Australian Police cause Death of 14 year old boy.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

My dear friends , look at the absolute over zelous control freaks in charge of policing us.

The story of this childs death is something we need to take notice of.

Police say that the boy was riding an electric assisted push bike and gave chase because he didnt have a helmet.

The boy pannicked and colided with cars and later died.

The Police are spinning this story to relieve them selves of the guilt they murded this child by their over zelous police tactics, praying on the innocent trying to enjoy their free time riding a bloody bycicle !

Now they want tough new laws ! to do what ? fine us for riding a bycicle ? Its rediculous , any excuse to cash in on the death of an innocent child.

Lets say it loud and clear , Police have been at the hand of at least 4 childrens deaths in the last 3 years that i know of by trying to exert over zelous control.

article here

Yes i know how it reads , and it smacks of spin.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/19309822/14yo-boy-killed-in-motorised-bike-crash-after-police-stop-at-miller-in-sydneys-west/

and

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/16/1076779848996.html

Police chases are lethal, it forces people into fear and reacting or trying to escape not because they have done something wrong but pecause of fear of pre emptive predjudice that has taken over our police force. Police are notorious for lying about circumstances to create criminals.

There does need to be tough new laws in place , yes , and those tough new laws are for Police to be given less powers and given a very stern warning to leave people who are obviously not committing crime , alone.

They have become bullies in this country and unless AUSTRALIANS speak up this will not change.

I am very upset about this outrage ! Police need to mind their own bloody business and stop picking on innocent by standers ! go find some real criminals you bunch of chicken hawks !

N
( very pissed off ! )

[Hazel]

Agree entirely Nanoo..

the victims as pawns once more, just like the children overboard propaganda regards boat people a few years ago.. too shameful, too much to tolerate!

[panopticon]

Terrible thing to have happened.

I feel for his family.

The second article (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/16/1076779848996.html) linked to in Nanoo's OP is from 2004 and resulted in the Redfern Riots (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Redfern_riots). Later that year there was also the Palm Island Riots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Palm_Island_death_in_custody) when Mulrunji died in police custody.
-- Pan

[Nanoo Nanoo]

WHat i cannot stand is their blatant dis respect of this poor childs family by using their kids death as an excuse to further their agenda in wanting to ban electric bikes. E Bikes are taking over everywhere ! except in countries where they want to keep the petro dollar taxation going.

Why have E bikes been banned that are over 200 watts ( which is enough to drive a mouse up a drive way )

Its pathetic

we need clean ways of getting around and reducing congestion.

Not more rules and regulations .. its a total idiotic backwards government that thinks electric bikes have to be banned..

hmmm

There is a lot of people upset about police abusing their powers ... i pray they dont take it to the streets.

N

[Anchor]

They have not been banned, its just that any more than 200W and they have to be registered (in NSW with the RTA). 200W and under and they don't have to be registered, can be used as push-bikes, and rules for push-bikes apply (ie: in Australia you have to wear an approved crash hat when on public roads).

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bicycle_laws#Australia )

[Observer1964]

in Australia you have to wear an approved crash hat when on public roads
This is the trick.
They with our sanction by our vote put laws upon us, [even if these laws may seem to protect us against accidents or crimes or whatever]
Then they have to enforce these laws.
If we get rid of laws as they are basicly a violation of our privacy and freedom, we dont need cops (controlfreaks)
If they dont have the power to say u cant do this or that, they cant say you broke the law, so they make as manny laws as possible, so you will always break one of them and thus they can say you are a criminal and 'us' punishing you is justified.
Who are they in the first place to disallow us anything?
they let themselves be payed by the people that steel our money but call it a tax.
All in all I think we are all victims of scammers either in a monarchy by the will of god, or a democracy by the will of the votes of a majority that they lied to into voting for them anyway.

We dont need politicians nor police, we need to work together for the best of us all, and first things politicians do is devide us and then steel from us, and police is protecting the politicians and the rich against the poor that made the rich so rich.

It is a misleading form of the law of the jungle, the might of the strongest (richest)

Politicians should provide us with what we need instead of taking what they need.
Police should protect and serve us, not punish and enslave us.

we have to wake up to these simple things.

those cops at best should have offered a approved crash hat, not cause him to panic or flee
having to wear a crashhat is intruding to someones privacy anyway, it should be a free choice to take the risk or not. that is what freedom is about, not being obidient to laws.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

They have not been banned, its just that any more than 200W and they have to be registered (in NSW with the RTA). 200W and under and they don't have to be registered, can be used as push-bikes, and rules for push-bikes apply (ie: in Australia you have to wear an approved crash hat when on public roads).

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bicycle_laws#Australia )

yes i have read all this , they arent banned , yet

the article is trying to leverage the incident to give further control to the police .. thats what i find so dis tasteful about their spin.

They dont want us using free energy transportation, they are trying to pre empt their use .Why do you think they were limited in power output the first place ?

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

You know what i find strange about the whole thing ? They havent named the boy .. Once these crashes are confirmed and their investigation is undr way they always name the victim because crime stoppers want more information surrounding the incident.


They want peiople with information to come forward who can put the police at the scene of the murder.

Why would the father want more control for regulation ? this makes no sence ... a father would want Police to have less powers to they do not startle their children and chase innocent kids and force them to make driving errors in fear... Shame AUSTRaLIaN POLICE ! You have this one on your head !

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/boy-14-dies-in-motorised-bicycle-crash-20131009-2v6un.html

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

You see the hypocracy in their media spin ! they conmpletely over look the cause of the problem ! POLICE SCARING INNOCENT KINDS ON BIKES !

It could have happend on any bike with or without a motor ... You can get up to speeds of over 50 kph on a push bike without power assisted motors.

What CAUSED the accident is police trying to pry into peoples lives. Had they not been trying to bully this child with their over bearing powers the child would still be alive today. He would not have tried to flee the police , he would have enjoyed his time riding his bike and gone home safe , he would still be alive today !

Now they want more powers ? They should be de commisioned , the officers responsible should be repromanded for their actions.
WHat are tougher bike laws going to do ? nothing .. people are still going to ride them .. people are still going to ride un motorised
bikes and still have accidents when they are pursued and forced to drive beyind their capability !

its disgraceful .. and to think tjhey belive we are this stupid to belive their spin story ?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/10/09/15/07/calls-for-tougher-motorised-bike-regulations-after-teen-death



N

[Lifebringer]

You are right smack in the 1st 4th reich military base. The criminals paid other International criminals with the Jewish people's who were halocaust valuables sold on the market. They used this money to disappear and live in remote regions and abandoned German military bases in those areas. Once there, they were able to be shipped to Antartica, where they have since been intermingling with malevolent beings, to help them to take over. When Ike sent troops to Antartica, they were chased off. I would start on that trail, if you really want to know by now, who's running stuff. The Bush's purchased land in South America, and they aim to ride it out there, since it's the US that will be in panic over the bombardment of space stoning. It's not the Gays bringing that negative energy, it's the selfish hate of the poor, that brings retributions and solutions.

Only thing it's those corporate owned places, that are targeted by Almighty I believe, and some people are just in the way or in cahoots with them. Look at those explosions in Texas and Oklahoma and other places where they want deregulation and are home to the Cheney Gang. They use the hate to divide, and those that side with them, do so at their own peril.

Not about the region, but about the hearts and minds.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

What i would like is for attention in AUSTRALIA to be brought to this problem. Police intervention for no reason other than to satisfy over zelous ex school geeks given hand guns want to exert power over innocent people .. they are using a police force to essentially satisfy a desire for controlism. This should be referred to a psychaiatrist .. the Australian Police force needs help .. they need help and get rid of bad cops who are not doing their job.

This poor child was chased , and made fearful for retribution.. had they not interviened he would still be alive today. thats the bottom line. Their actions caused the boy to run off into on coming traffic and die.

I hope they are reading this , this is not the end of this by a long shot. I had police chase me when i was a kid ... playing with motorbikes and rockets and fireworks and making noise .. its what kids do ! its how they learn. Even back then they wanted to exert control but i had a father that told them, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS , do not approach or speak to my son.

The father of this poor boy had no control over his son .. thats his fault but there are ways other than introducing government intervention. Your kids are your responsability. Not that of the government.

Had the police not been there this poor boy would still be alive today !

N

[Vitalux]

Perhaps on a good note, this is why it is important for folks on bicycles to always wear helmets for protection, and obey traffic laws.

Had the boy been wearing proper safety equipment and not tried to evade the police this story would have ended differently.

http://cdn3.healthcommunities.com/hcmedia/2011/07/girl-bike-helmet-mf.gif

[Nanoo Nanoo]

The child slammed into a car windscreen and bounced off onto another windscreen ... no safety equipment on earth would have saved him. to survive that you would have to be in a space suit made from titanium !

Evading police ? what do you think every body is doing now ? why ? because of the Police abuse ! its a reaction , a natural one , not because of guilt but because there is no trust .. why is there no trust with Piolice ? because they have a proven track record of abusing people , harming them , even hurting them deliberately behind closed doors. Running from Police is an instinctual survival reaction based on social programming. The police need to work on this very bad public image.

N

[Snowflower]

Vitalux, a cop trespassed on my property one day. I told him to leave. His response was, "What do you have to hide?" Your reaction to this child being killed is very much the same. The assumption "what do you have to hide," rather than, "it is your right to your privacy" is the same as saying, "if the child hadn't run from the cop, he wouldn't have died."

I could tell you until I'm blue in the face how bad the situation with psychopathic cops is. You won't believe it until you experience it for yourself. It does not matter what the laws are or whether you're obeying a law or disobeying a law. If you happen, by chance, to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people, things will not go well for you. That's just the way it is and part of the reason this civilization is in the process of total collapse.

[Observer1964]

Perhaps on a good note, this is why it is important for folks on bicycles to always wear helmets for protection, and obey traffic laws.

Had the boy been wearing proper safety equipment and not tried to evade the police this story would have ended differently.

http://cdn3.healthcommunities.com/hcmedia/2011/07/girl-bike-helmet-mf.gif
I fail to see your point. Wearing a helmet can provide a certain safety in case of accident, but wearing a helmet to stop the police from harrasing you is not what a helmet is for.
I feel like youre saying if he would been obidiant he would still be alive.

and that makes me think of a quote;

Happy slaves are the bitterest enemies of freedom. ~ Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach

how manny laws we have to obide to before we realise that these laws make slaves out of free man.

How often should we let them punish us, only so they can punish us again and again.

At what point do we see that we have become slaves.

How manny 14 yr old boys have to die before we see that we are being ruled by egomaniacs.

Just a question.
When a police car is driving behind you, do you feel so much saver, or do you feel uncertain?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

WHat we need to take notice of is how all of the new media spin the story , its basically cut and paste .. there are no individualised accounts or reports of the incidents.. SO they try to sway peoples opinions with these tradgedies.

If people cry out against the police and ask them to stand down and stop police chases or harrasment it will go against their agenda. If they truly cared this would not have happened. The boy was chased for almost 1 km .. they wanted to win , they wanted to catch him ... but as soon as it turns sour they wash their hands and try to turn it around ..

Its disgraceful ! Our reporting MSM are parasitical mis fits.

Am i angry ? Yep ! damn straight , its not my normal way , i never get angry but this time i am , and i am motivated.

N

[Vitalux]

Just a question.
When a police car is driving behind you, do you feel so much saver, or do you feel uncertain?

Actually I feel nothing but love :luv: for the human-being inside that police car.

I am thankful that my son/ daughter, my brother, my father, neighbor, my friend or, a stranger, feels enough love inside for his fellow human-beings that he or she is willing to try and help the world become a better place.

I live a very happy safe existence knowing my community is safe and that everyone follows the rules which make a society possible.

I love everyone. :grouphug:

[Anchor]

WHat we need to take notice of is how all of the new media spin the story , its basically cut and paste .. there are no individualised accounts or reports of the incidents.. SO they try to sway peoples opinions with these tradgedies.

It seems that you are so angry it has clouded you. You are using same tactics that the MSM use in order to present your own case (and no doubt your challengers would say, your agenda).

You have presented facts in this thread that are not backed up by anything you have referenced in the media. Did you witness the accident? If so, then I can understand why you are angry - seeing road accidents is horrible.

Consider first the topic title? The police did not "murder" the child. The child had a fatal accident because he panicked and ran - this is a massive tragedy.

From what I can make out from the reports I read, it seems he only had the bike for one day. His Dad said he should not have had one, well in that case how did he get one? If his Dad thought they were so bad why did he let his son ride one? If his Dad bought him an ebike, why not a helmet too? There is so much we don't know here and we need to know before we can focus our response - even if that is anger.

Consider that the story is only peripherally about ebikes but was actually about riding a bike without a helmet.

It seems to me that ebikes are getting the blame because no-one wants to admit that they failed the child - and that is what happened, the child was let down. Let down by the police, let down by the parents and ultimately by all of us - we all contribute to the situation that bought about that child's death - and by this I refer to the connectedness of all things.

If you ride a bike in Australia without a helmet the police will intervene if you are spotted - you are an idiot if you think they wont. We all pay them to do this! Remember most Australians approve the crash hat law.

We do not know all the facts here. We don't know the history or context. We don't know if the police were well behaved or acted inappropriately. Certainly, I have seen some really crappy police work in Australia, but I will also say, that many times I have seen some actions by the police that have demonstrated exceedingly high levels of compassion and maturity in difficult situations.

However, for whatever reason I think your anger has polarized you. I think that you need to get past that before you can do this subject justice - because the way you have put this thread does no flavors for your overall intent (in my humble opinion).

Anchor..

PS: Just as an aside on ebikes... Have you riden a 200W ebike? I have not - I have not got mine yet, but based on what my friends tell me - they are not as weak as you first may have assumed - if they were not speed limited they would be very fast, but the legal ones are speed limited. Consider that 200W is almost a 1/3 of a horse power and a remember horse can easily pull a cart with three people in it. That said a 1000W one is much more fun ;) - and these are legal if they comply with the Australian Design Rules, you register them and pay the annual road license fee.

[sigma6]

WHat i cannot stand is their blatant dis respect of this poor childs family by using their kids death as an excuse to further their agenda in wanting to ban electric bikes. E Bikes are taking over everywhere ! except in countries where they want to keep the petro dollar taxation going.

Why have E bikes been banned that are over 200 watts ( which is enough to drive a mouse up a drive way )

Its pathetic

we need clean ways of getting around and reducing congestion.

Not more rules and regulations .. its a total idiotic backwards government that thinks electric bikes have to be banned..

hmmm

There is a lot of people upset about police abusing their powers ... i pray they dont take it to the streets.

N

I saw this coming... but not exactly in this way... people freely driving their e-bikes, outside the their legal "definition" .... well look at all the money we can be making from that? ... how can we just allow all that money to just sit there, when it can be going into our coffers? it's all a charade... point is it always was... the police are just the public side of organized crime, always were, always will be... get rid of the police and give the people guns and a proper education... cancerous parasites... feeding on our ignorance unfortunately

[Nanoo Nanoo]

WHat i cannot stand is their blatant dis respect of this poor childs family by using their kids death as an excuse to further their agenda in wanting to ban electric bikes. E Bikes are taking over everywhere ! except in countries where they want to keep the petro dollar taxation going.

Why have E bikes been banned that are over 200 watts ( which is enough to drive a mouse up a drive way )

Its pathetic

we need clean ways of getting around and reducing congestion.

Not more rules and regulations .. its a total idiotic backwards government that thinks electric bikes have to be banned..

hmmm

There is a lot of people upset about police abusing their powers ... i pray they dont take it to the streets.

N

I saw this coming... but not exactly in this way... people freely driving their e-bikes, outside the their legal "definition" .... well look at all the money we can be making from that? ... how can we just allow all that money to just sit there, when it can be going into our coffers? it's all a charade... point is it always was... the police are just the public side of organized crime, always were, always will be... get rid of the police and give the people guns and a proper education... cancerous parasites... feeding on our ignorance unfortunately

Im with you

either we all get guns or nobody does ..

either way im cool with it

Anchor i hear you brother , and you know me .. im not one to be angry or lead with anger .. and yes i designed this thread to get attention by stating the results of a growing cancers actions upon innocent public.

The net result is WHY DO WE HAVE FEAR WHEN WE SEE POLICE ? its too easy to say , " if you havendt done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about " but thats BS too because Police lie and cheat to manufacture evidense , whatever it takes to remove the eggs on their faces as they have so many times from over zelous behaviour.

Anchor i know you drive on the freeways .. why is it when you are driving 100 kph on a free way and not breaking the speed limit that when you spot a Mobile Police Money Making Speed Trap that people put the brakes on un neesesarily and slow the traffic down to 70 or less ? Why is that ? we have to realise that THIS is what causes accidents ... not the speed you travel at /.. This all ties into a culture of drivers who are afraid of losing their licence and an ability to earning an hionest living because of scare tactics that have absolutely nothing to do with safey !

They are getting away with it ! and we are doing nothing .. something has to happen now before we become another American cautionary tale.

N

[sigma6]

Perhaps on a good note, this is why it is important for folks on bicycles to always wear helmets for protection, and obey traffic laws.

Had the boy been wearing proper safety equipment and not tried to evade the police this story would have ended differently.

http://cdn3.healthcommunities.com/hcmedia/2011/07/girl-bike-helmet-mf.gif

total BS imo, I never wore a helmet riding a bike for my entire life... and I don't need some parasite using it as an excuse to pro-actively impair my freedom of choice... I know more people who survived car accident who specifically told me for example if they were wearing their seat belts they would be dead... but survived because the mobility to move out of harms way... forcing people to do things against their will because of one size fits all (unproven) rationalizations (I don't doubt for a second they fake their "statistics") is distorting everyone's karma, but that is part of their game isn't it... the safety thing is a BS "cover story" another rationalization... all statute law is about COMMERCE...

[sigma6]

btw, when cops assault someone, it is standard practice they immediately file charges that they were assaulted, I have seen this more then on one occasion, so I suspect there is a specific legal interpretation (other then the fact they are just being hypocritical liars). It has both legal and financial ramifications... they have subtly changed the "statutory regulations" (these are not laws!) to make every situation into a commercially positive money making situation from an accounting point of view, that is the problem with "punishing" people with fines... It is the most ineffective way to "adjust behavior" in fact it creates the opposite, anger, resentment, frustration, hatred... they are very much aware of this... it is intentional... that just means more business down the road...

This isn't about prejudice it is about reality... the Romans of 2000 years ago, would be looking on in envy at the system that has spawned today... If people just stopped watching all the bogus, mind control propaganda television and looked at the codes, the court system, the interpretations, it all has one thing in common. A constant increase in the amount of money they charge, fine, or an increase on creating a "record" which will increase their chances of extracting money next time.

It shows you the system is not what you think of it... not what you think at all... If you think you understand how the system works you are living in a fantasy world...

[Nanoo Nanoo]

btw, when cops assault someone, it is standard practice they immediately file charges that they were assaulted, I have seen this more then on one occasion, so I suspect there is a specific legal interpretation (other then the fact they are just being hypocritical liars). It has both legal and financial ramifications... they have subtly changed the "statutory regulations" (these are not laws!) to make every situation into a commercially positive money making situation from an accounting point of view, that is the problem with "punishing" people with fines... It is the most ineffective way to "adjust behavior" in fact it creates the opposite, anger, resentment, frustration, hatred... they are very much aware of this... it is intentional... that just means more business down the road...

This isn't about prejudice it is about reality... the Romans of 2000 years ago, would be looking on in envy at the system that has spawned today... If people just stopped watching all the bogus, mind control propaganda television and looked at the codes, the court system, the interpretations, it all has one thing in common. A constant increase in the amount of money they charge, fine, or an increase on creating a "record" which will increase their chances of extracting money next time.

It shows you the system is not what you think of it... not what you think at all... If you think you understand how the system works you are living in a fantasy world...

I whole heartedly agree.

This is exactly whats happening right now ! In AUSTRaLIA the next Police State ! Its gestapo germany here .. pre emptive predjudice. I have a lot of respect for the good police out there .. but the ones who need to pull their head in , that need councelling , that need to understand LOVE before DUTY .. Yes i care more about those Police Officers than most because they now have to live with the fact they directly caused the death of a 14 year old child ! They have to live with this for the rest of their lives.. and dont think they dont care .. They do , and they suffer too and the falce power trip they are on is short circuiting their ability to use reasoning and patience. Intead they are Gung ho rushing in without taking into account the rammifications of their abuse of power.

Putting your sirens on and chasing a child on a bike ... its shameful ... there is no need ... they should have the presence of mind to let it go. But how can they when MSM do not cover the other parts of this happening. Its all spun to make the E Bike the culpret. And yet another civil liberty is shut down

its part of their agenda. Shut down cheap economical transport .. The American Government Did it by banning the electric cars and having re called and destroyed ! This is the beginning of the same thing.

Who is covering the other side of the coin ? the voice of the people ? The reasoning of events that are not skewed to serve only one party ..;. We can !

N

[Vitalux]

Perhaps on a good note, this is why it is important for folks on bicycles to always wear helmets for protection, and obey traffic laws.

Had the boy been wearing proper safety equipment and not tried to evade the police this story would have ended differently.

http://cdn3.healthcommunities.com/hcmedia/2011/07/girl-bike-helmet-mf.gif

Total BS imo, I never wore a helmet riding a bike for my entire life... and I don't need some parasite using it as an excuse to pro-actively impair my freedom of choice... I know more people who survived car accident who specifically told me for example if they were wearing their seat belts they would be dead... but survived because the mobility to move out of harms way... forcing people to do things against their will because of one size fits all (unproven) rationalizations (I don't doubt for a second they fake their "statistics") is distorting everyone's karma, but that is part of their game isn't it... the safety thing is a BS "cover story" another rationalization... all statute law is about COMMERCE...


Well every mans entitled to his opinion. :yo:

However, I support seat belts and bike helmets laws. I do understand that there are red necks out in society that are far too stupid to understand common sense.
Therefore, the government (who represents the wish of society) have to make laws to ensure the safety of humans.

For example, I am very happy they have laws that children have to be placed in a proper car seat while driving in a car.

http://cms.ukintpress.com/UserFiles/Air-protect-seat-300.jpg

[Nanoo Nanoo]

mods can you change the title of the thread ? just to keep it real

Australian Police cause Death of 14 year old boy.

i think thats more appropriate and more accurate.

point taken

N

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Perhaps on a good note, this is why it is important for folks on bicycles to always wear helmets for protection, and obey traffic laws.

Had the boy been wearing proper safety equipment and not tried to evade the police this story would have ended differently.

http://cdn3.healthcommunities.com/hcmedia/2011/07/girl-bike-helmet-mf.gif

Total BS imo, I never wore a helmet riding a bike for my entire life... and I don't need some parasite using it as an excuse to pro-actively impair my freedom of choice... I know more people who survived car accident who specifically told me for example if they were wearing their seat belts they would be dead... but survived because the mobility to move out of harms way... forcing people to do things against their will because of one size fits all (unproven) rationalizations (I don't doubt for a second they fake their "statistics") is distorting everyone's karma, but that is part of their game isn't it... the safety thing is a BS "cover story" another rationalization... all statute law is about COMMERCE...


Well every mans entitled to his opinion. :yo:

However, I support seat belts and bike helmets laws. I do understand that there are red necks out in society that are far too stupid to understand common sense.
Therefore, the government (who represents the wish of society) have to make laws to ensure the safety of humans.

For example, I am very happy they have laws that children have to be placed in a proper car seat while driving in a car.

http://cms.ukintpress.com/UserFiles/Air-protect-seat-300.jpg

So which one do you work for Vitaluax ?

just curious ...

N

[Vitalux]

So which one do you work for Vitaluax ?

just curious ...

N


So what it boils down to is that if someone does not agree with you, then they must be the enemy.

Interesting.

Either way, I wish you love.

[panopticon]

This should be referred to a psychiatrist .. the Australian Police force needs help .. they need help and get rid of bad cops who are not doing their job.

This poor child was chased , and made fearful for retribution.. had they not interviened he would still be alive today. thats the bottom line. Their actions caused the boy to run off into on coming traffic and die.

I hope they are reading this , this is not the end of this by a long shot. I had police chase me when i was a kid ... playing with motorbikes and rockets and fireworks and making noise .. its what kids do ! its how they learn. Even back then they wanted to exert control but i had a father that told them, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS , do not approach or speak to my son.

The father of this poor boy had no control over his son .. thats his fault but there are ways other than introducing government intervention. Your kids are your responsability. Not that of the government.

Had the police not been there this poor boy would still be alive today !


I also feel sorry for the drivers of those vehicles.
Having been involved in a motor vehicle accident involving a child (~10 years old) I know that this will haunt them.

In my case I was driving through a school zone (doing about 20 Km/hr because there were kids running across the road everywhere) and as I drove past a car the mother of this child opened her cars back door and the boy literally dove into my utes roo bar.

I couldn't believe what she had done.

Then she started screaming at me, not attending to her prone child, screaming at me.

I realised she was in shock and went straight to the child.

The Father then appeared, a mountain of a man, and wanted to belt me.

I told them both I was a bit busy with their child and would get back to them in a moment.

This bought the Father out of his "state" and he helped me with his child.

The Mother continued to yell obscenities until the police arrived (just before the ambulance) and the husband related the child's horrific medical history to me so I could assist him.

The police then took my statement and that of onlookers.
No charges were pressed.

The police were very understanding, the ambulance officers were grateful and the Father thanked me for helping him.

It was the responsibility of the parents to provide a safe environment for their child, the duty of care having passed from the school and teachers when the child had entered into their care, and it was this that contributed to their reaction and shock.

By keeping a cool head and assessing the situation on multiple levels I was able to render assistance to the child and defuse a difficult situation.

The police and bystanders were supportive to all concerned. The police did a good job and while I have had my fair share of run-ins with them over my life in no way do I fear them. The vast majority are just people doing a job and while there are those who are just above "knuckle draggers" this is not typical (though there is a culture that supports an "us vs them" within the force for obvious reasons).
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

I just read back through this and realised I didn't finish it off!
The child did not end up having any serious problems, though due to his medical condition if he had not been calmed right away he would probably have died.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

So which one do you work for Vitaluax ?

just curious ...

N


So what it boils down to is that if someone does not agree with you, then they must be the enemy.

Interesting.

Either way, I wish you love.


thank you for the love i appreciate it : 0 )

can we get back to somehow making a difference to Police mentality to avoid this sort of thing in the future ?

N

[Anchor]

Anchor i know you drive on the freeways .. why is it when you are driving 100 kph on a free way and not breaking the speed limit that when you spot a Mobile Police Money Making Speed Trap that people put the brakes on un neesesarily and slow the traffic down to 70 or less ?

I don't slow down if I am obeying the speed limit - and I had my speedometer accurately calibrated when I had new all terrain wheels fitted so I know for sure if I am or am not.

If I slow down, it is because I am breaking the speed limit and don't want the paperwork :)

In NSW I find the traffic police mostly reasonable. It is the RTA mob (government non-police enforcers) that are the most anger inducing.

[panopticon]

Anchor i know you drive on the freeways .. why is it when you are driving 100 kph on a free way and not breaking the speed limit that when you spot a Mobile Police Money Making Speed Trap that people put the brakes on un neesesarily and slow the traffic down to 70 or less ?

I don't slow down if I am obeying the speed limit - and I had my speedometer accurately calibrated when I had new all terrain wheels fitted so I know for sure if I am or am not.

If I slow down, it is because I am breaking the speed limit and don't want the paperwork :)

In NSW I find the traffic police mostly reasonable. It is the RTA mob (government non-police enforcers) that are the most anger inducing.

My partner knew a copper who used to complain about all the cars slowing down (below the speed limit) when they saw his vehicle behind them. Used to piss him off big time.
-- Pan

[ThePythonicCow]

mods can you change the title of the thread ? just to keep it real

Australian Police cause Death of 14 year old boy.

i think thats more appropriate and more accurate.

point taken

N
Good idea - done.

I have changed the title of this thread from:


Australian Police Murder 14 year old cyclist.
to:


Australian Police cause Death of 14 year old boy.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Anchor i know you drive on the freeways .. why is it when you are driving 100 kph on a free way and not breaking the speed limit that when you spot a Mobile Police Money Making Speed Trap that people put the brakes on un neesesarily and slow the traffic down to 70 or less ?

I don't slow down if I am obeying the speed limit - and I had my speedometer accurately calibrated when I had new all terrain wheels fitted so I know for sure if I am or am not.

If I slow down, it is because I am breaking the speed limit and don't want the paperwork :)

In NSW I find the traffic police mostly reasonable. It is the RTA mob (government non-police enforcers) that are the most anger inducing.

Not what im talking about , my question was do you notice people slow down to way below the limit when you are driving when they see a police car or speed trap ?

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

This should be referred to a psychiatrist .. the Australian Police force needs help .. they need help and get rid of bad cops who are not doing their job.

This poor child was chased , and made fearful for retribution.. had they not interviened he would still be alive today. thats the bottom line. Their actions caused the boy to run off into on coming traffic and die.

I hope they are reading this , this is not the end of this by a long shot. I had police chase me when i was a kid ... playing with motorbikes and rockets and fireworks and making noise .. its what kids do ! its how they learn. Even back then they wanted to exert control but i had a father that told them, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS , do not approach or speak to my son.

The father of this poor boy had no control over his son .. thats his fault but there are ways other than introducing government intervention. Your kids are your responsability. Not that of the government.

Had the police not been there this poor boy would still be alive today !


I also feel sorry for the drivers of those vehicles.
Having been involved in a motor vehicle accident involving a child (~10 years old) I know that this will haunt them.

In my case I was driving through a school zone (doing about 20 Km/hr because there were kids running across the road everywhere) and as I drove past a car the mother of this child opened her cars back door and the boy literally dove into my utes roo bar.

I couldn't believe what she had done.

Then she started screaming at me, not attending to her prone child, screaming at me.

I realised she was in shock and went straight to the child.

The Father then appeared, a mountain of a man, and wanted to belt me.

I told them both I was a bit busy with their child and would get back to them in a moment.

This bought the Father out of his "state" and he helped me with his child.

The Mother continued to yell obscenities until the police arrived (just before the ambulance) and the husband related the child's horrific medical history to me so I could assist him.

The police then took my statement and that of onlookers.
No charges were pressed.

The police were very understanding, the ambulance officers were grateful and the Father thanked me for helping him.

It was the responsibility of the parents to provide a safe environment for their child, the duty of care having passed from the school and teachers when the child had entered into their care, and it was this that contributed to their reaction and shock.

By keeping a cool head and assessing the situation on multiple levels I was able to render assistance to the child and defuse a difficult situation.

The police and bystanders were supportive to all concerned. The police did a good job and while I have had my fair share of run-ins with them over my life in no way do I fear them. The vast majority are just people doing a job and while there are those who are just above "knuckle draggers" this is not typical (though there is a culture that supports an "us vs them" within the force for obvious reasons).
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

I just read back through this and realised I didn't finish it off!
The child did not end up having any serious problems, though due to his medical condition if he had not been calmed right away he would probably have died.

Thre are countless examples of Police doing their job well and with justice. Thats not disputed, what is a problem is the " trend " of eroding civil liberties and prejudice which i think is obviously dangerous to innocent people.

This is the message i am trying to convey on behalf of this poor soul. The lesson in this is being deliberately twisted by the MSM and before the sheeple follow suit they need some sort of flip side of the coin to consider. You say something like this and they say ... " aaah yeah ... didnt think of that " ... This is how they sway public opinion ,, for some reason this example just got my back up.. maybe because i ride a bike , maybe because i see the hypocricy in their twisting the events..

out of 12 reports i have read the statements are almost identicle with no consideration to how police could have handled the situation better.. seeing they caused the situation in the first place .. perhaps thats a good place to start ? perhaps this is what needs attention .. not tougher laws ... since when did tougher laws deter law breakers ? lol its a dichotomy

N

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Anchor i know you drive on the freeways .. why is it when you are driving 100 kph on a free way and not breaking the speed limit that when you spot a Mobile Police Money Making Speed Trap that people put the brakes on un neesesarily and slow the traffic down to 70 or less ?

I don't slow down if I am obeying the speed limit - and I had my speedometer accurately calibrated when I had new all terrain wheels fitted so I know for sure if I am or am not.

If I slow down, it is because I am breaking the speed limit and don't want the paperwork :)

In NSW I find the traffic police mostly reasonable. It is the RTA mob (government non-police enforcers) that are the most anger inducing.

My partner knew a copper who used to complain about all the cars slowing down (below the speed limit) when they saw his vehicle behind them. Used to piss him off big time.
-- Pan

My point exactly ! i see it on the freeways all the time .. when i travel i set my cruise control. and sit on that ... when i see police with radars i do not even check my speedo...i just keep rolling... possibly the most dangerous thing you can do driving a motor vehicle at high speed is take your eyes off the road to look at your dash board ... this is the whole stupidity of these laws and over zelous policing of the roads here .. they cause accidents , they cause people to fear and react in ways they are either not used to or are ready for. Why would you want to spook someone driving a car at high speed on the free way ? where there is virtually no way to collide with another vehicle .. no entry or exit cross roads , no sets of lights .. the only thing that can cause an accident is people abruptly slowing down for no reason ...

then there is the person who sits 3 meters behind the truck or bus in the over taking lane because they are afraid to go 5 kph over the limit to safely pass the vehicle and put a safe distance between them. What they do typically is sit in the blind spot of the truck or bus ... most dangerous thing you can do on a free way .. if that truck or bus stops suddenly to avoid a collision they will take out that car in the blind spot.

Every which way you look at it it points to Police backing off and letting us micro manage our lives without being under the guise of safety which is clearly revenue raising. Everybody in this country knows it.



N

[Anchor]

Not what im talking about , my question was do you notice people slow down to way below the limit when you are driving when they see a police car or speed trap ?

N

Fair enough and I do get your point. There is a conditioned response. The real danger is when people who are not paying attention suddenly notice a camera and slam on the brakes - its amazing how much rubber you see on the road before the cameras on the Great Western Highway.

With patrol cars, it's the same in many places of the world - highway patrol cars driving along at just under the speed limit and they have a little bubble of law abiding driving around them.

They all know this, many, if they are not in a hurry go a little below the speed limit to give folks a legitimate chance to pass them and then do whatever they need to do once the patrol car is out of sight.

It is NOT the police who set the speed limits - though they may advise the body that does so. At least now there is a way of challenging them in NSW and getting a stupidly low speed limit reviewed and adjusted - I have done this myself.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

this illustrates he point i am trying to make


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLrkIPqTZo

Full length version


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJLlH6GgmfU

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Terrible thing to have happened.

I feel for his family.

The second article (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/16/1076779848996.html) linked to in Nanoo's OP is from 2004 and resulted in the Redfern Riots (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Redfern_riots). Later that year there was also the Palm Island Riots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Palm_Island_death_in_custody) when Mulrunji died in police custody.
-- Pan

Hi Pan

thank you for this article. I have researched the indigenous tribes of australia ( part of my function ) and internationally. One of the most interesting things i have found is their resolve against control mechanisms. You see indeed when they are unfairly treated they errupt and they take a stand. This has lead to governments all over the world giving them concession when dealing with them.

In Australia if you are being arrested they must ask you if you are Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander and if you are they have to be extra careful of your rights. This was the result of Mabo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Mabo

Mabo fought for land and equality against Brittish rule. This is exactly why they have their freedoms today. Because they fought for their freedom and won. Indigenous cultures have a resolve in them that is richeous and we white people ( im not really white ) need to adapt this nature if we wish to survive tyrrany.

N

[panopticon]

Terrible thing to have happened.

I feel for his family.

The second article (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/16/1076779848996.html) linked to in Nanoo's OP is from 2004 and resulted in the Redfern Riots (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Redfern_riots). Later that year there was also the Palm Island Riots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Palm_Island_death_in_custody) when Mulrunji died in police custody.
-- Pan

Hi Pan

thank you for this article. I have researched the indigenous tribes of australia ( part of my function ) and internationally. One of the most interesting things i have found is their resolve against control mechanisms. You see indeed when they are unfairly treated they errupt and they take a stand. This has lead to governments all over the world giving them concession when dealing with them.

In Australia if you are being arrested they must ask you if you are Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander and if you are they have to be extra careful of your rights. This was the result of Mabo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Mabo

Mabo fought for land and equality against Brittish rule. This is exactly why they have their freedoms today. Because they fought for their freedom and won. Indigenous cultures have a resolve in them that is richeous and we white people ( im not really white ) need to adapt this nature if we wish to survive tyrrany.

N

G'day Nanoo,

I agree with what you've said.

Glad there is someone else here who has an interest in indigenous Australian culture and land rights claims.

If you want to be scared about something that is occurring in Australia think about the wider ramifications of the anti-association laws that are being introduced as a way of "controlling the bikie problem". Think about the recent announcement that all bikies convicted of an offence will be placed in what the media is already touting as a 'Bikies super jail" (source (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/newman-flags-super-jail-for-bikie-crims/story-e6frfku9-1226739987105)). What about the removal of associate rights to run tattoo parlours? That is guilt by association and something that should be scared of.

Don't forget the watering down of civil rights that have occurred. The right to remain silent has been severely restricted in NSW and now the police are crying foul because lawyers have found a way to allow their clients this right. By lawyers either not attending the station or talking to their client by phone the police can't imply guilt in court if a person in custody does not respond to questioning (source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-15/lawyers-circumventing-right-to-silence-laws3a-police/5022578)).

While it is all fine and good for the politicians to scream about how scared we all should be of "outlaw motorcycle gangs" the broader picture is that these new laws will be usable against any group who are not part of the mainstream. This we should fear because if history has taught us anything it is that when a law is introduced it will be abused.
-- Pan

[Anchor]

I think the right of silence can be exercised anyway no matter what laws are passed. One has the right to speak or not speak as one sees fit.

The problem is that there is a game, and the rules of that game in which we play are being crafted in order to provide scope for new moves on the game board.

I think what the lawyers are doing is great. When the police complain, the lawyers say you need to follow the law - and if you don't like the law, get the government to change it!

A bit like what Putin did. He said he cannot return Snowden to the US because the US wont negotiate an extradition treaty with the Russia, and so he cannot send him back. He maintains that he is defending the law and not Snowden - LOL.

[conk]

To Swerve and Defect.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Here is something to listen to while you read



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5ddAAYasgM


UN

Both Rights and Obligations

Human rights entail both rights and obligations. States assume obligations and duties under international law to respect, to protect and to fulfil human rights. The obligation to respect means that States must refrain from interfering with or curtailing the enjoyment of human rights. The obligation to protect requires States to protect individuals and groups against human rights abuses. The obligation to fulfil means that States must take positive action to facilitate the enjoyment of basic human rights. At the individual level, while we are entitled our human rights, we should also respect the human rights of others.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Pages/WhatareHumanRights.aspx


We are recognised as having rights. What is often the problem is we do not EXERSISE these rights by STatING them at the appropriate time. You Must Learn the language to use in order to exhert your rights. When you know the language police officers take notice and often stop in their tracks when they see you have studied your rights. You can debilitate them with words if you knwo what to say.

Eg

one of my favorite videos


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCZB-k4jKBc


Wear a Fezz and see what happens.

and again here , look at the stupidity and over bearing over zelous power trip this officer is on.. he arrests a fire fighter trying to help a suffering patient.

this is complete insanity


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2btoI8P5giI

and this one , look at these bully chicken hawks praying on some poor sap minding his own business.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9SRS8X2Kww

see how quickly he drops the bag once the words of " I do not concent to searches " are stated .. under UN law this is an inaleanable right.

Get to know your rights , push back , use peace and words , act calmly and never let them entice you to aggrivation. If you are innocent you must state to the officer before he puts his hands on you this , " I am putting you on notice not to touch me or i will be forced to defend my self " You may either cop an ass whooping or they will back off ... either way you have stated your rights.


Ok now the following video is something to study.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XE-l4P_6zE

What i would like to point out is this.

The video is part of a documentary , we start with the behaviour of the police officer on the left at 8 seconds into the video when they are pursuing a motorbike making its way through town, he says with zeal " Oh that would be a good one " and his countgerpart smiles in agreeance. Oh that would be a good one ... A good one what ? a good person to intimidate ? A good catch ? a possible fine to raise revenue ? A good one what ?

take a moment to let that sink in. its a game to them , and they have so much power and resource on their side .. its a power trip ..

shameful



Now what happens next and for what reasons is a comedy of errors resulting in a police officer being badly wounded because of his partners over zelous behaviour.

The man on the bike pulls over , wanting to be compliant but when the police over step themark in being over zelous his natural reaction , protecting his human rights , are to lash out , this causes one of the officers to be badly wounded.

You are not required to be bullied by anybody ! thats your human right !

Now besides the farcity of man made laws , what possible purpose was there in stopping this man on his motorbike who was possibly moving some pot for sale to make a living. Its only pot , it grows out of the ground and it only illegal becuas of man made laws.. and because its hard or impossible to tax , un like cigarettes and alcohol or prescription drugs .. thats totally fine to use is it not ? while they cash in on the most harmful drugs on the market they passivly tax ones they cannot control.

so what is the motivation of police here ? if we were to deconstruct their primary function it is this

They are tax avoidance enforcers. thats it ! thats all they do is enforce tax avoidance. The bike they pulled over before this was for not paying his mot tax.

Its all about enforcement of tax avoidance or forcibly causing you to pay tax through austerity by threatening your licence.

thats what the police are being groomed to do.

and it is evident in this video

what i find alarming is this ,the guy on the bike is very apologetic and does not want a scene. in fact im surprised he stopped .. why would you ? if it were me i would have taken off and never heard from them again.

Did you notice how they wanted to request a helicopter to chase someone on a bike ? do you know how much a helicopter costs to run ? do you know how many people are homeless and starving in the UK ? talk about a complete mis use of resources !

and for what ?

The Police are on a power trip , the big guy is on a total power trip and his power trip almost cost his partner his life.

then the piolice say " people are becoming more violent towards police " why you would give a gun to someone with such a low iq i have no idea ... WAKE UP POLICE OFFICERS OF THE WORLD !!! DO NOT FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE !!! YOU WILL BE BURNED !!!

the problem is they either do not want to recognise the real problem or are too caught up in their own importance to care. I know police are going to read this , i hope they do because it is for their safety as well. its a two way street.

and if you do read this know this , YOU ARE BEING USED TO ENFORCE TAX LAWS , not protect people.

Had the officers not been on some power trip one of them would not have been almost fatally wounded.

POLICE of the world hear me now , please think about human rigths and sensible behaviour before enetering into a possible unnessesary and dangerous situation.

If the bike knocked over some old lady crossing the street , then yes ! get the bastard ! but he wasnt doing anything wrong .. not in the greater scheme of things.

Pretty much 80% of people on the planet , if you were to pull them up and question them somewhere along the time line of a day they would have loosely engaged either knowingly or unwhittingly ,in an illegal activity.

this is an opportunity to apply a tax to you through a fine.

its about enforcing taxes ... that what its become.


And just for a laugh , check this guy .. this is extreme and i would not recommend going this far.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZsUs1yb-s


and finally something that has brought tears to my eyes every time i see it.

what a beautiful gesture and way to win the respect and admiration of the people.. lead by example police of the world and remember a hug is so much more powerful.


bless you for the good ones out there who protect rights over self edification.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Ih1Nzuocs

Love and Hugs


N

[sigma6]

this illustrates he point i am trying to make


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLrkIPqTZo

Full length version


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJLlH6GgmfU


As you can see "safety" has absolutely nothing to do with it, other then it is the cover story that allows them to create a new stream of income...