Red Ice Radio ~ Russell Brand's Fantasy of a Socialist Egalitarian Utopia

[giovonni]

A Special Commentary For Your Inspection Folks ...

Published on Oct 28, 2013

"In a recent diatribe on BBC, Hollywood actor Russell Brand with Jeremy Paxman spoke candidly about his desire to create a "Socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth and heavy taxation of corporations." In this commentary we question Brand's so called "good intentions" and how qualified he really is to talk about these topics as a multi-millionaire. More importantly, we discuss his connection to the Fabian Socialist magazine the "New Statesman," of which he was co-editing for a week before his senseless speech and call for a revolution on TV."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COMj3Nw2c3M

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Im a Brand fan - originally I saw him as an outright Illuminati member - so I've 180'ed.

On GLP there's a thread about him being just that - and the 'new' RB is just a fake - charming us and leading us down the garden path...

I just don't agree - it feels like he is real, sincere, intelligent, lateral and love. My 2 cents. :)

[giovonni]

please note i am a humanist in my belief system and have no vectored interest in either side of this discussion... other than for us (humans) to move beyond the old systems (blame games) and onward towards new progressive and productive alternatives ... such as a new world economy based on cleaning up the mess we all have allowed for and created ... i would sense and hope that such a global incentive driven thrust would quickly emasculate those who are only war driven in consciousness... at least it would be a start and perhaps a sound reason for a new revolutionary world renaissance of sorts.

giovonni

[Taurean]

When the Cabal decide it's time to 'Cull the Herd' again they always set up a good Orator, Fall Guy/Figurehead.


Robespierre/Napoleon
Marx/Lenin
Hitler/Churchill

[giovonni]

When the Cabal decide it's time to 'Cull the Herd' again they always set up a good Orator, Fall Guy/Figurehead.


Robespierre/Napoleon
Marx/Lenin
Hitler/Churchill

that perhaps is true, but there's all kinds of figureheads and reasons for their use ...

i believe in many ways Brandon has served a purpose no matter what his personal intent is ?

[Taurean]

When the Cabal decide it's time to 'Cull the Herd' again they always set up a good Orator, Fall Guy/Figurehead.


Robespierre/Napoleon
Marx/Lenin
Hitler/Churchill

that perhaps is true, but there's all kinds of figureheads and reasons for their use ...

i believe in many ways Brandon has served a purpose no matter what his personal intent is ?

Could just be he's lit the fire.

The Newsnight Youtube video has now hit 8 million in 6 days.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Giovanni, Russell is a 'addict' like many people, he throws himself into
what he does. Watch him drinking his bottle of water or cup of tea on most of
the interviews he does. He is not a leader more of a mouthpiece , a student
who is having an impact on a generation tired of being trodden on.

He has been in the gutter and is probably only a relapse away from going
back, despite his wealth, which are the trappings of the his success. His
motivation is genuine and he is first to say he is not a 'messiah' even
though one of his tours was called the 'messiah' complex and his new
tour 'Revolution' has probably not done to bad out of this publicity.

None of the current political systems are perfect by any means , and
incentive to work and create wealth is not bad in itself as Russell has
said in other interviews. Its the redistribution that has failed, Why can't
the 1 % be happy with a million pounds or even say up to 10 million a year.

Success has been measured in £ & $ not happiness and the greater good
of society. All systems breed elites, the CIA had a policy for the corporate
take over third world countries by creating a small mega rich elite that
oppressed their own populations to open up markets and exploit raw materials.

What is not discussed in the mainstream is the real people/entities
manipulating events behind the scenes as most revolutions in the past
have been backed by some external financial power. I posted a good
article yesterday about how the CIA manipulated foreign affairs, and
other countries have done so before and will do so.


A Timeline of CIA Astrocities.....Cira 1941....1993
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64892-A-Timeline-of-CIA-Astrocities.....Cira-1941....1993-....Just-a-few-of-the-many-commited...Must-read&p=750359#post750359


You can go in many different directions with this, and it may not be
possible to create a free and caring society for all in our current
human mind set and it is why we are looking for new ideas. Look
at Russell as a person just throwing out ideas for discussion and
it has worked in stirring up a few people , but in it selfe he won't
change the status Quo , he is to easily ridiculed but lets see where
it goes and he certainly has done no harm imo.

[Hazel]

Thanks Giovanni, Russell is a 'addict' like many people, he throws himself into
what he does. Watch him drinking his bottle of water or cup of tea on most of
the interviews he does. He is not a leader more of a mouthpiece , a student
who is having an impact on a generation tired of being trodden on.



He has been in the gutter and is probably only a relapse away from going
back, despite his wealth, which are the trappings of the his success. His
motivation is genuine and he is first to say he is not a 'messiah' even
though one of his tours was called the 'messiah' complex and his new
tour 'Revolution' has probably not done to bad out of this publicity.


None of the current political systems are perfect by any means , and
incentive to work and create wealth is not bad in itself as Russell has
said in other interviews. Its the redistribution that has failed, Why can't
the 1 % be happy with a million pounds or even say up to 10 million a year.



You can go in many different directions with this, and it may not be
possible to create a free and caring society for all in our current
human mind set and it is why we are looking for new ideas.
Look
at Russell as a person just throwing out ideas for discussion and
it has worked in stirring up a few people , but in it selfe he won't
change the status Quo , he is to easily ridiculed but lets see where
it goes and he certainly has done no harm imo.


I ask you with so much scathing persecution and negativity mongering against someone of celebrity status willing to challenge the status quo... how do we expect concepts of change to reach the masses. Is it that some are so invested in their own expectations of who and how that they cannot see the wood for the trees.

[giovonni]

Note this is a good essay and i believe it fits nicely into the thrust of this thread ...

Reverse Engineering the Illuminati Mind Set http://consciouslifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/illuminati-242x136.jpg

Julian Rose

Pt.1 ‘On the Inside of Darkness’

"When a US army drone got on the wrong side of the Iranian border a year or two ago, some clever hackers found a way into its coded electronics and guided it down to earth. From there it was “taken into custody” by Iranian forces and subsequently taken apart – and a cloned version was reverse engineered into existence. At least, that is what we are led to believe.

This salutary tale provides us with an excellent template for the deconstruction of the Illuminati mind set and the reversing of its malevolent Masonic ambitions.

Firstly, though, we need to agree that there really is some form of ‘master plan’ which guides the activities of those who are intent upon taking control over of all arteries of human activity on this planet.

There is no lack of evidence pointing to the existence of a small hierarchical cabal of rabid power brokers whose influence on the workings of this planet far exceeds that of the main players in the typical competitive fields of commerce and even politics. The origins of this cabal have been traced to a small network of interlinked family bloodlines going back to – and beyond – the dominant fiefdoms of power once present in the citadels of old Europe.

A Black Nobility, as it was known, that asserts a direct hereditary line to extra terrestrial “gods” that came to this planet at least two millennia ago and set about dominating its development according to a darkly scripted and distinctly sinister plan.

A line can be traced from that time right up to present day shadowy “Godfather” figures – who stand behind all the major banking, oil, pharmaceutical and military industrial corporations of this decade.

Now, to understand the mechanics whereby this dark clan evolved its control strategies, we have to enter its domain and have a look around inside. This exercise demands a surety of touch on the part of the infiltrator as well as a well-grounded sense of the inter-connective nature of the energies that make up the total portrait of life, from the darkest to the lightest points of the spectrum.

In this case, we are going to enter – and try to gain an understanding of – the darkest end of the spectrum. This is the domain from which the Illuminati entities draw their sustenance – and if we don’t get a feel for the way it works, we can’t accomplish our mission.

We will travel a passage which directly connects the resonant light region to the morphic dark region, using a vehicle – ourselves – which remains innerly illumined throughout.

So here we go…

As we close-in on our destination, one of the first things that becomes apparent is that the behaviour of the entities who inhabit this place is marked by a certain heaviness. Where there should be movement there is instead stagnation. The entity we decide to observe is not motivated by spontaneity of any description. To function, it appears to need very little photon absorption; like fish living at the very bottom of the deep ocean.

An imploded vibrancy field draws upon low frequency carbon sources as a sustaining factor, and an inverted auroric field takes the form of a microcosmic black hole, situated below the plexus.

To this is attracted all that has failed to utilize its life potential in the outer world. Particularly in the human realm. All that has made no attempt to raise its consciousness and is therefore dependent upon the distorted consumerist miasma of daily existence. This is the source of the fuel that maintains the devouring nature of this perpetually hungry void.

As we move in closer, we can feel a certain numbness chilling the atmosphere, a blanket which cuts off incoming vibratory waves that normally interact with the inner sensitivities of conscious beings, forming the staple ingredients of our awakened lives.

Penetrating further, we allow ourselves to absorb something of “the state of being” of this entity. This manoeuvre, which is not without danger, is a prerequisite for our gaining a true understanding of the make up – the composition – of that which we are exploring.

If we can’t empathise with it – we can’t influence it.

At the centre of this strangely void and dark interior where we now are, is a sense of intense inward contraction. As though the entity is holding something within a prison of privacy, power and protection. These ‘emotions’ forming a neutron around which ‘life’ appears to revolve. This is a polarised reverse gravitational field, the opposite to that of loving sentient humans.

Now we must perform a little trick that will allow us to slip sideways through the low vibrational plasmic field of this entity; turning ourselves around on the inside so that we face the way we came in. This is so as to maintain “the connect” with the cord of umbilical light that is accompanying us at all times on this journey into the underworld.

We are performing the same role as Theseus in the Minotaur’s lair. A line from the light resonance centre is our golden thread which ensures the continuity of higher energy is never lost while on this mission into darkness. It is only when we have arrived here – on the inside of darkness – that we can start the process of reversing the sequences that lie behind the destructive behaviour patterns of Illuminati initiates.

We are called upon to set in motion the transformation of the dark gravity fields that have, up until now, been venomously sucking outside energies into their mass, obscuring the inner source of sentient compassion so that it can find no outward expression.

Now, if you have been able to follow me on this journey so far – congratulations! Stick with it, for here comes the crucial, delicate part of this operation that can set in motion a paradigm shift capable of bringing light and balance back to a deeply disturbed internal and external order.

For the Illuminati mind is caught, mostly of its own will, in an alien world that reverses the normal sequence of events. Just as the Gestapo Swastika is the reverse image of an ancient spiritual peace symbol – so the ritualistic engagement in satanic worship in which the Illuminati participate – reverses the positivity of loving emotion and hardens it into an oppositional counterpart.

In consciously entering into this domain ourselves, we experience certain patterns within this darkness that are familiar to us. That are part of our motional vocabulary.

Now this is a crucial discovery, as it means that we have penetrated a veil within ourselves that has regarded, up until now, the dark motivation that is characteristic of an Illuminati mind set – to be something wholly alien. Something that we can conveniently place outside ourselves – something “inhuman”.

As we slowly gyrate around this strange and murky environment, like an astronaut floating in outer space, we gradually detect just the tiniest ray of pure light! It’s the way that light is observed by deep sea explorers peering out of their submersibles at great depths beneath the ocean’s surface.

This discovery is of profound significance because it reveals that a “living” light element exists within the dark entity which must connect right through to the opposite spectrum: the centre of light. A not-well -understood truth that has come down to us from the great sages of the past.

Equally importantly, it reveals that the dark entities, so capable of reeking havoc on our planetary existence, also have within themselves a “divine spark” capable of transforming their crudeness – even if this spark remains almost completely smothered by the entity’s current extreme opposition to its manifestation.

Gaining the sense of recognition that this state is common to both “us” and “them” opens up a valve within us that release a pheromone of compassion. This pheromone speaks to the little photon of love that burns – up until now undetected – within the dark entity. So here we are, camped on the inside of this dark hole – and yet able to feel a waft of genuine compassion for its predicament!

Is such a thing possible?

Of course it is.

In the second that this “reconnection” is established with the little photon of light – a defining moment is catalysed. A moment so profound that it resembles the birth of the universe itself.

For it awakens the cellular tissues that lie dormant within the sleeping sentient plain of the dark entity. Without this touchpaper having been activated, we are unable to set in motion the operation that we have come here to perform.

Once a human being – gifted as all are with divine powers to take control of the greater destiny of this universe – crosses the Rubicon, and, keeping his/her divine torch burning throughout, penetrates the greater darkness and releases that which holds back its evolution into light – we will finally have fulfilled the aspirations of the great legendary heroes – King Arthur, Theseus, Orpheus, and all great mythic explorers of the underworld.

Once we have recognised and accepted that we, too, hold within our composition, the seed of darkness, the power of destruction, the capacity to exert compassion-less will power, only then can we carry though the mission that our Creator equipped us to perform.

So now, working from within this microcosmic black hole, the pheromone of our compassion helps spark within this entity a little stirring – and that stirring causes the entity to have a ‘feeling’ to which he/she is quite unaccustomed, yet which acts like an ancient memory.

You see, somewhere deep inside, this entity knows that the light which presently scares it is also its one chance for transformation and release. Release from the cold vice-like clamp which seals the heart away from love – the black hole that this entity has aligned itself with. A black hole whose imploded gravitational field is maintained via vampiric sucking on the innocent energies that can be enticed to offer themselves unto it.

And indeed, this is the horrific nature of paedophilia, archon subversions, satanic rituals and violent sustained acts of aggression and war; always with the aim of maintaining power over others. An ambition which is born out of a deep fear for the ways of truth.

As this activated photon vibration gets under way, its transformative vibratory pulse opens into the light of day that which, for so long, has festered on the bottom rung of cyclic decay.

Unlike the task given to St. George and and Theseus – it is not for us to “slay the dragon” – but to help it to know that this is not its final form. We are here to encourage that little spark of remaining light to expand and to awaken the cellular tissues, so that they can ultimately metamorphose this deathly entity into a being able to enter the higher planes of existence. A process whereby its scaly old skin will simply fall away.

I think we all know that the “us” and “them” syndrome is essentially a kind of stalemate that tends to further provoke aggressive tendencies by both parties and never reaches an empowering or satisfactory conclusion. Yet it’s tortuously difficult to get beyond this state.

The breakthrough comes when we see that we are neither divisible nor separate from those we oppose and who oppose us. And that, once whole, we can embrace the darkness and the light and find pathways towards the evolution and resolution of what otherwise appear to be irreversible and unresolvable dichotomies.

It is therefore now possible to suggest that the dark side’s attempts to crush and obliterate the thinking, feeling inhabitants of planet Earth will ultimately deny these destroyers the one means they have left to come alive and be freed.

For there is no escaping the ubiquitous and loving photon power that casts its ever broader beam over a wild yet waking world. And it is we – we human beings – who have been entrusted by our Creator with bringing about this task of transformation. So that Illuminati – with nowhere left to hide – can finally embark upon the genuine road of “illumination” or be driven into hiding ever deeper into still uncharted corners of this universe.

The ability to summon sufficient bravery to encourage the gift of light to awaken in those who we have every reason to despise, is the next great threshold in the evolution of awaking man."


Julian is an early pioneer of UK organic farming, an international activist, writer and currently President of The International Coalition to Protect the Polish Countryside. His latest book ‘In Defence of Life – A Radical Reworking of Green Wisdom’ is published this November: seewww.julianrose.info
In a follow-up essay (Pt.2) Julian will explore how aware activists “on the surface” complement the aware “diggers” who go under it. And how only by uniting these energies – within each of us – can the future be won.


source page (http://www.activistpost.com/2013/10/reverse-engineering-illuminati-mind-set.html)

[mahalall]

giovonni:i believe in many ways Brandon has served a purpose no matter what his personal intent is ?

Run the populace dry of finance and then serve the sedation of a sexed up left of left agenda.

The sparkle arises when you talk of form beyond form. Enjoying the growth of the diamond (geezer).

[Hazel]

giovonni:i believe in many ways Brandon has served a purpose no matter what his personal intent is ?

Run the populace dry of finance and then serve the sedation of a sexed up left of left agenda.

The sparkle arises when you talk of form beyond form. Enjoying the growth of the diamond (geezer).

If you would be so kind.. could you further expand at all please mahalall...
Perhaps you allude to a spiritual revolution/evolution... if so do direct us further

respectfully
H.

[Cidersomerset]

For there is no escaping the ubiquitous and loving photon power that casts its ever broader beam over a wild yet waking world. And it is we – we human beings – who have been entrusted by our Creator with bringing about this task of transformation. So that Illuminati – with nowhere left to hide – can finally embark upon the genuine road of “illumination” or be driven into hiding ever deeper into still uncharted corners of this universe.

The ability to summon sufficient bravery to encourage the gift of light to awaken in those who we have every reason to despise, is the next great threshold in the evolution of awaking man."


Thanks Giovanni a nice essay reminded me of this
little vid Orion 197 put up yesterday...


We Are Consciousness, We Are Awareness, We Are Love
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[panopticon]

I could be the leader of the revolution.
I could write my manifesto and call for higher taxes on the top 1%.
I could call for that money to be used to improve the bottom 10%'s chance at a good education, reasonable health care and housing.
I could ask everyone to cooperate together and try to get along.
I could walk from street to street inciting people to rise up against the tyrants who hold them in chains.
I could speak of being more caring and of a more inclusive spirituality that is in opposition to materialism.
I could help remove usury from the exchange of goods and services and bring about a more egalitarian society.

I could be the leader of the revolution.
I have no money.
No-one has a reason to listen to me so I'd be perfect.
I'd be buggared if I succeeded though because then in 5 years it would be claimed I was an Illuminati plant.

I could be the leader of the revolution but think I'll pass if it's all the same.

We are the revolution.
We are the manifesto.
We are the ones to enact change and challenge the oligarchs and demagogues.
We are the ones who need to cooperate and get along.
We are the ones who need to cry for change on every street corner.
We are the ones who need to bring about a more inclusive spirituality that opposes materialism.
We are the ones who need to challenge debt slavery.
We are the revolution.
We are the ones.

I stand alone.
No change is seen.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Panopticon you just made me think of something that amuses me...LOL
Not your point which is valid, but other info I'm listening to.....


Its about time we take back the word 'we' which has been hijacked from us.

I wondered why the Royals reffered to themselves as the 'Royal We' Obviously
they know the significance of the 'We to the I'


Royal we...
The majestic plural (pluralis maiestatis in Latin, literally, "the plural of majesty"), is
the use of a plural pronoun to refer to a single person holding a high office, such as
a monarch, bishop, or pope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we

http://www.opusball.org/media/auction_images/The_Royal_We_Logo_-Large.png

http://adrianblau.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/the-queen-waving.jpg


In the ionic world the essence of creation is the frequency of the spoken word
Which makes me look at many things now in a different way. Especially words
and their various meanings, which takes us back to Jordon Maxwells works
on how language is very important to the illuminate.

[mahalall]

Recap1: If you would be so kind.. could you further expand at all please mahalall...
Perhaps you allude to a spiritual revolution/evolution... if so do direct us further

To see form beyond form is a movement that opens the envelop of illusion. Those that are challenging the direction of the prison bus are by nature lightened and sparkle albeit some brighter that others-reference to being like a diamond it drawing similarity to the Vajracchedika (diamond sutra). Recommend the work of Prof Paul Harrison-but view within the present climate.

As for the flow of Russell Brand, as H.H Tensin Gyatsho writes in the opening of wisdoms eye (1966) "our highest duty as human beings is to search out a means whereby beings may be freed from all kinds of sufferings or unsatisfactory experience",
7wD2HgHCEG4

http://humanexperience.stanford.edu/diamondsutra

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

There's another relevant thing to talk about here...It must be considered.

Russel's new stand-up show is called "Messiah Complex". Think about it.

Is it possible that his political TV rant was nothing but a marketing plot, to get more media exposure by being controversial and consequently bring more people to his shows? It wouldn't surprise me...He's an actor, after all.

Is it just a coincidence that his sudden revolutionary speech and his new show and tour dates were released in a very timely manner?

Well...I don't know. We shouldn't ignore it, though. I'm not the kind of guy who easily trusts people, specially the so called "celebrities".

His socialist rant would very much impact his career negatively, however, as he's got a show that's exactly about a "Messiah Complex", his sudden incarnation of the character would only bring him financial benefits, since he managed to get a lot of media exposure from it...It went viral worldwide, which is the biggest marketing achievement someone could ever achieve nowadays.

Anyway, you can be absolutely sure that he's making A LOT of money from all of it.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Snowflower]

Panopticon really nailed it in regard to RB. He has money. He is being listened to.

I've noticed a focus on what he said was needed - socialism, etc. But he only said that after being goaded to come up with a better plan. What HIS focus was, and what ours should be in relating to him, is what he said a government should NOT be doing: destroying the planet, making the richer richer, and causing harm to the people. His real focus was the fact that the psychopaths currently running things are destroying the planet, creating more disparity between rich and poor, and hurting people. He was not focused on what to replace the system with. In fact he outright said there are greater minds than his to figure that out. He is focused on getting rid of the power structure that is destroying us.

Pretty good idea.

[Kalamos]

..........

[ulli]

A thought provoking essay (Reverse Engineering the Illuminati Mind Set). I've been wondering if some among the ranks of Darkness can be turned. Others might be beyond salvation. The invisible ones at the top.

Within each of us lies this dual potential...
rooting out, or transforming evil, must begin within the self.
Each single being is a complete universe, a mixture of sun, and moon, and stars, and even dark matter.
The path of self discovery, of that inner journey, then acts via ripple effect on the outer world,
affecting others around us, and perhaps even others who live on distant worlds.
That article was written, in my opinion, with this in mind.

[Snowflower]

There is likely no human that is beyond redemption. The key, though, is that they must initiate the desire to be redeemed. That single spark of the divine within them will not do it for them. That's where free will comes in.

[risveglio]

Panopticon really nailed it in regard to RB. He has money. He is being listened to.

I've noticed a focus on what he said was needed - socialism, etc. But he only said that after being goaded to come up with a better plan. What HIS focus was, and what ours should be in relating to him, is what he said a government should NOT be doing: destroying the planet, making the richer richer, and causing harm to the people. His real focus was the fact that the psychopaths currently running things are destroying the planet, creating more disparity between rich and poor, and hurting people. He was not focused on what to replace the system with. In fact he outright said there are greater minds than his to figure that out. He is focused on getting rid of the power structure that is destroying us.

Pretty good idea.

So his solution is to make everyone evenly poor. Great idea. Lets listen to attention addicted psychos promoting ideas of complete and total slavery that have been proven over and over again to fail. Brand is doing nothing different but stirring up the pot. A "Socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth and heavy taxation of corporations" will just be 10 times worse than what the world sees now. If that happens, I am out, been there, done that.

He needs to work out his solution before he goes about touting his theories but I have no doubt this is just a publicity stunt so he can eventually have a reality show "Bringing Chavez to America". For some reason, Socialists love that authoritarian sociopath.

[giovonni]

Hey folks,

There's another relevant thing to talk about here...It must be considered.

Russel's new stand-up show is called "Messiah Complex". Think about it.

Is it possible that his political TV rant was nothing but a marketing plot, to get more media exposure by being controversial and consequently bring more people to his shows? It wouldn't surprise me...He's an actor, after all.

Is it just a coincidence that his sudden revolutionary speech and his new show and tour dates were released in a very timely manner?

Well...I don't know. We shouldn't ignore it, though. I'm not the kind of guy who easily trusts people, specially the so called "celebrities".

His socialist rant would very much impact his career negatively, however, as he's got a show that's exactly about a "Messiah Complex", his sudden incarnation of the character would only bring him financial benefits, since he managed to get a lot of media exposure from it...It went viral worldwide, which is the biggest marketing achievement someone could ever achieve nowadays.

Anyway, you can be absolutely sure that he's making A LOT of money from all of it.

Cheers,

Raf.

:yo:

Excellent Point And Thanks For Sharing That !

Note this was my first intuitive impression of all this hype and hysteria (just PR) ... And why till now i choose to remove my energy from this controversial interview and topic... But i believe it was Caramody who expressed (on a similar thread) and i paraphrase here... That any attention given to our critical global situation and its awakening... Is a positive for both this planet and all lifeforms living upon it ...

Blessings Raf

[risveglio]

Hey folks,

There's another relevant thing to talk about here...It must be considered.

Russel's new stand-up show is called "Messiah Complex". Think about it.

Is it possible that his political TV rant was nothing but a marketing plot, to get more media exposure by being controversial and consequently bring more people to his shows? It wouldn't surprise me...He's an actor, after all.

Is it just a coincidence that his sudden revolutionary speech and his new show and tour dates were released in a very timely manner?

Well...I don't know. We shouldn't ignore it, though. I'm not the kind of guy who easily trusts people, specially the so called "celebrities".

His socialist rant would very much impact his career negatively, however, as he's got a show that's exactly about a "Messiah Complex", his sudden incarnation of the character would only bring him financial benefits, since he managed to get a lot of media exposure from it...It went viral worldwide, which is the biggest marketing achievement someone could ever achieve nowadays.

Anyway, you can be absolutely sure that he's making A LOT of money from all of it.

Cheers,

Raf.

:yo:

Excellent Point And Thanks For Sharing That !

Note this was my first intuitive impression of all this hype and hysteria (just PR) ... And why till now i choose to remove my energy from this controversial interview and topic... But i believe it was Caramody who expressed (on a similar thread) and i paraphrase here... That any attention given to our critical global situation and its awakening... Is a positive for both this planet and all lifeforms living on this planet...

Blessings Raf

Sorry didn't see this post and didn't know about Brand's already reality show but I was close. I agree that giving attention to the global situation is positive, but we really don't need anymore socialists. We have a better chance of being saved by the Galatic Federation of Light on their magical unicorns before Socialism can do anything to improve our society. Unless the government can genetically engineer us to be perfect sheep which it seems they have been doing for a while now.

[RMorgan]

So his solution is to make everyone evenly poor. Great idea. Lets listen to drug addicted psychos promoting ideas of complete and total slavery that have been proven over and over again to fail. Brand is doing nothing different but stirring up the pot. A "Socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth and heavy taxation of corporations" will just be 10 times worse than what the world sees now. If that happens, I am out, been there, done that.

No...No...Socialism can work.

The problem is that there are so many labels, misconceptions and propaganda involved, that it makes people confused.

As an example of a working model of socialist systems, you may look to the Scandinavian countries. Their Social Democracy model has been working very well along the years...It's a very healthy and efficient mix of principles taken from both socialist and capitalist philosophies. The discrepancy between the rich and middle classes up there is extremely smaller than in neo-liberal countries.

Socialism is a very broad term...There are many strands of socialist theories, some very good and some very bad.

Please, try not thinking exclusively about about Cuba, North Korea and the late Soviet Union while thinking about socialism...They are (or were) dictatorship and totalitarian systems. Totalitarianism is not necessarily a part of socialism; It can happen withing every system, including neo-liberal capitalism. Totalitarianism happens because of bad people, not bad systems.

Capitalism, the way it's been applied in neo-liberal countries such as the US is also very bad and it's beyond proven that it doesn't work, while the capitalist system if correctly applied should work.

The problem is not about the systems themselves, either socialism or capitalism. The problem is the greedy nature of human beings, who are easily seduced and subverted by power.

In theory, we could be living in a perfect society right now, independently of the fundamental system. The problem is that we're imperfect beings and we should find a system that could minimize and reduce the risk of letting such imperfections become the dominant factor.

How do we fight greed and the thirst for power within governments? We do this by creating completely transparent and independent mechanisms that would allow people to control the government, not the other way around.

Currently, people simply vote and then go on with their lives. It doesn't work. We should find a way to make people directly participate in democracy, by making every branch of the government transparent and by creating means so people could directly interfere with governmental decisions, making it impossible for our political representatives to ignore the people after the elections.

Transparency and direct participation of the people is the way to go, independently of the basic nature of a system. It would not eliminate greed, but it would make it really hard for greedy people to fulfill their plans.

Governments are very important. We should never have allowed them to become so distant of the people, so that we have lost all the possible leverage we could have.

So, socialism or capitalism, we should created mechanisms to allow people to actively participate in their governments decisions. It was quite an irresponsibility to let such important decisions be made by such a few, in the first place...We should fix that first, before we can move on to solve bigger problems.

Raf.

[risveglio]

So his solution is to make everyone evenly poor. Great idea. Lets listen to drug addicted psychos promoting ideas of complete and total slavery that have been proven over and over again to fail. Brand is doing nothing different but stirring up the pot. A "Socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth and heavy taxation of corporations" will just be 10 times worse than what the world sees now. If that happens, I am out, been there, done that.

No...No...Socialism can work.



No, it can't. It is a form of slavery.



As an example of a working model of socialist systems, you may look to the Scandinavian countries. Their Social Democracy model has been working very well along the years...It's a very healthy and efficient mix of principles taken from both socialist and capitalist philosophies. The discrepancy between the rich and middle classes up there is extremely smaller than in neo-liberal countries.



Oh please stop with Scandinavia.

http://mises.org/daily/2190

I am not sure I can respond further than this at this time because I think I know what Socialism is and you don't feel I do. Based on what you said, I don't think you have any clue what Capitalism is.

The one point is that Capitalism factors in imperfect beings into the system while Socialism just tries to force everyone to be perfect.




Governments are very important. We should never have allowed them to become so distant of the people, so that we have lost all the possible leverage we could have.

Raf.

I don't agree with this. It is governments that has made this world a disaster. I am evolving back thousands of years to a time when we didn't need them.

To me, what you are writing sounds as far fetched as my belief in God sounds to you.

[RMorgan]

Governments are very important. We should never have allowed them to become so distant of the people, so that we have lost all the possible leverage we could have.

Raf.

I don't agree with this. It is governments that has made this world a disaster. I am evolving back thousands of years to a time when we didn't need them.

To me, what you are writing sounds as far fetched as my belief in God sounds to you.

So, you don't agree with socialism, but you also don't agree with governments, which are a fundamental part of capitalism.

You feel like it would be a good thing to go back and live in tribal societies, right? I don't disagree with you about this. A lot of so called primitive societies could get a long very well without governments.

However, couldn't most of such ancient societies, such as indigenous tribes, be freely qualified as socialists or even libertarian anarchists?

Most of them didn't have a central authority figure (check); Important decisions were made by consensus (check); Their resources were all socialized (check); They didn't have the concept of private property (check) and so on...

It seems to me that such concept could very well fit within Libertarian Socialism, such as advocated by Noam Chomsky and others.

So, maybe, in your heart, you are libertarian socialist and don't even know it?

Anyway, along the centuries, societies grew bigger and such model became unfeasible. There was the need to create a representative system such as the current one. It become impossible for everyone to cast a vote about every single thing, as it used to happen in small tribal societies.

However, with the internet and modern communication, we could make it possible again if we dedicate enough time and effort to develop such idea. People could very well cast their votes about important issues weekly or monthly via internet, eliminating the need of the middle men. It sounds hard and it is hard, but it could be done.

[treeman]

Red Ice Radio....terrible, personal acts...get on to the ideas regarding several issues.
Thanks for the post
XX

[giovonni]

The thing is there is no one fit all ideology for everyone on this planet... And perhaps it's best to focus on the positives (each system could contribute) for the betterment of the whole... What's most important (in my opinion) is the mindset change of this continual wasteful/mass consumptionism being directed by multinational corporation ...

got to go guys ... be kind to each other !

[risveglio]

So, you don't agree with socialism, but you also don't agree with governments, which are a fundamental part of capitalism.



What? Governments only destroy Capitalism. Capitalism doesn't need Government. I kind of hate talking isms, lets have Freedom.



You feel like it would be a good thing to go back and live in tribal societies, right? I don't disagree with you about this. A lot of so called primitive societies could get a long very well without governments.

However, couldn't most of such ancient societies, such as indigenous tribes, be freely qualified as socialists or even libertarian anarchists?

Most of them didn't have a central authority figure (check); Important decisions were made by consensus (check); Their resources were all socialized (check); They didn't have the concept of private property (check) and so on...

It seems to me that such concept could very well fit within Libertarian Socialism, such as advocated by Noam Chomsky and others.

So, maybe, in your heart, you are libertarian socialist and don't even know it.


To some extent tribalism is ok but not exactly. I think most of us have or can easily evolve beyond seeing ourselves as race, sex, nationality, hair color, eye color, sexual orientation, or some other group, etc that was often the way tribal leaders, and now by governments of our time, use to entice their people to fight.

I do agree with Chromsky on some things but I am more of an anarchist because I think you have to have private property. You can have common or community property, but private property is pretty essential for Freedom.

[Cidersomerset]

Russell has done great work highlighting drugs awareness and
spoke in front of a select House of commons committee, which
was good. He is a comedian like Bill Hicks or George Carlin,
not quite in their league yet imo but he is still young.

Russell Brand - 2012-04-24 - Committee on Addiction (complete)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_LHuII-jYQ


This fuss reminds me of the famous clip from the life of Brian..

He's Not The Messiah ......" Brian leave that welsh tart alone".....
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An excellent recent interview that gives you a good insight into
Russells current views is his conversation with Alex Jones...

Russell Brand Blasts MSM Lies in Mindblowing Interview......

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After the interview he had Alex under his spell for a bit
which is funny to see.

Infact I have watched this interview four times in the
last couple days as I posted it on the original thread.
Alex asks many of the questions brought up over
the last few days and Russell aquits himself well imo.

[Delight]

[B]In this commentary we question Brand's so called "good intentions" and how qualified he really is to talk about these topics as a multi-millionaire. More importantly, we discuss his connection to the Fabian Socialist magazine the "New Statesman," of which he was co-editing for a week before his senseless speech and call for a revolution on TV."

I have a subscription to Redice and am very surprised that Henrik Palmgren responded this way. It seems very obvious that something in the PUBLICIST Russell Brand's presence is triggering in various ways. I live in the US and I am now aware through Redice that Sweden is under siege from the effects of the kind of socialism that is undermining their freedom. It is against the law to home school for instance and many of the people being interviewed on Redice are addressing concern for a sinister "nanny state anticulture".
Maybe this is the reason for the commentary.

Russell brand is smart, obviously personally charismatic and I feel he spoke for me. Listening to him is like listening to a very skilled coach who can rally the team. The team he has stated over and over he supports is The Egalitarian one. I can't find where he defines it. But he has also said he is in a "12 Step " program.

This experience of addiction and "giving it up" must have a basic influence on his ideas because the 12 Step program he invokes is about one of the most egalatarian structures one can imagine. everyone is an equal opportunity user or nonuser but all are addicts. One cannot sincerely embrace a 12 step spiritual path and still believe that anyone is more entitled, worthy, wealthy OR poor than another.

Surviving addiction and embrace of recovery gives people a very different perspective than one who is either still an addict in denial or are "earthlings", "earth people," "normies," or "civilians." I would suspect that it is the model of the 12 step community that Russell Brand feels into as a way humans could restore culture to sanity, NOT socialism as a "political/economic" model?

[onawah]

I was surprised at the uncharacteristic name calling and vilifying of Russell Brand by Henrik too.
Early on in the program he accuses Brand of being a cocaine addict, which is pretty slanderous, especially considering that Brand has openly come out as a recovering addict who has renounced drugs.
He insinuates that Brand is calling for bloody revolution, but from what I have gathered, Brand is calling for peaceful revolution through activism, such as Gandhi advocated.
In any case, he doesn't make any claims to being an expert in politics, but he does continually emphasize the importance of compassion and the worth and dignity of every individual, and I think he sincerely demonstrates that in the way he treats others.
Personally, I think the return of the Divine Feminine will eventually manifest similarly to the way it apparently did in ancient matriarchal cultures, where everyone's basic needs were met as a matter of course, and that was assumed to be the primary reason and grounds for human society.
In modern times, that might manifest as something like the idea of the Universal Basic Income.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income
The philosophy behind this is based on the opposite of the belief in scarcity and lack of faith in basic human nature.
It is based on the belief in every individual's unconditional right to life and the basic necessities of life, and that much of the strife and stress of living would be eliminated if people simply would no longer have to fear suffering from want.

[Andrew]

This ought to russel some feathers see what truthseekers think of this...:eek:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9blNGITe4

[Snookie]

You might want to listen to the whole Red Ice Radio video, as Henrik lives in Sweden, and directly speaks to how Socialism has adversely affected his country. He also asked why people like Brand, Springsteen and the like don't give up their wealth as a show of good faith.

He also points out that the Fabian Society who is behind the magazine Brand is co-editor of has a wolf in sheep's clothing as it's brand/mascot.

He also points out how much corruption and waste there is in big government, citing the EU as a perfect example of how the people's taxes are misused.







So his solution is to make everyone evenly poor. Great idea. Lets listen to drug addicted psychos promoting ideas of complete and total slavery that have been proven over and over again to fail. Brand is doing nothing different but stirring up the pot. A "Socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth and heavy taxation of corporations" will just be 10 times worse than what the world sees now. If that happens, I am out, been there, done that.

No...No...Socialism can work.

The problem is that there are so many labels, misconceptions and propaganda involved, that it makes people confused.

As an example of a working model of socialist systems, you may look to the Scandinavian countries. Their Social Democracy model has been working very well along the years...It's a very healthy and efficient mix of principles taken from both socialist and capitalist philosophies. The discrepancy between the rich and middle classes up there is extremely smaller than in neo-liberal countries.

Socialism is a very broad term...There are many strands of socialist theories, some very good and some very bad.

Please, try not thinking exclusively about about Cuba, North Korea and the late Soviet Union while thinking about socialism...They are (or were) dictatorship and totalitarian systems. Totalitarianism is not necessarily a part of socialism; It can happen withing every system, including neo-liberal capitalism. Totalitarianism happens because of bad people, not bad systems.

Capitalism, the way it's been applied in neo-liberal countries such as the US is also very bad and it's beyond proven that it doesn't work, while the capitalist system if correctly applied should work.

The problem is not about the systems themselves, either socialism or capitalism. The problem is the greedy nature of human beings, who are easily seduced and subverted by power.

In theory, we could be living in a perfect society right now, independently of the fundamental system. The problem is that we're imperfect beings and we should find a system that could minimize and reduce the risk of letting such imperfections become the dominant factor.

How do we fight greed and the thirst for power within governments? We do this by creating completely transparent and independent mechanisms that would allow people to control the government, not the other way around.

Currently, people simply vote and then go on with their lives. It doesn't work. We should find a way to make people directly participate in democracy, by making every branch of the government transparent and by creating means so people could directly interfere with governmental decisions, making it impossible for our political representatives to ignore the people after the elections.

Transparency and direct participation of the people is the way to go, independently of the basic nature of a system. It would not eliminate greed, but it would make it really hard for greedy people to fulfill their plans.

Governments are very important. We should never have allowed them to become so distant of the people, so that we have lost all the possible leverage we could have.

So, socialism or capitalism, we should created mechanisms to allow people to actively participate in their governments decisions. It was quite an irresponsibility to let such important decisions be made by such a few, in the first place...We should fix that first, before we can move on to solve bigger problems.

Raf.

[Delight]

The philosophy behind this is based on the opposite of the belief in scarcity and lack of faith in basic human nature.
It is based on the belief in every individual's unconditional right to life and the basic necessities of life, and that much of the strife and stress of living would be eliminated if people simply would no longer have to fear suffering from want.

After listening to the whole Redice interview, I can see where Henrik is coming from. I in the US saw how small business is next to impossible to "grow" and I do not want huge taxes and huge social programs. There could be good centralization if it wasn't about control andfocused on distribution. There are some basic questions that we need to discuss. But we are invigorated by people like RB to discuss.

Russell Brand is a spokesman. It's fair to ask whom he listens to and who is behind him. Henrik is suspicious of the intentions and I do not know what the intentions are either. Russell Brand's statements are absorbed through my own ears. I like him. It is amazing (suspicious perhaps as to WHY) RB is so effecting? What if he is actually listening to higher mind like this.....


Navajo / Hopi Prophecy of the Whirling Rainbow
"There will come a day when people of all races, colors, and creeds will put aside their differences. They will come together in love, joining hands in unification, to heal the Earth and all Her children. They will move over the Earth like a great Whirling Rainbow, bringing peace, understanding and healing everywhere they go. Many creatures thought to be extinct or mythical will resurface at this time; the great trees that perished will return almost overnight. All living things will flourish, drawing sustenance from the breast of our Mother, the Earth.

The great spiritual Teachers who walked the Earth and taught the basics of the truths of the Whirling Rainbow Prophecy will return and walk amongst us once more, sharing their power and understanding with all. We will learn how to see and hear in a sacred manner. Men and women will be equals in the way Creator intended them to be; all children will be safe anywhere they want to go. Elders will be respected and valued for their contributions to life. Their wisdom will be sought out. The whole Human race will be called The People and there will be no more war, sickness or hunger forever."

"Grandmothers spoke of the change in feelings the Children of the Earth would have during the wobble or healing process as the Whirling Rainbows permeated their dreams. They said, "Many will remember their purpose for being on this Earth Walk and will learn to develop their gifts to assist the whole of humanity. Truth will shatter the bonds of separation and goodness will prevail. Some details of Earth changes will come into the dreams of those who are being warned to move where they will be safe. Others will be told that their talents will be needed in areas where the changes occur. Everyone will have to trust their personal vision and follow their hearts in order to assist the whole. Each person will be able to use their gifts with joy and share equally in the bounty created by all those working together. The other teachings of the prophecy of the Whirling Rainbow will be released at a later time when more have awakened to the potential they carry."http://www.manataka.org/page495.html

I hold out that the Universe supports the "whirling rainbows".
What we do now socially is not supporting of the basics, creativity, health, well being, wisdom IMO. I think we deserve to make a break for sane, loving human society. WE learned all we need from the old one of punishing disconnection from our roots! I believe in the shift and the Benevolence behind the appearances. I believe I feel much happier listening to RB and that counts positively to get through my day.

But I may be influenced so question?
FYI, I am posting a video that Henrik referenced.

Myron C fagan-Red Stars Over Hollywood

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Actually I hope he might interview Brand.
I like what Onawah said....

[giovonni]

i believe it's safe to say (from my observations) what needs to be noted and realized with Henrik and his partner Lana Lokteff obvious bewilderment in these regards is ...

Henrik and Lana are (and have been) both adamantly critical in the ways the Swedish government have handled the growing problems within the country's socialistic system ... Also both of these individuals have been addressing these issues for years with little attention outside the alternative media circuit... So i imagine with all the excellent work they have produced over the years... Seeing the massive response and attention Russell Brand is getting by just doing an off the wall msm interview... Well need i say more ... But i sense like many of us here ... It's all good in the long view ...

[childs hood end]

yes its very strange how out of character Henrik is towards russels character... and his girlfriend (I think) just throwing in low shots every chance she could, sounded more like a personal attack on russel and not just his point of view.
isn't it also true that anyone jumping on the russel brand band wagon will also achieve huge publicity, (this cant be over looked)

I am sure there's loads of highly intelligent people in this world that can come up with many new system's that work for everyone's best interests, including the planet.

one other thing I have always found strange is the red ice creations and radio 3fourteen sites logo pics.... both look like the all seeing eye. ( also david icks peoples voice logo)
I like ick and Henriks sites... just saying what I see.

as for russel being a recovered smack head.... what an achievement.... after personally seeing so many fail and my fair share of funerals, I for one applaud him for this.
at least when he speaks of this subject its from experience... ders no better teacher.

is he guilty til proven innocent or innocent til proven guilty... who knows ? only time will tell.

[risveglio]

I am going to try to listen to this again. I've always had a hard time listening to Brand but he is going to get a lot of calls for people being his champion. I guess we will see if this is a stunt or not. Even if it is a stunt, we can see how open minded he is to solutions.

Molyneux responded to his video but everybody seems to have an opinion about Molyneux so I don't know if you can listen to him fairly.

ltiviifnA_E

[Debra]

i believe it's safe to say (from my observations) what needs to be noted and realized with Henrik and his partner Lana Lokteff obvious bewilderment in these regards is ...

Henrik and Lana are (and have been) both adamantly critical in the ways the Swedish government have handled the growing problems within the country's socialistic system ... Also both of these individuals have been addressing these issues for years with little attention outside the alternative media circuit... So i imagine with all the excellent work they have produced over the years... Seeing the massive response and attention Russell Brand is getting by just doing an off the wall msm interview... Well need i say more ... But i sense like many of us here ... It's all good in the long view ...

I am with Lana and Henrik on this one Gio. If people think that the socialism model is picture perfect in Sweden! they are fooling themselves. I do not have a problem with the founding values of socialism per se but how it has evolved in Sweden or rather how it has been manipulated to mind control and socially engineer the population in recent years has been disastrous. The open door policy that continues to bring in thousands of new immigrants each year and from Moslem countries especially has created a social nightmare. Extremists and violence have indeed taken hold in quite a few towns and cities and in my experience, it has been ethnic swedes - and I don't mean a handful - who once were holding the doors open - they are the ones who now feel scared for their future. Yet the government and system will punish anyone who decides to speaks out on this elephant in the room issue. This is just but one problem with the socialist system. What it is doing to the economy and to assets and resources that swedes have worked so hard to build is a disgrace.

[Snookie]

I like what Clif High has to say:

"In past, controlled and planned, revolutions, a small group of like-minded, idological zealots push, shoved, and agit-prop'ed a sufficient portion of the sheeple herd into violent actions that were then steered by the minion/dogs of the TPTB toward their desired end.

This new revolution is begun not from any small centralized group of common minded zealots, but springs in great diversity from within humanity. This new revolution is a self organizing collective that is NOT intent on violence, but rather true change. The former produces a new political regime that may last a few decades, that is all; true change will bring humanity as a species forward to a new appreciation of our collective destiny that will propel us for an epoch.

This revolution will be messy, dischordant, chaotic, complicated, complex, divergent, engaging, compelling, transforming, and, hopefully, fun.

It need not be violent.

In fact, the revolution now cannot be stopped. We humans have reached a point in time and collective awakened mass that the 'end result' is now under the control of its own momentum. The information war has been won. As has the revolution that follows (underway currently), all that remains is the doing of it."

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/essays/debate.html

[sian]

we are our experience, whether remembered or not. this is the paradox we all face. labels and demons behind the curtain of such not realized of the overall picture. passion in belief and the forthright to make a difference using the tools of the day can be embraced as a step forward, however ridiculous they may seem at the time, ultimately moves the wheels forward for further development. wherever the inspiration comes from can lead to the betterment of ALL by a virtue of throwing out elements no longer a service to ALL and a step forward toward a winning goal, a fine tuning of the rest, as is evident here, by the means of each party willing to take a chance on gaining that ultimate score.

[Dorjezigzag]

i believe it's safe to say (from my observations) what needs to be noted and realized with Henrik and his partner Lana Lokteff obvious bewilderment in these regards is ...

Henrik and Lana are (and have been) both adamantly critical in the ways the Swedish government have handled the growing problems within the country's socialistic system ... Also both of these individuals have been addressing these issues for years with little attention outside the alternative media circuit... So i imagine with all the excellent work they have produced over the years... Seeing the massive response and attention Russell Brand is getting by just doing an off the wall msm interview... Well need i say more ... But i sense like many of us here ... It's all good in the long view ...

I am with Lana and Henrik on this one Gio. If people think that the socialism model is picture perfect in Sweden! they are fooling themselves. I do not have a problem with the founding values of socialism per se but how it has evolved in Sweden or rather how it has been manipulated to mind control and socially engineer the population in recent years has been disastrous. The open door policy that continues to bring in thousands of new immigrants each year and from Moslem countries especially has created a social nightmare. Extremists and violence have indeed taken hold in quite a few towns and cities and in my experience, it has been ethnic swedes - and I don't mean a handful - who once were holding the doors open - they are the ones who now feel scared for their future. Yet the government and system will punish anyone who decides to speaks out on this elephant in the room issue. This is just but one problem with the socialist system. What it is doing to the economy and to assets and resources that swedes have worked so hard to build is a disgrace.

We had a so called socialist government in the Uk before our current conservative (right wing) government, essentially they are no different. Who ever we vote for makes little difference, the corporations run the show now as they increasingly do in Sweden. Forced mass immigration has nothing to do with socialism, this is something desired by the corporations for cheap labour.

Most of the world is essentially corporatist now, which is of course fascism

I have traveled a lot around the world and although Scandinavia has its problems, and increasingly so, it is still in my opinion one of the nicest environments to live. There is a greater sense of equality, with more people receiving a living wage. USA is nice if you have money, but if you don't it is hell on earth, a company I worked for had a head office in Detroit and it was worse than a lot of the third world countries i have traveled and worked in.



The big problem in the world is now monopolizing corporations, wealth disparity. I personally am suspicious of government and a large state but how are we to bring the corporations under control without govt intervention.

They desire wage disparity because poor people are more easily controlled. this is an actual corporatist agenda. A great book to read on how this has been done around the world is Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine.

Ultimately I belief that the solution we find will not be a political system but a spiritual one. So too much argument and focus on political systems is a distraction. Although I think if we can remain respectful to one another it can lead to the common ground where we can all thrive and flourish.

[Jake]

Hey folks,

There's another relevant thing to talk about here...It must be considered.

Russel's new stand-up show is called "Messiah Complex". Think about it.

Is it possible that his political TV rant was nothing but a marketing plot, to get more media exposure by being controversial and consequently bring more people to his shows? It wouldn't surprise me...He's an actor, after all.

Is it just a coincidence that his sudden revolutionary speech and his new show and tour dates were released in a very timely manner?

Well...I don't know. We shouldn't ignore it, though. I'm not the kind of guy who easily trusts people, specially the so called "celebrities".

His socialist rant would very much impact his career negatively, however, as he's got a show that's exactly about a "Messiah Complex", his sudden incarnation of the character would only bring him financial benefits, since he managed to get a lot of media exposure from it...It went viral worldwide, which is the biggest marketing achievement someone could ever achieve nowadays.

Anyway, you can be absolutely sure that he's making A LOT of money from all of it.

Cheers,

Raf.

Good call, It popped into my mind. Perhaps the interview was scheduled to promote a new 'brand'. Russell was not performing from a cue card. He was speaking off the cuff and from the heart,,, IMHO. I do not think that the BBC would indulge in taking part in promoting a new show for him... just doesn't make sense. Good call, but I do not agree. They were expecting a lunatic,,, they prepared for a lunatic... They should have been better prepared... what is happening in the press is 'clean up' work... My instinct tells me that Brand is a problem for the Elite...

Jake.

[Snookie]

If nothing else, Brand does seem to be waking a lot of people up. He is pointing out how the media is complicit in the whole game.

[Bubu]

Success has been measured in £ & $ not happiness and the greater good
of society. .

That's how the control is done to measure success in terms of monetary. I've been telling the forum that each person have one and the same goal and that is to be Happy. we are simple deceive well most of us.

[Bubu]

Hey folks,

There's another relevant thing to talk about here...It must be considered.

Russel's new stand-up show is called "Messiah Complex". Think about it.

Is it possible that his political TV rant was nothing but a marketing plot, to get more media exposure by being controversial and consequently bring more people to his shows? It wouldn't surprise me...He's an actor, after all.

Is it just a coincidence that his sudden revolutionary speech and his new show and tour dates were released in a very timely manner?

Well...I don't know. We shouldn't ignore it, though. I'm not the kind of guy who easily trusts people, specially the so called "celebrities".

His socialist rant would very much impact his career negatively, however, as he's got a show that's exactly about a "Messiah Complex", his sudden incarnation of the character would only bring him financial benefits, since he managed to get a lot of media exposure from it...It went viral worldwide, which is the biggest marketing achievement someone could ever achieve nowadays.

Anyway, you can be absolutely sure that he's making A LOT of money from all of it.

Cheers,

Raf.

Good call, It popped into my mind. Perhaps the interview was scheduled to promote a new 'brand'. Russell was not performing from a cue card. He was speaking off the cuff and from the heart,,, IMHO. I do not think that the BBC would indulge in taking part in promoting a new show for him... just doesn't make sense. Good call, but I do not agree. They were expecting a lunatic,,, they prepared for a lunatic... They should have been better prepared... what is happening in the press is 'clean up' work... My instinct tells me that Brand is a problem for the Elite...

Jake.

If it is a marketing ploy then they must have believe that many people or the masses are into these sort of things nowadays, say waking up, that's a positive news to me.

[panopticon]

I am glad that Brand was the guest editor for one edition of the New Statesman. Yes, it was shameless promotion for both, but that is their right under any democratic system. It doesn't mean that Brand was not speaking from his heart and I believe it is important to remember that he only did it if the edition focused on revolution as he says he doesn't believe the present systems are working.

He wrote eloquently in his article (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/russell-brand-on-revolution) and bought humour to bare on some pressing issues for both society at large and the British Left in general.

His focus on spirituality in his article (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/russell-brand-on-revolution) was refreshing as was his call to the Left: 'But before we change the world, we need to change the way we think.'

He was writing of change from the grass-root not from an ivory tower. Re-localisation not yet another layer of bureaucracy.

Many people get hung up on terms and labels.

To me these serve to create division through elitism and confusion while permitting misunderstandings to run rampant.

Is it wrong to ask the 1% to pay more tax (or at least pay some bloody tax in real terms)? I say no, but the rhetoric I hear seems to argue that this is focused on small business, not the 1%.

That is rubbish spread by those who have the least to lose.

No, I don't think any of the "isms" have worked. I don't think Brand reckons they have either.

That is the guts of his article (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/russell-brand-on-revolution) and while some aspects of it I don't necessarily agree with I know who he is talking to.

He is talking to the British Left and telling them that a change in paradigm is needed if they are to remain relevant to the people they say they represent. The present system is broken, not only in England but around the world, and this is recognised by many in business as well.

The economist Alan Kohler wrote an article (http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2012/8/13/politics/moral-bankruptcy-our-ruling-classes) last year in which he said that this was a concern of all present at a major Australian business conference he had attended. He wrote: ... 'most of the world, if not all of it, is now governed by rich elites who are just out to look after themselves - oligarchies' and went on to say 'Capitalism has failed to deliver for the poor and the middle classes.'

Socialism, as it is being practised in various parts of the world, is based on centralisation of money, control and power.

Capitalism, as it is being practised in various parts of the world, is based on centralisation of money, control and power.

We are arguing like those left behind on the Titanic as to which is better to escape on, a chair or a stool...

Brand argues that this is not the question to concentrate on but still we argue about "isms" like children attached to our favourite toy.

We need to change the frame of reference, the paradigm, under which we think. As Brand points out 'apathy is the more accessible and is certainly preferable to those who govern.'

Challenging this apathy is not easy, there again why bother.

There are plenty of scraps on the floor.

[Hazel]

A refreshing post panopticon - that opens up the warps and wefts of this thread and unpicks the 'ism' neurosis chokeing the weave... so that we may breath through and imbibe of some ideation toward action.

Excuse my reiteration but no matter your basis for criticism, the voice of an establishment irritant like Russells' is a sure fire starter/a catalyst supplanter of apathy in the stinking stagnant pools of the defunct political idealogies we are steeped in. After 3 generations of mass unemployment and civil unrest over colour and many other issues in the UK.. there is a burgeoning underclass who Russells' voice echoes and amplifies. Therefore those that scoff and cherry-pick his words, be mindful and don't be too surprised if he's just the crest of an enormous wave that may soon enough sweep the world like a sunami.

Its fine to sit here and advocate with our soft flying fingers
but I ask you
are 'we'/ you / I.. really hungry enough for true change?
Look-out - many are and 'they' may take control in ways unsavoury to our utopian hopes and dreams..

:ranger::crutch:

[giovonni]

Thank you all for these great responsive post today, it is most encouraging (for me) to read and feel the new levels of awareness on this forum. i believe we all can agree that something has most definitely changed on this planet in past few years, and it's not just about weather and geopolitics. There is no doubt in my mind now, that there is more than a significant percentage (of us) around the globe (that has been called for) in commencing with a final thrust in allowing for s true paradigm shift. i realize some (here) still might not totally agree, perhaps reluctant and discouraged due to the continual deluge of negative world news along with (unfortunately)some personal misfortunes... We all have been there... But there is genuine hope abound and a realization there is no turning backward ... If the ship goes down we (all potentially) go with it... Blessings Avalonians !

[giovonni]

more gossip ...

Via Red Ice Creations ...

http://www.redicecreations.com/ul_img/27484russellbrand.jpg

Well Connected Russell Brand (http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=27485)

[Crazy Louie]

Everyone is looking for a white knight
Few are looking within
The real price for change is too high for just about everyone reading this.

Everyone wants change - but it's hard to be a change agent out in the real world - we could lose everything and would.
We can talk the talk and with the exception of a few that's 'bout it. - we tell ourselves we have changed or that we are changing - feels good to hear and say.

We are not going to change mankinds destiny - do you not understand - mankind/destiny - destiny/mankind the two things are converging - the universe is coming for us.

This ain't a movie - we don't get to be terrified and scared and then get up and leave the theater. if you learn not to panic and start yelling fire every other day and just live with the truth of the reality of our human condition. - you will see why god respects no man. and if your really awake to that - then you will see we really deserve the double whammy that is coming down the pike.

That which we do to ourselves and that of the divine. spiritual cleansing? no no - that was Noah time - the word was made flesh so we already have the ark available to us now - when the bam bam begins the very very good will die along with the very very bad - oh let me guess you fight that notion? Listen I am not trying to wake you up - your awake right? I am not trying to debate - so if you find no meaning to my cluster - let it go. I can only say something one time and even I am bored - you either get the premise or not - next time I just say it with other words and in a different way - sooner or later maybe I learn and see something new. I thank the element of human indifference for that. (matthew 10:28 - And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.)


and if this Brand fellow can do something and does make a difference well good on him - I do not know the mind of god nor can I even guess at who he might use to be his speaker - but my first impression is the guy is not too deep. anyone who has worked with alcohol or polysubstance abuse people will know - that when someone feels like they have successfully completed treatment - alot of times they will feel a calling to be a substance abuse counselor or therapist themselves. and of course this feeling can come forth in many ways. it don't usually last any more than being born again does. - just people pretending to themselves that they have changed.


Book - "Neuromancer" - by William Gibson 1984 - him describing the word cyberspace (which did not exist yet) - "A consenual hallucination experienced by billions"

[core2011]

Oh my word! Seriously??? Does is matter who he is, what he's done, who he works for, what his other shows are called.... did you agree with what he said on the Paxman interview or not? simple question? What he said was bang on the button! "Russell Brand's Fantasy of a Socialist Egalitarian Utopia" <-------- ermmmm........ kick a man for speaking his mind! Jeez honestly a guy goes on tv and talk with ultimate passion about how f$%ked this world is, how its run by villains, banks and corps and wishes equality and peace to all and BANG!!!!! HE's ILLUMINATI (well he met the queen he must be) hahahahaha brain washed by NWO for a hidden agenda..... seriously? If you "dissect all sources" then who posted this Thread? Could they be a disinfo agent to get us off the path of agreeing with Brand? I doubt it very much but c'mon. Honestly I think the world has gone mad sometimes, A guy runs into a school and kills a bunch of kids and everyone says he was brain washed and it was the NWO, seriously? Its almost like the guy is innocent wtf? If Bill Ryan did this interview with Paxman and said word for word the smae thing he would be saluted a hero no one would say a word about who he's working for blah blah blah.

I sometimes feel that the alternative community create more negative energy and evil thought process than anyone else out there. There is no "light and love" in this place only "Doom and gloom". If you believe in creating your own reality and that what you think the universe makes happen then we are all screwed because this community is yearning for it to happen so it can egotistically say "told ya so boyo!!!"....

Who cares who Brand is. What he said was true. What are you doing about it? Its a blessing he is famous and has millions. He has the fame to be heard around the World.

[giovonni]

from core2011


If you "dissect all sources" then who posted this Thread? Could they be a disinfo agent to get us off the path of agreeing with Brand?


yes i have always wondered about that giovonni guy ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00138-thinking.gif

relax mate it's only a forum ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00136-giggle.gif

[core2011]

from core2011


If you "dissect all sources" then who posted this Thread? Could they be a disinfo agent to get us off the path of agreeing with Brand?


yes i have always wondered about that giovonni guy ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00138-thinking.gif

relax mate it's only a forum ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00136-giggle.gif

Relax mate it was only an interview.

The point I was making was that the World will go mad pointing fingers

[ROMANWKT]

No one denies that what he is talking about is true and what he says about the state of affairs, but the NWO is a socialist movement, a central control of all and everyone, that is the danger here, he could be used to assist towards a violent change over by TPTB, a set-up, so slowly does it, more digging has to be done, as yet it shows the powers that people are very interested in a showdown, and they will gladly accommodate this, its what they are waiting for. so slowly does it.

Regards

roman

[onawah]

If love and light is what Avalon needs, your post is not really a step in the right direction.
There is something called false light which is what a lot of what passes for love and light, and it's very dangerous.
Avalon withstood a barrage of it for several long months not so long ago, and you won't find much of it here anymore, I'm glad to say.
But a lot of searching for truth, which is what enabled us to identify the false light and lots of other falseness.



I sometimes feel that the alternative community create more negative energy and evil thought process than anyone else out there. There is no "light and love" in this place only "Doom and gloom". If you believe in creating your own reality and that what you think the universe makes happen then we are all screwed because this community is yearning for it to happen so it can egotistically say "told ya so boyo!!!"....

.

[Hazel]

"We are not going to change mankinds destiny" -


Indeed with attitudes and values such as these we are not:



Quote: Crazy-Louie "and if this Brand fellow can do something and does make a difference well good on him - I do not know the mind of god nor can I even guess at who he might use to be his speaker - but my first impression is the guy is not too deep. anyone who has worked with alcohol or polysubstance abuse people will know - that when someone feels like they have successfully completed treatment - alot of times they will feel a calling to be a substance abuse counselor or therapist themselves. and of course this feeling can come forth in many ways. it don't usually last any more than being born again does. - just people pretending to themselves that they have changed."




Such pityful, shaming cynicism abounds and defames those that at least try to make a difference no matter what their means, history, level of motivation or stickability.

I do work hands-on in the drug and alcohol sector and such inflammatory condemnation is the very thing that deepens the stain and drives many back into the 'sollace' of their addiction(s). Whatsmore you dissmiss and trivialize those who do make a continuation of recovery long term. Russell Brand has been clean for 10yrs and uses his learning from his dark journey with substance use to inform his self-knowledge and that of others he advocates for. Journeys of pain and adversity break open access to the soul/ inner aspects of self earlier and 'deeper' than those relatively untrammelled over their lifetime(s) may ever come to know. I'm not denying the emotional arrest that manifests in chronic users.. but to say that it rights them off as a continuum in their capacity for awareness and growth is entirely misguided and harming.

Its a very sad day for me finding such negativity and undermining words here...
If your assessment Crazy-Louie is that "this guy doesn't go to deep"... while in the same sentence pillory in one broad stroke.. all those with addictions, I wager that you project your own failures of depth and "human indifference" in doing so.

And for the record, I am not responding in reactive self defense, as I am not one that works in the field due to my own substance abuse..

[Crazy Louie]

recap - I worked as a rehabilitation specialist GS-9 - I ran groups for AA and Rational Recovery for duel diagnosed (mentally ill and substance abuse addictions) vets in a VA domiciliary - for the souix from the pine ridge indian reservation I ran red road to recovery - I also worked for the department of corrections with hard core adult sex offenders - I received numberous par excellent awards and special contribution awards. ( I had a bit of the old hands on too eh) I stand by my words on Brand - If you don't like me just ignore me - no need to grind those gears as you drive over me a few times. Now - not only do I have tire marks all over my body but one of your spit bubbles is still clinging to my face.. but if your not done I will be polite and ask "may I have another?" I will let you go with the thought that right now you are the in the starring role of why mankind will never change its destiny. thank you.

[Maunagarjana]

I dig Russell Brand, and am amazed by how quick his mind is. Anyway, I'm friends with some Socialists, so I understand where he's coming from and I'm sure his heart is in the right place. If I could talk to him I guess I would point out to him that what he's talking about doesn't have to be a top down centrally planned thing, and that this has shown itself to be folly for the most part. There is such a thing as Anarcho-Socialism, that is non-Statist in its aims. Also, I would point out that the defining feature of Socialism is not central planning, but the workers owning the means of production.

However, the way I see it, until we are free from the real source of tyranny that is the current financial system, any other approach will just get hijacked by the money men. They are not Socialists. Stop with that nonsense. They are non-idealistic and they will use anything, Socialism, Captialism, you name it, to further their aims and play us against each one other. It seems to me he is waking up in his own way, but he still has a lot of that yet to do. I think he needs to spend some time with David Icke and Bill Ryan. They will sort him out. ;)

[Hazel]

And with that sincerely impressive resume Crazie Louie... no need to let me go

please expand further and explain why i'm in "the starring role of why mankind will never change its destiny".

Likewise
Thank you

[giovonni]

lots of mirroring going on today ... 30 years ago i use to work as healthcare provider in the field ... first in a large emergency department group ... then for some irratic reason decided i needed more experience (in other areas) and thus begun working on a locked psychiatric unit ... need i say for anyone working under such stresses now a days ... i can see how such discussions here could almost seem comedically maddening ... no pun intended Russell ... :rolleyes:


Well i am blaming everything on this guy today ... He's big enough to handle it ... The Sun http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00157-sun.gif

[risveglio]

I worked for had a head office in Detroit and it was worse than a lot of the third world countries i have traveled and worked in.



Detroit is the number one example of what happens when the government intervenes and puts in socialists policies. 3rd world country, yep.

Though their are also some interesting things happening now that there is practically no government.




The big problem in the world is now monopolizing corporations, wealth disparity. I personally am suspicious of government and a large state but how are we to bring the corporations under control without govt intervention.



Corporations, especially the behemoths we have now, could never exist without big government.

[Cidersomerset]

I think this is what Russell was referring to.....

Wednesday 30th October 2013 at 09:22 By David Icke

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http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

The distraction of ideology was not what he was highlighting as such
that was as he said for greater minds than his come up with. He is
just bringing it to the attention of the public in his shows.

Bear in mind if you are on a site like Avalon or Camelot you know this already.

[Delight]

I dig Russell Brand, and am amazed by how quick his mind is. Anyway, I'm friends with some Socialists, so I understand where he's coming from and I'm sure his heart is in the right place. If I could talk to him I guess I would point out to him that what he's talking about doesn't have to be a top down centrally planned thing, and that this has shown itself to be folly for the most part. There is such a thing as Anarcho-Socialism, that is non-Statist in its aims. Also, I would point out that the defining feature of Socialism is not central planning, but the workers owning the means of production.

However, the way I see it, until we are free from the real source of tyranny that is (.................................................)

I apologize for substituting a (..........) to your ideas of the real source of tyranny.
We REALLY want to understand WHERE is this tyranny coming from? Wherever it comes from, it needs mouths hands and feet to be enforced.

I say we are the agents of tyranny. We get so attached to our perceptions and the need to "be right". It messes us up philosophy wise.
Our own minds create culture based on values. For instance, remember any "gang" and the enforcement of strict adherence to a "code"?

We have to accept responsibility that we perpetuate the culture ourselves, not any other source.

It is really accurate that in the 60's the slogan "What if they gave a war and nobody came" was absurd. Plenty of people in my class wanted to be warriors despite the "alternate" infiltration of hippies. We enjoyed being hippies though which is what the history books cannot capture. We who were attracted to that set of values were happy at the time.

Side note: The idea that drugs were a cointelpro infiltration of a spontaneous wake up?
The tyranny is held up by our cut off from how we feel. Humans create the artificial.

MY OPINION is the real source of tyranny is in the realm of ideas of limitation and scarcity, selectivity and in "definitions" we make of every plan. It is found on the concept of ballet where we get a selection between a few choices...tyranny is the menu as in pick one of the following. Tyranny is MY fence, MY boundary, MY box, the hardwired knee jerk reaction I have, MY dependence on "which is right and which is wrong".

That is why I am not going to ask permission for a revolution in my mind. I am taking it to the best of my ability. That is the best that can be expected from me.

Nothing is new but the very good publicist of the moment IMO.
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[giovonni]

good shares everyone ... will add this item here ...

From John Carpenter's ~ "They Live" 1988

'the preacher man'

They Live
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Live)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kic0GGu2UnY

***********

A Commentary

John Carpenter’s Prophetic Visions of the American Police State

By John W. Whitehead


October 28, 2013

“I’m disgusted by what we’ve become in America. I truly believe there is brain death in this country. Everything we see is designed to sell us something. The only thing they want to do is take our money.”—John Carpenter

"John Carpenter’s films, known primarily for their horror themes, inevitably feature pulse-pounding soundtracks, slow-moving camera work and hair-raising jolts to the nervous system as evil pops into the foreground with unexpected intensity. However, while Carpenter’s films are also infused with a strong anti-authoritarian, laconic bent, those seeking a good scare tend to overlook the deeper, overarching themes that speak to the filmmaker’s concerns about the unraveling of our society, particularly our government.

Carpenter, as author John Muir writes in his insightful book The Films of John Carpenter, sees the government working against its own citizens. This theme features prominently in the films I explore in my new book, A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, which examines how writers and filmmakers have used science fiction to forecast the future, hold up a mirror to the present, and most important of all, engage their audiences in a critical dialogue about what happens when power, technology and militaristic governance converge. Yet even among a pantheon of dystopian films such as Minority Report, Nineteen Eighty-Four, The Matrix, and V for Vendetta, Carpenter’s work stands out for its clarity of vision.

Carpenter is a skeptic and critic. But “a close view of Carpenter’s work reveals a romantic streak beneath the skepticism,” writes Muir, “a belief down deep—far below the anti-establishment hatred—that a single committed and idealistic person can make a difference, even if society does not recognize that person as valuable or good.”

In fact, Carpenter’s central characters are always out of step with their times. Underneath their machismo, they still believe in the ideals of liberty and equal opportunity. Their beliefs place them in constant opposition with the law and the establishment, but they are nonetheless freedom fighters. When, for example, John Nada destroys the alien hyno-transmitter in They Live, he restores hope by delivering America a wake-up call for freedom.

This is the theme that runs throughout Carpenter’s films—the belief in American ideals and in people. “He believes that man can do better,” writes Muir, “and his heroes consistently prove that worthy goals (such as saving the Earth from malevolent shape-shifters) can be accomplished, but only through individuality.”

Thus, John Carpenter is more than a filmmaker. He is a cultural analyst. The following are my favorite Carpenter films.

Assault on Precinct 13 (1976): This is a remake of Howard Hawks’ 1959 classic western Rio Bravo—much beloved by Carpenter. A street gang and assorted criminals surround and assault a police station. Paranoia abounds as the police are attacked from all sides and can see no way out. Indeed, Carpenter repeatedly has his characters comment, in disbelief, that “This can’t happen, not today!” or “We’re in the middle of a city … in a police station … someone will drive by eventually!” Or will they?

Halloween (1978): This low-budget horror masterpiece launched Carpenter’s career. Acclaimed as the most successful independent motion picture of all time, the story centers on a deranged youth who returns to his hometown to conduct a murderous rampage after fifteen years in an asylum. This film, which assumes that there is a form of evil so dark that it can’t be killed, deconstructs our technological existence while reminding us that in the end, we all may have to experience Orwell’s stamping boot on our faces forever.

The Fog (1980): This is a disturbing ghost story made in the mode of Alfred Hitchcock’s The Birds (1963). Here the menace besieging a small town is not a pack of winged pests but rather a deadly fog bank that cloaks vengeful, faceless, evil spirits from which there may be no escape.

Escape from New York (1981): This is the ultimate urban nightmare. A ruined Manhattan of the future is an anarchic prison for America’s worst criminals. When the U.S. president is captured as a hostage, the government sends a disgraced, rebellious war hero into Manhattan in what seems to be an impossible rescue mission. In fact, this film sees fascism as the future of America.

The Thing (1982): Considered by many as one of Carpenter’s best films, this is a remake of the 1951 sci-fi classic of the same name. A team of scientists in a remote Antarctic outpost discover a buried spaceship with a ravenous, mutating alien that eventually creates a claustrophobic, paranoid environment within their compound. The social commentary is obvious as the horrible creature literally erupts and bursts out of human flesh. This film presupposes that increasingly we are all becoming dehumanized. Thus, in the end, we are all potential aliens.

Christine (1983): This film adaptation of Stephen King’s novel finds a young man with a classic automobile that is demonically possessed. The car, representing technology with a will and consciousness of its own, goes on a murderous rampage. Do we now face the same possibility with the emergence of artificial intelligence?

Starman (1984): An alien from an advanced civilization takes on the guise of a young widow’s recently deceased husband. The couple then takes off on a long drive to rendezvous with the alien spacecraft so he can return home. Surprisingly, as John Muir recognizes, this film is a Christ allegory with the alien visitor possessing extraordinary powers to heal the sick, resurrect the dead, and perform miracles. The question posed is whether the only hope for humanity is a visitor from another world.

They Live (1988): This film, which I explore in greater detail in A Government of Wolves, assumes the future has already arrived. John Nada is a homeless person who stumbles across a resistance movement and finds a pair of sunglasses that enables him to see the real world around him. What he discovers is a monochrome reality in a world controlled by ominous beings who bombard the citizens with subliminal messages such as “obey” and “conform.” Carpenter makes an effective political point about the underclass (everyone except those in power, that is): we, the prisoners of our devices, are too busy sucking up the entertainment trivia beamed into our brains and attacking each other to start an effective resistance movement.

In the Mouth of Madness (1995): A successful horror novelist’s fans become so engrossed in his stories that they slip into dementia and carry out the grisly acts depicted in his books. When this film was being conceived, politicians were criticizing horror movies for promoting violence. Carpenter parodied this argument while noting that evil grows when people lose “the ability to know the difference between reality and fantasy.” As we lose ourselves in ever-evolving technology, we are increasingly blurring that distinction. Does that mean evil will eventually overcome us all?

As freedom crumbles around us, why do “we the people” allow it to happen? As the Bearded Man in They Live tells us:

The poor and the underclass are growing. Racial justice and human rights are non-existent. They have created a repressive society and we are their unwitting accomplices . . . They are dismantling the sleeping middle class. More and more people are becoming poor. We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery.

Thus, in Carpenter’s view, the real enemies of freedom—the real aliens—are us. As one of Carpenter’s characters concludes in They Live: “Maybe they’ve always been with us…those things out there. Maybe they love seeing us hate each other; watching us kill each other off; feeding on our own cold…hearts.”

The lesson: they live, because we sleep. Time to wake up."

source page (https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/john_carpenters_prophetic_visions_of_the_american_ police_state)

[Delight]

The only truly workable social system is one that includes the value of living with pets. And system that limits access to pets is a failed one. What is better for pets to thrive defines the most workable solutions.

I want to paraphrase Rumi as interpreted through a Russell Brand question.....

Out beyond the fence of right and wrong, there is a field. I will meet you there IF I can bring my dogs.

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[Delight]

Discernment

Posted October 30, 2013 by laura bruno

http://laurabruno.wordpress.com/2013/10/30/discernment/


As humans, we love the world of Forms, the Platonic Ideals. Our souls crave Ideals and sniff for distant whiffs of a long, lost Garden of Eden or Atlantean Paradise. Oh, how we long for that smell, that memory! We want it so bad we can almost taste it. Must taste it. Oh, we’re so hungry for it, aren’t we? We’re so hungry that some of us would even settle for a genetically modified, laboratory invented, artificial flavor instead of the real, whole food. “What difference does it make?” We are dying for something — anything — that we can associate with the missing element. Anything that remotely reminds us of our soul. Even an inferior, toxic, artificially flavored, colored and engineered substitute.

Effective scriptwriters know this. They’ve purposely starved our society of soul, leaving most people vulnerable to addictions, deceptions and manipulations.

You can break the habit, though. You can upgrade your consumption — and thereby upgrade your output. Feed your soul, and you won’t feel so vulnerable. Read actual myths and real (not Disney-fied) fairy tales, and you’ll start to correct your myth deficiency. You’ll also reclaim forgotten pieces of your soul, which allow you to heal from personal and societal trauma.

They say, “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Haven’t we had enough empty revolutions? Aren’t we tired of latest-greatest’s that leave us in the same, old underlying state of starvation? Aren’t we ready for something with appealing flavor and substance? As with food, homegrown evolutions offer the most security. If you don’t know the farmer, and you don’t know the company, then how do you know that prepackaged “food” will sustain you? If you don’t recognize agendas, and you don’t analyze ingredients, then how do you know you want to swallow that “revolution”? You are what you eat. Best to grow your own or know the growers. Then you know for sure what’s in it.

I don’t approve of the personal jabs in the following Red Ice discussion; attacking people instead of their ideas weakens an otherwise cogent analysis. I don’t claim to know Russell’s intentions, but I do recognize the script and where it’s headed. Personally, I’ve read that script, seen the flick, watched the reruns, mouthed the punchlines, memorized the soundtrack, anticipated the action figures at Walmart — and I’m bored.

[Maunagarjana]

I dig Russell Brand, and am amazed by how quick his mind is. Anyway, I'm friends with some Socialists, so I understand where he's coming from and I'm sure his heart is in the right place. If I could talk to him I guess I would point out to him that what he's talking about doesn't have to be a top down centrally planned thing, and that this has shown itself to be folly for the most part. There is such a thing as Anarcho-Socialism, that is non-Statist in its aims. Also, I would point out that the defining feature of Socialism is not central planning, but the workers owning the means of production.

However, the way I see it, until we are free from the real source of tyranny that is (.................................................)

I apologize for substituting a (..........) to your ideas of the real source of tyranny.
We REALLY want to understand WHERE is this tyranny coming from? Wherever it comes from, it needs mouths hands and feet to be enforced.

I say we are the agents of tyranny. We get so attached to our perceptions and the need to "be right". It messes us up philosophy wise.
Our own minds create culture based on values. For instance, remember any "gang" and the enforcement of strict adherence to a "code"?

We have to accept responsibility that we perpetuate the culture ourselves, not any other source.

I get that. Really, I do. I was just trying to point out that after some major alterations of our financial system there would be an entirely different landscape where we can actually talk about improving life on Earth. Anything short of that is treating symptoms not the underlying disease. And I'm not saying that is the only disease we've got. It's just a mighty big one.

[Kiforall]

This young man seems to be very thorough on his research in other area's of the 'Agenda' I've never got any bad vibes from him. Worth listening to IMO.

Some highlights from when swilliamism was on Dark City Radio on 29th October 2013 with Joel Blacker the Dark City Astrologer.

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[giovonni]

will share this here ...

Russell Brandwagon, CIA Healthcare, Food Stamp Riots - New World Next Week

Published on Oct 31, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQlKZyS4KOA

[giovonni]

more controversal talk ...

The latest from Red Ice Radio

Thomas Sheridan ~ The “Brand” New Purple Pill

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:ear: Listen here hour one (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/10/RIR-131030.php)

Go here for hour two (http://rediceradio.net/radio/2013/RIR-131030-thomassheridan-hr2.mp3)

[Cidersomerset]

I posted this on the other thread......


Re: REVOLUTION..Vibrant/provocative interview...Russell Brand interviewed by Jeremy Paxman BBC Newsnight

Nice to see continued debate, this is an article from the

http://s.huffpost.com/images/v/logos/bpage/uk.gif?31

31 oct 2013


Robert Webb another British comedian guest editing the New Statesman mag ( good publicity for that mag..LOL )

Rebukes Russell Brand For 'Political Revolution'

Vid and statement on link ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/31/robert-webb-russell-brand_n_4180398.html?ncid=webmail11


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Robert Webb and Russell Brand


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Robert Webb, left, rejected Brand's claim that 'revolution is un-British'. Photograph:
Dan Wooller/Philip Toscano/Rex Features/PA


The comedian Robert Webb has accused Russell Brand of political "timidity" for not
voting and calling on other people not to vote, and suggested that he should better
educate himself by reading "some ****ing Orwell".

Webb, best known as one half of the comedy double act Mitchell and Webb,
castigated Brand for an essay he wrote as guest editor of the New Statesman,
which he ended by stating: "I will never vote and I don't think you should either."

Writing a response piece in the current edition of the magazine, the Peep Show
actor criticised Brand for effectively "telling a lot of people that engagement with
our democracy is a bad idea".

Webb, who said Brand's article had provoked him to rejoin the Labour party,
expressed particular concern about the message Brand was sending to his young
fanbase. He added: "That just gives politicians the green light to neglect the
concerns of young people because they've been relieved of the responsibility of
courting their vote.

"Why do pensioners (many of whom are not poor old grannies huddled round a
kerosene lamp for warmth but bloated ex-hippie baby boomers who did very well
out of the Thatcher/Lawson years) get so much attention from politicians? Because
they vote."

Webb personally accused Brand of political "timidity" for failing to vote, arguing
that this was a key way to object to many of the policies that he objects to, such as
George Osborne's challenge to the European Union's proposed cap on bankers'
bonuses.

Implying that Brand's political rhetoric was more style than substance, Webb also
took issue with his claim that "revolution is un-British", arguing that the English
invented it in the modern era when Charles I was beheaded in 1649.

Webb writes: "We got our revolution out of the way long before the French and the
Americans. The monarchy was restored but the sovereignty of our parliament,
made up of and elected by a slowly widening constituency of the people, has never
been seriously challenged since then. Aha! Until now, you say! By those pesky,
corporate, global, military-industrial conglomerate bastards! Well, yes. So national
parliaments and supernational organisations such as the EU need more legitimacy.
That's more votes, not fewer."

The comedian praised Brand for being "a wonderful talker" but archly noted
that "on the page you sometimes let your style get ahead of what you actually
think".

"In putting the words 'aesthetically' and 'disruption' in the same sentence, you
come perilously close to saying that violence can be beautiful. Do keep an eye on
that. Ambiguity around ambiguity is forgivable in an unpublished poet and expected
of an arts student on the pull: for a professional comedian demoting himself to the
role of 'thinker', with stadiums full of young people hanging on his every word, it
won't really do."

Webb concludes by questioning Brand's avowed belief in God and his desire to find
a "luminous connection" beyond himself through revolution. "We tried that again
and again, and we know that it ends in death camps, gulags, repression and
murder. In brief, and I say this with the greatest respect, please read some
****ing Orwell."

His upbraiding of Brand comes after Jeremy Paxman accused the comedian of being
a "trivial man" in a fierce exchange on Newsnight last week.

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2013/oct/30/robert-webb-russell-brand-vote
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Political revolution 'ends in death camps, gulags, repression and murder': Robert
Webb responds to Russell Brand's call for his fans not to vote
The Peep Show star said he decided to rejoin the Labour Party after reading Brand's
article in the New Statesman

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/political-revolution-ends-in-death-camps-gulags-repression-and-murder-robert-webb-responds-to-russell-brands-call-for-his-fans-not-to-vote-8914129.html


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Then answered it the next post..LOL

Re: REVOLUTION..Vibrant/provocative interview...Russell Brand interviewed by Jeremy Paxman BBC Newsnight....



The views of Robert Webb above are shared by many people still living in the mainstream bubble.
He has conveniently forgot the stop and search policies especially ethnic communities and all
the other abuses encroaching on our freedoms in the name of 'Terror' etc and all the millions
around the world who die in infancy and are living below the poverty line, child labour, sweat shops,
child abuse , trafficking, drugs and the 1001 things going on around the globe.

Yes Britain is a lovely place if you have a home and a job , but Russell is trying to highlight
the growing gap between the haves ( which includes himself ) and the growing inequality.
He may not have expressed it right, and a bloody revolution is not what he is asking for. Just
shows we have a long way to go yet.

[Cidersomerset]

Just saw this on Davids site...


Friday 1st November 2013 at 06:02 By David Icke

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And one to pounder also on Davids site..


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[giovonni]

Great shares Mr Cid'Man ...

Note ~ there's things about Russell that i really admire ... But your post really settled it for me ...
i am a huge Mitchell and Webb fan ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00136-giggle.gif

Mitchell and Webb ~ Kill The Poor


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

[Cidersomerset]

Great shares Mr Cid'Man ...

Note ~ there's things about Russell that i really admire ... But your post really settled it for me ...
i am a huge Mitchell and Webb fan ...

Mitchell and Webb ~ Kill The Poor

Their new series the Ambassadors which is very good, but crosses
all the moral lines in a classic 'parody' in the monty python tradition.
But still misses something ....LOL

Though they do highlight the corruption in the post communist era
replaced by a 'democratic dictator' that's appropriate to this debate.

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Episode 1 & 2 on BBC I player...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03gm3cf/Ambassadors_The_Princes_Trousers/

[Dorjezigzag]

Great shares Mr Cid'Man ...

Note ~ there's things about Russell that i really admire ... But your post really settled it for me ...
i am a huge Mitchell and Webb fan ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00136-giggle.gif

Mitchell and Webb ~ Kill The Poor


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

Mitchell and Webb came into comedy the 'establishment' way, they both were members of the Cambridge university footlights club.

It is funny how so many 'comedians' on the BBC have gone to either Oxford or Cambridge. The top, establishment university's in the Uk related to Yale and Harvard in the US. Actually a lot of them I really like including Monty Python, The comic strip and Mitchel and Webb, but its funny how it is almost like the skull and bones of Uk comedy.;)

I think we should consider that public figures with influence are part of some agenda, without getting to paranoid about it all, but for me Webb pulls up more red flags than Russell Brand, although I still give Webb the benefit of the doubt and enjoy his shows.

I think Webb has taken Russell Brand out of context and not really listened to what Russell has so eloquently communicated.

The fact is in the UK it makes no difference who you vote for, there is the same corporatist agenda whoever gets in. Voting is never going to make a change, unless someone can step forward who can stand up to the corporations.

If someone of real substance was there then we can talk, but come on Avalon everyone knows that the whole pony show of 'elections' is rigged and it is even worse in the USA

want to draw attention to this part of Webb's article


Webb concludes by questioning Brand's avowed belief in God and his desire to find
a "luminous connection" beyond himself through revolution. "We tried that again
and again, and we know that it ends in death camps, gulags, repression and
murder

Actually communism which spawned the gulag , is the "religion" of materialism: i.e., it maintains that the material world is all there is, that Spirit does not exist.

What Russel is talking about has no connection with that system. People need to start listening to what he is saying before they are to quick to judge.

By the way, Orwell was a socialist

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Dorjezigzag some good points, its inevitable people interpret things different
from whatever perspective they are coming from. I think Russells views are valid
and have been overblown, but it has sparked debate.

I watched BBC Question Time last night, which I still do to shout at the 'muppets' LOL
But it is the system we are currently in and the Labour MP responding to a topic
about the working population of the country, honestly pointed out the Tory,Liberal
and himself on the panel were all white male oxbridge educational clones.

The system has allways been skewed toward a particularly educated elite and
is why many people feel left out as Russell and many others have pointed out.

[giovonni]

in many ways it's good exercise in debating and regurgitating upon all these recyclable ideologies ...

just as long as one remembers (this is) what they usually have resulted in and to ...

note this symbolic (and ironic) real estate sign ...

http://i52.tinypic.com/2a4pyy1.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Giovonni this is the full show that has been put on u'tube already, it has
definitely got under their skin, as they don't normally post both hours of
a recent show, and although its a hard listen I agree with most of what
they are saying . But it seems like we are on slightly different
frequencies , like Chinese whispers. We all watched the same thing and got
a different message. Of course socialism will ultimately create the
same elite class's as the current paradigm. The other thread about elites

Vatican Eyewitness: Pope Benedict XVl Murdered Child In Ritual Sacrifice

The elite bloodlines who have come down from Babylon and beyond have
been one step ahead of us. The 'illuminati' only means they were educated
and could read and write and had access to hidden knowledge. Its only
the last 50 years that education has been available to the masses.

Yes education has been is geared towards churning out a certain kind
of economic slave, but it has also given our generation much more
than our ancestors and with the web we can highlight things as never
before. Sure the elite are going to try and stop it , or lead it either by ridicule,
infiltration, stealth or clampdowns. But I don't think Russell is a knowing
mouthpiece.



Red Ice Radio - Thomas Sheridan - Hour 1 & 2 - The "Brand" New Purple Pill

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Published on 1 Nov 2013


Thomas Sheridan is an artist, writer and musician from Ireland. He is the author of Puzzling People:
The Labyrinth of the Psychopath and The Anvil of the Psyche. We'll discuss Russell Brand's interview
on British Brain Control (BBC) where he advocated a SOCIALIST EGALITARIAN system based on the
massive redistribution of wealth to solve today's political problems. We'll talk about why a socialist
egalitarian system will most definitely not solve problems or free the people. Thomas explains how
Russell Brand, the arm chair socialist, is not waking people up. Brand is put on the TV screens to
placate the ones already 'awake', and to put you back to sleep in the belief that this is some kind
of victory. It's isn't - it is showbiz being used as a social engineering tool yet again. We'll talk about
Brand's connections, including The New Statesman, started by the Fabian Society, the London
School of Economics, symbolism around him and his ideas of a new age collective utopia. We address
the true problem and talk about the real solution. In the second hour, Sheridan explains his analogy
of the socially acceptable "Brand new purple pill," the third option now available. He speaks about how
various movements have been taken, co-opted and watered down to dampen the truth. Then, we get
into the idea of forced wealth redistribution vs. voluntary giving in a truly free society and other crimes
against nature in a socialist egalitarian system. Later, we speak about the oxytocin effects of celebrity
and powerful elite that can create hysteria.

[Phoenix1304]

Great thread. I’ve heard some Red Ice Interviews that were very good, but this ‘get on the microphone with my best friend and have a moan’ was just another extraordinary reaction to Russell’s increasing exposure. They sounded like petulant children, calling him a jerk and accusing him of only being an ‘actor’. So their opinions are more valid because?

Alex Jones was almost salivating to connect with someone that get’s a million views in moments. He obsesses about ratings like all the schills. I watched, removed, as he trotted out the usual puppets in vids promoting his own agenda, quite unrelated to what Russell was saying several times. Noted how tired and drained Russell became during the interview. Alex having the same effect on him as he does on me. But he found the moment to say ‘yes, well Alex you and I do come from different perspectives’. Any platform is a good platform for him I guess.

Russell is stirring things up all over the place. I don’t know where I read it, but I heard he had met David Icke and thanked Icke for his work to which Icke replied ‘yeah, and what are you doing about it?”. Icke has been through a mauling for decades and doesn’t appreciate the backstage whispered plaudits of public figures. It seems Russell took it to heart and I’m astounded at what he’s been doing in recent months.

I’ve been fascinated since I first saw him, when he had his hair ridiculously backcombed and talked incessantly about genitals as the host of the spin-off of Big Brother some years ago, clips of which are in one of the vids. He is more articulate and clear-headed than anyone I have ever listened to. Not bad for an ex junkie.

I’m impressed. But get this. As I watched him grope himself and be utterly absurd on the Big Brother’s Little Brother show, I had the distinct impression of him in a cowled robe, officiating at dark rituals. Prince of Darkness.

Where did that idea come from? The fear porn-mongers or Archons? I honestly don’t know.

Now we have this Jesus Christ like figure and his clear alignment to same and I cannot argue with a word he’s saying. He speaks for me and millions of of us. I feel uplifted by his presence, his authenticity, his devilish sense of humour. Have I been hypnotised?

The other vids with people’s reactions to him, tell me more about them than Russell. Egos that seek to inflate their own by bathing in his. The two public schoolboys alluding to the homo-erotic nature of his encounter with Paxman, are just who I’d imagine sitting in a gentlemen’s club in Mayfair. The Groucho Club stuff was interesting, I have to say, is there any validation of this from other sources? If David does belong to a gentleman’s club and rub shoulders with Bilderbergers we all ought to know...

All the isms under discussion haven’t worked historically, it is time for something radically new with a spiritual basis, maybe I should tweet Russell the link to The Venus Project, as the truly alternative vision of Jacques Fresco is consistently ignored and he’s probably not long for this world. Maybe we’ll start listening when he’s dead.

Meanwhile, I’ll be watching the phenomenon that is Russell Brand with continued interest.

[Cidersomerset]

Russell is stirring things up all over the place. I don’t know where I read it, but I heard he had met David Icke and thanked Icke for his work to which Icke replied ‘yeah, and what are you doing about it?”. Icke has been through a mauling for decades and doesn’t appreciate the backstage whispered plaudits of public figures. It seems Russell took it to heart and I’m astounded at what he’s been doing in recent months.

David has been on Russells radio show and TV show with Noel Gallagher, that quote does ring a bell.

[giovonni]

After several years of mingling with and listening to (up close) with many so call leaders in the 'new age' alternative movement... i sensed this inevitable crossroads coming... Some here might agree that the current situation most definitely mirrors the once - socio/political/cultural divides of the Western World's late 1960's early 70's - 'Anti War Peace Movement' ... Which was literally stopped dead in its tracks by similar means ...

Please note the potential is ripe again ...

Hopefully We Don't Get Fool Again http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00112-wondering.gif


http://uwrugby.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/hippy-yuppie1.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtHshBWFRyg)

[Delight]

Is it true?
Russell Brand as an entertainer is NOT TO BE BELIEVED because he couldn't possibly speak for himself and someone owns him?

Russell Brand was an addict and is NOT TO BE TRUSTED because he was an addict?

Russell Brand wants us to all be socialists and we all know what that means!!
Only bad guys like socialism?

PS, MAYBE Russell Brand is Rich and Despicable as he gets his money for nothing and his chicks for free?

What if we stopped talking about RB and talked about alternatives like "open source politics", something like Ubuntu, spiritual principles, what might have worked in some system some time and what do we want?
until last week, I didn't care about RB and next week it will be the same.
But how long do we want to stay insane (doing the same things over expecting different results?)


Bill Gates once derided open source advocates with the worst epithet a capitalist can muster. These folks, he said, were a "new modern-day sort of communists," a malevolent force bent on destroying the monopolistic incentive that helps support the American dream. Gates was wrong: Open source zealots are more likely to be libertarians than commie pinkos. Yet there is some truth to his allegation. The frantic global rush to connect everyone to everyone, all the time, is quietly giving rise to a revised version of socialism.

Communal aspects of digital culture run deep and wide. Wikipedia is just one remarkable example of an emerging collectivism—and not just Wikipedia but wikiness at large. Ward Cunningham, who invented the first collaborative Web page in 1994, tracks nearly 150 wiki engines today, each powering myriad sites. Wetpaint, launched just three years ago, hosts more than 1 million communal efforts. Widespread adoption of the share-friendly Creative Commons alternative copyright license and the rise of ubiquitous file-sharing are two more steps in this shift. Mushrooming collaborative sites like Digg, StumbleUpon, the Hype Machine, and Twine have added weight to this great upheaval. Nearly every day another startup proudly heralds a new way to harness community action. These developments suggest a steady move toward a sort of socialism uniquely tuned for a networked world.

We're not talking about your grandfather's socialism. In fact, there is a long list of past movements this new socialism is not. It is not class warfare. It is not anti-American; indeed, digital socialism may be the newest American innovation. While old-school socialism was an arm of the state, digital socialism is socialism without the state. This new brand of socialism currently operates in the realm of culture and economics, rather than government—for now.

The type of communism with which Gates hoped to tar the creators of Linux was born in an era of enforced borders, centralized communications, and top-heavy industrial processes. Those constraints gave rise to a type of collective ownership that replaced the brilliant chaos of a free market with scientific five-year plans devised by an all-powerful politburo. This political operating system failed, to put it mildly. However, unlike those older strains of red-flag socialism, the new socialism runs over a borderless Internet, through a tightly integrated global economy. It is designed to heighten individual autonomy and thwart centralization. It is decentralization extreme.

Instead of gathering on collective farms, we gather in collective worlds. Instead of state factories, we have desktop factories connected to virtual co-ops. Instead of sharing drill bits, picks, and shovels, we share apps, scripts, and APIs. Instead of faceless politburos, we have faceless meritocracies, where the only thing that matters is getting things done. Instead of national production, we have peer production. Instead of government rations and subsidies, we have a bounty of free goods.

I recognize that the word socialism is bound to make many readers twitch. It carries tremendous cultural baggage, as do the related terms communal, communitarian, and collective. I use socialism because technically it is the best word to indicate a range of technologies that rely for their power on social interactions. Broadly, collective action is what Web sites and Net-connected apps generate when they harness input from the global audience. Of course, there's rhetorical danger in lumping so many types of organization under such an inflammatory heading. But there are no unsoiled terms available, so we might as well redeem this one.

When masses of people who own the means of production work toward a common goal and share their products in common, when they contribute labor without wages and enjoy the fruits free of charge, it's not unreasonable to call that socialism.http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/nep_newsocialism?currentPage=all

[giovonni]

from earlier this year ...

Russell Brand And David Icke Mind Games


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42l9wfqgt14

[Cidersomerset]

Jeremy Paxmen was on the Graham Norton Chat show last night
along with Dame Judy Dench, Sir Elton John and comedian John
Bishop. He was on to promote a book and a tele series is wrote
and is going to film about WW1.

Among the frivolity of the show, John Bishop asked Jeremy a
political question and whether he would like to call some 'knobs'
when they are particularly evasive to questioning , and also
all MP's should have at least one job before running for Parliament,

Paxmen agreed to both and then went on to mention his interview
with Russell Brand in a faverouble way, saying although he did
not agree with all of what he said, he agreed with some and
could understand his point about the disconnect of many of
the electret from mainstream polititcs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03gh2bz/The_Graham_Norton_Show_Series_14_Episode_4/

[Cidersomerset]

I could not find a clip but the metro agrees...


http://s1.wp.com/wp-content/themes/vip/metrouk/img/branding/metro_logo_300x95.png?m=1363331170g

Jeremy Paxman admits he agrees with Russell Brand on The Graham Norton Show


Friday 1 Nov 2013 11:33 pm

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Paxman: I agree with Russell BrandJeremy Paxman agreed that politicians need
more real world experience (Picture: BBC)

During a rare chat show appearance on The Graham Norton Show, Newsnight host
Jeremy Paxman said he thinks Russell Brand is ‘absolutely right’ about people being
fed up with politicians.

Fellow guest John Bishop broached the topic of politicians being out of touch, at
which point Paxman brought up Brand’s recent comments to him.

Paxman seemed a little incredulous towards Brand’s calls for revolution in the
already infamous Newsnight interview, but apparently shares his frustrations.

The broadcaster told Norton how he disagrees with Brand on many things, but that
on the subject of apathy toward politics in the UK: ‘I think he is absolutely right, I
think people are fed up with posturing politicians.’

Brand became embroiled in a war of words with actor and commentator Robert
Webb earlier this week, who dismissed his calls for revolution telling Brand to ‘read
some f*cking Orwell’.

Elsewhere during the Graham Norton interview, Paxman discussed his controversial
new beard, admitted that the thought of calling irksome interviewees a
d*ckhead ‘had crossed his mind’ and played a mini game of University Challenge.

Quizzing Norton, Bishop and the show’s other guests Sir Elton John and Dame Judi
Dench on the sofa, Paxman at one particularly surreal moment wound up
shouting ‘worms worms worms worms worms!’ at the Skyfall actress, in reference
to her scoleciphobia.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/01/jeremy-paxman-admits-he-agrees-with-russell-brand-on-the-graham-norton-show-4170468/

[Cidersomerset]

Gaiam TV Mind Shift with Russell Brand and Eve Ensler

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Published on 14 Oct 2013


http://bit.ly/18mqZuw
We are facing a unique crisis as our renewed vigor for attaining enlightenment
clashes with our materialist based economy and fear-based politics. Is there a way
we can reconcile our current systems with the new spiritual paradigms? If not, how
can we reform them? Daniel Pinchbeck explores the cultural benefits of
enlightenment with comedian Russell Brand and playwright Eve Ensler in this
interview originally webcast October 15, 2013

Russell Brand offers his insightful perspectives on spirituality, economics and
politics without abandoning his unique zeal and sense of humor. It is an
entertaining and informative account on the profound benefits of individual
enlightenment. The conversation continues with Eve Ensler as they offer further
insights on reforming our fear and consumerism based cultures. Individually and
collectively, we can stop being passive and become the transformers of our own
lives.

[giovonni]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/581806_662283060458581_1760839006_n.jpg

"Humanity is completely enslaved on every level possible - physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually - by forces that are rapidly revealing themselves to the masses. Only when we become enlightened as evolving beings of consciousness, and we recognize this enslavement, can we do something about it. This is the critical role of enlightenment - to fully grasp who we are as living, breathing human beings of flesh and blood and infinite soul, and thereby recognize our connection to the divine source of unity consciousness." Michael of the family tellinger

will share this here ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sxwXjqawEw

[giovonni]

solving the problem ... taking it back ...

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1951l6jib9077jpg/original.jpg

Detroit isn't a decaying city anymore — it's a city in transition. Though its population dropped by 50 percent in the past half-century, and roughly a third of its buildings are abandoned, the place is coming to life again. Farmers are taking over the industrial wastes... Read more (http://www.nextnature.net/2013/11/turning-detroit-into-farms-and-forests/)

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Giovonni & Delight the Ubunto philosopy is a blue print to start selfe
sufficient societies starting small then growing. Its a great idea, but the mind
set of the elites would have to be greatly altered before it got past a few pilot
area of liked minded people. Still its a start.

It is similar to plajeren society as told by Billy Meier, if infact they're real and Billy
lives on a small holding himself. They have longer life spans and spend years in
study and vocation & pleasure, while contributing to the greater society in which
ever field they have chosen.Obviously they have more advanced techniches for
growing crops and manufactureetc, but basically its a co operative effort.

We are a long way from this in the capitalist system where the Market dictates your
worth whether you are a multi millionaire sportman/woman or Hollywood actor or
Royalty, industrialist or any of the recognised money earners that make up the 1%.
While the rest of us are on an ever decreasing scale to the begging bowl on the
streets or in a third world slum. How we get from where we are now to a fairer
equal society for all is still a long way off, unless some event can kick start us. like
disclosure that benevolent ET's are here and we can put all guns and violence
against our fellow man away.

Watching the news daily, shows us that's impossible, but that its the Elite control
system that has been controlling us since Babylon, this information is coming out
and if we can keep the web and forums like this going things may change quicker.
Bill has put threads up about attacks on the alternate community and there are
plenty of threads pointing out aspects of this.So bringing it back to Russell its good
he is trying to bringthis out.

[Delight]

Thanks Giovonni & Delight the Ubunto philosopy is a blue print to start selfe
sufficient societies starting small then growing. Its a great idea, but the mind
set of the elites would have to be greatly altered before it got past a few pilot
area of liked minded people. Still its a start.

It is similar to plajeren society as told by Billy Meier, if infact they real
and Billy lives on a small holding himself. They have longer life spans
and spend years in study and vocation & pleasure, while contributing
to the greater society in which ever field they have chosen.Obviously
they have more advanced techniches for growing crops and manufacture
etc, but basically its a co operative effort.

We are a long way from this in the capitalist system where the Market
dictates your worth whether you are a multi millionaire sportman/woman
or Hollywood actor or Royalty, industrialist or any of the recognised
money earners that make up the 1%. While the rest of us are on
an ever decreasing scale to the begging bowl on the streets or in
a third world slum. How we get from where we are now to a
fairer equal society for all is still a long way off, unless some
event can kick start us. like disclosure that benevolent ET's
are here and we can put all guns and violence against our
fellow man away.

Watching the news daily, shows us that's impossible, but that
its the Elite control system that has been controlling us since
Babylon, this information is coming out and if we can keep
the web and forums like this going things may change quicker.

Bill has put threads about attacks on the alternate community
and there are plenty of threads pointing out aspects of this.

So bringing it back to Russell its good he is trying to bring
this out.

Thanks for your continued postings. I noticed as I looked at the blog responders after RB was highlighted, many were sideswiped by the concern that by being supportive of RB, that meant they were supporting "SOCIALISM". I am still surprised by how Henrik Palmgren seemed to lose all objectivity in the face of that "notion". I was again disappointed by his conversation with Thomas Sheridan. It was just a knee jerk rant as far as I could hear.

Russell Brand is just a spokesman. We can enjoy his ability to speak in a clear and funny and provocative way. I believe Paxman was "influenced" in a good way by an alternative POV on how to conduct life so that one is not covered over in Ennui. He even is growing a beard (hehe...)

Russell Brand has never DEFINED socialism as far as I am concerned and the fact is he keeps talking about EGALATARIAN as his defining concept of a fair system.

In the US, we have a dictator not a nanny. The dictator tells us what we have to do but we do not have anything like the social net that Sweden has in return for out taxes. The US has all the worst parts of every system as far as I am concerned. It sucks and I am not sure that moving anywhere would be better because THEN I would be an alien and I am already as alienated as I could be where I speak the language and have friends.

So either I get involved with throwing rocks into the pond of the heavy dull historic boring and useless "culture" that I created of my own reality or die. Because people who are not happy die.

[sigma6]

Lest we forget Canada is a 'socialist leaning democracy' (puppet of the Common Wealth/Britain/England)... these are just words people, whether 'capitalist' 'socialist' 'communist' whether 'conservative' or 'liberal' they are just words. As long as you are 'intellectualizing' on these completely misleading 'vagerisms'. Then you are doing exactly what they want you... running in circles on a treadmill

Why is it common to all of these 'entities' that there is a tiny percentage of people at the top maybe 1% who have the control of a hierarchy below them that controls more then 90% of all the wealth? They do that by creating the laws that help them maintain control of the money system. Pieces of paper that the Government itself has no real control over? So if people are still arguing about these words, you're already caught in the trap, went too high up in your 'concepts' trying to define the 'system' you are trying to describe without making more simple observations at the more common level imo.

All I know if I am trading all my labour for a piece of paper, the value which I have no control over, which changes day to day, month to month, year to year. A value controlled by people who hold billions of these pieces of paper...

And through their manipulation in terms of real product the value of the US dollar today is less then 4% of what this same dollar was in 1913. We are taught money is just a means of exchange. Horsesh**! That may have been true thousands of years ago, when people were trading shells, or salt. But is certainly not true today. Money is a control system, intimately tied into the legal system, Both controlled and manipulated by an elite.

It's still the 1%. That is still the issue. What good is having a democracy, with Capitalism and 'free speech' (supposedly) If before you even start the game, 1% has over 90% of the money in the bank?

Would you play a monopoly game like that, If I told you that I was being the banker and I am going to hold 30 times more money then the other 6 players combined before the game even starts. ?????????

History has proven, when money was 'controlled' by the government (assuming it in turn is controlled by the PEOPLE) and not 'borrowed' and 'taxed' (to pay for the interest) the people prospered. Simple. Historical. Proven. Subtract the parasitic element and everyone's standard of living would increase overnight. Interest, Usury. Simple. Regardless what they teach in the Universities about Economics. That's how the PEOPLE lost control of the 'Government. Ron Paul had the solution. It wasn't pretty, but how else do you clean up 100 years of being screwed over by banking families?

Abraham Lincoln and Kennedy aren't the people who should have been assassinated. The people who should be assassinated all live in the Inner city of London and the Vatican and Washington DC and the CIA, etc. Nothing is going to change until then... There are forces trying to take the system down. How many people are awake to that... Today there is only a "hidden faction" 'White Hats'... modern day Robin Hoods of our time....

We have the internet. I think things are moving forward globally (with the exception of Africa). The US/England/France were supposed to use all the gold according to the Bretton Woods accord to better the World. In typical fashion, they just served themselves. While the world watched these gluttons stuff themselves to the gills. Now they are slowly having that responsibility taken away. (a good side to the PTB? or are they being forced? ...I think the latter...)

Hans Rosling on TED, this was posted 2007 and seems to be at 2003, looks like he isn't allowed on TED anymore, Or I haven't seen anything for the last 10 years? WHY? Maybe he's not popular enough? Doesn't have anything important to say? or maybe because he knows how to present statistics in a way people could understand... Visually... you can see why the government puppets (for the banker families) are trying to take control of the Internet...

RUwS1uAdUcI

Gapminder, the site he created back then, again since it never took off I will assume he probably got his funding greatly cut back... same story... same story... http://www.gapminder.org/

Russell Brand has nothing to do with this, except he got us talking and thinking... Russell is a real human being.

[giovonni]

i believe one must give Henrik Palmgren the benefit of his doubts in the video berate of Russell Brand .. Along with that proverbial grain of salt ... After all he was born into and lives within this so called socialistic societal utopia (called Sweden) and also has contributed immensely to the alternative media community... And i strongly feel his opinions (in these regards) should most definitely be noted here ... For me (personally) Henrik's work is most impeccable in its content.

Note ~ we are all human and will (often) react with knee jerking reactions ... :rolleyes:

[Delight]

Truthfully, my eyes glaze over when I think about "economy". Numbers, charts, legalese, all the statistics and stuff of trends leaves me physically weak and nauseated. But personally, i love money. i like holding cash and giving it in exchange for my pleasures. My problem is that I am stuck in a crevasse where I have the equal signs...money comes form labor that i do not like doing. In fact, I am about to make a big climb out of the crevasse by consulting my higher mind for inspiration on what is it that I may desire to do that will take my focus off money= work I no longer support.

This turning to higher mind for answers that will suit our individual goals is the ONE place that we are distracted form looking. You can read threads of every kind to see the limits of possibility for actualization of our lives expressed.

here is just a small story. In Atlanta at the time when blacks and whites were segregated, a woman cooked up some cosmetics in her kitchen. She peddeled them door to door. She worked hard and I also imagine the chemistry was fun for her. She probably liked meeting people and she must have had sales skills. But also, she NO DOUBT believed in her product. That is what happens when we make something and are intimately connected to our creation. She becmae one of the walthiest women in the black community. because of segregation, there was also a separate "elite" of those people who had succeeded in the economy.

So in the worst case of being black and female, she triumphed because she had something to offer that no one else had. That is contributionism as taken on by an individual. I will confess that my issue is that i have no idea what i can contribute and I have limited myself over the yeras to belief in aging, in professionalism, in the deep dar prison of "LACK" consciousness.

I believe we need to be able to startle ourselves out of an individual trance. I like the idea of Ubuntu because in it, I see that people can have the perspective of knowing each of us has a great contribution to make. People are not taught that we are worthy of self determinism that is creative. We don't really believe that all may be equally valued. We are taught to be suspicious, defensive and expecting the worst in general FOR A REASON. Ubuntu is based on the natural human generosity.

read some "LOA" literature of manifestation and one key stands out. What goes around comes around. My vibrational offering into the ringing Universe sets up a return tone than manifests my experience. It is apparent that even though some of us give a nod to the idea that all is energy in vibration, we have not used the tipping point of offering up to give what we sincerely deeply humanly wish to receive.

One of the only uses for suffering is displayed in addiction. It gets you sick and tired. Then when one gets sick and tired of that, the authentic human response is to accept and surrender up the addiction.

I believe I am an addict. I am addicted to my brain chemistry seeking its familiar tone. People like Joe Dispenza says I may change. Then when the chemistry pathway changes, that is correspondent to a vibrational change.

One can just go through the same cycle of GIFTING depression and despair and dissatisfied making do, but like a bad movie, the scenes of unhappiness will be observed.

This is to me why I came to earth...to try out stuff until it looks really like I could most enjoy. We can DO THAT! No one can teach me how to alter my own mind. My mind is my greatest gift. The mind of man is not just an EGOIC chimera but the light link that stretches way beyond the Archon band.

The mind has to be used.
So what if I never made the leap before into human based power. Now is when we make the changes.

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm weighing in on this topic because I see it as very important. Interestingly, it isn't important because it is Russell Brand.

This topic is important and should make everyone stop and discern carefully, and see the traps people fall into so easily, as well as recognizing "gatekeepers" who are performing the job of discrediting anything helpful that may come along. You don't have to be paid or even aware that you are gatekeeping to be a gatekeeper.

Finally, in the US, there is an issue that needs to be examined: can socialists and right-libertarians find common ground and coexist? Otherwise, that will be the focal point of any civil war, not the people against the Ruling Elite (as it should be.)
* Note that the word "Libertarian", in most of the world, describes a socialist. In the US, an opposite meaning and leaning has sprung up, and so US libertarians are mostly right-libertarians. Hopefully, that helps non US citizens understand what US citizens are talking about.

Here are two good, short articles that I agree with:
Russell Brand-Bashing and the Left’s Preferred Powerlessness -By: Nat Parry Thursday October 31, 2013 8:19 am
http://my.firedoglake.com/natparry/2013/10/31/russell-brand-bashing-and-the-lefts-preferred-powerlessness/


"A recent viral video of British comedian Russell Brand taking on a smug and dismissive BBC Newsnight interviewer by the name of Jeremy Paxman, and ending with Brand making a fervent case for social revolution, has had a surprisingly substantial impact, grabbing the attention of Facebookers, Tweeters, independent journalists and mainstream media alike.

Although certain establishment gatekeepers eagerly took it upon themselves to denounce Brand’s remarks as “trivial” and “half-baked,” many others warmly received his call for revolution and remarkably, his radical analysis of the status quo broke through what is normally a fairly strict firewall erected by the mainstream media to shield the general public from “dangerous” and “subversive” ideas."
... (more)The New Left: Achieving Lily White Status -by John Steppling / November 1st, 2013
http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/11/the-new-left-achieving-lily-white-status-other-play-nice-and-be-better-than-thou-art-rules/


"Media Lens gets a lot of things right, and so, it is disappointing when they succumb to what is, increasingly, a tendency on the left to punish lack of purity.

Russell Brand is a comedian. I have no real opinion on his value as such because I’ve not really seen enough. But I did see his interview on the BBC with Jeremy Paxman. What he said was clear, honest, and, yes, obvious. That is a germane point in all this; what he said is what almost everyone should be saying. The system in place is anti-democratic, and institutionalizes inequality. Electoral politics is pointless in a system this rigged. There is nothing earth shattering about these obvious facts.
... (more)"{edit, to add}The reason I bring up the issue of right-Libertarian versus Socialist views, is because the phrase "pay taxes" is what set off a firestorm with a number of people. Even though Brand was talking about corporations paying massive taxes, many right-Libertarians want to eliminate all taxes, including taxes on corporations, and when Brand mentioned taxes, the guns got loaded and pitchforks got sharpened. The end of all taxes would be the end of all social programs, and Socialists reacted to the right-Libertarian reaction.

Dennis

p.s. It would have been good (there is still time) for some US right-libertarians to try to describe your "utopia" or what you would hope for society - in that thread I started about "Utopia" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62272-Describe-Utopia.-YOUR-own-vision-your-own-version-of-utopia) (which was a poorly chosen word.) One of the things I wanted to explore was the difference as seen from the right-libertarian perspective...and then, to see what we all have as common ground.

[childs hood end]

found this interesting from Andrew Norton weber...
he sounds a bit frustrated that he cant get icke, hancock or red ice to talk about distilled water... goes a bit further on hennie.

Another piece to the pound.

from 106 -110 min in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTtMDbMYnGM&feature=player_detailpage#t=4006

vid on this thread...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine.../page19

[risveglio]

p.s. It would have been good (there is still time) for some US right-libertarians to try to describe your "utopia" or what you would hope for society - in that thread I started about "Utopia" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62272-Describe-Utopia.-YOUR-own-vision-your-own-version-of-utopia) (which was a poorly chosen word.) One of the things I wanted to explore was the difference as seen from the right-libertarian perspective...and then, to see what we all have as common ground.

It's hard to describe Freedom to those that can't see it or are too scared to try to vision it. When there are no rulers, anything is possible.

I was trying to find a good quick article and ran across this quote by an anonymous anarchist that describes the way I think and also why utopia doesn't fit.

"We don’t want a perfect world — we want a genuine and free world — one which has been realized time and time again by human beings who have accepted the fact that perfection does not exist. We want a world where we are free to experience and embrace our imperfections, our true selves. "

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-anarchy-against-utopia

[transiten]

No political system will work without a higher spiritual perspective. I live in Sweden and the Social democracy became more and more corrupt and now we have a Right winged govt that ruins whatever good intentions there were from the beginning when pple voted for socialism or for that matter communism in Sweden reacting to the corruption of the Reactionary right Winged and the Social Democracy.

Sweden is the most "loyal underdog" of the US, allowing training camps of NATO into the North of Sweden and being the main helper with the NSA-surveillance. Our Prime and Foreign ministers even find it "natural" to be surveilled by the US and don't take a stand against it. Sweden is becoming a vasall state to the US.

The xenofobic "Swedish Democrats" with dark roots in the Nazi movement now is in the parialment and Norway just changed from Social Democracy to the Right Winged supported by a xenofobic party and Finland also has a "Blue" government and a strong xenofobic "True Finlandians" party. Only Denmark is governed by the Social Democrats but also has a strong xenofobic party. I don't know about Island, can't even google for info, strange, Mercury retrograde indeed.

Talking about spirituality in connection with politics is taboo in Sweden. If you do you will be regarded as less intelligent. Even the "Christ Democrates" don't mention their religious beliefs, (if they have any, maybe it's just to catch the votes of those who have?) It's All About The Money Perspective.

The Green party is rather strong in Sweden but as soon as they came into the parliament they have to compromise. The "Left Winged, former Communists" are now the Social Democrats" since the Soc.Dem. has drifted to the right and the Right winged have stolen the name of the Social Democrats calling themselves "The New Workers Party" It's hilarious, we are just waiting for them to sing "The Internationale" and Joe Hill (the Swede who started the trade unions in the US by singing together with the workers) on their meetings:sing::loco:

Spiritual understanding and perspective is lacking and for sure as different as our views here are on Avalon, just imagine out there in The Cold! That said doesn't mean there are not pple with a spiritual perspective; the unorthodox spirituality is steadily growing both superficial promoted by false gurus and serious "believers" but is kept strictly personal. If one throws UFO:logy:ufo: into the mix the belitteling and debunking is even worse even if pple start to talk about these things on some radio shows.

[Wind]

I have to agree with that, Transiten. Almost same story here in Finland. We now have a capitalist right wing government and a right wing puppet president who is bowing towards USA. Our previous social democrat female president who served for two terms wasn't even ever invited to the White House. Our health care system is basically free, but otherwise it's a mess and the authorities now admit it. Most time people with illnesses don't get the right treatment, they are prescribed only certain kind of pills or treatments that don't really work. True healthcare can be found in the alternative places and it's might not always be cheap...

Things are seemingly well here, but it's just an illusion. I've lived most of my life in a country which has been suffering from recession. Things were financially well in the late 90's and early 2000's, but now for years again our goverment hasn't had the money it needs. Basically the rich keep getting richer and the poor getting poorer... People can't buy as much as they could before due to inflation, so that's why they eat more unhealthy cheap food. Though thankfully organic food has become a little cheaper, but it's still probably too expensive for the poorest. It's a dark and a could country for half of the year. What people like to do here is to bury their heads in the sand and drink beer. Not much else seems to matter to them.

If you want to find good sides about this country... Well, no one has a shortage of good unfluoridated water, no famine, mostly no GMO food, zero earthquakes, no tornadoes, you can educate yourself for free (to find yourself unemployed after that), no severe storms, not that much crimes compared to the rest of the world, no power outages ever in the capital where I'm living, and a fast and a good internet quality. Last but not least, summer is really a nice time around here with all the scenery... Especially in the countryside.

It seems that all political system are able to be corruptable with the current human mindset, because our minds are being corrupted. Without more spiritual truths revelead there will never be a truly equal and a working system. There will be always someone who is getting less and suffering.

[giovonni]

interesting item ...

http://www.streetnewsservice.org/umbraco/ImageGen.ashx?image=%2Fmedia%2F3111108%2Freuters_swedish_equality_fades_away_as_rich_get_richer.jpg&height=330&width=540&Pad=true
Ahomeless man sleeps on the street in Stockholm, in the past 15 years Swedon has seen the
steepest increase in enquality in all countries in the developed world
/ Photo Reuters Leif R. Jansson/Scanpix Sweden
(note circu 2012)

Why Does Sweden Have So Many Billionaires ?
High taxes and a generous welfare state are no barrier to Nordic riches. (http://www.slate.com/articles/business/billion_to_one/2013/10/sweden_s_billionaires_they_have_more_per_capita_than_the_united_states.html)

[giovonni]

It's been fifty years since i first saw this ... John Kennedy had just been assassinated ... And these lad's (and their music) got me through that difficult time ... Though now i have to admit it was all just an allusionary diversion ...

"We've got to put a lot of money into changing behavior" Bill Gates ...

:rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeqW3t6EnvU

[transiten]

interesting item ...

http://www.streetnewsservice.org/umbraco/ImageGen.ashx?image=%2Fmedia%2F3111108%2Freuters_swedish_equality_fades_away_as_rich_get_richer.jpg&height=330&width=540&Pad=true
Ahomeless man sleeps on the street in Stockholm, in the past 15 years Swedon has seen the
steepest increase in enquality in all countries in the developed world
/ Photo Reuters Leif R. Jansson/Scanpix Sweden
(note circu 2012)

Why Does Sweden Have So Many Billionaires ?
High taxes and a generous welfare state are no barrier to Nordic riches. (http://www.slate.com/articles/business/billion_to_one/2013/10/sweden_s_billionaires_they_have_more_per_capita_than_the_united_states.html)

Yes, the strategy of the Right Winged govt is taxrelief for those who work, not for those who barely survive, with the "logic" that this will create more consumption (nothing about "what kind of" consumption) thus keeping the wheels going creating more jobs for the unemployed....while work is constantly outsourced to countries with low salaries and no trade unions or human rights and allowing Europeans with the same conditions to work in Sweden which increases the xenophobia and favour the "Swedish Democrats" (many immigrants can't even tell the Social Democrats from this xenophobic party, no wonder)

[transiten]

It's been fifty years since i first saw this ... John Kennedy had just been assassinated ... And these lad's (and their music) got me through that difficult time ... Though now i have to admit it was all just an allusionary diversion ...

"We've got to put a lot of money into changing behavior" Bill Gates ...

:rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeqW3t6EnvU

"The Law of Attraction at work":suspicious: even if unintended:confused:

Funny thing is they had one of their first liveTV shows in Sweden and have stated it was the best one ever. They were totally unknown and the main attraction was a very traditional band called "Trio med Bumba" singing old timey romantic countryish songs.

[giovonni]

My thanks to you both Transiten and Cidersomerset for your insights ...

We all here can (of course) read about all this stuff in the news ...

But it takes those from living within in helping us get a better perspective of it all ...

Blessings to You Both ... :)

[Cidersomerset]

Why Does Sweden Have So Many Billionaires ?
High taxes and a generous welfare state are no barrier to Nordic riches.

It seems whatever system we are in a elite will always end up at the top fiddling
the 'purse strings ' whether thru inherited wealth, insider trading/deals,
manipulation of markets control of press and media. In the end it seems the
same in virtually every country there must be someone in the 'Palace' either
hereditary or ' democratically' put there. It seems to be the reptlian caste
structured mind set. Look at Russia and China both have mega rich elites
and very poor, North Korea has an emperor for all intent and purpose, Saudi Arabia
I last saw an article had 30, 000 in their royal family running the country 'sick' imo.

Nearly every country has something wrong in its political or establishment
bureaurcracy and we still have not got to a system fair for all . This has
been pointed out by famous phylosophers, and academics in the past
obviously ,but its the communication revolution of the last decade that
maybe the key, and is why the simmering cyber war against ordinary
people around the world communicating with each other is undermining
thousands of years of planning and control by these elite blood lines
whether backed by alien or other entities in influencing the course of
history and preventing our natural peaceful development.

When I speak to anyone around the world, my first thought is not what harm they
might do to me, but to say 'hi' and show them no human should fear another one.
I know this is a simple to say against everyday crime of murder, muggings
robberies etc.

But this is the mindset of the old and present paradigm, kept in place thru
the 'Elitist' system. We may be wrong and its all human nature and we are basically
a evil species , but I don't believe that and nor do most people in their hearts.

[giovonni]

will share this here ...

Yesterday's the past, tomorrow's the future... But today is a gift....
And that's why it's called the present ... Now lets make today better !

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/birthday/birthday-present.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84eQzfTXwCs

[RMorgan]

But this is the mindset of the old and present paradigm, kept in
place thru the 'Elitist' system. We may be wrong and its all human
nature and we are basically a evil species , but I don't believe
that and nor do most people in their hearts.

We´re not an evil species. We are animals and we are part of nature. We are what we are.

Judging us as purely evil is the same as judging a lion as evil as well.

The problem is that we fool ourselves to believe that we have much more control over our animal side than we actually do.

It's easy to pretend we have control over certain feelings if they didn't have the chance to manifest. Think about greed, as an example.

Most of us believe to have control over greed, but how many of us did really have the chance to fight greed one it has truly manifested?

It's quite easy to judge the greedy if you never had the chance to truly exercise greed.

Greed exists. It's a human feeling and the fact is that, once people have the true opportunity to exercise greed, very few are strong enough to remain incorruptible.

Ultimately, everyone, even the most corrupt human beings, think they're right. Our morals are just too much conveniently flexible, allowing to create our own ideas of right and wrong as we please.

Just ask any of these people on top of the pyramid if they believe they're wrong...

Raf.

[Cidersomerset]

will share this here ...

Yesterday's the past, tomorrow's the future... But today is a gift....
And that's why it's called the present ... Now lets make today better !



I saw a beatle item the other day and in this world of X factor overnight
success they were to gether for several years touring the small clubs
and theatres before they became a mega success...



We just had Bridgwater Guy Fawks Carnival on sat 2nd Nov a tradition
going back to the bonfires lit in pagan harvest festivals and enhanced
with the celebration of the Gunpowder plot in aprox 1605. Bridgwater
was a inland seaport and a tradition grew up setting a massive bonefire
in the town centre and an old boat was often used and paraded up the
main street by torchlight to drunken revelment over the years getting more
elaborate with the paraders separating from the crowd by donning costume,
later forming 'gangs' and decorating horse drawn tableaux and dancers
on floats. This developed into 100ft ( max by law ) 20,000 bulbs monsters today.

A parallel development started in the mid to late 18th century was the carnival
concert all amateur preformed by the local gangs and variety talent, Victorian
bands played and the groups bedecked in the costume of the theme they were
doing that year and they sang relevant songs of the day.

Anyway many people in the town got involved one way or another and I was
involved on and off from the late 1970's to late 90's and I still have friends
involved today. One year we did a tribute to beatles and had great fun, one
of the members used to video it from the lighting box so we could watch it as
it was not officially recorded which is a local social history shame for future
generations.

This is the recording of that show....I'm at the back somewhere ..LOL
Not great quality but gives a flavour..

Marketeers Stage Show 1992

zlYn9IRlfKA




last years winner was an appropriate theme for this thread...

REVOLUTION, I did a thread about it last year for fun but
no one knew what I was on about, LOl..


"Children of the revolution"............Winners 2012 Brigwater Guyfawkes Carnival...

SapIiqid1lE

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51668-Children-of-the-revolution-............Winners-2012-Brigwater-Guyfawkes-Carnival...

[giovonni]

... The problem is that we fool ourselves to believe that we have much more control over our animal side than we actually do.

It's easy to pretend we have control over certain feelings if they didn't have the chance to manifest ...

Yes i agree with this to some extent ... But my spirit (still) beckons me to adjust this human conditional flaw ...

Especially when it goes against what i consider morally bankrupt and inapt behavior...

It's truly time to evolve beyond the animal phase of this human condition.

[Cidersomerset]

We´re not an evil species. We are animals and we are part of nature. We are what we are.

This was my take basically, we are evolved from single celled animals evolving thru amphibian, reptile, mamal
until we reached an ape like ancester and eventually Homo Sapien Sapien. Which is possible and we are
just what we are with various traits from our development still inside us and until relatively recently I
would have accepted that. Although I have always had doubts and thought like all of us on these sites
there must be more.

I don't know maybe its the ion material or other views expressed I just feel we are much more.....

[giovonni]

It is (still) amazingly wonderful wandering (through and) on this cyber internet thing ... And how and by just reading others words and ideas leads me down corridors i might never have taken...

We are truly strange and fascinating Beings ...

Grimes - Genesis

Holding on
I am a vagabond
It’s always different
I am the one who falls

Holding on
I am a vagabond
It’s always different
I am the one that loves


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FH-q0I1fJY

[Cidersomerset]

I did not watch the Carnival Saturday , the weather was horrible and
i'm a little out of touch, since I've got awakened by having
access to the web in 2007 and found out so much more information
with like minded people and alternate researches. I just looked on
U'tube and whether its the sign of the times the top winning themes
for this year reflect the social outlook to some degree. It is better live.



winners....

Ramblers CC - Bridgwater Carnival 2013 'Swarm Force'


hUCaEjBdrgo




Gremlins CC - Bridgwater Carnival 2013..... 'Xtinct'
GZHiOzFdyvQ


Marketeers CC - Bridgwater Carnival 2013....'Anarchy'

M9G3DyMjYW4

[giovonni]

Thanks Cid'Man ...

We Got Our Own 'Magical Mystery Tour' Going On Here Today ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00136-giggle.gif

http://spectrumculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/magical-mystery1.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Cid'Man ...

We Got Our Own 'Magical Mystery Tour' Going On Here Today ...

Yeh I've got no idea where we are going now !!!!


The right pair of shoes can take you anywhere...

CJh59vZ8ccc


Ah, just realised Revolution was the thread I put up not this one...LOL

Nevermind ......

[transiten]

My thanks to you both Transiten and Cidersomerset for your insights ...

We all here can (of course) read about all this stuff in the news ...

But it takes those from living within in helping us get a better perspective of it all ...

Blessings to You Both ... :)

Thanks giovonni! No way, go to http://www.lunarplanner.com/Uranus-Pluto-Square/ and read about how was set in motion in the mid 60:ies is gearing up! Greetings from a Swedish senior:hippie:

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There's this Swedish musiscian/comedian Povel Ramel (now on the other side) who wrote the song "Take off your shoes" giving ex of what would happen: ex. No killing if the soldiers took off their shoes....http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CC0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzLXneV363No&ei=Q6x3Uom-NoiC4AS2i4DgAQ&usg=AFQjCNF8fzX24cl2xKFTSDEPmt2jZc6WeA&bvm=bv.55819444,d.bGE...it's in Swedish of course but just use your imagination

[giovonni]

You all have warmed my heart today and put a big smile on my face ...

i invite anyone and everyone to take it wherever ~ just do it with Love ...

So cover for me here now... i got to go ... been up most of the night ... :wave:

Shocked the Monkey !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnVf1ZoCJSo

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We´re not an evil species. We are animals and we are part of nature. We are what we are.

This was my take basically, we are evolved from single celled animals evolved thru amphibian, reptile, mamal
until we reached an ape like ancester and eventually Homo Sapien Sapien. Which is possible and we are
just what we are with various traits from our development still inside us and until relatively recently I
would have accepted that. Although I have always had doubts and thought like all of us on these sites
there must be more.

I don't know maybe its the ion material or other views expressed I just feel we are much more.....

There's this theory that our souls have incarnated in different animal bodies to experience and evolve and that extraterrestrials have been here physically to blend with us also, so yes we are Much More than we are supposed to believe, not "just animals" although that's the pejorative view from the elites on "animals"; they are equally valuable in their own right, but that's not what we're supposed to believe.

[sian]

we could learn a thing or two from these guys

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[Delight]

Russell Brand admits that money, fame and material goods were what he wanted and when he achieved them, he was not fulfilled. TM meditation did bring him benefit.

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[Delight]

Russell Brand - Daniel Pinchbeck - Graham Hancock
social and political conversation (consciousness, war on drugs)

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[giovonni]

we could learn a thing or two from these guys

-xINoemDoU0

Thanks Sian ... :hug:

it has been said ...

'One swallow does not make a summer, but one skein of geese, cleaving the murk of March thaw... Is the Spring."

[giovonni]

And i thank you Delight for sharing those revealing showcases with RB ...

One cannot fake sincerity...

And i believe Russell with no doubt has demonstrated his passion in those videos ... :)

http://i.cdn.turner.com/v5cache/TBS/Images/Dynamic/i88/jfl13_RussellBrand_715x353_050820130120.jpg

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Not sure if this has been already posted.....

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This is a good interview and shows Russell is just
a human being stating his current beliefs. Russell
reminds me a bit of David Ickes infamous
interview with Terry wogan on prime time
BBC in the 1990's when most people were
stunned that David expressed his early views.



Russell Brand Interview for THE MESSIAH COMPLEX

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Published on 24 Oct 2013


Emmy winner Jake Hamiltons sits down with Russell Brand
backstage at the Paramount Theater in Austin, Texas for an
exclusive interview about life, love and his new stand up
comedy show "The Messiah Complex" -- only on JAKE'S TAKES!
Follow Jake around the world at twitter.com/jakestakes

[jackovesk]

CONJECTURE - UNCERTAINTY - SECOND GUESSING ONESELF - :nono: - Not for me..!

I knew in a split second the (Revolutionary 'Revamped') Russell Brand was the (REAL-DEAL) and on (HUMANITIES SIDE)...:yes4:

So..............

No need to (Second-Guess) what I already innately (Knew)..!

Moral of the Story

Stop questioning your 'Intuition' when confronted with differing opinions, your intial (Gut-Instinct) is often as close to the (Truth) your gonna get...:wizard:

[giovonni]

will share this here ...

A Brand new politics: Russell Brand interview with Mehdi Hasan

Published on Nov 7, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3PalrfEF4g

[sian]

Thanks Giovonni, Russell Brand has a wonderful heart, with much wisdom behind his mischief much needed everywhere. he's lighting many peoples bulbs everywhere.:)

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Akasha posted the full Russell , Mehdi Hasan on the other thread ....


Thanks Akasha ......great interview & funny...'Don't take every word literally'.....

Word association Blair Bla Bla Bla Labour, Cameron Bla Bla Bla Conservative
Supposed to be different parties in the day, but go to the same 'parties' in
the night. Some very good satire among some trivial comedy and sharp
observations of current affairs, and exploring his higher consciousness.