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Griff
27th October 2013, 02:37
I just came upon this , but it is the best explanation for why the US backed down on attacking Syria that I`ve read yet. It is written by a indie journalist in Russia so it does come largely from that perspective, but independent of RT.

An excerpt:

`The most dramatic event of September 2013 was the high-noon stand-off near the Levantine shore, with five US destroyers pointing their Tomahawks towards Damascus and facing them – the Russian flotilla of eleven ships led by the carrier-killer Missile Cruiser Moskva and supported by Chinese warships. Apparently, two missiles were launched towards the Syrian coast, and both failed to reach their destination.

It was claimed by a Lebanese newspaper quoting diplomatic sources that the missiles were launched from a NATO air base in Spain and they were shot down by the Russian ship-based sea-to-air defence system. Another explanation proposed by the Asia Times says the Russians employed their cheap and powerful GPS jammers to render the expensive Tomahawks helpless, by disorienting them and causing them to fail. Yet another version attributed the launch to the Israelis, whether they were trying to jump-start the shoot-out or just observed the clouds, as they claim.

Whatever the reason, after this strange incident, the pending shoot-out did not commence, as President Obama stood down and holstered his guns. This was preceded by an unexpected vote in the British Parliament. This venerable body declined the honour of joining the attack proposed by the US. This was the first time in two hundred years that the British parliament voted down a sensible proposition to start a war; usually the Brits can’t resist the temptation.

After that, President Obama decided to pass the hot potato to the Congress. He was unwilling to unleash Armageddon on his own. Thus the name of action was lost. Congress did not want to go to war with unpredictable consequences. Obama tried to browbeat Putin at the 20G meeting in St Petersburg, and failed. The Russian proposal to remove Syrian chemical weaponry allowed President Obama to save face. This misadventure put paid to American hegemony , supremacy and exceptionalism. Manifest Destiny was over. We all learned that from Hollywood flics: the hero never stands down; he draws and shoots! If he holsters his guns, he is not a hero: he’s chickened out.

Afterwards, things began to unravel fast. The US President had a chat with the new president of Iran, to the chagrin of Tel Aviv. The Free Syrian Army rebels decided to talk to Assad after two years of fighting him, and their delegation arrived in Damascus, leaving the Islamic extremists high and dry. Their supporter Qatar is collapsing overextended. The shutdown of their government and possible debt default gave the Americans something real to worry about. With the end of US hegemony, the days of the dollar as the world reserve currency are numbered.

Full article here:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-on-syria-the-september-2013-military-stand-off-between-five-us-destroyers-and-the-russian-flotilla-in-the-eastern-mediterranean/5355644

Please let me know what you think.. is this a credible scenarioé

Thanks

Griff

Flash
27th October 2013, 03:05
Very good article, it has to be read entirely to comprehend the rational behind what the author thinks.

He said China supported Russia in the Syrian stand off, with their militaries in the meditarenean, waiting. Russia's sea militaries were all there as well, while USA was firing his tomahawks at Syria, which were intercepted by Russians. We came at on hair from the third world war it seems.

He talks about US and Israel, both countries based on a excepionalist paradigm. They both think they are exceptional and because of this, can impose on others. Interesting views.

THe whole article also explains the Russians views, as beiing from a deeply christian base saying we are all born equal.

This is so interesting, the planet has reversed itself. Russia became super christian, America became godless, Europe in between. He says the Jews of Russia which are very influent supported Putin, as well as the very affluent and infuent Jews of Iran.

The whole story seems very different from what we perceive in American, when seen from other's eyes, elsewhere in the world.

Bubu
27th October 2013, 03:09
Please let me know what you think.. is this a credible scenarioé

Thanks

Griff

I think it is. We knew that the cabal is hell bent on starting this war. The fact that it hasn't materials means that something have work against their plan. I have always felt that their downfall is at hand. It is hard to explain it's just one of those "I just felt it"

Tesseract
27th October 2013, 03:38
I don't think the missiles being launched and shot down is likely, it would have been witnessed by many countries all around the mediterranean, both on Radar and from space, and probably visually as well, depending on time/weather. This is just my initial response, I'll look into it more tomorrow.

Snowflower
27th October 2013, 03:38
I am fascinated to read an article from such a completely different paradigm than exists here (US.) I have no idea where the truth actually lands. I don't follow the precept that it is undoubtedly somewhere in the middle, because sometimes one side is dead right while the other is dead wrong. I just don't know which is which in this case, and in most other cases involving the war on the people from the powerful of the world.

spiritguide
27th October 2013, 04:37
Guess the real reason will be inherant in the american people's ability to say no when it counts. Any media's perspective was international in perspective but for sure the americans did not want any of it and they informed those responsible if it happened that they have no future. Don't tread on me is a personal thing to those who believe in human rights. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not ever vanquish. Peace is accomplished through love not war. IMHO

grannyfranny100
27th October 2013, 10:11
Don't forget the 300 to 1 phone calls to our Congressmen. All the Kerry rhetoric justifying war didn't convince the public this time, Congress folded, surprisingly the Brits didn't go along and Putin provided a face-saving solution. The world is coming together against the last ditch efforts of the cabals. They are cornered, off balance and meeting resistance.

Griff
27th October 2013, 13:32
I don't think the missiles being launched and shot down is likely, it would have been witnessed by many countries all around the Mediterranean, both on Radar and from space, and probably visually as well, depending on time/weather. This is just my initial response, I'll look into it more tomorrow.


Israel claims they were doing a joint missile `test` with the US, firing a single Sparrow missile. Russia claims it tracked two that were fired from the central Med. The US denies any involvement. The real story is in there somewhere, but there was definitely a missile or two lobbed in the general direction of Syria.

More info here:

http://news.sky.com/story/1136479/syria-israel-fires-missiles-in-mediterranean

Griff

Snowflower
27th October 2013, 13:48
Yeah, I remember reading about those two missiles right after they happened. In the reports I read, they were blaming the missiles on Israel, and Israel was apparently agreeing, but saying that the missiles were only tests lobbed out over the Mediterranean and not supposed to be doing harm to anyone.

Gardener
27th October 2013, 14:57
Good point 'Snow' another viewpoint receiving different information, the perception engineering can be profoundly different. On the truth thing, that position is immutable, the truth sits where it is, in its true place, and 'somewhere in the middle' moves it towards the lie.

I am fascinated to read an article from such a completely different paradigm than exists here (US.) I have no idea where the truth actually lands. I don't follow the precept that it is undoubtedly somewhere in the middle, because sometimes one side is dead right while the other is dead wrong. I just don't know which is which in this case, and in most other cases involving the war on the people from the powerful of the world.

grannyfranny100
27th October 2013, 18:31
IMO, the beauty of our governmental system is synergy. Outcomes are greater than the sum of the parts. Some of our founders forewarned that our Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc. were a good system for the people if we could keep it.

We have gotten progressively more complacent and allowed tyrannical forces to nibble here and there until we are losing our rights and settling for fascism. We have lost touch with consensus building which was the goal of Congress and keep re-electing critters who spit out pablum at us. People have adopted a me, me winner-take-all attitude and ignored the need to participate.

We have allowed an infection to seep into all three branches of government, its many agencies and the Fourth estate of a free press meant to help us keep watch over a rampant infection which is turning into a plague.

Many independent groups are focusing on a variety of issues from different levels: national, state and/or local. We have enough issues to keep TPTB mopping up mini crises rather than leading us around from one crisis after another of their choosing. What is going on shows us how far we have drifted from the philosophy of our Republic and the need to get it back on track.

We all have different interests and need to participate in at least one interest to rebuild and modify or delete what isn't working. Some momentum has developed but we need to keep the pressure on TPTB with a multi-pronged approach of more issues than they can handle simultaneously and their circuits go into overload.

We will never all agree about the Syrian situation but we need to be paying attention and grow our awareness so we can voice what it is that we want. We have to stop settling for scripted mainstream media and work towards solutions based on more insightful information than sound bytes.