Avalon member c0rv0 interviewed by Eve Lorgen last night (4 October)

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear Friends,

This is a good introduction to new Avalon member c0rv0 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?19505-c0rv0), whom I know personally, having enjoyed a large pizza with him at the Brussels Groundcrew conference in October 2009. He's a very good man, with some fascinating experience and perspectives, and (as with many others!) we're lucky to have him here with us on the forum.

He's being interviewed by researcher Eve Lorgen tonight (4 October). Details here:

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Alien Apocolypse with Corvo and Eve Lorgen
Live Friday October 4

Illuminating the Shadowland with Sienna Lea
http://stealingthemoon.com

Friday 9-10pm PST, Truth Frequency Radio
Listen Live (http://stealingthemoon.us7.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=76286877903e74757da99c5ef&id=3f025c1cbf&e=43b1757092)

October 4th, Eve Lorgen and Sienna Lea interview her colleague Corvo. He is an amazing author and researcher in the area of Ufology, Extraterrestrial Encounters, the Abduction Phenomenon and the Occult, and recently released the book Alien Apocalypse.

http://prezi.com/fdoowhztnt-p/alien-apocalypse

Corvo offers a unique perspective on the future of Mankind. The key points of Alien Apocalypse we dive into are:


The influence of non-human entities is not a modern idea, but rather a curious fixation of mankind for millennia
Nowadays it is manifested in the form of our “friends ET” and/or “celestial entities” like the “Holy Virgin Mary” that release ideologically consistent messages.
The behavior of these entities, the number of contacts and paranormal phenomena are inconsistent with extraterrestrial hypothesis.
The hypothesis of the origin of these other dimensional entities is supported by numerous witnesses cited in the book.
The existence of a multi-dimensional universe is theorized by physics with the theory or M-theory.
The messages of these beings relate to a series of “coming” disasters, such as “The Event”, meteors, three days of darkness, global wars, etc.
The mythical stories of those disasters are consistent with the narrative of the “hybrids” as the next-generation of humankind.
After which there will be the coming of a “millennial kingdom”.
The beings act like vampires. The interest of these EME’s is to establish a feeding field.
Human organizations in our history have tried to fight and/or establish a “devilish pact” with them.


Corvo has a presentation that you can view that pertains to many points he speaks about in this radio interview with Eve Lorgan and Sienna Lea, on Illuminating the Shadowland, Friday 9 pm Pacific Time, October 4, 2013 on Truth Frequency Radio. (Episode 15 & 16)

http://prezi.com/fdoowhztnt-p/alien-apocalypse

(Part 2 will be aired on Friday October 11, 2013 9 pm Pacific Time.)
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[Bill Ryan]

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Corvo (c0rvo (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?19505-c0rv0)) has done a written interview with Eve Lorgen, here -- posted on 28 July 2013:

http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/alien-abduction/interview-with-giuseppe-platonia-author-of-aliene-apocalypse

And he's also written to me privately:


I have some "insider" information to share with this community regarding coming events.
I'll post more in the next days. He's written here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63528-The-NWO-Plan-in-3-minutes-58-seconds&p=732571&viewfull=1#post732571) that "a storm is coming" (and supports my encouragement to all to be prepared). I look forward very much to hearing more from him here on the forum.

[c0rv0]

Thanks for your kind introduction Bill,
I will be happy to answer in this thread to any questions regarding the interview content.

[4evrneo]

Very interesting read of the interview. Welcome c0rv0!

The biggest question that comes to mind is, what can you tell us about the area's that are or will be most affected for these coming events. I have an intuitive sense to stay put in Arizona although I am not absolutely certain.

Another question is regarding the Marion visitations, are you suggesting that "all" connections to Mary are actually the EME's?

Appreciate your feedback.

[c0rv0]

Thanks for the question.
The events described by the EME (a term that include so-called ET and "celestial being") describes 2 main timelines.
- timeline 2: the anglo-sasson mission
- timeline 3: the return of the gods
It is important to consider that the EME agenda is based on disinformation and deception. This mean that a part, maybe a big chunk of the following is deliberately false.
timeline 3: the return of the gods
The series of "apocalyptic" events in the timeline 3 start with WWIII, followed by a a cosmic event called "the Warning" and finally another cosmic event that include a cosmic body falling in the Atlantic ocean and provoking a huge wave. After that they will descend to establish a new kingdom of the gods.
I have a series of maps with a list of places nominated that I will publish in the next days.
So far the narrative of the EMEs. I don't promote it, I'm only pointing out that this is consistent across 260 cases that I cover in the book.

To your second question: I don't like generalizations so for sure not "all" the possible cases. But in the one that I have investigated in deep is a this series of commonalities with phenomena like ET, Demons, Angels, fairies, etc.
as John A. Keel says in "UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse"
"The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon..."

[norman]

Hour 1 available here:
https://app.box.com/s/r562v9psbduohhqxolnd


[updated link]

[chocolate]

norman, I can't open the link?

[Billy]

Can someone post a direct link to the radio interview please. My dongle connection is very slow and after waiting some time, Normans link only goes to a Log In Page.

Many Thanks

EDIT update. I traveled to the Post office and after some searching found a direct link to the first part of the interview. here.




http://truthfrequencyradio.com/podcasts/illuminatingtheshadowland/illuminatingtheshadowland.2013-10-04.mp3

downloading now then i can listen later.

[deridan]

The influence of non-human entities is not a modern idea, but rather a curious fixation of mankind for millennia
Nowadays it is manifested in the form of our “friends ET” and/or “celestial entities” like the “Holy Virgin Mary” that release ideologically consistent messages.
The behavior of these entities, the number of contacts and paranormal phenomena are inconsistent with extraterrestrial hypothesis.
The hypothesis of the origin of these other dimensional entities is supported by numerous witnesses cited in the book.
The existence of a multi-dimensional universe is theorized by physics with the theory or M-theory.
The messages of these beings relate to a series of “coming” disasters, such as “The Event”, meteors, three days of darkness, global wars, etc.
The mythical stories of those disasters are consistent with the narrative of the “hybrids” as the next-generation of humankind.
After which there will be the coming of a “millennial kingdom”.
The beings act like vampires. The interest of these EME’s is to establish a feeding field.
Human organizations in our history have tried to fight and/or establish a “devilish pact” with them.

yes for millenia, ....... consistent ideological messages, yes agree,
3&4 ..hmmm,
5, so-how these other dimensional entities are on some other vibratory level
event,
hybrids consistent with post event milling

it can be said that humankind is on an unviable path, the only thing which has changed this path considerably in the past is war,
how to gain traction on a new path without war?

if these entities have this ability [/& desire to create a feeding field],
why not have done it by now?
{a DC gotten hypothesis, that parallel dimensions manifest when the present is most close to it in substance, so than logically, before there is the inrushing to take over, mankind would have had to have been freshh from an apocalytic disaster}
---then i find it interesting taht in last point this man gets to the current spir-side battle men engages with, some going with pacts others opposing by channeling anti-entities,

,interesting, I could see a story in these points,,,,let's hope good forthe person and their message

[Billy]

Ok i have listened to the 1st interview. Well done Corvo, sometimes it was difficult to hear you well. but all in all your "Theory that you have composed", (Using your own words here) came over really well.

Lordy i have so many questions. I will ask them slowly and with great respect.

As you know Corvo i also visited Medjugorje in Bosnia where Mother Mary was appearing to six young children, My first of many visits was in 1985. My experience with Mother Mary was very positive. And still is today. But by the time the war broke out in 1991 i was disgusted at what had become off Medjugorje the place. I suppose as to be expected commercialism had set in. The Croation Mafia had infiltrated, And in my opinion the positive messages that Mother Mary was giving were not being listened to. Money was pouring into Medjugorje and was staying there, Serbs were hated and Bosnian Muslims were hated. And this was not the message Mother Mary gave. The message that made me curious to visit was this.

Quote: "In God there is no religion. Religion is man made and brings division. There is no division in God. But please respect all religions". End Quote

And although i was not a Catholic. I agreed with this message.

Corvo you said in the interview that the message that comes from those entities are the same. Whether from An ET, Demons, Angels, fairies, The message or a warning of some Apocalyptic agenda is the same.

My experience with Mother Mary in Medjugorje, Having read ALL of her messages over the last 32 yrs, is that to date there has been NO MESSAGES of an Apocalyptic nature. Non whatsoever. She did say at the beginning that wars could be averted by prayer and fasting.

Whether the secrets which have yet to still be revealed have an Apocalyptic message within them, As yet we do not know. And no one knows apart from the six visionaries who they have been revealed to. I spoke with the visionaries and was told that some of the secrets are negative and others positive. And that by prayer and fasting. (using consciousness and the body with focused intentions). That the negative secrets to be revealed could be lessened or not happen at all. Again i agreed.

So my first question to you Corvo.

Can you show just one message from Mother Mary in Medjugorje that has an Apocalyptic warning or Agenda.

With respect

peace

[Gardener]

I have just listened to the interview thank you. I found it very good, and mostly agree. I say mostly because I will need to listen again at finer detail. Looking forward to next week. :)
We are food until we grow out of fear and knee jerk reaction, when we stop believing lies, and when we see manipulation in all its forms. Oh and ritual and hierarchy are part of the signature.

It is interesting in John Keel's book 'operation Trojan Horse' (and later reported by Richard Dolan) that the early 'visitations' conformed to mans imagination at that time.

[c0rv0]

if these entities have this ability [/& desire to create a feeding field],
why not have done it by now?

"for thousands of years and within every known human culture, normal individuals
have reported brief and often repeated "visitations" by humanoid phenomena whose presence produced permanent changes within the psychological organization of the experiment. When these phenomena were labeled as deities the "messages" were employed to initiate religious movements that changed the social fabric of society."

Jacques Vallee

They are doing it all the time.
By creating religions, cults, even political systems.
In a case reported by the abductee Ken Bakeman (see http://www.kenbakeman.com/reptilian_index.html) a "reptilian" EME says that the Confederate States of America was his idea to have a private feeding field.
In the book I report in an extensive matter on the occult links of nazi Germany (this is accepted also in main stream political science, e.g. see http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_e_il_nazismo_magico) that, in my opinion, is a perfect example of a political system with ontopolitics goals.
So what is different NOW?
Many human traditions report of different age of the gods in some of them they are physically presented on the planet, then they leave, promising to return. The book proposes the "Dimensional Dialectic Hypothesis" to link this concept with modern physics.

[c0rv0]

Can you show just one message from Mother Mary in Medjugorje that has an Apocalyptic warning or Agenda.

Thanks for the question. I need to point out that I'm not anti christian nor anti catholic neither anti anything. I have great respect for everybody ideas.
assumed this I feel the need to investigate the matter with a sober mind: the fact that people experienced "full love and intense light" is only an indicator that they are able to project this feeling. And they do it all the time. So is not the form what matter, is not the feeling rather what they do and the underlining message.

now to your question, I know many messages of this type but this is the first that comes to my mind:
“…I invite you to renunciation for nine days so that with your help everything I wanted to realize through the secrets I began in Fatima may be fulfilled…”
August 25, 1991

bold mine.
Following my research Fatima is direct linked with the apocalyptic Timeline 3.
Furthermore the "10 secrets" per se are a questionable tool for a (supposed) divine entity that should know how human psyche works and that the secret itself is a source of mental illness (cr. "religione e neuroscienze" Aldo Natale Terrin). This secrecy policy has provoked speculation and curiosity regarding the nature of those secrets.
However in other apparition cases those "secrets" were progressively released to form the narrative I described above. One of the most interesting is the "Virgin of Anguera" in Brasil (cfr http://www.pedroregis.com/english/)
that with the "Madonna del Pino" in Italy (cfr http://www.madonnadelpino.altervista.org/) claims to be linked to both Medj. and Fatima. In those cases we have predictions that we can check, some of them very hard to be made like that a pope would go in exile and we would have 2 popes on the same time.
This was published in 2010.

[c0rv0]

ritual and hierarchy are part of the signature.

They are part of the signature of a certain EME faction. Others factions uses different strategies. They are very flexible and able to change to adapt to our credos: if for example somebody believes that each form of hierarchical organization is bad they will create a chaos dogma to keep him poisoner again.
So how protect our-self?
Ancient mysticism is an invaluable tool here the Advaita Vedanta (cfr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivekachudamani) proposes the concepts of Viveka (discernment) and Vairagya (detachment). but in our western world the spiritual tradition has been suppressed and this is not the responsibility of a church, rather from the rationalism that came as a consequence from the "Age of Enlightenment". Now this dis-empowering from our spiritual roots is the signature of another faction of EME. They promote (apparently) absolute freedom and our world today is a result of their victory.

[Delight]

the "10 secrets" per se are a questionable tool for a (supposed) divine entity that should know how human psyche works and that the secret itself is a source of mental illness (cr. "religione e neuroscienze" Aldo Natale Terrin).


Thank you for answering questions.
I am not sure I understand what is meant in the quote? The secret is a 'source' of mental illness...does that mean would CAUSE mental illness? I could not find anything in English about the source you have in parentheses.
Thank you again for the responses.

[c0rv0]

As I posted above the case of Anguera is of interest because gives precise indications of events versus "secrets" that let space to speculations.
In the book I analyzed 25 years of messages and discovered that the prophetic part is concentrated between 2005 and 2010.
Before and after the messages are focusing on general invitation to be ready and to pray.
The name of the locations has been extracted and put on a series of maps. Here some of them.

The maps are published for your discernment: this author is NOT endorsing this scenario, rather pointing out that has a consistency across the cases discussed in the book

This is a world wide overview:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/panoramica%20mondiale.png

WWIII Maps
the war involves a Russian invasion of Europe in 3 fronts of attack. For you consideration this prediction was made during the years of the "reset" between Russia and NATO.

overview Europe
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/impato%20onda%20in%20europa%20occidentale.png


South Europe
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/fronte%20Sud.png

Celestial body impact

location of main impact
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/oceano_Impatto.png
a simulation indicate that the generated Tsunami wave amplitude on the brasilian coast would be between: 96.2 meters ( = 316.0 feet) and 192.0 meters ( = 631.0 feet). In North Atlantic the calculated Tsunami wave amplitude would be between: 28.1 meters ( = 92.1 feet) and 56.1 meters ( = 184.0 feet).

location of a secondary impact
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/westUSA.png


for the Tsunami effect in Europe see the blue lines in the map above.

[sigma6]

Listened to the call with great fascination... wasn't sure if I was picking up everything you were saying though... My position on the Vatican is that it has always been a Satanic political cult operated like a Mafia, a continuation of Roman culture itself. It's flourishing, the very sign and seal of why we as a planet deserve no mercy for such folly, and the latest pope is nothing more than damage control. I remember watching a video saying that the last emperor of Rome transferred his power to the first pope of the Vatican (around 600ish AD?) And since then it has been nothing more then a font of mind control propaganda and political agenda, wholly separate from the issue of "Christ" or "Christ consciousness" or spirit or the many other terms associated with this principle. A Jew told me that the Torah is not at like our OT, which itself has elements lifted from Mesopotamia and Sumerian literature. The Bible therefore appears to be summation, or coles notes summary of many past cultures, a collage of many cultural superimpositions. An object of our "projections" as you say... Just sharing my opinion where I stand (no offence to anyone...) This is not to say that it isn't in fact a valuable and precious work loaded with ancient history, philosophy, law, culture, etc things I study and live by in my own life. It is misperceived. If you can speak how this book ties into any of this.... I would welcome your opinion especially.


It is interesting in John Keel's book 'operation Trojan Horse' (and later reported by Richard Dolan) that the early 'visitations' conformed to mans imagination at that time. could this not itself be a universal constant through time... one thing that struck me during the interview was how the interviewers and even you (although your speculation would be much more valid due to your research...) but none the less how everyone was imposing their interpretation of what these entity's agenda really is... But at the same time it does seem that in fact we really don't know! Do we?

Some queries, I hope you can answer any or all of these...

(1) It seems hard to find a frame of reference as to what exactly your major premises are.. I am not completely certain... certain ideas seem out of context to me... so I am not clear on exactly what the big picture is according to your research. But it does appear that you are in fact following the narrative of the bible somewhat? But not taking it quite as literally as the mainstream interpretation? Would that be fair to say?

(2) I guess one of the issues is that you are talking about more then one set of entities? That some are apparently good while others apparently malevolent as you describe above? Can you more clearly describe who these groups are in more detail? And which was operating when? and which is now operating presently? or having the greatest influence?

(3) Also did you hear Kerry's interview with the 'mystery political operative' - if so did you find it consistent, viable? any thoughts on that?

(4) I got the impression overall you mentioned this issue about them wanting us to "worship" them and them wanting to "patronize" us as their "sheep" and of course we all know how "popular" that notion is with modern society today...
But whoever this group is, are they specifically identifiable, have they manifested themselves? demonstrated any powers to justify our worship? Do they claim to be the creators of heaven and earth? Are they claiming any authority or responsibility for any of the spiritual texts?

(5) Is there a group specifically in contact right now literally saying we should worship them like this? Because a lot of the info I got, for example like George Green's books, is the exact opposite... The Pleiadians I think, are just talking about a universal source and our manifestation ability... and how we should be "praying" to manifest good, etc...

[sigma6]

ritual and hierarchy are part of the signature.

They are part of the signature of a certain EME faction. Others factions uses different strategies. They are very flexible and able to change to adapt to our credos: if for example somebody believes that each form of hierarchical organization is bad they will create a chaos dogma to keep him poisoner again.
So how protect our-self?
Ancient mysticism is an invaluable tool here the Advaita Vedanta (cfr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivekachudamani) proposes the concepts of Viveka (discernment) and Vairagya (detachment). but in our western world the spiritual tradition has been suppressed and this is not the responsibility of a church, rather from the rationalism that came as a consequence from the "Age of Enlightenment". Now this dis-empowering from our spiritual roots is the signature of another faction of EME. They promote (apparently) absolute freedom and our world today is a result of their victory.

Technically that could be the very definition of Satan himself... a superior intelligence and a massive deceiver

[c0rv0]

I am not sure I understand what is meant in the quote? The secret is a 'source' of mental illness...does that mean would CAUSE mental illness? I could not find anything in English about the source you have in parentheses.

Please forgive me if I provide non English sources, "apocalisse Aliena" contains citations of over 110 others texts in four languages that, unfortunately, are not traslated in all of them.

The relationship between secrecy and mental illness is commonly accepted by psychoanalysis and should be easy to find references. Having a close relative that works in this field since my childhood I was exposed to several cases where an attitude to secrecy was the key to unbalance families or communities.
George P. Hansen in the "The Trickster and the Paranormal" states that we can aspect also the same from the people involved in 70 years of alien secrecy:
Historically, many groups that attempted to engage paranormal phenomena became unstable. There is little reason to think that secret government projects would escape that fate. They too are probably prone to paranoia and conspiracy theorizing. Because of the secrecy surrounding their work, and the importance of it, they could be susceptible to delusions of grandeur, a common accompaniment of incipient paranoia.

This is the reason that push insiders to speak: to heal themselves from the disease of secrecy.

[Billy]

Can you show just one message from Mother Mary in Medjugorje that has an Apocalyptic warning or Agenda.

Thanks for the question. I need to point out that I'm not anti christian nor anti catholic neither anti anything. I have great respect for everybody ideas.

Thank you Corvo. I also am neither of the above and have respect for ALL belief systems. I thank you for what you bring to the table i think it is important, And i do agree with most of what you say concerning visions and messages from beyond from EME's as you name them. I agree there is deception going on, And as Medj is still ongoing and concerns the times we now live in, It is also important for the millions of Catholics and others to understand if they are being used by service to self or service to others beings. Therefor no offence will be given or taken as we debate.



assumed this I feel the need to investigate the matter with a sober mind: the fact that people experienced "full love and intense light" is only an indicator that they are able to project this feeling. And they do it all the time. So is not the form what matter, is not the feeling rather what they do and the underlining message.

I agree. It is the message that matters and how we respond to the message. But my experience was not only feelings of unconditional love, But visual and by scent also. The visual Phenomenon that i witnessed like the 30ft concrete cross on the mountain appearing to be spinning round and changing colour, The Sun appearing to fall to earth and spin. Mother Mary allowing me to see her arrive from above like a shooting star that landed. The scent of a million roses when i was in her company. The kiss she gave me on my forehead. were all to me not miracles but a manipulation of nature and the elements. The concrete cross and the Sun were illusions, I knew this was not a factual reality. It was also not a hologram as not everyone saw what i saw.

But i very much enjoyed the experience and it did not feel to me that this was coming from a service to self entity.


now to your question, I know many messages of this type but this is the first that comes to my mind:
“…I invite you to renunciation for nine days so that with your help everything I wanted to realize through the secrets I began in Fatima may be fulfilled…”
August 25, 1991

bold mine.
Following my research Fatima is direct linked with the apocalyptic Timeline 3.
Furthermore the "10 secrets" per se are a questionable tool for a (supposed) divine entity that should know how human psyche works and that the secret itself is a source of mental illness (cr. "religione e neuroscienze" Aldo Natale Terrin). This secrecy policy has provoked speculation and curiosity regarding the nature of those secrets.
However in other apparition cases those "secrets" were progressively released to form the narrative I described above. One of the most interesting is the "Virgin of Anguera" in Brasil (cfr http://www.pedroregis.com/english/)
that with the "Madonna del Pino" in Italy (cfr http://www.madonnadelpino.altervista.org/) claims to be linked to both Medj. and Fatima. In those cases we have predictions that we can check, some of them very hard to be made like that a pope would go in exile and we would have 2 popes on the same time.
This was published in 2010.

Yes she said at the beginning also that she had come to complete what she had began in Fatima.
The 3 secrets of Fatima were.

1. The end of the 1st world war.

2. The rise of communism and how long it would last. (part of the completion for Mary was the fall of communism in Russia and the bringing down of the Berlin wall which happened in 1989 while Mary was appearing in Bosnia.

And secret 3. The Vatican refused to release all of the 3rd secret. Which i have learned was a warning for the Vatican, Only part was released, If the recent conduct of the Vatican is anything to go by, I see why they did not want to release the 3rd secret.

I do know that there has been other visitations, Africa ect. But Mary said at the beginning of Medj that this would be her last appearance on earth in this form. Also when the visions are complete there will be a permanent sign left in the skys above Bosnia for all to see that God exists. And scientist from all around the world would come to investigate this sign and they will never be able to conclude or understand the sign.


So the end of a world war1 and the rise and fall of Russian Communism to me is important information but not Apocalyptic. Not the end of the world. In fact good news for everyone.

EDIT TO ADD:

Mary in Bosnia also gave Catholics a ticking off for worshiping her. She said when you pray invite me to pray at your side and DO NOT pray to me.

The secrets i have been asked to treasure in my heart until an appointed time, Has never caused me any mental illness. All will be revealed at their appointed time.

Peace

[Delight]

I am not sure I understand what is meant in the quote? The secret is a 'source' of mental illness...does that mean would CAUSE mental illness? I could not find anything in English about the source you have in parentheses.

Please forgive me if I provide non English sources, "apocalisse Aliena" contains citations of over 110 others texts in four languages that, unfortunately, are not traslated in all of them.

The relationship between secrecy and mental illness is commonly accepted by psychoanalysis and should be easy to find references. Having a close relative that works in this field since my childhood I was exposed to several cases where an attitude to secrecy was the key to unbalance families or communities.
George P. Hansen in the "The Trickster and the Paranormal" states that we can aspect also the same from the people involved in 70 years of alien secrecy:
Historically, many groups that attempted to engage paranormal phenomena became unstable. There is little reason to think that secret government projects would escape that fate. They too are probably prone to paranoia and conspiracy theorizing. Because of the secrecy surrounding their work, and the importance of it, they could be susceptible to delusions of grandeur, a common accompaniment of incipient paranoia.

This is the reason that push insiders to speak: to heal themselves from the disease of secrecy.

I recognized George Hansen's name associated with "liminality" which I understand to be threshold events of instability (like transition moments) in personal life and chaotic times in society where paranormal (beyond the normal for a person) events are more common. The person is unbalanced and there is a danger of being fooled by the need to make resolution?

Being asked to keep secrets is always going on...between friends, family, in the militaary, because of 'confidentiality" and I cannot think where transparency in society exists at all now.

Do I understand you to say that by holding a "secret", the person is placed in a condition where that person would be more likely to be taken in by the "trickster"?

When I checked "liminality" to refresh my memory, I found this quote. It reminds me of the theme that many. like JL lash and quoted by eve lorgen have been addressing concerning the archon, the false light appearing real, the intense desire to 'make sense' that will lead someone to accept the most likely explanation, the inner tension seeking resolution that will cause us to follow the "tricksters". I am hoping that the way out of the influence is by discerning the fake.


Imitation, leadership and the role of the trickster
Mimesis, or the imitative aspect of human behavior, is an important aspect of liminality.[60] Individuals who are trapped in a liminal situation are not able to act rationally for two reasons: “first, because the structure on which ‘objective’ rationality was-- based has disappeared; and second, because the stressful, emotive character of a liminal crisis prevents clear thinking”.[61] This can lead to “mimetic” behavior on the part of the trapped individuals: “a central characteristic of liminal situations is that, by eliminating the stable boundary lines, they contribute to the proliferation of imitative processes and thus to the continuous reproduction of dominant messages about what to copy”.[62] Without stable institutions (which are effectively broken down in a liminal period), “people will look at concrete individuals for guidance”.[63]

This notion of imitation is closely tied to that of the trickster figure. The trickster is a universal figure that can be found in folktales and myths of nearly all cultures. These tricksters can be characterized as follows:

[they] are always marginal characters: outsiders, as they cannot trust or be trusted, cannot give or share, they are incapable of living in a community; they are repulsive, as – being insatiable – they are characterized by excessive eating, drinking, and sexual behavior, having no sense of shame; they are not taken seriously, given their affinity with jokes, storytelling, and fantasizing.[64]

In the context of liminality, the trickster is a very dangerous figure: “in a liminal situation where certainties are lost, imitative behavior escalates, and tricksters can be mistaken for charismatic leaders”.[65] This means that in their search for guidance, the individuals caught in the liminal situation might choose to follow a trickster, whom they confuse with a charismatic leader capable of “saving” them. Liminal periods that affect entire societies are characterized by the absence of a “master of ceremonies” (the leadership figures that are supposed to lead the initiands out of the liminal phase), which can in turn lead to the rise of tricksters into positions of power. When a trickster enters into a position of leadership, “liminality will not be restricted to a temporary crisis, followed by a return to normality, but can be perpetuated endlessly”.[66] This can be explained by three important characteristics of the trickster: his lack of a home (the trickster is, by definition, homeless and an outsider), lack of deeply felt human relations, and lack of existential commitments.[67] These traits cause the trickster to have no interest in solving the liminal crisis; “on the contrary, being really at home in liminality, or in homelessness, his real interest lies in its opposite, in perpetuating such conditions of confusion”.[68] On the other hand, the trickster is also a mime. “Imitation, whether in learning or in social activity, is only possible in so far as we are not aware that we are actually imitating…because as soon as we do so, imitation becomes a mere miming and would produce no effect in learning or no pleasure in involvement”.[69] Seeing as the trickster is incapable of “experiencing learning or the pleasure of sociability” as others do, he can be considered a mime rather than an imitator.[70] He thus appears to act just as everyone else does. With this in mind, there are “two characteristics [of the trickster] that under certain conditions could turn to be profitable, even [leading him to gain] unlimited and total power”: “his permanent state of exteriority helps him to think rationally and makes him a good mime: he cannot learn by genuine imitation but learns how to mime others and this produces laughter; thus he receives appreciation that otherwise he would never obtain”.[71]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liminality

[c0rv0]

(1) It seems hard to find a frame of reference as to what exactly your major premises are.. I am not completely certain... certain ideas seem out of context to me... so I am not clear on exactly what the big picture is according to your research. But it does appear that you are in fact following the narrative of the bible somewhat? But not taking it quite as literally as the mainstream interpretation? Would that be fair to say?
the book is 600 pages and the big picture comes from the information reported there, hard for me to reduce in few words. Nevertheless we should distinguish between interpretations and reporting of facts.
The reason why the story seems so close to the bible is because the cases we discussed until now were coming from christian sources (I call those ECE Eminent Catholic Entities as a relevant sub group of the EMEs).


(2) I guess one of the issues is that you are talking about more then one set of entities? That some are apparently good while others apparently malevolent as you describe above? Can you more clearly describe who these groups are in more detail? And which was operating when? and which is now operating presently? or having the greatest influence?

this is a good question, thanks. Le me bullet point some concepts:

we are facing a single category of metamorphic entities
they feed on "life energy"
they are organized in clans
the better way to recognize the clans is through the shadow cast by human's political and religious systems
today we have 2 factions of EME that are relevant for our discussion. We can compare those two EME faction to England and France in the age of the colonies: they have lot in common but differ in some practices. During that period still a lot of minor
power exists, ready to take over in any moment:

the "reptilian" that prefers a feeding field based on strong emotions like violence and/or sex. They are actually allied with the Breakaway Civilization (BAC), or, if you prefer the UFO control group. The initial reason of the BAC was to learn enough to be able to fight them, so this alliance is not so strong as some believe.
the "angelic/pleiadian" that likes a feeding field based on total submission and prayer. They were allied for a short period with the Catholic Church, but also this human organization decided after a certain time that their control was not desirable and broke the communication.

all the factions report that the conflict is close to a "resolution" and are preparing for it




(3) Also did you hear Kerry's interview with the 'mystery political operative' - if so did you find it consistent, viable? any thoughts on that?
no.


(4) I got the impression overall you mentioned this issue about them wanting us to "worship" them and them wanting to "patronize" us as their "sheep" and of course we all know how "popular" that notion is with modern society today...
But whoever this group is, are they specifically identifiable, have they manifested themselves? demonstrated any powers to justify our worship? Do they claim to be the creators of heaven and earth? Are they claiming any authority or responsibility for any of the spiritual texts?
right now, all of them are capable of limited physical interaction with our dimension, so they rely on messengers of various kind. In some cases they have produced tangible mass effect to justify their divinity. "The Warning" should be a major effort in this sense, but they already forecast that it will fail (sic!)
The "angelic" group say that we have to worship them because they are gods or the messengers of God or any of those variations.
The "reptilian" faction offers pacts, as in Latin "Do ut des" that are closer to the common understanding of people in charge. So right now they are "winning".
I stress again that this division bad/good is a STRATEGY and don't reflect their nature or goals.


(5) Is there a group specifically in contact right now literally saying we should worship them like this? Because a lot of the info I got, for example like George Green's books, is the exact opposite... The Pleiadians I think, are just talking about a universal source and our manifestation ability... and how we should be "praying" to manifest good, etc...
One of the most interesting cases is the one of the seer Stefania Caterina (http://towardsthenewcreation.com/) that works together with a former Medjugorie priest Tomislav Vlašić. They openly say that "god" is going to send from space the "other humanities" to help us. They are "better" that we are, they are superior and we need to submit....

[onawah]

I wonder if the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids might be the source of the "permanent sign left in the skies above Bosnia".
Dr. Semir Osmanagich, who discovered and is excavating the Valley, has reported there is a beam of energy emitting from the top of the Pyramid of the Sun.

Against scrutiny and overwhelming amounts of skepticism the "Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids" received international validation when observed by many well respected professionals in the various fields of science and has proven to be the largest (220 meter high) and the oldest (10,000-12,000 years old) known pyramids on the planet. This mass concentrated effort of analysis led to the discovery of an unexplained energetic radiation found inside, as well as above, the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun. Further analysis revealed an Ultrasonic Frequency Beam being emitted from the top of the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun out towards space, with the strength of the frequency becoming stronger the further it traveled away from the Sun Pyramid.

The first team to report this ultrasound frequency was in April of 2010 by a group of Croatian researchers led by physicist Slobodan Mizdrak. The instruments used in their research was an 823 EMF Gaussmeter with an internal probe and a 828 Gaussmeter with a 3D external probe, industrially calibrated with great precision and preciseness. Additionally, an oscilloscope and a spectrometer was used to analyze the frequency. The discovery was later confirmed by a team from the Russian Geophysical Institute Schmidt of Moscow (Dr. Khavroshkin and Dr. Tsyplakov). Also in 2010, Dr. Harry Oldfield, a British independent researcher, detected the elctromagnetic fields above the Sun Pyramid using a PIP camera (Polycontrast Interference Photography) and was able to reveal the ultrasound radiation accumulated inside the Sun Pyramid as well as it's release through the top of the Sun Pyramid. The ultrasound frequency detected has a continuous emission at 28 kHz (28,000 Hz) as confirmed by the Croatian team, and even found to have the same sinusoidal shape as found in the Vratnica's Mound as well as a few passages on the sides of the Ravne's Underground Complex.

On January 24th-25th of 2011, SB Research Group provided the initial decoding of the Bosnian Pyramid Frequency by recording the frequency using a Compander. A Compander is an instrument housing a supersonic sensor of very advanced technology containing highly miniaturized mechanical and electronic components integrated in the same silicone substratum. Moreover, a key technical detail is the assembly of a small microphone on the focal point of a metal parabola to collect the very straight ultrasound frequency waves at their best. Additionally, the SB Research Group brought their own Gaussmeter with a 3D external probe to test for magnetic fields above the Sun Pyramid, which none was found. This data is a critical piece of the puzzle because with no magnetic field found to be atop of the Sun Pyramid, data recorded with the Compander can not be attributed to radio waves by radio stations or repeaters placed nearby. One of these preliminary recordings can be found at www.bosnian-pyramid.org/storage/sound/sonda%20deset.mp3
More at: http://www.piramidasunca.ba/eng/latest-news/item/8073-bosnian-pyramid-ultrasound-frequency-decoded.html

As I understand it, the fact that the energy beam grows stronger as it travels into space seems to contradict all know scientific principles of the conservation of energy, so the beam itself is a discovery of great significance, aside from the discovery of the pyramids themselves.


Also when the visions are complete there will be a permanent sign left in the skys above Bosnia for all to see that God exists. And scientist from all around the world would come to investigate this sign and they will never be able to conclude or understand the sign.

[Camilo]

Welcome c0rv0!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Great interview, very weird static though.


2.the "angelic/pleiadian" that likes a feeding field based on total submission and prayer.

That was interesting to me and made sense to me too, answering prayers ( if they can) would create a continuous energy loop for them to feed on.
Imagine all Muslims, 5 times a day offering prayers in the same direction, that's a massive energy surge, I picture a feeding frenzy in my mind, all those mixed emotions and intentions in those people send out to............. . So what to do then, how do we communicate in a productive way with source, can this be a quid pro quo deal for all involved, there must be a way that benefits all parties, what could be the reason for starving us, poisoning us, sterilizing us if the above is true, to stop the energy flow to them perhaps? Wow, just thinking of this boggles the mind.

Thanks for the interview c0rv0 and welcome to Avalon.

[c0rv0]

So what to do then, how do we communicate in a productive way with source, can this be a quid pro quo deal for all involved, there must be a way that benefits all parties, what could be the reason for starving us, poisoning us, sterilizing us if the above is true, to stop the energy flow to them perhaps?

This is the core of the matter: what can we do?
Different cultures have tried different approaches to this existential question.

complete submission and human sacrifices in exchange of protection (e.g. in the book I discuss the case of the Atzechs) <-- asymmetric relationship
pacts were power was given by the EMEs to the humans in exchange for collaboration (e.g. the 1954 Greada treaty between the US and the Reptilian faction) <-- seemingly symmetric relationship
Open war with the "ET", violent suppression of all the form of magic and ritual, world wide uniformity and complete control to avoid any EME take over this is what is the actual plan of the western powers. This is the reason why are are poisoned. <-- no relationship
Human's spiritual and material independence <-- evolution of the relationship


Thanks for asking this.

[Billy]

So what to do then, how do we communicate in a productive way with source, can this be a quid pro quo deal for all involved, there must be a way that benefits all parties, what could be the reason for starving us, poisoning us, sterilizing us if the above is true, to stop the energy flow to them perhaps?


Human's spiritual and material independence <-- evolution of the relationship

[/LIST]


Thanks for asking this.

I can go with this option. When we manage to accept each other here on earth, the evolution of the relationship can extent to all universal civilizations.

What i feel you say is, Humanity gives their power away. Reclaim it and make a difference.

I am enjoying this thread. Thank you.

Peace

[778 neighbour of some guy]

•complete submission and human sacrifices in exchange of protection (e.g. in the book I discuss the case of the Atzechs) <-- asymmetric relationship

Uhuh, we all know how that went for them, no more Aztecs or prisoners of war or conquest left to sacrifice, so that practice got abandoned, they finally got a heart after all. ( pun intended) But in all seriousness that was not the way to go, just imagine those ceremonies and the sacrifices, the priests must have been absolute psychopaths caught up in their perceptions of what must have been doing the right thing, horrifying bloodbaths, its not strange this eventually caught up with them. ( I am absolutely sure I don't even have half of the picture clear of what happened there but I do have an imagination and intuition). I however somewhat understand what they tried to achieve, attempting to get a grip on things/life and have a say in influencing them, their way.


•pacts were power was given by the EMEs to the humans in exchange for collaboration (e.g. the 1954 Greada treaty between the US and the Reptilian faction) <-- seemingly symmetric relationship

Yeah, I know the stories but cannot confirm in person that is being the case, but the speed of technological advancement in the last 70 years is amazing, a cellphone with a cam in it, who could have imagined that 30 years ago, so this is not unlikely at all to me, the universe is way to big for us tiny humans to populate it all by ourselves, so I am open to that possibility for sure, the below video might be a good example of what is going on as an example of the current war between different factions.

I have no idea what that was, but I do see, know, understand this is something significant and illustrates at least something is going on, who is taking aggressive assertive action against who remains to be my question.

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Open war with the "ET", violent suppression of all the form of magic and ritual, world wide uniformity and complete control to avoid any EME take over this is what is the actual plan of the western powers. This is the reason why are poisoned. <-- no relationship

Again the above video clip.


Human's spiritual and material independence <-- evolution of the relationship

That should be a fascinating process and I hope we will ALL live to see it, 'may you live in interesting times' applies here, lets hope we can get there together with relative ease.

So, who are the good guys here c0rv0, are there any at all in your opinion or is this yet again one of the case where good/bad is relative?

Thanks for answering my questions c0rv0 , I appreciate it very much.

regards

Edgar

[c0rv0]

Yeah, I know the stories but cannot confirm in person that is being the case
In the book I report the letter of G. Light after the event
source http://project.borderlands.com/Etheria/corr/1954-04-16%20-%20Letter%20from%20Gerald%20Light%20to%20Meade%20Layne.html

the confirmation of the Gesuit to Cristoforo Barbato
scr. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_secretumomega06.htm

and the most compelling and recent confirmation made to Rich Dolan
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[DeDukshyn]

I am not sure I understand what is meant in the quote? The secret is a 'source' of mental illness...does that mean would CAUSE mental illness? I could not find anything in English about the source you have in parentheses.

Please forgive me if I provide non English sources, "apocalisse Aliena" contains citations of over 110 others texts in four languages that, unfortunately, are not traslated in all of them.

The relationship between secrecy and mental illness is commonly accepted by psychoanalysis and should be easy to find references. Having a close relative that works in this field since my childhood I was exposed to several cases where an attitude to secrecy was the key to unbalance families or communities.
George P. Hansen in the "The Trickster and the Paranormal" states that we can aspect also the same from the people involved in 70 years of alien secrecy:
Historically, many groups that attempted to engage paranormal phenomena became unstable. There is little reason to think that secret government projects would escape that fate. They too are probably prone to paranoia and conspiracy theorizing. Because of the secrecy surrounding their work, and the importance of it, they could be susceptible to delusions of grandeur, a common accompaniment of incipient paranoia.

This is the reason that push insiders to speak: to heal themselves from the disease of secrecy.

Well said, thank you for clarifying that - valuable info, I fully agree. :)

[c0rv0]

So, who are the good guys here c0rv0, are there any at all in your opinion or is this yet again one of the case where good/bad is relative?

Do you consider yourself "good"?
I I raise chickens: I feed them every day, every night I shelter them from the cold and I protect them from predators. We raised one of these hen since he was a chick. She thinks I'm his mom and always follows me like a puppy. Yet one day I will kill and eat them.
I'm a monster?
I do not think.
But if the hen knew what I plan for her would not have doubts.
On the other hand, if the hen came to me as a conscious being and would start arguing about her violated rights quoting Plato and Max Weber I would have serious problems to eat her: she would no longer be a chicken, would be "human".
The information we have on the EME is that they despise us deeply. We are weak in their eyes, easy to deceive and with very little will. however in the book I report cases (e.g. magicians) that illustrate how, when they meet certain human beings, they are forced to change their attitude.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

So, who are the good guys here c0rv0, are there any at all in your opinion or is this yet again one of the case where good/bad is relative?

Do you consider yourself "good"?
I I raise chickens: I feed them every day, every night I shelter them from the cold and I protect them from predators. We raised one of these hen since he was a chick. She thinks I'm his mom and always follows me like a puppy. Yet one day I will kill and eat them.
I'm a monster?
I do not think.
But if the hen knew what I plan for her would not have doubts.
On the other hand, if the hen came to me as a conscious being and would start arguing about her violated rights quoting Plato and Max Weber I would have serious problems to eat her: she would no longer be a chicken, would be "human".
The information we have on the EME is that they despise us deeply. We are weak in their eyes, easy to deceive and with very little will. however in the book I report cases (e.g. magicians) that illustrate how, when they meet certain human beings, they are forced to change their attitude.

Thank you for your reply, but that question was actually about humans, which humans are now on our side, are these the people we call the Illuminati, the church, or ........., I should have been more specific in my question, my apologies, so the question is then who are the humans that are trying to break us free of EME interference, is there a larger agenda in play, is it all up just ourselves, or are we being assisted in this process, if that is the case, by whom and via what measures are this attempts being made?

I apologize once again for my unclear previous question.

regards

Ed

[CD7]

Hello corvo


Do you consider yourself "good"?
I I raise chickens: I feed them every day, every night I shelter them from the cold and I protect them from predators. We raised one of these hen since he was a chick. She thinks I'm his mom and always follows me like a puppy. Yet one day I will kill and eat them.
I'm a monster?
I do not think.
But if the hen knew what I plan for her would not have doubts.
On the other hand, if the hen came to me as a conscious being and would start arguing about her violated rights quoting Plato and Max Weber I would have serious problems to eat her: she would no longer be a chicken, would be "human".
The information we have on the EME is that they despise us deeply.

I think perspective of one's surrounding world comes down to one's consciousness...

I think a person can come to a point where you don't have to have a chicken recite plato or max to understand the connection to the chicken underneath it all...You will see it no matter what the chicken has said to you---and really, lets be honest, have any philosophers made an impact so intelligent to truthfully free humanity? So if a chicken were to incite one of these people, I may be more apt to kill it from its contamination of mental choas

As above so below-as below so above--- I believe if our relationship to ALL was altered below the "above" would be different also.

Man is in this "survival of the fittest" mentality. "Conquest" has been apart of our consciousness for a loooong time, and it seems to be ALL we consume ourselves with.

When I read these scenarios of all different groups having "issues" with us and group A is on our side but group B we must be leery of and group C is just watching from the side lines...
ALL the scenarios I have heard of A, B, C could be interchanged from the enormous amount of NAMES/GROUPS/SCENARIOS I have heard countless times over the years


My question to you is...Are there ANY groups who demonstrate a more evolved aspect of life-creation then those who appear to be replicating HUMAN BEHAVIOR? Are there any galaxy's who do not follow the human model of behavior?

[Delight]

[QUOTE]
On the other hand, if the hen came to me as a conscious being and would start arguing about her violated rights quoting Plato and Max Weber I would have serious problems to eat her: she would no longer be a chicken, would be "human".

The information we have on the EME is that they despise us deeply. We are weak in their eyes, easy to deceive and with very little will. however in the book I report cases (e.g. magicians) that illustrate how, when they meet certain human beings, they are forced to change their attitude.


Human's spiritual and material independence <-- evolution of the relationship

I can read in that last statement that RELATIONSHIP is the basis of ethics.

I too have chickens, dogs, cats, stray raccoons, possums, deer, wild birds, insects, indoor/outdoor plants in my daily life.
I notice they are constantly learning. For example, one of my older cats developed more and more trust so she went from fully feral to being a lap cat but it took our relationship 5 yeras and it was all her doing. She developed while I just kept doing the same thing.
All the "people" in my life have qualities that are unique to that one individual creature (no matter the species).
They each teach me something.
Personally I am not a meat eater but I appreciate the native American sensibility that the mark of consciousness holds intrinsic respect for the other as of equal value. Out of this comes the capacity to communicate a need. If the need is expressed by a human for meat to feed the tribe, the appropriate creature will present herself for the good of all.

You mentioned secrecy before. I think I am troubled internally by a greater "dis-ease" that comes of thinking in hierarchy where one "aspect" has greater "importance" than another. We are all unique and we are all in the same fabric of creation. That seems pretty simple.

EMEs despise us? well if they are as you say, they can only operate with our agency. There has been endless "struggle" in the human community to establish an ethical stance beyond "isms". You also mentioned transparency. My experience has been that I respect all creature as being from consciousness and that I may rely on consciousness from which I am expressed to mediate the whole. EME's that have fallen off the evolution track will disappear.

The particular way I mediate my interactions is by my awareness of the sacred relationship and "translucency" which seems highly beautiful!! Am I always there...NO.

This is a learning process...and yet the intention is what pulls me...I love this intention. The love is fuel to create more beauty. This love makes me certain I am strong and the EME's are definitely OK just to do their thing....best of luck to them.

and if I planned to eat my chickens, I do think I would talk to them. Funny enough though...I bet in that case where I was "afraid" to make it clear, they already would know and would humor me by keeping a secret since they seem very intelligent in their unique chicken way.

[c0rv0]

which humans are now on our side, are these the people we call the Illuminati, the church, or ........., I should have been more specific in my question, my apologies, so the question is then who are the humans that are trying to break us free of EME interference, is there a larger agenda in play, is it all up just ourselves, or are we being assisted in this process, if that is the case, by whom and via what measures are this attempts being made?

The Illuminati is a creation of the WASP conspiracy world. Yes, indeed old blood lines uses ancient knowledge to hold the power but they don't define them-self with this name. Their intention is protecting their own interests. The same can be applied to the Catholic Church, the oldest official political organization on the planet. Strange to say they, at least a faction within the church, understand better that the previous group the danger of a collaboration with the EME.
So they have decided to works with the "Human alliance". This group originated by the MAJ 12 that, following Richard Doland extended his activities to private groups. An interesting fact is that the year of the Greada Treaty, 1954, is the same in which the Bilderberg was founded. Are they "us"?
Yes and no. They decided that us as human race has to survive to any cost, included the fact that only a fraction of the today living will be alive afterward. This don't include you and me, actually. We can blame them (I don't) but they are actually doing what they believe is the best.
Can we count on a "white brotherhood" or "Galactic alliance" to save us?
No, because any real positive force would not stop us to do mistakes. The only thing that a advance force could do would be to send messengers indicating the challenge ahead.
Is this forum representative of "us"?
Maybe.
It is nice to speak of the 99% united vs. the 1% while we sit in front of a monitor. What matter is the ability to concretely works together, to put aside the differences, the egos not because of "survival" but because is the right things to do.

[c0rv0]

Are there ANY groups who demonstrate a more evolved aspect of life-creation then those who appear to be replicating HUMAN BEHAVIOR? Are there any galaxy's who do not follow the human model of behavior?
In the history groups that were not demonstrating this behaviors were typically killed by the others.
and no, this is NOT a human characteristic,this is THEIR implanted in us.
As Castaneda said
"the predator gave us his mind"

[Sunny-side-up]

I wan't to make myself as strong in all directions and actions as I can under my/our humanity and sovereignty.
To be a strong willed soul who would like communication on a level base.
I am, you are, we can be.
I want to know you and want a say in my peoples health and future.
I am Human and I try to stand tall, come let us hug each other and share some mind and energies together, face to face.
Spread this word from me to you and yours, you will find many here and now ready and willing, help stop this continual confusion and waste of energies.

Send heart felt messages like that to them, then we might get somewhere, together!

(been feeling very open and positive to-day, very charged and strong!)

[CD7]

In the history groups that were not demonstrating this behaviors were typically killed by the others.
and no, this is NOT a human characteristic,this is THEIR implanted in us.
As Castaneda said
"the predator gave us his mind"



So in a sense, if that original predator mind was obliterated in humans our new 'original' compassionate traits would not matter anyway because history has shown the "other" groups usually kill and take over....

Gosh that sounds so bleek :(....I personally do not feel this situation is truth. Am I delusional?-perhaps In my heart of hearts I see no power in conquest mentality/behavior in any real sense, alien, eme ,human or anything else. It can only go so far---

If this were the model as you describe it--compassionate people must really get in the way! Why do they keep showing up? Is this a glitch in the alien predator mind?

[c0rv0]

Gosh that sounds so bleek ....I personally do not feel this situation is truth.
I understand your feelings.
It is hard to accept.
I have created a new discussion to present some very disturbing evidences:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64121-Some-evidences-of-Human-disappearance-and-mutilations

My intention is not to spread doom. Rather to remove the layers of illusion that were created so that we can see the issue as-is and work toward a solution.

[Kristin]

I feel that one of the issues we need to deal with are the facts that these negative experiences do exist in our reality, we need to stop sweeping it all under the rug. By looking at ALL the facts we will educate ourselves. Only then will the truth be known.

Thank you for bringing this information to light.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[CD7]

Gosh that sounds so bleek ....I personally do not feel this situation is truth.
I understand your feelings.
It is hard to accept.
I have created a new discussion to present some very disturbing evidences:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64121-Some-evidences-of-Human-disappearance-and-mutilations

My intention is not to spread doom. Rather to remove the layers of illusion that were created so that we can see the issue as-is and work toward a solution.


I don't know if its a hard thing for me to accept as it is more of something I have had no direct experience with.

What I have had experience with is human beings doing the most inhuman things to each other. Man has done SO MUCH damage to him/herself that it is so massive--its invisible!

Since I have no direct memory dealing with any other species aside from my own and the other species (animals) who are extensions of us, I cannot completely discuss "aliens" with you or anyone else for that matter. My perspective will quite frankly be speculative only.


I can surmise that if the upper rungs operate like the lower rungs--human/animal. I could invision different experiences for us humans in relation to aliens, just as animals have different experiences with us.

A pig could experience heaven here just as another pig could experience complete HELL in a slaughter house. If I was a pig in the hands of Buford the pig killer verses Molly the pig lover who loves me and raises me in her home as a family member, the situation/experience is completely different.

I could even see some of us primped and primed for the red carpet--just like we breed the animals to scurry across the red carpet to see who has the best 'show pony'.

I even look up above and around me to see the electric cage (poles with wires) im surrounded in, which to me seems like im an animal in a wired chicken coop.

Now if I were to use human analogies to gain a glimpse of "alien" agenda using the same different scenarios an animal could find themselves in with us...

There are a MULTITUDE of slaughters that are not NEEDED. A human does not NEED to kill a chicken to survive--same with many other species here-- A MINDBLOWING AMOUNT OF DESTRUCTION THAT WAS/IS NOT WARRANTED AT ALL. If aliens are operating this way--it seems they are not that highly evolved or aware...just as humans are not.

So in all this--what can one do?? I feel I can only deal with the species I am currently in....I can only WORK in the species I am in. Animals and humans are the same species to me. They are us we are them. WE CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT EATING THEM.


Do you think its possible for the aliens to survive without doing whtever it is there doing to us?

And what do you think we can do as another species to effect this alien situation? Aside from letting everyone know, is there something that can actually be done?

Thankyou for your feedback :)

[c0rv0]

Do you think its possible for the aliens to survive without doing whtever it is there doing to us?
At the state of my knowledge I cannot state for sure if we are for them "wine" or "bread".
ancient and modern literature states that they have a "kick" from this energy. But other reports (see my other thread) explain how they use it also for basic need like fuel.


And what do you think we can do as another species to effect this alien situation? Aside from letting everyone know, is there something that can actually be done?
I have described above different strategies that mankind has tried in the past.
I joined this forum with the purpose of encouraging members and readers to work toward a solution.
The first step is to knowledge the problem.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Billy]

So what to do then, how do we communicate in a productive way with source, can this be a quid pro quo deal for all involved, there must be a way that benefits all parties, what could be the reason for starving us, poisoning us, sterilizing us if the above is true, to stop the energy flow to them perhaps?


Human's spiritual and material independence <-- evolution of the relationship

[/LIST]


Thanks for asking this.

I can go with this option. When we manage to accept each other here on earth, the evolution of the relationship can extent to all universal civilizations.

What i feel you say is, Humanity gives their power away. Reclaim it and make a difference.


Peace

Is my feeling correct Corvo or off the mark.





My intention is not to spread doom. Rather to remove the layers of illusion that were created so that we can see the issue as-is and work toward a solution.





And what do you think we can do as another species to effect this alien situation? Aside from letting everyone know, is there something that can actually be done?
I have described above different strategies that mankind has tried in the past.
I joined this forum with the purpose of encouraging members and readers to work toward a solution.
The first step is to knowledge the problem.

As you read in my earlier posts in this thread I do not agree with your theory that Mother Mary in Bosnia is a vampire feeding off the energy from the people. And that her message is not Apocalyptic, Although i believe there will be some warnings of events within the coming secrets yet to be revealed, And that she gave Catholics a ticking off for worshiping her and recommended that when they prayed for peace in our times that she asked them to invite her to be by their sides to pray together.

But i also agree that there is a faction of ET's who do not have the betterment of humanity within their agenda.

Discernment on who is who within the bigger picture needs to be implemented.
For humanity to take responsibility for their actions

Corvo what is your view of the solution.

Peace

EDIT:

I am curious if you have ever read Pierre Sabak's "The Murder of Reality" Corbo
If not i think you would enjoy the read. I met Pierre a few years ago.

http://www.pierresabak.com/newsite/viewpage.php?page_id=12

[c0rv0]

This is "The Event" to really watch out for:

http://www.examiner.com/article/mark-levin-warns-obama-preparing-country-for-coup-against-constitution

Related content here:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-07/danger-playing-debt-ceiling-chicken-440-billion-debt-maturing-november-15

http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs-on-failure-to-raise-the-debt-ceiling-2013-10

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/treasurys-debt-ceiling-dilemma-which-bills-pay-when-8C11336386

http://www.businessinsider.com/can-the-treasury-prioritize-payments-if-the-debt-ceiling-is-breached-2013-10

http://www.financialjuice.com/news/313457/These-Are-The-Key-Debt-Ceiling-Choke-Points.aspx
thanks, this is important point data. Nevertheless it suffers of a very limited point of view: we have to keep in mind that the "economics" is not a science, especially because of his direct political implications.
The information that I'm releasing extend the concepts that I learned during my education of political sciences to the interaction with Extra-dimensional Materialized Entities (EME).
This new discipline I'm proposing, the Ontopolitic, aims to remain free from value judgments that have invalidated much of the work done by the community alternative in the past.

[c0rv0]

Discernment on who is who within the bigger picture needs to be implemented.
For humanity to take responsibility for their actions
I agree. I notice that you are very emotionally attached to the events of Medjugorie. I propose that we focus on everything else but this case in the discussion. From my point of view Medjugorie is not especially relevant for an understanding of the subject matter. In the book I have examined 263 cases of Eminent Catholic Entities apparitions and compared them with "ET abduction" cases. For example this:


A cloud floated under her feet, and she moved fast without effort.
she was pale and had such large eyes that their equal had never been seen in a human head.”

Wonders in the Sky: Unexplained Aerial Objects from Antiquity to Modern Times (Jacques Vallee and Chris Aubeck)

compared with this description of the vehicle used by the "holy virgin mary", the seer:

... explained in these terms what was happening at the time of the apparitions: "Whenever (after I knelt down and waiting a few minutes in prayer and with bowed head) I lifted up my look above the rock, I immediately saw the Virgin Mary, but before I saw a cloud coming from that part where there is the sea, which approached the rock with speed.

form Apocalisse Aliena, case of Belpasso, Sicily Italy

We see that anyone appeared in Belpasso had the need to move using a a strange vehicle, which had a starting point, a path and a point of arrival, but it was not a plane, a bird or a kite. All characteristics of an unidentified flying object.

While the vehicle light appeared in Sicily was only visible to the seer, at Fatima, Portugal was visible to everybody.
"I look up and to my surprise I see distinctly a globe of light that moves westward, moving slowly and majestically through space ... suddenly, however, the globe with its extraordinary light disappear before our eyes. Beside us was a child ... (Lucia dos Santos) who joyfully cried out, "I see it! I can still see! Now comes down. "" After a few minutes - still the Vicar - the baby continues to cry again: "Here it is! Halls again!"

apparitions of Fatima

The events of Fatima are of paramount importance because they were recognized by the Catholic Church, that until 1954, was very open in regards to this kind of manifestation. As I explain in the interview, the fact that the Vatican refused to follow an direct order of the "supposed Mary" is an important evidence...


New frameworks and perspectives are needed. Indeed, in some circumstances, science may not be useful; rather, approaches taken from the field of intelligence may be more appropriate. UFO researcher Jacques Vallee made this point in his book Messengers of Deception (1979).

The Trickster and the Paranormal (George P. Hansen)


Corvo what is your view of the solution.
Before we can extensively discuss a solution I see the need to define the borders of the problem. But, if you wish, I can immediately tell what are the practical consequences:
- move ASAP to a rural location
- go off grid, produce your food
- foster a community
- practice spirituality that is NOT related to any kind of external entity
- If (when) you encounter any ET, alien, EME, UFO, bigfoot, light creature: ignore until they ignore you.

[ulli]

Before we can extensively discuss a solution I see the need to define the borders of the problem. But, if you wish, I can immediately tell what are the practical consequences:
- move ASAP to a rural location
- go off grid, produce your food
- foster a community
- practice spirituality that is NOT related to any kind of external entity
- If (when) you encounter any ET, alien, EME, UFO, bigfoot, light creature: ignore until they ignore you.

I told my nightly visitors, or whoever created the holograms or apparitions, to stop bothering me, as it was disturbing my rest.
If they wanted contact, to ring my door bell during the day, or better still, make an appointment.
This was suggested to me by a forum owner around 1999, when these hallucinations were at their peak, and even though I never saw anything scary, it was still a serious interruption of my life.
So I told them to eff off, basically, and from one day to the next the visits stopped.
And after that I missed them, at least for a while.
But life has returned to normal, and I am more accepting of "normal" than I used to be,
since I no longer feel that I can be easily manipulated.
Living in a very rural area, in the mountains of Central America...not quite off grid, not yet,
but planting trees and veg, and integrating with the local people.

[Billy]

Corvo what is your view of the solution.
Before we can extensively discuss a solution I see the need to define the borders of the problem. But, if you wish, I can immediately tell what are the practical consequences:
- move ASAP to a rural location
- go off grid, produce your food
- foster a community
- practice spirituality that is NOT related to any kind of external entity
- If (when) you encounter any ET, alien, EME, UFO, bigfoot, light creature: ignore until they ignore you.

- move ASAP to a rural location----Done

- go off grid, produce your food----I am off the grid and buy fresh organic veg from our community gardens.

- foster a community----Done

- practice spirituality that is NOT related to any kind of external entity---
Done, Yes self awareness of human potentials.

- If (when) you encounter any ET, alien, EME, UFO, bigfoot, light creature: ignore until they ignore you ----
Hmm. I have already experienced encounters with ET's, UFO, and Mother Mary. I have no fear of them. I cannot ignore them as i look upon them as members of the universal civilizations, my equals and my brothers and sisters. If they become annoying i tell them to give it a rest. Just like family :boink:

Peace

[thunder24]

hello c0rv0,

Is there any evidence of "them" or "others" being "fed" or getting a "kick" or "fueling" something from our joy, happiness and love? Not necessarily prayers and such.

If not why is this?

Its pretty simple and some may see it as childish, but monsters inc rang true to me... It may b the hope I have blinding me.

PeaX6CpgTPM

Is there evidence of humans trying to "negotiate" or discuss this concept of fuel from joy laughter and love, with those "others"?

thankyou for sharing c0rv0






Do you think its possible for the aliens to survive without doing whtever it is there doing to us?
At the state of my knowledge I cannot state for sure if we are for them "wine" or "bread".
ancient and modern literature states that they have a "kick" from this energy. But other reports (see my other thread) explain how they use it also for basic need like fuel.


And what do you think we can do as another species to effect this alien situation? Aside from letting everyone know, is there something that can actually be done?
I have described above different strategies that mankind has tried in the past.
I joined this forum with the purpose of encouraging members and readers to work toward a solution.
The first step is to knowledge the problem.

[johnf]

hello c0rv0,

Is there any evidence of "them" or "others" being "fed" or getting a "kick" or "fueling" something from our joy, happiness and love? Not necessarily prayers and such.

If not why is this?

Its pretty simple and some may see it as childish, but monsters inc rang true to me... It may b the hope I have blinding me.

PeaX6CpgTPM

Is there evidence of humans trying to "negotiate" or discuss this concept of fuel from joy laughter and love, with those "others"?

thankyou for sharing c0rv0






Do you think its possible for the aliens to survive without doing whtever it is there doing to us?
At the state of my knowledge I cannot state for sure if we are for them "wine" or "bread".
ancient and modern literature states that they have a "kick" from this energy. But other reports (see my other thread) explain how they use it also for basic need like fuel.


And what do you think we can do as another species to effect this alien situation? Aside from letting everyone know, is there something that can actually be done?
I have described above different strategies that mankind has tried in the past.
I joined this forum with the purpose of encouraging members and readers to work toward a solution.
The first step is to knowledge the problem.

I think that the fact that this is a family type animated movie with this scurry type idea embedded in it is an invitation
to not be scurred, and take it with a pillar of salt.

jf

[Elly]

Before we can extensively discuss a solution I see the need to define the borders of the problem.

Hi Corvo, I have only read the written interview by Eve Lorgen (I will listen to the others in time). Except for pieces I read in Houman's thread, your description presents a new picture of the problem for me. And I have to say, having gained a better understanding, I nevertheless feel more confused with this new perspective.

[CD7]

Intuition & Premonition

October 5, 2013 - November 3, 2013

Our New Moon of October 4, 2013 (Oct 5, 0:34 GMT) lies in sidereal Virgo and over Corvus, the Raven Messenger. The New Moon conjoins Vindemiatrix and Porrima of Virgo, and the stars of Corvus. The stars of this area of the zodiak excite higher mental capacities such as clairvoyance and telepathic awareness. They bring emphasis to our need to have astute moment-by moment attentiveness to messages expressing through the natural and every-day world around us. The purpose of this fore-vision is so we may act accordingly in the present so we can meet, in preparedness and at the right time, future events that are already precipitating into our reality from the realm of probabilities.

Complete article: http://www.lunarplanner.com/

This is quoted from another thread-"This lunar month's theme..."

My my what an interesting cowinkeydink! Corvos the raven! What to make of this? Are there so may stories being spread around there starting to meld into one another?

[c0rv0]

Is there evidence of humans trying to "negotiate" or discuss this concept of fuel from joy laughter and love, with those "others"?
Joy, pain, desire are emotions that produce the release of something else, following the Egyptian (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64121-Some-evidences-of-Human-disappearance-and-mutilations&p=741652&viewfull=1#post741652) the "Kha" and "Sekkem".
from my other thread


To explain this I will use the words of a natural health practitioner regarding the Bach remedy "Rescue" :
"Every time we are stressed is a kind of little death. Our soul start the process of leaving the body, this slow down the healing process. Rescue works by "recalling" the soul back".


Devotion seems to work, so if we intent love in sense of devotion also love works.[COLOR="red"]

[Billy]

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Dear Friends,

This is a good introduction to new Avalon member c0rv0 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?19505-c0rv0),

He's being interviewed by researcher Eve Lorgen tonight (4 October). Details here:

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Alien Apocolypse with Corvo and Eve Lorgen
Live Friday October 4

Illuminating the Shadowland with Sienna Lea
http://stealingthemoon.com

Friday 9-10pm PST, Truth Frequency Radio
Listen Live (http://stealingthemoon.us7.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=76286877903e74757da99c5ef&id=3f025c1cbf&e=43b1757092)

October 4th, Eve Lorgen and Sienna Lea interview her colleague Corvo. He is an amazing author and researcher in the area of Ufology, Extraterrestrial Encounters, the Abduction Phenomenon and the Occult, and recently released the book Alien Apocalypse.

http://prezi.com/fdoowhztnt-p/alien-apocalypse


(Part 2 will be aired on Friday October 11, 2013 9 pm Pacific Time.)
·

All the best with part 2 of the interview later today Corvo.

Peace

[Billy]

A direct link to hour 2 of Corvo's interview. Downloading to listen later.

http://truthfrequencyradio.com/podcasts/illuminatingtheshadowland/illuminatingtheshadowland.2013-10-11.mp3

peace

[Gardener]

I have listened and it makes a lot of sense. The book needs to be got into English asap, I hope that manifests for Corvo.

[Billy]

Good interview Corvo. For humanity to become independent from any outside influence, To work within communities that are self sufficient. I agree would be a great leap forward.

I would add that first Humanity also has to break away from inside influences that exist here on earth, To also become independent from the group of humans who believe they are in control of humanity. To awaken from the great illusion that we have to be part of the control system. The system that keeps humanity in debt and demands that we are in constant war. I understand that those humans who believe they are in control here on earth, could also be being influenced by others outside.

Let us Reclaim our power.

peace

[Roisin]

[QUOTE=billyji;740087]
Can you show just one message from Mother Mary in Medjugorje that has an Apocalyptic warning or Agenda.


I do know that there has been other visitations, Africa ect. But Mary said at the beginning of Medj that this would be her last appearance on earth in this form.


Billyji,

The Medj seer "Marija said that Our Lady told her that after the secrets are realized, She will not need to come any more. Vicka has also stated that Our Lady has said that these are Her last apparitions on earth and She won’t need to come again after the secrets are realized."

The above quote is directly from the Medj website. http://www.medjugorje.com/medjugorje/questions-and-answers.html

This needs to be pointed out because the BVM apparitions that are showing up in other parts of the world that are contemporaneous to her manifestations in Medj are not to be discounted because those secrets given to those seers in Medj have not been revealed yet. Until that happens, Mary will continue to show up in other parts of the world too and not just Medj. All of these manifestations, including the ones at Medj, may be the last ones. When we get closer to the time when those secrets will be revealed, her manifestations at Medj. may indeed be the final last ones but until then, she will continue to show up at other places around the world just like she has been even after she started showing up in Medj.

Additional information: I forgot to mention this but one of the seer's said on their official site that there will be other signs out there around the world including luminations.... And, in fact, those Marian apparitions that have occurred over the past 20 + years have been apparitions of Mary showing up in luminous forms. The one in Vietnam, Africa and Egypt were all that way. No messages were conveyed by Mary during those events though... unlike what's been going on at Medj.

BTW, I'm a Catholic and I've had my own experiences wrt to the BVM but won't go into that here at this time except to say that I appreciate it that you are sharing your own experiences wrt to the BVM here in this forum.

Also, my dad and brother visited Medj where they witnessed some extraordinary phenomena there where they also talked to one of the seers there too. So it's because of their witnessed accounts of those incidents, that I too am convinced in the veracity of the Medj apparition. Of course for me to KNOW with absolute certainty that it's really Mary who is showing up there, I would have to go there myself but until then, those family members personal testimony on that will suffice. (Note: I also take those testimonies in consideration as truth from those people I personally don't know like your experiences there. for example.)

[c0rv0]

With all due respect to all believers: the fact that in a certain place we have paranormal manifestations is only an indication of the existence of a paranormal phenomena, not a confirmation of the identity of the source. The reality is that Medjugorie is nothing special: it appear to be only if insufficient information is provided.

The available English literature on Medjugorie is missing important pieces of information. see this description of the seers regarding hell, purgatory and paradise.
from Apocalisse Aliena:

Here, for example, as the visionaries saw the afterlife:
they enter into heaven by a wooden door. They enter the paradise for about 5 meters. In it, Vicka and Jakov do not recognize anyone, they only see that all are young, there are no old or fat. Some wear a white robe, others yellowish, all with long robes. To the left a great saint with his hands outstretched, like a statue, shut up, looks at them like a sphinx. In purgatory the floor is like tobacco ash, under the floor there is suffering and torment, but the heads are not seen. Finally arriving in hell. Many people. For as the boys are surprised of the multitude, there seems to be more people there than in heaven. The great fire, it's not like in the oven. The devils jump one after another, with tails and horns, black color!

wooden door, tobacco ash, devils with tails and horns: this description of afterlife seems to come from a B-movie with cheap special effects. From the description of abduction we have similar virtual reality scenarios with presence of ECE. One example:


a vision he’d had of Jesus, whom at first he saw hanging on the cross. Al remembered feeling great pity and vision he’d had of Jesus, whom at first he saw hanging on the cross. Al remembered feeling great pity and love for Jesus, and then being astonished when the figure looked up and began to move away from the cross and toward him. The last thing he remembered was Jesus kissing him, and when the vision was over

Masquerade of Angels (Karla Turner and Ted Rice)

When the abductee was subjected to hypnosis revealed a totally different scene


Instead of Jesus, the image transformed into a grotesque reptilian creature, forcing itself sexually upon the terrified man.

Masquerade of Angels (Karla Turner and Ted Rice)
Unfortunately the seers were never subjected to it.

Another factor that is of foundamental importance in understanding Medjugorie is the role of Tomislav Vlašić, curate of Medj between 1981-84.
the "gospa" was very happy with his work, below a page of the diary of Vicka:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/screenshots/6a0133ed164599970b014e610c004d970c.jpg
It was me and Jakisa (short for Jakov , nda ), the Lady came at 6:03 minutes, she looked good.
Then the Lady spoke about Tomislav before he turned his eyes on him then he said " thank you so much because Tomislav guiding you so well . "
So much that she asked to form a special group of prayer guided by him that would have "evolved the believers to the next stage of evolution". Sound familiar? it is! in this prayer group , since its inception , was also the seer Marija Pavlović , which will stay there for all four years when it will be active. the the group was stopped by the ecclesiastical hierarchy for his non common practices , Marija even left Medjugorje to follow in Italy Vlasic, who had founded the community Kraljice Mira in Parma. Within the community the desire to follow the "real way" of the Gospa went so far that Vlasic was excommunicated and expelled from the church. Today he still claims to gollow the order of Medj, and this is is message:


One of the most important tasks of the humanity of Alpha Centauri is to command the great interplanetary fleet. It is composed of the most powerful spacecraft and crews selected, made ​​available by the planets faithful to God
[Stefania Caterina, Beyond the Great Barrier, Lights of Exodus, Mestre, 2008, p. 123]

please notice the similarity:

And Pat has been shown scenes of the return of Jesus, accompanied by space ships and aliens, preceding the "bad time on earth" which will destroy many of those who are not rescued.

Taken: Inside the Alien-Human Abduction Agenda (Karla Turner)

In conclusion:

Medjugorie shows more in common with others ECE apparition cases that is widely know.
the apocalyptic aspect is present in all of those, in a more or less strong fashion.
those cases have a lot in common with abduction
For reasons that should be evident to the readers of this thread, the Catholic church since 1954 is very careful in not confirming those apparitions

[Roisin]

Corvo, thanks for illuminating me to that information about Tomislav. I find the following very disturbing about the Medj seer Marija:
"She even wrote a personal testimony and alleged messages from Our Lady supporting the Queen of Peace community and Tomislav Vlasic, though she later withdrew and denied these." http://www.medjugorje.ws/en/articles/marija-pavlovic-lunetti-tomislav-vlasic-caritas-of-birmingham-friend-of-medjugorje-terry-colafrancesco/
This most definitely is a serious blow to this seers' credibility because ishe is denying something that she definitely said that's also well documented. One assumes that a seer is someone who is beyond reproach but, in this case, here we have one of the top seer's in that group that's denying that she said that the BVM gave her approval of Tomislav by stating verbatim, what Mary said in her own words in her approval of him. I find this very disturbing.

Also, based on the official Medj website, Marija, who was given all 10 secrets, is the one who is supposed to announce to the world what those secrets are when Mary gives her the go ahead on that.

It's pretty evident that Mary did give Tomislav her approval and because that's the case, then it would be necessary to evaluate the paradigm that he's been operating from wrt the Medj. apparition event.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention and I'm definitely going to research more on this.

[c0rv0]

A video I made to introduce some of the concepts discussed here:
S_7BRI5fXUE

[Alan]

As I posted above the case of Anguera is of interest because gives precise indications of events versus "secrets" that let space to speculations.
In the book I analyzed 25 years of messages and discovered that the prophetic part is concentrated between 2005 and 2010.
Before and after the messages are focusing on general invitation to be ready and to pray.
The name of the locations has been extracted and put on a series of maps. Here some of them.

The maps are published for your discernment: this author is NOT endorsing this scenario, rather pointing out that has a consistency across the cases discussed in the book

This is a world wide overview:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/panoramica%20mondiale.png

WWIII Maps
the war involves a Russian invasion of Europe in 3 fronts of attack. For you consideration this prediction was made during the years of the "reset" between Russia and NATO.

overview Europe
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/impato%20onda%20in%20europa%20occidentale.png


South Europe
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/fronte%20Sud.png

Celestial body impact

location of main impact
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/oceano_Impatto.png
a simulation indicate that the generated Tsunami wave amplitude on the brasilian coast would be between: 96.2 meters ( = 316.0 feet) and 192.0 meters ( = 631.0 feet). In North Atlantic the calculated Tsunami wave amplitude would be between: 28.1 meters ( = 92.1 feet) and 56.1 meters ( = 184.0 feet).

location of a secondary impact
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/westUSA.png


for the Tsunami effect in Europe see the blue lines in the map above.

Hi c0rv0. It looks like the dropbox links to the message above are no longer available.

Is it possible to re-post the images?

[c0rv0]

As I posted above the case of Anguera is of interest because gives precise indications of events versus "secrets" that let space to speculations.
In the book I analyzed 25 years of messages and discovered that the prophetic part is concentrated between 2005 and 2010.
Before and after the messages are focusing on general invitation to be ready and to pray.
The name of the locations has been extracted and put on a series of maps. Here some of them.

The maps are published for your discernment: this author is NOT endorsing this scenario, rather pointing out that has a consistency across the cases discussed in the book

This is a world wide overview:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/panoramica%20mondiale.png

WWIII Maps
the war involves a Russian invasion of Europe in 3 fronts of attack. For you consideration this prediction was made during the years of the "reset" between Russia and NATO.

overview Europe
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/impato%20onda%20in%20europa%20occidentale.png


South Europe
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/fronte%20Sud.png

Celestial body impact

location of main impact
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/oceano_Impatto.png
a simulation indicate that the generated Tsunami wave amplitude on the brasilian coast would be between: 96.2 meters ( = 316.0 feet) and 192.0 meters ( = 631.0 feet). In North Atlantic the calculated Tsunami wave amplitude would be between: 28.1 meters ( = 92.1 feet) and 56.1 meters ( = 184.0 feet).

location of a secondary impact
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25873984/maps/westUSA.png


for the Tsunami effect in Europe see the blue lines in the map above.

Hi c0rv0. It looks like the dropbox links to the message above are no longer available.

Is it possible to re-post the images?

it's not possible, because those links were taken down

[Richter]

A video I made to introduce some of the concepts discussed here:
S_7BRI5fXUE

I took a look at the YT channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuivtMsZ7tfe_sRRG6xx6MA -
where The Alien Apocalypse video originated from, where I
randomly clicked on a map from his playlist called 'Luna'.

There was only one quite interesting (introduction) video (from the mainly Italian video channel)
luogocomune2 of investigative journalist & documentary maker Massimo Mazzucco -

American Moon Documentary. (6:15)
ws3ldthDKpg

You can find the English spoken documentaries mentioned in the above video here:
luogocomune2 https://www.youtube.com/user/luogocomune2/videos

Gosh, it's so easy to get lost on YouTube... :typing: