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Daughter of Time
30th October 2013, 19:28
I clearly remember Halloween in a small town in Italy where I spent the first years of my life. It was well known that this was the day of dead but it wasn't frightening at all. It was mysterious. I could feel a strange power in the air but was undisturbed by it.

Those who had lost a loved one in the previous 12 months would visit the cemetery before sunset if their loved one was buried locally. They would pray and light a candle on the gravesite. At dusk they would return home to await guests. The guests would be friends who would pay their respects on such an occasion. They would arrive bearing gifts of pomegranates and/or apples, figs and nuts. The host would offer the guests a glass of red wine and they would toast to the soul of the dead and consume the food that had been brought. It was a solemn occasion even if the host occasionally became a little bit trashed on account of drinking a glass of red wine with the arrival of every guest. If a little bit of drunkenness occurred, this was considered fine since it lessened the pain of the loss and the deceased was believed to understand that this was done in their honor.

When returning home from such visits I felt the darkness heavier than ever, mystical, powerful, but never frightening.

Many people claimed to have seen their loved ones, or friends who had passed, on that particular night. This was fully accepted. Some claimed to have seen processions of souls who would then disappear into the ether. This was doubted and sometimes scoffed at.

Upon arriving in North America, Halloween was very different. The first year here, I was barely a teen-ager when little ones costumed in very peculiar threads appeared at our door: "trick or treat". We didn't know what to make of it. So it was my duty to stand at the door and say "no speak English". Later we were informed of the custom and the following year we were prepared with candy for the children. We also learned that some found pins and razor blades in apples given to the children. Much vandalism happened to cars left on the streets. It was also a night of revenge as many experienced rocks flying through their windows, breaking the glass and leaving a mess in their homes. I found it all very strange.

As a young adult, I left that small city and moved to a larger one where I still live. This season became a very fun one for me then. The parties were great! Although there was consumption of alcohol and marihuana, no one at those parties ever went out of line. The spookiness was also all in rather good taste. The costumes were very creative, but never horrific. Those who hosted those Halloween parties were mindful to keep it fun but not out of hand as none of them were fans of violence. I had been unaware of what went on at other parties and out on the streets.

In 2004 I was asked to take a young child out for "trick or treat" as the mom would be at home dishing out candy and the dad was working late. I said I'd be very happy to oblige. I was shocked as I walked through those streets holding that child's hand tightly in my own. The child was too young and dazzled by everything and fortunately not very observant of the displays. The young children were all dressed in adorable costumes: princesses, pirates, animals, and other pretty things. But the young teen-agers shocked and disgusted me. Their costumes were bloody, graphic and horrific. I won't get into details because I imagine you all know what some of those "scary" costumes look like. Some of the houses were decorated in downright disgusting fashion with severed heads and body parts. I was so disturbed by this that I remained haunted after going home. The following day I became physically ill with a very high fever which lasted days. It took me weeks to recover from that illness.

In a conversation with my dear scientologist friend, he said my reaction was most likely a re-stimulation of horrors of past lives. I accepted this as being probably true. However, it did not assuage the anger I felt at what this holiday had become.

When I finally felt better I did something which is completely out of character. I visited a psychotherapist to discuss my feelings in regards to this experience. I told him that this is no longer an acknowledgement of the passing of the body, but a glorification of horror. He listened to me and told me that perhaps I could switch my attitude by seeing it as an acknowledgement of the horrors that happen in the world, and not a glorification of if. I accepted his wisdom, still, it did not fully assuage my anger and disgust.

I fully acknowledge that many horrors, unfortunately, happen in this world, but must we "glorify" it? Is it really necessary to decorate one's home with beheadings and disembowelments? What good does this do? What good does it do to the delicate psyches of the children who witness these atrocities, even if they are only plastic? It's still disturbing. The images must remain imbedded in their minds and this cannot but disturb the minds of the little ones.

Yesterday I ran into a neighbor who has a young child. He said he'd just taken her out to select a costume for Halloween. I asked him how he felt about his daughter being exposed to the gruesome images that some display. He said he wasn't bothered by it at all because the kids love getting candy and so the tradition goes on. I asked him how his daughter felt about it. He said that the first few years she lost some sleep but now she's accustomed to it so she doesn't mind. I asked him if he thinks it's healthy for a child to become accustomed to the visions of blood and guts and gore. He said it's probably good because it sparks their imagination. But what kind of imagination does it spark? He had no answer for that but regarded my attitude as abnormal!

Am I the abnormal one here?

Just before running into my neighbor I had gone for a walk down the nature trail since it was a beautiful, sunny day. To get to the trail I have to walk down a number of streets. And so I enjoyed the decorated houses with pumpkins, cob-webs, ghosts and goblins, black cats, and even the skeletons. We all have skeletons so this I don't mind. And then I came upon a big, beautiful house with large, bloody severed head with blood vessels hanging from the neck and a horrific expression on its face. It revolted me! I kept walking to go down the nature trail where a beautiful, black cat came running to me. This was a very well taken care of cat. She wore a jewel toned flea collar with rhinestones and a metal heart attached to it with identification. I petted her and picked her up. She didn't mind. She stroked her head against my cheek as if to tell me to chill out and not pay attention to what I'd just seen. I felt this cat was communicating with me to focus on the good, like the love she was giving me, and ignore the rest. It was all very strange. But I appreciated the presence and attention of the cat.

Still, I now dread this time of year because of displays of horror. What do these people think when they're decorating their homes with body parts? Do these people completely lack mindfulness while handling decomposing corpses, albeit plastic?

Am I being completely neurotic here?

And how do you feel about the way Halloween is celebrated these days?

Confusedly yours,

Daughter of Time

LivioRazlo
30th October 2013, 19:58
I like All Hallows Eve, or Halloween as it's commonly referred to today because of just being able to dress up and have fun. I don't like however, that some costumes are very revealing in nature. Perhaps I'm just old fashioned, but, I wear a mask everyday that I am in public, so what difference does one day out of the year mean to me?

Hervé
30th October 2013, 20:26
Welcome back DoT! :)

Daughter of Time
30th October 2013, 20:31
Welcome back DoT! :)


Same to you, Amzer Zo!

Agape
31st October 2013, 00:13
Very similar . I think it's all the media industry and productions that uprooted human minds and natural rhythms out of their order .
The mystery and poetry and legends, they are long gone .. and were replaced by quanta of things , bites of information, items you can exchange for money .
Christmasses likewise turned to sort of 'family celebrations' for most people at the best, lavish feasts and shows of luxury for some , struggle to keep up with standard for others , a custom for custom.

We did not have Halloween originally but there was the All Souls Night that comes from Celtic traditions and people would simply go to light candles on graves ,
or share spooky stories .
There were Halloween carnivals and children fairs but that's about .

The media market is impossibly full of horrors nowadays, and the impact of it is what frightens me more for one keeps asking,
can all these children watching zombies , Xmen , horrid aliens , demon possessed humans , all that nicely packed to video games, figures , movies with never ending stream of violence and fright , can they really take it easy ?

I can't , I don't like those movies .

When I was kid , I was not allowed to watch horrors, classical horrors like Hitchcock till I was 12 or 13 , officially , mum would not let me. Of course I did sometimes, exactly because it was a 'prohibited fruit' and read books of all categories as soon as I found the place in library but it's in fact the only time in my life when I did not mind being spooked and felt it's interesting .
There were none of these sci-fi phantasy superhero movies or games available to us, quote 35 years ago .. and I don't think we missed it .

The 'spooks industry' , media entertainment grew over the edge in my opinion , violence is as addictive as drugs , something to do with adrenaline levels , not sure .
Mass desensitisation of people is what is happening .. so that when people encounter real violence or watch news they're able to stay numb as well .

They show horrors and violence to young children so they think it's normal and they're not overly surprised when it's happening for real somewhere in the world . They teach them violence as part of everyday life .

The desensitisation is actually very tricky process because they often become sarcastic and doubtful about psychic phenomena and genuine forms of spirituality at the same time,
movie 'shows' something . Priest or a guru is only good for them if they make shows . Wisdom is empty if it can't show off .

What TVs could not accomplish , internet did in matter of no time .. everyone is hooked , or at least so it seems and if you star to the screen too long you can't 'see things' the way you could see them before .

The amount of phantasies , mixture of dreams and illusions too seems to be taking over , young vulnerable and psychic people seem to have loads of anomalous experiences with new names they'd never have otherwise .

We won over the spooks by creating more of them ..


hope it helps ;););)

Beren
31st October 2013, 03:10
I feel it as a strange event.
It`s mostly Celtic and they had their own way of dealing of souls that passed.

But modern Halloween looks like a tasteless sick mockery of everything.

I like your opening post where the sincerity speaks.
People became dull and like in old Rome - bread and games...

Glorification of horror indeed. Not a mockery. Glorification.
Slavic people do not celebrate this holiday but they have other things going on on that day that is connected spiritually with souls. But no ridiculous parties and gory images.

Oh well, "Video killed the radio star..." and in the process it killed many more things through its venue - TV...

gdiggs
31st October 2013, 04:32
I found this to be a thought provoking political take on Halloween, repositioning the event from its more visceral engagement with notions of horror (and greed) to a necessary celebration of encountering the unknown 'Other'.

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Crazy Louie
31st October 2013, 05:47
if your a kid and your poor
halloween is great
free candy
as a kid in brooklyn with a mom living on welfare because the old man has forgotton
her and your three siblings your kind of desperate living it.
me and a good friend paul suarez go out one night early
a sunday night - halloween was on monday night
we tell people we won't be able to go out on a school night
we get lots of candy with only some dirt smeared on our cloths and faces
(we were bums) - some people didn't have candy so we said we would take coin
I think we each cleared about 5 bucks which was a goldmine back then
and candy lots of it - we just tossed the apples at buses later and maybe a glue sniffer - neither minded.
ya so halloween is cool for some poor kid living on the corner of coney island ave and cortelyou rd above the coco poodle bar

my everyday life then was going to PS 139 and learning lessons
from kids bussed in from Harlem
pretty much every day was a horror story
and halloween was like a vacation in disneyland

so I guess its all about physics
where your standing and observing the passage
of the halloween.

Daughter of Time
31st October 2013, 17:59
if your a kid and your poor
halloween is great
free candy
as a kid in brooklyn with a mom living on welfare because the old man has forgotton
her and your three siblings your kind of desperate living it.
me and a good friend paul suarez go out one night early
a sunday night - halloween was on monday night
we tell people we won't be able to go out on a school night
we get lots of candy with only some dirt smeared on our cloths and faces
(we were bums) - some people didn't have candy so we said we would take coin
I think we each cleared about 5 bucks which was a goldmine back then
and candy lots of it - we just tossed the apples at buses later and maybe a glue sniffer - neither minded.
ya so halloween is cool for some poor kid living on the corner of coney island ave and cortelyou rd above the coco poodle bar

my everyday life then was going to PS 139 and learning lessons
from kids bussed in from Harlem
pretty much every day was a horror story
and halloween was like a vacation in disneyland

so I guess its all about physics
where your standing and observing the passage
of the halloween.

Hello Crazy Louie,

I'm sorry that your childhood was so difficult and I'm glad Halloween provided you with a much welcome and needed respite.

I'm not opposed to the celebration of Halloween as long as it doesn't become a horror fest.

I'm not opposed to children collecting candy and having fun.

I'm not opposed to adults dressing up and having parties that do not get out of hand.

I'm not opposed to houses that are darkly decorated but kept in good taste.

I am simply opposed to the explicitly graphic displays of horror. There is enough horror in the world out there and I feel that, as Agape mentioned above, the horrific exhibits contribute to the desensitization of young minds whereby images of horror become normal.

I hope your life has much improved since the days you mention in your post above.

Daughter of Time

CD7
31st October 2013, 18:06
There are many levels to Halloween for me---

It is a very special time of year, past memories, the best weather...and other subtle nuances about this time that make me feel melancholy type emotions without knowing why. Orange is one of my favorite colors, so I love seeing it everywhere in pumpkins and décor around this time.
There are aspects that are less desirable for me..like the commercialism and vast waste of material for 'dressing up'. I could definitely see a different type of fall festivities without so much of the commercialism.

This video is a hoot!! Theres so much here from the way the kids react to what it means to some of them...very interesting...lol



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Earth Angel
31st October 2013, 18:08
I agree with you DoT, the emphasis on gore and guts is a bit much and I am sure terrifying for many of the little ones out trick or treating...my daughter as a little one used to be terrified of several masks that were in our house, even though she knew her dad had just put it on...she would scream and cry.
My feelings about Halloween are best described by this......

naste.de.lumina
31st October 2013, 18:25
The Halloween has never been a traditional date in Brazil.
I remember that about some 30 years ago only been heard that day in English private schools.
Currently many large commercial companies together with leading media, convey propaganda about halloween in an attempt to 'create' more festive and sales day.
The appeal is purely commercial and unsuccessful.
The average Brazilian does not need special date to party. It is natural.

chocolate
31st October 2013, 18:43
We have long forgotten what we once knew and honored. Even the tales of ancient myths and mysteries cannot keep our attention anymore, that is how much we have disconnected ourselves from our true nature. We have lost our sensitivity, our power. So we celebrate whatever the exterior facade tells us to without trying to see through those veils. And we think our children are the ones who need protection. I think they just need some good explanation and guidance. Life and death are one and the same and until everyone becomes comfortable with this idea and starts to live in accordance to the natural laws of this planet, we will look with fearful eyes.
I am saying this without any judgement. I myself come from another type of culture so Halloween is not something I know how to celebrate, but I honor the time of the year for its potential and with its significance. And I learn from the ones who know more than me.

"A time when the veils between the worlds were thinner, and so many could "see" the other side of life. A time in the year when the spiritual and material worlds touched for a moment, and a greater potential exists for magical creation.

All Hallow's Eve, Hallow E'en, Halloween, Day of the Dead, Samhain. By whatever name it has been called, this special night preceding All Hallows day (November 1st) has been considered for centuries as one of the most magical nights of the year. A night of power, when the veil that separates our world from the Otherworld is at its thinnest.

As ubiquitous as Halloween celebrations are throughout the world, few of us know that the true origin of Halloween is a ceremony of honoring our ancestors and the day of the dead. A time when the veils between the worlds were thinner, and so many could "see" the other side of life. A time in the year when the spiritual and material worlds touched for a moment, and a greater potential exists for magical creation.

ANCIENT RITES
In ancient times, this day was a special and honored day of the year.

In the Celtic calendar, it was one of the most important days of the year, representing a mid point in the year, Samhain, or "summer's end". Occuring opposite the great Spring Festival of May Day, or Beltain, this day represented the turning point of the year, the eve of the new year which begins with the onset of the dark phase of the year.

And while celebrated by the Celts, the origin of this day has connections to other cultures as well, such as Egypt, and in Mexico as Dia de la Muerta, or the day of the dead.

The Celts believed that the normal laws of space and time were held in abeyance during this time, allowing a special window where the spirit world could intermingle with the living. It was a night when the dead could cross the veils and return to the land of the living to celebrate with their family, or clan. As such, the great burial mounds of Ireland were lit up with torches lining the walls, so the spirits of the dead could find their way...."

If you are interested you can read the article here: http://www.monroeinstitute.org/thehub/halloween-suspending-the-laws-of-space-and-time

genevieve
31st October 2013, 19:59
I watched a video on You Tube some time ago that explains Halloween as a time for real-life Satanic blood rituals that harvest fear energy.

Ugh.


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

soleil
1st November 2013, 17:43
The Halloween has never been a traditional date in Brazil.
The average Brazilian does not need special date to party. It is natural.

we need that go with the flow-ness in canada so bad. the winter throws us off