Endemic Human Response to Stimuli

[Shezbeth]

The recent EBT debacle that is most obvious in the case of Wal-Mart is an important tell about the full-spectrum nature of responses which one can expect from the overall US population in regards to a variety of catastrophe.

This was most poignantly referred to in this recent episode of the Keiser Report #511.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L12QKvZKEUE

Summary - When masses of people's EBT (food stamp) cards were first shut off, there are/were threats of riot. When they were switched back on with no limit, there was a run on the stores and the shelves were quickly emptied. When they were switched back to normal credit limit, the multitudinous overflowing carts were left abandoned in the aisles by the people who didn't get a chance to cash in so to speak.

This parallels the work of Wall Street.

Currently, in a manner of speaking, Wall Street has no credit limit. As long as this continues there will be a run on whatever significant resource is available until 'the shelves are empty'.
If/when the system collapses, as is inevitable with such a dysfunctional dynamic, several things are likely to occur.

1. The debt, financial devices, et al will be dropped and left abandoned to be cleaned up by whoever doesn't have the luxury of 'leaving', likely in as disadvantageous a manner as possible.
2. There will be riots. By the people, who's way of life has changed dramatically, and by the banks, in the form of government colluded oppression and police-statism.

In all likelihood, much of the police-statism is/will be directed at curtailing riots, but only insomuch as they adversely affect the oligarchy.

The percentage that engaged in the cashing-in, likely the same/related as/to those threatening the riots are another important tell about some of the less-reasonable elements that one is likely to encounter in the event of economic ruin. Opportunism and perceived necessity are a wonderful motivator toward declaring another's resources as being free, and there will be a 'run' of sorts on everything/one with no/insufficient security.

[markpierre]

It's not the work of Wall Street, it's the work of demonstrating the difference between wheat and chaff.
Chaff doesn't recognize that there's a difference. Wheat does.

[Shezbeth]

Not Wall Street as a whole, true; Still, a portion of it. Likewise it was not EBT holders as a whole who behaved in the manner I describe, but a given percentage.

Then, it is not the people who are behaving properly that need be accounted for and/or mediated in a crisis then is it?

Besides, I refer to it being Wall Street for simplicity. I could say:

"egalitarian families manipulating the greater international community through various councils, groups, societies, etc., who are then manipulating the various banking, economic, food, medical(drug), entertainment, legal, and political arenas to the benefit of a near-exclusive minority - and to an exponentially decreasing degree their cronies - enabled significantly but not exclusively by the activities in the banking sector"

... but that's just long winded.

I would appreciate it if you clarified your position - I'm not sure if I'm being agreed with or contested,... though I wouldn't rule out insulted either. Thanks for being an inspiration tho! ^_~

[markpierre]

Does it matter if you're being agreed with or contested? You don't need either from me.

But you can maybe consider that individual choice-making is what's going to make the difference in the kind of world
we move in to individually. That responsibility can't be diluted by blaming it on something as vast and indiscernible as 'the corporation'.
The oligarchy is made up of individual choice makers as well, just making incredibly stupid and selfish choices. They're a good demonstration to us
of what not to think or how to behave. We don't fall prey to anything other than our own thinking.
The 'collective' that's participating in true change is probably a lot smaller than you realize or would hope.
It could even be narrowed down to 'you'.
That frenzied frequency of thinking, by law happens in localized ways and places or conditions because like attacks like.
And with exceptions because there are true people everywhere as well, for whatever individual purposes.

You can recognize that your vibration hasn't allowed those conditions to manifest directly in your face,
but you send your attention to what has nothing to do with your frequency, and it slows your frequency down.
So you have a rather simple and nonthreatening choice.
You can recognize that that's what's happening and intentionally reach out and assist in raising that slow frequency up.
Good luck with that (kidding). You may not notice a visible difference, but you'll feel one. It will have a beneficial effect.

Was that agreeing or disagreeing? I can't really tell. Chaff just gets blown off with the wind and is gone and forgotten.
Wheat is solid and consolidated and gets used for what it's useful for.

Cheers!

[Shezbeth]

The phenomenon you seem to be describing is one in which the individual has the total and final say. Are all Avalon participants in a position to dismissively discount the probable responses of various factions of the masses simply because they are inconsistent with their individual choices? Is everyone who happens across this thread likely to autonomously and independently thrive in an environment without hostile/outside influence? Until then,....

I agree that individual choices will make a/the difference, but that includes the individual choices that are made by individuals/groups that are want to engage in, at the least inconsideration and at the most predation. The adage is prepare for the worst while hoping for the best. The best will/can only manifest once one has painstakingly ensured it in spite of the multitudinous actions taken by everyone else in a given spectrum. This isn't a game of solitaire.

There are alot of "you's" in your argument, and I cannot be certain if you are referring to me or the prototypical 'you'. Further, there are still elements of your argument that still are not entirely clear, but what is clear I can say is largely inaccurate of me, and by inference likely so of others.

I assume that most people are currently absent angry mobs - may it stay that way - but that doesn't mean that there aren't/won't be any, and one could do worse than to recognize the angry mob potential. Angry mobs are limited in their range of activity, so mediating a significant problem before it manifests seems quite pragmatic. Am I to assume that pragmatism results in a lower vibration?

Moreover, the angry mobs I allude to are not necessarily of a civilian nature. Police, para-/military, are likely to be in attendance.


Was that agreeing or disagreeing? I can't really tell. Chaff just gets blown off with the wind and is gone and forgotten. Wheat is solid and consolidated and gets used for what it's useful for.

Again, that lack of clarity and the judeo-christian wheat/chaff reference. Everything gets used for what it is useful for. Chaff may be inedible to humans, but not to the livestock that humans depend on, nor to the earth from which the next crop will spring. All things have their time and place and are worthy of consideration and respect. To do otherwise - to ignore them - is the very definition of ignorance.

[markpierre]

The phenomenon you seem to be describing is one in which the individual has the total and final say. Are all Avalon participants in a position to dismissively discount the probable responses of various factions of the masses simply because they are inconsistent with their individual choices? Is everyone who happens across this thread likely to autonomously and independently thrive in an environment without hostile/outside influence? Until then,....


Potentially yes. Potential has to be activated. The action itself is indeed the individual's choice and responsibility.
He/she/you does/do have the final say. That's for everyone out there interested in their own solution.
That's true for everyone seemingly 'out there' that make choices that are discordant with yours, or mine, or anyone's.
But no one's are in discord unless you judge them as such, and no one makes your choices for you.
I'm not aware of 'masses'. 'Masses' are not a living consciousness. I only see a lot of individuals, mass them together, and react in some way
as though they aren't a lot of individual choicemakers.
But if you see a wall of bricks falling, I'd get out of the way.
You're really only aware of whatever reaction you have, and that's where change can occur. Seeing other contrasting choices
helps us become more aware of our own so that we can make more consciously, what may have been previously unconscious choices.
The real facts of the matter are extraordinary.

I like the wheat and chaff metaphor. It was a practical fact of my childhood. It was collected and hauled away and burned. It's been a practical fact of my awakening.
Useless behaviors and ideas and beliefs and 'choicemaking' fall away eventually. It's easy to understand if you don't get it confused with your own views of religion.
Don't find offense or disagreement where there is none.

Regards

[Shezbeth]

Ah, but there are degrees of potential. There's the thousand-monkey/typewriter form of potential, and on the border of inevitability is the domino-set form.

The premise of this thread is to illustrate a scenario - historical precedent - in which dominoes have fallen, and how they will fall if in a larger context with consistent variables. I agree that if the wall is falling one should get out of the way. I also agree that just because there is a wall doesn't mean one should avoid it for fear of it falling. But this is a big wall we are discussing here - one in which the mortar has chipped away, there are cracks run through, and there are still people picking and hammering away at it.

I'll give you an example from my own experience.

I do alot of walking, mostly on roads with no sidewalk. I have chosen to walk on the 'wrong' (left) side of the road, facing oncoming traffic. When oncoming traffic presents its self I walk to the other side and return when they have passed. If cars are on both sides I step off, wait, and resume when safe.

In doing so I am A. Always out of the way of whatever traffic is present, and B. Always an active and participant in my own perpetuity.

It is not fear of being hit (for whatever of the possible reasons - mechanical failure, negligence, apathy, incompetence, psychopathy, malice, et al) that inspires me to do so (at a significant increase in expended effort), nor am I more likely to be hit by taking additional steps others would classify as unnecessary. I am inspired by being cognizant of the potential to be hit. I find I am less likely to be struck by a motorist I can plainly see and more readily hear coming at me than one coming at me from behind.

In this I take responsibility (mediation of potential risk) for the consequences (being hit) of my choices (walking). A safety program is not designed for the 9999 times things go properly (the wall stands) but for the 1 time things go awry (it all falls apart). Again, perhaps the wall will not fall, but there is no fault in recognizing that it has become increasingly unsteady and that people have been crushed by falling walls in the past. Perhaps my methods don't make sense to some, but those with discernment will have the opportunity to understand.

And, it amuses me when I am criticized by others for the 'foolishness' of going back and forth.

It is a pity you burned the chaff, there are a variety of uses for it. ^_~

I remember reading recently about monkeys washing sweet potatos. I bet that first monkey looked silly and drew criticism from other monkeys before the idea caught on.

The MO is simple - Radical Self-Reliance

[markpierre]

Human potential is unlimited. It isn't contained by anything other than human beliefs in limitation. That's what's changing.
You could find yourself walking through cars. It happens.
But I appreciate what you're saying. Well said. Thanks.

[Shezbeth]

You could find yourself walking through cars. It happens.
:twitch:

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