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Mozart
29th October 2013, 01:53
The People

The smell and talk of genuine Revolution is in the air ... but not a violent one; a peaceful one that would likely be punctuated with a series of large events that may come to historically referred to as "Major Events" that will have changed the course of history as we know it today.


Go ahead and call this post a pipe dream if you want, but we must have some sort of aim/structure if we are to succeed in this coming revolution, right?


So, if we do have a revolution ... what will we wind up with and how are we going to ensure a smooth transition from a centralized, fascistic-based and debt-based monetary system that once was fully controlled by the Illoonynaughties to one that's decentralized and based on the power of the People?


In a transitional time, perhaps the most efficient means of quickly getting the badly-needed currencies out to the masses of people worldwide -- I mean every single country in the world -- would be to take over the privatized, centralized central banking model that dominates nearly every country in the world and issue debit cards to every adult in every country in the world.


Each adult would be able to withdraw, say, around $2,400 each month, every month, for an indefinite period of time until we transition into a new economy for the world -- sort of like how the Swiss are considering issuing $2,800 Francs a month to each adult in Switzerland. The currencies are not based on debt -- they are based on the wealth that each adult adds to the world simply by existing in this world.


The current privately-owned banks that are owned by the Cabal -- which are a majority of banks in the world -- can be utilized as a short-term means of quickly getting currencies out into the world, into the hands of the masses by utilizing the current banking system/structures/businesses ... if any of the banks want to stay alive and function at all.


According to Karen Hudes, many people are working on the problem of the Cabal's takeover/domination of the current system that is active right now, so I'm trying to think of this existing problem from the minds of those who are working with Karen Hudes and of all the economic solutions that I can think of at the moment that may function, I can't think of a more efficient, efficacious and speedy system of economic redistribution of currencies than to take over the current centralized banking model that is active in nearly every single country and to use it to issue out currencies out into the real economies of the world ... immediately.


Debit cards can be issued to each adult in every country and each adult can withdraw any amount that they can, up to the limit of what each account would have each month. There is enough wealth in the world to handle this kind of infusion of cash into the world.


The problem is not wealth -- it's the distribution of it, the politics of it, etc.


It is essential that the current status quo of the goddamn Cabal to change massively and quickly. It seems that we are on the very verge of major, MAJOR events to soon start to unfold, events that may be termed "Major Events", starting next month, November, 2013.


A series of events that would finally usher the DEFEAT of the effing Cabal. Then following their defeat, to create a economic stabilization vehicle in which the real economies in the world would be quickly stabilized -- from the bottom up -- by issuing currencies that would be viable/useable in each respective country of the issuance of the respective currencies.


This would include the demise of the Euro and the re-creation of the national currencies of the nations of Europe.


So, I'm just thinking out loud about what form/shape a transitional system could look like and function.


I hope that the people working behind the scenes with Karen Hudes are thinking of what form the transitional economic system could take.


In ANY form of ANY reformed economic system, it is absolutely critical that any new system to be debt/usury-free ... i.e. to charge no interest for the currencies and to not impose any debt upon the recipients of the currencies.


ANY genuine reform of ANY system must start from the bottom-up and that starts by putting currencies directly into the hands of the people -- all adults in every country world-wide. All adults. Period.


This monthly issuance of currencies would replace all systems of welfare, of "benefits" from governments, Social Security, Medic Aid, (in America), etc.


Corporations

Next in line would be businesses/corporations. How would they get their funds in this transitional economy? How can we insure that any corporation would not shluff off funds from one country to the next to avoid taxation?


I propose that all corporations pay a flat, paid-upfront 9% fee for any currencies issued to any corporation, worldwide and that the corporation would repay that currency and fee back to the issuing home nation in which the respective corporation is headquartered/chartered.


The corporations' current financial accounts as they are can be grandfathered in; however, those involved in bull**** financial instruments that have nothing to do with the real economy, such as hedge funds, derivatives, etc, will have to go through a wringer and deal with a world-wide ban on such financial instruments of mass destruction.


Each corporation in every country will need to re-charter their charter with their respective home nation in which they'd be headquartered. Each corporation would lose their corporate personhood and be strictly limited to its charter, per the respective Republic that could exist in every country of the world.


All political/financial power rests in the People, so each Republic that issues its own interest/debt-free currencies would be able to limit the massive power of corporations that they have today in this tyrannical, fascistic world that's totally dominated by transnational corporations.


Today's transnational corporations HAVE WAY TOO MUCH POWER!


The People of the world must limit the power of corporations to rape, plunder and steal the assets of the People of the world, so it starts with the right kind of bottom-up re-issuance of the respective currencies of the world, then it moves on to funding the corporations of the world without entirely shutting down every corporation in the world.


The corporation model is a most efficient model of economic development that the world has ever seen, so it does not make sense to eliminate corporations ... but we MUST limit their sheer power to rip us off.


The first and most critical function is to control the issuance and control of national currencies; control of each national currency is up to the respective People of the respective nation of currency issuance.


Chartering Corporations

The second critical function is to force every corporation to re-charter with the newly-formed, People-based Republics that must replace the current state-based form of governments in the world. If a corporation does not re-charter, it cannot continue to function and to receive any new infusions of currencies of their respective nation of issuance of currencies.


Every corporation that charters would issue 9% of ownership to the respective Republic in which it charters. This ownership could ensure that the re-chartered corporations would not get out of hand and amass too much concentrated wealth/power.


9% of dividends paid out would be paid to the Republic in which the corporation is chartered and in which they will have received needed currencies. The corporation would repay the issued currencies within 5 to 10 years, thus recycling the currencies back into the Republic governments, which would then use those currencies that were created to support the function of corporations to support the functions of the Republic and the People.


Each Republic can create the means of employees to gain partial ownership of any corporation that they'd work for ... sweat equity, as it were. Something along these lines of thought can be worked out in ways that labor would not be exploited and would be rewarded for their contributions to the very existence of every corporation.


The People MUST gain the power to limit/control corporations. Corporations exist because people exist. Governments exist because people exist.


It's time that the people of the world stop being hosts upon which parasitic corporations and governments would feed until the host(s) die.


Corporations exist because People exist. Period.


Governments exist because People exist. Period.



Proprietorships


Proprietorships would function economically in similar ways of having corporations be issued flat-9%-fee currencies and to be repaid in 5 to 10 years; however, proprietorships would not need be partially owned by the People of the respective Republic. Proprietorships can be 100% owned by people themselves.


The Republic Governments


The ONLY way that each Republic can raise money is to:


1) Issue the monthly currencies to each adult inhabitant in each respective Republic that creates the broad-based economies that would support the real world in real, tangible ways.


2) To issue currencies to corporations that would pay a flat fee of 9% of the issued currencies and to repay the currencies back to the issuing Republic within 5 to 10 years. It is this issuance of currencies to corporations that is one of several key ways in which a Republic government can raise money without needing to resort to taxes that are usually tyrannical, regressive and oppressive.

The Republic can also receive 9% of the dividends that any corporation issues.


3) To issue currencies to proprietorships with similar repayment terms of corporations; the only difference is that the respective Republics would not partially own the proprietorships like they would do with corporations.



So, this is a quick, snap-shot post to plant some seeds of change that I hope to see in our world.


The idea of true, People-based Republics existing in the whole world is an idea whose time has come ... are we up to this task and once we create this dream, can we keep it?


Time will tell.


~Mozart

wolf_rt
29th October 2013, 02:55
Awesome post mate... until we have a vision of how to move forward i don't think it's going to happen.

One thing i think we need to deal with is 'jobs' and the fact that most of them don't need to be done. Many jobs are necessary of course, but the majority are nothing but 'make work' to stimulate the economy. This needs to stop, for the sake of the environment, the workers, and those who can't find work.
Most people I talk with can't comprehend a society that isn't based on financial compensation for work performed... I think this is the biggest stumbling block on the road to a better society.

in my opinion, perhaps 20% of jobs are productive and necessary... This means that the 20% of people doing productive work are carrying the 80% who aren't, AND all the corporations, AND the governments...
Compare this to the 60's when perhaps 70% of jobs were productive, employment was higher, corporations weren't out of control, and wages were about the same (adjusted) and it's easy to see why its so hard to get by.. People doing productive work are carrying the ENTIRE system through indirect taxes ect.

We need a clear vision of how to transition to a non work/currency based system.

onawah
29th October 2013, 03:18
This is such a great thing to focus on!
Instead of constantly looking at what's wrong, we need to be looking much more at how to make things right.

norman
29th October 2013, 03:26
Wherever we are trying to get to, we have to start from here.

My main concern is with disabling the current system's ability to "self-heal" at every step of our movement through "change".

doodah
29th October 2013, 16:43
Great vision, Mozart.

And don't forget: Corporations must be remade as BUSINESSES, NOT PEOPLE. What a travesty that little piece of "law" has been and continues to be. Ecuador for sure and I think Bolivia, have granted PERSONHOOD to NATURE in their national constitutions, to try to offset this nonsense that a corporation has the same rights under the law as individual living people.

Remember when Al Pacino said in that movie with Keanu Reeves, "The Devil's Advocate": "But we've got the law." They do indeed at the moment. That must change, too.

Mozart
29th October 2013, 16:53
Great vision, Mozart.

And don't forget: Corporations must be remade as BUSINESSES, NOT PEOPLE. What a travesty that little piece of "law" has been and continues to be.


Thank you, Doodah, for your input about the travesty of corporate personhood. I totally agree that corporate personhood must be done away with ASAP.


What I shared in the OP of this thread is just one fragment of my thoughts around the re-creation of our Republic that once existed under the Confederation of States that existed after the Revolutionary War and prior to the creation of the fraudulent, fatally-flawed (flawed on purpose) Constitution that was imposed upon the American people in 1787.


To get from this current debt-based, fascist-based and central-government-based world to a world that is far more real with real jobs happening -- like how wolf_rt said in his post -- is the BIG question. How will this transition happen without major, major inconveniences for far too many people.


It's like doing a heart surgery on a marathon runner while the runner is running a marathon.

Bubu
30th October 2013, 01:17
The People

The problem is not wealth -- it's the distribution of it, the politics of it, etc.

~Mozart

Thanks mate for thinking of ways to better the situation. I just hope that you are not talking of wealth in terms of money. Let us not forget that the bankers made money simply by printing them and without the backing of something of real value. In other words I hope that this money that you are talking about is representing something of real value.

I would say "redistribute the lands". Simple plan clear result.

Bubu
30th October 2013, 01:41
Here are some scenarios that could accur

Give people money; a buying spree would ensue (without much working) goods will be in short supply money lose its value.

Give people lands; they work on it to produce something that they can use to bargain for something. In short they will be in a better position to bargain and the playing will be much level. Since work is done more goods will turn out. good for all.

rgray222
30th October 2013, 03:49
I applaud you thought process, instead of just thinking that we need a revolution, what we really need is for people to think about the best type of government to be put in place. Change for the sake of change could leave people much worse off. If you don't think that is possible all you need to do is look at the recent events still taking shape in Egypt.

History is littered with leaders and countries that think they know how to do things better than the masses. This is a huge mistake and takes away people incentive to invent, create and dream about what should be. People must be and feel useful to society. People must also feel and be safe in society. This is paramount to a productive and "happy" society.

No matter what kind of government takes shape it must allow for people to express and exercise free will. Sometimes this is extremely hard for Gov't/people to understand because man often engages in self destructive behavior. Education should be paramount but not run by a single central source.

No one man or small group of women/men must control all these issue, control must be exercised by the masses and not in a true democracy because that would lead to chaos.

Theocracy, Monarchy, Democracy, Socialism, Marxism, Dictatorship and Republic have all been tried. The one form of government that comes closest to what most people want is a Republic. The beauty of a Republic is that most have a Constitution that LIMITS the power of the government. It tells the government, what it cannot do. Many people, including the current president of the United States have said they would rather have a document that tells them what they CAN do instead of a document that limits their power.

When you hear the media or politicians tell you that the Constitution (in the U.S.) is out of date or not a living document you really need to raise your alert level. These are people that want large government with broad powers. Generally these are people that think their way should be the way for all people to live and behave. This has never really worked for any extended period of time. It is also arrogant and self righteous.

The first 10 amendments to the Constitution are the Bill of Rights ratified in 1791, they encompass, freedom of speech, press & religion, right to bear arms, prevent illegal search and seizure, right to a speedy trial, prevent excessive punishment, etc etc. These rights will never go out of date and should always be available to all citizens.

The Constitution (at least of the United States) does not call for a central bank. The Federal Reserve was the start of a worldwide central banking establishment that put power and wealth into the hands of a few people and enslaved the country and the working class to eternal debt.

Granted there are problems with every form of government in the world, none has been able to find a Utopian method of governing. Eliminating the Federal Reserve and the central banks from around the globe would automatically redistribute wealth and put the power back into the hands of the people.

Very few people have ever taken the time to understand the role of the federal reserve and the world banks. If people truly understood the economic slavery caused by central banks they would be outraged. It is sad to say that even the media and most politicians have never taken the time to understand the problems central banking causes. The ones that do understand don't want change, usually because it severs their interest.

I am all for a system that does not use currency but I have yet to read, hear or even find one that could be employed on a worldwide scale.

Conchis
30th October 2013, 10:08
Part of the reason for estate taxes....now renamed to protect the rich... "death taxes" was to prevent the build up of wealth in a small group of people. They could work hard, enjoy life the way they wanted, but it wasn't going to grow with each generation until a few families owned it all.....that tax has been severely restricted