being slapped in the face by other citizens, but the worst part is, I think, the loneliness. This is a very lonely path. Because of those making the work for the elite.

[Roisin]

Carmody

There's another reason too.... there are those out there who are extremely competitive and they have personal issues with those who give proof of their exceptional abilities especially when they themselves either really don't have those same abilities at the level the other person does or they are unable to give proof and evidence of whatever it is they can do. But for the ones who are like that, I know from personal experience that if they are practicing various psychic attack rituals and are able to 'send' via their intention a passel of those phantoms that they are attached to as a result of those practices, they will send them to that person who they are competing with and cause them to have ongoing psychic attacks. Jealousy plays a big role in this type of situation.

I personally have experienced this myself so I know what I'm talking about and the ones that do that will even sometimes boast about it.

So it's much better for those who do demo's and have proof and evidence of their abilities to show and talk about that in a private venue as opposed to a public one.

Anytime you show that kind of information publically, you are exposing yourself to psychic attacks by those type of people I mentioned above.

But if you are only talking about what you can do, usually those ones don't care and will leave you alone. Only when you show proof and the stronger the proof, the more they will try to inundate you with their phantoms.

On the other hand, even if you are only talking about your exceptional abilities, if everyone in the forum is believing and taking your word for it that you can do it, there's a chance those ones I mentioned above will cause you to experience psychic attacks. Every situation is different and everyone is taking a risk when they are publically talking about their abilities... even without showing any proof.

[Chester]

I'm interested to know how you can have a guru with no agenda.. what is the work or purpose of a guru, without any path to walk?


That was precisely the point and you nailed it!

As Krishnamurti said, "Truth is a pathless land."


How do you plan to evolve.. or .. no plan to evolve.... due to no agenda? Do explain please! thankyu.

I have always felt that what you do with a guru, is seek to progress.

Yep.

[LahTera]

I was bored with the internet this last couple of days. I asked my daughters partner if he had any DVD's i could watch. He gave me the. "What the bleep do we know" Video. I have seen it before but I watched it again last night and thought of this thread. This is a slightly shorter version than the one i watched.

I love What the Bleep Down the Rabbit Hole. :)

[LahTera]

I found the Dreamcatcher technology most impressive because it bears some resemblance to the kinds of results I get sometimes in my own work in cross-dimensional/paranormal photography.

Here's that You Tube video showing the kinds of results scientists were getting 2 years ago using this technology. What it does is translate whatever visual information we are "seeing" in our mind via what we are seeing at that time with our eyes into photographic data/information that's projected and seen on a computer monitor. This is really mind boggling stuff but someone on You Tube said:
togiff 1 month ago
The US government already has a weapon that can decode all the signals in the brain and body, with far greater clarity than this. The system has full HD video signals, can see the signals in the neurons in your eyes, visual cortex, audio cortex, read emotions, memories, of dormant and active memory. They use this to spy on us, they call it NSA Remote Neural Monitoring and Electronic Brain Link. Also does remote nerve/brain stimulation. link: oregonstatehospital. net/d/russelltice-nsarnmebl.ht­ml



I personally think that's true.
Here's that video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjDnYxJ0bo

I've read about these things on some science sites. Pretty amazing, and it gives me hope that we're figuring things out.