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Bubu
6th November 2013, 06:11
As much as I could I try to avoid anything that is process into my body. This includes vit c tablets.

I have read many many articles already about vit c but got only a couple with negative touch

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/21/local/la-me-marble-20120221

http://lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/the-great-vitamin-c-hoax-part-one-2/

As far as I could remember I never gave my family vit. c tablets to swallow but rather I mixed it with lemonade. Reason is same as in the article, although I just found this article few minutes back.

We all know the widespread deception and as usual I am counting on fellow avalonians to share their experience/testimonies with vit.c tablets. I have more confidence on testimonies of ordinary folks like me and almost nothing on funded research.

thanks in advance

Sidney
6th November 2013, 06:16
I prefer the powdered form, because I get an instant energy boost that way. I can say nothing bad about vitamin c, regardless of how you take it. It really is one of the greats.

Mu2143
6th November 2013, 10:18
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Ultima Thule
6th November 2013, 10:23
If I may refer to one of my early posts in here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10821-Does-anyone-have-information-on-natural-supplements&p=117687&viewfull=1#post117687
It includes information among other things about vitamin C, of which I personally have great experiences.

UT

transiten
6th November 2013, 10:57
Vitamin C should be "buffered" and taken in pulverfrom and one can add some seasalt.

ThePythonicCow
6th November 2013, 12:00
Vitamin C should be "buffered" and taken in pulverfrom and one can add some seasalt.

What's "pulverfrom" ? :)

eaglespirit
6th November 2013, 12:08
Vitamin C should be "buffered" and taken in pulverfrom and one can add some seasalt.

What's "pulverfrom" ? :)

I know You know Paul...pulverform : )

from pulver...it's a Transiten joke..

It's early...I really didn't need to post this...HaHaHa!!!

ThePythonicCow
6th November 2013, 12:11
Vitamin C should be "buffered" and taken in pulverfrom and one can add some seasalt.

What's "pulverfrom" ? :)

I know You know Paul...pulverform : )
No ... I didn't know ... but that's a sufficient clue. It seems that "pulverfrom" is a misspelling of the German word "pulverform", which translates to "powder form" in English.

Now it makes sense :).

Selene
6th November 2013, 15:55
That blog link you posted, Bubu, contains some incorrect – or at best incomplete - information.

Vitamin C is ascorbic acid. Period. However:

In its pure form, whether from natural or synthetic sources, vitamin C is inaccessible to the human body unless it is accompanied by so-called bioflavonoids. Bioflavonoids are the “key” that unlocks the ascorbic acid molecule in the body and allows the body to utilize it. Without bioflavonoids, vitamin C simply passes unchanged through the intestine without being absorbed.

That’s why all well-formulated vitamin C tablets or powders contain bioflavonoids, often in the form of rose hips. All fruits and veggies contain bioflavonoids along with their natural vitamin C. Purely synthetic, artificially flavored sugar drinks “with added vitamin C” rarely do; they’re pure junk. (But you know that…)

Back when vitamin C was first discovered, scientists eagerly isolated its “pure” molecular structure, stripping it of what they thought was “junk bits”. But those were the bioflavonoids; they didn’t know that. They tested their “pure” ascorbic acid molecule in test tubes against natural vitamin C and determined that it was the same thing. But they never tested it on humans. Instead, they eagerly created a whiz-bang powdered orange drink called Tang, and sent it into space with early astronauts. The public gobbled it up. It was some years before they figured out it was useless. (But that hasn’t stopped General Foods, has it?)

Personally, I’ve been taking 1,000mg of time-release vitamin C w/ bioflavonoids every day (one tablet) for decades. Compared to other people my age the differences in my overall health, skin firmness and lack of wrinkling, muscle responsiveness, etc are visible and meaningful. So much so that old friends now murmur warily “You never age….” LOL

I’m not by any means saying that vitamin C alone is responsible, of course. I take a good multivitamin as well, eat only fresh foods, no junk, exercise regularly, etc etc. No secrets; you already know what you need to do.

But there’s no doubt in my mind that supplemental vitamin C is a human necessity. We are the only mammal that does not make its own vitamin C supply internally.

In my opinion, that could be due to a “transcription error” when our DNA was modified from, say, apes to create homo erectus. They missed a turn, perhaps.

But Pauling’s comparative mammalian studies show that for our size and weight, if we were another mammal we’d be making (if memory serves) 5-6,000mg internally per day.

Take it. But read the label first.

Cheers,

Selene

Bubu
6th November 2013, 23:26
Thanks everyone for the testimony.

Selene, thanks your info coincide with my intuition that there should be accompanying bits for ascorbic to be assimilated by the body which you call "bioflavonoids" I guess lemons has it plus I will able to look for other sources of bioflavonoids now that I knew the word.

soleil
7th November 2013, 00:57
hey bubu, i know how you appreciate facts and good evidence. you should check out natural news.com bc they post tooooonnnnnssssss of information about nutrition and vitamin c, youll find the best info there. easy for human consumption/reading too.

DeDukshyn
7th November 2013, 01:17
I'll give some general advice on forms of vitamins and nutracueticals (I work for a manufacturer of natural health products, and started off as a production worker - through to operations manager, so I know the whole picture ;))

In my opinion - tablets are the worst, I don't care if it is vit C or whatever. A tablet press requires extreme consistency in powder flow, humidity, density, and particle size. In order to achieve this, the powders that are pressed into tablet form (and yes it is a simple "pressing" process where huge pressure and a little bit of heat are generated to "bind" the powder into a solid form within a die), are heavily processed, with lots of flow agents and binders and lubricants. So basically, tablets are have their active ingredients diluted, plus contain a bunch of processing materials that other forms won't have -- especially chewables - stay away from these if you can. Another item to note that tablet density has to be "just right" for you to digest it properly, if the tablet is too hard, you'll poop out more than you absorb.

I am not a fan of softgels either, again, lot's of processing materials and while vegetarian softgels are starting to emerge, almost all use animal based gelatin for the shell.

I like hard shell capsules, these, if formulated properly, often don't need any excipients or extra processing as the machines that fill and assemble these are much more forgiving and flexible, occasionally fillers are needed to meet appropriate dosages, and also occasionally some flow agents, but these will be both rarer and used in much lower quantities than what you would ever see in tablets or S/Gs. Also, vegetarian capsules are available, our company strictly uses the vegetarin hard shells for all our capsules, the alternative is again, gelatin, from animal sources -- look for this on your product labels. Liquid capsules may provide some better bio-availability than old fashioned powder in a hard shell, but again here some extra stuff is needed for the manufacturing process, but these can come in vegetarian form as well.

Liquid forms can be good - these are usually reserved for items that do better in an oil based matrix - such as vitamin D. Artificial flavours and colours are common additives though so watch for those, as well as cheap oil matixes (such as GMO soy oil)

Powdered forms require even less additives, and thus can be far more pure - fillers are never needed, and flow is usually even less of an issue than with capsules, as you are using larger equipment to fill bottles, so if any, only a tiny amount of flow agent may be needed for most powdered forms. What you will want to watch for are artificial flavours and colours -- you don't want this.

I don't have much info on liposomal delivery, but for certain products it makes sense - especially if you want high doses of vitamin C (>10grams)-- which can be irritating to the digestive tract.


Anyways there's my recommendations, from a guy who knows how all this stuff is made ;)

Delight
7th November 2013, 02:35
I don't have much info on liposomal delivery, but for certain products it makes sense - especially if you want high doses of vitamin C (>10grams)-- which can be irritating to the digestive tract.

My prejudice is that I agree to choose something that represents healing for me, nutrition for me, well being for me. Then it works.

Personally I have had great experiences with plain ascorbic acid. I had a small spot on the side of my nose that was irritated and seemed to be ongoing. I never judged what it was but put plain powdered ascorbic acid there. Within 24 hours it was gone and never recurred. If i have a cold symptom, I just use honey (as much as I want to make a palatable taste) and a pulverized lemon (in a blender) with added ascorbic acid and take this slurry by the teaspoon as often as I want.

I prefer the ascorbic acid that is not ph balanced. It tastes good to me. taste is part of useful medicine. Bitter medicine can make it work better or sour for me.


I make LIPO C at home using nonGMOlecithin, Ascorbic acid and distilled water. The lecithin naturally encapsulates liquids. Blenderizing it first then using a jewelry cleaner that sonicates the solution makes very inexpensive DIY Vitamin C. There is even more micronized lipo C that is possible to buy. DIY is good enough to increase the amount actually absorbed from the GI track making it much more potent.

I learned how to do this after reading many articles and the best I found are:

http://www.michaelmooney.net/DidLiposomalVitaminCCureCancer.html

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=20&sid=37ec965268ec6ed3b6d21fc4ccc804f1

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread846311/pg01

DeDukshyn
9th November 2013, 00:27
Thanks everyone for the testimony.

Selene, thanks your info coincide with my intuition that there should be accompanying bits for ascorbic to be assimilated by the body which you call "bioflavonoids" I guess lemons has it plus I will able to look for other sources of bioflavonoids now that I knew the word.

I fully agree with Selene on this C is more useful with the extra bioflavonoids. You should be able to easily find a blend already like this: http://www.aor.ca/products-page/allergies/c-bioflavonoids/. Also check the extra research tab under the bottle pic for more research info into why the bioflavs are also important. You won't be able to get this where you are, but you can likely find something similar.

Another good source is Amla fruit extract - naturally high in both C and bioflavonoids.

MariaDine
9th November 2013, 03:53
The viitamin C also acts in the conversion of folic acid into folinic acid, in the metabolism of vitamin B 12, as well as in the mechanism for hemoglobin production and maturation of red blood cells.

As a rule pregnant women take Folic Acid and vitamin C to ensure good formation of the neural tube of the baby.

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A vitamina C intervém ainda na conversão do ácido fólico em ácido folínico, no metabolismo da vitamina B 12, bem como no mecanismo de produção da hemoglobina e maturação dos glóbulos vermelhos.

johnwills
13th August 2014, 12:00
I've been taking liposomal vitamin C with Glutathione for over a year now and its a massive improvement over the tablets. I used to take the standard vitamin C tablets but I was continually picking up colds that the kids brought back from school with them, so after reading about liposomal Vitamin C I decided to give it try.

Since I started taking this, I've not had one cold and if I've felt like one might be coming on, I just upped the dosage for a few days and it's never materialised. Additionally, I did notice after around 2 weeks an improvement in my skin, which was unexpected, it felt firmer and seemed to knock a few years off, so much so that my wife started taking it also, downside, it doubled the amount I had to purchase every month :)

More information can be found here. www.liposomal-vitaminc.com

I'd definitely recommend replacing standard vitamin C tablets with a liposomal vitamin C product.

Rolci
13th August 2014, 16:16
In its pure form, whether from natural or synthetic sources, vitamin C is inaccessible to the human body unless it is accompanied by so-called bioflavonoids. Bioflavonoids are the “key” that unlocks the ascorbic acid molecule in the body and allows the body to utilize it. Without bioflavonoids, vitamin C simply passes unchanged through the intestine without being absorbed.

That’s why all well-formulated vitamin C tablets or powders contain bioflavonoids, often in the form of rose hips. All fruits and veggies contain bioflavonoids along with their natural vitamin C.

Selene

So how have Inuit people survived thousands of years on a seal diet? Don't suppose seals contain much vit C or bioflavonoids...

Selene
13th August 2014, 17:15
So how have Inuit people survived thousands of years on a seal diet? Don't suppose seals contain much vit C or bioflavonoids...

The diet of the Inuit does not - contrary to mythology - consist solely of seal or caribou meat, but does contain some seasonal vegetation. A large part of the arctic is permafrost tundra that grows small lichens, moss and a few berries during the summer.

In fact, though, the average lifespan of the Inu is rather short; you are old/old at forty. Few live beyond fifty.

My hubby has made a number of trips to the high arctic, visiting Inuit communities. That's what he tells me. (And he adds that if you really, really want to bring someone an impressive gift, you bring some fresh oranges from the south...)

Cheers,

Selene

Delight
23rd August 2014, 05:30
This is interesting IMO


Liposomal vs. Oxidized Vitamin C and DIY DHAA: The Amazing Green Smoothie

http://www.recverin.com Learn how to make do-it-yourself DHAA (dehydroascorbic acid), and see remarkable blood plasma absorption results comparing oral doses of common vitamin C tablets, liposomal vitamin C, and the oxidized form of vitamin C called DHAA.

Scientific journal articles referenced in this video:

1. Levine, M., S.J. Padayatty, and M.G. Espey. Vitamin C: a concentration-function approach yields pharmacology and therapeutic discoveries. Advances in Nutrition, 2(2):78-88 (2011)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic...

2. Hickey, S., H.J. Roberts, and N.J. Miller. Pharmacokinetics of oral vitamin C. Journal of Nutritional & Environmental Medicine 17(3): p. 169-177 (2008) http://69.164.208.4/files/Pharmacokin...

Suggested reading:

Corpe, C.P., et al. Intestinal dehydroascorbic acid (DHA) transport mediated by the facilitative sugar transporters, GLUT2 and GLUT8. Journal of Biological Chemistry 288(13):9092-101 (2013) http://www.jbc.org/content/288/13/909...

Tsujimura, M., et al. Vitamin C Activity of Dehydroascorbic Acid in Humans—Association between Changes in the Blood Vitamin C Concentration or Urinary Excretion after Oral Loading. Journal of Nutrition Science and Vitaminology 54 p. 315-320 (2008)
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/...

Wood, R.A. Human In-Vivo Vitamin C Test of oral Ascorbic Acid powder, oral Home-Made Liposomal Ascorbic Acid and oral Lipo-Spheric C™ for blood plasma levels. Jul17, 2013. http://www.biohealthquest.com/oralvitc/

Furuya, A., Uozaki, M., Yamasaki, H., Arakawa, T., Arita, M., & Koyama, A. (2008). Antiviral effects of ascorbic and dehydroascorbic acids in vitro. International Journal of Molecular Medicine, 22(4), 541-545. http://www.spandidos-publications.com...

Wilson, JX.The physiological role of dehydroascorbic acid. FEBS Letters 527 (2002) 5-9 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/...


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johnwills
31st March 2015, 08:49
Hopefully I'm not breaking any forum rules by posting this, but I received a coupon code with 20% discount on Liposomal Vitamin C from my supplier www.futurehealthtoday.com which I thought I'd share in case anyone already buys from them. Just enter lipo2015 in at the checkout for the discount. It does look like they only ship from the USA now, which is a shame.

Baby Steps
31st March 2015, 12:26
Hi,
I have recently found some useful stuff about Vitamin c-see the following:
1. Ascorbic Acid is not vitamin C, it is just the 'protective outer layer' of the complex
2. High blood sugar prevents cells from using Vitamin C
3. Vitamin C is the best way to clear blocked arteries-and help with all kinds of micro-tissue repairs-once you have enough, the damaged artery walls begin to repair & release the cholesterol that they have used to plug the fissures.
4. I have started taking a whole lemon in the vitamix with water in the morning, as hopefully sugar is low. I put pink salt in(theory-isotonic is easier to absorb)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePzJbllNCPg

The following is from the Linus Pauling website:

"Did you know that bypass surgery (in which a blocked coronary artery is replaced by a clean artery obtained from the thigh) is one of the biggest growth industries in the United States? Would it surprise you to learn that this procedure brings in more money to metropolitan hospitals than does any other type of care? In many cases bypass surgery accounts for 30 to 40 percent of a hospital's total income." - Stephen Cherniske (DHEA Breakthrough, 1996)



Vitamin C arterial cleanse
Linus Pauling and Matthias Rath first presented their lipoprotein-a theory of arterial disease in 1990. They demonstrated in guinea pigs, which do not internally produce vitamin C as most other mammals do, that lipoprotein-a take the place of ascorbate (vitamin C) in arterial walls, weakening them. Given that humans are in the same predicament as guinea pigs – a gene mutation has halted the natural production of vitamin C in the human liver – the discoveries documented by researchers Pauling and Rath have application to the human condition of arteries, particularly with advancing age.
Guinea pigs are provided the human equivalent of 800 milligrams of vitamin C in their chow or they rapidly develop arterial disease. For comparison, humans only consume about 110 mg of vitamin C from their daily diet.
The Pauling/Rath regimen suggested 40 milligrams of vitamin C per kilogram (2.2 lbs) of body weight per day to cleanse arteries. For a 70 kilogram (154-lb) human, that would be 70k X 40 mg = 2800 milligrams of vitamin C per day. For a 113 kilogram (250-lb) adult, 4545 mg of vitamin C would be appropriate.
Some commercially promoted vitamin C cleansing regimens suggest much more vitamin C than initially recommended. Mega-dose (tens of thousands of milligrams) vitamin C actually promotes oxidation and transiently produces hydrogen peroxide in the blood circulation, a treatment that is more appropriate for non-toxically killing germs and cancer cells.
A chilling graphic presentation can be viewed online at VitaminCProject.com that reveals a conspiracy to hide the life-saving properties of vitamin C.

Thanks to ‘The Doctor Within’
http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/vitaminc/ascorbic-acid-is-not-vitamin-c/

THE FOLLOWING COVERS VITAMINS,& NUTRITION IN GENERAL AS WELL AS VITAMIN C:

This will be a short chapter, but after you’re finished with it, you will know more about vitamins than 95% of clinical nutritionists, doctors, supplement sales force, or bodybuilders. If that sounds arrogant or overstated, it really isn’t my fault. I’m just a messenger; a purveyor of information. Either I’m right or the 95% are right; can’t be both.
Without further ado, here’s the kernel: ascorbic acid is not vitamin C. Alpha tocopherol is not vitamin E. Retinoic acid is not vitamin A. And so on through the other vitamins. Vast sums of money have been expended to make these myths part of Conventional Wisdom. If you have several college degrees and all this is news to you, don’t feel bad. Unless you think your education ended at Commencement. Which is generally true.
WHEELS WITHIN WHEELS
Vitamins are not individual molecular compounds. Vitamins are biological complexes. They are multi-step biochemical interactions whose action is dependent upon a number of variables within the biological terrain. Vitamin activity only takes place when all conditions are met within that environment, and when all co-factors and components of the entire vitamin complex are present and working together. Vitamin activity is even more than the sum of all those parts; it also involves timing.
Vitamins cannot be isolated from their complexes and still perform their specific life functions within the cells. When isolated into artificial commercial forms, like ascorbic acid, these purified synthetics act as drugs in the body. They are no longer vitamins, and to call them such is inaccurate.
A vitamin is
“a working process consisting of the nutrient, enzymes, coenzymes, antioxidants, and trace minerals activators.”
- Royal Lee “What Is a Vitamin?” Applied Trophology Aug 1956
FORGOTTEN TRAILBLAZER
Dr. Royal Lee was the pioneer researcher in the field of whole food vitamins. For decades he documented the basic facts summarized in this chapter. His work has never been scientifically refuted. Anyone who seriously undertakes the study of vitamins today corroborates Lee’s work. His story is a fascinating study in itself, a study of indomitable perseverance in the pursuit of true principles. Jensen tells us that Royal Lee’s work will not be appreciated until the next century.
Hasn’t happened yet.
Lee felt the full weight of organized drugs/medicine bearing down on him. Reading like something out of Schindler’s List, we learn that the FDA not only persecuted Lee for challenging the economics of synthetic vitamins, produced by giant drug companies, but that he was actually ordered by a court to burn all his research of the past 20 years! Burn his research! When has that ever happened in this country? They didn’t even do that to Larry Flynt.
Going off on a tangent, ever wondered how the FDA attained its present position as attack dog for the drug companies and food manufacturers? It’s another whole story in itself. The precursor of the FDA was the Bureau of Chemistry. Up until 1912 the Bureau of Chemistry was headed up by a man named Dr. Harvey W. Wiley. Here’s a quote from Dr. Wiley that illustrates where his interests lay:
“No food product in our country would have any trace of benzoic acid, sulfurous acid or sulfites or any alum or saccharin, save for medical purposes. No soft drink would contain caffeine or theobromine. No bleached flour would enter interstate commerce. Our foods and drugs would be wholly without any form of adulteration and misbranding. The health of our people would be vastly improved and the life greatly extended. The manufacturers of our food supply, and especially the millers, would devote their energies to improving the public health and promoting happiness in every home by the production of whole ground, unbolted cereal flours and meals.”
- The History of a Crime Against the Pure Food Law, 1912
Now obviously we can’t have a dangerous lunatic like this in charge of the public nutrition, can we? Dr. Wiley actually filed suit against the Coca-Cola company in an attempt to keep their artificial product out of interstate commerce, and off the market. Fortunately Wiley was eventually replaced by a saner individual, more attuned to the real nutritional needs of the American people, as determined by the experts who knew what was best for us: the food manufacturers. This was Dr. Elmer Nelson, and in his words we get an idea of the change in philosophy that marked the transformation of the Bureau of Chemistry into the FDA:
“It is wholly unscientific to state that a well-fed body is more able to resist disease than a poorly-fed body. My overall opinion is that there hasn’t been enough experimentation to prove that dietary deficiencies make one susceptible to disease.”
- Elmer Nelson MD
Washington Post 26 Oct 49
Bernard Jensen illustrates how the tobacco industry and the food giants like Coke were indirectly behind the legal persecution of Royal Lee. Cigarette ads in the 40s and 50s showed medical doctors promoting the digestive benefits of smoking Camels. Or the advertising of Coke and other refined sugar foods stating that “science has shown how sugar can help keep your appetite and weight under control.” (Empty Harvest)
During this same period, Royal Lee was kept in courts for years, fighting to keep the right to advertise his vitamin products, because he was a threat to the food manufacturers. Lee knew they were poisoning the American public. He proved that refined sugars and devitalized, bleached flours were destroying the arteries and the digestive system, causing heart disease and cancer.
WHOLE VS. FRACTIONATED
OK, natural vs. synthetic. Let’s start with Vitamin C. Most sources equate vitamin C with ascorbic acid, as though they were the same thing. They’re not. Ascorbic acid is an isolate, a fraction, a distillate of naturally occurring vitamin C. In addition to ascorbic acid, vitamin C must include rutin, bioflavonoids, Factor K, Factor J, Factor P, Tyrosinase, Ascorbinogen, and other components as shown in the figure below:
_____________________A s c o r b i c A c i d______________
ascorbinogen
bioflavonoids
rutin
tyrosinase
Factor J
Factor K
Factor P
_____________________A s c o r b i c A c i d______________
V I T A M I N C
In addition, mineral co-factors must be available in proper amounts.
If any of these parts are missing, there is no vitamin C, no vitamin activity. When some of them are present, the body will draw on its own stores to make up the differences, so that the whole vitamin may be present. Only then will vitamin activity take place, provided that all other conditions and co-factors are present. Ascorbic acid is described merely as the “antioxidant wrapper” portion of vitamin C; ascorbic acid protects the functional parts of the vitamin from rapid oxidation or breakdown. (Somer p 58 “Vitamin C: A Lesson in Keeping An Open Mind” The Nutrition Report)
Over 90% of ascorbic acid in this country is manufactured at a facility in Nutley, New Jersey, owned by Hoffman-LaRoche, one of the world’s biggest drug manufacturers (1 800 526 0189). Here ascorbic acid is made from a process involving cornstarch and volatile acids. Most U.S. vitamin companies then buy the bulk ascorbic acid from this single facility. After that, marketing takes over. Each company makes its own labels, its own claims, and its own formulations, each one claiming to have the superior form of vitamin C, even though it all came from the same place, and it’s really not vitamin C at all.
FRACTIONATED = SYNTHETIC = CRYSTALLINE = FAKE
The word synthetic means two things:
– manmade
– occurs nowhere in nature
From the outset, it is crucial to understand the difference between vitamins and vitamin activity. The vitamin is the biochemical complex. Vitamin activity means the actual biological and cellular changes that take place when the stage is set for the vitamin complex to act.
Think of it like gas and a car. Pumping the gas into the tank doesn’t necessarily mean the car is going anywhere. Other conditions and factors must be also present, in order for Activity to occur. The gas line to the carburetor must be clear, the carburetor jets must be set, there must be an exact mixture of air flow, the ignition must be turned on, the spark plugs must be clean, the exact amount of gas must reach each spark plug right before it fires, no gas must be left over in the cylinder after the plug fires. Getting the idea? If any of this stuff is missing, there’s no Activity: the car doesn’t run, or at least not very well.
Amazing as it may sound if you’re hearing this for the first time, vitamins are more than the synthetic fractions we are commonly taught they are. The ascorbic acid you buy at the grocery store every few weeks, thinking you are buying Vitamin C, is just a chemical copy of naturally occurring ascorbic acid, which itself is still only a fraction of the actual Vitamin C. Real vitamin C is part of something living, and as such, can impart life. Your synthetic, fractionated chemical ascorbic acid never grew in the ground, never saw the light of day, never was alive or part of anything alive. It’s a chemical, a cornstarch derivative, a sulfuric acid by-product. In your body it’s just another drug. Synthetic vitamins have toxic effects from mega-doses and actually can increase the white blood cell count. Vitamins are only necessary in minute quantities on a daily basis. Whole food vitamins, by contrast, are not toxic since the vitamin is complexed in its integral working form, and requires nothing from the body, and triggers no immune response.
DEFICIENCY
Scurvy is a disease caused by vitamin C deficiency. Scurvy is characterized by bleeding gums, slow wound healing, softening bones, loose teeth, ulcerations of the mouth and digestive tract, general weight loss and fatigue. From 1650 to 1850 half of all seamen on transoceanic voyages died of scurvy. It was discovered by ship surgeon Thomas Lind in the early 1800s that British sailors were spared the disease altogether simply by a diet rich in citrus fruits. Since limes travelled well, they were the common choice during the early years, and thus the expression “limeys” was coined to describe British sailors. It was later found both at sea and in prison fare that potatoes were equally successful in preventing scurvy, and much cheaper to obtain. (Lancet. 1842)
We find that there is less than 20 mg of ascorbic acid in a potato. Yet this small amount, since it is complexed in a food source, is all the body needs not only to prevent scurvy, but also to cure it, even in its advanced state. Such a remedy is described in detail in Richard Dana’s amazing journal Two Years Before the Mast, written in 1840.
Whole food vitamin C as found in potatoes, onions, and citrus fruits is able to quickly cure any case of scurvy. By contrast, the fractionated chemical ascorbic acid has been shown to be insufficient in resolving a scurvy condition, simply because it does not act as a nutrient. (Lancet 1842)
Ascorbic acid simply cannot confer vitamin activity, as taught by the discoverer of vitamin C himself, another Nobel Prize laureate, Dr. Albert Szent-Georgi.
Szent-Georgi discovered vitamin C in 1937. In all his research however, Szent-Georgi found that he could never cure scurvy with the isolated ascorbic acid itself. Realizing that he could always cure scurvy with the “impure” vitamin C found in simple foods, Szent-Georgi discovered that other factors had to be at work in order for vitamin activity to take place. So he returned to the laboratory and eventually made the discovery of another member of the vitamin C complex, as shown in the diagram above: rutin. All the factors in the complex, as Royal Lee and Dr. Szent-Georgi both came to understand, ascorbic acid, rutin, and the other factors, were synergists: co-factors which together sparked the “functional interdependence of biologically related nutrient factors.” (Empty Harvest p120) The term “wheels within wheels” was used to describe the interplay of co-factors.
Each of the other synergists in the C complex has a separate function:
– P factors for blood vessel strength,
– J factors for oxygen-carrying capacity of red cells,
– tyrosinase as an essential enzyme for enhancing white blood cell effectiveness.
Ascorbic acid is just the antioxidant outer shell – the protector of all these other synergists so that they will be able to perform their individual functions.
Now I can hear you asking, what about Linus Pauling, double Nobel Prize laureate, and his lifetime espousal of megadosing on ascorbic acid – up to 10 grams per day. He lived to be 93. Are we saying that he took a synthetic vitamin all that time? Yes, that’s exactly right. Bernard Jensen suggests that ascorbic acid has an acidifying effect in part of the digestive tract, making an unfriendly environment for viruses, Candida, and pathogenic bacteria. Pauling’s good health was not the result of synthetic vitamin activity. Good genetics and maintaining an internal bioterrain not conducive to inflammation are likely what brought longevity to Linus Pauling. He eventually died of cancer at 93, but then who wants to live forever?
Dr. Royal Lee’s phrase “biological wheels within wheels” always comes up in any discussion of whole food vitamins. Essentially it means that individual synergists cannot function as a vitamin in a chemically isolated form, like ascorbic acid. Vitamins are living complexes which contribute to other higher living complexes – like cell repair, collagen manufacture, and maintenance of blood circulation. Ascorbic acid is not a living complex. It is a copy of a part of a living complex known as vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is a fractionated, crystalline isolate of vitamin C.
Why are you a high school graduate or a college graduate or a doctor, and you don’t know this? Because drug manufacturers like things clean and simple and cheap to produce. To this simple fact add the politics which always comes into play when anyone mentions the word “billions,” and you are beginning to get the idea about where to begin your investigation. Burned his research???
DIETARY SOURCES
Most vitamins cannot be made by the body. They must be taken in as food. The best sources then are obviously whole foods, rich in vitamins. Because of soil depletion, mineral depletion, pesticides, air pollution, and erosion, it is common knowledge that foods grown in American soil today have only a fraction of the nutrient value of 50 years ago. That means a fraction of the vitamins and minerals necessary for normal human cell function. Royal Lee described the American diet as the cultivation and production of “devitalized foods.” Dr. Weston Price describes these empty products as the “foods of commerce.” Think it’s gotten better or worse since their time? Thus the necessity for supplementation.
Vitamins and minerals are not functionally separable. They make each other work. Example: vitamin D is necessary for the body to absorb calcium. Copper is necessary for vitamin C activity. And so on. Mineral deficiencies can cause vitamin deficiencies, and vice versa. Epidemic mineral deficiency in America is a well-documented result of systematic soil depletion. (See Minerals chapter: thedoctorwithin.com)
So that is the other prime difference between whole food vitamins and synthetics: whole food vitamins contain within them many essential trace minerals necessary for their synergistic operation. Synthetic vitamins contain no trace minerals, relying on, and depleting, the body’s own mineral reserves.
FUNNY FARMS
Following the German agricultural methods of Von Leibig in the mid-1800s, American farmers found that NPK (nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium) was all that was necessary for crops to look good. (Frost p7) As long as NPK is added to the soil, crops can be produced and sold year after year from the same soil. They look OK. But the trace minerals vital for human nutrition are virtually absent from most American soil after all these years. Many of these minerals, such as zinc, copper, and magnesium, are necessary co-factors of vitamin activity. Depleted topsoil is one simple, widespread mechanism of both vitamin and mineral deficiency in American produce today. This doesn’t even take into account the tons of poisonous herbicides and pesticides dumped on crops. According to the UN, two million tons of pesticides are used worldwide annually. (Jensen, p69)
American agri-business has one motive: profit. Such a focus has resulted in an output of empty produce and a nation of unhealthy people. The earth’s immune system is its soil. To be vital and capable of growing vital foods, soil must be rich in both minerals and soil-based organisms – life forms. Healthy produce naturally resists insects. Insects are like bad bacteria in the body: they are attracted to diseased tissue, though they do not cause it.
THE FOODS OF COMMERCE
And we’re still only talking about people who actually eat raw fruits and vegetables, which is a minority. Processed food composes the majority of what most Americans eat. The only nutrients in most processed foods are “enriched” and “fortified” as described below.
When a doctor says that food supplements are all unnecessary because we can get everything we need from our food, that doctor is lacking basic information published and agreed upon by his own peers. Whether or not we need supplementation is no longer an issue, except for one who is totally out of touch. The issue is what kind and how much. Vitamin and mineral deficiency can be tagged to practically ANY disease syndrome known to man. DW Cavanaugh, MD of Cornell University actually concluded that
“There is only one major disease, and that is malnutrition.” (Jensen, p8)
Malnutrition of the affluent is the natural result of the foods of commerce.
WEBSURFING
The best vitamins are called whole food vitamins. It will be difficult finding this out on the Internet, however, because the Web is dominated by mainstream nutritional theory, which means pharmaceutical underwriting. In the area of vitamins, the Internet is 99% marketing; 1% actual information.
But then again, this isn’t Mission Difficult. This is Mission Impossible, Mr Hunt.
There are about 110 companies who sell vitamins in the US. Less than 5 of them use whole food vitamins. The reason is simple: whole food vitamins are expensive to make. A few of the largest pharmaceutical firms in the world mass produce synthetic vitamins for the vast majority of these 110 “vitamin” companies, who then put their own label on them, and every company claims theirs is the best! It’s ridiculous! Americans spend over $9 billion per year for synthetic vitamins. (Frost p2)
Whole food vitamins are obtained by taking a vitamin-rich plant, removing the water and the fiber in a cold vacuum process, free of chemicals, and then packaging for stability. The entire vitamin complex in this way can be captured intact, retaining its “functional and nutritional integrity.” (DeCava p.23.) Upon ingestion, the body is not required to draw on its own reserves in order to complete any missing elements from the vitamin complex.
Mainstream marketing of vitamins and minerals has successfully created the myth that vitamins and minerals may be isolated from each other, that correct amounts may be measured out, and then we can derive total benefit from taking these fractionated chemical creations. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Vitamins and minerals, and also enzymes, work closely together as co-factors for each other’s efficacy. If one part is missing, or in the wrong form or the wrong amount, entire chains of metabolic processes will not proceed normally. Result: downward spiralling of health, probably imperceptible for long periods of time.
MARKETING AND PROMOTION
What is the marketing philosophy behind the prevalence of the type of synthetic vitamins available in the supermarket and mall vitamin stores? Simple: profit above all else. Once the public is shown that vitamin supplementation is necessary, the rest is marketing. Marketing is the art of persuading by suspending logic and twisting data into junk science. Example: what’s the actual difference in composition between Wheaties and Total, two cereals put out by the same company? Total is advertised as being much more nutrient-rich than “ordinary” Wheaties. Look at the labels. What justifies the extra $1.30 for a box of Total? Answer: 1.5¢ worth of synthetic vitamins sprayed over the Wheaties. That’s it! That’s what “vitamin enriched” always means. The other trick word is “fortified.” Generally that means that the food itself is devoid of nutrients or enzymes, so they tried to pump it up a little with some “vitamins.” Cheap synthetic vitamin sprays are all that is required for the manufacturer to use labels like “enriched” and “fortified.” These words are red flags – if a food needs to be fortified or enriched, you can bet it was already dead.
The mega-vitamin theory doesn’t really hold when it comes to synthetics: If A Little Is Good, More Is Better. Macro doses of vitamin E, and also vitamin D have been shown to decrease immune function significantly. (DeCava) It stands to reason. Vitamins by definition are necessary in phenomenally small doses. The discoverer of thiamine, a B vitamin, and the man who came up with the word vitamin, Dr. Casimir Funk, has this to say about synthetics:
“Synthetic vitamins: these are highly inferior to vitamins from natural sources, also the synthetic product is well known to be far more toxic.”
Nutrition authority DeCava describes it:
“Natural food-source vitamins are enzymatically alive. Man-made synthetic vitamins are dead chemicals.”
- The Real Truth About Vitamins p 209
Oxymorons: military intelligence, rap music, synthetic vitamins.
The marketing of fractionated crystalline synthetic vitamins has been so successful that most nutritionists and doctors are unaware that there is something missing from these “vitamins.” Vitamin manufacturers compete for customers with identical products – they all bought their synthetic vitamins from the same couple of drug companies. To differentiate their product, each makes claims of “high potency.” Our vitamins are higher potency than theirs, etc. The point is, the higher the potency, the more the druglike effects are present. Natural whole food vitamins are very low potency. Remember the 20mg of vitamin C in a potato that was able to cure a patient of scurvy? That was low potency. Low potency is all we need. Low potency is enough to bring about vitamin activity. High potency overshoots the mark – the chemical is very pure and refined, like the difference between white sugar and the type of sugar that’s in an apple.
THE MILLIGRAM GAME
Generally speaking, if milligrams are being discussed at length, the author has no clue about vitamins. Synthetic vitamins are refined, high potency chemicals, and therefore may be accurately measured in milligrams, just like drugs. This has nothing to do with vitamin activity or nutrition, except in a negative way.
HALF THE STORY
The same type of incomplete action can be seen with any synthetic vitamin. Let’s take beta carotene for a minute, which the body can turn into vitamin A. Now you’ll remember that vitamin A is necessary for good eyesight, DNA synthesis, and protects cells from free radicals. A study reported in Apr 94 in the NEJM of some 30,000 Finnish subjects showed conclusively that synthetic vitamin A had no antioxidant effect whatsoever. A true antioxidant helps to protect heart muscle, lungs, and artery surfaces from breaking down prematurely. In this study, the subjects who received the synthetic beta carotene actually had an 8% higher incidence of fatal heart attacks, strokes, and lung cancer than those who got the placebo (sugar pill). Stands to reason: the synthetic brought no vitamin activity to the tissues that needed it. As a dead, purified chemical introduced into the body, the synthetic further stressed the immune system, the liver, and the kidneys which all had to try to break down this odd chemical and remove it from the body. It would be bad enough if they were harmless, but synthetic vitamins actually have a net negative effect.
Vitamin A
was first discovered in 1919. By 1924, it had been broken down and separated from its natural whole food complex: “purified.” By 1931, LaRoche – one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world, even today – had succeeded in “synthesizing” vitamin A. That means they had created a purely chemical copy of a fraction of naturally occurring vitamin A. Naturally occurring vitamin A is found associated with an entire group of other components:
– Retinols
– Retinoids
– Retinal
– Carotenoids
– Carotenes
– Fatty acids
- Vitamin C
- Vitamin E
- Vitamin B
– Vitamin D
– Enzymes
– Minerals
Vitamins and Minerals Somer 1992
Isolated from these other factors, vitamin A is a fraction which cannot perform its biological functions. Taken as a synthetic, it must then draw on this list of resources already in the body in order to complete its make-up. Whole food vitamin A, by contrast, is already complete and ready to go.
Most synthetic vitamin A consists only of retinal, retinol, or retinoic acid. The well-publicized potential for toxicity with mega doses of vitamin A involves one of these three. Vitamin A toxicity, known as hypervitaminosis, always results from an excess of synthetic, “purified” vitamin A, and never from whole food vitamin A. (DeCava, p 86) Effects of vitamin A toxicity include:
– tumor enhancement
– joint disorders
– osteoporosis
– extreme dryness of eyes, mouth and skin,
– enlargement of liver and spleen
– immune depression
– birth defects
Beta carotene
is a precursor the body can convert to vitamin A. Unfortunately, as a supplement, synthetic beta carotene is usually “stabilized” in refined vegetable oils. In this trans fatty acid form, oxidation occurs and the chemically “pure” beta carotene can no longer act as a nutrient, because it was changed. Almost all synthetic beta carotene is produced by the Swiss drug giant Hoffman-LaRoche. This form can no longer be converted to vitamin A. The best it can be is worthless, and the worst is toxic.
Natural vitamin A and beta carotene are well known as immune boosters and cancer fighters, in their role as antioxidants. Synthetic vitamin A by contrast has actually brought about significant increases in cancer. The same Finnish study we saw above provided smokers with large doses of synthetic beta carotene. Lung cancer incidence increased 18%! (NEJM Apr 94 “The Alpha Tocopherol Beta Carotene Cancer Prevention Study Group”)
These findings were corroborated two years later in another study written up in Lancet. Pharmacologic doses of synthetic beta carotenes were found to block the antioxidant activity of the other 50 naturally occurring carotenoids in the diet. Anti-cancer activity was thus blocked by the synthetic. (Lancet 1996)
With the vast outpouring of wrong information about vitamins A and C, the findings of a 1991 article in Health Counselor are no surprise: 50% of Americans are deficient in vitamin A and 41% are deficient in vitamin C.
Synthetic vitamins cannot prevent deficiencies.
FAKE VITAMIN B
In one experiment, synthetic vitamin B (thiamine) was shown to render 100% of a group of pigs sterile! 100% would be considered a significant finding. (Dr. Barnett Sure, Journ Natr 1939) Perhaps the fact that synthetic vitamin B comes from coal tar, maybe that has something to do with it, you think? Then there’s vitamin B12, which comes from activated sewage sludge. (Frost p 60) Been shooting blanks since you started on those multi’s?
For the licensed dieticians and clinical nutritionists reading this in disbelief because it is too “unscientific,” consider the way Theron Randolph MD delineated between natural and synthetic:
“A synthetically derived substance may cause a reaction in a chemically susceptible person when the same material of natural origin is tolerated, despite the two substances having identical chemical structures. The point is illustrated by the frequency of clinical reactions to synthetic vitamins – especially vitamin B1 and C – when the [same] naturally occurring vitamins are tolerated.”
Always keep this idea in mind when confronted with the marketing hook “bio-identical.”
IRRADIATION
According to Los Angeles naturopath, Dr. Jack Singh, all commercial lecithins in supplements, as well as most vitamin D, comes from irradiated vegetable oils. That’s rancid, oxidizing trans fatty acids! A birthday party of free radicals. This is the precise mechanism for arterial wall breakdown prior to plaque deposits, then arteriosclerosis, then heart disease. I thought we were supposed to be taking vitamins to stay healthy!
LOST HORIZON
Why is this information so difficult to find? It’s in none of the “alternative” health ‘zines, or any of the mainstream media. Alternative-Lite guru Julian Whittaker, in his summer 1998 newsletter actually had the temerity to state outright “Synthetic vitamins and whole food vitamins are identical.” I’m sure his synthetic vitamin company and all its retailers were reassured by this incredibly arrogant and flagrantly inaccurate pronouncement. But who is objecting? Only those clients of the 5 companies who know enough to take whole food vitamins, because they have become educated to realize the difference. These are the vast minority, having no control of the media.
Royal Lee and Harvey Wiley lost. Nobody knows who they are today, except we few. This is no accident. What everybody does know is Pepsi and Viagra and Wonder Bread and prednisone and Double Whoppers with Cheese and Zantac and Baskin-Robbins and Long’s Drug Store. And grocery store vitamins: synthetic vitamins. That’s America, today as the product of yesterday. Control of information in America today is one of the most sophisticated systems of influence ever devised. The simple ideas contained in this chapter are simply not available to the mass consciousness. The documentation is out there, but you really gotta dig.
100 years ago if a medical doctor saw a case of cancer he would call all his colleagues to come and have a look, telling them it was unlikely they would see another case, as cancer was so rare. People rarely died of heart attacks; in fact the term heart attack itself didn’t even exist. There was no incidence at all of atherosclerosis. Diabetes was practically unheard of. What did they eat? Fruits, vegetables, meat, butter, and lard. But none of it was processed with drugs and chemicals.
Today one in three dies of cancer. One in two dies of heart disease. Diabetes is the seventh leading cause of death in the U.S. (Vital Statistics) For anyone born after 2003, there is a one in 3 chance of Type 2 diabetes. Is that progress? If you are a food manufacturer it is, and especially if you are a drug manufacturer. In 2007 the WHO ranked the US as #39 in the world in infant mortality. Male sperm count is less than 20% of what it was in 1929. (1981 University of Florida report, Natural vs. Synthetic) Infant mortality is up; birth defects are up. We spend $1.5 trillion per year for health care, most of which goes for administration and executive salaries. Who are the largest advertisers for TV and the printed media? Right: drug companies and food manufacturers. Do they want to keep the ball rolling? You bet. Will they kill you to do it? You bet. Do they want people to take charge of their own health by natural inexpensive foods and supplements? Negative. A cure for cancer has been “right around the corner” since Nixon. People are starting to ask questions; they’re less inclined to believe the slick ads coming every 10 minutes on TV and in Newsweek.
Perhaps Hippocrates did not envision doctors as detail men or drug reps. He most likely thought like Henry Bieler, MD:
“Nature, if given the opportunity is always the greatest healer. It is the physician’s role to assist in this healing, to play a supporting role.”
– Finding the Right Cure for You
So what do you do? Well, you may now have some insight that your vitamin needs are not being met by the Walgreen’s generics. Wallach used to talk about expensive urine from these unmetabolized grocery store synthetic placebos.
The water soluble vitamins are best obtained through organic produce grown in mineral-rich soil. The best supplements in this category are the top-shelf green foods, like David Sandoval’s Best of Greens, and its equivalents.
The fat soluble vitamins, A, E, and D are best obtained through fish, raw dairy, avocado, raw nuts, raw coconut, and clean meats. High end supplements like Udo’s Choice, MOR, and Nordic Naturals can round out your EFA requirements
Beyond this it’s MLM marketing roulette, and if you can’t spot the mark in the first 5 minutes, baby, it’s you.
copyright MMIX
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