Taking the money out of the bank - and other non thought through theologies

[Crazy Louie]

okay so of course we don't want to leave anything on the table when things go south.

I worked in jobs where if you didn't use your sick time - you did not get paid when you left the job - result - people didn't keep much sick time on the books.

Now we have everyone saying take the money from the bank

or else

but then we get a whole short list of what to do instead - Gold, silver, guns, supplies, and land. --- thats about it -

my common sense tells me if money is worth nothing then gold and silver will be worth the same - and with this we are greeted with well gold and silver have always been worth something.. but we forget that was then - when gold and silver in everyday life was the mainstay of the barter system. today try and go buy groceries with gold and silver - its not legal tender - the only stores that will do this are coin shops and pawn shops and they rip you off over or under spot -- (gee what's new) and if the rest of the infastructure is gone they won't even be there anyway.

In the meantime the howling continues to get your money out of banks - but then what - if the economy collapses of what value will paper fiat money be - and for those that then try to barter with gold and silver what will its value be when your hungry and and have your stack but the guy with the rice and beans ain't interested..

(most of the stuff I read seems to suffer with a disconnect - as in - the economy has collapsed but life continues pretty much as it always has - some sort of argentina or russia economic collapse)

no one entertains the complete end of life as we know it thing and when they do - they are still thinking man will be civilized and bartering will be possible. lol - apparently they only watched the movie "The Road" and did not bother reading the pulitizer prize winning book it was based on. - to with - they will knock the gold and silver from your hand and sodomize you and then barbacue you.. (12 hours of a steady roast to break down muscle tissue) or boil you - if they have the fixings.

I digress - so you take the money out of the bank - then what - you did all the things they suggest - but you can't help thinking when you was young you did what they said - you joined the service during wartime - you then got your college degree - you then got your house and car - you tried the wife thing - and it was all worthless to the soul - just stuff to cause you grief as you kept waiting for the american dream to make you complete - well the only way that could happen is if you stayed on the blue pill.

So I know some of you have thought this through and are perhaps able to arrive at a better thought - now I realize its all a game - I mean when we place value on something we have to put value on it - like years ago when people spent money
to have a pet rock - remember that fad --- so everyone has agreed that fiat money currently means something - and the big replacement is bit coin or gold and silver - why - just because people have agreed that this will mean something - does not mean its really worth anything only more of the same old same old system that is based on a token economy

so you have the money out of the bank - and WROL comes along or EROL comes along then what - your armed up and going to defend this? ya, until 100 beserkers make a charge at your house - or one person sneaks up when its dark and runs a brick threw a window followed by a flaming bottle of gas - etc.

side note : better to open your handy dandy portable propane bottles and as they enter your house - "let there be light" - lol - no one gets anything - but you take a smile with you.

So I have been wondering about this money out of the bank thing - it seems when it reaches that stage - if the banks are gone - whats the point - no groceries - no gas - no power - etc - when the life you had is a memory and the hoardes - who ever they are , clowns, dead zombies or the zombies that live all around us come a knocking - of what use is the money?

and as far as the rural off the grid thing - I don't see where its of benefit - if you can get to it - so can others - and realistically people will be like cockroaches - after all all the dna of natives can be traced back to 12-14 people who crossed over from asia by way of alaska and down - get around get around we get around.

what ever you own today - will either be consumed or belong to someone else in 100 years. You can't even keep the roller skates that take you to heaven.

So is that enough ground work for a simple question - what do you do with the money you take out of the bank that adds up to any real value because as the jews learned in germany - wealth didn't really work out when their time came. there was no barter there was just taking by those who came in brutal force with numbers.

My own observations are the whole existing system was a trap right from the beginning
we are slaves today just as much as we will be tomorrow. (we are in one big fema camp Now - don't you see?) We only know one system and that is based on money - so no matter what we use instead its the same broke down reality and nothing will change in this paradox if we stay tethered to any resemblence of what we now call capitalism and base our station in life by the house we live in and the car we drive. (even the stupid hybred's that are so eco friendly with the vanity plates on them). Fools.

I have faith in ga ga wah (god) - wealth of spirit - I am asking this question to find some thinkers and to try and understand the thoughts of others who think their prep is of any worth beyond six months max. - you don't think the Deliverance banjo's would not have already been playing at your place by then all over your hydrogarden and 5 years of supplies.

I don't expect much response - even here my words are chinese to most. 留在你的睡眠中

cheers.

[Marianne]

Owl, I think some of us are hoping things will get better ... and it may take some time ... but there is a hope that staying around is worth it.
No one knows how it will turn out.
I would not want to survive at all costs ... I'd rather strap on my roller skates along with my loved ones, friends and family, than be the one left here at their expense.
But also not willing to give up until I see I have to.
Take care.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Consider a slow collapse where bank failures steadily increase. If your money is not in the bank, your money cannot be used by the bank to bail itself out of debt because you have your money where you can touch it.

Many people think that the money they place into bank accounts still belongs to them. Not true. You actually become an unsecured creditor to the bank. If the bank fails, unsecured creditors are the last to get paid. Secured creditors (not you) get paid first. That translates into your deposits being converted into shares of a failed bank. Not a nice thought.

The largest banks are a casino where depositor's money is used by the bank to gamble on derivatives and other high risk investments. If the bank wins their bet, you are safe for the moment. If the bank loses a large bet and fails, you may not get your deposits back.

The government has also declared that if there is suspicion that anything in a safety deposit box is connected to terrorism, it can legally be confiscated. That is kind of scary when gun owners, libertarians and those who voice politically incorrect opinions are sometimes labeled as terrorists.

In a partial collapse and hyper inflation, the banks may put a limit on how much paper money can be withdrawn in a specific time period. If that happens, you cannot convert paper money into food and durable goods as fast as you would like. Better to have paper money at home, hidden in diverse locations, so it can be rapidly converted into something useful.

If things get too bad, most people will choose not be here. But the storm ahead may not be a total economic collapse. Look at Zimbabwe. They have had astronomical inflation yet they still survive. They have learned to immediately convert paper money into food and durable goods because tomorrow the paper money will be worth less.

Some of the best investments include a water filter (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=178), dehydrated (http://beprepared.com/food-storage.html) and canned food and a composting or sawdust toilet (http://ronmauer.net/blog/?page_id=216). If you don't have clean water you don't need anything else in about 3 days. And if you don't have food, you do not need the composting toilet.

I suspect that many people accustomed to our rapidly declining western life stye may not be willing to simplify their lifestyle, give up credit cards and expensive smart phone plans. That is sad because the money saved and a little prepping may be all that was needed to weather the approaching storm.

We really need to start thinking out of the box and disconnect from the social programming of mainstream news and TV.

[ceetee9]

OWL, I have contemplated many of things you have articulated in your post as well and I still have not come up with any definitive solution(s) to the questions you posed for many of the same reasons you so poignantly stated. So at this point in my life I just don't worry about it anymore. That's not to say that I wouldn't be worried if or when they come a knockin', but I guess I'll just have to cross that bridge if and when the time comes.

[KiwiElf]

Warning of things to come?

This is an excerpt from a larger article:

"Investors favoured so-called safe haven currencies such as the yen and the Swiss franc, and dumped the higher risk kiwi and Aussie after a spike in China's short-term money-market interest rates and reports that the Chinese government is clamping down on Chinese bank lending."

http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/nz-dollar-worst-performing-currency-195600159.html

[Crazy Louie]

thank you all for your replies - you know I think many of us would gladly lay down are lives right now in sacrafice if it would mean the course of the world could change - but with that same amount of clarity I think many of us just know - that no matter how or what time frame - we are on a runaway train. the media has always brainwashed us into thinking the good guys always get the money and girl at the end of the movie - sometimes when I listen to most people I feel sorry for them because they don't really have much insight into what the writing on the wall says - my mom is english - went through the blitz - I grew up with her catch phrase which was " Bloody well get on with it." -- I think the tone of it resembles the statement assigned to Jesus when he said let the dead bury their own dead. -- a good reason for a slow incubation period of destruction and chaos finding its way to us is so that people will really wake up again from yet another dream - and perhaps reach a place where god is not so wacky to them as the bible prophesies pick up even more speed than they are today - I am feeling like we are top of shoe deep in the swamp now - by 2017 we will be high thigh -- 2020 - neck deep. ( well - my wing span might not glide me that far) -

I think we just don't have much choice in too much - besides how we carry ourselves in these times. When I was a new guy in yet another high school a baby kong kind of guy was paid to beat me up - mainly because I had long hair and the girls all liked me - so when school was out we was walking towards this designated spot for the "fight" . Quite a good turn out - lol -- and I tell everyone "sorry there is not going to be a fight." and then I turn and tell the baby kong okay you go first - and he nails me - I fall down and get up - and stand in front of him and he nails me again - I spit part of tooth out . I get up and he hits me again - I get up blood is now coming down my nose onto my shirt - he hits me again and I get back up - kind of hurts - not as much as the heartless tribe gathered to watch it - but I am feeling the pain. He hits me the fifth time I get back up - then some noise from crowd - "that's enough he ain't going to fight and he ain't going to run" - so it stopped - I walked home alone - years later different people spoke of it - no one knew what to make of it - I showed no fear - I wan't going to run -- and they had not seen that before -- for the next two years at that school no one ever even tried to start a fight with me - baby kong was considered a baby kong by most fearfully - even baby kong never bothered me again - he was really putting his best shots into the affair. point being - point I want to make is -- it was a small town there was no place to run - I had a father who had broke my nose twice before I was 15 - you get use to having no expectation that the world will ever treat you different. I am not religious but I got to love the spirit god gave me - I got to love the things he has shown me - I got no one else to love - although a puppy will always make me go ga ga - am I digressing? - no - there is no place to run to in this world - there is no real off the grid until you die - A beating is nothing new - and my fellows who can hear - if that is the worse that this world can do to us - we have already won and come out ahead of every dirtbag that runs this world. - the baby kong guy? well first he served five years in the state penn for attempted robbery - and then he served ten years for sex with his nieces and in the mid 90s I ran into him at a kentucky fried chicken - he was an assistant manager -- he did not recognize me in my biker costume - we were 60 miles away and 24 years down the line from where the fight had happened.

He did not recognize me with full beard and 100lbs more than I had been - he had stayed a baby kong and I had got big - I looked at him and felt sorry for him - but not real sorry - I understood he was living a pretty desperate life. likewise - if one can turn the point here on earth and just let it go - the things they do - you begin to see that even if they were to win at every point in question - what would they win? -- just another worn out place in another worn out franchise.

so ya - not to worry - and ya - if my money is going to mean nothing then better to gift people now - when it still has a bit of clout - and if those I gift don't understand how real I believe what the future holds - no matter - they were in the right place at the right time of how god works.

and again thank you for reply guys - I appreciate the responses.

[MargueriteBee]

Who knows what loving kindness people will show in times of trouble?

[Kristin]

Thank you for sharing. It's powerful to read. It's important to see where our choices are. How you conduct yourself is an important choice to make. People remember their favorite teachers, their pets, and the kindness of a stranger for the test of their lives. A person will tell stories about such things so that they live on. It impresses upon me that it's the simple acts of kindness and joy that save the world.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Crazy Louie]

Kristin you just made me have a thought - its a true enough statement for someone to say when they die the world ends. so in some ways a single person is the world and I connected with that thought when you said simple acts of kindness and joy that save the world - only I take it and think if a single person is carrying the world in them - and when they die that world ends - then your statement is true - only not in the sense of the whole world left behind after a person dies - but a single person is the world at any given moment. so yes the things you said are true - god sends spiritual manna all the time in the form of kind words or deeds from strangers and from all different directions - and these are things we can cherish. The essense of god in a troubled life - is the blessing that saves a life from being what it could have been without intervention from the spiritual realm - I had just enough good come my way that I spent my adult life trying to help others - I never forced anything on anyone - I just was there - if they were helped it was by their own understandings - of things given from inside myself in round about ways - I understand that two things were at work - a message to others who might need it - and a message to me who really needed it - so in conclusion I don't think the outcome of the whole world is all that important - its doing what its doing - but the outcome to each individual is important and hopefully what we say and do to one is then done by them to others so on and so forth. perhaps we need to forget the world and start focusing on just one person at a time - if we can do that - at least - we have indeed saved the world that lives in others.

[Octavusprime]

Well for me having some money set aside is really for the initial 1-2 days of a collapse of our society. I will use that to stock up on supplies to last the first 6+ months. That will be the hardest time IMO. Many will suffer during this time.

Giving myself some kind of edge for survival is the goal. I don't share your view that there will be biker gangs and zombies running around raping and pillaging on a grand scale. Sure there will be those types but I really do think most will not jump on that band wagon. People are driven to do drastic things when hungry but I think more people than you think will just sit back and just die. Not knowing how to find food, find water and keep warm. They will rely on the government to save them and if that help doesn't come they will be in no situation to save themselves.

I think a more important strategy is building a community. More people to hunt, forage and protect. We are a species built on working together and that will be your biggest strength during the dark times that may or may not be ahead.

Prepping just gives me a peace of mind. I will never roll over and die. Don't give into the feeling of despair. Losing hope guarantees failure.

[Snowflower]

I have lots of food stored. If we have a forest fire, I lose every speck of it. I have goats for milk, cheese, butter, meat, and skins. If they develop a disease, I could lose all the time and money I invested in them. I have a little silver - not much. If there is no place to spend it, it has no value to me. For every prep I can think of, there are probably a hundred reasons why they won't work. The split second we come into being, our death is guaranteed. In fact, one could say to all creation, "you are already dead," if you consider that time is a spiral and we are on all points of the spiral at any given moment.

So why bother? Is that your true question?

I have only one answer. Love. My love for my children and grandchildren drive me forward anyway, knowing that everything I just said is absolutely true. My love for all the denizens of the spiritual realms who reach out to me with open arms whenever I seek their solace, gives me the comfort of knowing that something I do in preparation for future chaos might be for another human I don't know and will never meet, but something I do now could save his or her life whenever. The only reason for any of it is your opportunity to express love.

[Flash]

Well for me having some money set aside is really for the initial 1-2 days of a collapse of our society. I will use that to stock up on supplies to last the first 6+ months. That will be the hardest time IMO. Many will suffer during this time.

Giving myself some kind of edge for survival is the goal. I don't share your view that there will be biker gangs and zombies running around raping and pillaging on a grand scale. Sure there will be those types but I really do think most will not jump on that band wagon. People are driven to do drastic things when hungry but I think more people than you think will just sit back and just die. Not knowing how to find food, find water and keep warm. They will rely on the government to save them and if that help doesn't come they will be in no situation to save themselves.

I think a more important strategy is building a community. More people to hunt, forage and protect. We are a species built on working together and that will be your biggest strength during the dark times that may or may not be ahead.

Prepping just gives me a peace of mind. I will never roll over and die. Don't give into the feeling of despair. Losing hope guarantees failure.

If you think people will sit on their butt and let themselves starve, you do not know the people I know. Some of them won't be gentle. Unless we are organised.

[Octavusprime]

Well for me having some money set aside is really for the initial 1-2 days of a collapse of our society. I will use that to stock up on supplies to last the first 6+ months. That will be the hardest time IMO. Many will suffer during this time.

Giving myself some kind of edge for survival is the goal. I don't share your view that there will be biker gangs and zombies running around raping and pillaging on a grand scale. Sure there will be those types but I really do think most will not jump on that band wagon. People are driven to do drastic things when hungry but I think more people than you think will just sit back and just die. Not knowing how to find food, find water and keep warm. They will rely on the government to save them and if that help doesn't come they will be in no situation to save themselves.

I think a more important strategy is building a community. More people to hunt, forage and protect. We are a species built on working together and that will be your biggest strength during the dark times that may or may not be ahead.

Prepping just gives me a peace of mind. I will never roll over and die. Don't give into the feeling of despair. Losing hope guarantees failure.

If you think people will sit on their butt and let themselves starve, you do not know the people I know. Some of them won't be gentle. Unless we are organised.

I may have overstated my sentiment. You are right that people will do what they need to do. I still don't think agree with the OP that all is hopeless and that the world will be overrun with mindless zombie cannibals coming at you from all directions. That kind of **** is straight out of Hollywood.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I still don't think agree with the OP that all is hopeless and that the world will be overrun with mindless zombie cannibals coming at you from all directions. That kind of **** is straight out of Hollywood.

Ever heard of Stalingrad, Dayaks or Papua New Guinea?

But I agree with you on some things, a lot of people will just sit around in apathy until they wither away, I have much less confidence in the average house dad with two or three kids, I can remember times when businesses where I worked hired on the last in first out principle and for some reason I was in the last in spot on two different occasions, I know I am a reliable trustworthy hard worker, they knew as well, Imagine a conversation that literally starts of with the question, "Ed, do you have any kids you have to support",... Well no, I don't, my partner and I don't have any kids, why? ", obviously they were too embarrassed to answer the "why" question and I was out on my @ss ( better me than them eh, @ssholes), same thing happened to my then partner, so people with kids can turn into quite ugly beings where they make you pay the price for their life's choices, how many times have we heard, "I'll do anything to protect my kids", well in case of a REAL emergency I wouldn't want to cross the path of a man with some hungry kids at home, imo society is not like a 100 years ago when everyone knew how to garden, understood where food comes from, the average crop takes about three/four months before its harvestable and has to be in season ( in a good year), and four months are a long long time when you are sitting around waiting for it, we are mostly city dwellers these days, dependent on a just in time delivery system and God help us when this chain breaks down, people will wake up in hours, the second they enter an empty store they WILL realize what they have done wrong by not preparing, they will know in an instant what they need to get through the day, days, week, weeks, month, months and they will stop at nothing to get it, I am not saying people will sit on the sidewalk gnawing each other thighbones in a week, but people will start considering their options really fast, Imagine people moving the countryside as refugees, lets say about two hundred million of them, thats like scorched earth tactics, the first millions eat everything they can find and everyone coming behind them will have nothing, populations have nearly tripled and people on the move to the same ( presumably) safe spot will cause a lot of problems that have to be solved instantly, animals and plants will not grow fast enough for the needs to be fulfilled, you can count on that for sure, so when/if the worst case scenario happens for whatever reason, Id hate to be in the way of some hungry dad, very likely I'll be just another competitor for the same meal in his view.

Guess who's for dinner, and whatever happens to the Bisons ah wait there a huge meat farms, yeah right, for a month maybe:(. The dominant species will be that guy with the dirty fingernails, a predatory psychopathic mindset with hunting skills ( just like now, only then they will not wear a suit), with some luck he'll like your wife just enough to keep the kids around:(, don't forget it happened just like that for many thousands of years, start your gardens now if you can, as many as you can, if everyone understands that part of the deal, we might just make it as a collective, if not, God help us all, and I'm not even in the US of A, and even we here in Europe can see that freight train hurtling towards us ( that light we see is not a savior, its a crash speeding toward us).

[Snowflower]

If you observe the behavior of humans in current crises, it can give clues about likely behavior in future collapse. It is likely not many will understand until too late that this is "the big one" and no one will be coming along to make decisions. Most people will wait for someone to do something. Most people will gather together, rather than spread out into rural areas. By the time they understand that they are on their own, most will be too weak from lack of food to get very far away from the city. So, being away from population centers, with a supply of food and water, is a bit better than giving up.

But the most important prep is knowledge. How to trap an animal (forget hunting - too inefficient use of calories), how to skin, butcher, use all parts. How to build a survivable shelter. How to make and use charcoal for water filtration, wound treatment, internal healing (if I could have only one medicine, it would be charcoal.) It is impossible for one person to learn everything and that's why community is so vital. I have books I never expect to read, but hope eventually someone in the community will learn from them.

The movie "Castaway" had a very important message: you never know what the tide will bring in. Something unplanned - good or bad- can always happen. So, you make the best plan you can make and then roll with the punches.