Fairy Friend
23rd October 2013, 23:28
Prozac/Zoloft/Paxil
I do not like prozac, or any selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Do you know that if you check records and look for a case of someone, a recorded actual case that is, of someone's serotonin level being way off or imbalanced much at all, before the drug was introduced, you will find very little. It is actually quite rare. Very, Very rare. Check records before mid1980s, before mass production. It is hard to find. It kinda doesn't occur.
If you ask to have a serotonin level checked before you take the drug you will hear. 'Well, we don't run it.' 'It's to expensive.' 'Why run a serotonin level, just try prosaic first?' No one runs the test. Never. Why? Few labs run it at all.
Some scientists like me, believe it is a lethal condition if it to far off. In truth, I believe it is a highly regulated neurotransmitter. I believe it is tightly regulated with both a positive and negative feedback mechanism, to keep it in a small tight window. As soon as it begins to be to high or to low, either receptors are made or more serotonin is made. Or vice versa to keep it in a narrow window.
Did you know that the original research publications shows the placebo group does better after 2-3 months than the prozac group. Yet that is how long it takes to build in the system. Once it builds in the system it becomes less effective. I recently encountered a person who was on it 10 years and was told they would never get off of it. Wow It's given to children? No NO NO. ?Pets?? Look before the mass production of this drug and the bombardment of narrow-minded research.
Look at the the original research papers. The first ones.
Yet society has massed produced serotonin reuptake inhibitors based on something that is very rare. And consume it like candy. OK Plenty of papers show that this effects the serotonin levels. It will on a normal person also. I don't get this madness. This is targeting the brain. This is not science. It is reverse engineering by giving a drug, seeing what it does, and decided that is what is wrong. But if you look to see if this is indeed imbalanced, before you give the drug, you never find it to be so. The serotonin level was found to be fine.
This is why the dosages keeps getting increased. The body adapts to that level or they have to add other drugs to the mix. It seems to me that the population became guinea pigs.
I approached the head of the psychiatric dept at the university in WI, then the head of mental health department at the Dean foundation a local HMO, got few answers to my questions. Finally, I asked someone at the FDA, “how can they mass market a drug where the placebo group does better than the drug group after 2-3 months?” They replied, “It's how we interpreted the data.” I have no written proof of this. I was sent out the door with a 'don't bother me kid' attitude.
I went a different direction. Had the honor of meeting Dr. Peter R. Breggin, M.D. author of “Talking Back to Prozac”. Got his autograph.
Later, it was pointed out and challenged, that the research had been pool together and scientists have agreed you cannot do this. You have to have so many people for a statistically significant result. If one research paper studied 6000 people and another 11,000, you cannot say 17,000 people were studied.
They defied their own guidelines. Yet here we are. I guess their guidelines to defy and change. You know we do double or triple differential calculus equations to figure that out. You defy math. I'm confused. Apparently nothing came of this?
This is an artificial pill meant to dope and warehouse. But this doesn't surprise people, right? It is not that effective despite the fact you often hear, 'well, people get better'. 'It helps'. “You might commit suicide if you don't take it'. Data showed you are more likely to suicide on the drug than off the drug. People refute it but the evidence does not really support the statement that they are less likely to suicide. It's the other way. You are more likely to suicide.
If you try to take the drug suddenly away however, you withdraw. The rebound effect. With in the first 2 weeks of not taking any psychotropic, such as prozac for depression, you will have a 10 fold increase in depression when you initially stop. This is your neurotransmitters and their associated receptors reforming. It is dangerous to suddenly stop taking any psychotropic.
I believe some the answer is tryptophan. The precursor to serotonin and melatonin. An essential amino acid that if we don't ingest it, then we are dead. The building block of protein yet our body cannot make it.
I found out that the FDA banned Tryptophan from the market. That's crazy. Not because of Tryptophan itself, as people seem lead to believe, but from contaminants. A Japanese company used a bacteria and inserted the genetic code to make tryptophan. This could mass produce it on a bigger scale but it had impurities. It was not refined enough and a German company pointed this out but they proceeded anyway. It lead to fatalities not from the Tryptophan but fragments of bacterial proteins. Yet the FDA banned Tryptophan from the market. They classified a nutritional substance as if it was a drug. Early 1990s I think. This is public information right? Up until then Tryptophan was the leading competitor of Prozac for treatment of depression.
The side effects listed in the physicians desk reference is long and disturbing.
In defense of the original scientists even with the drug companies. Even they thought it should be a bandaid solution. Not a permanent one. Their view can be very myopic. The 10 years of research is really one drug compared to another, or to the placebo group or to another dose. Not bad science just incomplete science. No long term studies are done. No toxicity studies either. They don't look at how the body processes the drug, if it pools in any organs. They don't look at how many derivatives form, where they pool in the body, for how long, by what route. Addiction studies are not done. Collectively, it is 10 years of bad science.
10 years of bad science does not undo 1 year of good science.
Eli Lilly in 1989 made $350,000,000 and by 1993 it was $6 billion/year and rising. I believe George W. Bush is on the board of directors.
Check it out for yourselves. I wouldn't mind someone confirming or denying this. I am out of touch. Is this common knowledge? I, personally, am angry. This is sick and wrong, very wrong. What do other people think? Fairy Friend
I do not like prozac, or any selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Do you know that if you check records and look for a case of someone, a recorded actual case that is, of someone's serotonin level being way off or imbalanced much at all, before the drug was introduced, you will find very little. It is actually quite rare. Very, Very rare. Check records before mid1980s, before mass production. It is hard to find. It kinda doesn't occur.
If you ask to have a serotonin level checked before you take the drug you will hear. 'Well, we don't run it.' 'It's to expensive.' 'Why run a serotonin level, just try prosaic first?' No one runs the test. Never. Why? Few labs run it at all.
Some scientists like me, believe it is a lethal condition if it to far off. In truth, I believe it is a highly regulated neurotransmitter. I believe it is tightly regulated with both a positive and negative feedback mechanism, to keep it in a small tight window. As soon as it begins to be to high or to low, either receptors are made or more serotonin is made. Or vice versa to keep it in a narrow window.
Did you know that the original research publications shows the placebo group does better after 2-3 months than the prozac group. Yet that is how long it takes to build in the system. Once it builds in the system it becomes less effective. I recently encountered a person who was on it 10 years and was told they would never get off of it. Wow It's given to children? No NO NO. ?Pets?? Look before the mass production of this drug and the bombardment of narrow-minded research.
Look at the the original research papers. The first ones.
Yet society has massed produced serotonin reuptake inhibitors based on something that is very rare. And consume it like candy. OK Plenty of papers show that this effects the serotonin levels. It will on a normal person also. I don't get this madness. This is targeting the brain. This is not science. It is reverse engineering by giving a drug, seeing what it does, and decided that is what is wrong. But if you look to see if this is indeed imbalanced, before you give the drug, you never find it to be so. The serotonin level was found to be fine.
This is why the dosages keeps getting increased. The body adapts to that level or they have to add other drugs to the mix. It seems to me that the population became guinea pigs.
I approached the head of the psychiatric dept at the university in WI, then the head of mental health department at the Dean foundation a local HMO, got few answers to my questions. Finally, I asked someone at the FDA, “how can they mass market a drug where the placebo group does better than the drug group after 2-3 months?” They replied, “It's how we interpreted the data.” I have no written proof of this. I was sent out the door with a 'don't bother me kid' attitude.
I went a different direction. Had the honor of meeting Dr. Peter R. Breggin, M.D. author of “Talking Back to Prozac”. Got his autograph.
Later, it was pointed out and challenged, that the research had been pool together and scientists have agreed you cannot do this. You have to have so many people for a statistically significant result. If one research paper studied 6000 people and another 11,000, you cannot say 17,000 people were studied.
They defied their own guidelines. Yet here we are. I guess their guidelines to defy and change. You know we do double or triple differential calculus equations to figure that out. You defy math. I'm confused. Apparently nothing came of this?
This is an artificial pill meant to dope and warehouse. But this doesn't surprise people, right? It is not that effective despite the fact you often hear, 'well, people get better'. 'It helps'. “You might commit suicide if you don't take it'. Data showed you are more likely to suicide on the drug than off the drug. People refute it but the evidence does not really support the statement that they are less likely to suicide. It's the other way. You are more likely to suicide.
If you try to take the drug suddenly away however, you withdraw. The rebound effect. With in the first 2 weeks of not taking any psychotropic, such as prozac for depression, you will have a 10 fold increase in depression when you initially stop. This is your neurotransmitters and their associated receptors reforming. It is dangerous to suddenly stop taking any psychotropic.
I believe some the answer is tryptophan. The precursor to serotonin and melatonin. An essential amino acid that if we don't ingest it, then we are dead. The building block of protein yet our body cannot make it.
I found out that the FDA banned Tryptophan from the market. That's crazy. Not because of Tryptophan itself, as people seem lead to believe, but from contaminants. A Japanese company used a bacteria and inserted the genetic code to make tryptophan. This could mass produce it on a bigger scale but it had impurities. It was not refined enough and a German company pointed this out but they proceeded anyway. It lead to fatalities not from the Tryptophan but fragments of bacterial proteins. Yet the FDA banned Tryptophan from the market. They classified a nutritional substance as if it was a drug. Early 1990s I think. This is public information right? Up until then Tryptophan was the leading competitor of Prozac for treatment of depression.
The side effects listed in the physicians desk reference is long and disturbing.
In defense of the original scientists even with the drug companies. Even they thought it should be a bandaid solution. Not a permanent one. Their view can be very myopic. The 10 years of research is really one drug compared to another, or to the placebo group or to another dose. Not bad science just incomplete science. No long term studies are done. No toxicity studies either. They don't look at how the body processes the drug, if it pools in any organs. They don't look at how many derivatives form, where they pool in the body, for how long, by what route. Addiction studies are not done. Collectively, it is 10 years of bad science.
10 years of bad science does not undo 1 year of good science.
Eli Lilly in 1989 made $350,000,000 and by 1993 it was $6 billion/year and rising. I believe George W. Bush is on the board of directors.
Check it out for yourselves. I wouldn't mind someone confirming or denying this. I am out of touch. Is this common knowledge? I, personally, am angry. This is sick and wrong, very wrong. What do other people think? Fairy Friend