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northstar
10th November 2013, 17:38
hello dear friends. This showed up in my e-mail inbox and it is a succinct, well written assessment of what is facing sentient life. There are some things in this post I very much agree with and others I don't so much agree with.

I would love to hear some thoughts from Avalonians on what Dave Pollard is saying here about civilization's end. Basically he says we are circling the drain and we can't get escape from an inevitable collapse, and we must began planning and organizing now into small community groups to weather the impending destruction.

Recently I listened to a wonderful 3 hour interview of Stewart Rhodes of the Oath Keeper's organization and he says pretty much the same thing. Strong bonds in local community is what will save us, not a bunch of solitary preppers hunkered down alone in their basements.

Together, we are strong.

Thoughts? Impressions? Opinions?

http://howtosavetheworld.ca/2013/11/08/links-of-the-month-november-8-2013/



November 8, 2013
Links of the Month: November 8, 2013
Filed under: Preparing for Civilization's End — Dave Pollard @ 05:26

The Three Es system chart

http://howtosavetheworld.ca/images/The-Three-Es.png

I‘ve just been interviewed by Janaia and Robyn at Peak Moment TV (video will be up soon). The conversation inspired me to try to come up with a short summary of why I am so convinced that our civilization is in its last few decades, and that our efforts to mitigate its collapse are largely a waste of time and energy, and what someone who shares this worldview could or should do now. This is what I came up with:

We’re already past the tipping point. For ten years I have been studying our civilization, our culture, who we are and what makes us human, and the nature of complex systems. That has led me to believe that our civilization, like any system dependent on complicated technologies and unsustainable processes, is hurtling towards energy, economic and ecological collapse, any one of which would lead inexorably to our civilization’s collapse.
There are three global unsustainable systems headed for inevitable near-term collapse. Inherent in these systems are both positive feedback loops and negative feedback loops. The positive (reinforcing) loops tend to lead to collapse. An example is how greater human numbers lead to greater production of human foods and vice versa, in an accelerating loop that has led to an utterly unsustainable 7.3 billion humans on the planet, a number that would reach 11-12 billion by century’s end barring the certain collapse of our industrial food and other systems. These positive feedback loops are pushing us towards three catastrophic Endgames shown in the chart above:
The exhaustion, in just two centuries, of billions of years’ of stored energy and other natural resources, which currently enable us to produce goods at hundreds of times the rate we could if we depended on human and animal power alone.
The collapse of the industrial economy, which depends on ever-increasing production, consumption, growth, indebtedness, capacity to repay that indebtedness, and Ponzi-style faith that such growth can somehow continue forever.
Runaway climate change, as human activity pushes our fragile atmosphere’s Earth-regulating temperature higher than it has been in million of years, with the increase between now and 2050 almost certain to be greater than the decrease during the coldest known ice age, with comparable planet-altering effects. Arctic and Antarctic melting, and the burning of what’s left of the world’s great forests, are releasing massive amounts of methane gas and other gases much more potent than CO2. So instead of warming a degree or two Celsius by 2100, climate scientists now say we are on track for 4-6C of warming by mid-century, leading to unliveable conditions of heat and storm and fire and flood everywhere but on the poles by 2100, even if we were to institute a herculean program to change our behaviours globally and immediately.
Attempts to intervene and rebalance the systems are defeated by the Jevons Paradox. Complex systems also have negative (balancing) feedback loops, but in a phenomenon called the Jevons Paradox, these systems have evolved in such a way that instead of balancing and mitigating the ‘runaway’ positive loops, the negative loops act to prevent and defeat attempts to rebalance and mitigate them. So for example when we pass laws requiring greater fuel efficiency standards, one consequence is the invention of vehicles such as hybrid cars. These cars’ greater fuel efficiency alleviates both the cost and guilt feelings of driving a gas-gulper, with the paradoxic result that owners of such vehicles drive them so much more than their older cars that they actually burn more hydrocarbons than did the more carefully-driven gas gulpers they’ve replaced. Another example: In a large impersonal and hierarchical society, when we impose taxes or caps or laws to penalize pollution, or profligacy, or waste, or other foolish behaviour, instead of getting behaviour change what we get instead is more and more clever ways to circumvent and cheat the rules, and more and more money spent to buy politicians who will undo these rules. So “solutions” such as large fines for the banksters’ massive “white-collar” crimes and the Koch brothers’ ecological atrocities accomplish nothing — they actually quantify the limits to risk and hence encourage and reward such behaviour. And any activist who seriously threatens the status quo of the positive feedback loops will be quickly labeled a terrorist by those who profit from them, and neutralized.
Even monumental coordinated global human interventions will only delay and worsen the inevitable collapse. So it is pretty clear to me that we are going to lurch in fits and starts over the next few decades towards energy/resource, economic and ecological collapse, and our attempts to mitigate them and balance one off against the other will simply forestall for a few more years the inevitable collapse of all three systems over the next few decades. The order of collapse hardly matters now. And there is nothing we can do to prevent or significantly lessen or delay it.
It’s time to move “beyond hope“. This is a pretty bleak reality for most of us to face. Most would rather continue to believe in magical thinking — that markets or new leaders or new technologies or “human ingenuity” or some collective global consciousness-raising or the Rapture will rescue us in time, or that some deus ex machina, some white swan event or discovery will save us, that somehow things will work out OK because “they always have before”. John Gray’s Straw Dogs explains why such belief is foolish and self-defeating; we cannot be other than who we are — just another Earth species too smart for its own good driven by the needs of the moment, doing what we must.
What we can do, now. But if you’ve reached the stage where you can no longer believe in such magical solutions, you need some other course of action. You can’t do nothing, especially if you have a conscience, or children, or a love for this planet’s non-human life. What you have to do, I think, is give up hoping and trying to bring the systems back into balance through interventions like progressive voting and activism and composting and solar power, and instead start learning to be resilient so that when these crises hit, you and those you love will at least be better equipped to cope and respond to them than most of us are now. I think there are four ways to do that:
Live an exemplary, joyful, present life: Be a model of living in the present, joyously, every day, living a life that’s aware, generous, responsible, sustainable and full of learning, wonder and love. Rather than dwell on the future or the past or what could have been done or is going to happen, focus on making the world better for yourself and those immediately around you now. Perform what Adam Gopnik calls “a thousand small sanities“. Seek to exemplify what Richard Holloway calls “an attitude of contemplative gratitude“.
Second, re-learn essential skills and knowledge that will make you and your community more self-sufficient and resilient when centralized global systems — governments, big corporations, trade, industrial agriculture, energy etc. — fall apart. Learn to make clothes, or to grow your own food organically, or how to mentor a student to learn how to learn, or how to facilitate a group to work more effectively together. And learn more about yourself as well — how to make yourself well, what triggers you or frightens you (and why), what you do really well, and what you really care about.
Third, discover your neighbours and connect with them, and learn how to build and live in community, where sharing is more important than owning. Learn how to care about, and even love, people you really don’t like very much. When hierarchies collapse, what we’ll be left with is community. Get to know yours.
And fourth, work with others to help them, and you, to heal from the damage this culture has already done to us, physically and emotionally, and to cope with the fear, the guilt and the grief we all start to feel when we realize what we have done to this planet, with the best of intentions, and what we’re going to face as a consequence.

That’s about it, I think. Ten years’ learning and writing about complexity, culture, ecology and collapse condensed into six points.

spiritwind
10th November 2013, 17:56
Probably why I felt motivated to attend my first local Oathkeepers meeting here in Eastern Washington. Fine group of people from what I could see, educated, passionate about the Constitution, concern for their communities. Funny to find out that Idaho is way ahead of us. They were very careful about what they said, emphasized they were not interested in discrimination or racism of any kind, as well as no extremists. It would not be allowed. They did emphasize what has been clearly documented to be happening to not only our Constitution but also the complete lack of regard being shown as of late for what at the time were considered (albeit in a more limited fashion) inalienable human rights. NDAA and the Patriot Act pretty much speak for themselves. What is happening crosses all lines of division in my opinion and it should make us realize that many of our petty differences fade when faced with what we are now faced with. I am convinced there are many good people out there motivated by a clear and urgent need to protect their communities which include everyone they hold dear. Not some nameless out there thing, but right here at home. The hair on my neck stands up a lot lately and that's all I'm going to say.

northstar
10th November 2013, 18:48
Thanks for your thoughts on Oath Keepers, Spiritwind.

I recently listed to a three hour podcast of Stewart Rhodes talking about Oath Keepers on Coast to Coast radio. http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/09/08

I was utterly blown away by the man's intelligence, his sincerity and his message. As a Canadian, I cannot speak to "upholding the American constitution" but I resonated very powerfully to his comments about the urgent need for people to get to know their neighbors and those in their immediate communities. It makes perfect sense!

I also love the fact that he focuses on military members, police and firefighters. These men and women are the backbone of communities and Rhodes has brilliantly developed a social movement that focuses on this immensely influential group.

I might add that Rhode's assessment of how jack-booted tyranny is brought to bear upon vulnerable communities is brilliant. He is a well educated man and he speaks with authority. He knows his stuff. He also "presents well" in media. He is a great speaker with a compelling message.

I am very, very impressed by Stewart Rhodes and Oath Keepers.

ghostrider
10th November 2013, 22:58
The boot on neck of the U.S. is being felt ... Here in America the constitution is the supreme law of the land , it out weighs any document anywhere , even executive orders by a president , if they go against the constitution they are null and void ... after reading the constitution I discovered more important than firearms , is the civic duty for each person to be part of a state militia , funded by congress , and armed ... it was meant to keep the federal government in check ... it reads, a militia being neccesary for a free state , the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed ... thats the second amendment , without it , you won't have the first ... and it ensures the third amendment and so on ... the founders knew what they were doing ...you can speak , be armed , and assemble ... after battles with England they knew full well what was essential for people to be free ... each state having a milita is needed for freedom, look at what the federal government does without opposition ... power back to the states , and the people , and the constitution ...

mosquito
11th November 2013, 03:00
I agree. For years I've seen that we are on a collision course, and with an ever increasing momentum. Voting for yet another man in a suit isn't going to change the situation. Neither is saying "Om".

Community, human interaction, mutual support, cooperation, friendship will help us survive whatever's coming. Learning real skills - how to make things, repair things. Things which 60 or so years ago everyone knew how to do, the skills which we are in danger of losing, there are many. Learn them, do them, (note to self :o).

AND - keep focussing on the outcome we want, on the world that really is possible.

Frederick Jackson
11th November 2013, 06:24
I am in complete agreement with Pollard's thesis on the inevitable near term collapse of human civilization. This inevitability has been clear to me for some time. Pollard does a beautiful job illustrating the nexus of the three E-systems (Energy/resource, Economic, Ecological) the interconnections and feedback loops and the utter futility of any real solutions given the nature of man and society.

Here is some wonderful synchronicity. It was just yesterday that I was thinking that there should be a thread on this subject and I was wondering how to start it. i cant imagine a better way than with Pollard's tract here posted by Northstar. It is beautifully written, cogent and amazingly complete.

But I might mention that the situation we are facing is even more dire than that implied by the nexus of the three Es. Other related factors and forces point us in the same direction. (Are you old enough to remember the Soviet's favorite phrase, "the constellation of forces"?). Global population growth alone given a stable 3 E nexus will strip the planet bare and lead to inevitable starvation and accompanying war and pestilence.

Western civilization now is totally dependent on mechanized agriculture and communication and transportation systems that are in turn dependent on a complex electrical and electronic infrastructure. A large CME (coronal mass ejection) or nuclear EMP weapon discharge could destroy this infrastructure. If this happens there will be mayhem. It appears we may be entering into an era magnetic pole shift during which we will be highly vulnerable to CMEs, as the protective magnetic shield of our planet will likely be very weak. Thus we might possibly add this fourth E to Pollard's 3 E nexus, this Electrical/electronic nexus.

And it can get worse. Global warming can lead to an ice age (as melt water shuts down the global "conveyor belt" in the North Atlantic). Agriculture that had moved to the far north now during the warming crisis will be destroyed in the new ice age. Another End Game. And there are other factors -- unnatural factorss -- to consider. For example a lot of information is now available on the web having to do with the New World Order and the Illuminati. There may be an intentional push to reduce the world population by 95% by a variety of means. And now consider the CERN Large Hadron Collider and the possibility instant planetary destruction. (This should have its own thread I warrant.)

But enough of this now. Pollard is so right in saying that it is fruitless to try to mitigate the mess, to try to slow down the juggernaut, this eleventh hour lemming's express. For it may all for the best that we go down quickly lest we strip the planet bare in the next few decades. WE ARE ALREADY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GREATEST SPECIES EXTINCTION SINCE THE PERMIAN EXTINCTION (I believe this is correct to say). In a few more years we will have wiped out our precious animal and plant life, life that has taken eons to evolve and to reach the present state of bewildering diversity and heart-breaking beauty. So whether the collapse is an inevitable consequence of "natural law" or whether it is to be brought about intentionally by a cabal of the "world elite" IT IS PERHAPS FOR THE BEST THAT WE DO GO DOWN QUICKLY as in a few more decades of "business as usual" we will have succeeded in destroying so much of our planetary inheritance forever.

I am in total agreement also with Pollard's "remedy". To live and love as best we can in every large and small way we can. And to prepare for the inevitable in the way he suggests, by cultivating community of shared values and responsibilities.

gripreaper
11th November 2013, 07:05
Sounds like a dystopian nightmare fit for a Hollywood movie script. The 3E's?

Economics: Fire the bastard elite central bankers and get rid of the fiat debt monetary system. Default and write off all the debt, start over.

Energy: Release the Tesla technology not based on the speed of light and the electric wires, but the abundant energy from the earth which travels 100,000 miles per second faster than the speed of light and is wireless.

Ecological: Once the two shifts above have occurred, the oil and electric grid monopolies will be dismantled and the ecology of the earth will heal. The basic commodities which the earth produces to sustain life, are renewable and with proper husbandry, in a paradigm of abundance, without the slave system of scarcity, debt and greed, will flourish and heal.

Is this utopian? Is our only choice to choose a dystopian or a utopian paradigm? Too many people with a human nature of destruction and greed, reproducing like rabbits? I don't think so.

I think it is a very small percentage, less than 5% who are psychopathic and are hell bent on ruining the earth. The other 95% are empathic and will rise to the occasion.

Frederick Jackson
11th November 2013, 08:13
And another E: Education of women in third world to immediately and drastically turn about the population growth curve. Thanks for the counterpoint to my dismal take. Yes I dream to of a world like this too. The "CLEAR COLLAPSE" I see is not 100 percent. Always some hope. Have you seen the Zeitgeist video?

Bubu
11th November 2013, 11:52
Thoughts? Impressions? Opinions?

Mass extinction? collapse of the system? Civilization's End?

Yaaaawnnn. Hmmmmmm makes me sleepy. I hope they come soon, make life even more exciting

eaglespirit
11th November 2013, 11:56
I think it is a very small percentage, less than 5% who are psychopathic and are hell bent on ruining the earth. The other 95% are empathic and will rise to the occasion.

...and so it is

northstar
11th November 2013, 17:45
I agree. For years I've seen that we are on a collision course, and with an ever increasing momentum. Voting for yet another man in a suit isn't going to change the situation. Neither is saying "Om".

Community, human interaction, mutual support, cooperation, friendship will help us survive whatever's coming. Learning real skills - how to make things, repair things. Things which 60 or so years ago everyone knew how to do, the skills which we are in danger of losing, there are many. Learn them, do them, (note to self :o).

AND - keep focussing on the outcome we want, on the world that really is possible.

Nicely put, mariposafe!!

northstar
11th November 2013, 17:50
Sounds like a dystopian nightmare fit for a Hollywood movie script. The 3E's?

Economics: Fire the bastard elite central bankers and get rid of the fiat debt monetary system. Default and write off all the debt, start over.

Energy: Release the Tesla technology not based on the speed of light and the electric wires, but the abundant energy from the earth which travels 100,000 miles per second faster than the speed of light.

Ecological: Once the two shifts above have occurred, the oil and electric grid monopolies will be dismantled and the ecology of the earth will heal. The basic commodities which the earth produces to sustain life, are renewable and with proper husbandry, in a paradigm of abundance, without the slave system of scarcity, debt and greed, will flourish and heal.

Is this utopian? Is our only choice to choose a dystopian or a utopian paradigm? Too many people with a human nature of destruction and greed, reproducing like rabbits? I don't think so.

I think it is a very small percentage, less than 5% who are psychopathic and are hell bent on ruining the earth. The other 95% are empathic and will rise to the occasion.


I love the solutions you offer but in order to implement those suggestions a significant percentage of humanity would have to shake off their paralyzing mind programming, wake up and take action. They would have to acknowledge their god-like status as creators and act as spiritual warriors to repudiate the life-destroying psychopaths who are getting fat from corrupt economic practices and predatory capitalism.

If even 10% of humanity were able to wake up now and shake off their mind programming your vision would become an instant reality gripreaper.