Liver detox / Liver flush

[Connecting with Sauce]

The liver flukes / parasites which came out of me during the fasting part... and also people experiencing green bile stones coming out during the "apple juice vegan diet" part before any salts OR oils are consumed debunks the internet quackwatchers... I know numerous people outside of this including 4 family members and close friends who have all experienced positive health benefits from liver flushing... However if you remain on a wheat/sugar based western diet all you are doing is prolonging the inner damage... Sugar and wheat I think are the two worst players.

I used to be 118kg and am now 72-74 kg ...

This is from a combination of the following

Liver flushing as per this thread and this one I started on PA1 > http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16447

Mercury amalgam removal as per this thread > http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3994&highlight=mercury

Homeapathic HCG loosing 14kg in 5 weeks as per this thread > http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3540-Weight-loss-cure-THEY-don-t-want-you-to-know-about...

Distilled waters as per this thread > http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7340
(I now do not add in-organic minerals and tend to try and drink >4 Litres per day of distilled fluids (distilled water / urine... mainly urine)

Urine therapy as per this thread > http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...

I have not done a liver flush for quite a while but parts of urine therapy looping I am sure clears you out like a liver flush as loose stools can be quite biley in nature during urine fasting...

[Eram]

I took my 8th flush on the night of the full moon too this time.
Unfortunately the flush was accompanied with an upcoming stomach flew (which I didn't see coming until it was too late), leaving me sick for more then a day.

Not an unusual amount of stones this time.
I'm still uncertain about the full moon flushes and bringing extra stones out, but it appears that the statement made by mr. Moritz that a New Moon is the best time for a liver flush is at least overemphasized.



Hi everyone,

I was all set to do my first liver cleanse a couple of months ago. But when I was about to drink the epsom salts my body just refused. I could not force myself to drink it. I could not convince myself that it would be of no harm to my body.

So, about 8 weeks ago, I decided to do the Dr Schulze 30 day detox instead. This is 2 weeks of bowel detoxing, one week liver cleansing and one week kidney cleansing. The detoxing is done with herbs while on a raw food diet / juice fasting.

I feel ( and look :) ) amazing. The detox made it quite easy to give up all the foods I was addicted to. And I am still dairy-sugar-coffee-alcohol-grain free, and eat mostly raw food.

I am not discounting anybody´s experiences, in fact I might even try this liver cleanse again. But if one feels it is too harsh, IMO the Dr Schulze detox is a very good alternative.

So nice to hear that you are feeling good Swan.
I take it that you overcame your skin condition with this program as well? :thumb:

The Schulze liver detox claims to dissolve hardened sediments in the gallbladder.
If this is indeed true, this detox program would in my eyes indeed be a good alternative for the Moritz liver cleanse.

To me personally ... a raw food diet feels like a far bigger challenge then the Moritz liver flush ;)

Ultimately, I am aiming to eat a diet with only healthy foods, but for the moment I am far to addicted to my sugars, cheese, chocolate etc. to wave that goodbye altogether. :o

[Connecting with Sauce]

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[Swan]

So nice to hear that you are feeling good Swan.
I take it that you overcame your skin condition with this program as well? :thumb:

The Schulze liver detox claims to dissolve hardened sediments in the gallbladder.
If this is indeed true, this detox program would in my eyes indeed be a good alternative for the Moritz liver cleanse.

To me personally ... a raw food diet feels like a far bigger challenge then the Moritz liver flush ;)

Ultimately, I am aiming to eat a diet with only healthy foods, but for the moment I am far to addicted to my sugars, cheese, chocolate etc. to wave that goodbye altogether. :o


If I hadn´t been so sick, I would probably never done the detox :). The infection I had kept returning so I needed to do something drastic.

Since I love food, especially bread, cheese and coffee...it was not easy. BUT I must say, I love not craving these things now. I feel much sharper, and less sluggish.

But I am still toying with the idea of doing the Moritz liver detox, or another week of the Schulze detox. My temper is still far too short.

[Eram]

So nice to hear that you are feeling good Swan.
I take it that you overcame your skin condition with this program as well? :thumb:

The Schulze liver detox claims to dissolve hardened sediments in the gallbladder.
If this is indeed true, this detox program would in my eyes indeed be a good alternative for the Moritz liver cleanse.

To me personally ... a raw food diet feels like a far bigger challenge then the Moritz liver flush ;)

Ultimately, I am aiming to eat a diet with only healthy foods, but for the moment I am far to addicted to my sugars, cheese, chocolate etc. to wave that goodbye altogether. :o


If I hadn´t been so sick, I would probably never done the detox :). The infection I had kept returning so I needed to do something drastic.

Since I love food, especially bread, cheese and coffee...it was not easy. BUT I must say, I love not craving these things now. I feel much sharper, and less sluggish.

But I am still toying with the idea of doing the Moritz liver detox, or another week of the Schulze detox. My temper is still far too short.

I am far from an expert on the Schulze liver detox, but wouldn't that therapy clean the liver of stones too?
If it claims to get rid of the hardened sediments in the gall bladder, then I would think that also the stones from the liver would dissolve...

Andreas Moritz says that the obstruction of the bile flow in the liver (from the stones), creates a physical frustration, which gets translated to emotional anger.

I have a short temper too, sad to say, and in a family with two young children, this is no blessing at all.

Since I started to do the liver flushes, the rate that I ignite in anger has dropped at least with 50 maybe 70%.
That's almost a miracle isn't it?

So the way that my short temper acts is still the same.
When I'm tired, or low in energy, and I get a sensory overload, like two children demanding my attention, while at the same time trying to prevent a pan on the fire from burning the food in there, then I can burst out and yell at them to all "be quiet".
But it just doesn't happen that much anymore.
There are whole weeks without them actually.

ps: The movie with Andreas Moritz that you posted (connecting with sauce) is really good and informative and I can really recommend it.
He knows so damn much about the human body, what causes illnesses and how to prevent it.
I'm going to read his other books too:)

[Swan]

Yes, I am sure anger and the liver are connected. And I feel I owe it to my children to clear it as much as possible. But I am still a little worried about drinking so much epsom salts. Can´t that be dangerous?

I should add that I have read the book. I am just not convinced...

[Eram]

From memory, I can say that A. Moritz states that some people might experience an allergic reaction to epsom salt and people best test themselves (http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1898173) for this, before doing a first liver flush.

a few links that talk about possible risks involved with the use of epsom salt.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/179362-epsom-salt-dangers/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/141120-the-dangers-epsom-salts/
http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?63197-Epsom-Salt-dangers-Liver-cleanse

[music]

This may have been posted here before, but here is a list from Natrual News of cheap and easy detoxes, and my recipe for standard detox tea.

Tea

2 x chamomile
1 x elderflower
1 x yarrow
1 x skullcap
1 x peppermint
1 x catnip
1/2 x hops

Damiana may replace skullcap, passion flower may replace hops.

Seven ways to detox on a budget (http://www.naturalnews.com/036985_detox_toxic_chemicals_environmental_exposure.html)

[Connecting with Sauce]

'Connecting with sauce' (the initiator of this thread) had this to say about that:
[QUOTE=Connecting with Sauce;561900][QUOTE=Wakytweaky(that would be me, Eram);561480]Spot on there.

Thank you for reminding me of my quote, that was how I remember it... I'm interested in doing another liver flush as I've been looping/recycling urine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...) for probably a year of so now and would like to see if I have any liver / GB stones still after intensive urine therapy.

[Hervé]

Another full moon and another successful liver cleanse; my 14th:


Upon awakening and before the 3rd bottom's up Epsom salt:


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Sectioned a few:

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After 4th Epsom salt:

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Sectioned:

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Details of concentric accretions:

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Late comers:

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Opened up:

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Later...

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Opened up:

https://fwtinw.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p9XowExHqIkGJtYZki2GgJOY01EnuFxr1gFMSPdepdmnoXYLoAhylIjVEr4eyxSx2Sg4b04Mslkdl6nlj-WUxqmMh77IShIzC/IMG_2515.JPG?psid=1


I am quite baffled by the number of the bigger ones since it's only been a month from my last cleanse???

[Connecting with Sauce]

Another full moon and another successful liver cleanse; my 14th:

I am quite baffled by the number of the bigger ones since it's only been a month from my last cleanse???
[/CENTER]

Wow 14 and still getting this out... Right I need to step up the motivation to do one... plus my wife could do with it too :) and it is a good time of the year for a liver flush... I think I may even include the lead up to it and the photos on Facebook ... stir the non-flushers up a little bit with what comes out... :)

[RunningDeer]

Rest in Peace, Andreas Moritz. You continue to awaken Light and Health in many.
Thanks Paul. I was not aware of Andreas' passing.


From Andreas Moritz - The Mysterious Death of a Legend (Black Seeds) (http://blackseeds1.blogspot.com/2012/10/andreas-moritz-mysterious-death-of.html):




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On October 21st, 2012 at approximately 9am, medical intuitive, Andreas Moritz was reported to have died. The shock wave went through the web with disbelief and great sadness. How could this be? He was so young, 58 years old and worked right up to his death.
More at the above link (http://blackseeds1.blogspot.com/2012/10/andreas-moritz-mysterious-death-of.html).

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From A Loving Tribute to the Life and Work of Andreas Moritz (Ener-Chi Wellness Center) (http://www.ener-chi.com/about-andreas/a-loving-tribute-to-andreas-moritz/):




http://www.ener-chi.com/enerchiwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/61320_472689601468_2257905_n-245x300.jpg

In the wake of Andreas’ transition into the realms of Light, we have received many, many messages from his friends and clients around the globe. Since Andreas was such a humble and reserved person, he tended to say very little about himself. So those of us who perhaps knew him the best, thought it would be fitting to create this loving ‘tribute’ as a way of sharing more about the personal life, values and accomplishments of this beautiful, generous and compassionate soul.

Andreas was born in southwest Germany in 1954. As we know from his writings and conversations with him, he experienced several illnesses starting at a young age which eluded mainstream medicine’s ability to resolve. This led him to have a passionate and lifelong curiosity about and interest in alternative and holistic pathways for maintaining and reclaiming vibrant health and well-being.
More at the above link (http://www.ener-chi.com/about-andreas/a-loving-tribute-to-andreas-moritz/)

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From Announcement(Ener-Chi Wellness Center) (http://www.ener-chi.com/about-andreas/announcement/):



Dear Friends,

Since the time of Andreas’ passing, we have received several emails from caring friends, colleagues and clients around the world asking to know more about the cause and circumstances of his crossing over.

It is our understanding that the cause of his death dates back to his serious health problems in early childhood.

At that time, the medical doctors in Germany diagnosed him as having juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and severe arrhythmia, amongst many other medical conditions. Unable to alleviate his ailments, and to the best of our understanding, the doctors did not give him much hope of surviving past his teen years or early adulthood; his life expectancy was short, and this is something Andreas has mentioned in several of his books and interviews.
More at the above link (http://www.ener-chi.com/about-andreas/announcement/)

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Andreas Moritz's presence will remain here on this forum in several threads, including in particular the thread Liver detox (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox--from-av1-).

[Hervé]

Another full moon went by and along with it a few more stones with my 15th liver cleanse:

Upon getting up and before the 3rd Epsom salt solution:


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After the 3rd + 4th Epsom salt solution:


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Cutting in 1/2 a few of the biggies:


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Details:


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Letting them "dry" overnight:


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The oily cholesterol-bile content seeped out in the paper towel leaving a shell of crystallized cholesterol.



Details:


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[Christine]

I am not sure whether to thank you or not. :p But congratulations on completing the flush, you must feel better.

[ThePythonicCow]

Brb ,will throw a fish oil gel cap in warm water to see how fast it dissolves

I updated my previous post too, check it out.

I've flipped the routine around so that I drink the oil at 10:00 am rather than 10:00 pm.

The same goes for the oil mixture! Only one time I drank that thing cold and it was nasty! I usually had no problem with the oil mixture at all.
An update to an old thread ... I realized a couple of days ago that the olive oil and vinegar dressing I was putting on my salads was much the same as the oil and juice mixture used in a liver flush ... only the salad dressing is much tastier. So I this time, in a liver flush I am just completing today, I used the following instead of the 4 oz oil and 6 oz juice:

4 ounces olive oil
2 ounces apple cider vinegar
1/4 tsp each of: salt, pepper, garlic salt, onion flakes, oregano, thyme, basil

Shaken, not stirred (as James Bond would say.)

Yummy. And I now verified, a half day later, that the gallstones are coming out just fine.

[Eram]

Brb ,will throw a fish oil gel cap in warm water to see how fast it dissolves

I updated my previous post too, check it out.

I've flipped the routine around so that I drink the oil at 10:00 am rather than 10:00 pm.

The same goes for the oil mixture! Only one time I drank that thing cold and it was nasty! I usually had no problem with the oil mixture at all.
An update to an old thread ... I realized a couple of days ago that the olive oil and vinegar dressing I was putting on my salads was much the same as the oil and juice mixture used in a liver flush ... only the salad dressing is much tastier. So I this time, in a liver flush I am just completing today, I used the following instead of the 4 oz oil and 6 oz juice:

4 ounces olive oil
2 ounces apple cider vinegar
1/4 tsp each of: salt, pepper, garlic salt, onion flakes, oregano, thyme, basil

Shaken, not stirred (as James Bond would say.)

Yummy. And I now verified, a half day later, that the gallstones are coming out just fine.

Good one Paul!

Can you come up with a tasty additive to the epsom salt solution too?, because that is what I'm struggling with the most in my last 5 flushes :P

[ThePythonicCow]

Can you come up with a tasty additive to the epsom salt solution too?, because that is what I'm struggling with the most in my last 5 flushes :P
Yeah - that's on my wish list too - if I figure something out, I'll let y'all know.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Can you come up with a tasty additive to the epsom salt solution too?, because that is what I'm struggling with the most in my last 5 flushes :P

Yeah - that's on my wish list too - if I figure something out, I'll let y'all know.

I already fixed that problem Paul, I made capsules with the Epsom, piece of cake, the caps take a few minutes extra to dissolve btw, about 5 min, that shouldn't be a problem what so ever, results are the same. I make them for my superfood powders and Kurkumin too.

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[RunningDeer]

Brb ,will throw a fish oil gel cap in warm water to see how fast it dissolves

I updated my previous post too, check it out.

I've flipped the routine around so that I drink the oil at 10:00 am rather than 10:00 pm.

The same goes for the oil mixture! Only one time I drank that thing cold and it was nasty! I usually had no problem with the oil mixture at all.
An update to an old thread ... I realized a couple of days ago that the olive oil and vinegar dressing I was putting on my salads was much the same as the oil and juice mixture used in a liver flush ... only the salad dressing is much tastier. So I this time, in a liver flush I am just completing today, I used the following instead of the 4 oz oil and 6 oz juice:

4 ounces olive oil
2 ounces apple cider vinegar
1/4 tsp each of: salt, pepper, garlic salt, onion flakes, oregano, thyme, basil

Shaken, not stirred (as James Bond would say.)

Yummy. And I now verified, a half day later, that the gallstones are coming out just fine.

That’s brilliant, Paul!


Can you come up with a tasty additive to the epsom salt solution too?

For the epsom, I direct the yuck as far back as possible and with the least amount of tastebuds involved. Quickly, and with mind elsewhere.

Hey, I just got this idea - How about use pepper corns, whole clove or strong mouth spray/mouth wash to numb taste buds?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

This is the funniest thread ever imo, people who only read this stuff do not realize, what is going on here, they see some pictures, secret recipes and some chatting about results.

While when you participate, you are some some dude, standing in your kitchen, scooping Epson in some sort of container/shaker, make measurements, slam the ugly drink down, wonder how long it takes before you have to make a run for it, did I buy toilet paper today, crap, I should have bought some wet ones too, stomach and intestines rumbling, uneasy shifting your butt around in your chair, desperately trying to prevent involuntary sfincterwinking ( at least until you made it the bathroom) and damn, theres another glass coming, and then some juice with oil you have to prepare, mix, see of the consistency is to your liking, drink it, lay down, try to be still ( sometimes clenching your buttcheeks together), taste the exquisite oil and grapefruit in your mouth while laying there, thinking 'there better be stones in that bowl tomorrow, dammit', next day, yep stones, maybe I can scoop them out with a net, that's a big one, I'm gonna poke that one with a stick first, it might still be alive , that should teach it a lesson, ha, and you, nah, not big enough, nope, youre not gonna be in the picture, neither do you, ooooooooo aaaaaaaaaaa look at that one, that's a keeper, you are going to be on the interwebs my little green friend, now lay still, gotta make picture, behold Avalon, my stones are massive, damn, im proud, ha. Good work Ed, good work.

That's my house:o

[ThePythonicCow]

For the epsom, I direct the yuck as far back as possible and with the least amount of tastebuds involved. Quickly, and with mind elsewhere.

Hey, I just got this idea - How about use pepper corns, whole clove or strong mouth spray/mouth wash to numb taste buds?


I already fixed that problem Paul, I made capsules with the Epsom, piece of cake, the caps take a few minutes extra to dissolve btw, about 5 min, that shouldn't be a problem what so ever, results are the same. I make them for my superfood powders and Kurkumin too.

I have the capsules and capsule maker, but find using them rather tedious, so tend to not use it.

I did a google search for "How can I make the Epsom salts taste better", and came up with a couple of ideas - add lemon juice or Vitamin C (ascorbic acid form) to the epsom salt and water mix.

But then I noticed that I always have some grapefruit juice in the refrigerator and tried that. A winner, for me anyway. Just put the one (1) tablespoon of Epsom salts for each dose into a glass of grapefruit juice, instead of a glass of water. Much easier taste.

... excuse me for a moment ... gotta run :)

[RunningDeer]

'there better be stones in that bowl tomorrow, dammit', next day, yep stones, maybe I can scoop them out with a net, that's a big one, I'm gonna poke that one with a stick first,

That's funny, Ed!

Myself, I'd shine a high powered flashlight into the bowl. I mostly manufactured the sawdust kind. And I never understood the whole dissection thing. No offense, Amzer Zo. I'm less curious. And BTW, where are you? You've gotta be settled by now.


... excuse me for a moment ... gotta run :)

Another out of the ball park... Both the idea and the last sentence! Still smiling!

[Hervé]

Yep! Talking of... there I am!



'there better be stones in that bowl tomorrow, dammit', next day, yep stones, maybe I can scoop them out with a net, that's a big one, I'm gonna poke that one with a stick first,

That's funny, Ed!

Second that one: Funniest post I have ever read in this and many other threads!

... and so true!


And I never understood the whole dissection thing. No offense, Amzer Zo.

It's just that I want to find out what seeds this damn things? Like, is it parasites à la Hulda Clark or something else?



I'm less curious. And BTW, where are you? You've gotta be settled by now.Apologies for the seemingly stupid answer but... I am here!

Now for my 17th flush:


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Coin is 17mm diameter...
neighbour's coin is 20 mm diameter.


No more Canadian coins for a while... French ones it is for the moment and... no, I am not settled yet (still on the run between liver flushes, French bureaucratic meander check points, etc...).

In any case:

Hello everyone!

And thank you for wondering where that quacking yellow feathery thing is at...


:wave:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hey Amzer man, youre still alive, GOOD, and 17th flush? What are you going to do with all that green gravel, pave a sticky tennis court?;)

[Bill Ryan]

Yep! Talking of... there I am!



Wonderful. There you are! :)

Grabbing a chance to catch you. Will also PM -- pls check. Welcome back to Avalon. You have been missed.

:focus:

[RunningDeer]

Yep! Talking of... there I am!


Myself, I'd shine a high powered flashlight into the bowl. I mostly manufactured the sawdust kind. And I never understood the whole dissection thing. No offense, Amzer Zo. I'm less curious. And BTW, where are you? You've gotta be settled by now.

Hello everyone!

And thank you for wondering where that quacking yellow feathery thing is at...
Hey, Amzer Zo,

Welcome home! http://www.pic4ever.com/images/grouphugg.gif

I’d offer you a seat but there’s only toilets here.

I’ll be on the look out for your monster research post that tell people to go back and read more carefully.
http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif Just so you know, I may not. Hee, hee. xo

[chocolate]

This is the most amusing thread I have come across thus for on PA. Really! :) You are trully an amazing and curious beings, some specifically.
Along the read I was wondering if I had to thank the post or just quickly move forward.

I decided to interject here because I think I may have a solution to the epsom salt problem. I have to say I haven't used that ... wonderful thing ... for years. I don't do any of what you are doing during full moons :), but I have some other ways of keeping health issues at check.

So, if anyone's interested, please let me know.
->
The explanation would be a bit lengthy. It is based on a yogic cleanse and consists of water and sea salt. I hate it, but not as much as the epsom salt. <-

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Bump for Natural Healing.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, Folks -- I did a liver flush a couple of days ago. (I usually do one every year, though I never look forward to it very much!)

Like most other people, each time, I get the kind of liver stone/gallstone "gravel" that you'll see photos of in this thread. But this time, as well as the many smaller ones, I also got two stones which were larger than any others I've seen. They did raise my eyebrows a little! Whatever they are, I'm pretty happy they're no longer in my liver. :)


http://projectavalon.net/liver_stones.jpg


Out of interest, the protocols I used were the standard Hulda Clark ones, below.

Notes: I was NOT exact with the timing, btw, which may not matter as long as it's approximately right. I also had no grapefruit, so I substituted with freshly squeezed orange and lime. It worked in exactly the same way. And for the first time, rather than freshly squeezed apple juice (which softens the bile ducts prior to the cleanse) for three days I drank Malic Acid (one teaspoon dissolved in a liter of water per day). The Malic Acid was from here (http://pforlife.com/malic-acid-l-malic-acid-the-only-natural-form-granulated-usp-grade-supplement.html), and as far as the liver flush is concerned it's the same active ingredient as in Apple Juice.


For several days prior to the cleanse: drink plenty of organic, fresh Apple Juice, as much as you like.
The day of the cleanse: don't eat anything containing any fat at all in the morning (important), and don't eat or drink anything whatsoever after 2 o'clock. If you break this rule, you could feel quite ill later.
Get your Epsom salts ready. Mix 4 tbs (tablespoons) in 3 cups of water, and pour this into a jar. This makes four servings of 3/4 cup each.
6:00 PM: Drink one serving (3/4 cup) of the Epsom salts drink.
8:00 PM: Repeat.
9:45 PM: Pour 1/2 cup olive oil into a pint jar or bottle. Add 3/4 cup freshly squeezed grapefruit juice. Shake vigorously.
10:00 PM: Drink this mixture. Lie down immediately on your back with your head high on your pillow. Keep perfectly still for at least 20 minutes. Go to sleep.
When you wake up, after 6 AM: Take your third dose of Epsom salts.
2 Hours later: Take your fourth and final dose of Epsom salts.
2 Hours later again: You can eat, starting with juice and fruit. Keep your meals light for the rest of the day.
The stones will start to appear after the third and particularly after the fourth dose of Epsom Salts, and may continue to appear throughout the day until the evening. Your diarrhea (which is brought on purposefully by the salts) will die down during the day. Remember to drink lots of water or juice that day, because you may be a little dehydrated and not realize it.

[Ilie Pandia]

Ah, good for you Bill!!

As an update from myself, I've been doing the flushes at every 6 months (after my initial spree of 14) and the last one (in Jan 2014) did not have any stones! So I am now switching to doing it annually for maintenance.

[sheme]

RESULT! fantastic information Bill I must try this as my gall bladder has been cross lately, cheers.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hi, Folks -- I did a liver flush a couple of days ago. (I usually do one every year, though I never look forward to it very much!)

Like most other people, each time, I get the kind of liver stone/gallstone "gravel" that you'll see photos of in this thread. But this time, as well as the many smaller ones, I also got two stones which were larger than any others I've seen. They did raise my eyebrows a little! Whatever they are, I'm pretty happy they're no longer in my liver. :)


http://projectavalon.net/liver_stones.jpg


Holy crap those are huge, sell them on E bay, you are a celebrity;)

[Connecting with Sauce]

New moon coming on the weekend of the 29/30 March... Planning my 14th liver flush... Did my 13th last September.

[Connecting with Sauce]

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Hi, Folks -- I did a liver flush a couple of days ago. (I usually do one every year, though I never look forward to it very much!)

Like most other people, each time, I get the kind of liver stone/gallstone "gravel" that you'll see photos of in this thread. But this time, as well as the many smaller ones, I also got two stones which were larger than any others I've seen. They did raise my eyebrows a little! Whatever they are, I'm pretty happy they're no longer in my liver. :)


http://projectavalon.net/liver_stones.jpg


Out of interest, the protocols I used were the standard Hulda Clark ones, below.

Notes: I was NOT exact with the timing, btw, which may not matter as long as it's approximately right. I also had no grapefruit, so I substituted with freshly squeezed orange and lime. It worked in exactly the same way. And for the first time, rather than freshly squeezed apple juice (which softens the bile ducts prior to the cleanse) for three days I drank Malic Acid (one teaspoon dissolved in a liter of water per day). The Malic Acid was from here (http://pforlife.com/malic-acid-l-malic-acid-the-only-natural-form-granulated-usp-grade-supplement.html), and as far as the liver flush is concerned it's the same active ingredient as in Apple Juice.


For several days prior to the cleanse: drink plenty of organic, fresh Apple Juice, as much as you like.
The day of the cleanse: don't eat anything containing any fat at all in the morning (important), and don't eat or drink anything whatsoever after 2 o'clock. If you break this rule, you could feel quite ill later.
Get your Epsom salts ready. Mix 4 tbs (tablespoons) in 3 cups of water, and pour this into a jar. This makes four servings of 3/4 cup each.
6:00 PM: Drink one serving (3/4 cup) of the Epsom salts drink.
8:00 PM: Repeat.
9:45 PM: Pour 1/2 cup olive oil into a pint jar or bottle. Add 3/4 cup freshly squeezed grapefruit juice. Shake vigorously.
10:00 PM: Drink this mixture. Lie down immediately on your back with your head high on your pillow. Keep perfectly still for at least 20 minutes. Go to sleep.
When you wake up, after 6 AM: Take your third dose of Epsom salts.
2 Hours later: Take your fourth and final dose of Epsom salts.
2 Hours later again: You can eat, starting with juice and fruit. Keep your meals light for the rest of the day.
The stones will start to appear after the third and particularly after the fourth dose of Epsom Salts, and may continue to appear throughout the day until the evening. Your diarrhea (which is brought on purposefully by the salts) will die down during the day. Remember to drink lots of water or juice that day, because you may be a little dehydrated and not realize it.


Great to see you're doing the liver flush regularly Bill. I recently did my 14th liver flush on a new moon as was rather shocked by the amount which came out... I thought my liver was purged as I've passed parasites on my 4th liver flush (a whole sieve full) and I've also passed green balls upto ~40 mm in diameter on my 6th and 7th liver flush. In Andreas Moritz Liver flush book he recommends doing one per month until the liver is purged and clear this he says can take 8 - 16 flushes every month until clear. I did 1 per week for 3 weeks.

I share a load of photos on my facebook page where I also try and raise awareness :) >> https://www.facebook.com/#!/john.shore.182/media_set?set=a.10151608981021822.1073741825.575931821&type=3

Not sure how many flushes you have done in the past? but once the liver is purged then a yearly flush is recommended. Based on your comments of "what came out" I get the impression that nothing came out before like that for you :) ... I know LOADS who have had "outcomes" like that.

Great to see you're liver and gallbladder flushing.

PS BTW I learnt about liver flushing after meeting someone at the Project Camelot Zurich conference in 2009 and then did 12 flushes from that point... A few of the pictures are in the old thread I started on PA1 and laterly on the Facebook link above.

[Connecting with Sauce]

This is the most amusing thread I have come across thus for on PA. Really! :) You are trully an amazing and curious beings, some specifically.
Along the read I was wondering if I had to thank the post or just quickly move forward.

I decided to interject here because I think I may have a solution to the epsom salt problem. I have to say I haven't used that ... wonderful thing ... for years. I don't do any of what you are doing during full moons :), but I have some other ways of keeping health issues at check.

So, if anyone's interested, please let me know.
->
The explanation would be a bit lengthy. It is based on a yogic cleanse and consists of water and sea salt. I hate it, but not as much as the epsom salt. <-

Hey Chocolate you need to check out my URINE THERAPY thread which is also in my sign off ;) I love taking the piss being English ;)

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Ah, good for you Bill!!

As an update from myself, I've been doing the flushes at every 6 months (after my initial spree of 14) and the last one (in Jan 2014) did not have any stones! So I am now switching to doing it annually for maintenance.

Great news! ... I thought I'd got them all out!... but No. 14 gave me a shock.. maybe it was the timing to the new moon... or the fact that the 13th one 6mths ago shifted some stuff DEEP inside not sure but plan to do another one soon... My wife and Mother are saying they plan to do some more so a good excuse to drink apple juice.

[Connecting with Sauce]

For the epsom, I direct the yuck as far back as possible and with the least amount of tastebuds involved. Quickly, and with mind elsewhere.

Hey, I just got this idea - How about use pepper corns, whole clove or strong mouth spray/mouth wash to numb taste buds?


I already fixed that problem Paul, I made capsules with the Epsom, piece of cake, the caps take a few minutes extra to dissolve btw, about 5 min, that shouldn't be a problem what so ever, results are the same. I make them for my superfood powders and Kurkumin too.

I have the capsules and capsule maker, but find using them rather tedious, so tend to not use it.

I did a google search for "How can I make the Epsom salts taste better", and came up with a couple of ideas - add lemon juice or Vitamin C (ascorbic acid form) to the epsom salt and water mix.

But then I noticed that I always have some grapefruit juice in the refrigerator and tried that. A winner, for me anyway. Just put the one (1) tablespoon of Epsom salts for each dose into a glass of grapefruit juice, instead of a glass of water. Much easier taste.

... excuse me for a moment ... gotta run :)

Paul,
I'd be cautious about using too much citrus during the salt stage as it may effect the bile flow later stage.. just my intuition here... but the oil and grapefruit is there for a reason to create bile flow.

We find sucking on a slice of lemon is a way to take the taste away... I just focus my attention elsewhere and neck it then don't breath afterwards as this is what amplifies the taste... Bllarr... Epsom salts especially the forth glass in the morning is the one!! :D

[ThePythonicCow]

I'd be cautious about using too much citrus during the salt stage as it may effect the bile flow later stage.. just my intuition here
I noticed no difference in bile or "kidney stone" flow, whether using water or grapefruit juice (about 6 oz) for the Epsom Salts solution.

[conk]

When drinking the Epsom Salts have a big pinch of baking soda handy. Drink, then swish the baking soda around in the mouth. This instantly neutralizes the salts and returns the pH back to normal. You'll actually observe a mild sweet taste, which is preferable to the harshness of the salts.

I'm gulping apple juice just now in anticipation of a flush this Saturday. Too bad the full moon rushed by without my noticing, as that was the optimal time. So dread the intense hunger pangs to be experienced on Saturday evening/night.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I would like to start my detox this next full moon and was wondering if anyone could list from start to finish exactly what one flush would consist of. From preparing before, during, and after the detox. I am sure that the info is here just trying to filter through it all. I suffer from horrible rage at random times that I have not been able to control and this is something that would help immensely. This is entirely a new subject for me no one I know in my immediate life knows anything about taking proper care of your body. Thanks again for any help.

p.s. I also am doing UT therapy and wonder if that would interfere at all.

This might also be Candida related, have you checked the Gum Turpentine thread?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

bump..........to compliment the info in the other thread for those who are interested.

[Connecting with Sauce]

bump..........to compliment the info in the other thread for those who are interested.

Which other thread 778 ? If it is about liver flushing should they not be merged... and maybe tagged as getting the bile inclusions cleared is one of the ways to get "the self" functioning correctly. As is getting pure clean waters inside and purging the inner terrain... which is why I drink distilled waters and use urine therapy (the "Taking the piss your own perfect medicine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...&)" thread I started covers that nicely).

I think the liver flush and the urine thread should ideally be tagged as they really do bring balance very quickly and helps improve the bodies ability to protect it self, not just physically, but also psychically and energetically.

[Connecting with Sauce]

This is the funniest thread ever imo, people who only read this stuff do not realize, what is going on here, they see some pictures, secret recipes and some chatting about results.

While when you participate, you are some some dude, standing in your kitchen, scooping Epson in some sort of container/shaker, make measurements, slam the ugly drink down, wonder how long it takes before you have to make a run for it, did I buy toilet paper today, crap, I should have bought some wet ones too, stomach and intestines rumbling, uneasy shifting your butt around in your chair, desperately trying to prevent involuntary sfincterwinking ( at least until you made it the bathroom) and damn, theres another glass coming, and then some juice with oil you have to prepare, mix, see of the consistency is to your liking, drink it, lay down, try to be still ( sometimes clenching your buttcheeks together), taste the exquisite oil and grapefruit in your mouth while laying there, thinking 'there better be stones in that bowl tomorrow, dammit', next day, yep stones, maybe I can scoop them out with a net, that's a big one, I'm gonna poke that one with a stick first, it might still be alive , that should teach it a lesson, ha, and you, nah, not big enough, nope, youre not gonna be in the picture, neither do you, ooooooooo aaaaaaaaaaa look at that one, that's a keeper, you are going to be on the interwebs my little green friend, now lay still, gotta make picture, behold Avalon, my stones are massive, damn, im proud, ha. Good work Ed, good work.

That's my house:o

Our house too...

How many have you done now?

I've done 14. The last two were almost 2 years from the first 12 which I started documenting on PA1's thread mentioned on post number one (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox-Liver-flush&p=56664&viewfull=1#post56664) of this thread.

Our old alcohol cupboard is now full of Epson Salts and other such tonics, clays and mixtures... and I have a few glasses of pee for use with enemas and such in various stages of fermentation / storage. It is a strange world we are in when the "normal" is damaging to our health and the healthy is classed as "wierd", "usually" or "disgusting" ... strong programming has been instilled within us to avoid these things which are so healing and a lot of the things in health food shops have been "tampered" with to make them either not effective or have fillers within them to make them manufacturing "feasible" but the potency is reduced or non-existent when they do... and Aspartame is added or Flavours which are not really traceable...

The thing I like about liver flushing and I have probably posted it in probably a few times... is that Olive Oil and Grapefruits can not really be banned. And getting hold of magnesium salts is easy enough as it is used in spa baths and floatation tanks etc... so really this healing method and the use of whole organic food or foraged wild food... and urine therapy and / or distilled water of > 3-4 Litres over the day is really all we need to get into balance... Know the source of your food... and look for work-a-rounds.

I asked in "Boots" in the UK recently for Castor oil. "THEY" who ever they are have made a statement they no longer recommend it for internal use... so you can now no longer buy it... in Boots anyway.

Knowing what "THEY" are planning is all we should do. Observe what they do, and look for work-a-rounds... and do not get emotionally drawn into this game of fear-porn that some of the alternative media has become.

[Connecting with Sauce]

An update to an old thread ... I realized a couple of days ago that the olive oil and vinegar dressing I was putting on my salads was much the same as the oil and juice mixture used in a liver flush ... only the salad dressing is much tastier. So I this time, in a liver flush I am just completing today, I used the following instead of the 4 oz oil and 6 oz juice:

4 ounces olive oil
2 ounces apple cider vinegar
1/4 tsp each of: salt, pepper, garlic salt, onion flakes, oregano, thyme, basil

Shaken, not stirred (as James Bond would say.)

Yummy. And I now verified, a half day later, that the gallstones are coming out just fine.

Wow... Apple Cider Vinegar may also be easier to get hold of too for some than Citrus fruit!

lol to the Herb dressing :)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

bump..........to compliment the info in the other thread for those who are interested.

Which other thread 778 ? If it is about liver flushing should they not be merged... and maybe tagged as getting the bile inclusions cleared is one of the ways to get "the self" functioning correctly. As is getting pure clean waters inside and purging the inner terrain... which is why I drink distilled waters and use urine therapy (the "Taking the piss your own perfect medicine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...&)" thread I started covers that nicely).

I think the liver flush and the urine thread should ideally be tagged as they really do bring balance very quickly and helps improve the bodies ability to protect it self, not just physically, but also psychically and energetically.

Hi Sauce,

Ah, no merge, that was not my intention, but there's a second thread, I though it might come in handy for the newbie interested ones to see both threads on the same page beneath each other for additional info and yucky pictures. But I understand it might be a bit confusing, so, apologies for that.


Our house too...

How many have you done now?


Thirteen or one less so far, still feel like a weirdo though, I put the Epsom in capsules, makes it a little bit more pricy but a lot less disgusting, so there you go;)

23154

23152

[Connecting with Sauce]

bump..........to compliment the info in the other thread for those who are interested.

Which other thread 778 ? If it is about liver flushing should they not be merged... and maybe tagged as getting the bile inclusions cleared is one of the ways to get "the self" functioning correctly. As is getting pure clean waters inside and purging the inner terrain... which is why I drink distilled waters and use urine therapy (the "Taking the piss your own perfect medicine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...&)" thread I started covers that nicely).

I think the liver flush and the urine thread should ideally be tagged as they really do bring balance very quickly and helps improve the bodies ability to protect it self, not just physically, but also psychically and energetically.

Hi Sauce,

Ah, no merge, that was not my intention, but there's a second thread, I though it might come in handy for the newbie interested ones to see both threads on the same page beneath each other for additional info and yucky pictures. But I understand it might be a bit confusing, so, apologies for that.


Our house too...

How many have you done now?


Thirteen or one less so far, still feel like a weirdo though, I put the Epsom in capsules, makes it a little bit more pricy but a lot less disgusting, so there you go;)

23154

23152

Ah, yes you loose count after a while... I wish I had photographed and documented ALL of the OUTCOME from my liver flushes stopped at ~5 or 6... especially 7-9th ones.. as some really large greens ones came out... one was ~40mm in diameter...
13 and 14th flushes are photographed though...and may do another in the next week or so...

I found the thread : A liver flush diary (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72656-Liver-Flush-Diary--with-photos-&p=877091#post877091)

If people want to see what comes out from one person on the first few liver flushes...

I just recommend people just do it though, rather than reading about it... that is why I contribute on here to help make change and share this knowledge and the more doing it the better. Share and info bomb :)

[bettye198]

The problem with liver detox is that many people still have loads of metal and chemical toxicity and when the detox begins, the health picture shows a health crisis which many tag as healing crisis. The old adage of no pain no gain is folly. Any detox must be very gentle, held with a wise old hand. It has detrimental side effects maybe releasing toxic metals into the system that affect major organs like brain and heart and lungs. Trendy acts like this can be very dangerous. A good naturopathic or advanced nutritional Doc should advise.

[kanishk]

I completed my First liver and Gallbladder cleanse today.

Yesterday when I was taking Epsom salt drinks I was not feeling any diarrhea. In the noon I ate rice and so I took enema just before taking olive oil and nothing came out. Then I drank the olive oil and orange juice mixture and it felt nothing, it just felt similer to drinking regular juce. And then on bed I was expecting some pain, or may be some sensation of those bile stones coming out of liver and gallbladder, but I felt nothing. And I had sound sleep as well.

So today morning I thought this gallbladder cleanse is a failure for me. What would I have done wrong. Then I drank the 3rd Epsom salt portion and was feeling thirsty. So after some time I drank lots of water and pressure started to build. So I was in toilet thinking that what is happening is just like a salt water flush and no gall stones, but I was not looking properly. I realized after some time that there are small green things there.

WOW then I went to toilet many times and lots of green stones, green sand, yellow sand came out. So finally it is a success. My first Liver and gallbladder cleanse.

From last three year I was just waiting for right moment to do this procedure and thinking that I am not getting the time or the proper time to do it. Now I am not afraid and will continue to do flushes continuously till no stones come out in flushes.

[Noir]

Hey Guys,
When I found this post I really got curious about it and looking around I found thhis video that's pretty well explained.
I do not know if this is actually right, but since it seems it could be very important for your health I ll post it here.
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[Ilie Pandia]

Hm... the fact that someone wears a white coat and a stethoscope around their neck, does not make one a doctor. :)

I did try to look her up, but the name "Dr X" it's just to mysterious to find anything useful. Not a good sign. And Dr. X does not inspire a lot of confidence.

Another thing. Her explanation around minute 3 that the oil does not get into the Liver and therefore it cannot clean the liver it's completely silly (not to mention stupid). Nobody claims that the oil gets into the liver. The oil it's only a "stimulant" for the bile to be produced and the gall bladder to contract.

Based on her own explanation any kind of medicine does nothing, 'cause you swallow it and then it goes into the toilet. That's not what a doctor would ever say. As soon as you put things into your mouth, the body starts to prepare itself to receive that substance, be it oil or something else. You can even just smell stuff and feel your internal organs getting ready for digestion. So... the fact that the oil does not get into the liver, that was OBVIOUS for everyone, and that does NOT mean that the oil has no effect on the liver or the gall bladder.

Another thing:

My grandmother had liver problems. Because she was too old to be operated on, her doctor (yes a real doctor, in an office, that signs stuff and responds legally for what he says, not some "YouTube so called doctor" ) told her to drink some oil mixed with lemon juice to stimulate the liver. Indeed, not in so large quantities as the flush recommends, but still. And it was helpful as my grandmother got better and surgery was not needed. Go figure...

For me personally, doing the flushes and the other detox procedures that Andreas Moritz recommended in his book made a major difference in my life, my health and my fitness. So at this point... people can "say" whatever they want :). I have my body as evidence that it helped, and the toxins have been removed. And not everything that go out was green or soft or soapy.

To conclude. This particular liver flush IS NOT for everyone. The way I did it was to read a couple of books about it, test for allergies and get ready to intervene if something goes wrong. I agree, that just by reading something off the Internet and trying it on your body, without properly understanding what are you doing, can be dangerous for your health. So I never did that. I've actually spent a couple of months studying this stuff. And I urge anyone who is looking into changes in their diet and stuff, to actually study this and understand, as best as they can, what their body needs. Even Andreas, in his book, urges people to resist the temptation to jump to the "recipe" and actually read the information.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hm... the fact that someone wears a white coat and a stethoscope around their neck, does not make one a doctor. :)

I did try to look her up, but the name "Dr X" it's just to mysterious to find anything useful. Not a good sign. And Dr. X does not inspire a lot of confidence.

Another thing. Her explanation around minute 3 that the oil does not get into the Liver and therefore it cannot clean the liver it's completely silly (not to mention stupid). Nobody claims that the oil gets into the liver. The oil it's only a "stimulant" for the bile to be produced and the gall bladder to contract.
In my view ... your critique of Dr X's evaluation of liver flushes is accurate, but too kind :).


http://www.earth911.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Mad-cow-cover-image.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

A google search for:


LowFatVeganChef "dr x" liver flush
will find more such material that, in my opinion, is undeserving of direct links here.

[kanishk]

She got more unlikes than likes(almost equal amount) for that video on youtube.

Seems more like a annoying actor than a doctor, that's why she is wearing that white apron. Don't know what she want to express to this world. I think its because of lack of identity she feels, she is assuming others identities, and expressing those using youtube. Continuously bragging about things like she don't know how to make a sketch and something like that.

I watched that video before its posted here on thread. Her sound was so irritating so I thought this video would worth be watched to know what is happening latest on misinforming people about Liver flush on internet.

May be she is getting money for doing all this.

[RunningDeer]

:bump:.....

[East Sun]

I'm going to try that ..... one of these days...........

but I have to know what I'm doing first..........

yes,.....one of these days...............

[DeDukshyn]

More synchronicity ... seeing this thread has been bumped (and Paula is the "messenger" -- thanks :)). My liver needs some work, it's been in questionable shape on and off the last few years ... I just bought a bunch of supplements to try to support it, maybe a flush isn't a bad idea ....

[idiit]

oneradionetwork has some detox articles:

http://oneradionetwork.com/latest/research-confirms-sweating-detoxifies-dangerous-metals-petrochemicals-article-2/

http://oneradionetwork.com/latest/top-25-ways-to-detox-from-pesticides-heavy-metals-and-enviro-toxins-article/

http://oneradionetwork.com/latest/top-25-ways-to-detox-from-pesticides-heavy-metals-and-enviro-toxins-article/

http://oneradionetwork.com/cleansing-and-detox-articles/mini-beet-protocol/

http://oneradionetwork.com/latest/kerosene-universal-healer-article/

http://oneradionetwork.com/latest/link-stress-intestinal-parasites-article/

http://oneradionetwork.com/latest/how-to-cleanse-with-juicing-and-juice-fasting-article/

http://oneradionetwork.com/latest/when-detox-is-dangerous-cellular-and-heavy-metal-detox-done-right-article/

http://oneradionetwork.com/latest/toxic-heavy-metals-making-fat-article/

http://oneradionetwork.com/latest/saunas-next-big-performance-enhancing-drug-article/

http://oneradionetwork.com/health-articles/clays-differ-2/

more at detox articles listing page:

http://oneradionetwork.com/cleansing-and-detox-articles/

[avid]

Every time this thread is revived, I feel guilty! The terrible suffering of those who have contributed visually over the years amazes me! The graphic images!!! Dare I tread this ghastly path to purity...? I couldn't possibly publicise it, but kudos to those who have proven beyond doubt it is worth doing. (You know who you are ;-) )

[Jean-Marie]

Hello Everyone!

Last year when everyone was participating in the liver flush, I would read with great amusement, never realizing that I needed to do this.

About 2 weeks ago I was feeling ill. I thought I was coming down with flu symptoms. About a week ago it culminated in a full blown gallbladder attack. I used apple cider vinegar in water as well as Milk Thistle extract in water to diminish the pain. The pain was so bad last Sunday morning, I thought I would have to to the Emergency Room! Bill Ryan directed me to this thread for help. I drank about 64 ounces of Apple Juice a day and kept my meals to one bowl of brown rice and fresh stir fry vegetables during that time. I felt ill every time I would eat. I saw my doctor who agreed to let me do my own healing and be there for me in case I failed. I have taken off over 50 pounds since last May trying to get healthier. My doctor said it was not uncommon for gallbladder issues to present itself after dropping that much weight.

I started the liver cleanse on Thursday evening. I passed a lot of small stones and about 5-7 penny size ones, 1 as big as a quarter.

Now the questions are, How much apple juice can I drink per day? How frequent can I do this? I still feel pinching in the gallbladder and I know there are more. How many times should I repeat the process before feeling I am in the clear?

I love the way the guys who have posted on this thread are fearless and posted all their stone pictures. I couldn't bring myself to retrieving them and doing that! Herve (The Avalon Scientist) made me laugh so hard with his dissection photo's!

This is such an important thread, I only wish I had thought of trying this before my health was in trouble. But the first round was not too bad! I can eat now without feeling nausea and pain.

If anyone has an opinion in regards to my questions, I really would appreciate hearing it!

Thank you!

-jean-marie

[ThePythonicCow]

If anyone has an opinion in regards to my questions, I really would appreciate hearing it!
It's been a while since I did several liver flushes, but my (perhaps fading) recollection is that I would drink lots of apple juice in the 5 to 7 days before doing the actual flush, with the Epsom salts and the oil. The apple juice would soften up the liver deposits. Then I'd take a break from the apple juice and flushes for 3 or 4 weeks, before doing it again (a week of apple juice followed by the actual flush.)

See, for example, my post of a couple years ago: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71677-Chemtrails-Raining-DIAMONDS--&p=837878&viewfull=1#post837878

[Hervé]

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I can eat now without feeling nausea and pain.
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-jean-marie

:clapping: That's very good!

with my jaundice (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox-Liver-flush&p=552916&viewfull=1#post552916), I followed Andreas Moritz (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox-Liver-flush&p=616524&viewfull=1#post616524) for the apple juice (6 days @ 32 oz/day):


What might have helped passing the big ones without trouble is that, for the last four days of the apple juice regimen, I switched to taking 1-2 TBS of apple cider vinegar (with "Mother") with apple juice as it was getting more difficult for me to ingest 6 glasses of apple juice a day. 4 glasses are more to my taste.
Drink 32 oz. of packaged apple juice (or see other options below) per day for a period of six days: (You may drink more than that if it feels comfortable to do so.) The malic acid in the apple juice softens the gallstones and makes their passage through the bile ducts smooth and easy. The apple juice has a strong cleansing effect.... and Hulda Clark for the frequency of the flushes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox-Liver-flush&p=607592&viewfull=1#post607592) (every 2 weeks) until the estimated 2000 concretions got out :)

I kept with the apple juice regimen in-between the bi-weekly flushes till done.

The next time I experienced one of these gallbladder attacks, having learnt from the first one and its unbearable abdominal pain, I took a dose of that Epsom Salt + water to ease the pain (magnesium is a muscle relaxant) as an emergency pain reliever. Then proceeded with the regular flush protocol.

Hope this answer your question?

[Bill Ryan]

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Just for the record (and I was operating by intuition only!): When I did my own liver cleanses, I drank 2-3 liters of apple juice a day (that's 70-100 fl.oz) for 3-4 days before the cleanse. (Not a problem! I like it. :) )

The thing to note here is that one can't possibly overdo the apple juice. It's not possible to overdose. As I understand it [basically]: the more, the better.

[Shannon]

Sweet. I love appy juice (as my little nephew calls it) and plan on setting up a cleanse :)

Are those stones coming from the front or the back? And is it painful to pass?

You guys can feel free to tell me to read the full thread and stop asking stupid questions :D

[Jean-Marie]

Sweet. I love appy juice (as my little nephew calls it) and plan on setting up a cleanse :)

Are those stones coming from the front or the back? And is it painful to pass?

You guys can feel free to tell me to read the full thread and stop asking stupid questions :D

Liver and Gallbladder through the back and not painful, except I do say I felt weak with the cleanse.

Kidney bladder through the front!

-jean-marie

[Bill Ryan]

Sweet. I love appy juice (as my little nephew calls it) and plan on setting up a cleanse :)

Are those stones coming from the front or the back? And is it painful to pass?

You guys can feel free to tell me to read the full thread and stop asking stupid questions :D

No, not painful in any way. It's all very simple. The hardest part is glugging down the olive oil. :facepalm:

It's actually pretty difficult to mess it up. The process is


easy to understand
easy to do (just get the quantities and timings right... the apple juice is kind of a separate preparation/set-up thing, and the quantities and timings of that aren't really critical at all as long as you drink a lot of it)
(as I understand it) harmless.

No idea where all the stones are coming from! :bigsmile: But OMG, they have to be interfering with liver function in some way... as I understand it, they block up the bile ducts, so the liver has to work harder. It's like a workhorse that's pulling a heavier load than it has to.

Regular cleanses are recommended... we all have these stones. Like any detox regime, it's not just for people who are sick. It's for people who are very healthy, too, and who want to stay that way. :star:

Regarding frequency, every two weeks seems like a bit of a stressor to me — but whatever works, and whatever one can easily handle.

[Kari Lynn]

I went through gall bladder surgery in 2008. I tried the vinegar and oil, but at that point, my gall bladder had already ruptured, from doctors misdiagnosing the problem.
I can say the symptoms I had was severe nausea, couldn't hold down food or water and pain up under the right breast and chest area. At one point almost feels like a heart attack.
If the pain is in the back, I believe that would be kidney stones. I've heard they are very painful too.
I hear that the same cleanse will work for both type of stones though.
Good luck and feel better soon.

I also turned as yellow as a banana too. Jaundice, as bile ducts were blocked by stones.

[Hervé]

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(as I understand it) harmless.

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According to Hulda Clark:


How safe is the liver cleanse? It is very safe (http://www.curezone.com/faq/p/r.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=1). My opinion is based on over 500 cases, including many persons in their seventies and eighties. None went to the hospital; none even reported pain. However it can make you feel quite ill for one or two days afterwards, although in every one of these cases the maintenance parasite program had been neglected. This is why the instructions direct you to complete the parasite and kidney cleanse programs first.
Regarding frequency, every two weeks seems like a bit of a stressor to me — but whatever works, and whatever one can easily handle.I actually did that - ^^^ - on my first series of flushes since I was dealing with a severely clogged plumbing system (jaundice). Afterwards, I "relaxed" on that spacing :)

[Bill Ryan]

I hear that the same cleanse will work for both type of stones though.


Not as best I know! The liver cleanse protocols won't do a thing for kidney stones. It's all a different mechanism.

This is a separate topic (and a separate thread!) — unless someone's already mentioned it. The kidney cleanse that really seems to work is based on asparagus and coca-cola (http://getwellstaywellathome.com/blog/2012/03/kidney-stone-flush)... not a joke. Phosphoric acid acts on the kidney stones, and simply dissolves them.

:focus:

[RunningDeer]

You guys can feel free to tell me to read the full thread and stop asking stupid questions :D
I dug out my notes. I followed Andreas Moritz protocol. The only thing I switched up was I found it easier to begin in the daytime rather than evening.

It’s worth the time to read his book:


The Liver and Gallbladder Miracle Cleanse: An All-Natural, At-Home Flush to Purify and Rejuvenate Your Body (http://www.amazon.com/Liver-Gallbladder-Miracle-Cleanse-All-Natural-ebook/dp/B003ODHONG/ref=sr_1_4?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1460854456&sr=1-4&keywords=Andreas+Moritz), by Andreas Moritz

Andreas Moritz's free eBook with a chapter on the liver gallbladder cleanse: "Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation”. (http://j.b5z.net/i/u/7000617/f/Timeless_Secrets_of_Health_and_Rejuvenation_NOV_2007_eBook.pdf)


UPDATE:

I used Hulda Clark's method (http://www.falconblanco.com/health/cleansing/liver.html). It’s less complicated, with two major differences from Andreas Moritz way: no six day apple juice prep or enemas.

Here's the basic template:

6:00 p.m. - 1st epsom
8:00 p.m. - 2nd epsom

10:00 p.m. - *oil/juice (I used cold orange juice)

6:00 a.m. - 3rd epsom
8:00 a.m. - 4th epsom

10:00 a.m. - juice
10:30 a.m. - fruit
11:30 a.m. - regular food (keep it light)

Quick reference:

For efficiency, I make one batch and divide it into four = 1/4c of epsom salts + 24 oz (710mL). Single dose = 1T/6 oz (177mL)

oil/juice = 4 oz (1/2 c) extra virgin olive oil and 6 oz (3/4 c) juice, and shake 20 times. LAY DOWN IMMEDIATELY - flat on your back or on right side. Raised head with pillow. Lay still 20 minutes with attention on liver.

[Tenzin]

I cleaned out the liver in 30+ flushes, a little over 3 years. Stuck to it religiously till the day no more 'stones' came out.

I have since moved on to water fasting; this is the modality that really clean the system completely. It is perhaps the only method to dig all the way in to rid us of those toxins that just refuse to come out, and cleaning the liver, kidneys, removing parasites and moving the lymph ensures the toxins that come out do not clog up because they are not working adequately...

Can take a really long time depending on how much healing we need to work through, and how much we are capable of handling.

[RunningDeer]

Another health maintenance thread: My experience of taking Hydrogen Peroxide 35% food grade, diluted in water
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71893-My-experience-of-taking-Hydrogen-Peroxide-35-food-grade-diluted-in-water)
Snippet from post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71893-My-experience-of-taking-Hydrogen-Peroxide-35-food-grade-diluted-in-water&p=848305&viewfull=1#post848305):



…“True Power of Hydrogen Peroxide: Miracle Path to Wellness (http://www.powerofhydrogenperoxide.com),” by Mary Wright. (2014 Edition) Her protocol is different than in the OP.

The 144 page book came with 1 Quart 35% Food Grade H2o2, and an amber glass dropper bottle @ PureHealthDiscounts.com (http://www.purehealthdiscounts.com).

And from this site:

The Many Benefits of Hydrogen Peroxide (http://educate-yourself.org/cancer/benefitsofhydrogenperozide17jul03.shtml), by Dr. David G. Williams



Several of the most common ailments now affecting our population are directly related to oxygen starvation. Asthma, emphysema, lung disease, constipation, diarrhea, intestinal parasites, bowel cancer, periodontal disease. Cancer of all forms continues to increase. Immune system disorders are sweeping the globe: chronic fatigue, "Yuppie Flu" and hundreds of other strange viral diseases.

The following is only a partial listing of conditions in which H202 therapy has been used successfully.



Allergies

Headaches

Altitude Sickness

Herpes Simplex

Alzheimer's

Herpes Zoster

Anemia

HIV Infection

Arrhythmia

Influenza

Asthma

Insect Bites

Bacterial Infections

Liver Cirrhosis

Bronchitis

Lupus

Erythematosis

Cancer

Multiple Sclerosis

Candida

Parasitic Infections

Cardiovascular Disease

Parkinsonism

Cerebral Vascular Disease

Periodontal Disease

Chronic Pain

Prostatitis

Diabetes Type 11

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Diabetic

Gangrene

Shingles

Diabetic

Retinopahty

Sinusitis

Digestion Problems

Sore Throat

Epstein-Barr

Infection

Ulcers

Emphysema

Viral Infections

Food Allergies

Warts

Fungal Infections

Yeast Infections

Gingivitis

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[Shannon]

RunningDeer, my homegirl...thank you so much! The info you posted is super helpful , i will be healthier and happier because of you :)

Why are you so dam information efficient ? ;) got any recipes for that?

[RunningDeer]

RunningDeer, my homegirl...thank you so much! The info you posted is super helpful , i will be healthier and happier because of you :)
Your welcome and continued health to you, ST, hubby and All that happen by. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/wind14_zpsdciucqpc.GIF


Why are you so dam information efficient ? ;) got any recipes for that?

Anal retentive. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/delete_zpsk6bycz0n.GIF(pun intended) I cancel it out with behaviors like:

unmade bed
messy sock draw
clothes piled on the special chair
leave the toilet seat up

Kidding aside. Often, as part of my process into the unknown, I gather and organize. Small, incremental steps make it less daunting and create a successful finale.

Or…it just means I’m stalling to do that pressing thing I promised myself to do.


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http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/retentive_zpsrodv6ofi.jpg

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[Jean-Marie]

I have done a lot more reading, Dr. Hulda Clark's website is very informative. Today I am starting the parasite detox which she suggests should be done first. According to her instructions, the liver cleanse will only remove the dead parasites and will not remove the live ones or the eggs. I do not know if I have parasites, but the object here is to get the digestive system working top notch to have the best health possible.

For the removal of parasites, I bought a bottle of Black Walnut Hull-wormwood-clove complex.

After the parasite cleanse, the kidney cleanse should be done second. Bill provided a link in an earlier post that eliminates the kidney stones http://www.getwellstaywellathome.com/symptom.aspx?recid=346

Then the liver cleanse will remove all the stones and the parasites that can cause the liver flukes.

-jean-marie

[RunningDeer]

I have done a lot more reading, Dr. Hulda Clark's website is very informative. Today I am starting the parasite detox which she suggests should be done first. According to her instructions, the liver cleanse will only remove the dead parasites and will not remove the live ones or the eggs. I do not know if I have parasites, but the object here is to get the digestive system working top notch to have the best health possible.

For the removal of parasites, I bought a bottle of Black Walnut Hull-wormwood-clove complex.

After the parasite cleanse, the kidney cleanse should be done second. Bill provided a link in an earlier post that eliminates the kidney stones http://www.getwellstaywellathome.com/symptom.aspx?recid=346

Then the liver cleanse will remove all the stones and the parasites that can cause the liver flukes.

-jean-marie

Jean-Marie, purity soon alls that’ll be left is an echo in that 'spic and span' avatar.http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/smileys-smiley-with-sign-071744_zpszlbmiquj.GIF

[David Hughes]

I did my 2nd liver/gallbladder flush today.

I used this method:

http://www.falconblanco.com/health/cleansing/liver.html

It's fairly straightforward and self-explanatory and it works.

I did the Epsom salt with water rather than grapefruit juice or apple juice and I used freshly squeezed limes with the olive oil rather than grapefruit juice. The Epsom salt and water mix tastes like you are drinking ear wax or something but the olive oil and lime potion was even worse for me.

On the first flush, the first 2 Epsom salt drinks produced no symptoms of note other than a bit of bowel gurgling. That morning I had bananas and raisins for breakfast, and a papaya and raisins for lunch. I ate nothing after 12pm. When I lay down on the bed after the olive oil/lime drink at 10pm, my liver/gallbladder/abdomen region immediately started to spasm. This was neither painful or pleasant and it continued in waves every 5 minutes or so until I fell asleep after about 2 hours of observing it. It feels like you are gonna have to run to the bathroom for a major bout of diarrhea at any minute but you don't end up having to go until the next morning.

The next morning I drank the first Epsom salt water drink at 6am and passed a solid stool right away. I had a feeling of nausea and a headache and felt quite weak so I went back to bed to lie down. More rumbling and gurgling in my bowels. I passed a semi solid stool at 7am, went back to bed and then drank the final Epsom salt water drink at 8am. This was not easy. Horrible taste.

I immediately had to go to the bathroom after this and that was where I spent the next 2 and a half hours with about 2 dozen bowel movements during that time, all diarrhea. I passed about 300 small stones in total with around 50 larger ones about the size of a chickpea or almond. The 300 smaller ones were a pea green colour and the larger ones all emerald green. They were all soft and waxy. Here's a picture of some of the bigger ones:

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After all this I was fairly sapped of energy so didn't venture outside until the next day. I drank the first set of potions on Friday night and passed the stones Saturday morning so I had the rest of the weekend to recover. I was back to normal by Saturday evening. I wouldnt advise doing the flush if you have to work or go anywhere the day after you do the olive oil mix. Do it on Friday or Saturday and use the next day to recover your energy at home.

I then waited 2 weeks and did the 2nd flush this morning. I did everything the same except for the Epsom salt water this morning. I only used half the suggested amount of Epsom salt because the diarrhea on the first flush was so intense. The taste was far easier to stomach. I had a solid bowel movement straight away at 6am and another one at 7am. I then had mild diarrhea at 8am after the final glass of Epsom water and again at 9am but no stones passed. Around 9.30 the stones started passing every 15 minutes or so rather than every 5 minutes the way they did on the first flush. The trade off was that instead of the stones being all pooped out by 10:30am as they were on the first flush, the final stone didn't pass until 1:30pm. I felt far less dehydrated and nauseous though so it was worth it for me. I would highly recommend sipping on a litre or two of water while you are passing the stones between 8am and midday. I did this on today's flush and felt much better because of it.

There were fewer stones in today's second flush but the large ones were about twice the size as the large ones in the first flush. The size of Brazil nuts rather than almonds. I flushed out about 150 smaller pea green ones and about 50 of the larger emerald green types. There was no pain whatsoever when they were passing. Here's a photo of some of today's larger stones:

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[RunningDeer]

I did the Epsom salt with water rather than grapefruit juice or apple juice and I used freshly squeezed limes with the olive oil rather than grapefruit juice.

Thanks, David.

Note, in the Andreas Moritz protocol the epsom salts is not mixed with apple juice. The apple juice or it’s substitute - apple cider vinegar - is used six days out to soften the stones.

Your method is less complicated. I’d go with yours but include the Bragg’s apple cider vinegar prep phase. I agree about the olive oil. It’s the hardest to chug down. I used orange juice rather than grapefruit juice.

[BMJ]

I by passed this thread so many times, but since I have had two consecutive cholestrol readings of 6.6 and 6.7 with high bad cholestrol levels, I thought I would spend the time reading threw the detox program, im glad I did because should help to reduce my cholestrol level amongst all the other benefits listed here .

Thank you to all the contributors to this thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

I by passed this thread so many times, but since I have had two consecutive cholestrol readings of 6.6 and 6.7 with high bad cholestrol levels, I thought I would spend the time reading threw the detox program, im glad I did because should help to reduce my cholestrol level amongst all the other benefits listed here .

Thank you to all the contributors to this thread.

I would suggest that the goal regarding cholesterol should not be to reduce it, but rather to determine why it's "high" and address that, in a healthy way.

Cholesterol is an essential part of our bodies ... absolutely essential ... and the body makes more of it when there is a need, such as from an unhealthy condition of the blood or gut or some tissues, often related to our diet not suiting our body well.

I like to put it like this:
Imagine a big wig politician noticing, as he is driven around in his limousine, that he often hears of fatalities on the highways occurring just where he happened to see an ambulance beside the road. So he proposes a bill to ban ambulances from the roads. Duh! The lipoproteins (which is what a typical blood cholesterol test is actually measuring) are like the trucks and ambulances and other such service and transportation vehicles on our highways ... absolutely essential to our present day economy. Liproproteins carry vital cholesterol to and from the brain, liver, and other various tissues of the body.

[RunningDeer]

I by passed this thread so many times, but since I have had two consecutive cholestrol readings of 6.6 and 6.7 with high bad cholestrol levels, I thought I would spend the time reading threw the detox program, im glad I did because should help to reduce my cholestrol level amongst all the other benefits listed here .

Thank you to all the contributors to this thread.

I would suggest that the goal regarding cholesterol should not be to reduce it, but rather to determine why it's "high" and address that, in a healthy way.

Cholesterol is an essential part of our bodies ... absolutely essential ... and the body makes more of it when there is a need, such as from an unhealthy condition of the blood or gut or some tissues, often related to our diet not suiting our body well.

I like to put it like this:
Imagine a big wig politician noticing, as he is driven around in his limousine, that he often hears of fatalities on the highways occurring just where he happened to see an ambulance beside the road. So he proposes a bill to ban ambulances from the roads. Duh! The lipoproteins (which is what a typical blood cholesterol test is actually measuring) are like the trucks and ambulances and other such service and transportation vehicles on our highways ... absolutely essential to our present day economy. Liproproteins carry vital cholesterol to and from the brain, liver, and other various tissues of the body.

Whew...thanks for posting, Paul. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/cow_zpsdjmouaos.GIF

After reading BMJ's post, I pulled out all my information and got overwhelmed about passing how much and which sites, books, posts, videos. I’m still in training on how to temper the don’t overload everyone with information gene.

Add to that, this past winter I went into information overload (enjoyed every moment of it) on the right foods. I came away with there's a heck-of-a-lot of conflicting information. It reinforced how everyone needs to research, experiment for themselves AND be willing to change-up their beliefs. Take for example, the Nutritionfacts.org (http://nutritionfacts.org/?s=cholesterol) is seven pages deep with with videos, studies and information on cholesterol alone.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/2mo5pow_zps9vhsc4hc.GIF

I'll sneak in this one bit...exercise is an important component. To stay motivated, I'll pull out a couple of my Covert Bailey’s books (http://www.amazon.com/Covert-Bailey/e/B000APWV6Q/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1) as a reminder to use it, or loose it.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/wip-1_zpsqvwkbw2t.GIF

[BMJ]

Hi Paul and Runingdear,
Firstly thank you, I understand the good versus bad cholesterol ratio and also the need for cholesterol. I have neglected my health for a while doing all the bad things like not exercising, sleeping right or eating right . So I am redressing this by changing my life style, doctors orders. As to cause I am still reading up on this.
My doctor suggested exercising I took it a step further by trying to get between 6-8 hours sleep, eating right going back to my salad lunches, snacking on nuts and dry fruit and cutting out ice cream, biscuits and chocolate bars etc. So after doing what I was meant to do, which I will continue with, I get a second reading after three months of 6.7. I thought I would have lowered my cholestrol and would be on the right track with my change in life style, but I was shocked about the second reading of 6.7.

So I thought I would take a look at this thread and after reading about the benefits of liver detox it seemed like a good idea. The detox will not redress my cholestrol level but it will clean my liver and gall bladder and this may have a flow on affect in relation to my cholestrol.
In the mean time I will continue to investigate possible causes for high cholestrol and compare the causes to my life style and continue to make positive changes.

[RunningDeer]

You guys can feel free to tell me to read the full thread and stop asking stupid questions :D
I used Hulda Clark's method (http://www.falconblanco.com/health/cleansing/liver.html). It’s less complicated, with two major differences from Andreas Moritz way: no six day apple juice prep nor enemas.

Here's the basic template:

6:00 p.m. - 1st epsom
8:00 p.m. - 2nd epsom

10:00 p.m. - *oil/juice (I used cold orange juice)

6:00 a.m. - 3rd epsom
8:00 a.m. - 4th epsom

10:00 a.m. - juice
10:30 a.m. - fruit
11:30 a.m. - regular food (keep it light)

Quick reference:

Epsom salt - mix 1/4c of epsom salts + 24 oz filter water, divide into 4 mason jar (4/6oz servings)

oil/juice = 4 oz (1/2 c) extra virgin olive oil and 6 oz (3/4 c) juice, and shake 20 times. LAY DOWN IMMEDIATELY - flat on your back or on right side. Raised head with pillow. Lay still 20 minutes with attention on liver.

[David Hughes]

How did you get on with it RunningDeer?

For clarification, it's not my own method. As far as im aware its Hulda Clark's. Here it is again for anyone interested:

http://www.falconblanco.com/health/cleansing/liver.html

I came across several flushes while searching the internet and this one was by far the most straightforward. Another thing I should mention is that ive been eating nothing but fruit for 6 months straight so I figured my bowels were in decent enough shape to pass the stones without the need for any prep phase.

BMJ - I got my blood-work done after 3 months on the fruit and my cholesterol dropped 36% - from 6.1 to 3.9 without any liver flush.

I get that 6 months on fruit is a bit on the extreme side and not practical for most folk but my own opinion is that lying on your back having your chest cut open by a stranger is far more extreme. Eat more fruit, veg, herbs, lay off the fast food and deserts, ditch the processed food, ditch the meat, avoid dairy (cheese, milk, cream, butter etc), and lower your portions of complex carbs (bread, rice, pasta etc). If you must have complex carbs try and eat more wholegrain rather than the processed white stuff. Do all that for 3 months and throw in a bit of exercise and meditation and your cholesterol numbers will come right down.

Back to the flush.....

These are the measurements I used for anyone unfamiliar with ounces and cups.

I put 2 tablespoons of Epsom salt in a 500ml glass and poured in 375mls of water and stirred it until the salt dissolved. I then marked where half the liquid was on the glass.

6pm: I drank half the liquid
8pm: I drank the second half

I then made another glass for the morning, this time with only 1 tablespoon of Epsom salt in 375mls of water.

At 9:15pm I began squeezing the limes for 125mls of juice. I needed 5 limes. I'd highly recommend using orange juice or grapefruit juice instead though because the sour taste combined with the oil is nasty. I cleaned up the mess and got ready for bed after making the oil/lime potion. At 10pm I drank it and lay down on my right side immediately for 2 hours moving as little as possible.

6am the next morning: I drank half the Epsom salt water glass.
8am: I drank the second half.
9am-11.30am: 2 litres of water
12pm lunch: Fruit
4pm dinner: 2kgs of papaya, 500g of soursop and a handful of sun dried raisins for desert :)

[BMJ]

Thanks David and Runningdear,
I'm looking forward to your results David. Thanks for the dietary information also.

Regards Boris

[Bill Ryan]

I like to put it like this:
Imagine a big wig politician noticing, as he is driven around in his limousine, that he often hears of fatalities on the highways occurring just where he happened to see an ambulance beside the road. So he proposes a bill to ban ambulances from the roads. Duh!

This is unashamedly off-topic, and deserves a thread of its own — but I can't resist:

True story: there was a woman a few years ago who thought that the DANGER: Deer Crossing signs on highways were for the deer to read, not for the motorists. She started a campaign to get them moved, because they were in unsafe places. There's a YouTube video of a radio interview she was on when she finally realized, live on air, that the signs were actually not to tell the deer where to cross. Really, really true.

:focus:

[RunningDeer]

How did you get on with it RunningDeer?

For clarification, it's not my own method. As far as im aware its Hulda Clark's. Here it is again for anyone interested:

http://www.falconblanco.com/health/cleansing/liver.html


I then made another glass for the morning, this time with only 1 tablespoon of Epsom salt in 375mls of water.

A-okay, Dave :thumb: Yes, I saw Hulda Clark (http://www.falconblanco.com/health/cleansing/liver.html) at the bottom. I’ll add that link to the other post.

From what I can tell, the difference is you cut the epsom down by half for the last two servings. I prefer to not to reduce the epsom salt on the second day because I want a thorough flushing of the stones.

All four doses were equivalent, i.e. epsom/water = 1T/6 oz (177mL)

As mentioned, for efficiency, I make one batch and divide it into four = 1/4c of epsom salts + 24 oz (710mL).

I mixed chilled orange juice with the oil right before I drank. It wasn’t as bad as the epsom drink.

[RunningDeer]

This is unashamedly off-topic, and deserves a thread of its own — but I can't resist:

True story: there was a woman a few years ago who thought that the DANGER: Deer Crossing signs on highways were for the deer to read, not for the motorists. She started a campaign to get them moved, because they were in unsafe places. There's a YouTube video of a radio interview she was on when she finally realized, live on air, that the signs were actually not to tell the deer where to cross. Really, really true.

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On the 2nd vid below, "Rest of the Story", Donna the Deer Lady requested that they take down the link so it will all go away. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/4fvgdaq_th_zpsi0gzzd0e.GIF


Please Move The Deer Crossing
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Donna The Deer Lady - The Rest of the Story
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[Starlight22]

Hi David,

Thanks for sharing this info with everyone. I've done Hulda Clark's liver/gallbladder detox 3 times and I just wanted to share a couple of things that are worth mentioning for anyone that is new to this type of cleanse. As you mentioned, it is important for you to do it on a weekend or to make sure you don't have to work the next day because you need the rest and you will not have energy to do much. Also, I was told by a nutritionist that you want to eat a light, no-fat breakfast and lunch (preferably a baked potato, cooked cereal or fruit) the morning of the cleanse, that way you allow the bile to build up pressure in the liver and this will help push out more stones.

Very important: The day after the detox (after the last dose), make sure you drink plenty of water and eat VERY lightly. Remember you are passing all those gallstones through your system.

Thanks again for sharing!!

[Bill Ryan]

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[Inversion]

Brb ,will throw a fish oil gel cap in warm water to see how fast it dissolves

I updated my previous post too, check it out.

I've flipped the routine around so that I drink the oil at 10:00 am rather than 10:00 pm.

The same goes for the oil mixture! Only one time I drank that thing cold and it was nasty! I usually had no problem with the oil mixture at all.
An update to an old thread ... I realized a couple of days ago that the olive oil and vinegar dressing I was putting on my salads was much the same as the oil and juice mixture used in a liver flush ... only the salad dressing is much tastier. So I this time, in a liver flush I am just completing today, I used the following instead of the 4 oz oil and 6 oz juice:

4 ounces olive oil
2 ounces apple cider vinegar
1/4 tsp each of: salt, pepper, garlic salt, onion flakes, oregano, thyme, basil

Shaken, not stirred (as James Bond would say.)

Yummy. And I now verified, a half day later, that the gallstones are coming out just fine.

I took some oil of oregano this morning with a package of Emergen-C (https://kingsrxandwellness.com/product/emergen-c-immune-raspberry-packets-10ct/) and I pinged on one of Bill's posts suggesting a cheaper brand.

Inflation: How Much Did You Spend? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118919-Inflation-How-Much-Did-You-Spend&p=1525498&viewfull=1#post1525498)

UpNature (https://upnature.com/products/wild-oregano-oil-huge-4oz-bottle-pure-undiluted-unfiltered-oil-of-oregano-helps-relieve-colds-coughs-sore-throats-combats-candida-oregano-essential-oil-with-dropper-4-oz) sells their 4oz bottle of oregano oil for $9.99. (That's the brand I use all the time. )