Liver detox / Liver flush

[morguana]

Thought to pop connecting with sauce's thread from av1 here, incase any of you folks would like to give it a go.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16447&highlight=liver

am on the vegan lots of apple juice diet atm (cheeeeese, oh how I long for you) in prep for the nasty mixtures at the end of the week. Epsom salt and oil slammers anyone ;)

M

[Kulapops]

Sounds like a riot ! Can I have a go too ?? :)

[Fredkc]

oil slammers anyone ?

Sorry, I couldn't even get close to something called an "oil slammer" without at least 4 shots of
http://tretola.com/work/img/cuervo_logo.jpg

All the liver detox the law allows ;)
Fred

Note to Kula: Tequila won't do much to detox the liver, but it does wonders for what everyone's guitar playing sounds like. :)

[Kulapops]

Well.. I thought it was only brandy that came with a five star rating, Fred ?

:)

[Swami]

Dont know if this is for the liver but it is a way to detox...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?t=5958

[sunnyrap]

I too am advised to stay off dairy, so I looked for good substitutes. Goat cheese is far more digestible for humans, btw. You can buy goat cream and milk, also, but I prefer almond milk, hemp milk and coconut milk, all of which are good for most bodies. I also was advised to stay away from grains (ouch! I LOVE bread) because I could no longer digest them. However, a little research later, I discover that sprouted grain breads change the nature of grains and are much more digestible. More expensive, so I use it sparingly, but satisfies my bread crave.

[morguana]

Hehe kula, I will try to remember 4 organic pink grapefruits, slammers won't taste soooo mmmm without them.

Fred I think your drinks may be needed afterwards, need something to get over the shock!!!

Swami, cheers for the info on Zeolites, will look into this in more detail

a drink I have been making (like to mix and make in my kitchen) is apple juice mixed with beetroot juice, a good slug of lemon, orange and milk thistle......tastes quite nice :)

love
m

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Sunnyrap do you have a recipe for sprouted grain bread? Sounds delish
m

[Kulapops]

That drink sounds lovely Morguana.. isn't it very heavy though? Probably have to take great care when lifting it...

Would be a nice idea to post that alternative link you found from curezone Morguana... give people a balanced view if they are thinking of dropping the bottom out of their bottom

;)

I must add though, I've seen others rubbish people like Raymond Francis and Colin Campbell (The China Study) on so-called 'scientific' sites. I think we just have to accept that everybody has an editorial perspective. Of course Andreas M is only going to say good things about his writings... and scientific sites are going to equally look to doubt any claims.

It's always our decision as to what to believe in the end....

Still, proof of the pudding is in the speed at which the Epsom salts deliver it through your bowels I always say...

Thanks for porting the thread from Av1... has made me nostalgic...

K

[john.d]

This is a great book about the liver flush by Andreas Moritz :
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Amazing-Liver-Gallbladder-Flush/dp/0976571501
Loads of good info in there .
I only managed to do 3 flushes though ..... The thought of olive oil/grapefruit juice then epsom salts starts my gip reflex these days .
Got a couple of hundred stones out each time though (some were quite big) so must have done some good :)

John

[morguana]

http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp
there you go kula (cheeky monkey re heavy!!!) :) always good to read around any given subject to be able
to make an informed and balanced choice.

Thank you john for the link and sharing your experience
love
m

[Connecting with Sauce]

Hi Morguana,

Thanks for the reminder :) I need to do another liver flush, it's been a few months since my last one (flush no. 10). As I had a break to do the HCG drop weight loss and life got in the way!

I've also been rebounding regularly which is an extremely good lymphatic pumper / cleanser as the change in acceleration on the bounce pumps the lymphatic fluid.

For those which dismiss the flush as just soap made from the oil and salt really need to read the part I posted about the liver flukes/parasites which came out on my 4th flush... Photos and details are on the second page of thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16447&page=2) :)

Summary... these came out ~2 hours after the other green stones of flush 4 and the few green stones here must have been shutting down a section of my liver "protecting" the rest of my liver from these flukes. As the stones unblocked due to flush, these all came out. Note: At this point of the flush no food has been in you for almost 24 hours so is not food related and can't be explained by the soap made by oil/grapefruit/salt by the quackwatch nayslayers trying to steer people away from good health...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/jonnoshore/RIMG0039.jpg

[chelmostef]

Still, those pictures are Gross!! That is some flush!!!

If you don't mind me asking, what are biggest benefits? And what are the biggest downsides? Do you feel noticeably different once doing these?

[Connecting with Sauce]

Hi Stef,

Digestion improves massively. Getting more regular. You're immune system is in the gut so it is one of the best things for the immune system. It improves bile flow, which is what aids digestion. Most are blocked and food processes slowly and there intestines end up being acidic as the bile (alkaline) neutralises the stomach acid... I'd recommend spending the £6 on Andreas Moritz's book and reading the benefits.

Numerous guests on Patrick Timpone's www.oneradionetwork.com (amazing site) advocate the benefits of good bile flow and getting th bile inclusions out and the liver functioning correctly... David Jubb, Andreas Moritz, to name 2 guests which discuss this regularly...

John

[morguana]

Yep could clearly see the health benifits of doing this, john you radiated glowing health at Avebury :)
am a little anxious as have never done anything like this before, have given 100's of enemas in the past, but never diy.
But will be in the hands of someone whom has, so that makes one feel better. When I first heard about this procedure I
thought yuk! Was sent the link to your thread on av1......still thought eek....but the nosey scientist in me is wondering exactly what will be flushed out of my liver....will be interesting!

Also the health benifits far out way the discomfort from what I can see.
So fingers crossed Friday will go with a bang ;) or at least a pop :)

it's not just beauty sleep one needs
good luck john on your 10th
love
m

[Connecting with Sauce]

It will be no.11 :) For me the worst part is the Epson Salts (Tesco's Pharm. do large 2kg boxes for £5).

I also filter my water from Fluoride, eat good food and do quite a bit of Yoga/Tia Chi and try and avoid stress :) but I did this before flushing and people actually commented on a step change in health improvement from the flushes... People wouldn't guest I'm 39 :)

[Kulapops]

... or a poop !

[morguana]

Hi folks thought I might report back (without piccys ;) ), well it wasn't as scary as I thought :), friend arrived Wednesday and we did the enema thing (just to clear out colon) that in itself was interesting as I have done 100,s of these on patents during my nursey days but never experienced one myself. It's a strange mix of holding on and relaxing

[Connecting with Sauce]

Any ideas what has happened to AV1?... I thought it was going to remain as a reference resource...

[Fredkc]

Start here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/index.php :)
Fred

[Connecting with Sauce]

Fred, Still doesn't work. to get into the health / alternative medicine section http://projectavalon.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=51

"FORUM IS DOWN TEMPORARILY" that is AV1...

[Connecting with Sauce]

Hi folks thought I might report back (without piccys ;) ), well it wasn't as scary as I thought :), friend arrived Wednesday and we did the enema thing (just to clear out colon) that in itself was interesting as I have done 100,s of these on patents during my nursey days but never experienced one myself. It's a strange mix of holding on and relaxing

Have you done any more Morguana?

I found real benefits in digestion after 3-4 flushes... things started to digest correctly once bile flow started :)

[morguana]

Going to do a detox in the new year, felt it would be the right time :)
Just getting Yule and crimbo out of the way first
Will be fasting for 24 hours on the 19th- 20th in prep for Yule ritual with ruis and kids,
We fast for 24 hours (water only) just before the Celtic festivals (8 times a year)
How's it going with you?
Love
m

[CetaceousOne]

I just completed my seventh cleanse. Lots of stuff still coming out. Felt a real boost after this last one.
Not finished yet!

[Connecting with Sauce]

Good news :) I did my 11th flush a month or so ago and Intend to do a wave more in the new year /spring

Will also do some more hHCG in new year to get down to 73-75kg ... I've leveled out at ~80kg still a 9kg loss from last years weight... A lot of toxins are stored in the brown fat of the body as a protection method...

[Kulapops]

I'm up to about my fifth cleanse since about this time last year.. and have done one kidney cleanse too.

Felt a slight 'scrunching' in my liver this time afterwards (just under bottom right ribs), particularly shortly after I eat food. Generally it's two to four months between cleanses which is possibly a little on the long side according to Andreas Morritz... so maybe the stones are reshuffling and soldifying again in between cleanses?

[str8thinker]

I joined PA after AV1 and every time I try to get into AV1 I see the "Forum temporarily down" message. Is there a way around this? Thanks.

[Celine]

I'm up to about my fifth cleanse since about this time last year.. and have done one kidney cleanse too.

Felt a slight 'scrunching' in my liver this time afterwards (just under bottom right ribs), particularly shortly after I eat food. Generally it's two to four months between cleanses which is possibly a little on the long side according to Andreas Morritz... so maybe the stones are reshuffling and soldifying again in between cleanses?


stones? baddd memories....

i have had over 12 kidney stones.. they could never tell me why. Are these stones as painfull?

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I joined PA after AV1 and every time I try to get into AV1 I see the "Forum temporarily down" message. Is there a way around this? Thanks.

Its been like that for a few weeks now.... seems to be a techie issue that has been harder to solve then expected

PM a MOD , they should be able to tell you more

[Kulapops]

No Celine, it's not painful. Maybe I'm just more aware of what my body is doing these days...

It feels to me as if stones have probably shifted about in the liver, and as new bile passes by them, I 'feel' them, so that's what gives a feeling of tightness. Would be good to have done another flush soon after the last one.. but as they're timed with the new moon, it's funny how there always seems to be someone's birthday or some even around the same time !

[webyourstuff]

Have you tried Ezekiel Sprouted grain tortillas? Wonderful!

[witchy1]

Connection with Sauce mention in the AV1 thread that she/he was waiting for her/his zapper to arrive. (doesnt say how she/he got on) Has anyone else used one - I am thinking of purchasing one. Are they all the same and the 6 million dollar question - do they work????

Cheers

[JohnBlues]

man, that stuff is gross, but makes me really curious whats in my own GB and liver...

one quick question, as i skimmed some of the articles, do you absolutely need to do an enema as part of the process?

i'm not a fan of anything going up where the sun don't shine and would be interested in doing the GB and liver cleanse.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Johnblues,
The stones are highly toxic, I'd do the enema as it gets them out and prevents them getting stuck as it is what is recommended but if you want ultimate health sometimes pushing past your comfort zone is worth the bother.

[pyriel]

Connection with Sauce mention in the AV1 thread that she/he was waiting for her/his zapper to arrive. (doesnt say how she/he got on) Has anyone else used one - I am thinking of purchasing one. Are they all the same and the 6 million dollar question - do they work????

Cheers

From my own experience with a zapper is it doesnt do anything for me but it might be a different story with you. I dont use mine really anymore cause it doesnt do anything or help with anything.


(sorry if this posts several times. getting a 'servers busy' deal)

[daledo]

Connection with Sauce mention in the AV1 thread that she/he was waiting for her/his zapper to arrive. (doesnt say how she/he got on) Has anyone else used one - I am thinking of purchasing one. Are they all the same and the 6 million dollar question - do they work????

Cheers

I have been thinking about getting a zapper too. The one that I have been looking at is http://www.petzapper.com/my.htm
It was supposed to be released on Dec. 30, 2010 but has not been made available. It has 2 modes that you can replace with different frequencies.
Has anyone bought a zapper from this company? I have looked at about 10 kinds and this seems the best out of them all.

[Connecting with Sauce]

I have a SOTA silver pulser, A Terminator TRex and recently a GB4000... and a internal zapper :)

I do regular Urine therapy and according to David Jubb this is one of THE best anti-parasite methods, check out the audio on the latest post I made on that thread here.

[happyexpat]

First and foremost, thank you, thank you, thank you to Connecting with Sauce for all the info and putting up with loads of questions! I also found the FAQ at Moritz' website very helpful. http://www.ener-chi.com/pdf%20files/health_faq.pdf

So about liver cleanses... Hubby and I decided to go for it. We picked up a copy of the book by Moritz and here I sit. His actual cleanse is tomorrow since we have a very energetic little One, we decided to do it on different days.

Just to give a bit of background, I've done pretty healthy stuff for 4 or 5 years including raw dairy products (cow), gluten-free (off and on), mostly totally organic, zero tapwater drinking, no microwave, have a glass or two of wine extremely rarely (like once or twice a year). I do eat a lot of eggs (free-range organic), but not much meat or fish. Also, before getting pregnant with our little One, I ended up with a pretty hard core cleanse from MMS, since it's not compatible with the body suit I am using this time around the playground (for all the MMS fans, even ramping up extremely slowly I have no business taking it unless I want to totally, drastically, uncomfortable flush my entire system).

My primary motivations for doing the cleanse other than general health... Checking with dowsing, it did come up this cleanse is gentle enough for me (everyone should check for themselves and make their own decision) to do even though our little One is still breastfeeding. I did have a shot of rhogam after a miscarriage last year, and I also had the amalgam taken out of 3 teeth a few months after that. I have had some sort of pituitary thing going on (I can tell because the adrenals have not been operating great for a few months, although they have improved with a few things I have done). Last, but not least, I've had a patch of rough skin on my face since I had our little One in 2009, which everybody kept telling me was hormone imbalance.

I used organic apple juice pasteurised, but not from concentrate for the prep time. I did have a movement between the second epson salt water and the cleanse, so I wasn't worried about anything be blocked and stones not being able to get out. For the actual cleanse, hubby ever so generously squeezed the organic grapefruits for the juice to mix with the olive oil, and I didn't think it tasted bad at all. When I was doing the actual cleanse, I laid a Double Helix Harmoniser ring over my liver while I was focusing my intent on it having the energy to release everything it needed to. I fell asleep, and basically next thing I knew, hubby was waking me up early for my next epson salt water. After the second epson salt water this morning, it didn't take long for things to get moving and they definitely moved. I did go ahead and do a plain body-temp distilled water enema after things had settled down, and I was glad I did because I definitely got some more stuff out. Checked with dowsing, and I was okay to do just the one enema.

I definitely feel like it has been a lot of sacrifices (I am seriously a total dairy addict) to do the cleanse, and hubby and I have both been pretty dang grumpy this week (maybe releasing some anger from the liver). I am really glad I wasn't disappointed today. Here are my pictures (far more came out... this is all I cleaned up and photographed), and I'll keep you posted on the rest. At this point anyhow, I do think I will do another one before the new moon in April.

P.S. Ruler is centimeters.

http://www.energyinfosys.ca/images/3Mar2011Stones1.jpg
http://www.energyinfosys.ca/images/3Mar2011Stones2.jpg

[Connecting with Sauce]

Great write up KistheMum! Lovely pictures... there is much more in there!

Oh yeah I forgot to say you can be a little grumpy... even after the flush... especially if there is deep stuff not resolved...
it starts shifting emotional issues ;) Blame it on me !

John

[happyexpat]

Just wanted to add two additional pics from March 4th. Took me a few days. Again, this are only my pics, and significantly less than what all actually came out.

Yes, hubby and I are both pretty grumpy, and we hold Connecting with Sauce entirely responsible. :p

Happy Cleansing!! :cool:

http://www.energyinfosys.ca/images/4Mar2011Stones3.jpg

http://www.energyinfosys.ca/images/4Mar2011Stones4.jpg

[Connecting with Sauce]

Yes, hubby and I are both pretty grumpy, and we hold Connecting with Sauce entirely responsible. :p


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[Connecting with Sauce]

This is amazing info here:
http://www.oneradionetwork2.com/mp3/health/diet/06.16.11_moritz_andreas_cancer_two.mp3

From http://oneradionetwork.com/

On why this liver flush is SO important... the first hour of this info on what cancer is, is really good info too... available free at http://oneradionetwork.com/

John

[conk]

I've just completed my 10th flush, the Adreas M. version. The two previous ones showed few stones, but this one had many displayed. I'll do another in a few weeks. Always feel better afterwards. I'd advise most everyone to do them, yes. And I've never had a colonic afterwards.

[Connecting with Sauce]

And I've never had a colonic afterwards.

I assume you do good enemas yourself... if you don't you will really not be doing yourself the best you can... Andreas Recommends them for a reason... each stone/fat ball is a toxic wrapped ball that is better out than in...

[JohannaStarr]

Hello,

Funny to find a liver detox subject here as we (my partner and I) plan our second one this week :eek: having done our first a few months ago. Mine was horrendous (i will halve the dose of 1/2pint olive oil 2 grapefruits and 1 lemon) and no production of gallstones :( but my partner was more successful (I'm vegetarian and he eats meat - not sure if that has anything to do with it(?)).

I did notice a mention of dairy and tentatively wondered if this link on the link between dairy and addiction may be useful to some people:

Chocolate, Cheese, Meat, and Sugar -- Physically Addictive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I

My partner Jon gave up dairy and with it went away his asthma :) so maybe it will help others suffering too :)

Kind regards

Jo *

[conk]

And I've never had a colonic afterwards.

I assume you do good enemas yourself... if you don't you will really not be doing yourself the best you can... Andreas Recommends them for a reason... each stone/fat ball is a toxic wrapped ball that is better out than in... Yes, two in fact. The first to cleanse. The second, with organic coffee, to detox.

[Connecting with Sauce]

And I've never had a colonic afterwards.

I assume you do good enemas yourself... if you don't you will really not be doing yourself the best you can... Andreas Recommends them for a reason... each stone/fat ball is a toxic wrapped ball that is better out than in... Yes, two in fact. The first to cleanse. The second, with organic coffee, to detox.

Superb :) I've only done one myself after the first flush... and only one stone came out! I had done my own enema before and after the flush and had a propper colonic booked to 'make sure'... since then I've made do with good enemas...

[JohannaStarr]

Sadly second detox not productive either. Although if anyone else is having difficulties in 'seeing' the stones apparently they can be very small - like grains of sand and too hard to see.

[Flash]

I had one done one year ago, lots or stones, it was actually scary to see that out of my body. Will do few other ones this year, it did help .

[Connecting with Sauce]

Sadly second detox not productive either. Although if anyone else is having difficulties in 'seeing' the stones apparently they can be very small - like grains of sand and too hard to see.

The morning after... Do you pass through a sieve? A dedicated one, before that tangent gets started... Some people pass the stones at or before the 4th glass of epson salts or 1-2 days later if their digestion is completely shot.. if it is the later it is a good sign that many more flushes are needed. I really only found a difference after the 4-5 th flush as I did one every 2-3 weeks for the first few this does take time. Dr David Jubb recommends 3 flushes in 14 days during his nutritional fasting/feasting...

[Connecting with Sauce]

Flush number 13 just completed... Quite a few stones out this time... Some were 10-15mm in diameter...

John

[Connecting with Sauce]

Here are the reasons why a liver flush is so important:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNjBEyHmjgU&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSyBKBJ8DI4&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvkDVau3T-A&feature=related

A product is recommended with these links BUT it does explain WHY a liver cleanse is so important... I haven't used the product but the info is like a summary of Andreas' book...

Enjoy...

John

[Ilie Pandia]

It's time to add my testimony too, in the hopes others will find useful or get brave enough to try it themselves :). I am now going through the morning after the "oil glass".

Warning, do not read further if you've just eaten or plan to eat fairly soon :).

I've passed quite a few stones already (many many under 2mm ones and around 5 of 5-8mm, so far). No "huge" stones yet...

My main concerns have been the colon irrigation procedure and the actual passing of the stones. I was worried about any possible pains.

Well, that was/is not the case. The colonic was the best treatment ever! I've felt so good and relaxed afterwards that I've called everybody to brag about it. My only regret is that I did not start cleaning the colon sooner. Unfortunately you cannot clean it on one session, if this is the first session you have. So, for the next liver flush, I'll make sure my colon is clean before the "oil" day. Doing a colonic before and after the liver flush is very important, or you risk back-flushing of the toxins in the stomach, and that is no good. (Read Andreas Moritz book for more details).

I was able to drink all the concoctions without problems. Yes, not the most delicious taste in the world, but no problem getting them down.

The only discomfort, for me personally, is being caused by the liver. I feel a fluctuating pressure in the liver, and the liver itself feels very very hot. Also after drinking the oil I could not sleep (as recommended) so I had a long boring night.

In case you're wondering if this is working or not, you need to have a look at your stool. After the Epsom salts session it will become green with bile and with small "dust or big dust particles". Those are very small stones (until you start passing more big ones). The odour is very different from a normal stool (that's another indication that "something is going on"). The photos already posted on the web (and I think this thread) can also help identify stuff. (I've warned you! :))

So, I am not done yet with this session, but I am confident enough to recommend to anyone to clean their colon and liver.

PS: Don't do the liver flush following a protocol you've read on the forum or the web! Get/buy/borrow Andreas' book and read it fully. There are many things that you may need to consider according to your own body and symptoms.

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Special thanks to "Connecting with Sauce" for bringing this information to light and to Andreas Moritz for writing the book about it.

[ThePythonicCow]

Read Andreas Moritz book for more details
Looking around, it seems that Andreas wrote two liver cleanse books, both in 2007.

The first one is called "The Amazing Liver & Gallbladder Flush". It can be found at Amazon (http://amzn.com/0976571501) or Barnes & Noble (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/amazing-liver-gallbladder-flush-andreas-moritz/1100712647).

The second one is called "Liver and Gallbladder Miracle Cleanse". It can be found at Amazon (http://amzn.com/1569756066) or Barnes & Noble (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/liver-and-gallbladder-miracle-cleanse-andreas-moritz/1100993924).

The one mentioned earlier in this thread, Post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox--from-av1-&p=56839&viewfull=1#post56839) is the first one.

The one mentioned a couple of other places on this forum (here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20345-Detox-Strategies-and-Sharing&p=226748&viewfull=1#post226748) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39936-What-to-use-in-place-of-anti-biotics-and-a-visit-to-the-doctor&p=419491&viewfull=1#post419491)) is the second one.

Based on a personal conversation I had with Ilie last week, I'm guessing he's referring to the second one ... but I easily be wrong. I've read half of the second one so far, and find it quite interesting. I've not actually done any such cleansing myself yet.

[Ilie Pandia]

The first one is called "The Amazing Liver & Gallbladder Flush". It can be found at Amazon (http://amzn.com/0976571501) or Barnes & Noble (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/amazing-liver-gallbladder-flush-andreas-moritz/1100712647).

The second one is called "Liver and Gallbladder Miracle Cleanse". It can be found at Amazon (http://amzn.com/1569756066) or Barnes & Noble (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/liver-and-gallbladder-miracle-cleanse-andreas-moritz/1100993924).


I've read the second book (http://amzn.com/1569756066), and according to the author, it's the revised version of the first one, including more observations and notes as they came in from those that did the flush. That being said, I believe either book will do fine, since Andreas explains in huge detail what is going on and why and so you can understand the particular needs of your own body.

[Valle]

Im not sure regardning applejuice.. see this film regarding fructose and the liver.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth

Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology, explores the damage caused by sugary foods. He argues that fructose (too much) and fiber (not enough) appear to be cornerstones of the obesity epidemic through their effects on insulin.

http://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM

And Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) is one cause of a fatty liver, occurring when fat is deposited (steatosis) in the liver NOT due to excessive alcohol use.

[Ilie Pandia]

Andreas Moritz does not say anything different, and he does not claim apple juice its good for you.

You simply need the malic acid from the apples. If you can ingest that w/o the juice then all is well... this is why I really recommend to read the book. Information taken out of context can be harmful.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Please don't look at the links whilst eating!!! :D

I can't recommend the book enough and in fact I wrote a review of it on Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/1569756066/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1) when I first started documenting "what came out" (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16447&page=2)on the old forum...

I can't recommend the book highly enough and I'd recommend re-reading it a few times to fully understanding the process. Saying that I really must get my copy back and re-read it myself :)

I even got what can not be explained as anything other than parasites out during flush number 4 (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=173095&postcount=34)!

[STATIC]

Although reluctantly I will probably need to take part in this cleansing after I get a hold of the second book.

My digestion has not felt like normal as of late.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Although reluctantly I will probably need to take part in this cleansing after I get a hold of the second book.

My digestion has not felt like normal as of late.

Static if you have one of his liver books, don't bother getting the second. I have the smaller cheaper copy and a firend has the other... We compared pages and they are pretty similar. By an enema kit or epson salts witht he money instead or good oil or grapefruits ... Good luck.

[Ilie Pandia]

This is an ode to the human body :)

It's quite a piece of work and boy am I grateful for it!

I am amazed with how much stress it has to put up with, how perfectly everything is coordinated and how many fall-back plans are inside the body design, in case something fails to work as expected. Being alive in this polluted environment is the every day miracle :biggrin:

So "Thank you Body, and may your self-healing be fast!"

[conk]

You can take supplemental malic acid if afraid of all the sugar in juice. Although I do think there is something extra in organic, unfiltered apple juice that provides benefit.

Moritz has many other fine books.

[Ilie Pandia]

So it's June now, and I've just done my 5th liver flush!

With this one I've passed very very few stones, and I think I'm coming to an end with this process! :). The 4th flush was the most dramatic as stones go, and I was beginning to worry I'll never finish getting them out!

The most noticeable change for me is loosing 26kg (aprox 57 pounds), and being and looking much healthier.

Up until this year I did not value the detox processes to much, this has also changed. I am now a firm "believer" in the detox requirement if you want to restore your health.

I shall try to remember and post one final note after I am completely finished with the process, probably in about 2 months or so.

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Ilie,

Thanks for your report. It looks like you are having great value from the liver detox. I am about to have my third cleanse, no 'real results' so far, no green shiny stones, but funnily enough something feels like it is improving.. so, I keep going and I will join with everyone's recommendations for the Moritz 'miracle cleanse' book and the detox plan, just as you recommend it to me. Thank you very much for the reminder that our bodies-vehicles are not less important than our spirit.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Limor,

I am not sure if I mentioned it, but before I've started this I used to have pain in the liver area, so much so that it would prevent me from sleeping. That to me was clear indication that the liver was in big trouble. The pain has reduced greatly after the first cleanse, and gone after the second with only occasional discomfort. Now with the 5th the liver seems to be doing fine, as I don't have any more pain or discomfort in that area.

While cleaning the liver I've also followed through with all the other detox advice for the intestines, kidneys and skin. And I am pretty sure those have helped a lot too! (Especially cleaning the gut). From February, I've been keeping to a vegetarian diet (and I am not looking here to debate whether that is good or bad, just reporting my experience) and I've also discovered the "juice fasting" that I've used a couple of times.

The point I am trying to make is that the results may be as a consequence of all the things I did and not necessarily just the liver cleanse.

[UnrealDreams]

This is an interesting liver flush method. I haven't read the books on this, so I'm not sure what his method of replacing the beneficial bacteria inside the intesines is?

I do enemas regularly in the Gerson fashion. It is simply 1 litre of room temperature organic medium roast coffee infused into the rectum, held for 12-15 minutes and released. The general rule of thumb is that it takes three 8 oz. organic vegetable juices(either green w/ apple, or carrot and apple) per liver flush to replenish the enzymes and nutrients the stomach needs to reproduce the beneficial enzymes and bacteria inside the intestines.

I would just like to bring to everyones attention that while you are flushing out the bad stuff from your system, you are simultaneously flushing out the good stuff. The good stuff needs to be replaced. I'm assuming you may use something like pro-biotics, but proper nuitrition is the key to a healthy gut, which is why I prefer the organic carrot/apple juices.

I would also like to agree with Ilie that if you are going to embark on any of this, please do your own research. If you wish to try the Gerson method please visit Gerson.org for more information. I don't do the full Gerson Therapy, but I have adopted the enemas/juices. I suggest Charlotte Gerson's book titled 'HEALING The Gerson Way' for anyone with any kind of health problems.

Best of luck to everyone with the liver flushes-

[UnrealDreams]

Hello,

Funny to find a liver detox subject here as we (my partner and I) plan our second one this week :eek: having done our first a few months ago. Mine was horrendous (i will halve the dose of 1/2pint olive oil 2 grapefruits and 1 lemon) and no production of gallstones :( but my partner was more successful (I'm vegetarian and he eats meat - not sure if that has anything to do with it(?)).

I did notice a mention of dairy and tentatively wondered if this link on the link between dairy and addiction may be useful to some people:

Chocolate, Cheese, Meat, and Sugar -- Physically Addictive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I

My partner Jon gave up dairy and with it went away his asthma :) so maybe it will help others suffering too :)

Kind regards

Jo *

If you are a vegetarian you should have less toxins built up in your liver, hence, less toxins coming out. This is a good thing!! That stuff isn't supposed to be in there. A vegan, or vegetarian who eats a large portion of organic fruits and vegetables in their diet has little need for a flush IMO. The body does it naturally if you eat toxin free vegetables and fruits. If there is no toxin intake, toxins never gets into the bloodstream and never gets deposited in the liver.

If you eat a lot of fruit and vegetables an enema will be extremely hard to hold in. This is completely normal, and it's normal for those who are on a plant based vegetarian diet to not expel toxins when doing a flush.

I use a different method of flushing, but it's obvious alchohol leaves many toxins in the liver which needs to be flushed. So, if you don't drink and your husband does, it will make the effects of his flush that more dramatic than yours. I have personally noticed that even a few drinks of alchohol cause quite a dramatic release of toxins from the liver.

Best of luck-
:)

[UnrealDreams]

Hi Limor,

I am not sure if I mentioned it, but before I've started this I used to have pain in the liver area, so much so that it would prevent me from sleeping. That to me was clear indication that the liver was in big trouble. The pain has reduced greatly after the first cleanse, and gone after the second with only occasional discomfort. Now with the 5th the liver seems to be doing fine, as I don't have any more pain or discomfort in that area.

While cleaning the liver I've also followed through with all the other detox advice for the intestines, kidneys and skin. And I am pretty sure those have helped a lot too! (Especially cleaning the gut). From February, I've been keeping to a vegetarian diet (and I am not looking here to debate whether that is good or bad, just reporting my experience) and I've also discovered the "juice fasting" that I've used a couple of times.

The point I am trying to make is that the results may be as a consequence of all the things I did and not necessarily just the liver cleanse.

I agree that your diet is a key aspect of this. Basically, if no toxins get into your body, there is nothing toxic to flush out. A plant based vegetarian diet is great. Organic is the least toxic way to go, if you have access to it.

It's great to hear that you are doing well.

[eileenrose]

Hello,

Funny to find a liver detox subject here as we (my partner and I) plan our second one this week :eek: having done our first a few months ago. Mine was horrendous (i will halve the dose of 1/2pint olive oil 2 grapefruits and 1 lemon) and no production of gallstones :( but my partner was more successful (I'm vegetarian and he eats meat - not sure if that has anything to do with it(?)).

I did notice a mention of dairy and tentatively wondered if this link on the link between dairy and addiction may be useful to some people:

Chocolate, Cheese, Meat, and Sugar -- Physically Addictive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I

My partner Jon gave up dairy and with it went away his asthma :) so maybe it will help others suffering too :)

Kind regards

Jo *

If you are a vegetarian you should have less toxins built up in your liver, hence, less toxins coming out. This is a good thing!! That stuff isn't supposed to be in there. A vegan, or vegetarian who eats a large portion of organic fruits and vegetables in their diet has little need for a flush IMO. The body does it naturally if you eat toxin free vegetables and fruits. If there is no toxin intake, toxins never gets into the bloodstream and never gets deposited in the liver.

If you eat a lot of fruit and vegetables an enema will be extremely hard to hold in. This is completely normal, and it's normal for those who are on a plant based vegetarian diet to not expel toxins when doing a flush.

I use a different method of flushing, but it's obvious alchohol leaves many toxins in the liver which needs to be flushed. So, if you don't drink and your husband does, it will make the effects of his flush that more dramatic than yours. I have personally noticed that even a few drinks of alchohol cause quite a dramatic release of toxins from the liver.

Best of luck-
:)

Just watch being a vegetarian. It isn't simple. You do have to find good sources of protein and hope your body adjust. I'm a vegetarian and it hasn't been a smooth ride.
Eating cheese doesn't really count (in my book) as an alternative to meat. Just one FYI.

[Ilie Pandia]

Well, the sixth liver flush is now behind me.

I wrote previously that I may be close to the finish, but apparently that is not the case :biggring:

With my sixth flush I've passed again many many stones, with a few big ones. So this suggests that I may still have a few more flushes left. The bad news is that I had hopped I'm done, but the good news is that I am glad these toxins are getting out. Also the flushing process is now painless. The only source of discomfort being the epsom salts, that are very very bitter.

To clarify, the first flushes were painless too, but I did experience some nausea and discomfort while passing the very first stones. I still believe this is the most "user friendly" process of cleaning your liver, with the exception (perhaps) of juice fasting... :). So don't be scared, inform yourself, and if it feels right for you, clean your liver.

[Connecting with Sauce]

This guy states he has done 120 flushes...
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[UnrealDreams]

Hello,

Funny to find a liver detox subject here as we (my partner and I) plan our second one this week :eek: having done our first a few months ago. Mine was horrendous (i will halve the dose of 1/2pint olive oil 2 grapefruits and 1 lemon) and no production of gallstones :( but my partner was more successful (I'm vegetarian and he eats meat - not sure if that has anything to do with it(?)).

I did notice a mention of dairy and tentatively wondered if this link on the link between dairy and addiction may be useful to some people:

Chocolate, Cheese, Meat, and Sugar -- Physically Addictive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I

My partner Jon gave up dairy and with it went away his asthma :) so maybe it will help others suffering too :)

Kind regards

Jo *

If you are a vegetarian you should have less toxins built up in your liver, hence, less toxins coming out. This is a good thing!! That stuff isn't supposed to be in there. A vegan, or vegetarian who eats a large portion of organic fruits and vegetables in their diet has little need for a flush IMO. The body does it naturally if you eat toxin free vegetables and fruits. If there is no toxin intake, toxins never gets into the bloodstream and never gets deposited in the liver.

If you eat a lot of fruit and vegetables an enema will be extremely hard to hold in. This is completely normal, and it's normal for those who are on a plant based vegetarian diet to not expel toxins when doing a flush.

I use a different method of flushing, but it's obvious alchohol leaves many toxins in the liver which needs to be flushed. So, if you don't drink and your husband does, it will make the effects of his flush that more dramatic than yours. I have personally noticed that even a few drinks of alchohol cause quite a dramatic release of toxins from the liver.

Best of luck-
:)

Just watch being a vegetarian. It isn't simple. You do have to find good sources of protein and hope your body adjust. I'm a vegetarian and it hasn't been a smooth ride.
Eating cheese doesn't really count (in my book) as an alternative to meat. Just one FYI.

Most vegetarians who have problems do not eat a plant based diet. The Gerson is a totally plant based organic diet and those people have no issues with protein deficiency, eating over 20 pounds of fresh produce daily. There is adequate protein in vegetables, but some "vegetarians" eat junk food. I knew a vegetartian who ate a lot of ice cream, and cookies and was not a healthy person. But if you eat vegetables your body takes in the nutrients and naturally expels toxins. The human body is actually designed to be vegetarian by the intestinal design. Meat eating animals have a very short intestine which allows meat to digest and be expelled quickly from their bodies. Humans have a very long, complex intestinal system which match the intestines of a plant eating animal..

By the way, I am not a vegetarian. If I was, I would not need to flush my liver regularly. I know I have issues with toxins getting in, and this is why I do the regular enemas to flush the liver out. I still eat meat, and can't always afford organic produce. Every now and again, I will have a drink, too. All of these things make it necessary to flush the liver. If you keep taking toxins in, you will have to flush the liver to keep it healthy. It's a never ending process.

[Ilie Pandia]

This weekend I've done my seventh flush.

It was very different from the others. I've only passed 4-5 small green stones but a lot of what appeared to be yellow sand that did not float.

My guess is that was cholesterol calcified stones possibly mushed away by the malic acid, but I am not sure. Anyway I am happy is out, and again hopeful about approaching the end of this procedure :).

I've had no discomfort or nausea this time but is getting harder and harder to drink the epsom salts. They are very bitter.

[DeDukshyn]

Andreas Moritz does not say anything different, and he does not claim apple juice its good for you.

You simply need the malic acid from the apples. If you can ingest that w/o the juice then all is well... this is why I really recommend to read the book. Information taken out of context can be harmful.

I've also read recently that malic acid is good for decalcification -- which helps with one's pineal. My liver has been hurtin' a little now and again, I'll have to research these liver flushes a little ... A natural supplement that may help with this process is an herbal product called Phylanthus Niruri or 'Chanca Piedra' as it is known locally where it grows, which literally translates to "break stone" -- excellent for gall bladder and liver and kidney detox.

Thanks for reviving this thread whoever is responsible ;)

[Ilie Pandia]

Ah, I did take Chanca Piedra for flush number 4... I could not say if it helped or not... I've also followed through with the kidney detox tea.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Good to hear the flushes work for you IP, i am up tp my 9th flush, it seems like the more flushes i have done the harder my body resists the Epsom salts.

Results of flushes varied a bit though, also smelled awfull when the stones dissolved after a few days ( even in a closed jar in the fridge, i kept them there to stare at them in amazemend) , anyway, its good the stones have left my body, whats out, is out.

Not looking forward to the next flush though, not because of the flush, but the Epsom salt.

[Ilie Pandia]

:biggrin:

Oh my!! I don't think I'd put those nowhere near the fridge :P.

I have the same experience with the epsom salts, but I have a mini speech for the body, explaining it's for the good health we are experiencing. It helps :)

PS: Better to make pictures to stare at :P. They don't dissolve and don't smell ;))

[778 neighbour of some guy]

:biggrin:

Oh my!! I don't think I'd put those nowhere near the fridge :P.

I have the same experience with the epsom salts, but I have a mini speech for the body, explaining it's for the good health we are experiencing. It helps :)

PS: Better to make pictures to stare at :P. They don't dissolve and don't smell ;))

:o You are totally right about the pictures, dont have a digital cam though, reason i kept them for a few days was to stare at them and think words like holy crap "That was inside of ME?".

NAH [putting them in the jar is not a problem Ilie, the fridge is no problem too, its opening the jar thats bad, you know, to shake and ratlle them around a bit ;), thank god i am past that stage now, Epsom salts are still pretty much disgusting, yechhhhhhhh.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Glad you guys are sticking with the flushes. I'm up to 12 or 13 flushes now. Haven't done one for a while now.

I felt a lot better since the 4th flush and I got the parasites out see post #34 of the PA1 thread in the first post. we do a lot of things to detox and keep our gut healthy... Fermented Kefir water and kefirmilk and distilled water obviously. I also do quite a lot of urine therapy which really does clean the lymph system. I've even started another ferment liquid today and will see how that is in approximately 2 weeks :)

[Fred Steeves]

It seems proper nutrition is as "complex" as "spirituality". http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/sad.gif

[Connecting with Sauce]

It seems proper nutrition is as "complex" as "spirituality". http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/sad.gif

Fred,

This does seem to be the case.

I have a few spiritual friends. I have a few aware friends. I have a few friends who are into fitness. I have a few friends who are into eating healthily. I have a few who are into detoxing. ...But not many who are aware of how they all link together to get the best from the physical and spiritual bodies... I got into the detoxing and health from finding out about the 'agendas' we find out about on places like PA... Eventually you take steps to counter them rather than being consumed by spreading 'fear porn'... I try to ignore what is going on in msm, and limit sites like these too much as you end up 'consumed' to some extent. I suppose once you know what is going on.. you know.

[Arrowwind]

For those who have real parasite issues the liver flush is great but it may not eliminate all the parasites but it can be essential for opening up pathways of elimination. Parasites can kill you and they can work their way into vital organs like the heart and brain. I have had a few patients over the years who died from large worms in the brain.

You should not count on liver flushes to kill all the parasites.

Here is a post from my blog regarding the treatment of parasites. After you read it you will realize that even MMS has a hard time killing them all. Consider carefully the treatments you choose and make sure they are all gone. How long it takes and what you use will depend on how advanced your case is and where the parasites are actually located, and of course don't count on any doctor to help you figure that out!

http://www.healthsalon.org/487/parasite-cure-tapeworm-roundworms-mms-cures-parasites/

[Ilie Pandia]

Liver and gallbladder flush number 8, report.

This time, starting with a week before the programmed flush I've started to feel pain again in the gallbladder area. It was just as bad as when I've started this process. Needless to say I was very disappointed and worried...

However, I've decided to keep with the process, as there was the possibility that older stones from the liver, that got "unlocked" would have "rolled forward" and jam the gallbladder again.

So I did the protocol again, but I've also added a castor oil pack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVaCT80TzlY). It is said to stimulate the liver, and in this case to help eliminating more stones. Applying the warm oil to the area felt awesome and I was able to feel the stones coming out of the gallbladder (like marbles, blup blup blup blup). It was not painful but strange and in a way funny.

The next day I've passed around 10 very large stones (the largest so far), about the size of my thumb nail, and a more smaller ones. But overall much bigger stones than usual. I'm happy those are out. Again, the pain is gone. Even if I apply pressure the area, there is no more discomfort.

Oh, and another thing. I overdosed the epsom salts by mistake :biggrin: (double dose). Fortunately nothing bad happened, but I got stuck to the toilet for a while...

@Arrowwind, do we have any way to test for "parasites" like the ones you're talking about?

[RunningDeer]

Diagram of What GallStones Cause - Dr. Clark's Information Center (http://www.drclark.net/en/cleanses_clean-ups/liver_cleanses.php)


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/gallstones.jpg
http://www.drclark.net/en/cleanses_clean-ups/liver_cleanses.php

[wegge]

I also did one last friday/saturday and was really amazed when I saw these green things coming out :)
thank you for the information!

[Hervé]

Andreas Moritz's first edition available as PDF: http://curezone.com/upload/PDF/Save_Your_Life_/THE_LIVER_AND_GALLBLADDER_MIRACLE_CLEANSE.pdf

[RunningDeer]

Andreas Moritz's first edition available as PDF: http://curezone.com/upload/PDF/Save_Your_Life_/THE_LIVER_AND_GALLBLADDER_MIRACLE_CLEANSE.pdf

Thanks Amzer Zo. I just completed my 3rd detox last weekend. http://serve.mysmiley.net/cool/cool0012.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)



Liver and gallbladder flush number 8, report.

Thanks for your posts, Ilie Pandia. It's what convinced me. Glad I did. :wave:

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

Just a notice. None of the linked book is actually free :). If we do get a notice about it, I'll have to take them down.

If you read the books and benefit from them send some money to the author, to show your support for things you find value in.

[ThePythonicCow]

If you read the books and benefit from them send some money to the author, to show your support for things you find value in.

Andreas Moritz's website, where you can purchase these and other books of his, and where you can find many online articles he has written on health matters, is www.ener-chi.com (http://www.ener-chi.com)

[RunningDeer]

If you read the books and benefit from them send some money to the author, to show your support for things you find value in.

Andreas Moritz's website, where you can purchase these and other books of his, and where you can find many online articles he has written on health matters, is www.ener-chi.com (http://www.ener-chi.com)

FYI: I removed the link to Andreas Moritz's book "Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation". I purchased a hard copy, which includes a chapter on the liver gallbladder cleanse.

[Ilie Pandia]

Liver flush number 9 is done. No stones came out, but I'll no longer cheer prematurely :).

This times was a full moon. I only specify this because Moritz claims than on fool moons is the worst time to do a cleanse because the body tends to keep on fluids. Best time for a cleanse would be a new moon. (I was careful that previous cleanses were not full moons, but this time I forgot, oh well...)

[RunningDeer]

Liver flush number 9 is done. No stones came out, but I'll no longer cheer prematurely :).

This times was a full moon. I only specify this because Moritz claims than on fool moons is the worst time to do a cleanse because the body tends to keep on fluids. Best time for a cleanse would be a new moon. (I was careful that previous cleanses were not full moons, but this time I forgot, oh well...)

I found out that the moon is not made of cheese. So I'd count it as one down and one to go, makes two in a row.

PS Maybe the castor oil pack last time help complete the job.

[Conaire]

Whoop whoop. I just finished my first cleanse today. It wasn't as difficult as I was expecting it to be. It was less dramatic. Even the grapefruit/ olive oil drink kind of tasted nice to me, it was like a nice salad dressing, albeit quite a lot of salad dressing. The epsom salts were not as bad as I anticipated either, I just held my nose and knocked it back in one.

No big stones, just 30 or 40 small ones. Maybe because I didn't time it right and ended up doing it on the night/day before the full moon not as many stones were relased...maybe.

Instant results were; the bags under my eyes are almost completely gone. My boyfriend commented on my skin looking clear; result! I feel lighter and noticed in my yoga class that the lightness was quite apparent, except the pose floor bow, where I was lying on my belly, that felt uncomfortable and I couldn't manage that pose. But all in all I'm delighted with myself for starting the process.

It was my yoga teacher that gave me Andreas Moritz' liver cleanse book and I can't recomend the book enough. It really is surperb.

[Hervé]

Well, well, well... what do you know... thanks to this thread, I probably saved myself a trip to the hospital and surgery of my gallbladder... the story of my first liver flush.

To start with, I had a severe stomach/abdominal cramp/spasm where the food I ingested was neither going down nor back up. I considered for a while it might be an acute appendicitis on its way to a peritonitis but the absence of pain/muscles spasm in that area discounted that.

Remembering this thread and rereading it, finding the Andreas Moritz PDF, reading it, I decided to start the liver flush with the apple juice diet. Meanwhile I was scheduled for a chiropractor appointment and therefore set the date for the flush for after that appointment. The chiro noticed that yellow tinge on my skin and eyes, referred me to a Traditonal Chinese Medicine Doctor for handling and detox.

Decided for the liver flush in between the two appointments... here are the results:

First morning batch after the first set of Epsom salt and olive oil the preceding evening (well, not quite morning since after swallowing the third epsom salt mixture, I went back to bed and slept 5 more hours so that I went for my bathroom visit around noon):


https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pSa5ygfLU7Jj6-lozzqrwVsXS5Bb5EIBPt0kvx76ZDMvhieE9qbXVuelZx9TeBHfi5TwZj50fWm_Q4rCh86a9893kTFVv_bop/IMG_1864-b.jpg?psid=1


I first took the oblong pinkish-orange thingies as being some sort of flukes but upon closer inspection I couldn't detect any internal organs and therefore concluded they are in fact pink grapefruit cells. Very tricky... I guess I didn't manage to remove all the pulp from the squeezed grapefruit juice.


Second batch after taking the fourth and last Epsom salt at noon:


https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pX2pN_pC15146s5RpFesNMDrgqpRRGr3AWqE3OXNmLDXO03d3BZG3hMwelCl28VyJqScyLR2uFoEC4zJI35a64aADm141S0a2/IMG_1867-b.jpg?psid=1


What might have helped passing the big ones without trouble is that, for the last four days of the apple juice regimen, I switched to taking 1-2 TBS of apple cider vinegar (with "Mother") with apple juice as it was getting more difficult for me to ingest 6 glasses of apple juice a day. 4 glasses are more to my taste.


Now I am on the "Chinese Bitters" for the detox and as prescribed by the physician in Traditional Chinese Medicine.

[Daughter of Time]

Well, congratulations for catching them on time and saving your gall bladder!

I think you were rather lucky because sometimes taking a potent laxative like epsom salts when you have stomach cramps can be quite dangerous. Did you have cramps while taking the epsom salts? Or did the apple juice fast clean your system enough to allow an easy release? How long did you fast on apple juice before taking the epsom salts?

Those are some pretty large stones. The first I did mine i didn't pass anything so i did it again a few weeks later and I passed around 50 stones the size of your second batch.

Now i do it every six months whether I need it or not.

Is your abdominal pain completerly gone?

Keep detoxing! It's good for you!

[Hervé]

Well, congratulations for catching them on time and saving your gall bladder!



Thanks!



I think you were rather lucky because sometimes taking a potent laxative like epsom salts when you have stomach cramps can be quite dangerous. Did you have cramps while taking the epsom salts? Or did the apple juice fast clean your system enough to allow an easy release? How long did you fast on apple juice before taking the epsom salts?



From what I understand of the available literature, the malic acid from the apple juice/cider softens the stones so they can be squeezed out as some sort of gel out of a tooth paste tube.

The other part is that the magnesium contained in the Epsom salt is also a muscle relaxant and helps with any kind of muscle cramps hence helps the liver and pancreas ducts stretch without pain. Also, in the guts, magnesium counteracts the constipating effect of calcium (as in Cal-Mag, the citrate kind).



[...]


Is your abdominal pain completerly gone?

Keep detoxing! It's good for you![/

Almost, there is still a tender area that acupuncture is taking care of.

Agreed!

[Ilie Pandia]

Hey Amzer Zo,

You're lucky in my view :biggrin:

My big ones only got out with the 8th flush! :)

[wegge]

nice amzer! looking forward to my flush this evening :)

[RunningDeer]

I just completed my 4th detox this past weekend. Still mostly saw dust crystals and light green, little guys. So Ilie, it's helpful to hear that it may take as long as 8 times.

[Ilie Pandia]

I just completed my 4th detox this past weekend. Still mostly saw dust crystals and light green, little guys. So Ilie, it's helpful to hear that it may take as long as 8 times.

What I did very differently on the 8th flush was that I used a warm castor oil pack. Coincidence or not I had the most dramatic "release" then.

[RunningDeer]

I just completed my 4th detox this past weekend. Still mostly saw dust crystals and light green, little guys. So Ilie, it's helpful to hear that it may take as long as 8 times.

What I did very differently on the 8th flush was that I used a warm castor oil pack. Coincidence or not I had the most dramatic "release" then.

I did check out your castor oil video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVaCT80TzlY) link. At the time, it felt like one too many steps. Though, I haven't ruled it out.

I've eaten plant protein since the mid 1970's. The greatest culprit for me is Ben & Jerry's. Which is the only dairy I do, for the most part. So detox results may be different. I'm thinking that the saw dust may be the cholesterol chards.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Glad a number of you are benefiting from the flush / cleanse which came to my attention after the Zurich gathering and meeting Dick there who introduced me to www.oneradionetwork.com and Andreas Moritz's info amongst others...

It reminds me, after being on vacation for 2 weeks in Russia and them not understanding any of my English... Or believing my Wife's translation of "No thank you, sorry my belly is still full from 10 minutes ago when you offered me food then.." ;)

back to a lighter load and pilates and yoga again... Back to a more normal diet for me...

BTW The parasites which came out of me on my 4th flush really improved my digestion as I posted in the original PA1 thread post number #34 (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=173095&postcount=34). As those that flush know during the stone coming out phase you are 'empty' so these can't be explained by the quackwatch oil+salt brigade... All were generically the same shape.

[wegge]

I had some green small ones coming out before drinking my third glass in the morning and shortly after drinking the fourth. For the rest of the day whitish pale ones were coming out, who were the size of green beans maybe a little bigger.

[Ilie Pandia]

With my 10th liver flush I've only passed 5 small (pea sized) stones.

I am tempted to stop flushing, even though I should continue until no stones come out. We'll see.

[Mu2143]

For does who are in the netherlands

Lady’s bedstraw (Galium verum)
http://anniesheilzamekruiden.nl/webshop/gedroogde-kruiden/kruiden-a-tot-z/walstro?zenid=97fa1f3fff0728f420921c1d9a458fda

Goldenrod
(Solidago virgaurea)
http://anniesheilzamekruiden.nl/webshop/gedroogde-kruiden/kruiden-a-tot-z/guldenroede

Madder roots (Rubia Tinctorum)
http://www.kenkkruidenshop.nl/c-1063219/meekrap/

Dr. Vogel also mentions herbs that help shrink gallstones such as the Common Madder roots (Rubia Tinctorum), Chicory (Chicorium Intybus) and Lady’s bedstraw (Galium verum). These three medicinal herbs can be found together in a product called Polygorubia”. Taken regularly it should help avoid the formation of gallstones.
http://www.drclark.net/images/stories/file/PDF/Liver_Cleanse_thesis.pdf

[RunningDeer]

With my 10th liver flush I've only passed 5 small (pea sized) stones.

I am tempted to stop flushing, even though I should continue until no stones come out. We'll see.

What's one more 4 phase gulps of epsom salt? My worst part is the oil, it gives me really bad heart burn. Congrats, either way. My thanks again for your posts. It encouraged me to commit.

BTW: Each time, I wished I hadn't started. After the procedure, I'm glad I did. There's the innate knowing that my body is whole and healthy. I feel lighter not just in the physical sense, but the more subtle bodies are brighter, too.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi WCBD,

The first 4 flushes were really hard. I could hardly take down the salts and the oil. But as time went by I got used to them. With my 10th flush none of them bothered my in the least. I had however tried a few olive oil brands and found one that had a very good taste when mixed with grapefruit juice. That helped.


Each time, I wished I hadn't started. After the procedure, I'm glad I did.

That's exactly how I've felt with the first few flushes. But a few days after, the body response was so good that I was glad I did it and I was strongly motivated to schedule the next one.

[Connecting with Sauce]

A good tip for a successful flush is to meditate on "letting go" and "forgiving" situations which made you angry in the past... Even if you don't consider it to be an issue 'now', strangely things come to mind which need to be let go of, gurgles and 'releases' sometimes co-incide (inside) with these thoughts coming to the conscious mind... These can be trapped emotions releasing.. Just going on a 'mind map' and going 'within' during the post oil part / laydown can make a really great flush...

[Eram]

We are preparing for a liver detox and one of the things to start with is epsom salt.
Well, I went to different stores to find some and came up empty handed.
I found 1 thing and that is Magnesium chloride, which has the same laxative effect, so I was told.

The internet doesn't give an answer to me after some searching.

Can anyone here tell me if I can use magnesium chloride instead of epsom salt? and what would be the dosage?

thanks!

[Hervé]

The Epsom salt I used was the one made of USP grade material, 100% natural magnesium sulfate that's usually used for bath... the one that specifies "not recommended for ingestion" :) .

[RunningDeer]

We are preparing for a liver detox and one of the things to start with is epsom salt.
Well, I went to different stores to find some and came up empty handed.
I found 1 thing and that is Magnesium chloride, which has the same laxative effect, so I was told.

The internet doesn't give an answer to me after some searching.

Can anyone here tell me if I can use magnesium chloride instead of epsom salt? and what would be the dosage?

thanks!

Hi Wakytweaky, I've just begun my 5th.

“Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation,” by: Andreas Moritz (Author of the Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush”)

pg. 188 - "Intolerance to Epson Salts

If you are allergic to Epsom salts or just cannot tolerate them, you may use magnesium citrate instead (although it is not quite as effective as Epsom salts). Magnesium citrate is readily available at most drugstores.”


This is Andreas Moritz's free eBook: "Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation". (http://j.b5z.net/i/u/7000617/f/Timeless_Secrets_of_Health_and_Rejuvenation_NOV_2007_eBook.pdf) It's so chock full of great information that I purchased a hard copy. It's not your typical health book. There's a chapter on the liver gallbladder cleanse in this one, too.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Eram]

We are preparing for a liver detox and one of the things to start with is epsom salt.
Well, I went to different stores to find some and came up empty handed.
I found 1 thing and that is Magnesium chloride, which has the same laxative effect, so I was told.

The internet doesn't give an answer to me after some searching.

Can anyone here tell me if I can use magnesium chloride instead of epsom salt? and what would be the dosage?

thanks!

Hi Wakytweaky, I've just begun my 5th.

“Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation,” by: Andreas Moritz (Author of the Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush”)

pg. 188 - "Intolerance to Epson Salts

If you are allergic to Epsom salts or just cannot tolerate them, you may use magnesium citrate instead (although it is not quite as effective as Epsom salts). Magnesium citrate is readily available at most drugstores.”


This is Andreas Moritz's free eBook: "Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation". (http://j.b5z.net/i/u/7000617/f/Timeless_Secrets_of_Health_and_Rejuvenation_NOV_2007_eBook.pdf) It's so chock full of great information that I purchased a hard copy. It's not your typical health book. There's a chapter on the liver gallbladder cleanse in this one, too.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Thanks a lot Paula,

I am reading the book already.... in Dutch! :P , but haven't gotten to page 188 yet... HA!

:love:

[RunningDeer]

The Epsom salt I used was the one made of USP grade material, 100% natural magnesium sulfate that's usually used for bath... the one that specifies "not recommended for ingestion" :) .

The product I use is called, "up&up". The active ingredient is magnesium sulfate USP (heptahydrate). Uses: soaking aid for minor sprains and bruises, and saline laxative for relief of occasional constipation.

[Eram]

The Epsom salt I used was the one made of USP grade material, 100% natural magnesium sulfate that's usually used for bath... the one that specifies "not recommended for ingestion" :) .

Not everything is the opposite of what we get told Amzer Zo ;)

How has the flushes so far affected you all?
Do you feel more healthy, more energy etc?

I can't wait to start.

When I read all the diseases and personality characteristics that are linked to stones in the liver, I got a lot of AHA moments.
I've had a feeling of pressure on my liver from when I was a kid. My expectations are high :)

[RunningDeer]

We are preparing for a liver detox and one of the things to start with is epsom salt.
Well, I went to different stores to find some and came up empty handed.
I found 1 thing and that is Magnesium chloride, which has the same laxative effect, so I was told.

The internet doesn't give an answer to me after some searching.

Can anyone here tell me if I can use magnesium chloride instead of epsom salt? and what would be the dosage?

thanks!

Hi Wakytweaky, I've just begun my 5th.

“Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation,” by: Andreas Moritz (Author of the Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush”)

pg. 188 - "Intolerance to Epson Salts

If you are allergic to Epsom salts or just cannot tolerate them, you may use magnesium citrate instead (although it is not quite as effective as Epsom salts). Magnesium citrate is readily available at most drugstores.”


This is Andreas Moritz's free eBook: "Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation". (http://j.b5z.net/i/u/7000617/f/Timeless_Secrets_of_Health_and_Rejuvenation_NOV_2007_eBook.pdf) It's so chock full of great information that I purchased a hard copy. It's not your typical health book. There's a chapter on the liver gallbladder cleanse in this one, too.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Thanks a lot Paula,

I am reading the book already.... in Dutch! :P , but haven't gotten to page 188 yet... HA!

:love:

It was hard to find the pages with the free download. It's a kind of book that you jump around in. The frustration was it's a pdf without direct links to them.

Great that you are doing it. It'll help with the joint/muscle inflammation, too.

:love: & :hug:

[RunningDeer]

The Epsom salt I used was the one made of USP grade material, 100% natural magnesium sulfate that's usually used for bath... the one that specifies "not recommended for ingestion" :) .

Not everything is the opposite of what we get told Amzer Zo ;)

How has the flushes so far affected you all?
Do you feel more healthy, more energy etc?

I can't wait to start.

When I read all the diseases and personality characteristics that are linked to stones in the liver, I got a lot of AHA moments.
I've had a feeling of pressure on my liver from when I was a kid. My expectations are high :)


I was fortunate to attend classes and have a personal consult with Bill Tara. He was one of instructors at “Kushi Institute,” Kiental, Switzerland, for “Lifestyle and Cooking” certification. Below is a vid, a link and a snippet of the seven emotions, and specifically one about anger and liver.

Traditional Chinese Medicine Causes of Illness (http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/family/traditional-chinese-medicine-causes-of-illness6.htm)

The Seven Emotions

“The seven basic emotions related to organ function are anger, joy, worry, pensiveness, sadness, fear, and shock (fright). Although the mind/body connection has been acknowledged only relatively recently in Western medicine, the interaction of emotions with the physical body is an essential aspect of traditional Chinese medicine.

Each organ has a corresponding emotion; imbalance of this emotion can affect the organ's function. For example, prolonged anger can lead to an imbalance in the liver. At the same time, liver imbalances can produce symptoms of anger, often leading to a self-perpetuating cycle....”


Anger & Liver

“Anger is associated with the liver. By its nature, anger causes qi to rise, leading to a red face and red eyes, headaches, and dizziness. This matches the pattern of liver fire rising. Anger can also cause liver qi to "attack the spleen," producing lack of appetite, indigestion, and diarrhea (often experienced by those people who argue at the dinner table or eat while driving)....”

In a more long-term view, suppressed anger or frustration often causes liver qi to become stagnant; this might result in depression or menstrual disorders. It is interesting to note that people who take herbs to release stagnant liver qi often experience bouts of anger as the stagnation is relieved. The anger passes as the condition clears. Similarly, anger and irritability are often the determining factor in diagnosing liver qi stagnation. Many people are relieved to know their rage has a physiologic basis. It is essential to avoid drinking coffee when treating anger-related liver disorders, as coffee heats the liver and greatly intensifies the condition...”




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoiEe1vsYsc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoiEe1vsYsc

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[sleepy]

[xxxxxx xxxxxx

[Eram]

Spot on there.

I wonder if this stagnation of Chi in the Liver also causes the stagnation of chi in the knees and ankles, or if there is a relation there.
I have had problems (mild inflammations and unexplainable injuries at the knees many times in my life), and my girlfriend, who can feel chi flows, says that the chi flow in my legs is stagnated and when she de-blocks the stagnation in the ankles, the stagnation immediately forms a bit higher in the leg. I actually have a rheumatoid arthritis in one knee now for some time.
I do exercises for it (chi flow) that help to some extend, but it is working as a bandage only so far.
I hope that with the coming liver flushes, there will be improvement in that area as well.

My intuition always linked my angry like personality to the liver. Well angry as in, grumpiness and with a short fuse sometimes.
I actually went to therapy for that (short fuse), but not with the result that I hoped for. It's still there.

I don't know, but reading this book from Andreas Moritz feels like a big congregation of roads. A turn around point if you will.

I will look into that website as well. Try some herbs maybe, to get the chi flow in the right direction :)

[Ilie Pandia]

About Epsom Salts: here in Romania is not readily available, but I was fortunate enough to find out I can ask a pharmacy to prepare it for me. What I need to do is find a pharmacy with a lab (apparently not all have one) and then ask them to prepare the salts for me. Then I'd go the second day to pick them up.

[Mu2143]

We are preparing for a liver detox and one of the things to start with is epsom salt.
Well, I went to different stores to find some and came up empty handed.
I found 1 thing and that is Magnesium chloride, which has the same laxative effect, so I was told.

The internet doesn't give an answer to me after some searching.

Can anyone here tell me if I can use magnesium chloride instead of epsom salt? and what would be the dosage?

thanks!
The wonderful benefits of Epsom salts have been known for hundreds of years. The salt derives its name from a bitter saline spring in Epsom, Surrey, England.Epsom salt comprises of 2 compounds, magnesium and sulphate, and has beneficial properties that can soothe the body, mind and soul.

Epsom salt baths are an excellent way of combating stress and alleviating aches and pains. The high magnesium content in Epsom salt baths facilitates the removal of acids through the skin. They are therefore a wonderful natural treatment for a large range of ailments associated with magnesium deficiency throughout the body. Epsom salts owe their huge range of health benefits to that of the trace metal magnesium

http://www.unlimitedhealth.nl/shop/bitterzout-epsom-zout-gram-p-2815.html

[Connecting with Sauce]

We are preparing for a liver detox and one of the things to start with is epsom salt.
Well, I went to different stores to find some and came up empty handed.
I found 1 thing and that is Magnesium chloride, which has the same laxative effect, so I was told.

The internet doesn't give an answer to me after some searching.

Can anyone here tell me if I can use magnesium chloride instead of epsom salt? and what would be the dosage?

thanks!

Before doing a liver flush, I highly recommend getting Andreas Moritz's book (available from Amazon for ~7-8 $ or £ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Liver-Gallbladder-Miracle-Cleanse-All-natural/dp/1569756066/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_c), the one linked to in the original PA1 thread (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16447&highlight=liver) It was linked in the first post of this thread... I document my results and some other information I'm not sure is fully covered in this thread. In the book there are alternative and recommendations for various conditions and mentions doing kidney cleanses depending on where someone is at... There is also the protocol and procedure within a whole chapter of the book Chapter 4... I have given this to people and explained what to do and one or two haven't followed it exactly and haven't had a good cleanse or no stones produced... I would suggest getting the book first and reading it so you understand what to expect and why it is SO important to do for good health and vitality... Here is my recommendation of the book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/1569756066/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1).

Epson Salts are also called Magnesium Sulphate, there is another magnesium recommended in the book I don't think it is magnesium Chloride though..

Good luck and once you have all the information I'm sure you will have a successful flush... I even got a sieve full of parasites out (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=173095&postcount=34) in my 4th flush!

Flush-tastic!

ps Epson salts were available in Tesco in boxes up to 5kg in size :) the last one I bought was 2kg for around £5 I think...

[Connecting with Sauce]

Spot on there.

I wonder if this stagnation of Chi in the Liver also causes the stagnation of chi in the knees and ankles, or if there is a relation there.
I have had problems (mild inflammations and unexplainable injuries at the knees many times in my life), and my girlfriend, who can feel chi flows, says that the chi flow in my legs is stagnated and when she de-blocks the stagnation in the ankles, the stagnation immediately forms a bit higher in the leg. I actually have a rheumatoid arthritis in one knee now for some time.
I do exercises for it (chi flow) that help to some extend, but it is working as a bandage only so far.
I hope that with the coming liver flushes, there will be improvement in that area as well.

My intuition always linked my angry like personality to the liver. Well angry as in, grumpiness and with a short fuse sometimes.
I actually went to therapy for that (short fuse), but not with the result that I hoped for. It's still there.

I don't know, but reading this book from Andreas Moritz feels like a big congregation of roads. A turn around point if you will.

I will look into that website as well. Try some herbs maybe, to get the chi flow in the right direction :)

My analogy with anger and the liver flush...

Before flush it is like a kettle which has recently been boiled... and boiling is anger... Doing a liver flush or three (I've done 12+ now) is like changing the water in the kettle for fresh cold water. I no longer feel angry at all about anything and more observe situations rather than get emotionally "tweaked" by them, if this makes sense... I think it is ONE OF THE BEST things ANYONE can do to regain their health and mental stability...

John Shore

[Connecting with Sauce]

The Epsom salt I used was the one made of USP grade material, 100% natural magnesium sulfate that's usually used for bath... the one that specifies "not recommended for ingestion" :) .

I think A LOT of things which are good for you have this label on them ;) We recently saw this on the turmeric powder we get from Asia Shops in 400g bag for £2... Also the Clay I bought from a Koi Fish supplier is intended for Koi Fish ponds but the fish consume it and don't float... so I guess I will be fine... We have to take back our power and do what we intuitively know is good for us and make up our own minds.

[East Sun]

For the longest time I've wanted to learn how to do detox but I need a book or some direction on where to start. There are health issues to consider like the fact that I am 70 and had a heart attack twelve years ago. I'm semi vegetarian and physically in good shape. One year ago I decided to stop taking my prescription drugs for blood pressure and cholesterol. Since then I don't have as much energy and have slowed down a lot.
Is there a book that I could get that would spell it out for me. I need to learn about herbs also.
Any info. is greatly appreciated.

[Mu2143]

if you download Emule (http://www.emule-project.net/home/perl/general.cgi?l=29)and install it then do a search on Andreas Moritz you can download the PDF file of the book -The Amazing Liver Cleanse- and others

[Hervé]

Turmeric can help regenerate the liver, groundbreaking new research
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 by: J. D. Heyes

(NaturalNews) Incredible, groundbreaking new research just published in the Journal of the Medical Association of Thailand found that the primary polyphenol in turmeric - curcumin - is able to repair and even regenerate the liver tissues in diabetic rats.

Researchers at the Srinakharinwirot University in Bangkok administered curcumin to rats afflicted with diabetes and whose livers demonstrated the characteristic pathology and destruction of tissues and microvasculature. The curcumin was able to trigger a significant reversal of the condition.

"Fascinatingly, liver microvasculature in curcumin treated group developed into regenerate and repair into healthy and normal characteristics," the research team said, in its findings. "These results optimistically demonstrated the potential use of curcumin as a novel therapeutic agent in liver pathology of diabetic rats."

The Thai research is just the latest - albeit most promising to date - research showing a treatment link between curcumin and both forms of diabetes, Type I and Type II.

Earlier research reveals similar findings

Researchers, who published their results in the journal Diabetes Care in July, said they discovered that over nine months, a daily dose of curcumin - a compound in curry spice - appeared to prevent new cases of diabetes among people with so-called pre-diabetes, or abnormally high blood sugar levels that could eventually progress into full-blown Type II diabetes, which is also linked to obesity.

That study, which was also Thai-based, followed 240 adults with pre-diabetes who were randomly assigned to either take curcumin (http://www.naturalnews.com/curcumin.html) capsules or a placebo that looked identical but contained no active ingredient, Reuters reported.

After nine months, 19 of the 116 placebo patients had developed Type II diabetes, compared to none of the 119 patients who took the curcumin.

The researchers, led by Dr. Somlak Chuengsamarn of Srinakharinwirot University in Nakornnayok, Thailand, said their findings were an endorsement.

"Our study showed that the curcumin extract can effectively prevent the prediabetes population from developing type 2 diabetes (http://www.naturalnews.com/diabetes.html) mellitus," wrote the research team. "Although we found that the results were quite remarkable, a longer trial may be required to see if the curcumin-treated prediabetes population will eventually develop type 2 diabetes mellitus."

"Because of its benefits and safety, we propose that curcumin extract may be used for an intervention therapy for the prediabetes population," the team wrote.

One thing experts agree on is that the concentration of curcumin is not the same in each extract or capsule.

In the July Thai study, participants took six capsules a day containing 250 mg each of "curcuminoids."

Other health advantages

"Last year, the testing company ConsumerLab.com found that 20 percent of curcumin and turmeric (http://www.naturalnews.com/turmeric.html) supplements it tested failed the company's quality review. And the cost of getting the amount of curcumin used in this study would range from 39 cents to $1.50 per day, depending on the supplement used," Reuters reported.

As for the study's results, Constance Brown-Riggs, a certified diabetes educator and spokesperson for the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, said more research was needed but that what had been discovered thus far "is compelling, and the good news is there seemed to be minimal adverse effects."

Other health benefits are thought to be linked to this compound, which is one of the most clinically studied ever.

For example, "scientists agree that curcumin may have anti-inflammatory properties and may act as an antioxidant," says Discovery Health. "Other research is looking into the use of curcumin and turmeric in treating many medical conditions, including Alzheimer's disease, high cholesterol and osteoarthritis."

Even if you don't eat a lot of food from certain cultures that use curry, you have likely eaten something with curcumin. If you've had a hot dog with mustard, you have: curcumin gives mustard its distinctive tangy flavor and yellow color.

Sources:

http://www.greenmedinfo.com (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/turmeric-may-repair-and-regenerate-diabetic-liver-function)

http://www.greenmedinfo.com (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article/curcumin-treatment-beneficially-repaired-and-regenerated-liver-tissues)

http://www.reuters.com (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/27/us-curcumin-capsules-found-to-curb-diabe-idUSBRE86Q0ZN20120727)

http://health.howstuffworks.com (http://health.howstuffworks.com/skin-care/information/nutrition/curcumin-benefit-skin.htm)


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/037489_turmeric_liver_regeneration.html#ixzz290jMHSZr

[Ilie Pandia]

Well, 11th is behind me.

I've only passed a very very small stone.

So I guess I'll have my 12th next month and then I'm done :)

This is me before and after:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X9K4mdwBsvc/UAVWHo0OJJI/AAAAAAAAHwM/u005EwqrdjM/s320/inainte3.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s3dZb63aec8/UAVYqqEUBAI/AAAAAAAAHwo/s1XWXhTvNzI/s400/p_dupa.JPG

There is a dramatic drop in weight, that is obvious to everybody, but there have also been internal changes just as dramatic that you cannot see :biggrin:

[RunningDeer]

Wow Ilie, a big congrats!

[Hervé]

Hi Ilie!

That inner tube sure looks deflated!

[Ilie Pandia]

Some strange happened.

I've just passed a couple of huge (two thumbnails next two each other, huge) stones and some "yellowish sand"... This is very unexpected and now the abdomen feels like something really nasty got out. I've also felt a shiver up my spine and hair on the back of my head stand up. I don't know what to make of this, but I am reporting as it happened.

Looking back I did do something different with this flush (I think I've read someone's advice here about it). While lying on my back and not being sleepy I've decided to relax as deeply as I could and then have fun scrubbing clean my digestive tract, in my imagination. So I've "entered" each segment and cleaned it! I've used "special stomach spray", a gentle brush for the small intestine, and more rough one for the colon, and I've also squeezed the liver (that was like a sponge in my mind) and the gall bladder to get all the nasty stuff out. I had quite some fun doing this, and it took me about an hour. After I was done the "inside of me" feel very warm and pleasant, so I was happy about it.

Will report back if anything else happens :). This proves to be quite the journey...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Well, 11th is behind me.

I've only passed a very very small stone.

So I guess I'll have my 12th next month and then I'm done :)

This is me before and after:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X9K4mdwBsvc/UAVWHo0OJJI/AAAAAAAAHwM/u005EwqrdjM/s320/inainte3.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s3dZb63aec8/UAVYqqEUBAI/AAAAAAAAHwo/s1XWXhTvNzI/s400/p_dupa.JPG

There is a dramatic drop in weight, that is obvious to everybody, but there have also been internal changes just as dramatic that you cannot see :biggrin:

Are you sure you are still yourself;) you look like two different people:cool:

[Eram]

Amazing Ilie,

Is all this weight loss to be attributed to the liver cleansing only?

congratulations! :tea:



ps: I'd love to hear more about the internal changes if you ever feel like talking about it.

[Laurel]

Wow! What a change and you look great! Not just the weight loss... you face isn't puffy anymore. Really amazing! Congratulations!

[Ilie Pandia]

Amazing Ilie,

Is all this weight loss to be attributed to the liver cleansing only?

congratulations! :tea:



ps: I'd love to hear more about the internal changes if you ever feel like talking about it.

No, I don't think that is the result of only the liver flush.

In my own estimation the things that have contributed the most my getting thin are the liver flush and a professional colonic irrigation (aka as colon hydrotherapy). I've done around 6 or 7 colonics, but looking back the first 4 were the ones that really helped! with the very first one releasing a lot of pressure I used to have in the abdomen area.

But I've also cleansed the kidneys, the lungs and skins. The idea being to make sure that all waste removal organs function properly and will no longer be overwhelmed with the release of toxins.

I've also stopped eating meat. (I am not interested in a debate about vegetarians, I am just saying what I did). I will most likely resume eating meat but paying much more attention to how it feels in the body.

And finally I've started easy with some stretching. I made it a point do it every day even if for one minute :). So I did not push it, but I wanted to just create the habit of daily stretching. The focus while stretching was to clean the blood and the lymph and get the toxins out via the shortest way. So for a few months, detox was my main focus. Now I do more stretching and other muscle training, but again, I don't strain myself, so I don't get tempted to give up. I do as much or as little as I like, but do it daily. Even so, the capacity and will for movement improves.

Now the heart feels much more at ease. I don't get tired so easily. No more pain. There was a big pressure inside the body. Because this pressure built up over time, I did not know it was there! I was very surprised how I felt after I started to release some of that internal pressure.

As internal changes I've now gained a big trust in my body. I know that if I get out of the way it will heal itself, quickly. The body is now my friend and it works in support of my health. I have a very different attitude about it.

I also think very differently about food and nutrition in general. I am more confident with my choices in food, and I know I found something that works for me :), even though I still have friends and relatives that continue to explain to me how wrong and crazy I am... this kind of trust and experience is something that no one can take away from you. They have their theories, I have my experience.

I pay much more attention to the body as well! When I eat and after I eat I pay attention and respect the signals I get (that I used to ignore before). Even if a food is "super healthy" if I can't digest it I will not eat it, or I try a different source, if I suspect the food source might be the problem. So generally I became much more "health aware", and I know I can heal myself.

I've also learned that this process is not for everybody. So try it out if you feel like it, but if you don't like what it happens to you, don't push it, find something else. There are quite a few other things here at Avalon that you can try out.

[Hervé]

Some strange happened.

I've just passed a couple of huge (two thumbnails next two each other, huge) stones and some "yellowish sand"... This is very unexpected and now the abdomen feels like something really nasty got out.

[...]

Hi Ilie!

You lost me somewhere in there: I am not sure if these bigger gallstones came out with a flush or if they came out way after the flush?

[Ilie Pandia]

Some strange happened.

I've just passed a couple of huge (two thumbnails next two each other, huge) stones and some "yellowish sand"... This is very unexpected and now the abdomen feels like something really nasty got out.

[...]

Hi Ilie!

You lost me somewhere in there: I am not sure if these bigger gallstones came out with a flush or if they came out way after the flush?

They came out roughly 24 hours after the flush :).

They may have come out sooner, but I was not at home and I could not go to the toilet where I was.

[Hervé]

Thanks!

Quite unusual to the least.

Here is the result for my flush #2, not as "spectacular" as my first one (see post # 92 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox--from-av1-&p=552916&viewfull=1#post552916)) but at least the jaundice is subsiding:



https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pl3x_BfPHQ8jhTx5NPjB4uIeEiIqf8agJXI5RLDNLZBVCCRNxsnStWh1L43jbHgtbgqO5k9W-qWBT0tPfjR1J_hK5hm8oL3wG/IMG_1879b.jpg?psid=1



A lot less stones and way smaller than from the first flush in spite of being done on the eve of a new moon (Andreas Moritz advice).


[coin is 19 mm accross (3/4")]

[Connecting with Sauce]

I've had stones come out 2-3 hours after the rest so they could have been still in the liver... or lodged somewhere... Someone I know didn't get any stones for 2 days then a whole sieve full of gallbladder stones... They feel MUCH better now!!!

I used to be 118 kg 7-8 years ago and I'm now a steady 77kg various things have lost that but the main ones are liver flushing correct diet and of course HCG (which was ~14kg in itself) (see my other posts on PA1 and here)... I do see my sixpack emerging so something is right... we're experiementing with mainly raw vegan food and some fermented foods too.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

Two days ago I've finished my 12th and final liver and gall bladder flush. Noting interesting came out this time. In the last few months the body has stabilized around 69kg (from 109 at my biggest).

I am very very pleased with the results and grateful for having found this information here on Avalon (and of course to Andreas for taking the time to put this out there).

Good luck to all that are following the procedure now :)

PS: I need to update my avatar with my new deflated face :biggrin:

[Connecting with Sauce]

For those in and around London this event I will be talking at may be worth coming to:

http://www.thebrickhouse.co.uk/distilled-waters-conference-tuesday-20th-november/

[wegge]

Over the weekend i did my 3rd flush. Not that many stones came out, a lot less then the last 2 times. The ones coming out were rather small, but I think there was also some
grit . I did use glaubersalt instead of epsom salt this time.

[RunningDeer]

Over the weekend i did my 3rd flush. Not that many stones came out, a lot less then the last 2 times. The ones coming out were rather small, but I think there was also some
grit . I did use glaubersalt instead of epsom salt this time.

Hi Wegge, your 3rd flush is similar to mine. By the 4th, there was a noticeable increase in stones with the ongoing process to loosen the congestion. I’m beginning my 7th.

You probably already know about the “grit/sawdust” so I’ll add for others that may consider the flush:

“You may find a layer of white or tan-colored chaff, or “foam,” floating in the toilet. The foam consist of millions of tiny white, sharp-edged cholesterol crystals, which can easily rupture small bile ducts. They are equally important to release.”

This last time I substituted the apple juice with “Bragg Organic Apple Cider Vinegar”. I found it in the market in the healthy food isle. It’s cost effective. The apple juice was too sweet even watered down. You take 1-2 T in water, 4 times a day, for 6 days.

[Eram]

Yesterday I finished my 2th flush. :)
I think I must have passed between 80 and 150 stones, varying in size from lentil to marble.

Much more then the first time when it was not more then 30 I guess.

I did it near the new moon this time which may have something to do with it.

I feel an increase in energy...
Also more grounded as in, in touch with myself, has anyone else experienced this?

a personal note:

- Both times I have been feeling sick during the night from the oil-grapefruit mix.

- I am definitely not a fan of the 'not eating for almost a day' part.
My name comes from the Lord of the Rings and belongs to a Hobbit and I recently emigrated to Hobbit Country... (Wallonie) Belgium :P
Whenever I read about breathenarians I always think: Why in the world would you want to do that for?

It is so good to do this cleansing, I can feel it in every fiber of my body.
Imagine what would happen when most people in the world would do this regularly.
a total collapse of the economic structure I'm sure, due to the bankruptcy of the 'Big Pharmacy' companies. LOL

ps: WCBD... Must it be Bragg Organic Apple Cider Vinegar per se, or will any organic apple Vinegar do?
In the book they say it is the acid in the apple juice that makes the stones go soft isn't it? I have been thinking about apple vinegar too, because 1 liter of apple juice a day doesn't become me too well.

[Hervé]

Third liver flush done with even less stones and smaller in size than with the second one.

However, this time and after the second serving of epsom salt (before ingesting the oil/grapefruit juice mixture), I passed half a dozen, lentil-size, stone-hard concretions; whereas the next morning the stones passed were the green, softer, oily type.

[RunningDeer]

Yesterday I finished my 2th flush. :)
I think I must have passed between 80 and 150 stones, varying in size from lentil to marble.

Much more then the first time when it was not more then 30 I guess.

I did it near the new moon this time which may have something to do with it.

I feel an increase in energy...
Also more grounded as in, in touch with myself, has anyone else experienced this?

a personal note:

- Both times I have been feeling sick during the night from the oil-grapefruit mix.

- I am definitely not a fan of the 'not eating for almost a day' part.
My name comes from the Lord of the Rings and belongs to a Hobbit and I recently emigrated to Hobbit Country... (Wallonie) Belgium :P
Whenever I read about breathenarians I always think: Why in the world would you want to do that for?

It is so good to do this cleansing, I can feel it in every fiber of my body.
Imagine what would happen when most people in the world would do this regularly.
a total collapse of the economic structure I'm sure, due to the bankruptcy of the 'Big Pharmacy' companies. LOL

ps: WCBD... Must it be Bragg Organic Apple Cider Vinegar per se, or will any organic apple Vinegar do?
In the book they say it is the acid in the apple juice that makes the stones go soft isn't it? I have been thinking about apple vinegar too, because 1 liter of apple juice a day doesn't becomes me too well.

Mixed up responses below:

Yes, your choice is fine. 'Bragg' is a name brand that's been around since 1912. Sounds like I'm a factoid collector. Just reading from label. It’s the substitute for intolerance to apple juice.

From the author: “Although the liver flush is effective at any time of the month, it should preferably coincide with a day between the full moon and new moon. Try to avoid doing the actual flush on full moon day (body tends to hold more fluids in the brain and tissues on this day than on others). The day of the new moon is the most conducive for cleansing and healing.”

I vomited the next morning on the second one because that week I had a Ben & Jerry's, i.e. high fat content in body system. The oil and juice mix was still in my stomach that morning. I get heartburn with the oil mixture at bedtime, so I take a Zantac a couple of hours before I glug-glug. I believe that I read also that if there's nausea, it'll be early on because those long, stuck critters are loosening up. Them little suckers are so not happy...

I also experience sensations, both grounding and clear thinking.

I consider the breathenarian journey, until I realized that I couldn't eat. Food's my drug of choice. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/roflmao-smiley-face.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

[astrid]

Ok.. I'm a total newbie to this.. have the book, reading now..

My first question is can you use fresh apple juice instead of the store bought
reconstituted type??

[Connecting with Sauce]

Astrid, freshly made apple juice is better yes. I used store bought stuff.

[astrid]

Ok... thanks, i just ordered a few KGs of organic jucing apples, i get them tomorrow

Although i will be starting this is the wrong moon cycle, maybe i should wait, until after the full moon

[Ilie Pandia]

Astrid, I've tried drinking freshly juiced apples but that was really hard to get down after the first liter.

In the end, I've looked for apple juice in the store that was at least advertized as 100% natural and with no added sugar. I made a point to look for "malic acid" on the label, since that was what I need from said juice.

But if you can drink the freshly juiced apples in the required quantities that would be awesome :).

[astrid]

I already drink a litre of more of green juice a day, which has at least one apple,
so im hoping that my body will be relatively ok, with the apple part of this,
the epsom salts... im not so sure about, i think i will be using some drinking straws for that part...

[The Truth Is In There]

did a liver/gallbladder flush last night to see if any new stones had accumulated after the recently stopped raw meat and kefir experiment. apparently for my genotype and blood type A it's not a good idea to eat red meat, let alone raw, and consume copious amounts of dairy products. result being a slight case of acne and lower back pain (kidneys). the back pain has since disappeared, slight acne persists, hence the liver flush. last one was a year or so ago (of a series of 7 or 8, eventually w/o stones or grit).

well, this one was nice. coffee enema this morning, after the normal cleansing procedure last night including nausea after midnight and excretion front and back. same every time, i love that part. today since the enema and until three hours later several bowel movements but so far not a single stone, no grit, just plenty of bright green bile. nausea almost gone. conclusion, acne most likely not due to obstructed bile ducts but probably impaired gut flora due to the raw meat/dairy experiment. focus on fish and veggies now, increase carbs back to about 15-20% daily calorie intake.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Without spoiling my talk... Liver flushing will be one of the topics I will touch on :)

Ok...

OK an Update on the DISTILLED WATER CONFERENCE in the UK which I will be speaking at...

It is going ahead.. BUT at a different location and it will be

FREE but only 70 seats maximum...

Details for those who Facebook >
https://www.facebook.com/events/294630907320632/296179270499129/?notif_t=event_mall_comment

For those that don't it will be at the Bread and Roses pub from ~5:30pm onwards to close... SW4 6DZ

Evening of the 20th November 2012

[Connecting with Sauce]

A banner now available:

Dave Murphy, Andrew Norton Webber and Myself (John Shore) will be presenting in London this Tuesday on the 20th November see the flyer below.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/jonnoshore/breadrosespubbanner1.png

Seating for ~70 so first come first seated :)

[Connecting with Sauce]

Well there was an interesting thing which happened JUST before my talk... I went to my old thread to find the PARASITE photo from my 4th flush which sort of blows out the "It's the epson salt and oil mixing together" quackwatch talk... I added the red-box zoom in for the presentation... It looked great on the big screen ;)

For those that missed it this is a slide from my presentation :) sorry if you've recently eaten:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/jonnoshore/4th_flush-PARASITES.jpg

[Hervé]

And now, for my fourth liver flush prompted by stomach cramps which wouldn't go away and since I am not interested in suffering another jaundice (see post # 92 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox--from-av1-&p=552916&viewfull=1#post552916)):

First batch:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p4cVvMgtbD22IqmM4zIDnu6yf5Sj3teOWD3z1XpBrqYKBdI8zb7Ur7VAupR9ReTAFkOe7yqOfhNnH6eLWBZqls-uuHkN8thza/IMG_1901.JPG?psid=1

Coin is 19 mm across. To the right of the coin are the stones which came after the first ingestion of Epsom salt. To the left are the stones passed after the second dose of Epsom salt and before ingesting the olive oil mixture.


https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p3PpW0gKgxVrrZHg0Hcermo2Q_7GhLMC_2imOXgAdpgqHMCfVefj5TjGu_z6Fr4t7zzSAiQtlKcNQ78ijIjvCNsTiiLs_yBWT/IMG_1894.JPG?psid=1

Second batch after the olive oil and before the third dose of Epsom salt. The stones look darker than in the following pictures due to being oxidized through longer air exposure than the "fresh" stones before taking the pictures.




https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1prPUXQVJT30mh68YbmY8GQMEKnuwh9IfI8KzwcvhGf4XpflUZXW_KnNoAjWoRHfTpwD5TG_JDj-a4bje-vE-b3cWGU0squ1-B/IMG_1885.JPG?psid=1

Third batch after the third ingestion of Epsom salt with stones and micro-crystalline "chaff."



https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pPZtDpZRv8mJ1N7_hfnVM-sJFUtmWAb8lUvFzH0CE8cCbu9C9iUGB8UwXcRkfrPc0L9peU6agldKzg3I_JkfSrSKjPJp84nXv/IMG_1885a.jpg?psid=1

Same as above, color enhanced.



https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1phVdtQRtmXIxpvHvXTPA60RX4uap5ACY_Gx9OvrKUkzo9NJ8288Hp9xQ8lMB6kwIhl2OpMUaexMnCKSSCn9XIDIUbRwweAfiI/IMG_1888.JPG?psid=1

Sample of the above.



https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pYqsAWZ7tSRSQ6wfpIhIssT68cUvgqfipVCHrV_-3CgaFNkl4dY7-jLmC_DSepS5-vzke7s5vdTt_Hw5QdUEHysfc6kaM0H8o/IMG_1907.JPG?psid=1

Fourth batch after the last dose of Epsom salt with stones and micro-crystalline "chaff."



https://qy9cnq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pF8MLZbSO26n4KezDXla4KI1tTXTPlcKxEbbpTqj06yG_CXpF5a5yfFjEDANGfpWmRJX2S71MvwxXEdYyDs5Ha0fyaEth9plo/IMG_1910.JPG?psid=1

Sample of the above.

In short, I have never passed that many stones nor that big (except for my first flush, post # 92 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox--from-av1-&p=552916&viewfull=1#post552916) earlier in this thread, when bigger stones came out but not as many as this time).


I am detailing this particular cleanse I finished November the 27th because this was a "Full Moon" day and therefore doesn't quite match Andreas Moritz's inferred advice to avoid performing cleanses on full moon days.

The only change I made from the previous cleanses is that I started taking "Chanca Piedra" for about a week prior to the cleanse.

[RunningDeer]

And now, for my fourth liver flush prompted by stomach cramps which wouldn't go away and since I am not interested in suffering another jaundice

How many liver flushes did you go through the first round? It'll be interesting to see if it's less this time. Have you changed your diet to reflect a "new and improved Amzer Zo model"? For maintenance, I read where one should do it every 6-8 months.

I'm coming up on my 8th flush. Last time, I flipped the whole thing. Rather than glugging down the oil/juice mixture @ 10:00 p.m, I did it 10:00 a.m. For one, it helped with the heartburn problem. Rather than apple juice, I used Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar 6 days out, 2 T in water, 4 times a day.

[Hervé]

And now, for my fourth liver flush prompted by stomach cramps which wouldn't go away and since I am not interested in suffering another jaundice

How many liver flushes did you go through the first round?

[...]

Which first round?

Did you check those Ts and Is... and read my posts? :jester:

[RunningDeer]

And now, for my fourth liver flush prompted by stomach cramps which wouldn't go away and since I am not interested in suffering another jaundice

How many liver flushes did you go through the first round?

[...]

Which first round?

Did you check those Ts and Is... and read my posts? :jester:

"Did you check those Ts and Is (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51803-Alex-Collier--s-Spirit-is-Broken-Please-Help-Him-Reconnect-With-Us-All--&p=582037&viewfull=1#post582037)... and read my posts?"

"Drats..." "Of all the people to post that, too," she said.


I bet you couldn't wait to post back.
Mea culpa, mea culpa, walla walla bing bang.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/DANCING_BABY.gif

TYgOlqinH7A


I saw the date September and it seems like two lifetimes ago. My focus was more on the pictures you posted. Though, I did read back then. Note to self: I must add to my list, to memorize all posts, too. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/big-smile2-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)


PS Token comment to demonstrate that I re-read it: "Oh, Amzer Zo, I see you switched to the vinegar, too," she commented.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer :wave:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Just finished my 10th or 11th flush, i lost count, below some examples of this times results, i flushed a lot more through the bowl or they just fell through with all the watery crappola, this time i had a lot of yellow gritty gallblatter stuff too almost enough to fill a small sized glass, did not bother to go through that i just flushed it.

I must say i become more reluctant to do the flushes lately, i just cant stomach the taste of the epsom salts anymore, even when mixed with some lemonade or juice.

I think i am going to buy myself a capsule maker to at least avoid the taste of the epsom, the grapefruit and olive oil did not become me this time, gagged through the whole shaker i use to mix it in, no way around that one i guess.

Had a real bad night this time too, very nausious, tossing and turning all night long, a real bad headache this time, i am so crancky i could punch a gorilla in the face just for kicks, bweurgh, i am going drink a lot of juice today and maybe later some soup, and take it easy for the rest of the day, cant remember any of the previous flushes made me feel so yechy.

Plumber out.

19499

[RunningDeer]

Hang in there Beasty Plumber,


i am so crancky i could punch a gorilla in the face just for kicks

Sounds like you've loosened some of the deeper stuck ones this time. That's why so much nausea. It's a good sign. I'm day three into my 8th. I agree about epsom drink. I don't mix it with anything because I'd have to drink more than the 6 oz. I tell myself that it's only four times. I wash out my mouth with water immediately and remind myself it's 1 down 3 to go. The oil and juice glug is gross. I psych myself up and saying it's only one.

Based on your picture and it's number 10/11th flush, it's good that you are doing this for yourself. One last point, the anger that's triggered makes perfect sense. The liver is where the anger and rage energetics is held. You are releasing what's not you. Congrats!

For your protection, please put out a sign: "BEWARE! Gorillas pass at your own risk. It's nothing personal."

WhiteCrowBlackDeer out. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/big-smile2-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)


Just finished my 10th or 11th flush, i lost count, below some examples of this times results, i flushed a lot more through the bowl or they just fell through with all the watery crappola, this time i had a lot of yellow gritty gallblatter stuff too almost enough to fill a small sized glass, did not bother to go through that i just flushed it.

I must say i become more reluctant to do the flushes lately, i just cant stomach the taste of the epsom salts anymore, even when mixed with some lemonade or juice.

I think i am going to buy myself a capsule maker to at least avoid the taste of the epsom, the grapefruit and olive oil did not become me this time, gagged through the whole shaker i use to mix it in, no way around that one i guess.

Had a real bad night this time too, very nausious, tossing and turning all night long, a real bad headache this time, i am so crancky i could punch a gorilla in the face just for kicks, bweurgh, i am going drink a lot of juice today and maybe later some soup, and take it easy for the rest of the day, cant remember any of the previous flushes made me feel so yechy.

Plumber out.

19499

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Thanks for supporting the ape WCBD :o

This is what i am getting to get around the epsom taste, might help you as well, they are 22.50 in euro's, thats acceptable to me.

19500

-rAOJzAcEbg

[RunningDeer]

Thanks for supporting the ape WCBD :o

This is what i am getting to get around the epsom taste, might help you as well, they are 22.50 in euro's, thats acceptable to me.

19500

-rAOJzAcEbg

Wow, great idea! It also tells me how much you hate the epsom taste. I'm thinking it's too much work to make them. But I Googled this:

Magnesium Sulfate USP (Epsom Salts) (http://www.drclarkstore.com/magnesium-sulfate-usp.html). It's a link for reference. It may be cheaper somewhere else. I'm definitely going to purchase. Problem solved. Now if there was only a way to down 20-30 capsules of olive oil and juice in one minute's time, I might consider time, energy and patience with that machine. Hold on, I'll be right back....

...Yup, they've got extra virgin olive oil capsules (http://www.seagateproducts.com/olive-oil-capsule.html)! I'm guessing, you'd just down them with the orange/lemon juice. Now that I see there's another way, I'm thinking that I'm almost at the end of this whole procedure. My plan is to purchase the ready made epsom capsules, and continue to glug-glug down the oil cuz it's only once.

Look what you've done, 665 plumber of the beast? Problem solved. Yes, you've made my day! http://serve.mysmiley.net/cool/cool0012.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

xo

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Thanks WCBD,

i already knew they made the espson caps but i think they are a bit on the expensive side, 100 caps for 11.50 and you need 60 per flush, thats a bit much for me, i bought 1 kg of epsom for 4.99 so i already have that and the capping machine is well worth it imo, it takes about 10 minutes to make them, those olive oil caps however look very good to me, i wonder how much it would take to lube a liver so the stones can come skiing out, would not surprise me if it would take about 30 oilcaps, i think this actually deserves it own thread since it can make the cleanse more acceptable and less weird or extreme for most people, the pictures will be just as gross as in the old days of course.

Luv, from a slightly less cranky Plumber ( i wonder what i will dream of this night, i always dream pretty heavy the day after a cleanse).

[RunningDeer]

Thanks for supporting the ape WCBD :o

This is what i am getting to get around the epsom taste, might help you as well, they are 22.50 in euro's, thats acceptable to me.

19500

-rAOJzAcEbg

Wow, great idea! It also tells me how much you hate the epsom taste. I'm thinking it's too much work to make them. But I Googled this:

Magnesium Sulfate USP (Epsom Salts) (http://www.drclarkstore.com/magnesium-sulfate-usp.html). It's a link for reference. It may be cheaper somewhere else. I'm definitely going to purchase. Problem solved. Now if there was only a way to down 20-30 capsules of olive oil and juice in one minute's time, I might consider time, energy and patience with that machine. Hold on, I'll be right back....

...Yup, they've got extra virgin olive oil capsules (http://www.seagateproducts.com/olive-oil-capsule.html)! I'm guessing, you'd just down them with the orange/lemon juice. Now that I see there's another way, I'm thinking that I'm almost at the end of this whole procedure. My plan is to purchase the ready made epsom capsules, and continue to glug-glug down the oil cuz it's only once.

Look what you've done, 665 plumber of the beast? Problem solved. Yes, you've made my day! http://serve.mysmiley.net/cool/cool0012.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

xo


Thanks for supporting the ape WCBD :o

UPDATE: I just reviewed the information on epsom capsules. Each Liver Flush requires four portions of 15 capsules with 8 oz of water. That's too much work. The 6 oz of solution for 6 seconds doesn't seem so bad after all. But to know there's another way makes it more palatable.

Huh? http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/yapyapyap-smiley.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

PS Oops, just saw your post up there.

UPDATE of UPDATE:


30 oilcaps, i think this actually deserves it own thread since it can make the cleanse more acceptable and less weird or extreme for most people, the pictures will be just as gross as in the old days of course.

Luv, from a slightly less cranky Plumber ( i wonder what i will dream of this night, i always dream pretty heavy the day after a cleanse).

I wondered if the oil caps would take too long to break down. Too, the energy to break them down takes away from the process of the cleansing.

I like the sense of peace and lightness when it's over. It makes me appreciate and respect the body vessel. And if I'm going through all this, it helps me make better choices of what goes in.

As for the pictures, it's shocking but a helpful visual for those to see what's in the body that prevents it from running the healing energies around it.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Brb ,will throw a fish oil gel cap in warm water to see how fast it dissolves, i dont think its aproblem when you chug down the gel caps a few minutes before you take the grapefruitjuice.

I'll update as soon as i have a result, should only take a few minutes.

Well, dissolves fast enough allright, but the contents of the caps are very small, i do not think this is going to work at all, we might be stuck with the oil and the juice, but hey, if i can kill the horrible epsom taste i am a happy camper, last night and this morning i stood there, wanting to drink it but hestitated a few times each time, taking a deep breath and i could taste it before i drank it, so, not good, i will make caps next time.

[RunningDeer]

Brb ,will throw a fish oil gel cap in warm water to see how fast it dissolves, i dont think its aproblem when you chug down the gel caps a few minutes before you take the grapefruitjuice.

I'll update as soon as i have a result, should only take a few minutes.

FYI: I've updated the update, up there. (slow poster, sigh..) I've flipped the routine around so that I drink the oil at 10:00 am rather than 10:00 pm. I couldn't sleep and I'd get bad heartburn. That schedule is better for me.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Brb ,will throw a fish oil gel cap in warm water to see how fast it dissolves, i dont think its aproblem when you chug down the gel caps a few minutes before you take the grapefruitjuice.

I'll update as soon as i have a result, should only take a few minutes.

FYI: I've updated the update, up there. (slow poster, sigh..) I've flipped the routine around so that I drink the oil at 10:00 am rather than 10:00 pm. I couldn't sleep and I'd get bad heartburn. That schedule is better for me.

I updated my previous post too, check it out.

[RunningDeer]

Brb ,will throw a fish oil gel cap in warm water to see how fast it dissolves, i dont think its aproblem when you chug down the gel caps a few minutes before you take the grapefruitjuice.

I'll update as soon as i have a result, should only take a few minutes.

FYI: I've updated the update, up there. (slow poster, sigh..) I've flipped the routine around so that I drink the oil at 10:00 am rather than 10:00 pm. I couldn't sleep and I'd get bad heartburn. That schedule is better for me.

I updated my previous post too, check it out.


if i can kill the horrible epsom taste i am a happy camper, last night and this morning i stood there, wanting to drink it but hestitated a few times each time, taking a deep breath and i could taste it before i drank it, so, not good, i will make caps next time.

Big chuckles with your description of drinking that 'yum-yum health cocktail'. You must be channeling me, or is it the other way around?

One suggestion they gave was to use a drinking straw. I thought it would take too long. I just make it go way back in the throat where it misses as many taste buds as possible. :wave:

That last one is the hardest. I've been known to leave a tiny bit in the glass... :secret:

It's been nice visiting with you.
Toodles for now.
............Going, going, gone..........................................:car:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Brb ,will throw a fish oil gel cap in warm water to see how fast it dissolves, i dont think its aproblem when you chug down the gel caps a few minutes before you take the grapefruitjuice.

I'll update as soon as i have a result, should only take a few minutes.

FYI: I've updated the update, up there. (slow poster, sigh..) I've flipped the routine around so that I drink the oil at 10:00 am rather than 10:00 pm. I couldn't sleep and I'd get bad heartburn. That schedule is better for me.

I updated my previous post too, check it out.

Big chuckles with your description of drink that health cocktail. One suggestion they gave was to use a drinking straw. I thought it would take too long. I just make it go way back in the throat where it misses as many taste buds as possible. :wave:

That last one is the hardest. I've been known to leave a tiny bit in the glass... :secret:

I know, i use this shaker ( image for you, fresh picture, grinn), and as you can see there is still some in the bottom of the shaker, the advantage (imo) is that you can use the small but large spout to tank it down real fast, takes about five, looooooooooooooong seconds, yech.

I fill this 3/4 with 50/50 juice/oil.

19501

Bye, Bying, Byest.

[RunningDeer]

Brb ,will throw a fish oil gel cap in warm water to see how fast it dissolves, i dont think its aproblem when you chug down the gel caps a few minutes before you take the grapefruitjuice.

I'll update as soon as i have a result, should only take a few minutes.

FYI: I've updated the update, up there. (slow poster, sigh..) I've flipped the routine around so that I drink the oil at 10:00 am rather than 10:00 pm. I couldn't sleep and I'd get bad heartburn. That schedule is better for me.

I updated my previous post too, check it out.

Big chuckles with your description of drink that health cocktail. One suggestion they gave was to use a drinking straw. I thought it would take too long. I just make it go way back in the throat where it misses as many taste buds as possible. :wave:

That last one is the hardest. I've been known to leave a tiny bit in the glass... :secret:

I know, i use this shaker ( image for you, fresh picture, grinn), and as you can see there is still some in the bottom of the shaker, the advantage (imo) is that you can use the small but large spout to tank it down real fast, takes about five, looooooooooooooong seconds, yech.

I fill this 3/4 with 50/50 juice/oil.

19501

Ugh! 5 seconds flat. Your good.

That's looks like a lot of glugging. I use by Andreas Moritz method which is 6 oz of juice in mason jar, add 4 oz olive oil and shake 20 times. So that 50/50 would be really hard to get down.

This is Andreas Moritz's free eBook: "Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation". (http://j.b5z.net/i/u/7000617/f/Timeless_Secrets_of_Health_and_Rejuvenation_NOV_2007_eBook.pdf) It's so chock full of great information that I purchased a hard copy. It's not your typical health book. There's a chapter on the liver gallbladder cleanse in this one, too.

I also have Andreas Moritz eBook, which is my favorite source. It's a quick read and easy reference. - "The Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush (http://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Liver-Gallbladder-Flush-ebook/dp/B003TU0RFG/ref=sr_1_4?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1352989681&sr=1-4&keywords=andreas+moritz)" for $9.99.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Brb ,will throw a fish oil gel cap in warm water to see how fast it dissolves, i dont think its aproblem when you chug down the gel caps a few minutes before you take the grapefruitjuice.

I'll update as soon as i have a result, should only take a few minutes.

FYI: I've updated the update, up there. (slow poster, sigh..) I've flipped the routine around so that I drink the oil at 10:00 am rather than 10:00 pm. I couldn't sleep and I'd get bad heartburn. That schedule is better for me.

I updated my previous post too, check it out.

Big chuckles with your description of drink that health cocktail. One suggestion they gave was to use a drinking straw. I thought it would take too long. I just make it go way back in the throat where it misses as many taste buds as possible. :wave:

That last one is the hardest. I've been known to leave a tiny bit in the glass... :secret:

I know, i use this shaker ( image for you, fresh picture, grinn), and as you can see there is still some in the bottom of the shaker, the advantage (imo) is that you can use the small but large spout to tank it down real fast, takes about five, looooooooooooooong seconds, yech.

I fill this 3/4 with 50/50 juice/oil.

19501

Ugh! 5 seconds flat. Your good.

That's looks like a lot of glugging. I use by Andreas Moritz method which is 6 oz of juice in mason jar, add 4 oz olive oil and shake 20 times. So that 50/50 would be really hard to get down. I've added a link above for a free download pdf of his book.

I have the book, i lend it to everybody but nobody actually does it, say it takes to much discipline, one weekend a month, they think thats dicipline. And the 50/50 dissolves the oil better i think ( to me it does)

[RunningDeer]

I have the book, i lend it to everybody but nobody actually does it, say it takes to much discipline, one weekend a month, they think thats dicipline. And the 50/50 dissolves the oil better i think ( to me it does)

You are going above and beyond. Kudos to you. Typically, it's more juice than oil: 6 oz juice to 4 oz oil. Which would dissolve the oil better. I'm tempted to add more juice, but that is too much for the liver/gallbladder system to process. Besides, if I'm going to take in extra oil, it'll be from Ben & Jerry's. Oops, did I just say that out aloud?

I'm doing the flush every 3 weeks. I'm impatient. One could say that's another sign of unbalanced liver energetics. Ha!

My goal is to have the best possible energetic vessel come December 21, 2012. I want to take in any and all upgrade-zaps possible that the Universe is offering to anyone that's interested. That is along with other work of mind, body and spirit. Or have a stated the obvious A-gain?

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

Something that I've discovered rather by accident: if the water you use for the epsom salt is slightly warm it goes down much faster and easier. The body does not reject it as much, even if the taste is the same. Cold water is horrible. Give it a shot, you will see the difference. "Slightly warm" means at body temperature or just above it.

The same goes for the oil mixture! Only one time I drank that thing cold and it was nasty! I usually had no problem with the oil mixture at all.

[Eram]

Hello,

Something that I've discovered rather by accident: if the water you use for the epsom salt is slightly warm it goes down much faster and easier. The body does not reject it as much, even if the taste is the same. Cold water is horrible. Give it a shot, you will see the difference. "Slightly warm" means at body temperature or just above it.

The same goes for the oil mixture! Only one time I drank that thing cold and it was nasty! I usually had no problem with the oil mixture at all.

The book stated that it is best to avoid to consume anything under room temperature during the week prior to the flush, because cold drinks and foods could cause the liver to 'freeze'. (no explanation of what that might mean and what the consequences are).

I warmed my epsom solution every time before drinking for that reason, because we don't want a frozen liver during the flush now do we? :P

Strangely haven't thought about warming the oil, juice mixture before :der:... on second hand... not so strange, considering my air head character.

Would be nice if a warm solution of oil and juice would prevent the sick feeling at night.
Who knows... I'm going to find out in 2 days.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hello,

Something that I've discovered rather by accident: if the water you use for the epsom salt is slightly warm it goes down much faster and easier. The body does not reject it as much, even if the taste is the same. Cold water is horrible. Give it a shot, you will see the difference. "Slightly warm" means at body temperature or just above it.

The same goes for the oil mixture! Only one time I drank that thing cold and it was nasty! I usually had no problem with the oil mixture at all.

The book stated that it is to best to avoid to consume anything under room temperature during the week prior to the flush, because cold drinks and foods could cause the liver to 'freeze'. (no explanation of what that might mean and what the consequences are).

I warmed my epsom solution every time before drinking for that reason, because we don't want a frozen liver during the flush now do we? :P

Strangely haven't thought about warming the oil, juice mixture before :der:... on second hand... not so strange, considering my air head character.

Would be nice if a warm solution of oil and juice would prevent the sick feeling at night.
Who knows... I'm going to find out in 2 days.

I hope you wont be disapointed an it proves to be an OK tip.

Succes ermee Toek!

[Ilie Pandia]

Before I've started the liver and gall bladder flush on my own, I had the "pleasure" of having to rush my brother to the emergency room to remove some kidney stones.

The experience at the hospital was so scary for me, even though I was only an observer and offering support. I've decided then and there that I will do anything in my power not have to go to a hospital in an emergency state...

Considering that, and the pain and side effects that may show up during and after a surgical operation, drinking 4 glasses of epsom salts and one of oil with grapefruit it really is the friendliest protocol I've ever done, and I am very thankful for it!!

PS: With regards to oil, try different brands, some taste better than others. The one I've found I really like and it's very easy to drink as long as it not cold :).

[astrid]

Ok.. at the business end of my first ever flush,
first glass of Epsom Salts down, and so far so good.
MY filtered water is room temp, i added a dash of lemon as well,
then drank it all down with a straw, not that bad, i can tolerate this.

Tonight is the new moon, so its great timing,
fingers crossed that it will all go smoothly.

This thread has been a great help,
so thanks to everyone for posting their experiences.

[astrid]

2.22 am now , after taking the oil mix earlier
I have some headaches but only had very slight
nausea so far .

I had been doing colon cleansing over the last
week and I think that has helped alot .
First time ever for me and I was kind of shocked
by the "results " . Sparing the details , lol
but man ... And I have been totally veggie and
organic for a couple if year now .
I guess I still had residual build up from my
life as a meat and serous coffee drinker .

Personally I think it's smarter to detox more
slowly overtime. I remember once I did a
detox and I was so sick I was bedridden for
nearly a week . Back in my days as a carnivore.

All things going well with the cleanse, I will move
into a water fast for solstice when I'm done

[astrid]

Sleeping is a bit odd
My brain is exhausted but my body is
awake and energized

[astrid]

Third glass of salts was a challenge
Will have to add more lemon with last one
in 30 mins or so ... Then done with the
concoctions . Ugh . Not feeling sick which
is a bonus . Some slight headaches that's
all . Reading up again on the " afterwards "
stage so I do this all right. Don't have to go
anywhere today so will just rest and journey

Need to look into whether or not I have access
to prof colonics here, might be worthwhile doing
next week to make sure I have cleared everything

[RunningDeer]

Third glass of salts was a challenge
Will have to add more lemon with last one
in 30 mins or so ... Then done with the
concoctions . Ugh . Not feeling sick which
is a bonus . Some slight headaches that's
all . Reading up again on the " afterwards "
stage so I do this all right. Don't have to go
anywhere today so will just rest and journey

Need to look into whether or not I have access
to prof colonics here, might be worthwhile doing
next week to make sure I have cleared everything


Thanks for recording your journey, Astrid. One point, if you are using Andreas Moritz as your source, then waiting a week for a professional colonics is too long. I’ll quote paragraph #2, from the section he’s labelled:

Important! Please read carefully:

“It is likely that, on their way out, some gallstones will be caught in the colon. They can quickly be removed through colonic irrigation. This should ideally be done on the second or third day after the liver flush. If gallstones remain in the colon, they can cause irritation, infection, headaches, abdominal discomfort, thyroid problems, and so one. These stones can eventually become a source of toxemia in the body. If colonics are not available where you live, you can take a coffee enema followed by a water enema, or else, do two or three consecutive water enemas...” “...If you settle for anything less than a colonic irrigation or Colema enema, mix one level teaspoon of Epsom salts with one glass of warm water and drink it first thing in the morning on the day of any other chosen colon cleanse following the liver flush...”

This is Andreas Moritz's free eBook: "Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation," (http://j.b5z.net/i/u/7000617/f/Timeless_Secrets_of_Health_and_Rejuvenation_NOV_2007_eBook.pdf) which includes a chapter on the liver gallbladder cleanse.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[astrid]

Yeah was just reading that
Going to make some calls today

Thanks

[astrid]

Ok.. all good so far, feeling fine.

Just starting to eat some again,
started with my normal green juice, minus a few extras i usually add in.

My question now is, when do you start to see stones being passed?

So far it's just water.

[RunningDeer]

Ok.. all good so far, feeling fine.

Just starting to eat some again,
started with my normal green juice, minus a few extras i usually add in.

My question now is, when do you start to see stones being passed?

So far it's just water.

Hi Astrid,

For me there weren't that many on the 3rd. By the 4th there was a noticeable difference. The first three flushes consisted mainly of chaff that I describe as sawdust. Andreas Moritz explains to be patient if you don't see any the first rounds. It may take time to loosen the deep seated ones. This is what he has to say on that subject of the chaff:

“You may find a layer of white or tan-colored chaff, or “foam,” floating in the toilet. The foam consist of millions of tiny white, sharp-edged cholesterol crystals, which can easily rupture small bile ducts. They are equally important to release.”

I completed my 8th last week and I still didn't have many stones. In fact it was less than the 7th. They've never been dark in color like the photos shown on this thread. It may be because I've eaten mostly macrobiotic since the last 1970's.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Hervé]

I have no answer regarding your question, Astrid, since my BIG ones came out with my first ever flush... after a life time of diet neglect.

As for my "New Moon" 6th flush, there were less stones passed and all smaller than in my last "Full Moon" flush but zillions of sesame size ones as well as the microcristalline "chaff":


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pT_FFi39B_w_1Onio08Bw9WLMjXlCzCHJCIRyNo0yeRIQ8S-bQKrJfjsWRCKqjIdnxnbhEW3hRUr8LkqbzGDhxgyZgsZO144M/IMG_1924a.jpg?psid=1

To the right of the coin are the stones passed in the morning after olive oil and before the third dose of Epsom salt. To the left of the coin are the ones passed after the third Epsom salt dose.


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pyLdDlp8_KBJFxz5DG2opNKNDqPxCJQnk_du8_eV1cCTZMvp9DjlBUfTrGvUvMNLa3g28eblht5ASyqzk857fvnwOemyH-I24/IMG_1932a.jpg?psid=1
To the far left of the picture and looking "fresher" are the stones passed after the 4th Epsom salt intake.

The "dark" colors is due to oxidation of the bile in the stones after a longer exposure to air at the time of taking the picture; whereas the less oxidized, or "fresher" stones look more of a tan color or pea green. However, they where all of the same colors as the ones on the left side of the above picture, at the time they came out.

[astrid]

Cool, thanks.

I'm curious about my long love affair with coffee and meat,
even though i have been so very good the last 2 years or so,
I'm sure i will have some stones.

As far as detoxes go, its for sure faster and more effective than many i have done.
Once you get over the ewwww factor it's actually kind of fascinating.

[astrid]

I ended up just doing a few water flushes to get things moving, and i did indeed get a few stones,
not as many as i would have thought. Giving my body a rest now, and will flush out again tomorrow.

[Connecting with Sauce]

I ended up just doing a few water flushes to get things moving, and i did indeed get a few stones,
not as many as i would have thought. Giving my body a rest now, and will flush out again tomorrow.

Did you eat low fat vegan for the week before and do a PRE enema flush also as mentioned in Andreas Moritiz's excellent book? (If you haven't got it I can recommend it as it is £7-8 well spent - in the original thread on PA1)

I still had large stones come out on the 6th flush ~40mm diameter green one of them..

[astrid]

I ended up just doing a few water flushes to get things moving, and i did indeed get a few stones,
not as many as i would have thought. Giving my body a rest now, and will flush out again tomorrow.

Did you eat low fat vegan for the week before and do a PRE enema flush also as mentioned in Andreas Moritiz's excellent book? (If you haven't got it I can recommend it as it is £7-8 well spent - in the original thread on PA1)

I still had large stones come out on the 6th flush ~40mm diameter green one of them..

Yep to all the above, i did it all by the book.
My full time diet these days is very healthy.. Also i green juice every morning which always includes apples, flaxseeds, and loads of fresh greens. Flaxseeds are a natural laxative and colon cleaner.
I flushed out for two days before hand, my first ever enema, so i did 5 or 6 to make sure it was all clear. This morning I'm drinking lemon juice, and i may even take some more salts to make sure i flush out any stones that may be stuck.

I will keep on flushing today and tomorrow, and report back. I expected more dramatic results, but i will repeat again in 3 weeks after solstice.

Thanks everyone, this is a very supportive and helpful thread!

[Arrowwind]

Some people just dont have stones. I being one of them. I could do liver flushes from here to kingdom come without one stone passes... other people have instead of stones, sand.

After a good liver flush, thats a good time to start an MMS protocol

[astrid]

I passed more today with the help of some more water enemas,
but the interesting part of the cleanse for me was that i had some old
emotional issues come up. So have been working to process those today.
My mind is for sure much more clear too, less of the standard ADD symptoms
that i usually have to work around. So, it was interesting.
Would i do it again? Probably, but I'm beginning to think that maybe i don't have
that many stones. The whole colon cleaning idea though, i have come to understand the
benefits of, and get over any issues i had around it .
So in that respect it has been a valuable exercise.

[RunningDeer]

Would i do it again? Probably, but I'm beginning to think that maybe i don't have that many stones.

Hi Astrid,

This is helpful to pass along from Andreas Moritz:

“The important thing to remember is that once you have started cleansing the liver, you should keep cleansing it until no more stones come out during two consecutive flushes. Leaving the liver half clean for a long period of time (three or more months) may cause greater discomfort than not cleansing it at all. The liver, as a whole, will begin to function more efficiently soon after the first flush, and you may notice sudden improvements, sometimes within several hours. Pains will lessen, energy will increase, and clarity of mind will improve considerably.

However, within a few days, stones from the rear of the liver will have traveled “forward” toward the two main bile ducts (hepatic ducts) in the liver, which may cause some or all of the previous symptoms of discomfort to return. In fact, you might feel disappointed because the recovery seems so short-lived. Yet all of this merely indicates that some stones were left behind, ready to be removed with the next round of cleansing. Nevertheless, the liver’s self-repair and cleansing responses will have increased significantly, adding a great deal of effectiveness to this extremely important organ of the body.

As long as there are still a few small stones traveling from some of the thousands of small bile ducts to any of the hundreds of larger bile ducts, they may combine to form larger stones and produce previously experienced symptoms, such as backache, headache, earache, digestive trouble, bloating, irritability, anger, and so forth, although these may be less severe than they were before.

If two consecutive new cleanses no longer produce any stones, which may happen after 6 to8 flushes (in severe cases it may take 10 to 12 or more), your liver can be considered “stone-free”. Nevertheless, it is recommended that you repeat the liver flush every six to eight months. Each flush will give a further boost to the liver and take care of any toxins or new stones that may have accumulated in the meantime.”

Peace,
Paula

[astrid]

Thanks , yes I read that.

My liver started feeling odd so I went ahead and did
a series of water flushes, and I am getting some stones
but I seem to be having trouble getting to the upper areas,
getting enough water in, i will keep at it .
A bit concern that I will have stuck stones.
So might do more salts tomorrow .

[Eram]

Thanks , yes I read that.

My liver started feeling odd so I went ahead and did
a series of water flushes, and I am getting some stones
but I seem to be having trouble getting to the upper areas,
getting enough water in, i will keep at it .
A bit concern that I will have stuck stones.
So might do more salts tomorrow .

Hi Astrid,

what do you mean when you say: more salts?
Do you drink water with salt in it or epsom salt? I did that with the first liver flush (regular salt instead of a colon cleansing with water) but found that this was a bit heavy on the kidneys, or so it seemed. Certainly no expert, but this was my observation.
I have difficulties too to get enough water in... so I just took to doing 10 days afterwards with every morning 1 cup of lukewarm water with a little spoon (koffiespoon?) of epsom salt. This cleans the small intestine too.
The book recommends 20 days though.


Would i do it again? Probably, but I'm beginning to think that maybe i don't have that many stones. The whole colon cleaning idea though, i have come to understand the
benefits of, and get over any issues i had around it .
So in that respect it has been a valuable exercise.

My girlfriend had almost no stones in her first liver flush, but made up for it in the 2th and 3th. I would make sure that you have indeed no stones left before ending it now.


btw: I finished the 3th flush 1,5 week ago and for the first time there was no sickness during the night :).
I finally took a big heavy pillow to lay my upper body obliquely upwards (not my favourite sleeping position), like the book suggest and this clearly helped.
Lots of stones again... bigger ones too.

[wegge]

I completed my 4th flush today. Till midday not that much exciting came out, and I started to get a bit disappointed since at the last flush not that much happened as well. Then I had 3 "flushes" in a row. There were the typically small green ones but also some dark ones, maybe a little bigger than the ones in amzer´s foto above.
Felt the most profound this time, although the moon is waxing :)

cheers

[Connecting with Sauce]

Some people just dont have stones. I being one of them. I could do liver flushes from here to kingdom come without one stone passes... other people have instead of stones, sand.

After a good liver flush, thats a good time to start an MMS protocol

How many flushes have you done Arrowwind to conclude that?

Chapter 5 of the book have list of 20 things which causes stones to occur and unless you live in a bubble with filtered air and have since birth had a toxic free diet I'd hazzard a guess you have stones within you or did the flush(es) incorrectly if you tried it... I produced very small stones/sand the first couple of times

I know someone who even with my coaching and trying it twice managed to mess it up both times... He is a special case however and does not even listen to himself.

[Hervé]

Results from my 7th flush:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p3Kk1c0nw-OIHfaHw_ihJB6wXLCdNlEuAuNm6_D8ivpN8C3aezM6PoE-9SmL0_yDcjPIJStuITzYtKeO115jOuVTKKr0VWB_s/IMG_1933.JPG?psid=1

To the right of the coin are the stones passed in the morning after olive oil and before the third dose of Epsom salt. To the left of the coin are the ones passed after the third Epsom salt dose.




https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p4Wbu396GtCqzWCQA_X5Pkf9-P_N1JaELmIYQ9FHCWehyfYe82502X5-uTo79jvAmU7E-1KgvwE4zv7Yj6IEZ0o5FuM6ea6Os/IMG_1935.JPG?psid=1

To the far left of the picture and looking "fresher" are the stones passed after the 4th Epsom salt intake.


The "dark" colors is due to oxidation of the bile in the stones after a longer exposure to air at the time of taking the picture; whereas the less oxidized, or "fresher" stones look more of a tan color or pea green. However, they where all of the same colors as the ones on the left side of the above picture, at the time they came out.


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pnA68GzZhIBu5ei9WNv6s4qbokBuhAGdwNk7eDb9OjJDc0mk0A3Jsb7cUxptCCEx7cQaQoiqudXPKNDu4rNgKojEMRDe7cxxk/IMG_1938.JPG?psid=1

Detail of above showing the "tan" gallstones which have been "leached" of their bile/oily content (the green-yellowish stain aureoles around the non-leached stones).


All in all, a lot less stones than in the previous flushes but as much "chaff / saw dust" or microcrytalline cholesterol.

[Eram]

14th October


Here is the result for my flush #2, n

13th November

Third liver flush done .

29th November

And now, for my fourth liver flush

14th December

As for my "New Moon" 6th flush,

Today 12:49

Results from my 7th flush:

Hi Amzer Zo,

It seems to me that you have a good thing going here :)
Is it a conscious decision to do more liver flushes then once every three weeks? Does you liver agree with this?
I count 5 flushes in roughly 10 weeks.

I would like to do it at a faster pace too, but after every flush, my liver feels like I have to give it some time to recover, so I am a bit scared of doing more in less time.



Any way...

I did my 4th last week and this was an interesting one.

Between the 3th and 4th... my energy dropped a little bit and the liver didn't feel as good as it did after the 1th and 2th.

My planning for this 4th one was a bit off, so I only managed to drink apple juice for 4 days instead of 6. It was a new brand though, which was much more sour.
Also during a period coming to a full moon, I had low hopes for a good flush, but I did it anyway.

The night of the actual flush was awful. Bad dreams... tossing and turning and I woke up drenched and my gut felt painful.
But.... I lost a lot of stones that day, lots of big ones too, some even bigger than marble size.
Ever since, my energy levels are way up and I feel healthy as can be.

So, preparation wasn't optimal, but it was the most productive flush so far.

btw: After 4 flushes... I am getting tired from the epsom salt as well. Struggling to get it in with each glass. yuck!
Maybe time to look into the capsule maker that 665 plumber of the beat talked about.

[Hervé]

[...]

Hi Amzer Zo,

It seems to me that you have a good thing going here :)
Is it a conscious decision to do more liver flushes then once every three weeks? Does you liver agree with this?
I count 5 flushes in roughly 10 weeks.


[...]

Instead of following Andreas Moritz's schedule of once a month, I started following Hulda Clark's recommended schedule of one every two weeks: http://curezone.com/clark/liver.asp which makes for a happy liver and stomach since I don't have to go through a pre-flush period of severe abdominal cramps :). Keep in mind that my first ever flush was to handle a severe case of jaundice which indicated an equally severe clogging of my internal digestive plumbing :). That first flush saved me a trip to the hospital and accompanying surgery of my gallblader :).

As for the "New Moon" / "Full Moon" advice from Andreas Moritz... well, if you go back to my "Full Moon" flush of 29th November, you'll see that it was more successful in passing stones than my "New Moon" ones:

29th November

And now, for my fourth liver flush




My planning for this 4th one was a bit off, so I only managed to drink apple juice for 4 days instead of 6.

If you shorten the period of drinking apple juice, you can compensate by adding 1 Tbs of apple cider vinegar (with mother) to your glasses of juice to get about the same amount of malic acid processed.





[...]

btw: After 4 flushes... I am getting tired from the epsom salt as well. Struggling to get it in with each glass. yuck!

One thing you can do is mix the Epsom salt with apple juice to make it more palatable and your body gets to process magnesium malate which might be easier on the system or, if you add lemon juice instead of apple juice, you get magnesium citrate from the reaction with the lemon's citric acid.

[sineck]

if there is something that would really help in detox it would be something that is fermented, fermentation not only doubles the pontency but does it by the power of 5, there are alot of things that could help in this situation, the only thing is of you know how to bring out the components, if you need help there is alot of advice out there, take care, S

[kanishk]

Recently bought these:

DL-MALIC ACID CAS NO. 617-48-1 520/- RUPEES for 500gm.
MAGNESIUM SULPHATE(=or sulfate) [heptahydrate] CAS NO. 10034-99-8 140/- RUPEES for 500gm.

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[Hervé]

Another "New Moon" flush, which is my 8th:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1px9bdEHlEYiE1CPHazoxQH83u6AZmjgzQhJEqFRFPhbj09XU9PP27l288Biy_1QchMtXWjSt0o1R5G7aCAp1PCiCJKoQMdW1M/IMG_1941a.jpg?psid=1

To the right of the coin are the stones passed in the morning after olive oil and before the third dose of Epsom salt. To the left of the coin are the ones passed after the third and fourth Epsom salt doses.

All in all, this time, a lot less stones were passed but fairly good size ones. A few more came out later on with the help of freshly squeezed grapefruit juice.

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if there is something that would really help in detox it would be something that is fermented, fermentation not only doubles the pontency but does it by the power of 5, there are alot of things that could help in this situation, the only thing is of you know how to bring out the components, if you need help there is alot of advice out there, take care, S

Hi sineck,

For fermented concoctions, one can start with this thread: The gut of most disease... NOT what you think! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-)

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The late comers of this 8th flush:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1prMrmFJjr6Fdy9ZvwqvZe5pESUMTyoOJAMNZ9NvIhF2nSfgas1L_X2hJik7wD2gWyYDOaIg7xjr9SvT7CmiaF_DsBP8nNrjG1/IMG_1955a.jpg?psid=1
Coin is 19 mm across.

[floweroflife]

Hello all,
Forgive me if this is in the tread but having trouble making heads or tails of this. I am new and have never done any liver detox before. I presume it should be necessary as my diet has never been good until recently. What are the necessary steps for starting the liver detox. How often should I do it and is there any important information that I should know before starting? Thank you for any help that you can provide.

[Arrowwind]

I have a SOTA silver pulser, A Terminator TRex and recently a GB4000... and a internal zapper :)
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I use to have a GB4000 and amp. How do you like your machine? I used it for cancer treatment along with Hulda Clarks parasite cleanse and iodine. The three together worked.

[RunningDeer]

Hello all,
Forgive me if this is in the tread but having trouble making heads or tails of this. I am new and have never done any liver detox before. I presume it should be necessary as my diet has never been good until recently. What are the necessary steps for starting the liver detox. How often should I do it and is there any important information that I should know before starting? Thank you for any help that you can provide.

Hello Flower of Life,

Welcome to Avalon. There's a lot of good information shared here. I'll get you started with this post because it's a free download that includes the hows and whys of detox. The book is called, "Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox--from-av1-&p=561447&viewfull=1#post561447)".

I got started after following Ilie Pandia, who is one of our Administrator Mods. Here's a before and after picture (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox--from-av1-&p=567854&viewfull=1#post567854).

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer :wave:

[floweroflife]

Thank you very much WhiteCrowBlackDeer I will post when starting and keep updates.

[Hervé]

Hello all,
Forgive me if this is in the tread but having trouble making heads or tails of this. I am new and have never done any liver detox before. I presume it should be necessary as my diet has never been good until recently. What are the necessary steps for starting the liver detox. How often should I do it and is there any important information that I should know before starting? Thank you for any help that you can provide.

Hi floweroflife,

An alternate protocol to Andreas Moritz's liver cleanse given above by WCBD, is given by Hulda Clark and can be found here: http://curezone.com/clark/liver.asp
which also addresses intestinal, liver and other parasites if needed.

[floweroflife]

I would like to start my detox this next full moon and was wondering if anyone could list from start to finish exactly what one flush would consist of. From preparing before, during, and after the detox. I am sure that the info is here just trying to filter through it all. I suffer from horrible rage at random times that I have not been able to control and this is something that would help immensely. This is entirely a new subject for me no one I know in my immediate life knows anything about taking proper care of your body. Thanks again for any help.

p.s. I also am doing UT therapy and wonder if that would interfere at all.

[Hervé]

Here is a summary of what I collected from both Andreas Moritz (http://curezone.com/upload/PDF/Save_Your_Life_/THE_LIVER_AND_GALLBLADDER_MIRACLE_CLEANSE.pdf) (PDF file) and Hulda Clark (http://curezone.com/clark/liver.asp) and would advise you to refer to them for reference:


Liver cleanse protocol (Andreas Moritz)

The best times for cleansing: The main and final part of the liver cleanse is best done over a weekend, when you are not under any pressure and have enough time to rest. Although the liver cleanse is effective at any time of the month, it should preferably coincide with a day between full moon and new moon. Try to avoid doing the actual cleanse on full moon day (the body tends to hold more fluids in the brain and tissues on this day than on others). The day of new moon is the most conducive for cleansing and healing.


Preparation:

Drink 32 oz. (1-liter) of packaged apple juice (or see other options below) per day for a period of six days prior to the actual cleanse itself (You may drink more than that if it feels comfortable to do so). The malic acid in the apple juice softens the gallstones and makes their passage through the bile ducts smooth and easy. The apple juice has a strong cleansing effect.


8 oz = 250ml = 1 cup

Drink the apple juice slowly throughout the day, between meals (avoid drinking the juice during, just before, and in the first two hours after meals, and in the evening). This is in addition to your normal water intake of six to eight glasses.

Preferably, use organic apple juice, although for the purpose of the cleanse, any good brand of commercial apple juice, apple concentrate, or apple cider works just as well.

Malic acid in apple juice is exceptionally effective at dissolving some of the stagnant bile and making the stones softer. (See details on malic acid below.) Cranberry juice also contains malic acid and can be used instead of apple juice. (See below.)

In any cases of this kind, you may replace apple juice with malic acid in powdered form. Try to avoid malic acid capsules, especially if they contain other ingredients. It is best if the malic acid is properly dissolved before ingesting it. The preparation period is the same as for the apple juice regimen, except that ½ to 1 teaspoon of malic acid, taken with four to six 8-ounce glasses of room-temperature water, substitute for the 32 ounces of apple juice per day. Drink this solution in small amounts throughout the day. Food-grade malic acid powder (not mixed with magnesium or other ingredients) is very inexpensive and can be purchased over the Internet or from some natural health food stores. All wineries use malic acid to produce wine. (See Suppliers List in the Appendix.)

Cranberry juice also contains much malic acid and can be used for the preparation period (4 ounces of juice mixed with 4 ounces of water, 4 times per day for 6 days). It can also be combined with apple juice. There is added benefit if some cranberry juice is used each day for two or three weeks before liver cleansing.

Another alternative is gold coin grass. Use the same directions as given for those who are intolerant to apple juice. You may try malic acid or cranberry juice during one cleanse and gold coin grass during the next, to see which works best for you.

A fourth alternative is apple cider vinegar: mix 1 to 2 tablespoons in a glass of water (or apple juice) and drink 4 servings per day, for 6 days.

Another useful method to help support the liver and gallbladder during the cleanse, and to encourage the release of more stones, is to soak a piece of flannel with heated apple cider vinegar and apply it to the liver/gallbladder area during the 20- to 30- minute period of lying still. Some people have found increased benefits from doing this using warm castor oil instead. Some people find it beneficial to place a castor oil pack over the liver area.

Another method is to drink 3 tablespoons of undiluted, unsweetened lemon juice, 15 to 30 minutes before breakfast daily for one week. This stimulates the gallbladder and makes it ready for a more successful liver cleanse.

Chanca piedra, also known as "stone-breaker," can help prepare your liver and gallbladder for a more efficient release of stones, especially if you have calcified stones in the gallbladder. Take 20 drops of chanca piedra extract (see Suppliers List in the Appendix) in a glass of water, 3 times daily for at least 2 to 3 weeks before your next cleanse.

Enteric peppermint oil, taken in capsule form, is also very useful in dissolving calcified gallstones or reducing their size. It may not be easy to find it in pure form, though. It is often mixed with other ingredients, which can reduce its effectiveness.

Some toxins released by these stones can enter the circulatory system and cause discomfort. In such a case, it may be helpful to drink about 4 ounces of apple juice for 7 consecutive days, or for as long as the discomfort lasts, following the liver cleanse. It is best to drink the apple juice at least ½ hour before breakfast.

In addition, a repeat colon cleanse may be necessary to clear out any of the late-coming stones. The tissue-cleansing method (ionized water), as mentioned below, also helps to remove the circulating toxins. If you place a small piece of fresh ginger into the thermos flask, drinking this water will quickly stop the nausea.

Drinking 2 to 3 cups of chamomile tea per day also helps to calm the digestive tract and the nervous system.

Chamomile is also a good "stone-breaker" of calcified stones.

Any unpleasant cleansing reactions usually disappear after 3 to 6 days; they can be minimized by following the tissue-cleansing method of using hot, ionized water and by keeping the colon clean with capsules of oxyflush, oxypowder, colosan, a colema, or an enema (see Chapter 5).

Ionized Water
The sipping of hot ionized water has a profound cleansing effect on all the tissues of the body. It helps reduce overall toxicity, improves circulatory functions, and balances bile. When water is boiled for 15 to 20 minutes, it becomes charged and saturated with negative oxygen ions (hydroxide, OH-). When you take frequent sips of this water throughout the day, it begins to systematically cleanse the tissues of the body and help rid them of certain positively charged ions (those associated with harmful acids and toxins).

Most toxins and waste materials carry a positive charge and, thus, naturally tend to attach themselves to the body, which is negatively charged overall. As the negative oxygen ions enter the body with the ingested water, they are attracted to the positively charged toxic material. This neutralizes waste and toxins, turning them into fluid matter that the body can remove easily. For the first couple of days or even weeks of cleansing your body tissues in this way, your tongue may take on a white or yellow coating, an indication that the body is clearing out a lot of toxic waste. If you have excessive body weight, this cleansing method can help you shed many pounds of body waste in a short period of time, without the side effects that normally accompany sudden weight loss.

Directions:
Boil water for 15 to 20 minutes and pour it into a thermos. Stainless steel thermoses are fine. The thermos keeps the water hot and ionized throughout the day. Take one or two sips every half hour all day long, and drink it as hot as you would sip tea. You may use this method anytime you do not feel well, have the need for decongesting, wish to keep the blood thin, or simply want to feel more energetic and clear. Some people drink ionized water for a certain duration, such as three to four weeks; others do it ongoing. The oxygen ions are generated through the bubbling effect of boiling water, similar to water falling on the ground in a waterfall or breaking against the seashore. In the thermos, the water will stay ionized for up to 12 hours or for as long as it remains hot. The total amount of water you need to boil to give you enough hot, ionized water for one day would be about 20 to 24 ounces. This specially prepared water should not substitute for normal drinking water. It doesn't hydrate the cells like normal water does; the body uses it to only cleanse the tissues.



Choose a day like Saturday for the cleanse, since you will be able to rest the next day. Take no medicines, vitamins or pills that you can do without; they could prevent success. Stop the parasite program and kidney herbs, too, the day before. Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal, fruit, fruit juice, bread and preserves or honey (NO butter or milk). This allows the bile to build up and develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes out more stones.




Liver Cleanse


Ingredients

Containers of apple juice ------------------------- Six X 1-liter (32 oz,) => 8 oz = 250ml = 1 cup (1Litre/Day)



Epsom salts (http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=61985#i) ------------------------------------------ 4 tablespoons to dissolve in three 8 oz glasses of water.


Olive oil (http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/oliveoil.asp) (cold pressed) ------------------------- 1/2 cup (4 oz), and for best results, ozonate it for 20 minutes. Add 2 drops HCl.


Fresh pink grapefruit --------------------------- 1 large or 2 small, enough to squeeze 2/3 cup juice. Hot wash twice first and dry each time or fresh lemon and orange combined.


Black Walnut Tincture, any strength (http://curezone.com/clark/parasites.asp) --- 10 to 20 drops to add to olive oil + grapefruit juice, to kill parasites coming from the liver.


Ornithine (http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=61989#i) --------------------------------------------- 4 to 8, to be sure you can sleep. Don¹t skip this or you may have the worst night of your life!


Large plastic straw -------------------------------- To help drink potion.


2 Pint jars, one with lid -------------------------- 1 pint = ½ Liter = 500ml


Fifth day: colon cleanse: Colonic, colema, water enema.

What you need to do on the sixth day of drinking apple juice:

Drink all the 32 ounces of apple juice in the morning. You may start drinking the juice soon after awakening. If you feel hungry in the morning, eat a light breakfast, such as a hot cereal; oatmeal would be an ideal choice. Avoid sugar or other sweeteners, spices, milk, butter, oils, yogurt, cheese, ham, eggs, nuts, pastries, cold cereals, and the like. Fruit or fruit juices are fine. For lunch eat plain cooked or steamed vegetables with white rice (preferably basmati rice) and flavor it with a little unrefined sea or rock salt. To repeat, do not eat any protein foods, butter (or milk products), or oil or you might feel ill during the actual cleanse.


2:00 PM. Do not eat or drink after 2 o'clock. If you break this rule you could feel quite ill later. Get your Epsom salts ready. Mix 4 tbs. in 3 cups water and pour this into a jar. This makes four servings, 3/4 (three fourths) cup each. Set the jar in the refrigerator to get ice cold (this is for convenience and taste only).

Do not eat or drink anything (except water) after 2:00 p.m., otherwise you may have difficulties passing stones! Follow the exact schedule below.


The Actual Cleanse

Evening
6:00 p.m. Add 4 tablespoons of Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) to a total of 24 ounces (three x 8-oz. glasses) of filtered water in a jar. This makes four x 6-oz servings (3/4 cup). Drink your first portion (3/4 glass) now. You may take a few sips of water afterward to neutralize the bitter taste in your mouth, or may add a little lemon juice to improve the taste (You may add 1/8 tsp. vitamin C powder to improve the taste). Some people drink it with a large plastic straw to bypass the taste buds on the tongue. Closing the nostrils while drinking it works well for most people. It is also helpful to brush your teeth afterward or rinse out the mouth with baking soda. One of the main actions of Epsom salt is to dilate (widen) the bile ducts, making it easy for the stones to pass. Moreover, the salts clear out waste that may obstruct the release of the stones. (If you are allergic to Epsom salts or are just not able to get them down, you may instead use the second best choice: magnesium citrate, at the same dosage.) Set out the citrus fruits (grapefruits or lemons and oranges) you will be using later, so that it can warm to room temperature.

8:00 p.m. Drink your second serving (3/4 glass) of Epsom salts (+ lemon juice). You haven't eaten since two o'clock, but you won't feel hungry. Get your bedtime chores done. The timing is critical for success.

9:30 p.m.If you have not had a bowel movement until now and have not done a colon cleanse within the past 24 hours, take a water enema; this will trigger a series of bowel movements.

9:45 p.m.Thoroughly wash the grapefruits (or lemons and oranges). Squeeze them by hand and remove the pulp. You will need 3/4 glass of juice. Pour the juice and a ½ glass/cup of (ozonated) olive oil into the pint jar. You may use part lemonade. Add this to the olive oil. Also add Black Walnut Tincture (10-20 drops). Add 2 drops HCl to sterilize. Close the jar tightly with the lid and shake hard until watery (only fresh grapefruit juice does this). Ideally, you should drink this mixture at 10:00 p.m., but if you feel you still need to visit the bathroom a few more times, you may delay this step for up to 10 minutes.

10:00 p.m.Stand next to your bed (do not sit down) and drink the concoction, if possible, without interruption. Take 4 ornithine capsules with the first sips to make sure you will sleep through the night. Take 8 if you already suffer from insomnia. Some people prefer to drink it through a large plastic straw. Drinking it while keeping the nostrils closed seems to work best. If necessary, use a little honey between sips, which helps the mixture go down more smoothly. Most people, though, have no problem drinking in one go. Do not take more than 5 minutes for this (only elderly or weak people may take longer).

PLEASE LIE DOWN IMMEDIATELY!
This is essential for helping to release the gallstones! Turn off the lights and lie flat on your back with one or two pillows propping your head up. Your head should be higher than your abdomen. If this is uncomfortable, lie on your right side with your knees pulled toward your head. Lie perfectly still for at least 20 minutes and try not to speak! Put your attention on your liver. Some people find it beneficial to place a castor oil pack over the liver area.

You may feel the stones traveling along the bile ducts like marbles.

There won't be any spasms or pain because the magnesium in the Epsom salts keeps the bile duct valves wide open and relaxed, and the bile that is excreted along with the stones keeps the bile ducts well lubricated. (This is very different than in the case of a gallstone attack where magnesium and bile are not present.) Go to sleep if you can.

If at any time during the night you feel the urge to have a bowel movement, do so. Check if there are already small gallstones (pea-green or tan-colored ones) floating in the toilet. You may feel nauseated during the night and/or in the early morning hours. This is mostly due to a strong, sudden outpouring of gallstones and toxins from the liver and gallbladder, pushing the oil mixture back into the stomach. The nausea willpass as the morning progresses.

The Following Morning

6:00-6:30 a.m. Upon awakening, but not before 6:00 a.m., drink your third 3/4 glass of Epsom salts (if you feel very thirsty, drink a glass of warm water before taking the salts). Rest, read, or meditate. If you are sleepy, you may go back to bed, although it is best if the body stays in an upright position. Most people feel fine and prefer to do some light exercises, such as yoga.

8:00-8:30 a.m.Drink your fourth and last 3/4 glass of Epsom salts.

10:00-10:30 a.m. You may drink freshly pressed fruit juice at this time. One half-hour later, you may eat one or two pieces of fresh fruit. One hour later you may eat regular (but light) food. By the evening or the next morning you should be back to normal and feel the first signs of improvement. Continue to eat light meals during the following 2-3 days.

Remember, your liver and gallbladder have undergone major "surgery," albeit without the harmful side effects or the expense.

Note:Drink water whenever you are thirsty, except right after drinking the Epsom salts and for the first two hours after drinking the oil mixture.


Alternative Schedule 2: After taking the first dose of Epsom salts in the morning, wait two hours and take a second dose of the oil mixture (but only 1/2 cup: 1.5/4 juice + ¼ olive oil) and go back to bed. After two more hours, take another dose of Epsom salts. This schedule can increase the number of stones you remove."

After 2 More Hours you may eat. Start with fruit juice. Half an hour later eat fruit. One hour later you may eat regular food but keep it light. By supper you should feel recovered.


How well did you do?
Expect diarrhea in the morning. Use a flashlight to look for gallstones in the toilet with the bowel movement. Look for the green kind since this is proof that they are genuine gallstones, not food residue. Only bile from the liver is pea green. The bowel movement sinks but gallstones float because of the cholesterol inside. Count them all roughly, whether tan or green. You will need to total 2000 stones before the liver is clean enough to rid you of allergies or bursitis or upper back pains permanently. The first cleanse may rid you of them for a few days, but as the stones from the rear travel forward, they give you the same symptoms again. You may repeat cleanses at two week intervals. Never cleanse when you are [acutely] ill.

Sometimes the bile ducts are full of cholesterol crystals that did not form into round stones. They appear as a “chaff” floating on top of the toilet bowl water. It may be tan colored, harboring millions of tiny white crystals. Cleansing this chaff is just as important as purging stones.

How safe is the liver cleanse? It is very safe (http://www.curezone.com/faq/p/r.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=1). My opinion is based on over 500 cases, including many persons in their seventies and eighties. None went to the hospital; none even reported pain. However it can make you feel quite ill for one or two days afterwards, although in every one of these cases the maintenance parasite program had been neglected. This is why the instructions direct you to complete the parasite and kidney cleanse programs first.


Undigested food putrefies and ferments, becoming a constant source of harmful microbial activity. This rather unnatural means of breaking down food alters the pH (acid-alkaline balance) of the intestinal environment, turning it into a favorable environment for yeast growth and parasites. (Note: Cleansing of the liver and colon, and eating a balanced diet rich in fresh, alkaline-forming foods, are among the most effective ways to prevent and treat parasitic infestation; the killing of parasites does not address its cause and may only have limited benefits, if any.)

Irregular eating habits, which include eating between meals and snacking in the middle of the night, greatly upset the body's finely tuned biological rhythms.' Most of the important hormonal secretions in the body depend on regular cycles of eating, sleeping, and waking. For example, the production of bile and intestinal digestive juices, which are necessary for breaking down foods into their basic nutrient components, naturally peaks during midday. This suggests that the biggest meal is best eaten around that time. In contrast, the body's digestive capacity is considerably lower during the morning and evening hours. If, day after day, the lunch meal consists merely of light snacks, the gallbladder cannot squeeze all its contents into the intestines, so it leaves behind enough bile to form gallstones.

Note that the gallbladder is naturally programmed to release the maximum amount of bile during the midday period. If you don't use what the body produces naturally, it can turn on itself.

In many people, the urge to eat is actually a sign of dehydration, and all the body really wants is water. Because hunger and thirst signals are identical, the hunger pang or discomfort may subside once you drink one or two glasses of water. At the same time, make certain that you get a substantial and nutritious meal at lunchtime. In time, and provided you have completely cleansed your liver, your body will receive enough nutrients from this main meal to satisfy almost all its daily nutritional requirements. This will effectively stop food cravings and the desire to eat in between meals.

If you are not a vegetarian, it is best to cut out meat, eggs, and cheese first, and keep other types of animal protein, such as poultry and fish, to a minimum. Although all animal-based protein has a gallstone-generating effect, white meat, including chicken, turkey, and rabbit, causes a little less damage to the liver, provided they are of free-range origin and not eaten more often than once or twice a week. It is best to avoid fried and deep-fried foods, as they aggravate both the gallbladder and the liver. Once your taste for meat or other animal proteins begins to diminish, you can gradually switch to a balanced vegan diet.

Other Foods and Beverages
Eggs, pork, greasy food, onions, fowl, pasteurized milk, ice cream, coffee, chocolate, citrus fruits, corn, beans, and nuts in that order are known to bring on gallbladder attacks in patients suffering from gallbladder disease. In a 1968 research study, an entire group of patients with gallbladder disease was free of symptoms while on a diet that excluded all these foods. Adding eggs to their diet brought on gallbladder attacks in 93 percent of the patients.
Egg protein, in particular, can have a gallstone-producing effect. Researchers believe that the ingestion of substances that cause allergies makes the bile ducts swell up, which, in turn, impedes the discharge of bile from the gallbladder.

Dehydration
Many people suffer from dehydration without being aware of it. Dehydration is a condition in which body cells do not receive enough water for basic metabolic processes. The cells may run dry for a number of reasons:

Lack of water intake (anything less than six glasses of pure water per day)

Regular consumption of beverages that have diuretic effects, such as coffee, regular tea (black), most soda beverages, and alcohol, including beer and wine. (Herbal teas such as green tea, peppermint tea, and the like, have no diuretic effects; decaffeinated coffee and tea are more harmful than in their caffeinated form.)

Regular consumption of stimulating foods or substances, such as meat, hot spices, chocolate (except small amounts of dark chocolate), sugar, tobacco, narcotic drugs, soda, and artificial sweeteners

Stress

Most pharmacological drugs

Excessive exercise

Overeating and excessive weight gain

Watching television for several hours each day

Any of these factors has a blood-thickening effect and, thereby, forces cells to give up water. The cell water is used to restore blood thinness. To avoid self-destruction, however, the cells begin to hold on to water. They do this by increasing the thickness of their membranes. Cholesterol, which is a clay-like substance, attaches itself to the cell walls, thereby preventing the loss of cellular water. Although this emergency measure may preserve water and save the cell for the time being, it also reduces the cell's ability to absorb new water, as well as much-needed nutrients. Some of the unabsorbed water and nutrients accumulate in the connective tissues surrounding the cells, causing swelling of the body and water retention in the legs, kidneys, face, eyes, arms, and other parts. This leads to considerable weight gain. At the same time, the blood plasma and lymph fluids become thickened and congested. Dehydration also affects the natural fluidity of bile and, thereby, promotes the formation of gallstones.

Tea, coffee, cola, and chocolate share the same nerve toxin (stimulant), caffeine. Caffeine, which is readily released into the blood, triggers a powerful immune response that helps the body to counteract and eliminate this irritant. The toxic irritant stimulates the adrenal glands, and, to some extent, the body's many cells, to release the stress hormones adrenaline and cortisol into the bloodstream. The resultant sudden surge in energy is commonly referred to as "the fight-or-flight response." If consumption of stimulants continues regularly, however, this natural defense response of the body becomes overused and ineffective. The almost constant secretion of stress hormones, which are highly toxic compounds in and of themselves, eventually alters the blood chemistry and causes damage to the immune, endocrine, and nervous systems. Future defense responses are weakened, and the body becomes more prone to infections and other ailments.

The boost in energy experienced after drinking a cup of coffee is not a direct result of the caffeine it contains, but rather of the immune system's attempt to get rid of the caffeine. An overexcited and suppressed immune system fails to provide the "energizing" adrenaline and cortisol boosts needed to free the body from the acidic nerve toxin, caffeine. At this stage, people say that they are "used" to a stimulant, such as coffee. So they tend to increase their intake of it to feel the "benefits." The often-heard expression "I am dying for a cup of coffee" reflects the true peril of this situation.

Since the body cells have to sacrifice some of their own water for the removal of the nerve toxin caffeine, the regular consumption of coffee, tea, or colas causes them to become dehydrated. For every cup of tea or coffee you drink, the body has to mobilize 2 to 3 cups of water just to remove the stimulants, a luxury it cannot afford. This also applies to soft drinks, medicinal drugs, or any other stimulants, including watching TV for many hours (see more about this in the section on "Miscellaneous Causes" later in this chapter). As a rule, all stimulants have a strong, dehydrating effect on the bile, blood, and digestive juices.


Cleanse Your Liver Twice a Year
I highly recommend that you cleanse your liver twice a year. The best date for a liver cleanse is about 10 days before or 10 days after a seasonal change. For example, begin the liver cleanse regimen around March 11 or 31, or June 11 or 30. Repeat the cleanse 6 months later. When the seasons change, the body also undergoes major physiological changes and is more inclined to release accumulated toxins and waste matter (as seen in an increased incidence of head colds or the flu). Since the immune system is naturally weaker during those 20 days of seasonal adjustment, cleansing the liver supports it greatly in its effort to keep the rest of the body healthy.


The Kidney Cleanse
If the presence of gallstones in the liver, or any other situation, has led to the development of sand, grease, or stones in the kidneys or urinary bladder, you may also need to cleanse your kidneys. The kidneys are extremely delicate, blood-filtering organs that congest easily because of dehydration, poor diet, weak digestion, stress, and an irregular lifestyle. The main causes of congestion in the kidneys are kidney stones. Most kidney grease/crystals/stones, however, are too small to be detected through modern diagnostic technology, including ultrasounds or X-rays. They are often called "silent" stones and do not seem to bother people much. When they grow larger, though, they can cause considerable distress and damage to the kidneys and the rest of the body. To prevent kidney problems and kidney- related diseases, it is best to eliminate kidney stones before they can cause a crisis. You can easily detect the presence of sand or stones in the kidneys by pulling the skin under your eyes sideways toward the cheekbones. Any irregular bumps, protrusions, red or white pimples, or discoloration of the skin indicates the presence of kidney sand or kidney stones.

The following herbs, when taken daily for a period of twenty to thirty days, can help to dissolve and eliminate all types of kidney stones, including uric acid, oxalic acid, phosphate, and amino acid stones. If you have a history of kidney stones, you may need to repeat this cleanse a few times, at intervals of six weeks.

Ingredients:

Marjoram (1 oz.)
Cat's claw (1 oz.)
Comfrey root (1 oz.)
Fennel seed (2 oz.)
Chicory herb (2 oz.)
Uva ursi(2oz.)
Hydrangea root (2 oz.)
Gravel root (2 oz.)
Marshmallow root (2 oz.)
Golden rod herb (2 oz.)

Directions:
Take 1 ounce each of the first three herbs and 2 ounces each of the rest of the herbs, and thoroughly mix them together. Keep them in an airtight container. You may put them in the refrigerator. Before bedtime, soak 3 tablespoons of the mixture in 2 cups of water, cover it, and leave it covered overnight. The following morning, bring the concoction to a boil; then strain it. If you forget to soak the herbs in the evening, boil the mixture in the morning, and let it simmer for 5 to 10 minutes before straining.

Drink a few sips at a time in 6 to 8 portions throughout the day. This tea does not need to be taken warm or hot, but do not refrigerate it. Also, do not add sugar or sweeteners! Leave at least one hour after eating before taking your next sips.

Repeat this procedure for twenty days. If you experience discomfort or stiffness in the area of the lower back, this is because mineral crystals from kidney stones are passing through the ureter ducts of the urinary system. Any strong smell and darkening of the urine at the beginning of or during the kidney cleanse indicates a major release of toxins from the kidneys. Normally, though, the release is gradual and does not significantly change the color or texture of the urine. Important: Support the kidneys during the cleanse by drinking extra amounts of water, a minimum of six and a maximum of eight glasses per day, unless the color of the urine is dark yellow (in which case you will need to drink more than that amount).

During the cleanse, try to avoid consuming animal products, including meat, dairy foods (except butter), fish, eggs, tea, coffee, alcohol, carbonated beverages, chocolate, and any other foods or drinks that contain preservatives, artificial sweeteners, coloring agents, and the like. In addition to drinking this kidney tea each day, if convenient, you may also chew on a small piece of rind from an organic lemon on the left side of your mouth and a small piece of carrot on the right side of your mouth 30 to 40 times each. This stimulates kidney functions. Be sure to allow at least half an hour between chewing cycles.

If you are doing liver cleanses, make certain that you do a kidney cleanse after every three or four liver cleanses.

In addition, those suffering from large kidney stones may benefit from drinking the juice of one to two lemons (diluted with water) per day for about ten to fourteen days. After that, drink the juice of half a lemon per day indefinitely.

Fluoride Poisoning
Since the liver is unable to break down fluoride, it attempts to pass this poisonous chemical into the bile ducts (which are the only alternative way for the liver to deal with it). This leads to bile duct congestion and numerous other ailments. Fluoride is added to 60 percent of the drinking water in the United States and a number of other countries. Manufacturers add it to a wide range of products, including soy products, toothpaste, fluoride tablets, fluoride drops, fluoride chewing gum, tea, vaccines, household products, fluoridated salt or milk, anesthetics, mattresses emitting fluoride gases, Teflon, and antibiotics. It is also found in polluted air and polluted ground water. Because of its proven high toxicity, in August 2002 Belgium became the first country in the world to prohibit fluoride supplements.

"Fluoridation ... is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has," said Professor Albert Schatz, Ph.D. (Microbiology), discoverer of streptomycin and Nobel Prize winner. Fortunately, 98 percent of Western Europe has rejected water fluoridation. This
includes Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, and Sweden.

Exhaustive research has shown that tumors in laboratory animals were found to be the direct result of fluoride ingestion. Other animal studies found that fluoride accumulates in the pineal gland and interferes with its production of melatonin, a hormone that helps regulate the onset of puberty, thyroid functions, and numerous other basic physiological processes. In humans, fluoride has been found to cause arthritis, osteoporosis, hip fractures, cancer, infertility, Alzheimer's disease, and brain damage.

Until the 1950s, European doctors used fluoride to treat hyperthyroidism (overactive thyroid). The daily dose of fluoride that people are now receiving in fluoridated communities far exceeds the dose of fluoride that was found to depress the thyroid gland.

Because of fluoridation, millions of people are now suffering from hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid). This condition is currently one of the more common medical problems in the United States. Today, over 150 symptoms can be identified in hypothyroidism.- Almost all correlate with known symptoms of fluoride poisoning. The symptoms of hypothyroidism include depression, dizziness, fatigue, weight gain, muscle and joint pain, hair loss, headache, migraine, shortness of breath, GI problems, menstrual problems, unbalanced blood pressure, increased cholesterol levels, allergies, insomnia, panic attacks and moodiness, irregular heart beat, and congestive heart failure. A large number of children and adults in India and other developing countries are crippled and their teeth are destroyed because of fluoride poisoning from industry pollution.

To help the body deal with fluoride-caused illnesses, including hypothyroidism, it is important to clean out the liver bile ducts, avoid fluoride-containing products, and use a water filtering system that removes fluoride. Distillation and reverse osmosis (R/O) are effective in removing the fluoride (along with contaminants). For more ideal filtering devices, you may need to contact your local dealer for water filters or check out my book Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation.

The mineral boron removes fluoride from the body. The most absorbable form of boron is ionic boron, as made available by Eniva, for example (see the Appendix). A decongesting diet according to body type," regular sleeping and eating habits, and stress-free living conditions are essential for recovery.

[floweroflife]

Thank you very much a lot of help. Hopefully will be able to get this done at next full moon cycle. Will update.

[Laurel]

Halve a lemon and set to the side while preparing the Epsom salt solution. Lick the lemon, drink the Epsom salt solution in one swoop with a straw, and then immediately lick the lemon again. Any Epsom salt flavor is instantly gone!

[Conaire]

I am finished with my second cleanse today. It made a big difference to time the cleanse with the moon cycle. I released a lot more stones than first time and bigger ones too. I'm feeling pretty good, just a bit tired after my colonic.

The therapist who did the colonic recommended taking two products for a week or so.
1.Udo's Choice Probiotic, to introduce more micro flora into the gut.
2. Lepicol, which is basically Psyllium husk. That's a high fiber supplement to maintain "normal bowel transit".

Also, what to eat, or what not to eat after the cleanse is an important thing to remember.

[Eram]

Congratz on your 2th flush Conair.



Also, what to eat, or what not to eat after the cleanse is an important thing to remember.

Indeed.

Anrdeaz Moritz book suggests to drink freshly juiced fruit after 10:00 h and a light lunch after 12:00 h, when done with the liver flush.

My version of a light lunch (11:00 h. not a second later) consists of a baked onion, mushrooms, 3 eggs, a royal hand full of grated cheese and herbs, mixed together on sourdough toast (the real one, that will break your foot if you let it drop) , to make up for the almost 24 hours fasting.... hehe

For hobbits... diggerent rules apply!

[Hervé]

[...]

Also, what to eat, or what not to eat after the cleanse is an important thing to remember.

Well done on rejuvenating your liver!

Regarding what to eat, this thread The gut of most disease... NOT what you think! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-) and what's called "Compatible Food Combining" should be of serious help :)

For example, grains (i.e. gluten) and proteins (eg. eggs) ingested together is about the best way to get one's digestive system in a renewed shamble... since digestion of these different items follow a totally different processing by the intestinal tract and cancel each other if ingested together. That is, sending conflicting messages to your digestive system which ends up not knowing what to do with the food.

[Teti75]

Hello
I will have my first flush today.
A couple of weeks ago my brother in law died, liver cancer.
I do it to honor his memory and to honor my self, too.
Wish me luck

[floweroflife]

Good luck!

[TigaHawk]

I'm thinking about giving this a go also.

There anything that notes this should not be done if you have hemmerhoids? Just thinking of the aenema bit and the last time i had one done just prior to a colonoscopy..... it felt like they poured hot acid up there. one of the most displeasurable 10minutes in my life. Hell they even had to do the colonoscopy with me awake becuase the doctor neglected to tell me not to eat prior.... Being awake for that, and getting to watch the TV screen it was hooked up to, was not as bad as the aenema was! ouch!

[RunningDeer]

I'm thinking about giving this a go also.

There anything that notes this should not be done if you have hemmerhoids? Just thinking of the aenema bit and the last time i had one done just prior to a colonoscopy..... it felt like they poured hot acid up there. one of the most displeasurable 10minutes in my life. Hell they even had to do the colonoscopy with me awake becuase the doctor neglected to tell me not to eat prior.... Being awake for that, and getting to watch the TV screen it was hooked up to, was not as bad as the aenema was! ouch!

Hello TigaHawk,

JaeBird.com (http://jaebird.com/search_results_botanical3.asp?txtsearchParamTxt=&txtsearchParamCat=15&btnSearch.x=6&btnSearch.y=15&txtsearchParamType=ALL&iLevel=1&txtsearchParamMan=ALL&txtsearchParamVen=ALL&txtFromSearch=fromSearch) - Vein Toning Salve - "Salve used for relief of pain, discomfort and inflammation from hemorrhoids, varicose veins and congestion in the circulation". For the enema, use a generous amount of lubricant such as K-Y Jelly on both the area and the apparatus.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Alan]

I have a question about colonics. I'm curious why they're better than laxatives.

I recently let my doctor talk me into getting a colonoscopy. (I recently turned 50 and my mother had colon cancer.) I don't regret it, the doctor found some pre-cancerous polyps.

Prior to the colonscopy they have you take strong laxatives which clean you out completely. I saw pictures of the inside of my colon and it was squeaky clean.

I was worried about this disrupting my natural flora, so immediately afterwards I took tons of probiotics. I was surprised that the next day I had a normal bowel movement, and was perfectly regular thereafter.

So, both laxatives and colonics are unnatural and invasive, but colonics seem more dangerous to me. Why are colonics better than laxatives?

[Teti75]

My first ones
Not that bad at all

I will keep doing it

Thank you so much for the information
By the way there where lots and lots of them I'm still pasing a few today
Cheers
Teti

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Thought to pop connecting with sauce's thread from av1 here, incase any of you folks would like to give it a go.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16447&highlight=liver

am on the vegan lots of apple juice diet atm (cheeeeese, oh how I long for you) in prep for the nasty mixtures at the end of the week. Epsom salt and oil slammers anyone ;)

M


oooh i tried this one .. weird but effective ; 0 )

[Hervé]

I have a question about colonics. I'm curious why they're better than laxatives.

[...]

So, both laxatives and colonics are unnatural and invasive, but colonics seem more dangerous to me. Why are colonics better than laxatives?

From what I have gathered in my readings on the subject is that most laxatives have side effects after prolonged use (most are made with magnesium oxide which gets one burning in and around one's rectum). Magesium sulfate has the less amount of side effect but, as with all chemical, induces some sort of tolerance where one needs more of the product in order to obtain the same result.

Another thing is that laxatives draw fluids out of one's body to the point of dehydration. My own experience with this during a liver flush was that I thought an enema would be a good idea to flush out whatever was left in my intestinal tract... that water I used never came back out... my intestines went "Slurp!" with it!

Whereas, there are no such a thing with colonics or enemas... and one could add MMS or coffee or whatever to help get rid of whatever condition one wants/needs to address without having to swallow gallons of it and trigger the usual response from one's stomach, liver, pancreas, etc.

Hope this helps?

[Hervé]

Yet, another full moon flush...

First batch of stones in the morning after the olive oil mixture ingestion and before swallowing that 3rd dose of Epsom salt:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pGoKGo79kaAeb6LLZiGWsn8NY1Al8ZFnXIC3GJg_ZxCu9jettkWbOrinQ06m4AlDyGOMNui5IPMV1fn4QBcM7kPmwcu0AhrDJ/IMG_1954a.jpg?psid=1



Then as a result of that ingested 3rd dose of Epsom salt:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pC5ZBkIncUiKB0l8T-gfrqu3rlXOfONYyjaz23VUXqPqHlLbC1t2pRQRhIu9lulN_I1Ka4iO3ZoA643zH8ybmjUsD1f1MvJpt/IMG_1966.JPG?psid=1


Same as above, color enhanced:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pD_NoUfjFkALADXhV8jndkLVvxgNlMzBbBdbgeE87BsecWerTns3st9qcdNtK0ejSBiWvtYOkItMW6MLawMegHQYAAiLvX3Ps/IMG_1966a.jpg?psid=1
Lots of stones and "chaff" or microcrystlline cholesterol



Sampling of stones from above:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pPsl4C7rCl2tZ-R3SuIN6H1C6-A0EOrzM5H-ejLeq1M5xGZl1knolvNbJcGtbbj9TFGlxIHYktb63j8_-PGmVPQmU2h-R1Zil/IMG_1978.JPG?psid=1



Then, after drinking that yummy smoothie a forth time:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1po-olSFsbzliw1cKgqlFj25TLgOdh_DbiY8p5_7ww5W_0fa8Uuk-aBVlA3Jad2XwtVFHJKk71cLoMsIn4XrScWbyJDc8t5JSi/IMG_1974.JPG?psid=1
Less stones but more microcrystalline cholesterol



After some grapefruit juice to get reacquainted with nutrition:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1po-olSFsbzlhEVgKwVabMgk-Cc-ez3qKbqdx11w4bZmiLcGp01QncP-Q4BoJb9Y4CgFxEa94t_8cZO9jUowKT5M_EEkoXU5_A/IMG_1995.JPG?psid=1
Less stones and less "chaff"



Sample stones from above:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pR62LT_kggziO5Ce_1leV8q2Py9RYaeH0HP9Sy26B0h19r2hMQXurs-3sW9e9OiDvUlub0ngruAcErXKDBAfhwP50AHMS8T6h/IMG_1988.JPG?psid=1


That's it for now... that full moon sure flushed out a lot of these hardened, solidified toxic accumulations from their entranched positions... :)

[Ilie Pandia]

Good for you Amzer Zo! Keep going! There seems to be more :)

My last flush (I think it was the 13th) was completely clear. I'll do another one in about 5 months from now to check.

So keep going even it seems like you're not getting there... heh.

[Daughter of Time]

Dear heavens, Amzer Zo!

I know you're a geologist, but you're giving "collecting stones" a whole new meaning!

I've never passed more than 50 small ones at a time.

Anyhow, good for you and keep it up!

[Hervé]

Yes Ilie! And yes DoT!

No way I am going to stop before all ducts are clear of these stones.

As a matter of fact here are some late comers which came down after more fruit juice and fruits:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pD2VeYp9QqNCYv-Yn3mBpIyzn0ohToEHOSVyw3QOLVi7tBaBBhLvA48n6QS82tX8YP3AB16o-U_Lb9lA7xbz0RdM_t98Dcv5e/IMG_1996.JPG?psid=1
More stones and "chaff"



Sample stones from above:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pDCjuC_m2Si17WjlW6KZeYOpg5-jDxr5Vn90g6Qk2Vwp3kfT7lu3D94H9_YcwDXqGny4TgML_mnLJyegdlOrHdcgpIywiPvuD/IMG_2014a.jpg?psid=1
In view of the size of those, I thought that, maybe, they were agglomerates of smaller ones... so I opened one:




https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pcT1pLDU8FDN7_sjOv07ds2H9EmIkUeb-xRXPu-8kYwITIGqUpHMRlC0iy7CNquYgCp7lwsI_vBxDCNF7aqKc92Mpf3tGUqyU/IMG_2026.JPG?psid=1
... and put each half by the side of the center one... inside is all made of that jellyfied bile-cholesterol encased in a shell of crystallized cholesterol which make these stones appear as solid concretions.




Learning something new every time... but that wasn't all the stones: more late comers:



https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1psd1lVLYejDOARh1Ed9yEhDt1iH095Qh569MATn6c2-trpi0aNa6HnG97XURCVUi30JcTnocpdBWXyhEWe6Ekk3feqoWRm5xs/IMG_2039.JPG?psid=1
Clear stool but for the stones!



All of 'em stones from above:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1piHv9xUuQZWF9oBltZ5e3oP9JesXtqH7II8-3p8rOYIYqLe4wDddZUvAQKRRf3GL3dcCkaOmjpQjb3s0ienyTWZvKSzx_kSB3/IMG_2048.JPG?psid=1



When I try to visualize that all those stones were in my gallbladder and biliary ducts for all those years... quite an exercise!


I too got quite a deflated inner tube as a result of these liver flushes!


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Edit: more late comers!


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pC1TvqA3VhlsziH2BAT89_ogdMn7UwsEv7RVGFcMTzl4EAfShyMVYu9IpeaLIRcXUXgFG2FXN6NrhbEscf1HM9V-Iv1rV3vU4/IMG_2055.JPG?psid=1



https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pH1U5_n4ipBv3m8PbpGnMud2vmHO9nl3nAus7HL7yigkFBHHprTjCGWFVcdI731uM8Brjusk2ot1PsHD3kDGZJTidPlMfUTdM/IMG_2066b.jpg?psid=1
Opened up two of the stones, one looked empty and the other was filled with the bile-cholesterol mixture


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pZpZBkdDOJ4gQy59pdxoDn7kp5O4tiDp-SneG1NM3zlSVn6OGGV2FFXlMJ-hlBUF68a3wnFZrmyyI2HeejrHHPpXN_z0r20Vh/IMG_2080b.jpg?psid=1


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[Sidney]

WOW you guys, I am impressed. I am going to start this but I am confused about the order in which I should start. Do I need to clean my colon first, or do kidney cleanse first? I have never done a cleanse besides brief colon cleanser with psyliium ingestion. I have not been very nice to my body until about 5 or so years ago, eating relatively good food, hardly any meat, I have cut wheat almost out, I probably have candida and a few parasites. I have put this off out of fear of it giving me a gall bladder attack, which I have had several in the last 4 years, probably 20 attacks in total. 2 or 3 of them being severe. I drank quite a bit of alcohol in my 20s and early 30s (im 51 now) smoked cigs, and have had my share of prescription drugs (not recreationally). Having had chronic lyme, I have regular flares of illness, which I am sure is from heavy toxins due to the die offs. I have a metal crown in my mouth and so I am sure I also have my share of heavy metals. Needless to say, I have some serious work to do.

I got the apple juice, but I also have gold coin grass, and Im not sure which one to use. But then I read about the kidneys and so I am not sure where to start. I with I would have been following this thread a long time ago, but better late than never. I am committed to bringing myself to well being. Thank you in advance!!!!

[Daughter of Time]

WOW you guys, I am impressed. I am going to start this but I am confused about the order in which I should start. Do I need to clean my colon first, or do kidney cleanse first? I have never done a cleanse besides brief colon cleanser with psyliium ingestion. I have not been very nice to my body until about 5 or so years ago, eating relatively good food, hardly any meat, I have cut wheat almost out, I probably have candida and a few parasites. I have put this off out of fear of it giving me a gall bladder attack, which I have had several in the last 4 years, probably 20 attacks in total. 2 or 3 of them being severe. I drank quite a bit of alcohol in my 20s and early 30s (im 51 now) smoked cigs, and have had my share of prescription drugs (not recreationally). Having had chronic lyme, I have regular flares of illness, which I am sure is from heavy toxins due to the die offs. I have a metal crown in my mouth and so I am sure I also have my share of heavy metals. Needless to say, I have some serious work to do.

I got the apple juice, but I also have gold coin grass, and Im not sure which one to use. But then I read about the kidneys and so I am not sure where to start. I with I would have been following this thread a long time ago, but better late than never. I am committed to bringing myself to well being. Thank you in advance!!!!

Well, you can read all the advice on this thread, or you can check the links provided here:

http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp

Good luck!

[Hervé]

WOW you guys, I am impressed. I am going to start this but I am confused about the order in which I should start. Do I need to clean my colon first, or do kidney cleanse first?

[...]

Check post # 207 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox--from-av1-&p=616524&viewfull=1#post616524) <--- for a summary of the liver cleanse and other advices.

Check this page for the different Hulda Clark cleanses (scroll-down past her books): http://curezone.com/clark/default.asp

For a liver cleanse, all you need to do is get a colonic or enema done on the day prior to your scheduled cleanse (i.e. fifth day of apple juice preparation for softening the stones), do your liver flush and afterwards you can start a parasite cleanse and a kidney cleanse every 3rd-4th liver flush.

The gold coin grass is a substitute to the apple juice -- so is cranberry juice -- in case of intolerance to ingesting lots of apple juice in a day and for six days.

[Hervé]

Very, very late comers:


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pFHhj-JOCZm5tdAtyjX9VY57hMjazYTOMzFtXqK88qmQ83E0hPrBudjCSJzsNsAcEIGjYTox8re3kV-2IdP53iyKaCkJ0iMKE/IMG_2090b.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pTlSqm9vDkuD5H9Yow5noiXxrS9Bvluhy9uSR9dBlB9rOFeXdIGUCEJPb8FFuDK1jskzDbJXtUJ4Drr_VmhSjQp2Z4oRvAK9L/IMG_2094a.jpg?psid=1


https://fwtinw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pfo6l1T_hoSkLne3OtV1N_kTul6yFwF-ZVE04vd4y1-YnbAwy29LHJl34iDy2aELQl4YpipHAtCGjm34uQL9hWtuBRY4uBpMo/IMG_2103.JPG?psid=1


Upon cutting them open, they appeared to be empty shells the content of which was either leached out or seeped out leaving mini-geodes of crystallized cholesterol.

[Sidney]

I think I am going to do the 3 weeks of gold coin grass before doing the actual cleanse, just to be on the safe side. I want to have this process start with the best chance of success. That book is great!!!! Thank you for the terrific info!!! I also think I do have candida so the apple juice may not be the best choice. Has anyone else here not used apple juice?

[Daughter of Time]

I think I am going to do the 3 weeks of gold coin grass before doing the actual cleanse, just to be on the safe side. I want to have this process start with the best chance of success. That book is great!!!! Thank you for the terrific info!!! I also think I do have candida so the apple juice may not be the best choice. Has anyone else here not used apple juice?

I hope this helps:

http://www.thecandidadiet.com/foodstoeat.htm

Best to you in cleansing your system.

DoT

[Hervé]

Well, not much to report on my "New Moon" and 10th liver flush...

Just about 1/2 a dozen very small stones passed down but with a lot of that cholesterol micro-crystalline "chaff."

That's about it for that one!

[Hervé]

... and another stoneful, Full Moon, Liver Cleanse!

Picture summary of the stone yields upon awakening and before the 3rd portion of Epsom Salt:



https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pKqU8MhESvj85ypfn4iVU2B1DSSEo8wg3t8bWXcrddQmNlh2Iv2v3VmxHVVz-xGCi_KKwGdAsnRmA_QahlK5qozTqtnF9Fzca/IMG_2109.JPG?psid=1




After that 3rd Epsom Salt glass:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pEFYVOqu3jY_TE3an253vfuvhmqxjIQojGX8S-v_4_Mwv3gMA8u0ZvuWRPtwVs1Fjrsy25de7cWFf4q3RsI1hByzW7NMYxJZZ/IMG_2118.JPG?psid=1





https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1paZ7Y9kTBKhWwLGd2AfUL6lRqDYOM0AcLyZDmSw3pfEL_hMFpSi0OLzlAiXApcPRoGwSHR4v-7dULmRyvoA1L7_uc62WDv7Iu/IMG_2128.JPG?psid=1




After the 4th glass of Epsom Salt solution:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pxN7Fo0p4ZBH0vqknIjs9yg4FFzdDMqQcfemvy0al3LwRWtZYUKxC3xatrJXZM7k3ogwDksgeV6AYc7a7swf6fUrhYuDwcZvT/IMG_2137.JPG?psid=1



https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pbUmczFcNOVbp58QBh19zLVTYBKL8cVyw_wHAzAZIj2bL-yvNkWp_sXhqgFDYgJLYXtjaUKcwEKpkjCcO_SYqY_IbpZSECwYL/IMG_2151.JPG?psid=1




Well, it seems that I now have a happier and lighter liver and gallbladder :) !

[Hervé]

Late comers...



https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pzfyiVQJq1xYPytRLCjvJ48l9NwfTI8UDsDHT4hbAUbwyoloafDQOU34zejwvzvIfa-a-tN01u2uhHCfNsY-Gej8gIQbrKFwg/IMG_2161.JPG?psid=1



Opened up the largest one and found it filled with that bile-cholesterol jelly encased in a shell of crystallized cholesterol.


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1p-Ieq61Xri4-3cEn0XEzxaQIb6pZtKNtHqrJmCnJdsZpUqLgyoj-Au6Ndn_t0qqTy6vHL3J4_Ngs8DLmMmOwYH5HjMHYP99Vt/IMG_2179.JPG?psid=1


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pG__JPU4uadZ-Pxrf6MtPCoktkny18eDlhbfrmhSWbZHoUqxMo8wGk2hvsZc3Hbmt8ehazSq-N1Qw2BQ7wNh5ZhrqWEIuXgrk/IMG_2172.JPG?psid=1


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[Eram]

I finished my 7th flush last week.

I lost 22 large stones this time (marble size) and many small ones as usual.

After 7 flushes I can tell that my liver feels much better and my overall energy levels are way up.
Before I started to do liver flushes, my liver felt irritated and or sensitive half of the time and this is almost gone now.
Also, I had huge energy dips at about four o clock in the afternoon that lasted till about eight of nine o clock.
These sort of energy dips are almost always related to liver problems.
Now I can go on all day without experiencing these kinds of energy issues.

A failing liver and bile flow are also connected with digestive problems, resulting in stool that has different characteristics of malfunction.
Too thin, too thick, wrong color,it floats.
After the first flush this was corrected and never caused me problems since. :)

[Jean-Luc]

Done it !

Thanks to the great support coming from this thread (thanks to all), I just completed my first 1-week flush (6 days of 1L delicious home grown apple juice + 4 cups of Epsom salt + 1 cup of orange juice with olive oil, as described on chapter 4 of Andreas Moritz's book The Liver and Gallbladder Miracle Cleanse (http://curezone.com/upload/PDF/Save_Your_Life_/THE_LIVER_AND_GALLBLADDER_MIRACLE_CLEANSE.pdf))

I swallowed both Epsom and Orange/Olive oil without much difficulty : just a bit of a taste of metal in the mouth for 5 minutes because of the magnesium, but nothing to worry about really).

And yes, I did produce, some time after my fourth cup of Epsom salt this morning, quite a few mostly pea-size yellowish "stones"... in about 2 rounds so far.

Feeling just fine now.

Will obvioulsy do it again in a couple of weeks.


P.S. I think there are enough pictures on this thread already, so I'll spare you all the details of my own production :)

[ThePythonicCow]

P.S. I think there are enough pictures on this thread already, so I'll spare you all the details of my own production :)
Thanks :)

[RunningDeer]

Done it ! Will obvioulsy do it again in a couple of weeks.

Congrats, Jean-Luc,

Page 185, "Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation": “This may require at least 8-12 flushes, which can be performed at three-week or monthly intervals. Do not flush more frequently than that! The three-week break between flushes may include the six-day preparation for the next liver flush, but most ideally, it should start after the three weeks have passed. If you cannot flush this often, you may take more time between flushes.”

* The bold and italic print above was the author’s emphasis.

This is Andreas Moritz's free eBook: "Timeless Secrets of Health and Rejuvenation". (http://j.b5z.net/i/u/7000617/f/Timeless_Secrets_of_Health_and_Rejuvenation_NOV_2007_eBook.pdf) It's so chock full of great information that I purchased a hard copy. It's not your typical health book. There's a chapter on the liver gallbladder cleanse in this one, too.

For the people that are new, I’ll repost this from Andreas Moritz’s material:

“The important thing to remember is that once you have started cleansing the liver, you should keep cleansing it until no more stones come out during two consecutive flushes. Leaving the liver half clean for a long period of time (three or more months) may cause greater discomfort than not cleansing it at all. The liver, as a whole, will begin to function more efficiently soon after the first flush, and you may notice sudden improvements, sometimes within several hours. Pains will lessen, energy will increase, and clarity of mind will improve considerably.

However, within a few days, stones from the rear of the liver will have traveled “forward” toward the two main bile ducts (hepatic ducts) in the liver, which may cause some or all of the previous symptoms of discomfort to return. In fact, you might feel disappointed because the recovery seems so short-lived. Yet all of this merely indicates that some stones were left behind, ready to be removed with the next round of cleansing. Nevertheless, the liver’s self-repair and cleansing responses will have increased significantly, adding a great deal of effectiveness to this extremely important organ of the body.

As long as there are still a few small stones traveling from some of the thousands of small bile ducts to any of the hundreds of larger bile ducts, they may combine to form larger stones and produce previously experienced symptoms, such as backache, headache, earache, digestive trouble, bloating, irritability, anger, and so forth, although these may be less severe than they were before.

If two consecutive new cleanses no longer produce any stones, which may happen after 6 to 8 flushes (in severe cases it may take 10 to 12 or more), your liver can be considered “stone-free”. Nevertheless, it is recommended that you repeat the liver flush every six to eight months. Each flush will give a further boost to the liver and take care of any toxins or new stones that may have accumulated in the meantime.”

Paula :wave:ing

[Hervé]

An alternate to Andreas Moritz's "three weeks" is Hulda Clark's "two week" minimum between flushes, so, instead of following Andreas Moritz's schedule of once a month, I started following Hulda Clark's recommended schedule of one every two weeks: http://curezone.com/clark/liver.asp. This alternates New Moon and Full Moon flushes with my most successful flushes in terms of number of stones passed being on Full Moons.

[Hervé]

Finally, a "successful" "New Moon" flush!

First batch upon the morning -- post olive oil-grapefruit juice mixture -- and before the 3rd Epsom salt solution to the right side of the coin (19 mm across) and after that 3rd Epsom salt smoothie to its left:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pLR1cEY8MeOtGGa_vzlGzXrexVMm7yekWnf1hpPanU66L4gLHlEKycQ46klacky-22bi2jJANCPTI4HI0KwSEzijLJgysoMcK/IMG_2200.JPG?psid=1



Second batch before the 4th and las Epsom salt solution:


https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pgrT4x-BBfEo_DO_JIcK7HLq_rGj8GjHBQYuGu9ZbkvkLo93sUFfnFstPOWxTV_jTL2Xioor071KYLiywcJ-RTUjOfLI8L5xC/IMG_2224.JPG?psid=1
The interesting thing here is that "fresh" stones have started to appear (right side of picture/coin) since they are greener and less "crusty" than "older" stones which have had a longer stay within the liver ducts and have turned into solid concretions of crystallized cholesterol (left side of picture/coin).



Next batch of stones:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pvdmXVOS3NePopFMsjWx-I2kSig_Kh6w-pdo4zaRx-raFMyPl642h0QoLBBnoy1x6Hk3-c-ySmGR6q4Z5lboYRbcMG-KVPX4A/IMG_2243.JPG?psid=1


Cut open:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pxxjMAGbGJ9xTST_6vpZphyoW8LflMUTDPc2w_jw7fWR9ZqTm5ZVVbbnqGKoy4145HRn-lmbqjrQSaB7Ox6D1qhQGjLirHIBb/IMG_2257.JPG?psid=1


Batch of late comers:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pNmpcAlYZvxSWFyXqsihgHmYACGbJOF6DVSoLyhF5R7tX75UIspV4vWg9kkbRxAoSA_xVmY7ceMfw3j7rreZvYE0CVH9cp392/IMG_2276.JPG?psid=1


Cut open:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pQ4k2RshLplEnGPLT8NElG8c8xJTOvv9kEcmAEWm4kkhT_0vcesPaj68osj67ch1Odgg5wx7OJQ6nrkGLhEwYReWBCkSWx9-5/IMG_2301.JPG?psid=1


Last batch of late comers:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1puI2MWULbyo-kIQapgtRrv5x9nwHUWZRI69tDUIZAthzvRCR8XoTfrGHEIOI-NHtR00kHmBgz5Xbq81kKAi4IQZxL49FBmf6p/IMG_2305.JPG?psid=1


Cut open:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pYVAEVymPL4LQc9APCjqiS8QgIOGOhr23pdqy-PX6FJt0rD_bsQ2yhJLIEcOBwwflslbTLRbXPM5eu9B_mQ8KnPq4WiFWdI9z/IMG_2314.JPG?psid=1


... and a close-up:

https://fwtinw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1po_X_nYS5P5MWbBysZfXy2JLxqgmIcfEuN6ezsdD4WsazhRqkxy9rba1GgZWB6-cK_akGfhV2FCBWQ98I5DRJpnt_wlYylSOD/IMG_2314a.jpg?psid=1



The appearance of these "fresher," green, less "crusty," "younger" stones give me some hope that my liver is cleared of most of the "old stones" that were clogging my biliary duct system... who could have guessed that there was some sort of "CLR/Draino" for the human plumbing system!?

[Jean-Luc]

Finally, a "successful" "New Moon" flush!

First batch upon the morning -- post olive oil-grapefruit juice mixture -- and before the 3rd Epsom salt solution to the right side of the coin (19 mm across) and after that 3rd Epsom salt smoothie to its left:

(...)



Gorgeous. Nearly just a nice as malachite stones, though a litttle paler.

Nothing less to exepect from a geologist, I guess. I suggest you set up a blog and offer part of your collection for sale to raise money for some good cause :)

[gracieuse]

hey everyone, thanks for posting the cleanse. this website claims to sell a product with which you can pulverise all stones:

http://www.gallbladderdetox.com/

this claim is hard to verify of course, apart from having xray/ultrasound pictures before and after.

I've also read a critical medical article about liver cleanses. I'm not intending to discount anyone's experience above - in fact I don't have any experience with any of the methods - but only to bring a different viewpoint to the discussion and provide for a more holistic debate.

The article says that:
1. the liver itself does not hold any stones (only the gallbladder does)
2. gallstones are hard, not soft and do not leave traces of grease on paper
3. gallstones are made up of cholesterol, bilirubine and calcium which makes the stones sink, not float
4. the stones that come out of the cleanse are formed by partly indigested olive oil and acids, you can reproduce them by mixing lemon juice and oleic acid in a test tube
5. conclusion: the stones that are eliminated from the cleansing are basically formed by the ingredients you've put in

The article is not in english so it's no use posting it here. Again: I don't claim to hold the truth or anything, my intention by posting it is to have people think twice and not believe anything right away if it comes from a source of alternative medicine. I guess the key is to have a critical and open mind towards any source of information.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Gallstones1pl.jpg

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http://agajournals.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/gallstones.jpg

[Ilie Pandia]

1. the liver itself does not hold any stones (only the gallbladder does)
4. the stones that come out of the cleanse are formed by partly indigested olive oil and acids, you can reproduce them by mixing lemon juice and oleic acid in a test tube
5. conclusion: the stones that are eliminated from the cleansing are basically formed by the ingredients you've put in


1. I cannot confirm now, but Andreas says in the book that stones have been found in the liver. In that case 1 is false. (I'll try to look this up, since there was photo of a liver filled with stones...)

4. 5. If that is true, then why after I have flushed my liver and gallbladder no more stones are "produced"?!?! I put the same ingredients in, so why don't I produce the same stones every time?

This looks a cheap, not properly researched attack on a method that for me personally had a dramatic result. Just read this thread. I have personal experience, not guess work :)

[Eram]

Hi Gracieuse and welcome to Avalon,

You bring a very interesting topic to the table.
Amzer zo talked about Hulda Clarke and her ideas about liver cleanses and there too is talk about false liver stones, formed after taking the olive oil and grapefruit juice.
http://curezone.com/clark/liver.asp

I think it is a good idea to talk about this.
Maybe we can get some answers when we compare notes.

My own personal findings after 7 liver flushes are the ones that I wrote down here:

I finished my 7th flush last week.

I lost 22 large stones this time (marble size) and many small ones as usual.

After 7 flushes I can tell that my liver feels much better and my overall energy levels are way up.
Before I started to do liver flushes, my liver felt irritated and or sensitive half of the time and this is almost gone now.
Also, I had huge energy dips at about four o clock in the afternoon that lasted till about eight of nine o clock.
These sort of energy dips are almost always related to liver problems.
Now I can go on all day without experiencing these kinds of energy issues.

A failing liver and bile flow are also connected with digestive problems, resulting in stool that has different characteristics of malfunction.
Too thin, too thick, wrong color,it floats.
After the first flush this was corrected and never caused me problems since.

I can add to that,my frame of mind improved a lot ever since I started to do liver flushes.

'Connecting with sauce' (the initiator of this thread) had this to say about that:


Spot on there.

I wonder if this stagnation of Chi in the Liver also causes the stagnation of chi in the knees and ankles, or if there is a relation there.
I have had problems (mild inflammations and unexplainable injuries at the knees many times in my life), and my girlfriend, who can feel chi flows, says that the chi flow in my legs is stagnated and when she de-blocks the stagnation in the ankles, the stagnation immediately forms a bit higher in the leg. I actually have a rheumatoid arthritis in one knee now for some time.
I do exercises for it (chi flow) that help to some extend, but it is working as a bandage only so far.
I hope that with the coming liver flushes, there will be improvement in that area as well.

My intuition always linked my angry like personality to the liver. Well angry as in, grumpiness and with a short fuse sometimes.
I actually went to therapy for that (short fuse), but not with the result that I hoped for. It's still there.

I don't know, but reading this book from Andreas Moritz feels like a big congregation of roads. A turn around point if you will.

I will look into that website as well. Try some herbs maybe, to get the chi flow in the right direction :)

My analogy with anger and the liver flush...

Before flush it is like a kettle which has recently been boiled... and boiling is anger... Doing a liver flush or three (I've done 12+ now) is like changing the water in the kettle for fresh cold water. I no longer feel angry at all about anything and more observe situations rather than get emotionally "tweaked" by them, if this makes sense... I think it is ONE OF THE BEST things ANYONE can do to regain their health and mental stability...

John Shore


His description here equals my personal findings also.
My temper has calmed down a lot (my family can testify to that).

So, in my opinion and findings, liver flushes certainly change ones health (body & psyche) for the better.

Andreas Moritz book talks about stones becoming more darker green with every flush because that stones come from deeper within the liver.
After that, stones are more yellow or less dark green, because they are newer and just formed with small stones that came from the small tubes in the liver, congregating in the bigger tubes.

This is exactly what I witnessed.
yellow green stones in the beginning, turning darker green with every flush, up till the 5th flush.
After that the stones turns more yellow/green/gray and when looked upon more closely, I could see that they where recently formed from smaller stones.

I would very much like to know if it really true that stones can be formed after taking the olive oil/grape juice solution and how one can see the difference between the stones that are formed in the liver and the stones, formed after the solutions.
My personal findings led me to believe that stones are being formed in the liver though, and that taking the liver flushes is one of the best ways to regain health again.

edit to ad:
One of the members here, who took 11 liver flushes so far, recently went for a ibogain weekend and he was the only one of all the participants that didn't have to puke due to the ibogain.
Ibogain is known to be hard on the liver....

[gracieuse]

Hi everyone, I love a sparked debate! Shining an analytical light on our own and other people's viewpoints and methods enables us to test the truth in whatever we believe in, thus it holds the potential to bring out the best in each and every one of us. Which is why I would not categorise my previous post as an "attack", it definitely was not intended that way and I wrote respectfully that I was not discrediting anyone's experience. Anyway, if a method is truthful it can withstand any "attack" on its foundation.

Let's make a critical distinction here. People wrote here about their positive experiences with the liver cleanse. And I had read those accounts already when I placed my previous post. Like I said, I do not discount those experiences. But now onto the matter of fact/context and the interpretation thereof. The fact is the positive experiences several of you had. The interpretation is, what exactly happened in the body that caused those positive experiences? Until now, the assumption has been made that the cause of the experience was the expulsion of gallstones (I'll return to the matter of liver stones in a bit).

Turning back to the article, which appeared in a peer-reviewed medical journal, it is highly unlikely gallstones were indeed expulsed. The article refers to two cases in which stones that were returned from the cleanse described in the post were subjected to testing in the lab. The studies concluded that the composition of the stones is in no way like that of gallstones. The main ingredients of the stones were 'triglycerides' and 'fatty acids', the composition of which was consistent with that of olive oil, no cholesterol or bilirubine, of which gallstones are formed. Given to patients with stones, the xrays showed no improvement of their condition after the cleanse, even though 'stones' were passed. The experiment was re-verified by having patients that were proven to be stone-free (x-rays, echographies) take the cleanse, and they expelled a large amount of 'stones'. The literature concludes that the stones are formed by the interaction between bile, juices from the pancreas and olive oil, perhaps in combination with the salts from the grapefruit juice.

For a note of nuance, that article notes that the combination of such a dose of olive oil, in combination with the epsom salts has a great contracting effect on the galbladder, resulting in the release of a great(er) amount of bile and pancreatic fluids. Therefore it is not excluded that some actual small galstones will be released. As mentioned before, due to their composition, if actual gallstones are released at all, they will sink and not float, so then it'll be diving into the toilet for ya :P

Anyway, if you want to be sure, the way to go is to take your jewels to the lab! On a side note, Hulda Clark died of cancer.

For these parts, the article quotes (I have no access to the original sources):



Dekkers R. Apple juice and the chemical-contact softening of gallstones. Lancet. 1999;354:2171 Medline. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(05)77083-5

Ewald N, Hardt PD. [Flushing stones? "Liver purging" and "gallbladder lavage"]. Dtsch Med Wochenschr. 2009;134:1774 Medline. doi:10.1055/s-0029-1234016

Sies CW, Brooker J. Could these be gallstones? Lancet. 2005;365:1388 Medline. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(05)66373-8

Saunders JH, Thjodleifsson B, Wormsley KG. Effect of intraduodenal magnesium sulphate on pancreas and gallbladder of man. Gut. 1976;17:435-8 Medline. doi:10.1136/gut.17.6.435


If that is true, then why after I have flushed my liver and gallbladder no more stones are "produced"?!?! I put the same ingredients in, so why don't I produce the same stones every time?
Ok I am not a doctor or someone with intricate knowledge of the internal working of organs, but following the logic of the previous analysis, perhaps the body gets used to the cleanses more and more, so the galbladder contracts less, which results in less and eventually no stones, as the bile and juices from the pancreas are necessary to form the stones.

Onto the point of liverstones. I've found that there is rare condition called "intrahepatic calculi" which may cause stones in the liver through an interaction with a viral infection and inflammation, but this pretty much does not occur in the west, only in eastern countries. I have not been able to get access to an article from a medical journal to verify this information, only from general medical websites.

Last but not least, the point of interpreting people's factual experiences. How come you feel better after the 'cleanse' if no/exceptionally a few galstones have been passed? This is a very interesting matter indeed. Some ideas:
- grapefruit juice is rich in vitamins and minerals
- olive oil is rich in important fatty acids
- an element of epsom salt is magnesium
Maybe some of you were suffering a lack or depletion of minerals or other building blocks that the treatment provides. A lack of vitamins/minerals can certainly turn one into a little demon, and deplete your energies. I know that from personal experience :)
Some other suggestions can be found here (http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1535210)

Now, a doc here (http://www.articlesfactory.com/articles/health/the-liver-cleanse-myth-and-gallstones.html) has also made an interesting point: the liver is the organ in our body that detoxifies our bodies; it does not need detoxification itself. Along with another important point: the ducts are too small to pass such large stones as those that come out of the cleanse.

This leads me to more food for thought: are (harsh) cleanses harming our bodies more than they do good? This though has come up before, after doing a saltwater colon cleanse. It's such a forceful activity to first pass 1,5 l of water through your organs in a short period of time, not to mention the needed bacterias that are flushed out along with it. Besides, I've spoken with a specialist in internal medicine, and he explained that the whole inner lining of the intestines is constantly renewed by the body itself on the very cellular level.

As the contact with my body is becoming more intimate, I'm finding more and more what a marvellous 'entity' it is. I believe the body is created perfect and will do a fine job at detoxing just by itself. The body is always striving towards balance. You can greatly hinder its effort or support it. However, I personally believe in the support by exercise, fresh air, sunlight, a diet that is nutritious for you (or prana if you've climbed the ladder of breatharianism ;)), meditation in the broadest sense of the word. Get in touch with your body and it will tell you what it needs, you might be drawn to a certain colour/smell of a food product. Perhaps getting off of addictive food and drinks, reducing caloric intake to the minimum, carefully chewing the food until it is liquid, eating in awareness and an occasional fast (carefully built up so it is not forceful) are much better detoxes/cleanses.

[Hervé]

From my experience...

I started with a severe case of jaundice which was preceded by severe "stomach cramps" I had no idea what was causing them; see post # 92 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox--from-av1-&p=552916&viewfull=1#post552916).

The conclusion is that my liver-pancreatic common duct was completely clogged with large stones and generating these severe "stomach cramps."


http://curezone.com/images/anatomy_liver1.gif

The argument that stones larger than bile ducts diameter cannot be expelled doesn't hold much water since magnesium is a muscle relaxant allowing for extreme stretching of bile ducts (giving birth is an analogue to such extremes).

The curezone "dye experiment " is insufficiently analyzed since the dye used is toxic and liver processes toxins which therefore end up being expelled by the liver and/or incorporated within stones. Hence the presence of the dye in the stones doesn't necessarily imply it is the olive oil that's being balled-up into stones.

Intrahepatic stones (http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp) do exist:


http://curezone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/000.jpg
Intrahepatic Stones - Liver - Bile Ducts (http://curezone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/default.asp?i=0&n=13)



X-rays and echographies do not detect most of the actual gallstones present.

The argument presented by Ilie that the number and size of stones decrease down to nil is a clincher against "It's just the olive oil and the salt balled up overnight."

As for the medical industry financed by big pharma, see this article (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209), then, this one (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32372-Autism-and-vaccines&p=652224&viewfull=1#post652224) <---


As for the success rate of liver flushes and how individual gauge said results and felt afterwards, see this comprehensive survey: http://curezone.com/faq/p/r.asp?a=28,571,2826&s=21&u=1

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

So readers to this thread may fell disappointing or feel cheated when reading all the "debunking" that is done on the net about the myth of "liver and gallbladder" flush.

To those people, (those that want to get well and do not want to have surgery or other invasive "modern medicine" treatment) I suggest the following:

- do read Andreas books recommended on this thread. I am not saying this information is 100% accurate, but he does explain things a lot better, he gives plenty of references for his "claims" and he deals (at the end) with the so "skepticism".

- do read about the positive experiences myself and others have had with this. I am not lying, and I think I've also provided some photos. This proves that "something does happen" that assists in the healing process. Now you can debate what "exactly is happening" or you can start the healing process. The medicine will eventually catch up, but not any time soon.

- there are people that DO NOT tolerate this protocol. To say that it helps everybody is not accurate. So you will have to test it out. In the books it is explained how you can do this safely, what to expect, what to do in case of trouble. The attacks on the web that "nobody is telling you about risks" are just bollocks! You are being told, and even on this thread myself and others talked about the possible risks. So you have to get informed and decide on your own if you want to try it out or not.

- don't get stuck on "peer reviewed medical journal" thing that says this is not possible. There are plenty reasons why those reviews may be biased and they simply refuse to look at the all the positive experience people have. They focus a few negative results, and they do not investigate if the person did follow the protocol properly, if the person tested to see if s/he is allergic to any of things you need to drink and so on. In other works, the so called "scientific journal" is not very scientific in its method. It's a piece of text, with "big scientific words" that dazzle and do not say much (or follow any scientific protocol).

- do look at placebo. Most thinks is the magical stuff or "wishful thinking" and yet even Big Pharma has to admit it is a real effect since their medicine needs to be tested against it. So to day "this is just a placebo effect" has absolutely ZERO value with me. As far as I am concerned, all healing is a Placebo effect, and you are trying to trigger this effect as strongly as you can.

[Eram]

Hi again gracieuse,

After reading your last post I actually went as far to read all your post to get a better feel as to your intentions here on Avalon.
Well, you seem to be sincere enough :lol:

It does appear to me though that you haven't read the book that Andres Moritz wrote about this (http://ebookbrowse.com/the-liver-and-gallbladder-miracle-cleanse-pdf-d150987779) as he addresses a lot of your concerns there.

Sadly, we live in a world where a lot of medical information leads one to a life full of pain and pharmaceutical poison.
If you are seriously interested in becoming a master of your own health, you have to develop a sense as to what information is valid and what information is filled with ignorance, or downright bad intentions.

Also from your suggestions here:



Last but not least, the point of interpreting people's factual experiences. How come you feel better after the 'cleanse' if no/exceptionally a few galstones have been passed? This is a very interesting matter indeed. Some ideas:
- grapefruit juice is rich in vitamins and minerals
- olive oil is rich in important fatty acids
- an element of epsom salt is magnesium
Maybe some of you were suffering a lack or depletion of minerals or other building blocks that the treatment provides. A lack of vitamins/minerals can certainly turn one into a little demon, and deplete your energies. I know that from personal experience :)
Some other suggestions can be found here (http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1535210)


I deduct that your awareness of the human body, well being and nutrition has to improve somewhat. :)
To attribute improved health to a small amount of vitamins, minerals, fatty acids and magnesium, taken only once every 3 or 4 weeks is not accurate.
I agree that a lack of vitamins, minerals and healthy fat leaves the body in a starvation mode, but one has to supplement over a longer period of time and almost every day to find improvement in health.

Ilie pandia and Amzer Zo are two fine examples of living prove of the truth in the liver cleanse protocols.
Their health has changed dramatically for the better after the liver flushes.

for instance:

Well, 11th is behind me.

I've only passed a very very small stone.

So I guess I'll have my 12th next month and then I'm done :)

This is me before and after:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X9K4mdwBsvc/UAVWHo0OJJI/AAAAAAAAHwM/u005EwqrdjM/s320/inainte3.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s3dZb63aec8/UAVYqqEUBAI/AAAAAAAAHwo/s1XWXhTvNzI/s400/p_dupa.JPG

There is a dramatic drop in weight, that is obvious to everybody, but there have also been internal changes just as dramatic that you cannot see :biggrin:

[Swan]

Hi everyone,

I was all set to do my first liver cleanse a couple of months ago. But when I was about to drink the epsom salts my body just refused. I could not force myself to drink it. I could not convince myself that it would be of no harm to my body.

So, about 8 weeks ago, I decided to do the Dr Schulze 30 day detox instead. This is 2 weeks of bowel detoxing, one week liver cleansing and one week kidney cleansing. The detoxing is done with herbs while on a raw food diet / juice fasting.

I feel ( and look :) ) amazing. The detox made it quite easy to give up all the foods I was addicted to. And I am still dairy-sugar-coffee-alcohol-grain free, and eat mostly raw food.

I am not discounting anybody´s experiences, in fact I might even try this liver cleanse again. But if one feels it is too harsh, IMO the Dr Schulze detox is a very good alternative.

[Hervé]

13th liver flush on another full moon... less spectacular than the last couple of flushes and, hopefully, an indication that my liver is running out of stones to spit out :)


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Right of coin, stones that came out in the morning before the third glass of Epsom; left, the stones that came out after that third glass.




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Sample of the stones that came out after the fourth and last glass of Epsom.

After that there were about a dozen of small late comers and that's about it for this one.

[Hervé]

Oooops... more late comers:


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Opened up a few...

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Close ups:

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