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Corncrake
4th November 2013, 23:14
Europe beware - read what happened in Australia, Canada, El Salvador and Argentina:

'The government wouldn't cede our sovereignty to some shadowy, undemocratic body without consulting us. Would it?"

Remember that referendum about whether we should create a single market with the United States? You know, the one that asked whether corporations should have the power to strike down our laws? No, I don't either. Mind you, I spent 10 minutes looking for my watch the other day before I realised I was wearing it. Forgetting about the referendum is another sign of ageing. Because there must have been one, mustn't there? After all that agonising over whether or not we should stay in the European Union, the government wouldn't cede our sovereignty to some shadowy, undemocratic body without consulting us. Would it?

The purpose of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership is to remove the regulatory differences between the US and European nations. I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago. But I left out the most important issue: the remarkable ability it would grant big business to sue the living daylights out of governments which try to defend their citizens. It would allow a secretive panel of corporate lawyers to overrule the will of parliament and destroy our legal protections. Yet the defenders of our sovereignty say nothing.

The mechanism through which this is achieved is known as investor-state dispute settlement. It's already being used in many parts of the world to kill regulations protecting people and the living planet.

The Australian government, after massive debates in and out of parliament, decided that cigarettes should be sold in plain packets, marked only with shocking health warnings. The decision was validated by the Australian supreme court. But, using a trade agreement Australia struck with Hong Kong, the tobacco company Philip Morris has asked an offshore tribunal to award it a vast sum in compensation for the loss of what it calls its intellectual property.

During its financial crisis, and in response to public anger over rocketing charges, Argentina imposed a freeze on people's energy and water bills (does this sound familiar?). It was sued by the international utility companies whose vast bills had prompted the government to act. For this and other such crimes, it has been forced to pay out over a billion dollars in compensation. In El Salvador, local communities managed at great cost (three campaigners were murdered) to persuade the government to refuse permission for a vast gold mine which threatened to contaminate their water supplies. A victory for democracy? Not for long, perhaps. The Canadian company which sought to dig the mine is now suing El Salvador for $315m – for the loss of its anticipated future profits.

In Canada, the courts revoked two patents owned by the American drugs firm Eli Lilly, on the grounds that the company had not produced enough evidence that they had the beneficial effects it claimed. Eli Lilly is now suing the Canadian government for $500m, and demanding that Canada's patent laws are changed.

These companies (along with hundreds of others) are using the investor-state dispute rules embedded in trade treaties signed by the countries they are suing. The rules are enforced by panels which have none of the safeguards we expect in our own courts. The hearings are held in secret. The judges are corporate lawyers, many of whom work for companies of the kind whose cases they hear. Citizens and communities affected by their decisions have no legal standing. There is no right of appeal on the merits of the case. Yet they can overthrow the sovereignty of parliaments and the rulings of supreme courts.

You don't believe it? Here's what one of the judges on these tribunals says about his work. "When I wake up at night and think about arbitration, it never ceases to amaze me that sovereign states have agreed to investment arbitration at all ... Three private individuals are entrusted with the power to review, without any restriction or appeal procedure, all actions of the government, all decisions of the courts, and all laws and regulations emanating from parliament."

There are no corresponding rights for citizens. We can't use these tribunals to demand better protections from corporate greed. As the Democracy Centre says, this is "a privatised justice system for global corporations".

Even if these suits don't succeed, they can exert a powerful chilling effect on legislation. One Canadian government official, speaking about the rules introduced by the North American Free Trade Agreement, remarked: "I've seen the letters from the New York and DC law firms coming up to the Canadian government on virtually every new environmental regulation and proposition in the last five years. They involved dry-cleaning chemicals, pharmaceuticals, pesticides, patent law. Virtually all of the new initiatives were targeted and most of them never saw the light of day." Democracy, as a meaningful proposition, is impossible under these circumstances.

This is the system to which we will be subject if the transatlantic treaty goes ahead. The US and the European commission, both of which have been captured by the corporations they are supposed to regulate, are pressing for investor-state dispute resolution to be included in the agreement.

The commission justifies this policy by claiming that domestic courts don't offer corporations sufficient protection because they "might be biased or lack independence". Which courts is it talking about? Those of the US? Its own member states? It doesn't say. In fact it fails to produce a single concrete example demonstrating the need for a new, extrajudicial system. It is precisely because our courts are generally not biased or lacking independence that the corporations want to bypass them. The EC seeks to replace open, accountable, sovereign courts with a closed, corrupt system riddled with conflicts of interest and arbitrary powers.

Investor-state rules could be used to smash any attempt to save the NHS from corporate control, to re-regulate the banks, to curb the greed of the energy companies, to renationalise the railways, to leave fossil fuels in the ground. These rules shut down democratic alternatives. They outlaw leftwing politics.

This is why there has been no attempt by the UK government to inform us about this monstrous assault on democracy, let alone consult us. This is why the Conservatives who huff and puff about sovereignty are silent. Wake up, people we're being shafted.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/04/us-trade-deal-full-frontal-assault-on-democracy

sheme
5th November 2013, 10:58
We just don't know what our various countries are being threatened with do we, we may be part of or victim of the biggest protection racket in history, pay up or we will kill all of your fish? pay up or we will tsunami your coast? pay up or we will wash Colorado away, pay up or we will send you the biggest hurricane in history. This is happening I am pretty sure.

sheme
5th November 2013, 12:15
Hmm I am on a train of thought here since I saw the drunk Russian boasting how Russia can kill 250 000 000 in 15 minutes, yes they could be playing this game, (blackmail) may be this is why 15,000 Russian troops have been "invited" to America. I am sure I would take a vacation if I lived in America, when is Thanksgiving?

Flash
5th November 2013, 13:16
This article of yours is extremely important because it shows the inner workings of the take over of the industries on governments.

This is literally a coup d'état, done to many counties in the world, a coup managed by corporations, implemented by corporations.

Governments throughout the world have been hijacked, and this article gives a resume of the how it happened - see my past tense, it already happened.

I would suggest to change the title of the thread, cause Ialmost did not read it, thininig it was another personal thread on something. The title coult be "hijacked governments, how they dd it" Hijacked by corporations, govenrments have no more say" or "A coup d'état in every countries by corporations" or something in these lines.

SilentFeathers
5th November 2013, 13:30
here's an interesting article;;;;;;;;;\\\\\\\ PS: I agree the title of the thread should be changed.

I'm always a bit skiddish reading things from certain "news sites", but according to my own research, this article is rather quite accurate.


'PURGE SURGE': OBAMA FIRES ANOTHER COMMANDER
Naval commanding officer alarmed by 'relentless' attack on Armed Forces

After multiple top generals described to WND what they regard as a full-scale “purge” of the U.S. military by the Obama administration, the commander of U.S. Army Garrison Japan was summarily relieved of duty and his civilian deputy reassigned, pending a “misconduct” investigation.

Nine generals and flag officers have been relieved of duty under Obama just this year – widely viewed as an extraordinary number – and several sources put the total number of senior officers purged during the five years of the Obama administration as close to 200.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/purge-surge-obama-fires-another-commander/#gx72sVsjWLliiU1U.99

sheme
5th November 2013, 13:41
So who will be the king of the world when all the gold is stashed? Who will be our representative after the great leveling?

Corncrake
5th November 2013, 14:23
Thanks for all the comments so far. I don't agree with everything Monbiot says eg his stance on nuclear energy (which is another issue). However, years back I read his carefully researched and annotated book Captive State where he demonstrates the power of corporations within the UK. He recounts many chilling stories from the privatisation of the Skye bridge in Scotland to the 'regeneration' of Southhampton on the south coast. He 'exposes' Monsanto's GM foods and the selling off of the NHS and the prison system (which I have discussed elsewhere). This book was an eye opener and once I had my eyes open I was able to look around and see it happening on my doorstep. Local historic buildings would suddenly be knocked down overnight and a private high rise block would go up in its place - a paltry fine would then be imposed on the developer - mere petty cash. There was a local pool hall in an old cinema we had campaigned to have turned into a cinema, theatre and arts complex and after three years of work it was all looking good when one of the big boys stepped in with a much higher offer and a development of flats is going up instead. It was part of the coalitions political mandate to allow communities to take more control and influence over local issues but not anymore it would seem.

Flash
5th November 2013, 14:36
This is much more than old building blocks Concrake, this is hijacking of our rights, laws and countries, by having our govenrment sign agreements that we are not aware of, in secrecy. And this is worldwide.

please, have the title changed to that Avalon readers get interested to read on this topic. Thanks

Corncrake
5th November 2013, 15:07
Flash of course it is - I was just giving a small example of how it operates at a local level. These are the sort of issues I can get my neighbours interested in as they don't believe the government would 'allow' Monsanto, for example, to do the 'nasty' things I have told them about - and don't even get onto conspiracy theories! Earlier this summer our PM - David Cameron - showed his support of Monsanto although while in opposition he was quite sceptical. With much of the British public opposing genetic modification why has he changed his mind? In April, Obama signed the ‘Monsanto Protection Act’ which has effectively placed the company above the law. Is Cameron bowing down to pressure from the 'special relationship'. Back in 2000 Europe managed to knock Monsanto down to size but they are back up and running again now.

please, have the title changed to that Avalon readers get interested to read on this topic. Thanks Done!

Flash
5th November 2013, 15:08
You are a love

Thanks Concrake

Hervé
5th November 2013, 16:46
In my neck of the woods:

30,000 people dispersed with tear gas as French riot police break up anti-tax protest in Brittany (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hAUOpxeri6bL-10Q2kPeu3kcFbTw?docId=121553c3-6781-4712-ab76-c17ec0b9f490)

Sandra Ferrer
Agence France-Presse (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hAUOpxeri6bL-10Q2kPeu3kcFbTw?docId=121553c3-6781-4712-ab76-c17ec0b9f490)
Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:30 CST



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French riot police fired tear gas at thousands of demonstrators in north-west France on Saturday, after some protesters hurled stones and iron bars at them in a rally against a controversial green tax and layoffs.

Three demonstrators were arrested while four protesters and a police officer were injured after scuffles broke out during the protest on Saturday afternoon.

Protest organisers said 30,000 people, including hauliers, fishermen and food industry workers, had gathered in the town of Quimper in Brittany to demonstrate against an environmental tax on trucks and layoffs, even though the government had earlier in the week suspended the application of the so-called ecotax.

Authorities estimate that 15,000 people joined in the protest.

Some of the protestors pelted police with stones, iron bars and even pots of chrysanthemum, while others burned palettes. Police responded with water cannons and tear gas.

The prefect of the department of Finistere, Jean-Luc Videlaine, blamed the violence on a "marginal group" of right-wing extremists, who he said were believed to be among the protesters.


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© Reuters / Stephane Mahe


Protesters wearing red caps, the symbol of protest in Brittany, throw objects at a barricade held by French riot police during a demonstration to maintain jobs in Quimper, western France, November 2, 2013

Before the weekend, Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault had warned against any "spiral of violence" in Brittany, after previous clashes last week during similar demonstrations.

The ecotax, aimed at encouraging environmentally friendly commercial transport, imposes new levies on French and foreign vehicles transporting commercial goods weighing over 3.5 tonnes.

It came under fire from farmers and food sector workers across the country, but especially in Brittany, where the economy is heavily dependent on agriculture.

Even though the government has said the tax would not take effect on January 1 as previously planned, protest organisers say it is not enough, demanding instead a permanent suspension of the tax.

On Saturday, protestors marched under banners such as "Right to work", "Bretons yes, sheep no" and "France is not a cash cow".


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Many also wore red caps, a symbol of the anti-tax campaign in Brittany in the 17th century.

"I'm here to defend my job," one of the protestors, Genevieve Tanguy, 37, an estate agent told AFP. "In Brittany, we are united. Personally, I would not hold up with all these taxes."

Another protester, 52-year-old mason Claude Sergent said the taxes "are killing us".

Christian Troadec, one of the main organisers of the rally, called the demonstration "a great success for employment in Brittany".

The ecotax was adopted by Nicolas Sarkozy's centre-right UMP government in 2009, but its implementation has repeatedly been put off.

Officials said the suspension of the tax, which would raise about one billion euros per year, would last at least several months.

Environmentalists slammed the Socialist government for postponing the tax, with Green MEP Jose Bove calling the move "pathetic" and an "incredible retreat".


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What's this got to do with this thread?

Well, when you get that the "Greens" are an un-avowed "corporation" set up to "reaction" to a fictional Global Warming "problem" and request the "solution" of carbon footprint taxes (i.e. "ecotax)... the equation and its factors reveal themselves because, currently, highways in Brittany are toll-free since built with public funds; the ecotax is levied through newly set up "toll booth" for trucks... until cars suffer the same fate once the truckers and producers have gone quiet (i.e. run down into the ground of insolvency).