How The Anunnaki Prevent Disclosure

[observer]

[A Reptoid Anunnaki Presence Hiding In The Shadows]

There have been other threads that mention Clark's research (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62568-The-Anunnaki-of-Nibiru-C2C-A-must-listen&highlight=gerald+clark), and there are other threads that link interviews with Gerald Clark. This thread is here to show the members a direct link between Clark's work, Zecharia Sitchin, and even Edgar Cayce's work. Most importantly, Clark's work gives a clear evidential trail of research to which an investigator can go to source the interpretations Gerald proposes. All of his interpretations are based on ancient records which can be reviewed by any interested investigator.

Research References:

"The Anunnaki on Earth Coast to Coast AM" -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFmQw1N_cgQ

"26 Oct 2013 - The Anunnaki's Legacy" -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHuOs69w6-c

"The Anunnaki of Nibiru: Mankind's Forgotten Creators, Enslavers, Saviors, and Hidden Architects of the New World Order" - Gerald Clark
http://www.amazon.com/Anunnaki-Nibiru-Forgotten-Enslavers-Architects/dp/1491211229/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383851300&sr=1-1&keywords=anunnaki+of+nibiru

*Update*

This is also an excellent video, thank you heyakoh

Here's the latest interview with Gerald Clark.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8tYYkhU8gU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[heyokah]

Here's the latest interview with Gerald Clark.

Host Denise Chavez Goforth and Guest Gerald Clark Discussing The Anunnaki Of Nibiru on Blog Talk Radio.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8tYYkhU8gU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[observer]

The evidence will show that the global elite have mastered the technique of mind manipulation through the process of implanting thoughts using advanced microwave technology. This is exactly the same technology an hyperdimensional species of reptilian aliens have been using against the Mass of Humanity since the Dawn of Man. The same technology in use since those hyperdimensional reptilian aliens came to this planet and manipulated Neanderthal Man into Homo Sapiens, using advanced gene-splicing technology several hundred thousand years ago.

The evidence will show these advanced hyperdimensional reptilian aliens were known by the earliest civilization on this planet as the Anunnaki. The statuary left behind by this Sumerian Civilization, which was produced to represent these Anunnaki Gods, were reptilian in appearance. There is also a vast amount of evidence from other remotely detached civilizations, found around the world, which represent their gods as reptiles.

If one considers Clark's research and comes to the realization that these Anunnaki Gods never left, one can clearly see how the fate of Humanity has been cleverly manipulated since the Dawn of Man.

"They are very clever at what they do...."

Research Resources:

Dr. Barrie Trower -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdB-tbzJSrk
(move timer over to 11:00 minutes)

Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura - Brain Invaders -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MlttdaFBKA&list=PL0B83B0D0497E84C6

[heyokah]

Research Resources:

Dr. Barrie Trower -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdB-tbzJSrk
(move timer over to 11:00 minutes)

Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura - Brain Invaders -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MlttdaFBKA&list=PL0B83B0D0497E84C6

As you mentioned Dr. Barrie Tower, here's his website:

http://www.stopthecrime.net/trower.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JojdEH0nzos&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.stopthecrime.net

[observer]

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As you mentioned Dr. Barrie Tower, here's his website:
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Thank you, heyokah, for your input.

I linked Dr. Tower in comment #3 because few of the members will admit, or even understand, the information being accessed from telepathic communication is manipulated information. These techniques are technologies that are recently (within the past fifty, or so years) in the possession of the Global Elite. However, they are identical to the technologies that have been used against the Mass of Humanity dating all the way back to the Dawn of Man. If one takes the time to research what Dr. Tower is saying, one easily comes to the realization these microwave technologies are one-in-the-same as alien Anunnaki Technologies.

The historic record, dating back to the first written word, is littered with examples of telepathic communications in the form of prophecies from every form of seer, clairvoyant, prophet, channeler, or whatever other name you care to attach to the phenomenon. If the members were to spend the time listening to the Gerald Clark research that is linked in the OP it will become clear why there will never be a full and complete "disclosure", and who is really responsible for these circumstances.

[observer]

Many of the members believe Zecharia Sitchin's work was a hoax. Because some charlatan 'channeled' this revelation, many who believe in the telepathic thought entrainment phenomenon have subscribed to this character assassination of Sitchin.

The previous three comments in this thread were intended to show evidence that this telepathic phenomenon is a product of an high technology dating-back to the Dawn of Man. With what we now know about the aspects of the electromagnetic spectrum, there can be no doubt this is a weapon in the arsenal of the Anunnaki that has been in use since the genetic manipulation that created Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

If you have taken the time to listen to the Gerald Clark interviews that are posted in the OP, and you have researched any of the links that are referenced in those interviews, one will realize Sitchin was very much spot on.

I am linking this presentation by Michael Tellinger because in it Sitchin is referenced and further vindicated by the evidence. If one listens to what Tellinger has discovered, one will quickly realize these Anunnaki were an highly advanced technological race of hyperdimensional travelers. The artifacts that were left behind in South Africa serve no other purpose. The evidence is clear, these Anunnaki were technologically advanced even by our current standards, and they occupied the South African territory some four hundred thousand years ago.

Research Referenced:

Michael Tellinger - Anunnaki and Ancient Hidden Technology (MUST WATCH) -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiVROBhwHUM

[It is important to understand that the Anunnaki created nearly forty social systems in the days of Sumer that continue to control the foundations of civilization to this day. - see Samuel Noah Kramer, University of Pennsylvania]

If one will consider the evidence I will post in my next comment, one will clearly see the Anunnaki never left the planet.

[heyokah]

Thank you observer for this thought provoking speech of Michael Tellinger.
This was a great video, and if you had that 4 hour one going into more detail I would watch it in a heartbeat.

The first part of the presentation showed some amazing ancient technologies that were found in South Africa.

In the second part Michael Tellinger's ideas of how humans can become free from money are to me in the right direction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiVROBhwHUM

[AnnOther]

Thank you observer for this thought provoking speech of Michael Tellinger.
This was a great video, and if you had that 4 hour one going into more detail I would watch it in a heartbeat.

The first part of the presentation showed some amazing ancient technologies that were found in South Africa.

In the second part Michael Tellinger's ideas of how humans can become free from money are to me in the right direction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiVROBhwHUM

Great synopsis -- I usually can't spend that kind of time watching a video -- but I couldn't stop watching this one
it's fantastic
both parts -- the alien technology and the political part
thanks so much for the link

[observer]

This thread is about understanding why there will be no disclosure. The evidence which has been presented so far establishes a clear presence of Reptoid Aliens known to antiquity as Anunnaki. We could spend weeks presenting further evidence of the Anunnaki presence operating in the global theater, however, all of that evidence has been documented and well presented in every possible detail. All one need do is search-engine "ancient aliens", and millions of hits will be produced to which one might spend years of research.

The point of this thread is to show that these Reptoid Anunnaki are still among us, and that they control every aspect of our social structure. Without listening to the earlier evidence presented within this thread, it is useless to move-on to what will be presented next:

Statuary of ancient Anunnaki as depicted by the Sumerians:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d2p7TKWFJEU/UQRWBblsEII/AAAAAAAACZA/NYQz5EWkVH8/s1600/anunnaki.jpg

Statue of Inanna, the daughter of Enlil:

http://goddessinspired.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/inanna-descent.jpg

Take note to the reptilian toes and the wings depicted on Enlil's daughter, Inanna.
Note:
Enlil was one of the principal Sumerian gods who, as legend tells, was the god responsible for annihilating humanity with a flood (among other attempts). Enlil was Also Known As (A.K.A.) Yahweh, or Jehovah of the Old Testament, and as Allah of The Quran.


The Mothman legend is one of many contemporary legends that have a basis in eyewitness testimony:


http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b509/POV_At_Exit_0/Mothman_statue_2005_zps43b745c4.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/POV_At_Exit_0/media/Mothman_statue_2005_zps43b745c4.jpg.html)

Note the reptilian toes and the wings of this contemporary statue of Mothman - just like Enlil's daughter, Inanna.

Research Resources:

John Rhodes - Underground Bases, Reptilians Humanoid Are Underground Dwellers:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98oGrDWs4Bc

More from John Rhodes - Reptilian Humanoids & Secret Underground Locations:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCHZTXPU3yU&feature=youtu.be

John Rhodes Website:

http://www.reptoids.com/index.htm#indexwelcome

In Conclusion:

By carefully considering just the evidence presented within the first few comments of this thread, one can quickly come to the realization the Reptoid Anunnaki:



Have had a presence on this planet predating the emergence of Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
Were the genetic manipulators who created Humanity.
Have used advanced technologies on the Mass of Humanity in order to maintain control.
Continue to maintain this control through the Global Elite, whom now have possession of these advanced technologies.
And most importantly, why there will never be a complete disclosure until this charade is fully exposed.

[heyokah]

:bump: :bump: :bump:

This thread is really worth a bump

[MorningSong]

How curious... I have just listened to this interview of Jim Marrs and Mauro Biglino on Paradigm Unhinged:

http://irnfiles.com/audio/PDUBiglinoandMars.mp3

It definately is related to this thread.

[onawah]

It's interesting that this thread has manifested at this time.
The Annunaki and Reptilians have long been a subject for Conspiracy Theorists, and I have no doubt at all they were here and may still be here.
Whether they are still physically here or not, their influence remains, without a doubt.
Two threads that have re-sparked my interest in this subject are the Chris Thomas thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=761811#post761811
and the members-only Simon Parkes thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.
Chris Thomas, who claims he can read the Akashic Records, says that Sitchin's version of the Annunaki's history was planted by the Annunaki themselves, though he doesn't deny their presence here.
He says that a group of Annunaki came to Earth not too long ago and went back in time to plant those records so that humanity in this time would believe them to be our Creator Gods, enabling them to control us and take over the planet.
But they got trapped there and so had to remain, and thus did create a real history as well.
Simon Parkes says that what Sitchin recorded was mainly accurate with one big exception: the Annunaki did not bio-engineer the human race.

I think there is ample evidence of other ET races who have been here and have no doubt had a hand in the evolution of human DNA, so that makes sense to me, also because the Annunaki records show no evidence of other ET races here, and that is a very big omission, which raises a lot of questions about the accuracy of those records.
Thomas says the Annunaki ( he calls them the Velon) and the Reptilians are not one and the same, though their agendas, of course are similar.

If our own present day historians are fabricating a false history for us in our textbooks, there's certainly reason to believe that E.T.s with a controlling agenda may have been doing the same all along.
I hope this new information will help to sort out the truth from the fabrications.
Sorting the truth out from the fiction is going to be an ongoing challenge, it seems.
Perhaps a lot more of us are going to have to learn how to read the Akashic Records before we can be assured of what is our true history.
Of course, the subject of time lines makes it all way more complex, and for me, that's where comprehension begins to unravel.

[observer]

How curious... I have just listened to this interview of Jim Marrs and Mauro Biglino on Paradigm Unhinged:

http://irnfiles.com/audio/PDUBiglinoandMars.mp3

It definitely is related to this thread.

Thank you MorningSong for bringing Jim Marrs to our attention. I've been an avid supporter of Mr. Marrs' work all the way back to his exposé on the Kennedy assassination.

You can be double-sure when Jim says, "we've been lied to". The evidence will indicate everything we have ever been told is a LIE.

[observer]

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Chris Thomas, who claims he can read the Akashic Records, says that Sitchin's version of the Annunaki's history was planted by the Annunaki themselves, though he doesn't deny their presence here. He says that a group of Annunaki came to Earth not too long ago and went back in time to plant those records so that humanity in this time would believe them to be our Creator Gods, enabling them to control us and take over the planet..
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Simon Parkes says that what Sitchin recorded was mainly accurate with one big exception: the Anunnaki did not bio-engineer the human race.

I don't intend this reply to sound argumentative, however, there are several points you made that are just not supported by the evidence.

If one were to take the time and listen to what Gerald Clark is saying in the few interviews that were posted early in this thread, one will discover the records that Sitchin was interpreting have been scrutinized by scholars the world over and their conclusions are very much in sync with Zecharia's translations. [The major problem occurs when one looks at Sitchin's interpretations of those translations. Academic science refuses to see an 'ancient alien' interpretation in any records from antiquity.] These same translated records are derived from numerous sources from antiquity lending credibility to the "real" nature of their existence.

In his book, Clark follows the evolution of the Anunnaki gods through the emerging cultures in the [Middle East] and shows how individuals (such as Enlil) morphed later in history into gods of other names (A.K.A.). Clark is very thorough in his research leaving little doubt, in theology, there is an evidential trail leading all the back to the gods of Summer.

This notion that they were "planted" is a fabrication of some individual's telepathically implanted thoughts. All one need do is listen to what Dr. Barrie Tower is saying in the few interviews posted earlier in this thread, and one will realize the ability to manipulate a population with telepathically implanted thoughts is a reality the Global Elite now possess and use on the Mass of Humanity. It is not a far stretch of the imagination to come upon the realization this technology has been used since the Dawn of Man by those who control the Masses.


Sorting the truth out from the fiction is going to be an ongoing challenge, it seems.

Like Jim Marrs, I tend to follow the evidence, onawah.

Thank you for your input, I was just recently made aware of the Parkes thread, and had no knowledge of the Thomas thread.

[onawah]

I wasn't really trying to make points, Observer, just relaying some information related to this topic, particularly since it is interesting new info to Avalon on the subject of the Annunaki (i.e. the Simon Parkes threads and the Chris Thomas thread.)
If you think the info is wrong, that's fine, of course, but I'm not sure you understood what I wrote.
(And I have to confess that I need to go back and read both threads over again to make sure I've got it all right. I would welcome your input on those threads, if you read them, as the Annunaki have always been a subject of interest to me.)

It's important to remember that what Chris Thomas said is that the Annunaki who reportedly went back in time to plant the false story about being our Creator Gods were also unwittingly trapped in time when they went back to do that.
And so, naturally, they were forced to remain here and therefore DID create a real history.
Thomas just said that the history as it was recorded wasn't necessarily what really happened--not that they weren't really here and active.
I'm sure he went into more detail in his books, but I haven't read them, just what's been posted the in video interviews and transcribed into the thread.

Though as I see it, it makes sense that if they were in control of what was being recorded as history, they certainly could have altered that history to say anything they wanted to.
Whether they did or not, I don't know.
We all have our own theories and our own ways of collating and interpreting the evidence from various sources.

I agree that theories such as Thomas's could be implanted, just as Sitchin's ideas about what the records said could have been implanted.
But again, I personally think that there have been many ET races who have been here and possibly contributed their DNA to our species, and I think there is evidence to that effect.
So I doubt that we are solely the Annunaki's creation, though they certainly may have had a hand in it.
The other races may not have felt such a strong need to leave traces of their identities as the Annunaki did, so perhaps the Annunaki tried to take credit for some of the other things that other ETs did here over time as well.

And again, I believe Simon Parkes said that the Sumerian records were accurate, except for the part about the Annunaki bio-engineering humankind.
I would have to check to see if he said that Sitchin's interpretations in particular were wrong or the records about the bio-engineering themselves were falsified, but the point he was making was that the Annunaki did not bio-engineer us, and they didn't want us to know that because they fancied playing the role of Creator Gods.

[observer]

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It's wonderful that you've brought these issues up, onawah, because it gives me the opportunity to express what might be considered a radical interpretation of the evidence. This comment is not intended to prove any particular point, it is rather offered as a suggestion of an alternate point of view.

First, allow me to state, I'm among those who don't trust the accuracy of any implanted thoughts.

It is apparent from the historic record, dating back to the Dawn of Man, that our thoughts are being skillfully manipulated. I purposely mentioned Cayce in the OP so this fact of reality could be pointed-out sometime within this thread. However, the record doesn't start with Cayce, it begins with the prophets of antiquity. Cayce is an excellent example of how Truth can be skillfully manipulated, because most of what Cayce revealed was undeniable.

When a species is capable of moving in-and-out of this dimension (this particular reality), and that species has an agenda of controlling the Mass of Humanity, the foundations of the control mechanisms must be cleverly constructed lies. it is important to note a good bit of revelation gleaned from channeling is rock-solid Truth. It is through the clever manipulation of Truth that the best LIE is contrived. They are very clever at what they do.

Next, let's address the issue of text manipulation and time traveling. The records from antiquity gleaned from around the globe, from nearly every culture, indicate some god created mankind. This is no coincidence.

None of these mythologies say specifically how this was done. It's only when one applies the 'ancient alien' hypothesis to the interpretation of these mythologies that one can gain a more contemporary meaning from these translated text. This 'interpretation' technique is what Sitchin has been accused of doing by the traditional scientific community. It is only through accepting an alternative interpretation of these records from antiquity that one can develop an alternate understanding of the evidence.

If an hyperdimensional species were capable of traveling back in time (purely an hypothetical notion), then it would have been necessary for that species to travel back in time continuously to alter textual records throughout history, and around the globe - continuously.

Now, if as you say, these Anunnaki did get trapped in time when they went back, and if that did happen the first time they went back, than they would have been around continuously to do the manipulating, throughout recorded history. That would, of course, make these Anunnaki a part of our history, just as the record indicates.

No matter how one looks at it, these Reptoid Anunnaki have been manipulating the Mass of Humanity since the Dawn of Man. The evidence also suggests this control continues to this day.

And, the historic records indicate these same species of hyperdimensional Reptoids genetically altered Homo Sapiens Sapiens into existence. This is a modern interpretation of the ancient records

Thank you for your continued interest in this thread.

[FireHorse]

Greetings Observer. :wave:


It's wonderful that you've brought these issues up, onawah, because it gives me the opportunity to express what might be considered a radical interpretation of the evidence. This comment is not intended to prove any particular point, it is rather offered as a suggestion of an alternate point of view.

Interpretations of evidence and alternative points of view is why we are all here, yes?


First, allow me to state, I'm among those who don't trust the accuracy of any implanted thoughts.

Hmmm...implanted thoughts. Are you speaking of random thoughts we humans have on our own or are you referring to channeled messages?


It is apparent from the historic record, dating back to the Dawn of Man, that our thoughts are being skillfully manipulated. I purposely mentioned Cayce in the OP so this fact of reality could be pointed-out sometime within this thread. However, the record doesn't start with Cayce, it begins with the prophets of antiquity. Cayce is an excellent example of how Truth can be skillfully manipulated, because most of what Cayce revealed was undeniable.

Which historic record are you referring to and when was the "Dawn of Man?"

Are you stating that Cayce was manipulated? He's been called a psychic and an Akashic reader. There is some question as to whether or not his "readings" were manipulated, not by implanted thoughts but, by the fact that he "channeled" his information with trances. The "We have the body..." statement prior to his readings is/was a cause for concern. If he did, indeed, have a connection to the Akashic (as many do...Mona Wind, Aingeal Rose O'Grady, Chris Thomas, etc...), it is possible that he was interfered with.


When a species is capable of moving in-and-out of this dimension (this particular reality), and that species has an agenda of controlling the Mass of Humanity, the foundations of the control mechanisms must be cleverly constructed lies. it is important to note a good bit of revelation gleaned from channeling is rock-solid Truth. It is through the clever manipulation of Truth that the best LIE is contrived. They are very clever at what they do.

What if all channeling (except soul-to-psychic-to-soul communication) is corrupted disinformation?


Next, let's address the issue of text manipulation and time traveling. The records from antiquity gleaned from around the globe, from nearly every culture, indicate some god created mankind. This is no coincidence.

What if...our creator is not a "God" in a religious sense but an "It", conducting an experiment?


None of these mythologies say specifically how this was done.

That's because no one leaving behind the "records" knew. They could only speculate.


It's only when one applies the 'ancient alien' hypothesis to the interpretation of these mythologies that one can gain a more contemporary meaning from these translated text. This 'interpretation' technique is what Sitchin has been accused of doing by the traditional scientific community. It is only through accepting an alternative interpretation of these records from antiquity that one can develop an alternate understanding of the evidence.

What if Sitchin didn't misinterpret anything? What if he translated, word-for-word, exactly what was on the cuniform tablets but, that what was on the tablets is a lie/obfuscation? He merely read the book to us, not wrote it...


If an hyperdimensional species were capable of traveling back in time (purely an hypothetical notion), then it would have been necessary for that species to travel back in time continuously to alter textual records throughout history, and around the globe - continuously.

That all depends upon how far textual history goes back and how far back in time they went.


Now, if as you say, these Anunnaki did get trapped in time when they went back, and if that did happen the first time they went back, than they would have been around continuously to do the manipulating, throughout recorded history. That would, of course, make these Anunnaki a part of our history, just as the record indicates.

That also all depends upon how many Annunaki time traveled. It also depends upon whether or not anyone could see them, hear them or interact with them. What if just a couple of them went back in time, possibly surprised that it became a one-way trip, and "dictated" a story to a scribe, hoping humans would "discover" historical writings and "believe" they were true? What if the Annunaki are, for the most part, eternal, and the ones who got trapped hung around to observe, unable to do much of anything?


No matter how one looks at it, these Reptoid Anunnaki have been manipulating the Mass of Humanity since the Dawn of Man. The evidence also suggests this control continues to this day.

What if Annunaki are not "reptoid" in appearance? Did Sitchin translate them is "reptoid?" If he did, could that be part of the deception of the story?


And, the historic records indicate these same species of hyperdimensional Reptoids genetically altered Homo Sapiens Sapiens into existence. This is a modern interpretation of the ancient records.

What if Homo Sapiens Sapiens were, indeed, genetically altered/advanced but the Annunaki had absolutely nothing to do with that...just want you to believe they did?

What if reptoids/reptillians are no longer in our solar system/universe?

Onawah was merely pointing you to other information. Perhaps you could do more research on Chris Thomas, the Velon, the 14th Faction and the Human Plan. We are being manipulated but, perhaps, not in the way you might think.

Also, keep in mind, we humans are far greater than we realize and there are those that would love nothing better than to keep us distracted, stupid and afraid.

~FireHorse :roll:

[onawah]

Another what if is "what if the Annunaki are not Reptilians, but have only been confused with Reptilians because the two have similar agendas planned for Earth?

[observer]

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There is no need to address each of your questions, FireHorse.

I read into what you are commenting, a state of great confusion. Confusion has always been the agenda. They are very clever at what they do....

Semantics has been the primary cause of confusion since the Dawn of Man (= the creation of Homo Sapiens Sapiens). Different words used to express an identical concept has been the root cause of every conflict ever waged on this planet. This - by the way - is all by design.

It really is all much simpler than your questions would suggest. Many different words have been used to express very similar concepts. So allow me to address some of these concepts so that we all understand each other better:


Telepathically Implanted Thoughts = channeling = prophecy = remote viewing = seer = clairvoyants = oracles = transmitters = hearing voices = revelation, or a myriad of other names applied to the same process. These are all describing a very personal experience one has within their individual brain. These are only experiences one can express to another individual through subjective interpretations. Faith in the prophet is the only way one can justify the information. It is foundational to the construction of a lie for the individual receiving the information to be given the maximum amount of Truth in order to support the manipulation.


If one does enough research into the evidence, one will eventually come to realize, most of what is being telepathically implanted is manipulated information. To build one's understanding on Faith is to dwell on a slippery slope. Always follow the evidence because the key to the Truth can always be discovered there.


'Hyperdimensional entity' is a bit more difficult to consolidate. Consider this, Astral Plain = Akashic Records = fourth dimension = Field of Infinite Potential = Quantum Field = spirit world. One might even consider including the concepts of Heaven and Hell into this consolidation. Any entity capable of traveling in-and-out of reality outside of our particular reality and (in some form) manifesting itself within this particular reality is an hyperdimensional entity. Ghosts, Angles, Archons, Demons, and hyperdimensional reptoid aliens would all than have a very similar meaning.


When communicating a concept, it is important to discern through the semantics being used. One must use their own intellect to interpret the meaning intended. When a question arises, it is always best to follow the evidence. Much evidence was presented in the earlier comments of this thread. If one were to review these links, many of the questions being proffered would be answered.

Thank you for your participation.

[giovonni]

i believe this material and input is note worthy into being made a permanent sticky thread :thumb:!

[onawah]

What about reading the Akashic Records, Observer?
The Records are supposed to be well protected so that they cannot be changed, but do you think those who are attempting to read them can be interfered with, so that they come away with wrong information?
It would be interesting to do some cross-referencing with Turiya's thread about Chris Thomas, a reader of the Akashic at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=763987#post763987
We know that the controllers will plant an important untruth within a lot of facts in order to better fool the more discerning.
Our task now, it seems, is to become discerning enough that we can sort out those planted untruths from the facts, so we can still get the whole, undistored picture.
It's a time consuming process involving comparing and contrasting information from many sources, but it's what we've got, and it seems to be working slowly but surely.
It would be really nice if we had some kind of program in which we could enter all the info from all the sources and line it all up to make comparing and contrasting more streamlined.
Problems arise when people get emotionally invested in the particular material they are researching, and resist any contradicting theories gleaned by others, from other sources.
A good job for AI, but no doubt even that could be interfered with...

[observer]

Another what if is "what if the Annunaki are not Reptilians, but have only been confused with Reptilians because the two have similar agendas planned for Earth?

Thank you again onawah for allowing me the opportunity to express my observations.

Allow me to mention, I've been a member of Avalon back into the old Avalon website. I have always been "observer". Anyone wishing to view any of my comments need only go to that link on my homepage. The message I've reported in most of my comments has always been supported by hours of research. I rarely make a comment that is unsupported by documentation. I can only lead a horse to water....

Allow me also to inform the members who don't know me that I began my investigation into this phenomenon at the age of 14 with an high school term paper on Edgar Cayce. I have spent my entire adult life subscribing to every sort of channeled message, and later, investigating the phenomenon. I am now in my 67th year, and consider the observations I make to be well informed.

The few links that were presented in the beginning comments of this thread represent far less than one percent of the links that could have been offered. There is a library of thousands of hours of research at my disposal.

With that said, allow me to suggest, if one is investigating a phenomenon, the evidence will usually lead one to the proper conclusions.

Without hard physical evidence it is very difficult to determine the validity of an individual's personal subjective experience. I am speaking of evidence such as an implant, either removed or x-rayed; a second party witness to the event; physical artifacts returned after an alleged visitation; i.e., any sort of objective physical evidence to corroborate the message.

Telepathically implanted thoughts have been shown (in this thread alone) to be the result of an advanced electromagnetic technology.


“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” - Arthur C. Clarke

Any telepathically implanted message is suspect because of the nature of those manipulating the Astral Plane (see definition here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=763915&viewfull=1#post763915)). How, one may ask, are these Akashic Records (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records) sealed? .... by the report of some channeler? .... from the interpretation of a telepathically implanted thought? .... perhaps from some individual selling seminars on the topic.

One need only review the vast reservoir of evidence available to conclude this telepathic manipulation emanates essentially from one source. The evidence indicates this source is an hyperdimensional Reptoid life-form. A thorough review of Gerald Clark's research is conclusive enough to show a continuous agenda to control Humanity since the Dawn of Man. Clark's research is conclusive in naming these hyperdimensional Reptoid life-forms as The Anunnaki.

Please, to all the members, do the research....

[Crystine]

Might explaine why the Gieko Gekko Is so popular. Think about that. Or even why Kermit was so well loved.

[OnyxKnight]

This is also an excellent video, thank you heyakoh


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8tYYkhU8gU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The funny thing is - Denise does look a bit like the 'anunnaki' here in the picture before you play the video :D

[observer]

To see the content of onawah's comment #21 please click-on the forwarding icon.

Thank you for your effort in promoting an open dialogue between threads, onawah, but the OP of the Chris Thomas thread is not interested in hearing what was described as a, "contentious cursory viewpoint". I will do as was requested, and keep my comments out of that thread.

I would like to make one point regarding this issue, however.

Throughout my entire adult life, I have subscribed to many diverse telepathically implanted messages. I confess, I was totally taken-in by the magnitude of the apparent wealth of knowledge contained within many of these chaanneled messages. It was after over thirty years of subscription to these messages that I began to realize an agenda at work. It has been only in the past twenty years (or so) that I began investigating this agenda.

It merely took a "cursory" review of turiya's thread to realize the messages were coming from an individual making the claim to be a "remote viewer". This is nothing more than a channeler wishing to obscure the identity of his sources to the unwitting reader.

Within the art of remote viewing, as practiced by the Global Elite, there is an entire team of viewers, all working in unison on what is termed a "target". This is the textbook meaning of the term "remote viewer". This team approach is necessary to come any where close to accuracy because what they are viewing is a Field of Infinite Potential, otherwise known as the Quantum Field, or the Astral Plane, or the Akashic Records. No two individuals will ever get the same interpretation.

As soon as one determines Mr. Thomas' messages are founded within a source of questionable value, one must assess the information as questionable. One must also question why Mr. Thomas' mentors are confusing the available evidence with the addition of a pantheon of new species. There is no archeological record of these Velon aliens. Are they the manufacture of Mr. Thomas' imagination? One must also question why Mr. Thomas is vilifying all those individuals who are making an honest attempt to expose the available evidence related to these phenomena. Only information that can be founded in some sort of objective evidence, should ever be used to turn a theory into a fact.

Mr. Thomas presents an interesting theory, but without proof or evidence, that's all it is....

For a greater understanding of what the Akashic Records really are please review this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56913-What-controls-the-hologram

[FireHorse]

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There is no need to address each of your questions, FireHorse.

I read into what you are commenting, a state of great confusion. Confusion has always been the agenda. They are very clever at what they do....

Semantics has been the primary cause of confusion since the Dawn of Man (= the creation of Homo Sapiens Sapiens). Different words used to express an identical concept has been the root cause of every conflict ever waged on this planet. This - by the way - is all by design.

It really is all much simpler than your questions would suggest. Many different words have been used to express very similar concepts. So allow me to address some of these concepts so that we all understand each other better:



Telepathically Implanted Thoughts = channeling = prophecy = remote viewing = seer = clairvoyants = oracles = transmitters = hearing voices = revelation, or a myriad of other names applied to the same process. These are all describing a very personal experience one has within their individual brain. These are only experiences one can express to another individual through subjective interpretations. Faith in the prophet is the only way one can justify the information. It is foundational to the construction of a lie for the individual receiving the information to be given the maximum amount of Truth in order to support the manipulation.



If one does enough research into the evidence, one will eventually come to realize, most of what is being telepathically implanted is manipulated information. To build one's understanding on Faith is to dwell on a slippery slope. Always follow the evidence because the key to the Truth can always be discovered there.



'Hyperdimensional entity' is a bit more difficult to consolidate. Consider this, Astral Plain = Akashic Records = fourth dimension = Field of Infinite Potential = Quantum Field = spirit world. One might even consider including the concepts of Heaven and Hell into this consolidation. Any entity capable of traveling in-and-out of reality outside of our particular reality and (in some form) manifesting itself within this particular reality is an hyperdimensional entity. Ghosts, Angles, Archons, Demons, and hyperdimensional reptoid aliens would all than have a very similar meaning.



When communicating a concept, it is important to discern through the semantics being used. One must use their own intellect to interpret the meaning intended. When a question arises, it is always best to follow the evidence. Much evidence was presented in the earlier comments of this thread. If one were to review these links, many of the questions being proffered would be answered.

Thank you for your participation.

I wasn't requesting that each of my questions be addressed...a good portion of which was rhetorical. My point in posting was to offer additional information. And, I'm certainly not confused. Curious, yes. Confused, no.

And, speaking of confusion, the Akashic has nothing what so ever to do with hyperdimensional entities, astral "planes", the fourth dimension, the spirit world or whatever the heck the field of infinite potential is (I feel like I just waded thru word soup). Think library with many floors (an over-simplified description, yes, but accurate).

I am fascinated that you have managed to lump channeling & remote viewing into the same bucket with "implanted thoughts" & hearing voices. Granted, most channeling these days is disinformation but, remote viewing is an entirely different mechanism (transmitting instead of receiving). And, implanted thoughts & hearing voices is more of a localized thing (government; MK Ultra, anyone?) than an ET thing.

*sigh*
I won't post any further than this. Onawah and I, both, have attempted to provide more information to assist. The Annunaki thing, in and of itself, is a HUGE disinformation story. They are NOT reptilian in appearance and they did NOT genetically alter humans. They are one of six races of the Velon and they are interfering with our evolution...just not genetically. Politically, yes. Genetically, no. And, we are partially to blame for allowing them to remain. Again, we are more powerful than we realize. We just need to get off of our collective asses and clean house.

I'm out.

~FireHorse

[onawah]

I hope that sharing information will be the focus for this thread.
There is too much bickering because of different pet theories and agendas on forums, but when it comes to such vital info about our history, present and future, we just can't afford to let egos get in the way.
It seems a good possibility that even some of the most convincing evidence can and may have been forged.
And information without physical proof that could be considered nothing but hearsay can still provide wonderful leads for further and original research and material for thought if it comes from a source that we consider to be reliable, such as Simon Parkes.
I refer you to my last post # 1397 and the whole Simon Parkes thread here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=765256#post765256
...which is another good one to cross-reference with this one and the Chris Thomas thread (if we can just please agree to disagree, while still continuing to share!) :nod:

[observer]

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In this thread, we appreciate the comments of each individual, FireHorse.

My reply was in no way intended to insult your understanding. What I was attempting to impart in my words is that we are all confused - by design.

Lumping all those phenomena together into one generalization may seem to some as an oversimplification, but simplification is exactly what is required for understanding. Complexity of definitions describing one overall general process is what causes the confusion. The confusion is by design.

Perhaps I should have gone into greater detail in my comment (it was made with a generalization intended). It was a reply to you, however, and that is how I addressed it.

Let's revisit the issue of semantics. The record indicates that all language was manipulated for the sole purpose of confusion:


King James Bible - Acts 2:4:
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."

I quote scripture here only because it is a part of the record. This is the kind of evidence I point to. There is no doubt the Bible is one of the biggest stack of lies ever compiled. It is a perfect example of how Undeniable Truth is twisted into a Lie using telepathically implanted thoughts as the medium.

Filling one with the Holy Spirit, is simply another way of saying 'telepathically implanting thoughts'. Since there really is no way to objectively prove the structure of what is termed the Akashic Records, one must first realize these descriptions have all come from implanted thoughts, thereby justifying the generalization.

The Astral Plain is nothing more that a Field of Infinite Potential. Reading this field has infinitely possible interpretations. Hyperdimensional Reptoid Aliens have coopted the interpretation of this field using advanced electromagnetic technology - since the Dawn of Man.

Semantics is a situation that was intentionally included into the mix for the sole purpose of confusion.

As for, lumping all those phenomena into one basket, one must learn to discern between what is real and what is imagined.

It is important to always look at the evidence. Believing something is real because someone proclaims it to be so is called faith. Belief systems based on faith have no place in an investigation designed to seek the truth.

The members will be sorry to see you leave the discussion....

[observer]

I hope that sharing information will be the focus for this thread.
There is too much bickering because of different pet theories and agendas on forums, but when it comes to such vital info about our history, present and future, we just can't afford to let egos get in the way.
It seems a good possibility that even some of the most convincing evidence can and may have been forged.
And information without physical proof that could be considered nothing but hearsay can still provide wonderful leads for further and original research and material for thought if it comes from a source that we consider to be reliable, such as Simon Parkes.
I refer you to my last post # 1397 and the whole Simon Parkes thread here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=765256#post765256
...which is another good one to cross-reference with this one and the Chris Thomas thread (if we can just please agree to disagree, while still continuing to share!) :nod:

Welcome, again onawah.

So, if you review my reply to FireHorse (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=765320&viewfull=1#post765320), hopefully you will better understand the point of my comments.

I am attempting to impart on those members, who are open to an alternate point-of-view, a form of wisdom gleaned from a life time of investigation. I am no spring chicken to this 'telepathically implanted messages' phenomenon. Whenever I see the interpretations of these messages being heralded as Truth, it is my obligation as an observer to point-out the inconsistencies.

Do you really believe Simon will be open to a cross-examination? I have only a cursory understanding of his message, as it has been just recently that I was introduced to his thread.

I agree with you in spirit when you say:

"....information without physical proof that could be considered nothing but hearsay can still provide wonderful leads for further and original research and material for thought if it comes from a source that we consider to be reliable...."

Throughout the ages there have been a myriad of individuals who were considered "reliable" with their interpretations. I alone, spent over thirty years of my adult life subscribing to the interpretations of channels whom I considered "reliable". A great deal of what I understand came from insights reported from reliable channels. However, you will always find my comments leading to the physical evidence, for it is only through an investigation of the evidence that we can declare a verdict of True or False, which can ultimately only be a personal understanding.

Within my revelation, after a lifetime of research into the phenomenon, these messages are being cleverly manipulated for the sole purpose of keeping the Mass of Humanity confused - just like in the example that was referenced concerning the Holy Bible.

There is a grander scheme at work here.... far greater than anyone can imagine.

They are very clever at what they do....

[onawah]

Simon is not a channeler, Observer.
He is a lifelong Contactee, but a very unique one.
If you watch one or two of the main video interviews with him, I think you will understand why.
And you may pick up--as many of us on Avalon have--from his manner, his groundedness, his kindness, his bravery, that he is not on an ego trip, he is authentic and sincere.
And I think it would be hard to fool him, nor, I imagine, will he stand long for foolishness or ego trips.
He is a busy man, but has very kindly agreed to join us here to answer our questions and share his views with us, not only on the two threads here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54494-Simon-Parkes----Interviews
(for the public--best place to start, for the video interviews)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&highlight=simon+parkes+interviews
(for Avalonians only--best place for Qs & As dialogue with Simon)


...but in PMs as well, and he is going to do an interview with Avalonian Karelia in December for us.
He doesn't have any books or readings to sell, he's not getting paid for interacting with us here.
He lives modestly, but he has a lot of responsibility already as a council member for the city he lives in, in England.
He has to be careful not to say too much, because he is being monitored, of course.
But the fact that he is very open about his background (his grandfather was a high profile military Illuminati) as well as his Contact experiences, and is, at the same time, an active and popular politician in England--says a lot about him, I think you will agree.
Avalonians have been welcomed to ask him any questions we like, though to "cross examine" him might be less than courteous or respectful, I would think.
If you would like him to answer questions during the interview with Karelia, send your questions directly to her.
I'm not sure yet what form that will take--live chat, video, Skype, or whatever.
Please be aware that he is dyslexic and his time is limited, so with written questions, be brief and direct and expect the same, and please be understanding if his spelling, etc. is not perfect.
It would be good to take the time to watch some of the interviews and the Qs and As before you ask questions, to save everyone time.
I think you will find it a pursuit worthy of your time.

[Robin]

*sigh*
I won't post any further than this. Onawah and I, both, have attempted to provide more information to assist. The Annunaki thing, in and of itself, is a HUGE disinformation story. They are NOT reptilian in appearance and they did NOT genetically alter humans. They are one of six races of the Velon and they are interfering with our evolution...just not genetically. Politically, yes. Genetically, no. And, we are partially to blame for allowing them to remain. Again, we are more powerful than we realize. We just need to get off of our collective asses and clean house.

I'm out.

~FireHorse

I would like to put forth the notion that we should avoid pairing this thread and the thread on Chris Thomas. I view his information separate from everything else.

Not everybody on Avalon subscribes to what Chris Thomas is saying...including myself. I respect those who resonate with his information, but given the controversial nature of the material, I do not think it is wise to use his information as any form of finality on a subject.

I also think that it is unwise to speak of such matters such as who the Anunnaki really are with any degree of certainty. We simply do not know. There are so many conflicting viewpoints to know for sure.

I do welcome Chris Thomas's viewpoint, but I want to give people like Sitchin as much credence. I think that each may offer a piece of the puzzle, but we should not give all of our attention to one information source. :)

[FireHorse]

To see the content of onawah's comment #21 please click-on the forwarding icon.

Thank you for your effort in promoting an open dialogue between threads, onawah, but the OP of the Chris Thomas thread is not interested in hearing what was described as a, "contentious cursory viewpoint". I will do as was requested, and keep my comments out of that thread.

It merely took a "cursory" review of turiya's thread to realize the messages were coming from an individual making the claim to be a "remote viewer". This is nothing more than a channeler wishing to obscure the identity of his sources to the unwitting reader.

I really had no desire to post here, again but, this needs to be addressed.

Observer, you were not asked to keep your comments out of the Chris Thomas (An Update On Our Evolution) thread. You are playing fast and loose with the facts. This is what was said:

Post #190 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=764601&viewfull=1#post764601)


With respect - if you want to partake in the conversation, here, then it is suggested you come up to speed, otherwise future posts that continually show a contentious cursory viewpoint may end up on the "ignore list".Your quote above, admitting that you only "glanced" at the thread, is the problem. You claim to do research. You claim to present alternative views. You present yourself as open-minded. Then, when offered dialogue on a thread that you didn't start and that contains ideas to which you are, clearly, unfamiliar with, you dismiss it, arrogantly, because you "think" you know what's going on. You have already stated that you knew nothing of Chris Thomas or Simon Parkes but, you've already formed opinions about them.

You were not asked to leave. You were asked to "get up to speed", i.e. do the research that you are so fond of referring to and demanding of others.

I have been doing some searches on your posts. You and I have stomped thru some of the same information. You have some very valid points and present valuable information. But, in the interest of fairness, please try to step outside of the Sitchin material. It is not the end-all, be-all of human history.

And, please, try to honestly consider that the Annunaki are but one faction of a larger race and that, possibly, their own information (their own history in their own solar system) has been carefully blended with ours to make it more plausible (remember your "...The best contrived LIE is the one constructed with the greatest amount of TRUTH..."). There are five other Velon races, the Hathor in particular, that are also causing problems. Look up "celestoriums"...

Ok. I've said my piece/peace. :peace:

~FireHorse

[onawah]

While everyone is clarifying their stand on these issues, I feel I need to make it clear that I am not convinced that anyone has the whole or wholly accurate picture when it comes to the Annunaki, the Velon, the Reptilians or any of the theories that are being put forth on Avalon about them by various sources, including info from Sitchin, Chris Thomas, Simon Parkes, etc. or the conclusions drawn by any Avalonians, for that matter.
I'm not on anyone's "side".
I am just interested in reviewing the information, comparing and contrasting notes, and letting everyone come to their own conclusions.
I very much appreciate anyone who is willing to engage in that kind of discussion.
Disagreements about who is right or wrong is not helpful in that process--no one is omniscient here, after all.
It's all controversial material that we are looking at.
I do agree that anyone who wishes to comment on whatever information is being discussed should have reviewed the information well enough so that their comments are worthy of consideration--otherwise, it is just a waste of everyone's time.




I won't post any further than this. Onawah and I, both, have attempted to provide more information to assist. The Annunaki thing, in and of itself, is a HUGE disinformation story. They are NOT reptilian in appearance and they did NOT genetically alter humans. They are one of six races of the Velon and they are interfering with our evolution...just not genetically. Politically, yes. Genetically, no. And, we are partially to blame for allowing them to remain. Again, we are more powerful than we realize. We just need to get off of our collective asses and clean house.

I'm out.

~FireHorse

[observer]

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I would like to put forth the notion that we should avoid pairing this thread and the thread on Chris Thomas. I view his information separate from everything else.

I agree completely, Sam. This thread is a place where we can discuss objective physical evidence. The other threads, where this topic is being discussed, are using hear-say creations of individual's imaginations.

No arrogance intended, simply a statement of fact. (Sorry Sam if it appears like I'm using my reply to you as some sort of platform.)

[observer]

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[....snip]

"I am just interested in reviewing the information, comparing and contrasting notes, and letting everyone come to their own conclusions."


Thank you for your continued interest in the evidence, onawah. I respect your stated position, and I invite you to continue reviewing the documentation that is being offered in this thread.

Please don't interpret any of my comments as being arrogant. This simply is not the case. I speak from a perspective of years of experience.

In the trades, the master - the craftsman with the most experience - is given a certain amount of respect for his experience. Few journeymen regard these skills as an arrogance.

With that said, I would hope my interpretations within this thread are received with respect.

[observer]

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Dear Mr. FireHorse,

I saw your comment #192 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=765539&viewfull=1#post765539) in the Chris Thomas Thread. I would not characterize your words as those one would use in promoting an open dialogue. Nor, would I interpreted what you have said in your latest comment in this thread as - informed.

Allow me to point-out some fundamental facts:


This thread was linked into the Thomas Thread by a third party.
I was compelled by that linking to make a comment.
That comment stipulated to the fact that it was being made with only a "cursory" view of the data.
I went on to reply to the OP's reply with more detail.
This second comment was made after reviewing the first few pages of the thread, and concluding the information being discussed was the result of telepathically implanted thoughts.
I have no desire to spend hours reading fiction. I have subscribed to channeled messages for over thirty years of my adult life, and know how to distinguish fact from fiction, as clearly stated in an earlier comment in this thread.
The questions I asked in my second comment (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=764496&viewfull=1#post764496) were valid questions based on the cursory review I had made to that point.
turiya made my review of Chris Thomas' story a requirement for my further participation.
Because of my disinterst in the Thomas story, I opted out of that thread.
End of story.


You have chosen to banter about the forum an inaccuracy linking my previous calls for the members to "do the research" with what turiya is requiring of me in this case. When I ask members to "do the research" it is in reply to a member who has come into one of my threads of their own free will, and responded to a comment without researching what is being discussed. (I was compelled by linking to make a comment. There is a difference.)


You are welcome to continue commenting in this thread, but be advised, I will treat any of your further comments as hostile.

[observer]

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I honor your observation, Onix, however, I see a woman with a seductive aura....

Regardless of how one views the interviewer, how does this affect the presentation of the interviewee, Gerald Clark - in any way?

[gripreaper]

The evidence will show that the global elite have mastered the technique of mind manipulation through the process of implanting thoughts using advanced microwave technology.

Yup. And there are those who believe that they can use this technology with benevolent intent to steer the collective towards a beneficial outcome. How those who believe this technology would be implemented for good must be really evolved spiritually and have access to all truths, thus they would be able to impart it on the rest of us and steer us towards this ultimate truth.

Ugg!

[observer]

Yup. And there are those who believe that they can use this technology with benevolent intent to steer the collective towards a beneficial outcome. How those who believe this technology would be implemented for good must be really evolved spiritually and have access to all truths, thus they would be able to impart it on the rest of us and steer us towards this ultimate truth.

Ugg!


All, "if for the sake of just one righteous soul", right grip?

It appears as though the Kissinger/Brzezinski Cabal are those self appointed, "benevolent.... really evolved spiritually", Global Elite who have chosen to run the mind control machine by proxy for those Hyperdimensional Reptoid Anunnaki who have made use of this technology since the Dawn of Man - go figure.

....which begs the question, who gets to choose?

To the members:

How do we trust the manipulated collapsing of the Quantum Field of Infinite Potential by any hyperdimensional entity on our behalf?
How do we determine if any hyperdimensional entity has the best interest of Humanity as an agenda?
Question even you own mental revelations, but always review with skepticism the revelations of another individual.
....And most importantly, always follow the evidence.


They Are Very Clever At What They Do....

[ Thank you grip, for your continuing support.]

[heyokah]

Yup. And there are those who believe that they can use this technology with benevolent intent to steer the collective towards a beneficial outcome. How those who believe this technology would be implemented for good must be really evolved spiritually and have access to all truths, thus they would be able to impart it on the rest of us and steer us towards this ultimate truth.

Ugg!

Dear gripreaper,

Are you perhaps suggesting that one could fight those bastards with their own technology in the form of one's own highest vibrational frequency, or pure Consciousness?

[observer]

Yup. And there are those who believe that they can use this technology with benevolent intent to steer the collective towards a beneficial outcome. How those who believe this technology would be implemented for good must be really evolved spiritually and have access to all truths, thus they would be able to impart it on the rest of us and steer us towards this ultimate truth.

Ugg!

Dear gripreaper,

Are you perhaps suggesting that one could fight those bastards with their own technology in the form of one's own highest vibrational frequency, or pure Consciousness?

I am not answering for grip. I am making this observation prior to grip making any comment.

To the members:

The highly advanced technology I have been referencing is a physical machine. This technology has been used by the Reptoids since the dawn of man - using equipment that is electro-magnetic in nature, or more precisely, microwave technology. It is through the use of this microwave technology that the Quantum Field is collapsed to create the mental impressions being accessed by those channeling these messages.

It is only a dream that Humanity can attain the level of consciousness where we can collectively collapse the Quantum Field to our benefit. This is the Big Promise. As long as each individual creates his own reality the way he sees it.... as long as these Reptoid Anunnaki continue to manipulate the Quantum Field to their advantage.... and, until the Mass of Humanity wakes-up to this manipulation.... there will be no change, only more of the same a$$-biting-loops of birth-death-rebirth.

Wake-up Humanity....

[heyokah]

The evidence will show that the global elite have mastered the technique of mind manipulation through the process of implanting thoughts using advanced microwave technology.

Yup. And there are those who believe that they can use this technology with benevolent intent to steer the collective towards a beneficial outcome. How those who believe this technology would be implemented for good must be really evolved spiritually and have access to all truths, thus they would be able to impart it on the rest of us and steer us towards this ultimate truth.

Ugg!

Sorry grip, I might have misunderstood, as I'm not a native speaker (Dutch, living in France).
I read it as if you suggested you yourself were one of the
"And there are those who believe..."
Just too much reading between the lines from my part I guess.
Did I miss the irony? Was there irony? Or did I actually grasp the irony.....

Before answering I even looked up the
" Ugg! " and in the urban dictionary as well, but I just got this :p

http://i40.tinypic.com/2j0ziu0.jpg

[heyokah]

The highly advanced technology I have been referencing is a physical machine. This technology has been used by the Reptoids since the dawn of man - using equipment that is electro-magnetic in nature, or more precisely, microwave technology. It is through the use of this microwave technology that the Quantum Field is collapsed to create the mental impressions being accessed by those channeling these messages.

It is only a dream that Humanity can attain the level of consciousness where we can collectively collapse the Quantum Field to our benefit. This is the Big Promise as long as each individual creates his own reality the way he sees it.... as long as these Reptoid Anunnaki continue to manipulate the Quantum Field to their advantage..... and, until the Mass of Humanity wakes-up to this manipulation.... there will be no change, only more of the same a$$-biting-loops of birth-death-rebirth.



What happens when " the Mass of Humanity wakes-up to this manipulation"?
Does that Reptoid's "technology" used on humanity vanish, just like that??
Does it need a big revolution, or does the Mass of Humanity simply have to refuse 'to obey to the rules'.

At least, we as a minority could start with this:

http://i40.tinypic.com/s3d36q.jpg
The question is,

How do we wake-up "All of Humanity" to this manipulation ?
What "technology" will be used to (as grip so eloquently said) " impart it on the rest of us and steer us towards this ultimate truth"


OK, we are doing our best by what we are doing here on Avalon and in our own community.

If it is "only a dream that Humanity can attain the level of consciousness where we can collectively collapse the Quantum Field to our benefit", then will a certain amount of humanity (%) do ?

What do you think this breaking free is going to give us, once the Mass of Humanity eventually wakes-up to this manipulation?

Will it change everything?
OR, does this waking-up to this manipulation just give, besides the ones who think they are already awake, then also the rest of humanity, the consolation to finally know WHO or WHAT is manipulating and killing them, their souls, their hopes and illusions....... realizing nothing has changed in the end?
"No change, only more of the same a$$-biting-loops of birth-death-rebirth"?


****

Is there anybody out there who thinks to have a reasonable answer?

[OnyxKnight]

I honor your observation, Onix, however, I see a woman with a seductive aura....

Regardless of how one views the interviewer, how does this affect the presentation of the interviewee, Gerald Clark - in any way?

I just made observational comment, in case somebody wanted to know how the anunnaki look like. I haven't watched the video yet and that comment had nothing to do with her as a person etc. or her presentation. But will watch it now :)

[OnyxKnight]

But, in the interest of fairness, please try to step outside of the Sitchin material. It is not the end-all, be-all of human history.

Same could be said of your unconditional support of Chris Tomas. Why give somebody advice when you can't even apply it in your own case?

[heyokah]

But, in the interest of fairness, please try to step outside of the Sitchin material. It is not the end-all, be-all of human history.

Same could be said of your unconditional support of Chris Tomas. Why give somebody advice when you can't even apply it in your own case?


:becky: :becky: :becky:


Oooops, sorry


:pound:

[OnyxKnight]

:becky: :becky: :becky:


Oooops, sorry


:pound:

Did I do something wrong or ..? :tape2: :confused:

[donk]

What makes anyone think that disclosure even happened on the world where this crap all started anyway? Isn't it most likely a fractal/pattern, where whatever is going on here is just imported from the "elite" of another world?

In other words: what if the tablets and all "untainted" scrolls or ancient etchings and artifacts and heiroglyphs are all disinfo and "truth" mixed with or twisted by lies too--even when "correctly" translated and interpreted?

At best, they are just one being's perception of their existence, aren't they?

[observer]

Hi donk, thanks for your comment.

A reoccurring theme that runs through much of Dr. Joseph P. Farrell's work suggests that the records from antiquity which mention events from our pre-history, such as, Atlantis and Lemuria, and also much of what the Sumerian Civilization wrote about, are actually legends being retold of events that may have occurred on a planet that once occupied the space now known as the Asteroid Belt. I tend to run with this theory, because it is an interpretation best supported by the evidence.

Research Resources:

The Byte Show - (months of listening pleasure):
http://www.thebyteshow.com/JosephPFarrell.html

Just a few I can offer:

Dr. Joseph P. Farrell -The Giza Death Star

http://books.google.com/books?id=nzaiviPoS5oC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+giza+death&source=bll&ots=OhWPHVDLsS&sig=z2Bl95XTlkZpSXZ5iOT9_N-mw7E&hl=en&ei=mWqCTbGaCYLKgQf9xsDBCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=12&ved=0CGwQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q&f=false

Dr. Joseph P. Farrell - The Giza Death Star Deployed:

http://books.google.com/books?id=1yPOhLagyaAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+giza+death&source=bll&ots=np_WVH26aw&sig=k1XNoKyi-8uzDDktEvhSIfEWEFU&hl=en&ei=mWqCTbGaCYLKgQf9xsDBCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=13&ved=0CG8Q6AEwDA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Dr. Joseph P. Farrell - The Giza Death Star Destroyed:

http://books.google.com/books?id=_gc9RexD2PcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+giza+death&source=bll&ots=uhHeOewjyp&sig=RFpFbT-X16DJzgDVfjkEeaZa4MM&hl=en&ei=mWqCTbGaCYLKgQf9xsDBCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11&ved=0CGkQ6AEwCg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Dr. Farrell's YouTube Channel:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAF7Kv45Z3PNJOmms46I2Sw

Dr. Farrell's Website::

http://gizadeathstar.com/

Dr. Farrell has a PhD. in theology, and is a graduate, several times over, from various universities, including Oxford University. He writes on a verity of topics including alternative history, history, historical revisionism, archaeology, and science/physics. - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Farrell)

[Marianne]

i believe this material and input is note worthy into being made a permanent sticky thread :thumb:!

As so it is ...

[Robin]

This post is directed towards specifically onawah and turiya or anybody else who follow Chris Thomas. I'd love to hear everybody's input on this, however:

I know about the thread on Chris Thomas (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas). I check in on the thread when it is updated out of curiosity and to keep an open mind...though I do not take his words into much consideration as fact. I notice that those who frequently comment in his thread bring his revelations and Akashic readings into other threads...which I welcome and appreciate. But we should be careful.

I just want to reiterate that we all should not reach final conclusions from anybody, but rather look at what they say and see if we can discern anything relevant and apply it to the jigsaw puzzle of truth.

I think that those who read the Akashic records--or claim to read the Akashic records--should be reviewed and analyzed differently from, say, contactees such as Simon Parkes and researchers such as Zecharia Sitchin. I say this because Sitchin transcribed the Sumerian tablets from an objective standpoint, though may have embellished the story too. Simon, and other contactees provide subjective experiences and we must take their word...it can be rather easy to discern whether somebody is fabricating a contactee story, in my opinion.

But the Akashic records...oh my. There are so many people who claim to be able to read the Akashic records...and perhaps they all do! I think the best, most concise definition of the Akashic Records is from this website (http://spiritlibrary.com/spiritual-entities/akashic-records). The Akashic records are...

an energetic imprint of every thought, action, emotion, and experience that has ever occurred in time and space.

Looking at this definition, the Akashic records are everything that was, is, and will be. Quantum physics has a remarkable amount of evidence to suggest that the universe is infinite. There are an infinite amount of timelines an individual can go on, and likewise, humanity can go on.

That being said, lets bring up Chris Thomas and Andrew Bartzis. Chris Thomas claims that Bartzis is incorrect. Well...why can't Chris Thomas be incorrect? Resonating with information does not mean something is true!

To be honest, I think that they can both be right and wrong. And why not? I would assume that tapping into the Akashic records is a very difficult thing to do that may lead to some wrong turns and misunderstanding to those who do not possess the right faculties of the mind to read them.

It could be that:

They are both correct giving the infinity of the universe. Both Chris and Andrew are tapping into the Akashic records and seeing two different timelines of time/space and space/time relating to Earth and humanity.
Both are purposely misguided by entities.
Both are misguided out of naivety.
Both have some parts right and some parts wrong.

To summarize my point, I think that the Akashic records can be read from many angles and directions given the infinite nature of the multi-universe we are part of. It is possibly to tap into different timelines in points of time and space.

Perhaps Chris Thomas is looking at a different timeline than we are currently on now....which may explain his claim that The Sumerian tablets were purposely hidden to "fool" us into a believing a false story. In this case...he would be incorrect, though unknowingly and justifiably.

In my opinion, Chris Thomas's claim that the Sumerian tablets were purposely hidden to test humanity is no different than devout Christians believing that God put dinosaur fossils in the ground to test humanity's faith in him. A bunch of rubbish if you ask me...

[observer]

Hi Sam, thanks again for your continuing interest.

I think you have hit the nail right on the head when you say:

"To summarize my point, I think that the Akashic records can be read from many angles and directions given the infinite nature of the multi-universe we are part of."

The best explanation of just what the Akashic Records may be is described in Quantum Physics as The Field of Infinite Potential, A.K.A. The Quantum Field. I do believe we are speaking of exactly the same phenomenon (semantics).

Quantum experiments have demonstrated that electrons (a quanta of mater) are a wave-form until they are collapsed into matter, by an observer. This would hold true for all mater as these same quantum experiments have produced the same results the world over.

Since we all exist within a field of infinite potential, and since we all perceive our realities in very much the same way, it only follows that something is controlling the hologram in which we reside, otherwise you would see an apple, and I would see an elppa - a bit of intended humor.

The members may wish to review these concepts further, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56913-What-controls-the-hologram).

Accepting this as a fact, one then must consider that everything an individual perceives from this Quantum Field in the form of mental images, is very likely manipulated. The technology behind Telepathic Manipulation was discussed earlier within this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=755329&viewfull=1#post755329).

Further, there is nothing, other than the reports of psychic individuals, over the history of Humanity, to verify there are any sort of Akashic Records, although I would stipulate the potential for this possibility is as infinite as the Quantum Field. So, it is very likely that everything that ever was, is somewhere within this field just as everything that can ever be.

When the Global Elite use the technique of Remote Viewing, they use an entire team of psychics to view a 'target'. The reason for this is obvious. Five different viewers will get five different 'readings'. By focusing on a single 'target' the moderator can then synthesize the results and possibly come-up with some solution.

I continue to maintain that all telepathically implanted thoughts, are manipulated. That is simply my personal conclusion....

[observer]

This comment is directed at all those who spend their time in Avalon vilifying the work of great men. Men who have had the courage to open new doors and work against the established order in the name of Seeking the Truth. It is especially directed at those members who seem determined to vilify the work of men like Zecharia Sitchin, Jordon Maxwell, David Icke, and other similar pioneers.

It has been stated many times on this thread and in others, No One Is Making The Claim That Sitchin's Work Was Without Flaws. The point of why Sitchin's work was so important relates to the doors that he opened, not to the accuracy of his work.

It matters not that some third party individual has made the claim that Sitchin's work is based on 'channeled' material. As I've tried to point-out many times, the phenomenon of 'channeling' is little more than the phenomenon of Implanted Telepathic Thoughts. We all have them. We all work on the thoughts in our heads.

Some of us are more capable of working with the available evidence, than others. Sitchin worked with the available evidence. He then synthesized that evidence with an idea he had regarding the incorporation of an alien agenda into his interpretation of that available evidence. Does anyone suggest that Sitchin's idea was not the product of Telepathically Implanted Thoughts? Of course it was.

The difference between reporting on the implanted thoughts as gospel fact, and synthesizing those implanted thoughts with the objective evidence should be obvious to any discerning member.

A case in point, scroll down to the eighth paragraph in Lloyd Pie's autobiography, where it begins with the words, "Finally, at 45, I read Zecharia Sitchin’s classic book about Sumerian prehistory".

Link:
http://lloydpye.com/biography.htm

Lloyd Pie was a great researcher. He built his work on the shoulders of Zecharia Sitchin, also a great researcher.

Both of these men are among a list of many others who have had the courage to buck the system and present new concepts to be blended into the Mass Consciousness.

Don't minimize the work of any man dedicated to finding the Truth through the exploration of the available objective evidence, regardless of what some other individual might have to say about them.

[onawah]

I will just say that I don't have any real fixed opinions about any of this information, but I do find a lot of it very interesting.
I think above all it's vital to keep an open mind.
Something may resonate very strongly with me today, but tomorrow a new piece of the puzzle may change my way of thinking entirely, but I'm aware of that, so I don't get too attached to any particular theories or perspectives.

But I pay very close attention to what I am feeling, even more than what I am thinking.
My feelings seldom steer me wrong, whereas something I'm thinking may make perfect sense and have all sorts of evidence to back up its validity, but the whole construct is still liable to tumble and fall to a pile of rubble at any point.
Whereas my feelings about things, however illogical they may seem, are usually fairly accurate, though they can change too, just as I change.
NOT always accurate, but frequently.
I try to keep in mind that we are living in a holographic illusion, and that we probably don't actually know very much at all about how or why it actually "works".
From that perspective, it seems kind of silly to take anyone 100% seriously, or take anything as gospel truth...
Frequently the Fool, who never plays such games, is the wisest one of all :jester:

[observer]

Thank you onawah, you are among the few whom I haven't driven away with my apparently offensive rhetoric. It would seem, no one wants their paradigm shattered.... their theology questioned.

No one can prove a fact using intuition alone. Every Law of Science is established using reproducible experiments.

Intuition is a critical part of leading a researcher into uncharted waters, but without hard physical evidence one is simply subscribing to fiction.

There is no comparison to an alternative interpretation of evidence, on the one hand, and creating a story purely from one's imagination, on the other.

When an investigator looks at physical evidence and gives an interpretation contrary to the established understanding, that interpretation is rarely accepted by the establishment.

As a result we have individuals like Lloyd Pye, and Zecharia Sitchin.

They are vilified for their alternative interpretations of the available evidence. One might classify these renegade interpretations as the Ancient Alien Hypothesis, - an hypothesis that is flatly rejected by the established order. This is precisely why one will find an abundance of debunking information, from both the scientific, and religious communities whenever a pioneer steps forward.

When a psychic relates his impressions of a psychic experience, he is only relating his own personal experience. To make-up, out of one's own imagination, a species of aliens with no physical evidence to substantiate the claim, is equivalent to nothing more than a bad movie script (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas).

Now, I will stipulate that the available evidence indicates - assuming the Ancient Alien Hypothesis - that the planet was populated by as few as five different alien species - black, white, red, yellow, and blue, to mention just five off the top of my head. The evidence also leads to the interpretation that these five distinct divisions were all a result of the genetic manipulations of the Sons of Anu. Thus, the literal translation of the word Anunnaki.

An Ancient Alien Hypothesis - interpretation - of this word, Anunnaki, would be something like, "those who from heaven came".

Do you see how anyone with a contrary point of view can shoot holes into this form of logic, if one rejects the Ancient Alien Hypothesis?

Thank you again for your continuing participation....

[onawah]

Agreed, but physical evidence can still be manipulated, misinterpreted and falsified.
The importance of intuition, or you can call it "gut instinct" should not be underestimated.
I may have all the documentation in the world that says that something is a certain way, but if I feel in my gut that something is wrong, I will go with my gut.
It may not become clear for a long time that my gut was right, but sooner or later, more often than not, it will.




No one can prove a fact using intuition alone. Every Law of Science is established using reproducible experiments.
Intuition is a critical part of leading a researcher into uncharted waters, but without hard physical evidence one is simply subscribing to fiction.

[MorningSong]

I came across this today... Sumerian tablets are being translated and revisited like carzy (edit: I meant "crazy") lately:


Was Noah's Ark round? Scholar says 3,700-year-old clay tablet reveals boat was a coracle made out of reeds and bitumen

Dr Irving Finkel has translated cuneiform text on an 3,700-old clay tablet
The ancient script details the Mesopotamian story of Noah's Ark
The text also contains instructions on how to build an ark to escape a flood
But its describes the craft as being a round 220-ft diameter coracle
The design is very different to the popular imagining of a traditional ship

By Suzannah Hills

PUBLISHED: 14:51 GMT, 15 December 2013 | UPDATED: 15:33 GMT, 15 December 2013

Noah's Ark is often depicted as a pointy-prowed traditional ship.

But new research suggests it was very different from popular imagining, and was actually a circular craft made out of reeds.

Dr Irving Finkel reveals his ground-breaking discovery into the ancient myth in his new book called In The Ark Before Noah: Decoding The Story Of The Flood.

As an expert in deciphering cuneiform script, Dr Finkel managed to piece together information on the ark from a 3,700-year-old clay tablet.

His translation of the ancient text throws light on the Mesopotamian story, which became the account in Genesis in the Old Testament, of Noah and the ark that saved his menagerie from the flood waters which drowned every other living thing on earth.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2524056/Noahs-Ark-coracle-reeds-bitumen-reveals-Babylonian-text.html#ixzz2nkkZf8Go

[observer]

Thank you morningsong, for your very relevant link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=773904&viewfull=1#post773904).

If one clicks on the link you provided (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2524056/Noahs-Ark-coracle-reeds-bitumen-reveals-Babylonian-text.html#ixzz2nkkZf8Go), and scrolls-down to the graphic image of the circular ship, it doesn't become a great leap of conjecture, to interpret the understanding of this graphic into an Ancient Alien Model translation. Especially when one considers the modern understanding of genetic science. Had "all the species of the earth" been reduced to their genetic base pairs, and then stored in a laboratory environment, in what would appear to ancient man as a circular ship, then the translations of these text would have a completely different context.

I again address the issue, mainstream science is unwilling to play the Ancient Alien Card, and because of this resistance, all research in this area is ignored, or vilified.

[heyokah]

............
I am linking this presentation by Michael Tellinger because in it Sitchin is referenced and further vindicated by the evidence. If one listens to what Tellinger has discovered, one will quickly realize these Anunnaki were an highly advanced technological race of hyperdimensional travelers. The artifacts that were left behind in South Africa serve no other purpose. The evidence is clear, these Anunnaki were technologically advanced even by our current standards, and they occupied the South African territory some four hundred thousand years ago.

Research Referenced:

Michael Tellinger - Anunnaki and Ancient Hidden Technology (MUST WATCH) -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiVROBhwHUM

[It is important to understand that the Anunnaki created nearly forty social systems in the days of Sumer that continue to control the foundations of civilization to this day. - see Samuel Noah Kramer, University of Pennsylvania]

If one will consider the evidence I will post in my next comment, one will clearly see the Anunnaki never left the planet.

I see that the link to the Michael Tellinger video, "Anunnaki and Ancient Hidden Technology (MUST WATCH)" doesn't work anymore.
One gets the message:

"The YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement."

I found a new copy of the lecture under another name: "Annunaki Nephilim Ancient Astronauts NEW INFORMATION MUST WATCH NOW!!!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2weEI1F64o

Michael Tellinger is a scientist, explorer and internationally acclaimed author of numerous books, who has become an authority on the vanished civilisations of Southern Africa and the origins of humankind.
His research and discoveries of an advanced vanished civilisation in South Africa includes a diverse field of research and touches on human origins, spirituality, science & consciousness.

Long before the Egyptians saw the light of day, an advanced civilisation of humans lived in southern Africa mining gold.
These were also the people who carved the first Horus bird, the first Sphinx, built the first Pyramids and built an accurate stone calendar right in the heart of it all.
Adam’s Calendar is the flagship among millions of circular stone ruins, ancient roads, agricultural terraces and thousands of ancient mines, left behind by the Anunnaki and a vanished civilisation which we now call the FIRST PEOPLE.

[heyokah]

Perhaps a good question to bump the thread with?




The highly advanced technology I have been referencing is a physical machine. This technology has been used by the Reptoids since the dawn of man - using equipment that is electro-magnetic in nature, or more precisely, microwave technology. It is through the use of this microwave technology that the Quantum Field is collapsed to create the mental impressions being accessed by those channeling these messages.

It is only a dream that Humanity can attain the level of consciousness where we can collectively collapse the Quantum Field to our benefit. This is the Big Promise as long as each individual creates his own reality the way he sees it.... as long as these Reptoid Anunnaki continue to manipulate the Quantum Field to their advantage..... and, until the Mass of Humanity wakes-up to this manipulation.... there will be no change, only more of the same a$$-biting-loops of birth-death-rebirth.



What happens when " the Mass of Humanity wakes-up to this manipulation"?
Does that Reptoid's "technology" used on humanity vanish, just like that??
Does it need a big revolution, or does the Mass of Humanity simply have to refuse 'to obey to the rules'.

At least, we as a minority could start with this:

http://i40.tinypic.com/s3d36q.jpg
The question is,

How do we wake-up "All of Humanity" to this manipulation ?
What "technology" will be used to (as grip so eloquently said) " impart it on the rest of us and steer us towards this ultimate truth"


OK, we are doing our best by what we are doing here on Avalon and in our own community.

If it is "only a dream that Humanity can attain the level of consciousness where we can collectively collapse the Quantum Field to our benefit", then will a certain amount of humanity (%) do ?

What do you think this breaking free is going to give us, once the Mass of Humanity eventually wakes-up to this manipulation?

Will it change everything?
OR, does this waking-up to this manipulation just give, besides the ones who think they are already awake, then also the rest of humanity, the consolation to finally know WHO or WHAT is manipulating and killing them, their souls, their hopes and illusions....... realizing nothing has changed in the end?
"No change, only more of the same a$$-biting-loops of birth-death-rebirth" ?


****

Is there anybody out there who thinks to have a reasonable answer??

[OnyxKnight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2weEI1F64o

Its ridiculous that they are pictured with such a dark complexion.

[heyokah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2weEI1F64o

Its ridiculous that they are pictured with such a dark complexion.

Michael Telliger's is an authority on the vanished civilisations of Southern Africa and the origins of humankind.
As you saw in the video, it was about an advanced civilisation of humans that lived in southern Africa mining gold.

The leading theory is that skin color adapts to intense sunlight irradiation to provide partial protection against the ultraviolet fraction that produces damage and thus mutations in the DNA of the skin cells.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color

I could agree with you on the shade of darkness though. That was entirely up to the artist, I suppose.
Maybe these Anunnaki were pictured the way they looked when they came straight out of the coal mines to inspect their workers.
Oh, no, sh##, they were gold mines! :doh:
Well that explains their golden auras....

[observer]

[....snip]

What happens when " the Mass of Humanity wakes-up to this manipulation"?
Does that Reptoid's "technology" used on humanity vanish, just like that??
Does it need a big revolution, or does the Mass of Humanity simply have to refuse 'to obey to the rules'.

[....snip]

Is there anybody out there who thinks to have a reasonable answer?


I'm sorry not to have addressed your earlier questions, heyokah. I was totally distracted into the pursuit of another topic to which I have very little understanding regarding the new developments in that field. I will try to focus on this thread in the future, as this is where my expertise lies.

The best answer I can give relates to understanding the problem.

Very few individuals will even look at the possibility that the Mass of Humanity has been cleverly controlled by hyperdimensional entities since the Dawn of Man. From my life-long investigation into the phenomenon, the best description I can suggest refers to a "Feeding Operation".

With that said, and no further need to dwell on that part of the issue, this thread was designed to show how the Anunnaki/Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities have maintained this control mechanism since the creation of Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

I would suggest nothing will ever change within this particular reality until a sufficient number of conscious beings are aware of how the mechanisms work.

No system has ever changed until those effected by that system become aware of the technologies in place. Understanding these technologies is foundational to stopping their adverse effects.

[heyokah]

[....snip]

What happens when " the Mass of Humanity wakes-up to this manipulation"?
Does that Reptoid's "technology" used on humanity vanish, just like that??
Does it need a big revolution, or does the Mass of Humanity simply have to refuse 'to obey to the rules'.

[....snip]

Is there anybody out there who thinks to have a reasonable answer?


I'm sorry not to have addressed your earlier questions, heyokah. I was totally distracted into the pursuit of another topic to which I have very little understanding regarding the new developments in that field. I will try to focus on this thread in the future, as this is where my expertise lies.

The best answer I can give relates to understanding the problem.

Very few individuals will even look at the possibility that the Mass of Humanity has been cleverly controlled by hyperdimensional entities since the Dawn of Man. From my life-long investigation into the phenomenon, the best description I can suggest refers to a "Feeding Operation".

With that said, and no further need to dwell on that part of the issue, this thread was designed to show how the Anunnaki/Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities have maintained this control mechanism since the creation of Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

I would suggest nothing will ever change within this particular reality until a sufficient number of conscious beings are aware of how the mechanisms work.

No system has ever changed until those effected by that system become aware of the technologies in place. Understanding these technologies is foundational to stopping their adverse effects.


Thank you observer.
Yes to become aware and understanding are the start.

And now I found this video where David Icke gives me the final answer......
One has to listen up till the end to fully get it.

Raising one's own vibrational frequency to that of Love will make you 'untouchable' ....

And the funny thing is, I've always known it :)

~~~~

David Icke: Global Collapse, Reptilians and The Realm of the Unseen



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRodBb1eO4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[observer]

Thank you heyokah for a most relevant David Icke interview.

Here are links to all of the codices and gospels found in the Nag Hammadi Library, the documents discovered in the Egyptian Desert in 1945 which David spoke of in the interview:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/nag_hammadi/contents.htm

David Icke is one of the most well versed researchers regarding hyperdimensional manipulation of our reality. He explains the processes, and documents the evidence leading to his conclusions.

For the members who are unfamiliar with the fundamentals of what David is speaking, here's a link to one of David's best books on the subject:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/bigsec/biggestsecret.htm

[observer]

Visualize, if you will, a template being applied to the evolving Mass of Humanity since the Dawn of Man. This template looks very much like a bull's-eye target, or concentric rings, one ring within another, where each ring expresses greater levels of secrecy, until one eventually gets to the center of the bull's-eye. At that point, one is totally possessed by the hyperdimensional entities applying the template to the social structure.

This is the nature of the cabalistic template which has continued since the very first civilization appeared on our planet. This manipulation of the social structure has been a continuous phenomenon. At the darkest levels of secrecy, there are rituals designed to invoke these hyperdimensional entities which have been the guiding light for the Global Elite since man first civilized.

The template of secrecy is the only way this obscenity can continue.

In a further attempt to show an evidential trail of how advanced technology has been used against the Mass of Humanity, I offer the following Jim Marrs video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj3IJtHHlqc

[observer]

More from Jim Marrs on the Anunnaki connection to contemporary circumstances.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYKZNtxDrQs
(The discussion regarding Anunnaki begins around 12 min.; 30 sec.)

Note:

Keep your eye on the video footage throughout the length of the video.
What Jim is referred to as Anunnaki is nothing more than Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=762151&viewfull=1#post762151).

[observer]

More dot connecting.

This is what is meant by "objective evidence". There is no need to trust some fantastic story concocted by a possibly delusional individual. All any one need do is look at the evidential trail and discern for themselves an interpretation of what is occurring.

In this following video, Peter Levenda gives a detailed connection of dots that supports the conclusion, "The Anunnaki are preventing disclosure".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj2qrl6Q2rk

Mysterious bishops; Telepathically implanted thoughts; The Nine; Nazi New World Order Agenda; Secret Cabalistic Societies; The Kennedy Assassination; The Secret Space Program.... all relating back to Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities manipulating this particular reality (Anunnaki).

[heyokah]

More from Jim Marrs on the Anunnaki connection to contemporary circumstances.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYKZNtxDrQs
(The discussion regarding Anunnaki begins around 12 min.; 30 sec.)

Note:


Keep your eye on the video footage throughout the length of the video.
What Jim is referred to as Anunnaki is nothing more than Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=762151&viewfull=1#post762151).


Thank you for this interview and the presentation "Future Technology From The Past"

Love Jim Marrs's way, He's just straight up truthful. His presentations and accomodating nature make him very easy to listen to.

And very interesting footages indeed.
Do you feel that the majority of UFO sightings are generated by superimposing these images in the sky to keep us all further off balance?
Like they do, for instance, by causing the whole Fukushima disaster.

People that are confused and in fear are more easily being manipulated and controlled.

[heyokah]

I will comment on my own question.


And very interesting footages indeed.
Do you feel that the majority of UFO sightings are generated by superimposing these images in the sky to keep us all further off balance?


Yes, up till now the question was, are those objects we see in our sky projected holograms, our own secretly developed spacecrafts, or are they visitors from outer space?

But how about this theory:
"Ufos have their homeland in inner earth....the mysterious land beyond the poles, the true origine of the flying saucer"....

Could that be part of what the Anunnaki are Preventing to be Disclosed?

****

Here are two parts of the documentary "PLAUSIBLE POINTS FOR THE REPTILIAN CASE", that deal with this inner earth theory.

* part 8.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNoIa1BUhPs&feature=share&list=PLR03Wazmqjc9OpFV8YGOIlmh2kO4XDDDs&index=7

* part 9.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjpLlpmQSWE&feature=share&list=PLR03Wazmqjc9OpFV8YGOIlmh2kO4XDDDs&index=8

add

This is interesting too.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67223-Dwight-D-Eisenhower-They-are-not-from-outer-space

[observer]

I will comment on my own question....[snip]

In response to heyokah's comment #70,

I believe the answer to your question is, all of the above.

Had the Anunnaki never left the planet for the reasons cited in Gerald Clark's (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=754547&viewfull=1#post754547) interview listed in the OP, i.e. because of the "aging problem" documented in the Sumerian Records, surely, they would have found underground facilities. Just such facilities were documented by, among many others, Phil Schneider (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf7vLXf5bNo). There is no question regarding an underground "alien" presence. Many of those reporting just such facilities additionally report a reptoid alien. This fits right into what I've been pointing at since the OP of this Thread. The Anunnaki were reptoids.

Much of the UFO phenomenon could, quite possibly, be our own craft. There is additionally, no doubt much of the advanced technology utilized by the Global Elite have been given by a continued contact with these Reptoid Entities since the Dawn of Man. The evidence indicates a continuous control mechanism in place, steering the evolution of civilization since that same Dawn of Man. I've briefly documented one such advanced technology in the early parts of this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=755329&viewfull=1#post755329).

And, for instance, something hyperdimensional influenced the Nazis and led them to Antarctica (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxCMJLw-rGg). And what were Admiral Byrd's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNl_PHJLUj0) expeditions all about?

Finely, there is no doubt these Reptoid/Anunnaki Entities are somehow hyperdimensional beings. Ritualistic invocations has been the mechanism used to contact them since the Dawn of Man. This is how the Global Elite are able to stay in contact with them.

So, again I emphasize, all of the above.

[sunflower]

"David Icke is one of the most well versed researchers regarding hyperdimensional manipulation of our reality. He explains the processes, and documents the evidence leading to his conclusions.

For the members who are unfamiliar with the fundamentals of what David is speaking, here's a link to one of David's best books on the subject:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bi...gestsecret.htm"

Hi Observer, your link is for a Spanish version which is ok. Is there an English version? I have read David`s book but it`s good to have a source for reference.

[observer]

Try this one again, sunflower. It comes-up in English for me:

David Icke - The Biggest Secret -
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/bigsec/biggestsecret.htm

*Update*

For additional links to David Icke's books go to Comment #76 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=783055&viewfull=1#post783055).

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[observer]

Your observations are quite accurate addsub. The world is essentially run by psychopathic HUMANS.

Solving the problem, however, is not so simplistic as "stop voluntarily giving your power away".

First, a majority of the Mass of Humanity needs to understand the mechanism of what causes these psychopathic Global Elite to gain control, and then maintain that control.

Without a deep understanding of the mechanisms of control, there will never be any hope to put a stop to it. This phenomenon has been continuous since the Dawn of Man. No common man has figured-out the formula as yet.

In the history of the world, no dynasty has ever passed from grandfather, to father, to son, and maintained the same agenda through the generations. Something external is maintaining that agenda.

They Are Very Clever At What They Do....

This thread is about showing the evidence so we all can figure-out how the Global Elite maintain that control.

[observer]

"David Icke is one of the most well versed researchers regarding hyperdimensional manipulation of our reality. He explains the processes, and documents the evidence leading to his conclusions.

For the members who are unfamiliar with the fundamentals of what David is speaking, here's a link to one of David's best books on the subject:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bi...gestsecret.htm"

Hi Observer, your link is for a Spanish version which is ok. Is there an English version? I have read David`s book but it`s good to have a source for reference.


Try this one again, sunflower. It comes-up in English for me:

David Icke - The Biggest Secret -
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/bigsec/biggestsecret.htm

*Update*

For a list of some other David Icke Books you can find online, click on this link:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_icke.htm#Multimedia__

Scroll-down to: Books-Writings , and click-on any number of titles.

I emphasize, one should only use these free links for preview and reference purposes. Purchasing David's books directly from his website is the best way to support his work:

http://www.davidicke.com/shop/david-icke-books/david-icke-books

[WhiteFeather]

[A Reptoid Anunnaki Presence Hiding In The Shadows]

There have been other threads that mention Clark's research (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62568-The-Anunnaki-of-Nibiru-C2C-A-must-listen&highlight=gerald+clark), and there are other threads that link interviews with Gerald Clark. This thread is here to show the members a direct link between Clark's work, Zecharia Sitchin, and even Edgar Cayce's work. Most importantly, Clark's work gives a clear evidential trail of research to which an investigator can go to source the interpretations Gerald proposes. All of his interpretations are based on ancient records which can be reviewed by any interested investigator.

Research References:

"The Anunnaki on Earth Coast to Coast AM" -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFmQw1N_cgQ

"26 Oct 2013 - The Anunnaki's Legacy" -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHuOs69w6-c

"The Anunnaki of Nibiru: Mankind's Forgotten Creators, Enslavers, Saviors, and Hidden Architects of the New World Order" - Gerald Clark
http://www.amazon.com/Anunnaki-Nibiru-Forgotten-Enslavers-Architects/dp/1491211229/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383851300&sr=1-1&keywords=anunnaki+of+nibiru

*Update*

This is also an excellent video, thank you heyakoh

Here's the latest interview with Gerald Clark.

[....snip]





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFmQw1N_cgQ
Great Interview. "The Anunnaki on Earth Coast to Coast AM" -
5 Star Video IMO. Thanks For That.

[onawah]

The new Project Avalon interview with Simon Parkes was posted today on Simon's thread and on youtube at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6dxXAAAIp4w6dxXAAAIp4
He says the Annunaki are definitely Reptoids... and much more, of course...

[turiya]

The point of this thread is to show that these Reptoid Anunnaki are still among us, and that they control every aspect of our social structure. Without listening to the earlier evidence presented within this thread, it is useless to move-on to what will be presented next:

Statue of Inanna, the daughter of Enlil:

http://goddessinspired.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/inanna-descent.jpg

Take note to the reptilian toes and the wings depicted on Enlil's daughter, Inanna.
Note:

Sorry, observer, but Inanna is not depicted with reptilian toes, but owl's feet. The owl wings are also prevalent. Also Note the two birds to the left & right - that's right - owls. But nice try.

Another thing, Inanna also has breasts. Reptilians don't have breasts. On the contrary mammals have breasts to feed milk to their offspring.



"The Sumerian word for owl is ninna and the name Nin-ninna given to the goddess in her owl form meant 'Divine Lady Owl'. The ancient texts also give the Akkadian word kilili for Nin-ninna, and this name was one shared by Innana and Ishtar. (Perhaps kilili is the original derivation of Lilith, who, much later, in biblical times, is called 'night-owl or screech-owl'."

They also note a possible connection to very ancient paleolithic (approximately 20,000 B.C.) symbols of the bird goddess.

Rafael Patai (The Hebrew Goddess 3rd ed. 1990) relates that in the Sumerian poem Gilgamesh and the Huluppu Tree, a she-demon named Lilith built her house in the Huluppu tree on the banks of the Euphrates before being routed by Gilgamesh. Patai then describes the Burney plaque:


"A Babylonian terra-cotta relief, roughly contemporary with the above poem, shows in what form Lilith was believed to appear to human eyes. She is slender, well shaped, beautiful and nude, with wings and owl-feet. She stands erect on two reclining lions which are turned away from each other and are flanked by owls. On her head she wears a cap embellished by several pairs of horns. In her hands she holds a ring and rod combination. Evidently this is no longer a lowly she-demon, but a goddess who tames wild beasts and, as shown by the owls on the reliefs, rules by night."
Source (http://analogicalplanet.com/Pages/ContentPages/Sidebars/BurneyRelief.html)


turiya :cool:

[Robin]

In my opinion, Chris Thomas's claim that the Sumerian tablets were purposely hidden to test humanity is no different than devout Christians believing that God put dinosaur fossils in the ground to test humanity's faith in him. A bunch of rubbish if you ask me...

After hearing Simon's response in the latest video concerning Anunnaki, I will admit that Chris Thomas may be more credible than I have previously stated. My hesitation with Chris Thomas does not just have to do with the validity of reading the Akashic records, if they exist at all, but also due to the fact that most of what he says is not backed up by anybody else.

Given that Simon has also stated, through his sources, that Sitchin was a great academic who interpreted the Sumerian tablets correctly, though the tablets were placed there to fool people into believing a certain story, I think I will give this notion more consideration.

If Chris Thomas's information can be verified by other independent sources, then I will listen to what he has to say. There...I said it.

[onawah]

Simon said in the interview and on his thread that the Annunaki tablets were mostly true, but that the Annunaki only altered the DNA of the humans on the planet at the time, and were not responsible for fashioning the human template to the extent that the tablets claim.
I believe he has also corroborated that evidence can and has been altered via time travel.
(My words, but I'm pretty sure that is an accurate rendering.)
He calls the Velon a type of Djinn, who were present on Earth in 3D before the consciousness of humankind proliferated to such an extent that they were forced into a realm between 3D and 4D, and came to hate humanity intensely because of that.
If, as Simon claims, they are Reptoids, that doesn't mean that they can't also have mammalian characteristics.

[observer]

The point of this thread is to show that these Reptoid Anunnaki are still among us, and that they control every aspect of our social structure. Without listening to the earlier evidence presented within this thread, it is useless to move-on to what will be presented next:

Statue of Inanna, the daughter of Enlil:

http://goddessinspired.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/inanna-descent.jpg

Take note to the reptilian toes and the wings depicted on Enlil's daughter, Inanna.
Note:

Sorry, observer, but Inanna is not depicted with reptilian toes, but owl's feet. The owl wings are also prevalent. Also Note the two birds to the left & right - that's right - owls. But nice try.

Another thing, Inanna also has breasts. Reptilians don't have breasts. On the contrary mammals have breasts to feed milk to their offspring.



"The Sumerian word for owl is ninna and the name Nin-ninna given to the goddess in her owl form meant 'Divine Lady Owl'. The ancient texts also give the Akkadian word kilili for Nin-ninna, and this name was one shared by Innana and Ishtar. (Perhaps kilili is the original derivation of Lilith, who, much later, in biblical times, is called 'night-owl or screech-owl'."

They also note a possible connection to very ancient paleolithic (approximately 20,000 B.C.) symbols of the bird goddess.

Rafael Patai (The Hebrew Goddess 3rd ed. 1990) relates that in the Sumerian poem Gilgamesh and the Huluppu Tree, a she-demon named Lilith built her house in the Huluppu tree on the banks of the Euphrates before being routed by Gilgamesh. Patai then describes the Burney plaque:


"A Babylonian terra-cotta relief, roughly contemporary with the above poem, shows in what form Lilith was believed to appear to human eyes. She is slender, well shaped, beautiful and nude, with wings and owl-feet. She stands erect on two reclining lions which are turned away from each other and are flanked by owls. On her head she wears a cap embellished by several pairs of horns. In her hands she holds a ring and rod combination. Evidently this is no longer a lowly she-demon, but a goddess who tames wild beasts and, as shown by the owls on the reliefs, rules by night."
Source (http://analogicalplanet.com/Pages/ContentPages/Sidebars/BurneyRelief.html)


turiya :cool:

I would appreciate that you take note, turiya, in Comment #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=762151&viewfull=1#post762151) , the Inanna image was offered as a comparison to the Mothman image:



The Mothman legend is one of many contemporary legends that have a basis in eyewitness testimony:


http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b509/POV_At_Exit_0/Mothman_statue_2005_zps43b745c4.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/POV_At_Exit_0/media/Mothman_statue_2005_zps43b745c4.jpg.html)

Note the reptilian toes and the wings of this contemporary statue of Mothman - just like Enlil's daughter, Inanna.

I might also add, turiya, your comment is all interesting stuff, but totally irrelevant considering this:


Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur): "The fossil record indicates that birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs [see definition below] during the Jurassic Period and, consequently, they are considered a subgroup of dinosaurs by many paleontologists.[1] Some birds survived the extinction event that occurred 66 million years ago, and their descendants continue the dinosaur lineage to the present day."


Source (http://www.ehow.com/info_8467322_list-theropod-dinosaurs.html): "The theropod, or "beast-footed," dinosaurs range from small ferocious Velociraptors to the enormous Tyrannosaurus Rex. This group of dinosaurs is so diverse that many scientists believe that modern-day birds are descended from small nonflying theropods. Most theropods fall into one of two groups: Ceratosauria and Tetanurae. The Tetanurae group breaks into two classes: Carnosauria and Coelurosauria."

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/info_8467322_list-theropod-dinosaurs.html#ixzz2qVydV8xK

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b509/POV_At_Exit_0/Dinosauroid_Reptoid_02_zpscd2f445f.png (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/POV_At_Exit_0/media/Dinosauroid_Reptoid_02_zpscd2f445f.png.html)


You can't get any more reptilian than that....

[observer]

Simon said in the interview and on his thread that the Annunaki tablets were mostly true, but that the Annunaki only altered the DNA of the humans on the planet at the time, and were not responsible for fashioning the human template to the extent that the tablets claim.
I believe he has also corroborated that evidence can and has been altered via time travel.
(My words, but I'm pretty sure that is an accurate rendering.)
He calls the Velon a type of Djinn, who were present on Earth in 3D before the consciousness of humankind proliferated to such an extent that they were forced into a realm between 3D and 4D, and came to hate humanity intensely because of that.
If, as Simon claims, they are Reptoids, that doesn't mean that they can't also have mammalian characteristics.

I'm certain Simon and Chris Thomas, both are very sincere individuals, and I'm also certain they both completely believe the thoughts in their heads.

In a court of law, their testimonies would be considered hearsay evidence with no probative value. I had hoped this thread would follow more of a factual evidential trail, rather than the hearsay testimonies of individuals with no documentation to back-up their claims.

Perhaps all those members who insist on offering telepathically implanted messages as factual evidence should review the counter-argument offered in Comment #3 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=755329&viewfull=1#post755329), Comment #4 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=755465&viewfull=1#post755465), and Comment #5 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=756394&viewfull=1#post756394).

[onawah]

Simon Parkes never claimed his information comes from "telepathically implanted messages" to my knowledge, but says that his Contact experiences have been both in the flesh as well as other-dimensional--ie, astral or something of that order.
Your views about what can be considered factual evidence seem very pedantic to me, Observer.
How many published scholars of high standing have proven to be completely wrong?
A lot of current academia is in danger of being completely discredited because of that kind of scholarly tunnel vision.

[Robin]

In a court of law, their testimonies would be considered hearsay evidence with no probative value. I had hoped this thread would follow more of a factual evidential trail, rather than the hearsay testimonies of individuals with no documentation to back-up their claims.


Hmmm...although I am weary as anybody can be when it comes to certain forms of testimonial, Judicial systems largely gauge the validity of a story through witness testimonial. People all the time are sent to jail with allegations of murder predominently based off of witness testimonial. If witness testimonial plays a large role in jurisdiction, then I think it would be wise to at least consider individual testimonial. How much attention we give them is up to us, and I for one prefer to give them attention when their is evidence to support their claims or their testimonial is confirmed by many independent sources.

[observer]

Simon said in the interview and on his thread that the Annunaki tablets were mostly true, but that the Annunaki only altered the DNA of the humans on the planet at the time, and were not responsible for fashioning the human template to the extent that the tablets claim.
I believe he has also corroborated that evidence can and has been altered via time travel.
(My words, but I'm pretty sure that is an accurate rendering.)
He calls the Velon a type of Djinn, who were present on Earth in 3D before the consciousness of humankind proliferated to such an extent that they were forced into a realm between 3D and 4D, and came to hate humanity intensely because of that.
If, as Simon claims, they are Reptoids, that doesn't mean that they can't also have mammalian characteristics.

I'm certain Simon and Chris Thomas, both are very sincere individuals, and I'm also certain they both completely believe the thoughts in their heads.

In a court of law, their testimonies would be considered hearsay evidence with no probative value. I had hoped this thread would follow more of a factual evidential trail, rather than the hearsay testimonies of individuals with no documentation to back-up their claims.

Perhaps all those members who insist on offering telepathically implanted messages as factual evidence should review the counter-argument offered in Comment #3 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=755329&viewfull=1#post755329), Comment #4 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=755465&viewfull=1#post755465), and Comment #5 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=756394&viewfull=1#post756394).


Simon Parkes never claimed his information comes from "telepathically implanted messages" to my knowledge, but says that his Contact experiences have been both in the flesh as well as other-dimensional--ie, astral or something of that order.
Your views about what can be considered factual evidence seem very pedantic to me, Observer.
How many published scholars of high standing have proven to be completely wrong?
A lot of current academia is in danger of being completely discredited because of that kind of scholarly tunnel vision.

Thank you onawah, and also in response to Samwise (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=785422&viewfull=1#post785422),

Allow me to suggest, there is no need to complicate the issue. In determining the guilty party, one must keep a clear focus on the target.

Had you been following my exposé back to my earliest participation, here on the Avalon Forums, you would know by now, I consider all forms of psychic phenomenon as "telepathically implanted messages". This would include any traveling into the Astral Plane, or the Akashic Records, or any other nomenclature you choose to place on the phenomenon. The evidence indicates these are all the same phenomenon occurring within the brain of specific individuals.

The evidence - a very brief description of which - that was addressed in Comments Comment #3 ([URL="http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=755329&viewfull=1#post755329), Comment #4 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=755465&viewfull=1#post755465), and Comment #5 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=756394&viewfull=1#post756394)." leads one to these conclusions. I could link you to hours, if not weeks, worth of research that would lead one to these conclusions, but for the most part, I find the members unwilling to follow the research. Looking-up all the links and posting them would only lead to a waste of my precious time.

The only apparent reason to confuse the Masses with alternate interpretations is to continue the smoke-and-mirrors of illusion (delusion).

They Are Very Clever At What They Do....

As far as what may appear to some members as a "pedantic" attitude, please allow me to address this issue:


This thread was created to assemble real evidence. Now, let's not digress into a debate regarding what is and isn't real.
I created this thread because an overwhelming majority - possibly into the 99 percentile range - of Humanity follow the information given to them by the Controlled Institutional Media.
Few - if any - individuals would even consider a reptoid presence controlling the social structure.
This thread is intended as a collection of hard physical evidence, showing this possibility - that of a reptoid presence in the hyperdimensional shadows of society.
Little consideration, by the Mass of Humanity, would occur if this thread were loaded with fringe belief systems. In most cases, these extraordinary testimonies are viewed as delusional.
In the words of Carl Sagan
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." ....This is not my rule, it is the way it works in the world of academia. Only through presenting real evidence will we ever be able to extract a change to the way things work in academia.
There are plenty of other threads on this website to post the messages from those who's impressions may have been polluted with implanted telepathic thoughts. Let's at least attempt to keep this thread reserved for actual physical evidence.


If any member has, what would be considered by the established academia as, "hard physical evidence", please step forward and add this to the thread.

[heyokah]

I think this Kerry Cassidy interview with Captain Mark Richards will fit in here as well.


Published on Nov 8, 2013

This is an interview with Captain Mark Richards conducted at Vacaville Prison on November 2, 2013.
This is the first time in the over 30 years of his incarceration, that any journalist has interviewed him.
Kerry Cassidy was not allowed to document this face-to-face interview with camera or any recording devices or to take notes during the interview. Everything you are about to see has been recalled from memory immediately after her meeting with him.
Just prior to the interview She spoke briefly with his wife Jo Ann who also was present during the interview. 

Navy Captain Mark Richards was an officer involved in the Dulce Battle as well as very active in the Secret Space Program and U.S. Space Command for many years prior to his being arrested and convicted of a murder he did not commit.
This is a classic case of the government framing someone who they feel may be turning against them from within the military.

"...When the truth was evident that sub-humans and other creatures were being produced from abducted human females, impregnated against their will, a secret resistance group formed within the military and intelligence agencies of the U.S. Government that did not approve of the deals that had been made with the 'Off-worlders'.
Many of these brave humans would be assassinated, or "died under mysterious circumstance," or would be silenced in other ways.

The Air Force Intelligence Officer that reportedly was the man who met with the Aliens at Holloman (Air Force Base) in 1964, was the legendary 'Dutchman,' Ellis Loyd Richards, Jr. - the same man who would reportedly order the attack on Dulce in 1979, and whose son, Captain Mark Richards, would lead the human attack on the facility."---E.D.H. Earth Defense Headquarter's




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bPhG3WP2xM

[observer]

Thank you heyokah for offering the Mark Richards story as recounted by Kerry.

In support of what Kerry says Mark Richards reported, I offer the Phil Schneider testimony of the Dulce affair.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf7vLXf5bNo
To validate Phil's testimony, there is the presentation of artifacts and materials Phil had collected prior to his untimely demise.

If one researches the Phil Schneider story far enough, one will discover the documentation that Phil's father was one of those Nazi Paperclip individuals. His father was a Nazi Submarine Officer, and a master machinist who's services were applied to the secret operations of the other government operating here in the US. Phil's work was a result of his father's connections.

[heyokah]

[A Reptoid Anunnaki Presence Hiding In The Shadows]

There have been other threads that mention Clark's research (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62568-The-Anunnaki-of-Nibiru-C2C-A-must-listen&highlight=gerald+clark), and there are other threads that link interviews with Gerald Clark. This thread is here to show the members a direct link between Clark's work, Zecharia Sitchin, and even Edgar Cayce's work. Most importantly, Clark's work gives a clear evidential trail of research to which an investigator can go to source the interpretations Gerald proposes. All of his interpretations are based on ancient records which can be reviewed by any interested investigator.

Research References:

"The Anunnaki on Earth Coast to Coast AM" -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFmQw1N_cgQ

"26 Oct 2013 - The Anunnaki's Legacy" -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHuOs69w6-c

"The Anunnaki of Nibiru: Mankind's Forgotten Creators, Enslavers, Saviors, and Hidden Architects of the New World Order" - Gerald Clark
http://www.amazon.com/Anunnaki-Nibiru-Forgotten-Enslavers-Architects/dp/1491211229/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383851300&sr=1-1&keywords=anunnaki+of+nibiru

*Update*

This is also an excellent video, thank you heyakoh

Here's the latest interview with Gerald Clark.

[....snip]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8tYYkhU8gU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I noticed that the link to the interview, "26 Oct 2013 - The Anunnaki's Legacy" - says "unavailable".

I think I found another copy. Now it's called "Humanity's Anunnaki Legacy "



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mvltfvjWH8&feature=share&list=PLnj_cm2kvBdHx9rXvZ7DLyyMYWuA8zBZR

[heyokah]

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How...../ Why they prevent disclosure


RT, previously known as Russia Today, came with an interview with Dr. Steven Greer on Januari 10, 2014.

Abby Martin of Breaking The Set and RT talked with UFOologist Dr. Steven Greer about his work with the Disclosure Project, an organization that has collected testimonies from over one hundred US government officials concerning the existence of extra-terrestrial life.
Also about ‘alien technology’ and whether or not it is already here upon the planet Earth.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwwtxHEI0Wc


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Here's a "a wiki leaks" (?) video of the greys meeting with the military back in the fifties when video cameras were in their infancy.
http://revelation12.ca/?p=1078 .... Strange website though :confused:

[*No idea if it's a hoax or real.
I found this link in the first and only comment on this article: http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/01/is-alien-technology-here-dr-steven-greer-of-the-disclosure-project-with-abby-martin-2871154.html ]

[observer]

I'm bumping this comment because it apparently received little play time by the members monitoring this thread.

The information contained within this video is critical to understanding how the global elite operate behind the smoke-and-mirrors of black ops. It documents how a secret space program has been operating right under the noses of the public.

It is foundational to first understand how these same global elite have always received their inspiration from rituals designed to invoke hyperdimensional entities - the Reptoid Anunnaki. These are the same rituals practiced by the Nazis.... the same rituals practiced by the global elite of today.... the same rituals that have fueled every empire in the history of Humanity.


More dot connecting.

This is what is meant by "objective evidence". There is no need to trust some fantastic story concocted by a possibly delusional individual. All any one need do is look at the evidential trail and discern for themselves an interpretation of what is occurring.

In this following video, Peter Levenda gives a detailed connection of dots that supports the conclusion, "The Anunnaki are preventing disclosure".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj2qrl6Q2rk

Mysterious bishops; Telepathically implanted thoughts; The Nine; Nazi New World Order Agenda; Secret Cabalistic Societies; The Kennedy Assassination; The Secret Space Program.... all relating back to Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities manipulating this particular reality (Anunnaki).

For further evidence supporting what Peter Levenda is exposing, here is yet another brilliant researcher giving more exposure to the secret space program:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN7BdNKIVI

Once one accepts the evidence concerning a secret space program, the only logical explanation of where this technology has come from points to a Reptoid/Anunnaki connection. One must also consider all the evidence that these hyperdimensional manipulators have been here since the Dawn of Man maintaining an element of control.

[observer]

For any member having difficulty connecting the dots presented within this thread - dots that may not seem at all connected - here's an excellent David Icke interview that explains how the universe we live within is manipulated through an hyperdimensional ritualistic process. It is important to note, documentation of these rituals go back into the earliest records of Humanity.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RSJgdEP90g

David Icke is a premier researcher. He deals with physical evidence, and eyewitness accounts. His interpretations of the evidence represent the only possible conclusions.

One must always keep in mind, throughout history, all perceptions are constantly misrepresented to maintain a state of confusion. There is no need to confuse the focus of what energies we are looking at here. This control mechanism has been continuous throughout the History of Humanity. The concepts of who the controllers are have been consistently changed to protect the guilty party.

[heyokah]

I'm bumping this comment because it apparently received little play time by the members monitoring this thread.

The information contained within this video is critical to understanding how the global elite operate behind the smoke-and-mirrors of black ops. It documents how a secret space program has been operating right under the noses of the public.

It is foundational to first understand how these same global elite have always received their inspiration from rituals designed to invoke hyperdimensional entities - the Reptoid Anunnaki. These are the same rituals practiced by the Nazis.... the same rituals practiced by the global elite of today.... the same rituals that have fueled every empire in the history of Humanity.


More dot connecting.

This is what is meant by "objective evidence". There is no need to trust some fantastic story concocted by a possibly delusional individual. All any one need do is look at the evidential trail and discern for themselves an interpretation of what is occurring.

In this following video, Peter Levenda gives a detailed connection of dots that supports the conclusion, "The Anunnaki are preventing disclosure".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj2qrl6Q2rk

Mysterious bishops; Telepathically implanted thoughts; The Nine; Nazi New World Order Agenda; Secret Cabalistic Societies; The Kennedy Assassination; The Secret Space Program.... all relating back to Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities manipulating this particular reality (Anunnaki).

For further evidence supporting what Peter Levenda is exposing, here is yet another brilliant researcher giving more exposure to the secret space program:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN7BdNKIVI

Once one accepts the evidence concerning a secret space program, the only logical explanation of where this technology has come from points to a Reptoid/Anunnaki connection. One must also consider all the evidence that these hyperdimensional manipulators have been here since the Dawn of Man maintaining an element of control.


Thank you observer for once more drawing our attention to this Peter Levenda video in which he's focusing on the Secret Space Program from the Nazi Occult angle.

He also mentions the existence of mysterious bishops and some priests of the American Orthodox Catholic Church and many phony churches which were all linked to each other, with no congregations, barely having a building.....
This was something I haven't been aware of.

Next to the excellent Richard C. Hoagland interview I'd like to post the presentation that Richard Dolan made on the Secret Space Program Conference Amsterdam 2011.


- One thing that a study of the UFO makes abundantly clear: someone is operating technology that is not supposed to exist, and yet it does.

Silent craft, for example, that can instantly accelerate, many of which are said to be of non-human origin, but others which are argued to be of classified manufacture. Is there a clandestine infrastructure that has made significant breakthroughs, but which has kept them secret from the rest of us?

Richard Dolan answers in the affirmative.
He argues that the UFO phenomenon is infinitely more complex than many have previously suggested, and that human and non-human groups are behind what we call UFOs.
Within the human, classified part, breakthroughs have leap-frogged over each other to produce a society with substantially more advanced scientific, technological, and cosmological ideas - a society that can accurately be called a "breakaway civilization."

This covert civilization has continued to interact with our own "official" society, but at the same time appears to have interactions or encounters with one or more of the non-human groups that are here on Planet Earth.

The result is a clandestine cold war, very possibly with multiple human and non-human factions.

-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsJDsxmzMDw

* it's getting interesting after about 50 minutes.

-

More info about the Secret Space Program Conference Amsterdam 2011

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_flyingobjects130.htm

[observer]

I'm bumping this comment because it apparently received little play time by the members monitoring this thread.

The information contained within this video is critical to understanding how the global elite operate behind the smoke-and-mirrors of black ops. It documents how a secret space program has been operating right under the noses of the public.

It is foundational to first understand how these same global elite have always received their inspiration from rituals designed to invoke hyperdimensional entities - the Reptoid Anunnaki. These are the same rituals practiced by the Nazis.... the same rituals practiced by the global elite of today.... the same rituals that have fueled every empire in the history of Humanity.


More dot connecting.

This is what is meant by "objective evidence". There is no need to trust some fantastic story concocted by a possibly delusional individual. All any one need do is look at the evidential trail and discern for themselves an interpretation of what is occurring.

In this following video, Peter Levenda gives a detailed connection of dots that supports the conclusion, "The Anunnaki are preventing disclosure".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj2qrl6Q2rk

Mysterious bishops; Telepathically implanted thoughts; The Nine; Nazi New World Order Agenda; Secret Cabalistic Societies; The Kennedy Assassination; The Secret Space Program.... all relating back to Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities manipulating this particular reality (Anunnaki).

For further evidence supporting what Peter Levenda is exposing, here is yet another brilliant researcher giving more exposure to the secret space program:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN7BdNKIVI

Once one accepts the evidence concerning a secret space program, the only logical explanation of where this technology has come from points to a Reptoid/Anunnaki connection. One must also consider all the evidence that these hyperdimensional manipulators have been here since the Dawn of Man maintaining an element of control.


Thank you observer for once more drawing our attention to this Peter Levenda video in which he's focusing on the Secret Space Program from the Nazi Occult angle.

He also mentions the existence of mysterious bishops and some priests of the American Orthodox Catholic Church and many phony churches which were all linked to each other, with no congregations, barely having a building.....
This was something I haven't been aware of.

Next to the excellent Richard C. Hoagland interview I'd like to post the presentation that Richard Dolan made on the Secret Space Program Conference Amsterdam 2011.


- One thing that a study of the UFO makes abundantly clear: someone is operating technology that is not supposed to exist, and yet it does.

Silent craft, for example, that can instantly accelerate, many of which are said to be of non-human origin, but others which are argued to be of classified manufacture. Is there a clandestine infrastructure that has made significant breakthroughs, but which has kept them secret from the rest of us?

Richard Dolan answers in the affirmative.
He argues that the UFO phenomenon is infinitely more complex than many have previously suggested, and that human and non-human groups are behind what we call UFOs.
Within the human, classified part, breakthroughs have leap-frogged over each other to produce a society with substantially more advanced scientific, technological, and cosmological ideas - a society that can accurately be called a "breakaway civilization."

This covert civilization has continued to interact with our own "official" society, but at the same time appears to have interactions or encounters with one or more of the non-human groups that are here on Planet Earth.

The result is a clandestine cold war, very possibly with multiple human and non-human factions.

-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsJDsxmzMDw

* it's getting interesting after about 50 minutes.

-

More info about the Secret Space Program Conference Amsterdam 2011

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_flyingobjects130.htm

Thank you heyokah for the Richard Dolan and the Amsterdam material.

Dolan, Hoagland, Levenda, Marrs, Dr. Joseph Farrell and others all offer excellent evidence of a secret space program. They all point to this program beginning with the Nazis. It cannot be overlooked, the program began in the very early days of the Nazi Party with the involvement of the Thule Gesellschaft and the Vril Society (http://black.greyfalcon.us/).

Again, I point at how telepathic manipulation has created a totally separate paradigm. These channelings were the foundation of how the Nazis rose to power, created technological advancements that they applied to their war machine, and ultimately won the Second World War by proxy - all the result of telepathic inspiration from.... WHOM?

I submit, as always, the evidence leads to hyperdimensional Anunnaki/Reptoid Overloards....

[observer]

As long as we're discussing the possibility of a secret space program, I might as well include the following video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=026Tg1AygU0

I suppose one could fake this sort of 'home video style' footage, but then who would have the funds for this sort of thing?

A video such as this serves the global elite no purpose. I'll be surprised if it hangs-around for long.

As always, keep in mind, no secret space program would be possible if it wasn't being orchestrated by hyperdimensional entities - hyperdimensional Reptoid entities.

[observer]

As long as we're discussing the possibility of a secret space program, I might as well include the following video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=026Tg1AygU0

I suppose one could fake this sort of 'home video style' footage, but then who would have the funds for this sort of thing?

A video such as this serves the global elite no purpose. I'll be surprised if it hangs-around for long.

As always, keep in mind, no secret space program would be possible if it wasn't being orchestrated by hyperdimensional entities - hyperdimensional Reptoid entities.

Wow !!!

Just two days and the video is gone - puff. Just as I predicted.

For those members who didn't see it, it looked much like a home video with an obviously hand-held camera.


It began with a hand written placard stating the mission name: (I don't recall).
It then went to shots out of a port hole window of the earth and the moon fading into the distance - sever different sequences of views.
There was then a handheld placard stating: "day 158".
The next shot was out the same port hole with the planet Mars in the field of view. An extended arm of the craft was also visible in this scene.
After what appeared to be a full rotation of the planet, the video ended.

A home made video such as this one appeared, i.e. a spontaneous filming by one of the crew members, shows there was some sort of human presence, at least in orbit around Mars.

I don't recall any NASA manned mission to Mars. This had to be from the secret space program.

[observer]

Update to comment #96:

I found the video at another YouTube Site. The project name was "Redsun". Here it is before it disappears again:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tSYrJ3cXqE

[MariaDine]

I find this fascinating...JUST look at the lenght of time the so -called descendents of Heaven- ANNUNAKI - ruled on Earth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List

After the deluge the lenght of thekings is very close to the span of life years of the Biblical patriarchs mencioned in the Genesis, like Noa grandson of Mathusalen (lived 969 years) - DNA manipulation ??????????????????????????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah
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Antediluvian rulers

None of the following predynastic "antediluvian" rulers has been verified as historical via archaeological excavations, epigraphical inscriptions, or otherwise.

It is possible that they correspond to the Early Bronze Age Jemdet Nasr period culture which ended approximately 2900 BC, immediately preceding the dynasts, if they were not purely mythological inventions.
The following reigns were measured in Sumerian numerical units known as sars (units of 3600), ners (units of 600), and sosses (units of 60).



Ruler Epithet Length of reign Approx. dates

"After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridug.
In Eridug, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years."

Alulim 8 sars (28,800 years) Between 35th and 30th century BC

Alalngar 10 sars (36,000 years)

----------"Then Eridug fell and the kingship was taken to Bad-tibira."

En-men-lu-ana 12 sars (43,200 years)
En-men-gal-ana 8 sars (28,800 years)
Dumuzid, the Shepherd "the shepherd" 10 sars (36,000 years)
"Then Bad-tibira fell and the kingship was taken to Larag."
En-sipad-zid-ana 8 sars (28,800 years)
"Then Larag fell and the kingship was taken to Zimbir."
En-men-dur-ana 5 sars and 5 ners (21,000 years)
"Then Zimbir fell and the kingship was taken to Shuruppag."
Ubara-Tutu 5 sars and 1 ner (18,600 years)

---------------------"Then the flood swept over.";);)

Excavations in Iraq have revealed evidence of localized flooding at Shuruppak (modern Tell Fara, Iraq) and various other Sumerian cities. A layer of riverine sediments, radiocarbon dated to ca. 2900 BC, interrupts the continuity of settlement, extending as far north as the city of Kish. Polychrome pottery from the Jemdet Nasr period (3000-2900 BC) was discovered immediately below the Shuruppak flood stratum.[19]
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First Dynasty of Kish

Ruler Epithet Length of reign Approx. dates

"After the flood had swept over, and the kingship had descended from heaven, the kingship was in Kish."

Jushur 1200 years historicity uncertain names before Etana do not appear in any other known source, and their existence is archaeologically unverified
Kullassina-bel 960 years
Nangishlishma 670 years
En-tarah-ana 420 years
Babum 300 years
Puannum 840 years
Kalibum 960 years
Kalumum 840 years
Zuqaqip 900 years
Atab (or A-ba) 600 years
Mashda "the son of Atab" 840 years
Arwium "the son of Mashda" 720 years

------------------Etana "the shepherd, who ascended to heaven and consolidated all the foreign countries" 1500 years :cool:;):rolleyes:

Balih "the son of Etana" 400 years
En-me-nuna 660 years
Melem-Kish "the son of En-me-nuna" 900 years
Barsal-nuna ("the son of En-me-nuna")* 1200 years
Zamug "the son of Barsal-nuna" 140 years
Tizqar "the son of Zamug" 305 years
Ilku 900 years
Iltasadum 1200 years
En-me-barage-si "who made the land of Elam submit" 900 years ca. 2600 BC the earliest ruler on the List confirmed independently from epigraphical evidence
Aga of Kish "the son of En-me-barage-si" 625 years ca. 2600 BC contemporary with Gilgamesh of Uruk, according to the Epic of Gilgamesh[6] Gilgameš and Aga Translation at ETCSL

------------------------"Then Kish was defeated and the kingship was taken to E-ana."

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First Dynasty of Uruk

Ruler Epithet Length of reign Approx. dates

Mesh-ki-ang-gasher of E-ana "the son of Utu" 324 years ca. 27th
"Mesh-ki-ang-gasher entered the sea and disappeared."
Enmerkar "the son of Mesh-ki-ang-gasher, the king of Unug, who built Unug (Uruk)" 420 years
Lugalbanda "the shepherd" 1200 years
Dumuzid (Dumuzi) "the fisherman whose city was Kuara."
("He captured En-me-barage-si single-handed.")* 100 years ca. 2600 BC
Gilgamesh "whose father was a phantom (?), the lord of Kulaba" 126 years ca. 2600 BC contemporary with Aga of Kish, according to the Epic of Gilgamesh
Ur-Nungal "the son of Gilgamesh" 30 years
Udul-kalama "the son of Ur-Nungal" 15 years
La-ba'shum 9 years
En-nun-tarah-ana 8 years
Mesh-he "the smith" 36 years
Melem-ana 6 years
Lugal-kitun 36 years

-------------------"Then Unug was defeated and the kingship was taken to Urim (Ur)."

[Elainie]

Has anyone else here read Wes Penre's papers? He's really gone way down the rabbit hole.

[MariaDine]

SUMERIAN TEXTS

http://www.sacred-texts.com/cat/srchsubj.htm?search_str=sumeria

[observer]

I find this fascinating...JUST look at the lenght of time the so -called descendents of Heaven- ANNUNAKI - ruled on Earth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List

For the remainder of Maria's text see comment #98.

What I find "fascinating" Maria, is the length of time back into what is traditionally accepted as "recorded history" these Sumerian King's Charts take us. These dates correspond to what Michael Cremo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJbEVHlIrHo) has been writing about. And, they bring validity to speculation of the true age of some structures on the Giza Plaza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrSJGxTZ2QQ).

This is all valid objective evidence proving that we are not getting the whole story from our 'alleged' experts.

Thank you for your contribution.

[observer]

Has anyone else here read Wes Penre's papers? He's really gone way down the rabbit hole.

Thank you ERK for bringing-up Wes Penre.

If you go to comment #94 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=789879&viewfull=1#post789879), scroll-down to the bottom of that comment and click-on the highlighted words: "Thule Gesellschaft and the Vril Society (http://black.greyfalcon.us/)", it will take you to one of the pages on Wes Penre's website. You can peruse all of Wes' work by following the links posted on that page.

Here's a direct link to his website, for those members interested:

http://wespenre.com/index.htm

[MariaDine]

I remembered Immanuel Velikovsky ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky ) connecting his theories with the history of our solar sistem and the story of the deluge...


He arrived at a body of radical inter-disciplinary ideas, which might be summarised as:

Planet Earth has suffered natural catastrophes on a global scale, both before and during humankind's recorded history.

There is evidence for these catastrophes in the geological record (here Velikovsky was advocating Catastrophist ideas as opposed to the prevailing Uniformitarian notions) and archeological record. The extinction of many species had occurred catastrophically, not by gradual Darwinian means.

The catastrophes that occurred within the memory of humankind are recorded in the myths, legends and written history of all ancient cultures and civilisations. Velikovsky pointed to alleged concordances in the accounts of many cultures, and proposed that they referred to the same real events. For instance, the memory of a flood is recorded in the Hebrew Bible, in the Greek legend of Deucalion, and in the Manu legend of India. Velikovsky put forward the psychoanalytic idea of "Cultural Amnesia" as a mechanism whereby these literal records came to be regarded as mere myths and legends.

The causes of these natural catastrophes were close encounters between the Earth and other bodies within the solar system — not least what are now the planets Saturn, Jupiter, Venus, and Mars, these bodies having moved upon different orbits within human memory.

To explain away the fact that these changes to the configuration of the solar system violate several well-understood laws of physics, Velikovsky invented a role for electromagnetic forces in counteracting gravity and orbital mechanics.

Some of Velikovsky's specific postulated catastrophes included:

A tentative suggestion that Earth had once been a satellite of a "proto-Saturn" body, before its current solar orbit.
That the Deluge (Noah's Flood) had been caused by proto-Saturn's entering a nova state, and ejecting much of its mass into space.
A suggestion that the planet Mercury was involved in the Tower of Babel catastrophe.

Jupiter had been the culprit for the catastrophe that saw the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Periodic close contacts with a "cometary Venus" (which had been ejected from Jupiter) had caused the Exodus events (c. 1500 BCE) and Joshua's subsequent "sun standing still" (Joshua 10:12 and 13) incident.
Periodic close contacts with Mars had caused havoc in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE.
As noted above, Velikovsky had conceived the broad sweep of this material by the early 1940s. However, within his lifetime, whilst he continued to research, expand and lecture upon the details of his ideas, he released only selected portions of his work to the public in book form:

Worlds in Collision (1950) discussed the literary and mythical records of the "Venus" and "Mars" catastrophes

Portions of his Revised Chronology were published as Ages in Chaos (1952), Peoples of the Sea (1977) and Rameses II and His Time (1978) (The related monograph Oedipus and Akhenaten, 1960, posited the thesis that pharaoh Akhenaten was the prototype for the Greek mythic figure Oedipus.)
Earth in Upheaval (1955) dealt with geological evidence for global natural catastrophes.

Velikovsky's ideas on his earlier Saturn/Mercury/Jupiter events were never published, and the available archived manuscripts are much less developed.[

Of all the strands of his work, Velikovsky published least on his belief that electromagnetism plays a role in orbital mechanics.

Although he appears to have retreated from the propositions in his 1946 monograph Cosmos without Gravitation, no such retreat is apparent in Stargazers and Gravediggers.

Cosmos without Gravitation, which Velikovsky placed in university libraries and sent to scientists, is a probable catalyst for the hostile response of astronomers and physicists to his later claims about astronomy.

However, other Velikovskian enthusiasts such as Ralph Juergens (dec.), Earl Milton (dec.), Wal Thornhill, and Donald E. Scott have claimed that stars are powered not by internal nuclear fusion, but by galactic-scale electrical discharge currents.
Such ideas do not find support in the conventional literature and are rejected as pseudoscience by the scientific community


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ONE OF THE BOOKS

http://books.google.pt/books?id=FJst27kSVBgC&pg=PA269&dq=Berosus&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ei=7szrUqLwEciY0QWjmIHYCA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Berosus&f=false

[Elainie]

Observer- I have read most (now reading his level 4 series of papers) of Wes's papers and I think it's highly interesting information.

[MariaDine]

I think in Eusebius -The Chaldean Chronicle, one finds reference to what happen in the time of the DNA experiments. Regarded as pure fantasy , these very sucint memory acounts are a misunderstood ancient information !

SOURCE - http://rbedrosian.com/euseb2.htm

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«There was a time, he says, when all was dark and water.

And there were other sorts of creatures [on the earth]. Half of them could reproduce themselves [asexually], while there were others which procreated and bore humans with two wings, others with four wings and two faces, with one body and two heads, male and female, and [others] having both male and female natures [combined].

Other humans had the legs of goats, horns on their heads, others had horses' hooves. Others had the rear half of a horse and the front half of a human. Some had the hybrid [Arm. yushkaparik] appearance of a horse and a bull. Also born [g22] were bulls with human heads, dogs with quadripartite bodies having the flippers of a fish and a fish's tail sprouting from the hindquarters.

[There were] horses with dogs' heads as well as humans and other creatures with horses' heads and/or human forms and the extremities of fish. In addition there were diverse sorts of dragon-shaped creatures, hybrid fish, reptiles, snakes, and many types of astonishing creatures of differing appearance

. The pictures of each of them are preserved at the temple of Belus. All of them were ruled over by a woman named Markaye' who was called T'aghatt'ay in Chaldean.

The Greek translation of T'aladday is "sea" . Now while all of these mixed [creatures] were arising, Belus attacked. He cut the woman [i.e. the sea] in two, making half the sky and the other half the earth, and he killed the creatures in it.

Thus [information] about the natural world is expressed in the form of an allegorical fable which means that initially there existed only water and moisture and the creatures in it. Then that deity cut off its head and another deity took the blood which dripped from it, mixed it with soil, and created humankind.

Thus they became wise and partook of the thoughts of the gods .»

[observer]

Thanks again Maria. I read "Worlds in Collision" many years ago, along with several other of Velikovsky's works.

Wal Thornhill has teamed-up with David Talbott and have produced an outstanding series of videos based on Velikovski's, "The Electric Universe (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvHqXK_Hz79tjqRosK4tWYA)."

This hour-long (+) video gives an excellent foundational understanding of the Velikovskian Theories regarding mythologies and historic records that you referenced in the above comment #103 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=791520&viewfull=1#post791520):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLwOAYhBuU3UfvhvcT1lZA6KbSdh0K2EpH

It also adds a whole lot of sound reasoning regarding the electrical nature of the universe. It's well worth investing the time.

[MariaDine]

MORE EXPERIEMeNTING HERE (http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/blc/blc06.htm )

[BELUS CREATES THE UNIVERSE.]

"This Belus, by whom they signify Jupiter, divided the darkness, and separated the Heavens from the Earth, and reduced the universe to order.

But the animals not being able to bear the prevalence of light, died.

Belus upon this, seeing a vast space unoccupied, though by nature fruitful, commanded one 7 of the gods to take off his head, and to mix the blood with the earth; and from thence to form other men and animals, which should be capable of bearing the air.

Belus formed also the stars, and the sun, and the moon, and the five planets. »

Such, according to Polyhistor Alexander, is the account which Berosus gives in his first book." (See Cory, Ancient Fragments, London, 1832, pp. 24-26.)

[observer]

Observer- I have read most (now reading his level 4 series of papers) of Wes's papers and I think it's highly interesting information.

Thanks again, ERK.

I've not had the time to go quite so far into the Wes Penre material.

I'm still not certain that some of his information may not be 'channeled', although I haven't yet read anything to make me suspect that.

His work on the Thule/Vril is right in line with the objective researchers to which I subscribe, i.e. Lavenda, Ferrell, Marrs, Hoagland, Dolan, etc.

If, by chance, Wes' work should possibly venture into the world of the mystical, it would become inadmissible in the trail of evidence I'm attempting to collect within this thread.

Possibly you could inform the members more on this aspect of Penre's work, since you have spent much more time on his website than I.

Thanks again for commenting.

[TargeT]

Hmm, so this could explain the fear of radiation (which is actually good for native humans, and apparently bad for Anunnaki due to their deeper space origins), and why it's been regulated to almost non-existence, I wonder if any of the nuclear "accidents" should be viewed in a different light based on this (if the anunnaki have a weakness to radiation as supposed in the OP's radio interview).

[observer]

Hmm, so this could explain the fear of radiation (which is actually good for native humans, and apparently bad for Anunnaki due to their deeper space origins), and why it's been regulated to almost non-existence, I wonder if any of the nuclear "accidents" should be viewed in a different light based on this (if the anunnaki have a weakness to radiation as supposed in the OP's radio interview).

You may very well have hit on something here, TargeT, in your reasoning.

The evidence is clear that a Reptoid Species (otherwise known as the Anunnaki) have influenced the evolution of social structure throughout the historic record.

If, perhaps as you point-out, those Reptoids have an intolerance to excessive radiation, than it only follows - through their hyperdimensional/ritualistic influence - they have caused a persuasion on the programing of Humanity to make radioactivity something to be regulated.

I, however, would be more inclined to believe the increase in nuclear activity on the planet is more the result of the Reptoid Agenda to depopulate Earth - a well established Global Elite Agenda. And, of course, we all are aware the Global Elite get their 'marching orders' through hyperdimensional contact during ritualistic practices.

I don't want this thread to digress into a debate regarding the positive v. negative aspects of radioactivity.

I'm still not buying your thesis on that one.

If it is your desire to continue-on with those points, I would suggest you make a comment that links the members to another thread to that regard, and be my guest; debate-on in that thread.

[TargeT]

If, perhaps as you point-out, those Reptoids have an intolerance to excessive radiation, than it only follows - through their hyperdimensional/ritualistic influence - they have caused a persuasion on the programing of Humanity to make radioactivity something to be regulated.

I, however, would be more inclined to believe the increase in nuclear activity on the planet is more the result of the Reptoid Agenda to depopulate Earth - a well established Global Elite Agenda.

Actually I was more commenting on the "disasters" that don't seem to be "disasters" after all (at least not at the scale we are told and not for us earth native types) 3mile island, Chernobyl, Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombings (which seemed almost senseless in historical 20/20) modernly Fukushima; I guess this does boarder on a debate of radiation and it's actual cause, but based on my research all of these were low impact events (as far as radiation is concerned, of course the bombs did a devastating amount of damage to the two Japanese cities and same with the Tsunami, but even the origins of that (Tsunami) are questioned & perhaps the outcome was exactly what happened, though not aimed at humans specifically).

Basically I was pondering the possibility that the in-fighting between factions in the Anunnaki caused "Anunnaki-specific" attacks (such as the use of intolerable radiation which disrupts their longevity work with gold Ormus's, or is just incompatible with their genetic make up) could be factors in these mostly senseless and some times suspicious incidents.

If nothing else it's clear that there are differing factions, and they are not afraid to be aggressive toward each-other; presumably using their favorite tool: humans, as the pawn in these disputes/schemes.


Anyway, just a flash of correlative corroboration thought that came to me while listening to the interview.

[observer]

Unlike yourself, TargeT, I lump all things nuclear into one single basket. Therefore all those incidents you cited would be of a nuclear nature in the Big Picture as I perceive it.

This also includes all the evidence from antiquity relating to nuclear events, i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ancient_atomic.htm#menu), Israel; Rajasthan (http://rense.com/general3/8000.htm), India; Mohenjo-Daro (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arqueologia/esp_mohenjo_daro_1.htm), Pakistan to mention just a few archeological locations around the world. There are more.

If one reads any of the researchers I've referenced within this thread, i.e. Farrell, Levenda, Marrs, etc. one will soon discover there is overwhelming evidence for a catastrophic war sometime in great antiquity - possibly even multiple times in antiquity.

The evidence is not always clear regarding who the participants were in these wars. Assuming that Gods = Reptoids than one must assume this fighting was between different species of Reptoid Aliens. The case for (at least some of) the Gods being Hyperdimensional Reptoids is conclusive.

If there is still an hyperdimensional influence from these alleged Gods - and, I submit this evidence is also conclusive - than is there still an ongoing war?

Anyone commenting on this would only be interpreting what is being given to Humanity through artificial telepathic implants. I see no physical evidence that would suggest the Gods are still at war with one another.

Prove me wrong.

Thank you for keeping this an expose' on hyperdimensional Reptoids. I welcome any evidence you can offer to this fact.

[MariaDine]

If, perhaps as you point-out, those Reptoids have an intolerance to excessive radiation, than it only follows - through their hyperdimensional/ritualistic influence - they have caused a persuasion on the programing of Humanity to make radioactivity something to be regulated.

I, however, would be more inclined to believe the increase in nuclear activity on the planet is more the result of the Reptoid Agenda to depopulate Earth - a well established Global Elite Agenda.

Actually I was more commenting on the "disasters" that don't seem to be "disasters" after all (at least not at the scale we are told and not for us earth native types) 3mile island, Chernobyl, Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombings (which seemed almost senseless in historical 20/20) modernly Fukushima; I guess this does boarder on a debate of radiation and it's actual cause, but based on my research all of these were low impact events (as far as radiation is concerned, of course the bombs did a devastating amount of damage to the two Japanese cities and same with the Tsunami, but even the origins of that (Tsunami) are questioned & perhaps the outcome was exactly what happened, though not aimed at humans specifically).

Basically I was pondering the possibility that the in-fighting between factions in the Anunnaki caused "Anunnaki-specific" attacks (such as the use of intolerable radiation which disrupts their longevity work with gold Ormus's, or is just incompatible with their genetic make up) could be factors in these mostly senseless and some times suspicious incidents.

If nothing else it's clear that there are differing factions, and they are not afraid to be aggressive toward each-other; presumably using their favorite tool: humans, as the pawn in these disputes/schemes.


Anyway, just a flash of correlative corroboration thought that came to me while listening to the interview.


EVERYBODY SHOULD READ THIS - Radiation effects from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_effects_from_the_Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster


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and this http://www.infowars.com/is-the-government-stockpiling-iodine-in-preparation-for-fukushima-meltdown/

« Many manufacturers are now stockpiling raw iodine and holding on to the element as a form of investment with the knowledge that Fukushima may very well meltdown in the coming months.»

[MariaDine]

Thanks again Maria. I read "Worlds in Collision" many years ago, along with several other of Velikovsky's works.

Wal Thornhill has teamed-up with David Talbott and have produced an outstanding series of videos based on Velikovski's, "The Electric Universe (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvHqXK_Hz79tjqRosK4tWYA)."

This hour-long (+) video gives an excellent foundational understanding of the Velikovskian Theories regarding mythologies and historic records that you referenced in the above comment #103 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=791520&viewfull=1#post791520):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLwOAYhBuU3UfvhvcT1lZA6KbSdh0K2EpH

It also adds a whole lot of sound reasoning regarding the electrical nature of the universe. It's well worth investing the time.




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MY INFO ABOUT THE CROWN OF VENUS , PRESENTED IN THE VIDEO « SYMBOLS OF AN ALIEN SKY »

The crown is symbol of the descend of the «divine« golden energy - Holy Spirit - Venus (godess of Love) - the Mother Godess - the Dove - etc ------all the same thing


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SIAM - dancers wearing the divine crowns (of VENUS) depicting the descend of the GOLDEN DIVINE ENERGY IN THE CROWN CHACRA

http://www.siam.com/images/Artwork/siam-dance-175.jpg

http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions/emerald-cities/large/14.jpg

[observer]

Thanks again Maria. I read "Worlds in Collision" many years ago, along with several other of Velikovsky's works.

Wal Thornhill has teamed-up with David Talbott and have produced an outstanding series of videos based on Velikovski's, "The Electric Universe (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvHqXK_Hz79tjqRosK4tWYA)."

This hour-long (+) video gives an excellent foundational understanding of the Velikovskian Theories regarding mythologies and historic records that you referenced in the above comment #103 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=791520&viewfull=1#post791520):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLwOAYhBuU3UfvhvcT1lZA6KbSdh0K2EpH

It also adds a whole lot of sound reasoning regarding the electrical nature of the universe. It's well worth investing the time.




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MY INFO ABOUT THE CROWN OF VENUS , PRESENTED IN THE VIDEO « SYMBOLS OF AN ALIEN SKY »

The crown is symbol of the descend of the «divine« golden energy - Holy Spirit - Venus (godess of Love) - the Mother Godess - the Dove - etc ------all the same thing


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SIAM - dancers wearing the divine crowns (of VENUS) depicting the descend of the GOLDEN DIVINE ENERGY IN THE CROWN CHACRA

http://www.siam.com/images/Artwork/siam-dance-175.jpg

http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions/emerald-cities/large/14.jpg

Thank you Maria,

With your many comments over the last few pages, you have added much cross-cultural corroborating evidence to how Gerald Clark (from the OP (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=754547&viewfull=1#post754547)) describes the evolution of the gods throughout the evolution of the social structure, over millennia of time. [my interpretation of Clark's work] One fundamental understanding would be that it has always been the Same God - the same Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities - simply with different names, i.e. semantics.

If one listens to the "Symbols of an Alien Sky" video all the way through, David Talbott and Wal Thornhill have gone a long way to document the Velikovskian Theory of "Worlds in Collision". Understanding that these mythological archetypes of antiquity are simply representations of cosmic plasma discharge, offers quantum leaps to understanding those myths as a perceived reality.

However, with the "Electric Universe" understanding, and going one step further, one must now attempt to quantify the motive behind, why the ancient civilizations always 'saw' reptile forms within their visions of these archetypes? Why does the ancient mythological interpretation always seem to be reduced to a common denominator of some reptilian form?

I would suggest the inherent reason lies in what the Global Elite have been conjuring-up (since the Dawn of Man) in their ritualistic invocations - Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities.

The archetypes always reduce to that lowest common denominator - the life forms most commonly produced by intense ritual.

[TargeT]

If there is still an hyperdimensional influence from these alleged Gods - and, I submit this evidence is also conclusive - than is there still an ongoing war?

Anyone commenting on this would only be interpreting what is being given to Humanity through artificial telepathic implants. I see no physical evidence that would suggest the Gods are still at war with one another.

Prove me wrong.

Thank you for keeping this an expose' on hyperdimensional Reptoids. I welcome any evidence you can offer to this fact.

Well I have no evidence at all, and we are discussing hyperdimensional reptoids, so what I was saying is perhaps we need to view certain things in a different context.

You clearly do not wan't to shift your contextual view of nuclear incidents, I was just bringing it up based on the original posted video and some ideas (which make sense) about the possible (he didn't state it as "possible") intolerance to radiation due to origins much further from strong radiation sources.

This is corroborated in "lore" we have many stories about invaders coming to our planet and becoming "sick" (perhaps disease is assumed, when in reality it is radiation that is making them sick?) Just trying to think of what we already "have" to work with in a different context. I don't think we will see much in the way of evidence, as you pointed out.

[observer]

If there is still an hyperdimensional influence from these alleged Gods - and, I submit this evidence is also conclusive - than is there still an ongoing war?

Anyone commenting on this would only be interpreting what is being given to Humanity through artificial telepathic implants. I see no physical evidence that would suggest the Gods are still at war with one another.

Prove me wrong.

Thank you for keeping this an expose' on hyperdimensional Reptoids. I welcome any evidence you can offer to this fact.

Well I have no evidence at all, and we are discussing hyperdimensional reptoids, so what I was saying is perhaps we need to view certain things in a different context.

You clearly do not wan't to shift your contextual view of nuclear incidents, I was just bringing it up based on the original posted video and some ideas (which make sense) about the possible (he didn't state it as "possible") intolerance to radiation due to origins much further from strong radiation sources.

This is corroborated in "lore" we have many stories about invaders coming to our planet and becoming "sick" (perhaps disease is assumed, when in reality it is radiation that is making them sick?) Just trying to think of what we already "have" to work with in a different context. I don't think we will see much in the way of evidence, as you pointed out.

Duly noted, TargeT.

And, I agree with your observation. Specifically, the adversity described in mythology to an intolerance with radioactive conditions on the part of what that mythology describes as the Gods. [my interpretation: Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities]

Where we will not agree is in the concept that radiation is somehow good for the Human condition.

To convince me of that will take far too much research on my part. Research that I'm not willing to do at this age of my life.

I invite you to offer a link to the members, here in this thread, for some other thread, where they can go to debate this aspect of your hypothesis.

[observer]

This video was recently recommended by the YouTube 'bot on my account there. I noticed it also posted in another thread, here on Avalon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68087-Ancient-Aliens-Archons-Alien-Invaders-from-Space&p=792799&viewfull=1#post792799).

It also belongs here in this thread. It expresses exactly what this thread has been attempting to document:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJF8rJw19zA

[observer]

This video was recently recommended by the YouTube 'bot on my account there. I noticed it also posted in another thread, here on Avalon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68087-Ancient-Aliens-Archons-Alien-Invaders-from-Space&p=792799&viewfull=1#post792799).

It also belongs here in this thread. It expresses exactly what this thread has been attempting to document:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJF8rJw19zA

The above video has already been taken-down by YouTube for 'alleged' third party copyright violations.

Here it is again, broken-down into three parts; while it lasts, for those members interested enough to watch:

Part 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDwKOi6I_JI

Part 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyUfUXS5VfA

Part 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK5D7qqZZn0

I have no idea how long these videos will remain viewable.

[heyokah]

How Sound is Keeping Humanity Enslaved

In the recent Global Energy Breakthrough Conference in Boulder, Colorado, Michael Tellinger shared his theory that sound is one of the most abundant forms of free energy on the planet.
He said that sound is the primordial source of all things and is the common denominator of all creation.
With that being said, if an extraterrestrial race wanted to harvest energy from the planet, it could create such energy with sound.

There is evidence that the ancients used sound as energy

Michael Tellinger is a South African scientist, explorer, and founder of the UBUNTU Liberation Movement.
His interests in ancient archaeology started with the study of ancient stone circle sites near his home in South Africa.

http://i60.tinypic.com/10nvodj.jpg


In the video of his speech at the conference Michael explains the basics of the ancient artifacts that have been found that were used to generate sound.
He further explains how sound was used as energy to levitate objects in order to create the monuments that opened vortices which allowed spacecraft to come and go.

Smaller round circles in the shape of donuts or toruses and ice cream shaped stones were found all over the landscape in South Africa and across the world.
At one time, these beads or donut shaped crystalline stones had a higher trade value than gold because of their ability to generate energy through sound.
The Ice cream cone shaped stones properties which ring and reverberate with the harmonic frequencies of sound when struck.
Stone columns serve as antennae and are found in many of the ancient sites.

read more: http://www.in5d.com/how-sound-is-keeping-humanity-enslaved.html

-

Here is a tidbit of exciting information that Michael brought up in this presentation:

The stones of the ancient sites hold the records of everything that happened at those sites. One day soon, humanity will remember how to access this information and will use this knowledge to live the way they were intended.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8KWp61co1A&feature=youtube_gdata_player



This will fit in here as well

Sound-The Lost Secret of the Ancient Monument Builders

http://web.archive.org/web/20100325103555/http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=22906

[MariaDine]

This video was recently recommended by the YouTube 'bot on my account there. I noticed it also posted in another thread, here on Avalon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68087-Ancient-Aliens-Archons-Alien-Invaders-from-Space&p=792799&viewfull=1#post792799).

It also belongs here in this thread. It expresses exactly what this thread has been attempting to document:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJF8rJw19zA

The above video has already been taken-down by YouTube for 'alleged' third party copyright violations.

Here it is again, broken-down into three parts; while it lasts, for those members interested enough to watch:

Part 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDwKOi6I_JI

Part 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyUfUXS5VfA

Part 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK5D7qqZZn0

I have no idea how long these videos will remain viewable.

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I'm sorry, but all this info is a «salad» ! it's all mixed up ...


In the 4 dimension are the «Manipulaters» or what is known as Archons

They are not the same thing as the «Reptilians» , the several races/tpes of Et's or the «obcessors» .

The obcessors are «around» people ,due to karmic debts from past lives , from this Universe or from other Universes ...

[observer]

[....snip]
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I'm sorry, but all this info is a «salad» ! it's all mixed up ...


In the 4 dimension are the «Manipulaters» or what is known as Archons

They are not the same thing as the «Reptilians» , the several races/tpes of Et's or the «obcessors» .

The obcessors are «around» people ,due to karmic debts from past lives , from this Universe or from other Universes ...

With all due respect to you personally, I will strongly disagree with your conclusions, Maria.

Here is what James Robinson, general editor of the Nag Hammadi Library, has to say about the Gnostic understanding of who the Archons were:


From Here: (http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/03mar/archons.html:) "A close reading of these arcane materials shows that Gnostics were deeply concerned with alien intrusion into human affairs. The entities they called Archons appear to be identical to the ET’s of modern Ufology. Both Grey and Reptilian types are explicitly described in the codices. I would estimate that up to one-fifth of the core material in the NHC concerns the Archons, their origin, methods and motives."

Many of the researchers looking into what the Gnostics from antiquity believed, regarding who the Archons actually were, will all concur. These earliest understandings included what we now know as both the Grey and Reptilian species. All of these Gnostic understandings were eradicated by the Roman Empire in their 350 year campaign to create the Holy Bible.

This process was all directed from an hyperdimensional perspective through the technique of artificially implanted thoughts. Contact with these hyperdimensional entities has always been accessed through ritual.

If one were to further study the Nag Hammadi Text, one will discover that the early Gnostics considered the Anunnaki of the Sumerian legends to be one-in-the-same with those considered to be Archons by these early Gnostics.

I should also mention that the earliest Christians were the Gnostic Christians. These were the same sect the Roman Empire preformed the act of genocide upon. It was Pauline Christianity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Christianity)that was later absorbed into the Roman Empire to create The Holy Roman Empire.

[The Gnostic Christians knew and understood exactly who the oppressors of humanity were, and they left a record of such for humanity to discover and study in our lifetime.]

I would suggest listening to the videos again and trying to understand the concepts, because they represent the closest documentation of what is actually occurring, in my humble opinion.

Thank you for commenting.

[observer]

How Sound is Keeping Humanity Enslaved

In the recent Global Energy Breakthrough Conference in Boulder, Colorado, Michael Tellinger shared his theory that sound is one of the most abundant forms of free energy on the planet.
He said that sound is the primordial source of all things and is the common denominator of all creation.
With that being said, if an extraterrestrial race wanted to harvest energy from the planet, it could create such energy with sound.

There is evidence that the ancients used sound as energy

Michael Tellinger is a South African scientist, explorer, and founder of the UBUNTU Liberation Movement.
His interests in ancient archaeology started with the study of ancient stone circle sites near his home in South Africa.

http://i60.tinypic.com/10nvodj.jpg


In the video of his speech at the conference Michael explains the basics of the ancient artifacts that have been found that were used to generate sound.
He further explains how sound was used as energy to levitate objects in order to create the monuments that opened vortices which allowed spacecraft to come and go.

Smaller round circles in the shape of donuts or toruses and ice cream shaped stones were found all over the landscape in South Africa and across the world.
At one time, these beads or donut shaped crystalline stones had a higher trade value than gold because of their ability to generate energy through sound.
The Ice cream cone shaped stones properties which ring and reverberate with the harmonic frequencies of sound when struck.
Stone columns serve as antennae and are found in many of the ancient sites.

read more: http://www.in5d.com/how-sound-is-keeping-humanity-enslaved.html

-

Here is a tidbit of exciting information that Michael brought up in this presentation:

The stones of the ancient sites hold the records of everything that happened at those sites. One day soon, humanity will remember how to access this information and will use this knowledge to live the way they were intended.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8KWp61co1A&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Thank you, heyokah, for your most relevant Michael Tellinger video and the link you provided to The Lost Secrets of Sound.

Tellinger’s revelations are apropos as they bring my work here on the Avalon Forum full circle.

When I first joined the Old Avalon Forum back in '09, I was convinced that the pyramid systems located around our planet, and especially the Great Pyramid at Giza, were all a function of the control mechanism that imprisons humanity. I set my course to show evidence of how that system works. The first thread I started, here on the New Avalon Forum was started with that theory in mind (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3590-What-Was-the-Real-Purpose-of-the-Great-Pyramid-of-Giza---).

I think all the members can now agree that this global grid system and its associated monolithic structures are, in fact, all associated to the manipulation of human consciousness.

With any study of the science of frequencies, one will eventually come to the realization that this particular universe is one of frequencies, i.e. sound, light, smell, taste, etc.

It is commonly accepted that the human brain is nothing more than a frequency interpreting biological computer. The brain receives input from our sensory organs, including even the strands of DNA, all of which act as antenna receiving input from the conglomerate of frequencies that represent our perceived universe.

This field of frequencies - otherwise known as The Field of Infinite Potential, by quantum physics; or the Astral Plain, by metaphysicians - surrounds each of us and is interpreted into our physical realities by our individual brains.

All one need do to control an emerging civilization is to have the highly advanced technologies capable of controlling this Field of Infinite Potential that the human consciousness then interprets into a perceived reality. Were we all to manifest a totally different reality from one another, there would be no argument for something controlling all of this humanity commonly perceives – case closed.

Further research on this concept:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56913-What-controls-the-hologram

Tellinger's work goes further to document the evidence that sound frequencies have been used back into great antiquity.

Tellinger also makes a connection in other areas of his research between his discoveries in South Africa and the Anunnaki of great antiquity.

Therefore, by showing the use of sound frequencies as a high technology, from the earliest discoveries of Humanities past, this makes an excellent argument for the manipulation of Human Consciousness from those same days of antiquity. Only the evidence of the use of advanced technologies still remain.

There is no evidence that Humanity possessed such technologies, only the fingerprint of the use of such technology. Which begs the question, who was using this technology?

The conclusions should be obvious to any critically thinking mind.

[heyokah]

.....

Thank you, heyokah, for your most relevant Michael Tellinger video and the link you provided to The Lost Secrets of Sound.

Tellinger’s revelations are apropos as they bring my work here on the Avalon Forum full circle.

When I first joined the Old Avalon Forum back in '09, I was convinced that the pyramid systems located around our planet, and especially the Great Pyramid at Giza, were all a function of the control mechanism that imprisons humanity. I set my course to show evidence of how that system works. The first thread I started, here on the New Avalon Forum was started with that theory in mind (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3590-What-Was-the-Real-Purpose-of-the-Great-Pyramid-of-Giza---).

I think all the members can now agree that this global grid system and its associated monolithic structures are, in fact, all associated to the manipulation of human consciousness.

With any study of the science of frequencies, one will eventually come to the realization that this particular universe is one of frequencies, i.e. sound, light, smell, taste, etc.

It is commonly accepted that the human brain is nothing more than a frequency interpreting biological computer. The brain receives input from our sensory organs, including even the strands of DNA, all of which act as antenna receiving input from the conglomerate of frequencies that represent our perceived universe.

This field of frequencies - otherwise known as The Field of Infinite Potential, by quantum physics; or the Astral Plain, by metaphysicians - surrounds each of us and is interpreted into our physical realities by our individual brains.

All one need do to control an emerging civilization is to have the highly advanced technologies capable of controlling this Field of Infinite Potential that the human consciousness then interprets into a perceived reality. Were we all to manifest a totally different reality from one another, there would be no argument for something controlling all of this humanity commonly perceives – case closed.

Further research on this concept:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56913-What-controls-the-hologram

Tellinger's work goes further to document the evidence that sound frequencies have been used back into great antiquity.

Tellinger also makes a connection in other areas of his research between his discoveries in South Africa and the Anunnaki of great antiquity.

Therefore, by showing the use of sound frequencies as a high technology, from the earliest discoveries of Humanities past, this makes an excellent argument for the manipulation of Human Consciousness from those same days of antiquity. Only the evidence of the use of advanced technologies still remain.

There is no evidence that Humanity possessed such technologies, only the fingerprint of the use of such technology. Which begs the question, who was using this technology?

The conclusions should be obvious to any critically thinking mind.

Spot on observer !

[MariaDine]

[....snip]
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i'm sorry, but all this info is a «salad» ! It's all mixed up ...


In the 4 dimension are the «manipulaters» or what is known as archons

they are not the same thing as the «reptilians» , the several races/tpes of et's or the «obcessors» .

The obcessors are «around» people ,due to karmic debts from past lives , from this universe or from other universes ...

with all due respect to you personally, i will strongly disagree with your conclusions, maria.

Here is what james robinson, general editor of the nag hammadi library, has to say about the gnostic understanding of who the archons were:


from here: (http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/03mar/archons.html:) "a close reading of these arcane materials shows that gnostics were deeply concerned with alien intrusion into human affairs. The entities they called archons appear to be identical to the et’s of modern ufology. Both grey and reptilian types are explicitly described in the codices. I would estimate that up to one-fifth of the core material in the nhc concerns the archons, their origin, methods and motives."

many of the researchers looking into what the gnostics from antiquity believed, regarding who the archons actually were, will all concur. These earliest understandings included what we now know as both the grey and reptilian species. All of these gnostic understandings were eradicated by the roman empire in their 350 year campaign to create the holy bible.

This process was all directed from an hyperdimensional perspective through the technique of artificially implanted thoughts. Contact with these hyperdimensional entities has always been accessed through ritual.

If one were to further study the nag hammadi text, one will discover that the early gnostics considered the anunnaki of the sumerian legends to be one-in-the-same with those considered to be archons by these early gnostics.

I should also mention that the earliest christians were the gnostic christians. These were the same sect the roman empire preformed the act of genocide upon. It was pauline christianity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pauline_christianity)that was later absorbed into the roman empire to create the holy roman empire.

[the gnostic christians knew and understood exactly who the oppressors of humanity were, and they left a record of such for humanity to discover and study in our lifetime.]

i would suggest listening to the videos again and trying to understand the concepts, because they represent the closest documentation of what is actually occurring, in my humble opinion.

Thank you for commenting.

---------------
i only talk from experience .

Namasté

[linksplatinum]

I read Clark's, Sitchin's, and Tellinger's works and all of them correlate rather well.... Good read to catch up on some ancient "suppressed" history...

[MorningSong]

Here is more recent news on Sumerian tablets making a comeback:


Cornell to return 10,000 ancient tablets to Iraq

Cornell University is preparing to forfeit to Iraq a vast collection of ancient cuneiform tablets in what is expected to be one of the largest returns of antiquities by an American university.

The 10,000 inscribed clay blocks date from the 4th millenium BC and offer scholars an unmatched record of daily life in ancient Mesopotamia, the cradle of civilization. New York antiquities collector Jonathan Rosen and his family began donating and lending the tablets to Cornell in 2000. Many scholars have objected to the arrangement, suspecting the tablets were looted in Iraq after the 1991 Gulf War, which unleashed a wave of plundering in the archaeologically rich expanse of southern Iraq between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.

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The source of the Garsana tablets was the subject of a 2001 investigation by the Department of Homeland Security, according to records obtained by Harvard researcher Benjamin Studevent-Hickman under the Freedom of Information Act. Buying and possessing antiquities illegally removed from countries such as Iraq, which claim them as government property, can be a violation of U.S. law. Investigators also looked into potential violations of the Trading With the Enemy Act, which at the time barred doing business with Iraq, and tax fraud, the records said. The 1,679 tablets were valued at less than $50,000 when they were imported, but the donor received a $900,000 tax deduction when they were given to Cornell in 2000, the records said.

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Other American universities have recently agreed to return ancient art after evidence emerged that the objects might have been recently looted.

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Damage from illegal excavations in Iraq has far exceeded the more notorious thefts from the Iraqi museum in 2003, experts say. At the ancient Sumerian city of Umma, for example, thousands of tablets like those at Cornell have been found by looters who have dug pits over an area the size of 3,000 soccer fields in search of new finds. At the height of the looting, an estimated 150,000 cuneiform tablets were being stolen from Iraq every year.

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The antiquities trade has also been a source of funding for insurgent groups. Most famously, 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta attempted to sell antiquities looted from Afghanistan to raise money for the terrorist attacks. "You buy tablets and you're feeding the antiquities market," said Elizabeth Stone, a professor at New York's Stony Brook University who has directed archaeological digs in Iraq since 1975. "That feeds an enormous amount of destruction." To address the problem, scholars adopted a 2004 policy that required the permission of Iraqi authorities before publishing studies of objects that may have been looted, a step that Cornell has not taken. On the other side of the debate are scholars such as Owen, the Cornell Assyriologist who has led the research of the Rosen tablets. Owen has argued that ancient texts should be studied regardless of how they were excavated. To do otherwise, he said, would be to forsake valuable information about the ancient world.

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"Study of these cuneiform tablets is providing much new data on the history, literature, religion, language and culture of ancient Iraq that is filling major gaps in our knowledge of Mesopotamian civilization," Owen said in a statement released by Cornell. Some have questioned whether Iraq is stable enough to care for the delicate tablets once they are returned. About 600 antiquities that the U.S. returned to Iraq in 2009 later disappeared.

http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.it/2013/11/cornell-to-return-10000-ancient-tablets.html#.UzPN7c7eSJQ

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Here is more recent news on Sumerian tablets making a comeback:


Cornell to return 10,000 ancient tablets to Iraq

Cornell University is preparing to forfeit to Iraq a vast collection of ancient cuneiform tablets in what is expected to be one of the largest returns of antiquities by an American university.



Although this subject may be somewhat off topic (sorry observer), here's what Dr. Joseph P. Farrell had to say on his website 'Giza Death Star' about these looted cuneiform tablets.


LOOTING THE TABLETS
Posted on March 17, 2011 by Joseph P. Farrell


Here’s more food for thought on the looting of cuneiform tablets from Iraq:

New Policy on Cuneiform Texts from Iraq
(http://www.bu.edu/asor/excavations/textpolicy.html)
You read that correctly, the article was written in 2004, and reported that well over 150,000 tablets were being looted from Iraq per year.

But what really grabbed my attention here was ASOR’s “policy” in the wake of the looting of Iraq’s antiquities after the Baghdad Museum looting. Observe that the policy relates “to publishing unprovenanced artifacts.” Then comes the whopper:

“Because of current conditions in Iraq, “return to Iraq” would include temporary placement of the material on loan with an academic research institution in the United States which is approved by the SBAH, does not acquire undocumented antiquities, and commits in writing to transfer such material to Iraq at any time upon request from the SBAH. Such material will be numbered and photographed and this information shall be transmitted to the SBAH before publication or presentation. Under no circumstances could such material be sold or title transferred to any institution outside of Iraq. The ASOR Baghdad Committee can make a determination as to when conditions in Iraq permit the immediate return of materials to Iraq and this provision for temporary placement in a US institution would then no longer be applicable.”

You read that correctly: the ASOR itself would determine when the conditions were stable enough in Iraq for the return of “unprovenanced” artifacts, giving it virtual carte blanche to retain possession of whatever it wished for however long it wished.

Given the context of all those untranslated (and one can only assume to some extent uncatalogued) cuneiform tablets, the policy gives one pause, for what do those tablets contain? As of yet, no one has been sufficiently forthcoming on that point.

While one may safely assume that the vast amount of these tablets will be records of some sort, and contain information only of interest to the archaeological or historical specialist, the possibility remains that some of them might contain more sensational knowledge.

Therewith, once again, we have another indicator of the possible real motivations behind the thefts, and for the reticence of western governments to return lowly cuneiform tablets to an “unstable Iraq” while every effort has been bent to return the priceless objects of art to that same “unstable Iraq.” This, in itself, to my mind speaks volumes about what the real motivations for the lootings were all along: recovery and monopolization of knowledge.

This article was linked in the article: FINALLY IT COMES OUT: LOOTED CUNEIFORM TABLETS TO BE RETURNED TO IRAQ.
(http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/11/cuneiform-tablets-returned/)
As was said there in one of the responses: 'I’ve always thought the “full story” about the Anunnaki has yet to be told.'

[MorningSong]

Although this subject may be somewhat off topic (sorry observer), here's what Dr. Joseph P. Farrell had to say on his website 'Giza Death Star' about these looted cuneiform tablets.


LOOTING THE TABLETS
Posted on March 17, 2011 by Joseph P. Farrell


Here’s more food for thought on the looting of cuneiform tablets from Iraq:

New Policy on Cuneiform Texts from Iraq
(http://www.bu.edu/asor/excavations/textpolicy.html)

Given the context of all those untranslated (and one can only assume to some extent uncatalogued) cuneiform tablets, the policy gives one pause, for what do those tablets contain? As of yet, no one has been sufficiently forthcoming on that point.

While one may safely assume that the vast amount of these tablets will be records of some sort, and contain information only of interest to the archaeological or historical specialist, the possibility remains that some of them might contain more sensational knowledge.

Therewith, once again, we have another indicator of the possible real motivations behind the thefts, and for the reticence of western governments to return lowly cuneiform tablets to an “unstable Iraq” while every effort has been bent to return the priceless objects of art to that same “unstable Iraq.” This, in itself, to my mind speaks volumes about what the real motivations for the lootings were all along: recovery and monopolization of knowledge.

As was said there in one of the responses: 'I’ve always thought the “full story” about the Anunnaki has yet to be told.'

Hear! Hear! Absolutely!

I do not think this is off-topic at all! Thanks!

[observer]

I agree that all of those comments regarding the stolen Sumerian artifacts are completely on-topic.

The fact that there is criminal activity associated to ancient technology is not any great revelation, the crime has been a continuing agenda since the science of archaeology was created in the mid 1800s.

The real crime is that none of the information contained on those stolen tablets has been made public.

This aspect of the crime is a continuing template. One can place this template over Mesoamerica, Egypt, the Carpathian anomalies, just about any archaeological discovery involving anomalies.

See Michael Cremo's work on Forbidden Archeology:
http://www.forbiddenarcheology.com/

[DePortugal]

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