They're spraying Edinburgh today.

[Muzz]

Went out for a walk today and saw trails all over the sky from Fife to East Lothian. There is still a mist hanging around as I type this.:(

There were also reports of a light in the sky last night ( ATS forum )dont know if its related.

Peace out everyone.:cool:

[justpeter]

Oh, oh. I'm in England but just down the coast from Edinburgh. Too cloudy to see anything here though.

[JoshERTW]

I'm in a small town in central Canada and theyve been relentless the last few days. In addition to unseasonable warmth (forecast today - record setting 26 C, seasonal norm is 7 C) I notice at least least 1 plane every time I go outside. Last night we sat outside and had a beer, 3 of them went by (one I'm pretty sure was doing a loop and was low enough to see the wingspan... or maybe was just a really big plane)

[Curative]

Muzz, have you managed to convince anyone else of the blatant difference between Chem-trails & the normal contrails?

[Muzz]

Hi Curative.
Nah its the usual resonse, everyone thinks Im nuts but I keep at them.

[Petut Semedhi]

Just to let you know, way away on the other side of the earth THEY are spraying Wellington (and probably the whole of NZ) today. We don't get those fancy crisscross patterns. We have a North-South run Just to the west of Wgtn that always drifts slowly across town. Same on the coast north of here too. Was at Womad a few weeks ago and it got blitzed (as it did a few years ago). I was paranoid and a bit peeved until I noticed that THEY were still at it the day after it finished, and then the day after that.

I kept thinking that there must be some crewcut GI Joe type in that machine, flying it around, turning, coming back and forwards. Does he/she question what they are doing ?

Just because we are paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get us.

[truthman]

The criminals are trying to stop the inevitable. The chemtrails are getting a lot worse these past few days. The smoke scent these chemicals produce is intolerable. I feel sorry for them really. Do they think they are going to win?

Light ALWAYS beats the dark!

Even the dark winning a 10,000 year old battle in the end they will lose the war.

I mean their playing time is up and they are throwing a tantrum. With all the crazy things going on lately my gut is telling me that 2012 might be true after all.

[bashi]

I kept thinking that there must be some crewcut GI Joe type in that machine, flying it around, turning, coming back and forwards. Does he/she question what they are doing ?


They think they are helping: Protect the Earth from harmful UV radiation by implementing an artificial shield.

[jem284]

Just this past week I noticed 6 or 7 chemtrail X's in the sky. And it seemed like they stayed there all week and expanded. Everyday the sky got more cloudy. I can't believe how people don't notice what is going on in the sky. I have told people and they never noticed it before.

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

amazingly we have had normal clouds and some sun this weekend.. no chem trails so far .. i scratch my head at the criteria needed to spray.. it seems random and the spraying is also random in its volume and intensity.

[irishspirit]

Muzz, i feel for you friend. We have been getting it daily in Belfast for about three months. It has been that ongoing that even my missus looks to the sky and says that is shocking. Unlike you, I am staring to wake people up to it now. My wife now sends our children out with a dental mask on their face when they are hitting hard.

Keep going mate, you will get there in the end.


Be Safe


Irishspirit

[Aviator]

I am travelling for my business all over the world. This gives me the opportunity to compare the sky in different parts of the world. I noticed, that chemtrails exist in countries controlled by the NWO guys. I did not see any chemtrails in countries like Yemen or Iran. I was just lately in Iran for several weeks. I did not see any chemtrails, even I was in an area close to a major airport. There is no doubt, chemtrails have nothing to do with normal air traffic.

[Spirithorse]

Wanna see some from Somerset?

When I first heard about Chemtrails I thought of it as something only going on in America or elsewhere ... but eventually I looked at the sky above my head and - oh sh*t - they were right there...
I started taking pics in early 2008, have literally hundreds in my archives.
When I pointed the subject out to others, I realized quite often people react with doubt or fear and some even didn't want know at all.

When I first started researching there was hardly any real information available (at least I hadn't found any) but in the meantime there is more and more very informative stuff available.

[Spirithorse]

Oh gosh,

In the preview the pictures in my above post were all in a nice order but obviously they have different sizes which makes them come up like this... sorry.

...and here another one where I magnified an area to make it easier to see.

By the way, the documentary 'What on Earth are they spraying?'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybWku-lJe6I

really gives a good insight in the issue.

[bodixa]

I'm going to sound like a dummy, as I usually do... But aren't those vapor trails from planes? More visible on a sunny day? Where did the whole chemtrails thing originate.. and who are 'they?' Is this real?

Serious question.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

You can track & ID the culprits here (http://planefinder.net/)
Click on the plane to see its route.
Hover over the plane for info.
The little gifs inside the pop up box is also clickable.

Enjoy.

[Spirithorse]

I'm going to sound like a dummy, as I usually do... But aren't those vapor trails from planes? More visible on a sunny day? Where did the whole chemtrails thing originate.. and who are 'they?' Is this real?

Serious question.
Hi bodixa,

If you watch the video 'What on Earth are they spraying' this will answer some of your questions, I'm sure. Link is in my previous post
Also Clifford Carnicom (Aerosol crimes) offers a a lot of serious background info.
Do some research for yourself, there is lots to find.

[bodhii71]

+1 for "what in the world are they spraying" Even my bible belt friends who have a very narrow perspective have had to admit that there is something very wrong with these " persistent contrails".
As a child I never saw a plane leave a trail that spread or lasted for the entire day.

[bodixa]

You can track & ID the culprits here (http://planefinder.net/)
Click on the plane to see its route.
Hover over the plane for info.
The little gifs inside the pop up box is also clickable.

Enjoy.

Cool - who is tracking them in that map? The public?

[tcjim1]

I live in Tennessee near Nashville and you can see them spraying almost everyday. It is so obvious and i cannot understand how people can look up and see this and not question what is going on. TV and the media have most of the population brainwashed that even if they think something is not normal, they will go on with there lives and be keep occupied watching nonsense like "American Idol", "Dancing with the Stars", "Survivor" and other stupid brain washing junk like that................Ok,...there...I vented.....
I sure do appreciate the Avalon post's...Thanks People......

[Loren]

I've been observing chem trails for years over Toronto,x's.... You can really see the difference between chem trails and regular jet trails. Let's just hope and be positive it is for the best ? L

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

You can track & ID the culprits here (http://planefinder.net/)
Click on the plane to see its route.
Hover over the plane for info.
The little gifs inside the pop up box is also clickable.

Enjoy.

Cool - who is tracking them in that map? The public?

Hi,
Not quite sure. It looks like the community has something to do with it, but it also looks like the gov [other] could also have a finger in the pudding.
The about button on the top right gives more info.

It has been said that the clues/truth is always left in front of us, its just down to us to open that door.

[crosby]

go to aircrap.org and you will find a huge amount of information.
regards, corson

[bodixa]

You can track & ID the culprits here (http://planefinder.net/)
Click on the plane to see its route.
Hover over the plane for info.
The little gifs inside the pop up box is also clickable.

Enjoy.

Cool - who is tracking them in that map? The public?

Hi,
Not quite sure. It looks like the community has something to do with it, but it also looks like the gov [other] could also have a finger in the pudding.
The about button on the top right gives more info.

It has been said that the clues/truth is always left in front of us, its just down to us to open that door.

So if I see a plane that I think might be suspect, I can check it against scheduled flights... on that map...? And if it's not on the map...then it would be suspicious.

[deegang]

Hi Muzz,

I am from Edinburgh, but now live in Haddington (17 miles outside Edinburgh).

Todays chemtrailing was pretty obvious, its gotten so bad i reckon we are being hit at least 4 or 5 days a week. I think they may also be spraying at night, there are some mornings when i look up at the sky and it's just a very pure white, no blue sky showing at all, really bizarre yet no one takes any notice?

Keep posting the photos, i have some i will dig out and upload to.

Gary

[loveandgratitude]

REMEMBER - Do not forget about Sylphs. You have this power to call in the angelic helpers. They will assist. Try it and you will see. It is amazing.

This is a new index page devoted to examing the recent activity of Sylphs in transmuting, neutralizing, and destroying the noxious substances being sprayed as chemtrails. The deployment of orgone generators has apparently played a significant role in helping to bring about this remarkable development. If you are new to this subject, start by reading the oldest article at the bottom and work your way up to the most recent articles at the top.

"Sylph" is the name given to air elementals by the ancient Greeks. If the subject of Sylphs is new to you, you can learn more by reading this essay from ZS Livingstone written in 2004 (http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/sylphstransmutechemtrails06jun04.shtml)



http://educate-yourself.org/cn/sylphandchemtrailindex.shtml



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js1isjIS3WU

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[Bryn ap Gwilym]

You can track & ID the culprits here (http://planefinder.net/)
Click on the plane to see its route.
Hover over the plane for info.
The little gifs inside the pop up box is also clickable.

Enjoy.

Cool - who is tracking them in that map? The public?

Hi,
Not quite sure. It looks like the community has something to do with it, but it also looks like the gov [other] could also have a finger in the pudding.
The about button on the top right gives more info.

It has been said that the clues/truth is always left in front of us, its just down to us to open that door.

So if I see a plane that I think might be suspect, I can check it against scheduled flights... on that map...? And if it's not on the map...then it would be suspicious.

Hi
They will mostly show up on that map, but with false ID's & blank route etc.
You can then do a search on the registration No ie - EI-DEM & cross reference with the likes of this (http://www.airliners.net/). There are planespotting forums (http://www.thirtythousandfeet.com/spotting.htm) out there also. That is just one forum of many.

Edit:
Here is a blog (http://cilmaen.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/are-we-under-attack/) I done a few months back if anyonr is interested.

[deegang]

heres a few shots i have taken recently

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[bodixa]

They will mostly show up on that map, but with false ID's & blank route etc.
You can then do a search on the registration No ie - EI-DEM & cross reference with the likes of this (http://www.airliners.net/). There are planespotting forums (http://www.thirtythousandfeet.com/spotting.htm) out there also. That is just one forum of many.

Thanks. OK. How do we know they are false ID's, how do people establish what they are spraying and who is behind it?

Seems to me that humanity is doing a fairly efficient job of blindly poisoning itself from the ground up. I noted the Leeds pics on the aircrap.org site... but if you had lived in Leeds 100 years ago, as an adult male you would have been lucky to live beyond fifty due to either coal dust, asbestos, pollution or dysentery... caused by the industrial revolution. 200 years of rapid advancement and ill fore-thought stupidity running in tandem.

When we ask who is behind it.... the systemic poisoning of mankind ... the answer has to be WE are behind it. The consumer, the producer, the businessman.

There are a lot more planes in the sky these days. I just think it's that. But that's just me.

That said, if I find out who's doing it, they're mince meat. :)

[Muzz]

HI folks

For those looking into this for the first time one thing that convinced me is when the trails dont show normal behaviour of passenger jets such as this one below.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-dbmXSA0nugwNWOGnyFsBDzGzv4L5kVaeGzEsbddMzYYr3zx8uA

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_GC4zlPbEl0o/SfVGox1-1RI/AAAAAAAAEKs/a8Xuvf0ZWbQ/2009%20April%2018%20Just%20west%20of%20Olympia,%20 Washington.jpg

This to me looks more liks crop spraying.

It gets interesting when viewing from space too

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_C0PUZOwFQ9o/TSMFhWjFR9I/AAAAAAAAACQ/54jyjoP1kmo/s1600/chemtrail-grid-nasa-image.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G2CGGiZh0KI#at=45

Source - http://wighttrails.wordpress.com/satellite/

[bodixa]

Hi Muzz

thankyou for that..

I love a good discussion and to think critically round these things rather than think the worst...

When I see those photos I think that's typical of the trails left if planes are circling of queuing...

It's also typical of short leisure flights... or military flights...

Seriously though, do we really think there are planes flying over the skies of the UK deliberately spraying poisons to cull the British Population?

I'm being deliberately argumentative for a reason, which is that the point needs to be made that claims like this are so serious they need to be acted upon...

And if they are false... or unsubstantiated... then that's another serious issue in itself.

Or am I just taking this too seriously? Seems like a serious business to me.

:)

[Muzz]

Hi Muzz

thankyou for that..

I love a good discussion and to think critically round these things rather than think the worst...

:)

Your absolutely right to question my friend. And I agree to some extent, its hard to say what the intention is with these. The one thing that I do believe is that there is something in the trails that never used to be there.

From G. Edward Griffin
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chemtrailsbygedwardgriffin07jul04.shtml

Anbd more
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/

Why that is I dont know. There are many theories from nano particle smart dust to morgellons fibres.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13288-CBS-Outlet-Calls-for-Chemtrail-Pics&p=126432&viewfull=1#post126432

As for the behavior of planes I have witnessed them first hand doing the wierdest things over my neck of the woods that bare no relation to normall traffic routes or circling paterns.

[meeradas]

that's how it starts, almost every morning
(pics made April 1st)

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not a single natural cloud in the sky

[bodixa]

Hi Muzz

thankyou for that..

I love a good discussion and to think critically round these things rather than think the worst...

:)

Your absolutely right to question my friend. And I agree to some extent, its hard to say what the intention is with these. The one thing that I do believe is that there is something in the trails that never used to be there.

From G. Edward Griffin
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chemtrailsbygedwardgriffin07jul04.shtml

Anbd more
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/

Why that is I dont know. There are many theories from nano particle smart dust to morgellons fibres.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13288-CBS-Outlet-Calls-for-Chemtrail-Pics&p=126432&viewfull=1#post126432

As for the behavior of planes I have witnessed them first hand doing the wierdest things over my neck of the woods that bare no relation to normall traffic routes or circling paterns.

Thanks muzz - these are really great links that show both sides of the coin. Appreciated.


:)

[Icecold]

I hold the same view as Bodixa above and would like to know what is going on. I've never seen a chemtrail.

The Chemtrail Conspiracy Theory has three popular working hypotheses at this time....

There are currently three main hypothesis:

Weather Modification :eek:

Humans have had the ability to physically affect the weather since learning how to seed clouds in 1946, or possibly 1880. The popular conception of weather manipulation is limited to cloud seeding, but the possibility that the extents of our abilities may have progressed in the meantime is definitely plausible. The fact that the military is very interested in weather control is no secret and many propose that the Chemtrail Phenomena is a part of this. If true, what is the goal of the weather modification and what negative effects could it have on the environment? NASA is currently conducting several programs that are studying the effects of contrails on weather and the effects do not appear to be beneficial.

Population Control :eek:

The use of chemical and biological agents by a government against it's own people is, unfortunately, a historical fact. Even unintentional accidents can occur. But, some people suggest that Chemtrails could actually be part of a program to reduce the population and many feel Chemtrails have caused them to become ill and perhaps they are right. If the Chemtrails contain biological agents then people already weakened by other factors may have even died as a result of the additional strain on their systems, but could such a diabolical purpose be the ultimate goal? History has taught that even the most unconscionable schemes can be made into reality by men filled with fear and hate, and with such weapons in the hands of government we must remain vigilant until answers are forthcoming.

Inoculation Program :confused:

Chemical and biological weapons have been used for centuries but have recently entered the world stage as a primary threat. Biological agents have the ability to spread and multiply in casualties. These bioweapons are easy to produce and difficult, but possible, to defend against. The recent actions of the military to require anthrax vaccines for all service personnel show that this matter is of high importance. Some propose that the government may be quietly releasing bioagents to vaccinate citizens via the air. This could account for reported illnesses since a vaccine sometimes makes a person sick. Municipal water supplies might not be universal enough and could be easily sampled and tested, but everyone breathes the air. And the federal government rules the air.


The Scientific Method

1. Observe some aspect of the Universe.
2. Invent a tentative description, called a hypothesis, that is consistent with what you have observed.
3. Use the hypothesis to make predictions.
4. Test those predictions by experiments or further observations and modify the hypothesis in the light of your results.
If the hypothesis needs to be modified repeat steps 3 and 4 until there are no discrepancies between theory and experiment and/or observation.


The application of these steps as applied to the phenomena:

1. The long-lasting trails that have been described as unusual by many are the area of interest in this study. Is there such a thing as a Chemtrail, a man-made addition to natural phenomena, that can be detected?

2. Hypothesis: There is a new type of trail that is not consistent with normal contrail persistence and normal contrail formation physics.

3. An analysis of trails, contrails and the presumed Chemtrails, should show whether any such anomaly was present. The prediction is that if the given hypothesis is true then there will be evidence that there is a category of trail that exhibits persistence inconsistent with and beyond verified normal contrails.
To be valid, a hypothesis must be disprovable, or falsifiable. This hypothesis is falsifiable if inconsistent data is not found.

[jimbojp]

I am very concerned about the issue of chemtrails. The debate, chemtrails vs persistent contrails has been going on for too long and has provided no concrete proof imo, just opinion and speculation and lots of nice photos! (I've taken plenty myself!)
If there is a deliberate programme of spraying happening, where are these planes coming from? what airports are being used? does anybody know?
If someone could gain entry to these airports and examine theses planes we could put and end to this debate one way or another.

[Thefrenzy1978]

We have been getting them in early morning here i had taken this photo when i got home from work early morning was trying to enjoy the sun rise but as you can see they had been hard at work as usaul. http://img541.imageshack.us/i/chemtrails20110311.jpg/




http://img541.imageshack.us/i/chemtrails20110311.jpg/

[Andrew]

When I have observed Chemtrails they always seem to follow the Sun around, as the Sun moves across the sky so do the sprayers following the path of the Sun.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9664/chem3p.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1718/chem4.jpg

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8544/chem1.jpg

I took these photos earlier in the year (England, Yorkshire)

[Muzz]

Thankyou bodixa and icecold for your sharp, questioning intelects. We all need to be chalenged about our veiws of what is going on.

Icecold I think you need to add smart dust to your hypothesis list.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nllOShVgIAQ

Lets not underestimate what they are capable of.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17688-Anomaly-in-the-sky-a-spiral-in-New-Zealand&p=191305&viewfull=1#post191305

With respect


PS just found another for the list - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17688-Anomaly-in-the-sky-a-spiral-in-New-Zealand&p=191415&viewfull=1#post191415

And check these pix out - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13288-CBS-Outlet-Calls-for-Chemtrail-Pics&p=190220&viewfull=1#post190220

[meeradas]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14618 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14618-Post-your-area-chemtrail-pictures-here)

and here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12417

and down here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17738

[Muzz]

More developments..

Drunk Pilot Admits Secret Mission to Spray Deadly Chemicals

http://aircrap.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/evergreen-air.jpg

A major missing piece of a grand conspiracy has been targeted by a drunk pilot. In a small town 30 miles east of the Pacific Ocean in Oregon is the center of a major global operation. At a bar in McMinnville, Oregon, an inebriated pilot attempted to impress one of the pretty ladies with tales of his secret mission.

The pilot’s pathetic attempt to portray himself as a Sean Connery or Daniel Craig caused him to (ante up) his importance and spill the secrets of the CIA’s asset Evergreen International Aviation.

The slurred revelations confirmed suspicions that Evergreen (International Aviation) is part of the major crap dump on the planet. Chemtrails made up aluminum, barium and other ingredients contribute to respiratory ills and change the acidity of the soil.

Evergreen works from over a 100 bases and employees 4,500 people. Delford Smith privately owns the company. They admittedly “perform” for the CIA.

Evergreen was given a no contest bid that gave them all the facilities in Marana, Arizona that previously belonged to CIA’s Air America (Pinal Air Park, Arizona).

The security at the Pinal site is said to be as severe as that of Area 51. It is run as a military base where one lost pilot got an armed escort immediately off the operational base. The 10 year pilot said it was nothing like anything he has ever seen.

Evergreen International Aviation brags of their planes that have 7 times the capacity of other fire fighters. One can carry 20,000 galleons. Firefighting … Right … and next we will be told the chem trails are to prevent global warming as millions more are advancing to an early death.

Evergreen International Aviation has exemptions from the law that are advertised on their web site. They can fly anywhere and not stay on a designated route. Has CFR members paved the way? People like Philip Lader and John Wheeler III … they were in a position to do just that.

Evergreen’s public relations (propaganda) spokesman is handled by WPP run by Council on Foreign Relations member Philip Lader. He worked under the present head of the CIA … Leon Panetta as White House deputy of staff under Bill Clinton.

Philip Lader is an “inside” authority on international affairs and business. He is the non-executive Chairman of WPP Group, Senior Adviser to Morgan Stanley International, and a board member for think-tank RAND Corporation. He is also a trustee of UC Rusal (largest aluminum company in the world) the British Museum and St. Paul’s Cathedral Foundation. Ambassador Lader has addressed trans-Atlantic audiences from the U.N.’s General Assembly Hall to state chambers of commerce and local world affairs councils, is a member of Rockefeller’s Council on Foreign Relations.

Philip Lader (CFR) is a key player driving toward world government. In addition to running the Public Relations for Evergreen International Aviation … Lader is a director of UC Rusal, the largest Aluminum producer in the world located in Moscow, Sweden, Italy, and Australia. Nathaniel Rothschild is a big investor.

Eugenic operation of Chemtrails has had the assistance of Mitre a non-profit Corporation that manages the Federal Aviation Administration, Homeland Security, and IRS. (1) The IRS is part of the Federal Reserve which is a major transmission belt driving the conspiracy.

Philip Lader’s fellow Council on Foreign Relations member John P Wheeler III was recently dumped into a land fill in Wilmington, Delaware. Wheeler III was a consultant to Mitre the non profit corporation with jurisdictional advice over the Federal Aviation Administration’s flight patterns.

Was John P. Wheeler III to sentimental for the killing underway? And got murdered by the Company?

The CIA is the enforcement arm of the Council on Foreign Relations

Mitre is conveniently located in McLean,Virginia home of the CIA.

Thanks to the drunken pilot and his loose lips … the Free People of the world can focus on the criminals who are poisoning our air and our water.

source - http://www.2012theawakening.com/?p=4032

[SteveX]

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/cid_4_3440163060web29120_mail_ird_yahoo.jpg

Unearthed photo of secret prototype. Birds man...you can't trust em.

[Muzz]

lol thats a great photo stevex

Dont worry folks our indigo kids are giving the pilots what for.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2795/4072594473_90800d289f.jpg

:)

[meeradas]

More on this here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17730-Chemtrail-pilot-talks)

[deegang]

Hi guys, these are pictures i took in Haddington nr Edinburgh.

These were taken Sunday 17th April 2011, approx 2pm. Spraying was very evident.
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These were taken the following morning Monday 18th April 2011 approx 10.00am. Its like something out of a sci-fi movie, i have never seen cloud cover like this before?
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Gary

[Fred259]

Hi guys, these are pictures i took in Haddington nr Edinburgh.

These were taken Sunday 17th April 2011, approx 2pm. Spraying was very evident.
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These were taken the following morning Monday 18th April 2011 approx 10.00am. Its like something out of a sci-fi movie, i have never seen cloud cover like this before?
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Gary

I can’t believe people are serious about this. Are you honestly saying you believe that these aircraft are passing overhead spraying chemicals?

Does it sound logical?

[norman]

As I was arriving home Sunday evening ( about 17:30) I was glimpsing up westwards into the bright sky with a few flecky whisps of cloud. I saw enough streakiness and a plane to make me wonder if it was the second time I've seen chemtrails in 5 years.

I went indoors and forgot all about it until now.

I'm about 80 - 100 miles south of Edinburgh near Newcastle on Tyne.


Ain't that strange.

[loveandgratitude]

LICENSE TO KILL

Stop the killing of your children, families, friends, neighbours.
Educate yourself about chemtrails now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFSK6YHcpbM&feature=player_embedded#at=144

[loveandgratitude]

Worldwide Chemtrails Map - Have you seen the Map?

http://www.thestrongwatchman.com/war-room/51-war-room/756-worldwide-chemtrails-map-have-you-seen-the-map.html

I am a former military pilot with 1000s of hours flying personnel and gear all over the planet.

While in the military I had not yet had an awakening. After leaving the military for medical reasons,

I was exposed to some information that caught my eye. As a matter of fact, I was

building a website for a fire-fighter friend of mine. While I was finishing up
the site and looking for tribute videos to the fallen heroes of 9-11, I came
across a few threads uploaded by Pilots for 9-11 truth. I thought, hey, I’m a
pilot, this looks interesting and tumbled into the rabbit hole.


That was 4 years ago, and since that time I have done copious study on
the subject of 9-11, building architecture, and chemtrails. I am 100 percent
convinced that building 1, 2 and 7 were taken down by explosives in a controlled demolition. I am
active with Architects and Engineers for 9-11 truth and I encourage all who read this to study the
materials available on their site and sign the petition for a new and impartial investigation. But I
digress.


Chemtrails are a passion of mine, as I continue to see my loved ones suffer with upper respiratory
problems, asthma, constant colds, and general ill health. I have extensive knowledge of the FAA,
EPA, and ICAO aviation rules and regulations. I will take my last breath doing everything in my
power to get chemtrail activity to STOP. I know there are numerous ideas circulating about the
reasons why they are spraying, but I no longer concern myself with the theoretical. I care not about
whether they are trying to covertly cool the planet, obscure Nibiru, cull the population, or change soil
salinity to control food supply.


What I know is what I see every day. I see nearly continuous spraying operations over my home, and
throughout the skies of places I travel. What I see are chemtrails. I know the difference between
contrails and chemtrails. I have extensive education on meteorology, aircraft systems, and know
exactly how contrails are born. I know all about the standard lapse rate, temperature inversions,
types of fog, and factors that influence contrail formation.


In my studies of the chemtrial phenomenon, I have come across numerous websites, wordpress
blogs,yahoo groups, etc. all discussing the problem and containing postings, photos, and videos.
There are people building Google Maps, Flash maps, and posting data regarding air and soil
samples. I have seen virtually every video produced on the chemtrails subject and highly
recommend the film documentary What In The World Are They Spraying for those looking to
understand the issue in more detail.


My conclusions about the above activity and level of activism have led my to understand that I am
not alone. Military tacticians will tell you that an unorganized adversary is easy to conquer. Each
website, blog, map, and data repository represents a cell of our growing movement. As it stands
today, April 6,2011 there is still significant lack of cohesion within our ranks. The Map is a force
multiplier that will change that.


For a long time I struggled with the chemtrails issue. I took photos occasionally when heavy activity
was observed. For the most part, I felt extremely frustrated and powerless over the problem. I
internalized many of these emotions and found it negatively effecting my mental health and serenity.
While in prayer and meditation, the idea of a global map came to mind. My idea was to build
something that was low on text explanation, but delivered a powerful visual depiction of the chemtrail
phenomenon. I wanted to it to be intuitive, requiring little to no instructions for use, and simple enough
for a child to navigate. I wanted it to be collaborative, as well as easy and free for people to contribute image
and video uploads. My dream was for people around the world to be able to find the map, embrace it's
importanceand make the choice to support our cause. Our website hits are going space shuttle – I just
increased the bandwidth capacity ten fold to handle the traffic.

By the grace of God, I was given the technical ability and knowledge to build such a tool – the
Worldwide Chemtrails Map. It is still a work in progress and light on aesthetics, but high on
functionality. It displays a global Google Map which is viewable in multiple modes. My favorite is
“earth” mode, which allows for the most fluid scrolling and zoom.

The map is powered by an open source content management tool called Joomla. This is a free system
supported by thousands of developers around the world. The map contains data provided by
chemtrail activists and diligent sky watchers from planet earth. The technical details are not
important, what is key to note however is that the data streams are real time and sourced from
individual contributor Flickr and Picasa photo albums, and Google Maps.

The feeds submitted are in RSS (really simple syndication) format and power the dynamic nature of
the site. With RSS, once a bridge has been established, any additions made to the individual
contributor’s photostream or maps are instantly transmitted and updated on the chemtrails map. How cool is
that? So in essence what we have here is the closest thing to a real time criminal activity tracking
tool. Imaging being able to map all robberies, murders, burglaries happening throughout the globe
as they were reported? This is what we have – a living and breathing beast, who happens to
eat fire and fancies NWO ogres.

These programs are all free and take only minutes to setup.
If you do not have accounts established but have chemtrail photos on your computer, I highly
encourage you to get motivated and upload your images and videos – today. We use primarily
Flickr and Picasa photo hosting systems due to their geo-coding functionality. In a nut shell, this is a
fancy way of saying these programs allow us to drop photos and videos onto a map representing
where they were taken. Please include dates, time of day, and any other extra information you feel
will add value. The Chemtrails Map website has step by video and written tutorial instruction guides
on how to get your content onto the map. My many years of military training and instruction finally
have come to good use…

People of our beautiful and precious planet Earth, I am now writing directly to you. You must
populate this map, and I implore you to do so – today. These records are evidence admissible in
US and international courts of law. It is currently a powerful tool but will continue to gain strength as it
is becomes more populated. There are multiple strategies being developed on how to use this
information as a battle axe in the infowar. Borrowing a catch phrase from Alex Jones, what we have
here is a 14 foot, fire breathing, snaggle toothed dragon. The dragon is hungry for your information,
so please choose to feed it – today. When and how we unleash it’s power is being discussed and
planned at the highest levels. For more information visit this Facebook group to get involved:


http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_199512310076393&ap=1

For those of you in the employ of the NSA, CIA, FBI, DARPA, and other assorted alphabet
agencies throughout the world who will invariably read this article, I humbly ask you too look into your
child’s eyes tonight and think of their future. Ponder the chemicals they are inhaling on a daily basis;
the aluminum, barium, strontium. Recall the oath you took to support and defend the Constitution
against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. Consider praying for the willingness to do the right
thing.

This website is mirrored on multiple host servers throughout the world. It has multiple
administrators responsible for updating content and performing site maintenance. In other words,
the snake has many heads, try to sever one and ten more will emerge.

I am the Chemtrail Kook, self proclaimed – and as the immortal Mick Jagger wrote "Who could hang
a name on you?" …

Please contact me via the links below if you would like an interview on your radio or tv program. I
reserve all rights, and insist on maintaining anonymity. I leave you with Ruby Tuesday…

Peace,
Chemtrail Kook

Creator of http://chemtrailsmap.com – Have you seen the Map?
Follow me on Twitter @ChemtrailKook
Facebook – http://www.facebook.com/chemtrail.kook?sk=wall
Email chemtrailkook@gmail.com
Last Updated on Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:32

[Davidallany]

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Has this been seen here yet? Ted Gunderson warns about Chemtrails

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For those who understand German

[Fred259]

Worldwide Chemtrails Map - Have you seen the Map?

http://www.thestrongwatchman.com/war-room/51-war-room/756-worldwide-chemtrails-map-have-you-seen-the-map.html

I am a former military pilot with 1000s of hours flying personnel and gear all over the planet.

While in the military I had not yet had an awakening. After leaving the military for medical reasons,

I was exposed to some information that caught my eye. As a matter of fact, I was

building a website for a fire-fighter friend of mine. While I was finishing up
the site and looking for tribute videos to the fallen heroes of 9-11, I came
across a few threads uploaded by Pilots for 9-11 truth. I thought, hey, I’m a
pilot, this looks interesting and tumbled into the rabbit hole.


That was 4 years ago, and since that time I have done copious study on
the subject of 9-11, building architecture, and chemtrails. I am 100 percent
convinced that building 1, 2 and 7 were taken down by explosives in a controlled demolition. I am
active with Architects and Engineers for 9-11 truth and I encourage all who read this to study the
materials available on their site and sign the petition for a new and impartial investigation. But I
digress.


Chemtrails are a passion of mine, as I continue to see my loved ones suffer with upper respiratory
problems, asthma, constant colds, and general ill health. I have extensive knowledge of the FAA,
EPA, and ICAO aviation rules and regulations. I will take my last breath doing everything in my
power to get chemtrail activity to STOP. I know there are numerous ideas circulating about the
reasons why they are spraying, but I no longer concern myself with the theoretical. I care not about
whether they are trying to covertly cool the planet, obscure Nibiru, cull the population, or change soil
salinity to control food supply.


What I know is what I see every day. I see nearly continuous spraying operations over my home, and
throughout the skies of places I travel. What I see are chemtrails. I know the difference between
contrails and chemtrails. I have extensive education on meteorology, aircraft systems, and know
exactly how contrails are born. I know all about the standard lapse rate, temperature inversions,
types of fog, and factors that influence contrail formation.


In my studies of the chemtrial phenomenon, I have come across numerous websites, wordpress
blogs,yahoo groups, etc. all discussing the problem and containing postings, photos, and videos.
There are people building Google Maps, Flash maps, and posting data regarding air and soil
samples. I have seen virtually every video produced on the chemtrails subject and highly
recommend the film documentary What In The World Are They Spraying for those looking to
understand the issue in more detail.


My conclusions about the above activity and level of activism have led my to understand that I am
not alone. Military tacticians will tell you that an unorganized adversary is easy to conquer. Each
website, blog, map, and data repository represents a cell of our growing movement. As it stands
today, April 6,2011 there is still significant lack of cohesion within our ranks. The Map is a force
multiplier that will change that.


For a long time I struggled with the chemtrails issue. I took photos occasionally when heavy activity
was observed. For the most part, I felt extremely frustrated and powerless over the problem. I
internalized many of these emotions and found it negatively effecting my mental health and serenity.
While in prayer and meditation, the idea of a global map came to mind. My idea was to build
something that was low on text explanation, but delivered a powerful visual depiction of the chemtrail
phenomenon. I wanted to it to be intuitive, requiring little to no instructions for use, and simple enough
for a child to navigate. I wanted it to be collaborative, as well as easy and free for people to contribute image
and video uploads. My dream was for people around the world to be able to find the map, embrace it's
importanceand make the choice to support our cause. Our website hits are going space shuttle – I just
increased the bandwidth capacity ten fold to handle the traffic.

By the grace of God, I was given the technical ability and knowledge to build such a tool – the
Worldwide Chemtrails Map. It is still a work in progress and light on aesthetics, but high on
functionality. It displays a global Google Map which is viewable in multiple modes. My favorite is
“earth” mode, which allows for the most fluid scrolling and zoom.

The map is powered by an open source content management tool called Joomla. This is a free system
supported by thousands of developers around the world. The map contains data provided by
chemtrail activists and diligent sky watchers from planet earth. The technical details are not
important, what is key to note however is that the data streams are real time and sourced from
individual contributor Flickr and Picasa photo albums, and Google Maps.

The feeds submitted are in RSS (really simple syndication) format and power the dynamic nature of
the site. With RSS, once a bridge has been established, any additions made to the individual
contributor’s photostream or maps are instantly transmitted and updated on the chemtrails map. How cool is
that? So in essence what we have here is the closest thing to a real time criminal activity tracking
tool. Imaging being able to map all robberies, murders, burglaries happening throughout the globe
as they were reported? This is what we have – a living and breathing beast, who happens to
eat fire and fancies NWO ogres.

These programs are all free and take only minutes to setup.
If you do not have accounts established but have chemtrail photos on your computer, I highly
encourage you to get motivated and upload your images and videos – today. We use primarily
Flickr and Picasa photo hosting systems due to their geo-coding functionality. In a nut shell, this is a
fancy way of saying these programs allow us to drop photos and videos onto a map representing
where they were taken. Please include dates, time of day, and any other extra information you feel
will add value. The Chemtrails Map website has step by video and written tutorial instruction guides
on how to get your content onto the map. My many years of military training and instruction finally
have come to good use…

People of our beautiful and precious planet Earth, I am now writing directly to you. You must
populate this map, and I implore you to do so – today. These records are evidence admissible in
US and international courts of law. It is currently a powerful tool but will continue to gain strength as it
is becomes more populated. There are multiple strategies being developed on how to use this
information as a battle axe in the infowar. Borrowing a catch phrase from Alex Jones, what we have
here is a 14 foot, fire breathing, snaggle toothed dragon. The dragon is hungry for your information,
so please choose to feed it – today. When and how we unleash it’s power is being discussed and
planned at the highest levels. For more information visit this Facebook group to get involved:


http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_199512310076393&ap=1

For those of you in the employ of the NSA, CIA, FBI, DARPA, and other assorted alphabet
agencies throughout the world who will invariably read this article, I humbly ask you too look into your
child’s eyes tonight and think of their future. Ponder the chemicals they are inhaling on a daily basis;
the aluminum, barium, strontium. Recall the oath you took to support and defend the Constitution
against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. Consider praying for the willingness to do the right
thing.

This website is mirrored on multiple host servers throughout the world. It has multiple
administrators responsible for updating content and performing site maintenance. In other words,
the snake has many heads, try to sever one and ten more will emerge.

I am the Chemtrail Kook, self proclaimed – and as the immortal Mick Jagger wrote "Who could hang
a name on you?" …

Please contact me via the links below if you would like an interview on your radio or tv program. I
reserve all rights, and insist on maintaining anonymity. I leave you with Ruby Tuesday…

Peace,
Chemtrail Kook

Creator of http://chemtrailsmap.com – Have you seen the Map?
Follow me on Twitter @ChemtrailKook
Facebook – http://www.facebook.com/chemtrail.kook?sk=wall
Email chemtrailkook@gmail.com
Last Updated on Thursday, 14 April 2011 16:32

Loveandgratitude, we discussed this last and you agreed you that chemtrailing wasn’t happening so why are you being disingenuous.

If you recall you thought that the Australian government operating from underground bases were dispatching aircraft which refueled in the air (for some reason) before proceeding to Byron Bay (population 5,000), and then systematically discharged chemical substances from these said aircraft into the atmosphere all to the detriment of the good people of Byron. If I may say so it was highly amusing. If you recall I suggested at the time you should consider smoking Marlboro instead.

I have read your latest contribution and I have to say its complete bunkum. If you care to read it you will see he doesn’t say anything, its complete waffle. What is to be gained by spreading this disinformation?

[loveandgratitude]

Dearest Fred,
I did not say thatTBTB were not chemtrailing. What I said "I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE USING COMMERICAL AIRCRAFT TO CHEMTRAIL'. There is a difference between the two.

Please stop telling me that I am spreading misinformation. I have been an advocate to stop CHEMTRAILING for many years, so please. It is you that follows every Chemtrail tread where informed people are trying to tell the truth and you turn up at each and every one trying to disbunk any information that members of this forum bring to the table.

Please, I respect that fact that you do not believe they are trying to kill you and your children, family etc. Maybe go and have a blood test and see what turns up. Believe what you want, but please repect what other people are saying, not just me, many millions around the world are trying to reveal the truth. Just respect that.......

I believe you are wrong...bottom line....too much flouride maybe......... but say what you want, just please do not be disrespectful of others opinions in this forum.

This is a whistleblowers forum and people want to bring the truth that is not documented in the main stream media. Just because you do not believe this is happening, does not make it so. Toxins, chemicals, poisions, neuro-chemicals are being dumped daily in the water, in the air, in the food, in the medicine, in the cosmetics, the vaccidnations. It is imposed upon us. Do your research.

Once again, have your say but I will not sign the death warrant of this planet, so allow me my right to have my say without you attacking each person on the chemtrail site.

The house of cards is coming down. One day you will see the truth, but at what price. Break the programming while you have time.

PS. The population of Byron this weekend will be 45,000. Most weekends we have about 20,000 to 30,000 visitors.

PPS. I AM A REQUESTING IN THE MOST CORDIAL MANNER POSSIBLE TO REFRAIN FROM TARGETING MY POSTS. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY DIRECTLY TO MY POSTS AGAIN DUE TO YOUR PREVIOUS CAUSTIC, CYCNICAL AND SARCASTIC MANNER. POST WHAT YOU WANT AND I WILL NOT DIRECT MY COMMENTS TO YOU DIRECTLY.
BUT PLEASE DO NOT POST DIRECTLY TO MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THIS IS MY FIRST OFFICIAL REQUEST TO YOU.

[ThePythonicCow]

The Project Avalon forum presents a variety of controversial views, insights and disclosures. Fruitful discussion requires that dissent be respectful in its tone and volume.

I don't personally have a conclusion of the matter of chemtrails. I see here a thread that has been presenting one side of the matter, that chemtrails are a serious problem. In the first 40 or so posts, a couple of people dissented, respectfully presenting facts and analysis to the contrary. Having said their piece, they moved on.

In the last few posts, another dissenter has posted, but this time with marked disdain for the posts concerned with chemtrails, and in some cases for those posting such concerns.

I would ask the dissenters to make their case with respect (this includes not "hogging the microphone"), and then if the topic still interests them, creating their own thread(s) to present the contrary view. Like minded people have a right to congregate without excessive disruption or disrespectful dissent.

This thread came close to being shutdown for a short period, while I removed two or three posts.

[Pulp_Fact]

Personally I believe that there are both chemtrails and contrails. I took these pictures on 14th April over Toowoomba, Qld, my dad thinks this maybe a holding area for Brisbane airport, but that is over 130km away, and its the first time I've seen this in the 10yrs I've lived here.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j101/Chooka14/sky%20pics/Picture2186a.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j101/Chooka14/sky%20pics/Picture2188a.jpg

[Fred259]

Listen to your Dad, Pulp_Fact It’s the Toowoomba Hold as you say 130km from Brisbane, so about 15 minutes. Something has happened at Brisbane. The last aircraft burst a tyre on landing perhaps closing the runway and causing a problem for the Brisbane airport staff. With Brisbane closed what happens to all the inbounds from Sydney? Route and take up the Toowoomba hold until further advised.

Here is the holding chart for Toowoomba; the actual hold is 16.5nm west of Toowoomba airport or if you look in the circle and the 9 o’clock position you will see the hold. Notice that the shape of the hold is the same shape as pulp_facts photographs. It’s interesting this airport is 2086 above sea level in the mountains, I thought it was all flat in Australia!

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/publications/current/dap/TWBGN02-125.pdf


Pulp Fact’s post sums up the problem beautifully. His Dad learnt his craft from books and manuals and sound science. The younger generation and I don’t mean you PF but rather school children are pushed toward the web where everything must be right. His Dad won’t know what a chemtrail is and scratches his head in bewilderment before rightly dismissing it as nonsense. The younger generation knows no differently.

Nice Pics

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=loveandgratitude;201092]Dearest Fred,

Hello Loveandgratitude,

You have asked that I refrain from posting in reply to your comments and whilst yes in general I have no problem with that I do think its wrong that you have complete freedom to post some of these more absurd statements all to the detriment of those visiting the site and the forum itself.


I did not say thatTBTB were not chemtrailing. What I said "I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE USING COMMERICAL AIRCRAFT TO CHEMTRAIL'. There is a difference between the two.

I’m glad we are now in agreement that as you say that commercial aircraft are not chemtrailing. On the basis we agree would you also agree that these jet trails are in fact contrails. After all if they are not chemtrails they can only be contrails wouldn’t you say.


Please stop telling me that I am spreading misinformation. I have been an advocate to stop CHEMTRAILING for many years, so please.

Having just agreed this isn’t happening why are you advocating stopping something that isn’t happening. Can you see my point.


It is you that follows every Chemtrail tread where informed people are trying to tell the truth and you turn up at each and every one trying to disbunk any information that members of this forum bring to the table.

You say that informed people are trying to tell the truth, wonderful I respect you for this, I am doing likewise. Given we are now in agreement over these chemtrails let’s follow Paul’s suggestion and start a new thread informing the public of this deception. If you start the thread and I will back you 100%, I have some new images that could be posted up explaining this.


Please, I respect that fact that you do not believe they are trying to kill you and your children, family etc. Maybe go and have a blood test and see what turns up.

No no L&G, I’m fully aware of the situation, I’m seriously concerned for the children, my daughter was one of three out of ninety one who declined the HPV vaccination. But what about the other eighty eighty? Both the kids are banned from using Facebook. They don’t drink fizzy drinks they get water! We declined completing the government census. I along with a few others refused retinal scans in the “so called trial” at Manchester Airport.
So yes I agree we live in uncertain times.

My blood is fine I have a full medical every six months, everything else is fine also or so they say.


I believe you are wrong...bottom line....too much flouride maybe.........

Why do you believe I’m wrong, I thought we had just agreed??? We don’t have fluoride in the water in this part of Scotland, I also lived and worked in Africa for many years and we probably did have many things in the water but not fluoride.


This is a whistleblowers forum and people want to bring the truth that is not documented in the main stream media.

I agree with you about the media, its subverted for certain, but the real facts are available. This is what we should post up on the new thread it’s important.

Here is an example; a lady member in the NE of England posted that her fruit trees and hedge were dying and for some reason her garden that was once healthy is now turning into a wasteland it would seem. Unfortunately she has been reading goofy websites and thinks “chemtrails” and then posted on this forum the comment “they must be spraying at night” The real problem is the goofy website, and her dying garden.

What she must do is stop believing the goofy websites, call the horticulturist and get a professional to inspect her garden. The horticulturist will find the problem and provide the solution. The problem isn’t chemtrails…its probably bugs and aphids maybe something else. I was angry reading her post, she has been deceived.

And; “My eyes are sore and I’m coughing and spitting up blood, it’s Bush and those chemtrails they are trying to kill us, what can we do we’re all doomed”. Then call the doctor something is wrong with your health, forget chemtrails they are contrails not chemtrails. Something is wrong with the persons health that they think is chemtrail related, when in fact it’s perhaps something more serious. Can you see my point?


Once again, have your say but I will not sign the death warrant of this planet, so allow me my right to have my say without you attacking each person on the chemtrail site.

I’m not attacking you or anyone else for that matter. In post 54 above pulp-fact thinks they are chemtrailing Toowoomba and he can’t understand why, so I’ve corrected his misconception and provided him with the evidence of what is happening in his photograph. Hopefully he is now better informed.



The house of cards is coming down. One day you will see the truth, but at what price. Break the programming while you have time.

I’m passing on and sharing known fact which also happens to be thuthful and providing supporting evidence.

The evidence is available for everyone to read and see so I don’t understand how this can be considered programming.

I think we should press ahead and get this new thread going..

[loveandgratitude]

Dear Fred,
Please stop putting words into my mouth. I REPEAT.....I am an advocate for the RELEASE OF INFORMATION CONCERNING CHEMTRAILING. I strongly believe that TBTB are CHEMTRAILING the good folk of the world for many reasons. They may not be using commercial craft to do this but they are certainly using some sort of craft to do their dirty deeds.

I look forward to your new thread where you can express yourself freely and attract to you people who want to hear what you have to say in an interrupted dialogue. I support you 100% in that, but I will not participate as this is not my belief. I wish what you say was true. Unfortuantely the evidence supports this as untrue.

All I am asking you is to be fair to the people who are bringing forth information about this diabolilcal crime to have a forum where we can discuss this without constant heckling from you.

Once again, let me confirm to you that I BELIEVE IN THE CHEMTRAIL CRIME AGAINST HUMANIITY. So, lets not mince words here, tick for tack, etc You have the right to express yourself without bombardment of critics hailing insults down upon you to each and every word you utter.

Thank you for your understanding and consideration and co-operation. Once again I support you having your own thread to present evidence, documentation etc. I wish you to best in your endeavour in revealing the truth.

[Pulp_Fact]

Listen to your Dad, Pulp_Fact It’s the Toowoomba Hold as you say 130km from Brisbane, so about 15 minutes. Something has happened at Brisbane. The last aircraft burst a tyre on landing perhaps closing the runway and causing a problem for the Brisbane airport staff. With Brisbane closed what happens to all the inbounds from Sydney? Route and take up the Toowoomba hold until further advised.

Here is the holding chart for Toowoomba; the actual hold is 16.5nm west of Toowoomba airport or if you look in the circle and the 9 o’clock position you will see the hold. Notice that the shape of the hold is the same shape as pulp_facts photographs. It’s interesting this airport is 2086 above sea level in the mountains, I thought it was all flat in Australia!

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/publications/current/dap/TWBGN02-125.pdf


Pulp Fact’s post sums up the problem beautifully. His Dad learnt his craft from books and manuals and sound science. The younger generation and I don’t mean you PF but rather school children are pushed toward the web where everything must be right. His Dad won’t know what a chemtrail is and scratches his head in bewilderment before rightly dismissing it as nonsense. The younger generation knows no differently.

Nice Pics

Thanks for that Fred, it clears the confusion up nicely!

[Fred259]

Dear Fred,
Please stop putting words into my mouth. I REPEAT.....I am an advocate for the RELEASE OF INFORMATION CONCERNING CHEMTRAILING. I strongly believe that TBTB are CHEMTRAILING the good folk of the world for many reasons. They may not be using commercial craft to do this but they are certainly using some sort of craft to do their dirty deeds.

I look forward to your new thread where you can express yourself freely and attract to you people who want to hear what you have to say in an interrupted dialogue. I support you 100% in that, but I will not participate as this is not my belief. I wish what you say was true. Unfortuantely the evidence supports this as untrue.

All I am asking you is to be fair to the people who are bringing forth information about this diabolilcal crime to have a forum where we can discuss this without constant heckling from you.

Once again, let me confirm to you that I BELIEVE IN THE CHEMTRAIL CRIME AGAINST HUMANIITY. So, lets not mince words here, tick for tack, etc You have the right to express yourself without bombardment of critics hailing insults down upon you to each and every word you utter.

Thank you for your understanding and consideration and co-operation. Once again I support you having your own thread to present evidence, documentation etc. I wish you to best in your endeavour in revealing the truth.

I am not heckling you L&G the problem is each time a question is asked, or if you could elaborate a point, provide evidence for example, you don’t like this and so I am accused of heckling you. If you make bold statements stand by them. An answer is all that’s required.

What you would like is the ability as you say to release information without anyone challenging you. We would all like that wouldn’t we!

[loveandgratitude]

MY GOOD FRIEND FRED
I look forward to your new THREAD.
Freedom to express without ridicule is a wonderful thing.
LOVEANDGRATITUDE