Being swept over, end of reason

[Flash]

Lilou interviews Carolyn Myss - always a mystical experience...

cannot reason with what is happening - we are being nuked - this is what Fukushima is about

We cannot find solutions through reasons; it is end of the age of reason, the beginning of the age of the new barbarians

A preparations for revolt is expected - they expect it - the uprising of the general global village is going to happen, because the division of power reaches a polar opposite to such an extent that it will snap

And people thinking that positive spiritual thinking is sufficient are completely misguided

She speak of clandestine groups - I must say that Lilou is missing it somewhat, for the first time (she is usually a good interviewer) by cutting Carolyn train of thought. She took her off the information about what is happening globally and brought her back to the personnal.

I wish Carolyn would have talked more about what is happening in the world, to the planet and ourselves, because not only is she a mystic, but also a spiritual clearvoyant.

Rededining of God was hijacked by the mental world, not different than what the theologians did - whomever took on the task of designing what the world is.

We tossed the God of philosophy and became much more emotionals and ressuscitated a God of Healing and we merged spirituality with Healing.

This is not a spiritual path, this is a Healing path, energy does not evoke AWWW, the person in front of you is the spiritual path, devotion is needed. Either choice is to grace you or withold it. We are accountable for not gracing.

Mystical reverence is needed, if you speak energy, you are not there. Not high enough.

Either live with courage or be a coward. Without courage, we are in cowardice.

Spiritual path is about non wordliness with is mystical, non physical. Very few want to have one suitcase only. The stuff world owns you and can make you self yourself in order to own your stuff. Then you will hide from yourself not admitting you are doing the devil's work. This is just business..... even when hurting, instead of admitting what is true, I just want more money for example.

True spiritual path is to decide "I cannot go there right now" getting hold of your darkenss day after day, in order to get into your light. Otherwise you become selfish.

Annointed healers are rare she says. They have grace to put away illness. They put a high potency charge in you of grace to start the healing process.

She says, people are more prone to protect their computer password with AWW than their own spiritual path. What does that tell you?

You can read about God, it won't bring you there. YOu need an actual experience to bring you to your knees.

Still very good interview altogether.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GARZKhEMNOo

[varuna]

Thank you Flash - no only for posting the interview, but also for your thoughtful and insightful interpretation :0

[markpierre]

Great great interview. Everybody listen hard to that one.

It's tough to ask questions integrous enough of someone so integreous.

[norman]

In her earlier workshops etc she used to talk a lot about energy leakage that knows no limits of distance or time as something to recognise as a 'negative'.

In this interview she seems to have matured into an acceptance that what she used to call energy leakage is something that is just part of being human and that the thing to do about it is to focus it wisely rather than try to eliminate it completely.

I agree.

Her more mature outlook is more about organising our "issues" into something that is or feels spiritually correct. By making "source" the object of our energy leakage ( as she would have called it 20 years ago ), we can live a better life.

[greybeard]

I had a big challenge with her years ago.
To my mind she was actually feeding the female ego in particular.
There was an empower one self, put yourself first, stand your ground, no compromise way about her teaching.
If I dared open the door for one of her female readers ( I knew a few) I was told off for being patronising.
I can do that for myself etc.
Male courtesy became redundant. Well mine anyway.
Perhaps I am being a little hard but that was my personal experience.

The interview is overall good but left me confused in part.

Chris

[ulli]

She is heading in the right direction.
I pray that she will get all her answers...
then she will be an amazing voice, and way-shower.

But no way is this the beginning of the age of barbarism.
No way is the the end of the age of reason.

Reason is one of the attributes of God, as is absolute Love, absolute Justice,
absolute Healing, absolute Trustworthiness, absolute Knowledge, absolute Grace.

But love for God opens the doors of further grace, and so she will be ok.

Today is Baha'u'llah's birthday, and I would like to share a relevant quote:

"The essence of love is for man to turn his heart to the Beloved One,
and sever himself from all else but Him,
and desire naught save that which is the desire of his Lord."

[greybeard]

She is heading in the right direction.
I pray that she will get all her answers...
then she will be an amazing voice, and way-shower.

But no way is this the beginning of the age of barbarism.
No way is the the end of the age of reason.

Reason is one of the attributes of God, as is absolute Love, absolute Justice,
absolute Healing, absolute Trustworthiness, absolute Knowledge, absolute Grace.

But love for God opens the doors of further grace, and so she will be ok.

Today is Baha'u'llah's birthday, and I would like to share a relevant quote:

"The essence of love is for man to turn his heart to the Beloved One,
and sever himself from all else but Him,
and desire naught save that which is the desire of his Lord."

I agree ulli and love the quote.
I have a similar one
" No one belongs to me and I belong to no one except the Beloved (God)"

The last remaining prayer is---"How may I serve You beloved God?"

Chris

[ulli]

She is heading in the right direction.
I pray that she will get all her answers...
then she will be an amazing voice, and way-shower.

But no way is this the beginning of the age of barbarism.
No way is the the end of the age of reason.

Reason is one of the attributes of God, as is absolute Love, absolute Justice,
absolute Healing, absolute Trustworthiness, absolute Knowledge, absolute Grace.

But love for God opens the doors of further grace, and so she will be ok.

Today is Baha'u'llah's birthday, and I would like to share a relevant quote:

"The essence of love is for man to turn his heart to the Beloved One,
and sever himself from all else but Him,
and desire naught save that which is the desire of his Lord."

I agree ulli and love the quote.
I have a similar one
" No one belongs to me and I belong to no one except the Beloved (God)"

The last remaining prayer is---"How may I serve You beloved God?"

Chris

Well, you are a noble being Greybeard.
My last remaining prayer has always been
"Oh God my God, increase thou my wonderment at thee"...

but maybe one day I'll be brave enough to risk saying yours...
Up until now I've always been a bit scared of what the answer might be...

[Delight]

She is heading in the right direction.
I pray that she will get all her answers...
then she will be an amazing voice, and way-shower.

But no way is this the beginning of the age of barbarism.
No way is the the end of the age of reason.

Reason is one of the attributes of God, as is absolute Love, absolute Justice,
absolute Healing, absolute Trustworthiness, absolute Knowledge, absolute Grace.

But love for God opens the doors of further grace, and so she will be ok.

Today is Baha'u'llah's birthday, and I would like to share a relevant quote:

"The essence of love is for man to turn his heart to the Beloved One,
and sever himself from all else but Him,
and desire naught save that which is the desire of his Lord."

In 1993 I met Carolyn Myss and we corresponded for a little while. She had a health challenge and I have not known anything but her books and interviews and lectures recently.

I have felt her become a scold, feeling the need to chide the sinners into a "holy path".
When one is a public personae and has an audience, a silly analogy to me is that any particular phase of that persons journey becomes like a slice of bread that one should just eat and move on but BECAUSE there is a need to create "bodies" (slices) of work, the audience (I) ends up wondering what is the coherence in this information.

Actually instead of the age of barbarism, I feel we are entering the age of chaotic reformation where we MUST embrace that the person of one day will have so many changes and revelations and so much GRACE that "reason" takes on a whole different attitude.

Please do not hold me Dear Universe to my expressions that are just single portions of my life loaf. Please let the dead go to dust and refresh the living SPIRIT. Please forgive my yester moments as I forgive the authors I imagine are telling me a truth.

The authority in me Greets the authority in you and we realize we are all beloveds who in seeing one another do see the face of a god of GRACE IN PROCESS of incompleted absolutes.

I agree that this idea we are moving into an age of barbarism feels WRONG.

[ulli]

She is heading in the right direction.
I pray that she will get all her answers...
then she will be an amazing voice, and way-shower.

But no way is this the beginning of the age of barbarism.
No way is the the end of the age of reason.

Reason is one of the attributes of God, as is absolute Love, absolute Justice,
absolute Healing, absolute Trustworthiness, absolute Knowledge, absolute Grace.

But love for God opens the doors of further grace, and so she will be ok.

Today is Baha'u'llah's birthday, and I would like to share a relevant quote:

"The essence of love is for man to turn his heart to the Beloved One,
and sever himself from all else but Him,
and desire naught save that which is the desire of his Lord."

In 1993 I met Carolyn Myss and we corresponded for a little while. She had a health challenge and I have not known anything but her books and interviews and lectures recently.

I have felt her become a scold, feeling the need to chide the sinners into a "holy path".
When one is a public personae and has an audience, a silly analogy to me is that any particular phase of that persons journey becomes like a slice of bread that one should just eat and move on but BECAUSE there is a need to create "bodies" (slices) of work, the audience (I) ends up wondering what is the coherence in this information.

Actually instead of the age of barbarism, I feel we are entering the age of chaotic reformation where we MUST embrace that the person of one day will have so many changes and revelations and so much GRACE that "reason" takes on a whole different attitude.

Please do not hold me Dear Universe to my expressions that are just single portions of my life loaf. Please let the dead go to dust and refresh the living SPIRIT. Please forgive my yester moments as I forgive the authors I imagine are telling me a truth.

The authority in me Greets the authority in you and we realize we are all beloveds who in seeing one another do see the face of a god of GRACE IN PROCESS of incompleted absolutes.

I agree that this idea we are moving into an age of barbarism feels WRONG.

My belief is we are moving towards individual sovereignty,
and this causes 'some' to behave in a barbaric manner.

[Delight]

My belief is we are moving towards individual sovereignty,
and this causes 'some' to behave in a barbaric manner.

Just for fun, I asked google what the opposite of the english word barbarism is?
http://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-opposite-of/barbarism.html

There was only one antonym on that hippo website GENTLENESS
and hippo said that gentleness is:


Make or becomegentle; calm or pacify
Touch gently
Make (an animal) docile by gentle handling
(of a person) Mild in temperament or behavior; kind or tender
(of a person) Noble or having the qualities attributed to noble birth; courteous; chivalrous
Moderate in action, effect, or degree; not harsh or severe
(of a slope) Gradual

I see you Ulli as gentle.
Mooji is definitely looking gentle too so I am looking him.....

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[onawah]

I listened to a lot of her talks and read some of her books years ago.
I had a real "Aha" moment once when she was describing many of her clients who came to her for intuitive diagnosis.
She said there were so many who were obviously very committed to a spiritual path and had been for many lifetimes.
Yet they had been born into very dysfunctional families, people they had no real connection with.
It puzzled her greatly until she began to see that it was happening because it is such a critical time on the planet, with so much work needing to be done.
So people who wanted to help uplift those who desperately needed help were incarnating into those sick families, at great personal expense, to assist them in making some evolutionary progress.
For me, a "white sheep" born into a family of alcoholism, depression and suicide (three of my siblings committed suicide, and my mother attempted it when I was 9) that made a lot of sense.

That was a priceless bit of information.
But later, I think her very Catholic upbringing began to leak into her teachings and her message didn't resonate with me so much.
There are lots of people who spend their whole lives as "recovering Catholics", and with good reason...




I agree that this idea we are moving into an age of barbarism feels WRONG.

My belief is we are moving towards individual sovereignty,
and this causes 'some' to behave in a barbaric manner.

Yes, I agree.

[Flash]

I listened to a lot of her talks and read some of her books years ago.
I had a real "Aha" moment once when she was describing many of her clients who came to her for intuitive diagnosis.
She said there were so many who were obviously very committed to a spiritual path and had been for many lifetimes.
Yet they had been born into very dysfunctional families, people they had no real connection with.
It puzzled her greatly until she began to see that it was happening because it is such a critical time on the planet, with so much work needing to be done.
So people who wanted to help uplift those who desperately needed help were incarnating into those sick families, at great personal expense, to assist them in making some evolutionary progress.
For me, a "white sheep" born into a family of alcoholism, depression and suicide (three of my siblings committed suicide, and my mother attempted it when I was 9) that made a lot of sense.

That was a priceless bit of information.
But later, I think her very Catholic upbringing began to leak into her teachings and her message didn't resonate with me so much.
There are lots of people who spend their whole lives as "recovering Catholics", and with good reason...




I agree that this idea we are moving into an age of barbarism feels WRONG.

My belief is we are moving towards individual sovereignty,
and this causes 'some' to behave in a barbaric manner.

Yes, I agree.

Yes, my whole province is a recovering catholic group. lol

When Caroline speak catholic, however, it is much more about the mystic side of it, with Teresa of Avila her best. This I can tolerate and learn from it. She is also fluent in Judaism and not bad at buddhism.

As for men, Greybeard, she sometimes have the same impact on women. Anything that seem remotely non sense to her and up, she will grill you. In public, better be solid Inside.

Markpierre, what means integreous? My eyes became crossed when I read that word lol.

I think she has very much and quite on target things to say about politics, where the world is heading (even if she say barbarism, the way she seems to present it is that there is not points of reference anylonger, pillars that have always been there are being destroyed, as she says, therefore barbarism, no point of reference).

I really thing if someone was to interview her on these, we may have a very good insight - she is also quite connected with people of all walks of life, including rich ones. She may really have a sight we have not. I wish the interview would have continued in that direction. But hey, I will take what there is.

[norman]

.........You need an actual experience to bring you to your knees.........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GARZKhEMNOo

Bump !

It doesn't need a Catholic mentality to know what a pure statement that really is.

Even from the place of living with the dynamics of a 'secular' (:boink:) existential brutal animal mind, the ups and the downs tell you only so much until something cuts right through to the bone, even if it's the teeth of a predator or the 3 bullets from the other gang's gun.

The last fade to black is a tad late to get the point but it'll do, spiritually, if all else fails.

[Snowflower]

I had to fight my reaction to humiliation comments because my experience with deepest humiliation did not result in humbleness. I know the root meaning is the same, but I have not connected the two as cause and effect: humiliation into humility. Humiliation caused me to despise myself, not to accept the experience in humble gratitude.

Ulli, yes, individual sovereignty is so on target!

The only book I read by her, years ago, seemed to go in the direction that positive thinking was enough, so it was doubly interesting to hear her make the opposite statement in this interview. Also, I don't know if others picked this up or if it is due to my own personal bias, but I felt some scorn toward the "new agey" community in her comments about equating healing with a spiritual path and just changing the language but not the reality of their relationship to the divine.

But by the end, I felt like perhaps I had been opened up a bit more in my own journey, so appreciate the interview.

[transiten]

Reconciling the opposites, taking back projections, there is only "Now" just Now. Creation created "Now" by everything/everyone that was, is and will be..I just love the changing facial expressions between humour, compassion and serenity of this stand-up comedian loving Mooji :jester: made me laugh until i cried...

Carolyn Myss i have to ponder some more, Great Insights, still somewhat too "orthodox" - a lot of Sagittarius there - may have a tendency to tell "The Truth" in a very direct and provocative way. I also have the problem with the notion of "pple" and "they" doing this and that, are we not ALL part of "pple" more or less awake? Having my own scorpionic/virgonian/capricorn flaws prone to criticism :o

[Flash]

I had to fight my reaction to humiliation comments because my experience with deepest humiliation did not result in humbleness. I know the root meaning is the same, but I have not connected the two as cause and effect: humiliation into humility. Humiliation caused me to despise myself, not to accept the experience in humble gratitude.

Ulli, yes, individual sovereignty is so on target!

The only book I read by her, years ago, seemed to go in the direction that positive thinking was enough, so it was doubly interesting to hear her make the opposite statement in this interview. Also, I don't know if others picked this up or if it is due to my own personal bias, but I felt some scorn toward the "new agey" community in her comments about equating healing with a spiritual path and just changing the language but not the reality of their relationship to the divine.

But by the end, I felt like perhaps I had been opened up a bit more in my own journey, so appreciate the interview.

you are definitely right, lots of scorn towards New Agey, less in this interview than in some of her speach. And yes, in this interview she had comments about equating healing with spiritual path not being a change towards relating to the divine. I think she is a purist really when it is about relationhip to God, I see her as a mystic, with great stride towards the divine and some mistakes, as all mystic do sometimes.

Humiliation has a similar impact on me Sonflower, it does not makes me humble, it makes me crumble and then more rigid to get out from the underneath feeling.
Love makes me humble every single time.