Help using "Brainwave Entrainment"

[william6565william]

Considering the article Silentfeathers posted on Brainwaves (found here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55549-Brainwave-and-Thought-Pattern-Manipulation-AI-Technology-And-The-Invasion-Of-Our-Minds&highlight=brainwave)), I wondered if there is any way brainwave manipulation (or "Brainwave Entertainment", whatever it is supposed to be called) can used for positive or personal use. In other words, can the same system be used to make a person better in terms of thought process, emotional/spiritual stability, etc.?

I did found a website that does play binaural beats to help change brain frequency. You may check the link below for information as well as downloading the software to try it out yourself:
http://www.bwgen.com/

There are already a few built-in "wave entertainment programs", as well as the capability to make your own. I decided to go for the latter with a help from my friend and we used the list from the link below to determine the HZ we wish to use:
http://www.lunarsight.com/freq.htm

My friend Jean volunteered to try it out for himself and we fiddled with the settings so that the program runs at 11.5 to 14.5-Hz (which is said to help increase intellect and mental efficency). He listened in less than 2 minutes before stopping it because it was giving him an uncomfortable feeling in his brain, like it was throbbing. He still has that feeling as of this writing, but otherwise he is doing fine.

I have yet to try it myself, but I am too afraid of what might do to my brain. So I wondered if any of you had this experience and what risks I have to consider when doing this, like side-effects or possible brain cell damage (if any).

[SilentFeathers]

Considering the article Silentfeathers posted on Brainwaves (found here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55549-Brainwave-and-Thought-Pattern-Manipulation-AI-Technology-And-The-Invasion-Of-Our-Minds&highlight=brainwave)), I wondered if there is any way brainwave manipulation (or "Brainwave Entertainment", whatever it is supposed to be called) can used for positive or personal use. In other words, can the same system be used to make a person better in terms of thought process, emotional/spiritual stability, etc.?

Of course this technology/knowledge could be used for good, but most of those involved in discovering, creating, or further understanding this technology have been high-jacked by psychopaths who's only intention is to use it as a weapon.

[RMorgan]

Hey William,

It's entrainment, not entertainment! :)

Well, bwgen is a good software..I have used it a lot in the past.

First, check if you have good headphones. It's essential that the frequencies are transmitted precisely, so crappy headphones and regular speakers are a no go. Make sure the headphones are placed correctly (left and right channels).

Anyway, after using it for a long time, I came to the conclusion that this technology does indeed help to achieve meditative states faster. It will help you to relax faster; No doubt about that. It's a great tech for those who are starting with mediation.

About the other claims, I mean, using other frequencies to achieve very specific results such as augmenting intelligence, increase the production of certain hormones or induce drug like effects, I came to the conclusion that this tech doesn't work for such purposes.

Brainwave entrainment through binaural beats will indeed stimulate your brain to work within certain frequencies (alpha, theta, delta, etc...), but it's not an accurate method to stimulate specific areas of the brain to achieve very specific results.

Raf.

PS: By the way, stick to the default presets. Don't use the presets from the users data-base.

[Jayke]

I'd recommend Dr. Jeffrey Thompson and his neuro-acoustic research. He's one of the primary minds in the field. Developed a bio-tuning technique in which a variety of nature sounds were sampled and montaged together, creating rhythms and tones that stimulate and enhance the various brainwave frequencies at different levels. These primordial sound cd's prompted a phone call from a NASA scientist saying how they were remarkably similar to what the voyager 1 and 2 spacecraft recorded and sent back to earth as they were hurtling through the cosmos. Apparently the planet Jupiter sounds just like the high pitched cry of a dolphin, Miranda (the smallest moon of Uranus) resembles vocal choirs while the rings of Uranus are virtually identical in sound to Tibetan singing bowls.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rENwSOiKnPQ

Using a light and sound machine is much more effective in brainwave entrainment than just binaural beats alone (which are pretty weak and generally no better than if you were to just meditate with the desired intention held in mind anyway). With a light and sound machine you'll be able to develop really deep brainwave states really quickly, like a meditative training wheel. I've had a Mindspa light and sound unit for around 7 years and it still works wonders, although there is a next evolution L&S unit being developed and should be available for retail in a couple months that's said to induce really trippy, hallucinogenic type altered states by those who have been testing the beta units.

The other thing I use to entrain my brainwaves is a white stone carillon (crystal singing bowl), which are awesome for bringing brainwaves into a coherent alignment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAkmgMQJT1M

Also you may want to research Maxwell Cade and his concept of 'The Awakened Mind' as a guide to where you may want to head with this sort of ancient/modern technology.

[sigma6]

I heard that it binaural beats are creating by running two different frequencies in each ear, and the brain will create a third frequency (the difference to compensate) thus they can control the frequency of the brain in that manner... But it takes many repetitions to get noticable effects and you are dependent on the technology to create the desired brainwave frequencies (worst then training wheels...)

I'd like to try some of this other stuff you are talking about... although I had the most awesome experience once in a 'tranquility tank'... (sensory deprivation chamber, a tank filled with body temp salt water that you float on inside a pitch black tank...) I had waking dreams in that...

[lysander]

Does anyone have experience with multiple light and sound devices such as the mind spa, and could comment on their effectiveness? I have tried some of the hemisync stuff and had results, but looking for something one step up in terms of more effective and quicker.

Paul

[grannyfranny100]

Maybe, I am just too paranoiac about black ops. I am concerned about who is actually behind such machines and possible dubious purposes rather than the advertised features and benefits. Are you sure this not just a culling of people they have not gotten with TV entrainment?

[Jayke]

Sigma, both binaural beats and deprivation tanks are covered by dr Jeffrey Thompson in the interview posted above. He says binaural beats work best for people who have one overly dominant brain hemisphere and are looking to create a more cross hemisphere balanced brainwave pattern, the third beat generated inside the mind travels from one ear to the next encouraging cross hemisphere communication, so I'm guessing people who meditate regularly anyway wouldn't notice much of a difference. Deprivation tanks are said to create a situation similar to how the fetus would have felt while developing in the mothers womb, thereby reproducing some of the most primordial and trippy brainwave patterns. Definitely very cool.

Lysander, the most effective light and sound machines are ones which also monitor brainwave patterns and alter the pulses based on real time neuro feedback, guiding you into whatever brainwave state you've chosen to preset, definitely a step above the rest but also pricier, you'd be looking at a vilistus mind mirror combined with a Procyon AVS unit.

Grannyfranny, what isn't advertised in these devices is that they generally work not by actually entraining brainwave patterns like they say will, they work more based on conscious overload that naturally just flips your mind into a theta/alpha brainwave state, the same way a hypnotist overloads the conscious mind of a client as he speaks in hypnotic language patterns, although with the next evolution of devices imminently on the horizon, it'll be interesting to see if they've got any nefarious programming in their preset programs to begin the culling of meditation advocates everywhere :)

[grannyfranny100]

Jayke, thank you for your kind response to my concerns.

Are you aware of Lee Gerdes and Brain State Technologies? BST has the largest relational database of brainwave activity in the world (probably because they have been around since 2000). It is a noninvasive process that identifies brain wave disturbances generally caused by emotional and/or physical trauma and allows the brain to rebalance and re-calibrate itself at levels that exceed older technologies of neurofeedback or biofeedback. They have published research and clinical trials about their help with PTSD, autism, et al. Moreover, pro athletes and artists schedule sessions, too, to improve their performance.

william6565william, I don't think a brain tune up with such "leading edge" devices should be taken lightly. We get enough unclassified info about the shadow government's super soldier and mind control projects to cause alarm. And we are aware of meditative processes that have carefully been developed over centuries. We are an impatient culture always looking for shortcuts and cheap thrills. Please be careful and perhaps consider BST sessions as an alternative.

[Jayke]

My initial response to Lee Gerdes website is that he seems to be a bit of a con merchant capitalising on people's ignorance of neuro feedback training. All the success stories and benefits they describe are found countless times over in regular neuro feedback research going back to the 1970's when Maxwell Cade first invented neuro feedback devices. You could go to a regular 'awakened mind' practitioner for a fraction of the cost and get just as good results (if not better) from a vilistus mind mirror machine. Dan Winter also sells his heart/mind bliss tuner relatively cheaply, compared to just leasing one of lees licenses ($10,000 for only a deposit:eek:), and you also get dan winters full 27 DVD training program on how to train your brain states effectively.

Personally I'd stick to neuro feedback because it trains you how to have mastery over your various brainwave frequencies, learning to switch them on and off at will or quickly entering higher more creative states of consciousness. Brain state technologies seem to want to do the work for you, which can probably benefit some people but when it's a passive process like that it builds in dependency on the device rather than giving full conscious control of the process. Like a heroine addict dependant on the needle rather than just meditating deeply to produce a natural endorphins release.

BST triggered my BS detector unfortunately, I'd steer clear. You can learn all the same techniques and buy the same neuro feedback devices from brain-trainer.com

[grannyfranny100]

So you think it is not dangerous to do this on one's own with brain-trainer equipment as opposed as having to go to BST practitioner. Sounds as if you really checked out the BST site and I appreciate you taking the time to do so. That is so kind of you. Thank you!!

[Jayke]

The only danger in brain trainer equipment is accidentally strangling yourself with all the wires you'll have connected to your scalp or maybe a sore head from trying to figure out what all the graphs and data collected from the read outs mean :) but once you've had some basic training in how to use the equipment there's really minimal danger in neurofeedback equipment, at least in whats commercially available anyway, I wouldn't hazard a guess as to what kind of machines they'd be using in black ops/mk ultra type mind programming projects.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well we have seen several mass killers controlled by MK after spemding time on mind training game controller technologies...

easy way to take control of the world...

it was exposed in Germany, someone with the same name ran a TV show and received a message on a terror plot meant for the owner of a company producing the technology...

their goal was to give it to the public for cheap, $99 and sort out the gifted they could take control of...

no fear... :pound:

[grannyfranny100]

Rocky_Shorz, Humm, t'is the same instincts I have about remote viewing training commercialized for the public. Better to just stay away from all this stuff. IMO, none of it is worth the risk. Thanks.

[Jayke]

It's often been a technique of the government to scare people away, via propaganda, from the technologies and ideas that could greatly help them make quick and powerful changes in their life. Neurofeedback is one such tool that gets minimal media exposure or news coverage even though it's proven to be one of the most effective therapeutic interventions over the past 40 years worth of research.

Just goes to show with the German expose, that you're more likely to get your brain manipulated through watching ordinary tv than if you were to use (and gain some basic knowledge of what you'll be doing with) neurofeedback type tools, the passive ignorant will be manipulated by whatever medium they allow to access their thoughts, take time to learn the science of something and you can then use that same power of influence to direct your life in a much more productive and empowering way.

Guess I'm just fearless then as this type of tech has only ever intrigued me rather made me trepidatious. But maybe my mind has just been programmed over the years to be a sleeper assassin and one day when I'm a little more successful and on the powers that be radar they'll activate me to do something incredibly heinous and evil :rolleyes: but Nah, never gonna happen, don't let fear put you off trying something new, that in itself is being a victim of mind control. But if it isn't for you then no problem, normal meditation practices and yoga disciplines will get you the same results if practiced diligently and with purpose, crystal singing bowls can be just as good a meditational device as neurofeedback, they're actually better when it comes to manifestation type meditative work, many people go down the ancient tech route rather than the modern electrode laden counterpart of neurofeedback entrainment. Each to their own.

[lysander]

Jayke, thanks for the information, the VILISTUS looks interesting. :)