ISON interacts with MARS

[Sidney]

Interesting video depicting Mars response to ISONs presence. Is NASA busy scrambling to discover what might be left of their suspected MARS base.??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4zXDaxrEsI

[pyrangello]

I believe there is something definitely going on and the ones in charge no that too , however they don't know the severity or lack of either. Many precautions taking place out there , it's a crap shoot right now . Follow your intuition , stay educated and you will be fine.

[lightseeker]

Thanks Sidney for the great video showing the interaction between comet Ison and Mars. Prof. James McCanney's comments regarding this event are very interesting. Ison began is passing of Mars on Oct. 1 2013 just when the government of the US shut down including NASA. Prof. McCanney may have a point that the MARs/Ison event may be the reason for the US governement shutdown on Oct 1 2013. However NASA is not the only agency looking at the night skys. The European Space Agency along with millions of amature/proffesional astronomers look at the night sky daily; especially with the comet Ison in our solar system. Many will be tracking ISON as it makes its way through our solar system and back out into space.
I look forward to seeing other videos of this event, which I as confident will pop up on youtube or possibly on PV.
Thanks again.

[Sidney]

Shocking that youtube has not (yet) been shut down. Holding my breath on that one.

[DeDukshyn]

What if in the photos the result is due to viewing mars through the dispersing coma? Not necessarily that the coma was in direct contact with Mars? Do we know where the comet was in relation to Mars at the time? Actually, does anyone know where it is now? Does anyone know any good links to models of ISONs path?

[sheme]

These are awsome historic images!

[Sidney]

What if in the photos the result is due to viewing mars through the dispersing coma? Not necessarily that the coma was in direct contact with Mars? Do we know where the comet was in relation to Mars at the time? Actually, does anyone know where it is now? Does anyone know any good links to models of ISONs path?

go to youtube and plug in ISON, filter by upload date. There are several, some good some not so good, use discernment . I think at this point we are dependent upon amateur pics and videos. Or go to google and see what you can find there. I have only searched YT for this stuff thus far.


My thought:: If Mars responds like that, what is the SUN going to do when the comet whips around. We should be more concerned about the response of the SUN, than about ISON itself.

This link takes you a natural news article that is certainly food for thought. Timing IS everything.
http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/10/govt-underground-fleeing-comet-ison-7-clues-from-a-beforeitsnews-reader-2466928.html

[DeDukshyn]

I so tried to save up a grand to get myself a good scope specifically for ISON -- something told me it may be worth it. Due to unfortunate unforeseen circumstances, I have had to spend that money on travel and taking time off work ... Hopefully before December I can pony up a few bucks and still get one. The plan was to get something good for astro-photography; wish me luck on this panning out :) Then hopefully I'll be able to post some of my own observations :)

[cursichella1]

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This above is animated. Go here to view it moving (set at 3 frames per second). It looks awfully close to me?!:

http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/comet_ison/

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What if in the photos the result is due to viewing mars through the dispersing coma? Not necessarily that the coma was in direct contact with Mars? Do we know where the comet was in relation to Mars at the time? Actually, does anyone know where it is now? Does anyone know any good links to models of ISONs path?

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/scitech/display.cfm?ST_ID=2544

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With Mars

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With Earth

http://www.astro.umd.edu/~msk/blog/articles/comet-ison-jan13

This website is more excited about the probable meteor shower as earth passes thru the remains of Ison' s inbound path vs worry of a close encounter. See link above.

[ghostrider]

enjoy , they say there will be no new data or pictures of ISON ... space fence down , NASA shut down, USGS shut down , one person high up terminated , military gear moved to puerto rico ( isons impact point ), the poop hit the fan and this comet ISON and the government shutdown is connected ... they are also not gettin any new data from hubble ...interacting with mars , I would say Ison is interacting with mars and EARTH , and our government ...

[Team Zen]

Who's saying Puerto Rico is ISON's impact point? Or that it's gonna impact Earth at all? Curious...I agree with Sierra that the real concern is the effects of ISON's interaction with other celestial objects, like the sun. Can't put my finger on it, but something doesn't feel right, and the "coincidental" shutdown of agencies responsible for monitoring ISON doesn't help either... gulp. :behindsofa:

[chocolate]

Thanks for the video.

It reminded me of a joke I read recently (Please, just consider this as a joke, I am not implying any serious meaning in it! ):

"The planets talk to one another, how they feel, what is going on ... One of the planets points at Earth and says: You have became sick, your temp. is rising, the people are multiplying, what are you going to do? The earth replys: I have a cure for that- every once in a while I get an asteroid and it solves the problem temporarily..."

[aniN]

Have a feeling, that they are getting data, pictures etc. It is just that we don't get any information ( well just a small portion of it ) .. again. And no one will tel me, that we are not getting data because of national (world) security issues or money issues and that no data to the public benefits the world security. They, who lie to me all the time and poison me would secure me? hahaha.. really? I really have to be out of my mind to still believe in the system of the government ( just because I am to lazy to care for myself and have no imagination what to do without it-them) .

[sheme]

http://www.space.com/23034-comet-ison-near-mars-telescope-guide.html

For anyone who wishes to look for Ison with a telescope .

[Sidney]

Have a feeling, that they are getting data, pictures etc. It is just that we don't get any information ( well just a small portion of it ) .. again. And no one will tel me, that we are not getting data because of national (world) security issues or money issues and that no data to the public benefits the world security. They, who lie to me all the time and poison me would secure me? hahaha.. really? I really have to be out of my mind to still believe in the system of the government ( just because I am to lazy to care for myself and have no imagination what to do without it-them) .

aniN- I fully agree with you. There is no way in hell that they are not getting data, it is just absurd that they would think ppl would even remotely believe a lie like that. Are the sheeples that damm dense??(shaking head). My greatest concern is, how the sun will react to ISON close encounter. Does anyone know if the trajectory will take it as close to the sun as it was to MARS? That is the data that I am hoping to run across.

[dpwishy]

If the electrical discharge is true, maybe it wont be an EMP from the sun that the government is scared of for shutting down the grid. Maybe the discharge itself will do it. Interesting stuff. What ever this comet is, I know its a big part of my spiritual path in a way I still dont understand as my inner voice is making a big deal about it. Not in a destruction kind of way, but an "are you ready" kind of way. Im siding more on a personal spiritual event but we shall see.

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

[Bill Ryan]

Have a feeling, that they are getting data, pictures etc. It is just that we don't get any information ( well just a small portion of it ) .. again. And no one will tel me, that we are not getting data because of national (world) security issues or money issues and that no data to the public benefits the world security.


Even if NASA is on standby with all real-time reports suspended, the entire world has not been shut down!

There are world-class astronomers with world-class equipment in many other countries. The Russians, The Canadians, the Australians, the Chinese, the Indians, the Brazilians, the European Space Agency.

The US is not the only country on the planet... :)

[sheme]

Have a feeling, that they are getting data, pictures etc. It is just that we don't get any information ( well just a small portion of it ) .. again. And no one will tel me, that we are not getting data because of national (world) security issues or money issues and that no data to the public benefits the world security. They, who lie to me all the time and poison me would secure me? hahaha.. really? I really have to be out of my mind to still believe in the system of the government ( just because I am to lazy to care for myself and have no imagination what to do without it-them) .

aniN- I fully agree with you. There is no way in hell that they are not getting data, it is just absurd that they would think ppl would even remotely believe a lie like that. Are the sheeples that damm dense??(shaking head). My greatest concern is, how the sun will react to ISON close encounter. Does anyone know if the trajectory will take it as close to the sun as it was to MARS? That is the data that I am hoping to run across.

I hope this helps
http://earthsky.org/space/mars-orbiter-first-to-capture-comet-ison-sweeping-past-mars?utm_source=EarthSky+News&utm_campaign=4566c98fcf-EarthSky_News&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c643945d79-4566c98fcf-393561213

[aniN]

Have a feeling, that they are getting data, pictures etc. It is just that we don't get any information ( well just a small portion of it ) .. again. And no one will tel me, that we are not getting data because of national (world) security issues or money issues and that no data to the public benefits the world security.


Even if NASA is on standby with all real-time reports suspended, the entire world has not been shut down!

There are world-class astronomers with world-class equipment in many other countries. The Russians, The Canadians, the Australians, the Chinese, the Indians, the Brazilians, the European Space Agency.

The US is not the only country on the planet... :)

Of course the entire world has not been shut down. I didn't say that.

If you have any information that can be useful from those agencies for this particular moment in our time when all this is happening I will be very glad to see them.

And yes, we will see and already seeing a small portion of data from world class astronomers.

Who said, that the US is the only country in the planet :)

[Atlas]

* Comet ISON is NOT going to drag Mars out of its orbit and pull it towards the Earth. (I’m not making that up, some people actually believe that might happen…)

* Comet ISON is not (and boy, I love this!) “The Red Hand of Death”. It is not going to shower Earth with finger-like tendrils of poisonous chemicals and wipe us all out.

* Comet ISON is NOT … deep breath… an alien Habitat called “Xanterexx” with 1000s of alien beings on it. (We know this because – oh come on…!!!)

* Comet ISON is not “already pelting Earth with debris”, as some YouTube vids are showing. (We know this because the comet is currently further away than Mars, on the opposite side of the Sun, and its tail is pointing away from us, so it’s, you know, PHYSICALLY FREAKING IMPOSSIBLE!!!!)

* Comet ISON is NOT “changing course”, and “puzzling experts”. If experts are puzzled about anything it’s about how some people – people who are otherwise smart enough to use computers and the internet – are so bloody stupid and gullible, or both, that they actually believe this rubbish.

* Comet ISON can NOT cause solar flares “with its gravity”. Think about it… teeny tiny comet, made of ice, vs a HUGE bloated HUGE ball of ridiculously hot ball of gas. Which has the stronger gravity? Numpties.

Want to know the basic truth?

We know ALL those things are BS because Comet ISON – and the clue is in the name – is a COMET, a big ball of dirty ice, melting in the warmth and light of the Sun as it whizzes around it, and we’ll see it in our sky for a while before it heads back out into the darkness. End Of Story.

http://waitingforison.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/how-stupid-are-you.jpg?w=497&h=386

waitingforison.wordpress.com/were-all-doomed-doomed (http://waitingforison.wordpress.com/were-all-doomed-doomed-2/)

[DeDukshyn]

* Comet ISON is NOT going to drag Mars out of its orbit and pull it towards the Earth. (I’m not making that up, some people actually believe that might happen…)

* Comet ISON is not (and boy, I love this!) “The Red Hand of Death”. It is not going to shower Earth with finger-like tendrils of poisonous chemicals and wipe us all out.

* Comet ISON is NOT … deep breath… an alien Habitat called “Xanterexx” with 1000s of alien beings on it. (We know this because – oh come on…!!!)

* Comet ISON is not “already pelting Earth with debris”, as some YouTube vids are showing. (We know this because the comet is currently further away than Mars, on the opposite side of the Sun, and its tail is pointing away from us, so it’s, you know, PHYSICALLY FREAKING IMPOSSIBLE!!!!)

* Comet ISON is NOT “changing course”, and “puzzling experts”. If experts are puzzled about anything it’s about how some people – people who are otherwise smart enough to use computers and the internet – are so bloody stupid and gullible, or both, that they actually believe this rubbish.

* Comet ISON can NOT cause solar flares “with its gravity”. Think about it… teeny tiny comet, made of ice, vs a HUGE bloated HUGE ball of ridiculously hot ball of gas. Which has the stronger gravity? Numpties.

Want to know the basic truth?

We know ALL those things are BS because Comet ISON – and the clue is in the name – is a COMET, a big ball of dirty ice, melting in the warmth and light of the Sun as it whizzes around it, and we’ll see it in our sky for a while before it heads back out into the darkness. End Of Story.

http://waitingforison.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/how-stupid-are-you.jpg?w=497&h=386

waitingforison.wordpress.com/were-all-doomed-doomed (http://waitingforison.wordpress.com/were-all-doomed-doomed-2/)

You are probably most correct. However, at the same time, thinking that humans know everything is just as ridiculous as believing everything. A quote that covers both sides of the fence well, I think by Einstein actually: "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."

Or my favoraite quote "Believe Nothing, Consider Everything" :)

Besides, I don't recall those topics being discussed in this thread. It was about whether the comet's coma may be interacting with Mars based on one amateur astronomers photos, and if so, whether Earth may have a similar interaction. At least that's what I thought it was about ... ;)

[Sidney]

The US is not the only country (eh hem, corporation) on the planet. :) But the US is in charge of mainstream media, and it does seem as though NOTHING is being said regarding ISON, at this point in time.

This was from September 26. On the Comet ISON website provided by NASA
http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/whatsup-view.cfm?WUID=1545

Then theres the balloon study of ISON. A Balloon??? LOL
Regarding the balloon they are supposedly sending up to study ISON. (if this is an ordinary comet, why haven't they sent up special balloons to study any other comet???) Story credit to cnn.com
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/27/tech/comet-ison-balloon-mission/index.html

I too would be happy to see some data from other countries. But we know, that if someone spills the beans, they lose their golden ticket. A gamble many would rather not take.

[Atlas]

I don't recall those topics being discussed in this thread. It was about whether the comet's coma may be interacting with Mars based on one amateur astronomers photos, and if so, whether Earth may have a similar interaction. At least that's what I thought it was about ... ;)
You're right, many posts associate comet ISON with doomsday but the topic being discussed here is about ISON and Mars.

http://www.uahirise.org/releases/images/ison-montage.jpg

On 29 September 2013, the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) maneuvered to point its High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera at ISON, a new comet passing by Mars on its way into the inner Solar System.

HiRISE saw a small spot at the position of ISON that is relatively bright, like a star, but moving relative to actual stars. The comet's coma is apparently very faint, so these data provide useful constraints on the size of the comet nucleus and its overall brightness, key measurements to understand its behavior and useful knowledge to subsequent observers.

These images show a 256 x 256 pixel patch of sky at the range to the comet of 8 million miles and when the solar phase angle is 47 degrees. Three more observations of ISON are planned for 1 and 2 October as the comet moves through closest approach to Mars at 7 million miles, but with less illumination as seen from Mars.

Based on preliminary analysis of the data, the comet appears to be at the low end of the range of brightness predictions for the observation. As a result, the image isn't visually pleasing but low coma activity is best for constraining the size of the nucleus. This image has a scale of approximately 8 miles (13.3 km) per pixel, larger than the comet, but the size of the nucleus can be estimated based on the typical brightness of other comet nuclei. The comet, like Mars, is currently 241 million kilometers from the Sun. As the comet gets closer to the sun, its brightness will increase to Earth-based observers and the comet may also become intrinsically brighter as the stronger sunlight volatilizes the comet's ices.

Comet ISON (officially known as C/2012 S1) is believed to be in its first pass through the inner solar system from the distant Oort Cloud, a roughly spherical collection of comets and comet-like structures that exists in a space between one-tenth light-year and 1 light-year from the sun. The comet will pass within 724,000 miles (1.16 million kilometers) of the Sun on 28 November 2013. It was discovered on 21 September 2012, roughly between Jupiter and Saturn, by Vitali Nevski and Artyom Novichonok at the International Scientific Optical Network (ISON) near Kislovodsk, Russia.

Written by: Alan Delamere and Alfred McEwen - Image credit: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona

[Atlas]

by Nick Howes, Ernesto Guido and Martino Nicolini:

We obtained new data on comet C/2012 S1 (ISON) on October 05, 2013. The details are on the caption of the image below.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KpvshSKFnmg/UlF-0y1A4qI/AAAAAAAABj0/DmaBJ7zvPQI/s1600/ISON_LT_20131005.jpg

[Atlas]

This image was acquired on 2013 October 5, using a 20-cm reflector and an ASA SXV-H9 CCD camera. Several exposures using various filters were combined to make this color image, with the total exposure time amounting to 63 minutes.

http://www.cometography.com/lcomets/2012s1_20131005_mj.jpg

[Sidney]

Cool, thanks Buares!!!!!
Heres the link as well.
http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/

[Atlas]

http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/comet_ison/

[Atlas]

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/735095533.jpg?1361465619

[Atlas]

From universetoday.com/comet-ison-and-mars-imaged-together-during-close-approach (http://www.universetoday.com/105199/comet-ison-and-mars-imaged-together-during-close-approach/)

This image of Mars (lower right) and Comet ISON (upper left) was taken about 5:00 AM EDT [October 2] in Westminster Maryland using a Nikon D5000 and a Stellarvue 80ED telescope. It’s composed of 44 30-second exposures at ISO1600, stacked using DeepSkyStacker. Credit and copyright: Ari Koutsouradis.

http://d1jqu7g1y74ds1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/10052093356_eefc377e44_z-580x458.jpg

Koutsouradis said via Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/akoutso/) that the comet was not visible with an eyepiece on the scope, but the image stack did manage to bring it out.

[DeDukshyn]

http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/comet_ison/

So it will be coming in closer to earth than it was to Mars it appears ... Looks like Mercury get's the closest visit. Looks like I have a few months to to save for that telescope yet. ;) EDIT: Never mind about the closer than Mars comment .. I was watching the animation backwards and got confused, lol, (there is controls if you scroll down in the embedded content - I was fooling with those) it indeed was quite close to mars at the date of the photos in the OP. Jury is still out though on what he actually saw, from my point of view.

Thanks for the anim find Buares - what I was looking for ... :)

[Atlas]

The link was posted by cursichella1:




This above is animated. Go here to view it moving (set at 3 frames per second). It looks awfully close to me?!:

http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/comet_ison/

[Bill Ryan]

if someone spills the beans, they lose their golden ticket.

But suppose there are no beans to spill!

No beans could mean a global conspiracy. Or no beans could mean no beans.

[Ricker]

From what I understand, the PTB are still unsure of how the sun will effect the position of the comet. So it's a waiting game? I for one am truly surprised how the ignorant the people around me are. I have brought the subject up several times in numerous conversations. Nobody knew what I was talking about.

[Sidney]

if someone spills the beans, they lose their golden ticket.

But suppose there are no beans to spill!

No beans could mean a global conspiracy. Or no beans could mean no beans.

I was thinking about that today in the car. Something just kept nagging at me, like why they would actually just stop all news regarding ISON after all the hype earlier this spring, and it occurred to me, if it turned out to be a dud, then of course, to spare embarrassment they just make it all go away. LOL

That said, I still wonder why they would send a special balloon up there to study a "regular" comet, when clearly they are broke.

Looking at the images that have surface in the last few days, it looks to me no different than any other comets that have come and gone.

Who knows, deliberate fear mongering just for the fun of it? (all the earlier hype about it).

[aniN]

I don't see it like fear mongering or conspiracy. But with all the high technology it would be really nice to see this great peace of rock ;) flying in the sky.

[Richard S.]

* Comet ISON is NOT going to drag Mars out of its orbit and pull it towards the Earth. (I’m not making that up, some people actually believe that might happen…)

* Comet ISON is not (and boy, I love this!) “The Red Hand of Death”. It is not going to shower Earth with finger-like tendrils of poisonous chemicals and wipe us all out.

* Comet ISON is NOT … deep breath… an alien Habitat called “Xanterexx” with 1000s of alien beings on it. (We know this because – oh come on…!!!)

* Comet ISON is not “already pelting Earth with debris”, as some YouTube vids are showing. (We know this because the comet is currently further away than Mars, on the opposite side of the Sun, and its tail is pointing away from us, so it’s, you know, PHYSICALLY FREAKING IMPOSSIBLE!!!!)

* Comet ISON is NOT “changing course”, and “puzzling experts”. If experts are puzzled about anything it’s about how some people – people who are otherwise smart enough to use computers and the internet – are so bloody stupid and gullible, or both, that they actually believe this rubbish.

* Comet ISON can NOT cause solar flares “with its gravity”. Think about it… teeny tiny comet, made of ice, vs a HUGE bloated HUGE ball of ridiculously hot ball of gas. Which has the stronger gravity? Numpties.

Want to know the basic truth?

We know ALL those things are BS because Comet ISON – and the clue is in the name – is a COMET, a big ball of dirty ice, melting in the warmth and light of the Sun as it whizzes around it, and we’ll see it in our sky for a while before it heads back out into the darkness. End Of Story.

http://waitingforison.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/how-stupid-are-you.jpg?w=497&h=386

waitingforison.wordpress.com/were-all-doomed-doomed (http://waitingforison.wordpress.com/were-all-doomed-doomed-2/)

Research done:

Comet ISON is on it's normal trajectory.

Comet ISON "might" disintegrate as it reaches the sun.

Comet ISON debris field will not interact with Earth as the field will most likely not even "graze" us, we might get some light meteorites, at best.

[Richard S.]

http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/comet_ison/

I modeled it in Stellarium by loading comet c/2012 ison.

The path is NO WAY what I see here. It comes way too close to Earth in this model, somehow I doubt this model...

[DeDukshyn]

http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/comet_ison/

I modeled it in Stellarium by loading comet c/2012 ison.

The path is NO WAY what I see here. It comes way too close to Earth in this model, somehow I doubt this model...

In this model, I see the distance of ISON from earth at the closest as much farther than Venus is from earth - maybe about half the distance from earth to the sun. That seems not very close to me ... How far away were you thinking? (hint scroll the embedded content to see the angle of departure from the "horizontal" view - it goes way above the earth)

[Referee]

This is from BP earth Watch talk of a large Volcanic eruption a volcano as big as the State of Washington..

Ra3dlFhdndw

[Kindred]

[QUOTE=buares;740703
We know ALL those things are BS because Comet ISON – and the clue is in the name – is a COMET, a big ball of dirty ice, melting in the warmth and light of the Sun as it whizzes around it, and we’ll see it in our sky for a while before it heads back out into the darkness. End Of Story.QUOTE]

I strongly suggest you review the material at Thunderbolts Project... Comets are NOT 'dirty iceballs'....
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/
an important video to review:
5AUA7XS0TvA

If you go to Suspicious0bervers on YT, you will get a daily update that I've found to be most valuable, but the Best stuff is on his web site via a very inexpensive subscription...
https://www.youtube.com/user/Suspicious0bservers

http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/

Learning and Understanding is key to raising our consciousness.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Atlas]

Comets are NOT 'dirty iceballs'....
Yes they are.

Cometary nuclei are composed of an amalgamation of rock, dust, water ice, and frozen gases such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, methane, and ammonia. As such, they are popularly described as "dirty snowballs" after Fred Whipple's model. However, some comets may have a higher dust content, leading them to be called "icy dirtballs".

In 1950, Fred Lawrence Whipple proposed that rather than being rocky objects containing some ice, comets were icy objects containing some dust and rock. This "dirty snowball" model soon became accepted and appeared to be supported by the observations of an armada of spacecraft (including the European Space Agency's Giotto probe and the Soviet Union's Vega 1 and Vega 2) that flew through the coma of Halley's Comet in 1986, photographed the nucleus, and observed jets of evaporating material.

In July 2005, the Deep Impact probe blasted a crater on Comet Tempel 1 to study its interior. The mission yielded results suggesting that the majority of a comet's water ice is below the surface and that these reservoirs feed the jets of vaporised water that form the coma of Tempel 1.

wikipedia.org/Comet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet)

[Wind]

34wtt2EUToo


We believe that this critical analysis of textbook comet theory can have a major impact on human understanding of these remarkable bodies. It can also reach well beyond the specialized science of comets to provoke a reconsideration of the Sun, planetary history, and a good deal more. We live in an Electric Universe, and the enigmatic behavior of comets provides unique insights into the role of charged particles and electrified plasma throughout the Cosmos.

[Atlas]

From Cristian's post: Comet Crackpottery (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64149-Comet-Crackpottery)



The Electric Comets theory disproved.

McCanney's "Electric Comets" theory can be broken down into a number of steps. Each and every one of these goes against the actual evidence:

1. There are excess protons in the solar wind.
2. This builds up a huge electrical voltage between the Sun and the outer solar system - the "Solar Capacitor".
3. Clouds of planet-building materials are floating around in the Solar System.
4. Comets attract this material to themselves by "discharging the solar capacitor".
5. Comets GAIN mass and grow in size.
6. Comet orbits become less elliptical and more planet-like (near-circular) due to "tail drag".
7. The comet grows into a planet sized body.
8. The new planet becomes a member of the Solar System. This is how all of the planets in the Solar System were formed, except for Jupiter.
[...]

James McCanney1 is a pseudo-scientist operating mainly in the area of "electric universe" theories. His ideas are unconventional at best, and at worst they are pseudo-scientific nonsense. He adds to this various conspiracy theories, most of which involve NASA supposedly misleading the public. Astronomer Phil Plait has crossed swords with McCanney a few times, and his take-down of McCanney's ideas can be found at the Bad Astronomy website. (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/mccanney/misc.html)

[sheme]

Facinating video Wind -have we been fed disinfo all along?

[Wind]

Facinating video Wind -have we been fed disinfo all along?

It seems so. The truth is out there.

[DeDukshyn]

Comets are NOT 'dirty iceballs'....
Yes they are.

Cometary nuclei are composed of an amalgamation of rock, dust, water ice, and frozen gases such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, methane, and ammonia. As such, they are popularly described as "dirty snowballs" after Fred Whipple's model. However, some comets may have a higher dust content, leading them to be called "icy dirtballs".

In 1950, Fred Lawrence Whipple proposed that rather than being rocky objects containing some ice, comets were icy objects containing some dust and rock. This "dirty snowball" model soon became accepted and appeared to be supported by the observations of an armada of spacecraft (including the European Space Agency's Giotto probe and the Soviet Union's Vega 1 and Vega 2) that flew through the coma of Halley's Comet in 1986, photographed the nucleus, and observed jets of evaporating material.

In July 2005, the Deep Impact probe blasted a crater on Comet Tempel 1 to study its interior. The mission yielded results suggesting that the majority of a comet's water ice is below the surface and that these reservoirs feed the jets of vaporised water that form the coma of Tempel 1.

wikipedia.org/Comet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet)

Bit of off topic rambling ...

The most fascinating thing I find about comets is that they contain a lot of water. I don't think water forms naturally in space as either water or ice, in fact - in our solar system, water is only evident in liquid form on Earth, and in frozen form on Mars. How did water come to orbit the sun? Occam's Razor would suggest that since Earth and Mars (possibly Venus) are the only planets with or possibly had, any large amounts of water, that another body, possibly also in elliptical orbit, must have pulled that water off of one of these two (possibly three) planets. I suppose we can almost throw Tiamat (of which earth may be a remnant) in there as a possible planet that used to exist, but destroyed by the "God" (perhaps heavenly body?) Marduk in a violent interaction -- Based on Alan Alfords early interpretations of Sumerian and Babylonian texts.

The biblical (or Gilgamesh-ical if you don't trust the bible, the ancient SA natives also have this story passed down ;)) story of a great flood that washed over the earth may hold some "water" ;) If a large enough body came close enough to earth, the water would be one of the the first things to go and indeed wash the remaining oceans over the earth ... An interesting fact that by all accounts lake Titicaca in the mountains of Peru - the highest navigable lake in the world (I think ~13,000 ft) contains ocean life (such as sea horses and many other ocean only animals and plants) which have appeared to have adapted to freshwater; possible, because the turn over of the lake is ~1000 years IIRC (enough time for life to adapt) -- it is still somewhat salty to this day ... makes all think a little ... about ancient "myths" particularly.

There is still so much that we don't know as humans, and much of that is included in what we actually think we know, but do not. :)

Comets are one of my favourite solar bodies.

[Kindred]

Regarding Starwater:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mAnUFTXcmc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFrbiWJ6OYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGm_mKH7DYk&list=PLE5BBA3A3A4CA8305 and the other videos from this person who is Doing The Science In Front Of Your Eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeCvGhPVAhA

In Unity, Peace and Love

[DeDukshyn]

Regarding Starwater:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mAnUFTXcmc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFrbiWJ6OYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGm_mKH7DYk&list=PLE5BBA3A3A4CA8305 and the other videos from this person who is Doing The Science In Front Of Your Eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeCvGhPVAhA

In Unity, Peace and Love

First video is interesting, but doesn't quite add up properly to me. One example would be the note that lightning and sprites create ozone - not "blast holes" in it. Any electrical spark in contact with oxygen creates ozone - any welder knows well the smell of "ozonol" - the ozone infused wound ointment, because of the ozone created during arc welding. At aprox. 100 lightning strikes per second on earth or 6000 per minute, that's a lot of ozone creation. Just one point. So there's some blatant inaccuracies here.

Explained here: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030320073502.htm

And here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_breakdown

Just an observation, but always good to consider all sources, and it doesn't mean there isn't some truth to what you posted, I just question the depth of the investigation to bring that observation ;)

[Atlas]

Normally, comets stay frozen, far from the Sun. But what happens when they come closer to the Sun? Beyond Pluto, the temperature of the surface of a comet would be below 40 K, or -233 C. At such temperatures, water and carbon dioxide are completely frozen.

But what happens if a comet gets pushed out of the Oort cloud, perhaps by a passing star? If its orbit is changed such that it enters the planetary part of the solar system, it experiences increasing levels of exposure to sunlight. It warms up. Once it passes inside the orbit of Saturn, the sunlight is intense enough to begin to boil off carbon dioxide ices. Once it passes well inside Jupiter's orbit, the sunlight is sufficient to boil off water ice. Although dirt will not evaporate directly, streams of sublimating gases will rip small grains of dust off the comet's surface; however, the dust will preferentially be left behind.

What should happen to these gases that boil off the surface? The comet gradually develops an atmosphere. But why does a comet develop a tail? The atmosphere of the Earth is not ripped off and left behind in a tail as Earth orbits the sun. (This used to be used as an argument to prove that the Earth didn't move, didn't orbit the Sun.) So why should this happen to a comet? The answer is that 1) it would happen to the Earth's atmosphere if the Earth's gravity were as weak as that of a comet, and 2) it does not happen because the materials in the tail get left behind, or stop orbitting the Sun. In fact, all the cometary material continues to orbit the Sun. However, a wind made up of charged particles from the Sun blows past the comet and pushes charged particles from the comet away from the comet. This is how we discovered the existence of the "solar wind." In addition, sunlight (light or radiation pressure) pushes the uncharged grains of dust away from the comet because the comet's gravity is too weak to hold onto the dust grains. The ion tail is straight. The dust tail is curved.

A comet has quite a short life compared to that of most objects in space. Each time it comes close to the Sun, its nucleus shrinks a little more. The supply of ice and dust needed to make the glowing coma and tail grows less and less and finally runs out. A long-period comet may last for millions of years. A short-period one, though, may wear out after just a few thousand years.

[Atlas]

Comet ISON is in danger of disintegration according to new observational data conducted by the Group of Computational Physics and Astrophysics at the University of Antioquia, Colombia.

Optical observations have shown unexpected behaviour in the “light curve” of ISON, which has exhibited an almost constant brightness for nine months, unprecedented in cometary astronomy. It’s been predicted through the comparison of previously defunct comets that ISON has entered a “danger zone”.

Astronomer Ignacio Ferrin, from FACom, Universidad de Antioquia, analysed the most recent observational data of Comet ISON and has identified clear signatures of what he has called an “impending demise” of the comet.

“When I saw this signature I immediately went to my database of comet light curves, and found that two comets had also presented this signature: Comet C/1996 Q1 Tabur and comet C/2002 O4 Honig; to my surprise these two comets had vanished turning off or disintegrating,” he said.

Interestingly, a comparison between the light curves of ISON and eight previously disintegrating comets, is allowing Ferrin to predict that the object has already entered into a sort of “danger zone.”

It faces a potentially perilous future as it approaches the inner solar system and must survive estimated temperatures of 2,700°C.

[Richard S.]

http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/comet_ison/

I modeled it in Stellarium by loading comet c/2012 ison.

The path is NO WAY what I see here. It comes way too close to Earth in this model, somehow I doubt this model...

In this model, I see the distance of ISON from earth at the closest as much farther than Venus is from earth - maybe about half the distance from earth to the sun. That seems not very close to me ... How far away were you thinking? (hint scroll the embedded content to see the angle of departure from the "horizontal" view - it goes way above the earth)

Saw the whole content, I got stuck on the vertical view, Ison is supposed to pass a couple of months before we even go close to it's debris field, so I fail to understand this one.

[DeDukshyn]

I modeled it in Stellarium by loading comet c/2012 ison.

The path is NO WAY what I see here. It comes way too close to Earth in this model, somehow I doubt this model...

In this model, I see the distance of ISON from earth at the closest as much farther than Venus is from earth - maybe about half the distance from earth to the sun. That seems not very close to me ... How far away were you thinking? (hint scroll the embedded content to see the angle of departure from the "horizontal" view - it goes way above the earth)

Saw the whole content, I got stuck on the vertical view, Ison is supposed to pass a couple of months before we even go close to it's debris field, so I fail to understand this one.

Makes sense to me. 0.5 distance from the sun passing as it goes by earth; slowly dispersing tail = couple months before debris tail hits us? Sorry you need to provide more info or a model to explain yourself properly and post some sources if you disagree.

I'll note that your first post here was completely off topic to this thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64070-ISON-interacts-with-MARS&p=740706&viewfull=1#post740706

[Atlas]

Paul Wiegert, of the University of Western Ontario, has been using a computer to model the trajectory of dust spewed by Comet ISON, and the results of his test show that we might have an odd meteor shower happening during the comets passing. According to Wiegert, around January 12, 2014, Earth will pass through a stream of fine-grained debris from Comet ISON, for several days. He adds that the resulting shower could have some interesting properties.

Wiegert's computer models suggest that the debris stream has very tiny grains of dust, no more than a few microns wide, and they will be gently pushed toward Earth by the radiation pressure of the sun. Those tiny grains of dust will be hitting our planet at a speed of 56 km/s or 125,000 mph.

Earth’s upper atmosphere will almost immediately slow them to a stop, because of their size. Instead of burning up in a flash of light, they will drift gently down to the Earth below. If it happens, the rain of comet dust would be very slow and invisible. Months or even years might pass until the fine dust settles out of the high atmosphere, so don’t expect to notice anything significant.

http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ISS031-E-1160581.jpg
Noctilucent clouds seen by ISS

On the other hand, while it’s still up in the atmosphere, there is a possibility that the dust might produce noctilucent clouds or NLCs, icy clouds that glow electric-blue while floating in excess of 80 km above Earth's poles. Those electric-blue clouds over our polar regions might be the only noticeable sign that a shower is happening.

According to Wiegert, one more interesting thing is that the shower is going to hit our planet from two directions at once. At the time our planet passes through the debris stream, we will encounter two populations of comet dust. As Comet ISON goes to the sun one swarm of dust will be following.

The other swarm is going to be moving in the opposite direction, pushed away from the sun by the effect of solar radiation pressure. Opposite sides of Earth will be peppered simultaneously by two streams of comet dust.

Source: Earth could enter into dusty meteor shower from Comet ISON's tail (http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2013/04/20/metor-shower-from-comet-ison/)

[kevlar]

Comet ISON is in danger of disintegration according to new observational data conducted by the Group of Computational Physics and Astrophysics at the University of Antioquia, Colombia.

Optical observations have shown unexpected behaviour in the “light curve” of ISON, which has exhibited an almost constant brightness for nine months, unprecedented in cometary astronomy. It’s been predicted through the comparison of previously defunct comets that ISON has entered a “danger zone”.

Astronomer Ignacio Ferrin, from FACom, Universidad de Antioquia, analysed the most recent observational data of Comet ISON and has identified clear signatures of what he has called an “impending demise” of the comet.

“When I saw this signature I immediately went to my database of comet light curves, and found that two comets had also presented this signature: Comet C/1996 Q1 Tabur and comet C/2002 O4 Honig; to my surprise these two comets had vanished turning off or disintegrating,” he said.

Interestingly, a comparison between the light curves of ISON and eight previously disintegrating comets, is allowing Ferrin to predict that the object has already entered into a sort of “danger zone.”

It faces a potentially perilous future as it approaches the inner solar system and must survive estimated temperatures of 2,700°C.


Paul Wiegert, of the University of Western Ontario, has been using a computer to model the trajectory of dust spewed by Comet ISON, and the results of his test show that we might have an odd meteor shower happening during the comets passing. According to Wiegert, around January 12, 2014, Earth will pass through a stream of fine-grained debris from Comet ISON, for several days. He adds that the resulting shower could have some interesting properties.

Does this mean that if the comet disintegrates as it approaches the sun it is possible that we would have to pass through its debris field around January 12th.

love kevlar

[Kindred]

Some good updates regarding ISON from Suspicious 0bservers, as well as info regarding cosmic radiation - all within the first two minutes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsWsAM3A7MU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Kindred]

Comets are NOT 'dirty iceballs'....
Yes they are.

Cometary nuclei are composed of an amalgamation of rock, dust, water ice, and frozen gases such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, methane, and ammonia. As such, they are popularly described as "dirty snowballs" after Fred Whipple's model. However, some comets may have a higher dust content, leading them to be called "icy dirtballs".

In 1950, Fred Lawrence Whipple proposed that rather than being rocky objects containing some ice, comets were icy objects containing some dust and rock. This "dirty snowball" model soon became accepted and appeared to be supported by the observations of an armada of spacecraft (including the European Space Agency's Giotto probe and the Soviet Union's Vega 1 and Vega 2) that flew through the coma of Halley's Comet in 1986, photographed the nucleus, and observed jets of evaporating material.

In July 2005, the Deep Impact probe blasted a crater on Comet Tempel 1 to study its interior. The mission yielded results suggesting that the majority of a comet's water ice is below the surface and that these reservoirs feed the jets of vaporised water that form the coma of Tempel 1.

wikipedia.org/Comet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet)

First, I'll make the point that wikipedia, while generally 'good' for inconsequential information, is also a site for disinformation to support the current preferred paradigm of tptw. That is why this highlighted sentence is important... what was observed actually caused confusion amongst the 'gravity model' and 'dirty ice-ball' proponents. The findings were reviewed in depth by the Thunderbolts group, and is highlighted near the end of the below video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wtt2EUToo&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLwOAYhBuU3UfvhvcT1lZA6KbSdh0K2EpH

In Unity, Peace and Love

[DeDukshyn]

Comets are NOT 'dirty iceballs'....
Yes they are.

Cometary nuclei are composed of an amalgamation of rock, dust, water ice, and frozen gases such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, methane, and ammonia. As such, they are popularly described as "dirty snowballs" after Fred Whipple's model. However, some comets may have a higher dust content, leading them to be called "icy dirtballs".

In 1950, Fred Lawrence Whipple proposed that rather than being rocky objects containing some ice, comets were icy objects containing some dust and rock. This "dirty snowball" model soon became accepted and appeared to be supported by the observations of an armada of spacecraft (including the European Space Agency's Giotto probe and the Soviet Union's Vega 1 and Vega 2) that flew through the coma of Halley's Comet in 1986, photographed the nucleus, and observed jets of evaporating material.

In July 2005, the Deep Impact probe blasted a crater on Comet Tempel 1 to study its interior. The mission yielded results suggesting that the majority of a comet's water ice is below the surface and that these reservoirs feed the jets of vaporised water that form the coma of Tempel 1.

wikipedia.org/Comet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet)

First, I'll make the point that wikipedia, while generally 'good' for inconsequential information, is also a site for disinformation to support the current preferred paradigm of tptw. That is why this highlighted sentence is important... what was observed actually caused confusion amongst the 'gravity model' and 'dirty ice-ball' proponents. The findings were reviewed in depth by the Thunderbolts group, and is highlighted near the end of the below video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wtt2EUToo&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLwOAYhBuU3UfvhvcT1lZA6KbSdh0K2EpH

In Unity, Peace and Love

Long ... but does look interesting enough to bookmark for later ;) Thanks!

[Kindred]

I don't wish to alarm anyone, but I just happened upon this piece that contains some valuable historical references to comet passages in the past. It's best to turn down, or even mute the volume - loud, dramatic music. It's the message that's important.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilptPUGF3j0

And this piece... an excerpt from the longer "Electric Comet" video posted earlier... detailing the predictions of Dr. Wallace Thornhill relative to what occurred.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn_HqbMmn-4

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Sidney]

Ok according to wikipedia ISON was discovered in September 2012. I have no idea what the correct discovery date is. But according to a document shown in the video here, NASA has been studying ISON since 2011 or well before. You might want to mute the music because its very annoying, and there is no narrating on the video. But this one has me really wondering what the hell is going on. This also states the study og ISON "outgassing", whatever that means. Right around the 1 minute mark you can read clearly that they studied ISON in 2011. WTF???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ5vFIFLwfc

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[Ultima Thule]

@ buares - I'm not saying youre wrong, nor am I saying Wallace Thornhill is right, but I do suggest to view his(and David Talbott's) videos. I myself am at the moment reading their book about the Electric Universe model and it isn't a concoction of theirs but rests heavily on the findings and studies of former scientific giants, Norwegian Birkeland among others.

UT

[HaveBlue]

i too, along with Kerry C, am subbed to suspiciousobservers YT channel. He's good at giving the real juice without the BS.

[Mike Gorman]

Sounds like Dutchsinse ..or am i behind the times?

[Sidney]

Interesting the video I posted that shows the NASA document in its entirety proving they knew about ISON WAY before 2012 has been removed.

[sheme]

I was drawn to this site earlier today

http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/education/carrington.html (Good site for observing earth energetic highs and lows.)

Where the largest CME recorded was in 1859, Presumably the Magnetosphere was intact then.

I then looked for historic account of comet activity that coincided with this year got linked to this item. Of interest to me are the reported mental effects on people mentioned in the alleged historic reports.
Is our thinking along these lines prophetic intuitive or directed . Makes my head crawl.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143458

[Sidney]

Here is the post Sheme is referring to. The circumstances do seem a bit familiar.
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1859 - The Year The World Ended?
My Dad is usually a pretty knowledgeable man, so when I asked him if he ever heard of the 1859 Superstorm I was surprised he said no. Then again, months earlier I had never heard about it, and when I read the articles on the website below it made me ask why I hadn't? Why hadn't others I knew read about this truly awesome sounding time? Some knew of it, but not about it. So I looked into it a little more and other events around the time. I wanted to be able to get a picture of what this time would be like.

August 28, 1859 - The Superstorm. - This storm was observed world-wide and is, historically, one of the greatest events recorded in the last 150 years. Extensive eyewitness accounts and scientific studies, telegraph disturbances and the unique sighting of a spectacular solar flare make this event one of the most interesting solar storms to read about.

http://www.solarstorms.org/SRefStorms.html

Going deeper into you can read articles from the time from various newspapers. Here are just a few but everyone of them deserves a read. Try to picture all the events described happening simultaneously and then imagine them happening now. This was a global event. Night became day, the sky was turned to blood. So why have I not heard of it?

…The present generation have listened with wonder and admiration to the stories their fathers and mothers have told them of auroras and meteors. They have opened their ears and mouths and eyes as they heard of stars falling from the heavens like rain, of the sky at night becoming read as with blood, and in the day time of its being so darkened that stars were visible. Few have had the opportunities of witnessing these sublime displays; but on Sunday night the heavens were arrayed in a drapery more gorgeous than they have been for years…Such was the aurora, as thousands witnessed it from housetops and from pavements. Many imagined they heard rushing sounds as if Aeolus had let loose winds…" [New York Times, August 30, 1859]

The Columbus, Ohio Statesman newspaper had run a short article about a sixteen year old girl ' of considerable intelligence and prepossessing appearance', who had been taken into custody by the Sheriff of Ottawa County. Her agitated state necessitated that she be moved to the lunatic asylum. The conclusion drawn from this, and no doubt her utterances, implied that she had become deranged from viewing the aurora borealis a short time ago. She was convinced that all of this spectacular auroral activity meant that the world was soon to come to an end. [Harpers Weekly, October 8, 1859]

…The influence of the Aurora Borealis has been felt in the Garden District. We see in the police reports, this morning, that several denizens of that delightful spot have been found drunk --- many under a strange delusion, having taken the gutter for their own comfortable beds…[The New Orleans Daily Picayune, Wednesday, September 7, 1859].

The famous American poet William Ross Wallace (1819 - 1881) was a well-known and admired contributor to newspapers and magazines of the time, and penned a poem about the aurora, which was published in The East Floridian, September 15, 1859. Here is a short excerpt from it:

…O ye wonderful shapes
With your streamers of light
Blazing out o'er the earth
From your ramparts of night;
With your strange hazy hues;
With your swift-changing forms,
Light the red-lightning rush
Of fierce tropic storms -
O ye terrible shapes!
Yet through all still appear
Yonder love-speaking eyes
Of the far starry sphere;
So 'mid terror, we still
Can a symbol behold
Of the Heavenly Love
In the flame o'er us rolled;
Evermore, evermore
Though in mantles of fire,
There are pitying smiles
From our God and our Sire -
O Lights of the North! As in eons ago,
Not in vain from your home do ye over us glow!

These solar storms continued, the 1862 Civil War Aurora had reports saying

"Some said it was an Aurora Borealis, or Northern Light, but if it was it was a little different from any I ever saw before. It rose on the side of the enemy and came up very near parallel with our line of battle, and right over us. It turned as red as blood, but when it commenced rising it looked more like the appearance of the moon rising than anything else I know to compare it to"

Tales of fires in blood red skies continued, witnessed by large numbers of people. They'd seen the aurora but nothing like this, and something was causing it, something that happened around 1859. Does the sun go through its own longer cycles? Is it natural? Or was something else affecting it? A passing planet, star, comets? All the talk of comets in the first article made me look around for any references.

There was the Great Comet of 1843, and a Great Comet in 1861, but the dates were too far off my initial start date 1859. Then I remembered a Walt Whitman Poem dated to 1859-60, called Year of Meteors that had recently been linked with a painting. The full story I read is here...

http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease...meteor-mystery

Fires in the Sky
Whitman, known as a keen observer of the sky, included significant references to contemporary as well as cosmic events in his poem “Year of Meteors. (1859-60.)” published in Leaves of Grass. A “great comet” in the poem that appeared unexpectedly in the northern sky is readily identified as the Great Comet of 1860, which follows the path Whitman described and was seen by most of the world.

So now, we have blood sky, flaming meteors, followed months later by even more heavenly signs. Anyone living at that time would think the end was here, as many living now would. So next I decided to check out 1859-60 to see what else happened.

March 26 1859 - French astronomer claims to have noticed a planet closer to the sun than Mercury, later named Vulcan.
May 31 1859 - Big Ben was started
July 11 1859 - Big Ben Rings for the first time
Aug 27 1859 - Edwin Drake Drills first oil well in the US
Nov 24 1859 - Darwin publishes Origin of The Species
1859 - Codex Sinaiticus found
May 1860 - Abraham Lincoln is selected US Presidential Candidate for the Republican party.

The build up to this time saw Napoleon, the death of Kings the birth of Empires, revolution in the America's, everything one would link to an overthrow of an old system. This continued afterwards at an ever increasing rate. The industrial revolution, the spread of electricity, technology, ideas etc. A quick Wikipedia of the 1860's gives this.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia

The 1860s were an extremely turbulent decade with numerous cultural, social, and political upheavals in Europe and America. Revolutions were prevalent in Germany and the Ottoman Empire. The abolition of slavery in America led to the breakdown of the Atlantic Slave Trade, which was already suffering from the abolition of slavery in most of Europe in the late 1820s and '30s. In America, civil war between the Confederacy of the South and the Northern states led to massive deaths and the destruction of cities such as Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, Richmond, Virginia and Atlanta, Georgia. Sherman's march to the sea was one of the first times America experienced total war, and advancements in military technology, such as iron and steel warships, added to the destruction. After the Civil War, turmoil continued in Reconstruction, with the rise of white supremacist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and the issue of granting Civil Rights to freed blacks. These controversies would last for almost a century.

Just a hundred short years after this event we had humans in space. A giant leap for mankind.

So I looked on. And found this.

"On 25th October 1859 a devastating storm hammered the coastline of Britain. While it raged, over 800 lives were lost and over 200 vessels wrecked.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northwest...udnopier.shtml

A massive storm around the same time. It reminded me of Mother Shipton's prophecies. It reminded of Revelations. Has the predicted apocalypse come and gone? Is that why religion has become pointless? Was some passing planet or star meant to have caused total devastation? A new order would take over, heaven would be on Earth and the sinners would have died. Like before. But orbits are tricky things, maybe those in charge had realised that the presumed total destruction would not come? Maybe it came as a shock to them too? Maybe they were the ones who had been deceived? The old guard, the Kings and Queens, now losing their heads. Is that why advanced technology appears to have sprung from nowhere? Knowledge held by a few for a long time in order to stop the creation of a society so dependent on Electricity that the 1859 solar storm would have been enough to wipe out most of civilisation. Planes falling from skies, billions starving, fighting for food and water. Far harder to sweep under the rug. If we were advanced 150 years more the 1859 solar storm may have caused total chaos. Instead, a few wires burnt out whilst the heavens became a glorious yet fearful sight for all to see.

Since then we've had enough wars, genocides, rebellions and TV to forget anything other than what we get spoon-fed. Did Aliens land and take over? The old line 'it was aurora borealis' is almost as bad as 'it was Venus' or 'it was a weather-balloon' these days. Back then it would be a good way to explain to the people what happened. Fill their heads with war, poverty, make them care only for themselves whilst keeping it under the umbrella of society. How real is the world we know?

Did Satan takeover in whatever guise you believe (aliens, secret societies, big horny dude) and begin his rule? The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he did not exist. At this time we have the spread of Christmas and Santa, the mystical man in red who flies through the sky around Christmas. The guy who ensures most giving people remain in debt most of the year paying of the gift tax. The world of today began then.
Now, I'm not into religion, but I read the texts like any other source and try to see the ideas in them for what they really mean. It's history written by children for babies. But keeping with theme I then wonder that if 1859 was Armageddon gone wrong, then is this paradise gone wrong? Were just the few meant to survive? Are they trying to fix this problem now? Some wanting to fix the problem by wiping out the masses with nukes and warfare whilst others think gradual infertility or manmade disease will do the job. Damn, some may even want us all to just get along...

Did we miss the apocalypse because it didn't happen like we were told it would?

All this information we have now could have been released after the fact. Why would the rulers enlighten the people? If we're under control then why provide us people with the tools to find answers? Keeping us stupid for as long as possible makes us easier to control. Only when some large event that mirrors the years of religious fear mongering happens would they demand answers, but only if they survived it. Why worry folk until they know the outcome? Then education became key, explain it to the people, tell them that gods and monsters are nothing more than fantasy. Fill their heads with science and science fiction to explain away what happened. The population is left, knowing something is wrong, but nothing ever happens, the end never comes no matter how much we think it's overdue. Or has a compromise been reached, those that shouldn't be here can stay, as sheep, cattle for the rulers to build their new empire? Using our own ignorance of events to now confuse and separate us further.

I'll leave it at that for now as it's more a series of thoughts than conclusions. I'm still quite amazed by the whole thing and the fact that it escaped my attention. Centuries of black death and famine leading to war and death, rebellion, blood red skies, fiery dragons flying about in the heavens, something large possibly near the sun, night becomes day, and waves smash ships to pieces whilst the world looks on asking, is this the end?

Or is it all just part of the illusion?

[sheme]

http://youtu.be/AXB706zxolc 10minutes

Interesting evidence/missing evidence of the suns possible CME attraction to Ison/Mars. Video maker has shown they have cut the relevant information away from the record- once more we are treated like children.