Question for Bill Ryan or Knowledgeable scientologist (about implants, 'mind-wiping', and clearing)

[Sebastion]

I have been reading Lou Baldin's books on and about his encounters with aliens and what he says they can do to human beings. They apparently have the tech to pull the consciousness out of a human and replace it with another. They have the tech also to "mind wipe" their subjects which completely eliminates any and all memories, which includes past lives.

My question to you is this: If someone who had been subjected to a mind wipe/ memories erased process by ET and subsequently became a scientologist, would they register as a "clear" or "natural clear" using the e-meter in a past lives rundown? Is it correct to assume that because the person's memories had been erased that the e-meter would not register anything and therefore be called a clear?

http://www.4shared.com/office/R9c1zBff/a_day_with_an_extraterrestrial.html

[Bill Ryan]

I have been reading Lou Baldin's books on and about his encounters with aliens and what he says they can do to human beings. They apparently have the tech to pull the consciousness out of a human and replace it with another. They have the tech also to "mind wipe" their subjects which completely eliminates any and all memories, which includes past lives.

My question to you is this: If someone who had been subjected to a mind wipe/ memories erased process by ET and subsequently became a scientologist, would they register as a "clear" or "natural clear" using the e-meter in a past lives rundown? Is it correct to assume that because the person's memories had been erased that the e-meter would not register anything and therefore be called a clear?

http://www.4shared.com/office/R9c1zBff/a_day_with_an_extraterrestrial.html


Hi there, Sebastion, and thanks for the question.

There's a common misunderstanding about how 'mind-wiping' works. It's not actually an erasure. It's an OVERLAY of a kind of 'There's-nothing-here'.

Otherwise, for instance, abductees who've had their memories wiped by the ETs so they had no awareness of what had happened one night, could not get their memories back -- through any of a variety of techniques, including hypnosis or scientology processing.

That's because they were never removed. Just masked.

The way this works is that the 'blank' 'move-on-there's-nothing-here' overlay is removed, and then the original memories are found to be all still there. It's like a kind of 'invisibility cloak', so to speak. The memories are never truly erased.

So if you put a memory-erased person on a scientology E-meter (and asked the right questions), you would NOT see a 'nothingness'. You'd see the presence of charge and mass. You would be able to detect the overlay.

This works with any spiritual implant. If you implant someone with a hypnotic command (like "forget this"), there's MORE in the mind after the incident. Not LESS.

Sometimes, one has to get round the built-in booby-traps (and there can be many) by asking questions like (and these are just random examples):


Is there something there that's intended to be hidden?
Is there something there that's invisible?
Is there something there that's not intended to be seen?
Is there an intention to deceive anyone intending to discover the truth about this incident or situation?

(and so on!)

:)

[Sebastion]

Thank you Bill for your response.

To continue then the e-meter would register that there was still something there which needs to be addressed? And it would take a highly trained auditor to pick it up/or understand what he/she is dealing with?

[naste.de.lumina]

I think
Mass = Energy = Information.
Everything that happens in the universe is being recorded.
When you find the tool, you can access information about all that existed, exists and will exist. The time is just another frequency.
I liked the arguments.

Hugs.

[Bill Ryan]

Thank you Bill for your response.

To continue then the e-meter would register that there was still something there which needs to be addressed? And it would take a highly trained auditor to pick it up/or understand what he/she is dealing with?

Correct. The required (or desired) training level of the auditor would really depend on what was encountered.

Basically, this is a spiritual implant. Like picking a lock or breaking a code, some are simple, and some can be extremely clever and complex, with many levels, designed NEVER to be unraveled. (But there is nothing that in theory cannot be undone.)

In some implants, drugs and traumatic pain are involved as well as the hypnotic commands, and these need additional expertise to process.

A difference here, to focus on your original question, would be a physical effect on the brain like chemical erasure, a lobotomy, or ECT (electro-convulsive therapy). But as best I know, most ET abductors do not do this.

Those are incidents that can be erased in a subsequent life, but almost certainly not in this one -- as the brain itself (the interface between the body and the spiritual memory) would have almost certainly have been irreparably and irreversibly compromised. ECT is not quite as bad, but can still be much easier to handle in one's next life than the current one.

The computer analogy here would be that software problems can be debugged and patched (and viruses removed!), but a hardware problem is of a different nature. If your brain is damaged, you can't replace it like getting a new hard drive. And with a damaged hard drive or logic board, your capacity to retrieve or access data is limited at best. Sometimes it's best just to get a new computer.

:)

[Sebastion]

I thank you for your replies, sincerely as you have cleared up some things I was wondering about. That is all of the questions I have!

Unless others have contributions or questions, you may close this thread at your discretion.

Thank you!

[sheme]

It is my understanding that your vibration has to be a match for what ever experience you have, to take or impose your thoughts over anothers is something one would expect from a lower vibrational being. Stay high and free.

[Sunny-side-up]

Good post Sebastion
I for one would like to hear more on and around this topic!
My mind is so empty of childhood memories?
I don't know if it's because of physical damage,
emotional damage or just a very, very poor memory.
But i'm quite sure there have been ET or Djinn or something involvement of some kind going on way back.

[M6*]

Good post, Sebastian,....Thanks!

My concern, for some time now, has been about post hypnotic suggestian that is imposed on someone when it is
being given with intent for for the mind wiping of the "victim". Is this possible, and what are the consequences of
the reprogramming? I'm just thinking out loud here, but it seems that there are so many self proclaimed "experts"
out there today in the self help arena.....and each one has an agenda that may, or may not, be "helpful". I'm sure a
lot of people who are in the business of hypnotizing people have done a lot of good, but it seems to me that prudence
may be in order where the deepest recesses of the mind are concerned.

Thanks again for the post. There is a lot of information here to sort out. M6*

[Sebastion]

It seems to me that there is a lot more to understand regarding the unconscious, subconscious and conscious mind and how they intermingle, overlap. I would think that the e-meter would respond according to conscious thought impulses, which it probably does. Where I begin to lose understanding is dealing with the subconscious. If the subconscious mind has been deeply enough affected, how then would the e-meter respond because there wouldn't be any thoughts to induce electrical thought impulses for the meter to respond to.

That is where knowledge and education is needed for me for understanding. I would think that it would take a highly trained and expert auditor to approach and break through to that level and then overcome it.

To add, methinks it is in the arena of the subconscious where your powerful connection with spirit becomes more prominent. There are many people who cannot be hypnotized. As I understand it, the subconscious is the gateway between the conscious and unconscious. Hence it could be said that the unconscious is your direct connection with the higher self, higher mind. It stands to reason also that if you have used your subconscious mind to strengthen that spiritual connection, using meditation, contemplation periods to do so, you would not be affected to your detriment by outside influences, unless of course, you became physically mentally damaged.

That is the path I chose way back when, for myself, deliberately using the subconscious to send messages, as it were, to my own unconscious. The results were awesome!

[Bill Ryan]

It seems to me that there is a lot more to understand regarding the unconscious, subconscious and conscious mind and how they intermingle, overlap. I would think that the e-meter would respond according to conscious thought impulses, which it probably does. Where I begin to lose understanding is dealing with the subconscious. If the subconscious mind has been deeply enough affected, how then would the e-meter respond because there wouldn't be any thoughts to induce electrical thought impulses for the meter to respond to.



Hi there: I had missed this new post of yours on this thread. My apologies.

As a further explanation, in case it may be helpful, the E-meter responds just below the level of conscious awareness, registering the existence of charge which the client may not be consciously aware of.

(Don't think in terms of 'thoughts': think in terms of 'charge'.) As best I know, other biofeedback devices work in exactly the same way.

Using the E-meter to register the presence of charge is a little like using a metal detector in a field. The detector will indicate the presence of metal, and will tell you how how much may be there (i.e. a lot, or a little, or quite possibly none).

But then you have to dig it up to see whether you've found a treasure trove of Roman coins, or a bunch of old tin cans. :) The biofeedback process simply tells you where to dig.