REVOLUTION..Vibrant/provocative interview...Russell Brand interviewed by Jeremy Paxman BBC Newsnight....

[Cidersomerset]

I saw the tlr for this earlier and just watched the full interview 11 mins on
Newsnight. At least Jeremy Paxman has given him the platform, and Russell was
not overawed and came over well imo...

NEWSNIGHT - Paxman vs Brand. Full Interview.

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Russell Brand: I've never voted, never will'

Comedian Russell Brand has told the BBC's Jeremy Paxman that he has never
voted, and he never will, as the UK's political system has created
a "disenfranchised, disillusioned underclass" that it fails to serve.

"I am not that I am not voting out of apathy. I am not voting out of absolute
indifference and weariness and exhaustion from the lies, treachery and deceit of
the political class that has been going on for generations", he added.

Speaking to Newsnight, he suggested that politicians were only interested
in "serving the needs of corporations" and that a administrative system based on
the "massive redistribution of wealth" should replace the status quo.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24648651

[ghostrider]

It has to be said , Russell is one of the most AWAKE celebrities I've ever seen , he gets it ... We need more like him in mainstream media ... He is always clear on what he thinks and says ...

[onawah]

We need a thread devoted to Russell Brand, John Stewart and Stephen Colbert of Comedy Central and the like.
Like Divine Fools :jester: throughout history, they help keep us sane and looking at life from the right perspective.

[Wind]

It's funny that when I didn't know much about him I just thought that he was another brainless celebrity, but oh boy how wrong was I!

[Robin]

It's funny that when I didn't know much about him I just thought that he was another brainless celebrity, but oh boy how wrong was I!

Ditto. I have always found him appallingly annoying in all of his films. Now that I know what he stands for I definitely appreciate him more as a person. He even acknowledges that he has contributed to the mass ignorance with the roles he has played. But he seems like quite a polite and confident character.

[Cidersomerset]

It has to be said , Russell is one of the most AWAKE celebrities I've ever seen , he gets it ... We need more like him in mainstream media ... He is always clear on what he thinks and says ...


I agree, he has experianced rock bottom, and the high life because of his
addictive personality anything he does he will throw himself into.

The last bit about Jeremies ancestor is cut from this which was quite
poignant on the tele interview especially his face in response to
Russell.




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[Cidersomerset]

http://s.huffpost.com/images/v/logos/bpage/uk.gif?31

Russell Brand Takes On Jeremy Paxman (Plus Beard) On BBC's Newsnight (VIDEO)


The Huffington Post UK | By Paul Vale Posted: 23/10/2013 22:59 BST | Updated: 24/10/2013 04:22 BST



On the back of Brand’s forthcoming guest editorship of the New Statesman, Paxo
charged in: “Who are you to edit a political magazine?”

“A man who was asked by an attractive woman,” replied the comedian and actor.
Following a rant that spanned "current paradigms", "voting practises" and "political
apathy," Brand barked across the hotel room “grow your beard”. “You are a very
trivial man,” countered Paxo, both comfortable in their cross-cultural badinage.

Brand has found a more serious edge of late, interspersing tales of shagging and
not taking drugs with pleas for a fairer world, a greener world and one in which
Associated Newspapers is mashed to a pulp.

russel brand

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Brand took on Paxo... and the established social order


“What will your revolution look like,” growled Paxo from behind said beard.

“I’ll tell you what it won’t be like,” said Brand in a moment of clarity, “a huge
disparity between rich and poor, where 300 Americans have the same amount of
wealth as the 85 million poorest Americans, where there is an exploited and
underserved underclass that are being continually ignored and where welfare is
slashed while Cameron and Osborne go to court to defend the rights of bankers to
continue to receive their bonuses. This has to be addressed.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/23/russell-brand-v-jeremy-paxman_n_4151743.html?ref=topbar

[Cidersomerset]

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Russell Brand on revolution: “We no longer have the luxury of tradition”


But before we change the world, we need to change the way we think.
By Russell Brand Published 24 October 2013 9:58

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Russell Brand asks: "Is utopian revolution possible?" Photo: Reuters/Cathal McNaughton


When I was asked to edit an issue of the New Statesman I said yes because it was
a beautiful woman asking me. I chose the subject of revolution because the New
Statesman is a political magazine and imagining the overthrow of the current
political system is the only way I can be enthused about politics.

When people talk about politics within the existing Westminster framework I feel a
dull thud in my stomach and my eyes involuntarily glaze. Like when I’m conversing
and the subject changes from me and moves on to another topic. I try to remain
engaged but behind my eyes I am adrift in immediate nostalgia; “How happy I was
earlier in this chat,” I instantly think.

I have never voted. Like most people I am utterly disenchanted by politics. Like
most people I regard politicians as frauds and liars and the current political system
as nothing more than a bureaucratic means for furthering the augmentation and
advantages of economic elites. Billy Connolly said: “Don’t vote, it encourages
them,” and, “The desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever being
one.”

I don’t vote because to me it seems like a tacit act of compliance; I know, I know
my grandparents fought in two world wars (and one World Cup) so that I’d have
the right to vote. Well, they were conned. As far as I’m concerned there is nothing
to vote for. I feel it is a far more potent political act to completely renounce the
current paradigm than to participate in even the most trivial and tokenistic manner,
by obediently X-ing a little box.

Total revolution of consciousness and our entire social, political and economic
system is what interests me, but that’s not on the ballot. Is utopian revolution
possible? The freethinking social architect Buckminster Fuller said humanity now
faces a choice: oblivion or utopia. We’re inertly ambling towards oblivion, is utopia
really an option?

I heard recently Oliver Cromwell’s address to the rump parliament in 1653 (online,
I’m not a Time Lord) where he bawls out the whole of the House of Commons
as “whores, virtueless horses and money-grabbing dicklickers”. I added the last one
but, honestly, that is the vibe. I was getting close to admiring old Oliver for
his “calls it as he sees it, balls-out” rhetoric till I read about him on Wikipedia and
learned that beyond this brilliant 8 Mile-style takedown of corrupt politicians he was
a right arsehole; starving and murdering the Irish and generally (and surprisingly
for a Roundhead) being a total square. The fact remains that if you were to recite
his speech in parliament today you’d be hard pushed to find someone who could be
legitimately offended.


Rest on link.....

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/russell-brand-on-revolution

[sian]

The last bit about Jeremies ancestor is cut from this which was quite
poignant on the tele interview especially his face in response to
Russell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKj0BpTErTY

i also agree with the point you made above, as i remember part of the original episode with Jeremy Paxman of "Who Do You Think You Are" by the BBC. wouldn't do to rattle the gage eh! (the episode in question, also not available on YouTube where many of the others in the series are)

[Soulboy]

We need a thread devoted to Russell Brand, John Stewart and Stephen Colbert of Comedy Central and the like.

Sorry, slightly off topic alert

Hi Onawah, I mean no disrespect or anything of the sort with what I'm going to say now. I honestly don't think Brand deserves being put in the same sentence as Stewart and Colbert because they are completely different from him.

I don't think Jon and Stephen are part of the solution or even helping at all. They poke fun at both parties, play the red vs blue game and it's often very funny, granted, but what they essentially do is limit the scope of what is allowed to be mentioned in public debate amongst the so-called 'Liberals' of the country (like in front of the water cooler in the office, for example), parade around such wonderful people like Greenspan and former presidents and treat them like they're honourable people to the extent where I'd call both, Jon and Stephen, cheerleaders of the system.

When Joe Sixpack watches their shows after a long hard day of whatever he does for a living, he feels informed and rebellious and like he has seen all there is to know about current events, when in fact it's just the same old rubbish that CNN is shoving down everyone's throat with an added twist of a joke on something really minor and/ or meaningless with an air of "that's how it is. There's nothing we can do about it" attitude.

These two presenters never allow the discussion where it needs to go, they ridicule conspiracy theorists and softly manipulate the masses in their TV studios that are jam-packed with dark symbolisms (pentagrams all over the place, the so-called 'statue of liberty' behind them on the screen, the 'C' of Colbert looking like an Oruboros with a snake belly illustrated by blue and white stripes and much more if you look closely and are aware of the meanings, using bright colours that are proven to disorient the human mind if used in the manner that it's done, and if all that were not bad enough, mnemonic mind control techniques are being used in their shows, much of which I would imagine they have no influence in or even knowledge of whatsoever) All I'm saying is they have a huge team of very intelligent writers doing the work for them that they then read off a teleprompter while adding bits of 'spontaneous humour' where they think of something funny, whereas Brand is really interested in human progress, needs nobody to write his jokes/ speeches and even sometimes reminds me of George Carlin at his best, etc.

People have said to me in the past that the situation in America would be far worse without these two presenters, but I strongly disagree with that. I think things would be MUCH better as debate among the slowly awakening minds would have broader limits. I can very well imagine how people, after seeing the Daily Show or the Colbert Report, find most of the views expressed on PA ridiculous or far-fetched because they're being told it's all nonsense and conspiracies dreamt up by lunatics with too much time and mental issues (this Colbert does very frequently as well as skilfully, a master manipulator, I got so annoyed with that that I eventually stopped watching him altogether) I just cannot sit through another one of their shows where they ask softball questions (which I suspect are even scripted) to the members of the so-called 'elite' and present them to their viewers like they are respectable and fine upstanding gentlemen who deserve our fullest respect and admiration for their 'service to humanity'.

Brand is in a league of his own compared to the other two, in my opinion. None of the things Brand says in this short interview would get a second's mention on the other presenters' shows, I think, at least not without ridiculing them.

OK, end of rant, haha

[sian]

if Brand gets the like of Paxman's and his following on British TV (which is quite huge, especially, in the mid fields of the population) to look outside the box then we could be in business. Paxman does not take prisoners, he's respected by many as he asks brutal questions at times, he won't give up the bone! times are changing, Paxman doesn't usually melt down as he did with Brand, gave him food for thought for sure. time will tell. :)

[Taurean]

"I don't need the right from you, I don't need the right from anybody, I'm TAKING IT." Russel Brand:

Could catch on !

[white wizard]

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This will get bigger in time.

[Artworks]

Perhaps this is he who Cliff High was waiting for as a maker in the data!

[Delight]

" Change things? Why wouldn't we? Why is that naive? Why is that not my right? Because I am (a(n) fill in the blank) actor?
I mean, I have taken the right. I don't need the right from you. I don't need the right from anybody. I'm taking it."

We have to take back our higher mind that does have it. He feels like my passionate self that knows I am cause.
He is so able to speak from the stream a flow that feels so deep and authentic. It is almost impossible to imagine it is not really speaking to the human real person in this inetrviewer and uncover his PERSON there. This is proof to me that the "take" of the right to change is in the middle of our own body and if we let it out, it will just take it's right.

[Sabrina]

Brilliant Band - making Paxman looking very faded old school with an agenda to maintain that he can hardly prop up. The old world weary cynicism won´t wash any more...

[Cidersomerset]

if Brand gets the like of Paxman's and his following on British TV (which is quite huge, especially, in the mid fields of the population) to look outside the box then we could be in business. Paxman does not take prisoners, he's respected by many as he asks brutal questions at times, he won't give up the bone! times are changing, Paxman doesn't usually melt down as he did with Brand, gave him food for thought for sure. time will tell.




Russell has been interviewed by Jeremy Paxman before
he came out so to speak. They talk about celebrity and
fame. Its a good interview in the aftermath of 'Sax gate'
an overblown carfuffle about a prank that went over
the top.

Also at the end he alludes he wants to aspire to higher
consciousness,


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[onawah]

Very good points, Soulboy.
I never looked at Stewart and Colbert from that perspective, but you may be absolutely right.
I agree that Brand is in a class of his own, and if we had someone like him broadcasting his views regularly in the US, he'd probably be silenced very quickly.
But he can take some well aimed shots the way he's doing his thing now.

The UK has Brand and Simon Parkes too.
There's hope for the Brits yet, apparently.

The viselike grip of the MSM on the minds of the American public is a lot tighter, it would seem, but hopefully it will be all the more explosive when it finally slips...



We need a thread devoted to Russell Brand, John Stewart and Stephen Colbert of Comedy Central and the like.

Sorry, slightly off topic alert

Hi Onawah, I mean no disrespect or anything of the sort with what I'm going to say now. I honestly don't think Brand deserves being put in the same sentence as Stewart and Colbert because they are completely different from him.

I don't think Jon and Stephen are part of the solution or even helping at all. They poke fun at both parties, play the red vs blue game and it's often very funny, granted, but what they essentially do is limit the scope of what is allowed to be mentioned in public debate amongst the so-called 'Liberals' of the country (like in front of the water cooler in the office, for example), parade around such wonderful people like Greenspan and former presidents and treat them like they're honourable people to the extent where I'd call both, Jon and Stephen, cheerleaders of the system.

When Joe Sixpack watches their shows after a long hard day of whatever he does for a living, he feels informed and rebellious and like he has seen all there is to know about current events, when in fact it's just the same old rubbish that CNN is shoving down everyone's throat with an added twist of a joke on something really minor and/ or meaningless with an air of "that's how it is. There's nothing we can do about it" attitude.

These two presenters never allow the discussion where it needs to go, they ridicule conspiracy theorists and softly manipulate the masses in their TV studios that are jam-packed with dark symbolisms (pentagrams all over the place, the so-called 'statue of liberty' behind them on the screen, the 'C' of Colbert looking like an Oruboros with a snake belly illustrated by blue and white stripes and much more if you look closely and are aware of the meanings, using bright colours that are proven to disorient the human mind if used in the manner that it's done, and if all that were not bad enough, mnemonic mind control techniques are being used in their shows, much of which I would imagine they have no influence in or even knowledge of whatsoever) All I'm saying is they have a huge team of very intelligent writers doing the work for them that they then read off a teleprompter while adding bits of 'spontaneous humour' where they think of something funny, whereas Brand is really interested in human progress, needs nobody to write his jokes/ speeches and even sometimes reminds me of George Carlin at his best, etc.

People have said to me in the past that the situation in America would be far worse without these two presenters, but I strongly disagree with that. I think things would be MUCH better as debate among the slowly awakening minds would have broader limits. I can very well imagine how people, after seeing the Daily Show or the Colbert Report, find most of the views expressed on PA ridiculous or far-fetched because they're being told it's all nonsense and conspiracies dreamt up by lunatics with too much time and mental issues (this Colbert does very frequently as well as skilfully, a master manipulator, I got so annoyed with that that I eventually stopped watching him altogether) I just cannot sit through another one of their shows where they ask softball questions (which I suspect are even scripted) to the members of the so-called 'elite' and present them to their viewers like they are respectable and fine upstanding gentlemen who deserve our fullest respect and admiration for their 'service to humanity'.

Brand is in a league of his own compared to the other two, in my opinion. None of the things Brand says in this short interview would get a second's mention on the other presenters' shows, I think, at least not without ridiculing them.

OK, end of rant, haha

[meat suit]

TOTALLY GREAT!
thanks for posting....

[carriellbee]

Russell should have answered "YES!!" to the question at 2:25...

I also agree with his notion of not voting. I believe that voting is useless and implies approval of the system, which is corrupt and causing great harm to the earth and all of its inhabitants.

[dianna]

Russell Brand Calls For “Massive Redistribution of Wealth”, “Socialist Egalitarianism”


Comedian Calls For Socialism, And He’s Not Joking

“The plans may differ, the planners are all alike.” -Frederic Bastiat

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Famed comedian Russell Brand has taken a step into the political sphere and become an editor at The New Statesman magazine. His new political agenda he says is a ”socialist egalitarian system” involving a “massive redistribution of wealth”, “heavy taxation of corporations”, and adds that we must address the problem of “profits”. Brand believes that governments need massive centralization, while simultaneously calling for a revolution.

Of course socialism is not revolutionary. Advocating for social safety nets and redistribution of wealth is more about risk aversion. True revolutionaries are risk-takers, and are people who are willing to take risks and accept hardships. Not so with socialism, which creates a nanny state to make decisions for the people. Socialism is central planning. It means central control of your life.

Brand will likely crush the hopes of many libertarians who see this video and have enjoyed some of his previous TV appearances talking politics. Many people were stirred by Brand’s unwillingness to bend to the narrow political spectrum that the main stream media projects. That’s refreshing no matter what your politics. But his calls for socialism and for taxation show he is clearly not a revolutionary, nor a particularly original thinker. After all, we’ve had despotism for centuries.

The only truly radical philosophy today is the one that dares to claim that individuals own their own bodies and the fruits of their labors. It is the philosophy centered on economic freedom and personal liberty. It is the philosophy of natural rights and free markets. It is classical liberalism, the true laissez-faire. THAT is revolutionary, my dear friend. Socialism would be a step back.



Brand is advocating for nothing more than legal plunder. French philosopher Frederic Bastiat once wrote on the topic: “Now, legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways. Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole—with their common aim of legal plunder—constitute socialism.”

Despite Brand’s refreshing candor and undeniable charm, his misunderstanding of the true nature of centralization of government power is unforgivable. It’s intellectually lazy and in truth, dangerous.

Communism and socialism have been responsible for the death of possibly hundreds of millions of people in eastern Europe and Asia in the last century. The butchery of despotic socialist dictators such as Adolf Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Che Guevera, Fidel Castro and Pol-Pot are historic testimonies as to the eventual endgame of the centralization of government power.

Central planning is the “The Road to Serfdom,” which means that when the government has planned everything for you for your life and you are no longer useful to the state, they will offer you their final plan.

[Cidersomerset]

Comedian & actor Russell Brand sits down with Josh to talk about his first ever
world stand-up tour, 'The Messiah Complex,' as well as his thoughts on social &
religious issues, marriage and acting. And sex. Obviously.


Originally aired on June 11, 2013


vid interview on link....Warning...Some Strong sexual content /innuendo.....

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/russell-brand-messiah-complex/51b5e78902a760779200060a

[Anchor]

Brilliant Band - making Paxman looking very faded old school with an agenda to maintain that he can hardly prop up. The old world weary cynicism won´t wash any more...


Mr and Mrs A are of the opinion that Mr Paxman was in on this deal and willingly being the rapier for Russel's foil. Very effective way to get the best out of Russel Brand and make it deliverable to a wider range of people.

[dianna]

Russell Brand isn't Waking People Up - He is Putting You Back to Sleep

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It's always amazing to me how so many people who consider themselves to be 'awake' - still consider their beliefs being stated on the mainstream by a celebrity as being a higher accolade/validation, than any other outlet/research, or even their own convictions.

Russell Brand is a pseudo-intellectual, overpaid, middle-class, media luvvie who is put out there by the BBC and the Guardian to make you forget all about Jimmy Savile and to quell your anger in a delusional state that he is 'waking others up'.

Russell Brand is put on the TV screens to placate the ones already 'awake', and to put you back to sleep in the belief that this is some kind of victory. It's isn't - it is showbiz being used as a social engineering tool yet again.

You do not need the BBC or Russell Brand to validate your convictions if you genuinely feel that strongly about them. The truth is already self-evident. No mainstream media, political or celebrity validation required.

The Jimmy Savile horror show is the ultimate weapon we have in our arsenal which we can wake people up with. The BBC knows this, and so do their owners and personal friends of Jimmy Savile, the Royal Family. So they throw you a 'truth bone' in the form of celebrity Platitude Prosac Performance in the guise of Russell Brand talking about 'revolution' when in reality it's about distraction.

Do not be bought off with this rubbish. Keep the Jimmy Savile anger raging - it is the key to bringing the whole pyramid down.

Russell Brand's image is also very 'Christ'-like and this is still a very powerful archetype people are wooed by. The Christ image was also utilised by CIA creation Jim Morrison to act as another pied piper for the anti-Vietnam War generation in the mid-late 1960's. This is the same tactic being used again - forget your anger at the system - a celebrity will fight the revolution for you on the telly...

Although the segment is being marketed as Paxman versus Brand it should be really titled: THE BBC VERSUS YOU (again...).

http://thomassheridanofficialblog.blogspot.ie/2013/10/russell-brand-isnt-waking-people-up-he.html

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[dianna]

So Now You Believe The Revolution WILL Be Televised, and by the BBC???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPmqEwu7VMU


It is more of a revolutionary act today to stop watching TV than going down to government buildings and throwing bombs. We are no longer living in the Paris Commune. Switching off the TV gives you time to think, and that makes you a very dangerous person in today's world. The Paris Commune of today is inside your consciousness. If I have one dream I would dearly love to see in my lifetime - it would be to witness the current mainstream media replaced with a grassroots version which speaks from the heart/conscience and not from Government, Religious, Civil Service, University, QUANGO and Corporate press releases.

All the ducks are now lined up in a row to make this happen. The technology is affordable. The mid-range professional film makers are finding a big audience and sponsors. Independent and small publishing is thriving. At the same time, the mainstream outlets are losing vast numbers of viewers, readers and advertisers. If we can do this. We'll have created a revolution of seismic proportions that will literally generate a new reality to replace the present one without a shot being fired. We have the talent and we have the heart. The viewers will find us in time.

Conspiracy theories exist because mainstream journalism has become a dreadful void of corporate and governmental propaganda. If mainstream journalists actually did investigative reporting rather than reprinting press releases, then there would be no hidden conspiracies to speculate theories about.

The only reason why people believe in external salvation and rescue at the hands of religions, political systems, gurus, aliens, lifestyles, a perfect relationship and material wealth is because they will do anything to not believe in themselves. Tel-Lie-Vision has been the main conduit of this engineered dysfunctionality. Ephemeral flutter is more real to them than their own sovereign soul. That's the only real thing about them and the soul doesn't need salvation from above. It already has that built-in.

Russell Brand shook the Queen's hand and he's a Revolutionary apparently now - I would of called her a 'Parasite' to her face and I'm the one being attacked by the Truthers. Very sad. Russell Brand the 'revolutionary' is no doubt talking 'Revolution' by a pool in Malibu today basking in the unconditional love of people who still don't have ****. But who are still dependent on the BBC for their opinions.

No need to wait for the BBC to throw you a Russell Brand bone now and again...you are already there if you want to be there.


http://thomassheridanofficialblog.blogspot.ie

[onawah]

Interesting points, Dianna.
Between your arguments and Soulboy's on the other thread about Brand "REVOLUTION..Vibrant/provocative interview...Russell Brand interviewed by Jeremy Paxman BBC Newsnight.... " I think I am landing somewhere in the middle, for now, but leaning more toward your views...
It will be interesting to see what happens as Brand's career takes off.
(Apologies for not providing a link for the other thread--I'm having some computer issues today.)

[onawah]

Dianna is making similar points about Brand as Soulboy made about Stewart and Colbert over on this thread:
Russell Brand May Have Started a Revolution Last Night
(Apologies for not providing a link--I'm having computer issues today.)

[avid]

Classic - someone speaks the truth and Paxman is frozen/stymied/stuffed in public at last! LOL!! Well done Russell Brand - but we really have to enact on his viable message - STILL - (as if we haven't tried already), but we must now keep at it to throw the big corporates under scrutiny, and their links to the 'banksters'. Why is the Rothschild clan now grovelling with the Yuan/Renminbi?

[Snowflower]

Perhaps this is he who Cliff High was waiting for as a maker in the data!

Yes, he is the one forecast by Clif. Clif referenced the interview today on his website as fulfillment of the language.

[Herbert]

A fundamental, common sense, and essential understanding of organic economics is that money given to the poor is always spent which creates a thriving economy. Money in the hands of the rich gets horded resulting in a sick, emotionally blocked, collapsing economy which is constantly having to be propped up.

Usury, debt slavery, unemployment, poverty, starvation are all signs of a feeble-minded system set up by village idiots who have taken the reins of power through lies and brute force not only leading to, but because of complicity, apathy, and false belief systems among a frightened populace who are conditioned to giving away their own power because they think voting and democracy makes everything o.k..

[Azt]

Although I admire Russell Brand as an actor, I do not trust much his words and intentions. I think he might be an "agent from the other side", perhaps the illuminati one ... He will place himself into all those underground movements of changes, know who is who, and infiltrate + report.

[Bill Ryan]

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Wow. :) Bumping this al the way. This is a MUST SEE interview.

A note for the non-Brits among us!

Jeremy Paxman (who was interviewing Russell Brand) is the BBC's longstanding #1 kingpin interviewer, famous for taking politicians apart and leaving them in little pieces. He's well-respected, fearless, well-informed, and very bright. He's extremely good at his job.

So watch in delight and be impressed as Russell Brand takes HIM apart. Classic, and just possibly important.

[Delight]

Perhaps this is he who Cliff High was waiting for as a maker in the data!

Yes, he is the one forecast by Clif. Clif referenced the interview today on his website as fulfillment of the language.

I would very much appreciate more on this as I have no idea what "maker" means or what Clif High said.

On Redice site there are two articles in the last day or so reviewing Brand's appearance on the "scene".
He is generating energy pro/con.Why does he excite so energy? It felt to me as if he is voicing my own interest? Is this blue beam or something?

I am just really interested in what all this about Brand means?
Personally I did not think in any interview he was saying what kind of system and asked that those much more knowledgeable than he be utilized to try something that would work as the system is broken. And as far as I am concerned, socialism is always a "title" given to various fascists states. The discussion of what is occurring in Sweden and other places is discussed on Redice and elsewhere to show that the Nanny state is available. That is NOT what I hear Brand suggesting?

[Taurean]

WoW, 3.9M views in the first 24 hrs on YouTube.

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[Snowflower]

Delight, on HalfPastHuman.com, clif high uses a software program that captures billions of words written online, and by looking for differences in the words from day to day, he analyzes unconscious psychic awareness in all humans that can tell us the trends coming in the future. He said this on Oct. 16:


Here on earth, among the humans, we are waiting for a new phenomenon to emerge that will have elements of a [cult] (emotionally), but not mentally (no religion bull**** involved), and which will arise from a [video personality] who will (according to data) [decide] to [accept personal responsibility] for the next step. This personality may appear from within the Peoples' Voice (from D. Icke), but i seriously do doubt that it will be the 'techno viking'. And no, this is not an example of the 'external savior myth', as this person is described as a [catalyst for planetary change (revolution?)]. (10/16/2013-6:25am PDT)

Then he followed up yesterday with this statement:


I'm taking that right! (the linguistics we have been awaiting, tasty morsel for gnawing...(see above)). Russel Brand taking personal responsibility. (10/24/2013) Hmmmm...now how did he (hph) do that? eh?

By the way - he didn't say whether this was a good thing or a bad thing, other than the idea that almost any change (revolution) would be better than what we have. Anyway - he just said, this is going to happen.

[Taurean]

Although I admire Russell Brand as an actor, I do not trust much his words and intentions. I think he might be an "agent from the other side", perhaps the illuminati one ... He will place himself into all those underground movements of changes, know who is who, and infiltrate + report.

TBH, I think Brand is too much of a liability to be under the perceived "control" of any body with an alternative agenda.

[ponda]

Russell Brand Calls For “Massive Redistribution of Wealth”, “Socialist Egalitarianism”


Comedian Calls For Socialism, And He’s Not Joking

“The plans may differ, the planners are all alike.” -Frederic Bastiat

http://www.redicecreations.com/ul_img/27435brand.jpg

Famed comedian Russell Brand has taken a step into the political sphere and become an editor at The New Statesman magazine. His new political agenda he says is a ”socialist egalitarian system” involving a “massive redistribution of wealth”, “heavy taxation of corporations”, and adds that we must address the problem of “profits”. Brand believes that governments need massive centralization, while simultaneously calling for a revolution.

Of course socialism is not revolutionary. Advocating for social safety nets and redistribution of wealth is more about risk aversion. True revolutionaries are risk-takers, and are people who are willing to take risks and accept hardships. Not so with socialism, which creates a nanny state to make decisions for the people. Socialism is central planning. It means central control of your life.

Brand will likely crush the hopes of many libertarians who see this video and have enjoyed some of his previous TV appearances talking politics. Many people were stirred by Brand’s unwillingness to bend to the narrow political spectrum that the main stream media projects. That’s refreshing no matter what your politics. But his calls for socialism and for taxation show he is clearly not a revolutionary, nor a particularly original thinker. After all, we’ve had despotism for centuries.

The only truly radical philosophy today is the one that dares to claim that individuals own their own bodies and the fruits of their labors. It is the philosophy centered on economic freedom and personal liberty. It is the philosophy of natural rights and free markets. It is classical liberalism, the true laissez-faire. THAT is revolutionary, my dear friend. Socialism would be a step back.



Brand is advocating for nothing more than legal plunder. French philosopher Frederic Bastiat once wrote on the topic: “Now, legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways. Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole—with their common aim of legal plunder—constitute socialism.”

Despite Brand’s refreshing candor and undeniable charm, his misunderstanding of the true nature of centralization of government power is unforgivable. It’s intellectually lazy and in truth, dangerous.

Communism and socialism have been responsible for the death of possibly hundreds of millions of people in eastern Europe and Asia in the last century. The butchery of despotic socialist dictators such as Adolf Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Che Guevera, Fidel Castro and Pol-Pot are historic testimonies as to the eventual endgame of the centralization of government power.

Central planning is the “The Road to Serfdom,” which means that when the government has planned everything for you for your life and you are no longer useful to the state, they will offer you their final plan.



Well he did say during the interview that there were better qualified people than himself with alternative ideas on how things could work and how the political system could be improved.I didn't hear 'central planning' mentioned.I would say that he is trying to make more people aware that change is needed and not exactly what that change might be.

[Delight]

Delight, on HalfPastHuman.com, clif high uses a software program that captures billions of words written online, and by looking for differences in the words from day to day, he analyzes unconscious psychic awareness in all humans that can tell us the trends coming in the future. He said this on Oct. 16:


Here on earth, among the humans, we are waiting for a new phenomenon to emerge that will have elements of a [cult] (emotionally), but not mentally (no religion bull**** involved), and which will arise from a [video personality] who will (according to data) [decide] to [accept personal responsibility] for the next step. This personality may appear from within the Peoples' Voice (from D. Icke), but i seriously do doubt that it will be the 'techno viking'. And no, this is not an example of the 'external savior myth', as this person is described as a [catalyst for planetary change (revolution?)]. (10/16/2013-6:25am PDT)

Then he followed up yesterday with this statement:


I'm taking that right! (the linguistics we have been awaiting, tasty morsel for gnawing...(see above)). Russel Brand taking personal responsibility. (10/24/2013) Hmmmm...now how did he (hph) do that? eh?

I read that Clif High views this as an excitement of Mental clarity in the collective mind?

Russell Brand sounds like a high mental excitemnet that the solar energies seem to be bringing me. Yes, i am thinking abut things that I "believe" are valuable and I feel a wave of Joy when I think on these things.

When I hear Russell Brand, I trust that He speaks from this place.
I feel a gushing appreciation of the opportunity to listen.

I have been wondering if there is a mental wave that travels along goodness pathways that is more available. Hearing him, not just the words seems it could be a high note. But it sweeps down into practicality of vision It seems feels "sound", grounded, yet, from a place of larger context comprehending softer and able to observe. It holds most light hearted and irreverent treatment. It feels truthful from a human point of view. I may be mistaken but i felt him reach the heart level in the interview and point out to the interviewer his own lineage sadness for the way people have been dealt by the broken social collective treatment.

[Delight]

Russell Brand Calls For “Massive Redistribution of Wealth”, “Socialist Egalitarianism”


Comedian Calls For Socialism, And He’s Not Joking

“The plans may differ, the planners are all alike.” -Frederic Bastiat

http://www.redicecreations.com/ul_img/27435brand.jpg

The only truly radical philosophy today is the one that dares to claim that individuals own their own bodies and the fruits of their labors. It is the philosophy centered on economic freedom and personal liberty. It is the philosophy of natural rights and free markets. It is classical liberalism, the true laissez-faire. THAT is revolutionary, my dear friend. Socialism would be a step back.



Well he did say during the interview that there were better qualified people than himself with alternative ideas on how things could work and how the political system could be improved.I didn't hear 'central planning' mentioned.I would say that he is trying to make more people aware that change is needed and not exactly what that change might be.

I feel very strongly about this right to ownership over one's body. In fact, I feel that this issue of the body is about the most exciting issue in my thoughts.

And the right to the fruits of one's labor! In fact, what we could do is substitute energy for "labor".

[Azt]

Just one example to back up my previous post ...

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[Delight]

I think there be a chance that Russell Brand is bringing a level of mind that can help people know more about what they desire.

Three Magic Words has a section about Universal Mind. Kelly Howell made a CD of it. This has the text. The text is an excellent one.

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Here is a link to the pdf on our forum

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF&p=82737&viewfull=1#post82737

I acknowledge that there is the probability that no matter how it is happening, Universal Mind is bringing in guidance for our earthly experience as humans.

[Debra]

The thrust - and the most important statement IMO that Brand gives in this interview - is that politics, politicians and governments in all their incumbent manifestations are a total farce.

I don't vote either Russell. It is an insult to my intelligence.

Governments don't represent people, they are run by corporations and are merely small wings of the corporations that are raping the earth and all sentient life. As for the push to devalue or define Brand's message as weighing heavily in with socialism - so what! Who can argue with those foundational values? And that is what he is marking off. Not the twisted versions that have unfortunately been allowed to fester and be appropriated as a convenient tool by TPTB.

Thanks humbly for reading me today Av Cats ;) Like I do outside here, I am standing in the middle of the fire and calling BS for what it is.

No shame, no going back now! Woohoo

[Debra]

edit: *laughing* I forgot about the language nanny! That's just cracking me up. :D



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Good morning Starshine xxxx

[norman]

Prince Brand had better learn fast from Princess Diana.

[Mike]

I'm really inspired by Brand's energy. He used to annoy me to no end, but I've slowly become a fan - there's a certain genius in his dealings with people. There's no denying it. He's got every pitch: fastball, curve ball, slider...and they're all right at the tip of his tongue, hot n ready to be delivered. With his energy alone he dominates space...and he controls dialogue simply by changing characters, from funny to serious, indignant to apathetic etc - he's a master at keeping you off balance. I wish he were a member here. He'd be awesome, and I'd love to spar with him a little!

This interview demonstrates what I've always secretly felt, and that is this: humor, or " facetiousness" as it is referred to here, is a wonderful weapon against the establishment. It clearly dumbfounded the interviewer. If you notice his body language, it wasn't long before he assumed a posture of defeat. This one was over before it even began. This type of off-speed humor confounds these types, and they are powerless against it. It renders their line of questioning silly by exposing it as pointless and backwards.

[ghostrider]

He says things that we all feel in our hearts , knowing there must be better way, a better day , and if it's going to happen , if it's going to change , it is up to US to do it ... the old system will just keep doing as it does unless WE change it ... the media types don't quite know how to handle someone that is real and honest and speaks their mind and their truth with real passion ...

[onawah]

After weighing the evidence, I'm swinging back in favor of Brand.
Dianna compared him to Jim Morrison, but I think Brand is more than angry and rebellious, he's passionate and sincere, and he's willing to go out on a limb.
I don't think he's a tool, but for that reason, I think we need to pray for him and keep him protected in the Light.

[Hazel]

To me, this and the previous Brand interview with Paxton belies 'the devils advocate' in action for the optimum representation and presentation of the material being 'Brand-ished'..

me thinks they are actually on the same page...

a highly effective duo

[Anchor]

Just one example to back up my previous post ...

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That video is a good example of manipulation. The suggestion is planted at the beginning and then some blurry footage is shown that is supposed to support what is said. I do not agree that Russell was shown doing anything extra-ordinary to manipulate Ms Perry.

I'm not buying it. I have no doubt that Russell Brand will have "Illuminati" people trying to get close to him and attempt to control and discredit what he does. It seems to me that this video is another example.

[panopticon]

Thank you for presenting this interview.

Brand makes an effort to deconstruct the present system by pointing out some of its problems (of which there are many).

When pressed he says what he doesn't want a new system to look like. This is usual for someone who is either introducing new material to an audience or entering into a new way of thinking and trying to find their position. He understands how the present system favours familial and social ties and how networks operate. I also think it was useful him pointing out the links between corporations and politics. Many people try to not connect them and his mentioning of it is credibly giving voice to it for a younger audience who are not engaged with this very dry material.

When he was pressed for what his idea of a new society would look like he tried to avoid it because I don't think he has worked out many details himself as of yet. He knows something isn't right but he may still be searching for ways to fix the many delicately inter-related problems. He indicated this during the interview when he said he would be consulting with people who knew more about this than he did. He got my interest with that because usually people (especially celebrities) say "I have the answer" at which point I inevitably turn off because they don't.

One point I would like to applaud was how he showed he definitely wasn't interested in a large centralised system. At one point he indicated a bureaucracy to handle allocation of resources and services but that the bureaucrats would not have any power themselves (though they would of course have to have some limited power due to their handling of resources and services, bit of a catch-22 there). This is an important difference to Communist and Fascist socialist systems because they wish to centralise control and power within their hands. The basis of a purely capitalist system is the centralisation of control and power via resources and services so I find arguments in favour of it fallacious (yes I know that isn't the idea, but in reality that is the end effect).

My main worry in designing a new system is the centralisation of control in the Corporate Nation-State with the limiting of grass-root participation, organisation, governance and feed-back. It is very difficult to design a new system in which centralisation doesn't occur on a large scale. I hope in time he comes across some of the anarcho-socialist writers and theorists who encourage a decentralised system of governance with a distributed or semi-decentralised process of resource distribution and service provisioning.

All in all an interesting interview that may plant a seed in the minds of the young and get those not presently interested engaged in the future creation of a more egalitarian society.

[Dorjezigzag]

The title of this thread really interested me.

Sometimes when I drink a bit I kind of get taken over by something, or perhaps I become more my self, and on one particular occasion a few years ago at a dinner party with about 10 people I started going on about how Russell Brand was going to by a vehicle for change in our society. I would not let it go and kept on going on about it and the reasons. I think I embarrassed my girlfriend a little bit.

Laterly, in Jan 2012, I actually did a thread on Avalon when I asked

Russell Brand: Part of the change? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38593-Russell-Brand-Part-of-the-change)

The way things are panning out it really seems to be manifesting, funny thing is my girlfriend actually got to know Russel brand and she got invited to a preview of one of his Messiah complex shows, he listened to feedback from all sorts of people.

He definitely is an oddball (aren't we all?) and is always challenging taboos, but he has a huge heart and really does follow the adage of treat other people as you would expect to be treated yourself. He does not look down on anyone, he is on the level with everyone, he is of the people.

He is for real. He is a figure that gives me real hope and I thank Russell for that.

Although he needs to keep his feet on the ground cause I don't want him to get a real Messiah complex;)

[Soul Safari]

Just read this quote about Brand LOVE IT!

He is one of the few people on this planet whose brain is connected to his tongue and his heart, without doubt he is a very rare and unique ''BRAND''

[Sunny-side-up]

Brilliant Band - making Paxman looking very faded old school with an agenda to maintain that he can hardly prop up. The old world weary cynicism won´t wash any more...


Mr and Mrs A are of the opinion that Mr Paxman was in on this deal and willingly being the rapier for Russel's foil. Very effective way to get the best out of Russel Brand and make it deliverable to a wider range of people.

Yes I agree Anchor Mr Band needs to be heard, wants to be heard, he is awake, he is in tune and should be heard, he is going to be heard, Hats off to him big time, Great interview!
Yes I agree Anchor Mr Paxman was in on the whole idea of change and bit the bullet for the cause! Hats off to him big time, Great interview!
Brilliant :wizard:

PS the interview/vid, the content, the context, the passion of Brand and his views made me swell up and bust out in tears.

[Kristin]

This is a heart warming meeting between Russell and the Dalai Lama. This also shows that Russell knows when to be silent and respectful as well, in case you were wondering. The Dalai Lama tells a personal story straight from his heart about feeling like a prisoner in the past and wanting to be free instead of a lama. Incredible and thought provoking. Russel is so easy going that they easily joke and entertain each other. Enjoy.

From the Heart,
Kristin


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en9yNEkU5kU

[Jean-Luc]

Pretty brilliant & genuine guy.

First got to know him through Alex Jones' interview last August

-FOeNNJ-oSQ

[Kimberley]

Just for the record there is another thread on this that was started before this one....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64719-REVOLUTION..Vibrant-provocative-interview...Russell-Brand-interviewed-by-Jeremy-Paxman-BBC-Newsnight....&p=748102#post748102

[Ecnal61]

praise the lord for russell brand,i mean apart from the fact that he is a west ham fan everything he said had me punching the air and shouting "right on russ". what a brilliant interview..russell brand for prime minister.

[Kalamos]

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[Billy]

Somewhere in the past i heard that one of Russell's favorite forums was Avalon. That he was one of the watchers.

Maybe not true but if you are watching Russell how about you and Bill having a video interview. You may help take out some painful splinters from some peoples eyes.

Peace

[eaglespirit]

Somewhere in the past i heard that one of Russell's favorite forums was Avalon. That he was one of the watchers.

Maybe not true but if you are watching Russell how about you and Bill having a video interview. You may help take out some painful splinters from some peoples eyes.

Peace

Right On...persuade a good chunk of good folks to step up to their own personal higher ways and means to help change the ways and means...forever and ever, amen!

[Delight]

Pretty brilliant & genuine guy.

First got to know him through Alex Jones' interview last August

-FOeNNJ-oSQ

Again, it was invoked by Alex Jones and his whole staff that RB is exciting. He is definitely writing in the "cultural narrative". The way he is well connected as was said another place...brain+heart+tongue makes his words resound.

Alex Jones says RB is able to crack the collective spell of narcissism and shake people up. He is Coyote, THE TRICKSTER human!!![COLOR="red"]

[Bill Ryan]

Somewhere in the past i heard that one of Russell's favorite forums was Avalon. That he was one of the watchers.

Maybe not true but if you are watching Russell how about you and Bill having a video interview. You may help take out some painful splinters from some peoples eyes.

Peace


We have one or two celebs here as members (invisible to all, under quiet pseudonyms, rarely posting) -- but as best I know, Russell Brand isn't one of them.

I'd love to see if you can find out more. Yes, an interview with Russell is one of the few I'd be very happy to do. Would be a lot of fun, and maybe very valuable. I could even maybe combine it with one of the other celebs as well... that could be quite something, if all would be willing to play.

:)

And Russell, if you're reading this, write to me at bill@projectavalon.net! Everything there is seen by myself only.

[gripreaper]

This interview demonstrates what I've always secretly felt, and that is this: humor, or " facetiousness" as it is referred to here, is a wonderful weapon against the establishment. It clearly dumbfounded the interviewer. If you notice his body language, it wasn't long before he assumed a posture of defeat. This one was over before it even began. This type of off-speed humor confounds these types, and they are powerless against it. It renders their line of questioning silly by exposing it as pointless and backwards.

And make it irreverent humor, using analogies which point out the absurdities of the viewpoint. It's time to up the dialogue and break the sacred paradigms of the corporatocracy which we all support. The old: "If you don't like the way the politicians are running things, then go vote them out of office" is so absurd, it needs to be pointed out that they are just different sides of the same coin, a revolving door of pre-selected, bought off, self serving narcissists all cut from the same cloth with just different color shirts on.

If he reaches those who are still glued to the telly, then its all good.

[christian]

Russell is really a bright light in a very homogenized media. I very much appreciate his efforts, even though he unfortunately demands higher taxes and redistribution of wealth. I think the core problem is not the distribution but the freedom to create money, things, our own lives. We gotta abolish the fascist system, charge the robber barons for their crimes, and not blame capitalism which doesn't even exist at the moment. Let's just be free.

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Russell surely acts as a catalyst, shaking people up. I think he's absolutely on the good side. I hope he'll learn a bit more about politics, capitalism, socialism, freedom, responsibility, the creation of money and currencies, and all the rest. :)

[Delight]

This interview demonstrates what I've always secretly felt, and that is this: humor, or " facetiousness" as it is referred to here, is a wonderful weapon against the establishment. It clearly dumbfounded the interviewer. If you notice his body language, it wasn't long before he assumed a posture of defeat. This one was over before it even began. This type of off-speed humor confounds these types, and they are powerless against it. It renders their line of questioning silly by exposing it as pointless and backwards.

And make it irreverent humor, using analogies which point out the absurdities of the viewpoint. It's time to up the dialogue and break the sacred paradigms of the corporatocracy which we all support. The old: "If you don't like the way the politicians are running things, then go vote them out of office" is so absurd, it needs to be pointed out that they are just different sides of the same coin, a revolving door of pre-selected, bought off, self serving narcissists all cut from the same cloth with just different color shirts on.

If he reaches those who are still glued to the telly, then its all good.

I had a quite unusual download early in the summer that took my life, my inner ideals, personality characters and my dreams and talked to me in a fairly simplistic story. The amazing part of this narrative that I posted because it came to me posting was that it "came to me" in a flow and tole me the story. Since then the characters have still spoken to me and I have actually been able to turn to them for a sense of their support and it strengthened me.

I have to post this here because this was part of the story that I believe I was foreshadowing as Russell Brand's influence. I encourage the decision to write one's own story... The story as we desire to see it. From my experience this summer, I see the meaning of the story will then appear.


Coyote had been contemplating the project Grandmother had suggested. He was invited to go to the Borderland in disguise. He was to look for Hu Mans with sentient capability and provoke them if necessary to realize Self Awareness means something and leads home. Hopefully they would reflect on this value and the introspection make them amenable to following GAIA's whispers. It was a long shot but worth trying. Even if a few cleared the static with his help, that was beneficial

Coyote was not sure what criteria he would use to discern Hu Man Sentience. He decided to use himself as an example of what sentient Hu Mans might look like. Didn't Grandmother say he had a similar perspective?

He made a list of a few possible characteristics based on his own traits. He knocked on the back door and asked Megan to help decide where the people with these traits might be found.

1. Knows how to laugh at oneself
2. Asks difficult questions others never thought to ask.
3. Says things others are too afraid to say.
4. Prefers the opposite of what is expected
5. Begins with answers and ends with questions
6. Likes to make a mess but not clean it up
7. Knows the art of self sabotage
8. tricks others into doing the opposite of what they wanted to do

Megan looked at it and said, “From what I see and what I read, there are mystics, addicts, outlaws, comedians, clowns, grifters, philosophers, saints and sociopaths on this list”. I believe you will find all these people at the mall. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59748-Corroborating-reality-bubbles-is-tricky&p=691411&viewfull=1#post691411
.

[gripreaper]

I very much appreciate his efforts, even though he unfortunately demands higher taxes and redistribution of wealth

Well, his heroes all came from the paradigm of scarcity, which is the largest social meme which keeps people in line. Many advocate working from within the existing system and dismantling it in pieces, but to me, that will not work because the tendency for change to revert back to the mean is so strong, and we are creatures of comfort, thus...no change can occur if we remain within the existing paradigm of scarcity.

So, the idea of the 1% stealing all the wealth of the planet by desecrating and exploiting the masses is not the only point. The point is that the energy signature of the dumbing down of the collective to automatron robotic slaves needs to be pointed out and exposed, as most people do not even know that they are hypnotized by this mind control and are vastly asleep at the wheel.

Then, to steal back from the narcissistic controllers that which they stole from the masses and redistribute resources only perpetuates the paradigm of scarcity by setting up a body which determines what is fair and equitable based on parameters of some sort of moral imperative shrouded in a meme of caring and spirituality or some such control meme which hasn't been developed yet.

Russell is on the right track but has not had his "dark night of the soul" from what I can tell and is not touching the TWO main taboo subjects. The Federal Reserve and exposing who these elite are who took down the twin towers and who exploit the masses and run the memes which keep the frequency low. We'll see if he can keep his energy above these narcissists and stay out of a pine box six feet under.

Bill Hicks and George Carlin were true comedians for social change. Click on the you tube link in my signature line. Classic compilation of Hicks and Carlin.

[Mike]

Russell Brand Calls For “Massive Redistribution of Wealth”, “Socialist Egalitarianism”


Comedian Calls For Socialism, And He’s Not Joking

“The plans may differ, the planners are all alike.” -Frederic Bastiat

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Famed comedian Russell Brand has taken a step into the political sphere and become an editor at The New Statesman magazine. His new political agenda he says is a ”socialist egalitarian system” involving a “massive redistribution of wealth”, “heavy taxation of corporations”, and adds that we must address the problem of “profits”. Brand believes that governments need massive centralization, while simultaneously calling for a revolution.

Of course socialism is not revolutionary. Advocating for social safety nets and redistribution of wealth is more about risk aversion. True revolutionaries are risk-takers, and are people who are willing to take risks and accept hardships. Not so with socialism, which creates a nanny state to make decisions for the people. Socialism is central planning. It means central control of your life.

Brand will likely crush the hopes of many libertarians who see this video and have enjoyed some of his previous TV appearances talking politics. Many people were stirred by Brand’s unwillingness to bend to the narrow political spectrum that the main stream media projects. That’s refreshing no matter what your politics. But his calls for socialism and for taxation show he is clearly not a revolutionary, nor a particularly original thinker. After all, we’ve had despotism for centuries.

The only truly radical philosophy today is the one that dares to claim that individuals own their own bodies and the fruits of their labors. It is the philosophy centered on economic freedom and personal liberty. It is the philosophy of natural rights and free markets. It is classical liberalism, the true laissez-faire. THAT is revolutionary, my dear friend. Socialism would be a step back.



Brand is advocating for nothing more than legal plunder. French philosopher Frederic Bastiat once wrote on the topic: “Now, legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways. Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole—with their common aim of legal plunder—constitute socialism.”

Despite Brand’s refreshing candor and undeniable charm, his misunderstanding of the true nature of centralization of government power is unforgivable. It’s intellectually lazy and in truth, dangerous.

Communism and socialism have been responsible for the death of possibly hundreds of millions of people in eastern Europe and Asia in the last century. The butchery of despotic socialist dictators such as Adolf Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Che Guevera, Fidel Castro and Pol-Pot are historic testimonies as to the eventual endgame of the centralization of government power.

Central planning is the “The Road to Serfdom,” which means that when the government has planned everything for you for your life and you are no longer useful to the state, they will offer you their final plan.




condescending and semantically manipulated, this piece is worthy of fox news (the no spin zone!;))

first off, it assumes that all is as it seems. and how does one argue or debate with with another who is completely ignorant of what's going on behind the veil? the only appropriate response really, is humor, or sarcasm. the issue with this interview (and taking apart this article) is that one has to speak the language of the current societal matrix to do it (ie "isms" "ists" "republican" "democrat" etc). i'd love to see these political pundits write or argue their points without using these nuance-deficient and erroneously all-encompassing terms.

everything being relative, in what many think of as a capitalist system, socialism is indeed revolutionary! if you want to talk about "risk aversion", perhaps we should also refer to the wealthy here in America monopolizing the lion's share of the wealth and resources. risk aversion indeed! lets not risk allowing the poor and working class a shot at financial security! typical of our Orwellian pundits, he applies an incendiary, misleading label to something that would likely benefit the entire country. if redistributing the wealth means we're all gonna have a few more bucks in our pocket, why don't we call it "responsibly caring for our less fortunate citizens"? yeah, I like that better.

as Guevara said, those that blindly buy into the idea of capitalism are usually totally unawares of the invisible forces that prevent them from living the "American dream". capitalism has erroneously been associated with the proud, self-made man; and the idea of socialism has been perverted into this idea that we're all a bunch of helpless infants who need our sh!tty diapers changed by the government. look, i'm in a public library right now. that means it's free! I can use the computer and rent movies and cd's for *no charge*. guys, this is socialism. 'free' is a good thing! or would you all rather pay out of pocket like "proud" "self-made" Americans?

socialism/redistribution of wealth doesn't mean "control of your life". quite the contrary, you'll have never had more freedom! with your newly padded pockets, a trip to the grocery store or a night at the movies will no longer represent the crushing burden it used to be. the author, not surprisingly, very Orwellian-ly refers to this as "legal plunder", which is supposed to carry negative connotations. but plunder of whom, in this instance? why the 1% of course. plunder away then! i'm all for it! I don't care what you call it!

going back to Che, he famously said that a true revolutionary's greatest quality is one of love - love of fairness, equality, and humanity. the true revolutionary does whatever is necessary, whether it's firing a rifle or cooking a meal. a true revolutionary does what he does and advocates what he advocates for the sake of the whole, for the betterment of everybody - not just a select, elite few. which leaves only one pertinent question we should all be asking ourselves: does the current paradigm do the same? provide for the whole? the betterment of everyone? it's simple math (at least here in the US): we have the 1%, and we have the 99%. pretty simple. endless and eloquent talk of "ists" and "isms" cannot change the facts. it will not change who the real despots are.

[Kristin]

Thinking out of the box here; perhaps it has never really been about Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Democracy, Totalitarianism.... etc. Perhaps not one system of governing has ever really worked because of the corrupt people that run them, period. Perhaps it's the term "Governing" that is the bitter pill. "Serving" is the correct term. As in "Public Service".

You know, I would rather live in a monarchy if the monarch was a person who dedicated her/his life to serving the people. Any system could work if it was run by non corrupt folks who were in it for the good of humanity. A non corrupt system would be self correcting by it's very nature; the fine nature of the people participating. Perhaps a test should be issued to psychologically see if a person is a psychopath before they are allowed to take office. We could at least administer a lie detector test to see if a person was actually to keep their campaign promises.

It's never going to work if we have people driven by personal greed in positions of power. All systems are flawed due to this. I'm glad Russell has given himself, and others by proxy, permission to speak about what ails them. Stirring the hornet's nest is a healthy thing considering the dismal psychopathic governance that everyone finds themselves being subjected to.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[ceetee9]

I don't know anything about Russell Brand or this BBC stooge, Paxman, but since when was voting a requirement to have any "authority" to talk about politics? I mean, look at the millions of Americans who continue to vote for the politicians who pledge their allegiance to the Oligarchy that is systematically destroying this country and planet and keeping us in perpetual wars. If that demonstrates the qualifications for intelligent political decision making wasn't so pathetic it would be laughable.

[Jean-Luc]

Some food for thought, words of caution, and... hints for an interview (many questions asked).




Re-Branding Revolution


http://www.sott.net/article/267983-Re-Branding-Revolution
Lisa Guliani
Sott.net
Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:26 CDT
Okay, Russell Brand: Yep, you're saying lots of stuff people want to hear. (Just like every single other politician, btw.)

And yeah, you're 'one of us' (Just like every politician that's come galloping across the hero horizon over the years, btw.)

But, I am reminded of something this other comedian said way back when:




"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."

George Carlin

And so I have to ask, 'cuz I'm annoying that way, why it is you're being granted the opportunities to so openly articulate your political views in mass media venues. Curious, that is. Considering that you're not really espousing any point of view that hasn't already been articulated before, and usually for the purposes of perception management and manipulation, by the way, I guess I am just having this little 'inner niggling' about what your purpose is, Russell.

Because society is way dumber than it used to be, by all appearances.

The public, by and large, seems pretty damn (how shall I put this delicately) 'suggestible'. Put much less delicately: easily suckered, conned, taken for a f*cking ride.

So what kind of 'revolution' do you suppose you are 'starting', Russell, if the majority of society has been dumbed down?

A revolution of mass idiocy? (Sorry, tact has once again eluded me.)

How do you suppose, and I'm not demanding any 'solutions' from you, Russell, I'm just wondering: How would you see, if you could, a 'revolution' unfolding? How would it play out in your mind?

And I wonder, for what reason is mainstream media allowing you to make such politically incorrect statements? What do they stand to gain, other than the obvious, since you, Russell, are 'trending' right now?

I guess since so many others have come and gone before you, basically saying the same things you're saying now, and have been assassinated, ignored, shunned, blackballed and defamed for saying the things you're saying, and certainly denied public access in the ways you've been granted, it just gives me pause, ya know?

And then I'm reminded of the provocateurs in the 'freedom' movement here in the U.S., and how they've tried and continue to try to incite people to engage in potentially violent, dangerous, disadvantageous, and most likely unworkable tactics - and again, I have to ask, what's your story, Russell? What's really going on here?

Because, as I've learned over the years, the ones who are really hitting the nerve, really striking the root, are being slapped with audits, lawsuits, and denied the very public access you now enjoy - and they have been singing a very similar tune.

I hate to say this, Russell, because a part of me wants to buy into you and what you're selling, it really does. But there's this whole other part of me that is compelled to question what precisely it is you're selling - and for whom.

And since revolutions have been mostly ineffective throughout history - co-opted, controlled, subverted, dissolved from within, even financed by the enemy - ya know, essentially taken over and morphed into this 'controlled opposition' sort of thing just like lots of dissident groups, the alternative media, etc...

Well, it makes me wonder what you think will be accomplished by inciting the public, a public that for the most part, doesn't seem to possess even a so-so awareness of what the hell is really going on in this world, in their own government at any level, in their church, education system, their neighborhoods, etc... or, for that matter, seem to CARE enough about what's wrong with any of the above enough to actually pull their heads from the glue-sniffer or out from in front of their TVs long enough to inform themselves about what's going on, or what underlies that, or what things they can do about any of it.

Are you suggesting that the most suggestible among us should engage in a revolution? What the hell would that look like, I'm almost afraid to ask.

I don't know, Russell. In the U.S., we've still got our hands full just trying to get the mass majority to grok that there's little, if any difference between the 'Reds' and the 'Blues', because they essentially all work for the same elitist psychopaths.

I notice you aren't using that word, Russell. 'Psychopath.'

It's an important word, ya know. [my emphasis]

I wonder in which direction your career would travel if you started adding that word to your revolution-themed political perspectives, and if your access to mass media platforms would be impacted at all.

That would be very interesting to see. Maybe you should try it.

It'd be very refreshing if you turn out to be the real deal, but I can't help but wonder, as that familiar niggling feeling comes over me.

Some might call it deja vu.


Lisa Guliani

Lisa Guliani is a former internet-based political talk show host, political writer, researcher, activist, conscientious objector, "known protester', and self-described thought provocateur. When she's not engaged in some odd combination of the above, she's handing out smiles to the elderly, and also enjoys reading, music, cracking jokes, and hanging out with her buddy, Goose, who has yet to realize he's a dog. Her favorite sections of SOTT?

It's a three-way tie: Secret History, Puppet Masters and Society's Child.



Just a as pointed out by Kristin here:


Perhaps a test should be issued to psychologically see if a person is a psychopath before they are allowed to take office.

[Mike]

Thinking out of the box here; perhaps it has never really been about Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Democracy, Totalitarianism.... etc. Perhaps not one system of governing has ever really worked because of the corrupt people that run them, period. Perhaps it's the term "Governing" that is the bitter pill. "Serving" is the correct term. As in "Public Service".

You know, I would rather live in a monarchy if the monarch was a person who dedicated her/his life to serving the people. Any system could work if it was run by non corrupt folks who were in it for the good of humanity. A non corrupt system would be self correcting by it's very nature; the fine nature of the people participating. Perhaps a test should be issued to psychologically see if a person is a psychopath before they are allowed to take office. We could at least administer a lie detector test to see if a person was actually to keep their campaign promises.

It's never going to work if we have people driven by personal greed in positions of power. All systems are flawed due to this. I'm glad Russell has given himself, and others by proxy, permission to speak about what ails them. Stirring the hornet's nest is a healthy thing considering the dismal psychopathic governance that everyone finds themselves being subjected to.

From the Heart,
Kristin


hit the nail on the head there Kristin:) perfectly put!

meanwhile, while the human race is evolving to the point you described, we unfortunately require these "systems" to legislate morality and behavior. I mean, you can't really legislate morality at the end of the day, but i'm glad we have prisons...if ya know what I mean;)

Ive always felt it was the mark of an extremely unevolved society to place commerce above moral responsibility. I don't really think that makes me a "socialist"; I like to think it makes me a decent human being. and that's all we need really. not hero's or eccentric, charismatic leaders, or various systems of thought; we just need more decent human beings.

great post Kristin!:cheers:

[eaglespirit]

... we just need more decent human beings.

great post Kristin!:cheers:

Stepping up and into action in their personal lives now more than ever...
doing what they are called to do from within and bringing it to fruition in the now in their own unique ways!
Each and every selfless move moves the whole of humanity to a higher place as never before in our experience here!
imho

[Kristin]

I does not seem to me that Russell is selling anything, just being himself and speaking his mind. The idea that he is selling is due to a social construct. The fact that he has some celebrity, and not that much I may add, automatically places him into the assumption that he is playing a game. That is how far we have come in losing our trust of everyone in society. We always assume that a person is on the take, we would not know genuine person if it hit us right between the nose or in this case in the belly.

We are afraid of revolution and chaos, rightfully so. It's generally messy and people die. We all know that people are so beyond being unified that any sort of revolution would create this. This makes us very afraid to start one. We all want to know who would be in control and further, who will step up to grab control when the chaos subsides. These are good questions and ones that people should be on vigil for. We do have a number of Mahatma Gandhi type leaders in this world NOW, but no one is listening to them. Not in any sort of unified way. I agree that this is going to be a mess no matter which way you turn it, UNLESS PEOPLE SUDDENLY BECOME EDUCATED AND PRACTICE NON-VIOLENCE. But change will happen regardless.

Remember the saying: "What if there was a war and no one showed up?" It's a powerful image. But we have been trained to think that this type of social change, non violent, is from a past revolution that did not work. We have been fed the idea that people who participated in that level of social change were not organized, sold out to money, and have polluted the planet. We have been fed and have swallowed the idea that we are hopeless. This type of thinking is more dangerous then a revolution.

Now we are swallowing the idea that change in itself is dangerous. That saying yes to our own slavery is not right, but it's safe. Yes, we are on the edge of something and not knowing what will happen is frightening. I am not foolish enough personally to expect all the answers from a stand up comic named Russell. I am taking my own responsibility personally. I hear Russell asking that we all do the same. I also hear him asking us not to take his right to express himself and his own discontent away from him... no I got that wrong, he is demanding that we recognize that it is his right and he does not need to ask our permission. Nor do you or I.

The unknown is scary, but we have to grow up someday and hopefully we make choices that we can all live with.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Delight]

looking at this video, one can get a sense of Russell Brand's personal priorities

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[christian]

look, i'm in a public library right now. that means it's free! I can use the computer and rent movies and cd's for *no charge*. guys, this is socialism. 'free' is a good thing!

The state doesn't own anything in the first place. It can't give out anything "for free" which has not been taken away from someone, usually rather covertly and with threat of force. Later the state hands it out with a gesture of grandeur. Your free ride in the public library is paid for by yourself, at a very high price I figure.


socialism/redistribution of wealth doesn't mean "control of your life". quite the contrary, you'll have never had more freedom! with your newly padded pockets, a trip to the grocery store or a night at the movies will no longer represent the crushing burden it used to be. the author, not surprisingly, very Orwellian-ly refers to this as "legal plunder", which is supposed to carry negative connotations. but plunder of whom, in this instance? why the 1% of course. plunder away then! i'm all for it! I don't care what you call it!

Historically, the most plundered people in Socialism are from the (former) middle class. Even if the current robber barons would be plundered, most probably we would quickly end up with a new set of megalomaniacs.


going back to Che, he famously said that a true revolutionary's greatest quality is one of love - love of fairness, equality, and humanity.

Che also said this:




“Hatred as the central element of our struggle! Hatred that is intransigent…hatred so violent that it propels a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him violent and cold- blooded killing machine...We reject any peaceful approach. Violence is inevitable. To establish Socialism rivers of blood must flow! The imperialist enemy must feel like a hunted animal wherever he moves. Thus we’ll destroy him! These hyenas are fit only for extermination. We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm! The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims!”

-------

Freedom: Can't be brought by controlling.

Love: Can't be brought by hating.

Prosperity: Can't be brought by taking away from people.

Responsibility: Can't be taught by denying people their right to act freely.

Generosity comes from giving, not taking. I challenge anyone who wants to be a Socialist leader, share your possessions freely and live what you preach! Don't scheme to get in a position of power from where you force me to comply with your ideas or else.

Thought experiment: Tomorrow, the "best" system there could be would be handed down to humanity, with all the texts and information we would need. Would everything be perfect? No, because humanity is incapacitated in many ways and could not hold it up. Therefore, our main challenge is to strengthen humanity broadly, so that eventually a free and empowered humanity may emerge.

[Limor Wolf]

Russell Brand may be the right person at the right time.. he has briliance, charisma and great articulation, he is direct, sassy, and say all the right words in an immaculate way.

He also has a history which is worth taking into consideration

I would take cautious in jumping on the Brand wagon just yet before seeing all angles of this.

Russel was married to Katy Perry, a pop singer. The music industry likes to use illuminai symbolism and be in complete control of their singers and entertainment representatives. There are a lot of mind control games involved nowdays and this can not be completely disregarded when observing Brand's meteoric rising into alternative stardom. It could be nice if he could relate to that and what he thinks about the way the music and entertaiment industry is being effected and played with by the same ones who he criticises. Saying that, he sure gave great performances on his last appearences in TV

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/60817000/jpg/_60817312_pa_rock_cruise.jpg


p.s

To make it more clear, I do not doubt his own sincerity.

Simply, the game is different in every level.

[Kristin]

Limor,

I think you'll get a kick out of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-pFDOjc3EI

[christian]

Perhaps a test should be issued to psychologically see if a person is a psychopath before they are allowed to take office.

Then who controls psychology and the testing procedure is in charge of who can get into office and who can't. Who will control the controllers? It's a catch-22, it's impossible to reach a high ground from where it would be ensured that only the decent get into positions of power. The testing must be down by as many people as possible individually. People have to learn to trust and use their own discernment. The more people do this, the more we focus on claiming our freedom and sovereignty, the better off we will be.

I think the only way to prevent people from abusing the power of their office is to take away the power from the office. We don't need presidents, congress-men and all these people. They need us. Humanity has existed prior to politics, many systems have come and gone. And our current one; this too shall pass.

[Hervé]

Some rise to stardom... some get eliminated... what's the dividing line when both sides are controlled by the same pupetteers:


Who killed Michael Hastings? (http://www.occupy.com/article/exclusive-who-killed-michael-hastings)

Carl Gibson
occupy.com
Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:12 CDT
http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/155324/large/maxresdefault_17.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s7/155324/full/maxresdefault_17.jpg)
Early in the morning on June 18, a brand new Mercedes C250 coupe was driving through the Melrose intersection on Highland Avenue in Hollywood when suddenly, out of nowhere, it sped up. According to an eye-witness, the car accelerated rapidly, bounced several times then fishtailed out of control before it slammed into a palm tree and burst into flames, ejecting its engine (http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx134/Clifton_Santiago/hastingsengine_zpsc3e0a210.jpg) some 200 feet away.

A witness, Jose Rubalcalva, whose house stood adjacent to the crash, told (http://atrium.occupy.com/read/node/www.youtube.com/watch?v=fweyFCFKcp0) Ana Kasparian of The Young Turks news network that no one could approach the burning car because it kept exploding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LSY3wVuASg). In a simulated full-frontal crash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvw_VLcUUwU) of a 2013 C250 coupe, the car doesn't explode on impact nor does it launch its engine 200 feet.

In fact, said Nael Issa, a Mercedes Benz dealer in Long Beach, "The car has a crumble zone, so when it crashes it goes in like an accordion. And in some cases the engine drops down, so it doesn't go into you."

The driver in the fatal crash was Michael Hastings, a 33-year-old crack investigative reporter for Rolling Stone magazine, whose June 2010 article, "The Runaway General (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-runaway-general-20100622)," exposed the behind-the-scenes failure of top U.S. General Stanley McChrystal's counterinsurgency strategy in Afghanistan - and, even more damagingly, revealed McChrystal's mocking attitude toward the Obama administration, which ultimately led to the general's resignation.

Four months after Hastings's so-called accident, and despite scant coverage in the mainstream media, new facts and evidence continue to emerge raising serious unanswered questions about whether the journalist was assassinated, the breadth of unconventional cyber-techniques that may have been used, and who might have been responsible.

Full article: http://www.sott.net/article/267988-Who-killed-Michael-Hastings

[Delight]

I wish George Carlin was around to converse with Russell Brand. That would be RICH.
The main priority for humans is what we do to ourselves by the way we think and by extention to others. If we cannot realize this cause/effect FOR us by our own mistaken considerations, well, anyone who remains confused is bound to feel "F'ed".

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[Kristin]

Christian: I think the only way to prevent people from abusing the power of their office is to take away the power from the office. We don't need presidents, congress-men and all these people. They need us. Humanity has existed prior to politics, many systems have come and gone. And our current one; this too shall pass.
I agree with this completely!

[Cidersomerset]

We must not get to carried away with Russell , but its all part of awakening
people. His day job is comedian/actor and he would be an easy target by
the mainstream, but its still encouraging this is his show in New York a
couple of years ago. Not every ones cup of tea and is a bit over the top imo,
but still a public figure prepared to put himself on the line like David Icke.

Adult content strong language.....

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[Carmody]

Just one example to back up my previous post ...

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That video is a good example of manipulation. The suggestion is planted at the beginning and then some blurry footage is shown that is supposed to support what is said. I do not agree that Russell was shown doing anything extra-ordinary to manipulate Ms Perry.

I'm not buying it. I have no doubt that Russell Brand will have "Illuminati" people trying to get close to him and attempt to control and discredit what he does. It seems to me that this video is another example.

yes, it is important to understand that those who disrupt and break movements and motions, do it via the introduction of at least a minimal bit, a sliver of doubt.

This is the method by which it is done. The breaking of the formation of consensus and action is done via the introduction of doubt, within the given camp. It does not have to be a big doubt..as a matter of act, that probably would not work. It is the little things, the slivers of doubt which stall movements and actions.

[Carmody]

going back to Che, he famously said that a true revolutionary's greatest quality is one of love - love of fairness, equality, and humanity. the true revolutionary does whatever is necessary, whether it's firing a rifle or cooking a meal. a true revolutionary does what he does and advocates what he advocates for the sake of the whole, for the betterment of everybody - not just a select, elite few. which leaves only one pertinent question we should all be asking ourselves: does the current paradigm do the same? provide for the whole? the betterment of everyone? it's simple math (at least here in the US): we have the 1%, and we have the 99%. pretty simple. endless and eloquent talk of "ists" and "isms" cannot change the facts. it will not change who the real despots are.

Che basically said that from inside the middle of a war. From being within the storm, to 'hold fast' and keep the correct orientation from within the eye of that particular hurricane..

At this point, we need the spark, which is a totally different kettle of fish.

And spark.. is a hoary, hairy and explosive affair, even at it's best.

The genesis point, by it's very nature, will be incredibly messy.

There is no reconciliation, there is no control, there is no balance, there is no organization, nothing. It's very point, as a beginning, as a start, a genesis...is to be totally out of control, as it cannot be anything else. Otherwise, it would never be.

[Anchor]

And Russell, if you're reading this, write to me at bill@projectavalon.net! Everything there is seen by myself only.

... and Obama (courtesy of the ever helpful NSA) ;)

[Shezbeth]

I'll take this opportunity to point out that,....

Crony capitalism, government collusion, outright fascism, et al. are natural human responses to the glorious 'Free-market' capitalism that (some) people like to go on about being the solution/correction. Mind, when I say natural I am alluding to the idea that there is a multiple-spectrum response, of which fascism is a small percentage.

Cronyism/whatever is - at it's core - a product of radical consolidation, which tends to be the affair of those with the 'most'.


The old: "If you don't like the way the politicians are running things, then go vote them out of office" is so absurd

Excellent point. Let's not forget those laughing in our faces (AHEM John McCain) with tripe like "If you don't like it, run for office yourself." - as though the entire political system isn't (arguably) rigged to expel anyone who just might make meaningful difference (read: disrupt the status quo). I agree that through consistent ridicule, that which is ridiculous can be made apparent as BEING ridiculous after which, it can be mediated (yes, even by a dumbed-down, over-fluoridated population).

[bluestflame]

a catalyst for sure , important to get things moving , it's easier to make adjustments along the way as the eyes begin to open en masse

[bennycog]

I think comedians and musicians are a very viable way to get our messages out. Because it does not throw people into a confusion straight away.
They get to hear a punch-line or a good riff. Once they get past the attraction to the piece they can hear and feel the words.

A much more soothing way to get woken up don't you think?

[T Smith]

I'll take this opportunity to point out that,....

Crony capitalism, government collusion, outright fascism, et al. are natural human responses to the glorious 'Free-market' capitalism that (some) people like to go on about being the solution/correction.



This is quite right. As someone who frequently advocates for free humanity I would also point out that the aforementioned can also be compared to a metastasized cancer on living tissue. How does one deal with cancer? By cursing the living tissue that allowed for the growth? By further determining that the living tissue itself is an epiphenomenon of the growth (which would be true) and therefore condemn the tissue? This is one solution, and a very costly solution in a holistic sense, but even so, this is still an allopathic remedy. That which truly causes the growth simply finds another host, even after you gouge out and kill the living tissue. Do we then double down and resolve to kill all living tissue in the body to avoid cancer? What about when the cancer engulfs an entire organ? Does one just kill or remove the organ from the body? That is also a solution. It just doesn't bode well for the overall health of the organism if the organ so happens to be vital for being, e.g. the heart or the lungs or the liver.

Freedom is vital for the human spirit. Even though crony capitalism, government collusion, and outright fascism have all sprung from free systems, which indeed is an astute observation, there are solutions to preventing the metastases, in my humble estimation, that do not require force and the removal of freedom from the social order.

[panopticon]

Brand wrote eloquently and I would advise anyone who wishes to comment on his interviews to read his article:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/russell-brand-on-revolution

My previous observation on his position seems accurate and I view he has been on a mission of self discovery over many years. His speaking so eloquently, and most importantly with humour, might engage the disenfranchised, disempowered majority and waken the slumbering 99%.

Even if only some come to the journey in my opinion this will be a victory.


To genuinely make a difference, we must become different; make the tiny, longitudinal shift. Meditate, direct our love indiscriminately and our condemnation exclusively at those with power. Revolt in whatever way we want, with the spontaneity of the London rioters, with the certainty and willingness to die of religious fundamentalists or with the twinkling mischief of the trickster. We should include everyone, judging no one, without harming anyone. The Agricultural Revolution took thousands of years, the Industrial Revolution took hundreds of years, the Technological Revolution took tens, the Spiritual Revolution has come and we have only an instant to act.
...
But we are far from apathetic, we are far from impotent. I take great courage from the groaning effort required to keep us down, the institutions that have to be fastidiously kept in place to maintain this duplicitous order. Propaganda, police, media, lies. Now is the time to continue the great legacy of the left, in harmony with its implicit spiritual principles. Time may only be a human concept and therefore ultimately unreal, but what is irrefutably real is that this is the time for us to wake up.

The revolution of consciousness is a decision, decisions take a moment. In my mind the revolution has already begun.
Source (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/russell-brand-on-revolution)
Well said. :sad:

[bennycog]

Just as an update.
I have never received anything from youtube before. Just now I received in my email suggesting the youtube video of Russel is viral by asking if I have viewed the most popular videos this week.
Russel brand being in the top 3 videos.. the first one at 6,232,608 views..
is it automated? or is it propaganda? if it is propaganda I like it this time :) it is the right stuff..

[araucaria]

A few thoughts on Russell Brand.

1. He is not advocating ‘legal plunder’: legal plunder is what we have already, and of course it is often far from legal anyway.

2. If he were an Illuminati asset, then why are they shooting themselves in the foot like this, instead of literally shooting his mouth off? Answer: they are not in full control.

3. The notion that to be a celebrity you just have to be an Illuminati asset is a carefully maintained instance of a necessary belief in the controllers’ control being absolute, which it is not. Such an idea is the result of extrapolation: what you don’t see is the same as what you see. Not true. Or the result of approximation: the majority, however vast, is not unanimity. In the days of the Soviet Union, a 98% vote was rightly seen as a serious lapse, even though 98% is 100% to the nearest 5%.

4. It is in the very nature of the control system to foster strife: not black hats versus white hats but black hats versus black hats. The hierarchical structure is one of learning evil by having it inflicted on you from above until you yourself rise to those positions. The pyramid is a truncated one because you never reach the top: what looks like the top is the bottom of another pyramid. Which is why your hierarchies carry on up into extraterrestrial and other-dimensional levels. There is no end to the control. Until one walks away from the whole thing.

5. Hence the need to remain grounded. Russell Brand has guest edited an issue of New Statesman. We can start by buying a copy, subscribing or making some other new statement, in other words casting the meaningful vote we don’t get to cast on election day. Let New Statesman know we want more of this kind of initiative. Things like this, found at http://www.newstatesman.com/staggers/2013/10/weeks-new-statesman-russell-brand-guest-edit :



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Russel Brand hits the nail on the head about the 'issues'. For the answers see http://www.commonsensethinking ... And of course the front page http://www.newstatesman.com/staggers/2013/10/weeks-new-statesman-russell-brand-guest-edit

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6. I don’t like to be criticizing George Carlin around here, but when he says ‘remember how stupid the average person is and that half of the population are even dumber than that’, or words to that effect, he would do better to point out that half of the population are brighter than average, many considerably so, and these are the people we should be mobilizing. It is a bad mistake to be dumbing the population down to the point of excluding the entire top half. It is even worse than that when you consider that even average intelligence is far from dumb, and especially when you factor in qualities of goodness, the intelligence of the heart.

[enfoldedblue]

I put this on the other Russell thread, but I will put it here too :).


One thing many of us here have figured out is that the game manipulators have been able to maintain their success for so long because they play BOTH sides. By placing agents on the 'good 'bad', 'left' right', etc they ensure that they can lead movements in ways that ultimately benefit their agenda. Based on the way they play I would expect them to be advancing a really cool good looking person, with a slightly rebellious nature, who offers 'some' truth that people can relate to...an appealing voice for the disgruntled slaves.

Hopefully Brand is a free agent speaking for himself, and advancing in the spotlight on his own steam. However, I feel that knowing the way the big boys play it might be wise not to get too caught in the sway of a 'movement'. A few years ago I would be thinking Russell was a hero and be telling everyone I know to listen to the important things he has to say. Now I choose to stand back and watch.

Ultimately I don't think we need heroes anymore. We need to stop focusing on people on outside pedestals and learn to recognise the hero within. This is how the game will really change.


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I also forgot to say that I don't think these old tricks work the way they used to in this new energy. Spreading the truth...will only wake people-up regardless of if there is a negative agenda behind the movement.

[Cidersomerset]

I like this poster....


http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/new-statesman.jpg

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/russell-brand-there-is-going-to-be-a-revolution-it-is-totally-going-to-happen_102013

[Taurean]

Like Russell says, far better minds than his are out there with more complete answers, here's a good example;-

Stefan Molyneux's breakdown


ltiviifnA_E

[Chester]

I believe in democracy with an asterisk -

The asterisk is that along side the democratic process is a truly free press and that the press is able to get their news out to all.

In addition, there has to be term limits and that we never allow the revolving door of politics/government/corporate CEO to exist.

And that is just for starters and yes, I am a dreamer.

[Carmody]

A few thoughts on Russell Brand.

1. He is not advocating ‘legal plunder’: legal plunder is what we have already, and of course it is often far from legal anyway.

2. If he were an Illuminati asset, then why are they shooting themselves in the foot like this, instead of literally shooting his mouth off? Answer: they are not in full control.

3. The notion that to be a celebrity you just have to be an Illuminati asset is a carefully maintained instance of a necessary belief in the controllers’ control being absolute, which it is not. Such an idea is the result of extrapolation: what you don’t see is the same as what you see. Not true. Or the result of approximation: the majority, however vast, is not unanimity. In the days of the Soviet Union, a 98% vote was rightly seen as a serious lapse, even though 98% is 100% to the nearest 5%.

4. It is in the very nature of the control system to foster strife: not black hats versus white hats but black hats versus black hats. The hierarchical structure is one of learning evil by having it inflicted on you from above until you yourself rise to those positions. The pyramid is a truncated one because you never reach the top: what looks like the top is the bottom of another pyramid. Which is why your hierarchies carry on up into extraterrestrial and other-dimensional levels. There is no end to the control. Until one walks away from the whole thing.

5. Hence the need to remain grounded. Russell Brand has guest edited an issue of New Statesman. We can start by buying a copy, subscribing or making some other new statement, in other words casting the meaningful vote we don’t get to cast on election day. Let New Statesman know we want more of this kind of initiative. Things like this, found at http://www.newstatesman.com/staggers/2013/10/weeks-new-statesman-russell-brand-guest-edit :



It is my observation and direct experience that the PTB types work through retroactive control and retroactive spin.

They can't watch, control, and corral everyone. Their assets are, actually --- very limited.

The mark of the hidden hand is when the stories change, plain and simple.

The massive level of all pervasive spying, is to get to the point of being able to put a face and name, or more specifically a spin story on the given rising consciousness that may occur.

The fingerprint tracking and record keeping is also about using geneotyping/patterning to find those who might 'rebel'. The retinal pattern is even more potent in that area of 'predictive analysis' of personality typing, as the eye is not fully formed at birth, it takes time. The environment of the newborn plays into this, and is going to eventually be found to form a 'imprint/reflection' of a sort, of the adult's mental and environmental 'formation'. retinal scans are not innocent, they are targeting a point of analysis and predictive analysis.

Essentially, the pawn level people have one move to them, at a minimum - so use it wisely. A pawn can transform into a queen or anything else..and can also take down kings, they just have to remember that it is within their capacity to do so.

[Eram]

Essentially, the pawn level people have one move to them, at a minimum - so use it wisely. A pawn can transform into a queen or anything else..and can also take down kings, they just have to remember that it is within their capacity to do so.

Rise to the occasion, grow passed the "worry" stage and become the change.

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yeah, I like that!

[Delight]

Russell Bump

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[mahalall]

To the parent of any child with bi-polar and or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (a label i think is misintrepreted passion of Russell Brand spirit) before you allow the state to drug your child's mind look at what potential their energy could go on to achieve.

Having grown up at the same time and a few miles from where Russell Brand grew up (on the edge of the Essex Golden Triangle,ha) and with family members who went to the same school. His presence is not unique to that part of the UK. Another manifestation of the Essex entrepreneural wrath albeit of a spiritual nature. "Loads a Money" gone to "Loads of Spirit"

Time for a retreat? or at least a cup of ... tea with Bruce Parry.

[Cidersomerset]

We need a thread devoted to Russell Brand, John Stewart and Stephen Colbert of Comedy Central and the like.
Like Divine Fools throughout history, they help keep us sane and looking at life from the right perspective.

Its gone a bit quite on the Russell front and I cannot find him having a interview with Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert

An amusing interview on top British TV interview show earlier in the year &
they comment on 'Saxgate' & shows Jonathan his spiritual tattoos.....


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Published on 4 Feb 2013


Russell Brand gives an interview on The Jonathan Ross Show
2nd February 2013. Had to edit out 4 mins of the interview
near the end due to a copyright block.

[Cidersomerset]

Russell Brand Blasts MSM Lies in Mindblowing Interview and talks indepth
to Alex.....A serious interview showing Russell is an intelligent individual
like Bill Hicks or George Carlin.

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Published on 31 Aug 2013


Video: Russell Brand Blasts Syrian War Disinformation
http://www.infowars.com/video-russell...
After his MSNBC appearance challenging the talking heads
of mainstream media generated millions of views on YouTube
in a display of just how much the public craves real information,
Russell Brand is now back on air exposing the situation and Syria
and the mainstream media propaganda.

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Russell Brand on MSNBC Mocking Media

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Published on 17 Jun 2013


A very funny interview with comedian Russell Brand who is setting out on a world
comedy tour. Buy your tickets by visiting his website. Comedian Russell Brand
terrified anchors on MSNBC's Morning Joe program by lecturing them about how
the media distracts from real news by obsessing about superficial
distractions.Brand almost immediately put host Mika Brzezinski on the back foot by
describing his tour as an exploration of how Malcolm X, Gandhi, Che Guevara and
Jesus Christ "are significant culturally and how icons are appropriated and used to
designate consciousness and meaning....they're all people that died for a cause,
they're all people whose icons are used to designate meaning, perhaps not in the
manner in which they intended."

Brand then poked fun at MSNBC's army of "actors" in the back of the shot who
were supposedly tweeting, noting that they were merely a gimmick to create the
impression that the program was a hotbed of news.

The anchors began to get visibly uncomfortable when Brand made the point that
mass media was an operation in changing information "so it suits a particular
agenda" and that viewers were being manipulated.

Instead of addressing Brand's point, the anchors instead obsessed about the
comedian's accent and his clothing.

"You're talking about me as if I'm not here and as if I'm an extraterrestrial,"
responded Brand, "thank you for your casual objectification."

"I'm a little nervous," retorted Brzezinski, presumably not used to entertaining
guests on her program who act like real people.

When the conversation began to break down, Brand asked , "Is this what you all do
for a living?" before hijacking the broadcast to talk about Edward Snowden, the
NSA spying scandal and Bradley Manning.

"Look beyond the superficial, that's the problem with current affairs, you forget
about what's important, you allow the agenda to be decided by superficial
information -- what am I saying -- what am I talking about -- don't think about
what I'm wearing, these things are redundant, superficial -- don't be distracted,"
said Brand as Brzezinski physically cowered.

Brand, who is a close friend of David Icke and was the only celebrity of note to
draw attention to the Bilderberg Group with a recent tweet, is known for broaching
topics of conversation which firmly go against the establishment grain. He also
follows Alex Jones on Twitter.

His Brand X show routinely features guests from the counter-culture as well as those with controversial political views.

[Cidersomerset]

RUSSELL BRAND on The Consciousness AWAKENING to ELITE's NEW WORLD ORDER AGENDA

Talking to Alex Jones on Info Wars..........

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[Delight]

We need a thread devoted to Russell Brand, John Stewart and Stephen Colbert of Comedy Central and the like.
Like Divine Fools :jester: throughout history, they help keep us sane and looking at life from the right perspective.

Monty python's crew TOO.

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[Cidersomerset]

Russell Brand is a controversial charector , but is definately enlightened
and willing to think outside the box.This is a interview he did with David
a few years ago when he was at the height of his 'Zany' period,but shows
signs he is taking the alternate scene seriously.Which from later interviews
seems the case



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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/editpost.php?p=645461&do=editpost

[Cidersomerset]

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Published on 1 Feb 2013


Russell Brand - the face of a new drive to help addicts abstain - tells Channel 4 News he
still needs support in the wake of his drug abuse and that yoga should be compulsory
for politicians.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55093-Russell-Brand-on-drugs-Savile-and-yoga-..interview-Channel-4-news

[Cidersomerset]

As part of Russells Drugs awareness ......Looking thru some
previous threads and U'tube I forgot some of the heavy weight
news shows and interviewers he has sparred with...


Russell Brand Funny Interview - This Morning

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Published on 8 Mar 2013


Phil & Holly chatting with Russell

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Russell speaking to a House of commons committee .....

Russell Brand on heroin, abstinence base recovery and addiction


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Drugs: Peter Hitchens & Russell Brand tangling over drug policy.

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[Cidersomerset]

Russell Brand - Daniel Pinchbeck - Graham Hancock

A very amusing and good interview....

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Published on 8 Nov 2012


Fascinating and hilarious video of Russell Brand chatting with Daniel Pinchbeck and
Graham Hancock about life, meditation, psychedelic experiences, and social revolution.
Most people may not have heard Russell Brand talking about such topics, as his
mainstream role as comedy clown precedes his deeper philosophical nature.
This interview i thought was very amusing, profound, and inspiring.

[Orobo]

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What was this about btw?
My first feeling was it was an "assh*le" or another kind of eye...like in "Jeremy is an assh*le" or, "I am just talking out of my ass".
Maybe a kiss, to the world hahaha.....

What about you Avalone? :)

Love,
O

[Cidersomerset]

Russell appeared on Question Time the BBC's flagship
political discussion show.

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Published on 20 Jun 2013


Russell Brand and Boris Johnson give their thoughts on the bankers...
oh a bit from Melanie Phillips too unfortunately (the biggest comedian
out of the three). For more political entertainment


Full show if you feel inclined....

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[Orobo]

Oh,

Forgot to mention, got too carried away, I lol´d hard.

Me too, took some time to appreciate this bloke...but now I think he is a hoot.

Not sure I share his all-out socialist dream there, too confused for that at the mo....,but the rest of his responses is spot on and witty.
Inspirational even...

cool, O.

[Cidersomerset]

I have seen and posted most of these vids before and it has reminded me watching
them again the gravitas behind the comedic bawdy exterior Russell presents and as
Jeremy Paxman asked in the original interview in post one.

Russell Brand.Who are you to edit a political magazine ?

I would say he has as much a right as anyone ! With a graduate decree from the
university of life, even if like all of us he/we are still learning new info.




Andrew Marr Show, newspaper review (23Jun13)

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Published on 23 Jun 2013


The Sunday newspapers are reviewed with "comedian"
Russell Brand and Labour peer Helena Kennedy.

[Sunny-side-up]

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What was this about btw?
My first feeling was it was an "assh*le" or another kind of eye...like in "Jeremy is an assh*le" or, "I am just talking out of my ass".
Maybe a kiss, to the world hahaha.....

What about you Avalone? :)

Love,
O

lol it's a mouth, hand puppet mouth ;)

[Anchor]

Having grown up at the same time and a few miles from where Russell Brand grew up (on the edge of the Essex Golden Triangle,ha) and with family members who went to the same school. His presence is not unique to that part of the UK. Another manifestation of the Essex entrepreneural wrath albeit of a spiritual nature. "Loads a Money" gone to "Loads of Spirit"

Well put. Liked the Harry Enfield reference - I wonder how many non UK people got that ;)

[Youniverse]

The great thing here is that Russell has a mouth on him, with incredible energy behind it, and fortunately he's saying a lot of very helpful things(for the transformation of this planet). Someone like him, as I'm sure most of you have recognized, can initiate the awakening process for a whole whack of sleepers. He'll reach many more people in a shorter time than Eckhart Tolle simply because he makes so much noise and does it in a humorous way. I can definitely see the signs of awakening in Mr. Brand and it is wonderful to see. He is very bold in articulating his views. It will be interesting to find out what he says next, lol.

[norman]

Russell Brand Calls For “Massive Redistribution of Wealth”, “Socialist Egalitarianism”


Comedian Calls For Socialism, And He’s Not Joking

“The plans may differ, the planners are all alike.” -Frederic Bastiat

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Famed comedian Russell Brand has taken a step into the political sphere and become an editor at The New Statesman magazine. His new political agenda he says is a ”socialist egalitarian system” involving a “massive redistribution of wealth”, “heavy taxation of corporations”, and adds that we must address the problem of “profits”. Brand believes that governments need massive centralization, while simultaneously calling for a revolution.

Of course socialism is not revolutionary. Advocating for social safety nets and redistribution of wealth is more about risk aversion. True revolutionaries are risk-takers, and are people who are willing to take risks and accept hardships. Not so with socialism, which creates a nanny state to make decisions for the people. Socialism is central planning. It means central control of your life.

Brand will likely crush the hopes of many libertarians who see this video and have enjoyed some of his previous TV appearances talking politics. Many people were stirred by Brand’s unwillingness to bend to the narrow political spectrum that the main stream media projects. That’s refreshing no matter what your politics. But his calls for socialism and for taxation show he is clearly not a revolutionary, nor a particularly original thinker. After all, we’ve had despotism for centuries.

The only truly radical philosophy today is the one that dares to claim that individuals own their own bodies and the fruits of their labors. It is the philosophy centered on economic freedom and personal liberty. It is the philosophy of natural rights and free markets. It is classical liberalism, the true laissez-faire. THAT is revolutionary, my dear friend. Socialism would be a step back.



Brand is advocating for nothing more than legal plunder. French philosopher Frederic Bastiat once wrote on the topic: “Now, legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways. Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole—with their common aim of legal plunder—constitute socialism.”

Despite Brand’s refreshing candor and undeniable charm, his misunderstanding of the true nature of centralization of government power is unforgivable. It’s intellectually lazy and in truth, dangerous.

Communism and socialism have been responsible for the death of possibly hundreds of millions of people in eastern Europe and Asia in the last century. The butchery of despotic socialist dictators such as Adolf Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Che Guevera, Fidel Castro and Pol-Pot are historic testimonies as to the eventual endgame of the centralization of government power.

Central planning is the “The Road to Serfdom,” which means that when the government has planned everything for you for your life and you are no longer useful to the state, they will offer you their final plan.



The hottest topic on the planet right now.

We are in a volatile place here in the truth movement because we are stacked up a thousand deep with passions for what we have burning in our silly semi enlightened minds.

Some of us come from a place where there's boundless space to have inherited freedom as a family hand-me-down. Some of us come from a place where the stark fact of monolithic overlords who own almost everything around us, and even parts of ourselves, is a bleak waterboarding of the consciousness so much that in our agony we might well cry out for "redistribution" of wealth.

What a "sin". :)

I think all Russel Brand is saying ( about wealth ) is that it cannot possibly be right that 1% own 90%.

I fully agree with him, AND, I fully believe that we have to get to grips with REDISTRIBUTION.

Even before we can build something better out of a better human mind condition.


Hey, if you're not one of the filthy rich 1%, what are you freaked out about. I don't think even Brand is suggesting taxing the little guy in his shotgun shack.

[onawah]

I wasn't suggesting that Brand had been on a Comedy Central show with Stewart or Colbert, though that would be interesting, just that I think we should pay more attention to them, since they are giving us more truth than most political commentators, and making us laugh at the same time, which is good Coyote medicine.
None of them are perfect, but given that they are airing their views on MSM, I think they are doing a very good job, even if only by helping to give some ironic comedic relief to those of us whose eyes are already painfully open, like Stewart and Colbert are doing.
I think Brand, with his passion, spontaneity and sincerity, is able to take it a step further and catch even the attention of the sleepers and the apathetic, though, and so thanks for all the vids!



We need a thread devoted to Russell Brand, John Stewart and Stephen Colbert of Comedy Central and the like.
Like Divine Fools throughout history, they help keep us sane and looking at life from the right perspective.

Its gone a bit quite on the Russell front and I cannot find him having a interview with Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert

[Wind]

The more I hear from Brand the more I like him. I think that Carl Jung's definition of The Jester fits him very well!


The 12 Common Archetypes (http://www.soulcraft.co/essays/the_12_common_archetypes.html)

http://www.soulcraft.co/essays/images/mark_twain.jpg


The self types: 9. The Jester
Motto: You only live once
Core desire: to live in the moment with full enjoyment
Goal: to have a great time and lighten up the world
Greatest fear: being bored or boring others
Strategy: play, make jokes, be funny
Weakness: frivolity, wasting time
Talent: joy
The Jester is also known as: The fool, trickster, joker, practical joker or comedian.

[nomadguy]

Russell Brand does speak with intelligence and articulates his points well.
I have enjoyed his musings as he mentally whips the MSM-talking heads about.

But... There is just something about the guy that reminds me of Zaphod Beeblbrox from "the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy"....

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I find that type of character pretty hard to trust. Anyone with outward charisma is subject to scrutiny in my book. Look at the historical figures that had outward charisma and you might get a gist of what I am saying.
So long as people keep in mind that some personalities are quite simply, very charismatic, we can go on without much fiasco.
He is due to make quite a lot of fuss in the MSM and it might be a great lot of fun.
(Much better than the whole Miley Cyrus thing)

note: It might be my Amero-conditioning kicking in, however I cannot get into some his leaning-socialist views.
Not that incorporated tyrannical capitalism is any better...
Adding that, in my perspective wide ranging-positive change is going to come slowly and not in any sort for fast sweeping revolution. I have not seen a revolution in history that served it's formation. For example the American revolution did not assure anybody anything. The Bankster's still appear to own us, our currency and our land. I feel we need to look to longer lasting aspirations than a quick solution mentality. If more people had been tuning-in to what is going on in their world instead of watching MTV things might be a lot better today. Let that be the mistake we learn from and not repeat.
So far it looks to me that Russell Brand has been picked out as a perfect candidate for the PTB to use to marginalize a whole generation as druggy burnouts and conspiracy nutters. I genuinely hope Mr. Brand proves them wrong and is as genuine as he appears. Many young people today are led astray too easily and if he is a poster child for the ILLuminati, the recruited numbers will certainly grow.
Needless to say I am still on the fence about the guy.
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[TargeT]

Just read this quote about Brand LOVE IT!

He is one of the few people on this planet whose brain is connected to his tongue and his heart, without doubt he is a very rare and unique ''BRAND''

yes... a Brand.. a very corporate way of controlling the masses.. interesting point.


Just one example to back up my previous post ...

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I think there is much more to this video than some are stating... I recommend caution; it is a logical fallacy to look at a messenger and ignore his message just based on who he is, so lets look at his message...


. Brand believes that governments need massive centralization, while simultaneously calling for a revolution.

Uhh... were you guys listening to the same interview I was?

Get passed the charisma and cute acting.. get past the staged "old fogie" vr "cool star" set up... look at what was actually said.

Sure sounds a lot like NWO implementation to me, and it STILL involves "money" (haven't we already learned that this is the root of human manipulation?)



Russell Brand isn't Waking People Up - He is Putting You Back to Sleep

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its difficult to do that handshake by accident... especially multiple times, but I wouldn't weigh that alone as evidence (but it's not alone, is it?)





Like Russell says, far better minds than his are out there with more complete answers, here's a good example;-

Stefan Molyneux's breakdown


ltiviifnA_E


Stefan Molyneux is a very smart individual... even HE caught on to what the real message was..


the BBC is the MOTHER of all state run propaganda, do you really think something was allowed past the editing stage on accident?


This whole thing "smells fishy" to me.

[Mike]

look, i'm in a public library right now. that means it's free! I can use the computer and rent movies and cd's for *no charge*. guys, this is socialism. 'free' is a good thing!

The state doesn't own anything in the first place. It can't give out anything "for free" which has not been taken away from someone, usually rather covertly and with threat of force. Later the state hands it out with a gesture of grandeur. Your free ride in the public library is paid for by yourself, at a very high price I figure.


socialism/redistribution of wealth doesn't mean "control of your life". quite the contrary, you'll have never had more freedom! with your newly padded pockets, a trip to the grocery store or a night at the movies will no longer represent the crushing burden it used to be. the author, not surprisingly, very Orwellian-ly refers to this as "legal plunder", which is supposed to carry negative connotations. but plunder of whom, in this instance? why the 1% of course. plunder away then! i'm all for it! I don't care what you call it!

Historically, the most plundered people in Socialism are from the (former) middle class. Even if the current robber barons would be plundered, most probably we would quickly end up with a new set of megalomaniacs.


going back to Che, he famously said that a true revolutionary's greatest quality is one of love - love of fairness, equality, and humanity.

Che also said this:




“Hatred as the central element of our struggle! Hatred that is intransigent…hatred so violent that it propels a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him violent and cold- blooded killing machine...We reject any peaceful approach. Violence is inevitable. To establish Socialism rivers of blood must flow! The imperialist enemy must feel like a hunted animal wherever he moves. Thus we’ll destroy him! These hyenas are fit only for extermination. We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm! The victory of Socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims!”

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Freedom: Can't be brought by controlling.

Love: Can't be brought by hating.

Prosperity: Can't be brought by taking away from people.

Responsibility: Can't be taught by denying people their right to act freely.

Generosity comes from giving, not taking. I challenge anyone who wants to be a Socialist leader, share your possessions freely and live what you preach! Don't scheme to get in a position of power from where you force me to comply with your ideas or else.

Thought experiment: Tomorrow, the "best" system there could be would be handed down to humanity, with all the texts and information we would need. Would everything be perfect? No, because humanity is incapacitated in many ways and could not hold it up. Therefore, our main challenge is to strengthen humanity broadly, so that eventually a free and empowered humanity may emerge.



hey Christian, it would have been much easier I s'pose if i'd just explained my own personal vision. Chinaski-ism combines elements of both socialism and capitalism - I guess you'll have to decide whether i'm a socialist or not;)

in Chinaski-ism, there would still be potential to earn outlandish cash, so ambition and innovation would still survive. this is a purely arbitrary figure, but anyone earning over, say, $25 million, would tithe 10% of their earnings to the bottom. this money would be distributed in such a way that would provide the very essential basics for survival: a small room, heat and hot water, and a bit of food. in other words, those that did not want to contribute to society in any way would not be living lives of luxury; they would, however, retain the dignity of basic survival...which I, Chinaski, as the ruler of this hypothetical world and kingdom believe we all deserve.

the great myth of "redistribution of wealth" is that you'll disempower the population. sure, some will be disempowered, but I think the great majority would want to strive for much more than the pure basics. and those that didn't, I reckon a large portion of them would be artists and poets, writers and actors etc, who would be perfectly willing to make this type of sacrifice to honor their art and creative juices. and this would, of course, contribute greatly to society.

and what we think of as the "middle class" would remain virtually unaffected. of course, this is a very simplistic explanation. and much of it is inspired by the "Conversation With God" books. I don't have the book with me now, but would be happy to provide details later if you wish.

regarding Che: unfortunately, sometimes violence needs to be stopped with violence. yes, hatred indeed! hatred of unfairness, of inequality, of lies, deception, and just basically being sh!tted on by a manipulative, mendacious government. admittedly, the quote is a little strong, ok:p. I never said he was a saint. and look, I, and maybe even you, might have felt a similar hatred if we were fighting imperialists. but even Jesus was known to say: "if a man doesn't abide in me he is cast forth as a branch and withers, and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned..." if you look hard enough, long enough....

[RMorgan]

Well, here's my take on this subject.

First of all, I must say that I don't quite admire this "celebrity cult" hype...Ok, the guy said a bunch of stuff that a lot of people, including people who are much smarter and intellectually prepared than him, have been saying for a zillion years and suddenly he becomes a groundbreaking revolutionary leader...In my opinion, this is just a different angle of the celebrity worship syndrome that permeates the contemporary society.

Anyway, about redistribution of wealth: It must be done. Exactly how and following which model? I don't know.

Currently, the super-rich are what they are because there are also the super-poor. There's no way to argue against that. For each billionaire, there must be hundreds of thousands of miserable people. For each rich country, there must be miserable countries. This is wrong.

If currently there's an X amount of wealth in the world, and this wealth should at least be distributed in a way which would make everyone on this planet be able to live a worthy and dignified life, there's no way we could accept such a discrepant wealth distribution chart.

Sure, talented and innovative people deserve to be rewarded, but not in the detriment of others. This is unacceptable.

So, there must be a limit to wealth accumulation, that could very well be set by a progressive taxation system, which means that, above a certain level of accumulated wealth, people and specially corporations would start to pay more and more taxes, and such taxes would be invested in social actions to give the poor the appropriate conditions to be competitive, to innovate and become rich themselves if they work hard enough.

Currently, in our pyramid shaped system, being rich and financially successful is nothing but a dream for those who are at the bottom. The system, through propaganda, makes them believe they have a chance if they work hard enough, but the fact is that they don't. The contemporary working classes are in fact fooled to believe they can achieve success, while in fact the fruits of their hard work are directly transferred to the top of the pyramid...Once in a while a guy comes from the very bottom and becomes very rich, but that's just bait to give poor people the illusion of hope.

That's the nature of any pyramid scheme, I mean, convince people they can get to the top, while they can't. Use a lot of people so only just a few really benefit from the scheme. Give people hope, so they think they have a real chance, while they don't.

Anyway, I believe the ideal system, would eventually fall in the category of a social democracy, where people still get the chance to become rich, as long as they're not making other people poor in the process, and most importantly, everyone should be given equal conditions to control their own future (good education, good social services, good food, good shelter, good leisure, etc...)

To sum up, just cut off the top of the pyramid and make it look more like a trapeze. This would already be a good start. After that, long term, the structure would naturally become more horizontal, more just.

Raf.

[mahalall]

Anchor:Well put. Liked the Harry Enfield reference - I wonder how many non UK people got that
"Up the hammers-West Ham init!"
8xx26LVPTlE

When you stop dancing with the play of words and observe the reaction of the sensation that is Russell Brand, the momentary silence asks; how are our Tavistock friends playing this pawn

(West Ham is a football club in East London-moderately successful-one intriguing aspect of their history is that they had a serious violent gangland underhand but almost overnight in late 1988-89 they momentarily turned into the most loved up hugging beautiful people-What caused the change is that senior controlling figures on the terraces were given large amounts of Ecstasy to be distributed through networks across the country-It caused an enormous cultural shift in the youth of the UK-from political anger so social love albeit a synthetic one. Putting to one side the cocaine barons who were attempting to open the market one does ponder how involved the social engineers at the Tavistock Institute where? So it is intriguing that West Ham should be in the background of a revolution)

[onawah]

Even a pawn can win the game.

[Becky]

I think Russell Brand is brilliant - very quick witted and knows how to make a very quick come-back....but he has some excellent points and I too love the statements he made that others have highlighted. Let's hope that what he says will come true. This is inspiring to be sure :wizard:

[Mozart]

http://frothquaffer.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/paxman-vs-brand-full-interview-transcript/

Forgive me if this link has been posted in this thread, but here's a transcript of Brand's commentary, if you want to read it.

[Octavusprime]

I don't think appreciating another humans talents and opinions necessarily equates to "celebrity Cultism". Just giving credit where credit is due regardless of whether they are a celebrity or an individual of any walk of life.. I have similar appreciation for those here on Avalon that speak their minds in very intelligent ways. Chinaski and Rmorgan are two such individuals but I digress.

Anyway, I have to admit that it has been a long road of trying to break the brainwashing of the American culture. I was made to think anything remotely socialist is evil. I know share the view with many here that redistribution is the only way to break this disproportional social hierarchy and help bring everyone to a more level playing field.

We have plenty of resources, amazing technology and years of social experimentation. Why can't we feed the world? Why do people die of diseases that we have long had cures for? The system worked for it's purpose of bringing us to this point but we need to learn, adapt and make effort to change.

A revolution is needed. I'm not advocating violence as revolutions can take many forms. Yet it will be a very hard road to rip the control from those who have, for so very long, been greedily grasping to keep their power.

[Kiforall]

Lenin said, "The best way to control opposition is to lead it"

[norman]

So, there must be a limit to wealth accumulation, that could very well be set by a progressive taxation system, which means that, above a certain level of accumulated wealth, people and specially corporations would start to pay more and more taxes, and such taxes would be invested in social actions to give the poor the appropriate conditions to be competitive, to innovate and become rich themselves if they work hard enough.


Raf.

Progressive taxation is a very good way to keep things in balance, but, many 'countries' already have progressive taxation. The problem is that in the current state of things, the progression only goes so far up the scale before it disappears into a dark hole. The very people and entities that should be paying the big bucks into a progressive taxation solution are escaping from the responsibility because of their economic clout.

The current state of affairs is that the middle classes are carrying a heavy burden supporting the casualties of a crooked economy. That gives taxation a bad name and causes free spirited people to knock it and politicize against it almost like a religion. It's more like a game of anual musical chairs than a proper taxation system that would do good.

It shouldn't be the middle classes paying most of the tax. The kind of wealth redistribution that would really do the job must include the very top end.

If you think about it, The very rich benefactors of the way the system currently works are effectively the output of a system, or circuit. The entire system is constructed for the purpose of providing those people with the incredible privilege of practicing self determination through control and exploitation of everyone else.

It's very much based on the precept that people wouldn't want to work or be creative otherwise. In a way, that's true, but it's not ultimately true, it's just that people are unhappy and unfulfilled by doing it all for virtually nothing but being a trooper or servant class to a self appointed elite bunch of crooked shirking free loaders.

The output of that system only has to be hooked up to the input and a flow of wealth would work through all of us however we choose to engage with this world.

That, in as screwed up a state as where we have to start from, IS progressive taxation.

The big deal is getting the true output of the system back into the input, not just the leakage current from various stages of the circuit, as is the real state of things right now.

Progressive taxation that's 'enforced' all the way through to the furthest point from the energy source.

[Anchor]

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I think what Russel Brand is trying to do, is to contemplate how a transition is managed in a way that inflicts the minimum challenge to people and freeing them from the "oppressive" tactics of those that thrive on playing about with limitations.

For me, deep down, all this pontificating on how things should be done - in terms applicable only to the current paradigm - is irrelevant, because our paradigm will shift from our current organizations based on the idea of limited resources, to one of abundance and not much of the old organizational methods are applicable to that.

This is why it is currently easy for all the political scientists to debunk his presentations - but what you have to do is notice that as much as he can Russell avoids talking about what SHOULD be done, and instead frames his debate around what should not be done. [eg: when he says to Paxman: I'll tell you what it WONT be like...]

Accordingly I find his thinking entirely consistent with what I think about the "paradigm shift" - and his presentation of it is rather clever and I love him for it.

[TargeT]

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I think what Russel Brand is trying to do, is to contemplate how a transition is managed in a way that inflicts the minimum challenge to people and freeing them from the "oppressive" tactics of those that thrive on playing about with limitations.


but that's not what the language he spoke says, not at all.

he called for a "massive" centralized power; one with enough force behind it that it could take wealth from anyone and redistribute it.

so we have a revolution against a power structure that is oppressive and replace it with an even MORE powerful MORE centralized (and global btw) power structure?

This sounded like an amazingly well "spun" call for the NWO based on the structure of his words...

the presentation is very well done, (very contrived in my view) and really he brings absolutely nothing new to the table, not even his calls for a New World Order control structure.

[Mike]

--
I think what Russel Brand is trying to do, is to contemplate how a transition is managed in a way that inflicts the minimum challenge to people and freeing them from the "oppressive" tactics of those that thrive on playing about with limitations.


but that's not what the language he spoke says, not at all.

he called for a "massive" centralized power; one with enough force behind it that it could take wealth from anyone and redistribute it.

so we have a revolution against a power structure that is oppressive and replace it with an even MORE powerful MORE centralized (and global btw) power structure?

This sounded like an amazingly well "spun" call for the NWO based on the structure of his words...

the presentation is very well done, (very contrived in my view) and really he brings absolutely nothing new to the table, not even his calls for a New World Order control structure.


hi TargeT, i'd have to go back and watch the video, but didn't he say that this centralized government would be limited to organizing and simply providing order? something like that? maybe i'm wrong. unfortunately, it's going to take massive power to remove the massive power that already exists. whether this new hypothetical massive power goes rotten is conjecture, but i'm willing to roll the dice. can't really get much worse, can it?

i'm actually all for the structure of the NWO, but not for the current people who would be running it. as Kristin said, it all comes down to the people, not the structure.

it's true that he's not really calling for anything new or anything that hasn't been proposed numerous times before, but one has to repeat oneself over n over if no one is listening, right? just because it's been relentlessly suggested in the past doesn't render it irrelevant.

best,
Mike

[TargeT]

hi TargeT, i'd have to go back and watch the video, but didn't he say that this centralized government would be limited to organizing and simply providing order? something like that?
no he didn't, he did say they should be relabeled to "admin bots" or something


maybe i'm wrong. unfortunately, it's going to take massive power to remove the massive power that already exists. whether this new hypothetical massive power goes rotten is conjecture, but i'm willing to roll the dice. can't really get much worse, can it?

I think it could get much worse, just as it has gotten us to the point we are at now. "you cannot solve a problem with the same consciousness that created it"

we could take out the current power structure by just not participating with it any longer, I think we need a massive consciousness shift, not a new massive power structure; power structures just get corrupted, they always have & it seems that they always will.



i'm actually all for the structure of the NWO, but not for the current people who would be running it. as Kristin said, it all comes down to the people, not the structure.

it's true that he's not really calling for anything new or anything that hasn't been proposed numerous times before, but one has to repeat himself over n over if no one is listening, right? just because it's been relentlessly suggested in the past doesn't render it irrelevant.

best,
Mike

I don't think the answer to our government problems is more government... we will just end up in the same place we are now (though with different context).

[Mike]

hi TargeT, i'd have to go back and watch the video, but didn't he say that this centralized government would be limited to organizing and simply providing order? something like that?
no he didn't, he did say they should be relabeled to "admin bots" or something


maybe i'm wrong. unfortunately, it's going to take massive power to remove the massive power that already exists. whether this new hypothetical massive power goes rotten is conjecture, but i'm willing to roll the dice. can't really get much worse, can it?

I think it could get much worse, just as it has gotten us to the point we are at now. "you cannot solve a problem with the same consciousness that created it"

we could take out the current power structure by just not participating with it any longer, I think we need a massive consciousness shift, not a new massive power structure; power structures just get corrupted, they always have & it seems that they always will.



i'm actually all for the structure of the NWO, but not for the current people who would be running it. as Kristin said, it all comes down to the people, not the structure.

it's true that he's not really calling for anything new or anything that hasn't been proposed numerous times before, but one has to repeat himself over n over if no one is listening, right? just because it's been relentlessly suggested in the past doesn't render it irrelevant.

best,
Mike

I don't think the answer to our government problems is more government... we will just end up in the same place we are now (though with different context).



I agree - and wish we were at a critical mass of folks who would simply stop being complicit in government affairs. even when I was young and far too green to know or explain why I did and didn't do certain things, I *knew* I wanted no part of this massive bureaucracy. I love Dennis' 'Reset Button', and wish like hell we were at a point in time when it could be realistically implemented. Brand is saying something similar - "don't vote!" (as it amounts to complicity)

even as I was writing about massive revolution in the above post, I was fully aware that it was not my cup of tea. but these clowns in power are not going to forfeit their positions any time soon. I don't know: what's more realistic at this point, a violent cou d'eta or a massive shift in consciousness? I hear about this massive shift constantly on the forum, but it seems so abstract an idea as to render it meaningless. I mean, I know what it means to me, and like you would favor it over force vs force, but waiting for everyone to come around is akin to watching paint dry, isn't it? do we have that kind of time, I wonder? and even if we were fortunate enough to have this massive shift in consciousness, we would still have to do something about the current regime. they aren't going to willfully walk away because we've all suddenly become enlightened. I often wonder if a shift in consciousness would be more likely to occur if we were able to somehow rid ourselves of the current shadowy cabal. what comes first, the chicken or the egg? I honestly don't know, my friend - i'm just thinking out loud.

I imagine it's sort of like letting a group of captured enemy soldiers go free - you can't in good conscience kill them, as they are unarmed and helpless, and yet you know deep down that in freeing them you will likely fight them again, putting yourself and your troops in danger. what to do? i'm not excited about it, but I fear some bloodshed will be necessary - this cabal is fully entrenched, like a pitbull with a vice grip on the earth. being exposed means death for them and they know it. they'll fight to the end.

that's my take. it's a good discussion, at any rate...

[outerheaven]

I often wonder if a shift in consciousness would be more likely to occur if we were able to somehow rid ourselves of the current shadowy cabal. what comes first, the chicken or the egg?

Good question!

I think it'd be vastly easier to bring the cabal down by exposing their vile history and murderous acts. Trying to go at them with force seems like it'd be an infinitely more dangerous, bloody affair. If it comes to war, the (cabal-controlled) media would easily focus on the atrocities and images of war, drowning out any of the legitimate rationale for upheaval. It'd be the proud, Patriotic Warriors of the Homeland Security versus the dirty, pot-smokin', latte-sippin', vidyagame-playin', baby abortin', hippie socialist terrorists trust-fund slacker force.

The truth really is the greatest weapon against the cabal. The very ideas and "morals" they have brainwashed the masses that they are supposed to defend and uphold, are their greatest violations. It will be difficult to get people to accept this -- but given enough disclosure, I'm confident, most people will be able to come around to the truth. And there is a wonderful truth awaiting them once they leave the paranoid, fear-addled illusion of the cabal world.

The more the cabal tries to suppress the truth -- no doubt relying on violence! -- the more people will realize that something is up. Once you reach a critical mass, more people will keep coming out with the truth, and it won't be able to be contained any longer.

edit: And I say that as someone who was still in pajamas 3 months ago. What woke me up? One bad Chomsky article where he accused JFK of being a "warhawk like all other US presidents," etc. That didn't jive with what I'd remembered about JFK, and so then I found myself researching JFK's presidency, which always leads to the assassination. Realizing that the cover-up persists today led me to researching plenty of other events.

"Well," I thought, "JFK's murder was certainly a conspiracy. But those crazy CTs talking about Sandy Hook? C'mon, I mean ... Really?"
*outerheaven researches Sandy Hook*
"... Dear God."

So don't lose hope. There's plenty of people like me out there who are just waiting for the right info to prod them along on to the right path. And I can honestly say that my life feels like it has so much more meaning now, even if my worldview was rocked. Don't lose hope!

[outerheaven]

As for Russell Brand ... I have one last to say. And given my status as a newbie not only to this community but to awakening in general, I feel like I have a unique viewpoint to offer.

Before my awakening, I considered myself very knowledgeable about politics and current events. I trawled all the major news mediums, several times a day, reading and trying to take in as much as I could. I thought I had a pretty good grasp for why and how things happen in the world. Friends would frequently come to me to ask me what's "going on with" any given hot-topic situation. And I'd unwittingly recycle the latest propaganda, completely unaware of my role in the grand scheme of things. And yet I thought I was so classless and clever and free!

I was also politically active. I was a part of OWS, arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge, and I currently have some other ongoing things related to that that I can't really speak about.

I'm happy to say I've always been objective. I'd put myself at the "left" side of the political spectrum, but I never considered myself a Democrat -- they disgusted me. All the virtues and values they stood for when a Republican was in office, they suddenly abandoned when they obtained office. I knew the puppet on the left and the right were pushing the same agenda. But I didn't know how insidious the plan was. I thought it was merely an issue of "money corrupting politics." Get the money out of politics, I thought, and all the issues will be magically solved!

Believe me when I say: what Russell Brand is screeching about right now, is exactly the kind of rhetoric that would've excited me not so long ago.

And it is exactly the kind of rhetoric that kept me asleep in the past. Just like other "radical left wing" gatekeepers, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Amy Goodman ... etc, etc. Russell Brand is now the new radical left wing socialist, any further past him and you will be considered a fringe lunatic.

Don't you see?

I don't know. I could be wrong. But to me, with my fresh perspective, it seems so obvious. Here we are, at a time where the current administration has been absolutely hammered the past year with political disasters, whistleblowers, revelations about the elite's misdeeds, etc. And here to scoop up the populist rage from the fallout of those stories, is one Mr. Russell Brand, to direct you, upset citizen, towards a revolutionary new brutal Socialist regime that will redistribute wealth and create a powerful, centralized state!

What the hell? That's the NWO plan, folks.

Let me give an example of the kind of thing that wakes people up:

Anything the Republicans said about Obama's birth certificate evoked a massive eye-roll from me. I wouldn't even look into it. It just sounded so ridiculous and impossible, and ... racist! Can you imagine my surprise when I finally got around to looking at it myself, in Illustrator? I couldn't believe it. I showed it to my friends. We all know how to use PhotoShop, being raised on it. One quick download, showed it to them, and watched their jaws hit the floor. They knew right away. Suddenly, my newfound worldview didn't seem so ridiculous anymore, and they were very curious and eager to know more. To know why.

That's how you wake people up. Show people the truth. Shock the hell out of them. That will make them come around much quicker than any political ideology screed will, anyday.

What Russell Brand is screaming about is more left-versus-right, socialism-versus-capitalism, nanny state-versus-bootstraps bull. It's not going to wake anybody up. He's only preaching to the choir and riling up the opposition. Divide and conquer.

I'm not saying people shouldn't enjoy his message. Feel free. I just think we need to be more vigilant about the kind of message we're opening ourselves up to.

[TargeT]

I don't know: what's more realistic at this point, a violent cou d'eta or a massive shift in consciousness?
Realistically and historically, a violent Coup.. though that's unfortunate because it will just lead us down the path of another power structure unless it's a "crowd-sourced" revolutionary Coup.


I often wonder if a shift in consciousness would be more likely to occur if we were able to somehow rid ourselves of the current shadowy cabal. what comes first, the chicken or the egg? I honestly don't know, my friend - i'm just thinking out loud.

Since we as a society have been indoctrinated for generations, no, removing "them" would take a long time for any affect to trickle down (haha). We would have to literally reverse indoctrinate ourselves for any rapid (and even then it would take decades I'd bet) change to occur.


we are in a pretty good "pickle" and unfortunately the only way out I see is the one that seems least likely: a massive consciousness shift. (not to say that I have full understanding of the universe and this is an all encompassing view, perhaps something bigger than I can think of will happen and just what I see as impossible will come to be... hard to rely on that kind of pie-in-the-sky hope however.)

[Octavusprime]

I think the major issue that pits one man against another is the need for humans to put ideas and people into groups or buckets. Everyone sees an idea and thinks "what group does this fit into?". How is it that there are only 2 groups of thought on the infinite amounts of issues that are out there? You are either left or right in your thoughts and ideas.

I think this is a very narrow way of thinking about the world. In order to destroy this current dualistic political structure we must all abandon it's premise entirely. I challenge you all to stop thinking of everything you read or hear as either Democratic or Republican. Thinking in this way has influence on your overall acceptance or rejection of a given idea. When you take sides, you often are blind and deaf to certain ideas by automatically bucketing ideas as "bad" just because it doesn't align with the group you have bucketed yourself into.

I'm going off topic but I often see this play out. An issue is brought up and a line is drawn in the sand. Everyone picks their side and tries to argue for their "cause". It is exactly why this current government is so dysfunctional. The world is not black and white, it is full of color and perspective. Let's also think and discuss in a wide spectrum of colors.

The old saying "You are either for us or against us" is the basis for much conflict and division in this world. IMO breaking this type of thinking will bring great change to the world.

[outerheaven]

Well said. That's what I was trying to hit on with my post - the one thing that can unite all people, regardless of their political leaning, is the truth.

We need more mainstream figures willing to risk their reputations, careers, and yes, lives, by bringing topics from the "fringe lunatic" realm into the mainstream. Then I'll get excited! ;)

[Cidersomerset]

Nice to see continued debate, this is an article from the

http://s.huffpost.com/images/v/logos/bpage/uk.gif?31

31 oct 2013


Robert Webb another British comedian guest editing the New Statesman mag ( good publicity for that mag..LOL )

Rebukes Russell Brand For 'Political Revolution'

Vid and statement on link ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/31/robert-webb-russell-brand_n_4180398.html?ncid=webmail11


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Robert Webb and Russell Brand


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Robert Webb, left, rejected Brand's claim that 'revolution is un-British'. Photograph:
Dan Wooller/Philip Toscano/Rex Features/PA


The comedian Robert Webb has accused Russell Brand of political "timidity" for not
voting and calling on other people not to vote, and suggested that he should better
educate himself by reading "some ****ing Orwell".

Webb, best known as one half of the comedy double act Mitchell and Webb,
castigated Brand for an essay he wrote as guest editor of the New Statesman,
which he ended by stating: "I will never vote and I don't think you should either."

Writing a response piece in the current edition of the magazine, the Peep Show
actor criticised Brand for effectively "telling a lot of people that engagement with
our democracy is a bad idea".

Webb, who said Brand's article had provoked him to rejoin the Labour party,
expressed particular concern about the message Brand was sending to his young
fanbase. He added: "That just gives politicians the green light to neglect the
concerns of young people because they've been relieved of the responsibility of
courting their vote.

"Why do pensioners (many of whom are not poor old grannies huddled round a
kerosene lamp for warmth but bloated ex-hippie baby boomers who did very well
out of the Thatcher/Lawson years) get so much attention from politicians? Because
they vote."

Webb personally accused Brand of political "timidity" for failing to vote, arguing
that this was a key way to object to many of the policies that he objects to, such as
George Osborne's challenge to the European Union's proposed cap on bankers'
bonuses.

Implying that Brand's political rhetoric was more style than substance, Webb also
took issue with his claim that "revolution is un-British", arguing that the English
invented it in the modern era when Charles I was beheaded in 1649.

Webb writes: "We got our revolution out of the way long before the French and the
Americans. The monarchy was restored but the sovereignty of our parliament,
made up of and elected by a slowly widening constituency of the people, has never
been seriously challenged since then. Aha! Until now, you say! By those pesky,
corporate, global, military-industrial conglomerate bastards! Well, yes. So national
parliaments and supernational organisations such as the EU need more legitimacy.
That's more votes, not fewer."

The comedian praised Brand for being "a wonderful talker" but archly noted
that "on the page you sometimes let your style get ahead of what you actually
think".

"In putting the words 'aesthetically' and 'disruption' in the same sentence, you
come perilously close to saying that violence can be beautiful. Do keep an eye on
that. Ambiguity around ambiguity is forgivable in an unpublished poet and expected
of an arts student on the pull: for a professional comedian demoting himself to the
role of 'thinker', with stadiums full of young people hanging on his every word, it
won't really do."

Webb concludes by questioning Brand's avowed belief in God and his desire to find
a "luminous connection" beyond himself through revolution. "We tried that again
and again, and we know that it ends in death camps, gulags, repression and
murder. In brief, and I say this with the greatest respect, please read some
****ing Orwell."

His upbraiding of Brand comes after Jeremy Paxman accused the comedian of being
a "trivial man" in a fierce exchange on Newsnight last week.

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2013/oct/30/robert-webb-russell-brand-vote
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Political revolution 'ends in death camps, gulags, repression and murder': Robert
Webb responds to Russell Brand's call for his fans not to vote
The Peep Show star said he decided to rejoin the Labour Party after reading Brand's
article in the New Statesman

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/political-revolution-ends-in-death-camps-gulags-repression-and-murder-robert-webb-responds-to-russell-brands-call-for-his-fans-not-to-vote-8914129.html

[Cidersomerset]

The views of Robert Webb above are shared by many people still living in the mainstream bubble.
He has conveniently forgot the stop and search policies especially ethnic communities and all
the other abuses encroaching on our freedoms in the name of 'Terror' etc and all the millions
around the world who die in infancy and are living below the poverty line, child labour, sweat shops,
child abuse , trafficking, drugs and the 1001 things going on around the globe.

Yes Britain is a lovely place if you have a home and a job , but Russell is trying to highlight
the growing gap between the haves ( which includes himself ) and the growing inequality.
He may not have expressed it right, and a bloody revolution is not what he is asking for. Just
shows we have a long way to go yet.

[Delight]

The Lip TV is in LA and has been leading the US press on Scientology escapades. This segment with David Icke is focusing on how media has the power of crafting what we consider possible. I think this may be one of the first presentations from the People's Voice?? I wonder how soon we will see Russell Brand interviewed there?

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[Delight]

You might have much of the world's riches, and you might hold a portion of authority, but if you have no ubuntu, you do not amount to much. -- Archbishop Desmond Tutu

This video was posted on the ranch and Beyond thread. At 1 hour 35 minutes, Michael Tellinger starts talking about Ubuntu.

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The philosophy of Ubuntu derives from a Nguni word, ubuntu meaning "the quality of being human." Ubuntu manifests itself through various human acts, clearly visible in social, political, and economic situations, as well as among family. According to sociolinguist Buntu Mfenyana, it "runs through the veins of all Africans, is embodied in the oft-repeated: "Ubuntu ngumtu ngabanye abantu" ("A person is a person through other people"). This African proverb reveals a world view that we owe our selfhood to others, that we are first and foremost social beings, that, if you will, no man/woman is an island, or as the African would have it, "One finger cannot pick up a grain." Ubuntu is, at the same time, a deeply personal philosophy that calls on us to mirror our humanity for each other. To the observer, ubuntu can be seen and felt in the spirit of willing participation, unquestioning cooperation, warmth, openness, and personal dignity demonstrated by the indigenous black population. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reverend-william-e-flippin-jr/ubuntu-applying-african-p_b_1243904.html



Ubuntu's respect for the particularity of the other links up closely to its respect for individuality. But, be it noted the individuality which Ubuntu respects, is not of Cartesian making. On the contrary, Ubuntu directly contradicts the Cartesian conception of individuality in terms of which the individual or self can be conceived without thereby necessarily conceiving the other. The Cartesian individual exists prior to, or separately and independently from the rest of the community or society. The rest of society is nothing but an added extra to a pre-existent and self-sufficient being. This "modernistic" and "atomistic" conception of individuality lies at the bottom of both individualism and collectivism. Individualism exaggerates seemingly solitary aspects of human existence to the detriment of communal aspects. Collectivism makes the same mistake, only on a larger scale. For the collectivist, society is nothing but a bunch or collection of separately existing, solitary (i.e. detached) individuals (Dirk, 1998).

This argument structures the fundamental philosophical approach of Ubuntu. The “Cogito ergo sum” is not the opposite of "Ubuntu Ngumuntu Ngabantu", because the Cartesian individuality finds its opponent in collectivism whereby the individual vanishes and only becomes a part of community without any strong relevance. The Ubuntu individuality encompasses the centrality of individual but with the framework of the society betterment. This may be understood better with the following Dirk’s argument:

By contrast, Ubuntu defines the individual in terms of his/her relationship with others. According to this definition, individuals only exist in their relationships with others, and as these relationships change, so do the characters of the individuals. Thus understood, the word "individual" signifies a plurality of personalities corresponding to the multiplicity of relationships in which the individual in question stands. […] This is all somewhat boggling for the Cartesian mind, whose conception of individuality now has to move from solitary to solidarity, from independence to interdependence, from individuality vis-à-vis community to individuality à la community (Dirk, 1998).

Ubuntu goes far away from collectivism or a pure Cartesian individuality. It starts from the individual capacitation, promotion and self-creativity to his or her relation with the others. The solitaire individual or the collective individual is transformed in an individual filled with sense of solidarity towards the community. In the western approach, it would be a capitalist with human face or rather a fully human being with elements of capitalism. Having discussed about important dimensions of Ubuntu concept, it is relevant to discover some of its danger or limitations when one may take it for granted in one way or another. http://www.africafiles.org/article.asp?ID=20359

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[Cidersomerset]

Jeremy Paxman was on the Graham Norton Chat show last night
along with Dame Judy Dench, Sir Elton John and comedian John
Bishop. He was on to promote a book and a tele series is wrote
and is going to film about WW1.

Among the frivolity of the show, John Bishop asked Jeremy a
political question and whether he would like to call some 'knobs'
when they are particularly evasive to questioning , and also
all MP's should have at least one job before running for Parliament,

Paxman agreed to both and then went on to mention his interview
with Russell Brand in a faverouble way, saying although he did
not agree with all of what he said, he agreed with some and
could understand his point about the disconnect of many of
the electret from mainstream polititcs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03gh2bz/The_Graham_Norton_Show_Series_14_Episode_4/

[Cidersomerset]

I could not find a edited clip but the metro agrees...


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Jeremy Paxman admits he agrees with Russell Brand on The Graham Norton Show


Friday 1 Nov 2013 11:33 pm

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Paxman: I agree with Russell BrandJeremy Paxman agreed that politicians need
more real world experience (Picture: BBC)

During a rare chat show appearance on The Graham Norton Show, Newsnight host
Jeremy Paxman said he thinks Russell Brand is ‘absolutely right’ about people being
fed up with politicians.

Fellow guest John Bishop broached the topic of politicians being out of touch, at
which point Paxman brought up Brand’s recent comments to him.

Paxman seemed a little incredulous towards Brand’s calls for revolution in the
already infamous Newsnight interview, but apparently shares his frustrations.

The broadcaster told Norton how he disagrees with Brand on many things, but that
on the subject of apathy toward politics in the UK: ‘I think he is absolutely right, I
think people are fed up with posturing politicians.’

Brand became embroiled in a war of words with actor and commentator Robert
Webb earlier this week, who dismissed his calls for revolution telling Brand to ‘read
some f*cking Orwell’.

Elsewhere during the Graham Norton interview, Paxman discussed his controversial
new beard, admitted that the thought of calling irksome interviewees a
d*ckhead ‘had crossed his mind’ and played a mini game of University Challenge.

Quizzing Norton, Bishop and the show’s other guests Sir Elton John and Dame Judi
Dench on the sofa, Paxman at one particularly surreal moment wound up
shouting ‘worms worms worms worms worms!’ at the Skyfall actress, in reference
to her scoleciphobia.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/01/jeremy-paxman-admits-he-agrees-with-russell-brand-on-the-graham-norton-show-4170468/

[Cidersomerset]

Gaiam TV Mind Shift with Russell Brand and Eve Ensler

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Published on 14 Oct 2013


http://bit.ly/18mqZuw
We are facing a unique crisis as our renewed vigor for attaining enlightenment
clashes with our materialist based economy and fear-based politics. Is there a way
we can reconcile our current systems with the new spiritual paradigms? If not, how
can we reform them? Daniel Pinchbeck explores the cultural benefits of
enlightenment with comedian Russell Brand and playwright Eve Ensler in this
interview originally webcast October 15, 2013

Russell Brand offers his insightful perspectives on spirituality, economics and
politics without abandoning his unique zeal and sense of humor. It is an
entertaining and informative account on the profound benefits of individual
enlightenment. The conversation continues with Eve Ensler as they offer further
insights on reforming our fear and consumerism based cultures. Individually and
collectively, we can stop being passive and become the transformers of our own
lives.

[TargeT]

first 9 min are on Russel Brand... very well put & illustrates his ties to the Rockefellers et al.
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Story #1: Russell Brand Isn't Waking People Up - He Is Putting You Back To Sleep
http://ur1.ca/fyqo0
Russell Brand's Epic Interview With BBC's Jeremy Paxman Just Might Start A Revolution
http://ur1.ca/fyqo2
Video: Paxman vs Brand - full interview
http://ur1.ca/fyut2
Russell Brand's Nazi Barbs Didn't Go Over Well With Hugo Boss
http://ur1.ca/fyqo5
ClandesTime Episode 008 - The Russell Brand "Revolution"
http://ur1.ca/fyut6

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Whether RB's intentions are good or bad, whether he is controlled or not, whether he is conscious or a tool - can be debated forever.

What he has done is open a dialogue to a large number that never would have ventured into this territory otherwise - and that is a good thing.

How it turns out will be up to us.

[TargeT]

Whether RB's intentions are good or bad, whether he is controlled or not, whether he is conscious or a tool - can be debated forever.

What he has done is open a dialogue to a large number that never would have ventured into this territory otherwise - and that is a good thing.

How it turns out will be up to us.

I would say your statement is true for the types of minds that flock to this forum.

HOWEVER, the "unwashed masses" do not reflect a flexible thinking process, one that can process ideas drastically different from the status quo, they do not critically think and being guided by the lead handler into the slaughter house is NOT the same as opening a dialogue; and unfortunately in this TV/corporate/fascist media saturated world... we have almost no power, and very few things are up to us.

with this in mind, I think it's clear that we've had bright colors and shiny-things flashed at us and now are suppose to follow the piper where ever he may lead.

[Anchor]

Target, I think perhaps you assume the media is controlled to a much higher degree than it may actually be.

TPTB wanted to achieve full spectrum dominance, but I think they failed and now, IMO, they cannot ever do it.

But they wont stop trying until the last moments of potential for this choice.

They have cracks in the control framework, and through those cracks, the light shines.

[sian]

we could learn a thing or two from these guys

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also posted this here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64923-Red-Ice-Radio-Russell-Brand-s-Fantasy-of-a-Socialist-Egalitarian-Utopia/page6

[Corncrake]

John Plunkett in the Guardian writes on Tuesday, 5 November


Paxman: Brand was right over public's disgust at 'tawdry pretences' of politics
Newsnight presenter, who berated Russell Brand for never voting, admits 'green-bench pantomime' also stopped him once.

He once asked Michael Howard the same question 12 times and questioned Tony Blair if he was familiar with Megaboobs and Horny Housewives magazines. Now the Newsnight presenter Jeremy Paxman, famous for giving ruthlessly short shrift to politicians, has confirmed that his irascible on-screen attitude towards Westminster is more than skin deep.

The rottweiler figurehead of the BBC2 programme gave both barrels to all three main parties in a no-holds-barred column in the Radio Times published on Tuesday.

The presenter, 63, revealed he once did not vote because the choices were so "unappetising" and said politicians' burning desire to order people about was "one of the many reasons they are so odd".

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Paxman's withering critique followed his much-discussed Newsnight interview with Russell Brand last week. The 10-minute encounter, in which Paxman upbraided the comedian because he "can't be arsed to vote", became an unlikely YouTube hit, with 10 million views – nearly 20 times Newsnight's average audience.

But despite his criticism of Brand for never voting, Paxman confessed he too had once failed to vote in an election. "I think part of Russell Brand's diagnosis is right. There is a huge sense of disillusion out there," he said.

"Russell Brand has never voted, because he finds the process irrelevant. I can understand that: the whole green-bench pantomime in Westminster looks a remote and self-important echo chamber. But it is all we have. In one recent election, I decided not to vote, because I thought the choice so unappetising.



Full article here:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/nov/05/paxman-politics-russell-brand-voting?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2&et_cid=54912&et_rid

[TargeT]

Target, I think perhaps you assume the media is controlled to a much higher degree than it may actually be.

TPTB wanted to achieve full spectrum dominance, but I think they failed and now, IMO, they cannot ever do it.

But they wont stop trying until the last moments of potential for this choice.

They have cracks in the control framework, and through those cracks, the light shines.

yes, I think it's nearly absolute.... TV is the controlled factor, the internet is still somewhat uncontrolled.


I have yet to see anything on TV that would change my mind on this... the interview this thread centers on and especially the personalities it centers on re-enforce this for me honestly.

the continued follow on "play" this is getting just re-enforces that this didn't "slip through" and it's being pushed on purpose, for an agenda.... LOOK at the source, I mean how is it that anything else needs to be said other than LOOK AT THE SOURCE(s)!

in order to bring in a "NWO" the OLD world orders have to be eviscerated; this seems to be exactly what this interview is a part of.

[Cidersomerset]

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[Cidersomerset]

in order to bring in a "NWO" the OLD world orders have to be eviscerated; this seems to be exactly what this interview is a part of.

I can see how you get there Targe and you raise very valid points, but I don't get that vibe from Russell
Yes he can be an annoying prat as he freely admits, but I think he is genuinely engaging from the heart.
Of course he's making a few bucks on the way which will contradict some of his philosophies, but I think
he is to much of a loose cannon to be a plant of some kind. Saying that we all know about MK Ultra
and other mind control techniques and he was very parshall to the odd drug or three !!

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[Cidersomerset]

This is a good interview and shows Russell is just
a human being stating his current beliefs. Russell
reminds me a bit of David Ickes infamous
interview with Terry wogan on prime time
BBC in the 1990's when most people were
stunned that David expressed his early views.


Russell Brand Interview for THE MESSIAH COMPLEX

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Published on 24 Oct 2013


Emmy winner Jake Hamiltons sits down with Russell Brand
backstage at the Paramount Theater in Austin, Texas for an
exclusive interview about life, love and his new stand up
comedy show "The Messiah Complex" -- only on JAKE'S TAKES!
Follow Jake around the world at twitter.com/jakestakes

[Delight]

This is from 2012 and addresses some of the underlying themes Russell brand has touched on..the elections are meaningless.... just a revolving door. From that vantage point, we all ready HAVE Revolution (hehe). I like this speech but 2013 politically SEEMS THE SAME (yawn)

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[TargeT]

in order to bring in a "NWO" the OLD world orders have to be eviscerated; this seems to be exactly what this interview is a part of.

I can see how you get there Targe and you raise very valid points, but I don't get that vibe from Russell
Yes he can be an annoying prat as he freely admits, but I think he is genuinely engaging from the heart.
Of course he's making a few bucks on the way which will contradict some of his philosophies, but I think
he is to much of a loose cannon to be a plant of some kind. Saying that we all know about MK Ultra
and other mind control techniques and was very parshall to the odd drug or three !!



I used to weight pull dogs as a hobby, in essence all I really did was facilitate the dog to do what it wanted to do, sometimes I had to hold him back so he wouldn't start early... then I stood to one side and encouraged him while he did the work for me (he would pull up to 1,800 lbs on a sled!) I fed the dog, I housed the dog.. the dog was loyal to me, but still wanted to do some things on his own, he didn't really understand why I let him pull the weight (do what he wanted to do, he really enjoyed working) and that lack of understanding didn't ever dawn on him as significant.

I see R. Brand in a very similar light as that dog....perhaps with more understanding of his benefactors (as there is some interesting shots of him cozying up to the Queen of England and other things...)

[Starryeyed]

Controlled or not I think it's brilliant! Think about it, now when people search his name on google they will end up on conspiracy sites and blogs full of information many were not aware of, yes some will laugh it off but it will grab those ready to make a change to our disgusting political system! It will open a new awareness to many many people.

[Cidersomerset]

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6 November 2013 Last updated at 10:24

Viewpoints: Do MPs agree with Brand and Paxman?

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BBC presenter Jeremy Paxman has condemned the "green-bench pantomime in
Westminster" and comedian Russell Brand has criticised "the lies, treachery and
deceit of the political class". BBC Radio 4's PM programme asked three MPs for their
views on voter apathy.


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[Corncrake]

More fall out from the Paxman/Brand interview:

Russell Brand row: Nick Clegg criticises Jeremy Paxman's 'sneering'
Deputy PM attacks Newsnight presenter after he said he could understand comedian's disillusionment with politics


Nick Clegg criticised Jeremy Paxman on Thursday for being "sneering about politics", while at the same time making a good living from Westminster. The Newsnight presented treated all politicians as "rogues and charlatans", Clegg said.

The deputy prime minister took aim at Paxman on his regular LBC radio show after Paxman suggested this week that he had some sympathy with Russell Brand's disillusionment with politics and refusal to vote.

In the Radio Times Paxman wrote: "I can understand that: the whole green-bench pantomime in Westminster looks a remote and self-important echo-chamber," adding that in one recent election he did not vote as he felt the choice of candidates was "so unappetising".

Clegg was scathing when asked about Paxman's comments, telling listeners: "Here is a guy who gets paid a million pounds, thereabouts, paid for by taxpayers. He lives off politics and he spends all his time sneering at politics."

Paxman was at first dismissive of Brand's argument, expounded in a long essay in the New Statesman, that voting was pointless given the fundamental similarity of political parties. A subsequent interview on Newsnight has been viewed on YouTube more than 9m times sparking a debate on disaffection with the political system.

Another comedian, Robert Webb, wrote a response to Brand in the New Statesman, arguing that it was absurd to dissuade young people from voting. Clegg echoed that view, saying that to remove yourself entirely from voting and politics was "a total abdication of responsibility".

He said: "We know that politics is not perfect, but at the end of the day it is the way that we decide how you pay your taxes, how we support our hospitals, our schools, whether we are going to war or not, how we deal with climate change.

"Of course it is sometimes unedifying, but this idea that you can just sort of sneer at the whole thing, dismiss everyone as being rogues and charlatans and therefore 'I am going to wash my hands of the whole thing' – I think it is a total abdication of responsibility.

"At the end of the day I have got this old-fashioned view that if you want to improve something, get stuck in and get your hands dirty. Don't somehow pretend that you can turn your back on it."

In the Radio Times column Paxman said politicians' burning desire to order people about was "one of the many reasons they are so odd".

He said: "At the next election we shall have a choice between the people who've given us five years of austerity, the people who left us this mess, and the people who signed public pledges that they wouldn't raise student fees, and then did so – the most blatant lie in recent political history."

He said he had regretted his decision not to vote. "By the time the polls had closed and it was too late to take part, I was feeling really uncomfortable: the person who chooses not to vote – cannot even be bothered to write 'none of the above' on a ballot paper – disqualifies himself from passing any comment at all."


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/07/russell-brand-row-nick-clegg-jeremy-paxman

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A masked Russell Brand leads Anonymous march against austerity cuts: Funnyman-
turned-activist joins protesters as they aim fireworks at Buckingham Palace
Demonstrators throw glass bottles during confrontations with officers
Taking part in a global march against austerity cuts in Central London
Comedian Brand, 38, is pictured wearing Anonymous mask at protest
Ashley Anderson Hunte-Smith, 25, from Morden, London, and Jordan Mark Perry, 21
, from St Albans each accused of a public order offence
Jemma McCarthy, 25, from Bourne, Lincolnshire, charged with two counts of
assault on a police officer


Three people have been charged after hundreds of protesters including comedian
Russell Brand descended on Buckingham Palace and Parliament Square as part of a
worldwide demonstration against austerity cuts.

Officers from Scotland Yard arrested 15 pepole during the protests yesterday,
which saw demonstrators clashing with police, fireworks aimed at the palace, as
well as damage to Nelson's Column and the Queen Victoria Memorial.

Today three people were charged; Ashley Anderson Hunte-Smith, 25, from Morden,
south London, and Jordan Mark Perry, 21, from St Albans in Hertfordshire, are each
accused of a public order offence and will appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court
on November 19.

Jemma McCarthy, 25, from Bourne, Lincolnshire, was charged with two counts of
assault on a police officer and will appear at the same court today.




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[Cidersomerset]

Russell Brand Protests With Thousands For Anonymous Million Mask March

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[Delight]

More Branded opinions in a conversation between Russell and the HuffPost UK's Mehdi Hasan, which took place in East London. I couldn't embed it so here is the page....

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/05/huffruss-russell-brand-in-conversation-with-mehdi-hasan_n_4221633.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false&just_reloaded=1

[Anchor]

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Ooooh I like this one. Nice!

[Akasha]

More Branded opinions in a conversation between Russell and the HuffPost UK's Mehdi Hasan, which took place in East London. I couldn't embed it so here is the page....

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/05/huffruss-russell-brand-in-conversation-with-mehdi-hasan_n_4221633.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false&just_reloaded=1

They've put it on YouTube now. Here it is:

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[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Akasha ......great interview & funny...'Don't take every word literally'.....

Word association Blair Bla Bla Bla Labour, Cameron Bla Bla Bla Conservative
Supposed to be different parties in the day, but go to the same 'parties' in
the night. Some very good satire among some trivial comedy and sharp
observations of current affairs, and exploring his higher consciousness.