Chinese editorial calls for a de-Americanized world

[ThePythonicCow]

An editorial on the major Chinese news website Xinhuanet spells out the problems with an Americanized world, and calls for respect for international law to replace American hegemony, a new world monetary system to replace the American dominated system, and a new international reserve currency that is to be created to replace the dominant U.S. dollar.

The editorial is here: Commentary: U.S. fiscal failure warrants a de-Americanized world (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2013-10/13/c_132794246.htm).

Jerry Robinson of Follow The Money (FTM) has posted a detailed commentary here: China: It’s Time for a New World Order (http://ftmdaily.com/daily-briefing/china-calls-for-new-world-order/).

Here are the key points of the Chinese editorial, as described in the FTM commentary:




The Chinese editorial makes four claims:

Claim #1 – Since World War II, the U.S. has been bent on building a global empire
Claim #2 – The U.S. has been hypocritical by “torturing prisoners of war” while publicly accusing other countries of “torture”
Claim #3 – The U.S. kills innocent civilians in drone attacks
Claim #4 – The U.S. is “spying on world leaders”

The Chinese editorial then proposes as a solution "A New World Order, New World Currency":

“A new world order should be put in place, according to which all nations, big or small, poor or rich, can have their key interests respected and protected on an equal footing.”
“All nations need to hew to the basic principles of the international law, including respect for sovereignty, and keeping hands off domestic affairs of others.”
“No one has the right to wage any form of military action against others without a UN mandate.”
“The developing and emerging market economies need to have more say in major international financial institutions including the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.”

The Chinese are taking the moral high ground here, which is not difficult to do, given how the U.S. has acted for the last half century.

They are also fully supporting a New World Order, same as the Old World Order, only more encompassing, dominated by World Bureaucracies controlled behind the scenes by World Banksters.

Both the Chinese editorial U.S. fiscal failure warrants a de-Americanized world (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2013-10/13/c_132794246.htm) and FTM's commentary China: It’s Time for a New World Order (http://ftmdaily.com/daily-briefing/china-calls-for-new-world-order/) are quite readable. I encourage you to take a further look. I expect that this is most likely the "way of the future", whether I like it or not.

On its About Us page (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/special/2011-11/28/c_131274495.htm), Xinhuanet describes itself as:
an important central news service-oriented website, an important information organ of the central government, and an important platform for building up China's online international communication capacity.
So it is quite unlikely that Xinhuanet would call for such solutions if they were in conflict with the policies of the Chinese government.

[Limor Wolf]

I think your distinctions are right, Paul. The chinese are simply rolling the ball further, Any list of claims agains the US can be complemented with a list of claims against China. This scenario of the chinese taking over is a familiar one, Eventually -' All stays in the family' as is said.
It is more and more evident that something else is needed to get us out of this stupid games of finances, power, authority and control. Far far away from this two empires of darkness - east and west. Who's frontal rivalary is simply representing the same master and it's battle is about which dragon has a longer tail..

However that may or may not happen, one thing is for certain, it will have to involve another state of mind of society. Taking one step back and releasing ourselves from the games of these beasts, let them play along with one another, but do it far from our back yard. A third way needs to be found and it has to be creative.

[ThePythonicCow]

The Russian news website RT.com has echo'd the above Chinese article: Losing faith: Global financiers look to de-Americanize (http://rt.com/business/losing-faith-de-americanize-161/).

This RT article begins:




A US debt default could hit on Thursday, and world leaders are second guessing the dominant role America plays in finance. Regardless of the final decision in Washington, confidence and credibility in the US has already eroded.

In an editorial (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2013-10/13/c_132794246.htm) published by the Chinese state-owned press agency Xinhua, a columnist says the US economy has ‘failed’ and put many countries who hold state assets in dollars at risk.

“To that end, several corner stones should be laid to underpin a de-Americanized world,” the editorial read.

Last week China, the biggest US creditor, started to make preparations for a technical default on loans. The European Central Bank and the People’s Bank of China (PBC) have agreed to start supplying each other with their currencies, avoiding the dollar as an intermediary currency. The currency swap agreement will last for three years and provide a maximum of 350 billion yuan ($56 billion) to the ECB and 45 billion euro ($60.8 billion) to the PBC.

In a further sign of growing distrust (http://rt.com/business/china-usa-bonds-default-980/), China introduced a so-called “haircut”, or a discount, on the value of US Treasuries held as collateral against futures trades.

Developing and developed nations are equally concerned, and institutions like the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) have issued several warnings.

It seems that the buzz word for the week is: de-Americanize.

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My new prediction: This US government budget and debt ceiling crisis will drag on past the so called deadline of Oct 17 (two days from now), for another week or three, enough to cause a nasty spike in US Treasury interest rates. This will push the current US Dollar denominated world monetary system one step closer to the edge of the cliff, setting off another chain of calamitous financial headlines for several months.

My best guess is that this will not be the final collapse that pushes the Dollar denominated monetary system into the dustbin of history; but rather this will be what tightens the screws on Americans who thought they were getting by OK despite difficulties. The next couple of years will be quite a bit more difficult for Americans, preparing us to accept a final US Dollar collapse from its role as the world's reserve currency sometime in 2015.

Americans haven't suffered enough pain yet, so aren't ready to accept the "solution."

[Roisin]

Do want to know why I'm afraid of the Chinese? IT'S THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jA78Kf1vbM

That Olympic opening ceremony and their jaw dropping if not terrifying precision that should remind us that the Chinese are not from the planet Earth.... they're from some other galaxy, far, far away and the fact that they even managed to get here in the first place is yet ANOTHER reminder to us that we should be afraid, very afraid.

I think Trump, is right. We should stop outsourcing to China and stop importing their cheap junk and throw-away technology. All one has to do is view some of their military video's on You Tube to KNOW, that they are planning to take over the world if not the entire solar system too and anyone with a brain should be able to see that there are enough of them to do that just by stamping us out with their Gestapo boots during their routine marching drills. Lord help us!

[ThePythonicCow]

Do want to know why I'm afraid of the Chinese?
None of the great powers of this earth are all that nice, Roisin.

As Limor laments, we must find a third way.

[ThePythonicCow]

ZeroHedge weighs in on this Chinese editorial calling for a de-Americanized world: China's Official Press Agency Calls For New Reserve Currency, And New World Order (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-13/chinas-official-press-agency-calls-new-reserve-currency):




We assume it is a coincidence that on the day in which we demonstrate China's relentless appetite (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-13/chart-day-china-imports-over-2000-tons-gold-last-two-years) for gold, driven by what we and many others believe is the country's desire to have a call option on a gold-backed reserve currency when the time comes, just posted in China's official press agency, Xinhua, is an op-ed by writer Liu Chang in which he decries the "US fiscal failure which warrants a de-Americanized world" and flatly states that the world should consider a new reserve currency "that is to be created to replace the dominant U.S. dollar, so that the international community could permanently stay away from the spillover of the intensifying domestic political turmoil in the United States."

Of course, if China were serious, and if the world were to voluntarily engage in such a (r)evolutionary reserve currency transition, then all Magic Money Tree theories that the only thing better than near infinite debt is beyond infinite debt, would promptly be relegated to the historic dust heap of idiotic theories where they belong.

Some of China's (which as a reminder is the single largest offshore holder of US Treasury paper, and the second largest of all only second naturally to the Federal Reserve whose $85 billion in monthly monetizing "flow" is what is keeping rates from exploding higher) thoughts as captured in the Xinhua Op-ed:
Reform of the world’s financial system should include the introduction of a new internatonal reserve currency to replace the U.S. dollar
The international community could thus permanently stay away from the spillover of intensifying domestic political turmoil in the U.S.
Fiscal impasse in the U.S. is a good time for “befuddled world” to start considering building a “de-Americanized world”
Impasse has left many nations’ dollar assets in jeopardy and the international community agonized
Other cornerstones should be laid to underpin a de-Americanized world, including respect for sovereignty, recognizing authority of UN in handling global hotspot issues and giving developing and emerging market economies more say in major international financial institutions
Purpose of such changes is not to “completely toss the United States aside,” rather to encourage Washington to play a much more constructive role in addressing global affairs
Of course, if and when the day comes that the USD is no longer the reserve currency, kiss America's superpower, or any power, status, which is now based purely on the USD's reserve currency status, and the ability to fund half the US budget deficit with debt promptly monetized by the Fed, goodbye.

Finally, as a reminder...

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/10/Reserve%20Currency%20Status.png

[Roisin]

Do want to know why I'm afraid of the Chinese?
None of the great powers of this earth are all that nice, Roisin.

As Limor laments, we must find a third way.

I do have to admit though that I do have a thing about Chinese warriors... they're so .... fierce.

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Looks like China's the next one up on that Y axis. Oh well, at least we won't have to hassle with what to wear everyday though I can't see that those drab "Chairman Mao" coordinates will be a big hit within the pre-teen and teen Age- Demographics.

[KiwiElf]

Agreed, Paul - I'd want China running the show even less than what we have now (whatever that is!) ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

GeorgeAnn Hughes, hostess of TheByteShow.com (http://www.thebyteshow.com) and friend of Joseph P. Farrell, posted a Letter from Patrick (http://www.thebyteshow.com/Data.html) (whoever Patrick is), that connects some more dots of the US Government shutdown and budget and debt ceiling crisis, ending with a reference to the same Chinese editorial we're discussing on this thread:

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...A Letter From Patrick...

In a world that is all about return and nothing about risk, it is time to get beyond all the political theater surrounding the debt ceiling, Obamacare, and the government shut down. There's a whole lot more going behind the scenes--systems are breaking. The day after the shut down, 15 CEOs from the largest Wall Street banks went to the Whitehouse for a meeting and you can bet JPMorgan ran it. Why didn't they go to Congress? Because there were events that took place which might explain the reason for the shut down in the first place and the reason it has not been resolved yet.

The Treasury bond bubble broke. The interest-rate swap machinery broke. Foreigners are dumping treasuries.

As the reserve currency, the dollars the Fed is creating to bailout the banks is hurting the large bond holders as inflation is being exported to their countries, resulting in higher prices, especially food. The large foreign bond holders, Russia, China, Japan Brazil and India, holding dollar reserves in treasuries, are rebelling, "We don't want your dollars because your dollars are creating our inflation which is destroying our economies."

There is one issue that few are discussing, namely the mountain of short-term $441 billion in treasury bills that are due for maturity or rolled over between now and November 15th.

Critical-thinking investors that follow these things have been watching the growing U.S. debt bubble with alarm. Interest rates are at the lowest they have ever been; that includes the Great Depression. With all bubbles, even if you are inside it, you know what happens when it bursts. We have reached the bursting point, and the results will be calamitous.

The new Fed chairwoman-to-be, Janet Yellen, has been described as Ben Bernanke on steroids. Instead of the Fed tapering its bond buying, expect it to double. Estimates range from the current $85 billion a month to as much as $250 billion a month or more! In other words, instead of suffocating from rising rates, we will all be drowning from rising costs. . . because it is slower. To quote Jim Grant, "the value of money has become an instrument of public policy, not an honest weight or measure."

Like the mythical economic recovery, they talk about a big flight to safety--there was none--it was the interest-rate swaps--the glue that holds it all together, and because of the extreme leverage, what kills interest-rate derivatives is movement, up or down, in quick sudden spurts. This isn't your financial analyst next door, it is JPMorgan, and Morgan Stanley which put on $8.5 trillion of these in the second half of 2010 alone.

With the recent move from 1.65 to 2.95, a 130 basis point in under four months, they broke the interest-rate swaps. With interest-rate swaps, you do not redeem or take them off, you just accelerate the losses, and they're getting wrecked by the selling of treasury bonds; they're imploding, trashing the big bank's balance sheets even further.

Debt Ceiling: China Calls for World to Be 'De-Americanised' (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/513431/20131013/china-debt-ceiling-shutdown-xinhua-de-emericanised.htm)
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Below is a chart of the $TNX Ten Year Treasury yield for the last ten years. One can plainly see the jump from 1.65% to 2.94% in the last few months. Those holding the wrong end of trillions of dollars of interest rate swaps (side bets on which way interest rates will go) are feeling some extreme pain right now.

http://thepythoniccow.us/TNX_Monthly_2003_2013.png
There seems to be a financial/monetary/economic blizzard blowing into town. Some major Western financial institutions appear to be due for some serious blows. The next couple of years may become the "winter of our discontent" in the US and elsewhere tied to closely to the US economy.

Such pain, felt by the "man on the street", is what will be needed to "sell" the transition to the "New World Order", with Chinese/Russian/... characteristics, to (formerly) middle class Americans.

[ThePythonicCow]

Quite a few more sites have linked this Chinese editorial and commented on it, including the following:

International Business Times (UK) (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/513431/20131013/china-debt-ceiling-shutdown-xinhua-de-emericanised.htm):



China's official news agency has called for the creation of a "de-Americanised world", saying the destinies of people should not be left in the hands of a hypocritical nation with a dysfunctional government.

Heaping criticism and caustic ridicule on Washington, the Xinhua news agency called the US a civilian slayer, prisoner torturer and meddler in others' affairs, and said the 'Pax Americana' was a failure on all fronts.

The official news agency of China, which is seen as the pretender to the world's superpower crown, then rubbed in more salt, calling American economic pre-eminence just a seeming dominance.
Investment Watch Blog (http://investmentwatchblog.com/breaking-alert-world-prepares-for-u-s-debt-default-top-world-bankers-say-it-will-be-catastrophic-china-calls-for-world-to-be-de-americanised-moves-to-replace-the-u-s-with-the-euro-as/):



China: ‘De-Americanized world needed’ This is it!!

“As US politicians of both political parties (fail to find a) viable deal to bring normality to the body politic they brag about, it is perhaps a good time for the befuddled world to start considering building a de-Americanised world,” the commentary on state news agency Xinhua said.

In a lengthy polemic against American hegemony since World War two, it added: “Such alarming days when the destinies of others are in the hands of a hypocritical nation have to be terminated.
Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/americanised-world-needed-us-shutdown-china-media-053014967.html):



Beijing (AFP) - While US politicians grapple with how to reopen their shuttered government and avoid a potentially disastrous default on their debt, the world should consider 'de-Americanising', a commentary on China's official news agency said Sunday.

"As US politicians of both political parties (fail to find a) viable deal to bring normality to the body politic they brag about, it is perhaps a good time for the befuddled world to start considering building a de-Americanised world," the commentary on state news agency Xinhua said.

In a lengthy polemic against American hegemony since World War two, it added: "Such alarming days when the destinies of others are in the hands of a hypocritical nation have to be terminated.

"A new world order should be put in place, according to which all nations, big or small, poor or rich, can have their key interests respected and protected on an equal footing."

[Rosieposie]

Hope everyone has their seat-belts on hand, this could be bumpy :)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

:pout:I don't know how to use chopsticks:Cry:

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

The New World Order will be implemented...Now, what specific model it will follow remains to be seen. It might either follow a bad authoritarian model or not; There are a lot of variables and interests involved.

I know one thing, though. The US is currently under unprecedented international pressure. If your politicians don't come to an agreement to change both your financial and foreign policy, the dollar will be destroyed from outside. This is absolutely certain.

The BRICS are already prepared to launch a strong gold backed international currency. When they do that, the dollar is done.

Of course, no one is interested in ruining the US as a nation, making your citizens miserable...Not that they really care about people, but it would be bad for the global economy as a whole. They want to start this process as gently as possible. It will all depend on your politicians. A lot of your politicians are already in China's payroll, but the most influential of them are still controlled by the banking cartel.

Raf.

[Joe Akulis]

Alas. No mentions of a Fossil-fuelless World Order to accompany this U.S.-less World Order. Perhaps you can't even start to talk about suppressed energy technology until the US is no longer able to snuff you out for bringing up the subject. But any replacement world order that doesn't inaugurate itself by prying open the doors to free and limitless energy supply is testament indeed that nothing will be new at all. Different face on the reserve currency; same tried and true intentional econimic paradigm of scarcity, where the peasants will get no relief in their struggle to thrive.

[Roisin]

Just like China to kick a dead er nearly dead horse when it's down. Are we surprised?

[Limor Wolf]

A quotation from china official news agency: ""A new world order should be put in place, according to which all nations, big or small, poor or rich, can have their key interests respected and protected on an equal footing."

Yes, The nation's key interests will be respected, that's exactly it.
The people will not.

The main thing is, as opposed to other systems, most everything is laid upon and derives from the monetary system (Cleverly planned so), quite a few reasonable alternatives can be found in other areas of life and this historical movement is currently happening in housing, education, media, health, nutrition,a different type of leadership, all is in the remake due to the times we are in (no doubt that a lot of good is coming out of this, like a tough labor). But so far, no real tangible substitution to replace our dependencey on money and we probably are still not ready for it psychologically. Once again, a lot depends on us, us means the majority of people in the world, or at least the middle class, that status is the one who has the most chances and will have the most pressing reasons to make the move, to say goodbye to the system and distance itself from the controllers. It all goes back once again to consciousness.
Consciousness/ Awarness is not something tradable or that can change hands, but it is infectious, the power is in the numbers.

I am no expert, and only listening every once in a while to people like Max Keizer, Gerald celente, Karen Hudes and Adrian Salbuchi, but as far as I understand, there is still not one established alternative proposal to the trembling markets in a way that will not reconstruct what already exists. This trap is skilfully designed and carefully wrapped in psychological dependence like a sea anemone that swallows a fish and the only way the fish could escape is either consciously react in a different way then the usual struggle and capitulation or via a great storm at sea that will transmute the existing hirarchies. And for us what appears to be coming is basically all of this - being swallowed, a rapid development of consciousness, and a hugh prolonged storm.

And when the storm will subside and the silence return, a new earth will emerge, it's nature is unknown, but fate will be determined by the results of the process of this struggle, it's results will be engarved in the hearts of the survivors and by the level of recognition of what had happened and why. Again, it all comes back to recognition, to awarness and to the expension of consciousness.

[RMorgan]

A quotation from china official new agency: ""A new world order should be put in place, according to which all nations, big or small, poor or rich, can have their key interests respected and protected on an equal footing."

Yes, The nation's key interests will be respected, that's exactly it.
The people's will not.

The main thing is, as opposed to other systems, most everything is laid upon and derives from the monetary system (Cleverly planned so), quite a few reasonable alternatives can be found in other areas of life and this historical movement is currently happening in housing, education, media, health, nutrition, different type of leadership, all is in the remake due to the times we are in (no doubt that a lot of good is coming out of this, like a tough labor). But so far, no real tangible substitution to replace our dependencey on money and we probably are still not ready for it psychologically. Once again, a lot depends on us, us means the majority of people in the world, or at least the middle class, that status is the one who has the most chances and will have the most pressing reasons to make the move, to say goodbye to the system and distance itself from the controllers. It all goes back once again to consciousness.
Consciousness/ Awarness is not something tradable or that can change hands, but it is infectious, the power is in the numbers.


Hey Limor,

Well, so far, the whole world is in a pretty bad shape and, overall, people haven't done anything significant to change it...In fact, people have allowed it all to happen.

So, what makes you think that people will start moving now? There's too much at stake here...Hoping that someday, somehow, a sudden global grand awakening may happen is a dangerous gamble.

Probably, and I mean very probably, when the time comes, people (generally speaking) will welcome the new system with open arms.

The forces involved in this scenario are extremely intelligent and strategical. I can envision a couple of strategies they might follow, and I believe they haven't made their minds yet about which one will be applied, because there are still some final moves to be made before they can make a decision:

1- The US and its allies will raise the white flag and collaborate with them, so the transition will be relatively smooth. (Diplomacy)
2- The US and its allies will not collaborate, so they'll be forced to make everyone's lives so miserable, that people will beg for the new system to be implemented. (Force)

Anyway, the ultimate decision is already made. They will implement a new system. I don't know exactly how this system will be shaped, or exactly when it will be implemented, but they will. I believe it will happen relatively soon, since the US's global influence is weaker than ever.

Raf.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Probably, and I mean very probably, when the time comes, people (generally speaking) will welcome the new system with open arms.

They would welcome it right NOW imo, same rats, new cage, but at least it will look shiny, for a while..............

I think there's not just a plan A or B, there's also a C and a D, they have been working on it for many decades now, we still have no clue of depth of the problems we are in, they had all the time in the world to plan, scheme from any angle imaginable, the first ones to use supercomputers, the first to upgrade them, bought up patents by the thousands and thousands, all the advantages are theirs, all we will be able to do is watch the show as it unfolds, we can bet our sweet asses this time the system will hold for at least a couple of hundred years instead of the 70 we got in this particular ride, planning, research and development combined with high powered computing and psychological profiling and massive financial support backing it will ensure we be running around in our pretty shiny new cage without noticing its a new cage for a looooooooong time, but that's just my opinion.

Maybe what will unroll in the near future is just an imaginary intermediary solution to get the glitches out and only then the real sh!t gets unloaded onto us.

For some reason that NWO speech of papa Bush sticks to me as glue, they will be successful, the financial crap we are witnessing has become so obvious, its supposed to collapse by design, as are many other things, problem, reaction, and a lot of pre calculated and deeply researched solutions are heading our way, when was Nixon in China 40/50 years ago? They have been in bed with the Russians and the Chinese since or before the cold war, business means money and businessmen always look for the largest profit and they are everywhere and have been for thousands of years.

[Roisin]

Here's my reponse to Limor's comment:


It will be those very few who are informed on what's going on now and who are awake in the moment whose consciousness has the potential to act like a signal to ignite another consciousness within their sphere of influence where one-by-one we will reach that proverbial tipping point to trigger off the 100th monkey effect. So as a result of this, even those who are asleep in the moment now will still be awakened and absorbed into that information stream in the noosphere that's ultimately going to have a transformational effect via, like you say, A HUGE PROLONGED STORM.

Do you feel it? That breeze that keeps getting a little bit stronger each time it passes by? This is only the beginning. The Winds of War are already upon us but it's not too late because we can still harness that energy and transform it into a weapon for peaceful change instead.

[Yoda]

It all goes back once again to consciousness.
Consciousness/ Awarness is not something tradable or that can change hands, but it is infectious, the power is in the numbers.

And when the storm will subside and the silence return, a new earth will emerge, it's nature is unknown, but fate will be determined by the results of the process of this struggle, it's results will be engarved in the hearts of the survivors and by the level of recognition of what had happened and why. Again, it all comes back to recognition, to awarness and to the expension of consciousness.

In the 70"s Tom Bearden wrote a book called "Excalibur Briefing". It was concerning psychotronic warfare, but he coined an expression called "ZARG Awake". What the military industrial complex feared the most, was the human collective unconscious uniting into one. The "awakening" of the "GIANT". The "wannabees" keep kicking this "Giant", and when it awakens, it will remember the simple way that energy must flow, without all these controls, fear mongering. Yes, the "TPTW" are planning the perfect storm, but they really under-estimate the sleeping "GIANT"
Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[Vitalux]

I've always admired the Chinese people and think they are a beautiful race of spiritual human-beings.
I think we can learn a great deal from their culture.
Their race and culture are certainly among the oldest on this planet.

Everything changes always, and I look forward to new growth. :high5:

[RMorgan]

For some reason that NWO speech of papa Bush sticks to me as glue, they will be successful, the financial crap we are witnessing has become so obvious, its supposed to collapse by design, as are many other things, problem, reaction, and a lot of pre calculated and deeply researched solutions are heading our way, when was Nixon in China 40/50 years ago? They have been in bed with the Russians and the Chinese since or before the cold war, business means money and businessmen always look for the largest profit and they are everywhere and have been for thousands of years.

Hey brother,

I believe (and I have my reasons to believe that) associating the NWO with the US and some of its representatives, like the Bush family, is wrong. The NWO itself isn't and wasn't ever a fixed thing, and wasn't ever promoted and dominated by a single faction. There are groups within it with different intentions promoting different models.

The reason most people associate the NWO with the US, is because, naturally, since the US had become the most powerful country in the world, the NWO proponents shifted their operations to this country, but make no mistake; The people behind the NWO have several nationalities and interests. They'll stick to the most powerful, promising and resourceful countries, which right now are China and its allies.

Anyway, countries will be of no importance soon enough...This is the biggest reason the people behind the NWO decided to give up on the US. I believe that, at some point, the US decided not to abdicate of its nationalistic supremacy, which is obviously conflicting with the NWO intentions of building a decentralized global society.

There are good people behind the NWO, contrary to what most people think. Of course, mostly, their interests are economic, but there's no way to achieve a global long-term sustainable economic model without increasing global living quality standards. They know that.

Raf.

[Bill Ryan]

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Putin said very much the same kind of thing in his inspired and influential New York Times article on 11 Sept -- which just may have averted World War III:

http://nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html





A Plea for Caution From Russia

What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria
By VLADIMIR V. PUTIN

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/syria/index.html?inline=nyt-geo). But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.

From the outset, Russia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/russiaandtheformersovietunion/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.

I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.

If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.

[Agape]

The Chinese editorial then proposes as a solution "A New World Order, New World Currency":

“A new world order should be put in place, according to which all nations, big or small, poor or rich, can have their key interests respected and protected on an equal footing.”
“All nations need to hew to the basic principles of the international law, including respect for sovereignty, and keeping hands off domestic affairs of others.”
“No one has the right to wage any form of military action against others without a UN mandate.”
“The developing and emerging market economies need to have more say in major international financial institutions including the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.”

The Chinese are taking the moral high ground here, which is not difficult to do, given how the U.S. has acted for the last half century.

They are also fully supporting a New World Order, same as the Old World Order, only more encompassing, dominated by World Bureaucracies controlled behind the scenes by World Banksters.





They're the 'old worlders' , culturally, ethnically, genetically even , they are a remnant of race that pre-existed those current races and survived .

I liked one Indian lady, sociologist who commented on the continuing 'Chinese issue' saying ''Don't be fooled .. '' to those who asked why indeed did China adopt simplistic , spirit deprived communist manifesto from Soviet Union .

More than 4.500 years old culture that saw rise and fall of mighty dynasties, who gave birth to such philosophical icons as Confucius and Lao'tze ,
who was once treasury of culture and literacy , with language of more complicated structure than any other on this planet ,
how possibly .. could all their legacy fail to simple 'organised masses' ideology ,

and the answer is 'No, it never did . They are too smart for that . They are smart enough to pretend adopting progressive, pro-democratic regime , step ahead of everyone else just about when this world started to proclaim human rights, and democratic ideals but they're none of that sort . They don't need it . ''

They are facing the same self-centred , nationalistic pride they faced through all of their mighty history that has to do with spirit of revolt, spirit of freedom and effort to control the masses .
Whether it was the Emperor and his army and court or whether it's the Olympic stadium show , no matter the nation, these people are 'pride' of every regime,
showing their subjugation to the ideal of one-ness .
Each time they thought they've succeeded in this cruel endeavour, their own people revolted against them , through all those thousands years of history,
so much cruelty was practised , so much blood shed .

They gained their large numbers partially by annexing all surrounding territories and they're the last people so far being able to think globally, for whole world.

They are taught to think of themselves , not ready to give up their identity for the bigger whole , for the truth .

They criticise the US for intervening to other countries regimes because when they 'intervene' they take over and never give back.

They are the last here to rise 'human rights issues' and call to the UNO for justice,

atrocities committed on their territory , on their own people and surrounding ethnics are not unseen , unknown but they are mostly , treated without any form of justice.

They are 2,5 billion nation yes so you might say, more people more problems . But India , for example have 1,6 billion people , huge number of problems to be solved however , their philosophical and sociological stand and trend dramatically differs from approach adopted by China .

They have never allowed human rights group and free press to enter their fire zones, what is happening behind their carefully guarded walls of prisons, hospitals , offices and other places ..is leaking out to the world through mouth of dissidents who are threatened to life , together with their families, for speaking the truth .


So no, despite my deep admiration to old Chinese culture and love of people in general, their government are the first to be called to justice .



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[Limor Wolf]

Hey Limor,

Well, so far, the whole world is in a pretty bad shape and, overall, people haven't done anything significant to change it...In fact, people have allowed it all to happen.

So, what makes you think that people will start moving now? There's too much at stake here...Hoping that someday, somehow, a sudden global grand awakening may happen is a dangerous gamble.



Hi Raf, Roisin, Yoda,

To your queston, by observing and being familiar with the normal and usual learning processes where we human beings are adopting new perspectives, it is called - learning the hard way. Our human society represents the model of the the three monkes who cover their ears, their mouth and their eyes, we as collective need something major to shake us to our core before we are ready to stick our heads out of our behind and yes psychotronic warfare and even overcoming mind control is part of it, no doubt there are going to be casualties to this procedure, but major change will also bring new inovative thinking and ways of behaviour to this world not only from the negative side but also in the positive aspect of advancment, that is what pressure does, it is either to live or to cease to exist, just like the 'other side' will experience, who said we don't have a lot in common.. :) this situation brings out the best and the worst in every living being. That's our chance and it's a shame that it comes to that. But we all unfortunetly learn through sorrow, not yet through love, individually and collectively untill we adopt a more expended perspective (complaints to the creator of the game, take your number to the left and get ready to wait a long time)

The 'other side' is well organized, ready for every move and human dynamic and expect no surprises, they have the advantage of a wider perspective which does not originates from earth, a well advanced technology and a well crafted plan, that's also their impediment, they expect no surprises.. the problem with this discussion is that it is not suitable for a left brain 3D practical thread like this one and, although, it is true that humans on this planet are up against a great evil, we are far from being alone in this phylum and there are many participants that have a lot to lose if this evil empire will take place and this planet will be on the verge of destruction. Derived from that is that this 'story' has a couple of chapters and we need to play them all, and the implementation of the new world order is one of those for the sake of the people waking up, it is a neccassity as is battling it. Only then, when some good percentage of society will become aware to the true reality of their lives then change in consciousness may hit, for this the side that represent the darkness needs to be revealed to the light of the day, and how will it be done if not like that..?

When we talk Economy we see only the immediate one-two layers of the game, not the whole comprehensive aspect of it. Staying consistent with what we want and with trying to alert others to it and being there for them when the time comes is an important part of it, even to be frightened, it is all part of the game. Untill the others will join us.

Fear not, stay consistant, that's what I feel like writing for some reason.

[Wookie]

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[AuCo]

The NWO is coming and the big boys - BRICs - sure don't like it. China, especially has been compensated so much, pretends (and it is so blatantly obvious) to go along, and yet thinks she will pull out on top. For she knows what is in the basket for her, a China no more and only many tiny little nations. I personally believe firmly that is how it's gonna be, weather she likes it or not. She is buying time and time (as well as patience) is running out for her. The US in decline is by no mean by chance, or by the incompetence of her policy makers, even though many believe so. That's right! We choose what we want to believe. **sigh**

I don't know the NWO (I only heard that they are evil) but I do know China - past, presence, and I can certainly see the projection of her future and actions. Now for those who are so eager with China's proposal how the world is to be run, please get to know your wanna-be boss.

The thing is that I have the feeling we can shape the NWO but we cannot change China's way.

[KiwiElf]

At the risk of being flippant, perhaps the "Prime Directive" model in STAR TREK got it right ;)

[Limor Wolf]

Reading Putin's plea above and the impression is that he is like one of those last nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize. The same impression is obtained when reading Al Gore's Impassioned appeal to see what we can do to solve the climate change issue caused by human beings (all that he needs is to ask and it is easy to provide him with a couple of names of major oil companies owners around the world).

These folks, imo, are not such a good example for inspiration, they are part of the 'World stage theater' and they are reciting their lines like actors in a play. I understand, of course, why Bill posted it here, but the casting of 'bad character' 'good character' may be pre- determind in advance in this type of situations and the tug of war game is pretty much the same one that Eurasia and Oceania were playing in Orwell's '1984' novel.

Quotes by Putin:


"From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue... We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law".


"force has proved ineffective and pointless"


"No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect."


"We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement."


From the above stated it is easy to be greatful for Putin for preventing World War III, but it is also worth to keep in mind who is the man, these are only a couple of his own involvments -

After he first became a prime minister a new phase in the war against Chechnya was announced and in September 1999 an artillery attack on Grozny began, suffice to say that many civilians, including elderly and children were killed.

A special involvment of Putin was the plane Crash that killed the Polish president Lech Kaczynski in 2010 together with 95 other officials

so, in regards to Putin's above plea to the Americans.. Are these justified words? absolutely yes, is there any shred of sincerity in them?
On this we may not find an agreement.

[wisky]

They are facing the same self-centred , nationalistic pride they faced through all of their mighty history that has to do with spirit of revolt, spirit of freedom and effort to control the masses .
Whether it was the Emperor and his army and court or whether it's the Olympic stadium show , no matter the nation, these people are 'pride' of every regime,
showing their subjugation to the ideal of one-ness .
Each time they thought they've succeeded in this cruel endeavour, their own people revolted against them , through all those thousands years of history,
so much cruelty was practised , so much blood shed .

They gained their large numbers partially by annexing all surrounding territories and they're the last people so far being able to think globally, for whole world.

They are taught to think of themselves , not ready to give up their identity for the bigger whole , for the truth .

They criticise the US for intervening to other countries regimes because when they 'intervene' they take over and never give back.

They are the last here to rise 'human rights issues' and call to the UNO for justice,

atrocities committed on their territory , on their own people and surrounding ethnics are not unseen , unknown but they are mostly , treated without any form of justice.

They are 2,5 billion nation yes so you might say, more people more problems . But India , for example have 1,6 billion people , huge number of problems to be solved however , their philosophical and sociological stand and trend dramatically differs from approach adopted by China .

They have never allowed human rights group and free press to enter their fire zones, what is happening behind their carefully guarded walls of prisons, hospitals , offices and other places ..is leaking out to the world through mouth of dissidents who are threatened to life , together with their families, for speaking the truth .


So no, despite my deep admiration to old Chinese culture and love of people in general, their government are the first to be called to justice .


Thanks for pointing out the blind spot. A lot of western fellows do have a romantic fantasy that a post US world with Chinese domination will be a better off place. I do suggest them to look back in history when Genghis Khan expanded the territory to Middle East Europe, how much trauma has been caused to many millions of people! That domination and expansionist desire has never fade throughout the rise and fall of emperors.

When I saw "Chinese editorial calls for a de-Americanized world", the "Animal Farm" (Orwell) story naturally surfaces in my mind. Who can tell if the "pigs" and "human(farm owner)" are covertly allied for a more prosperous "New Farm Order" for them with series of planned dramas. For the slavery animals, Old World order and New World Order is just change of management team, they've got the same life to live with.