Project Camelot: Total Recall - my interview with Mark Richards

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bPhG3WP2xM

"Published on Nov 8, 2013
This is an interview with Captain Mark Richards conducted at Vacaville Prison on November 2, 2013. This is the first time in the over 30 years of his incarceration, that any journalist has interviewed him. I was not allowed to document this face-to-face interview with camera or any recording devices or to take notes during the interview. Everything you are about to see has been recalled from memory immediately after my meeting with him. Just prior to the interview I spoke briefly with his wife Jo Ann who also was present during the interview.

Navy Captain Mark Richards was an officer involved in the Dulce Battle as well as very active in the Secret Space Program and U.S. Space Command for many years prior to his being arrested and convicted of a murder he did not commit. This is a classic case of the government framing someone who they feel may be turning against them from within the military.

"...When the truth was evident that sub-humans and other creatures were being produced from abducted human females, impregnated against their will, a secret resistance group formed within the military and intelligence agencies of the U.S. Government that did not approve of the deals that had been made with the 'Off-worlders'. Many of these brave humans would be assassinated, or "died under mysterious circumstance," or would be silenced in other ways.

The Air Force Intelligence Officer that reportedly was the man who met with the Aliens at Holloman (Air Force Base) in 1964, was the legendary 'Dutchman,' Ellis Loyd Richards, Jr. - the same man who would reportedly order the attack on Dulce in 1979, and whose son, Captain Mark Richards, would lead the human attack on the facility."---E.D.H. Earth Defense Headquarter's
Technical Brief/ Winter - 2001
Edited by
CAPTAIN MARK RICHARDS"

[Cognitive Dissident]

The previous interview Kerry did with his wife was pretty amazing. Sounds like this guy is the real deal, and has first hand experience of the legendary Dulce battle... wow. Will post again after I have the chance to watch it, but my first impressions are... wow.

[Limor Wolf]

Watched it. Incredibly reliable information and is spanning the big picture of what is happening around us here and what is happening to us and to this planet and all it's inhabitants. we are like ants, not really knowing what is going on in our surrounding and what we are involved with. And not unlike geese in a pen.
Many forces are acting over our heads. What is easy to be noticed from what Captain Mark Richards is relaying to Kerry is that there is none (zero percent) relations to the soul component, either in human beings or in other species. The reference is always touching only technology and genetics.

It would be interesting to know if Kerry had the chance to ask him about any scenario with all these ET wars and battles above our heads that suggest their preperations towards further changes in consciousness in human beings and in the galaxy, can they understand this constituent in ourselves and how is it characterises in them, and what is their reaction to this, is this a valid threat to them that may hinder their agendas or it maybe does not exist for them at all?

I have served in the desert area doing my military service at the Air Force and visited the grounds of the Dimona Neuclear Plant, considered to be a gateway. I have no doubt that we humans are used to the needs of others who impose their sovereignty on Earth as much as we are using others to our own needs, and so the wheel keeps spinning...

There are many whistleblowers, in many different areas of our lives, but what Kerry is bringing here in this interview with top rank military personal Captain Mark Richards, is the core of what is going on on this planet from a higher perspective. Not easy to absorb or internalize, but apperantly essential for those who want to tackle reality right in it's ugly face, in order to find and work towards reality's more beautiful face. Things can be different, but the other can not be achieved if the first one will not be revealed. And it sure looks like a Cul de sac situation. It somehow seems that there are some points where the vision of the Extraterrestrials who are involved in this place are narrow, that's where we need to focus, good old consciousness, good old higher vibration and transformation of the place to where they can't live. It is the opposite of what they are trying to do, apperantly we can not do this alone and in sufficient time, so we need a really big help and intervention of higher inteligence to assist this low frequency game to be over. Life as we know it (or getting to know, or remembering) concludes of many layers and every stroy has a bigger story. The aliens are not the final word, our human hybrids that are in service to them are not the final word and we as a rather operssed genetically modified specie with a real big diamond ingrained in us are not the final word. The final word may eventually appear from another place. And that very well may be for the best.

Good information provided by Kerry

[Mike Gorman]

Have massive problems with talk of 'Reptilian' races, looking at even basic biological influences on brain development,
oposable thumbs, language; development of technology it seems difficult to account for this...not saying it can't be, or I am completely skeptical
I just have issues with it, it makes me twitch. What is the consensus of the board? Wild stuff it must be admitted.:wizard:

[Limor Wolf]

Have massive problems with talk of 'Reptilian' races, looking at even basic biological influences on brain development,
oposable thumbs, language; development of technology it seems difficult to account for this...not saying it can't be, or I am completely skeptical
I just have issues with it, it makes me twitch. What is the consensus of the board? Wild stuff it must be admitted.:wizard:

Completely understood. Some of us are living this realities in our day to day lives. Something like the canaries in the coal mine. Please do not totally disregard

[sheme]

I am halfway through and have to stop for a break Amazing information so far, get comfy and take notes. Thanks to Kerry for this work.

[Bill Ryan]

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Not yet listened to this, but I certainly will. :)

Kerry and I always knew about Mark Richards, but were never able to reach him. Kudos to Kerry for publishing this.

From what I know and knew (and again, I've NOT yet listened to this), it's possible that his incredible story has a lot of important truth in it. His wife Jo Ann, although she tried earnestly in various interviews she gave, and worked as a bookkeeper rather than as any kind of scientist, wasn't able to represent his story without sounding a little naive and silly. Unfortunately, she was ridiculed quite a lot.

But the Secret Space program most certainly exists, and there's compelling evidence that advanced US craft have been operational for decades now which have ventured to the far reaches of the solar system and even beyond.

The very large base on Mars was probably functional since the early 60s (we were told by Henry Deacon that it was a much more ancient facility that had been re-occupied and upgraded), and there have been bases on the moon since the 50s. More later in detail after I've heard the interview: give me 24 hours or so.

[Pilgrim]

After some time I appreciate this very "civil" attitude, thank you, Kerry.

[greybeard]

Have massive problems with talk of 'Reptilian' races, looking at even basic biological influences on brain development,
oposable thumbs, language; development of technology it seems difficult to account for this...not saying it can't be, or I am completely skeptical
I just have issues with it, it makes me twitch. What is the consensus of the board? Wild stuff it must be admitted.:wizard:

I cant say that its untrue, but where I have a challenge believing is the small number of those prepared to whistle blow about such things.
I understand the threat to life if you do.
I understand those in the know will have signed a secrets act document.

Take a similar subject.
Underground cities.
Now if there are these cities thousands would have been employed in the construction.
I would assume some would be married with families--- so not only do you have to keep the lid on the work force but others associated with them.
All I have seen is a few videos that could have been made in any underground project.
I have looked with open mind.

All these conspiracy theories give power to the powers that be that they may not necessarily have.
I do however belief in UFO's and extra terrestrials.

I fully accept that I may be in ignorance.

My reality is simple.
I believe I am eternal --not the body--- the rest is story telling which may be true but on the demise of this body how important is this story.
All I can do is share spiritual information and scientific information that is relevant to this evolution of mankind that is going on.
The hope for the survival of the human species lies in spiritual evolution---David Ike says similar.

Chris

[Cognitive Dissident]

This is a fascinating interview; I've listened to half of it but need to take a break as there is too much to absorb. I have no way to tell whether it is true or not, although it does have the ring of truth, and clearly Kerry is convinced. I have some quibbles, though:

The whole thing with the raptors doesn't make much sense to me - how can a species with such tiny arms and claws ever get to be technologically advanced i.e. spacefaring? I just may not understand something here, but it doesn't add up. Maybe there is another species in the background, behind them.

Unrelated, but Kerry related his prediction that China would have some sort of internal revolution in 5 years' time. As someone with direct personal experience of China, I have got to say, this is not going to happen: the authorities have a very tight lid on the population and there is no way any alternative organisation is going to get any traction on the ground. There might be some battles in cyberspace if, say, Anonymous get involved, but in terms of on-the-ground challenge to authority, highly unlikely to happen. I was surprised to hear this as a prediction without any sort of supporting evidence, but we shall see and if it turns out to be correct, fair enough.

Anyway, overall an extraordinary interview and I look forward to watching the rest and also to hearing the collective wisdom of Project Avalon.

[ghostrider]

great job Kerry ... It is my belief the anomalies on mars that we uncovered concerning underground cities and machines led us to begin construction on earth of underground bases , asteroids and meteors can strike at any time , it would only be prudent to take steps to ensure that our race lives on and history is preserved ... not to mention the sun can do what it wants to at any time , flares expand our atmosphere, therefore lack of flares could collapse our atmosphere , living underground solves all these equations ... earth's history began on mars first , then they came here , all over wars and geo-engineering their solar system , notice we repeat the same mistakes today , we know how it ends ...

[sheme]

Well Heaven hell the devil purgatory original sin- Egyptian murals are all starting to have a reality ring to them, I am mindful that brains can be manipulated -but I take it on board and file it all away in my drawer of possibilities.

The consensus of the Incomer would appear to be to stay hidden if they are all at war with each other then how has that agreement been made and for what purpose?

The Ison thing was mentioned how he knew about them coming? Yet Another ET race?

I can't help think that this is the opportunity for Bill to let us know that something he has always held onto, I have said this because I keep hearing a small voice asking me to ask Bill what he wants to let us know about. There I have asked- my job is done. LOL

[Ammit]

Well Heaven hell the devil purgatory original sin- Egyptian murals are all starting to have a reality ring to them, I am mindful that brains can be manipulated -but I take it on board and file it all away in my drawer of possibilities.

The consensus of the Incomer would appear to be to stay hidden if they are all at war with each other then how has that agreement been made and for what purpose?

The Ison thing was mentioned how he knew about them coming? Yet Another ET race?

I can't help think that this is the opportunity for Bill to let us know that something he has always held onto, I have said this because I keep hearing a small voice asking me to ask Bill what he wants to let us know about. There I have asked- my job is done. LOL

To be honest Sheme, I have had this opinion too.
It is only to be expected that Bill has heard things that have not come to light within the Avalon forum. It has to be understood that the apparent risks involved with divulging certain information have to be considered for the individuals who wish to inform others.
I would also say a big welldone to Kerry for the video and the information contained within it.

I eagerly await your logical analysis of this Bill.

[c0rv0]

Have massive problems with talk of 'Reptilian' races, looking at even basic biological influences on brain development,
oposable thumbs, language; development of technology it seems difficult to account for this...not saying it can't be, or I am completely skeptical

Indeed.
Every and each story reports another "race of ET". Now races tends to have separate culture, biology and interests.The supposed ETs share much more that is logical to suppose. For example this apparently decision to hide seems to be universal, accepted by the "positive" and the "negative" ones.
Also the story of a intelligent local "raptor" race is not consistent with what we know about biology and evolution.
This inconsistency typically is ascribed to the human side. But, taking in account other disciplines like demonology, we discover that those beings are liars and can take any form they want.
think of the many testimonials we have the genetics skills, combined with the ability to transfer "souls." A culture with similar technologies can create and possess any shape imaginable. this without considering the skills of telepathic suggestion.
Now, the interesting thing is that this is clearly our imagination, the forms described are those that the culture of origin of the human witness has invented.
Until we will continue to count ET races we will be lost in an ocean of deception and confusion.

[Pilgrim]

This inconsistency typically is ascribed to the human side. But, taking in account other disciplines like demonology, we discover that those beings are liars and can take any form they want.
think of the many testimonials we have the genetics skills, combined with the ability to transfer "souls." A culture with similar technologies can create and possess any shape imaginable. this without considering the skills of telepathic suggestion.
Now, the interesting thing is that this is clearly our imagination, the forms described are those that the culture of origin of the human witness has invented.
Until we will continue to count ET races we will be lost in an ocean of deception and confusion.


Good point...

[Delight]

Now, the interesting thing is that this is clearly our imagination, the forms described are those that the culture of origin of the human witness has invented.
Until we will continue to count ET races we will be lost in an ocean of deception and confusion.

I am not quite sure I understand what you mean by "Until we will continue to count"

Imagination,
Agreement to definitions,
Feedback from "reality" of the set definitions....

The power of the human imagination has been utilized primarily in the service of the maintenance of given agreements.
I am surprised by how we continue to overlook this factor.
The themes that disempower are convenient and have been very consistent across story lines.
Here are some theme examples of what I mean:

1. There is an Something Bigger, more powerful, more threatening ALWAYS looming.
2. We are not smart enough, strong enough, capable enough.
3. We need a protector (it might be the "devil" but we need the help)
4. We are indebted and the debt is never capable of repayment.
5. The theme of dishonesty that can lead to blackmail.
6. The theme of paranoia (someone out to get us)

That is not an exhaustive list but I am very much wondering if it matters what storyline is chosen when the themes are the same.
We seem to forget which comes first...the belief or the appearance.
Switching emphasis is possible.

[RMorgan]

That is not an exhaustive list but I am very much wondering if it matters what storyline is chosen when the themes are the same.
We seem to forget which comes first...the belief or the appearance.
Switching emphasis is possible.

Yep. The same soap opera script, as usual.

They change the main characters, change the scenario, but the overall script and dramatic story line is always the same.

Well, what can we do? This is entertainment, after all.

Watching these interviews is like watching blockbuster Hollywood movies; It's fun, but you always know what's coming even before entering the theater.

[Delight]

That is not an exhaustive list but I am very much wondering if it matters what storyline is chosen when the themes are the same.
We seem to forget which comes first...the belief or the appearance.
Switching emphasis is possible.

Yep. The same soap opera script, as usual.

They change the main characters, change the scenario, but the overall script and dramatic story line is always the same.

Well, what can we do? This is entertainment, after all.

Watching these interviews is like watching blockbuster Hollywood movies; It's fun, but you always know what's coming even before entering the theater.

It is not entertaining to feel afraid that one cannot have a life worth living. A life worth living is what we are agreeing is impossible on our own initiative. The belief that no matter what we "have", our "holdings" are set to be taken away at any time makes people agree to the devil that can promise in return for our "favors", we MIGHT be given a scrap or two.

[SilentFeathers]

With no disrespect to Kerry, this is just my personal opinion.

It always amazes me how so many of the so called truthers and those that claim to be awake and informed scream and shout for evidence to back sensational and hard to believe stories from the so called MSM, but, are happy and quick to accept a sensational news story or hard to believe whistle-blower testimony on some random website or you tube video, etc., without a single shred of evidence, no real source, just because it backs up their preconceived ideas.

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by RMorgan: " Well, what can we do? This is entertainment, after all"

It is not entartainment to Mark Richards who sit in jail and to others like him who dare get out with this information, but as is often said- The proof is in the pudding, and if you ain't gotten to eaten it yet, say thank you and excuse yourself, but if you fail to think that this pudding actually exists and about to be shoved into your throat, then a big surprise might be waiting for you around the corner.

Our reactions to this kind of information is our reaction. hunderedth of testimonies talk about reptilians with connection to our militaries and to the controlling system of our planet.

From what I can see, Delight's list is focusing on the 'reactions' of the listener and not necessarily on the message.

To some it is a 'storyline' and entertainment to others it is more real then real. Truth is (please don't count on me), it is all very real for us. We just don't know it yet. The question is, how each of us will swallow the pudding.. probably each in their own time.

[RMorgan]

It is not entartainment to Mark Richards who sit in jail...

Of course not, Limor.

However, just because he is in jail, it doesn't automatically make him a honest and reliable source of information.

Being totally impartial, how can you be sure that he didn't commit the crime that he was prosecuted and arrested for? How could we be sure that he was really framed, that someone set him up?

How can you be sure that he's telling the truth?

Sure, if he's innocent, I'm sorry for him. Hey may be actually telling the truth.

If he's not, it just means that he had quite a lot of time to invent crazy stories.

[Robin]

The Ison thing was mentioned how he knew about them coming? Yet Another ET race?

I can't help think that this is the opportunity for Bill to let us know that something he has always held onto, I have said this because I keep hearing a small voice asking me to ask Bill what he wants to let us know about. There I have asked- my job is done. LOL

For all of the Avalonians who are confident and adamant that ISON has nothing to do with ET races (at the very least an ET race following the comet trajectory), Kerry mentions at 36:50 via Mark Richards:

"He knows something about ISON and the beings that are coming as part of ISON and he's gonna try and get that information to me in as best a way he can."

That is all. ;)

[dianna]

It is not entartainment to Mark Richards who sit in jail...

Of course not, Limor.

However, just because he is in jail, it doesn't automatically make him a honest and reliable source of information.

Being totally impartial, how can you be sure that he didn't commit the crime that he was prosecuted and arrested for? How could we be sure that he was really framed, that someone set him up?

How can you be sure that he's telling the truth.

Good points .... also, I was thinking how can we be sure that he is not being forced to give disinformation on threat of his family's life (Kerry did say he could not tell her some things for this fear, and those things are probably what we actually NEED to know, that is, if he is a reliable source) --- anyway, just a thought, but I did find the video interesting ...

[SilentFeathers]

The Ison thing was mentioned how he knew about them coming? Yet Another ET race?

I can't help think that this is the opportunity for Bill to let us know that something he has always held onto, I have said this because I keep hearing a small voice asking me to ask Bill what he wants to let us know about. There I have asked- my job is done. LOL

For all of the Avalonians who are confident and adamant that ISON has nothing to do with ET races (at the very least an ET race following the comet trajectory), Kerry mentions at 36:50 via Mark Richards:

"He knows something about ISON and the beings that are coming as part of ISON and he's gonna try and get that information to me in as best a way he can."

That is all. ;)

For years now there have been claims of spaceships and aliens tagging along with every single comet that has zoomed through our cosmic neighborhood....one comet even caused many in a group of believers to mass suicide to catch a ride on one of these ships!

Seriously? how long are we going to put up with this nonsense? Where is the evidence?

Now we have a jailed whistle-blower claiming he knows EVERYTHING and even introduces a new spin to make it a bit different and now there are raptors and praying mantis critters from other planets crawling around here on Earth.

Perhaps years ago Richards did have a real experience with aliens, perhaps he did get framed.....after 30 years of being locked up with no one really giving a damn about him but perhaps his wife, perhaps this is entertainment to him now, after 30 years realizing that no matter what he says really will make a difference.....

[Delight]

It is not entartainment to Mark Richards who sit in jail and to others like him who dare get out with this information, but as is often said- The proof is in the pudding, and if you ain't gotten to eaten it yet, say thank you and excuse yourself, but if you fail to think that this pudding actually exists and about to be shoved at your throat, then a big surprise might be waiting for you around the corner.

If you Limor have personally met the pudding, I apologize for implying that you have not been made afraid by a threat. But I still challenge that it is because you translated an ability that is very much under rated.

My pudding is that in my experience everything I focus on shows up. That is my personal encounter with the liminal.... THAT does exist. This almost instantaneous appearance of what we focus on will be very confusing and possible threatening when we cannot feel the power behind our imagination.

I stand kind of strong on this principle because I believe the world has been crafted with a wide range of memes and when I met MY devil, I said."No thanks" and the devil did leave.

[gripreaper]

I’m with Limor and greybeard on this one. The main distinction between all races is the desire and ability to manifest and create based on external technology, or the converse being internal technology.

The 7 billion inhabitants we call human have many alien DNA splices and influences throughout millennia and when we look at the core brainstem, which contains the pineal gland at its very center, as well as the connectedness to the ethereal energy body, we see that this core contains the seeds for the inner technology of transformation and evolution which is rarely thought of as the main benefit in terraforming earth for some human 2.0. Why is the idea to eliminate this species which has these innate abilities?

If we try to back engineer the origins of species and who influenced the brainstem, whether it is reptilian or indigenous, we need to go deep into the Himalayan monasteries or the basement of the Vatican to get to the ancient scrolls which still remain and document the origins of the species and the evolution and how we came to be who we are now, and how we got here and ultimately, where we are going.

Some collective intent, if we base reality on a hologram in quantum energetics’ as being malleable based on the observer and the position of this observer in the matrix of all electromagnetic void, and the energy which is emanated from this transmitter/receiver we call a body, having a direct effect on manifest reality, we need to stay focused on the evolution of this consciousness emerging and the inner technology of awareness and abilities beyond the five physical senses.

These abilities include claireaudience, clairesentience, clairevoyance, remote viewing, teleportation, known by the ancients as the Siddhis practices, which do not require external technology such as jump rooms, stellar craft, star gates, modified genetics, supersoldiers, alien intervention, or the myriad of side roads leading to external technology.

The road into our future must evolve towards the inner technology and not the embracing of external technology. History teaches us, that taking to external technology to its ultimate extreme, without the development of the internal technology, would result in the same outcome as what happened on Atlantis many millennia ago, where we almost totally destroyed the planet and all of its inhabitants. This cataclysmic event, which is recorded in all of the ancient texts, whether it was perpetuated by aliens who came here and manipulated the indigenous species, or whether we acquiesced to this and helped manifest it, is not the point.

The main point, in my opinion, is that we do not duplicate the mistakes of history, but take what we have learned which is deeply imbedded in our DNA, and evolve internally, becoming more psychic and more able to manifest from our Siddhis senses, and quit trying to engineer a future based on the five physical senses and external technology.

[Delight]

The main distinction between all races is the desire and ability to manifest and create based on external technology, or the converse being internal technology.

The main point, in my opinion, is that we do not duplicate the mistakes of history, but take what we have learned which is deeply imbedded in our DNA, and evolve internally, becoming more psychic and more able to manifest from our Siddhis senses, and quit trying to engineer a future based on the five hysical senses and external technology.

I think it is ALL internal technology at the very bottom of the pile. This very real and very ever present 100% reliable and never escapable facet of the way we express the power of being in existence has been separated out in this experience. We go all the way around the gamut of exteriorizing and externalizing (technologizing) what is being created from within.

To ignore the underlying "laws"of the way reality (hologram or whatever...it is temporary build up of energetic structure) is MAN-ufactured is the individual choice. But to continue to treat all the stories as anything more than personal translations of theme makes us pretty impotent. I want my own power. That is what lots say they want. We already have it.

I intend to use it. THIS IS A LEARNING PROCESS. I want to share my enthusiasm for the elegance of the way thought forms display according to the faith of the beholders.

[Robin]

For years now there have been claims of spaceships and aliens tagging along with every single comet that has zoomed through our cosmic neighborhood....one comet even caused many in a group of believers to mass suicide to catch a ride on one of these ships!

Seriously? how long are we going to put up with this nonsense? Where is the evidence?

Now we have a jailed whistle-blower claiming he knows EVERYTHING and even introduces a new spin to make it a bit different and now there are raptors and praying mantis critters from other planets crawling around here on Earth.

Perhaps years ago Richards did have a real experience with aliens, perhaps he did get framed.....after 30 years of being locked up with no one really giving a damn about him but perhaps his wife, perhaps this is entertainment to him now, after 30 years realizing that no matter what he says really will make a difference.....

I'm not disagreeing with you. :eyebrows:

I just think that we live in a convoluted universe where many things can happen. Sure, we do not have evidence, and because of that we shouldn't base our reality off of claims. But just because we do not fully understand something, coupled with the fact that information is maliciously kept from the public, doesn't mean that these things aren't true.

We are so ingrained in our illusion of time and space where it can be difficult for us to cope with possibilities.

[SilentFeathers]

For years now there have been claims of spaceships and aliens tagging along with every single comet that has zoomed through our cosmic neighborhood....one comet even caused many in a group of believers to mass suicide to catch a ride on one of these ships!

Seriously? how long are we going to put up with this nonsense? Where is the evidence?

Now we have a jailed whistle-blower claiming he knows EVERYTHING and even introduces a new spin to make it a bit different and now there are raptors and praying mantis critters from other planets crawling around here on Earth.

Perhaps years ago Richards did have a real experience with aliens, perhaps he did get framed.....after 30 years of being locked up with no one really giving a damn about him but perhaps his wife, perhaps this is entertainment to him now, after 30 years realizing that no matter what he says really will make a difference.....

I'm not disagreeing with you. :eyebrows:

I just think that we live in a convoluted universe where many things can happen. Sure, we do not have evidence, and because of that we shouldn't base our reality off of claims. But just because we do not fully understand something, coupled with the fact that information is maliciously kept from the public, doesn't mean that these things aren't true.

We are so ingrained in our illusion of time and space where it can be difficult for us to cope with possibilities.

I believe in many things that I can't see or touch, but I have to draw the line somewhere or else the things I can see and touch seem to disappear.....

[sheme]

Quote from Limors first post here.

"And it sure looks like a Cul de sac situation. It somehow seems that there are some points where the vision of the Extraterrestrials who are involved in this place are narrow, that's where we need to focus, good old consciousness, good old higher vibration and transformation of the place to where they can't live. It is the opposite of what they are trying to do, apparently we can not do this alone and in sufficient time, so we need a really big help and intervention of higher intelligence to assist this low frequency game to be over. Life as we know it (or getting to know, or remembering) concludes of many layers and every story has a bigger story. The aliens are not the final word, our human hybrids that are in service to them are not the final word and we as a rather oppressed genetically modified specie with a real big diamond ingrained in us are not the final word. The final word may eventually appear from another place. And that very well may be for the best."

Yes Limor the apparent complete lack of high vibration dimension to the interview worries me--the lack of mention of noble beings involved in our affairs seems unjust somehow .

I know love takes power here someplace we just have to remember to believe it.

We should recall/read our good books and new age knowledge .

[greybeard]

Following on from Gripreaper post 26
The accounts of Near Death Experiences suggest that on the other side--which is just a different realm ---anywhere they put their attention, they are.
Same is recorded of some mystics--bi location.
The enlightened state is the next level for humans "homospiritus" in that state there is unlimited potential.
The heavy density (energetically) of earth makes it more difficult to realise that potential.
There are ancient Vedic text in great detail of flying machines.
I smile at the series ancient aliens---I dont think it was ancient aliens who built the pyramids for example--I suspect it was advanced race of humans.
I suspect that they could cut the stones tele-port these effortlessly and assemble the pyramid.

There probably are more advanced races out there---I suspect they are us.
I doubt very much that they have slow space ships limited to the speed of light-- I suspect they have craft which are consciousness driven.
They think a destination and there they are.

So here were are all excited by the story of a guy who cant get himself out of prison.

Honestly time spent going inside and discovering what you are is time is well spent.
You raise you spiritual vibration and see what happens.
You will be pleasantly surprised.

Out there yes an interesting story--- very much a may be so.

Chris

[sheme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1qc-o_3RTk

Here is the interview with his wife done by Kerry in June 2012.

[chocolate]

I hate when I am right. I like it, but I hate it.

Somewhere some time ago I made the connection between X-men and the Fukushima radiation as a way of creating mutants. I was so struck when I heard Kerry say it. I do agree Kerry is a bit more acceptable here, I am not a huge fan of hers since she just simply bothers me with her attitude. This time I am letting all else go, just to hear what she has to say.

I am really really sad right now.

edit:
I have a suggestion- we all sit right now for 10 minutes thinking about the earth and all the injustice, and correct it in our imagination. Hug her, dance with her, smile at her. I don't see anything else we can do. Terraforming the planet... where is superman when one needs him...

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by RMorgan: how can you be sure that he didn't commit the crime that he was prosecuted and arrested for?

We can't be sure. I doubt, Raf, if that is the point at all. We can only make assasments based on what we know on how the system works and treats such people having first hand knowledge since they want to make sure the birds don't start to sing. Mark Richardson will not be the first or the last to be thrown into jail for false convictions where 'accidently' he knows what he knows in regards to the ET scenarios on the planet. And by the way, no need to take every single information as it is given to us and seek the plain absolute truth in it, it will probably not contain the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but may provide us with some very important facts. No one person or whistleblower holds the ultimate truth, simpe fractions of it, yes, and they do their best to contribute to the grand picture. An overall and general tapestry can already be detected from all the insiders, what is called supersoldiers (what an inept name) , researchers and ordinary people who had experiences. Here we may assemble the big picture and not only gather the crumbs of the small details, and there IS something there.. please do not rush to throw the baby with the bath, this is all I humbly ask. You can always sort the information and put it in your ' not yet clear' drawer.

Raf, silentfeathers, Delight, I have the feeling that you are going to encounter more and more of such 'stories', and not all the people that will tell these stories will look unrational to you. Do yourself a favour and be patient with that and maybe stay open minded enough not to judge one way or another. I personally can't remember what it was like to live life without knowing that our governments are not acting on our best behalf (said in an understatement, as you know), even though, I promised myself at the beginning that I will. Nowdays, I am unfortunetly finding that I have less and less patience to those whom are willing to take a look, but at the same time are most insistent that such an option has never existed, instead of saying - perheps..

Same thing with the Extraterrestrial situation. Same thing with whistleblowers testimonies. Unless it can be verified that the person is clearly not saying the truth, then a perheps may be in order. Give it a chance.

We are deep in the s**t with some of these truths and there are very few who actually know and can verify that we indeed have such forces existing whom are messing with us in their desire to completely own us. An inconvenient truth, shall we call it..

Yes, quite inconvenient, but nevertheless it is what it is. Not because one man said it is, but because the very many who basically say the same thing. Different people, different variations. And look at the state of the world.. we may admit it is not completely out of logic.. Fantastic stories. But we live in fantastic times.. we are experiencing fantastic happenings and it is up to us to decide whether we want to keep being scared and remain puppets on a string or realize that we are indeed infinte souls inhabiting a body and we have nothing to lose. Nothing can be done to us unless we let it. and not knowing something, as you are very well aware, will not help us to be released for freedom, on the contrary, nor burying our heads in the sand. Belive or do not believe, that is fair enough, just ideally, better not try to minimize other people's testimonies (if we don't understand where they are coming from) in order for it to suit our own limited perceptions of reality because that is exactly where they want us to be, now it is a lot more then 1:0 to them. Overcoming fear as a repressed human being is a tough thing to do and a very long process, but it is one that needs to be done if we want to get out of this alive (as a species), and rulling our own fate instead of others doing that.

There surely going to be misinformation involved with all the details given, not much doubt about that, but demanding some tangible evidence on every piece of information in regards to the reality of our planet and the ET's agenda's surrounding it and casting a big doubt on every person who gives testimony (not in relations to the details) is not wise either. Things are moving fast forward, very fast, it is not waiting for us to grasp it and if we are not willing to at least listen attentively and with an open mind then we might miss some important pieces of the puzzle.


Originally posted by Delight: " My pudding is that in my experience everything I focus on shows up. That is my personal encounter with the liminal.... THAT does exist. This almost instantaneous appearance of what we focus on will be very confusing and possible threatening when we cannot feel the power behind our imagination.

I stand kind of strong on this principle because I believe the world has been crafted with a wide range of memes and when I met MY devil, I said."No thanks" and the devil did leave"

Lovely for you, but what about other people.. Imagine that there is something in the fact that thousands of Children and people are being taken to an underground bases to be experimented on by the ET's, with the knowledge and silent (or co operative) consent of our government. What if now, as we write, there are thousands of souls in the California desert or in the Israel desert or anywhere else in the world praying and crying for salvation.. the responsibility of us, the awake and aware who are incarnating on this planet, in comparison to the sleeping ones is more then just to ourselvs and our families, otherwise, we kind of missing the whole thing.

We do need our own power, absolutely. But how do we learn about it, how can we learn to manifest it, how can we strengthen our spiritual muscles when overlooking parts of our own creation, which are very troublesome to look at, on this we can agree. It is either we take full responsibility on everything that is going on around us, as our own creation, not leaving it to only a few others to deal with, or we don't. And if we don't then we should not expect to have any amount of serious help, since we are not completely willing to turn every stone and every corner in order to help ourselves and that means that the learning need to continue.

Discernment is soooo important these days, not only in the way of not accepting something, but also in deciding what actually IS reasonable to accept and to consider and sometimes the tools of reason are not quite the tools we were provided with in the first place in this 3D reality. Maybe just seeing if we can not throw the baby with the water and hurry to get our convictions right, because not only we may stay empty handed but we may also create ourselves a reality which may be quite difficult to be released from just because it didn't sound right to us back then.

Many blessings,

Limor

[Delight]

Lovely for you, but what about other people.. Imagine that there is something in the fact that thousands of Children and people are being taken to an underground bases to be experimented on by the ET's, with the knowledge and silent (or co operative) consent of our government. What if now, as we write, there are thousands of souls in the California desert or in the Israel desert or anywhere else in the world praying and crying for salvation.. the responsibility of us, the awake and aware who are incarnating on this planet, in comparison to the sleeping ones is more then just to ourselves and our families, otherwise, we kind of missing the whole thing.


I agree that I may be mistaken. The issue is that PERSONALLY though I have had my own High Strangeness experiences, I do NOT KNOW ONE missing person. How many do you know personally?

This history YOU may have with the missing is impossible for me to do anything about.

What I DO know about is manipulation of perception inprinciple and in experience. I also honor that we are being played but AGAIN my strong strong PERSONAL experience is that every single aspect of my "reality"conforms to my input of intention.

The ways this has translated could be very entertaining but it had only one plot...Am I willing to own my feelings, my intentions and my words. Am I able to see that murder begins in my heart.

Ideas are food stuffs. Nourishment is not that hard to discern but if my "taste" is spoiled, I need to go on a fast.

Am I able to say NO! to the stinking the expired and the unpalatable. Or will I just eat because I cannot feed myself something more nutritious? THAT is my understanding.

WORSE to me is the thought that i would try to feed anyone garbage. That offends the spirit in me.

[chocolate]

Reading your posts alongside listening to Kerry, I couldn't help but to ask myself: "Is it possible for the human kind to get together once and start behaving like those big beings we all are? Together to do something that is important, instead of trying to prove to one another who is right and who is wrong..."

[waves]

I didn't hear one big question posed and answered, especially with regards to information given about the current and proposed future state of affairs.

If he's been in prison for 30 years, how is he continuing to get accurate deep insider information since, all along and now?

[dianna]

Reading your posts alongside listening to Kerry, I couldn't help but to ask myself: "Is it possible for the human kind to get together once and start behaving like those big beings we all are? Together to do something that is important, instead of trying to prove to one another who is right and who is wrong..."

wisdom ...

[Hervé]

I didn't hear one big question posed and answered, especially with regards to information given about the current and proposed future state of affairs.

If he's been in prison for 30 years, how is he continuing to get accurate deep insider information since, all along and now?

... so-called prison may be a gate/portal...

[chocolate]

waves, my opinion is that one of the biggest treats is the AI (she called it robots). I am witnessing every day in my news feed how technology is trying to win over humanity. I am not a fan of the Matrix film, personally I sort of hate it apart for liking Neo. But if you re-watch it, you may see a lot. When you think of the black "goo" as a nanotech, and the supersoldier stuff, all the Pasific Rim scenarios (for anyone who doesn't already know me, i always refer to films in my posts as a visual example ;) ), it all points in the direction of a very cold, dark, unnatural non-human world. And apart from that I have my personal nightmares (dreams and visions) to add to those fears.

I am not against technology, but I am for using technology supported with knowledge, philosophy and understanding. In short, I am a very old-fashioned geek.

[RMorgan]

I didn't hear one big question posed and answered, especially with regards to information given about the current and proposed future state of affairs.

If he's been in prison for 30 years, how is he continuing to get accurate deep insider information since, all along and now?

It's nice to realize someone thought about it as well...

According to Kerry, he's been in contact with people from the outside world, supposedly people with inside knowledge. That's how he's allegedly aware of current affairs.

Now, ask yourselves...The guy has been allegedly framed for talking too much, and they allow him to maintain contact with key military personnel? Really?

We know for sure that prisons are not the ideal place to talk about delicate subjects, right? Every visit is formerly noted, if not unofficially recorded...Prisons are highly controlled and monitored environments. Practically nothing goes unnoticed.

Now, sure...If the guy was indeed framed, would other people from the inside take the risk to visit him once in a while just to keep him updated about the most possibly secretive kind of information? For what? How useful would be this information for him inside prison? They would risk their own integrity for what, exactly?

So, it leads me to conclude that, if someone was indeed feeding him inside information from the outside, they were doing it deliberately, with the approval of whoever is ranked above them.

No way someone from the outside would give him secret information just for the sake of keeping him updated. No way.

However, I really doubt someone from outside is keeping him informed at all. Why would they do that, even if they were deliberately feeding him disinformation? They would be simply counting on the possibility of someone like Kerry eventually interviewing him?

Another important thing that should be noted, is that Kerry is not, even by far, an ideal impartial interviewer. She's always sharing her views with her interviewees, when she's not trying to push her views to them altogether.

The Ison issue is crucial here. I bet the man never heard about Ison before Kerry asked him about it. His answer is, of course, predictable; He didn't have the time to fabricate anything about it, he never heard about it before, so he told her he would try find information about it and get in touch with her later...

Just think about it, folks.

If the man was really framed, who, in their right minds, would inform him about top secret issues, specially knowing that they might as well be the next one framed? For what purpose someone would take so much risk?

Anyway, let alone the fact the the whole interview is absolutely and clearly polluted and mixed up with Kerry's own views and opinions...It's hard to discern when she's speaking her own mind from when she's simply reproducing what the man said.

Raf.

[Flash]

I didn't hear one big question posed and answered, especially with regards to information given about the current and proposed future state of affairs.

If he's been in prison for 30 years, how is he continuing to get accurate deep insider information since, all along and now?

... so-called prison may be a gate/portal...

yes I did Wonder how he gets its information within a prison walls too.

What i noticed in the video is that Kerry says that Mantids were in general pro humans, that many races were split in sub groups regarding humans, in fact, it is complete paranoia, no group can be trusted.

And everyone is at war somewhat with many others and thanks to that, we are protected from any definite takeover. Well, I had heard the exact same thing elsewhere.

And that we have to be careful not to be eaten by non human colleagues restricting their impulses for our flesh when we cooperate.

But, this looks like being worst than on earth. WHo in his right mind want to evolve in order to live in such an environment????

And of course, nobody talks about souls, love, or anyything else such as evolution other than 2.0 robotic DNA development. Complete self service, self applying to groups as well, it seems

[SilentFeathers]

These stories spark the imagination and pull us in to these rabbit holes.....I try to discern from with in the "self, not from outside the self using my own experiences, observations, logic, common sense, reason, and even intuition.

This whole story fails every one of these things for me, except for a certain part of my intuition.....somehow I feel through my intuition bits and pieces of this may very well be true such as the existence of other beings, military scrambling to perhaps hide/destroy evidence etc. but other than that most of my intuition is also telling me this particular story does not make very much sense.

Is it possible that et's have children trapped and being held hostage in a mountain somewhere and perhaps doing experiments on them etc???? of course it is; anything is possible........here's the kicker though; should we be using our imagination about these et's holding children not having any evidence other than a few stories from people that can't be proven and freak out and tell ourselves that we are not being responsible by not believing it while there is blatant evidence children are starving to death all over the place on Earth right now that we just go on basically ignoring????? Should we blame et's for all the starving children in North Africa and in other places instead of blaming ourselves? Why not blame et for all the starving children on earth, it removes us from being responsible for it.....

With all these dozens if not 100's of et species warring on and around Earth with each other, kidnapping people/children is true or not, there is one fact that must be considered, regardless of the et/alien influence or not; Through discernment ( experiences, observations, logic, common sense, reason, and even intuition).....Humans are the most dangerous critters on this planet, we are doing the most damage to the planet and to ourselves.....

Perhaps these stories are just projections of ourselves....the darkside of us. Perhaps we have to create these aliens, these scenario's to escape being responsible for what we ourselves are actually doing to the planet and to ourselves and to each other.

[Taurean]

Seems hard to believe in these days of cell phone cameras that we still don't have at least some unambiguous or plausible pictures to back up more of these claims.

[SilentFeathers]

Raf, silentfeathers, Delight, I have the feeling that you are going to encounter more and more of such 'stories', and not all the people that will tell these stories will look unrational to you. Do yourself a favour and be patient with that and maybe stay open minded enough not to judge one way or another.

read some of the threads I have started and then tell me to have an open mind! lol!

[OnyxKnight]

When the truth was evident that sub-humans and other creatures were being produced from abducted human females,

My interest stopped at that sentence. I'm no longer interested in whatever story this might be.

To call another creature a sub-human as if we are the pinnacle of biological expression, is downright insulting for me.

[RMorgan]

When the truth was evident that sub-humans and other creatures were being produced from abducted human females,

My interest stopped at that sentence. I'm no longer interested in whatever story this might be.

To call another creature a sub-human as if we are the pinnacle of biological expression, is downright insulting for me.

You're totally right, mate.

Besides, all this story about hundreds of races from hundreds of different galaxies and planets being all that interested on Earth, fighting with each other for it....Come on...

This is totally anthropocentric, like us, humans, or our planet, were the most important thing in the universe.

I simply don't buy it at all.

Raf.

[Delight]

Perhaps these stories are just projections of ourselves....the darkside of us. Perhaps we have to create these aliens, these scenario's to escape being responsible for what we ourselves are actually doing to the planet and to ourselves and to each other.

IMO, We cannot know the truth through media so to try is futile. It purports to present truth but it is not direct experience.

We can receive ideas but we have a real life to compare. Media is two dimensional and edited. The real is multidimensional. Lately I began considering that stories I hear do not represent what I experience. My experience is unusual. Is yours?

I like Paul Levy who has written about the shadow.


Commenting on the human act of projection, Jung said, “Properly understood, projection is not a voluntary happening; it is something that approaches the conscious mind from “outside,” a kind of sheen on the object, while all the time the subject remains unaware that he himself is the source of light which causes the cat’s eye of the projection to shine.” When we shadow project, we hypnotize ourselves into relating to our own shadow as if it is outside of ourselves. Jung talked about “…the overweening pretensions of the human shadow, which we so gladly project on our fellow man in order to visit our own sins upon him with apparent justification.”

In shadow projecting, we split-off from and try to get rid of a part of ourselves, which is a self-mutilation that is actually an act of violence. In the act of shadow projecting, we disassociate from a part of ourselves and “split” (in two), turning away in revulsion from and severing our association with our darker half, as if we have never met it before in our entire life. We throw our own darkness outside of ourselves and see it as if it exists only in others. We then react violently when we encounter an embodied reflection of our shadow in the outer world, wanting to destroy it, as it reminds us of something dark within ourselves that we’d rather have nothing to do with.

In the act of shadow projecting, we perpetrate violence (both psychic and/or physical) not only on ourselves, but on the “other” who is the recipient of our shadow projection. This act of external violence is nothing other than our inner process of doing violence to a part of ourselves changing channels and expressing itself in, as and through the external world. In trying to destroy our projected shadow in the outer world, however, we act out, become possessed by and incarnate the very shadow we are trying to destroy.http://www.awakeninthedream.com/wordpress/shadow-projection-the-fuel-of-war/

The piece on Sandy Hook by Sofia Smallstorm was very well done placing media in a "dimensional framework". In the dimension of a story, the viewer is engaged and if we think its "real", we will make it real. We often fill in the gaps and gloss over inconsistencies. Suggest something and we may readily fill in the picture based on what we expect. The shadow can use media quite easily.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65200-Sofia-Smallstorm-Unraveling-Sandy-Hook

I am positive that the refusal to face one's own demons means they must be projected. This is also IMO the way we are changing. We are now getting strong enough individually to face ourselves. Then we have the opportunity to experience a benevolence "outside" that comes when we have befriended our own "inside" unaccepted aspects. That makes the collective look different. I have seen that first hand.

Questioning EVERYTHING we have not seen first hand (and that too?) seems to be the last stronghold of sanity. Incorporating the shadow seems an excellent trajectory for wholeness as humans.

[Robin]

Raf, silentfeathers, Delight, I have the feeling that you are going to encounter more and more of such 'stories', and not all the people that will tell these stories will look unrational to you. Do yourself a favour and be patient with that and maybe stay open minded enough not to judge one way or another. I personally can't remember what it was like to live life without knowing that our governments are not acting on our best behalf (said in an understatement, as you know), even though, I promised myself at the beginning that I will. Nowdays, I am unfortunetly finding that I have less and less patience to those whom are willing to take a look, but at the same time are most insistent that such an option has never existed, instead of saying - perheps..

I think controversial videos such as this spark huge debates between left-brained and right-brained people. I was torn to pieces in my David Wilcock thread in an argument that was nothing more than a disagreement on whether we should trust what an individual says. In this case it's Kerry's biased views and whether Mark Richards is credible.

These arguments won't go anywhere, as this forum is full of very intelligent people who are either left-brained or right-brained oriented. In essence I think both sides are correct and valid in their viewpoints.

If we demand evidence, how are we any better off than all the people who are asleep while getting hammered by the system? They have the audacity to say ETs don't exist because there is no evidence, when in reality they stay confined in the comforts of their own beliefs. As the Alternative Community, I think that we know that we live in a convoluted universe, where what seems most crazy is our reality.

But I also understand the need for left-brained individuals to prefer evidence. Your point-of-view is critical and greatly appreciated. Keep seeking your evidence while right-brained people analyze the video. Then if and when you find evidence to support or debunk the video, share it with the rest of us so we can move on. :madgrin:

[Delight]

Raf, silentfeathers, Delight, I have the feeling that you are going to encounter more and more of such 'stories', and not all the people that will tell these stories will look unrational to you. Do yourself a favour and be patient with that and maybe stay open minded enough not to judge one way or another. I personally can't remember what it was like to live life without knowing that our governments are not acting on our best behalf (said in an understatement, as you know), even though, I promised myself at the beginning that I will. Nowdays, I am unfortunetly finding that I have less and less patience to those whom are willing to take a look, but at the same time are most insistent that such an option has never existed, instead of saying - perheps..

But I also understand the need for left-brained individuals to prefer evidence. Your point-of-view is critical and greatly appreciated. Keep seeking your evidence while right-brained people analyze the video. Then if and when you find evidence to support or debunk the video, share it with the rest of us so we can move on. :madgrin:

At the risk of sounding belligerant...and I really am not....my experience with ETs and other fey creatures is not the issue. My issue is that I doubt his reportage of the very antithesis of MY life experience. The ATTITUDE, the VIEW of LIFE is completely unsubstantiated by my experience and I am suspicious and I have a right to ask for anything that is in the media to be able to stand up to my test of truth.

Furthermore, I am balancing my brain so that all my channels are in play. I am not asking for evidence. I am questioning the whole premise.

[SilentFeathers]

IMO, We cannot know the truth through media so to try is futile. It purports to present truth but it is not direct experience.

We can receive ideas but we have a real life to compare. Media is two dimensional and edited. The real is multidimensional. Lately I began considering that stories I hear do not represent what I experience. My experience is unusual. Is yours?

My experience is VERY unusual....it's interesting that you have pulled in the Sandy Hook event into a thread about the Dulce event and bizarre alien claims, both have the same type of creepy dynamics.

Some say God works in mysterious ways, but, perhaps the shadow/darkside works in a more mysterious way, especially when there are some who project and manifest a darkness that is forced upon others and try to create a version of it to be seen and understood from only one angle or perspective.....all other angles or perspectives are strictly forbidden. Once beyond the one angle or perspective (having an open mind) the whole event and or story appears completely different, or perhaps completely false, leaving us confused and then questioning the projectors or storytellers intent.

Sandy Hook is a great example because there is a display of images to illustrate the story, real people crafting it in to real life, bizarre claims, even though it still is quite "unbelievable", the darkness is basically the same as the things Mark Richards is claiming/projecting.

Both stories so different but strangely born out of the same darkness.....

IMO both stories are beyond someone trying to be right or wrong, speaking truth or telling lies.....they are both more or less a type of manifestation of some strange darkness from a place of bizarre intentions. Very weird indeed.

[Delight]

IMO both stories are beyond someone trying to be right or wrong, speaking truth or telling lies.....they are both more or less a type of manifestation of some strange darkness from a place of bizarre intentions. Very weird indeed.

Exactly. I would triple thank your post if possible.

My question is for me just where my boundaries lie and IF I am as powerful as I know YOU (and ALL) are, we are being asked where do we choose to align.Those who know where they stand may really truly now just DISAGREE with the bizarre intentions. If you know where you stand, you can choose your place.

For me PA is a place to put my counter intentions. Then it goes into the place where all thought forms sit waiting. Then it flips and voila...here it is in my face.

[Hazel]

A two-penneth, for what its worth..

I discovered recently that the cat family is the only mammal genetically related to reptiles.. e.g.. as embodied in their vertical pupils and claws. Inference being that.. how else has this 'hybrid mutation' manifested.. beyond our yet to be broadly 'known' understandings?

In minds eye visioning l have seen crocodile like creatures around our sun and dragon like creatures in other scenes/ I wonder why then they occupy our subconscious minds/ imaginations in such ways as documented in the 'Dreaming' and ancient records of all cultures on the planet?
Seems like some clues about reptilian DNA and off world influences is not so hidden.. but actually in plain sight.

Kerrys interview with this man has been a long time coming and am curious as to why though... but in her usual candid style she has recapitulated and rewiped the misty window on a lot of information that is by now all too familiar quase-disclosed information.

As we all are.. am very much looking forward to Bills response..

[SilentFeathers]

These arguments won't go anywhere, as this forum is full of very intelligent people who are either left-brained or right-brained oriented. In essence I think both sides are correct and valid in their viewpoints.

If this is your view, that both sides are correct and valid in their viewpoints, why do you perceive this thread as an argument going nowhere rather than a discussion going interesting places?

Flow with it :) It's a great thread!

[Robin]

These arguments won't go anywhere, as this forum is full of very intelligent people who are either left-brained or right-brained oriented. In essence I think both sides are correct and valid in their viewpoints.

If this is your view, that both sides are correct and valid in their viewpoints, why do you perceive this thread as an argument going nowhere rather than a discussion going interesting places?

Flow with it :) It's a great thread!

I would most certainly agree that Kerry tends to give her own opinion when trying to bring forth information, just like many journalists. I would also agree that she has an attitude, which can be off-putting, but she means well.

As a scientist, it is my duty to analyze things unbiased. This paradigm of thinking has slightly changed over the years upon realizing that even mainstream science is manipulated. Everything I've learned in college pertaining to evolution, physics, etc. has been twisted. So for me it is difficult to quickly dismiss a claim when I now know that any piece of information has the capability of being disinformation/truth.

That being said, as somebody who also seeks evidence, I also know that in our jurisdiction system much of the time we base our verdicts of whether or not to charge somebody with felony by a few testimonials from people. This is not concrete evidence by scientific standards, but we have no other way. Sometimes we have to trust the judgments of others.

So we definitely have to draw a line when it comes to seeking evidence. As a scientists this is difficult, but I must trust my fellow humans to some degree.

But giving how the Illuminati have been such good and devious liars, we must hold the notion that any human on this planet is capable of lying.

So discernment can be tough. I'd rather hold something to be true, or has the potential to be true, unless evidence suggest otherwise. I think the burden of evidence lies on the debunkers. ;)

[lunaflare]

Anyway, let alone the fact the the whole interview is absolutely and clearly polluted and mixed up with Kerry's own views and opinions...It's hard to discern when she's speaking her own mind from when she's simply reproducing what the man said.

Well observed, Raf. These stories do keep, Project Camelot spinning and certainly provide provocative forum commentary and insights. I enjoy being open to the ideas mentioned in this video. This information will not directly affect my life as I know it today, but for others it may give deeper insights and possible healing...
What is truth? If it is conjured in thought-form, no matter how fantastical, then it is possible. Life is a wide collection of varying stories- some grounded in personal experiences, sometimes embellished and sometimes not.
i conclude that people tell stories (share information) because they have an agenda.

One area that gets little mention is the realm of dreams. What happens exactly when we sleep- are we subject to manipulation or indeed "fed" information? Is this how the Captain may stay in the loop, so to speak?
Or is this dream-world state purely restorative for our bodies? hmmmm

[mosquito]

...
Another important thing that should be noted, is that Kerry is not, even by far, an ideal impartial interviewer. She's always sharing her views with her interviewees, when she's not trying to push her views to them altogether.

The Ison issue is crucial here. I bet the man never heard about Ison before Kerry asked him about it. His answer is, of course, predictable; He didn't have the time to fabricate anything about it, he never heard about it before, so he told her he would try find information about it and get in touch with her later...


Exactly.

Something else which no-one appears to have noticed is that this IS NOT an interview you are watching, it's the interviewer's recall of the interview.

And another thing - If the PTB wanted to silence him, why go to the expense of keeping him in prison ? Far easier to do what they normally do.

This isn't anything to do with left-brained versus right-brained people (divide and conquer), nor is it to do with the existence or non-existence of alien races. It's to do with gullibility, susceptibility and the willingness of people to accept almost anything without question. We should question EVERYTHING, be it from the MSM, our parents our friends, our egos, inept interviewers or "whistleblowers".

Maybe we should all dedicate some time everyday to going inside and "interviewing" our true selves.

[OnyxKnight]

You're totally right, mate.

Besides, all this story about hundreds of races from hundreds of different galaxies and planets being all that interested on Earth, fighting with each other for it....Come on...

This is totally anthropocentric, like us, humans, or our planet, were the most important thing in the universe.

I simply don't buy it at all.

Raf.

I agree for the most part, yes.


Look, they may well be fighting for ... "something". It doesn't boil down to being - just about us, or just about our planet.


Here, think of it from a strategic point of view -

Pretty much most of the stars that are nearby are colonized by those representing one side of this whole stellar chess game and subtle warfare. I'm saying one side because we can't know for sure which ones are the "good guys". Let's call them the "good guys". The "hostiles", if they gain foothold here, have access to ... say, Alpha Centauri, Epsilon Eridani, Barnard's Star, Tau Ceti, 61 Cygni etc. - Everything is in arms' reach.

Now take a look from the "good guy's side", its pretty much the only star system with a species that is very underdeveloped technologically compared to them. Perhaps since we are so lousy, they may decide one day they want this place as well, from a strategic point of view (the "hostiles" cannot create a foothold here, all of the immediate neighborhood is secured).


I'm just throwing it out there. The reasons could be much more complicated.




One final thought - I agree that such stories may sound pumped up and concocted, true. I hope that doesn't send you off in the complete skeptic's corner. We do have visitors and many of them (for reasons unknown, with attentions unknown). Those that do visit most often, and do the "dirty work" (or those that do the "assistance"), they come from nearby places that are not very far (in astronomic terms).

[Robin]

I think that Kerry makes a good point in saying that Mark Richards is allowed to give Kerry this information because the PTB want at some level to disclose our reality to the public.

This is so when this information is finally accepted by the public, the PTB can hide behind their jurisdiction that they have been disclosing the information for decades (films, whistleblowers, subliminal messages). Poor excuse of course, but I really do think that this is their psychotic mentality.

[confused]

I would like to put this paradigm question out there - are the global PTB more unified and under control of one main source or are the influences all so fragmented the way Kerry interprets it? In my own opinion, while I believe there may be a number of different ET races interacting with the Earth, I would agree with those who believe it is predominantly one race that is in charge here and pushing things forward. Looking at history and the way things are unfolding, it seems to be too perfect of a setup for the human race to be moving toward one world government, army, financial system, etc. all this time in such a coordinated way than if there were multiple factions, and factions within factions, that really had any powerful influence. I cannot personally believe that the PTB could have perfectly arranged this so far throughout history, with the "Totalitarian Tiptoe" and Problem-Reaction-Solution techniques to get us to where we are today if there was so much disunity. To me all this multiple race and multiple agendas stuff is such a big distraction. Yes, of course there are multiple little agendas and side agendas and agendas within agendas, but it is clear, to me at least, that the one main agenda that all the PTB are focusing on is overt global control politically, financially, and militarily, with a much smaller population that is never ever again capable of breaking out of that situation.

Another thing that bugs me is when Kerry talked about shapeshifting not really happening like David Icke says it does. She clearly misses the plot there. It is all about holographic reality. He specifically says that it does not happen "physically" but rather the viewer has a change in perception that allows them to read the hologram of the individual to decode a different looking creature. So someone next to that viewer doesn't see it at all, not that the hybrid actually shape shifts physically and everyone sees it.

Of course, I side with David on a lot of things and his idea of one race controlling things is something I also tend to agree with.

[sheme]

I think Kerry was pretty brave to stick her neck out on behalf of the curious, she has done her best, the pressures of recall may have removed the spiritual essence of the messenger though from his description and pride in his personal genetic history ,( see Kerry interview with Joanne Richards) we may expect him to be rather precise and lacking in the tempering abilities of most humans with bad news. I know the prospect of the world that is likely given this information is an awful one, but, we are the curious and we have some more information to throw into the Jigsaw. Peace and love to all seekers of truth.

[araucaria]

Just a general point on our old friends Evidence and Proof, which crop up in all these debates. The two are not the same, in fact in some ways they are diametrically opposed. Absolute proof is ultimately elusive, while hard evidence can pile up to the point of becoming almost unmanageable.

The closest a court of law can come to 100% certainty is a flagrante delicto, when an offender is caught red-handed. But even then, it depends on the catcher. It may be a police officer, but even police officers can be unreliable, mistaken or dishonest. Alternatively, the accused may confess, but as we all know, confessions do not always equate with truth. Anything less is basically circumstantial evidence, and may have an alternative explanation: even hard evidence can be planted. Take DNA testing: a perfect match means odds of one to say sixty million against chance. Not good enough: on its own it does not constitute proof, because in a population like in the US, there would be another five possible suspects, hence the need for other corroborative evidence.

Secondly, hard evidence can pile up to the point of suggesting one conclusion that seems inescapable, until a further piece of evidence proves it to be totally wrong, albeit extremely close to the truth. To take a fictional example, the famous Agatha Christie novel The Murder of Roger Ackroyd, I have a book that makes a cogent case for the theory that despite the author’s carefully arranged evidence and counter-evidence, leading to the culprit’s confession, the actual perpetrator is not this character at all, but his sister. Regardless of the ‘truth’ of the matter, i.e. one’s personal verdict, you have the amazing potential situation whereby the author herself only came close to solving her own mystery, so close and yet so wrong that it would have led in real life to a miscarriage of justice.

The differences I perceive on this thread are not so much of the right/left brain kind as those that occur between experiencers and non-experiencers. This is the big gap that Avalon is seeking to bridge – the forum has many of both, involving all kinds of experience, and we are probably all both experiencers of this and non-experiencers of that. I posted something the other day suggesting that this has to be dealt with (see below). Whatever this phrase is supposed to mean, it surely includes the following. We are on the path to oneness, and our sundry discussions are that path. All I can suggest is that we suspend disbelief, suspend judgment, and instead of agreeing to disagree, to look forward to the day when we understand that we are all in agreement, about whatever turns out to be. The principle of a journey is that you are not where you were, even a moment ago, and the end point is anything but where you are now.



Hi Milneman, and thanks for joining in. I myself am not an experiencer but here is the sort of approach one can have to those who are. First get to know and become friends with them as you might with anyone else. Then, when they tell you something out of the ordinary and you know they are of sound mind and not joking, you can either just deal with it, or you can turn your back on a friend. It’s a simple choice, and one thing that distinguishes Avalonians from a lot of other people is that they are much more likely to choose the honourable path.

[greybeard]

The challenge is that it is fairly normal to seek conformation, unconsciously, that your held belief is correct.
Its even possible to manifest the "evidence" that one is right.
The meaning of the word Scotoma covers this in part.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotoma

Chris

[Limor Wolf]

The differences I perceive on this thread are not so much of the right/left brain kind as those that occur between experiencers and non-experiencers. This is the big gap that Avalon is seeking to bridge – the forum has many of both, involving all kinds of experience, and we are probably all both experiencers of this and non-experiencers of that. I posted something the other day suggesting that this has to be dealt with (see below). Whatever this phrase is supposed to mean, it surely includes the following. We are on the path to oneness, and our sundry discussions are that path. All I can suggest is that we suspend disbelief, suspend judgment, and instead of agreeing to disagree, to look forward to the day when we understand that we are all in agreement, about whatever turns out to be. The principle of a journey is that you are not where you were, even a moment ago, and the end point is anything but where you are now.



Hi Milneman, and thanks for joining in. I myself am not an experiencer but here is the sort of approach one can have to those who are. First get to know and become friends with them as you might with anyone else. Then, when they tell you something out of the ordinary and you know they are of sound mind and not joking, you can either just deal with it, or you can turn your back on a friend. It’s a simple choice, and one thing that distinguishes Avalonians from a lot of other people is that they are much more likely to choose the honourable path.

I very much thank you for your words, araucaria, which are a percised recognition of the conditions of the terrain we are required to play. And your subtle suggestion on how to bridge it.

[chocolate]

We are all different and we experience life (and Kerry :) ) differently.

I was a total non-believer, some time ago, in all kinds of "extras"- aliens, magic, paranormal, etc. Than something or more than one thing happened as a personal 3D experience and those tings just reshuffled the pieces I had gathered in such a nice comfortable order. ->
I am trying to say that life and information constantly come in our worlds, and based on where we are, and how we are, we take what we can in the way we can. I was grown up to belief in science, education, the solidity of this world, while at the same time I also had the distractions of things that don't quite fit in that material world. At one point I just started to "speed read" life. I only look at the situation, or information without trying to read them letter by letter or fact by fact. The same way some people who are creative individuals approach their paintings, sketches, writings, music.

Based on everything I have read, experienced and assumed possible, what Kerry brought to the table can be a total recall of 100% facts, can be a mix of truths and lies (disinfo), or personal opinion, but I just don't try to sift through this consciously. All of the information finds its corresponding place to ring true or false. This video for me comes as a not entirely readable sign on a crossroad, nothing more than that. But that doesn't mean I will stop observing the next sign that will be coming.

The less I try to find the more I see. In a world where everything constantly changes, which is the way it has been constructed to be, I have no solid ground, I move in my own way. One friend from the forum once said that we all were once innocent. That state is where I try to be, so that I don't get distracted by things that don't matter and focus more on the things that do matter, which is a subjective, always changing thing.

sheme, I think Bill will say what he needs to say when he needs to say it. I think he is being led by his inner guide, and also I think he is not revealing himself so openly for a reason.

[grapevine]

First of all I found the video 100% attention grabbing and hats off to Kerry for remembering what she did with hardly any repeats.

There is a lot to take in and digest but I find it difficult to believe that "they" - who are they btw? the US government or something else - are "filtering" this information out there - and through films and documentaries - when all they have to do is to have one reputable programme (like Panorama or Newsnight) and give it to us straight. Dealing with their deceit would be tricky though. Also, surely the large numbers of ETs themselves who are on the planet with us cannot possibly all remain unnoticed, especially when the "shapeshifting" ability is "not as David Icke has led us to believe". Major mass sighting would be on a worldwide scale surely . . .? Also, why are so many different races interested in Planet Earth when there are hundreds of millions of billions of other planets in the universe and hundreds etc of other universes? I mean - really?? And what's happening to their own planets while their armies are trying to take ours over . . . . .? Are ETs trying to take over their planets, eating them as they go . . . .

I don't have any problem with them eating us btw. If we were still in the bows and arrows stage we would still be part of the food chain after all, so being eaten by a reptilian or a tiger is still being eaten imo.

But still a very good video and lots of information to be put aside and evaluated together with other information.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

As for the problem of evidence regarding such cases.

Honestly, I swear, if I was working in one of those highly secretive and obscure military projects involving ETs, I would try as hard as I could to gather some evidence, even if it's one picture or one document, for my own protection, just to give me some leverage in case they eventually decided to terminate me.

I know that these environments are highly controlled, which makes it very hard to gather some evidence unnoticed, but it's always possible. Some of these guys are trained on espionage techniques, and, anyway, there are always flaws to be explored in any system, mostly human flaws. There's no perfect security system when there are humans involved.

However, I recognize that military people tend to obey orders without giving them any more thought, but at least some of them would follow my above reasoning.

Given the fact that we have had quite a few "whistle-blowers" along the years that allegedly participated in such operations, some of them, if genuine, must have some evidence. Maybe that's even the reason for some of them to still be alive.

However, as we know, some people have higher moral standards, and would really risk their own lives to get such important information, if indeed real, to the public. Bradley Manning is a recent example, among many others.

So, where are those people with evidence? I mean, there were so many alleged "whistle-blowers" in this field along the years...We should really have had access to some evidence by now, specially noways, when we have fairly good anonymous methods to release such evidence to the public.

Sure, I don't doubt for a second that there are military bases studying the ET issue. Some of them may indeed have a few crashed crafts. Maybe some of them may even have a kidnapped alive specimen within their facilities. Maybe some have established contact with a couple of races indeed...

However, this thing of lots of different ETs working together in those bases, and augmentations, and interracial wars in the middle of the ocean, and super soldiers, and portals, and teleportation and intergalactic "cold wars"...That would be too much trouble to keep it all a secret, if that was true. Specially considering that according to a lot of those "sources" these operations are not contained just within the US government, but lots of other countries and governments are also involved.

Those of you who have worked in companies where privacy is a serious business know how hard it is to keep information contained inside a regular office. Now, just multiply the scope of the seriousness of such information by a thousand, and spread it through tens of different offices within different countries with different corruption levels and security technology standards...It would be impossible to contain it. It would leak, like secret military and governmental information leak all the time, and with evidence.

Sorry, but as far as we know and as far as evidence goes, we can be sure that we've been visited by ETs, due to the overwhelming amount of unquestionable multiple witnesses, pictures and videos...Aside from that, we don't know much else.

I'll never simply believe all this apparently fantastic things just because someone said so...I've seen a lot of alleged super-soldier videos and interviews, but none of them had demonstrated their super powers on camera, which should be fairly easy to do...I've seen lots of videos of people who allegedly know the location of some "portals", but none of them actually showed the exact location of them...I've seen lots of videos of people claiming lots of things, but none of them were able to tell their stories without falling into several contradictions or at least reasonably substantiating them, even if only by not making any holes in it...And most of them were proven wrong after a while, anyway.

The very few serious and truly professional alternative media interviewers out there, like Bill, are seemingly retired...The active alternative media interviewers are not really that bright, apparently unable to conduct their investigations and interviews without contaminating them with their own agendas and personal convictions...

So, that's it...There are those sorts of videos and those sorts of stories and interviews...Probably, twenty years from now, there will still be this sort of things and people will still be discussing them on forums like this on the internet. Those alleged "whistle-blowers" come and go like flies...As soon as people get tired of one of them, there's another one, and another one, and so on...

There should be evidence by now, a substantial amount of it, in fact, if all those many fantastic claims were at least close to the truth. Personally, I'll never believe something just because someone said so; It goes against my principles.

As far as I understand, the current alternative media people are not even close to be looking for the truth. They are just on their personal journeys to confirm their own versions of the truth and their own beliefs, just making it public instead of keeping it private...This isn't, even by far, proper investigative journalism and will just keep them running around in circles indefinitely. Call it what you want, but not journalism, and whatever comes out of it, is not information but just imaginative speculation.

Just my two cents.

Raf.

[Delight]

...
Another important thing that should be noted, is that Kerry is not, even by far, an ideal impartial interviewer. She's always sharing her views with her interviewees, when she's not trying to push her views to them altogether.

The Ison issue is crucial here. I bet the man never heard about Ison before Kerry asked him about it. His answer is, of course, predictable; He didn't have the time to fabricate anything about it, he never heard about it before, so he told her he would try find information about it and get in touch with her later...


Exactly.

Something else which no-one appears to have noticed is that this IS NOT an interview you are watching, it's the interviewer's recall of the interview.

And another thing - If the PTB wanted to silence him, why go to the expense of keeping him in prison ? Far easier to do what they normally do.

This isn't anything to do with left-brained versus right-brained people (divide and conquer), nor is it to do with the existence or non-existence of alien races. It's to do with gullibility, susceptibility and the willingness of people to accept almost anything without question. We should question EVERYTHING, be it from the MSM, our parents our friends, our egos, inept interviewers or "whistleblowers".

Maybe we should all dedicate some time everyday to going inside and "interviewing" our true selves.

Love your post. I'll take your advice very gratefully!!

[Delight]

The differences I perceive on this thread are not so much of the right/left brain kind as those that occur between experiencers and non-experiencers. This is the big gap that Avalon is seeking to bridge – the forum has many of both, involving all kinds of experience, and we are probably all both experiencers of this and non-experiencers of that. I posted something the other day suggesting that this has to be dealt with (see below). Whatever this phrase is supposed to mean, it surely includes the following. We are on the path to oneness, and our sundry discussions are that path. All I can suggest is that we suspend disbelief, suspend judgment, and instead of agreeing to disagree, to look forward to the day when we understand that we are all in agreement, about whatever turns out to be. The principle of a journey is that you are not where you were, even a moment ago, and the end point is anything but where you are now.



Hi Milneman, and thanks for joining in. I myself am not an experiencer but here is the sort of approach one can have to those who are. First get to know and become friends with them as you might with anyone else. Then, when they tell you something out of the ordinary and you know they are of sound mind and not joking, you can either just deal with it, or you can turn your back on a friend. It’s a simple choice, and one thing that distinguishes Avalonians from a lot of other people is that they are much more likely to choose the honourable path.

I very much thank you for your words, araucaria, which are a percised recognition of the conditions of the terrain we are required to play. And your subtle suggestion on how to bridge it.

This is absolutely wonderful to know you will absolutely experience a terrain where you will find agreement as you want it's presence. You all at the same time are creator of experience.

Plucking this one statement out of context


"All I can suggest is that we suspend disbelief, suspend judgment, and instead of agreeing to disagree, to look forward to the day when we understand that we are all in agreement, about whatever turns out to be. The principle of a journey is that you are not where you were, even a moment ago, and the end point is anything but where you are now."

The end point can change and if we are looking at the multiverse as non-linear, we may just BE wherever we choose at any moment IF we have this belief.
My commitment is to the power of wielding our mundane BELIEF to work like a laser and seek that place choosen to BE.

I 100% support the vision that sees all able to manifest consciously what is preferred.

It is the appropriate USE of discernment of what is DESIRED? our own chosen masters the day. This is already true because of the laws that we use.

There are piles of evidence that we are being asked to suspend disbelief in the face of the psychological operations like Sandy Hook. Then we have been asked to believe ONE accepted version and stop questioning. This trains all our minds to either agree or suspend our disbelief and be quiet. Our own minds get used in the agenda.

I think there is the same activity from the alternate spin of the same concept about humanity and life and the possibilities we were meant to achieve. To who's advantage is it that we believe the information Kerry presented. To what AIM will this lead?

These are personal questions because in the ONE we are meant to achieve the impossible of a unique experienece all together and all in harmony IMO. That is why I will not suspend my disbelief, or my judgement of the information's use to me. Agreement to disagree is actually exactly what I will say to any front that has nothing for me.

This is about fulfilling the ability of the human in this play pen to be the ones who make it the chosen heaven on earth.

I want to choose mine.
You will have the choice of yours unless you accept the ones chosen for you.

The funny thing about heaven in matter is that for a bird it is air, for a fish it is water, for an earth worm it is the earthy loam, for a sprite it is fire, for whom is the aether heaven?(is it our interdimensionals). And for HUMAN? These are real questions for me and I am taking mariposes advice to interview myself.

Then I will say YES and I will say NO to what is presented. Not all ideas are useful. Some ideas are Divine.

[OnyxKnight]

@Rmorgan - As far as the evidence trail goes, I believe Gary McKinnon (who is also facing jail time) is worth adding him on that pile of more credible cases.

I agree with the rest of your post.

[One]

[QUOTE=waves;755448]
Another important thing that should be noted, is that Kerry is not, even by far, an ideal impartial interviewer. She's always sharing her views with her interviewees, when she's not trying to push her views to them altogether.

The Ison issue is crucial here. I bet the man never heard about Ison before Kerry asked him about it. His answer is, of course, predictable; He didn't have the time to fabricate anything about it, he never heard about it before, so he told her he would try find information about it and get in touch with her later...

Anyway, let alone the fact the the whole interview is absolutely and clearly polluted and mixed up with Kerry's own views and opinions...It's hard to discern when she's speaking her own mind from when she's simply reproducing what the man said.

Raf.
This is exactly what I was thinking as I was listening (and I see others have the same concerns as well as Raf).

Kerry always seems to want to validate her own information. I wish interviewers would just give people the mike (where possible) and tell them to get on with it. I think it is much easier to expand on somebody else's views than to build a completely credible story on your own. Such interviews reduce the credibility of any genuine story imo.

I suppose you could make one or two things up and then throw that at the interviewe. See where it goes ;).

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

If he was truly a whistleblower, knew the absolute truth and was a liability in that respect, then I find it difficult to believe that Kerry would've had access to him. In fact, being a real threat to TPTB it is more likely he would've been 'removed' from the equation entirely, and not merely incarcerated. It is also unusual, given the fact that he has been locked up all this time, that his information is so current. The only way that could happen is if 'someone' has kept him informed - spoon fed him bits of information over time. And taking into account that he is a liability, it is highly likely that the information he has received is false, or at least a mixture of truth and falsehood to make any story he reveals to journalists like Kerry, seem like reality.

Thus I think a lot of this is disinformation. Some truth yes. Perhaps the overall picture Kerry paints is more or less right, but many of the details are not. I say this not just because of the logic of the above argument, but much of this just does not align with my own personal knowledge and beliefs. Some of it feels definitely right, some does not, which is why I think this interview was a deliberate disinfo-bomb (even if the Capt. Richards was unaware of it).

[blufire]

Thank you for your above post RMorgan and I include my voice with OnyxKnight’s in agreement

Personally the last 3 years I have been, for all reason and purpose, secluded deep in the mountains. Almost immediately after leaving the insanity of the ‘rat race’ the noise and confusion began peeling away and clarity began to take its place.

This new found clarity also includes the elimination of the ‘noise and chaos’ of the alternative world and media.

Thread after thread, video after video, whistle blower after whistle blower, we hear the same stories or version only altered by that persons opinion or direct experience and then all other evidence or projection to the future drops off into a deep chasm . . . .all that is left is confusion, fear and chaos or worst of all apathy as to what path to take moving forward with resolve and direction.

Since the ‘noise and confusion’ of the worldly rat race and alternative media peeled away and this clarity has began to manifest I find myself in an even more precarious place, because what is clear to me now is so different than what the alternative world believes and is expounding upon that I find myself alone in what I see so clearly.

So I have never fit in with the world in general and I clearly no longer have a place in the alternative world either.

Even though I may be alone, I am not lonely, but I feel great sadness and empathy. I guess I will try to keep explaining or sharing what I see and Know, but mostly I just much rather not even try any longer.

[Hervé]

Hey folks,

As for the problem of evidence regarding such cases.

[...]

However, as we know, some people have higher moral standards, and would really risk their own lives to get such important information, if indeed real, to the public. Bradley Manning is a recent example, among many others.

[...]

Raf.

Phil Schneider (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook33f.htm) used to bring and dispaly material, physical evidences when still able to tour around...

[SilentFeathers]

Thank you for your above post RMorgan and I include my voice with OnyxKnight’s in agreement

Personally the last 3 years I have been, for all reason and purpose, secluded deep in the mountains. Almost immediately after leaving the insanity of the ‘rat race’ the noise and confusion began peeling away and clarity began to take its place.

This new found clarity also includes the elimination of the ‘noise and chaos’ of the alternative world and media.

Thread after thread, video after video, whistle blower after whistle blower, we hear the same stories or version only altered by that persons opinion or direct experience and then all other evidence or projection to the future drops off into a deep chasm . . . .all that is left is confusion, fear and chaos or worst of all apathy as to what path to take moving forward with resolve and direction.

Since the ‘noise and confusion’ of the worldly rat race and alternative media peeled away and this clarity has began to manifest I find myself in an even more precarious place, because what is clear to me now is so different than what the alternative world believes and is expounding upon that I find myself alone in what I see so clearly.

So I have never fit in with the world in general and I clearly no longer have a place in the alternative world either.

Even though I may be alone, I am not lonely, but I feel great sadness and empathy. I guess I will try to keep explaining or sharing what I see and Know, but mostly I just much rather not even try any longer.

The spirit of the mountains have done the same for me, I am much more centered and grounded here and clarity is easier obtained. The lies and deception seem a lot more clear and ridiculous now living in a more static free environment. I.m in the smokies (blue smoke mountains), but strangley the smoke is not so thick here :)

[Delight]

In response to Blufire, it is true that human's who start tuning in to something outside the collective agreements "go it alone" in terms of the race.
This has been the truth that metaphysicians speak. There is an underlying structure that manages appearances of the Material. We are always creating the appearance with our own beliefs and our Faith in these.

It is using more elegant principles in the mundane from a larger context that makes us masters of limitation (as Bashar says it)

In the 1900's many voices were heard that brought some very valuable pointers to how to have a life and really enjoy it.

One is Florence Scovel Schinn who wrote a book. The Game of life and How to play It. Media does help us when we resonate to its message in Joy as it reiterates what we know we feel Faith in.

The World of the Wondrous is God in manifestation of Thy Glory. I think Blufire is right on about trying to share except for one reason...what we give out as our truth helps consolidate it for us.

http://www.psicounsel.com/thegameoflife.pdf

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[OnyxKnight]

Phil Schneider (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook33f.htm) used to bring and dispaly material, physical evidences when still able to tour around...

Through contact with a couple of people (one of them being here on Avalon too), it turns out Phil might have been a bit more of a storyteller rather than a truthteller. In other words, that a lot of his testimony was false.

I'm not 100% convinced, but it did get me thinking. In terms of, how credible is a person? If he shows "evidence", and then turns out that he was a fraud (not implying on Phil, just in general sense), or somebody who have provided zero evidence, but everything said by him A to Z not only resonates but fills the gaps between whatever information is out there?

And one of the things that stands as fact is that a lot of the information out there has big holes in it that rarely anyone turns up that provides something else to fill them in.

[Robin]

Well spoken everybody. I think it may benefit us to examine the idea of "evidence." I think another thread talked about this, but I'll explain a bit what evidence means to science:

When it comes to evidence, science seeks concrete evidence. Charles Darwin, for instance, supported his theory of evolution by natural selection by working with finches and showing their beak structures.

When conducting a study, scientists analyze data and test a Confidence Interval. If hard sciences such as chemistry, physics, and biology come up with a significance level of less than 5% (by doing complex data analyses), then they can reject the null hypothesis that there is no significance in their data.

Having a value below 5% means that the researcher is 95% confident that their data holds to their parameter of being valid.

This means that they can accept, with confidence, that there is significance in their alternative hypothesis (for instance: Darwin can accept that evolution does work by natural selection).

If concrete evidence is not available to support a theory, such as the case of ET intervention, scientists must rely on other methods to gain confidence to support or reject their theories. Psychology, for example, is a "soft science." Psychology researchers cannot come up with concrete evidence most of the time as they deal with opinions, preferences, and biases.

That being said, psychologists are credited with research validity by making it more difficult for them to gain Confidence Intervals. If they are to acquire confidence in their ability to reject or accept their hypothesis, they must come up with a significance level less than 1%.

This means that it is much more difficult for them to come up with significant data than hard science. Rightfully so as they deal with the opinions of people. An example of this would be analyzing data of people who answer the question: Do you believe UFOs exist and are operated by beings off planet?

My point here is that science draws a heavy line in giving significance to data. Psychologists publish studies all the time when they gather data by going off of what somebody claims to say. Nothing more.

So, according to the ethics of science, I could conduct the following study:

Find people from all over the world who claim that they have been visited by a Reptilian ET race.
The people are different ages, from different nations, and have differing beliefs.
They all do not know one another and do not have access to television or the internet.
Gather data by asking them certain questions without giving anything away.
Avoid biased questions, and instead allow them to tell you what they saw (i.e. I saw a Reptilian) and do not record biased opinions (i.e. they claim that it was benevolent).

As far as science goes, this is a valid study. If I were to get a significant result (either rejecting or accepting my hypothesis), then I could publish this study in an reputable journal.

To me, this kind of information is already present. Hundreds of people from all over the world--who do not have regular access to television and the internet thereby are not biased--have made similar claims to what we talk about on this forum. As far as research in psychology goes, which cannot gain hard evidence most of the time, this type of data is totally valid.

We must draw a line somewhere as human beings if we are to analyze the claims people make. That is why I give people the benefit of the doubt.

As a researcher, the burden of truth and evidence lies on the hands of the debunkers.

[JohnJ]

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Another important thing that should be noted, is that Kerry is not, even by far, an ideal impartial interviewer. She's always sharing her views with her interviewees, when she's not trying to push her views to them altogether.

The Ison issue is crucial here. I bet the man never heard about Ison before Kerry asked him about it. His answer is, of course, predictable; He didn't have the time to fabricate anything about it, he never heard about it before, so he told her he would try find information about it and get in touch with her later...

Anyway, let alone the fact the the whole interview is absolutely and clearly polluted and mixed up with Kerry's own views and opinions...It's hard to discern when she's speaking her own mind from when she's simply reproducing what the man said.

Raf.
This is exactly what I was thinking as I was listening (and I see others have the same concerns as well as Raf).

Kerry always seems to want to validate her own information. I wish interviewers would just give people the mike (where possible) and tell them to get on with it. I think it is much easier to expand on somebody else's views than to build a completely credible story on your own. Such interviews reduce the credibility of any genuine story imo.

I suppose you could make one or two things up and then throw that at the interviewe. See where it goes ;).

Have any of you done the experiment in a class where some one is told a story and that one person tells another. Then that person tells another, and on and on. By even the first generation the story is at times not even close to the first telling of the story.
With that being said, Kerry has her own very strong beliefs. Like some have mentioned, Kerry has even corrected or plain told interviewees that they were wrong. I strongly suggest what she attempted to capture on video is highly suspect.
Please do not misunderstand, I believe she went to the prison and had a visit with the man. I am sure some of what she said was 100% accurate but any second had info just cant be taken too seriously.

I must say that I do enjoy Kerry's interviews very much, just not this kind.

[RMorgan]

As a researcher, the burden of truth and evidence lies on the hands of the debunkers.


I agree with everything you say, besides this part.

Honestly, I don't see how you jumped to this conclusion.

A lot of claims in the alternative media could and should be proved by the person who's making the claim. e.g; If someone claims to be a super soldier, stop talking and do something super for everyone to see.

If someone tells a wild story, like it happens all the time in the alternative media, and wants people to believe him, he's the one who's got to substantiate his story.

Anyway, ideally, it's up to the interviewer to point flaws in a story and to ask basic questions like who, when, how and why...As we know, it rarely happens, so we're left with incomplete, unclear, unsubstantiated and unverified information, with little potential validity as far as quality of information goes.

Now, it's up to each one of us to decide what to do with this information. If there's no way to confirm it, it goes straight to the realm of beliefs, which doesn't give it any more validity, of course.

Personally, if someone wants me to believe that there's an "alien cold war" going on, with portals, teleportation, super soldiers, hundreds of races involved, cyborgs, clones and everything else included, I can't really see how it's up to me to prove he's lying. As far as I can see, if he can't substantiate his story himself, then it's just a story and as valid as information as a story can possibly be.

[Robin]

Sorry, but as far as we know and as far as evidence goes, we can be sure that we've been visited by ETs, due to the overwhelming amount of unquestionable multiple witnesses, pictures and videos...Aside from that, we don't know much else.

Your point of view is very valid. Richard Dolan's work with UFOs is unparalleled when it comes to researching Ufology. He has made very similar arguments in his interviews.

I have not read his works so please correct me if I am wrong. If I'm not mistaken, much of the data he collects is strictly testimonial, in that people tell what they have seen. They do not have concrete evidence.

I think that there is overwhelming evidence to support the existence of Reptilians, going by the standards of Richard Dolan, as there is for UFOs. I think that Richard avoids talking about his personal views on other subjects, such as Reptilians, because he knows that his work will be ridiculed. People can handle only so much information, and I think that sticking with testimonials about UFOs is what we are currently limited to when doing publishable material.

But I think that if Richard Dolan were to apply the same methods and mentality to other areas, such as people who witness the existence of Reptilians, we would have the same overwhelming amount of evidence, by his standards. I think that Richard would be able to make the same claim that "there is overwhelming evidence that I can say that UFOs do exists, ETs have been visiting Earth, and Reptilian ETs do exist."

[RMorgan]

Sorry, but as far as we know and as far as evidence goes, we can be sure that we've been visited by ETs, due to the overwhelming amount of unquestionable multiple witnesses, pictures and videos...Aside from that, we don't know much else.

Your point of view is very valid. Richard Dolan's work with UFOs is unparalleled when it comes to researching Ufology. He has made very similar arguments in his interviews.

I have not read his works so please correct me if I am wrong. If I'm not mistaken, much of the data he collects is strictly testimonial, in that people tell what they have seen. They do not have concrete evidence.


Yes, of course.

Multiple independent eye witnesses are as valid in any field just as they're valid in any court of law as evidence.

As a silly example, I've never being to China, but many people who don't even know each other, from several parts of the world, have, and they all describe the same thing. So, this leads me to believe with the greatest deal of certainty as possible that China exists. This is an example of testimonial evidence.

Of course, there are also videos and photographs of China. There are even Chinese people and they're everywhere. I've got a lot of Made in China stuff as well. These are examples of concrete evidence.

So, I have enough testimonial and concrete evidence to be 100% certain that China is real, even if I haven't been there personally.

The same goes for UFOs and Alien contact. Many people, of different ages, different nationalities, different religions and different social classes , who don't know each other, have witnessed and experienced the phenomena, and generally their testimonies match each other with a fair deal of accuracy. This leads us to believe with a great deal of certainty that the phenomena is real, though we're still left with many how and why questions.

So, we could say that the UFO/Alien phenomena exists. We have plenty of testimonial evidence. Aside from that, we're left only with speculation, until other kinds of evidence are presented enabling us to elucidate the phenomena further; For that, we now need the concrete evidence.

Raf.

[gripreaper]

Personally, if someone wants me to believe that there's an "alien cold war" going on, with portals, teleportation, super soldiers, hundreds of races involved, cyborgs, clones and everything else included, I can't really see how it's up to me to prove he's lying. As far as I can see, if he can't substantiate his story himself, then it's just a story and as valid as information as story can possibly be.

I know it has been discussed before, how the media manipulates truths to obfuscate them and create divisiveness and confusion, which in turn, causes the mind to shut down and turn to something else. Works every time. So, I'm going to have a little fun with it this morning. Here's a story:

I have it on multiple insider sources (love that one) but I cant tell you who they are, that this coming November 13th and 14th (tie it to a specific date) a huge planet asteroid dark star comet (use many descriptors) is going to come racing by earth and knock out the power grid (instill some survival fear), and all of us are going to be in the dark and driven back to the stone age when Grid-Ex 2 happens (give it an important name and title). Now, you only have three days to prepare, so go get candles and plenty of water and of course, tell all your friends and post this message on Facebook, Twitter, Linked-in, blogs, forums, and message boards in the alternative news community, and please HURRY!(discredit the alternative news community with your conspiracy rants)

Here COBRA states: (provide links)(then triangulate your sources)

There are rumors on the internet about the Event happening either on November 11th (based on Fulford's CIA source falsely stating the GridEx 2 exercise happening on that date) or November 13/14th (when GridEx 2 will truly happen). The Resistance has communicated that the Event will NOT be triggered on those dates and that GridEx 2 will NOT shut down the electric grid. You might want to read more about GridEx 2 exercise here:

http://etheric.com/electric-grid-blackout-planned-november-13th-14th-2013/

The final victory of the Light is near. On November 11th, a certain operation of the Light forces will commence and it might soon(might soon?) bring tangible results. Also, on November 13th there will be a heliocentric T-square between Jupiter, Uranus and Pluto. That astrological configuration will bring a tremendous release of tension which will be felt throughout the whole solar system. It is also true that vast changes are taking place within Pentagon that will soon (use the word "soon" as often as you can)inevitably lead to great increase of power of the Positive Military. And finally, I really liked this comment by David Wilcock on Fulford's blog: (highlight the important text from links in bold or italicize them for emphasis)


To clarify, a “surprise” is going to happen. We will not expect it. They are saying it will permanently change everyone’s lives in the Western world. Putin and the alliance is on the ascent. This is big, big, big stuff. The new economic system has already been worked out and there will be an across-the-board currency re-valuation. Even though the dollar will be worth less once this happens, the overall effect will be positive.

http://2012portal.blogspot.com/2013/11/visions-of-compression-breakthrough.html#comment-form

OK, so far I have COBRA, Fulford and David Wilcock as my sources, plus all the hidden sources I cant tell you about, and what do I need to make this story plausible where you will buy it? Throw in a little mysticism to back it up.

Saturday evening, the almost Full Moon rises, bringing forward many of the major issues experienced during Mercury retrograde, to be dealt with and resolved. The Full Moon emphasizes the Taurus/Scorpio elements, which corresponds to inner and outer wealth. The events that hit your shore Saturday evening are pushing you to address the alignment of values. The key issues bring a strong focus and requirement to balance the inner and outer values. Saturday evening sets the stage for Sunday’s Full Moon, shifting situations around to kick important events into gear, preparing you for a very powerful week, filled with information, events and opportunities.

Mercury reaches 2 Scorpio – October 1
Mercury turns retrograde 18 Scorpio – October 21
Mercury turns direct 2 Scorpio – November 10
Mercury reaches 18 Scorpio – November 27

The November time frame holds the key reason and purpose for the revisions from this Mercury Retrograde. Many events and situations have shifted everyone around; changing jobs, homes, family, and other major events that have been very real. The upcoming Solar Eclipse on November 3rd followed by Mercury turning direct on November 10th opens the door to understand the reasons and purpose behind the shifting events.

http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/

So, in conclusion, if you act now and buy my DVD, I've laid out the whole scenario for the "Event" and how the collapse will unfold, and when to expect major changes, and how to prepare and what to do in "TWELVE EASY STEPS" (it helps to make it easy and use steps)

You only have three days left, so you must act now! :)

Makes ya kind of wax nostalgic for the good old days when the Drake thread was getting 200 post a day, doesn't it?

[edit] Now, I could lead you to the Neil Keenan, Karen Hudes fiasco to distract you, but hey, that's already being done on other threads, and besides, you haven't bought my DVD yet!

[SilentFeathers]

There's a huge brainwashing psyops/conditioning going on, it's almost impossible to distinguish between the lies and what may be true.....for around 50 years it's been like a disease to the human psyche.......no one knows what the hell is going on but a very select few, this is the shadow/darkside intention and projection, Mass confusion....Speculation/confusion are the theme of the day as more signs come to the front (new alien theories from the ancient texts and sites, ancient aliens and other tv shows, whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork left and right, more and more ufo sightings) etc etc etc.

Everyone is looking for answers, the smoke is so thick people are choking.....soon the answers everyone is seeking will be revealed by governments and probably the Vatican too, blunt and forward answers from the authorities most look to for answers, and all the confusion will somewhat fade as most zombies believe even a bigger deception laid out for them by their officials/authorities.

What is going on is way bigger than most can comprehend or could believe possible, a brainwashing on a global scale done by a few humans (control freaks) IMO....very possibly influenced by some sort of alien blueprint or involvement as some say, but not even close to how they are saying it.

[ghostrider]

With different stories of the same thing staking up over and over , it's up to the man in the mirror to decide for themself , is this true or dis-info ... is this shinning a light or muddy water , one must make up their own mind , follow where it leads them ... Kerry does her work , now it's out there , you decide ... we need to stay unified at all cost ...

[OnyxKnight]

Well spoken everybody. I think it may benefit us to examine the idea of "evidence." I think another thread talked about this, but I'll explain a bit what evidence means to science:

When it comes to evidence, science seeks concrete evidence. Charles Darwin, for instance, supported his theory of evolution by natural selection by working with finches and showing their beak structures.

When conducting a study, scientists analyze data and test a Confidence Interval. If hard sciences such as chemistry, physics, and biology come up with a significance level of less than 5% (by doing complex data analyses), then they can reject the null hypothesis that there is no significance in their data.

Having a value below 5% means that the researcher is 95% confident that their data holds to their parameter of being valid.


There is a lot of evidence in the Ancient Astronaut theory, but not many would accept it.


But, let's even put that aside. I don't know exactly how things work in SETI (if anyone knows, please correct me if I''m mistaken), but they need hard confirmation of the data they analyze in order to publish the findings/results. I believe they use a model of two to three positives?

This is why many of the previously rushed up published findings are later dubbed "false positives", as in they had only one or two strong signals and they didn't had the definite one.

Despite this, there have been a very high number of signals over the years. Starting with the "Wow!" signal, then there was one from Praesepe / The Beehive Cluster in Cancer constellation, then three consecutive signals caught in the direction of space between Pisces and Aries, and another one, which was much more interesting, since it was 'optical', coming from the direction of another star cluster called 47 Tucanae.

Neither of which have been confirmed (even though one of them had been detected three times). What does this say about it? Maybe that scientists are afraid of confirming something for good? That later might turn out to be false? Isn't it in every scientists mentality to be happy and satisfied whether or not they had their hypothesis proven or disproven? It smells like bias to me.


We're lucky that we had that many signals to begin with. Any sufficiently advanced civilization would hide, bump, or dampen any signals coming from other places between certain civilizations of they don't want one to find out about the other. Somewhat like a Big Brother in space. It would stand to logic as well, if you have a vested interest in either party that transmits signals, you wouldn't want for them to meet up one day if they are like, say, butterflies, flowers, antfarm, beehive, spiderweb and a nest of anteaters. Its a dangerous combination. Like mixing volatile substances chemically.


Do you follow my analogy? (no, we are not the butterflies, nor the flowers lol)


Even if it is not dangerous for the obvious reasons, and say, imagine if all those mentioned above decided to work together as a type of confederation/federation? Big Space Brother will have to pack things up and catch the fastest superluminal bus outta this neighborhood. Again dangerous, but for them.



This would explain why we do see a lot of UFO activity, but hardly any signals from space, and somewhat also explain Drake's equation & the Fermi Paradox (for those who like to entertain them). We don't receive them because somebody up there decided we should remain isolated, either from potential threats from other places, or if we are a threat to somebody else out there and is part of this so called "Quarantine", or they don't want the potential space sheriffs to find them out what they are doing here with us.


There could be many reasons for it, but isolating planets with intelligent life from communicating with each other is in a way logical, and make sense when you crunch numbers and look at the basic facts.


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Before I get quoted on the subject of star clusters, age, and unlikeliness that intelligent life would arise there, there is this thing called 'cluster contamination'. Controversial so far subject, but rich in actual scientific analysis.

Basically, it posits that star clusters, like any gravity bearing body, travel in space, and eventually collide (just like on a macro scale, different galaxies collide to form uniform ones, like we are expected to collide with the Andromeda galaxy). In this collision, new star clusters are formed, mixed with different stars. So you have different ages, metallicities, radioactive properties etc.

The Hyades and Pleiades are one of the more analyzed ones. Both suffer from such "cluster contamination". The Pleiades long ago merged with a much, much older star cluster, though smaller one it seems, and the same goes for the Hyades, as both possess also member of differing ages, despite other differences (the Hyades is also believed to have originated from the same stellar birthplace as the Beehive cluster mentioned earlier, and along with the signal received from there, many visitors claim to reside on planets situated in the Hyades or Pleiades). The oldest member of the Hyades is some 6 billion years old, and in the Pleiades there's a star that's 8.8 billion years old (while the majority of the stars in both clusters have age of less than a billion years). Its possible that life can arise on planets around these stars if the star is one of the older members.

Another thing in favor of space-faring aliens arising on star cluster planets is the relative closeness of all the stars. The inner area has stars separated by a mere light year or two. More tighter star clusters have the stars separated in astronomical units, forming various quintuple, sextuble, septuble systems that are still stable because of the relative condition the cluster is found in and its gravity center, keeping stars from flying around like pinball game. This would ease space exploration, and colonization, as well as mining (if there are not enough resources on one planet). Therefore such an alien species would have an advantage over others, emerging on normal planets around normal stars.

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I apologize for the brief rant, but since we follow science, and trails of evidence, thought this might be a welcomed additional commentary to everything else discussed, or to be discussed.

[blufire]

I now only look for the constants in the massive volumes of information that is being spewed everywhere and in every form of media.

I now only keep the information locked away in my squirrelly little mind if that ‘constant’ can be applied to every ‘player’ within the global structure and over a very extended amount of time (as in years of time). Further I only keep the constant if it can be brought down to the most basic of meaning . . . an occam’s razor sort of meaning.

I try very hard not to view or process the information (constant) through my emotion or previous conception or beliefs, in other words, I stay as balanced as possible.

Lastly I compare closely the ‘constant of information’ with what I am now remembering.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63899-The-New-World-and-Civilization--the-messages-from-my-Contact-as-a-child-

The clarity I have now is almost overwhelming at times and many aspects of this clarity, I on a personal level, do not like in any way . . . . but Truth is Truth and cannot only be believed if the Truth is palatable or savory or if it fits a personal agenda.

[gittarpikk]

Following on from Gripreaper post 26

So here were are all excited by the story of a guy who cant get himself out of prison.


You raise you spiritual vibration and see what happens.


Chris
Ok , I'll throw another thought in here..

As far as we know.... he is a resident of prison...this >could< be his publicly known (and remember very little visibility or documentation) addy. For some reason he does not seem to be very unconnected due being kept away from civilization. This IMO could simply be a front for his very limited public(well very few even counting his wife) interaction....for all we know he could be spending a lot of time on Mars, in an undersea base...underground at Dulce still...or any number of interconnected (we already know about the high speed tunnels connecting the world)

It could be this is a deliberate form either of slow disclosure or I'll even go as far as possible disinformation....however it resonated more toward disclosure for me than disinformation.

[gittarpikk]

[QUOTE=Limor;755723][QUOTE=araucaria;755702]
The funny thing about heaven in matter is that for a bird it is air, for a fish it is water, for an earth worm it is the earthy loam, for a sprite it is fire, for whom is the aether heaven?(is it our interdimensionals). And for HUMAN?

......its 'outta' here!

[mosquito]

So, I'm going to have a little fun with it this morning. Here's a story:

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Classic !!!!!

[Bill Ryan]

So, I'm going to have a little fun with it this morning. Here's a story:

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I'd like to nominate this post of gripreaper's for some kind of prize. :)

Better still (in theory!), he should start his own satirical website. The problem would be that tens of thousands would take it utterly seriously.

[araucaria]

"go get some candles" is rather tame; this should read, "run for the hills and bury a camper".

[greybeard]

Following on from Gripreaper post 26

So here were are all excited by the story of a guy who cant get himself out of prison.


You raise you spiritual vibration and see what happens.


Chris
Ok , I'll throw another thought in here..

As far as we know.... he is a resident of prison...this >could< be his publicly known (and remember very little visibility or documentation) addy. For some reason he does not seem to be very unconnected due being kept away from civilization. This IMO could simply be a front for his very limited public(well very few even counting his wife) interaction....for all we know he could be spending a lot of time on Mars, in an undersea base...underground at Dulce still...or any number of interconnected (we already know about the high speed tunnels connecting the world)

It could be this is a deliberate form either of slow disclosure or I'll even go as far as possible disinformation....however it resonated more toward disclosure for me than disinformation.

Respectfully --We don't personally know about the things you have mentioned, its very second hand even third hand news.
Once upon a time I was very naïve and believed everything I read---so science fiction and exciting--I grew up on a diet of Jules Verne.
In al the years of being on Avalon I have not heard one member actually say that they have personally seen any of it.
Videos I have scrutinised--entered into discussion---I am none the wiser as to what is true and what is false.

Chris

[SilentFeathers]

So, I'm going to have a little fun with it this morning. Here's a story:

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I'd like to nominate this post of gripreaper's for some kind of prize. :)

Better still (in theory!), he should start his own satirical website. The problem would be that tens of thousands would take it utterly seriously.

On the battlefield of information, ideals, and imagination, the "mind field" often becomes a place to escape too, a "safe haven" and a place of freedom for many, when if fact it is really a trap to ensnare and capture. :)

[grapevine]

There's a huge brainwashing psyops/conditioning going on, it's almost impossible to distinguish between the lies and what may be true.....for around 50 years it's been like a disease to the human psyche.......no one knows what the hell is going but a very select few, this is the shadow/darkside intention and projection, Mass confusion....Speculation/confusion are the theme of the day as more signs come to the front (new alien theories from the ancient texts and sites, ancient aliens and other tv shows, whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork left and right, more and more ufo sightings) etc etc etc.


Agree 100%, but not to discuss and speculate everything is isolating - some opinions here would never have crossed my mind and yet they are so valid - so we must continue to theorise and add to the confusion. Let's not forget Yuri Bezmenov's informative videos, an excerpt of which is given below:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVkkLDAm8I4

I still don't know what the hell is going on. The only thing I'm sure of is that there IS something going on and unfortunately it all appears to be negative.

[Delight]

There's a huge brainwashing psyops/conditioning going on, it's almost impossible to distinguish between the lies and what may be true.....for around 50 years it's been like a disease to the human psyche......

Agree 100%, but not to discuss and speculate everything is isolating - some opinions here would never have crossed my mind and yet they are so valid - so we must continue to theorise and add to the confusion. Let's not forget Yuri Bezmenov's informative videos, an excerpt of which is given below:


The video you posted has lots more to it on youtube. Last year I watched them and marveled. I grew up in the US with a particularly "anti-communist" family. One of the worst shouting arguments was when I was around 13 and was insistent that there was no difference between the US gov and the Soviet except in details. Look to the core principles and look at the results and that shows a great deal of "real".

The skill of psychological operators who can twist people around has an antidote. It has to have IMO by law. Practicing the antidote feels very uplifting.... That is at least my take and the way I know I am practicing my boundary conditions of counter mental subversion.

I do believe in the HUMAN Mind+Heart POWER.

The Sandy Hook presentation (and the others dating WAY back) completely set off most of our BS alarms and the video that started the thread also did that for me.
What are we going to do about all of the psychological manipulation? LIVE AS HUMANS! I say if someone comes to get me, give me the strength to go out fighting.

I write, look to how we can ue information to help us, take care of my animals and meet with friends and build my self confidence. It came to me again this morning that HUMANS are the most powerful beings ever created and should respect and investigate, celebrate and insinuate the message. WE ARE THAT POWERFUL.

Maybe I too in my own way am taken in by some weird psyop?
I appreciate SOME ideas that people like Mark Passio call "JUST" new age.
Maybe I'll die on the 13th but I'll die happy to be me.

Check this out if you have not heard it.....


November 8, 2013
Mark Passio is an independent researcher, public speaker, radio talk show host, conference organizer and freedom activist from Philadelphia, PA. Mark has undertaken the task of assembling vast amounts of research in the areas of metaphysics, occultism, spirituality, symbology and consciousness studies. In the first hour, Mark discusses an integral approach to truth gathering that utilizes both hemispheres of the brain.

http://rediceradio.net/radio/2013/RIR-131108-markpassio-hr1.mp3

http://www.redicemembers.com/secure/radio/2013/11/779RIR-131108_memplayer.jpg

[grannyfranny100]

gripreaper, do I get any freebees if I buy a dozen of your CDs or call my order in during the next ten minutes like they do on late night TV
:-)

[Elainie]

I have been enjoying Mark Passio's site/videos etc; well worth checking out. Very needed.

[Tangri]

Originally posted by RMorgan: " Well, what can we do? This is entertainment, after all"

It is not entartainment to Mark Richards who sit in jail and to others like him who dare get out with this information, but as is often said- The proof is in the pudding, and if you ain't gotten to eaten it yet, say thank you and excuse yourself, but if you fail to think that this pudding actually exists and about to be shoved into your throat, then a big surprise might be waiting for you around the corner.

Our reactions to this kind of information is our reaction. hunderedth of testimonies talk about reptilians with connection to our militaries and to the controlling system of our planet.

From what I can see, Delight's list is focusing on the 'reactions' of the listener and not necessarily on the message.

To some it is a 'storyline' and entertainment to others it is more real then real. Truth is (please don't count on me), it is all very real for us. We just don't know it yet. The question is, how each of us will swallow the pudding.. probably each in their own time.

I know why you are upset for reptilians or other races when you think they came and claim superiority after we build our Earth living.
Only mistake they made is, creating individuality in human form to differ from one another in their ability to understand complex ideas, to adapt effectively to the environment, to learn from experience, to engage in various forms of reasoning, to overcome obstacles by taking thought.
Some human makes similar mistake with their pets even they can develop zoophilia as some spicy did on human.

[Tangri]

Hey folks,

As for the problem of evidence regarding such cases.

Honestly, I swear, if I was working in one of those highly secretive and obscure military projects involving ETs, I would try as hard as I could to gather some evidence, even if it's one picture or one document, for my own protection, just to give me some leverage in case they eventually decided to terminate me.

I know that these environments are highly controlled, which makes it very hard to gather some evidence unnoticed, but it's always possible. Some of these guys are trained on espionage techniques, and, anyway, there are always flaws to be explored in any system, mostly human flaws. There's no perfect security system when there are humans involved.

However, I recognize that military people tend to obey orders without giving them any more thought, but at least some of them would follow my above reasoning.

Given the fact that we have had quite a few "whistle-blowers" along the years that allegedly participated in such operations, some of them, if genuine, must have some evidence. Maybe that's even the reason for some of them to still be alive.

However, as we know, some people have higher moral standards, and would really risk their own lives to get such important information, if indeed real, to the public. Bradley Manning is a recent example, among many others.

So, where are those people with evidence? I mean, there were so many alleged "whistle-blowers" in this field along the years...We should really have had access to some evidence by now, specially noways, when we have fairly good anonymous methods to release such evidence to the public.

Sure, I don't doubt for a second that there are military bases studying the ET issue. Some of them may indeed have a few crashed crafts. Maybe some of them may even have a kidnapped alive specimen within their facilities. Maybe some have established contact with a couple of races indeed...

However, this thing of lots of different ETs working together in those bases, and augmentations, and interracial wars in the middle of the ocean, and super soldiers, and portals, and teleportation and intergalactic "cold wars"...That would be too much trouble to keep it all a secret, if that was true. Specially considering that according to a lot of those "sources" these operations are not contained just within the US government, but lots of other countries and governments are also involved.

Those of you who have worked in companies where privacy is a serious business know how hard it is to keep information contained inside a regular office. Now, just multiply the scope of the seriousness of such information by a thousand, and spread it through tens of different offices within different countries with different corruption levels and security technology standards...It would be impossible to contain it. It would leak, like secret military and governmental information leak all the time, and with evidence.

Sorry, but as far as we know and as far as evidence goes, we can be sure that we've been visited by ETs, due to the overwhelming amount of unquestionable multiple witnesses, pictures and videos...Aside from that, we don't know much else.

I'll never simply believe all this apparently fantastic things just because someone said so...I've seen a lot of alleged super-soldier videos and interviews, but none of them had demonstrated their super powers on camera, which should be fairly easy to do...I've seen lots of videos of people who allegedly know the location of some "portals", but none of them actually showed the exact location of them...I've seen lots of videos of people claiming lots of things, but none of them were able to tell their stories without falling into several contradictions or at least reasonably substantiating them, even if only by not making any holes in it...And most of them were proven wrong after a while, anyway.

The very few serious and truly professional alternative media interviewers out there, like Bill, are seemingly retired...The active alternative media interviewers are not really that bright, apparently unable to conduct their investigations and interviews without contaminating them with their own agendas and personal convictions...

So, that's it...There are those sorts of videos and those sorts of stories and interviews...Probably, twenty years from now, there will still be this sort of things and people will still be discussing them on forums like this on the internet. Those alleged "whistle-blowers" come and go like flies...As soon as people get tired of one of them, there's another one, and another one, and so on...

There should be evidence by now, a substantial amount of it, in fact, if all those many fantastic claims were at least close to the truth. Personally, I'll never believe something just because someone said so; It goes against my principles.

As far as I understand, the current alternative media people are not even close to be looking for the truth. They are just on their personal journeys to confirm their own versions of the truth and their own beliefs, just making it public instead of keeping it private...This isn't, even by far, proper investigative journalism and will just keep them running around in circles indefinitely. Call it what you want, but not journalism, and whatever comes out of it, is not information but just imaginative speculation.

Just my two cents.

Raf.

I think you are coming from "he framed in undone crime"

If some one, operate in private sector and do some fatal mistake they fire him if they are legitimate. If they are not, they make him disappear . In military if someone broke the unearthly rules which is not written in law, they don't make him/her cause to disclose an example on a probable doable act. Even though the principle of Nuremberg does not apply in every unique event.
If they believed no other option in his action, he could provided on certain moment, they can easily create an another reason for pull him/her from public view, and cover-up the main event. .
I do not believe his incarceration is unfit for his accomplished act.

[Hervé]

Phil Schneider (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook33f.htm) used to bring and dispaly material, physical evidences when still able to tour around...

Through contact with a couple of people (one of them being here on Avalon too), it turns out Phil might have been a bit more of a storyteller rather than a truthteller. In other words, that a lot of his testimony was false.

[...]

To me, it seems that your contacts are in need of some re-assessment... :


For those who haven't heard this song yet, Jackovesk just posted a song about Phil Schneider here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54234-The-Phil-Schneider-Song...&p=614661&viewfull=1#post614661

The song brought tears to my eyes because I knew Phil personally. He is a true hero!

I first met him in Post Falls, Idaho when he spoke with Al Bielek about eighteen years ago. This was before I had had my own underground base experiences. I had just written my first book, THE PROGRAMMING OF A PLANET, and I showed him the underground base drawings by one of the abductees I worked with. During this lecture he opened his shirt to reveal the huge scar he still had from the tall Gray's weapon, which is shown in this music video.

The third time I saw him was months later in a small room in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho at a private gathering of about six people. Phil opened up his locked metal case and allowed us to handle the amazing artifacts that he had including an implant that he had taken out of his leg. Phil was also an abductee. He said he had been in a shoot out with an FBI agent and he killed the agent but took a bullet in his left shoulder. He took off his shirt again to reveal not only the original blast scar but a new round scar from the bullet that was not there before! I became a believer then. Later I was to have my own experiences in a deep underground base where I saw military personnel working with tall and short Grays (details in THE EYE OF RA).

Phil was a man of unshakable integrity. He was telling us the truth.

The last time I saw Phil Schneider was not in person but on TV. It was a television news show wherein he was exposing the government assassination of microbiologists. Soon thereafter he experienced his fourteenth and, unfortunately, final assassination attempt. Imagine that!--Thirteen assassination attempts did not stop him from exposing the truth!

I should also mention that I am a songwriter and I am very impressed with quality of songwriting with material that does not lend itself well to be represented with the art of music. Lyrics, music and production are excellent!

Truman L. Cash

[OnyxKnight]

To me, it seems that your contacts are in need of some re-assessment... :


I never said I bought that 100%. I just used it as an example where a person could be proven a hoaxer in the midst of a lot of physical evidence.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks kerri for the interview and road trip presentation and all the hard work you
put into getting this recording. As for the content well there was nothing new if
you have not seen/heard in all the other Camelot/Avalon vids and many other shows.

I have not read the comments as I have come late to the vid. All I can say for
now is we need more verification of his credentials, always hard to verify.
Other than that I don't no what to add, that has not probably all ready been said.

[Hervé]

[...]

.... Here's a story:

I have it on multiple insider sources (love that one)...

[...]

... besides, you haven't bought my DVD yet!



So, I'm going to have a little fun with it this morning. Here's a story:

.....

I'd like to nominate this post of gripreaper's for some kind of prize. :)

Better still (in theory!), he should start his own satirical website. The problem would be that tens of thousands would take it utterly seriously.

Hi grip,

It seems there's some competition on the line for that prize...

Check this one:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63800-IPCC-climate-report-Scientist-s-worry-ahead-of-release-Climate-sceptics-claim-warming-pause-backs-their-view&p=758305&viewfull=1#post758305

[DNA]

Have massive problems with talk of 'Reptilian' races, looking at even basic biological influences on brain development,
oposable thumbs, language; development of technology it seems difficult to account for this...not saying it can't be, or I am completely skeptical
I just have issues with it, it makes me twitch. What is the consensus of the board? Wild stuff it must be admitted.:wizard:

I really really liked the interview. I'm gong to listen to it a few more times. But my reaction was exactly the same as yours.
This is stuff you file away and wait for corroboration to come in the future.
For the record there is some corroboration to be had.
For instance the "reptilian rape in the Superstition Mountains of Az" (http://www.burlingtonnews.net/superstitionabductions.html) is a bit of corroboration in terms of reptilian males finding human females sexually attractive.

Then there is the Lacerta Interview (http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?18983-Lacerta-An-interview-with-a-female-reptillian) which corroborates a lot of the information in connection to the off world politics going on and the evolution of the reptilian and their thinking this planet is their own.


Then there is The Terra Papers by Robert Morningsky who states in this work that there is a huge reptilian galactic empire in which earth is a part of, and, the major corroboration I heard from this interview is in terms of the description of the Sirians. Mark Richards claims that the Sirians are descended from a dog like race, and this is also what Morningsky states, that the Sirians are mammals like ourselves but descended from a wolf like ancestor.


But all in all bro, I hear you, we have to have "healthy" skepticism. And yea, there is really nothing about this story that is going to enhance your happy place.
And for all the research and what not involved, I personally would like very much for this all to be disinformation because I really want no part of this stuff.

[Carmody]

Phil Schneider (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook33f.htm) used to bring and dispaly material, physical evidences when still able to tour around...

Through contact with a couple of people (one of them being here on Avalon too), it turns out Phil might have been a bit more of a storyteller rather than a truthteller. In other words, that a lot of his testimony was false.

[...]

To me, it seems that your contacts are in need of some re-assessment... :


For those who haven't heard this song yet, Jackovesk just posted a song about Phil Schneider here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54234-The-Phil-Schneider-Song...&p=614661&viewfull=1#post614661

The song brought tears to my eyes because I knew Phil personally. He is a true hero!

I first met him in Post Falls, Idaho when he spoke with Al Bielek about eighteen years ago. This was before I had had my own underground base experiences. I had just written my first book, THE PROGRAMMING OF A PLANET, and I showed him the underground base drawings by one of the abductees I worked with. During this lecture he opened his shirt to reveal the huge scar he still had from the tall Gray's weapon, which is shown in this music video.

The third time I saw him was months later in a small room in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho at a private gathering of about six people. Phil opened up his locked metal case and allowed us to handle the amazing artifacts that he had including an implant that he had taken out of his leg. Phil was also an abductee. He said he had been in a shoot out with an FBI agent and he killed the agent but took a bullet in his left shoulder. He took off his shirt again to reveal not only the original blast scar but a new round scar from the bullet that was not there before! I became a believer then. Later I was to have my own experiences in a deep underground base where I saw military personnel working with tall and short Grays (details in THE EYE OF RA).

Phil was a man of unshakable integrity. He was telling us the truth.

The last time I saw Phil Schneider was not in person but on TV. It was a television news show wherein he was exposing the government assassination of microbiologists. Soon thereafter he experienced his fourteenth and, unfortunately, final assassination attempt. Imagine that!--Thirteen assassination attempts did not stop him from exposing the truth!

I should also mention that I am a songwriter and I am very impressed with quality of songwriting with material that does not lend itself well to be represented with the art of music. Lyrics, music and production are excellent!

Truman L. Cash

then, read these few posts of mine forward, from this post. (about 4 posts in that same thread, after this linked post)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=770645#post770645

In spots, in the lithium thread in the priority thread area, I cover the subject of the alloy pieces that Phil had in his possession. Their design, origin, type and reasons for being, how they work, and so on.

Once that is topic is 'covered' (the alloys), Phil's story becomes even more credible.

For most people it is a problem, as this is a journey of self discovery and change in self (painfully so, for most, at least at first... the paranoia and difficulty looms large), so one can truly understand the data. What goes on in the lithium thread, is a partial explanation of the complexity of that journey.

[HaveBlue]

Did some here miss the bit about the child porn, the drugs and the science fiction novels?

Jails throughout the world are bursting at the seams with framed and innocent people don't you know!

When you've got nothing left to lose what's a few tall tales amongst friends right?

It is stories like this that keep Kerry safe! (from 'them') That way when she is onto something that is real, she can easily be dismissed as 'that woman' who thinks the Mark Richards story is real. I have thought this about Kerry more than once where I am left thinking that Kerry surely cannot be that gullible and stupid! And I don't think she is. I think it a psyop in the form of self preservation.

What is not harmless is Joann and women like her (vertically challenged, low self esteem) who latch onto some jailbird and become totally manipulated and subserviant to,get to play hero for a while only to live out a fantasy that can never be- in more ways than one. (oh baby I neeeeeed you- I can't live without you BS (emoticon for fingers down throat here)

I suggest some 'research' on psychopaths, borderline personality disorder and compulsive liers, to name 3 right off the bat.

Quite apart from 'researching' this 'case' from 1982 (his arrest) onwards. When you spend 32 years in a 12 X 9 foot cell you would 'create you own reality' wouldn't you? Who can blame him for that?

It's those that open wide and swallow it all up that I shake my head at! I have some land on moon for sale for specially selected applicants. Upon receipt of a small application fee those 'specially selected' applicants will be given co-ordinates on the moon to astral travel to or remote view at their pleasure.

[DNA]

I'm going through some youtube stuff and I ran across this weird video.
It's called the wikileaks dinosaur. I'm mentioning it here because of course folks who have digested the Mark Richards material will remember that he states there is a living race of space faring dinosaurs that resemble large raptors.
What is depicted in the video is the closest thing I've ever seen in terms of an actual living raptor.
I have no idea if this is legit, but the fact wikileaks is involved lends some credibility in my eyes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuLAK0tZJ-0
wuLAK0tZJ-0

[OnyxKnight]

Then there is The Terra Papers by Robert Morningsky who states in this work that there is a huge reptilian galactic empire in which earth is a part of, and, the major corroboration I heard from this interview is in terms of the description of the Sirians. Mark Richards claims that the Sirians are descended from a dog like race, and this is also what Morningsky states, that the Sirians are mammals like ourselves but descended from a wolf like ancestor.

What do people mean when they say galactic empire? Do they mean galaxy-wide? there's a section of the galaxy where "reptoid" strains are dominant, but our planet is not part of that grouping. The last border of it is some 50 light years away. Everything in between is really blurred lines and in soaring contention over loyalties and leanings. The dog-like description, like many other animal resemblances people report, are only superficial and is based on looking for similarities or familiarities in things we deem off, otherworldly, strange or foreign. While "reptoids" have reptilian characteristics if you would examine their integument and that of reptiles here you'd see that what passes for scales is not the same at all. Not to mention internal anatomy.

The Sirians are a varied bunch. Some are amphibian, some are "mammalian", some have mixed "reptoid" characteristics. The white dwarf in the system carries most of the regressive bunch's inhabited places.

[DNA]

Then there is The Terra Papers by Robert Morningsky who states in this work that there is a huge reptilian galactic empire in which earth is a part of, and, the major corroboration I heard from this interview is in terms of the description of the Sirians. Mark Richards claims that the Sirians are descended from a dog like race, and this is also what Morningsky states, that the Sirians are mammals like ourselves but descended from a wolf like ancestor.

What do people mean when they say galactic empire? Do they mean galaxy-wide? there's a section of the galaxy where "reptoid" strains are dominant, but our planet is not part of that grouping. The last border of it is some 50 light years away. Everything in between is really blurred lines and in soaring contention over loyalties and leanings. The dog-like description, like many other animal resemblances people report, are only superficial and is based on looking for similarities or familiarities in things we deem off, otherworldly, strange or foreign. While "reptoids" have reptilian characteristics if you would examine their integument and that of reptiles here you'd see that what passes for scales is not the same at all. Not to mention internal anatomy.

The Sirians are a varied bunch. Some are amphibian, some are "mammalian", some have mixed "reptoid" characteristics. The white dwarf in the system carries most of the regressive bunch's inhabited places.


I personally only talk about these things in terms of correlating data from sources that are varied and I try to make connections.
I have no way of talking about any of this stuff in terms of concrete events that can be substantiated. What you quote was a statement I made four years ago.
A lot happens in four years.
Now if you were to ask questions based on the sources I provided being as this was where I got the information I would be more than happy to continue, but as for myself, it seems the more I've studied UFO's and alien races, the more convoluted and erroneous the information gets. I dare say UFO's are a topic where you can get stupider rather than smarter the longer you study it.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hey Onyx,

Videos are appearing as live documentaries of alien planets.

Is this how they are going to handle disclosure. Straight up see with your own eyes, and yet most will still not believe what they see.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsMbUfFC_v8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfoAWLS3Zs

I brought it up as a contact for your experiences so they could be created into animated films...

I watch this paranoid dude because his reports aren't backed by any sources that can be confirmed. He makes me laugh...

This one is on Russian soldiers running into an ananuki lair, scouting team from Nibiru.

Says they were 5-15 meters in height?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G5covz08n0

I thought Nibiru was blown to bits, were there survivors?