Free energy in minutes step by step (Video) [Archive] - The Project Avalon Community Forum

RMorgan

11th November 2013, 16:17

I see there are wires connected to the device, and we don't exactly see if those wires are connected to something or not...One wire, I believe the black one, is connected to something someone seems to be holding between his thumb and index finger, probably a battery.

So, right...Theoretically, a "free energy" device wouldn't be required to be connected to any external battery, since it would produce energy to feed itself plus extra energy to feed other equipment.

Honestly, as far as "free energy" youtube videos go, I've never seen one that was actually proven to be the real deal. All the ones I've seen are either rigged with hidden batteries or are results of misconceptions about the basic fundamentals of how electricity works.

I'll believe when I see a device being analyzed independently, showing proper input and output energy measurements, without any possibility of it being rigged.

It turned out that Keshe most likely is fraud...We still have the e-cat from Andrea Rossi, tough; He was producing promising results the last time I heard from him.

Raf.

Cristian

11th November 2013, 16:41

Keshe Foundation scam

Keshe Foundation is a scam organisation. Following are the signs of a scam organisation.

These are the sign of a scam by a con artist written by Phil Karn from another website. Keshe meets most of the criteria.
Some warning signs of crackpot or fraudulent inventions (special thanks to Phil Karn):

1. Extreme obsession with secrecy

fear of getting "ripped off"
refuses or delays patent application ("won't protect me")
e.g., Carl Tilley; Adam Clark; Madison Priest

some sincerely self-deluded inventors are exception;
Walker publishes enough to easily see mistakes

2. Inventor works alone, refuses technical help

e.g., Madison Priest, Adam Clark

sometimes, like-minded crackpots do join forces,
e.g, Walker and Feher

3. Invokes conspiracies to explain lack of progress

Joseph Newman and the USPTO
Carl Tilley
Adam Clark
many other examples

4. The claimed invention implies violations of firmly established mathematical or physical laws

the inventor may or may not directly admit this, or even understand it
the inventor may claim that existing laws are correct but widely "misunderstood"; naturally, only he understands them correctly

e.g.,
perpetual motion or "overunity" (Tilley, Newman, many others)
high speed modems operating in ultra-narrow bandwidths (Walker, Feher)
- walker claims Shannon is correct but "misunderstood"
full motion, high resolution video in dialup phone lines (Adam Clark, Madison Priest, Pixelon)
reactionless space drives

5. Claims discovery of new physical theories, or comprehensive "theories of everything"

- or asserts existing, accepted theories are "wrong"
- all without proof

6. An unusually long gestation period without commercialization

-frequently promises working device "in a few months"
-deadlines always missed

e.g.,
Dennis Lee's free electricity machine
Newman's motor since early 1980s
Lutec 1000
VMSK and related schemes under development since 1985; no
commercial deployment of any scheme
"Adam's Platform" since 1998

7. Lack of formal education in relevant field

-especially when combined with frequent potshots at the "establishment"

-but sometimes outsiders *do* make significant contributions;
e.g., turbo coding came from outside the traditional coding
community. Claims were quickly and widely verified

8. Pursuit of funding from unconventional sources

-individuals, especially the elderly with large life savings
-church groups, especially fundamentalist
-wealthy people lacking education in subject field
-funding sources with in-house expertise are carefully avoided
(e.g. large technology corporations and hi-tech VCs)

e.g., Dennis Lee, Carl Tilley

8. Repeated pattern of touting one design and then abandoning it in
favor of a new one when critics show it cannot work ("bait and switch")

e.g., Walker's VPSK, then VMSK, then MSB, etc, etc

9. Appeals to religion or "higher power"

especially when seeking funding from religious people or groups we humans "deserve" this invention, etc.

10. Heavy marketing emphasis on wonderful applications of device, carefully avoiding question of whether the device actually works

e.g.,
VMSK would greatly increase capacity of RF spectrum
overunity devices would cure pollution, stop oil wars
Adam Platform would allow many more video applications
Dennis Lee would eliminate electric companies...

More (http://keshefoundationscam.blogspot.ro/2012/01/keshe-foundation-scam.html)

RMorgan

11th November 2013, 17:03

Hey Cristian,

I avoid using the above posted parameters to determine if someone is a fraud or not.

We know that many innovative inventors were indeed framed and marginalized by the current powers, including Tesla himself and many others.

Regarding free energy devices, I believe it's possible to develop something close in terms of efficiency, but so far, I've never seen any actual "free energy" device that could really be independently proven to work.

That's it...It's a fairly practical situation. Either it works or not. If it contains instructions, like many of those youtube "free energy" devices do, either people can reproduce it and achieve genuine measurable results or not...There's not any space for speculation.

As for Keshe, everything actually indicates he's a fraud indeed...He's in this business for many years, has missed dozens of critical deadlines to publicly demonstrate his devices along the years, and hasn't produced any concrete evidence about his work as well, aside from his "coke bottle plasma generator", which is nothing more than a primitive chemical battery, no plasma involved at all...He's also famous for selling very expensive tickets for moon and mars trips, that allegedly would take place in 2015, using his technology...Anyway, he's got all the major characteristics of a snake oil salesman.

Andrea Rossi and his e-cat device, so far, have shown promising results. The device is incomplete for now, but it was tested independently and achieved promising results...Time will tell if he's the real deal or not, anyway. He's a low profile guy and he isn't selling anything in advance or asking for donations, which is a good thing.

I'm not sure if we'll ever be able to produce literal "free energy" devices, but we will surely produce energy generation devices that are much more efficient than the current ones, if we have enough time.

Raf.

Mu2143

11th November 2013, 17:36

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RMorgan

11th November 2013, 17:47

If a permanent magnet would be a battery you would have unlimited amount of energy with limited max out putcapacity duhh

Magnets are not batteries....There's no if.

As far as I have investigated this subject, I've never seen any Bedini/Magnetic motor device that actually worked fully independently from external energy sources, as they are supposed to.

Besides, natural/permanent magnets are very limited in strength...For any real practical energy generation situation, electromagnets are required and they are very inefficient energetically.

Anyway, room temperature superconductors are the key to energy efficiency...I believe one day someone will find out how to make them possible, and, from there, we'll be able to develop very efficient energy generation devices.

Other state-of-the-art materials, like Graphene, are showing very promising results in terms of efficiency.

Thorium is a big promise for much safer and efficient nuclear energy applications, as well.

shadowstalker

11th November 2013, 17:54

I don't agree with the list that claims it would be a scam, not only is it General and blanket, but it takes full control of free thinking. and common sense whatever,whatever..

I am just going to keep this short and sweet.

In light of ppl getting killed these days including Tesla. then ya why not work alone.
In light of patents either not being excepted, or just plain sequestered to be used underground or what not.
Funding? well the Gov. isn't gonna give it to anyone for such a thing especially if it actually work.
Inventions get stolen all the time so I don't blame any of them for keeping it to them self till last minute.

That's just for starter do the rest on your own..
The list you gave in of it's self is a con to prevent folks from moving forward and others from excepting anything real.

Common sense just walk out the door for anyone that believes that list. Why do I believe that? because that list was design for ppl who do not think things through, and or do not believe that any conspiracy could ever happen (denial) and on down the line..
Sorry just my humble personal knowledge and my two cents

Cristian

11th November 2013, 18:11

Hey shadow,

Sometimes I'm too tired to write what I want to express- in english that is- that's when I use the copy/paste . I admit I would had written that post a bit different myself.

Second, I dislike the "debunker" role. Is not my thing really. But what I observed, in the Avalon boat, there are way to many people standing on one side. I instinctively place myself on the other side...for the much needed balance.
Trust me, I would absolutely love a good , documented, free energy device build-up. Something coherent , with well defined steps. With well defined measurements. I see very little of this kind in the alternative community. :(

shadowstalker

11th November 2013, 18:27

I agree with that totally, but how are things going to move forward, with what little is accessed to us to begin with..
And supporting a list like that, helps prevent all possibles from moving forward.

It is the same type of list that claims conspiracy theorists are nut bars or unpatriotic or terrorists,(you pic)

How many youtube vids have been removed do to so called third party objection.
You can start with this.
The reason why most folks don't see that happening is because they missed the timing in it and refuse that it was up because they never experienced that vid. but some have gotten smart and re-post what they have found, one by one things get censored and it is literally a race to fine it again..

Never through out the baby with the bath water, it kills the baby and prevents humanity from moving forward (on so many levels) to a better light.

Mu2143

11th November 2013, 18:27

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Cristian

11th November 2013, 18:42

Shadow...you know I like you and things you post.

But please explain why do you thanked Mu for his last phrase : "Everything is energy and the difference between a battery and a magnet is the magnet does not run out of energy"

Everything is energy -- true. But the second part of his statement just doesen't make any sense...

shadowstalker

11th November 2013, 18:51

I probably read that wrong as I am dyslexic, and SOMETIMES i miss words your right magnets run out.. so I guess I should take a way that thanks ...lol

@Mu
Cristian is right you need to rethink your statement. magnets do tend to run out, it may take a while but they do loose capacity in magnetism after a while,,

Cristian

11th November 2013, 19:05

Mu2143

11th November 2013, 19:17

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RMorgan

11th November 2013, 19:34

Even if we had magnets that didnt run out in time...by themselves magnets ar unable to produce energy. A conductor , a coil placed in a rotating magnetic field will turn out an electric curent...

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another of my copy/paste threads : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62340-Maxwell-s-equations-explained

You gotta be kidding me ,they don't produce energy. I can't give side to blind.
But If a magnet did not had any energy it would not stick to any metal and since it does it produces energy
and since it require energy to separate the magnet from a piece of metal it does does it =)

Brother,

We're talking about electric energy here.

Magnets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet) produce magnetic fields. Magnetic energy is not electric energy, just like the wind used to turn the turbines in aeolic power plants isn't electric energy, and the river used to produce energy in hydroelectric power plants isn't electric energy, and so on...

A magnetic filed can be used to produce electric current, but you must have an external force (wind, river, pressurized vapor, sea currents, etc...)to spin the alternator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternator) fast enough to produce current, converting mechanical energy to electrical energy.

Have in mind that, since we're talking about free energy devices, we're talking about devices able to generate more electric energy than they consume.

That's it, mate.

Nick Matkin

11th November 2013, 19:43

Everything is energy and the difference between a battery and a magnet is the magnet does not run out of energy

Unfortunately that isn't true. A magnet will become demagnetised in time, especially if it is required to do any 'work'.

So even if it were possible to make a rotating device out of permanent magnets ('permanent' means not electro-magnets!), and if it were possible to fix this to a generator to generate significant amounts of electricity, the only way it would be worth doing is if the electricity you generated was worth more than the magnets each time you come to replace them, because you'll have to replace them eventually, they will become demagnetised.

I agree our understanding of physics is incomplete, and 'free' energy may be possible one day. But does anyone really think that in all the physics labs in all the universities all over the world over the past 100 years, no band of bright, fearless students have worked on this? Have they all been scared into submission? I suspect many maverick physics students have spent thousands of hours but not got anywhere. I think they'd surely release it onto he world with a bang if they had!

Remember the 'cold fusion' reports in 1989 by Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann? The world really got exited about that. Hundreds if not thousands of physics students all over the world tried to reproduce the results for months and months. Did the 'Powers That Be' attempt to stop them? Were media reports of this work suppressed? Not to my knowledge.

Perhaps there were a few oil barons sleeping uneasily for a while, until they realised it was a false alarm!

Some of the free-energy experiments say they'll release the plans to the world without payment for the good of mankind. There are plenty of well-organised internet groups who could take charge of the release of this information. I haven't seen any released info yet...

Is anyone at all making legitimate money out of this - anywhere?

I know this may be a 'hot-button' issue, but most proponents don't even understand Ohms Law.

Nick

Mu2143

11th November 2013, 19:44

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RMorgan

11th November 2013, 19:50

If your so convinced that it does not work ,why don't you BUILD it your self to disproof it or proof its wrong!!!!

Better yet.

Since you're so convinced that the device from the video works, why don't you build yourself one and prove us it does work?

The burden of proof is up to the one trying to prove something, not the contrary.

Go on, follow the "step by step" video and see if it works...There are hundreds of such videos on youtube...Go on, see if you'll have success with any of them.

Rocky_Shorz

11th November 2013, 19:56

RMorgan

11th November 2013, 20:47

hey Mu,

if people don't understand all books on electronics are lies there is one magnetic particle one side positive the other negative, setting up a magent correctly draws the particles in and allows it to be drawn from the other side...

Oh...Sure...I get it.

It's all wrong, all lies, right?

That's why your computer isn't working right now and your TV, your refrigerator, your air-conditioner aren't working as well.

Maybe that's why we're in the dark, because, since it's all wrong and everything regarding this subject is a lie, there isn't any energy being produced in your local power-plant, and since there isn't any energy being produced right now, the lamps in your home are not working as well, because it's all a lie...

Your car isn't working as well, since its electronic components are all wrong, all lies as well.

Cell-phones, satellites, servers aren't working as well...It's all based on utter lies, after all...Even internet isn't working as well...

Let alone hospitals...All those people hooked to those electronic equipment are dead, because it's all a lie and they don't work as well...

How about all those wires and poles out there? They are all part of psy-ops to make our cities uglier! They are useless junk...

I see...Those books and everything we know about electricity is wrong.

Thankfully, you know everything is wrong, and why, so you can save us and write a paradigm shifting book explaining how to make it right.

You could start it in this thread. Explain how everything we know is wrong, why, and what you can do to fix all this generalized wrongness.

How didn't I realize I was so ignorant before? It's so obvious that everything we know about physics and electronics is so wrong! It's all lies! Please, enlighten us! Make us see the light!

Nick Matkin

11th November 2013, 20:47

I appreciate that the video was posted in good faith, but some alarm bells should be ringing.

Lots of pictures of an induction motor armature are not helpful
There is no info about the transistor - NPN or PNP would be a start
The variable resistor has no value given
There should be a circuit diagram at least with how the parts are connected. This is not at all clear from any of the shots.
There's not even any effort to try and hide the wires going out of shot!
And what's the meter actually reading?

This is one of the least convincing 'free energy' videos I have seen. Presumably designed to impress anyone who doesn't understand basic electronics (and that's most people), but who want to think there's a huge conspiracy. The trouble is if it's that easy, it's something you'd make in school physics lessons.

Nick

Rocky_Shorz

12th November 2013, 00:02

LOL, LOVE DEBUKERS PROGRAMMED TO GIVE A RESPONSE,

Here at Avalon we don't debunk out of ignorance of comparing knowns vs realities

RMorgan

12th November 2013, 10:56

LOL, LOVE DEBUKERS PROGRAMMED TO GIVE A RESPONSE,

Here at Avalon we don't debunk out of ignorance of comparing knowns vs realities

Sorry Rocky...

I wasn't the one who evoked the classic "everything in those books is wrong" fallacy in about thirty seconds...You know, this is an all time classic reply that someone gives to someone else when he wants to sound smart but have no idea about what he's talking about.

My point is that most scientific theories end up being used in real life applications, and this is the ultimate validation that such theories are correct, otherwise these applications wouldn't work.

If, like you say, everything in the electronics books was wrong, all things electronic wouldn't work as they do. It's as simple as that.

So, I'd say that you're definitively wrong and you're trying to make yourself right by calling me a programmed debunker, which wouldn't work, of course, since the only way to show you're right is by substantiating your argument, not by calling me whatever you want to call me.

To sum up, if you're going to throw that "everything is wrong" card, you'd better be ready to substantiate it, because it's a damn big claim...I'd risk to say it's far bigger than your own intellect could possibly handle in one lifetime.

So, tell me Rocky...If you're so sure that everything regarding this subject is wrong, you must have good reasons for that...I'm all ears...If you can't substantiate your claim, then you should rethink your idea about who's programmed, better yet, conditioned, to give flimsy, single sentenced, non-constructive but utterly assertive replies.

Pigeon chess, mate...It's the perfect definition for what you're trying to do here. Google it, if you don't know what it is.

Anyway, I wouldn't usually make such a direct reply, but given the tone of your previous post, I reserved myself the right to do so.

Looking forward to read your arguments...

Raf.

Anchor

12th November 2013, 11:49

Presumably designed to impress anyone who doesn't understand basic electronics (and that's most people), but who want to think there's a huge conspiracy.

But there is a huge conspiracy and that is why you have not seen the real videos ;)

Nick Matkin

12th November 2013, 12:26

One of the craziest energy conspiracies along these lines I ever read was by some idiot who claimed (not on this forum I don't think...) that ALL power companies, electrical engineers and most politicians were in a major cover up.

The guy had worked out that the mains supply to his home was always 120 volts whatever equipment he used in the house. He also realised that the current entering the house was the same as that leaving. It varied, depending on what he had operating, but what entered always equalled what left, therefore he wasn't using anything up and it was just one huge conspiracy to steal money.

Those who pointed out the basic laws of physics to him were accused of being part of the conspiracy, and anyway he claimed the laws were 'wrong'.

That's an extreme case, but it illustrates the mentality of so many who look at the videos (the ones that are not suppressed!) and shout "PROOF!" without understanding how they've been hoodwinked.

If there's anyone who believes any of these machines work, just get someone who knows the relationship between volts, amps and watts (and knows how to measure each) to give it a good going over before you invest your life savings...

Nick

SilentFeathers

12th November 2013, 12:34

RMorgan

12th November 2013, 13:13

Personally I think that regardless of what type or kind of energy that is miraculously discovered to solve the energy problems of today, that it is basically ludicrous to think that it'll be "free" in this collective mentality that we are in today and under the ridiculous current systems in place.

Sure. I agree.

Just remember the begining of the nuclear reactors development.

Most people thought they would they their own nuclear reactors at home, and everything else would be nuclear as well.

Of course, it didn't turn out as they thought.

Lets consider that someone invents a real cold fusion process. That's essentially a free energy process.

It's naive to believe that everybody will then have a cold fusion reactor at home...Anything that produces that amount of energy, can be deadly dangerous.

Whatever free energy device you can possibly imagine to be feasible in the future, could potentially be used for evil purposes as well.

So, lets say cold fusion is implemented...A major company would be responsible for it, either private or public. It would have a structure, employees and everything else, internal and external (grid) maintenance costs just like a regular nuclear energy power plant administration company does.

All the costs would have to be passed to the consumers, of course, including the company's profit, since we're thinking about the near future, where presumably the system in charge would still be capitalism.

Of course, those financial costs would be much smaller, but they wouldn't be zero/free.

Anyway, the environmental benefits of free energy, or at least something close to it, would be enormous, considering that more efficient kinds of energy generation would most probably be proportionally cleaner.

Usually, people confuse the "free" word, in free energy, as a synonymous of financial cost, which is not the case. The "free" word only implies that such devices would produce more energy than they consume, thus the "free" denomination is used.

Financially, we have no idea how much such devices, if they're ever invented, would cost to be implemented in global scale, specially in the first decades after its implementation...After a while, the costs would diminish considerably, but there would still be energy bills to pay, most likely.

As you said, the dominant economical/political system is a major variable. If global "free energy" reactors are hypothetically implemented right now, most probably the companies in charge of them would simply gigantically raise their profit margins and people's energy bills would just slightly decrease.

Raf.

SilentFeathers

12th November 2013, 13:30

I hear ya Raf...

The "free" word has pulled the whole idea in to several rabbit holes for sure.

They likely already have an alternative or solution to oil and nuclear energy but will not introduce it, too many oil barons in high places right now :)

Cristian

12th November 2013, 13:47

If one thinks about it, free energy can be so, so much more.

Let’s assume we can come up with a device that outputs more energy then input.

Fast forward 1 million years into the future.

We will become a very advanced civilization able to generate an infinite number of new Universes!

Why? Because energy can be translated into mass. Hence new infinite energy…new infinite mass created.

So maybe we just can’t create an infinite number of new Universes. That equals no free energy…ever!

Also…

The first law of thermodynamics is a version of the law of conservation of energy, adapted for thermodynamic systems. The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed

Cristian

12th November 2013, 14:39

......
The stars and Galaxies died and snuffed out, and space grew black after ten trillion years
of running down.
One by one Man fused with AC, each physical body losing its mental identity in a
manner that was somehow not a loss but a gain.

Man's last mind paused before fusion, looking over a space that included nothing but the
dregs of one last dark star and nothing besides but incredibly thin matter, agitated
randomly by the tag ends of heat wearing out, asymptotically, to the absolute zero.
Man said, "AC, is this the end? Can this chaos not be reversed into the Universe once
more? Can that not be done?"

AC said, "THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL
ANSWER."

Man's last mind fused and only AC existed -- and that in hyperspace.

Matter and energy had ended and with it space and time. Even AC existed only for the
sake of the one last question that it had never answered from the time a half-drunken
computer [technician] ten trillion years before had asked the question of a computer that
was to AC far less than was a man to Man.

All other questions had been answered, and until this last question was answered also,
AC might not release his consciousness.
All collected data had come to a final end. Nothing was left to be collected.
But all collected data had yet to be completely correlated and put together in all possible
relationships.

A timeless interval was spent in doing that.

And it came to pass that AC learned how to reverse the direction of entropy.
But there was now no man to whom AC might give the answer of the last question. No
matter. The answer -- by demonstration -- would take care of that, too.
For another timeless interval, AC thought how best to do this. Carefully, AC organized
the program.
The consciousness of AC encompassed all of what had once been a Universe and
brooded over what was now Chaos. Step by step, it must be done.

And AC said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"

And there was light --

Isaac Asimov - The Last Question

Strat

12th November 2013, 15:59

If there's anyone who believes any of these machines work, just get someone who knows the relationship between volts, amps and watts (and knows how to measure each) to give it a good going over before you invest your life savings...

Hit the nail on the head my friend.

For what it's worth, here is my 2 cents:

As with all things, approach this topic with an open mind. That in itself can be difficult because we're knowledgeable folks and we are aware how companies screw folks in the past and present (I think Betchel takes the cake). So in general, folks around here are quick to jump to the "it's all lies" approach. Can't do that though. Well you can, but it doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Secondly, science isn't a tool reserved solely to universities and those who have some degree of an academic pedigree. The scientific process is a freakishly powerful tool/approach to understand the world around us. We all can wield this tool if we chose to.

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Regarding free energy; I don't see that ever happening. Ever. Nothing is free, it's one of the patterns of life that doesn't seem to go away. That being said, I do believe in freakishly efficient and practically free energy. Kinda getting into semantics though.

I would just encourage everyone to pick up a book on basic electronics, how the systems work, etc. In like a week you'd be able to wire your own circuits, test them, etc.

Learning how to work a meter can be fun in some sense. (Multi)Meters can be picked up anywhere and the basic ones are cheap. From there you can go around your house testing voltages, check your car, etc.

Think of the meter like a tape measure for electronics: It comes in handy for virtually everything.

If someone doesn't agree with what I say here then please point it out. I think a lot of folks believe electronics is bs or whatever but the point of this forum is to clear up these matters.

Rocky_Shorz

13th November 2013, 08:07

Here at Avalon we don't debunk out of ignorance of comparing knowns vs realities

So, tell me Rocky...If you're so sure that everything regarding this subject is wrong, you must have good reasons for that...I'm all ears...

Raf.

Avalon is where Science and Spirituality meet...

The reason Tesla wanted DC voltage for the world is because of what he learned about electricity, but he was crushed by JP Morgan and they forced the world forward on AC...

if you want to see it in black and white, you won't...

I'm not saying anything is different the way they work, I'm just saying electrons and protons are the same thing, just pointed the opposite direction as it passed the instrument detecting their charge...

the DC appliance draws it down the line, pulled along by magnetic attraction of opposite poles... VS AC which is pushed, the slight change is how the wind powered auto's generator works...

packing for Colorado, when I get online out there I'll take some time to try and explain it in better details...

ps I'm an electrical engineer, and what I have learned recently puts to shame everything we've been taught...

Cristian

13th November 2013, 13:31

Hi Rocky ,

You wrote

he was crushed by JP Morgan and they forced the world forward on AC.

What do you mean by that. We are using both AC and DC depending on the device or application.

I'm just saying electrons and protons are the same thing, just pointed the opposite direction

That's a very big step from the scientific consensus that electrons are A LOT smaller then protons. Can you please explain more?

Protons and neutrons have nearly the same mass while electrons are much less massive. If we assume that a neutron has a mass of 1, then the relative masses are:

Neutron = 1
Proton = 0.99862349
Electron = 0.00054386734
http://education.jlab.org/qa/particlemass_02.html

Thanks

Strat

13th November 2013, 15:46

Hey Rocky. If you are an electrical engineer then you definitely got me beat. I really look forward to your explanations. I have zero problem admitting when I'm wrong. I'm just here to learn.

if people don't understand all books on electronics are lies

^I am assuming you didn't mean this literally. You should clear this up because keep in mind most folks don't know the difference of watts, volts, amps or ohms.

Also curious what you mean by:

AC which is pushed, the slight change is how the wind powered auto's generator works...

Do you mean the old cars which had generators before switching to alternators? Surely there is a miscommunication here, I can't imagine wind spinning a car's generator. I always assumed they'd be hooked up with a belt, like an alternator. I've never worked on one of those old beasts so I don't know.

Man would I love to get my hands on one of those though!!

Rocky_Shorz

13th November 2013, 16:22

Hey Rocky. If you are an electrical engineer then you definitely got me beat. I really look forward to your explanations. I have zero problem admitting when I'm wrong. I'm just here to learn.

if people don't understand all books on electronics are lies

Also curious what you mean by:

AC which is pushed, the slight change is how the wind powered auto's generator works...

Do you mean the old cars which had generators before switching to alternators? Surely there is a miscommunication here, I can't imagine wind spinning a car's generator. I always assumed they'd be hooked up with a belt, like an alternator. I've never worked on one of those old beasts so I don't know.

Man would I love to get my hands on one of those though!!

the cars wheels are the "engine" the wind generator captures the wind to power the car, the faster you go the higher the voltage created to power the wheels

they designed the car to draw the wind in without creating a bubble out in front of it.

now when I first had the dream, was long before Avalon, and I thought I was looking into the future, but since meeting Onyx and knowing we aren't alone, it might have been a different planet where people actually believe poisoning their world for greed never happened...

the cities were huge, and wilderness started at the edge of the city.

pure Utopia

Rocky_Shorz

13th November 2013, 16:42

Cristian

13th November 2013, 17:06

Holy smoke!
ok....wow!.... I'm officialy not posting in this thread anymore O_o

Nick Matkin

13th November 2013, 20:00

Oh dear, such confusion...

Point of fact: Tesla proposed AC he wanted AC. Look up the Tesla coil, it demonstrates superbly how AC can do great stuff. (BTW, it's not a wonder device as proposed by those who don't understand it; it's an open resonant transformer. Clever, but nothing out of this world.)

Edison wanted DC, he didn't understand how AC would be advantageous.

AC is now used universally for power distribution, not in appliances. Yes, some devices will work on AC or DC mains, but hardly any, just old incandescent light bulbs, electric heaters/ovens. But all electronic appliances rectify the mains to various DC voltages - most people posting here should know that. Most motors are designed to operate only on AC mains, but you can have ones that run on DC, or either.

Photo cells generate DC, and so do wind turbines. Photo cells because of physics and wind turbines so they don't have to be synchronised to the mains.

Are there no Project Avalon members with some basic engineering knowledge? Where are they all? Or is someone just trying to wind me up?

Nick

Positive Vibe Merchant

13th November 2013, 21:50

I am a complete novice when it comes to electronics and all things electrical. Terrible at building things, but this is quite an interesting topic. I will be watching :)

Anchor

13th November 2013, 22:07

Are there no Project Avalon members with some basic engineering knowledge? Where are they all? Or is someone just trying to wind me up?

They are here, they just know a minefield when they see one :)

Strat

13th November 2013, 22:51

the cars wheels are the "engine" the wind generator captures the wind to power the car, the faster you go the higher the voltage created to power the wheels

Links?

Are there no Project Avalon members with some basic engineering knowledge? Where are they all? Or is someone just trying to wind me up?

They are here, they just know a minefield when they see one :)

Like a gold mine and minefield wrapped up in one. Must proceed cautiously.

Rocky_Shorz

13th November 2013, 23:28

Siemens has actually been working with engines built into the wheels, so part of the process has already been done...

where we work with electronics with set voltages, this vehicle doesn't as I said there are many things I am learning that goes against much of what we've been taught about electronics and power... think of a hand powered drill with a battery from 12V to 500V...

very foreign...

Rocky_Shorz

14th November 2013, 00:05

TPP is passing, which means US will have control on free energy inventions down in Australia...

it was the one place advancing clean energy...

oil men are taking over down under...

where's Jack...

Strat

14th November 2013, 15:16

Like a gold mine and minefield wrapped up in one. Must proceed cautiously.

I think this joke flew over everyone's head. Gonna drop the hammer on this thread later today after I finish the daily rounds. I was going to draw this out but if folks really are watching this thread to gain knowledge then I feel responsible to educate. Stay tuned.

Rocky understand I'm not here to fight with you. I've been trained in auto mechanics (which includes electrical systems -OBD systems and such) and I want to see if everything I've been taught is a lie. I don't think it is. I've been fixing my own vehicles for years so I can't imagine it works when it's a lie.

Rocky_Shorz

14th November 2013, 16:47

what you've been taught works, but it isn't all the truth, only what they decided to teach us, Tesla's most important work was buried, so yes the books need to be written including the other side of the truths that bankers don't want.

I stepped in this thread because I am tired of watching those who feel they are experts, shutting down others trying to learn about free energy.

the most amazing inventions in the world weren't made by those who were experts, they were made by those who didn't understand they were impossible...

impossible closes the book on learning, this is Avalon where none of us have all the answers, but if someone shows they took a magnet and attach a light bulb and it lights, that is free energy, so let them continue to explore.

look up a PMA generator hollow it out, put the mechanics on the outside with no shaft, the two parts float in a magnetic field allowing for almost no drag.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE0NVgxNTM0/$(KGrHqF,!lsE9JRmSbyyBPvw(JQ5YQ~~60_57.JPG

my life was destroyed over this, at Homeland Security Level when I asked for grant money...

why would they go to that trouble if there was no truth behind what I want to build for the world to end nukes...

because Free Energy is illegal in America, and now soon with the new agreement, the world...

this is just one that was handy on eBay for a quick info shot, remove the voltage regulator and the curve doesn't happen just a straight upward line. Voltage and amps rise together...

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Missouri-Super-Dual-General-Wind-Turbine-24-48volt-11-Blade-AC-DC-output-USA-/00/s/NTI3WDUxMQ==/z/0XoAAOxywbJSUNIB/$T2eC16hHJF0FFZdOSPBkBSUNI!hUS!~~60_3.JPG

and no I didn't want to fight anyone here, my frustration is years old and not related to any of you...

it is with the system that is destroying our world...

Rocky_Shorz

14th November 2013, 17:08

sail boats with wheels are illegal to use on roadways because it uses free energy...

you can say but wait we understand the energy from wind, it is part of our world...

if bankers don't make money on it, it is free... ;)

if boats suddenly appeared on the road, they would change books to say it isn't possible to power your boat with wind...

understanding we are living in an energy environment that is invisible, but just like wind, it is there for the taking. I read somewhere there are 70 amps of power in each square foot around us...

can you feel it? can you touch it? can you smell it?

then it must not be there, my electronics book didn't mention it at all, so it doesn't exist... ;)

Rocky_Shorz

14th November 2013, 17:21

Like a gold mine and minefield wrapped up in one. Must proceed cautiously.

.

it wasn't a joke, what I just shared is a minefield that would destroy the system bankers have created...

but it would be the greatest gold mine ever discovered for this world if those in control would just let it happen...

Rocky_Shorz

14th November 2013, 17:35

now to take it beyond perpetual, imagine having a massive battery in the car, and once the vehicle is up to speed, it draws from those 70 amps to maintain speed, (the void is instantly refilled) the wind energy is being captured and stored in the battery, you pull into work or home and plug it in to discharge the battery feeding the grid instead of drawing from it...

be careful if you decide to make a home project, this causes lightening strikes if not grounded properly, you are working with that level of power, and in your home, it's friggen nuts... poor stereo... ;)

It's time to move beyond a Perpetual world...

Rocky_Shorz

14th November 2013, 17:44

and yes, you could put this system into your favorite gas powered vehicle with a big battery, pop out the headlamps (or fog lamps for a smaller system.) if the wind dynamics are right vent the system downward using a spoiler to draw the wind through and prevent the bubble in front of the car from building up a wind block. in the perfectly aerodynamic vehicle, the downward wind of the spoiler lifts the weight of the car making it even more efficient...

Rocky_Shorz

14th November 2013, 18:09

it only takes Ford 47 HP to move a pretty heavy car electrically up to 65 MPH with good acceleration, so the same could be done with half that and some patience...

if you have a 27 volt hand held saw that spins at 2-3500 RPMs, you can make a loop from the PMA wind generator back to the saw(a 24 volt system will feed it), attach it to the shaft secure it and spin it up (most garbage disposals are a PMA generator if you have an old one laying around...) if the saw can turn it, it should work to at least show you the concept

remember about the grounding, attach a meter to it... ground it to a wall outlet black wire, that has other lights stereos or anything else running or on...

now imagine turning that shaft with zero drag (floating in a magnetic field, all the way up to 10,000 RPM or 25,000 RPM

so much energy is being drawn in that the flow almost seems to shimmer...

maybe, sucking enough energy in at once, opens the window for a worm hole

isn't that really what a black hole is doing?

what's on the other side? a clean world in another dimension using the energy we aren't? ;)

Nick Matkin

14th November 2013, 22:21

sail boats with wheels are illegal to use on roadways because it uses free energy...

I'd expect they are banned because they are difficult to manoeuvre and unstable, and probably don't work very well in cities with lots of tall buildings.

In Europe we must live in some sort of Utopia fantasy land because here, generating your own power from wind, solar, etc., is not only encouraged, but the governments PAY people to do this! Not just pay, but at about twice the kWh consumer rate. So all this stuff about the government banning it doesn't apply to wind and solar power. How can that be? Perhaps we're operating beyond the influence of TPTB?

How come all the international cold-fusion experiments weren't outlawed by TPTB? If free energy is as easy to produce as Youtube leads us to believe, how come some maverick physics students haven't become famous by 'discovering' it? How come no Indian or Chinese entrepreneur has used this technology to light and power their village? How come regimes like North Korea, Iran or even Cuba haven't stolen/discovered the technology to use against their enemies?

Looks like I'm being naive here, but how come a free energy machine isn't demonstrated on local media? It'll soon attract interest from local universities, and then wider interest - then the "cat's out of the bag..."

There is such a huge demand across the developing world for energy, I really can't believe the this has been suppressed in every corner of every country on every continent!

Exasperated,

Nick

Rocky_Shorz

14th November 2013, 22:40

well Nick, that's why I spend the time every time one of these threads open to share goals for a future.

did you know it takes a year and a half of use to pay for the fuel used to build a solar panel?
major windfarms are growing, but need continuous supervision so keep them running, I'm never drove by palm springs without noticing a quarter of the windmills out of service... The cost of continuous repairs is enormous, as long as that continues it really isn't free.

what percentage of energy is being created by clean energy in the UK?

cold fusion is coming first, the rest will follow...

the countries you mention are under Cabal control, they are allowing clean energy to make it seem like the governments are trying, but it is bunk...

do you know how much gas/oil go into production of electricity each day to cover world demands?

what if that turned to 0?

extreme surplus, prices would crash, you couldn't give barrels away of the dirty stuff...

oil men make money on oil, but most have switched over into water table control...

and to attack competitors they drill around them with fracking to spoil their source...

fracking is out of control, allowing electric vehicles on the road, each one uses more energy each day than a home...

by sucking down energy, more oil needs to be burned to prevent shortages of electricity, it is having the opposite affect than those buying them are trying for...

at least you are understanding now, what I am trying to share...

Eram

15th November 2013, 01:33

sail boats with wheels are illegal to use on roadways because it uses free energy...

In Europe we must live in some sort of Utopia fantasy land because here, generating your own power from wind, solar, etc., is not only encouraged, but the governments PAY people to do this! Not just pay, but at about twice the kWh consumer rate. So all this stuff about the government banning it doesn't apply to wind and solar power. How can that be? Perhaps we're operating beyond the influence of TPTB?

Don't get your hopes up too much Nick.

Wind and solar energy will never be the answer and the European nations know this.
They both lack the quality of a stable steady flew of outcome and do not have the ability to act on demand.
Also using storage in the form of batteries will not do on a large scale.
Apart from that, they both need much to much room and are very costly for what they poor out in energy at the other end.

This will not be the answer to the energy demand of the people.
The numbers have been done and it has shown to be fantasy.

The oil companies know this all too well and make good public relations with their advertising to invest in wind and solar energy.

Have you ever seen them do it on sources that would be the answer to the energy demand of the world like Thorium based nuclear reactors (Liquid fluoride thorium reactor)?
Apparently:

they are easy to build
low in cost
low cost to mine the thorium
there is plenty thorium on the planet to last forever (we will not run out of it)
there is no nuclear waste as is with current nuclear plants
all nuclear waste that now exists can be used up in those thorium plants
and many more advantages

Oil companies know about this too, but they don't advertise with it as a alternative for fossile fuels because they know all too well that it would be the end of them soon.

China is currently developing a liquid fluoride thorium reactor.
http://nucleargreen.blogspot.be/2011/01/china-starts-lftr-development-project.html

hurray!

Rocky_Shorz

15th November 2013, 02:08

thorium based molten salt nuclear system, isn't this the same system they need to reuse the billions of spent fuel rods?

can anyone find more details and see if GE is helping build their system?

Rocky_Shorz

15th November 2013, 02:17

Led by Dr. Jiang Mianheng, a graduate of Drexel University in electrical engineering, the thorium MSR efforts aims not only to develop the technology but to secure intellectual property rights to its implementation... link (http://energyfromthorium.com/2011/01/30/china-initiates-tmsr/)

so GE who has had the technology to build these plants is losing it to China because it's illegal for them to move forward in America... great job oil Dorks...

that's almost as good as Toyota buying oldsmobile for $5000 because a license was never renewed... GM bonehead mistake...

I guess investing in a 2 letter company beginning with a G isn't for their intelligence...