Clash with Karen Hudes on Trunews (Broadcast of October 15th, 2013)

[Operator]

I frequently listen to Trunews (archives here (http://www.trunews.com/listen/)). Not because I am a christian and also not because I would
believe everything brought up is accurate and true,
for example the show is pro Israel, but because there are gems of news items in the show. Like the show of October 10th (http://www.trunews.com/Audio/10_10_13_thursday_trunews2.mp3) which was very informative on
the background of Panama's recent bank holiday.

But even more interesting was the show of October 15th (http://www.trunews.com/Audio/10_15_13_tuesday_trunews2.mp3) with Karen Hudes. She has been sharing interesting information on several alternative media outlets.
But with Rick Wels it clashed. While Rick is a strong believer of 'The end-times' Karen's message is based on 'Everything is ok, we're winning'.
Strong words were used and as a result she was thrown 'off the air'.

http://www.trunews.com/Audio/10_15_13_tuesday_trunews2.mp3

Although I am of the opinion that it is important to have an attitude of a winner to engage in your battle it might be destructive to consider the battle as won while it is still on.

I am curious to what other members here think ... How reliable is the message that Karen Hudes is broadly letting out to the world?

[Snookie]

Those are very good questions.

I think Karen was a bit of a hot head and didn't let the guy finish his thought, which I thought was rude. I also think the interviewer has an agenda to push the fear porn, which is typical of quite a few religious people. So the NSA is reading everyone's emails etc, I don't think we should be "afraid" of that fact. There are a lot more of us than there are of them.

I tend to side with Karen's view more than his. She has the mindset of an athlete visualizing winning the contest before it is over. Better that than giving up and EXPECTING defeat like him.

[Bill Ryan]

I tend to side with Karen's view more than his. She has the mindset of an athlete visualizing winning the contest before it is over. Better that than giving up and EXPECTING defeat like him.

I agree 100%. An apocalyptic End-Times-Believer Christian can be a very dangerous influence. Their agenda is very different from that of most others who are doing everything they can to AVOID cataclysm or catastrophe.

End-Timers are kind of looking forward to it, saying: "Bring it on, because in the end God will fix everything."

If God was going to fix everything, he'd have done it already. We can't count on him showing up. So far, he's been very late for the party.

There have been more than plenty of incidents in world history where it would have been great if God had appeared to save the day (or, at least, to save a few million lives). But he never has done so far. That's a poor track record for the human race to depend on.

The whole idea is that we have to fix it ourselves. It's all about responsibility, and leaving it up to God is avoiding responsibility. I suspect that Karen Hudes would 100% endorse this view.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I agree 100%. An apocalyptic End-Times-Believer Christian can be a very dangerous influence. Their agenda is very different from that of most others who are doing everything they can to AVOID cataclysm or catastrophe.

End-Timers are kind of looking forward to it, saying: "Bring it on, because in the end God will fix everything."

If God was going to fix everything, he'd have done it already. We can't count on him showing up.

There have been more than plenty of incidents in world history where it would have been great if God had shown up. But he never has done so far. That's a pretty poor track track record for us to depend on.

The whole idea is that we have to fix it ourselves. It's all about responsibility, and leaving it up to God is avoiding responsibility. I suspect that Karen Hudes would 100% endorse this view.

Agreed, however, the way Karen conducted herself didn't help her own view (and ours) IMO. When someone goes off like that often what they said is dismissed.

BUT, I would like to address what she said about the Federal Reserve. I knew it wasn't "Federal" that it was privately owned, and the owners were ripping us off, and that a certain percentage was going to Bank of London, but I didn't know that 60% was going to the Vatican. This is the kind of info that I would like to see go mainstream. But unfortunately THAT'S exactly what gets lost in all the bickering about who is or isn't going to save us.

Knowledge about the Fed Res and where all the $$$ goes is paramount. That's what needs to be discussed.

[Peace&Love]

They both got a little suspicious of each other for no reason.
I listened to it all... I still don't understand what went wrong, it seems like a very emotional tone was mishandled by the radio interviewer. He should have leave his pride for a short while and let her talk they way she wanted as it was not directed intentionally to him rather to the overall idea that was being spoken about regarding its validity in the matrix-reality of ours.
Subjects like these shouldn't have these kinds of endings. Instead of talking neutrally they both involved their self respect and got hurt from each other not allowing us listeners a quality material for us to discern and think of at our own free will.

It looks like all we have left are people pointing at each other as disinfo and fear agents instead of just giving simple answers to simple questions.

BTW,
I have a feeling none of this was intentional on both sides, and if given a second chance to sit and talk reasonably it would have worked very nice as they are both positive people in my eyes.

[Operator]

She has the mindset of an athlete visualizing winning the contest before it is over. Better that than giving up and EXPECTING defeat like him.


The whole idea is that we have to fix it ourselves. It's all about responsibility, and leaving it up to God is avoiding responsibility.

Thank you all, great reactions so far !!

As I said before I don't support all the perceptions of Trunews but somehow Rick manages to
frequently have great guests on his show with amazing deep insight on actual news.

One of my main concerns with Karen's positive message is the downside effect it also can have:
"The government is in control, everything will be all-right ... " ... go back to sleep people?

She has been on alternative media a lot lately, including Kerry's show and Kerry wants to
have her back on as soon as possible. How come 'they' let her talk so much ? Or are 'they'
really losing control? Rick seems to be convinced they're not. But I want to raise it as a
legitimate question. Could Karen be 'controlled opposition' ? Any additional thoughts on that?

[Peace&Love]

i think we are reading too much into this... my opinion only... she is not an agent and also he is not an agent...
'They' cannot control everything in this world. She didnt tell to go to sleep and that we are being taken care of, only objected the thought that change cannot be achieved as presented by the interviewer.

I think she is key and we should keep our eyes on her interviews and public presentations as she carries a message of hope.

[Operator]

only objected the thought that change cannot be achieved as presented by the interviewer.

Agreed, no doubts here.


i think we are reading too much into this...

Sure, could be ... purpose of my question is to 'weigh' the value of the information that Karen delivers, like every intelligence agency would do.


She didnt tell to go to sleep

Indeed she didn't. But I am interested in the effect that Karen's message could have on everyone. I suspect that there is a tendency that the
more people rely on her message to be true the less they will do themselves to change the situation.

[Peace&Love]

If you ask me... her information is accurate and very painful at the same time. She 'has been there done that' kind of person seen the white in the eyes of those people that are manipulating our lives to makes us their slaves. She knows very well how law works and is familiar with much of the nuances and 'black holes' contracts, rulings and laws have so she is deducting wisely it can all be stopped via continued legal work within the legal and lawful parameters as it indeed allow us to make change that would be beneficial.
A note on her emotionally delivered message, that can only prove to the highest degree for me she stands behind every word she says. A true person of truth.
She already affected me when i listened to the interview Kerry Cassidy has made with her. I noticed she hasn't changed a word or added unnecessary drama, just plain facts and events occurring witnessed by her. She is definitely on the side of the humans.
We can only change what we are focusing on, i believe that, by her information she creates new focus points that propagate further to each and every viewer/listener so they can have their attention towards hope and trust there are still people out there that believe and act in the name of justice for the human race.

[Corncrake]

Yes, understandably though regrettably Karen lost it!

You may be interested to read these comments by Karen:

http://discussions.latimes.com/20/lanews/la-fi-shutdown-china-20131015/10


Karen Hudes at 12:13 PM October 15, 2013
--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Karen Hudes <h.k3511@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: checking in with you
To: monti smith <monti.smith1951@gmail.com>

Dear Monti,
Thanks for your email. I am safe and well, if not a bit flustered after the collapse of my last interview. I am attaching a list of recently completed interviews, https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/nation+of+change.docx
and forwarding an email concerning a recent one that did not work out.
Dear Endre,
Glad my interview made you laugh -- I am writing you after a radio interviewer, who kept on saying that there was no legal way for US citizens to take back their government, ended my interview when I lost patience and said, [expletive deleted!] http://foa5c.org/file.php/1/Amendments/071_cg_r_03369_1929_HL.JPG
Best,
Karen

[grannyfranny100]

I am so sorry Karen Hudes lost it. She works so hard to uncover the evil doers and gather allies around the world to undo this mess without totally destroying our country. Her information could have given his audience hope for the future.

So what is this guy's solution- just give up and pray for the end times? Did he keep insisting on giving his viewpoint to interrupt her and keep her from sharing her no end times alternatives? That happened when she reached the point of mentioning the Vatican Bank being part of the evil controllers. That was his clue that the interview was not going his way.

He claimed he has been doing "this" for fifteen years. Doing what- interviewing people? That doesn't make him an expert on financial matters. Why did he keep insisting on stating his viewpoint rather than let her reveal her solutions. He knew he wanted to break her.

He is a very,very slick operator like a psychopath lovebombing his latest romantic victim and when the interview was moving away from the direction he wanted to control, she blew up and lost the chance to influence some end time believers.

Karen made a mistake by not listening to one of his shows in advance. The beginning said it all, he knows the truth and presents all the truth. Since when does one person know all the truth? Karen should have known better than to go on a show like this one.

[Snookie]

I don't agree with her that we should solve these problems by staying within the existing system. I think the whole kit & caboodle should be chucked in the garbage. All of us need to remember what beautiful human creators we are. If we begin believing in our own creative power and strength, we soon won't be giving these A holes a second thought. We'll be so involved with pleasing and delighting ourselves what they do or don't do will not matter to us.

I know this isn't an easy way to think and be. Even a few years ago I would not have believed I would have ever written something like this, but the more we disengage from "their" paradigm, the easier it will be for us.

[grannyfranny100]

Are you an anarchist? Do you love chaos? Have you ever lived in survival mode? Do you not value anything in your current life that you would want to save or protect? Who is going to collect the garbage of the "whole kit & caboodle."

[ThePythonicCow]

But with Rick Wiles it clashed. While Rick is a strong believer of 'The end-times' Karen's message is based on 'Everything is ok, we're winning'.
Strong words were used and as a result she was thrown 'off the air'.

http://www.trunews.com/Audio/10_15_13_tuesday_trunews2.mp3

Although I am of the opinion that it is important to have an attitude of a winner to engage in your battle it might be destructive to consider the battle as won while it is still on.

I am curious to what other members here think ... How reliable is the message that Karen Hudes is broadly letting out to the world?

I have no comment on any religious or end-times views of Rick Wiles, but what I heard him say about the ones in power now, such as stating that they are not going to let anyone else take their power away, and such as a Constitutional Convention being intolerable, sounded right on to me.

On the other hand, what I heard Karen Hudes saying, that we are winning using existing institutions such as state governments and existing mechanisms such as a Constitutional Convention, with support from some key US Senators, sounded quite wrong to me, in addition to her being quite rude about it.

Rick Wiles concluded that portion of the broadcast by saying "You know what, I don't trust her any more." I was already having my doubts about Hudes continued efforts to work within the system, and her claim that there was 170,000 tons of gold bullion in a vault in Hawaii. I heard Wiles give Hudes an opportunity to speak of her views and experience, but Hudes rudely refused to let Wiles finish a single sentence expressing Wiles views that we will not succeed working within the system.

[Snookie]

Please see my answers under your questions:



Are you an anarchist?
A) Not sure, but probably

Do you love chaos?
A) Sometimes, it's during those times I feel most alive.

Have you ever lived in survival mode?
A) Most of my life. I grew up in a family of 10 children...what does that tell you?

Do you not value anything in your current life that you would want to save or protect?
A) My relationships with my loved ones.

Who is going to collect the garbage of the "whole kit & caboodle.
A) Either we all will or none of us will - it's our choice.

"

[Operator]

I have no comment on any religious or end-times views of Rick Wiles, but what I heard him say about the ones in power now, such as stating that they are not going to let anyone else take their power away, and such as a Constitutional Convention being intolerable, sounded right on to me.

On the other hand, what I heard Karen Hudes saying, that we are winning using existing institutions such as state governments and existing mechanisms such as a Constitutional Convention, with support from some key US Senators, sounded quite wrong to me, in addition to her being quite rude about it.

Rick Wiles concluded that portion of the broadcast by saying "You know what, I don't trust her any more." I was already having my doubts about Hudes continued efforts to work within the system, and her claim that there was 170,000 tons of gold bullion in a vault in Hawaii. I heard Wiles give Hudes an opportunity to speak of her views and experience, but Hudes rudely refused to let Wiles finish a single sentence expressing Wiles views that we will not succeed working within the system.

Thanks Paul.

You perfectly reflect the dilemma I had with the show ... although Rick Wiles is trying to get people on the show to get the
truth on the table it appears to be his truth in his desired context. But the same can be said about Karen Hudes. It is great
she has such a clear inside view on the problems but she only sees the solutions within her context too.

Personally I don't think that a legal system, built and controlled by the cabal, can be used to bring down that same cabal.
Doesn't sound right to me ... Additionally, I guess we all know what emotional energy can do. I think that showing her
emotional involvement may show her vulnerability to become 'controlled' in the near future.

So, yes she has a message of hope but at the same time I have my doubts about the projected solutions.

[Operator]

Are you an anarchist? Do you love chaos? Have you ever lived in survival mode? Do you not value anything in your current life that you would want to save or protect? Who is going to collect the garbage of the "whole kit & caboodle."

Ok, let me reply to that ... although you had those questions aimed at Snookie in post #12 I guess.

I am a software developer and from that experience I can tell you that, yes, sometimes it's better to scrap the lot and start over from scratch.
Keep on kicking the can down the road and band aids here and there are often not going to fix structural problems. On the contrary attempts
to repair often contribute to an even bigger chaos. I think that's actually the situation we're in now.

And of course you're right, what I said about software is easier to be corrected than our complete society.
The question is are we still able to avoid system crashes or should we prepare for a (un?)controlled crash landing?

It makes sense to me that we should turn our current society into a more sustainable one by decentralization and
smaller self organizing units anyway. However, most people will only start to move when there are unambiguous
signs to do so. So, do we really have a choice?

[norman]

What would Jesus have said in Karen's position ?

What would Jesus have said in the host's position?

[Bill Ryan]

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I just listened to the show. I'm with Karen Hudes.

Rick Wiles said (and this is the exact quote):

"I don't see any way that the American people can take control of this country short of a... quite frankly, a bloody revolution."

Karen Hudes is putting her life on the line trying to find other means. That's why she got angry -- because she doesn't want bloodshed and justified Martial Law. She told Rick Wiles, in response:

"That's what they want you to think." And she may be right.

Rick Wiles' proposed solution, after ending the interview saying that she would never have Karen Hudes on his show again, and that he did not trust her, was to pray that God would bring them all down.

But God works in mysterious ways. Maybe he'll be helping Karen do her job.

:)

[KiwiElf]

Well I'd wager Karen knows a great deal more than Rick (and his precious ego) does on this topic. Believing passively in anything outside of yourself to fix a "problem" (God, Aliens etc) is essentially offloading a responsibilty that is really our own ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

So, yes she has a message of hope but at the same time I have my doubts about the projected solutions.

In my view, choosing messages based on what seems hopeful is misguided.

It's about understanding and awareness, and living one's life in accordance with that understanding and awareness.

[ThePythonicCow]

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I just listened to the show. I'm with Karen Hudes.

Rick Wiles said (and this is the exact quote):

"I don't see any way that the American people can take control of this country short of a... quite frankly, a bloody revolution."

Karen Hudes is putting her life on the line trying to find other means. That's why she got angry -- because she doesn't want bloodshed and justified Martial Law. She told Rick Wiles, in response:


Off hand, I don't see any way that we Americans can take back control of our country. But that does not greatly worry me.

When faced with a difficult problem, I don't list the evident "solutions", then pick the one that sucks the least because all the other suck worse.

Keep tinkering, keep probing, keep engaging ... the solution to difficult problems, or even the extent to which one even knows what is really the problem, is seldom evident a priori, and sometimes not even a posteriori.

Life is in the journey. It is this tinkering, probing and engaging, manifest in the evolving understanding and awareness. Life is not a timed and graded academic exam with a solution sheet and a diploma for one's wall at the end.

[KiwiElf]

As one guru has stated in the past, perhaps we need to get rid of our "wishbones" and get a "backbone". ;)

[Kiforall]

I agree 100%. An apocalyptic End-Times-Believer Christian can be a very dangerous influence. Their agenda is very different from that of most others who are doing everything they can to AVOID cataclysm or catastrophe.

End-Timers are kind of looking forward to it, saying: "Bring it on, because in the end God will fix everything."

If God was going to fix everything, he'd have done it already. We can't count on him showing up.

There have been more than plenty of incidents in world history where it would have been great if God had shown up. But he never has done so far. That's a pretty poor track track record for us to depend on.

The whole idea is that we have to fix it ourselves. It's all about responsibility, and leaving it up to God is avoiding responsibility. I suspect that Karen Hudes would 100% endorse this view.

Agreed, however, the way Karen conducted herself didn't help her own view (and ours) IMO. When someone goes off like that often what they said is dismissed.

BUT, I would like to address what she said about the Federal Reserve. I knew it wasn't "Federal" that it was privately owned, and the owners were ripping us off, and that a certain percentage was going to Bank of London, but I didn't know that 60% was going to the Vatican. This is the kind of info that I would like to see go mainstream. But unfortunately THAT'S exactly what gets lost in all the bickering about who is or isn't going to save us.

Knowledge about the Fed Res and where all the $$$ goes is paramount. That's what needs to be discussed.

I came across this, don't know whether it's old news for the financially aware. Lots of info mainly about CMKX Diamonds shareholders have a 3.87 Trillion USD lawsuit against the SEC and the delay in the World Global Settlements and US Dollar Refunding Project 2011.

This site has been created to enable a group of Christopher Story's friends and supporters to continue to publish material which relates to his formidable fight against greed and corruption in high places.

http://csonward.weebly.com/

[Operator]

So, yes she has a message of hope but at the same time I have my doubts about the projected solutions.

In my view, choosing messages based on what seems hopeful is misguided.

It's about understanding and awareness, and living one's life in accordance with that understanding and awareness.

Sure, correct again I think ... without awareness no diagnosis, without no diagnosis no cure/solution.
I think that raised awareness already is more than half the solution.

Take as an example a bank robbery. If 2 out of 10 clients in a bank are aware that a robbery is about to
take place and the robber knows it he will choose another bank or postpone/cancel his plans.

[Operator]

Karen made a mistake by not listening to one of his shows in advance. The beginning said it all, he knows the truth and presents all the truth. Since when does one person know all the truth? Karen should have known better than to go on a show like this one.

I missed this remark before. Karen didn't have to listen to one of his shows since she has been on the same show before: Tuesday May 21, 2013 (http://www.trunews.com/Audio/5_21_13_tuesday_trunews2.mp3)

[heretogrow]

I find it creepy that someone would want to use God as a hitman to bring someone down.

[ghostrider]

The trap of truth , once you think you know everything, your mind will close and the option of possibility and or probablity go out the window , you battle all takers thinking that there is something noble about your fight , when all along all you did was box yourself in a corner , and then cease learning , these days on open mind is soooo important , things change rapidly and on many fronts all at the same time ... Have you noticed everyone is fighting with everyone ??? Let us wish for peace on both parties involved , saalome ... they should be fighting the NWO agenda not each other ...

[ghostrider]

I have always said to bring in a new world order they must first collapse the old one ...it seems we are living in a kind of movie with actors and scripts ...sidbar , I guess there is no free speech , if you speak your mind in some places , your done , you can't say that, what do you think this is a free country or something ??? don't you dare release your passion , at a critical time , on the most important topic ...lol Karen tried but ole chap couldn't get what she was trying to say ... hunkerd down in his religion , it's game over , next caller ...

[Operator]

Have you noticed everyone is fighting with everyone ???

The ole "divide and conquer" ... it still works. Problem is 'they' don't have to divide us anymore ... we've divided ourselves.

[Curt]

Yep. Exactly. These are the problems I have with her message as well. Seems too easy. Seems like an invitation to sit back and hope.

However well-intentioned her message may be--and I remain neutral on that point-- it's hard to see where the instruments of power, which are owned by the controllers, can be made to undo the controllers' hold on said power.

At least not in the straightforard way she is suggesting.

I could easily see where one powerful group working behind the scenes could use the courts and congress to wrest power away from a rival group.

But a group of good guys walking in the front door of these institutions like something out of a Frank Capra film, and, by good intentions and knowledge of the law alone, turning a deeply corrupt system on its head for the good of all....

I have my doubts.

Having said that, I sincerely hope I'm wrong and that this is exactly what's happening.

I'm just wary of smoking anymore 'Hope Dope', if you catch my drft.





I have no comment on any religious or end-times views of Rick Wiles, but what I heard him say about the ones in power now, such as stating that they are not going to let anyone else take their power away, and such as a Constitutional Convention being intolerable, sounded right on to me.

On the other hand, what I heard Karen Hudes saying, that we are winning using existing institutions such as state governments and existing mechanisms such as a Constitutional Convention, with support from some key US Senators, sounded quite wrong to me, in addition to her being quite rude about it.

Rick Wiles concluded that portion of the broadcast by saying "You know what, I don't trust her any more." I was already having my doubts about Hudes continued efforts to work within the system, and her claim that there was 170,000 tons of gold bullion in a vault in Hawaii. I heard Wiles give Hudes an opportunity to speak of her views and experience, but Hudes rudely refused to let Wiles finish a single sentence expressing Wiles views that we will not succeed working within the system.

Thanks Paul.

You perfectly reflect the dilemma I had with the show ... although Rick Wiles is trying to get people on the show to get the
truth on the table it appears to be his truth in his desired context. But the same can be said about Karen Hudes. It is great
she has such a clear inside view on the problems but she only sees the solutions within her context too.

Personally I don't think that a legal system, built and controlled by the cabal, can be used to bring down that same cabal.
Doesn't sound right to me ... Additionally, I guess we all know what emotional energy can do. I think that showing her
emotional involvement may show her vulnerability to become 'controlled' in the near future.

So, yes she has a message of hope but at the same time I have my doubts about the projected solutions.

[grannyfranny100]

Operator, you said, "I am a software developer and from that experience I can tell you that, yes, sometimes it's better to scrap the lot and start over from scratch."

I understand and agree as a non-software person. As an artist, I find it quite pleasurable to make the decision to trash what I am creating and start again when I deem it the right thing to do. As an artist I can chose to tear up a watercolor because my action does not interfere with others.

Too often it seems, one has to accept what is and deny one's personal vision or get very creative with outside box thinking to find a way around an obstacle, societal norm, a difficult person. In software development do you have the freedom I do as an independent artist or is there a boss that forces you to comply with their judgment about a piece of software or gives you a zillion pieces of paperwork you must fill out to justify your decision to start again?

And operator, thanks for this, "I missed this remark before. Karen didn't have to listen to one of his shows since she has been on the same show before: Tuesday May 21, 2013." Frankly, I don't have the stomach to listen to this one when many other interviews exist with her where she is permitted to build her case of tracking the money, revealing the evil doers, discussing the Congressional and international allies she has made, crediting other whistleblowers and their findings, her lawsuits, etc. Now that is a sad admission on my part that I won't listen to her earlier interview. I believe in consensus building so I "should" listen to it with the intent to find common ground with others participating in this thread.

Operator, I don't agree with, "The ole "divide and conquer" ... it still works. Problem is 'they' don't have to divide us anymore ... we've divided ourselves." If we were to accept a bee hive or borg mind set we would be giving TPTB what they want mindless, passive slaves. We wouldn't have differing viewpoints. Our differing viewpoints are our strength as long as we remain civil with each other as is true here. This is a civil discourse, an exchange of ideas. It can lead to consensus building with an outcome greater than the sum of our respective ideas.

I sure think the art of consensus building was an excellent idea when Congress was invented but it can be corrupted and has been by control freaks and greed. That's because we stopped paying attention and allowed this to happen. It is like checking out your attic after ignoring it for years. The creepy crawlers, mice and spiders have taken over. Do you burn down the attic in anarchical style and lose your entire home or get a broom and start cleaning it up. Cleaning it up may lead to some disputes about stuff to keep and stuff to trash but eventually the space can be saved and made useful again. Or it can become something better than it was - a master suite, playroom or media space. Congress can be better than it is now.

Think about the recent government shutdown. Consensus building was not working and polls showed that 70% want to just dump the current members and elect a new bunch. Boehner couldn't even keep newbie Cruz on a leash. Cruz was operating purely from a win/ lose approach as a minion for the Koch Brothers and their corporate Fascist agenda. He proved to be such a thorn in the side of any consensus building that his local Houston newspaper wrote a long piece apologizing for their previous endorsement of him for Senator. He proved to be an embarrassment to his party, our government, the people and the international community. He was incapable of the civil discourse we have in our modest forum thread.

We have choices about Congress. We can encourage his local community to recall him because his good ideas clash with his bombastic approach. We can vote out many Congress members in 2014 and vote in more newbies that we investigate more carefully. We can test the quality of our local representatives by emailing them on issues we have carefully researched and follow up with how they voted. We can throw away the institution of Congress as just one more disposal object in our disposal culture without consensus on the consequences. Or we can ignore the challenge and docilely wait for God to correct everything without getting off our dumb asses and participating in our co-creation with the God force.

Honestly think about what you did the past two weeks of the government shut down? Did you attempt to participate by researching any issues, contact your representatives with well researched info from sources not spoon fed to them, did you participate in any way at all? Did you give up in despair and pray to Jesus to give me, give me what I want and not what I deserve for my intellectual laziness, did you hide in TV programs engineered to keep you passive?

There are folks on the planet that believe previous civilizations destroyed themselves and we are well on the same pathway. That ET are watching carefully because this is the last time that this experiment will be repeated. I have my days that I feel we have been a waste of time and effort and am so disgusted that I understand why the universe may be better off to give up on us. It seems unlikely we will make it over the hump and be all we can be.

[Operator]

Thank you grannyfranny100 for your follow up contribution to this thread. :peace:



And operator, thanks for this, "I missed this remark before. Karen didn't have to listen to one of his shows since she has been on the same show before: Tuesday May 21, 2013." Frankly, I don't have the stomach to listen to this one when many other interviews exist with her where she is permitted to build her case of tracking the money, revealing the evil doers, discussing the Congressional and international allies she has made, crediting other whistleblowers and their findings, her lawsuits, etc. Now that is a sad admission on my part that I won't listen to her earlier interview. I believe in consensus building so I "should" listen to it with the intent to find common ground with others participating in this thread.


I provided the link only to indicate she wasn't a new but 'returning' guest. I may have listened to that show, I can't even remember.
And yes you're right it sometimes no longer is pleasant to listen even to your favorite speakers because the message is repeated over
and over again so often that you get the feeling of being programmed. Or 'We know the drill by now'.



Operator, I don't agree with, "The ole "divide and conquer" ... it still works. Problem is 'they' don't have to divide us anymore ... we've divided ourselves." If we were to accept a bee hive or borg mind set we would be giving TPTB what they want mindless, passive slaves. We wouldn't have differing viewpoints. Our differing viewpoints are our strength as long as we remain civil with each other as is true here. This is a civil discourse, an exchange of ideas. It can lead to consensus building with an outcome greater than the sum of our respective ideas.

Ok, I see what you mean, you got a point. But I think it is the extreme other end of the scale. I think I've probably mentioned before in another post
that I'm a proponent of diversity. Failing to diversify will also be fatal for future development.

I think that a major example e.g. is the 9/11 truth movement. As long as people keep fighting over what really happened it won't get solved.
The common ground, and in my opinion most important issue, is that the official story stinks and that authorities (worldwide!) are lying.

In my professional life I don't have 'competition' :biggrin1: . For me it is just another opportunity, I work for them!
I wouldn't be able to handle all customers in my market, let them do it. All technical stuff they can't handle ends up
with me as a back-office job for them. My name is not stamped on all products but so what? When I drive around on
this island (and even beyond) I pass along a lot of companies that have products that I worked on. It (silently)
satisfies me that I was able to help so many people/companies.

So yes, I am a believer in building consensus too ... But for big consensus you need a big number of people that
are able to put aside ego. But without ego you will dissolve in the masses and bee hive like structures are then
the looming result. So isn't that exactly the challenging playground we're on today?

[Peace&Love]

What a nice thing to see the thread growing with many opinions and thoughts. This subject is very important because of her being a very high level figure and her wealth of exp. and knowledge. The interviewer is not aware of the material exposed so far by the various interviews on the youtube so he doesn't really understand the place of thought she is coming from. It is not his fault, he will get there one day.
Regarding the ' you just sit back while we take care of things for you ' i don't think she really meant to aim to that direction, it was more like some people that are in the right position and knowledge are acting in the name of humanity and do turn things in the other direction. That is, Out of their own good will and irrelevant to the overall picture of where do we stand, rather in their own area of expertise and wisdom. I think she wanted to say that we are not helpless, so no need to lose hope.

[Operator]

Regarding the ' you just sit back while we take care of things for you ' i don't think she really meant to aim to that direction, it was more like some people that are in the right position and knowledge are acting in the name of humanity and do turn things in the other direction. That is, Out of their own good will and irrelevant to the overall picture of where do we stand, rather in their own area of expertise and wisdom. I think she wanted to say that we are not helpless, so no need to lose hope.

Agreed, I also do not think she aimed to get people in a passive mode. After all she's trying to get on mainstream media and wants
to inform as much people as possible. However, the effect on especially the unaware mainstream media viewers might be that they
get the impression that it's all been taken care of. People, especially specialists, can be so focused sometimes that they forget about
the side effects they are causing too.

B.t.w. it could very well be that she's not looking for fame but she's making as much waves as possible to get public so she doesn't
'disappear in the night' or get 'suicided' all of a sudden. ;) I think she comes across as honest, doing what she feels is right IMHO.

[Peace&Love]

ditto on that my friend! same here :)

[grannyfranny100]

Wow, new Karen Hudes interview on Veritas. http://www.veritasradio.com/guests/2013/10oct/VS-131017-khudes.php
Two hours for members with great upbeat, happy music between the first and second hours.
Mel lets her roll explaining all the complex interrelationships. Lots of stuff that is hard to wrap your head around if you are not an attorney and economist.
It's her best interview yet. Lots of info that TPTB don't want us to know.
Enjoy

[Corncrake]

Here is Karen Hudes' response to the following article which ties in with her comments on gold in the previous interviews (the links are well worth looking at too particularly Lars Shall):

Gold Resurrection from Financial Disaster

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1382040000.php#comment-1086845564

There is a Plan B: to restore the world's gold to the world's people. http://www.naaij.org/2013/10/1...

This plan has been public information since Lars Schall
published this article: http://www.larsschall.com/2013...

I placed Plan B before the Bretton Woods institutions'
Annual Meeting on October 13, 2013, although Dr. Jim Kim on behalf of the now
totally discredited Federal Reserve tried unsuccessfully to lock me out. Prior to that, I placed Plan B before the New
York missions to the United Nations. https://s3.amazonaws.com/khude... Plan B is now before the United States of
America, including the Council of Governors established pursuant to Executive Order 13528 http://www.nga.org/cms/CoG, the County
Executives of America, the Sheriffs, and the citizens of the United States. The US Congress has failed to carry out its
constitutional obligation to convene a Constitutional Convention under Article
V of the US Constitution. http://foa5c.org/file.php/1/Am... Plan B is now in effect.

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Julian Crabb KarenHudes • 18 minutes ago
Does Plan B have any thing to do with NESARA Karen ?

http://www.wethepeopleforpeace...
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KarenHudes Julian Crabb • 4 minutes ago
Not a whit NESARA was brought to you by the same culprits that are misinforming the world and dominating the mainstream media. Why do you think it has been so difficult for me to get any publicity and NESARA dominates the airwaves?

[risveglio]

Are you an anarchist? Do you love chaos? Have you ever lived in survival mode? Do you not value anything in your current life that you would want to save or protect? Who is going to collect the garbage of the "whole kit & caboodle."

Anarchy is not chaos but it seems they fooled you well and good. Who would collect the garbage? The same people that collect it now but instead of fining you $200 for not having a lid on your garbage they will just pick it up and throw it out, maybe give you a suggestion to get a lid.

[risveglio]

I have always said to bring in a new world order they must first collapse the old one ...it seems we are living in a kind of movie with actors and scripts ...sidbar , I guess there is no free speech , if you speak your mind in some places , your done , you can't say that, what do you think this is a free country or something ??? don't you dare release your passion , at a critical time , on the most important topic ...lol Karen tried but ole chap couldn't get what she was trying to say ... hunkerd down in his religion , it's game over , next caller ...

Why do they have to collapse the New World Order to create one. They already have it. They control our money, our food, our health, our education. The "freest country" in the world has more people in prison than any other country. Do you think its only the NWO when we all know we are slaves? We are in it and I don't think we are getting out of it, we are too far gone, too many people believe the bull****, the "social contract".

[Operator]

Wow, new Karen Hudes interview on Veritas. http://www.veritasradio.com/guests/2013/10oct/VS-131017-khudes.php
Two hours for members with great upbeat, happy music between the first and second hours.
Mel lets her roll explaining all the complex interrelationships. Lots of stuff that is hard to wrap your head around if you are not an attorney and economist.
It's her best interview yet. Lots of info that TPTB don't want us to know.
Enjoy

Yeah, very good interview indeed ... She speaks Dutch ?!?



Ok, Karen als je dit leest wordt dan hier lid van het beste forum op internet. Dan kunnen we je persoonlijk vragen stellen
en misschien een grotere groep aan internationale activisten voor de vrijheid van de mens creeren.

I just invited her to become a member here ...

At least she also mentioned how the legal system with its maritime law is corrupted. That raises my confidence in her.
It means that despite being a specialist she may have less of the usual blind spots than I expected :cool:

[Flash]

Wow, new Karen Hudes interview on Veritas. http://www.veritasradio.com/guests/2013/10oct/VS-131017-khudes.php
Two hours for members with great upbeat, happy music between the first and second hours.
Mel lets her roll explaining all the complex interrelationships. Lots of stuff that is hard to wrap your head around if you are not an attorney and economist.
It's her best interview yet. Lots of info that TPTB don't want us to know.
Enjoy

Yeah, very good interview indeed ... She speaks Dutch ?!?



Ok, Karen als je dit leest wordt dan hier lid van het beste forum op internet. Dan kunnen we je persoonlijk vragen stellen
en misschien een grotere groep aan internationale activisten voor de vrijheid van de mens creeren.

I just invited her to become a member here ...

At least she also mentioned how the legal system with its maritime law is corrupted. That raises my confidence in her.
It means that despite being a specialist she may have less of the usual blind spots than I expected :cool:

Good that you are opening up operator! :p

She may think the same thoughts about us, the exact same thoughts, how similar we are all over!!

[Operator]

Good that you are opening up operator! :p


Thanks, but I hope I was open all the time. I mean, in my opening post I raised a sincere question what to think
about her message. Not to question her unconditionally ...

Sincere people and/or organizations get infiltrated or controlled all the time, especially when they are trusted by
a larger audience. Since she's been on so many shows recently and has been allowed to convey her message
so freely I started wondering if there is a 'trojan-horse' side effect to her message.

Since we are often 'reacting' to messages brought to us (instead of being fully creative ourselves) it is important
that we understand the full implications of those messages.

[T Smith]

i think we are reading too much into this... she is not an agent and also he is not an agent... 'They' cannot control everything in this world.

Yes, true. But they could easily allow her Mercedes to crash and burn into a tree, so I think it's a legitimate question to ask.

BTW, sometimes someone can be "controlled opposition" and not even know it (not that I think Karen Hudes is, just sayin'). That's the nature of social engineering, mind control, and subtle leverage over and manipulation of group consciousness. For example, a small child can be easily manipulated into a desired action that is nonetheless 100% their own doing and action. As any parent knows, it's not always an exact science, but with enough understanding of the child's mind, motives, desires, i.e. after an intimate "mapping of the child's innocent consciousness", so to speak (and btw, this is the main objective of NSA surveillance--to map and manipulate group consciousness, which then provides barriers for individual consciousness), you can direct a child's behavior without them ever knowing it. It is phenomenal, really, after the fog of things clear with time, given hindsight and historical perspective, how very common it is for people to play active and sometimes very passionate roles working unwittingly against their own interests, sometimes for the very agenda they passionately speak out against.

I don't subscribe to the End-Times rhetoric or embrace its agenda, but I do tend to agree with Rick that it is extremely naive to believe (or hope) that we can expect a legal remedy to the issues at hand, save for a massive awakening of the true power dynamic as it exists in the exopolitical theater. He is absolutely correct that the power structure would never allow that to happen; there are just so many ways to thwart the type of remedy Karen Hudes was describing, most of which we would likely never even hear about, even in the alternative media. The unfortunate reality is the banking cartel power structure, which is an integral segment of an even larger chain of power, has seized compete control of our governance in terms of the official government being subservient to their agenda. The banksters, for lack of a better term, will allow for government autonomy (and even constitutional law to ensue); they will allow for the government(s) of the various countries to self-determine, so long as those governments or constitutional provisions don't encroach upon their specific agenda, their lawlessness, or their status as Alpha.

All this said, I applaud what Karen Hudes is trying to do. Her approach might succeed, but only after a spontaneous mass awakening (as in a vast majority) and a clear understanding en masse of the dynamic of the power structure--essentially the undoing of a century's worth (or more) of brainwashing. Even then, there will be pain involved in excising the cancer. If we are trying to shred links in the chain of the power structure, they won't go quietly.

[Operator]

All this said, I applaud what Karen Hudes is trying to do. Her approach might succeed, but only after a spontaneous mass awakening (as in a vast majority) and a clear understanding en masse of the dynamic of the power structure

I think most of us here would welcome her attempt to improve the situation. But the question is what can WE do to support her actions?
In fact you answered that question too. Our chances will improve if more and more people become aware of the existing situation.
We have to break the cycle of consent by silence.

And the weirdest thing in this case is that Rick Wiles, despite his other perception/beliefs/context, is also just doing that.
He is also spending a lot of his energy to wake people up. So perhaps the consensus is there after all!

[T Smith]

....I am writing you after a radio interviewer, who kept on saying that there was no legal way for US citizens to take back their government, ended my interview when I lost patience and said, [expletive deleted!] http://foa5c.org/file.php/1/Amendments/071_cg_r_03369_1929_HL.JPG
Best,
Karen

In Rick's defense (again I don't subscribe to the minutia of his worldview) he never said there was no legal way to take back the government... what he said was, he couldn't see any legal way to take back the government without a bloody revolution... As a lawyer, who is presumably trained and accustomed to pay close attention to words and their meanings without undue inference, I'm surprised she inferred the wrong connotation there and reacted so emotionally.

I also tend to agree with Rick. Perhaps she just isn't so jaded, as of yet, and doesn't understand just how malleable the legal system can be to suit those who have corrupted it. But my guess is she will soon learn exactly what Rick is talking about and will probably owe him an apology as she continues on her quest to affect a legal remedy. Of course, the system would cease being so malleable if ever there were a mass awakening, so I by all means support her efforts.

[gripreaper]

Karen Hudes, formerly of the World Bank and causing quite a stir on the
Internet, will be Rod's Special Guest on this Friday's (10.25.13) AIB Live Call
at 9:00 PM Eastern ! She was former Senior Counsel for the World Bank
and resigned or was fired in 2009 ! Her views includes those on the U.S.
dollar and its future stability ! She's apparently been re-instated but some
factions are preventing her from re-assuming her position !

Some pertinent background in a video interview:
"Karen Hudes - U.S. Has to Come Around to the Rule of Law"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av6bpIzvDvg&feature=youtu.be 30 min

Her site: http://kahudes.net/

AIB Talkshoe # (724) 444 - 7444 Call ID: 48361
Also participate Friday Night 10.25.13: Via computer WITHOUT talk option...
And, For The Rod Class AIB Call Archives Go To:
http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=48361&cmd=tc

[grannyfranny100]

Thank you gripreaper. After viewing your recommended link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av6bp...ature=youtu.be 30 min. I discovered another one "World Bank Whistleblower Harrassed By DoJ - Support Her" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zd8-Xy26TE with David Knight giving her exposure on Prisonplanet and Infowars. Definitely also worth watching.

Amazing how this is going viral while the lamestream media ignores her and Congress does its duh act.