Killing Cancer with HIV

[christian]

I just came across that video where a girl that had cancer multiple times and apparently was about to die was finally cured with genetically modified HIV. The video was posted by General Electric.

This raises lots of red flags for me:


why are cancer rates exploding is not addressed
I don´t trust GE one bit
injecting genetically modified anything seems creepy
HIV has probably been engineered in the first place
and probably some more


But does anyone have some real nuts and bolts insights on this one?

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[DeDukshyn]

GE is one of those companies that is underestimated in its sheer advanced technological prowess. One of the heavyweights for sure. Due to that fact, I am certain the elite have targeted it for their technology, so who knows how infiltrated it is. At the same time, they are just the sponsor of this program.

Very interesting story. Using something horrible, for something good? It has been long known that viruses can easily be used in many ways for good, as well as for harm. In fact, some theories suggest that viruses are responsible in part for physical evolution. There is a book that goes in to the subject .. can't recall the name right now.

[Sidney]

It seems they want to put a new spin on the masses into believing that somethings are GMO are good. And is the patient going to die of some HIV on steroids years down the road? I smell a rat.
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[DeDukshyn]

It seems they want to put a new spin on the masses into believing that somethings are GMO are good. And is the patient going to die of some HIV on steroids years down the road? I smell a rat.
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In my open thoughts, GMO in itself isn't evil. GMO without responsibility or knowing the consequences, or using the consequences for gain is what is evil. In medicine, I am a little more forgiving.

GMO viruses have already been shown to be able to cure many genetic diseases as well.

I don't like to generalize, but to be educated enough to specifically know the pros and cons across the board.

However, most people are not nearly as thorough as me in that regard, and thus, you may be right, hence the need to hurry up and wake people up and teach them how to use tools of discernment.

[Sidney]

It seems they want to put a new spin on the masses into believing that somethings are GMO are good. And is the patient going to die of some HIV on steroids years down the road? I smell a rat.
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In my open thoughts, GMO in itself isn't evil. GMO without responsibility or knowing the consequences, or using the consequences for gain is what is evil. In medicine, I am a little more forgiving.

GMO viruses have already been shown to be able to cure many genetic diseases as well.

I don't like to generalize, but to be educated enough to specifically know the pros and cons across the board.

However, most people are not nearly as thorough as me in that regard, and thus, you may be right, hence the need to hurry up and wake people up and teach them how to use tools of discernment.

You are correct, in that ALL things GMO may not be evil, but our society is being manipulated into buying into the idea that it's normal to tweak anything and everything. Mainstream science IMO has lost is sense of responsibility with regards to discernment. Back in the day humans had what you call a natural immune system, that could tackle ALMOST anything. Now there is a pill or magic potion for every ailment when in reality its not always necessary. Cancer is a huge epicemic, and so is the planets toxicity. Genetically modifying the world seems to be the norm, and I find it hugely disturbing.

[DeDukshyn]

It seems they want to put a new spin on the masses into believing that somethings are GMO are good. And is the patient going to die of some HIV on steroids years down the road? I smell a rat.
2327423275

In my open thoughts, GMO in itself isn't evil. GMO without responsibility or knowing the consequences, or using the consequences for gain is what is evil. In medicine, I am a little more forgiving.

GMO viruses have already been shown to be able to cure many genetic diseases as well.

I don't like to generalize, but to be educated enough to specifically know the pros and cons across the board.

However, most people are not nearly as thorough as me in that regard, and thus, you may be right, hence the need to hurry up and wake people up and teach them how to use tools of discernment.

You are correct, in that ALL things GMO may not be evil, but our society is being manipulated into buying into the idea that it's normal to tweak anything and everything. Mainstream science IMO has lost is sense of responsibility with regards to discernment. Back in the day humans had what you call a natural immune system, that could tackle ALMOST anything. Now there is a pill or magic potion for every ailment when in reality its not always necessary. Cancer is a huge epicemic, and so is the planets toxicity. Genetically modifying the world seems to be the norm, and I find it hugely disturbing.

I somewhat agree, definitely. But the problem is in the masses being so easily controlled and duped. Fix the masses and you fix the issues. ;) Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. But one can be immune to that corruption ... in fact, we are slowly (perhaps not fast enough for most), starting to become to immune to the corruption. 75 years ago, few knew the depth of that corruption (trust me, it has been there for a long time), now the masses are starting to see it (hence place like Avalon)

At this point in time, neither the corruption has left, nor the masses awoken enough, to necessarily trust anything GMO - I agree with you there.

I feel in the future it may be possible / probable, after responsibility and connection with Mother Earth and Life itself reigns, that GMOs will be used to help clean the earth, and create living homes and crafts for travel even. However, the connectedness would have to be all encompassing and absolute.

Till then, when it comes to non-food GMOs, (avoid all food GMOs) seriously question everything and if in doubt, avoid or seek clarity ;)

[christian]

In my open thoughts, GMO in itself isn't evil. GMO without responsibility or knowing the consequences, or using the consequences for gain is what is evil. In medicine, I am a little more forgiving.

GMO viruses have already been shown to be able to cure many genetic diseases as well.

I think it´s entirely possible to produce certain short-term benefits with genetic manipulation, but the long-effects in studies seem to be negative throughout.

Rather crudely manipulating something we know very little about seems to create quite a butterfly effect. I guess manipulating/unlocking DNA the natural way is probably much safer and more expedient.

Embracing genetic manipulation -- which has proven to be very dangerous on many levels -- seems very irrational to me especially when tons over tons of real causes of diseases, natural remedies, and what we can do consciousness-wise to heal and protect ourselves is all still not getting the attention it should.

Now these thoughts are of course not too scientific. :)

The case with this girl still makes me wonder...

[Octavusprime]

Many great medicines have been created using "GMO" means. This is not some haphazard technology where we blindly "mutate" genes and see what happens. The science is very comprehensive in it's creation. The long term analysis of these drugs may or may not be as rigorous.

When talking about humans and their own immune responses being able to cope with disease in the past, we have to think about how many people would just die when a disease was caught. Many died from the black plague, influenza etc. Now people are saved by our advances in medicine. It is a double edged sword because fewer are dying and natural selection is essentially non existent.

With the advent of GMO insulin we are now breeding diabetes back into society. At one point diabetics would die in their twenties. Diabetes runs in my family so I'm not saying it is a bad thing but with everything in life you take the bad with the good.

So if we no longer have a strong natural selection process that re-enforces the genetic strength of our immune systems than it is up to our intellect in science to come up with solutions.

Can HIV be used to cure cancer? I don't know but sometimes you have to look in the most obscure places to find the answers....

[Fairy Friend]

Hello. I am new here. But I am a scientist who did these things that you are talking about. We tried to insert corrected genes into a viral factor into a patient to cure cancer. It did not work the virus integrated everywhere. If my theory is correct cancer is systemic breakdown of the DNA across the board, a lot of DNA damage beyond the cell's ability to repair the damage. AIDS is a fast mutating virus. I would never use that as a viral vector.Aids causes cancer, a specific cancer called Karposi sarcoma.I've seen a patient with four mutated copies of the AIDS virus in their body alone. This is why it is hard to come up with a vaccine. It mutates to rapidly. I saw millions spent on gene therapy techniques. All dismal failures. God bless us desparate souls. Thank you for questioning.

[Octavusprime]

Using a virus as a direct vector without putting a kill switch or denaturing mechanism in place is definitely dangerous. Without this the virus is free to splice it's DNA anywhere in the body. The key is targeted attacks. I'm curious to know more details of your work. When was this research done?

The company I work for has had great success treating cancer using GMO technology but the science does not revolve around immunotherapy.

There are so many types of cancer that it is impossible to have a one drug therapy for all types. Each have their own mechanisms for expression and as such must be treated individually. The science is moving towards mixing drug licensing with comprehensive screening.

You screen the patient to determine the cancer type and then treat using the appropriate therapy.


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[Fairy Friend]

This work was done by Dr Wolff early 1990s University of Wisconsin. Viris was used was made to not survive outside the lab and was altered. But the virus integrated everywhere, every part of the body every part of the DNA uncontrollably. All it did was produced further damage. My theory matches yours each cancer is individual. My senior thesis was to create cancer lines and track DNA damage as it went from malignant to invasive to metastatic. Cancer cells show massive DNA damage. Radiation, toxins and viruses all cause damage to the DNA which leads to cancer. Preventative medicine is probably are most powerful tool. Enhancing the bodies repair abilities or detoxification abilities would be my plan B. Thanks Fairy Friend