Prisoners of Titan

[Chanlo23]

Yesterday, i was reading Tesla's thread on Egypt/Titan, and started remembering an RV session I had. I felt compelled to put together some of the images I was seeing. After I finished it, I couldn't sleep and kept being awakened by a hyper bright light outside my window that would grow dark after I was awake again.


23662

The old stories of mythological Egypt say that Osiris traveled to the land of the dead and returned. The truth was that he, like many earth dwellers, was taken prisoner on Titan. My belief is that he was not the first to be taken, but he is one of the few who were later rescued by Andromedans and returned to his home world. The Osiris who 'rose from the dead' was a clone, and he was not the only one who has lived and died on planet earth.

Were YOU one of those imprisoned on Titan?

How many of you were held there? How many are still there?

Do you remember what the traps looked like?

Do you recall what the flavor merchants who run it look like?

What enticements did they use to keep you there? Were you one who was promised intense joy?

Do you still have your joy implant? What were you promised if you stayed?

Are you still waiting for payment?

[Bob]

Is this close for that "Flavor-Merchant" image? The proboscis maybe a bit more narrow in actuality.


http://chanlo.com/images/flavor1.jpg

[Hughe]

Lou Baldin aka Sleeper's Answers on ATS.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47sleeper/08pdf_files/Sleeper-1.pdf

His website is http://www.ufolou.com/
Lou Baldin wrote a book 'A Day with an Extraterrestrial'. It has good portion of Saturn's moon including habitable places in our solar system.

[Bob]

Lou Baldin aka Sleeper's Answers on ATS.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47sleeper/08pdf_files/Sleeper-1.pdf

His website is http://www.ufolou.com/
Lou Baldin wrote a book 'A Day with an Extraterrestrial'. It has good portion of Saturn's moon including habitable places in our solar system.

What a fantastic read there Hughe - has Lou ever ventured to visit Avalon?

[Chanlo23]

Is this close for that "Flavor-Merchant" image?

Very similar!

[Chanlo23]

Thanks Hughe! Interesting PDF too!

[Freed Fox]

Additional questions I think you should ask;

Are you certain that TITAN was the prison?

Are you certain that you're not in prison now?

[Chanlo23]

Additional questions I think you should ask; Are you certain that TITAN was the prison?
Are you certain that you're not in prison now?

There many prisons in many physical and interdimensional places. This thread is about those on TITAN. You may be in prison here or there or elsewhere. Or not.

What can you tell me about your experiences with the flavor merchants?

[Freed Fox]

What can you tell me about your experiences with the flavor merchants?

I'm not sure if that question is addressed to me in particular, someone else, or to everyone in general. If it is the former, I don't have any (or, I don't recall any). :)

Also, for those interested, here is the link to Tesla's thread mentioned in the OP:
Egypt's Pyramids, the Logarithmic Golden Mean Spiral, and Space Flight (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64728-Egypt-s-Pyramids-the-Logarithmic-Golden-Mean-Spiral-and-Space-Flight)

(At least, I believe this is the one you were referring to Chanlo. Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

[Chanlo23]

Also, for those interested, here is the link to Tesla's thread mentioned in the OP:
Egypt's Pyramids, the Logarithmic Golden Mean Spiral, and Space Flight (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64728-Egypt-s-Pyramids-the-Logarithmic-Golden-Mean-Spiral-and-Space-Flight)

Yes! Thanks Freed. That thread triggered recall of several different RV sessions in which I've participated.

[Bob]

As to the "capture and contain" traps..

Here are some observations..

The towers in your top image have a sphere near the top - that is where the prisoners would be kept.

The sphere geometry :


http://chanlo.com/images/space-sphere.bmp http://chanlo.com/images/sphere-1a.jpg

The function inside the sphere - inside it is highly silvered, conductive and reflective. There are two or three vibrational points on the sphere to keep the surface vibrating and those within placated, or not desiring to "leave". Any creations inside are hierarchial. Different layers exist inside due to the different vibrational "focal points" from the complex vibration on the shell. This vibrational focal point "layering" resembles Dante's multiple layers of "Hell". Strange that Dante would define "Hell" as what looks like one of the "prison" spheres.. The vibration shown below is typical of one mode of "spherical vibration". Inside the "sphere" would be a type of jell which holds "charges" in place. The first "image" used as the "trap" is the light-in-the-tunnel (shown representatively in the sphere image above right). I may later in the thread post a snippet of one of the "capture" vibrations used to hold the "spirit/soul" (based on "aesthetics"). Notice Dante in the "layers of Hell" put the River near the surface layer - the silver surface when vibrating would appear to "look" like ripples in "water".


http://chanlo.com/images/concave-trap.jpg http://chanlo.com/images/Spherical_Wave.gif

Ref - Circular layers of Hell

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QqlfiB4z6Z0/TuoBICwUIII/AAAAAAAAE0Q/ApqM27zd9jc/s1600/Inferno+de+dante+-+BartolomeoMap.jpg

Ref -
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/c/ca/20100219230547!Dante_Inferno_Levels.png

Ref -
http://dimcoast.net/files/upper-hell.jpg

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Yesterday, i was reading Tesla's thread on Egypt/Titan, and started remembering an RV session I had. I felt compelled to put together some of the images I was seeing. After I finished it, I couldn't sleep and kept being awakened by a hyper bright light outside my window that would grow dark after I was awake again.


23662

The old stories of mythological Egypt say that Osiris traveled to the land of the dead and returned. The truth was that he, like many earth dwellers, was taken prisoner on Titan. My belief is that he was not the first to be taken, but he is one of the few who were later rescued by Andromedans and returned to his home world. The Osiris who 'rose from the dead' was a clone, and he was not the only one who has lived and died on planet earth.

Were YOU one of those imprisoned on Titan?

How many of you were held there? How many are still there?

Do you remember what the traps looked like?

Do you recall what the flavor merchants who run it look like?

What enticements did they use to keep you there? Were you one who was promised intense joy?

Do you still have your joy implant? What were you promised if you stayed?

Are you still waiting for payment?

Chanlo, thank you for reading my threads. Sometimes things just "come" to people, especially when our race as a whole faces a moral dilemma or a safety concern.

Your post raises an interesting idea, thinking of our solar system as what's left over from an ancient community;
i.e. what would it have been like to live during a time when there was intelligent life on more than one planet (or moon) in the same system?

That sounds like a stretch -- but we are about to re-enter the age in which people do live on neighboring celestial bodies.

Whether or not "moon prisons" and the like may have existed in the past, the important thing to keep in mind is that with all the recent news and space agencies competing for information and access to space objects other than earth, we as humans and intelligent beings must ensure that our explorations and conquests of our local solar system correspond with our moral beliefs and humane behavior.

Whether or not Titan or other places harbored life in the past, it's entirely possible that in the near future (as humans factor it), there could well be penal colonies on the Moon or other regions of our solar system -- it's our responsibility to anticipate these events and translate them into a form understood by moralizers.

I think your impression of prisons on moons raises a good ethical question for agencies like NASA -- will our space agencies cooperate with evil authorities and use their technology for the imprisonment of man, or will NASA and its counterparts use their technologies to liberate mankind?

thank you for reading my threads and giving them so much thought.
I hadn't even considered the ethical implications of local space travel and colonization until seeing your own thread -- so kudos to you!

Be careful not to let foreign entities distract you from what's good for our own species -- but the idea of being incarcerated on other planets and their moons is a real threat that modern humans definitely do face today.

There wouldn't be films like Blade Runner and Pluto Nash if we weren't on the edge of a new space age.

p.s. for those wondering what I posted in the earlier threads, well, the Golden Mean/Egypt thread was about the mathematics expressed by the pyramids and how that math correlates to techniques used by modern space agencies to slingshot around our solar system using gravity of local bodies. :) i.e. probes to Mars using earth's gravity and the sun's gravity to swing around and reach mars. I sincerely believe that the Pharaohs had some type of inspiration for the math they used, much like the Bolivian sun gate builders, and that these great leaders left the record of their math behind for modern space travelers to observe and enjoy.

the thread about Titan (if I recall correctly) spoke of the conditions that give rise to the formation of DNA -- life at its most fundamental level. which brings to mind a recent thread by another user (about DNA), in which DNA was found to have a "ghost" or non-material lattice. Titan's proximity to Saturn's bizarre radiation patterns, including rotational fields, and its own possession of the building blocks of life, led me to wonder if at the microbial level, Titan produces or harbors the building blocks of life, and if life on planets like Earth and Mars benefited at one time by these amazing "microbial generators" on moons like Titan.

my third thread dealt with the idea that Mars was once rich with life or its precursors, and that a catastrophic impact event stripped that planet of its rich oceans and thick atmosphere. which is kind of what NASA said today, except they blamed solar wind for a lot of that.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

p.s. Chanlo, I wanted to tell you something else that is interesting, about RV and psychic experience --

you shouldn't feel bad for having trouble recalling, remembering, or capturing a concept.

Because many authors of books on the paranormal, namely paranormal experiences, state in no uncertain terms that psychic manifestations are sometimes nigh-impossible to recall easily.

We tend to forget these manifestations, similarly to abductees, because of the way that the brain works while people are in the precognitive state.

The brain waves of a conscious person are not the same as those of a person who is future-telling or reliving the past through visions.

that's why we have so much trouble recalling events and piecing them together, as "psychics".

p.s. I am starting to believe that the only miracle in our universe is the occasional discovery of good record keeping. :)

hence my gratitude to the pharaohs.

p.p.s. people tend to doubt claircognizance because: it's technically easier to recall a delusion than a prophecy.

[Chanlo23]

Thanks, Everyone! Your posts are clearing out the distractions - I'm starting to connect some dots!

[Bob]

Conversion of Optical Scan to AUDIO

I've run some conversions of this optical pix of Titan-Saturn to audio, so that one can "hear/feel" what an optical image is like as SOUND.

It's not music, but it is dimensionalized.

This is a development that I did some years ago from studying dolphin communications, and dolphin holograms. The technique converts the placement of the objects, their frequency resonances (their waveshapes in other words), and their color and intensity into an audio matrix. The audio matrix then is adjusted in frequency range for the human nervous system to "pick it up" and sort it to be able to get the experience in ways they normal would not be able to do from JUST a picture.

See what you pick up. I set this up to work with both speakers, laptop speakers and headphones. The frequencies are pretty low for some of the objects, so having some good bass speakers or good wideband full spectrum headphones may be helpful. It's an interesting technique. Dolphin use the technique to form images and get even "more" data out of the relationships. De Le Warr used a crude version in his aura camera to extract time/space data from an object plus a thought (for tuning).


http://chanlo.com/images/Titan.jpg

and a snippet for audio of the above


http://chanlo.com/images/Titan2.mp3

(the full length file, about about 5 min, is here: http://www.chanlo.com/images/titan-1.mp3 - this longer file does need full spectrum headphones for playback, right click on the link, do a SAVE AS to the desktop, about 4.8 megabytes file size, and play from the computer)

[Chanlo23]

Awesome! The amount of data present is incredible. Thanks BobD!

[Chanlo23]

Taking another look at the spires on Titan, I realized they are using a very similar mechanism to what was used in Egypt to entrap (yet keep the soul attached), particularly around Heliopolis, where souls and partial soul energy were embedded in animal mummies and used as power generator/batteries.

Didn’t they utilize a bitumin mixture for entombing there, as part of the sucking/pulling in and trapping mechanism? I believe some type of charged plasma was used in the spire monuments on Titan. BobD, what has your research shown ?

[Bob]

Howdy Chanlo

From Divine creatures: animal mummies in ancient Egypt - edited by Dr. Salima Ikram

She is a brilliant Egyptologist. I enjoyed my personal 2 week experience with her in the 90's in Egypt exploring various aspects.

From her Preface to the above book.. the properly encapsulated mummy was the soul repository. A sacred worshiped entity/body combination was sought after. What would it mean to have a soul then "captured", present with one, entombed ? Ability to use that "energy" (Soul) in some way? Maybe..


http://chanlo.com/images/Book.jpg

If we look at the map she has put together of all the different places across Egypt, we find that this is not a simple bury a few bodies here and there.. She reports MILLIONS of these mummies exist across Egypt. My experience first hand with this phenomenon was at Heliopolis in the Catacombs back in the late 80's.. very interesting place..


http://chanlo.com/images/BigMap.jpg

Describing in detail past the legend on the map, these specific communities have located within or nearby various burial sites, and catacombs, or repositories for such mummies:


http://chanlo.com/images/Places.jpg

Of the locations in the places above, I had personally been to and witnessed phenomenon and mummies and or artifacts at these locations:
Abydos, Alexandria, Asyut, Beni Hasan, Dendera, Edfu, Elephantine, Esna, Heliopolis, Kom Ombo, Krokodilopolis, Saqqara, Thebes, Tuna al Gabel, and of course the various museums in Cairo, Luxor, and near Aswan.

The "energies" are present. It is similar to going to a zoo, and doing an OBE contact with one of the residents. Or better still, anyone who has a wild wolf as a "pet", you know how the mind of the animal can go "inside of you", and get in your etheric space... you know there is a powerful presence there and it is not something to idly "toy with".

Egypt can rightly be said to be the place of origin of real "magic". Soul and spirit body magic, environmental magic, and assorted other sciences as we know today.

See Budge, Egyptian Magic - http://rbedrosian.com/Downloads/Budge_Egyptian_magic.pdf for a very good history.

From his Preface:
"A STUDY of the remains of the native religious literature of ancient Egypt which have come down to us has revealed the fact that the belief in magic, that is to say, in the power of magical names, and spells, and enchantments, and formulae, and pictures, and figures,
and amulets, and in the performance of ceremonies accompanied by the utterance of words of power, to produce supernatural results, formed a large and important part of the Egyptian religion.

"And it is certain that, notwithstanding the continuous progress which the Egyptians made in civilization, and the high intellectual development to which they eventually attained, this belief influenced their minds and, from the earliest to the latest period of their history, shaped their views concerning things temporal as well as spiritual in a manner which, at this stage in the history of the world, is very difficult to understand."

Normal "Science" doesn't have explanations for such workings, capturing the "spirit", life essence, and then using it for personal goals.

Entombed preserved spirit/soul could be said to be in the crudest terms analogous to how a battery these days is used.. used to "run" some sort of machine which carries out the desires of the operator.

Other forum threads have talked about archons, parasites, soul suckers, soul manipulators on and on - to not repeat all of those threads once again, any interested reader can go looking in the forum and elsewhere and see the various discussions.

I can speak from first hand experience "being there" having gone to the places, and felt the "energies" - as of the date witnessing such, it exists, and I have no reason to disbelieve that it would not still exist and not still be being used, the techniques, extraction methods, and application of said "energies" to accomplish only God knows what..


https://sc.theimagefile.co.uk/v/tp/336/240/903400819_4_Tuna-el-Gebel-Thoth-as-Baboon-6272EG07JHP.jpg

[Bob]

Taking another look at the spires on Titan, I realized they are using a very similar mechanism to what was used in Egypt to entrap (yet keep the soul attached), particularly around Heliopolis, where souls and partial soul energy were embedded in animal mummies and used as power generator/batteries.

Didn’t they utilize a bitumin mixture for entombing there, as part of the sucking/pulling in and trapping mechanism? I believe some type of charged plasma was used in the spire monuments on Titan. BobD, what has your research shown ?

There were many more places than just Heliopolis - I have done a separate post in this thread on that. Bitumen (sorta like a heavy coal/oil tar like material) is a very strong dielectric substance able to hold charges. If the charges are held in a structural form, a very dense quantum prison can be created for the "information".

The scientific explanation of spirit/soul is defined as the sum total of neural sensory experiences stored both inside and outside of the physical body.

Cellular polymers, nerve ending groupings, expressing information and reacting to information triggers encodes the essence of "self".

Jostle in new patterns or connection and "identity" or the skill level, belief level, how one view's oneself or external reality changes.

If the "change phenomenon" didn't happen with any strong changes in the neural "wiring" we could easily lead ourselves to assume that "soul" was always detached from body.. Therefore, any method to capture and preserve the neural patterns and relationships, "should" adequately capture enough information about soul/self to keep the "identity" intact.

ref: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21278697 borrowed consciousness after brain injury

ref: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/professor-cromer-learns-read/201203/after-brain-injury-the-dark-side-personality-change-part-i personality changed after brain injury

ref: http://www.nbcnews.com/health/different-person-personality-change-often-brain-injurys-hidden-toll-8C11152322 a different person is there..

[johnf]

I have had a long standing interest in Egypt, and specifically Osiris.
Back in the eighties I spent a lot of time on memory recovery techniques.
In one session I was dealing with a memory of entering this system and was captured
and took on the identity of Jehovah.
I am pretty sure the techniques we were using were not up to the task of resolving whatever real phenomena
was occurring at the time.
I also ran into similar things with the greek pantheon, and have run into various people whom I "felt" were this figure or that,
from various mythologies and religions.
There is one person that I ran into that was fully convinced that i was Osiris, and there were other people in that group that
I felt were other Gods and Goddesses from Egypt.
At this point I feel rather sheepish about these feelings, but I am sure there are hidden causes for this phenomenon.
At times these ideas come up and I receive little insights about them.
One such idea was that I had picked up these "memories", or connections as part of a process of phasing into the space time continuum of this planet.
I do not have any physical life type memories of any of this, and no astral ones that have any substance.
So the descriptions of the prisons etc, do not really bring up anything for me other than that Saturn is highly significant
in holding beings into this system.
After reading this thread though, and making connections with my experiences I think that the subject of clearing these memories, or whatever they really are is very important to changing how things are done on this planet.

jf

[Bob]

I have had a long standing interest in Egypt, and specifically Osiris.
Back in the eighties I spent a lot of time on memory recovery techniques.
In one session I was dealing with a memory of entering this system and was captured
and took on the identity of Jehovah.
I am pretty sure the techniques we were using were not up to the task of resolving whatever real phenomena
was occurring at the time.
I also ran into similar things with the greek pantheon, and have run into various people whom I "felt" were this figure or that,
from various mythologies and religions.
There is one person that I ran into that was fully convinced that i was Osiris, and there were other people in that group that
I felt were other Gods and Goddesses from Egypt.
At this point I feel rather sheepish about these feelings, but I am sure there are hidden causes for this phenomenon.
At times these ideas come up and I receive little insights about them.
One such idea was that I had picked up these "memories", or connections as part of a process of phasing into the space time continuum of this planet.
I do not have any physical life type memories of any of this, and no astral ones that have any substance.
So the descriptions of the prisons etc, do not really bring up anything for me other than that Saturn is highly significant
in holding beings into this system.
After reading this thread though, and making connections with my experiences I think that the subject of clearing these memories, or whatever they really are is very important to changing how things are done on this planet.

jf

Like ur new Avatar John :)

Chanlo, would it be OK to discuss with John some of the points he made and questions posed here in this thread and stay consistent with the implant/prison/capture mechanism apparently used in olden days (although I would believe some will say such things are not only in use, but have been radically improved)...

Love the observations John and the questions there. To capture the soul/ID/consciousness I feel has been done as referenced by Budge in Egyptian Magic having delved into and quite in depth, the use of captured soul energy to create "magic". Imagine if one could bring in the group consciousness concept of an all powerful "god" with amazing out-of-this world attributes and then have the trapped "god" present in some vehicle for your bidding..

There is no reference that I can find that pure reptoids have existed in the Egyptian Magic except for the Crocodiles. There are all sorts of creatures, lion-human bird human (ibis is a big one).. basically creatures from their local regions embodied with a mix of human lower half and the creature in the upper half. It is assumed that the vibe of the animal was imparted into the human creature to achieve the creation of an ally in the species.

Essence of old Egyptian high magic in other words.

Lower magic would do such and bring in the devic entities into plants so that the garden can be healthy and nutritious and very life-force present.. Planting a grove of trees just the right way, in the right geometry to bring forth the ideal tuned life force to bring in MORE life force and thereby be trapped in the cellulose plants is done all the time. Some just ignore what that is about and call it good green thumb gardening, or some more advanced would recognize they are working with the plant kingdom of the "mother"..

There are simply different technologists. That is the the actuality, some wish to not know that the manipulation is a technology and practice embodied into one. Some break up the machines (which could be organic machines, or silicon machines, or otherwise) and break up the programming (the ritual, the recital, the pushing of buttons, or the planting of crystals)..

It is still tech and it is still being done to achieve an end result.

Is it right? Who knows :) Those doing it will say it's right with some justifier attached.. Those not able to understand will at first say it's wrong.. Simply cause they don't know, and have no way of predicting outcome, or having failed in the past or having been manipulated badly in the past.. Is it good? Who knows :)

[Chanlo23]

JohnF -- Thanks for bringing this up! I believe ALL memories of those who have lived before are available, accessible, and/or implantable on different levels, and have been used to drive/generate emotional charge/ridges to provide energy for the power elite to power their control actions. Those emotional charges can be used to cripple folks or use them as power sources for control. I totally agree that these memories and the emotions they evoke need to be cleared. A lot of folks are experiencing emotional charge/trauma evoked by memories that are (or not) actually 'theirs' in the present or any other lifetime. It is easy to tune into the quantum reality concept of the identity of TESLA, for example, and to BE Tesla (or Einstein or Jung or any other past personality). IF we consider the Akashic like a library and identities within it as books in a library, where is the identity that one tunes into? Is it in an Akashic Library bank or in a repository of stored souls or elsewhere? Is there a difference?

[Chanlo23]

BobD ... Sure... sure, I appreciate your addressing JohnF's comments and bringing in Budge. I believe the insectoids who were running the prisons on Titan (and maybe storing surplus there) were utilizing that technology. The geometry was used as part of the magic, and later on we can see lots of special mystery teachings showed how geometry can be used to do "special things". All of that is insectoid technology utilizing 6 or 8-sided geometry based on the hives, who are the 6's and the feeders who are the 8's. The insectoid flavor merchant is an interesting "6" that is a predator, a rancher of souls, keeping the harvest ready, and building the energy charge as high as possible.

I believe this "tech" was developed during the persian/mideast/egyptian civilizations and then then filtered into the rest of africa along the east coast until it turned west about mid continent crossing westwards thru Mali. All of them used different versions of it to monitor and control whatever population is present - regardless of the public "justifier". The insectoids, a real life species of Ferengi, seem to flourish directly in proportion to the quantity and intensity of the emotional charges that are stored, with the stronger emotions providing the greatest energy potentials.

[Flash]

wow, an interesting thread

I have no remembrance of anything mentioned here, but yet, quite interesting. Some of your points definitely recoup Simon Parkes thread, where for example Saturn and its rings are artificially made to keep us in prison for example.

He also talk of he white light on death that is an attracting beam kind of.

However, he does not seem to thing that the Insectoids are the culprit of the problem.

[Flash]

Yesterday, i was reading Tesla's thread on Egypt/Titan, and started remembering an RV session I had. I felt compelled to put together some of the images I was seeing. After I finished it, I couldn't sleep and kept being awakened by a hyper bright light outside my window that would grow dark after I was awake again.


23662

The old stories of mythological Egypt say that Osiris traveled to the land of the dead and returned. The truth was that he, like many earth dwellers, was taken prisoner on Titan. My belief is that he was not the first to be taken, but he is one of the few who were later rescued by Andromedans and returned to his home world. The Osiris who 'rose from the dead' was a clone, and he was not the only one who has lived and died on planet earth.

Were YOU one of those imprisoned on Titan?

How many of you were held there? How many are still there?

Do you remember what the traps looked like?

Do you recall what the flavor merchants who run it look like?

What enticements did they use to keep you there? Were you one who was promised intense joy?

Do you still have your joy implant? What were you promised if you stayed?

Are you still waiting for payment?

Very interesting questions. Do you have any answer to these yourself? I am particularly interested about the joy implants. And the enticements.

thanks

[Chanlo23]

Very interesting questions. Do you have any answer to these yourself? I am particularly interested about the joy implants. And the enticements.thanks

Flash - I was starting to wonder if anyone has been able to recover past life memories of those prisons. The questions were posted to see if folks could/would take a look and recall something that would not be too threatening to them.

Do you feel that an implant (mental) can contain a statement command to forget? How would one crack something like that?

[Chanlo23]

However, he does not seem to thing that the Insectoids are the culprit of the problem.

I have not ‘met’ any of the Mantids discussed by Parkes, nor have I had the time to study his reports (on my list!), but/and the insectoids I refer to, which do appear to be mantis-like in appearance, feed on all life, sucking out the juices/prana, creating nothing that is not a trapping mechanism, and utilize chemicals and traps to break down and feed on energies of all kinds. The geometries of the insectoids created the weaving patterns, the precise trapping mechanisms that are used. Reptoids do eat what insectoids have captured in their territories and do forage from their traps.

There are no references in Egyptian magic texts to reptoidal aliens (or any aliens), but only to how creatures were incorporated into magical life and how beingness could be used for magical energy production.

We know that the ancient Egyptians studied different species in their environment. References to crocodiles, for example, were used to invoke the protection of Sobek against the dangers of the river Nile. The scarab beetle (insect), for example, was revered as something that played a part in transformation. Spiders are known to entrap, and keep a victim alive in a cocoon (mummy form). Some insects are known to have toxic poisons that do not necessarily kill their victim. Wasps are also know to inject poison and paralyze a victim. There were no references to crocodile like creatures doing that. With these real-world models, the magicians learned how to chemically paralyze, trap, and preserve creatures while it could be consumed and used for energy. They even duplicated the chemicals and methods used.

While there are reptiles that eat insects, there are also insects that eat reptiles. Preying mantises, for example, are also known to feed on lizards, birds, and even rodents. Mantises are highly skilled predators, with substantial ability to use protective coloration to blend in with the foliage or substrate, both to avoid predators, and to better snare their prey.

It seems to me that it is the creatures that no one is paying attention to that are the most dangerous. Lots of folks talk about the brutality and carnality of dinosaurs and the predatory nature of reptoids. Such has been well documented in alien abduction reports and discussions of it in the general population are well tolerated. The potential to be caught, fed off of and drained while still conscious and alive, however, is something too horrific to think about, much less discuss (from events in any timeline).

If alien life forms mimic their earth counterparts, as abduction reports appear to infer, it seems like a lot more attention needs to be placed on the insectoid alien groups.

[Flash]

Very interesting questions. Do you have any answer to these yourself? I am particularly interested about the joy implants. And the enticements.thanks

Flash - I was starting to wonder if anyone has been able to recover past life memories of those prisons. The questions were posted to see if folks could/would take a look and recall something that would not be too threatening to them.

Do you feel that an implant (mental) can contain a statement command to forget? How would one crack something like that?

It would appear that the white light in between life is to erase memories. Some say we would be a farm and in Matrix the movie. All I know is that Mantis have work with reptoid for eons although they are different races altogether with each their plans and destiny.

As for the command to forget in this lifetime, very simple hypnosis can achieve this for most of the population, implants are not even needed. For few, who could remember, well they may be needed. So yes, we may have commands to forget.

Reptoids, here on Avalon, are often reffered to as reptilians, don't ask me why or what is the difference if any. Also, lots of people on this forum would tell you that ancient egyptians were very much in tandem with the reptoid races and that it appears everywhere in the different writings and cultures. As it is not my cup of tea, I cannot much disculss about it, cause i do not personnally know - did not study it.

I am pretty much in agreement with your last paragraph, often it is what is not talk about that is the culprit, in human lifes at least lol.

I also always Wonder what are doing the Human Alien groups if they are around. How do they see what is going on.

Also, somewhat somewhere, we may be the makers of these realities. But how and where is to be discovered.

[Chanlo23]

I am pretty much in agreement with your last paragraph, often it is what is not talk about that is the culprit, in human lifes at least lol.

Flash,

I believe that what is not talked about is often very much in need of being talked about!

I have seen considerable forum chatter on the internet related to speculation that mantis-like insectoids control the long neck greys and the small greys, and have worked with the reptoid/reptilian races as cooperative hunter/predators.

Here are some links, with mini-summary:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=222049&#entry4198034. This forum thread discusses one fellows theory about the mantis species controlling the greys, along with abduction reports.

http://unconventional-wisdom.info/Page_2.html This forum thread discusses various creation myths among Chinese and aboriginals that point to humans being created/visited by reptilian species (and they in turn being created by insectoid species). Included are abduction reports from researchers Brian Thompson and Linda Howe.


I was looking at how egyptian magical texts discuss entrapment of energy beingness and how mummification, soul entrapment, and an entrapper that appears to be what looks insectoidal, and who appears to be responsible for creating and being the masters of reptoids. The aborigines talked about Namarrgon, a creator being, who took the shape of a insect with two arms and who walked on two legs. Whereas Sobek was one of the known egyptian reptile gods, Khepri was associated with the scarab or dung beetle, making him one of the most famous insect gods (particularly revered in areas related to resurrection and transformation).

If insectoids are ultimately responsible for reptoids and greys abducting and experimenting on humans, then it sure seems like we need to know more about them as an apex predator.

[Flash]

I am pretty much in agreement with your last paragraph, often it is what is not talk about that is the culprit, in human lifes at least lol.

Flash,

I believe that what is not talked about is often very much in need of being talked about!

I have seen considerable forum chatter on the internet related to speculation that mantis-like insectoids control the long neck greys and the small greys, and have worked with the reptoid/reptilian races as cooperative hunter/predators.

Here are some links, with mini-summary:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=222049&#entry4198034. This forum thread discusses one fellows theory about the mantis species controlling the greys, along with abduction reports.

http://unconventional-wisdom.info/Page_2.html This forum thread discusses various creation myths among Chinese and aboriginals that point to humans being created/visited by reptilian species (and they in turn being created by insectoid species). Included are abduction reports from researchers Brian Thompson and Linda Howe.


I was looking at how egyptian magical texts discuss entrapment of energy beingness and how mummification, soul entrapment, and an entrapper that appears to be what looks insectoidal, and who appears to be responsible for creating and being the masters of reptoids. The aborigines talked about Namarrgon, a creator being, who took the shape of a insect with two arms and who walked on two legs. Whereas Sobek was one of the known egyptian reptile gods, Khepri was associated with the scarab or dung beetle, making him one of the most famous insect gods (particularly revered in areas related to resurrection and transformation).

If insectoids are ultimately responsible for reptoids and greys abducting and experimenting on humans, then it sure seems like we need to know more about them as an apex predator.

In Houman's tread on the archons, you have Dr Malanga, an Italian, who gives a whole hierarchy of being that would be involved on the implants and capture of people. The top one would resemble a fish like creature, mantids like and reptile like being below him.

It also seems, and you surely know, that the small greys would be biological robots used by many species inlcuding humans black ops.

However, my point would be that all those are STS, service to self, either with individual minds (humans black ops and Nordics) or with hive minds (reptiles and mantids and real original greys). Some human in the general population would be STO, but where are the STO aliens?

My other question is the following: for evolution, to reach higher evolution and higher realms, is individualism necessary? Why would STO be easier or a must? Can insectoids or even reptilian decide to collectively turn around and redo the path to become STO? Do they have the will or the need to do so at some point, is STS a dead end? And if so, how to become the teachers instead of the victims?

And where are the human aliens for gosh sake?

[donk]

I believe that what is not talked about is often very much in need of being talked about!

Well said, I couldn't agree more.

...um, forgive me if I misunderstood, but was that a "no" to Flash's question (to answer your own question :p)? Do you have these memories or answers specific to yourself?

[Flash]

I believe that what is not talked about is often very much in need of being talked about!

Well said, I couldn't agree more.

...um, forgive me if I misunderstood, but was that a "no" to Flash's question (to answer your own question :p)? Do you have these memories or answers specific to yourself?

I do not know to whom your question is addressed , but no, i did not have these expériences myself

[Bob]

Seems to me when back in the old days, the 20's and 30's when the Fed's wanted to break up a criminal group or conspiracy they went after first the petty thugs, let's call them the reptoids for discussion sake, then after getting the local thugs to fess up and turn on their masters (let's call them the insectoids), the action was next to take out the ones who were perpetrating the whole scenario, who kept people in fear paying their "insurance" that they would not be "hit" by the syndicate..

What was realized apparently as far as taking out the whole nest, was to find the leader of the thug based process..

My point here in the above analogy is to simply say maybe reptoids if one believes in reports of hypnosis and abductees, or believes in underground base stories, or anything that is hearsay, and not experienced personally and heck, let's even video document and add in a few group witnesses, add some solid biochemical evidence, maybe DNA evidence too...reptoids are only the lackies at the bottom of the totem pole... seems to me, follow the chain upwards to see who controls the bottom end who are being talked about, and see if the top end controllers are hidden, not talked about or spun out in public "naw it can't possibly be that, could it?" If they are kept hidden and lead away from when anyone tries to see who they are.. maybe there is something there. That some key researchers and key respected reporters have noted the insectoids are present, then these are rapidly shushhed up, me-thinks there is something more there..

ref FBI history of Al Capone, cracking the top dog, head of the food chain, running the lower level syndicate below him in Chicago - http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/history/famous-cases/al-capone

[Chanlo23]

...um, forgive me if I misunderstood, but was that a "no" to Flash's question (to answer your own question :p)? Do you have these memories or answers specific to yourself?

When you (or anyone) remote views into a timensional matrix window, and sees the events/objects there, and later recalls them as a memory, what is it that you are seeing? Are they (or were they) your memories, are they the group's memories, are they implants, are they some synthetic program to get people following some dogma?

I have a memory of watching these prisons being built and 'filled'. I have no memory or feeling of having been in prisons myself other than inspecting them and their operation. I do not know if these memories are personal memories of MINE, that of a builder, a supervisor, a flavor merchant, or a prisoner held in stasis waiting for a cell. Heck, maybe i am just an etheric peeping Jane viewing these lives, events, and memories falling down like so many clothes through an open matix window.

The drawings and descriptions posted earlier resonate strongly with me and these 'memories', so I believe they are pretty accurate as to what the insectoid aliens look like.

I have zero fear or concern or worry about any reptilian or grey or blue or humanesque type that has been described. That insectoid does bother me. I do not think that is a 'friendly' bug. Think about a huge sucking bug slurping away at you. Think about that as an alien invader. That freaks me out. Imagine that is an alien huge cocoon-weaving spider invader and both of them become "one of those things", lets not talk about those things. What is there in those two images to freak anyone out?

PS. Donk, do YOU have any of these memories? Would anyone else here care to RV this?

[donk]

I have zero memories of any past lives, never left my body, cannot imagine remote viewing, didn't feel a trace of anything examining the images...hell I can barely ever remember a fragment of my dreams & only very occasionally...I'm just trying to figure it out is all.

How do you know it's Titan?

PS- Flash I was asking Chanlo, but appreciate it :o thought your question was a good one.

I would definitely RV Titan if I had the ability.

[Chanlo23]

I have zero memories of any past lives, never left my body, cannot imagine remote viewing, didn't feel a trace of anything examining the images...hell I can barely ever remember a fragment of my dreams & only very occasionally...I'm just trying to figure it out is all.

How do you know it's Titan?

PS- Flash I was asking Chanlo, but appreciate it :o thought your question was a good one.
I would definitely RV Titan if I had the ability.

I have about as much recall of past lives as I do of my childhood. I do have trouble recalling what I wore last week however. :)

The easy, short answer to your question is that I know it's Titan, because it's Titan.

The longer answer is that after I RV an event/place, I do a bit of research to check the facts I gathered doing the RV. What I found about Titan 'matched' what I had seen/felt/experienced.

Titan is the largest moon of Saturn. It is the only natural satellite known to have a dense atmosphere, and the only object other than Earth for which clear evidence of stable bodies of surface liquid has been found.

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/science/index.cfm?SciencePageID=73

The Cassini spacecraft has revealed that Titan's surface is shaped by rivers and lakes of liquid ethane and methane (the main component of natural gas), which forms clouds and occasionally rains from the sky as water does on Earth. Winds sculpt vast regions of dark, hydrocarbon-rich dunes that girdle the moon's equator and low latitudes. Volcanism may occur as well, but with liquid water as the lava.

On its journey to Saturn, Cassini carried the European-built Huygens probe. On Jan. 14, 2005, Huygens achieved humankind's first landing on a body in the Outer Solar System when it parachuted through Titan's murky skies. Huygens took measurements of atmospheric composition and wind speeds during its decent, along with an incredible series of images showing telltale patterns of erosion by flowing liquid.

Of course, if we were thinking that free oxygen is needed for whatever that insectoid needed, we might think Jupiter's moon Europa would have been the place RV'd, but "looking" towards the big "thing" in the sky, the image appears to have a large ring - closest image to that would be Saturn.. Titan orbits Saturn, so that's the logic behind interpreting the RV image.

RV'ing can feel/seem like an Out-of-Body experience (which I have had) OR it can be an experience of learning to focus "within", turning off external disruptive dialog, sensory stimulation, distractive sounds, and then allowing the focus of the mind to "go or look or be at" and then to start to note what appears to be present. Practice allows for honing those skills.

This second type is my method of RVing. (I found myself on Titan looking at these prisons because I had decided to 'look at' the myth of Osiris. I found a beingness calling itself Osiris in one of those prisons.)

[Bob]

:bump:

there's starting to be a bit of discussion on the Forum about the "who's" who are doing the manipulating, of the "whom's", both alive and afterwards, the "harvesting".

What we started to get into here was the essence of "High Magic", "Low Magic" - the use of life force for the accomplishment of "goals".. We didn't fully develop yet the WHOM's, or the HOW's (yet)..

(To Be Continued)..

[donk]

Who--um, whom?? Where and when? Wait....WHAT??

I think I only answered the "why" adequately for myself, and really that's cuz I just accept it's a mindset I'll never truly comprehend or completely empathize with...I been looking at the how, don't ya need that to figure out the "whom"?

All I know is that I'm sick of puzzles and mystery and deception and games, I'm ready for some data (you know, the real data behind the data behind the illusion). Somebody knows, someone acts, someone decides...I'm starting to believe truth tends toward freedom, light can't be contained (in time, not forever, not for long even), and light is just information that is true in my reality.

Our light's been pretty constantly tainted for a long time, that's what I thought the result of "low magic" is. But "high magic", all magic, can be tainted by intent...we need some light distillation methods.

[Bob]

I think that is where Budge's material may be of interest. I don't suppose you have ever been to Egypt personally, saw things in the Museums there that peeked your curiosity? Ever wonder why they used amulets, created temples that changed one's "mindset" when in them? Why were they doing that? Why was there some "leader" who ruled the earthly surface planes, and those who ruled the underworld and those who ruled the stars? Why did they have to come to terms with all that? Was it just "belief", superstition, or something deeper which is still carried out today, by cults, by those in power, by the locals and powerful to seek favor of the "gods" or the "fates".. Just what are those things that folks seem to be trying to get in touch?

ref: http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/woe/woe08.htm

(Budge - CHAPTER VI EGYPTIAN MAGIC)

[Bob]

In this thread, I posted:
"to summarize, the mysticism, no matter "who" believes they have the most powerful "power" technique, be it technological, purely spiritual, or "et-mixed methods", still gets down to a control of another for some "use"..

The basic quantum question being asked, and has been asked, over the ages, is "why control another", and that has never been solved.. what does "controlling another" do for one which hasn't ever been solved.

"and it will go on, and on, in this game or that, until that is answered.. then we move to the next question to be asked, and pondered, and maybe solved.. and so we learn."

With the "Magic", the mysticism, the earlier questions should be addressing: one seeking to control others, to control the environment, to eventually control the "gods"... one can't get there until one can "control oneself." Cast that in stone.

Is the mystic, a sociopath, a psychopath, psychotic or sane? there are many posts detailing those questions, those thoughts and what paths the different behaviours have lead. If the search is for the ultimate personal power, for what purpose? Can't solve that, can't get to the next steps..

Here below, Hermes is in contact with Osiris, and one should find within the essence and messages of the dialog:

ONE day, Hermes, after reflecting on the origin of things, fell asleep. A dull torpor took possession of his body; but in proportion as the latter grew benumbed, his spirit ascended into space. Then an immense being, of indeterminate form, seemed to call him by name.

"Who art thou?" said the terrified Hermes.

"I am Osiris, the sovereign Intelligence who is able to unveil all things. What desirest thou?"

"To behold the source of beings, O divine Osiris, and to know God."

"Thou shalt be satisfied."

Immediately Hermes felt himself plunged in a delicious light. In its pellucid billows passed the ravishing forms of all beings. Suddenly, a terrifying encircling darkness descended upon him.

Hermes was in a humid chaos, filled with smoke and with a heavy, rumbling sound.

Then a voice rose from the abyss, the cry of light. At once a quick-leaping flame darted forth from the humid depths, reaching to the ethereal heights.

Hermes ascended with it, and found himself again in the expanse of space. Order began to clear up chaos in the abyss; choruses of constellations spread above his head and the voice of light filled infinity.

"Dost thou understand what thou hast seen?" said Osiris to Hermes, bound down in his dream and suspended between earth and sky.

"No," said Hermes.

"Thou wilt now learn. Thou hast just seen what exists from all eternity. The light thou didst first see is the divine intelligence which contains all things in potentiality, enclosing the models of all beings. The darkness in which thou wast afterwards plunged is the material world on which the men of earth live. But the fire thou didst behold shooting forth from the depths, is the divine Word. God is the Father, the Word is the son, and their union is Life."

"What marvellous sense has opened out to me?" asked Hermes. "I no longer see with the eyes of the body, but with those of the spirit. How has that come to pass?"

"Child of dust," replied Osiris, "it is because the Word is in thee. That in thee which hears, sees, and acts is the Word itself, the sacred fire, the creative utterance!"

"Since things are so," said Hermes, "grant that I may see the light of the worlds; the path of souls from which man comes and to which he returns."

"Be it done according to thy desire."

Hermes became heavier than a stone and fell through space like a meteorite. Finally he reached the summit of a mountain. It was night, the earth was gloomy and deserted, and his limbs seemed as heavy as iron.

"Raise thine eyes and look!" said the voice of Osiris.

Then Hermes saw a wonderful sight.

The starry heavens, stretching through infinite space, enveloped him with seven luminous spheres.

In one glance, Hermes saw the seven heavens stretching above his head, tier upon tier, like seven transparent and concentric globes, the sidereal centre of which he now occupied.

The milky way formed the girdle of the last. In each sphere there rolled a planet accompanied by a genius of different form, sign and light.

Whilst Hermes, dazzled by the sight, was contemplating their wide-spread efflorescence and majestic movements, the voice said to him:

"Look, listen, and understand. Thou seest the seven spheres of all life. Through them is accomplished the fall and ascent of souls. The seven genii are the seven rays of the word-light. Each of them commands one sphere of the spirit, one phase of the life of souls. The one nearest to thee is the Genius of the Moon, with his disquieting smile and crown of silver sickle. He presides over births and deaths, sets free souls from bodies and draws them into his ray. Above him, pale Mercury points out the path to ascending or descending souls with his caduceus, which contains all knowledge. Higher still, shining Venus holds the mirror of love, in which souls forget and recognize them in turn. Above her, the Genius of the Sun raises the triumphal torch of eternal beauty. At a yet loftier height, Mars brandishes the sword of justice. Enthroned on the azure sphere, Jupiter holds the sceptre of supreme power, which is divine intelligence. At the boundaries of the world, beneath the signs of the Zodiac, Saturn bears the globe of universal wisdom.

"I see," said Hermes, "the seven regions which comprise the visible and invisible world; I see the seven rays of the word-light, of the one God who traverses them and governs them by these rays. Still, O master, how does mankind journey through all these worlds?"

"Dost thou see," said Osiris, "a luminous seed fall from the regions of the milky way into the seventh sphere? These are germs of souls. They live like faint vapors in the region of Saturn, gay and free from care, knowing not their own happiness. On falling from sphere to sphere, however, they put on increasingly heavier envelopes. In each incarnation they acquire a new corporeal sense, in harmony with the surroundings in which they are living. Their vital energy increases, but in proportion as they enter into denser bodies they lose the memory of their celestial origin. Thus is effected the fall of souls which come from the divine ether. Ever more and more captivated by matter and intoxicated by life, they fling themselves like a rain of fire, with quivering of voluptuous delight, through the regions of grief, love, and death, right into their earthly prison where thou thyself lamentest, held down by the fiery center of the earth, and where divine life appears to thee nothing more than an empty dream."

"Can souls die?" asked Hermes.

"Yes," replied the voice of Osiris, "many perish in the fatal descent. The soul is the daughter of heaven, and its journey is a test. If it loses the memory of its origin, in its unbridled love of matter, the divine spark which was in it and which might have become more brilliant than a star, returns to the ethereal region, a lifeless atom, and the soul disaggregates in the vortex of gross elements."

Hermes shuddered at these words, for a raging tempest enveloped him in a black mist. The seven spheres disappeared beneath dense vapors. In them he saw human spectres uttering strange cries, carried off and torn by phantoms of monsters and animals, amidst nameless groans and blasphemies.

"Such is the destiny," said Osiris, "of souls irremediably base and evil. Their torture finishes only with their destruction, which includes the loss of all consciousness. The vapors are now dispersing, the seven spheres reappear beneath the firmament. Look on this side. Do you see this swarm of souls trying to mount once more to the lunar regions? Some are beaten back to earth like eddies of birds beneath the might of the tempest. The rest with mighty wings reach the upper sphere, which draws them with it as it rotates. Once they have come to this sphere, they recover their vision of divine things. This time, however, they are not content to reflect them in the dream of a powerless happiness; they become impregnated thereby with the lucidity of a grief-enlightened consciousness, the energy of a will acquired through struggle and strife. They become luminous, for they possess the divine in themselves and radiate it in their acts. Strengthen therefore thy soul, O Hermes! calm thy darkened mind by contemplating these distant flights of souls which mount the seven spheres and are scattered about therein like sheaves of sparks. Thou also canst follow them, but a strong will it needs to rise. Look how they swarm and form into divine choruses. Each places itself beneath its favorite genius. The most beautiful dwell in the solar region; the most powerful rise to Saturn. Some ascend to the Father, powers themselves amidst powers. For where everything ends, everything eternally begins; and the seven spheres say together: 'Wisdom! Love! Justice! Beauty! Splendor! Knowledge! Immortality!'"

"This," said the hierophant, "is what ancient Hermes saw and what his successors have handed down to us.

"The words of the wise are like the seven notes of the lyre which contains all music, along with the numbers and the laws of the universe, the vision of Hermes resembles the starry heaven, whose unfathomable depths are strewn with constellations. For the child this is nothing more than a gold-studded vault, for the sage it is boundless space in which worlds revolve, with their wonderful rhythms and cadences. The vision contains the eternal numbers, evoking signs and magic keys. The more thou learnest to contemplate and understand it, the farther thou shalt see its limits extend, for the same organic law governs all worlds."

The prophet of the temple commented on the sacred text. He explained that the doctrine of the word-light represents divinity in the static condition, in its perfect balance. He showed its triple nature, which is at once intelligence, force, and matter; spirit, soul, and body; light, word, and life. Essence, manifestation, and substance are three terms which take each other for granted. Their union constitutes the divine and intellectual principle par excellence, the law of the ternary unity which governs creation from above downwards.

Having thus led his disciple to the ideal center of the universe, the generating principle of Being, the master spread him abroad in time and space in a multiple efflorescence.

For a second part of the vision represents divinity in the dynamic condition, i.e., in active evolution; in other terms, the visible and invisible universe, the living heavens.

The seven spheres attached to the seven planets symbolize seven principles, seven different states of matter and spirit, seven different worlds which each man and each humanity are forced to pass through in their evolution across a solar system.

The seven genii or the seven cosmogonic gods signify the superior, directing spirits of all spheres, the off spring themselves of inevitable evolution.

To an initiate of old, therefore, each great god was the symbol and patron of legions of spirits which reproduced his type in a thousand varieties, and which, from their own sphere, could exercise their action over mankind and terrestrial things. The seven genii of the vision of Hermes are the seven Devas of India, the seven Amshapands of Persia, the seven great Angels of Chaldæa, the seven Sephiroths of the Kabbala, the seven Archangels of the Christian Apocalypse.

The great septenary which enfolds the universe does not vibrate in the seven colors of the rainbow and the seven notes of the scale, only; it also manifests itself in the constitution of man, which is triple in essence, but sevenfold in its evolution.

"Thus," said the hierophant in conclusion, "thou hast reached the very threshold of the great arcanum.

"The divine life has appeared to thee beneath the phantoms of reality.

"Hermes has unfolded to thee the invisible heavens, the light of Osiris, the hidden God of the universe who breathes in millions of souls and animates thereby the wandering globes and working bodies.

"It is now thine to direct thy path and choose the road leading to the pure spirit.

"Henceforth dost thou belong to those who have been brought back from death to life. REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE TWO MAIN KEYS TO KNOWLEDGE. This is the first: 'The without is like the within of things; the small is like the large; there is only one law and he who works is One. In the divine economy, there is nothing either great or small.' And this is the second: 'Men are mortal gods and gods are immortal men.' Happy is the man who understands these words, for he holds the key to all things.

"Remember that the law of mystery veils the great truth.

"Total knowledge can be revealed only to our brethren who have gone through the same trials as ourselves.

"Truth must be measured according to intelligence; it must be veiled from the feeble, whom it would madden, and concealed from the wicked, who are capable of seizing only its fragments, which they would turn into weapons of destruction. Keep it in thy heart and let it speak through thy work. Knowledge will be thy might, faith thy sword, and silence thy armor that cannot be broken."

The Vision of Hermes is found at the beginning of the books of Hermes Trismegistus, under the name of Poimandres. The ancient Egyptian tradition has come down to us only in a slightly changed Alexandrian form. It has been attempted to constitute this important fragment of Hermetic doctrine in the sense of the lofty initiation and esoteric synthesis it represents.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

this thread got interesting (and deep!) fast!

In another thread we were actually talking a bit about methanogens, methane based life that is hypothetical but thought to exist on methane-rich planets and moons (like Titan).

You know what's scary about that, is scientists think that life isn't as apt to "break down" on a methane planet as it would in the presence of corrosive (!) H20.
Which means that places like Titan have potential for more complex (not necessarily "older" but more advanced!) life forms -- more than our own planet might, given the right conditions.

I can see how people might have telepathic experiences with certain of these potential entities, who are broadcasting their "life signs" from perhaps very far away!

p.s. Chanlo, I should have thought a little harder before dismissing some of what you are saying.... because if humans take Titan, if there is life on that moon, it will become our prisoner :(

[Flash]

i had never read Hermes, WOW

Everything is there, the whole paths in a few paragraphs and the destiny of those who do not make it.

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this thread got interesting (and deep!) fast!

In another thread we were actually talking a bit about methanogens, methane based life that is hypothetical but thought to exist on methane-rich planets and moons (like Titan).

You know what's scary about that, is scientists think that life isn't as apt to "break down" on a methane planet as it would in the presence of corrosive (!) H20.
Which means that places like Titan have potential for more complex (not necessarily "older" but more advanced!) life forms -- more than our own planet might, given the right conditions.

I can see how people might have telepathic experiences with certain of these potential entities, who are broadcasting their "life signs" from perhaps very far away!

p.s. Chanlo, I should have thought a little harder before dismissing some of what you are saying.... because if humans take Titan, if there is life on that moon, it will become our prisoner :(

Simon Parkes says that Reptilian do not breath oxygens like us. They can be on earth on a very limited time and with help, because they do not breath oxygen.

Interesting really.


Simon: 1) Grey between 12,000 - 22, 000 active Draco less than 1,000, earth type humans very many thousands.
2) yes
3) Greys don't require what you require - draco requires more heat than you and they don't breath oxygen

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=774868&viewfull=1#post774868

[Bob]

If you look close in the messages of Hermes listening to Osirus, "the one nearest to thee is the Genius of the Moon, with his disquieting smile and crown of silver sickle. He presides over births and deaths, sets free souls from bodies and draws them into his ray."

This would be the "insectoid" with his small disquieting smile where he captures the souls, drawing them into his "ray", and placing them into his sphere.. Really kinda gives one some inner insight through the poetry how folks explained the mechanism of these things - and the reference to the Saturnian.. :) the trading of power, tied through the soul (word-based life)..

In my travels to Egypt during the late 80's one of the "Osirian" levels of initiation that I received, the "Word" was the key understanding, to be able to see how it applied to life and life-matter interaction, and to experience and know it fully, in all aspects... As Osiris describes how the "overall matrix" for lack of better words is put together, and how one fits into it is pretty accurate, considering my own interpretation of what it was like for me.. A point on the initiations, once in possession of the knowledge, one either "leaves at that point" (generally one has about a year to get one's affairs in order), as there is no reason to stick around at that point, or one decides to "seek more light" and work with folks who are going through the steps sincerely.

[donk]

Who would "he" (do these insectoids have genders like ours?) "trade power" with?

[Flash]

If you look close in the messages of Hermes listening to Osirus, "the one nearest to thee is the Genius of the Moon, with his disquieting smile and crown of silver sickle. He presides over births and deaths, sets free souls from bodies and draws them into his ray."

This would be the "insectoid" with his small disquieting smile where he captures the souls, drawing them into his "ray", and placing them into his sphere.. Really kinda gives one some inner insight through the poetry how folks explained the mechanism of these things - and the reference to the Saturnian.. :) the trading of power, tied through the soul (word-based life)..

In my travels to Egypt during the late 80's one of the "Osirian" levels of initiation that I received, the "Word" was the key understanding, to be able to see how it applied to life and life-matter interaction, and to experience and know it fully, in all aspects... As Osiris describes how the "overall matrix" for lack of better words is put together, and how one fits into it is pretty accurate, considering my own interpretation of what it was like for me.. A point on the initiations, once in possession of the knowledge, one either "leaves at that point" (generally one has about a year to get one's affairs in order), as there is no reason to stick around at that point, or one decides to "seek more light" and work with folks who are going through the steps sincerely.

I see your thinking, or feeling, but I cannot completely agree with it (in parts yes), something is bugging me and I cannot quite put the hand on it. May be it will come just through expressing the bugging part???

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Who would "he" (do these insectoids have genders like ours?) "trade power" with?

Extraordinary quesiton, solve that riddle and we may solve the prison planet theme.

[Bob]

Who would "he" (do these insectoids have genders like ours?) "trade power" with?

There's the search then - who "buys" souls. What worth do souls have.

In the Catecombs all through out Egypt where I visited, the trapped animal souls provided "life force" to act like our modern "batteries". In Dark Magic, life force manipulation provided the power to affect other life systems. (Like can control like I believe was the logic). In ritual sacrifice these days, the conjurer tries to gain the favor of other disembodied disincarnates to obtain manifestation of the desires of the conjurer.

The one who keeps the souls for the "power use" has the commerce.

[Flash]

Who would "he" (do these insectoids have genders like ours?) "trade power" with?

There's the search then - who "buys" souls. What worth do souls have.

In the Catecombs all through out Egypt where I visited, the trapped animal souls provided "life force" to act like our modern "batteries". In Dark Magic, life force manipulation provided the power to affect other life systems. (Like can control like I believe was the logic). In ritual sacrifice these days, the conjurer tries to gain the favor of other disembodied disincarnates to obtain manifestation of the desires of the conjurer.

The one who keeps the souls for the "power use" has the commerce.

wow, very interesting, please pursue. Reptoid or others would trap the souls to use as a power house for their own needs on one hand and the humans conjurers or satanists or other would get souls to give in exchange for manifestation of their desires or their power base.

The is also the theory that human emotions are used as a drug by the reptiles Dracos. So, depending on the race, different usage or multiple usage when the races are paired together.

Souls, of human quality, would be the universal gold and merchants preying targets.

[Bob]

Who would "he" (do these insectoids have genders like ours?) "trade power" with?

There's the search then - who "buys" souls. What worth do souls have.

In the Catecombs all through out Egypt where I visited, the trapped animal souls provided "life force" to act like our modern "batteries". In Dark Magic, life force manipulation provided the power to affect other life systems. (Like can control like I believe was the logic). In ritual sacrifice these days, the conjurer tries to gain the favor of other disembodied disincarnates to obtain manifestation of the desires of the conjurer.

The one who keeps the souls for the "power use" has the commerce.

wow, very interesting, please pursue. Reptoid or others would trap the souls to use as a power house for their own needs on one hand and the humans conjurers or satanists or other would get souls to give in exchange for manifestation of their desires or their power base.

The is also the theory that human emotions are used as a drug by the reptiles Dracos. So, depending on the race, different usage or multiple usage when the races are paired together.

Souls, of human quality, would be the universal gold and merchants preying targets.

I think you have said it very well. I think it ties in the reasons even living humans are used by tptb. Without the animated body, life force captured is like a seed without a program, able to spring forth with the conjurers' desire. A real seed though, evolves into the DNA program which is it's guidance. The life force evokes the manifestation, pulls in the matter, the form grows into the desired intended program.

very well done connecting the dots.

[Flash]

check this for fun, my correspond to Titan, who knows


Hey Truman,
Yes, but only as part of a short history lesson, the device or station is totally automated, it has " robotic" engineers and no grey is allowed into the " decision centre" but greys are allowed in the general maintenance area.
the device is within the solour system but is not on earth, it is incredibly well hidden and defensively shielded.
Simon

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=787579&viewfull=1#post787579

[Bob]

sounds logical Flash - automated.

it sure would be funny if the entry password was:

"Abandon all hope ye who enter here.."

Tesla, (Niki) I seem to recall had that message above the door on one of his labs, of course it is from Dante's Inferno.. a signpost demarking the pathway ahead leads into Hell.


"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5778031/il_570xN.131500008.jpg

[Bob]

Pointing out TrumanCash's thread here as relevant to this Prisoner's of Titan thread.. Mantis implanters, the "jailers" synonymous with the "mantis ET-like" picture early in this thread. The "implant station" talked about being on Titan (i.e. prisoners of Titan's implanters, or keepers). http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions&p=599472&viewfull=1#post599472 TLC goes over some great points about the history. Do read the early posts in that thread to put it in context.. Thanks Truman for bringing it all out.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65355-Prisoners-of-Titan&p=756929&viewfull=1#post756929 - has picture of the mantis flavor merchant, implanter, keeper, retriever of "souls"

[Bob]

check this for fun, my correspond to Titan, who knows


Hey Truman,
Yes, but only as part of a short history lesson, the device or station is totally automated, it has " robotic" engineers and no grey is allowed into the " decision centre" but greys are allowed in the general maintenance area.
the device is within the solour system but is not on earth, it is incredibly well hidden and defensively shielded.
Simon

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=787579&viewfull=1#post787579

Just a reiterating Flash on that - Truman's pointing out in his Matrix Thread ( http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions&p=599472&viewfull=1#post599472 ) and the Mantis ET's ties in directly to this thread. Chanlo and I back in the 1995 window as was Truman apparently, were exploring who the heck these "mantis-ET's" implanters are, looking more at what and how they do the implanting (technologically) and how can a spiritual beingness be held captured (in what illusion).. Some of that has been discussed in this thread - One of the last questions asked in Truman's Matrix thread (and not covered) was the question about understanding "Magic". True spiritual creation magic, from the concept to actualization, quantum holographic manifestation - way past any negative gain OT clearing stuff.. We started touching on that too in this thread.

[Bob]

I have had a long standing interest in Egypt, and specifically Osiris.
Back in the eighties I spent a lot of time on memory recovery techniques.

In one session I was dealing with a memory of entering this system and was captured
and took on the identity of Jehovah.

I am pretty sure the techniques we were using were not up to the task of resolving whatever real phenomena
was occurring at the time.

I also ran into similar things with the greek pantheon, and have run into various people whom I "felt" were this figure or that,
from various mythologies and religions.

There is one person that I ran into that was fully convinced that i was Osiris, and there were other people in that group that
I felt were other Gods and Goddesses from Egypt.

At this point I feel rather sheepish about these feelings, but I am sure there are hidden causes for this phenomenon.
At times these ideas come up and I receive little insights about them.

One such idea was that I had picked up these "memories", or connections as part of a process of phasing into the space time continuum of this planet.

I do not have any physical life type memories of any of this, and no astral ones that have any substance.
So the descriptions of the prisons etc, do not really bring up anything for me other than that Saturn is highly significant
in holding beings into this system.

After reading this thread though, and making connections with my experiences
I think that the subject of clearing these memories, or whatever they really are
is very important to changing how things are done on this planet.

jf

Hi JF - just re-reading this thread to see where I could add some more data.

Having read TrumanCash's thread Matrix Revealed, and some of the last posts in particular, he mentions techniques developed by Dr. Gerbode.

It seems to me that may be a great way to get involved with sessions that can track more into understanding what's in the matrix, either social/group, ET, or personal..

see: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions&p=790001#post790001

As has been discussed at different times... with various older "Book One" or "coffee-shop" processing, one can get a lot of gain and release and insight. There are things called self-improvement "lists" when run completely to EP (end phenomenon), one can get amazing clarity, insights and ability. There are many folks on the Forum who could point you to those lists.. Ask TrumanCash maybe as a start.

I was thinking a real-time chat program (not SKYPE or things like that), even in a group session could occur where participants lead by a great Facilitator could work. Setting up a sub-forum for such things is possible here..

[Flash]

yes, i would very much like such sub forums, voice sub forums, for specific purposes. I would see it for the hylozoic group too.

[johnf]

Hi JF - just re-reading this thread to see where I could add some more data.

Having read TrumanCash's thread Matrix Revealed, and some of the last posts in particular, he mentions techniques developed by Dr. Gerbode.

It seems to me that may be a great way to get involved with sessions that can track more into understanding what's in the matrix, either social/group, ET, or personal..

see: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions&p=790001#post790001

As has been discussed at different times... with various older "Book One" or "coffee-shop" processing, one can get a lot of gain and release and insight. There are things called self-improvement "lists" when run completely to EP (end phenomenon), one can get amazing clarity, insights and ability. There are many folks on the Forum who could point you to those lists.. Ask TrumanCash maybe as a start.

I was thinking a real-time chat program (not SKYPE or things like that), even in a group session could occur where participants lead by a great Facilitator could work. Setting up a sub-forum for such things is possible here..

As I understand it TIR is dianetic techniques that are reworded. What is being done with this beyond the state of clear? The only stuff that I have heard of that can really deal with this sort of thing is the Ron's Org techniques, Excalibur mainly.

JohnF

[Bob]

Hia John - I would ask Truman on that. I haven't tried the TIR technique, but book 1 dianetics done right was pretty powerful. I speak from experience with John Galusha who was basically the developer with Hubbard. I spent a lot of time with John.. Wonderful soul.

[TrumanCash]

Hi JF - just re-reading this thread to see where I could add some more data.

Having read TrumanCash's thread Matrix Revealed, and some of the last posts in particular, he mentions techniques developed by Dr. Gerbode.

It seems to me that may be a great way to get involved with sessions that can track more into understanding what's in the matrix, either social/group, ET, or personal..

see: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions&p=790001#post790001

As has been discussed at different times... with various older "Book One" or "coffee-shop" processing, one can get a lot of gain and release and insight. There are things called self-improvement "lists" when run completely to EP (end phenomenon), one can get amazing clarity, insights and ability. There are many folks on the Forum who could point you to those lists.. Ask TrumanCash maybe as a start.

I was thinking a real-time chat program (not SKYPE or things like that), even in a group session could occur where participants lead by a great Facilitator could work. Setting up a sub-forum for such things is possible here..

As I understand it TIR is dianetic techniques that are reworded. What is being done with this beyond the state of clear? The only stuff that I have heard of that can really deal with this sort of thing is the Ron's Org techniques, Excalibur mainly.

JohnF

It is my understanding that TIR is not simply dianetic techniques reworded and the TIR people definitely distance themselves from being associated with dianetics or scientology. The developer of TIR and Metapsychology,Dr. Frank A. Gerbode (http://www.tir.org/research_pub/bios/gerbode.html), is actually psychiatrist. This web page (http://www.tir.org/about-amp.html) explains the source of TIR--Carl Rogers and Sigmund Freud. The quote from Freud shown on that page shows that Freud knew about earlier similar incidents in a chain sometimes needing to be addressed all the way down to the earliest incident on the chain. Hubbard actually admitted that he got this from Freud. So one might say more accurately that TIR and dianetics have the same source--Freud.

Yes, you are right that above clear the only options (of which I am aware) outside corporate $cientology are FreeZone and independent scientologists.

I have found that the work of David Mayo in accurately organizing and condensing LRH discoveries (re OT levels) into easy-to-learn books is a great improvement upon the way the C of $ presents the material. For example, I have compared Hubbard's handwritten materials (copies, of course) and bulletins against David Mayo's "Advanced Ability III" how-to book on the subject and they are identical, except that Mayo has made it easier and faster to learn. (No wonder he was kicked out of the church--he was doing a great job!)

Clearbird (http://freezoneearth.org/Clearbird/Clearbird2004/index.htm) is another good source of easier to learn materials on the lower levels including clear and solo I.

Truman