View Full Version : Who, really, is Barack Obama? THIS APPEARS TO BE THE TRUTH.
Bill Ryan
15th November 2013, 17:35
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From http://infowars.com/mancow-muller-obama-is-an-actor-trained-by-harry-lennix
Obama is an Actor Trained by Harry Lennix
During an appearance on the Alex Jones Show [yesterday], Chicago radio host Eric ‘Mancow’ Muller revealed that actor Harry Lennix told him he was hired to train Obama how to look presidential by mimicking the actor’s demeanor and body language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mITcRDr2Sk
Lennix, who was born and grew up in Chicago, gave frequent lectures before he became an actor, while also teaching music and civics in the Chicago Public School system. Lennix is best known for his role in the recent Superman: Man of Steel movie and his part as White House Chief of Staff in the ABC television series Commander in Chief.
Muller, who knew Obama in Chicago before he became president, said Lennix told him that, “He was the actor hired to teach Obama to be Harry Lennix – watch The Blacklist and you can see Obama – this is an actor that we hired in our president.”
“He’s leaving our studio and sees a cut-out of Obama, and says: ‘He’s a rat bastard’ – oh, because I’m black, I have to like Obama,” said Muller.
“He says: 'Mancow, do I remind you of him?… Barack Obama is me, you’ve seen me on TV, you’ve seen me on movies. He is me.' ”
Mancow says Lennix told him, “He mimicked me, he followed me for years, and they wanted me to train him and teach him how to act….like an educated south side African-American,” adding that Lennix thought Obama was “very stupid” and had “been taught to act like this.”
Mancow’s producer, who also witnessed the conversation, confirmed its veracity and added that Lennix said the only person who knows Obama better than him is Michelle Obama.
Mancow expressed the hope that he wouldn’t get Lennix in trouble for revealing the conversation, fearing that the actor could now face an audit. He also revealed that Lennix said he knew Obama would be president from at least 1998 if not earlier.
Anyone familiar with Lennix’s body language and general behavior will notice the remarkable resemblance between his demeanor and that of Barack Obama. As this photo illustrates, the two met when Obama was a Senator-elect back in 2005.
Given that one of the few things Obama has received widespread plaudits for since he came to office is his slick adeptness at reading a teleprompter, the claim doesn’t seem that outrageous.
Indeed, there has been a sustained call for Harry Lennix to play Obama in a movie biopic given their striking similarities.
Later in the interview, which can be viewed above, Muller also reveals how he was offered over $9 million dollars by a major corporation for a three year radio deal to “lean towards and promote Obama,” but flatly refused the proposal.
The video below illustrates how Harry Lennix’s demeanor is remarkably similar to that of Barack Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQZQWfsGEEA
The above was copied from today's Infowars article. (http://infowars.com/mancow-muller-obama-is-an-actor-trained-by-harry-lennix) It's WELL worth listening to the segment in its entirety. Note the important fact that Obama told Lennix that he'd known as early as 1998 that he would be President.
Mancow expressed his concern on the show that he didn't want to get Lennix into any trouble, emphasizing that Lennix, a good personal friend, was an extremely fine man and that he hoped that what he had shared, off-air with all of Mancow's production crew, was not intended to be formally off-record.
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Not only that! But in the last couple of weeks, an American woman from Hawaii, Mia Marie Pope, has come forward on several radio shows revealing exactly what Obama (then named Barry Soetoro, apparently from Mombasa, Kenya) was like as a teenager.
Mia Pope knew him quite well, and having given Obama the benefit of the doubt for as long as she could, has eventually decided to speak out openly.
The best of these interviews is probably the first, which is this one. I'd VERY HIGHLY RECOMMEND that everyone should watch or listen to this.
https://avalonlibrary.net/Manning_Report_Interview_with_Mia_Marie_Pope_on_Barry_Saetoro_Nov_2013.mp4
It's extremely important, and there's absolutely no reason to doubt what Mia Pope is saying:
that Obama was a foreign student who was unaccountably fast-tracked into Hawaii's most prestigious school.
that he was 100% openly gay (with a number of elder, white consorts, who seemed to be supplying him with drugs).
that he bragged openly about his cocaine habits.
that when he was a teenager he was a known pathological liar.
Now: be prepare for the organized, state debunking machine to get to work -- FAST -- to ridicule and smear her. It's absolutely clear to me that Mia Pope is telling the the entire truth of her experience with no exaggeration or distortion. She is intelligent, articulate, measured, and has the highest integrity and courage. Listen to her interview (the YouTube video (https://youtube.com/watch?v=0F5LlFhp1a4) above), and be amazed. (Maybe very amazed.)
norman
15th November 2013, 17:50
If he was groomed for the act/job, over a long time plan, it seems to me that 'they' wanted him to be the last one and to take the full racial smack on the jaw in history.
An "IN" joke among a little group of sicko white old men.
Operator
15th November 2013, 17:55
Ahh, Reagan was an actor too. In fact, they are all actors to me ! :p
Nasu
15th November 2013, 17:57
Thank you Bill, this is gold.. But like sheriff Joe's investigation of the birth cert, will it impeach, will it change anything do you think? My hope is yes but my gut says no... N
RMorgan
15th November 2013, 17:58
Hey Bill,
I don't really doubt this hypothesis at all.
I've always been very intrigued about how a man with such a small political history could be elected president of the most powerful country in the world...
Maybe, whoever is really in control thought that, if they want a puppet president, it would be better to cut the nonsense and get a real actor...It's a very practical and straightforward strategy.
It's much easier to create a puppet from scratch, creating a completely new character shaped exactly as they want, than to reshape someone with a real personality and genuine political convictions.
Although, even if someone comes up with concrete and undeniable evidence about it, most people wouldn't ever believe that such gigantic conspiracy is possible.
Anyway, it's not uncommon to hire professional acting coaches to teach politicians and other public people how to look and gesticulate better in front of cameras. This happens everywhere, all over the world. There are companies specialized in this line of work.
As an example, the famous actor Jeff Corey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Corey), personally coached John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton and some real acting professionals such as Jack Nicholson, Steven Spielberg, Robin Williams, Sean Penn and others...
Raf.
Joe Akulis
15th November 2013, 18:08
Wonder where the other grooms are, and if any of them are in public office already...
This could be a special case, where a special time period required a good plant.
Could also be that this is one part of a larger project to maximize the potential of having a marionette in the White House throughout as many presidencies as possible.
Nasu
15th November 2013, 18:10
Hey Bill,
I don't really doubt this hypothesis at all.
Anyway, even if someone comes up with concrete and undeniable evidence about it, most people wouldn't ever believe that such gigantic conspiracy is possible.
Raf.
But that's the point of this place, this signal, this chat, isn't it? That most people won't want to hear this anymore than they would want to hear that. For those few who do, however, this adds several parts and layers of the jigsaw together, from the types of circles needed to grow within their ranks, to usefull personality traits and more. My thoughts are for those with eyes to see, or ears to hear, cometh the hour cometh the man, or woman, my hope is it will be posted far and wide. Perhaps with sheriff Joe's hard work, concrete and undeniable evidence, a case could be filed???... N
Ps. This is link to the press conference last year in Arizona for sheriff Joe's input..
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=alVzyfptF80
sheme
15th November 2013, 19:00
America swallowed the hook and put him in power gave their consent. Having lessons is not an unreasonable thing for the most important job in the world is it? This is perfectly reasonable to me and highly probable. Lets face it they must have given the Bush boy loads of lessons.
Mike
15th November 2013, 19:10
this isn't too terribly shocking. as Raf pointed out, acting coaches in Washington aren't uncommon.
truthfully, he's always seemed wooden to me. and if this is the finished product, I'd hate to see how lame he was before the training! ironically, he's often referred to as "smart" and "charismatic". this has always baffled me. listening to him puts me to sleep. always has. Bill Clinton on the other hand - I could listen to him read the phonebook for hours. the guy has charisma coming out of his ears!
Obama's teenage years are kind of irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned. it makes for a juicy interview, but unless he raped or killed during those years, I don't really see how it applies now. most teens experiment with drugs; most teens lie/exaggerate; and many teens explore their sexuality. the fact that he was unaccountably fast tracked into a prestigious school is certainly intriguing, however. it suggests a sort of carefully choreographed "grooming" from an early age.
the "elder, white consorts" make me pause a little. we all know about the homosexual mafia, or the good 'ol boys network, or whatever you wanna call it. I'm not implying anything negative towards homosexuality as we know it - but I am disturbed by it's perverted use by the PTB as a dominance agent, or a sort of subduing training tool, especially in children.
Nasu
15th November 2013, 19:15
America swallowed the hook and put him in power gave their consent. Having lessons is not an unreasonable thing for the most important job in the world is it? This is perfectly reasonable to me and highly probable. Lets face it they must have given the Bush boy loads of lessons.
Did America really though? Cameron is not that far removed, only his past is a little more clear, both groomed is my point. My take is that apart from the small select state electoral votes, no one elected him, the popular vote runs tandem, but does not effect the outcome. Someone witty once said that it dosen't matter who you vote for the government always gets in.. Like England it is my beleaf that in America no one has chosen their leaders in a very long time.. But there is that rule about having to be American to lead them, it was thought important enough to mention.... It wasn't suggestive..
As for lessons, yup your right, it's one of the first steps within the selection and grooming process no doubt, but we can't level that one anywhere outside of our own glass house either, now can we???... N
Maia Gabrial
15th November 2013, 19:16
If looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it can't hide the fact that it's a duck....
Now what does this all say about MICHELLE...? And their daughters? Whose are they REALLY? The plot thickens....
Rocky_Shorz
15th November 2013, 19:19
we all know politicians are puppets, no surprise there, all that is important at this point is knowing who is pulling their strings...
how many wars have we not joined vs started?
who is mad vs who is happy, that's really all we have to go with...
who opened negotiations with Iran that stopped their enrichment disengaging Israel's war?
who has Net&yahoo telling the building commission to reconsider building more homes in the West Bank...
who has more enemies in this divided country than any other living being... America was sheared down the center this last election...
could it be as simple as...
"Clean Energy is no longer Science Fiction..."
Eram
15th November 2013, 19:20
From the very beginning,
Even before Obama was elected, there was something about him that I couldn't put my finger on.
It sort of lingered at the edge of my consciousness, but it never really developed to a real thought.
Now I know what it was.
It was this actor (Harry Lennix) that he reminded me of.
OMG!
onawah
15th November 2013, 19:21
I'm surprised to see anything from Manning of the Manning Report posted on Avalon, a name calling homophobic so-called "Christian" of the worst kind, IMHO.
And I have to say I think Obama doesn't even have to be a very good actor to sound more convincing than Mia Maria Pope.
As for Lennix, there are plenty of black men with the same demeanor; I don't think there's anything very special about that.
Bill Ryan
15th November 2013, 19:22
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Here's what I don't understand.
Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual? Even if they wanted a black President at this time, there must have been many other options. What would have been wrong with Colin Powell?
The risks seem to have been huge. Forged birth certificate, unsavory stories emerging, murders of gay lovers in Chicago, drug history, sexual history... This guy is NOT a hero. It MUST have been known this would all inevitably leak. Surely someone in the elite President-selection group would have said: "Listen, we need a safer option."
Another possibility is that this is a carefully planned set-up. Maybe Obama is already installed with a "kill-switch". That could be to
keep him totally in line (like someone being blackmailed), or
to deliberately discredit him later, at some strategic point not yet reached. Like:
Problem : Obama is outed nationally and globally as a sociopathic fraud, lacking all personal integrity.
Reaction : Public outrage... "This must NEVER happen again"
Solution : Someone is brought in with totally impeccable credentials who seems like a genuine knight in shining armor -- but this time, is the REAL 'Antichrist'.
I welcome all serious ideas. It IS hard to understand why they took this apparent risk.
SilentFeathers
15th November 2013, 19:27
Mancow expressed his concern on the show that he didn't want to get Lennix into any trouble, emphasizing that Lennix, a good personal friend, was an extremely fine man and that he hoped that what he had shared, off-air with all of Mancow's production crew, was not intended to be formally off-record.
If Mancow claims Lennix is such a "good personal friend", then why didn't Mancow call Lennix first and ask him for permission to go public with such "personal comments"??????
We all basically know Obama is a conspiracy theory within many conspiracy theories, that something is totally off with him and he is clouded in "mystery", but now it seems congress and even the public has been given the go ahead to "talk" freely about Obama.
The question is, who is running the anti-Obama propaganda? It wasn't that long ago if anyone basically said something bad about Obama they were destroyed one way or another.....now members even in his own party are speaking out.
I don't think this is just happening for no reason.....but, if any one gets hurt out of this they're probably gonna wish they had ObamaCare to cover the expenses.
Eram
15th November 2013, 19:30
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Here's what I don't understand.
Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual? Even if they wanted a black President at this time, there must have been many other options. What would have been wrong with Colin Powell?
The risks seem to have been huge. Forged birth certificate, unsavory stories emerging, murders of gay lovers in Chicago, drug history, sexual history... This guy is NOT a hero. It MUST have been known this would all inevitably leak. Surely someone in the elite President-selection group would have said: "Listen, we need a safer option."
I think there is enough evidence at this point to believe in the idea that tptb are just so perverted that they can't resist the temptation of doing it all out in the open at the edge of what they believe they can get away with.
Look at the more recent false flags who were so careless dealt with as if they just wanted us to know and laugh at the people who can "see" in the understanding that the masses are still deeply sleeping, not caring and mesmerized with superficial appearances.
SilentFeathers
15th November 2013, 19:35
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Here's what I don't understand.
Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual? Even if they wanted a black President at this time, there must have been many other options. What would have been wrong with Colin Powell?
The risks seem to have been huge. Forged birth certificate, unsavory stories emerging, murders of gay lovers in Chicago, drug history, sexual history... This guy is NOT a hero. It MUST have been known this would all inevitably leak. Surely someone in the elite President-selection group would have said: "Listen, we need a safer option."
Another possibility is that this is a carefully planned set-up. Maybe Obama is already installed with a "kill-switch". That could be to
keep him totally in line (like someone being blackmailed), or
to deliberately discredit him later, at some strategic point not yet reached. Like:
Problem : Obama is outed nationally and globally as a sociopathic fraud, lacking all personal integrity.
Reaction : Public outrage... "This must NEVER happen again"
Solution : Someone is brought in with totally impeccable credentials who seems like a genuine knight in shining armor -- but this time, is the REAL 'Antichrist'.
I welcome all serious ideas. It IS hard to understand why they took this apparent risk.
It was probably a test Bill, they probably figured if they could get away with putting this joker in the White House successfully that they could actually get away with about anything with the American people......well, it worked didn't it? Look at what they got away with since Obama became president.
ghostrider
15th November 2013, 19:37
The bigger picture , to collapse the economy they need a fall guy... what better way to create race division in America than the most powerful country in the world with it's huge military arms everywhere, and most countries dependant on the U.S. economy , they crash it and blame it on an african american ... the rich mad at the poor , the poor mad at the rich , the blacks mad at whites , whites mad at blacks, christians mad at muslims , muslims mad at christians ... they create chaos on every front then people will beg for someone to walk right in and fix everything , and they will follow him without question as to never return the Obama war machine and healthcare ideas ...the whole thing is a movie , a set up , notice most of the bills they pass are known as the patriot ACT , the ACT of 1871 , etc ... all an ACT ... players in a movie on a grand scale ... easy to control someone with a drug habit and shady past that doesn't want to tarnish their image of being the first Black president they gave america so called free healthcare and anti war agenda ... its all a set up ...
LivioRazlo
15th November 2013, 19:38
I remember listening to this yesterday and what Mancow was saying all seemed too eerily true. To me, it doesn't matter anymore - bring on the martial law in America and fulfill the New World Order so I can stop focusing on my education and devote my life to freedom and destroying the NWO.
Nasu
15th November 2013, 19:44
My take is that the rationality of the choice, as you imagine it Bill, would not have been made at the lower levels of rational thinking people. As a young man he fits with the agenda, he was suggestive, he can be sexually motivated and manipulated, likes drugs, wants or rather craves attention, fame. Mother and non involved father have done work for the government, certainly could be coopted or removed. Solid, all American Grandparent anchor. This boys perfect.. The only problem is, he wasn't... Now it all needs cleaning up.... Imagine if they could switch Obama in this Incredible MK Ultra esc Darren Brown show about assassination, no guns, just pens and contracts, the ring tone on his blackberry and Joe Biden's hair, just imagine.. Please give it a watch, well worth your time, IMO, Then you will see what I mean, It could explain alot... N
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=90xfZJQzAhc
DeDukshyn
15th November 2013, 19:49
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Here's what I don't understand.
Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual? Even if they wanted a black President at this time, there must have been many other options. What would have been wrong with Colin Powell?
The risks seem to have been huge. Forged birth certificate, unsavory stories emerging, murders of gay lovers in Chicago, drug history, sexual history... This guy is NOT a hero. It MUST have been known this would all inevitably leak. Surely someone in the elite President-selection group would have said: "Listen, we need a safer option."
Another possibility is that this is a carefully planned set-up. Maybe Obama is already installed with a "kill-switch". That could be to
keep him totally in line (like someone being blackmailed), or
to deliberately discredit him later, at some strategic point not yet reached. Like:
Problem : Obama is outed nationally and globally as a sociopathic fraud, lacking all personal integrity.
Reaction : Public outrage... "This must NEVER happen again"
Solution : Someone is brought in with totally impeccable credentials who seems like a genuine knight in shining armor -- but this time, is the REAL 'Antichrist'.
I welcome all serious ideas. It IS hard to understand why they took this apparent risk.
To more easily control him ... his past must be kept, or he'll be completely destroyed. When they make you something "great" that you are actually the opposite of you have everything to lose if you reveal the truth ... especially if you are and egotistical materialistic type of person.
That seems like a valid reason for me ... I think it was a calculated risk.
onawah
15th November 2013, 19:56
Perhaps they wanted Obama as POTUS with lots of obfuscation for conspiracy theorists to deal with, because MacCain is just too obviously a pawn.
christian
15th November 2013, 19:57
Here's what I don't understand.
Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual?
I think Obama just seemed like a good choice for their purposes. Just the right, twisted, corrupted, two-faced, pathetic liar that a dumbed down public would fall for. Societies always get the teachers, tempters, heroes, and villains that they deserve.
What about all these super-computers and advanced crystal ball technologies to calculate future possibilities, I think that must have played into the decision?
In a way, all the information about Obama's background is not even as important as what he actually does, I think, and hence some kind of distraction. It's all a big, stupid mud fight meant to capture our attention in one way or another, just not in a way that would actually be helpful. This mud fight in and of itself is not the smartest thing to do at all, so all the moves in it must necessarily have something to them which makes you go, "but how can you do something like that when you want to make it work?" They couldn't do it any more professional or efficient, I think, for they want to fill the airwaves with stupid garbage. Anything too clear would remind humanity too much of what clarity actually means, they don't want that.
The notion about having something to possibly blackmail him might very well be important, too.
Rocky_Shorz
15th November 2013, 19:59
according to Sorcha, an assassination attempt was aborted planned for the grid shutdown that would have been going on right now...
the drill was cancelled after locating explosive in the subway system...
Anonymous sent a warning saying a false flag attack was coming, wrong coast, but there must have been many operations moving at once and only one was uncovered...
Peace&Love
15th November 2013, 19:59
Maybe...just maybe...
It is all intended to make us follow the clues so we can feel more secure with ourselves as we bring the information by self observing the picture without being "told" or "disclosed" by the governments which might cause more problems due to helplessness.
This method is directly flawed to make us connect the dots by ourselves and thus slowly (safely) get a clearer picture of where humanity stands.
By figuring things out by ourselves, comparing information, researching, History etc... we are in more control of our reaction towards the outcome of finding out the truth, rather than someone bringing it all on at once.
That's why things make NO sense because its by design. To make us awake and aware and to take more control of the events we orchestrate in our human life.
Maybe... (i welcome any addition or other suggestion that contradict me logically)
Magnus
15th November 2013, 20:00
I would like to make a scientific kind of study on the original picture depicting Barry wearing that strange outfit presented in the Manning report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5LlFhp1a4). Anyone able to provide a link?
Gardener
15th November 2013, 20:13
Wow, hat's off to the folks who bring this stuff down the information chain to lesser mortals like me.
That the person in front of us is a psychopath, does not have a soul, and is not capable of feeling, can not become anything else, cares nothing for another person except what they can gain from that person, and will mimic and use any and all of our finer qualities in an effort to extort that which is required. This is why they are so difficult to identify.
Robert Hare (http://www.hare.org/welcome/) has said that despite his many years studying them he can still be fooled, we look at the psychopath and think they are 'like us' but in fact are 'without conscience' (http://www.amazon.com/Without-Conscience-Disturbing-World-Psychopaths/dp/1572304510)
This is how 'we the people' are fooled also, until some brave souls come out with their experiences with these successful psychopaths we are in the dark. Sheep among wolves. Just as the prison population of failed psychopaths is between 16-30%, the population in the political arena could very well be even higher.
Rocky_Shorz
15th November 2013, 20:14
according to Sorcha, an assassination attempt was aborted planned for the grid shutdown that would have been going on right now...
the drill was cancelled after locating explosive in the subway system...
Anonymous sent a warning saying a false flag attack was coming, wrong coast, but there must have been many operations moving at once and only one was uncovered...
interesting timing on this also...
A nuclear gauge containing radioactive materials tumbled off a pickup truck near Charleston and Lamb boulevards earlier this week, (Nevada) and police are asking the public for help locating the potentially dangerous item. Metro Police said the device, used to measure the density and moisture content of soil by emitting radiation, fell off the truck on Tuesday. Police said the gauge could expose a person to unhealthy doses of radiation if they damage or alter it. It is described as an orange plastic box measuring 14 inches by 9 inches with an electronic keypad display and a metal probe. The gauge weighs 31 pounds and has a handle that extends 22 inches above the base. It is labeled with the word “RADIOACTIVE” and is marked with a radiation symbol. The manufacturer’s name is Campbell Pacific Nuclear, or CPN. The owner, Geo Tek Inc., is offering a reward for anyone who returns the gauge.
Snookie
15th November 2013, 20:15
Hey Bill,
I don't really doubt this hypothesis at all.
I've always been very intrigued about how a man with such a small political history could be elected president of the most powerful country in the world...
Maybe, whoever is really in control thought that, if they want a puppet president, it would be better to cut the nonsense and get a real actor...It's a very practical and straightforward strategy.
It's much easier to create a puppet from scratch, creating a completely new character shaped exactly as they want, than to reshape someone with a real personality and genuine political convictions.
Although, even if someone comes up with concrete and undeniable evidence about it, most people wouldn't ever believe that such gigantic conspiracy is possible.
Anyway, it's not uncommon to hire professional acting coaches to teach politicians and other public people how to look and gesticulate better in front of cameras. This happens everywhere, all over the world. There are companies specialized in this line of work.
As an example, the famous actor Jeff Corey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Corey), personally coached John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton and some real acting professionals such as Jack Nicholson, Steven Spielberg, Robin Williams, Sean Penn and others...
Raf.
Too bad Bush II didn't take advantage of this perk. ;)
Have you ever listened to Obama WITHOUT his TelePrompTer? He stutters and stammers like a goomba.
Rocky_Shorz
15th November 2013, 20:21
maybe this all comes down to bringing the country back together after the deepest division since the civil war...
in a few weeks, suddenly painting the one half the country loves as the villain, it would in a moment break down the walls to bring us back together, was this all just an experiment on manipulation of the public to prepare for the next round that might work?
Gardener
15th November 2013, 20:29
Why him in particular. Some thoughts...... which may lessen the numbers of possible candidates.
He needed to be....
A psychopath, to be able to do what he does.
Black, to sign seal and deliver the racial card.
Have not much credible historical chain of evidence, or that which can be easily whitewashed.
His genetic fingerprint.
The above lessens the potentials:
I also think that his astrological chart would form part of the choice.
Billy
15th November 2013, 20:30
What gets me is the Oscama revelations are not really about the president of the USA. Just another scapegoat when it all falls.
What is more revealing is why are the controlling puppet masters showing their tactics to the masses.
It appears the controllers are setting themselves up to be caught out on purpose.
far to obvious for my own liking.
Agape
15th November 2013, 20:36
So how did he get to that role if he was so much not worth it ?;) It's like you have millions of people are trying more and less successfully , mimic someones behaviour ( oh yes that's what some people really do ) but very few of them actually become Presidents albeit Presidents of US of A .
Secondly , you can really act/play sometimes but you can't act in certain manner 24/7 unless it's you and being president , you can't really escape from being on hotspot so guess it's better to have two, three tricks, gimmicks, in your pocket ..
You have several millions of pathetic liars, frauds, illegal immigrants , and generally , poor human beings in this country except for the top few who don't need or respect any government in the world ...
yet , you voted for one of them who made it all the way to Senators chair ..for trusting he is bit better than the other ones ?
Should they all be 'the same' ? Like sort of archetype where he does not fit in ? Debacle of eugenics ? Alien ?
Possibly and much more .
However, you can vote for Alex Jones, next time . There will be more mess if that Office .
:angel:
spiritguide
15th November 2013, 20:54
We are all to blame for the current conditions for allowing secrecy in the door. We did not allow him to bomb Syria and we want him to ignore Isreal with regards to war with Iran. We are on a world stage and the scenes and acts are playing out there. Obama might be delivering the U.S. but he is not delivering the world, his bosses have that controlled. The vile monster we suspect is of the world and it vampires our energies daily to suceed. The U.S. is a controlled reservation and we are all in it. If we truly want out we better address the treasonous folks in DC and demand Justice. They act according to foreign dictates and monies.
Peace!
Look in the mirror:
We allow homeless families and veterans.
We allow starvation especially of children.
Largest prison population in the world for profit.
A government that looks at it's people as a threat.
Corruption and sedition everywhere.
Who can say they are proud of this mess?
ponda
15th November 2013, 21:14
Bill Ryan said:
Here's what I don't understand.
Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual?
Maybe this might have something to do with it.
http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/gg47516,1264447805,orbama330804285045b6aec.jpg
avid
15th November 2013, 21:25
Long in the past - it would appear that he was 'chosen' by communists to be put in place - from a young age!!!
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/global_elite_picked_obama_171.html
During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid-1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow in the process of starting a software development, joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community.
One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M. V. was a levelheaded scientist, while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing communist cause.
Early in 1992, the American half of our venture was invited to V. & T.’s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge—one her husband tried to quietly rein in.
The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:
“You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven’t you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice president and you didn’t do it.”
The general response went along the lines that you don’t vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don’t vote for vice president, but the president and vice president as a ticket.
“Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon,” she said. The consensus we expressed was that we didn’t think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the
right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she, black or not.
“What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a communist?” she said. “Well, you will; and he will be a communist.”
One of us asked, “It sounds like you know something we don’t know.”
“Yes, it is true,” she replied. “This is not some idle talk. He is already born, and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of presidents. He is what you call ‘Ivy League.’ You don’t believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That’s right, a chocolate baby! And he’s going to be president.”
She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly—as though all were foregone conclusions.
“It’s all been thought out. His father is not an American black, so he won’t have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a communist. He’s gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America.”
However - the images of his head when close-shaven show many scars on his head a neck, which to me are not normal - just google "obama head scars" and there a many many links. I suspect that the person we see is a mind-controlled puppet, an unfortunate person who will be a scape-goat fairly soon.
All extremely suspect - including all the rigged elections - ah well, these rotten, rigged times are global now - there is no democracy at the moment
Snookie
15th November 2013, 21:42
I don't think the majority of people have an issue with Obama's sexuality, (Rev Manning excepted), I think what bothers most of us is him being such a big hypocrite about it. All these guys from his past dying under mysterious circumstances, just for having known him. So sad.
Camilo
15th November 2013, 21:58
I give this information the benefit of the doubt, but we shouldn't be so prompt to buy into it and start speculating about Obama and who may be behind all of it. This requires more exploration that just the facts presented here. Remember, things are not always what they "APPEAR" to be.
AutumnW
15th November 2013, 22:02
Thanks for posting this Bill
I have been following the gay Obama story for quite some time but have been looking for corroborative sources to provide back up. I don't think many people care about his sexuality. However, it certainly paints a picture of a man who is a self and politically constructed facade...an empty suit.
Of course, we don't need corroboration to back up the fact that he is a psychopathic liar, the front man for a thugocracy. We've had plenty of proof of that lately. The naive have been blind to the fact that immoral horrors made worse under his presidency, don't all stem from an obstructive or coercive 'right' wing. The issue isn't that he just needs more time to apply moral persuasion. Do these blinkered fools still say, "just give him time?" Why yes...twenty years to life in maximum security sounds about right.
I conducted my own informal poll over coffee lately. I asked a few friends if he would ever cheat on Michele. They immediately said, 'no'! I asked them why and they didn't know other than they figured he was too cautious, but not above it in terms of having to lie. I restructured the question, "Do you think he would cheat on Michele, with another woman, if he was assured that he wouldn't be caught?" Again the answer was a resounding, 'no'.
I've always felt the same way. It has nothing to do with the idea that I figure he loves Michele so darn much. I identified where my feelings were coming from before I even googled, 'Obama and gay" As a woman I feel this man has zero sexual resonance. This masked homosexuality or asexuality could have played a part in feeding the collective perception that Obama was a kind of Messiah, when he ran for office. Now I could be totally off on this and his high school friend could be making stuff up...but it's curious, isn't it?
AutumnW
15th November 2013, 22:10
maybe this all comes down to bringing the country back together after the deepest division since the civil war...
in a few weeks, suddenly painting the one half the country loves as the villain, it would in a moment break down the walls to bring us back together, was this all just an experiment on manipulation of the public to prepare for the next round that might work?
Rocky, Could you elaborate a bit more on this theme? I am interested in the whole notion of bringing the country together, because it has been used as a meme to allow major compromises in D.C. where reaching across the aisle, generally means any good that is/was there acquiesces to self interested corporate orcs.
Ron Mauer Sr
15th November 2013, 22:13
My thoughts of how the 'powers that be' select a puppet leader:
Puppet leaders must be totally manipulated. Anything else is too risky.
To be totally manipulated, the integrity of puppet leaders must be totally compromised.
A puppet world leader must hate the people and values of the country he/she will destroy on command.
In the U.S., depopulation and martial law are the likely result of food riots started by a reduction of entitlements. The race issue may play a significant role here.
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Obama may not be anything special. Maybe he was simply available and met the job qualifications set by the 'powers that be'.
norman
15th November 2013, 22:14
Why him?
Not Powel ?
They groom their drones very specifically for purpose.
Powel was a military dogsbody with still a good hand of useful cards to play in that extended role yet. Why waste a good and well placed asset where he was/is when they have just the perfect kid coming up with just the right 'Man from Manturia' handles positioned around him.
Besides, if they really did choose him for it a long time ago, there will have been a certain amount of 'parental pride' in wanting to see him get there and prove they could pull it off.
More tricky, is wondering if he really is to be the mascot on the front of a sinking ship, or if they have got big problems getting everything lined up right.
Considering all we've been watching around the world lately, if they do drop America into it's footprint before Obama has completed his term, I'll have to assume that every major power in the world is in on it at the very highest level. There have been so many apparent wild cards played that it would seem impossible for their plan to be still perfectly in tact, unless all of it is some kind of computer generated script with parts printed out for the strings section, the wind section and the brass section, etc.
AutumnW
15th November 2013, 22:16
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Here's what I don't understand.
Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual? Even if they wanted a black President at this time, there must have been many other options. What would have been wrong with Colin Powell?
The risks seem to have been huge. Forged birth certificate, unsavory stories emerging, murders of gay lovers in Chicago, drug history, sexual history... This guy is NOT a hero. It MUST have been known this would all inevitably leak. Surely someone in the elite President-selection group would have said: "Listen, we need a safer option."
Another possibility is that this is a carefully planned set-up. Maybe Obama is already installed with a "kill-switch". That could be to
keep him totally in line (like someone being blackmailed), or
to deliberately discredit him later, at some strategic point not yet reached. Like:
Problem : Obama is outed nationally and globally as a sociopathic fraud, lacking all personal integrity.
Reaction : Public outrage... "This must NEVER happen again"
Solution : Someone is brought in with totally impeccable credentials who seems like a genuine knight in shining armor -- but this time, is the REAL 'Antichrist'.
I welcome all serious ideas. It IS hard to understand why they took this apparent risk.
Catherine Austin Fitts maintains that nobody is able to rise to any kind of significant position of power in D.C. unless they have a convenient file they can pull on them at any time, should they ever step out of line.
christian
15th November 2013, 22:47
What is more revealing is why are the controlling puppet masters showing their tactics to the masses.
It appears the controllers are setting themselves up to be caught out on purpose.
far to obvious for my own liking.
To the masses they come up with a lot of support for Obama, claiming that he delivered his birth certificate and has this official history in general. This is what is being played on the masses. When a leak appears it doesn't really change anything for the presstitutes in their daily jobs, which is to stay silent and stick to the script.
When you dig deeper, as people in the "alternative" media do, you find all this amazing amount of evidence that everything about Obama is a lie and that he is a very shady character to say the least. Now this is creating an interesting dynamic, because it has to be considered that the general public is still ignorant of both—Obama's real history and his real actions.
I see stories like "just how much bad news is Obama exactly?" or "just how could they take down the twin-towers?" or "will Obama be granted dictatorial powers?" as certainly interesting, but also diverting some attention and creating an atmosphere of over-the-topness for a general public that didn't look at political information in the first place and is now even more overwhelmed with a massive amount of new information.
I think right now the alternative media and all the people tuning in to it would be well served if they would simply push the message that humanity is being enslaved by a banking cartel which also controls all the major corporations, institutions, and nations. There should be a massive campaign focusing solely on a massive and simple wake-up call (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60846-Revolution-An-Instruction-Manual); the central common-sense and need-to-know facts must reach the public.
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However, you can vote for Alex Jones, next time . There will be more mess if that Office .
I think Alex Jones knows the Constitution and the Bill of Rights better than most congressmen do. :)
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Bill Clinton on the other hand - I could listen to him read the phonebook for hours. the guy has charisma coming out of his ears!
Yeah, what a charisma! :lie:
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To me, it doesn't matter anymore - bring on the martial law in America and fulfill the New World Order so I can stop focusing on my education and devote my life to freedom and destroying the NWO.
No need to wait, brother. :hat:
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http://www.rense.com/general96/putinvsobama/72a9e7.jpg
http://www.rense.com/general96/putinvsobama/72a93b.jpg
Rense has posted these and other Putin vs. Obama (http://www.rense.com/general96/putinvobama.html) pictures in October, have a good laugh, this thread somehow reminded me of them.
Blacklight43
15th November 2013, 22:50
Remembering the interview with Andrew Basiago (Jumproom to Mars) where he said he met the bushes,clinton and obama in New Mexico and they were talking about all of them were going to become POTUS someday... is Andrew next? Do we really have a choice when we go to the polls? Is he as compromised as obama? What happened to America? Or the world!!!
May Humanity be Blessed with Courage and the Wherewithall to take Our Power and Create the World We Truly Desire!!!
Anchor
15th November 2013, 22:52
Obama trained by an actor - does not seem strange to me.
Acting lessons or just good PR training?
Every senior politician with a chance at the top would be given the best PR and Media training available.
That training comes from unlikely sources. In companies I have worked for our senior leaders have been coached by experienced journalists, barristers, psychologists etc. Its very expensive and takes a long time. I have seen people over the years who were earmarked for the top jobs transformed from little more than street oiks to well groomed slick professionals.
I don't see it a stretch for actors to be among those who could help train people like that.
What is the difference with what is being portrayed here?
Rocky_Shorz
15th November 2013, 22:54
maybe this all comes down to bringing the country back together after the deepest division since the civil war...
in a few weeks, suddenly painting the one half the country loves as the villain, it would in a moment break down the walls to bring us back together, was this all just an experiment on manipulation of the public to prepare for the next round that might work?
Rocky, Could you elaborate a bit more on this theme? I am interested in the whole notion of bringing the country together, because it has been used as a meme to allow major compromises in D.C. where reaching across the aisle, generally means any good that is/was there acquiesces to self interested corporate orcs.
well, Obama is done with politics, if they can get Democrats to stop fighting so hard for Obama it closes the rift between the bought and paid for party representatives...
Obama isn't dumb and knew whatever stance he took on Syria and Iran, Republicans would take the opposite stance, even becoming anti war, very un neocon of them...
the Zionist that want a final war in the middle east, needed America to attack Syria, drawing Iran into the war...
as soon as he said let's go to war, it was shut down by congress, disappointing Israel, the war machine, oil cartels and bankers...
in one fell swoop, the future of the world changed, while they were all trying to get the war back in motion, Obama did the unthinkable and offered an olive leaf to Iran, which they gladly accepted
The Ayatolla hasn't been seen since a test to show Syria capabilities of their new weapons, which somehow exploded setting off an earthquake centered at the launch facility...
what is amazing is how fast we are moving away from WW III, Putin is flexing his muscles and the Jewish lobby seems to have no power in decisions of congress...
the tea party confusion thrown into the republican party seems to be a huge part of the plan.
once WW III is off the table, I can see Obama ready to head to the islands to retire, health care reform has begun, next controlling health care cost will become important...
it was hard fought, but those angry, I really feel are the evil controlling this world we all want to toss out...
the attempted assassination of Obama if it would have succeeded, would have reignited the hatred to the point of mass riots...
once again the shadow government has failed, the renegade puppet is destroying their plans...
Go Ninja's!!!
Snookie
15th November 2013, 22:58
I give this information the benefit of the doubt, but we shouldn't be so prompt to buy into it and start speculating about Obama and who may be behind all of it. This requires more exploration that just the facts presented here.
Very true.
Remember Andrew Breitbart? He died within a few days after announcing at CPAC I believe, saying the Tea Party was going to "vet" Obama this time (for his second term), saying. "We have pictures, we have videos".
Larry Sinclair fortunately wasn't offed liked so many others, but he was demonized after he came forward saying he'd had a sexual relationship with Obama and had done coke with him.
T Smith
15th November 2013, 23:00
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Here's what I don't understand.
Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual? Even if they wanted a black President at this time, there must have been many other options. What would have been wrong with Colin Powell?
The risks seem to have been huge. Forged birth certificate, unsavory stories emerging, murders of gay lovers in Chicago, drug history, sexual history... This guy is NOT a hero. It MUST have been known this would all inevitably leak. Surely someone in the elite President-selection group would have said: "Listen, we need a safer option."
Another possibility is that this is a carefully planned set-up. Maybe Obama is already installed with a "kill-switch". That could be to
keep him totally in line (like someone being blackmailed), or
to deliberately discredit him later, at some strategic point not yet reached. Like:
Problem : Obama is outed nationally and globally as a sociopathic fraud, lacking all personal integrity.
Reaction : Public outrage... "This must NEVER happen again"
Solution : Someone is brought in with totally impeccable credentials who seems like a genuine knight in shining armor -- but this time, is the REAL 'Antichrist'.
I welcome all serious ideas. It IS hard to understand why they took this apparent risk.
My guess, given all the information, is that Barack Obama is a fully-controlled asset, a highly and fully-functioning Mark David Chapman, Sirhan Sirhan or David Hinkley type. It appears he may be a CIA asset from birth. Colin Powell or any other more credible prospect--and you are right there are scores of them--would bring far less baggage. But what Barack Obama, the asset, offers, if indeed he was groomed from birth, is a complete tabula rasa. This type of individual would be a dream prospect to an MK-ULTRA black-ops engineer(s), and probably the most successful type of mind-control asset. Even if you were to infiltrate other more prominent individuals with some success, and even at some point early on in their lives, they would be far less malleable, in the psychopathic sense, and in some regards, far more risky. Perhaps what appears on the surface to be more risky by inserting Barack Obama as manchurian is really the lesser of two evils. I would also guess that the little handicap of Barack Obama's dubious past is probably something his handlers, given their ever-increasing hubris, calculated as manageable in the infowar. We have to consider that somehow this quality of individual has managed to win the election of POTUS TWICE without any serious vetting, and despite all this information, which in some circles is commonly known. And of course even if all this information blows up and becomes unmanageable, the architects can capitalize on the crisis in the exact manner as you suggest in your P-R-S dialectic. It may even be the desired plan in the event their asset does not execute their agenda in precisely the intended manner.
I am speculating, of course, but all the information and data points I've come across--and I've done a fair amount of study and research on this--strongly points to this conclusion.
norman
15th November 2013, 23:00
When you dig deeper, as people in the "alternative" media do, you find all this amazing amount of evidence that everything about Obama is a lie and that he is a very shady character to say the least. Now this is creating an interesting dynamic, because it has to be considered that the general public is still ignorant of both—Obama's real history and his real actions.
Isn't it just......... ?
A bipolar dynamic with a schizophrenic main stream narrative?
It could get like Victorian Britain ...... "Lock em all up "
But, you're bang on with the way to go.... Money anger gets all sorts up on their hind legs. Then there has to be an exit plan from that too, because the crafty bastards have spent a hell of a long time setting up the socialist model in folk's minds and they think they can counter the money anger with a slam dunk from quite literally ' Left Field'.
Rocky_Shorz
15th November 2013, 23:08
I think they plan on keeping Obama in office until the 2 state solution is implemented in Israel...
they are lowering the bar now, which will make it possible...
like it or not, Obama will end up going down in history as one of America's greatest presidents...
and poor Bush pulled the short straw and will end up as one of the worst...
norman
15th November 2013, 23:20
I think they plan on keeping Obama in office until the 2 state solution is implemented in Israel...
they are lowering the bar now, which will make it possible...
like it or not, Obama will end up going down in history as one of America's greatest presidents...
and poor Bush pulled the short straw and will end up as one of the worst...
That's an interesting little tweak pull on my thinking but my belly tells me that Obama's greatness in history is a kind of inverted satirical Overture to something that brings the end of history.
Rocky_Shorz
15th November 2013, 23:23
as long as this mess ends bankers control on our society, I'm good with that...
tank the Fed, dump the debt, and start the US back to the way it was meant to be, without a boot on its throat...
norman
15th November 2013, 23:30
as long as this mess ends bankers control on our society, I'm good with that...
tank the Fed, dump the debt, and start the US back to the way it was meant to be, without a boot on its throat...
There's always 2 Jackboots.
The right one, and the left one. I'll perk up a treat when I can't hear them marching any longer.
PurpleLama
15th November 2013, 23:36
Something comes to mind, that Freeman said, that it is about bringing down the office of the US President. First, Clinton was impeached, then Bush was "elected" twice through fraud, then Obama is elected while not being eligible.
Sunny-side-up
15th November 2013, 23:40
Hi Anchor
I think the difference is this: from what I've seen of Obama he is not Human, deferentially not Humain so it's not like someone being given a good image it's more like a total make over illusion of a being.
Obama trained by an actor - does not seem strange to me.
Acting lessons or just good PR training?
Every senior politician with a chance at the top would be given the best PR and Media training available.
That training comes from unlikely sources. In companies I have worked for our senior leaders have been coached by experienced journalists, barristers, psychologists etc. Its very expensive and takes a long time. I have seen people over the years who were earmarked for the top jobs transformed from little more than street oiks to well groomed slick professionals.
I don't see it a stretch for actors to be among those who could help train people like that.
What is the difference with what is being portrayed here?
norman
15th November 2013, 23:43
Something comes to mind, that Freeman said, that it is about bringing down the office of the US President. First, Clinton was impeached, then Bush was "elected" twice through fraud, then Obama is elected while not being eligible.
Yea, I think that's a part of it. It's a bigger program of taking down nationhood, in general. That was kicked off with Wikileaks ( I believe ).
There a definite military logic they have to stick to though. It's a huge shift from using the US as the strong arm over the whole world ( why they gave it infinite credit - in the first place ) and dropping it like a bag of snuff on the sidewalk.
Flash
15th November 2013, 23:52
what if he is just a bet between two super power guys, a simple bet so that they can amuse themselves in their rather dull life? A bet with a multi layer game, where the nobody trained from chidhood would go unnoticed, could be made a fall guy, etc. A plain stupid bet.
What if it is a contrived deal with another power, where he had to be put in place, being sent by the other power, but had to be put in place to keep things calm for example?
there is thousands of what if potentials.
GoodETxSG
16th November 2013, 00:08
Very good info,
I am tired of hearing that he is a white hat and secretly will save us all... Sick of it!
He is a PLANT and an ASSET!!! A Puppet... A Cut Out... Pure and simple (A lot easier to control than Clinton would have been... but they moved their agenda as wanted and she will get her shot I am sure!)..
The last video and the description of him as a teen age boy is very similar to what has been described to me by some people that spent time with him. They have to rotate his SS Agents to make sure one of them doesn't spend too much time around him and WOULD take one for him... "THEY" shake up that Military and Secret Service tree pretty often up there, I see why there is so much paranoia.
A LOT can be rolled back that has his signatures on it IF we ever have the peaceful coup that is needed and the "ELITE" Bankster Dark Souls are removed from our "YOKES"...
TY For the info Bill
All the above IMHO as always ;)
sandy
16th November 2013, 00:12
There wasn`t anything really done about Clinton and his escapades, lies, corruption etc as well as stories of the Bushes while in power and then JFK had some sordid backgroud issues as well, not too mention many others not only in the US but all over the world. This has been going for too many years to count, so................
Why would it not become more in our faces than ever as to date nothing has changed, except the blantancy of how mind controlled the world is!!! The masses still do not want to deal with Reality!! Many know and many I know, do not want the information as it destroys their illusions of their country and or planet or fellow man.
To stay on topic and share my thoughts on Obama........he is just one more example and a good one that continues to lead the people down the dark path. He was chosen in order to buy even more time to put marshal law into place and he was chosen because he was Black, IMHO. It was another ploy to have the people believe that change was really on the door step with his election and after 4 years of BS they still want to believe and the Global Controllers knew this would happen.
Maybe this is the plan of a Greater Design too (Peace&Love) as boy it sure is crazy as to what it is taking to get the masses to evolve, wake up and start looking at themselves and to realize that the power not only lies within but cannot be reproduced on a global bases until enough have turned the corner to inform those in control that the game is up!
GoodETxSG
16th November 2013, 00:20
BINGO
They could have picked controllable individuals that met the outward criteria easily... he was BRED and RAISED... GROOMED to be a candidate or a tool... "Their Dark See'ers" Cast their lots and decided on him for several reasons that the future will most likely bear out... I would say the pathological lying and other moral short falls end up costing him the presidency and the laws he setup will come down, but along with them what else will come down?
When it all comes out and to a head will WE be playing into the hands of that "DARK SEE'ER"? Will our reactions fulfill their plan or is "BARRY" alone fulfilling their plan under borrowed time? Once you learn how these DARK types think and plan you never look at even the wildest conspiracy the same. There is always ANOTHER REASON, one we missed at the end of the day and a dark figure with too many teeth smiling in a dim lit room planning the next 10 moves ahead of what we think was the end of the game... IMHO/experience...
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Here's what I don't understand.
Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual? Even if they wanted a black President at this time, there must have been many other options. What would have been wrong with Colin Powell?
The risks seem to have been huge. Forged birth certificate, unsavory stories emerging, murders of gay lovers in Chicago, drug history, sexual history... This guy is NOT a hero. It MUST have been known this would all inevitably leak. Surely someone in the elite President-selection group would have said: "Listen, we need a safer option."
Another possibility is that this is a carefully planned set-up. Maybe Obama is already installed with a "kill-switch". That could be to
keep him totally in line (like someone being blackmailed), or
to deliberately discredit him later, at some strategic point not yet reached. Like:
Problem : Obama is outed nationally and globally as a sociopathic fraud, lacking all personal integrity.
Reaction : Public outrage... "This must NEVER happen again"
Solution : Someone is brought in with totally impeccable credentials who seems like a genuine knight in shining armor -- but this time, is the REAL 'Antichrist'.
I welcome all serious ideas. It IS hard to understand why they took this apparent risk.
My guess, given all the information, is that Barack Obama is a fully-controlled asset, a highly and fully-functioning Mark David Chapman, Sirhan Sirhan or David Hinkley type. It appears he may be a CIA asset from birth. Collin Powell or any other more credible prospect--and you are right there are scores of them--would bring far less baggage. But what Barack Obama, the asset, offers, if indeed he was groomed from birth, is a complete tabula rasa. This type of individual would be a dream prospect to an MK-ULTRA black-ops engineer(s), and probably the most successful type of mind-control asset. Even if you were to infiltrate other more prominent individuals with some success, and even at some point early on in their lives, they would be far less malleable, in the psychopathic sense, and in some regards, far more risky. Perhaps what appears on the surface to be more risky by inserting Barack Obama as manchurian is really the lesser of two evils. I would also guess that the little handicap of Barack Obama's dubious past is probably something his handlers, given their ever-increasing hubris, calculated as manageable in the infowar. We have to consider that somehow this quality of individual has managed to win the election of POTUS of the United States TWICE without any serious vetting, and despite all this information, which in some circles is commonly known. And of course even if all this information blows up and becomes unmanageable, the architects can capitalize on the crisis in the exact manner as you suggest in your P-R-S dialectic. It may even be the desired plan in the event their asset does not execute their agenda in precisely the intended manner.
I am speculating, of course, but all the information and data points I've come across--and I've done a fair amount of study and research on this--strongly points to this conclusion.
Shannow
16th November 2013, 00:35
Catherine Austin Fitts maintains that nobody is able to rise to any kind of significant position of power in D.C. unless they have a convenient file they can pull on them at any time, should they ever step out of line.
That's a fact...
in my state, there was a Government move to do something that was really against their party philosophy...one guy stood out majorly, and within days, his attendance at a gay brothel was leaked (he'd been going for decades without scrutiny), he exited, the media were there, and his family and career were destroyed, by the party, and the complicit media.
Was having a conversation with a guy in politics, and suggested that you don't get a front row job without them having a trigger that they can take you apart at any time to better handle you.
He told me that I didn't know how right I really was within the party.
Rollo
16th November 2013, 00:47
About one month ago I had a dream in which I met Obama.
His skin of the face was sort of reddish with visible veins on his neck, almost demonic look but rather tired.
We were looking at each others and started communicate telepathically.
In the first moment he put a play, an act about how strong he is and that I should fear him.
I told him that he is wasting his time with this game. I didn't buy it.
I asked why he allow others to control him to such an extent and do he really know who he is. He get angry at me but suddenly he got it. His face changed totally.
It was more like revelation to him, for the first time since very long to be in the knowing but knowing of his own existence. And most of all a discovery of the truth about his masters.
He very quickly connected the dots from his own memories and experience with them and how he got to the place where he is now.
He thanked me for this and was very happy about the fact that he will be himself again. Like Gollum from Lord of the Rings when Frodo told him that he was Smeagol once.
On the end with all his heart and fury he knew that he will do anything he can to stay undercover and play new game.
The game against his masters even when he will loose it. The most important was to be himself again.
norman
16th November 2013, 01:02
...... until enough.....!.......
I totally see the numbers game as the one we are up against. They are crunching them several times a day, I'm sure.
We should be more alarmed by the fact that the internet is still up and running than we seem to be.
There's a level where it's wonderful that we are all getting connected and we are on the rise... blah blah blah..............
There's another level where they could pull the plug at any time they want.................... and they haven't..... yet !...?
grannyfranny100
16th November 2013, 02:38
I don't see Obama as bright just grandiose and easily manipulated to be a fall guy when TPTB wants to start a civil war between the races and begin martial law which I see coming soon given all the stuff Homeland Security is buying and hoarding. Just part of their divide and conquer approach to keep us distracted as they continue on with their New World Order plans under the direction of a new "Savior" type POTUS.
Maunagarjana
16th November 2013, 02:58
I think right now the alternative media and all the people tuning in to it would be well served if they would simply push the message that humanity is being enslaved by a banking cartel which also controls all the major corporations, institutions, and nations. There should be a massive campaign focusing solely on a massive and simple wake-up call (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60846-Revolution-An-Instruction-Manual); the central common-sense and need-to-know facts must reach the public.
This is what I keep trying to stress to people. Even the US President at this point is nothing more than middle management. TPTB likely know decades in advance who is likely to be President down the line, and they make sure to groom these individuals in advance to be their servants.
heretogrow
16th November 2013, 03:33
He came on the scene as a presidential candidate when the United States needed a change. He promised change and hope. We never asked him what kind of change. He was blindly followed because he is hypnotizing and most of us really believe in the goodness of humanity. We felt empowered by his undefined and vague promises. We didn't even ask for clarification, we just assumed he was on the same page and wanted to see the possibility of a just world. How naïve I was. I don't know about the rest of you but I feel responsible. I bought into this hook line and sinker and even tried to convince my friends this guy was the one who would change the world for the better. I have since then doubted my ability to think critically regarding politics. It is no more than a game that uses emotions. But Hitler had the same type of charisma, charm and personality. In a way Obama is protected by the same unspoken laws of antisemminisym. If you recognize or point out the atrocities he has unleashed on freedom and the constitution you sre a racist, a terrorist or worse a patriot. Now when did any of us in the United State SEE THAT COMING. There rules have changed. Believing in freedom and wanting the free state to survive can now be misconstrued, convoluted and turned against you. In this police state there is no room to think critically or even demand proof. The chemtrails, beer, drones, fluoride, tv series, and the latest new vehicle model or keep up with the Jones next big thing are designed to keep your brain inactive and uncapable of thinking of all the atrocities and working out a better future for mankind. What is that saying.. Nothing to see here.. Move along.. Move along! I know better now. Which is why I won't rest until this is righted... which is why I FEEL RESPONSIBLE. I am empowered though. I won't let it get me down. I will do everything I can to make it right. YES WE CAN!
No false saviors from here on out. Fool me once... you are well out of fresh chances!!!!
aviators
16th November 2013, 03:55
I don't understand how this guy has survived this long in office? Biggest fraud ever!
I know this is a serious matter but the cartoons in this interview are funny. :cool:
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gripreaper
16th November 2013, 04:39
My understanding is: Obama was "remote viewed" in the very early government remote viewing programs and the elite saw way in advance who would best suit their agenda, and Obama was "groomed" from a very early age as a Manchurian puppet.
That's why they chose him. He is basically the first true Manchurian from birth.
Shannow
16th November 2013, 05:40
He came on the scene as a presidential candidate when the United States needed a change. He promised change and hope. We never asked him what kind of change. He was blindly followed because he is hypnotizing !
That was a real eye-opener for me, listening to his earlier speeches, and being absolutely entranced by them...then in the middle of one of them I woke up and realised that I was being entranced by them, and switched that off...immediately he didn't sound amazing and powerful, he just sounded like another puppet, who was there for someone else' benefit.
A couple of Australian Psychiatrist types went in the media claiming that NLP and hypnotism techniques were used in the creation of the speeches. They got attention, and laughed at...but they were right.
seleka
16th November 2013, 05:49
I don't understand how this guy has survived this long in office? Biggest fraud ever!
I know this is a serious matter but the cartoons in this interview are funny. :cool:
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Well I have read the whole thread. I have a hard time listening to the rev because of his tendency to show judgement and be so negative, plus I love all beings gay or straight, reptile or grey, human or venusian, cow or cat...
Many have touched upon the same thoughts I have had on this subject. I have to address the video in this post though. I did not know there was a Jeff Rense prior to seeing this. I have researched things on the rense site however. The video above, while appearing funny and neat- told me for sure, this is about More Division. As long as those in the habit of exposing the old empire continue to do so with the same thought frames... we are chasing our tails. I could not watch the graphics at all, it makes me sad to think the person that made it didn't realize he is feeding the thing he professes to want gone. When I listened to Mia this time, I believe she has an agenda. there is an undercurrent of disinfo to me. However, I do not doubt barry was a freebasing semen receptacle for the cabal (willingly or brainwashed though?).
There are a few possible scenarios that many have mentioned.
1) BS is a regular person, really wants to change the world, for some reason he gets a red carpet in dc which he doesn't understand but moves forward anyway as a (what was he a lawyer, senator) ... the cabal wanted him just because he is black and they have been wanting to do something with black vs white for a long time.... so he gets the job because they let him get it... then he is taken in the little room that completely transforms into the highly technological place that the ets taught them to build... and he is shown graphic videos of how he and his children and wife will be tortured, until he gives in and becomes their puppet. It would explain the complete change after taking office. Maybe then they began the brainwashing techniques... or he refused and is in a torture chamber, or dead... with a clone taking his place....
or
he was raised mk ultra (which fits in with the old white male lovers) from birth to be their many personalities machine...
some say he could be a highly evolved soul that has been living as a mk ultra slave and yet some part of him still remembers who he really is (like jesus while incarnate)(white hat scenario)
I am already tired of writing the possibles...it is all masturbation to keep strife happening. oh and the old pattern of problem reaction solution certainly seems to be here too.... they are setting up a network of fall guys. Let's keep our focus on the parts we can. There is a thread called the solution...as we implement individually it it gains strength and momentum of its own.
another thread today is saying the same things... we take our emotions and learn them and how to keep from generating the negative ones... so we can 'starve them out'. The david Icke interview called from the heart that I found again thanks to the solution thread (not a typical DI vid..he is talking about how to end the paradigm). All this stuff that is coming from emotion is part of their game right?
I am feeling particularly disjointed now for the last hour. I am not going to try to make this make more sense, but post as is. this is the thread about the solution
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52810-The-Solution-Is-In-Full-Swing-Are-You-On-Board
onawah
16th November 2013, 06:01
Couldn't have said it better, Karika! Thanks.
cursichella1
16th November 2013, 07:11
When Obama gave his speech about the need for strikes against Syria, I remember thinking that he was lying and that this was the first time I'd thought of him as an actor vs President, and a bad one at that. (I'm not familiar with Harry Lennix but the similarities are amazing.)
So why would Lennix come out with all of this now? And Ms. Pope? Oi! And just when I was starting to think that the Obamacare website problems were sabatoge...or are we supposed to believe that??
If he was groomed for this position, the Constitutional Law specialty is appropriate, considering how he's been dismantling it.
I recently saw the ease with which Derren Brown was able to hypnotize some people without their being aware of it. The possibilities? ...omg.
Mike Gorman
16th November 2013, 08:49
There was something very strange about the whole deal, out of nowhere, it seemed to me anyway, this slick voiced stranger arose saying all the 'right' things
to press the necessary socio-economic-political buttons in the correct sequence. It all seemed so staged, I hate to say it: surreal. Whatever shadow group
that is behind this particular creation, we will probably never be able to isolate or identify-it just seems to fit in with some mosaic pattern that we can't yet discern.
The Obama era will rank as marking the distinct fall of America as the global empire, perhaps the times call for the nature of the players within it...
ghostrider
16th November 2013, 11:36
Okay everyone I slept on it ... a man with a secret gay lifestyle and a street drug habit , can be blackmailed easily and would jump at the chance to be someone important and con the whole world ... as long as he got his drugs and his bed partners , in fact other world leaders may also be into that ... as for being gay and president , what's wrong with loving another human being ??? some people get all upset over one person loving another , I don't get that, would you rather they hate and kill ??? Look at the beauty of the design , I'll fool the world and make them think I'm straight with a wife and kids , when really I'm not , and appear to be a for the people person , but actually I'm the greatest con artist that ever lived , Hell i wasn't even born in the U.S and at the time of the war on terror , I'm a muslim and became president , all the things the U.S. is against I embody , and became the highest leader on earth ... hmmmm we had the ole bait n switch pulled on us ...
chocolate
16th November 2013, 11:42
With the risk to be disliked here, I think everyone is observing the situation from the point of view of logic. If you see it from far up without knowing anything about anything and you don't allow logic to interfere with your thinking, may be the picture will turn out far more interesting that what you could have imagined.
This conversation here reminds me of almost every evening and my dad enraged by what our president has been doing. In our case it was staged and it was a matter of financial and political interest, closely related to the US. I think Obama should be seen in a broader context and right now we are on the level of what is happening, so we can't see from where we stand the real objective and goal of this scenario. I have the feeling he is strategically positioned because of everything he is related to to serve a purpose that is a bit further forward in the future events. Or he is just an example of how easy it is to make us play their simple crude game.
I just figure out a what to say what I wanted to say with a small story.
For anyone who has long wavy or surly hair they can relate to the situation of having a mouse nest forming in their hair?
It is the situation when you wake up to discover a nice entanglement of hair that has formed during the night because of you moving your head -> hair friction on the pillowcase-< during sleep. In order to de-tangle that nice nest there you have to carefully loosen all of the involved so that you end up with ONE SINGLE hair that is the cause of your small suffering.
Have you seen the film " The Butterfly Effect" ? :)
Mu2143
16th November 2013, 12:14
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Hervé
16th November 2013, 12:15
Anyone remembering those?:
[...]
Orgone In A Can
I have never been interested very much in radionics, but the events of the last months stimulated me to focus a little more on the subject.
Substantially it started with the Obama-Obama-Obama mind broadcast the day (it was night here) Obama was elected for president in th US.( It was posted in the "Radionics for O´Bomber and witches in the White House" - thread.)
[...]
Well, it would go along with this:
The First Time I Heard of "Barack"
By Mr. Tom Fife
California businessman
During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid-1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M. He had a wife named T.M.
V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause - a cause she obviously was not abandoning.
One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture was invited to V. & T.'s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions. As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge - one her husband tried to quietly rein in.
The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this: "You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven't you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn't do it." (She was referring to Geraldine Ferraro.)
The general response went something along the lines that you don't vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don't vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.
"Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon."
The consensus we expressed was that we didn't think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.
"What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?"
The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, "Well, you will; and he will be a Communist."
It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, "It sounds like you know something we don't know."
"Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call "Ivy League". You don't believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. (snip racist comment) And he's going to be your President."
She became smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly - as though all were foregone conclusions. "It's all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won't have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He's gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America."
We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he'd be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.
She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.
She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. "Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet."
At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn't understand what the point was and don't recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.
Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: "If I remember correctly, 'Barack' comes from the Arabic word for 'Blessing.' That seems to be an odd name for an American." She replied quickly, "Yes. It is 'African'", she insisted, "and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world."
She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way. So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?
Well, it's definitely anecdotal. It doesn't prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.
Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread412312/pg1
http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi...i?ArtNum=10570 (http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=10570)
“This is Tom Fife
Background: I have a degree in Physics and have worked primarily in aerospace and software development. In 1991 I became involved with an Englishman who was performing relief efforts into the collapsing Soviet Union. These efforts were performed through Orthodox churches in Britain and the US plus some churches in Germany. Money was raised from all over and sent to Germany to purchase the goods, which were then trucked into Moscow to be distributed by the Patriarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church.While doing all of this, I met many talented people in the Russian Academy of Science and eventually formed a Joint-Venture with some to develop sophisticated software.Dr. M. headed the Russian side. He had a wife whom people told me was a staunch Communist. It is my understanding that she was one of the party officials that worked in a company to be the contact point and keep a party eye on things. She was degreed in her own right and was a solid right hand to her husband.Why did she get so loose-tongued? I am not sure, but there were traditional Russian toasts being delivered through the evening and each of those were punctuated by a shot of very cold vodka. Also, there were some remarks made by an American in our group concerning his observations of the racial make up of the Russian people. This visibly irritated her, and I believe that was the emotional trigger for her to want to predict a racial comeuppance for the white America to which we were returning.Why didn't I publish the story upon my return in 1992? At that point it was talk. It was very disturbing talk, but I had a life that I was living and that kept me busy while I wasn't sure how I could every attempt to track down this mystery man she mentioned. In the end, he never left my mind really, but I didn't ruminate on it, either. I did mention this to my son upon my return and it was because of that that he is my most solid defender. He remembers me warning him in 1992 to beware of a mulatto guy running for president with such and such laundry list of attributes.”
“Tom Fife is legitimate. I worked with him in the aerospace industry that he makes reference to. I was also associated with him in an ultimately unsuccessful research company. I have known Tom since 1982. I have never know him to lie about anything. Everything he says in his original essay and in this blog are consistent with the facts as I know them. He has told me the full names of V. and T. He does not want to reveal their names before they are tracked down and interviewed.
When this is all verified and fully exposed it will be the biggest news in at least a generation.”
American Town Meeting
araucaria
16th November 2013, 12:26
maybe this all comes down to bringing the country back together after the deepest division since the civil war...
in a few weeks, suddenly painting the one half the country loves as the villain, it would in a moment break down the walls to bring us back together, was this all just an experiment on manipulation of the public to prepare for the next round that might work?
Rocky, Could you elaborate a bit more on this theme? I am interested in the whole notion of bringing the country together, because it has been used as a meme to allow major compromises in D.C. where reaching across the aisle, generally means any good that is/was there acquiesces to self interested corporate orcs.
well, Obama is done with politics, if they can get Democrats to stop fighting so hard for Obama it closes the rift between the bought and paid for party representatives...
Obama isn't dumb and knew whatever stance he took on Syria and Iran, Republicans would take the opposite stance, even becoming anti war, very un neocon of them...
the Zionist that want a final war in the middle east, needed America to attack Syria, drawing Iran into the war...
as soon as he said let's go to war, it was shut down by congress, disappointing Israel, the war machine, oil cartels and bankers...
in one fell swoop, the future of the world changed, while they were all trying to get the war back in motion, Obama did the unthinkable and offered an olive leaf to Iran, which they gladly accepted
The Ayatolla hasn't been seen since a test to show Syria capabilities of their new weapons, which somehow exploded setting off an earthquake centered at the launch facility...
what is amazing is how fast we are moving away from WW III, Putin is flexing his muscles and the Jewish lobby seems to have no power in decisions of congress...
the tea party confusion thrown into the republican party seems to be a huge part of the plan.
once WW III is off the table, I can see Obama ready to head to the islands to retire, health care reform has begun, next controlling health care cost will become important...
it was hard fought, but those angry, I really feel are the evil controlling this world we all want to toss out...
the attempted assassination of Obama if it would have succeeded, would have reignited the hatred to the point of mass riots...
once again the shadow government has failed, the renegade puppet is destroying their plans...
Go Ninja's!!!
If Obama stopped WWIII in this way – and this does seem to be what has happened by a devious route - then he is to some extent a free agent after all and/or his handlers really shot themselves in some vital organ.
In these debates, we always tend to overlook the presence of more than one faction. And we always tend to overlook the presence of more than one (bathmological) level to any situation.
The controllers’ overall control of the masses is so massive that they are down to the real business of fighting it out amongst themselves. This has been going on for a long time already and has seriously muddied the water for anyone trying to understand. On the other hand, you would have to be extremely naïve to think that there are white hats sitting pretty in government among the black hats, and occasionally leaking stuff. It has to go much deeper than that.
First, there are the Republican and Democrat factions – not the same thing at all despite what some people would have us believe. There is a huge difference. The ‘Bomb bomb Iran for Armageddon by 2012’ party lost the last two elections, and that is a very big deal, because, also contrary to popular belief, the President does have a powerful role to play. If he didn’t, then why are we always complaining about his executive orders and other decisions?
There are also factions within each camp. In 2004, Hillary Clinton was supposed to win, but as I recall from Dan Burisch, she backed out when she learned that she would be assassinated. For some reason, the looking-glass technology she used could not see beyond 2012.
We are now in a post-2012 situation where everything is up for grabs. In the Vatican, the Petrus Romanus script has been torn up, and we have a Jesuit of all people doing all the things one would like to see a world leader doing. We have become so suspicious that it has to be still part of the evil agenda. But I am thinking this is the only way to get the job done – an impossible job by all accounts. Why has this pope not been assassinated yet? He is doing the same things as got John Paul I killed within 33 days. Answer, a) he has a subtler game plan: gaining acceptance among the opposition to a certain extent will alienate one’s supporters; and b) times have changed: we were never supposed to reach this point.
The same may apply to Obama. Supposing, as I did just now, that you need to get a good man into the White House, you cannot possibly do it by voting in a Harry Lennix, it’s just not going to happen. You need a bona fide hardcore politician, someone who is blackmailable in every possible way, and more publicly so than anyone else. In this way, you have the opposition doing the work for you. First in showing up Obama for what he is, they are revealing the workings of politics generally, themselves included; and secondly, they are reinforcing Obama’s alibi as a scoundrel while he pushes forward the agenda of stopping world wars and such. Obama is a puppet, and an excellent one, groomed from childhood, but whose puppet? He is an actor, but what role is he playing? A villain pretending to be good, or a good man pretending to be a villain?
This being so, we need to ponder on different varieties of disclosure - why some stuff is coming out and other stuff is not. But I have said too much. Disagreement is welcome: the more the better :)
observer
16th November 2013, 12:30
If one accepts the concept that the Anunnaki (an hyperdimensional reptoid race) are still here.... have always been here since the Dawn of Man.... and are the creators of Homo Sapiens Sapiens, than it is not really a stretch of the imagination to understand what Freeman has discovered regarding who Obama actually is.
Obama was specifically chosen to become president because his biological parents were part of a program to create him. There is enough information available to draw these conclusions, all one need do is take the time and do the research.
Research Resources:
Freeman Perspective - Moses Akhenaton Obama -
http://freemantv.com/?powerpress_pinw=2892-podcast
Gaining understanding into who the Anunnaki actually are:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-Gerald-Clark-The-Key-To-Understanding-Disclosure
A remarkable resemblance to both Obama and his first lady-
http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/0/2/4/8/0/7/1/Obama-Akhenaton-108656493628.jpeg#Obama%20Akhenaton
Only by taking the time and doing the research, can one gain understanding of the foundations to this particular reality. No one can give you all the information in a single comment.
Realeyes
16th November 2013, 13:21
Someone asked about the photo of Obama in drag that was shown on the OP interview with Mia Pope. I have just done a google image search and found the photo, yet the 'face' to my eyes does not look like Barry (Obama) that was shown in the link. Methinks this was possibly a photoshop job. What do you guys think?
http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2013/45/b5ca5809393805769130dc4703477910707bcb8d.jpg
As to the comment of Obama going in drag to attend the Rocky Horror show - I knew many straight guys during the Rocky Horror show era who liked to dress up when attending the show - so this is not out of the ordinary from my own experience, it was all done with humour.
Besides all the above, I agree that Mia Pope does sound genuine as she recalls her memories back in the days of Barry and found this most interesting to listen to. Having said that, I am also aware that there is so much technology out there that can plant in false memories, so I am cautious in accepting anything these days.
I am curious to see how this story unfolds...... what a convoluted spiders web!
sheme
16th November 2013, 13:49
We must be careful not to play the game they want us to play, I refuse to point my finger at any individual, you see we just don't know what that individual is dealing with do we, be careful folks that you don't play into their hands.
Great find Realeyes - A reminder not to accuse without proof, keep your hearts and minds open folks, are we being manipulated ?
Without a little darkness we are unaware of the light.
Magnus
16th November 2013, 14:09
Someone asked about the photo of Obama in drag that was shown on the OP interview with Mia Pope. I have just done a google image search and found the photo, yet the 'face' to my eyes does not look like Barry (Obama) that was shown in the link. Methinks this was possibly a photoshop job. What do you guys think?
http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2013/45/b5ca5809393805769130dc4703477910707bcb8d.jpg
If we have two individuals where one of them is more or less nobody, and the other individual is the president of U.S.A., with which one of them do i expect it to be more likely to have his face switched?
Yes i believe the "Barry drag outfit" photo is fake, either way i have no factual evidence to support it. If this Barry photo exist in its untouched original form it would really be worth a closer look.
What i find disturbing with the Manning report is that both Pope and Manning readily accept the Barry photo to be genuine, and also presenting it as such, without stating any proviso at all.
In my opinion it's a serious crack in the story / credibility.
SilentFeathers
16th November 2013, 14:20
Without a little darkness we are unaware of the light.
This is true (and the rule of opposites apply), I think we get VERY lost trying to see these events from one angle or perspective. This is how they are rather successful....these events are forced upon us and are designed to be viewed from basically one angle, the angle "they" force upon us. We must view these things from all angles, from the darkside and from the light side.....Those that fear the darkside and will never travel down that path to view things, well, they will never see the possibilities....they live in a box of limited "seeing" and "knowing".
Along with many other strange things going on, Obama is just another bizarre "EVENT". Another rather long lasting event to pull us in to the land of illusion and fairy tales.
This Obama event is very much like other events such as Sandy Hook, all these manufactured economic crisis's, the Syria debacle, etc. We see what's happening but are told something completely different. Anyone and everyone that questions it are basically demonized or torn apart.
As the controllers demand, we must refrain from wandering in to the abyss (or darkside) to seek answers, or to seek any form of clarity from this "dark" place. We must follow the narrative of truth and light they put forward like good little children.
So in my opinion, the truth can only be found and understood in dark places, by shining light in to these holes, the places they are doing everything they can to keep us away from, the place where their secrets and intentions are hidden.......
Thinking of Obama as an "event" rather than a person, well, opens many more doors to places for exploration.
Mark (Star Mariner)
16th November 2013, 14:33
It's extremely important, and there's absolutely no reason to doubt what Mia Pope is saying:
that Obama was a foreign student who was unaccountably fast-tracked into Hawaii's most prestigious school.
that he was 100% openly gay (with a number of elder, white consorts, who seemed to be supplying him with drugs).
that he bragged openly about his cocaine habits.
that when he was a teenager he was a known pathological liar.
Now: be prepare for the organized, state debunking machine to get to work -- FAST -- to ridicule and smear her. It's absolutely clear to me that Mia Pope is telling the the entire truth of her experience with no exaggeration or distortion. She is intelligent, articulate, measured, and has the highest integrity and courage. Listen to her interview (the YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5LlFhp1a4) above), and be amazed. (Maybe very amazed.)
Thanks for this Bill! Some important stuff here in these clips, however I wasn't all that taken by this Manning report guy, his position seemed loaded with agendas and self-righteous christian dogma - so for me not an impartial, balanced recipient and sounding-board for this information. I personally would not be able to trust the opinions or motivations of anyone who would brand someone a 'sexual pervert' just because they were gay.
I don't necessarily doubt what Ms Pope has to say. It is quite consistent with what I understand (and believe) to be the case anyway. She certainly knows her stuff though, having followed Obama through the years long after her association with him had ended. I think she's for real and I do believe her - at least her personal memories of Obama in her teenage years. Anything after that is obviously guess work on her part.
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Here's what I don't understand.
Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual? Even if they wanted a black President at this time, there must have been many other options. What would have been wrong with Colin Powell?
The risks seem to have been huge. Forged birth certificate, unsavory stories emerging, murders of gay lovers in Chicago, drug history, sexual history... This guy is NOT a hero. It MUST have been known this would all inevitably leak. Surely someone in the elite President-selection group would have said: "Listen, we need a safer option."
Another possibility is that this is a carefully planned set-up. Maybe Obama is already installed with a "kill-switch". That could be to
keep him totally in line (like someone being blackmailed), or
to deliberately discredit him later, at some strategic point not yet reached. Like:
Problem : Obama is outed nationally and globally as a sociopathic fraud, lacking all personal integrity.
Reaction : Public outrage... "This must NEVER happen again"
Solution : Someone is brought in with totally impeccable credentials who seems like a genuine knight in shining armor -- but this time, is the REAL 'Antichrist'.
I welcome all serious ideas. It IS hard to understand why they took this apparent risk.
Maybe it's a bloodline thing Bill. Maybe they found, in Barry Soetoro, some strand of rare, ancient, mystical bloodline that traces its way back to god knows who and where. 'They' - TPTB - love this sort of thing. Some sociopathic, megalomaniac figure from ancient history. Perhaps his (Obama's) was even a planned conception from the beginning, his parents brought together for this express purpose. Thus he was known, watched, and nurtured every step of the way, from childhood, to adulthood, knowing that one day he would be the perfect puppet - a black one too, serving a different agenda - and with all the perfect attributes. Who knows.
superconsciousness
16th November 2013, 14:42
The photo of Obama in drag is clear photo shop and the fact that it's taken as fact by the presentation discredits some of this. Same with the accusations for dressing up for Rocky Horror Show. Although I don't doubt he's bisexual, I don't see how this is pertinent to anything.
Anybody who becomes President has stepped over dead bodies to get there. As for the gay allegations - who cares? And the drugs? Kennedy was a speed freak in office...most of them have been drunk. W was a blow head alcoholic. Clinton is a sex addict.
There are worse scenarios than Obama. Sarah Palin could be president. We could be in more wars.
Mark (Star Mariner)
16th November 2013, 14:53
Just to add. With how many Presidents, high ranking politicians, or politicians of any kind, would the following be applicable:
- Have a dodgy background, full of dodgy deals, questionable associations, and things that would probably shock or disturb us?
- Have Dabbled in drugs (wasn't Clinton an alleged pothead in the 70's?) I can imagine Blair snorting a few lines in his silken suits as a yuppie back in the 80's… (I mean jeez, Bush senior back in his CIA days used to traffic huge amounts of the stuff).
- Have performed possibly numerous and various sexual improprieties, such as adultery - including whilst being a closeted homosexual - affiliations with prostitutes, and even the potential abuse of children?
- Are living, walking, talking egos on massive power-trips. The arrogance of such people guarantee their ambition, and thus eventual corruption.
- Are pathological liars? To be a viable and successful politician one has to be an expert liar from the get go.
All this describes many, many politicians, perhaps most of them in the world. Ever! Therefore, other than Obama having a doubtful 'nationality', I really don't see his story being all that different or extraordinary than any other.
blufire
16th November 2013, 14:54
In the entire scheme of things what does it matter who this man is or isn’t???
All I have to look at what his presidency and leadership is creating and project it into the future.
All I have to do is see how all the elements that have been put into place during the time he is in office and how it fits into ushering in the Unified World or One World government.
All I have to do is look back in time in how the foundation was formed in order for this new global government to be established and it all fits perfectly.
Barack Obama is the perfect man for this specific time in the implementation.
We, not only in the US but world wide have been carefully trained not to ‘appear’ racist and specifically against people of African decent or more to the point ‘black people’.
Because of our training and brainwashing Obama has been able to escalate events incredibly quickly because of our fear to reject his presidency and what he is implementing simply because he is black.
Does he know this? My guess is no. My guess is ‘they’ have profiled him and then carefully trained him and those immediately connected to him. My guess is he is not the only black man ‘they’ have been training and conditioning for many years . . . . my guess is Obama was their best bet at the time they needed a black man to become president.
edit (adding)
Problem : Obama is outed nationally and globally as a sociopathic fraud, lacking all personal integrity.
Reaction : Public outrage... "This must NEVER happen again"
Solution : Someone is brought in with totally impeccable credentials who seems like a genuine knight in shining armor -- but this time, is the REAL 'Antichrist'.
Yes . . . .I think this is fairly close. Except it will not be that he (Obama) will be outed, it will be certain targeted specifics that have been implemented during his leadership. These are ‘planted’ for specific design and reasoning to further implement (quickly now) the ushering in of this new global government.
And yes I agree that ‘someone’ who just like Obama (and others) has been in training and grooming for many, many years will step in and be our and globally the new leader.
Antichrist? No. Just a man or woman who will further global unification . . . . but not without many more years of strife and incredible hardship.
SilentFeathers
16th November 2013, 14:59
My guess is he is not the only black man ‘they’ have been training and conditioning for many years . . . . my guess is Obama was their best bet at the time they needed a black man to become president.
Appearances can be deceiving....
childs hood end
16th November 2013, 15:02
listing to mia pope I honestly have to say I think shes talkin ****.
even with all barack barry has done I think he is part of an agenda for the better of all...
plus ders bin to much going on to destroy him (his name) and if he was on the dark side don't you think they be protecting him a little better...
not what I see... just what I feel.
peace.
p.s.
if he was in collage of course more people would know him and come forward...
hes one of the most puplic people on earth...
crazy world
grannyfranny100
16th November 2013, 15:04
Silentfeathers, "Thinking of Obama as an "event" rather than a person, well, opens many more doors to places for exploration." Great point! TPTB sure seem quite able to think in the long term with outcomes some times scheduled beyond their own lifetimes. Does seem they could have had Obama targeted for years whereas their less effective false flags operations seem to be sloppy short term projects. I suspect that Obama is only now becoming aware that he is considered expendable. For so long he only considered the delight of being powerful - a POTUS without asking why.
Wookie
16th November 2013, 15:12
He could be the puppet that distracts you while the puppet master..... Assuming this guy was groomed to be president, should he even be blamed for his actions or his past? He is just following orders. Being the focal point between the perceived power and the actual power he will always be the target of one side or the other. Big bro is in no short supply of digital ammo.
http://appraisalnewsonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/27/puppeteer.jpg
Peaceful Journeys Wookie
SilentFeathers
16th November 2013, 15:13
Silentfeathers, "Thinking of Obama as an "event" rather than a person, well, opens many more doors to places for exploration." Great point! TPTB sure seem quite able to think in the long term with outcomes some times scheduled beyond their own lifetimes. Does seem they could have had Obama targeted for years whereas their less effective false flags operations seem to be sloppy short term projects. I suspect that Obama is only now becoming aware that he is considered expendable. For so long he only considered the delight of being powerful - a POTUS without asking why.
Then the question becomes, "What sort of event" is he?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17839&d=1345110049
Curt
16th November 2013, 15:48
This story is another girl in a red dress walking through the matrix.
A distraction. The real question: who has declared open season on Obama? Why have they done it?
And why now?
Who's benefiting?
Whether he's gay, illegitimate, or the son of a communist doesn't matter. Whether he smoked cocaine and bummed cigarettes and had sex with old men, doesn't matter either.
It may have mattered before the election, but it doesn't now. We're onto the next level of the thing now.
What matters now is why they have unleashed the hounds on him. And who are 'they'?
What are they trying to do here?
Why this sordid, base-level political porno?
Look, we all know who the guy probably is. Nobody's defending him.
But as long as we keep our eye on the pretty blonde in the red dress, we're going to end up with agent Smith's gun in our face again.
Look past the story to get to what really matters. Look at who's pushing this stuff, and ask why they might be doing it.
http://thetalkingpot.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/matrix-woman-in-red-dress.jpg
SilentFeathers
16th November 2013, 16:09
This story is another girl in a red dress walking through the matrix.
A distraction. The real question: who has declared open season on Obama? Why have they done it?
And why now?
Who's benefiting?
Whether he's gay, illegitimate, or the son of a communist doesn't matter. Whether he smoked cocaine and bummed cigarettes and had sex with old men, doesn't matter either.
It may have mattered before the election, but it doesn't now. We're onto the next level of the thing now.
What matters now is why they have unleashed the hounds on him? And who are 'they'?
What are they trying to do here?
Why this sordid, base-level political porno?
Look, we all know who the guy probably is. Nobody's defending him.
But as long as we keep our eye on the pretty blonde in the red dress, we're going to end up with agent Smith's gun in our face again.
Look past the story to get to what really matters. Look at who's pushing this stuff, and ask why they might be doing it.
This is why I've come to the conclusion that Obama must be observed as an event rather than as a person....
Observing him as a person is a complete distraction, it was designed and planned (VERY WELL PLANNED) to be this way. While every one is arguing and debating if he's an alien, anti-christ, an American citizen, Muslim or Christian, gay or straight, etc. etc etc, or even if he's black or white, is basically just a strategy to pull a whole nation down a rabbit hole of nonsense while they move forward with their shift of greed and destruction, enslavement and control. This is really actually genius and IMO, well thought out. They have pretty much left no stone unturned and made it about impossible to come to any verifiable and solid conclusions about the guy. He's basically just an invention of someones imagination, created out of thin air.
Observing him as an event and putting all the nonsense aside, we can poke our head a bit outside of the rabbit hole and see a bit more clearly what is actually happening, the event horizon comes in to focus and the illusion forced upon us begins to evaporate....
blufire
16th November 2013, 16:20
This story is another girl in a red dress walking through the matrix.
A distraction. The real question: who has declared open season on Obama? Why have they done it?
And why now?
Who's benefiting?
Whether he's gay, illegitimate, or the son of a communist doesn't matter. Whether he smoked cocaine and bummed cigarettes and had sex with old men, doesn't matter either.
It may have mattered before the election, but it doesn't now. We're onto the next level of the thing now.
What matters now is why they have unleashed the hounds on him. And who are 'they'?
What are they trying to do here?
Why this sordid, base-level political porno?
Look, we all know who the guy probably is. Nobody's defending him.
But as long as we keep our eye on the pretty blonde in the red dress, we're going to end up with agent Smith's gun in our face again.
Look past the story to get to what really matters. Look at who's pushing this stuff, and ask why they might be doing it.
I agree wholeheartedly . . . . . . so let’s flesh this out and I would suggest we don’t go down the ‘usual easy path’ of they are all insane psychopaths out to enslave and murder us.
Nasu
16th November 2013, 16:56
This story is another girl in a red dress walking through the matrix.
A distraction. The real question: who has declared open season on Obama? Why have they done it?
And why now?
Who's benefiting?
Whether he's gay, illegitimate, or the son of a communist doesn't matter. Whether he smoked cocaine and bummed cigarettes and had sex with old men, doesn't matter either.
It may have mattered before the election, but it doesn't now. We're onto the next level of the thing now.
What matters now is why they have unleashed the hounds on him. And who are 'they'?
What are they trying to do here?
Why this sordid, base-level political porno?
Look, we all know who the guy probably is. Nobody's defending him.
But as long as we keep our eye on the pretty blonde in the red dress, we're going to end up with agent Smith's gun in our face again.
Look past the story to get to what really matters. Look at who's pushing this stuff, and ask why they might be doing it.
I agree wholeheartedly . . . . . . so let’s flesh this out and I would suggest we don’t go down the ‘usual easy path’ of they are all insane psychopaths out to enslave and murder us.
I agree too, It's a shell game, my take, for what it's worth is either he is an event waiting to happen, or he we are watching his designed decline, perhaps he is starting to be thrown to the wolves in readyment for the next savior, the one to get us back on track!!! Queue Arny and the conservative, republican back to basics dialectic... N
SilentFeathers
16th November 2013, 17:08
I would suggest we don’t go down the ‘usual easy path’ of they are all insane psychopaths out to enslave and murder us.
For most, this would be the most difficult path to wander down IMO, for most wouldn't believe this to be actually true.
Personally I believe that insane psychopaths may indeed be out to enslave and or murder us, that sometimes the obvious is the truth :)
T Smith
16th November 2013, 17:19
Thinking of Obama as an "event" rather than a person, well, opens many more doors to places for exploration.
I agree with this. When one does think of Obama as a "person" and not an event, the overwhelming (and somewhat uncomfortable conclusion to those who demand individual accountability and/or loath any suggestion of condoning psychopathy) is the human being, whoever or whatever he is, is just as likely a victim as he is a witting accomplice. Even knowing this, I cannot bring myself to condone his actions as witting or unwitting asset, whatever the case. But the truth of the matter is, Barack Obama, if indeed manipulated from birth, is very likely a tortured being with all but an intellectual understanding of his humanity extracted.
Ron Mauer Sr
16th November 2013, 17:27
Observing him as a person is a complete distraction, it was designed and planned (VERY WELL PLANNED) to be this way. While every one is arguing and debating if he's an alien, anti-christ, an American citizen, Muslim or Christian, gay or straight, etc. etc etc, or even if he's black or white, is basically just a strategy to pull a whole nation down a rabbit hole of nonsense while they move forward with their shift of greed and destruction, enslavement and control. This is really actually genius and IMO, well thought out. They have pretty much left no stone unturned and made it about impossible to come to any verifiable and solid conclusions about the guy. He's basically just an invention of someones imagination, created out of thin air.
I would not be surprised to learn that Obama the human has been replaced by Obama the clone. The 'powers that be' appear to have that capability.
Whichever is the case, puppets are always expendable, as are the banksters and illuminati who manipulate humanity. The plan may be to get rid of them all when they are no longer useful. If the NWO and a new :bs: religion is established that incorrectly portrays ETs as our saviors, why would the non-human 'powers that be' let any human manipulator live who may later offer a first hand story that contrasts with the official story of a new :bs: religion?
778 neighbour of some guy
16th November 2013, 17:47
There are worse scenarios than Obama. Sarah Palin could be president. We could be in more wars.
Correct, pro life Christian extremists love it when they can send their former babies of to some war to die in as soon as they turn 18, someone should tell them how abstinence actually works;).
Don't f@ck around can be interpreted in as many ways as you see fit to do this expression justice;)
Bill Ryan
16th November 2013, 17:49
My guess, given all the information, is that Barack Obama is a fully-controlled asset, a highly and fully-functioning Mark David Chapman, Sirhan Sirhan or David Hinkley type. It appears he may be a CIA asset from birth. Colin Powell or any other more credible prospect--and you are right there are scores of them--would bring far less baggage. But what Barack Obama, the asset, offers, if indeed he was groomed from birth, is a complete tabula rasa. This type of individual would be a dream prospect to an MK-ULTRA black-ops engineer(s), and probably the most successful type of mind-control asset. Even if you were to infiltrate other more prominent individuals with some success, and even at some point early on in their lives, they would be far less malleable, in the psychopathic sense, and in some regards, far more risky. Perhaps what appears on the surface to be more risky by inserting Barack Obama as manchurian is really the lesser of two evils. I would also guess that the little handicap of Barack Obama's dubious past is probably something his handlers, given their ever-increasing hubris, calculated as manageable in the infowar. We have to consider that somehow this quality of individual has managed to win the election of POTUS TWICE without any serious vetting, and despite all this information, which in some circles is commonly known. And of course even if all this information blows up and becomes unmanageable, the architects can capitalize on the crisis in the exact manner as you suggest in your P-R-S dialectic. It may even be the desired plan in the event their asset does not execute their agenda in precisely the intended manner.
I am speculating, of course, but all the information and data points I've come across--and I've done a fair amount of study and research on this--strongly points to this conclusion.
Good analysis (and I do sincerely appreciate everyone's reflections and input on this thread): I agree with GoodeTXSG (see below)... I think you may have nailed it.
Very good info,
I am tired of hearing that he is a white hat and secretly will save us all... Sick of it!
He is a PLANT and an ASSET!!! A Puppet... A Cut Out... Pure and simple (A lot easier to control than Clinton would have been... but they moved their agenda as wanted and she will get her shot I am sure!)..
The last video and the description of him as a teen age boy is very similar to what has been described to me by some people that spent time with him. They have to rotate his SS Agents to make sure one of them doesn't spend too much time around him and WOULD take one for him... "THEY" shake up that Military and Secret Service tree pretty often up there, I see why there is so much paranoia.
A LOT can be rolled back that has his signatures on it IF we ever have the peaceful coup that is needed and the "ELITE" Bankster Dark Souls are removed from our "YOKES"...
TY For the info Bill
Exactly. He is no 'white hat', and never has been. He's actually very dangerous.
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This was the first 15 mins of the Jeff Rense interview with Mia Pope, which followed a few days after she broke her story.
I'd VERY much appreciate a link to the full interview, privately or publicly (I'm not a Rense subscriber).
Well, it would go along with this:
The First Time I Heard of "Barack"
By Mr. Tom Fife
California businessman
During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid-1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M. He had a wife named T.M.
V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause - a cause she obviously was not abandoning.
One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture was invited to V. & T.'s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions. As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge - one her husband tried to quietly rein in.
The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this: "You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven't you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn't do it." (She was referring to Geraldine Ferraro.)
The general response went something along the lines that you don't vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don't vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.
"Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon."
The consensus we expressed was that we didn't think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.
"What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?"
The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, "Well, you will; and he will be a Communist."
It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, "It sounds like you know something we don't know."
"Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call "Ivy League". You don't believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. (snip racist comment) And he's going to be your President."
She became smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly - as though all were foregone conclusions. "It's all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won't have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He's gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America."
We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he'd be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.
She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.
She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. "Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet."
At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn't understand what the point was and don't recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.
Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: "If I remember correctly, 'Barack' comes from the Arabic word for 'Blessing.' That seems to be an odd name for an American." She replied quickly, "Yes. It is 'African'", she insisted, "and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world."
She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way. So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?
Well, it's definitely anecdotal. It doesn't prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.
Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread412312/pg1
http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi...i?ArtNum=10570 (http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=10570)
“This is Tom Fife
Background: I have a degree in Physics and have worked primarily in aerospace and software development. In 1991 I became involved with an Englishman who was performing relief efforts into the collapsing Soviet Union. These efforts were performed through Orthodox churches in Britain and the US plus some churches in Germany. Money was raised from all over and sent to Germany to purchase the goods, which were then trucked into Moscow to be distributed by the Patriarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church.While doing all of this, I met many talented people in the Russian Academy of Science and eventually formed a Joint-Venture with some to develop sophisticated software.Dr. M. headed the Russian side. He had a wife whom people told me was a staunch Communist. It is my understanding that she was one of the party officials that worked in a company to be the contact point and keep a party eye on things. She was degreed in her own right and was a solid right hand to her husband.Why did she get so loose-tongued? I am not sure, but there were traditional Russian toasts being delivered through the evening and each of those were punctuated by a shot of very cold vodka. Also, there were some remarks made by an American in our group concerning his observations of the racial make up of the Russian people. This visibly irritated her, and I believe that was the emotional trigger for her to want to predict a racial comeuppance for the white America to which we were returning.Why didn't I publish the story upon my return in 1992? At that point it was talk. It was very disturbing talk, but I had a life that I was living and that kept me busy while I wasn't sure how I could every attempt to track down this mystery man she mentioned. In the end, he never left my mind really, but I didn't ruminate on it, either. I did mention this to my son upon my return and it was because of that that he is my most solid defender. He remembers me warning him in 1992 to beware of a mulatto guy running for president with such and such laundry list of attributes.”
“Tom Fife is legitimate. I worked with him in the aerospace industry that he makes reference to. I was also associated with him in an ultimately unsuccessful research company. I have known Tom since 1982. I have never know him to lie about anything. Everything he says in his original essay and in this blog are consistent with the facts as I know them. He has told me the full names of V. and T. He does not want to reveal their names before they are tracked down and interviewed.
When this is all verified and fully exposed it will be the biggest news in at least a generation.”
American Town Meeting
Very important indeed, and many thanks ... I had NOT been aware of this.
listing to mia pope I honestly have to say I think shes talkin ****.
even with all barack barry has done I think he is part of an agenda for the better of all...
You could not be more wrong, on both counts.
Mia Pope is definitely the real deal: just listen to her. Ignore the interviewer if that influences your judgement about HER.
She is no storyteller. She's a Christian, motivated by her sincere conscience. To me, this seems obvious.
Obama "part of an agenda for the better of all"? I respect all Avalon members, but... give me a break. This is either totally unintelligent, totally uninformed, or maybe both.
TODD & NORA
16th November 2013, 18:02
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Robin
16th November 2013, 18:06
Remembering the interview with Andrew Basiago (Jumproom to Mars) where he said he met the bushes,clinton and obama in New Mexico and they were talking about all of them were going to become POTUS someday... is Andrew next? Do we really have a choice when we go to the polls? Is he as compromised as obama? What happened to America? Or the world!!!
To me, I think that what Pope has to say gives Andrew Basiago's claim that he and Obama were roommates in the Mars program more likelihood of it have happened.
Basiago's claim is completely separate from Pope's claim, of course, but I do think that Obama has been groomed in more ways than we know.
It is also a possibility that he did not expect to be controlled and manipulated to the degree that he has in his presidency. Because of that, he may secretly want to remove his shackles from the PTB, but that doesn't mean he is a White Hat. He may want to overthrow the PTB for his own selfish reasons.
blufire
16th November 2013, 18:09
I would suggest we don’t go down the ‘usual easy path’ of they are all insane psychopaths out to enslave and murder us.
For most, this would be the most difficult path to wander down IMO, for most wouldn't believe this to be actually true.
Personally I believe that insane psychopaths may indeed be out to enslave and or murder us, that sometimes the obvious is the truth :)
You know, I used to really believe this ‘conspiracy’ that you have said (people being murdered and enslaved), but not any longer.
For the simple fact that if ‘they’ really wanted this it would have already been done or ‘they’ would not be advancing technology that is actually doing the opposite.
If ‘they’ truly wanted to simply eliminate millions or even billions of people worldwide then they would STOP advancing medicine that keeps people alive for longer than ever before and especially people in 3rd world countries that are ravaged by complicated ruthless diseases or how about global hunger? I know this is a huge sore topic for most on Avalon but if it weren’t for gmo grains billions in third world countries would be dead. Remember the massive starvation of the 60’s and 70’s? This has nearly been eliminated.
The technology that is being quickly advanced and implemented is in all actuality saving billions of people and although not in any way near perfect.
Look at the people that are suffering in the Philippines from the typhoon. I watched a news broadcast where thousands of tons of food and water is being brought in by the US military. Guess what is in those crates of food . . . . . rice and other foods made grains that are gmo.
I have seen the thread about this typhoon being geo-engineered by ‘them’ to murder these people . . . . okay but then why send food, water and medicine? Did the ‘haarp technology’ create this typhoon or did it actually do something to lessen the effects? The typhoon was already formed and almost in top of the Philippines before the haarp signature appeared.
Do I believe there are other reasons for these ‘manufactured events’ and rescues’, YES!
But not in order to enslave or murder. Yes! We are being manipulated and herded into a global unification under one government. Will this be easy or will this new world be comfortable for the majority . . . sadly NO. But this technology will at least give people a fighting chance.
If ‘they’ wanted millions or billions of us dead it would have already happened.
gripreaper
16th November 2013, 18:24
OK, I’ll bite. Obama is part of an agenda for the betterment of all, as is GMO foods saving billions of lives, as well as other emerging technologies designed to preserve the genome and advance towards a unified consciousness and one world structure.
So, the elite are not evil psychopath’s hell bent on managing their human assets for any personal hedonistic aggrandizement of their baser instincts of power and control. The elite are steering their corporation earth towards the best possible outcome.
So, please expand on this theory and fill in all the missing blanks and refute those who claim, based on thousands of years of recorded history, that earth and the human genome was manipulated and altered, and that these interlopers have a personal agenda which goes against nature and the collective will of all sentient beings.
Lets drill down and put this one to bed as soon as possible.
Bill Ryan
16th November 2013, 18:27
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@ blufire: after reading your post #106 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65473-Who-really-is-Barack-Obama-THIS-APPEARS-TO-BE-THE-TRUTH.&p=758742&viewfull=1#post758742) (with some disbelief, I have to admit), I'd like to ask you this question:
even with all barack barry has done I think he is part of an agenda for the better of all...
Do you agree with this statement that Obama is "part of an agenda for the better of all?"
Please answer definitively and with detailed reasons. Many thanks.
778 neighbour of some guy
16th November 2013, 18:34
You know, I used to really believe this ‘conspiracy’ that you have said (people being murdered and enslaved), but not any longer.
Blu, as far as I know you by means of your birth certificate and social security number are traded as a future on the stock market, they are betting with what they assume you will earn for the rest of your natural life.
SilentFeathers
16th November 2013, 18:44
I would suggest we don’t go down the ‘usual easy path’ of they are all insane psychopaths out to enslave and murder us.
For most, this would be the most difficult path to wander down IMO, for most wouldn't believe this to be actually true.
Personally I believe that insane psychopaths may indeed be out to enslave and or murder us, that sometimes the obvious is the truth :)
You know, I used to really believe this ‘conspiracy’ that you have said (people being murdered and enslaved), but not any longer.
For the simple fact that if ‘they’ really wanted this it would have already been done or ‘they’ would not be advancing technology that is actually doing the opposite.
If ‘they’ truly wanted to simply eliminate millions or even billions of people worldwide then they would STOP advancing medicine that keeps people alive for longer than ever before and especially people in 3rd world countries that are ravaged by complicated ruthless diseases or how about global hunger? I know this is a huge sore topic for most on Avalon but if it weren’t for gmo grains billions in third world countries would be dead. Remember the massive starvation of the 60’s and 70’s? This has nearly been eliminated.
The technology that is being quickly advanced and implemented is in all actuality saving billions of people and although not in any way near perfect.
Look at the people that are suffering in the Philippines from the typhoon. I watched a news broadcast where thousands of tons of food and water is being brought in by the US military. Guess what is in those crates of food . . . . . rice and other foods made grains that are gmo.
I have seen the thread about this typhoon being geo-engineered by ‘them’ to murder these people . . . . okay but then why send food, water and medicine? Did the ‘haarp technology’ create this typhoon or did it actually do something to lessen the effects? The typhoon was already formed and almost in top of the Philippines before the haarp signature appeared.
Do I believe there are other reasons for these ‘manufactured events’ and rescues’, YES!
But not in order to enslave or murder. Yes! We are being manipulated and herded into a global unification under one government. Will this be easy or will this new world be comfortable for the majority . . . sadly NO. But this technology will at least give people a fighting chance.
If ‘they’ wanted millions or billions of us dead it would have already happened.
Obama the person; a man from a broken family now married with two beautiful children and he even has a dog! Through determination and hard work, and now model family man, Obama all on his own succeeded and made it all the way to the White House.....wow! proof the American dream is real!
blufire
16th November 2013, 18:50
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@ blufire: after reading your post #106 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65473-Who-really-is-Barack-Obama-THIS-APPEARS-TO-BE-THE-TRUTH.&p=758742&viewfull=1#post758742) (with some disbelief, I have to admit), I'd like to ask you this question:
even with all barack barry has done I think he is part of an agenda for the better of all...
Do you agree with this statement that Obama is "part of an agenda for the better of all?"
Please answer definitively and with detailed reasons. Many thanks.
You are gonna have to clarify Bill before I can answer.
Do you want me to answer in the context of child hood’s end statement because you used his/her post?
Because if I did answer within that context then it would be an undeniable emphatic no.
Also, if we are going to go down the road that Obama is the antichrist or the forerunner of the ‘true’ antichrist, then we are going to have to define who Christ was and if we support/believe the organized religion and dogma of Christianity
My short answer to that is I do not believe he is the antichrist OR the forerunner to the true antichrist because most have not a clue who Jesus Christ actually was and why his bloodline is so important . . . .
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You know, I used to really believe this ‘conspiracy’ that you have said (people being murdered and enslaved), but not any longer.
Blu, as far as I know you by means of your birth certificate and social security number are traded as a future on the stock market, they are betting with what they assume you will earn for the rest of your natural life.
LOL . . . .I will give them all the goat milk and firewood they need. I’ll even throw in some peach moonshine I just finished up.
Redstar Kachina
16th November 2013, 18:51
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blufire
16th November 2013, 18:58
OK, I’ll bite. Obama is part of an agenda for the betterment of all, as is GMO foods saving billions of lives, as well as other emerging technologies designed to preserve the genome and advance towards a unified consciousness and one world structure.
So, the elite are not evil psychopath’s hell bent on managing their human assets for any personal hedonistic aggrandizement of their baser instincts of power and control. The elite are steering their corporation earth towards the best possible outcome.
So, please expand on this theory and fill in all the missing blanks and refute those who claim, based on thousands of years of recorded history, that earth and the human genome was manipulated and altered, and that these interlopers have a personal agenda which goes against nature and the collective will of all sentient beings.Lets drill down and put this one to bed as soon as possible.
. . . .and you actually believe all those years of ‘recorded history’ grip?
RMorgan
16th November 2013, 19:00
Here´s my take on the subject.
Is Obama a puppet? Yes, just like most other politicians, probably a little bit more controllable than the rest.
Is Obama exclusively an actor? No. He's not the only politician who received professional acting lessons. Acting coaching is common in politics.
Does it matter if he's secretly gay or an ex drug addict? No, at least we can't judge anyone on these merits alone. There are many good gay people and drug addicts. I have no prejudice against them at all.
Is Obama honest? No. We have enough evidence to prove it already. He was caught telling lies a lot of times and he didn't fulfill any of his major electoral promises.
Is he significantly different from any possible contemporary president? No. Money is what wins elections, and the people who finance political campaigns are always the same, meaning that ultimately they're the ones who control everything, independently of the elected president...Whoever wins an election is subjected to be controlled by the people who invested in his campaign.
So, for me, he's just more of the same. Probably a little bit worse, but just a little.
The next ones will be no different as long as it's permitted for private companies to donate money to political campaigns. Private companies don't donate, they invest.
Raf.
blufire
16th November 2013, 19:12
Don't EVER lose sight of the fact that the name of the game is CONTROL.
Yes and whether one understands the outcome and reason of the control.
Then I would suggest once you (if you want to) understand the reason and supposed outcome of the control you then read Sun Tzu’s book ‘The Art of War’
Once one understands the foundational reasons ‘control’ slips away. . . . but if choose to apply your own ‘control’ in defense then you become a victim (again) of their initial control.
onawah
16th November 2013, 19:15
I think the following, just posted by Simon, may have some bearing on this discussion:
No, what happens to the US, happens to the world - the US is the key to the situation, and anyone who splits Europe away from the happenings in the states is not connected to the game plan.
1) Fukusyhima was not a natural accident, had there been no intervention from " another place" it would have been far, far worse. I have been sent a satellite picture, which I put up on the web, showing the spread of radation into the sea.
your own West coast onwash, who would eat fish from many parts of your shores ? There is a school of thought that radiation is a key to advancing human frequencies and indeed although governments are hiding the facts there are more and more earth Humans who actively seek out radiation without a breakdown in their cell structor - watch this space -
2) Bees - correct GMO do not need bees - as a standby in your country the patent has been filed for micro-robotic-bees - GMO is to be used as a weapon in terms of cash crops when food collapses from its present production rate to 65 - 75 % of its current base.
3) vacines are used to prevent earth Humans re-joining their DNA strands and to weaken the body - this tactic has failed, dna strands are re-forming.
He hasn't answered any questions yet about Obama, that I am aware, but the thread is here, if anyone wants to ask:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=758770&posted=1#post758770
mojo
16th November 2013, 19:15
Wonder what happened to the birther issue that Sheriff Arpaio was pushing for? Can we expect Mia Pope to be protected by a whistleblower program? Not very confident in that program any longer after Dr Judy Woods tried using it and the courts didnt take her case. Would the courts listen to Mia?
Always thought the true story of him would eventually come out by his relationship with past associates.
Reverse speech might be a tool to corroborate.
Here's what researcher David John Oates says about the use of this technology. (web site linked below.)
http://www.reversespeech.com/home.htm
"Human speech has two distinctive yet complementary functions and modes. The Overt mode is spoken forwards and is primarily under conscious control. The Covert mode is spoken backward and is not under conscious control. The backward mode of speech occurs simultaneously with the forward mode and is a reversal of the forward speech sounds."
There were some intriguing prognosticators uncovered by using reverse speech on Obama speeches that sort of validate what Mia Pope is saying.
blufire
16th November 2013, 19:18
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@ blufire: after reading your post #106 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65473-Who-really-is-Barack-Obama-THIS-APPEARS-TO-BE-THE-TRUTH.&p=758742&viewfull=1#post758742) (with some disbelief, I have to admit), I'd like to ask you this question:
even with all barack barry has done I think he is part of an agenda for the better of all...
Do you agree with this statement that Obama is "part of an agenda for the better of all?"
Please answer definitively and with detailed reasons. Many thanks.
. . . .and which part are you in disbief with (gmo part?). . . or is it my entire post?
onawah
16th November 2013, 19:27
It seems clear the methodologies used to cull the population cannot be so direct as simply wiping us out in one fell swoop.
That would have serious repercussions from other off-worlders for the perpetrators.
It appears they can, however, implement a multitude of insidious ways and means to wear away at our existence which are not so easy to prevent or combat, such as GMOs, vaccines, chemtrails, weather weaponry, etc. etc.
And perhaps the most effective one of all, channeled messages that enlist the energies of the most gullible humans to create an energetic umbilical cord to the negative off worlders, and all due to human "free will", though it totally subverts and perverts that concept and is actually a kind of mind control.
gripreaper
16th November 2013, 19:29
. . . .and you actually believe all those years of ‘recorded history’ grip?
Well, I've been to Egypt and seen the pyramids, stood in the kings chamber, sailed down the Nile and stopped at every temple and sacred site, looked at the things "carved in stone", the hieroglyphs, drawings and such, studied ancient Greek, Chinese, Indian, Hebrew and Roman history as well as the Sumerian stone tablets, Gilgamesh, Dead Sea Scrolls, Nag Hamadhi, Plato, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, and all of the other ancient carvings which basically tell the same story. Of course you could refute all this and a case could be made that all history is written by the victors, and is manipulated as well.
I’ve also read and studied Micheal Cremo, Joseph Farrell, Graham Hancock, Nassim Haramein, Michael Tsarion, Zacariah Stichen, Bruce Lipton, Eustice Mullens, Michael Tellinger, Andrew Collins, Gregg Braden, Ken Wilbur, and a host of others.
Even though I have never been (in this lifetime) in the Vatican library, or the ancient monasteries of Tibet where all of the history of planet earth has been preserved, it is undeniable that a central theme remains and can be corroborated with the archeological and genomic records as well as what we are witnessing now in our current experience.
If you have an alternative reality, which can be corroborated and substantiated based on the archeological records as well as the genomic records, please elucidate. Otherwise, I am leaning toward all those years of historical evidence, based on the archeological, genomic, biological, and written records in stone.
What else you got?
Hervé
16th November 2013, 19:33
[...]
If ‘they’ truly wanted to simply eliminate millions or even billions of people worldwide then they would STOP advancing medicine that keeps people alive for longer than ever before and especially people in 3rd world countries that are ravaged by complicated ruthless diseases or how about global hunger? I know this is a huge sore topic for most on Avalon but if it weren’t for gmo grains billions in third world countries would be dead. Remember the massive starvation of the 60’s and 70’s? This has nearly been eliminated.
[...]
That's the propaganda... the reality is pure psychopathic behavior: harm, maim or kill under the guise of "Let me help you..." :
Case 22A-B-C-D Hot Sodas Courtesy of Those... ? (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/)
In 1937, a chemist in immunology studies, Walther Goebel, at Rockefeller University reports on the urine analysis of dogs fed benzoic acid;
“When benzoic acid is ingested by dogs, it is excreted in the urine
partly in the form of hippuric acid and partly as a benzoyl ester
of glucuronic acid. The detoxication of aromatic [=benzene related] organic acids by conjugation with glucuronic acid is one of the important physiological mechanisms of man and certain animals.” http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/122/3/649.pdf (http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/122/3/649.pdf)
Clearly, this Rockefeller scientist believes that benzoic acid is toxic and has to be detoxified by the animal.
In 1943, another scientist at Rockefeller University writes a report on p-amino benzoic acid (PABA), citing that in very low doses it prevents sulfa antibiotics from working. At the time, sulfa drugs were the only antibiotics other than penicillin which was not yet in use. The scientist states that it has been shown to prevent sulfa drugs from inhibiting the growth of a strain of Clostridia. Yes, this is the same PABA chemical that was put in sunscreens.
[...]
Clearly, the utility of doing that study during the war was to figure out how to prevent the treatment of gas gangrene due to war wounds.
“one molecule of p-aminobenzoic acid antagonized 23,000 molecules of sulfanilamide” www.jem.org/cgi/reprint/78/4/255.pdf (http://www.jem.org/cgi/reprint/78/4/255.pdf)
[...]
When I thought about the US troop’s sodas sitting in the sun, I wondered what the petrochemicals turned into in the heat. I figured that the writer of that CIA internal memo might know. The writer, on investigation, turned out to be a microbiologist at the US Army’s Chemical and Biological Warfare Labs at Fort Detrick Maryland. I called him up and told him that I would like to meet with him over a cup of coffee. He agreed and we set a time and place.
[...]
In response to my questions he admitted that the water being used in Iraq was to his knowledge not the problem. He said that he wrote the memo because benzoic acid was being added to the sodas and was the “petrochemical derivative” that was of concern. He said that it was a very useful chemical to fed populations in war zones because its heat caused metabolites which increased their risk of dying from wounds and dysentery. I asked him, if that is the case, then why was it being used in sodas given the troops. He looked at me that I was dense or naive. He said, “It is there to decrease VA hospital bills.” I said, “But that is absurd.” He said, “No, think about it. If a soldier is healthy, not much happens when he drinks the sodas. But if he gets seriously wounded then he is likely to get a wound infection. Then he will die from it and not be a long term burden on the VA with an amputated leg, say.”
[...]
... You can go into an area where people are dying from dysentery and give them sodas and look like a hero. You know what the standard treatment for dysentery is now? Sodas. People consider them “safe” to drink beverages because they are sterile. Orange based sodas have the potassium in them that is needed to help replace the electrolytes. All you change is whether you heat them first as to whether you supply them to harm or help. It was truly a brilliant idea. We are really changing how we do things at the Lab. The people in the hot climates are overpopulating the world--now we can combat that effortlessly. People with AIDS in Africa, India, etc. just need a little help over the edge. We are giving them that help.”
[...]
What that “Final Solution” researcher had told me was that in the heat the Benzoate/Benzoic Acid turned into not just benzene but PABA (para-amino benzoic acid). There is some amino acids in the beverages, at least in ones with plant extracts in them. He said furthermore, some of it turns into PABA inside the human body where there are lots of amino acids and moderate heat as well. He said that the bacteria just need trace amounts of it to grow like a rocket. I said, I did not see how bacteria could grow on a crude oil slick. He said, “They can’t. But many of them grow better than ever before, when small amounts of oil is added to a lake. He said, look at all those contaminated lakes up near Detroit; people just changed their car oil and let the oil seep into the ground, or just a few drops of oil from their outboard motors got into the water. Bingo, the water is full of nasty bacteria.” He continued, “That is why the water is not drinkable in the US anymore, because it takes so little pollution by oil to make the bacteria take it over. I played skeptical and asked him to send me a paper on it. He did. I read it in some detail.
The paper was about a small town in Africa during an epidemic of cholera. Some inhabitants were given the pre-heated sodas and some were not. The town’s people were not told that they were being studied for how well they could be killed off! Both putting the benzoate in the sodas and the study were unethical in my opinion. The town folk believed that the researcher and his staff were there to help them. The mortality was 40% higher in the group given the heat treated sodas. This was not a town with a particularly high AIDS rate. Less than 10% of the people were HIV positive. The study had tested people for HIV. Those who had AIDS and cholera had a high incidence of death, about 80%, if they drank the heat treated sodas. Their mortality if they came down with cholera was high anyway, about 50%. Those with just cholera and regular sodas had less than a 2% death rate.
From Sue Arrigo's case 22B (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/).
Innocuous sunscreens and cosmetics to interact with laced vaccines and water from the "poisonned wells"... and there is the loaded gun held at the head of the female of the species of "useless eaters."
“Depopulation should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World….”. Henry Kissinger National Security Memorandum (NSSM 200) early 1970’s
sheme
16th November 2013, 19:39
It doesn't matter who the propaganda is designed to damn it is a low form of sensationalism designed to discredit the subject- the fact that so many members of Avalon are hurling rocks here because of these poorly photoshopped pictures and one fair skinned redhaired ladies testament (encouraged by some to believe she is doing the lords work)about I am not sure what. What ever Obama is- the quality of his opposition revealed here with tactics like these is embarrassingly similar to the PTW.
blufire
16th November 2013, 19:52
. . . .and you actually believe all those years of ‘recorded history’ grip?
Well, I've been to Egypt and seen the pyramids, stood in the kings chamber, sailed down the Nile and stopped at every temple and sacred site, looked at the things "carved in stone", the hieroglyphs, drawings and such, studied ancient Greek, Chinese, Indian, Hebrew and Roman history as well as the Sumerian stone tablets, Gilgamesh, Dead Sea Scrolls, Nag Hamadhi, Plato, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, and all of the other ancient carvings which basically tell the same story. Of course you could refute all this and a case could be made that all history is written by the victors, and is manipulated as well.
I’ve also read and studied Micheal Cremo, Joseph Farrell, Graham Hancock, Nassim Haramein, Michael Tsarion, Zacariah Stichen, Bruce Lipton, Eustice Mullens, Michael Tellinger, Andrew Collins, Gregg Braden, Ken Wilbur, and a host of others.
Even though I have never been (in this lifetime) in the Vatican library, or the ancient monasteries of Tibet where all of the history of planet earth has been preserved, it is undeniable that a central theme remains and can be corroborated with the archeological and genomic records as well as what we are witnessing now in our current experience.
If you have an alternative reality, which can be corroborated and substantiated based on the archeological records as well as the genomic records, please elucidate. Otherwise, I am leaning toward all those years of historical evidence, based on the archeological, genomic, biological, and written records in stone.
What else you got?
I have done the same as you have listed other than the part about the Nile River. I would add to the list that I have visited most of the Mayan and Aztec ruins. I have an extensive personal library. . . . .it took 156 */- boxes to haul it all from Kansas to Virginia when I moved.
What story do you see these ancients are saying? What theme do you see? What historical evidence are you seeing or believing is being presented
. . . . . or are you standing by the ‘interpretations’ of all this ancient information
Look I know I am being aggravating, but I tell you what, we can’t even interpret books and information that is right before our eyes and we are currently living so how in the hell can we stand solid on what was documented thousands of years ago.
Look at the Christian Bible. It is one book and look at the forty eleven hundred different churches and beliefs and interpretations based on this one book . . .not to mention the wars and hatred those interpretations have caused.
I am offering a different view based on years of observation and research and from my childhood contact. Most of all from what I see happening on a foundational level (globally).
I am coming from a very neutral balanced place . . .no fear . . no hate . . . just watching and remembering.
superconsciousness
16th November 2013, 20:10
It doesn't matter who the propaganda is designed to damn it is a low form of sensationalism designed to discredit the subject- the fact that so many members of Avalon are hurling rocks here because of these poorly photoshopped pictures and one fair skinned redhaired ladies testament (encouraged by some to believe she is doing the lords work)about I am not sure what. What ever Obama is- the quality of his opposition revealed here with tactics like these is embarrassingly similar to the PTW.
I strongly agree with you. I am missing what exactly makes Obama more insidious than any of our past presidents? They all have worked for big money and its chain of power. Bill Clinton was accused of being a manchurian candidate communist back in the day and the fact that really crude photoshop of Obama in drag is presented as credible evidence of his gay-ness - along with gay slamming as proof of his nefariousness - that the way he bummed cigarettes was psycho - is lame.
As for the claim of communism - that's all out absurd. Communism doesn't exist. There's still a show of it in China, but it's morphed into something entirely different and Russia? Is Russia communist? Is trying to create a national healthcare system proof of his manchurian roots? The Congress and military have it - but it's somehow disastrous if the whole country gets it?
The GMO agenda is the biggest threat we are facing - in my opinion. The aluminum dusting - the secret agendas .... but clearly Obama is not the architect of them and they have been going on through several President residencies. Please can someone illuminate why Obama is "the most scary"?
Bill Ryan
16th November 2013, 20:20
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@ blufire: after reading your post #106 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65473-Who-really-is-Barack-Obama-THIS-APPEARS-TO-BE-THE-TRUTH.&p=758742&viewfull=1#post758742) (with some disbelief, I have to admit), I'd like to ask you this question:
even with all barack barry has done I think he is part of an agenda for the better of all...
Do you agree with this statement that Obama is "part of an agenda for the better of all?"
Please answer definitively and with detailed reasons. Many thanks.
You are gonna have to clarify Bill before I can answer.
Do you want me to answer in the context of child hood’s end statement because you used his/her post?
Because if I did answer within that context then it would be an undeniable emphatic no.
OK, thanks! So you do emphatically NOT agree that Obama is part of an agenda for the better[ment] of all.
What do you think Obama's agenda is, then? I'd be interested in your opinion.
Also, if we are going to go down the road that Obama is the antichrist or the forerunner of the ‘true’ antichrist, then we are going to have to define who Christ was and if we support/believe the organized religion and dogma of Christianity
My short answer to that is I do not believe he is the antichrist OR the forerunner to the true antichrist because most have not a clue who Jesus Christ actually was and why his bloodline is so important . . . .
My reference to an 'Antichrist' was a metaphor. I meant it as a generalized descriptor for someone who is actually (or whose agenda is) purely evil, and whose function might be to implement the coup de grace, with a smile and an all-too-credible velvet glove.
This idea was a mere guess (one of many possible) to explain why Obama might have been set up to be the fall guy, a patsy to blame and pave the way for someone or something else: maybe much worse.
Don't EVER lose sight of the fact that the name of the game is CONTROL.
Yes and whether one understands the outcome and reason of the control.
Then I would suggest once you (if you want to) understand the reason and supposed outcome of the control you then read Sun Tzu’s book ‘The Art of War’
Once one understands the foundational reasons ‘control’ slips away. . . . but if choose to apply your own ‘control’ in defense then you become a victim (again) of their initial control.
I agree 100%. There are other ways to counter the plans of the NWO than taking pitchforks, or guns, to the streets.
Force is not the answer. Education, liberation, support, the provision of many kinds of enabling resources, and the encouragement of real freedom of thought, may be. And there are also many spiritual measures that can be taken to mitigate the designed controlling effects.
. . . .and which part are you in disbief with (gmo part?). . . or is it my entire post?
I disbelieve the following components of your post (and to debate them in detail might best be on a separate thread). My strong opinions are that:
We ARE being murdered and enslaved.
They are NOT not advancing technology that is liberating mankind. (Free Energy is totally suppressed, because it threatens the hegemony of Big Oil.) You surely know this. Visit Wade Frazier's thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet) and ask him. He understands, and will explain in detail if it is helpful.
There is no advancement of medicine (or anything else) that keeps people living quality lives for longer than ever before. I have a 1990 photo, that I can post separately, of a group of 45 centenarians in Vilcabamba, Ecuador, who were all over 110 (a hundred and ten) years old. No-one now lives that long there. The famous Vilcabamba centenarians are almost extinct.
The reasons for their demise are not known for sure, but in my opinion it's very likely to be because of the huge reduction of quality of the food in the local shops and markets. It was never medicine in the first place that kept these people alive and healthy for very long periods (the oldest in the group, I understand, was over 150). It was everything that was natural. And NOTHING that was UNnatural.
Scourges such as smallpox have been eradicated, and that's a good thing. But we should not think that statistically longer life is always a higher quality life. Visit any Old People's Home in the western world to see. The incidence of Alzheimer's is at a record high level, and that has everything to do with toxins and heavy metals that are not any part of the natural environment.
One of the entirely possible strategies connected with GMO seeds is to CREATE global famine and to reduce population that way. How? Create mass dependency, and then turn off the switch.
I do not believe AT ALL that this technology "gives people a fighting chance". I'd like to share an experience I had in a modern supermarket in Loja, Ecuador, about a year and a half ago. I've posted this before (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48933-SAMSARA-The-Movie&p=682612&viewfull=1#post682612), but it bears repeating.
The direct and vivid personal experience I had was that they really were trying to kill us all -- frog-in-the-heated-pot-slowly, and with enough information leaked out there so that disregarding it is our responsibility, not 'theirs'.
I knew this before as a concept, but this time it was palpable: I could stand in the globalists' shoes, and I felt their hate for the common person, as if we were so many verminous cockroaches. It was that strong. Their plan is to convince us to kill ourselves, and then laugh at us for being so gullible as to be like lemmings following each other over cliffs that should be obvious to anyone with perception and intelligence.
It's not necessarily true at all that if "‘they’ wanted millions or billions of us dead it would have already happened". They need to make us redundant first as the workforce of the world, and they're not quite ready to do that yet.
'Useless eaters' still work in the factories that make everything stockpiled in the thousands of underground bases. 'Useless eaters' still drive the machines that create those tunnel systems. When everything is automated -- then their plan is to downsize the human race. But not till the automation is in place.
I should clarify my stance, which is non-negotiable, rock solid, and crystal clear: that the NWO plans are evil, being implemented by evil people (and/or beings).
They do not have the best interests of humanity at heart. They are serving something else.
I profoundly disagree with your stance, and although I know you believe what you are saying, and I respect your courage in telling your truth, I feel that you are just as profoundly incorrect and I strongly suspect you have been misled by others who wish you to be a promoter of an evil agenda. And I write those words knowing exactly what they mean.
In my opinion, you are inadvertently doing the cause for human freedom a huge disservice. It is a significant personal frustration for me that you cannot seem to see this.
I do believe you are well-intentioned: but in your words and vectors you promote, you might as well not be.
risveglio
16th November 2013, 20:23
Well I think Obama is definitely a Marxist and I am not the only one. It's what is taught in our most prestigious universities. Sorry about the source (Beck scares me) but one of Obama's former schoolmates (maybe) explains it pretty well here.
What Obama and I Learned at Columbia: How to Destroy America From Within
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/what-obama-and-i-learned-at-columbia-how-to-destroy-america-from-within/
gripreaper
16th November 2013, 20:31
I am offering a different view based on years of observation and research and from my childhood contact. Most of all from what I see happening on a foundational level (globally). I am coming from a very neutral balanced place . . .no fear . . no hate . . . just watching and remembering.
I understand that. Correct me if I am wrong, but your "subjective" childhood experiences are corroborating the need for GMO, chemtrailing, microwaving and terraforming earth because of some cataclysmic "event" which will wipe out the current genome and is therefore necessary to sustain life "after" the event, based on the need for humans and animal and plant species to adapt and survive with radiation and the existing conditions which will be prevalent post apocalypse.
This is somehow benevolent on the part of the controllers to preserve the integrity and the survival of the species and there is NO ALTERNATIVE to this scenario. It is carved in stone so to speak.
Well, the alternative narrative, context and scenario, which is corroborated by history, suggests that a group of off world interlopers descended upon this planet and altered the DNA of the indigenous species for their own nefarious reasons, and are now reaping the results of that manipulation and find it necessary to alter the genome again in order to maintain that agenda.
All of our institutions: government, religious, education, media, finance and corporate production is designed for the benefit of these few psychopathic interlopers at the behest of the 7 billion sentient empathic hybridized beings on planet earth. The current structure of control can be back engineered thousands of years and corroborated by history.
Where you and I disagree, is whether these beings are benevolent or malevolent in their intent. I am leaning towards a nefarious viewpoint based on all of the available evidence. My added subjectivity is not corroborated with alien childhood visitations, but what is available historically and what is available based on what these elite are doing.
What these elite are doing goes against nature and goes against the current genome. This is fact, not a subjective interpretation.
Hervé
16th November 2013, 20:41
[...]
.... Please can someone illuminate why Obama is "the most scary"?
He is finishing the job started by his predecessors: look at his executive orders. Particularly the ones having to do with the by-pass of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and getting those so-called "US of A" directly under the fold of the "UN."
christian
16th November 2013, 20:45
A distraction. The real question: who has declared open season on Obama? Why have they done it?
And why now?
Maybe it is mostly just a distraction. But these new revelations could also be due to the growing courage among potential whistleblowers. After all, we're working on that!
1) Assisting People
a) Whistleblowers and others in a position to publish critical information
onawah
16th November 2013, 21:08
Gripreaper, are any of your conclusions based on Zecharia Sitchin's work?
RMorgan
16th November 2013, 21:14
Well I think Obama is definitely a Marxist and I am not the only one.
This is a common misconception.
Just tell me one thing Obama has done towards the Marxist/Socialist/Communist direction. Just one.
Sure, he's obviously walking towards fascism, but fascism itself has nothing to do with Marxism. Fascism is not a political system; It's a quality that can be applied to any political system.
This is the usual Alex Jones far right brainwashing...
As far as I know and as far as evidences go, Obama has been totally working in favor of mega-capitalist institutions, taking money from the poor and middle class and giving it to the super-rich, which is exactly the opposite of the Marxist ideal.
Raf.
Realeyes
16th November 2013, 21:17
[add on: please excuse, I am a slow writer, and the thread discussion has since moved on at a fast pace while I collected my thoughts to type my post below referring to the previous page discussion.]
Bill’s word “Disbelief” is a good word to describe my thoughts right now....when I read such insidious agendas are ‘somehow’ helping humanity....:der:
Earth’s history is millions of years rich, and quite frankly after 20+ years of researching deep down the rabbit hole, I no longer give a tinkers cuss what ‘god/ET’ that proclaims to be our progenitor of the Human Race, nor the same old stories of DNA mixing to appease some old galactic wars that keep our attention ‘seeking’ – just because they have dabbled with our 'vehicles DNA' does not make them our ‘Masters’ – each of US has SOUL & SPIRIT and are ETERNAL CONSCIOUS BEINGS.
After 40+ years of out of body experiences exploring Consciousness delving into levels that go way beyond physical form/ET’s etc – and discovering my Greater Aware Conscious Self of BEing Knowingness Spirit – I refuse to bow down or serve any ‘Being’ that proclaims they are ‘our gods’ and only ‘they’ know what is “best for Humanity” – I just know such concepts quite frankly are a total hoodwink of superstitious disempowering bullsh@. :noidea:
I say IT MUST BE TIME to allow HUMANITY to spiritually evolve ‘NATURALLY’ - we’ve had millions of years of outsider manipulation, DNA modification, Earth Changes etc, etc........................Yawn.......
I say Enough is Enough - NO MORE STEERING by ‘others’ and go mind your own business - WE WANT TO BE OURSELVES!
It is TIME for humanity to explore and reconnect and RE-remember their OWN UNIQUE Divine Consciousness bypassing any self appointed/acclaimed Inter-mediaries.
Surely it is TIME for HUMANITY to reawaken their Divine Conscious Co-Creator GODSHIP.
:wizard::wizard::wizard:
Bill Ryan
16th November 2013, 21:20
Well I think Obama is definitely a Marxist and I am not the only one.
This is a common misconception.
Just tell me one thing Obama has done in the Marxist/Socialist/Communist direction. Just one.
This is the usual Alex Jones far right brainwashing.
As far as I know and as far as evidences go, Obama has been totally working in favor of mega-capitalist institutions, taking money from the poor and middle class and giving it to the super-rich, which is exactly the opposite of the Marxist ideal.
Raf.
Hi, Raf -- risveglio will surely explain his view, but this might have been meant in the sense that Marxism <--> Fascism is not a linear spectrum, but a kind of circle where the "ends" actually loop round to meet.
It's arguable that both Marxism and Fascism are both fundamentally Totalitarian, in very much the same way. George Orwell made this plain in his [other] masterwork, Animal Farm. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm) Interesting subject to discuss separately.
SilentFeathers
16th November 2013, 21:25
911, Dubya the hero! Then by 2007 Most people are beyond tired of Dubya and can't wait for a new president....8 years of lies and war and no personality, Dubya proves he is no hero, stale and moldy Dubya paves the way for a "savior", a "hero"......enter Barack Obama 2008. People in tears of joy and relief welcome their savior...their hero.
(Read Obama's campaign speeches, he says all the right things, the savior/hero everybody wants!)
Cult of personality
A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized, heroic, and at times, god-like public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. A cult of personality is similar to hero worship, except that it is established by mass media and propaganda.
Personality cults were first described in relation to totalitarian regimes that sought to alter or transform society according to radical ideas.[4] Often, a single leader became associated with this revolutionary transformation, and came to be treated as a benevolent "guide" for the nation without whom the transformation to a better future couldn't occur. This has been generally the justification for personality cults that arose in totalitarian societies of the 20th century, such as those of Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini and Joseph Stalin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality
gripreaper
16th November 2013, 21:25
Gripreaper, are any of your conclusions based on Zecharia Sitchin's work?
Well, Stichen got some of it right, and other things he extrapolated and biased based on his subjectivity. Some have said he was commissioned by the Illuminati, of which he was a member, to interpret the Sumerian stone tablets and cylinder seals. Therefore, his interpretations are subject to additional verification from other sources in order to triangulate a postulate which has a high enough percent probability to be considered as a variable for a more collated and synthesized context.
The postulate which states that beings from other planets and solar systems visited earth and manipulated the genome, used these hybridized creatures to mine gold for themselves which they took off planet, and summarily eliminated all indigenous humans who were not part of their hybrids, while expanding their agendas and their influence across the entire planet, after almost totally destroying earth through a cataclysmic event which they themselves perpetuated, causing them to be stuck here for millennium until they were able to rebuild their technology which they lost...
Well, I think he got that part right. As far as Nibiru and the 3600 year orbit and some of his other postulates, there is no way to know for sure how correct he was or how influenced he was by his connections, commissions, and subjective bias.
RMorgan
16th November 2013, 21:41
It's arguable that both Marxism and Fascism are both fundamentally Totalitarian, in very much the same way. George Orwell made this plain in his [other] masterwork, Animal Farm. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm) Interesting subject to discuss separately.
Not arguable at all, Bill.
Marx was as man. The so called Marxism involves dozens of different schools of thoughts based in his writings.
Marxism, as well as Socialism, is a very generic term. There are Socialist models who are mostly opposed to each other in every sense.
The core of Orwell's brilliant book could be applied to any power structure;It's what we see every day in our own capitalist system, by the way. Power changes people, independently of the system. This has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism, left or right; This is mostly connected to human nature and the undeniable flexibility of morals.
Of course, this doesn't change that FACT the Obama has done nothing towards Marxism or even Fascist Socialism...He's been doing exactly the opposite, crashing both the poor and the middle class in favor of the super-rich and mega-corporations.
Obama is definitively not a Socialist or even Marxist.
Raf.
Gripreaper, are any of your conclusions based on Zecharia Sitchin's work?
Well, Stichen got some of it right, and other things he extrapolated and biased based on his subjectivity. .
Well, as far as all actual ancient Sumerian language experts state, and these are people from all over the world, Sitchin was not qualified to make any translations at all and the biggest part of his books came straight out of his imagination.
There are plenty of Sumerian dictionaries available online, which are basically the same that Sitchin used to write his books, and none of them are corroborative to his views.
So, as far as I have investigated, Sitchin's books are at least 90% fabricated, with no real substance at all.
In fact, the Sumerians left their own dictionaries. There's not really any space left to question if their interpretation of their own language was accurate or not.
Feel free to believe that Sitchin was more correct than the Sumerian dictionaries themselves, though...
Oouthere
16th November 2013, 21:50
Silent,
Do you believe it was because Bush was not a hero or because people knew 9/11 was reported as a lie and blacks will simply vote for a black man that caused Obama to win?
Over 75% of the blacks still believe Obama is doing a good job while roughly 60% of other races believes he is not.
Rich
risveglio
16th November 2013, 21:55
Well I think Obama is definitely a Marxist and I am not the only one.
This is a common misconception.
Just tell me one thing Obama has done towards the Marxist/Socialist/Communist direction. Just one.
Sure, he's obviously walking towards fascism, but fascism itself has nothing to do with Marxism. Fascism is not a political system; It's a quality that can be applied to any political system.
This is the usual Alex Jones far right brainwashing...
As far as I know and as far as evidences go, Obama has been totally working in favor of mega-capitalist institutions, taking money from the poor and middle class and giving it to the super-rich, which is exactly the opposite of the Marxist ideal.
Raf.
What's a mega-capitalist institution? Where is there capitalism again? I think there is plenty of horrible Marxism and Socialism in Obama and his policies. I say horrible because they are really horrible ideas, corrupt, horrible, ideas.
RMorgan
16th November 2013, 22:03
What's a mega-capitalist institution? Where is there capitalism again? I think there is plenty of horrible Marxism and Socialism in Obama and his policies. I say horrible because they are really horrible ideas, corrupt, horrible, ideas.
So, I would be glad to read your arguments indicating that Obama is a Marxist and has been applying Marxist policies.
Really, if you can substantiate your claims, I'd have no problems to change my mind.
By the way, mega-capitalist institutions are private corporations. In most Socialist models, basically, there would be no gigantic private corporations at all, specially those associated with essential commodities.
If Obama was a Socialist, one of the first things he would've done was to nationalize these companies. There would be no private corporations at all.
However, as far as I know, the USA is mostly owned by private corporations, though..And Obama's done nothing to change that.
SilentFeathers
16th November 2013, 22:09
Silent,
Do you believe it was because Bush was not a hero or because people knew 9/11 was reported as a lie and blacks will simply vote for a black man that caused Obama to win?
Over 75% of the blacks still believe Obama is doing a good job while roughly 60% of other races believes he is not.
Rich
I believe most people were fed up with the Bush presidency and Obama's campaign speeches were brilliant and a breath of fresh air. I also believe some white people didn't vote for him simply because he's black and I also believe many black people voted for him simply because he's black, but regardless of who voted for who and why doesn't really matter, IMO, Obama had the job before the votes were counted. The election was just a promotion/marketing of the guy, he can't be a winner without appearing to be a winner....
Oouthere
16th November 2013, 22:10
So free phones for the poor is not socialism? Forcing everyone to buy insurance even though they will probably not need it for at least 30 or 40 years is not socialism? Then what is it? When you take money from those that have and give to those that do not, that is a basic premise of socialism. It does not matter if the government directly or indirectly causes it.
Rich
risveglio
16th November 2013, 22:13
What's a mega-capitalist institution? Where is there capitalism again? I think there is plenty of horrible Marxism and Socialism in Obama and his policies. I say horrible because they are really horrible ideas, corrupt, horrible, ideas.
So, I would be glad to read your arguments indicating that Obama is a Marxist and has been applying Marxist policies.
Really, if you can substantiate your claims, I'd have no problems to change my mind.
By the way, mega-capitalist institutions are private corporations. In most Socialist models, basically, there would be no private corporations at all, specially those associated with essential commodities.
If Obama was a Socialist, one of the first things he would do was to nationalize these companies. There would be no private corporations at all.
So before we get started, nothing mentioned in the Beck hit piece counts as Marxist or Socialist? All his lets make people more dependent on government while destroying the lives of the middle class policies? None of those count? How about the bailing out of GM, was that not at all a bit socialist, nationalizing a company the only way he legally could, does that count?
SilentFeathers
16th November 2013, 22:14
What's a mega-capitalist institution? Where is there capitalism again? I think there is plenty of horrible Marxism and Socialism in Obama and his policies. I say horrible because they are really horrible ideas, corrupt, horrible, ideas.
So, I would be glad to read your arguments indicating that Obama is a Marxist and has been applying Marxist policies.
Really, if you can substantiate your claims, I'd have no problems to change my mind.
By the way, mega-capitalist institutions are private corporations. In most Socialist models, basically, there would be no gigantic private corporations at all, specially those associated with essential commodities.
If Obama was a Socialist, one of the first things he would've done was to nationalize these companies. There would be no private corporations at all.
However, as far as I know, the USA is mostly owned by private corporations, though..And Obama's done nothing to change that.
This may actually be more of what your trying to say?
DISASTER CAPITALISM
A Neoliberal catalyst towards further vulnerability
http://www.academia.edu/1159959/DISASTER_CAPITALISM_A_Neoliberal_catalyst_towards_further_vulnerability
The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by the Canadian author Naomi Klein, and is the basis of a 2009 documentary by the same name directed by Michael Winterbottom.[1]
The book argues that the free market policies of Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman have risen to prominence in some countries because of a deliberate strategy of certain leaders to exploit crises by pushing through controversial, exploitative policies while citizens were too busy emotionally and physically reeling from disasters or upheavals to create an effective resistance. It is implied that some man-made crises, such as the Iraq war, may have been created with the intention of pushing through these unpopular reforms in their wake.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine
Oouthere
16th November 2013, 22:21
Hiya Silent,
Being from Mississippi and the only white person in my neighborhood probably gives me a distinct right to my viewpoint. No one I know or have heard of voted against Obama because he is black. To me it is almost too simple.
In the 1980's the soviet union stated they could not defeat the U.S. in a head-to-head fight and that it would have to be destroyed from within. I believe this is part of the communist/socialist fight to end free speech, free thought, free religion, and freedom in general. The U.S. is the last bastion of freedom, even if a corrupt freedom, on this earth.
Rich
RMorgan
16th November 2013, 22:32
DISASTER CAPITALISM
A Neoliberal catalyst towards further vulnerability
http://www.academia.edu/1159959/DISASTER_CAPITALISM_A_Neoliberal_catalyst_towards_further_vulnerability
Yes. This would be more accurate, indeed.
Sorry guys. With all due respect, you have received a very poor and biased sociological education...
Giving freebies to poor people is not Socialism; It's populism. Acquiring near to bankrupted companies just for the sake of stabilizing the market is not Socialism as well, it's a just a Neo-Liberal Capitalist measure.
Have in mind that, by any means, I'm defending Socialism. I'm just trying to avoid crude misconceptions here.
Private corporations are clearly in charge of the USA. If Obama was trying to implement a socialist system, even it was a fascist one, the Estate would be in charge of the country, not private owned companies. That'a a fact.
For all I know, Obama works for private owned companies, which are the same which financed his campaign. This is exactly opposed to Socialism.
He's been socializing the debts and privatizing the profits. This is not Socialism at all. It's just the opposite.
This is plain and simple Capitalist Corporatocracy. Nothing more, nothing less.
Raf.
SilentFeathers
16th November 2013, 22:36
Hiya Silent,
Being from Mississippi and the only white person in my neighborhood probably gives me a distinct right to my viewpoint. No one I know or have heard of voted against Obama because he is black. To me it is almost too simple.
In the 1980's the soviet union stated they could not defeat the U.S. in a head-to-head fight and that it would have to be destroyed from within. I believe this is part of the communist/socialist fight to end free speech, free thought, free religion, and freedom in general. The U.S. is the last bastion of freedom, even if a corrupt freedom, on this earth.
Rich
Ironically the guy is half white....regardless, the race card being played is all part of this Obama Event, part of the distraction factor of a much larger agenda.
norman
16th November 2013, 22:44
``
DISASTER CAPITALISM
A Neoliberal catalyst towards further vulnerability
http://www.academia.edu/1159959/DISASTER_CAPITALISM_A_Neoliberal_catalyst_towards_further_vulnerability
Yes. This would be more accurate, indeed.
Sorry guys. With all due respect, you have received a very poor and biased sociological education...
Giving freebies to poor people is not Socialism; It's populism. Acquiring near to bankrupted companies just for the sake of stabilizing the market is not Socialism as well, it's a just a Neo-Liberal Capitalist measure.
Have in mind that, by any means, I'm defending Socialism. I'm just trying to avoid crude misconceptions here.
Private corporations are clearly in charge of the USA. If Obama was trying to implement a socialist system, even it was a fascist one, the Estate would be in charge of the country, not private owned companies. That'a a fact.
For all I know, Obama works for private owned companies, which are the same which financed his campaign. This is exactly opposed to Socialism.
He's been socializing the debts and privatizing the profits. This is not Socialism at all. It's just the opposite.
This is plain and simple Capitalist Corporatocracy. Nothing more, nothing less.
Raf.
Raf, for the life of me, I can't see any difference between a meeting in the boardroom of a global corporation and a meeting in the Politbro of the old Soviet Socialist Republic. The schoolroom labels get in the way of clear thinking here.
I don't even think ( as I used to up till about 10 years ago ) that the distinction between Political collectivism and economic collectivism really exists.
It's just raw elite power by whatever route gets them there, and a hired mix of shills and soldiers to keep the law of the people off their backs.
gripreaper
16th November 2013, 22:51
Well, as far as all actual ancient Sumerian language experts state, and these are people from all over the world, Sitchin was not qualified to make any translations at all and the biggest part of his books came straight out of his imagination.
Which I qualified here:
Well, Stichen got some of it right, and other things he extrapolated and biased based on his subjectivity.
So, as far as I have investigated, Sitchin's books are at least 90% fabricated, with no real substance at all.
Which I qualified here:
Therefore, his interpretations are subject to additional verification from other sources in order to triangulate a postulate which has a high enough percent probability to be considered as a variable for a more collated and synthesized context.
Feel free to believe that Sitchin was more correct than the Sumerian dictionaries themselves, though...
Where did I say Stichen was more correct than the Sumerian Dictionaries? Look Raf, it’s a slow Saturday and if you want to “have a go” at me, that’s fine. You would just need to do better than that and actually find a point in which there was an error, discrepancy, or point of view you disagreed with. :)
Redstar Kachina
16th November 2013, 23:22
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T Smith
17th November 2013, 00:37
I would suggest we don’t go down the ‘usual easy path’ of they are all insane psychopaths out to enslave and murder us.
For most, this would be the most difficult path to wander down IMO, for most wouldn't believe this to be actually true.
Personally I believe that insane psychopaths may indeed be out to enslave and or murder us, that sometimes the obvious is the truth :)
You know, I used to really believe this ‘conspiracy’ that you have said (people being murdered and enslaved), but not any longer.
For the simple fact that if ‘they’ really wanted this it would have already been done or ‘they’ would not be advancing technology that is actually doing the opposite.
If ‘they’ truly wanted to simply eliminate millions or even billions of people worldwide then they would STOP advancing medicine that keeps people alive for longer than ever before and especially people in 3rd world countries that are ravaged by complicated ruthless diseases or how about global hunger? I know this is a huge sore topic for most on Avalon but if it weren’t for gmo grains billions in third world countries would be dead. Remember the massive starvation of the 60’s and 70’s? This has nearly been eliminated.
The technology that is being quickly advanced and implemented is in all actuality saving billions of people and although not in any way near perfect.
Look at the people that are suffering in the Philippines from the typhoon. I watched a news broadcast where thousands of tons of food and water is being brought in by the US military. Guess what is in those crates of food . . . . . rice and other foods made grains that are gmo.
I have seen the thread about this typhoon being geo-engineered by ‘them’ to murder these people . . . . okay but then why send food, water and medicine? Did the ‘haarp technology’ create this typhoon or did it actually do something to lessen the effects? The typhoon was already formed and almost in top of the Philippines before the haarp signature appeared.
Do I believe there are other reasons for these ‘manufactured events’ and rescues’, YES!
But not in order to enslave or murder. Yes! We are being manipulated and herded into a global unification under one government. Will this be easy or will this new world be comfortable for the majority . . . sadly NO. But this technology will at least give people a fighting chance.
If ‘they’ wanted millions or billions of us dead it would have already happened.
I have thought about this along the same lines. If they really wanted us all dead, why not just kill us? Why all the life-extending medicine? Why the GMO foods (secretly meant to disrupt our propagation, among other things) that in effect feeds those who would otherwise starve?
The answer is, in my estimation, because it wouldn't work. 99.99% of humanity would be fundamentally against this agenda were it ever in its entirety to enter into their conscious awareness. And a vast majority of that 99.99% unwittingly advance this agenda, by design... but the key word here is unwittingly... all those unwitting actors are required to advance the agenda. In other words, it's not that easy to effect mass eugenics, mass genocide, and mass murder on that type of scale, i.e. a Georgia-Guidestones scale, and retain power on the other end. TPTB rather require unaware participants to propagate the agenda, as foot soldiers, and completely unbeknownst to their conscious minds. It can never be too obvious to the victim, who is required to dig his own grave, or it simply wouldn't work.
When it becomes obvious to the victim they are playing the role of victim, they simply withdraw participation, and immediately. TPTB could effect tremendous damage, yes (I'm not saying they couldn't kill half the population on the planet) but their agenda could literally break down overnight if they were ever to try to do so or if they moved too fast. The spider and the fly analogy serves here. The spider moves in on the fly slowly and weaves an elaborate web because the fly can easily escape the grasp of the spider if either the spider or the web were ever to become visible. Even if TPB unleashed some horrible ELE event and scurried down into their DUMBS to wait it out, they would still depend on compartmentalized actors to execute whatever menacing plot they had in store.
I don't think you can just allow third world countries to starve when well-meaning entrepreneurs have a remedy. Those entrepreneurs are all part of the 99.99%, including a vast majority of scientists and researchers and high-level executives within Monsanto. There are many who think they are doing the right thing. The .01% needs to employ their life force and energy, as assets, to advance the agenda. That's how it works.
onawah
17th November 2013, 00:46
Here's what Simon Parkes had to say today on the thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=758838#post758838
The Summerian clay tablets were indeed planted ( the ones relating to the "creation" of Earth Human kind) the rest are real. But this is the elite way = mix truth with lies = for lies sown with truth are more likely to be accepted.
I agree - in relation to the Ashtar Command, I would not trust, for evidence = ( any culture that uses the term Command, is not an enlightened culture for it means a stratified society and gives " commands")
this is a big subject, its worth a good chat, but now I am tired, I have been on a while, I will soon return - all my love Simon
Personally, I have always felt that there have been many ET races here, contributing genes, technology, etc.--some for their own self-centered reasons, others out of compassion and to help undo the damage done by the self-serving.
A lot of the story that Sitchin gave us seemed to me to have truth in it, but not all.
And since most of us probably have "family" in many of the ET races, myself included, I don't want to be cut off from all the other races, but I would like us to be able to choose who we want to be here for the good of our planet and all its life forms, and to know the truth about our history, their history, and what everyone's agendas for being here are.
It seems to me that the only way that's going to happen is if humankind gets busy with our spiritual development, our discernment and taking responsibility for ourselves as much as we possibly can.
Being responsible also includes the ability to be receptive, responsive and cooperative.
It never really seems to be matter of a black and white, but all the various shades of gray as well.
Magnus
17th November 2013, 00:52
The photo of Obama in drag is clear photo shop and the fact that it's taken as fact by the presentation discredits some of this. Same with the accusations for dressing up for Rocky Horror Show. Although I don't doubt he's bisexual, I don't see how this is pertinent to anything.
Anybody who becomes President has stepped over dead bodies to get there. As for the gay allegations - who cares? And the drugs? Kennedy was a speed freak in office...most of them have been drunk. W was a blow head alcoholic. Clinton is a sex addict.
There are worse scenarios than Obama. Sarah Palin could be president. We could be in more wars.
Whatever Barry's sexuality may be, i agree that's not the point here, the actual point is, the way Pope and Manning are presenting their information.
If such claims are to be made, they'd better check the validity of their supporting evidence before presenting it as fact. If they can't do that, they would be better off excluding such things and just stick to discussing personal experience. Anybody can make false accusations.
gripreaper
17th November 2013, 02:26
I would suggest we don’t go down the ‘usual easy path’ of they are all insane psychopaths out to enslave and murder us.
For most, this would be the most difficult path to wander down IMO, for most wouldn't believe this to be actually true.
Personally I believe that insane psychopaths may indeed be out to enslave and or murder us, that sometimes the obvious is the truth :)
You know, I used to really believe this ‘conspiracy’ that you have said (people being murdered and enslaved), but not any longer.
For the simple fact that if ‘they’ really wanted this it would have already been done or ‘they’ would not be advancing technology that is actually doing the opposite.
If ‘they’ wanted millions or billions of us dead it would have already happened.
I have thought about this along the same lines. If they really wanted us all dead, why not just kill us? Why all the life-extending medicine? Why the GMO foods (secretly meant to disrupt our propagation, among other things) that in effect feeds those who would otherwise starve?
The answer is, in my estimation, because it wouldn't work. 99.99% of humanity would be fundamentally against this agenda were it ever in its entirety to enter into their conscious awareness. And a vast majority of that 99.99% unwittingly advance this agenda, by design... but the key word here is unwittingly... all those unwitting actors are required to advance the agenda. In other words, it's not that easy to effect mass eugenics, mass genocide, and mass murder on that type of scale, i.e. a Georgia-Guidestones scale. TPTB rather require unaware participants to propagate the agenda, as foot soldiers, and completely unbeknownst to their conscious minds. It can never be too obvious to the victim, who is required to dig his own grave, or it simply wouldn't work.
And I think you nailed it. A few examples are: World War 1 was supposed to be the "war to end all wars". That was the rallying cry to fervently arouse the populace into engaging in such heinous slaughter of others because it would eliminate once and for all, tyranny from planet earth. 50 million people lost their lives. Shortly after, the Spanish flu took another 100 million lives. WW11 took another 50 million lives and the population has since gone from 3.5 billion to 7 billion, doubled once again. Both of these events were perpetrated and engineered by the nefarious bankster cabal global psychopathic alien interlopers who have screwed up everything on this planet for millennia. I refuse to call this a conspiracy theory, it is FACT.
My point? Shortly after the mass genocidal exterminations, the populace just comes back with an accelerated degree of reproduction that is ten times faster than previous to the purge. So, what they learned is overt mass purging does not work.
What works better is for us to willingly kill ourselves, without these nefarious elite having to fire a single shot or waste a single ounce of their energy. So, as we embrace microwave technology in every aspect of our lives, we are willingly killing ourselves and embracing our own demise. Toxic food, air and water are just the icing on the cake.
heretogrow
17th November 2013, 03:31
I apologize upfront and have to tell everyone that I have not had time yet to read the responses from page five to eight. I hope to do that now. However there is something about Obama that has haunted me from the first time I became entranced by him. I am going to put this out here as crazy as it seems because maybe some of you had the same experiences of have felt the same way. if this has been postulated in the pages I have missed then I apologize in advance.
For me the strangest and most compelling thing about Obama has been, above and beyond the hypnotic qualities of his speeches, the second I tuned into him, I felt a familiarity like I had known him from before. Did anyone else experience that? Now as we are further unto the agenda I wonder if we were not implanted with a memory of him in order for all of this to take place. Really it has been uncanny for me. I have felt so connected to him that I have sought to give him hell and call him out on all of the unconstitutional laws of late. There is a very real familiarity of this man and I do not think this familiarity is natural. I believe we have been genetically implanted to accept what he has to offer. I believe the real challenge is acknowledging this and seeing it for what it is, a manipulation, whether via timeline of genetic, and start thinking for ourselves and realizing that this is the point in history where freedoms will slip away never to be reinstated in many lifetimes. I am asking you, dear friends, does anyone else feel like the familiarity level of this is off the charts with this guy? If so how far have we been manipulated and how do we take back the reins of our future???
onawah
17th November 2013, 04:47
More from Simon, on the same thread:
Hmmmm - on the 24th September operation BumbleHive went off line, just like CERN did. This big, big project of the NSA ( BumbleHive) was sent a sharp reminder that "others" watch and wait.
I am gathering from this that he means there are benevolent ETs who are involved here, who do not want to see more damage done and will act accordingly.
To see the whole picture, we have to consider all information, most especially that which we consider to be credible.
Knowing that we aren't alone and are receiving help when it's needed doesn't mean we can shrug off responsibility for ourselves, but it can also help us to avoid electing to just automatically believe the worst, as a kind of knee jerk reaction.
Wookie
17th November 2013, 06:26
So free phones for the poor is not socialism? Forcing everyone to buy insurance even though they will probably not need it for at least 30 or 40 years is not socialism? Then what is it? When you take money from those that have and give to those that do not, that is a basic premise of socialism. It does not matter if the government directly or indirectly causes it.
Rich
I call it New Age slavory rather than socialism, 2% realize they are slaves, 1% owners, 1% willing to face the facts. Think of the free phones not as a modern necessity but as the leash and collare that they realy are. Forcing the population to partake in Big Pharma is not bettering the population threw heath care but indenturing all those people into share cropping and debt slavory. When a government robs from the poor to give to the rich it should not be thought about as socialism.
Peaceful Journeys Wookie
araucaria
17th November 2013, 07:31
Well I think Obama is definitely a Marxist and I am not the only one.
This is a common misconception.
Just tell me one thing Obama has done in the Marxist/Socialist/Communist direction. Just one.
This is the usual Alex Jones far right brainwashing.
As far as I know and as far as evidences go, Obama has been totally working in favor of mega-capitalist institutions, taking money from the poor and middle class and giving it to the super-rich, which is exactly the opposite of the Marxist ideal.
Raf.
Hi, Raf -- risveglio will surely explain his view, but this might have been meant in the sense that Marxism <--> Fascism is not a linear spectrum, but a kind of circle where the "ends" actually loop round to meet.
It's arguable that both Marxism and Fascism are both fundamentally Totalitarian, in very much the same way. George Orwell made this plain in his [other] masterwork, Animal Farm. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm) Interesting subject to discuss separately.
The political spectrum is indeed similar to the colour spectrum, where red and violet meet to form the colour wheel, which is the basis of colour theory, although in this case, there is no ‘round the back’: it’s complementary colours all the way (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_wheel ).
Totalitarian far left and far right meet in the sense that they have the same populist constituency – those fallen by the wayside. This is particularly obvious here in France, where the far right feeds on the former communist vote in the same inner-city and other underprivileged areas. But round the front the sociological and economic situation is out of synch with the politics. The ‘centre’ is completely off-centre, rather like magnetic north deviating from true north.
For it is also true that left and right meet round the front at the point called centrism. Most so-called stable societies move very little either side of this point. It is also known as liberalism, a feelgood word for out-and-out capitalism. In other words, the political ‘centre’ is way to the right of the sociological centre, which would be the lower middle class. Hence you get someone like Tony Blair leading a ‘left-wing’ Labour party, who in his true colours becomes a multi-millionaire. Between the aristocratic right and the centre, you have the right of the nouveau riche. The US system is even further to the right, to the extent that the nouveau riche, the selfmade man of the American dream, is seen as something of a left-winger. Everyone is ushered rightwards by the drawing power of money and the use of ‘socialism’ as a dirty word. In other words, the political centre is currently aligned with the economic centre, which in terms of numbers is entirely and increasingly elitist.
Right-wing totalitarianism occurs seamlessly. Follow the money: bought-and-paid-for politicians financed by their wealthy neighbours on the political spectrum and pushed towards more control.
Left-wing totalitarianism on the other hand is a treacherous aberration: bought-and-paid-for politicians financed by their wealthy enemies on the political spectrum to abandon their own people. These are the wolves in sheep’s clothing, and their role is to disenfranchise the large populist constituency from the political system through the threat of totalitarianism. It also has the effect of turning away traditionally very left-leaning intellectuals (ever wondered why?) towards the right. As public figures, these intellectuals have been corrupted in one way or another: I doubt whether a purely intellectual process has led them to where they are; at all events, the kindest way of looking at them is to say they lack integrity. The right-wing loop has been twisted into the left-wing Moebius strip.
All in all, the sociological centre, where the vast majority of the population lie (regardless of their voting habits), is considerably to the left of the political centre, and heading further leftwards as the lower middle classes are increasingly pauperized. The objective of achieving critical mass will be reached when the political centre is aligned with the sociological centre – away from the economic centre. This has to be done by people with integrity: political integrity (avoiding the temptations of power), economic integrity (avoiding the temptations of money), and sociological integrity (avoiding separation from one’s roots by avoiding the temptations of social status). People with true humility prepared to see things as they are and act accordingly.
I see Simon Parkes is back on the forum. Welcome back Simon.
161803398
17th November 2013, 08:57
I think the PTB always pick presidents who have a weakness so they can be blackmailed and controlled. They picked Kennedy for that reason as well but got a surprise.
araucaria
17th November 2013, 09:04
I think the PTB always pick presidents who have a weakness so they can be blackmailed and controlled. They picked Kennedy for that reason as well but got a surprise.
The surprise came because Joe Kennedy groomed his eldest son for the presidency, but he was killed during the war. Jack was the younger brother who hadn't been groomed for so long. You find the same thing in the British royal family. Edward VIII was ousted (by Simon Parkes' grandfather among others) in favour of his younger brother, George VI. These surprises are the work of a faction within the PTB, hence the need not to generalize.
jackovesk
17th November 2013, 09:32
Apologies for jumping in, but I really hope some of you American's use your innate (COMMON-SENSE) to pave a (CLEAR-WAY) to the (TRUTH) concerning your beloved leader & (What do you guys call it?) .....aaha That's right...
Your ("COMMANDER in CHIEF")...! :pound:
Aussie Translation: Your ("COMMANDER in DEATH, DESTRUCTION & GOLF HOLIDAYS")...!
I really hope its (SINKING IN) this time America...:der: (Coz ya got no goddam future if it doesn't...:nono:) especially with the CIA Actor Barry (My Wife got Caught in a Honey-Trap) Soetoro leading you (ALL) down a path towards your ultimate demise so fast you won't see it coming even if you are AWAKE...!!!
PS - The question I'd like to ask Barry is...
Why did your wife get caught in a (HONEY-TRAP)...:confused:
PSS - In fairness to the Yanks, I think??? the (sleeping GIANT :lazy2:) is albeit...
...(sssssllllllooooowwwwlllllllyyyyy - sssstttttaaarrrttttiiiiinnnnnggggg - toooo - wwwwwaaaakkkkkeeeeuuuuupppppp)...:yes4: 'Thank God...:faint:
Hazel
17th November 2013, 09:33
As to the veracity of this thread..
Understandable then why when folks initially 'wake-up' to the conditioning of our societal constructs and personal perceptions that they may very well default to: Trust no one/nothing and keep your intuition laser focussed at all times..
161803398
17th November 2013, 09:41
And according to that book that Paul recommended his name is an anagram....well it is an anagram for Amen Ra is back BHO USA. I understand he had his name changed in British Columbia. This ties in with all the Sirius business surrounding 9/11 and the Egyptian New Year.
araucaria
17th November 2013, 10:09
And according to that book that Paul recommended his name is an anagram....well it is an anagram for Amen Ra is back BHO USA. I understand he had his name changed in British Columbia. This ties in with all the Sirius business surrounding 9/11 and the Egyptian New Year.
What is BHO?
Playing the anagram game also produces the following less American-biased result:
Abba's human race is OK
(where Abba is a name for God).
:)
Granted, there is a Satanic version wherein OK becomes KO: but that is definitely not okay, because Abba reverses, not to Satan, but to Abba.
161803398
17th November 2013, 10:17
Barack Hussein Obama is BHO
I haven't heard "Abba" before...something missing in my education.
Anchor
17th November 2013, 12:02
I apologize upfront and have to tell everyone that I have not had time yet to read the responses from page five to eight. I hope to do that now. However there is something about Obama that has haunted me from the first time I became entranced by him. I am going to put this out here as crazy as it seems because maybe some of you had the same experiences of have felt the same way. if this has been postulated in the pages I have missed then I apologize in advance.
For me the strangest and most compelling thing about Obama has been, above and beyond the hypnotic qualities of his speeches, the second I tuned into him, I felt a familiarity like I had known him from before. Did anyone else experience that? Now as we are further unto the agenda I wonder if we were not implanted with a memory of him in order for all of this to take place. Really it has been uncanny for me. I have felt so connected to him that I have sought to give him hell and call him out on all of the unconstitutional laws of late. There is a very real familiarity of this man and I do not think this familiarity is natural. I believe we have been genetically implanted to accept what he has to offer. I believe the real challenge is acknowledging this and seeing it for what it is, a manipulation, whether via timeline of genetic, and start thinking for ourselves and realizing that this is the point in history where freedoms will slip away never to be reinstated in many lifetimes. I am asking you, dear friends, does anyone else feel like the familiarity level of this is off the charts with this guy? If so how far have we been manipulated and how do we take back the reins of our future???
What about inner discrimination? Treat everything he (and others) say as if it were channeled information! You can do that. Don't trust anyone - even if they are smooth talkers - until they have earned it, and that may be never.
observer
17th November 2013, 13:39
Well, as far as all actual ancient Sumerian language experts state, and these are people from all over the world, Sitchin was not qualified to make any translations at all and the biggest part of his books came straight out of his imagination.
Which I qualified here:
Well, Stichen got some of it right, and other things he extrapolated and biased based on his subjectivity.
So, as far as I have investigated, Sitchin's books are at least 90% fabricated, with no real substance at all.
Which I qualified here:
Therefore, his interpretations are subject to additional verification from other sources in order to triangulate a postulate which has a high enough percent probability to be considered as a variable for a more collated and synthesized context.
Feel free to believe that Sitchin was more correct than the Sumerian dictionaries themselves, though...
Where did I say Stichen was more correct than the Sumerian Dictionaries? Look Raf, it’s a slow Saturday and if you want to “have a go” at me, that’s fine. You would just need to do better than that and actually find a point in which there was an error, discrepancy, or point of view you disagreed with. :)
I'm responding to grip's comment, not to single him out, but to help clarify a terrible injustice that appears to be shared by [some of] the members.
Zecharia Sitchin was a pioneer into a little known part of Human History. It is true, he didn't get everything correct, however, as researchers from renowned universities such as Oxford University, The University of Pennsylvania, and others have been decoding the Sumerian Cuneiform Cylinder Seals, over the past one hundred years, they are producing text that very much resembles what Sitchin reported.
Sitchin gleaned much of his interpretations from text found in the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Atrahasis, and The Enûma Eliš. All of these documents have been scrutinized by the most learned Sumerian scholars, and any one of us can also read those documents. The stories one would find very much resemble what Sitchin reported.
Anyone wishing to learn more about what the Anunnaki were, and how they have controlled this particular reality - right up to the present day - should spend some time researching Gerald Clark's work.
This thread is about "who Obama really is". If one looks closely at who the Anunnaki are, one quickly discovers that no one becomes King unless he is given the keys to the palace.
Research Resources:
The Anunnaki On Nibiru With Gerald Clark - Beyond Ordinary News -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8tYYkhU8gU
(move timer over to 36min.:25sec.)
The Atra-Hasis -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atra-Hasis
Epic of Gilgamesh -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh
The Enûma Eliš -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enuma_Elish
Contrary to what some of the members believe, none of these documents were "planted" in the deserts of Iraq and Iran by some group of extra-dimensional time-traveling extraterrestrials.
If one were to spend the time and research the links that can be found here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-Gerald-Clark-The-Key-To-Understanding-Disclosure), one would quickly realize the phenomenon known as 'implanted telepathic thought' is an electromagnetic technology that dates back to the Dawn of Man here on this planet, and is now a technology used by the Global Elite.
I now return the thread to the topic (although I never really diverged from that theme).
Link to other comments in this thread -
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65473-Who-really-is-Barack-Obama-THIS-APPEARS-TO-BE-THE-TRUTH.&p=758630&viewfull=1#post758630
SilentFeathers
17th November 2013, 13:42
I apologize upfront and have to tell everyone that I have not had time yet to read the responses from page five to eight. I hope to do that now. However there is something about Obama that has haunted me from the first time I became entranced by him. I am going to put this out here as crazy as it seems because maybe some of you had the same experiences of have felt the same way. if this has been postulated in the pages I have missed then I apologize in advance.
For me the strangest and most compelling thing about Obama has been, above and beyond the hypnotic qualities of his speeches, the second I tuned into him, I felt a familiarity like I had known him from before. Did anyone else experience that? Now as we are further unto the agenda I wonder if we were not implanted with a memory of him in order for all of this to take place. Really it has been uncanny for me. I have felt so connected to him that I have sought to give him hell and call him out on all of the unconstitutional laws of late. There is a very real familiarity of this man and I do not think this familiarity is natural. I believe we have been genetically implanted to accept what he has to offer. I believe the real challenge is acknowledging this and seeing it for what it is, a manipulation, whether via timeline of genetic, and start thinking for ourselves and realizing that this is the point in history where freedoms will slip away never to be reinstated in many lifetimes. I am asking you, dear friends, does anyone else feel like the familiarity level of this is off the charts with this guy? If so how far have we been manipulated and how do we take back the reins of our future???
Those speeches were in a sense a form of conditioning and mind control propaganda tactics, now many are realizing the extent of the lies and deception involved in them, and then there are many who don't even remember them and are drunk with illusion, holding on to their Obama phones like they are bars of gold.
Cult of personality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality)
Apotheosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotheosis)
Political religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_religion)
EYES WIDE OPEN
17th November 2013, 14:40
DISASTER CAPITALISM
A Neoliberal catalyst towards further vulnerability
http://www.academia.edu/1159959/DISASTER_CAPITALISM_A_Neoliberal_catalyst_towards_further_vulnerability
Yes. This would be more accurate, indeed.
Sorry guys. With all due respect, you have received a very poor and biased sociological education...
Giving freebies to poor people is not Socialism; It's populism. Acquiring near to bankrupted companies just for the sake of stabilizing the market is not Socialism as well, it's a just a Neo-Liberal Capitalist measure.
Have in mind that, by any means, I'm defending Socialism. I'm just trying to avoid crude misconceptions here.
Private corporations are clearly in charge of the USA. If Obama was trying to implement a socialist system, even it was a fascist one, the Estate would be in charge of the country, not private owned companies. That'a a fact.
For all I know, Obama works for private owned companies, which are the same which financed his campaign. This is exactly opposed to Socialism.
He's been socializing the debts and privatizing the profits. This is not Socialism at all. It's just the opposite.
This is plain and simple Capitalist Corporatocracy. Nothing more, nothing less.
Raf.
Just been reading this thread and I have to say that RMorgan, I always find your posts to be some of the best and most informed post on Avalon. They are also consistently level-headed and correct. :)
SilentFeathers
17th November 2013, 14:51
Jeff Rense & Mia Pope - Shocking Obama Revelations Pt 2
D2krC_DsLnI
Redstar Kachina
17th November 2013, 15:33
..........
Ron Mauer Sr
17th November 2013, 16:45
The same can be applied to today's political situation...it really doesn't matter who is President or which laws are passed. The Federal Reserve dictates the control and flow of money. Corporations benefit from the funds created, as evidenced by the stock markets. There is a measured pace in transferring control from the people to the corporations, governments and various cartels. This transference is happening faster than the upliftment of the masses. Without Earth changes, people would lose any hope of reestablishing control over their own lives. For a short period, a loss of control over everyday activities is inevitable...NOT a desired outcome, but we're stuck with a very disruptive transition from the Obamas, Bushes and Clintons of the world to whatever shall follow.
Only two ways humanity can exit slavery:
Massive upgrade of consciousness (divine intervention)
Big earth changes (dismantling of the control structures)
risveglio
17th November 2013, 16:56
DISASTER CAPITALISM
A Neoliberal catalyst towards further vulnerability
http://www.academia.edu/1159959/DISASTER_CAPITALISM_A_Neoliberal_catalyst_towards_further_vulnerability
Yes. This would be more accurate, indeed.
Sorry guys. With all due respect, you have received a very poor and biased sociological education...
Giving freebies to poor people is not Socialism; It's populism. Acquiring near to bankrupted companies just for the sake of stabilizing the market is not Socialism as well, it's a just a Neo-Liberal Capitalist measure.
Have in mind that, by any means, I'm defending Socialism. I'm just trying to avoid crude misconceptions here.
Private corporations are clearly in charge of the USA. If Obama was trying to implement a socialist system, even it was a fascist one, the Estate would be in charge of the country, not private owned companies. That'a a fact.
For all I know, Obama works for private owned companies, which are the same which financed his campaign. This is exactly opposed to Socialism.
He's been socializing the debts and privatizing the profits. This is not Socialism at all. It's just the opposite.
This is plain and simple Capitalist Corporatocracy. Nothing more, nothing less.
Raf.
Ah and I am sure your sociological education is far superior to us all. Love the little insults.
You are probably right that Obama is no more of a socialist and Marxist than just about every president we have had since TR. His rhetoric is a bit more socialistic, you didn't build that sort of bull****, but overall he is not any more socialist than the rest. It appears to me his playbook is taken right out of Communist Manifesto though.
"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.
Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production."
But I guess my education is too poor to understand it. What I really don't understand about your superior education is WHERE DO YOU SEE CAPITALISM IN AMERICA? You just have a really poor understanding of Capitalism.
soleil
17th November 2013, 17:10
at my most recent job, my boss played for everyone, obamas "fired up" speech. i was the only one not completely eating it up.
hes so contrived, i hope its going to be as easy to impeach him since the grounds to impeach holder are so much less in comparison.
how do we do the next step i wonder. councils instead of government?
SilentFeathers
17th November 2013, 17:37
Observing him as a person is a complete distraction, it was designed and planned (VERY WELL PLANNED) to be this way. While every one is arguing and debating if he's an alien, anti-christ, an American citizen, Muslim or Christian, gay or straight, etc. etc etc, or even if he's black or white, is basically just a strategy to pull a whole nation down a rabbit hole of nonsense while they move forward with their shift of greed and destruction, enslavement and control. This is really actually genius and IMO, well thought out. They have pretty much left no stone unturned and made it about impossible to come to any verifiable and solid conclusions about the guy. He's basically just an invention of someones imagination, created out of thin air.
I would not be surprised to learn that Obama the human has been replaced by Obama the clone. The 'powers that be' appear to have that capability.
Whichever is the case, puppets are always expendable, as are the banksters and illuminati who manipulate humanity. The plan may be to get rid of them all when they are no longer useful. If the NWO and a new :bs: religion is established that incorrectly portrays ETs as our saviors, why would the non-human 'powers that be' let any human manipulator live who may later offer a first hand story that contrasts with the official story of a new :bs: religion?
Who do you think he's a clone of? Akehnaten? freeman thinks so, I wonder myself sometimes :)
Also, do you think that this new religion could possibly be a political religion? perhaps a forced ideology to worship the NWO system itself as God?
Just curious about your thoughts in these directions.
Heartsong
17th November 2013, 17:55
Regardless of who Obama was or how he got to be President, as President he's one lost human being. He probably doesn't know a fascist from a communist, a socialist from a capitalist and certainly wouldn't promote one over another. The fellow is a consensus builder not a leader. He's not the one who will say "my way or the highway". In the political world of "winning is everything", he's a football coach telling everyone that it doesn't matter who wins it's "how the game it played." He wants everyone to go home happy.
Whoever or whatever prepared him for the job, Obama was set up to fail. Politics is not in his nature. Through his polished incompetence we have chaos. Nothing is getting done. Power is used indiscriminately. In Congress, energy is wasted in anger by those who are accustomed to winning/losing patterns.
Remember the phrase "order out of chaos?" I'm very leery of who will come next to offer up their services as President and am watching carefully who is funding them.
Mark
17th November 2013, 18:51
My perspective on this topic has been stated numerous times in the past 3 years. Controller manipulation, MKUltra, I agree with most here about what type of programming Obama has undergone. But, as I continue to contend, there are other issues as well that are at play. In the current discussion, I find the following aspect most fascinating as it corresponds to some of my most recent research in DNA and genetics.
Maybe it's a bloodline thing Bill. Maybe they found, in Barry Soetoro, some strand of rare, ancient, mystical bloodline that traces its way back to god knows who and where. 'They' - TPTB - love this sort of thing. Some sociopathic, megalomaniac figure from ancient history. Perhaps his (Obama's) was even a planned conception from the beginning, his parents brought together for this express purpose. Thus he was known, watched, and nurtured every step of the way, from childhood, to adulthood, knowing that one day he would be the perfect puppet - a black one too, serving a different agenda - and with all the perfect attributes. Who knows.
I would agree, Star Mariner. Emphatically. A couple of points:
Last of the Amarna Pharaohs: King Tut and His Relatives
http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf
Average MLI scores in Table 1 indicate the STR profiles of the Amarna mummies would be most frequent in present day populations of several African regions: including the Southern African (average MLI 326.94), African Great Lakes (average MLI 323.76), and Tropical West African (average MLI 83.74) regions. These regional matches do not necessarily indicate an exclusively African ancestry for the Amarna pharaonic family. However, results indicate these ancient individuals inherited some alleles that today are more frequent in populations of Africa than in other parts of the world (such as D18S51=19 and D21S11=34).
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/rahkyt/AAampEgypt1_zpsf9d394a4.png
Table 1: Top MLI (Match Likelihood Index) scores for Amarna mummies based on the world
regions identified by DNA Tribes® STR analysis. Each MLI score identifies the likelihood of
occurrence of an STR profile in that region versus the likelihood of occurrence in the world as a
whole.
The Akhenaton Dynasty's roots were indeed African and, therefore, Black-oriented, despite the mainstream media and many, many, many others insistence upon the Pharaonic Dynasties being European-oriented and Caucasian in nature. The evidence for that becomes more and more flimsy and evident of wishful thinking and willful ignorance by the hour. Whether Obama's father was Malcolm X, the Kenyan or the Black American philanderer, part of his roots do go back to Africa, the same as the Pharaohs in question. In support of the more general point and also indicative of where we currently are, why the world is the way it is, and what ancient dramas are playing out now, more DNA evidence is available:
Modern Mixed Populations in the Context of World Genetic Structure (SNP)
http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-09-01.pdf
Modern African-Americans are descended from a mixture of Sub-Saharan African (primarily West African; average 73.8%) and West Eurasian (primarily Northwest European; average 7.9%) populations that has taken place since the colonial period, with additional Native American (primarily Mesoamerican; average 2.9%) ancestral components. However, similar but more ancient mixture between African and West Eurasian populations (primarily via Eastern Africa, Northern Africa, and the Middle East) have also taken place prior to the modern period.
In this ancient genetic continuum between Africa and West Eurasia, sampled African-American individuals are most similar to sampled individuals from the Nilotic and Horn of Africa regions. This is because the recent mixture between West African and Northwest European populations that has taken place in North America since the colonial period is genetically similar to more ancient patterns of mixture near Eastern and Northern Africa.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/rahkyt/AAampEgypt_zps8878edd6.png
Figure 2: MDS plot of randomly sampled African-Americans and individuals from
African and West Eurasian regions. Native regions that are most similar to modern
African-Americans are circled in red.
My conclusions, based upon this evidence and knowing the long-ranging plans and machinations of the elite factions, as well as being able to intuit and energetically "read" current world events and situations based upon my own research and knowledge, are that the Illuminati forces are attempting to "hijack" destiny, to use Obama and his genetic potential in order to forestall their own reckoning. Given the state of the world today, White Supremacy as a global system of command and control is done. Over. Finito. That is as it should be, as these days, the world is rising against it in a tide that cannot be overcome by any but psychopathic, genocidal means.
If they cannot continue to control the planet under the guise of White Supremacy, they intend to destroy it. Make it uninhabitable by those who would continue to coexist here in a new way of being and interaction with the planet. In the context of Obama, his genetic structure does mirror those of ancient Egypt, while those of Black Americans in general do as well, being extraordinarily similar to that ancient peoples by way of West, Central and Southern Africans in the days of the Pharaonic Dynasties. DNATribes has other articles that support this. The key aspect of this, is that Obama also has ties to these same controller factions, as evidenced by the genealogical research that has been shown to tie him to the royal families of Europe, as he has been found to be related to Cheney and also Dubya going back some generations.
So they think that this insertion of their DNA into the line makes them able to control him. And, so far, they have been right, to a large extent. By so doing, they also seek to control the outcome of this ponderous rise of the "3rd World", and their efforts are geared toward preserving their power, continuing to consolidate their own economic and political hegemony through military means, thereby insulating themselves both physically and socially from the inevitable crash of the world system and the institution of newer, and more equitable ways of governance and living.
We are all quite aware of their fascination and understanding of genetics, their seemingly fanatical insistence upon keeping their bloodlines pure. And despite the common and biased belief that mixed blood leads to impurity, their deeper understanding of bloodlines and how their mixture can lead to the actual, physical incarnation of specific genetic families, shows the depth of their understanding of how these ancient passion plays can best be reenacted in the modern world.
We are also well aware of the origins of these bloodlines, and their ties to these ancient kingdoms of Mesopotamia and, also, Egypt. The revelation that these Dynasties and bloodlines were, indeed, of African origins is actually quite revolutionary and will cause some to squirm in discomfort at the very thought as well as the inevitable conclusion that these self-same issues that were so dominant so long ago have continued to be of importance to this very day.
That the controllers know this and have always known it places the continuing subjugation of Africans in general and Black Americans in particular in a new light. It reveals the baseline resonance of their fear and explains why so much time and effort has been spent in assaying the continuance of structural mechanisms designed to foment the absolute control of those who seem to be at the very bottom of the world hierarchy of racial lineage.
That Obama has been placed in the position he is in, is undeniable proof of their recognition of this.
blufire
17th November 2013, 19:13
from Bills post #125
I should clarify my stance, which is non-negotiable, rock solid, and crystal clear: that the NWO plans are evil, being implemented by evil people (and/or beings).
They do not have the best interests of humanity at heart. They are serving something else.
I profoundly disagree with your stance, and although I know you believe what you are saying, and I respect your courage in telling your truth, I feel that you are just as profoundly incorrect and I strongly suspect you have been misled by others who wish you to be a promoter of an evil agenda. And I write those words knowing exactly what they mean.
In my opinion, you are inadvertently doing the cause for human freedom a huge disservice. It is a significant personal frustration for me that you cannot seem to see this.
I do believe you are well-intentioned: but in your words and vectors you promote, you might as well not be.
Bill, I will have to say I am having extreme deja’ vue right now and am very upset.
I was an evangelist’s (preacher) wife for 16 long years and the church we belonged was very legalistic and dogmatic. I worked hard at being the best minister’s wife possible by following the legalistic expectations every step of the way. This particular version of Christianity is huge on bible study to the point of understanding the books of the ‘bible’ from the original Greek and Hebrew.
The more I studied the ‘bible’ and what I was expected to teach and espouse and how I was to live my life (from the church’s dogma) I became profoundly troubled, because what I understood after all those years of personal study and application in my personal life and what this church and my evangelist husband wanted me to believe and do, simply did not match up. I found that I could not in any way support what my husband was teaching from the pulpit and what the church as a whole believed and promoted.
I found myself in a huge quandary. At this point in my marriage I had 2 small children and although I am college educated I had worked outside the home very little. I was young and scared, but could not come to terms with the lies and misery that was foundationally being taught and not only in this church but in the Christian Religion as a whole.
I began testing the waters with questions based soundly from scripture during bible studies at the church. I began asking questions and putting forth what was deemed by the leadership as disruptive and unsubmissive..
My questions and understanding were exactly what is brought out right in this forum . . . the flat out misconception of what the bible is and how Christianity was formed and why it has been so promoted over the centuries. I found ‘like minds’ in the alternative world when it came to the truth of organized religion.
Even though my questions and point of view could not be disproved or refuted I was told to cease my questioning and speaking my point of view.
I was brought before the elders of the church several times and made to be prayed over and chastised and bullied.
I was told over and over I was wrong . . . that I had been deceived by the devil and that I needed to repent and ask forgiveness for my sinful unsubmissive feminist ways. I was told I could no longer speak in the church or ask any more questions or make comments that were not in line with their and the churchs ‘truth’ and that I was being destructive to the congregation.
Now I find myself in the exact same place with the alternative world and with this forum and with you.
I know what I am saying is in direct opposition with the alternative worlds beliefs as a whole and what I am saying is as uncomfortable to most as my questions and comments were to the church.
So what Bill would you have me do?
You are saying much as the elders and my preacher husband said . . . .that I have been deceived by someone or something with an evil agenda to cause me to have these contrary points of view and beliefs . . . that just like the church I am harmful and a disservice to the forum and the alternative world.
I am sitting here in total disbelief that I find myself in the exact same place.
So you tell me Bill and the other perceived leaders of this forum . . . . am I being disfellowshipped and/or shunned and/or told to keep my mouth shut.
Am I to believe that again I am being deceived and duped by the ‘evil ones’ . . . .
Where do I go now? What do I do now?
avid
17th November 2013, 19:23
Posted by blufire (here)
If ‘they’ truly wanted to simply eliminate millions or even billions of people worldwide then they would STOP advancing medicine that keeps people alive for longer than ever before and especially people in 3rd world countries that are ravaged by complicated ruthless diseases or how about global hunger? I know this is a huge sore topic for most on Avalon but if it weren’t for gmo grains billions in third world countries would be dead. Remember the massive starvation of the 60’s and 70’s? This has nearly been eliminated.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65473-Who-really-is-Barack-Obama-THIS-APPEARS-TO-BE-THE-TRUTH.&p=758780&viewfull=1#post758780
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65473-Who-really-is-Barack-Obama-THIS-APPEARS-TO-BE-THE-TRUTH.&p=758780&viewfull=1#post758780)
That's the propaganda... the reality is pure psychopathic behavior: harm, maim or kill under the guise of "Let me help you..." :
Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Case 22A-B-C-D Hot Sodas Courtesy of Those... ?
In 1937, a chemist in immunology studies, Walther Goebel, at Rockefeller University reports on the urine analysis of dogs fed benzoic acid;
“When benzoic acid is ingested by dogs, it is excreted in the urine
partly in the form of hippuric acid and partly as a benzoyl ester
of glucuronic acid. The detoxication of aromatic [=benzene related] organic acids by conjugation with glucuronic acid is one of the important physiological mechanisms of man and certain animals.” http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/122/3/649.pdf
Clearly, this Rockefeller scientist believes that benzoic acid is toxic and has to be detoxified by the animal.
In 1943, another scientist at Rockefeller University writes a report on p-amino benzoic acid (PABA), citing that in very low doses it prevents sulfa antibiotics from working. At the time, sulfa drugs were the only antibiotics other than penicillin which was not yet in use. The scientist states that it has been shown to prevent sulfa drugs from inhibiting the growth of a strain of Clostridia. Yes, this is the same PABA chemical that was put in sunscreens.
[...]
Clearly, the utility of doing that study during the war was to figure out how to prevent the treatment of gas gangrene due to war wounds.
“one molecule of p-aminobenzoic acid antagonized 23,000 molecules of sulfanilamide” www.jem.org/cgi/reprint/78/4/255.pdf
[...]
When I thought about the US troop’s sodas sitting in the sun, I wondered what the petrochemicals turned into in the heat. I figured that the writer of that CIA internal memo might know. The writer, on investigation, turned out to be a microbiologist at the US Army’s Chemical and Biological Warfare Labs at Fort Detrick Maryland. I called him up and told him that I would like to meet with him over a cup of coffee. He agreed and we set a time and place.
[...]
In response to my questions he admitted that the water being used in Iraq was to his knowledge not the problem. He said that he wrote the memo because benzoic acid was being added to the sodas and was the “petrochemical derivative” that was of concern. He said that it was a very useful chemical to fed populations in war zones because its heat caused metabolites which increased their risk of dying from wounds and dysentery. I asked him, if that is the case, then why was it being used in sodas given the troops. He looked at me that I was dense or naive. He said, “It is there to decrease VA hospital bills.” I said, “But that is absurd.” He said, “No, think about it. If a soldier is healthy, not much happens when he drinks the sodas. But if he gets seriously wounded then he is likely to get a wound infection. Then he will die from it and not be a long term burden on the VA with an amputated leg, say.”
[...]
... You can go into an area where people are dying from dysentery and give them sodas and look like a hero. You know what the standard treatment for dysentery is now? Sodas. People consider them “safe” to drink beverages because they are sterile. Orange based sodas have the potassium in them that is needed to help replace the electrolytes. All you change is whether you heat them first as to whether you supply them to harm or help. It was truly a brilliant idea. We are really changing how we do things at the Lab. The people in the hot climates are overpopulating the world--now we can combat that effortlessly. People with AIDS in Africa, India, etc. just need a little help over the edge. We are giving them that help.”
[...]
What that “Final Solution” researcher had told me was that in the heat the Benzoate/Benzoic Acid turned into not just benzene but PABA (para-amino benzoic acid). There is some amino acids in the beverages, at least in ones with plant extracts in them. He said furthermore, some of it turns into PABA inside the human body where there are lots of amino acids and moderate heat as well. He said that the bacteria just need trace amounts of it to grow like a rocket. I said, I did not see how bacteria could grow on a crude oil slick. He said, “They can’t. But many of them grow better than ever before, when small amounts of oil is added to a lake. He said, look at all those contaminated lakes up near Detroit; people just changed their car oil and let the oil seep into the ground, or just a few drops of oil from their outboard motors got into the water. Bingo, the water is full of nasty bacteria.” He continued, “That is why the water is not drinkable in the US anymore, because it takes so little pollution by oil to make the bacteria take it over. I played skeptical and asked him to send me a paper on it. He did. I read it in some detail.
The paper was about a small town in Africa during an epidemic of cholera. Some inhabitants were given the pre-heated sodas and some were not. The town’s people were not told that they were being studied for how well they could be killed off! Both putting the benzoate in the sodas and the study were unethical in my opinion. The town folk believed that the researcher and his staff were there to help them. The mortality was 40% higher in the group given the heat treated sodas. This was not a town with a particularly high AIDS rate. Less than 10% of the people were HIV positive. The study had tested people for HIV. Those who had AIDS and cholera had a high incidence of death, about 80%, if they drank the heat treated sodas. Their mortality if they came down with cholera was high anyway, about 50%. Those with just cholera and regular sodas had less than a 2% death rate.
From Sue Arrigo's case 22B.
Innocuous sunscreens and cosmetics to interact with laced vaccines and water from the "poisonned wells"... and there is the loaded gun held at the head of the female of the species of "useless eaters."
“Depopulation should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World….”. Henry Kissinger National Security Memorandum (NSSM 200) early 1970’s
This post resonated with me so much - thank you Amzer Zo - it vindicates years of suspicions and strikes a chord on humanity in these vile times
Mark
17th November 2013, 19:57
Well, the alternative narrative, context and scenario, which is corroborated by history, suggests that a group of off world interlopers descended upon this planet and altered the DNA of the indigenous species for their own nefarious reasons, and are now reaping the results of that manipulation and find it necessary to alter the genome again in order to maintain that agenda.
All of our institutions: government, religious, education, media, finance and corporate production is designed for the benefit of these few psychopathic interlopers at the behest of the 7 billion sentient empathic hybridized beings on planet earth. The current structure of control can be back engineered thousands of years and corroborated by history.
Where you and I disagree, is whether these beings are benevolent or malevolent in their intent. I am leaning towards a nefarious viewpoint based on all of the available evidence. My added subjectivity is not corroborated with alien childhood visitations, but what is available historically and what is available based on what these elite are doing.
What these elite are doing goes against nature and goes against the current genome. This is fact, not a subjective interpretation.
You always bring the noise, Grip, and I appreciate that. And also appreciate these statements, which I agree with in toto.
To delve into those extraterrestrial realms since it is "out there" in the thread, and to go beyond the mundane understanding of even genetics and sociological evolution, the star ancestry of the many world populations, having been manipulated so extensively in the distant past, has resulted in a potpourri of distinct ethnic populations, which we call racial, even though there is only one human race, and many ethnicities of varying colorations. Neanderthal, Denovian, the unknown Neanderthal "cousin" that existed only in Africa and whose DNA imprint is present only in those from certain sectors of West and Central Africa, as well as the other early humans that predate Homo Sapiens and Homo Sapiens Sapiens, attest to the fact that our differences are the result of a continuous and ongoing coalescence of the genetic lines of distinct precursors to modern humanity that may indeed have been brought from other spaces and places, but who have found themselves here in order to continue this "grand experiment" of a universal nature, resulting in a unique and extraordinary evolution of human nature that is quite probably not repeatable anywhere else in this galaxy.
It is ancient African wisdom that incarnations are continuous amongst soul groups. Meaning, that souls that enter bodies of a certain genetic line, continue to do so over many millennia. So souls who enter the genetic line and inhabit those bodies today of the European Elite, some might call them reptilian or demonic, continue to do so today as those bloodlines rarify due to their insistence upon racial purity. Now in the context of my last post, that Barack Obama has a certain DNA line that links him to ancient Egyptians, but also to more modern European royal lineages, is, for them, the perfect opportunity to co-opt the inevitable by creating the perfect "Manchurian Candidate" that spans genetic potentiality of a large segment of the world population and that allows them to control the destinies of the world through him as the figurehead/priest king.
They think in terms of energy. In terms of global populations and in terms of time, spanning, again, millennia. Because of that, Obama cannot be taken out of the longer context. Implicit in this understanding is the realization that they really believe that we have reached some sort of culminitive point in history, and that Obama is a lynchpin figure in the continuance of their domination of the world. I really can't imagine at this point who would come after him presidentially, or even if we will continue to have a system of this sort 2 years from now. This seems to be an apex of some sort, a time when all of these long-term plans are coming to a key point, where extraterrestrial, terrestrial and higher-D plans are focused and set upon shifting the balance of world power in one direction or another. Much of what will happen in the next decade or so is being affected by what seem to be petty political machinations currently occurring. The United States, as the crucible of elite power and the instrument of hegemonic dominance is the focus of these efforts, it seems to me, and what is happening Here and Now is key to determining how things will play out in the near and distant future.
To delve into one particular stream of events, others in this thread have mentioned their belief that Obama was war-mongering for Syrian intervention. I have stated elsewhere that I believe that was a ploy to appear hawkish, knowing how - in a true tip of his Machiavellian hat - the conservative factions would rise against it just because it was him putting it forth. The result was, no intervention in Syria, an olive branch awarded to Iran, and, now, the rising focus, again, on Bibi in Israel and a concentration, again, on an Iranian nuclear reactor. The distance that the Kingdom - Saudi Arabia - is creating between them and the Obama administration is also noteable, given their previous ties of walks in the park and hand-holding intimacy with Dubya, at least. The care with which these old Zionist forces are approaching the issue reveals their tentativeness in raising these issues with Obama at the helm, which seems to me to be indicative of them not being certain what side he is on. That they represent certain factions of elite control tied in with the European illuminatic forces that are most implicit in the genocidal and Nazi International paradigmatic ends should also be apparent to those who have done the research.
What does this mean? I do not know for certain, but, I think, the issue is not as "black and white" as many might have it be. Obama's DNA is indeed diverse, and that control they may think they have through genetic imprinting and programming may be creating a conflict within him that they cannot control, especially if he is as intelligent as he seems to be.
Here, I have to give a (edited) nod to the OP, by stating that making up stories, being drug-friendly and a smoker, being homosexual and whatever other personal habits he may have cultivated over a lifetime, are not indicators of Obama being a stupid and limited man, as some have posited in this thread. Quite the contrary. Actors are well-known for their intelligence and openness, their holistic viewpoint and expansive natures. It is also important to remember, that acting used to be relegated to religious rites - to the Ceremonies, Temples, and to the Churches in most cultures - until, probably, around the Medieval period in Europe and then the world with the spread of the Western paradigm through Imperialism, Colonization and now Globalism. When acting was secularized, Actors, correspondingly, were still lionized but simultaneously demonized, which has continued to this day, with interesting and profound sociological, energetic and spiritual ramifications.
I did watch both videos in the OP and respect the woman's testimony, which speaks to her own orientation as a Christian and perspective on human nature. What was most telling to me was her story of how Obama would bum a cig from people, telling tales, animated, jocular, engaging, and then, upon achieving his objective - having energetically dominated the person in question - he would immediately "drop the act" and move on to other interests, indicating the entire purpose of the play and his ability to control others through sheer force of will, intent and intellect. Don Juan, of Castaneda fame, might have called this behavior a form of "Controlled Folly", directed toward the achievement of a lower aim, i.e. smoking. But which was potentially only the reward for what was, for him, a more engaging and immediate aim: learning how to command and control others in his immediate environment through the force, and cult, of personality.
Many consider this way of being in the world to be a negative, but the ancient streams of Hermetic and mystical thought do not necessarily hold that same viewpoint, being also insistent upon non-judgement, individual personal exploration of all realms of human potentiality and deeper streams of karmic involvement and debt payment that are difficult to determine based upon a single incarnation. His youth in Asia and exposure to Buddhism might consolidate and support this interpretation of his interpersonal demeanor when he returned to Hawaii.
To return to my prior stream of thought and this entry, genetics are a limited means of control, as they can be overridden by will-power and intention, as also is well-known in the alternative community.
And, as you state Grip, a more expansive understanding of these issues is much, much more synthetically inclusive of other realms of reality. But this manner of processing information is also much more demanding and paradigmatically shattering than most are comfortable attempting. The resultant cognitive dissonance is infinitely out of alignment with normative patterns of control and command and therefore, collective belief systems.
avid
17th November 2013, 20:28
Whatever happens, Rahkyt, this poor chap is being used as a pawn in the great game. I feel sorry for him. He was meant to be here now - a mixture of black and white, gay and straight, Moslem and Christian, he probably suffers greatly by his 'handlers'. He is ageing beyond his years. Whatever 'their' game is - I hope he is released from it soonest - to actually have a life. This is truly horrific - to actually realise what is going on now, and to see the 'playing' of an individual to their detriment daily. Does he just say what he is supposed to say - is he allowed to have thoughts of his own any more? I doubt it. He is a figurehead - and most definitely a puppet. Horrendous.
SilentFeathers
17th November 2013, 20:49
Whatever happens, Rahkyt, this poor chap is being used as a pawn in the great game. I feel sorry for him. He was meant to be here now - a mixture of black and white, gay and straight, Moslem and Christian, he probably suffers greatly by his 'handlers'. He is ageing beyond his years. Whatever 'their' game is - I hope he is released from it soonest - to actually have a life. This is truly horrific - to actually realise what is going on now, and to see the 'playing' of an individual to their detriment daily. Does he just say what he is supposed to say - is he allowed to have thoughts of his own any more? I doubt it. He is a figurehead - and most definitely a puppet. Horrendous.
Who's really to say he is not mostly aware of what he is doing and or involved in? I personally don't believe he is a brainwashed robot and doesn't know what he is doing. He's probably happy to finally be playing the part that he was told he would be playing someday many years ago.
It does seem lately that perhaps he misplaced his instruction book and his playing it by ear to some extent....perhaps they're about to throw him under the bus, that what he was meant to do he did and he actually didn't misplace his instruction book but actually there are no more pages in it!
Redstar Kachina
17th November 2013, 21:03
..........
mountain_jim
17th November 2013, 21:13
Israel's leadership should have been thrown after 9/11, at the latest. The Dancing Israelis 'we were documenting the event' was all the evidence needed that the Mossad was involved, or had foreknowledge and allowed it to go down.
It's way past time that the US did anything for that government, other than disarm them of their nukes.
In fact, slowing down this latest war desired by Israel's leadership is the only good thing Obama has done this term. That's assuming he had anything to do with any of it, other than reading his teleprompter.
SilentFeathers
17th November 2013, 21:21
Things are not always as they appear to be....
I don't think the US has any intention of throwing Israel under the bus, nor do I think the Saudi's are throwing the US under the bus or the US is bending over for Iran.....all is going to plan IMO...
Added: I do believe though that neither Obama nor Biden are the "visible" players they want in the Whitehouse when all hell breaks out in the Middle east...
Mark
17th November 2013, 21:26
It is difficult to judge great destinies in the time they are being lived, Avid. So many examples across time. The impact individuals - even under the force of compulsion from other interests - have upon our collective fate and destiny. How Obama is seen by many people is not necessarily indicative of what is truly occurring and you may have a point, as Presidents do seem to age beyond their years while in the White House and under the strain of these higher dimensional impulses that must be immensely draining to the life-force.
I agree with you also, Silentfeathers, as usual. That very idea must be giving his nominal controllers coniption fits, and probably is causing them to lean toward pushing the "self-destruct" button, which may indeed be why all of this information in regards to Obama's questionable bonafides moves with ever-increasing rapidity toward mainstream public consumption.
But, I believe they also are increasingly realizing, to their dismay, that pushing that button may set off events that they have no way of controlling in any way, shape, form or fashion except the most draconian of their alternative plans. Awakening the emotional and material potential of Africa and African-descended peoples, to list only one of many possibilities, remains a strategy of very last resort, especially if they can regain control through other means. But I also think that their desperation is peaking, which may mean that it is once again on the table, if reports of recent assassination attempts foiled are credible.
SilentFeathers
17th November 2013, 21:36
But, I believe they also are increasingly realizing, to their dismay, that pushing that button may set off events that they have no way of controlling in any way, shape, form or fashion except the most draconian of their alternative plans. Awakening the emotional and material potential of Africa and African-descended peoples, to list only one of many possibilities, remains a strategy of very last resort, especially if they can regain control through other means. But I also think that their desperation is peaking, which may mean that it is once again on the table, if reports of recent assassination attempts foiled are credible.
I would almost have to lean towards a major scandal or some other type of event to which Obama on his own free will would step down, or perhaps not of his own free will....but either way in a process in which the masses somewhat will agree too without going totally berserk.
I just can't see Obama in the drivers seat so to speak if a catastrophic move by the elite is to take place, What if parts of the grid went down and his teleprompter didn't work?! lol!
Therefore, if Obama is to somehow finish his 2nd term as president, I do not see a major catastrophic move to take place in the Middle East until 2017 or so.
But of course I may be wrong, Obama may be the perfect choice for them in a chaos situation....(Biden too)
Ron Mauer Sr
17th November 2013, 21:42
Who do you think he's a clone of? Akehnaten? freeman thinks so, I wonder myself sometimes :)
Also, do you think that this new religion could possibly be a political religion? perhaps a forced ideology to worship the NWO system itself as God?
Just curious about your thoughts in these directions.
The similarities between Akehnaten and Obama are interesting, yet a bit of a distraction. What matters to me are the things that can be done to increase freedom, well being and joy for all. Of course part of that is an increased understanding of the current and previous dramas being played out. Thus my little bit of interest in their similarities. Answering your question SilentFeathers, I really don't know.
The control freak's version of a new religion will most likely be based on efficiency: maximum control with a minimum of expended resources. I suspect some shape shifting ETs will appear as saviors and creator gods, use whatever is useful from various religious texts, and "help" survivors put those pieces together in a :bs: story that will be acceptable to most.
I do not expect them to succeed.
Mark
17th November 2013, 21:47
An Obama, out of the White House, yet still alive, must be their most terrible nightmare. I cannot see that potentiality coming to fruition. If he is not President, they must kill him. I do not believe Obama is a stupid man and give little credence to the insistence that he is lost without his prompter. I think, rather, that the script the prompters reinforce conflicts so much with what he really wants to say, that he is left fumbling and stumbling whenever there is a malfunction. I also believe that was also most apparent back when he was unsure of himself. He may still be, but I think he has come to some sort of epiphany and is moving, deliberately, toward that end, whatever it is. And, whatever scandal they may have in place to effect his removal from office, cannot be something that is not already in play and that we, here, are already aware of. Otherwise, why the extensive setup? These tales, floating around for so long now, firmly set in the alternative community and existing just outside of the purview of the mainstream?
Oouthere
17th November 2013, 21:56
To kill our white house occupant would be the worst mistake possible. This would probably result in civil war of Obama worshipers vs the rest of the country. I'd imagine the majority would be black so the U.N. would step-in claiming civil right violations and the whole country would be lost.
SilentFeathers
17th November 2013, 21:58
An Obama, out of the White House, yet still alive, must be their most terrible nightmare. I cannot see that potentiality coming to fruition. If he is not President, they must kill him. I do not believe Obama is a stupid man and give little credence to the insistence that he is lost without his prompter. I think, rather, that the script the prompters reinforce conflicts so much with what he really wants to say, that he is left fumbling and stumbling whenever there is a malfunction. I also believe that was also most apparent back when he was unsure of himself. He may still be, but I think he has come to some sort of epiphany and is moving, deliberately, toward that end, whatever it is. And, whatever scandal they may have in place to effect his removal from office, cannot be something that is not already in play and that we, here, are already aware of. Otherwise, why the extensive setup? These tales, floating around for so long now, firmly set in the alternative community and existing just outside of the purview of the mainstream?
I was afraid to say what you just wrote :)
I don't think he's stupid at all, that's why I sense he may be a broken arrow risk so to speak to his controllers or handlers.
I do believe he needs a script/teleprompter to follow though, that seems to be how he's most effective.
Ron Mauer Sr
17th November 2013, 22:01
To kill our white house occupant would be the worst mistake possible. This would probably result in civil war of Obama worshipers vs the rest of the country. I'd imagine the majority would be black so the U.N. would step-in claiming civil right violations and the whole country would be lost.
That would cause depopulation, wouldn't it?
Mark
17th November 2013, 22:04
LOL it's ok, SF. I'm the black guy that speaks out on the forum. I have experienced and expect many here to relegate my thoughts and opinions to that level of dismissal here on the forum, as it has happened before and will probably happen again. It is generally why I stay out of discussions with racial implications or, the continuous excoriation of Obama in all forms of media, alternative and mainstream. That my perspective is different from many here and that it corresponds to information on the structure of our world, our societies and our current psychological issues as ethnic collectives interacting within the same intellectual tradition imbues me automatically with the distinction "Other", and so I can and do say things that other people cannot.
Which also gives rise to the automatic immune system response of collectives, as those charged with defense of the "group-mind" must rise up in contention with my statements. Which is, also, often why I leave these discussions unfinished, as I do not honor those energies with my continued participation.
But this particular topic, I thought I'd sound in on. I had some time today. :)
To kill our white house occupant would be the worst mistake possible. This would probably result in civil war of Obama worshipers vs the rest of the country. I'd imagine the majority would be black so the U.N. would step-in claiming civil right violations and the whole country would be lost.
That would cause depopulation, wouldn't it?
Not necessarily, in my opinion, Ron. Before that possibility could come to fruition, many others would have to be firmly entrenched and in place, and I believe that the controller factions are now desperate, that so many of their recent plans have fallen through the floorboards that they are unsure of the infallibility of their overall strategy.
They recognize that oppositional energies are gaining force in the past year and that their victory is not assured. The previously assured stance they projected leading up to last year has been shattered by recent events and so the prospect of actually going through with it, assassinating Obama, releases so much energy, can result in so many unpredictable factors coming into play, it seems to me that they are not certain at all it would end the way they want it to.
And that is good news for the world. The "immune response" of Gaia herself - and higher D forces - in action.
SilentFeathers
17th November 2013, 22:11
LOL it's ok, SF. I'm the black guy that speaks out on the forum. I have experienced and expect many here to relegate my thoughts and opinions to that level of dismissal here on the forum, as it has happened before and will probably happen again. It is generally why I stay out of discussions with racial implications or, the continuous excoriation of Obama in all forms of media, alternative and mainstream. That my perspective is different from many here and that it corresponds to information on the structure of our world, our societies and our current psychological issues as ethnic collectives interacting within the same intellectual tradition imbues me automatically with the distinction "Other", and so I can and do say things that other people cannot.
Which also gives rise to the automatic immune system response of collectives, as those charged with defense of the "group-mind" must rise up in contention with my statements. Which is, also, often why I leave these discussions unfinished, as I do not honor those energies with my continued participation.
But this particular topic, I thought I'd sound in on. I had some time today. :)
I wasn't referring to anything racial, I was a bit skiddish to say president and kill in the same sentence on a forum :)
Mark
17th November 2013, 22:16
I wasn't referring to anything racial, I was a bit skiddish to say president and kill in the same sentence on a forum :)
They know who I am. Have since birth. It is all connected, my friend. And I agree with many, although I haven't seen discussion on this topic recently, that PA is sort of a test-bed of informatics, that it is indeed observed, as the discussion here is generally elevated and indicative of the forefront of alternative community postulating and theorizing. The context of the discussion and the expanded nature of our ruminations gives it a certain air of formulative expression, so if they come knocking at my door I'll welcome the three hots and a cot. The Prison Industrial System and Solitary Confinement would do my meditation practice good, at any rate. :)
T Smith
17th November 2013, 22:18
So you tell me Bill and the other perceived leaders of this forum . . . . am I being disfellowshipped and/or shunned and/or told to keep my mouth shut.
Am I to believe that again I am being deceived and duped by the ‘evil ones’ . . . .
Where do I go now? What do I do now?
I for one am very happy to hear your point of view. I disagree with many of your posts, but I am also quite interested in how you have come to your convictions. This forum is not an echo chamber, as far as I understand it.
SilentFeathers
17th November 2013, 22:28
I wasn't referring to anything racial, I was a bit skiddish to say president and kill in the same sentence on a forum :)
They know who I am. Have since birth. It is all connected, my friend. And I agree with many, although I haven't seen discussion on this topic recently, that PA is sort of a test-bed of informatics, that it is indeed observed, as the discussion here is generally elevated and indicative of the forefront of alternative community postulating and theorizing. The context of the discussion and the expanded nature of our ruminations gives it a certain air of formulative expression, so if they come knocking at my door I'll welcome the three hots and a cot. The Prison Industrial System and Solitary Confinement would do my meditation practice good, at any rate. :)
I enjoy your posts and unique and twisted way of thinking! LOL!
Back to Obama; I have always wondered if they would actually sacrifice him.
Back to racial: Blaming it on a white gun loving skin head racists who flys a rebel flag on his trailer....talk about rushing in chaos and martial law etc etc etc.
Let's hope they are not that insane (but we know they are).
It does seem though that something is about to go down.....even Billy Clinton is seemingly distancing himself a bit from him. Could be part of the game but it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't now a days.
Billy
17th November 2013, 22:56
I also feel for Obama with his wife and kids. There would have been an oath made by choice. Agreements can be very dangerous. No matter who Obama is, He had choices.
Israel is the key for peace, If only Israel could realize their potential for change simply by their choosing. Not allowing any controllers to throw them under anything yet again, It is not the people of Iran or Israel, Iraq, Syria or Gaza that promotes the wars.
If the people off Israel could open their eyes as to who controls them, then say enough is enough, Not in my name, Change the Government, demand a solution for peace, With everyone's help, They could change the world for the betterment of all.
Peace
Mark
17th November 2013, 23:02
I enjoy your posts and unique and twisted way of thinking! LOL!
Twisted, yes, LOL. Perhaps I'm not your average huckleberry, for better or for worse. I'm glad you find my meanderings entertaining. :)
Blaming it on a white gun loving skin head racists who flys a rebel flag on his trailer....talk about rushing in chaos and martial law etc etc etc.
Let's hope they are not that insane (but we know they are).
They are. For some reason, when you wrote that, this scene came to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSQAZEp3PA
It does seem though that something is about to go down.....even Billy Clinton is seemingly distancing himself a bit from him. Could be part of the game but it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't now a days.
It always seems that way doesn't it? As if there are higher and higher levels of expectation and escalation. It often seems as if disappointment arrives when certain expected events do not happen in the way we envision them, but the very act of energetic leveling up creates conditions around us for higher potentialities to express themselves. So each "disappointment" seems to lead to an even greater and more ominous collection of negative externalities with even more dire consequences. Things seem to continue to get worse and worse. What is often forgotten is that during those plateaus when the energy peaks and expectation hovers, awaiting manifestation, the overall energy of the collective consciousness does not descend back into its previous level of awareness, it remains stable at that point, until the next directed impression makes its mark and causes the energies to raise once again.
The stakes are high and getting higher by the day.
AutumnW
18th November 2013, 00:04
Just one quick comment with regards Obama being a 'Commie' which leverages off the red scare of McCarthyism, some 60 years ago, or so. Communist governments seize private industries. The last 40 years have seen corporations seize control of govt. It's not a mere technicality it is an essential difference. Just because the average Joe, who has been thrown out of a job due to outsourcing, is thrown a bone of extended benefits, does not mean you have Communist collectivism.
Who do food stamps benefit? Wall Mart. Do the profits from Mall Wart go directly into govt coffers? Nope. Who benefits from the the crazy quilt of incompetency and added expense of Obama care...wait for it...private insurers. That's right. Do the profits from the highest insurance prices in the world end up back in govt coffers? Nope. The private insurers keep them. If Obama is a Communist why is Wall street doing so well?
Be very careful about terminology. It's important. Obama is a Communist like Daddy Warbucks in Little Orphan Annie. He's a Communist like Mussolini. He's a Communist like Rett Butler.
AutumnW
18th November 2013, 00:23
maybe this all comes down to bringing the country back together after the deepest division since the civil war...
in a few weeks, suddenly painting the one half the country loves as the villain, it would in a moment break down the walls to bring us back together, was this all just an experiment on manipulation of the public to prepare for the next round that might work?
Rocky, Could you elaborate a bit more on this theme? I am interested in the whole notion of bringing the country together, because it has been used as a meme to allow major compromises in D.C. where reaching across the aisle, generally means any good that is/was there acquiesces to self interested corporate orcs.
what is amazing is how fast we are moving away from WW III, Putin is flexing his muscles and the Jewish lobby seems to have no power in decisions of congress...
the tea party confusion thrown into the republican party seems to be a huge part of the plan.
once WW III is off the table, I can see Obama ready to head to the islands to retire, health care reform has begun, next controlling health care cost will become important...
it was hard fought, but those angry, I really feel are the evil controlling this world we all want to toss out...
the attempted assassination of Obama if it would have succeeded, would have reignited the hatred to the point of mass riots...
once again the shadow government has failed, the renegade puppet is destroying their plans...
Go Ninja's!!!
Thank you for that very well thought out analysis.
Israel, does seem to be losing traction in the area. There is big big money within the elite structure that didn't want a Syria strike; the Koch brothers, being among their small numbers. Thus, Obama and the slimy John Kerry, decided to cut bait and go for a different geo-strategic policy, particularly after Britain and some serious .0001 per centers put up opposition.
I note that Saudi Arabia has just ordered 90+ billion dollars worth of Boeing 777's. What do you make of this? Are they trying to ingratiate themselves to the U.S. again?
They could have ordered European planes, had they wanted to 'punish' the U.S. for not striking Syria. (and then moving on to Iran, their mortal enemy). I guess the Saudis are feeling as vulnerable as Israel right now. Perhaps Russia, breathing down their necks from the Syrian deep water port, has them looking to retain the world's 800 lb gorilla, in the Anglo-American protection racket. Such a chess game!
I would not give Obama any moral credit for what is taking shape right now, even if it is positive development. I recall a reporter shouting the question,"Are you going to explain yourself to the world, at this summit?" To which he replied, "The world has to explain itself to me!!" This is unbelievable bald faced hubris. After hearing that I could believe anything about this creep.
Redstar Kachina
18th November 2013, 01:25
..........
Cognitive Dissident
18th November 2013, 03:27
Whatever happens, Rahkyt, this poor chap is being used as a pawn in the great game. I feel sorry for him. He was meant to be here now - a mixture of black and white, gay and straight, Moslem and Christian, he probably suffers greatly by his 'handlers'. He is ageing beyond his years. Whatever 'their' game is - I hope he is released from it soonest - to actually have a life. This is truly horrific - to actually realise what is going on now, and to see the 'playing' of an individual to their detriment daily. Does he just say what he is supposed to say - is he allowed to have thoughts of his own any more? I doubt it. He is a figurehead - and most definitely a puppet. Horrendous.
A bit late, but I just saw this:
http://merovee.wordpress.com/2013/11/15/the-gay-president/
Amazing photos, especially the one of him and Rahm, such affection. Of course, nothing wrong with him being gay, but having to be in the closet like that, wow, that would lead to great suffering, as you say.
EYES WIDE OPEN
18th November 2013, 09:24
from Bills post #125
I should clarify my stance, which is non-negotiable, rock solid, and crystal clear: that the NWO plans are evil, being implemented by evil people (and/or beings).
They do not have the best interests of humanity at heart. They are serving something else.
I profoundly disagree with your stance, and although I know you believe what you are saying, and I respect your courage in telling your truth, I feel that you are just as profoundly incorrect and I strongly suspect you have been misled by others who wish you to be a promoter of an evil agenda. And I write those words knowing exactly what they mean.
In my opinion, you are inadvertently doing the cause for human freedom a huge disservice. It is a significant personal frustration for me that you cannot seem to see this.
I do believe you are well-intentioned: but in your words and vectors you promote, you might as well not be.
Bill, I will have to say I am having extreme deja’ vue right now and am very upset.
I was an evangelist’s (preacher) wife for 16 long years and the church we belonged was very legalistic and dogmatic. I worked hard at being the best minister’s wife possible by following the legalistic expectations every step of the way. This particular version of Christianity is huge on bible study to the point of understanding the books of the ‘bible’ from the original Greek and Hebrew.
The more I studied the ‘bible’ and what I was expected to teach and espouse and how I was to live my life (from the church’s dogma) I became profoundly troubled, because what I understood after all those years of personal study and application in my personal life and what this church and my evangelist husband wanted me to believe and do, simply did not match up. I found that I could not in any way support what my husband was teaching from the pulpit and what the church as a whole believed and promoted.
I found myself in a huge quandary. At this point in my marriage I had 2 small children and although I am college educated I had worked outside the home very little. I was young and scared, but could not come to terms with the lies and misery that was foundationally being taught and not only in this church but in the Christian Religion as a whole.
I began testing the waters with questions based soundly from scripture during bible studies at the church. I began asking questions and putting forth what was deemed by the leadership as disruptive and unsubmissive..
My questions and understanding were exactly what is brought out right in this forum . . . the flat out misconception of what the bible is and how Christianity was formed and why it has been so promoted over the centuries. I found ‘like minds’ in the alternative world when it came to the truth of organized religion.
Even though my questions and point of view could not be disproved or refuted I was told to cease my questioning and speaking my point of view.
I was brought before the elders of the church several times and made to be prayed over and chastised and bullied.
I was told over and over I was wrong . . . that I had been deceived by the devil and that I needed to repent and ask forgiveness for my sinful unsubmissive feminist ways. I was told I could no longer speak in the church or ask any more questions or make comments that were not in line with their and the churchs ‘truth’ and that I was being destructive to the congregation.
Now I find myself in the exact same place with the alternative world and with this forum and with you.
I know what I am saying is in direct opposition with the alternative worlds beliefs as a whole and what I am saying is as uncomfortable to most as my questions and comments were to the church.
So what Bill would you have me do?
You are saying much as the elders and my preacher husband said . . . .that I have been deceived by someone or something with an evil agenda to cause me to have these contrary points of view and beliefs . . . that just like the church I am harmful and a disservice to the forum and the alternative world.
I am sitting here in total disbelief that I find myself in the exact same place.
So you tell me Bill and the other perceived leaders of this forum . . . . am I being disfellowshipped and/or shunned and/or told to keep my mouth shut.
Am I to believe that again I am being deceived and duped by the ‘evil ones’ . . . .
Where do I go now? What do I do now?
I disagree with most of your views but I cannot come to same same conclusion as others.
I don't KNOW if you were deceived. That would just be an opinion which I could not prove. Besides which, I don't hold that opinion anyway.
I think your outlook on these things is your own. NOT some deception forced upon you by so called "evil people".
Yes, people should continue the dialogue with you if they strongly disagree with your point of view but without sarcasm or hidden suggestions couched in certain language (not in this thread but has happened in other threads) and likewise you should be able to express your views without fear of reprisal.
Clearly, you have been through this type of thing before as your post above points out but your opinions are not being repressed here.
To be clear, I do not see your views being suppressed here on Avalon. I have not seen anyone say "shut your mouth"
However, sometimes people have to agree to disagree.
mosquito
18th November 2013, 10:18
Just been reading this thread and I have to say that RMorgan, I always find your posts to be some of the best and most informed post on Avalon. They are also consistently level-headed and correct. :)
Here here !!
It saddens me that Americans, and they're not alone, cannot see through their deep-level brainwashing. Time and again we see threads complaining, rightly, about the Federal Reserve. The reason you have a private corporation in control of your nation's money supply is because the USA is ...... capitalist. If Obama was a communist or even a socialist, one of his first actions wold have been to nationalize the Fed. Isn't that what you want ??
Anyway, I'm not entirely convinced by the OP. So he was taught by an actor - so what ? As for the highlighted statement that the man in question predicted in 1988 that Obama would be president - is retrospective prediction now something which we are expected to take as a legitimate indicator of a "whistleblower's" credibility ? If so, please let me know, I sniff a money making opportunity.
RMorgan
18th November 2013, 10:57
Just been reading this thread and I have to say that RMorgan, I always find your posts to be some of the best and most informed post on Avalon. They are also consistently level-headed and correct. :)
Here here !!
It saddens me that Americans, and they're not alone, cannot see through their deep-level brainwashing. Time and again we see threads complaining, rightly, about the Federal Reserve. The reason you have a private corporation in control of your nation's money supply is because the USA is ...... capitalist. If Obama was a communist or even a socialist, one of his first actions wold have been to nationalize the Fed. Isn't that what you want ??
Yes, this is just a distant reflection of the red fear propaganda used to brainwash people during the years of the cold war.
Generally, because of this conditioned notion of socialism, Americans don't really know what it is; Everyone they dislike or consider to be an enemy is automatically labeled as "communist".
People like Alex Jones, as example, had called Obama a Communist-Nazi numerous times, which is essentially laughable, since Nazism and Communism are completely opposed ideologies...I respect Alex Jones, but he clearly appeals to fear porn very often. This is a perfect example, after all. What enemy could be worse than a mix of Stalin and Hitler, all in the same person, like a Communist-Nazi president?
Anyway, I'm not defending Obama at all. I know he's just a puppet but I also know that very probably all of America's next presidents will be puppets as well...Most likely, if you could impeach him right now, it wouldn't make any difference.
I'm not defending Socialism as well, as I've stated before, by the way.
Anyway, I don't agree about using low tactics to attack anyone. Even a President is also an individual and has the right to privacy. If he's gay or likes to snort some coke once in a while is completely irrelevant.
Of course, feel free to judge him for his work as President. If he's not doing a good job, and he isn't, people have the right to criticize him, but exclusively for his failures as a President.
Don't do to others what you don't want done to you, right? No one here is a saint. We've all done stupid things in the past and we all have secrets. A lot of us had our share of illicit drugs in the past, and probably none of us was married a virgin.
You know, in a truly free world people would have the right to experiment with their sexuality, drugs and whatever they want, as long as they don't hurt anybody, without having to worry about other people judging them.
If people worried about things that really matter, not about hypocritical political correctness, the world would a much better place to live by now.
Who knows...Maybe, when presidential candidates wouldn't have to worry about pretending to a perfect model of an impeccable citizen, nor to have a perfect problems-free family, people will make their vote choices based on ideas, not on appearances. We could all make a much better use of our limited time if we didn't have to spend 90% of it pretending to be something we aren't.
chocolate
18th November 2013, 12:30
Heated thread. I don't know how it started with Obama being actor/gay/clone/puppet/descent from an Egyptian god/Marxist/etc. and ended up with blufire in the corner.
I think this is a result of suppressed emotions coming into the light of the day for everyone involved.
I still am trying to figure out if Bill found the answer to his question. I think he had a specific and important reason for starting the thread.
For me Amzer Zo, Rahkyt and a few other members brought up some interesting information that was new and helpful for shaping my further understanding on this subject.
--->I was reading a current article on JFK's assassination (http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/11/17/230147who-killed-kennedy-cia-lbj-or-the-truly-unspeakable/ ) and it reminded me of this thread. ---<
So if we decide to disregard the obvious [the smoke screen(s)], where do we stand right now?
just asking?
peace!
Flash
18th November 2013, 12:40
I started to disregard the thread, when I started to see stuff unrelated to any truth, such as Obama holding hand with Biden at Church and therefore being gay. First, we did not see the guys faces on the picture, second, how often people hold hands in prayer at Church, very often, and the are not gay for that. Third, this presumption is insulting to other cultures who old hands irrescpective of sexes for friendship. The other picture of a hug is the same, since when a hug is equated with gay???? The whole population would be gay here!!
Such unresearched and irresponsible comments kill threads. I Wonder if its author is aware of this??? And if it were a joke or a sacarsm, it had to be mentioned please.
Bill Ryan
18th November 2013, 13:16
from Bills post #125
I should clarify my stance, which is non-negotiable, rock solid, and crystal clear: that the NWO plans are evil, being implemented by evil people (and/or beings).
They do not have the best interests of humanity at heart. They are serving something else.
I profoundly disagree with your stance, and although I know you believe what you are saying, and I respect your courage in telling your truth, I feel that you are just as profoundly incorrect and I strongly suspect you have been misled by others who wish you to be a promoter of an evil agenda. And I write those words knowing exactly what they mean.
In my opinion, you are inadvertently doing the cause for human freedom a huge disservice. It is a significant personal frustration for me that you cannot seem to see this.
I do believe you are well-intentioned: but in your words and vectors you promote, you might as well not be.
Bill, I will have to say I am having extreme deja’ vue right now and am very upset.
I was an evangelist’s (preacher) wife for 16 long years and the church we belonged was very legalistic and dogmatic. I worked hard at being the best minister’s wife possible by following the legalistic expectations every step of the way. This particular version of Christianity is huge on bible study to the point of understanding the books of the ‘bible’ from the original Greek and Hebrew.
The more I studied the ‘bible’ and what I was expected to teach and espouse and how I was to live my life (from the church’s dogma) I became profoundly troubled, because what I understood after all those years of personal study and application in my personal life and what this church and my evangelist husband wanted me to believe and do, simply did not match up. I found that I could not in any way support what my husband was teaching from the pulpit and what the church as a whole believed and promoted.
I found myself in a huge quandary. At this point in my marriage I had 2 small children and although I am college educated I had worked outside the home very little. I was young and scared, but could not come to terms with the lies and misery that was foundationally being taught and not only in this church but in the Christian Religion as a whole.
I began testing the waters with questions based soundly from scripture during bible studies at the church. I began asking questions and putting forth what was deemed by the leadership as disruptive and unsubmissive..
My questions and understanding were exactly what is brought out right in this forum . . . the flat out misconception of what the bible is and how Christianity was formed and why it has been so promoted over the centuries. I found ‘like minds’ in the alternative world when it came to the truth of organized religion.
Even though my questions and point of view could not be disproved or refuted I was told to cease my questioning and speaking my point of view.
I was brought before the elders of the church several times and made to be prayed over and chastised and bullied.
I was told over and over I was wrong . . . that I had been deceived by the devil and that I needed to repent and ask forgiveness for my sinful unsubmissive feminist ways. I was told I could no longer speak in the church or ask any more questions or make comments that were not in line with their and the churchs ‘truth’ and that I was being destructive to the congregation.
Now I find myself in the exact same place with the alternative world and with this forum and with you.
I know what I am saying is in direct opposition with the alternative worlds beliefs as a whole and what I am saying is as uncomfortable to most as my questions and comments were to the church.
So what Bill would you have me do?
You are saying much as the elders and my preacher husband said . . . .that I have been deceived by someone or something with an evil agenda to cause me to have these contrary points of view and beliefs . . . that just like the church I am harmful and a disservice to the forum and the alternative world.
I am sitting here in total disbelief that I find myself in the exact same place.
So you tell me Bill and the other perceived leaders of this forum . . . . am I being disfellowshipped and/or shunned and/or told to keep my mouth shut.
Am I to believe that again I am being deceived and duped by the ‘evil ones’ . . . .
Where do I go now? What do I do now?
Dear blufire:
Your commendable openness about your prior experience is very revealing. It looks as plain as a pikestaff that history is repeating itself for you ... personally. This has nothing to do with the forum, though, or the matters discussed. It is some kind of a personal pattern which all therapists and counselors will be familiar with. This kind of thing happens quite often with many people.
Here's the lowdown:
1. This is no Church.
2. I am not your ex-husband.
and, importantly
3. Just because you were not wrong the first time, does NOT mean you are not wrong now.
<-- I'm not minimalizing how you feel. But when it comes to the analysis of facts and the conducting of rational debate, there's no connection here apart from your strong subjective feelings of being once again unfairly marginalized, persecuted, and misunderstood.
In the presentation you make of your views on GMOs and much else, you could be wrong, you know.
You asked:
Am I to believe that again I am being deceived and duped by the ‘evil ones’ . . . . My answer is: in my strong opinion, yes, absolutely.
risveglio
18th November 2013, 15:10
Just been reading this thread and I have to say that RMorgan, I always find your posts to be some of the best and most informed post on Avalon. They are also consistently level-headed and correct. :)
Here here !!
It saddens me that Americans, and they're not alone, cannot see through their deep-level brainwashing. Time and again we see threads complaining, rightly, about the Federal Reserve. The reason you have a private corporation in control of your nation's money supply is because the USA is ...... capitalist. If Obama was a communist or even a socialist, one of his first actions wold have been to nationalize the Fed. Isn't that what you want ??
Anyway, I'm not entirely convinced by the OP. So he was taught by an actor - so what ? As for the highlighted statement that the man in question predicted in 1988 that Obama would be president - is retrospective prediction now something which we are expected to take as a legitimate indicator of a "whistleblower's" credibility ? If so, please let me know, I sniff a money making opportunity.
I am sorry but we do not have Capitalism, maybe we need to change the name but the fact is the US has not had anything remotely resembling real Capitalism in generations. Our so called private corporations that you love to talk about are mostly public companies owned by stock holders and are mostly creations of the state. I think Corporatism works as a description of what we have become but I also say Fascism because the only difference in my mind so far is we are not admitting to the people we want perpetual war.
A free market voluntary system if we ever get one will lead to peace and prosperity across the globe. This socialist dream you have will just lead to the enslavement of people. I may not have the same understanding of Socialism as all you highly evolved and educated individuals but you two have no idea what is Capitalism, but that is ok because it is the misconception of Capitalism that the PTB want, they want to move us away from being free, independent people to just being pawns in their game.
This book is free online and is where I get my understanding of the dangers of Socialism though my real disagreement with Socialism is that it is the opposite of freedom. Maybe I am too quick to call someone a socialist but that is probably because like Von Mises, I think just about everyone is a socialist.
http://mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx
It's free, read it and tell me why you what you were taught is better. BTW, none of this is taught to us in schools here. Socialism is taught as some great wonderful thing with unicorns and fairies keeping us all happy and peacefull in our school system.
chocolate
18th November 2013, 15:17
I am still trying to see how Obama puzzle piece fits in the overall picture. I KNOW it is important to see the answer to that.
But,
I guess I have to write what I think based on what I have read so far.
Learning that [presumably] Obama has been prepared for this position years before the moment in time he was elected draws for me the following conclusion: matters have been staged by entities, or people for ease of expression, to serve a cause or a trend or a stream of events. Why I go in this direction ---> I come from a so called communist/socialist country closely related to the ex USSR. My father used to read a lot of books, but since at the time what was available was either science fiction or books that would present the west in very strong colors, I grew up reading books about spies, Russian and from the "bad" west. I also encountered a lot written by Victor Suvorov, which was truly revealing the complexity of the situation. That is how I discovered also that this world seems to operate under the cover of something and someone(s). Naturally for me the idea that Obama has been groomed from his birth for this stage fits in MY OWN vision of the world right now.
Having keen interest in mythology and all sorts of stories about gods, Egyptian as well, leads me to think that that connection is also quite possible. And knowing a bit about secret projects run by governments with or without ET help, pushes me in a direction of some sort of staged birth and the rest in that line.
So, briefly, for me he is staged to be where he is to correspond to something the ruling side sees as beneficial for them. And seeing how well they have taken care of the Earth and all humans, I draw the conclusion that whatever they are after is not something I will want to see happen.
That above was a very simplistic explanation based on my [seemingly] simple view on life.
I don't pay attention to sexual orientations, political orientation (communist/socialist/fascist/ capitalist, they all are the same to me based on their fruits) or the way someone is portrayed in the open. BUT! what is happening in that area could be a clue!
What I would like to understand for my own purpose of seeing the puzzle form is what is the agenda in some more detail behind that particular "puppet" and his "puppeteers".
Let's say there will be future based on the existence of Barak Obama. What that future will be like? And if it turns out to be gray, un-human, unsocial, unnatural, etc. in that line of thought, can we do something to prevent it from happening [and waking up is only part of the solution. there should be something else that we can do].
Or he might end up doing something unexpectedly good for mankind, who knows. I have to say I start to think deep when someone starts receiving all sorts of politically "bad" image. Or is this just a way of distracting and disinformation?
That is what we could figure out for the benefit of getting to our own version(s) of the truth here...
sheme
18th November 2013, 15:17
Dear bluefire Avalon would never shun someone because of their reasoned truths, that would make a mockery of everything it stands for.
I acknowledge your truth as relevant as my own, we all stand on a different part of the circle, we all see what we see from where we are. Until we can walk a mile in each others shoes it ever will be so.
First be true to yourself. There are many truths. Love and peace to you.
3optic
18th November 2013, 15:32
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Here's what I don't understand.
Why did they pick and groom HIM? Why that individual? Even if they wanted a black President at this time, there must have been many other options. What would have been wrong with Colin Powell?
The risks seem to have been huge. Forged birth certificate, unsavory stories emerging, murders of gay lovers in Chicago, drug history, sexual history... This guy is NOT a hero. It MUST have been known this would all inevitably leak. Surely someone in the elite President-selection group would have said: "Listen, we need a safer option."
Another possibility is that this is a carefully planned set-up. Maybe Obama is already installed with a "kill-switch". That could be to
keep him totally in line (like someone being blackmailed), or
to deliberately discredit him later, at some strategic point not yet reached. Like:
Problem : Obama is outed nationally and globally as a sociopathic fraud, lacking all personal integrity.
Reaction : Public outrage... "This must NEVER happen again"
Solution : Someone is brought in with totally impeccable credentials who seems like a genuine knight in shining armor -- but this time, is the REAL 'Antichrist'.
I welcome all serious ideas. It IS hard to understand why they took this apparent risk.
Perhaps they want to denigrate the office, part of a larger psy op to bring the US down. So far the last 2 presidents have been for one reason or another illegitimate. The one prior was disgraced and humiliated before leaving office.
The better to get everyone on board this Global Governance. Obviously U.S. system "doesn't work" or is sufficiently decayed, corrupt. Bring on the post-Democratic era..
chocolate
18th November 2013, 15:44
I was so not looking at that obvious scenario... Thank you, 3optic.
NOW I hope Barak Obama, [if he is a living person and all], will do something unexpectedly good for mankind.
Joe Akulis
18th November 2013, 15:57
A note to Blufire:
Earth is a school. It may have started out as a wonderous place where spirits were drawn to experience truly unique beauty, at a very tactile level, but over the ages, because of the depth we have to descend to in order to incarnate here, it became more and more of a challenge, and somewhat of a trap, to many of its visitors and natives alike.
At its current state, you can believe that all of the major figures of today are actors on a stage. They provide us a very good platform for each of us to learn about what it is like to exercise our free will. If there were not avenues where people could be jerks and practice dominating other people, then we wouldn't really know what the full extent of free will had to offer, would we?
What Bill is trying to do is to edify some of the information available, and some of the conclustions we can make about one particular player on the stage. If you don't buy into any of those conclusions, don't struggle with the problem head on. Take the problem up one level and think of it this way: Much of the information that reaches your mind and is used by you to form your current beliefs in this earth school is filtered by your higher self. It's possible that this conflict of beliefs about this particular actor on the the stage has been brought about for a purpose.
My intuition suggests that you may have caused an undue amount of suffering to yourself and maybe to your loved ones at some time in your past, due to the fact that you like to believe that everyone is good at heart. I don't know you, so I may be way off the mark, but is it possible that the lessen in all this, for you, may have something to do with you learning to avoid rushing to commit your beliefs in everyone's better nature? Perhaps there is value in you learning to be a bit more reluctant to try on your beliefs about someone, and instead stay a bit more detached when it comes to what your opinions are... Maybe doing this in the past has gotten you burned...
*shrug* This is just me trying to interpret the reason why your higher self may have placed you into this particular box that you think you're facing in this argument. It's most likely some kind of lesson that you and only you are in need of, in order to grow another step closer to graduation from this school. But what the lesson might be, I guess only you will be able to see that, later on when you are looking backwards upon this situation.
Just some thoughts. Hope it helps.
Seeker.
Robin
18th November 2013, 16:20
Actor Lennix Coy On Claims He Trained Obama (http://www.infowars.com/actor-lennix-coy-on-claims-he-trained-obama/)
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
November 18, 2013
Actor Harry Lennix reacted coyly to claims by Chicago radio host Eric ‘Mancow’ Muller that he trained Barack Obama to copy his mannerisms, denying the story as “hearsay,” yet cryptically adding, “you’d have to ask him.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxGcP5JxX9k
As we reported last week, Muller told the Alex Jones Show that Lennix – star of TV’s The Blacklist - reacted to seeing a cut out of Obama in Muller’s studio by proclaiming, “He mimicked me, he followed me for years, and they wanted me to train him and teach him how to act….like a an educated south side African-American.” Lennix added that he thought Obama was “very stupid” and had “been taught to act like this.”
Mancow’s producer Nathan also confirmed that he saw the conversation take place.
After an event at which Lennix appeared, a blogger asked the actor if the claims were true.
“Those are not my words,” said Lennix, who admitted he knew of the controversy, labeling the matter “hearsay.”
However, when asked, “Did Obama train to be like you or is that not true?,” Lennix coyly responded, “You’d have to ask him.”
“I knew him a long time….I have no idea what he did,” added Lennix, who was obviously being guarded with his words.
“I don’t like Barack Obama or his policies but I never said I trained him or anything of the kind,” added Lennix, who said he heard of the controversy surrounding the interview but not the interview itself.
Whereas Lennix was reportedly more candid with Muller – calling Obama a “rat bastard” – in the clip above he admits only to not being a supporter of the president.
Lennix’s body language and demeanor is remarkably similar to Barack Obama’s, which is why many have called for Lennix to play the president in a biopic. The actor has also been pictured with Obama in numerous photos.
However, the fact that Lennix reportedly turned down such a role suggests that he is aware of the irony of playing a character who mimics his own behavior – meaning Lennix would essentially be playing himself.
Watch the original interview with ‘Mancow’ Muller below, during which he outlines what Lennix reportedly told him about training Obama to act presidential.
araucaria
18th November 2013, 16:38
I am thinking Dolores Cannon’s Back Drop People might be applicable here. It may seem counter-intuitive to have world leaders played by extras, but on the other hand they are entities that everyone knows about, but very few actually know.
Reminded of her by this thread, I checked into the latest on Dolores Cannon and found this really strange new concept from her....Back Drop People. It seems to be a similar idea as an Organic Portal? There is not one evolutionary pathway.
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The Backdrop People in the latest “Convoluted Universe” book. (“D” stands for Dolores, and those are her questions to the hypnotized subject Suzette, who is “S.” Bolded sentences my own emphasis):
S: It’s like those people back at the cave, they’re just people. They don’t have a path. They’re just people. I had a path. That child had a path.
D: So if you choose an option, you don’t go off that path? Is that what you mean?
S: Yes. there’s just so many in this room where the crystals are that choose a life or have a path. The rest of the people aren’t sent here on a path.
D: What are their lives for then?
S: It’s like a backdrop.
That was a strange statement. I had never hard of that before.
D: What do you mean?
S: In a movie they paint something around the person so there’s a backdrop.
D: So the others don’t really have a purpose?
S: Right. They come to live, breathe, work and die.
D: Is there any hope that they might find a path, or are they a different kind of soul?
S: They didn’t choose. They’re just here to be part of the backdrop. They’re slaves. They’re slaves that go from one star system to the next and they are used as a backdrop.
D: Just to be there for these persons with a purpose.
S: Yes. For you to learn, to stay on your path, you have to have these other people in your way, living beside you, but you’re here for a lesson and they’re here for a backdrop.
D: Yes, but sometimes they create problems, to try to pull you off your path? (Yes) Is that part of their purpose, to distract you? (Yes) But when you’re in your body, you don’t know all these things, do you?
S: Not all beings are the light source. Not all light beings are the light source. They’re just here as energy to help us with our lessons, to create chaos, or to work or just to live. Certain beings go to learn the lessons for the light Source. It’s like you’re just a higher being.
D: Then the other ones, they don’t evolve to become higher beings?
S: No, they’re just energy. Like making a movie where they use extras.
D: But the ones on the path, the higher source, can they recognize each other out of all the mass of other people? (Yes) If we could do that, we wouldn’t let things bother us so much, would we?
S: That’s right.
D: If we knew they were there to add drama, I guess you would say? (Yes)
[…]
D: What is it you want Suzette to do to help?
S: Teach the young. They came here, too, but everything is going to happen quicker. They’re going to help sooner because there’s only….OH! My head hurts. (I gave her suggestions again.)
D: Why do they have to learn quicker?
S: Time is short because of these lower beings. All they want to do is hurt each other. They want to destroy each other. they want to destroy the land, which hurts the animals, the trees and the water. And in short, you have to get to the youth so they can spread the words and help heal the planet.
D: The adults are not going to be able to help?
S: The higher source adults. The others have gone from doing their jobs as backdrops to being angry. They want to be angry at somebody or something and all they want to do is kill…kill or hurt. (She winced in pain again.)
[….]
D: I’ve heard there are some that are not going to be able to be saved.
S: No. The backdrop people, but they’re angry.
D: The vibrations are changing. So the backdrop people will stay with the old Earth? (Yes) And that’s why they’re angry?
S: Yes. It’s like they’re acting and they got a script and they are playing this part, and their part is to destroy this planet.
D: they have anger about this? (Yes) But the planet cannot be destroyed, can it?
S: No. It can’t be. It’s just like when the dinosaurs died and the trees died, but everything came back to life. Not the dinosaurs or the trees, but they don’t know that part of it. But this is a beautiful planet. This is a beautiful home. Not as pretty as the crystal place, but….
D: Then the backdrop people will stay with the Earth going through all the changes, the catastrophe part?
S: Yes, they won’t survive. They’ll be gone. The others will move on. This new place will be so beautiful. The vibration will be so high and this will be a learning place.
D: That’s what I was trying to understand. It will separate into two parts?
S: Yes. It’s like two levels, and the old Earth will be on one level, and the new Earth will be on the higher level. But they won’t see each other, like they’re in two time warps.
[…]
D: So those that are left with the old Earth will live out their lives in a different way? (Yes) You said those people are not evolving at all?
S: Yes. They’re just like the backdrop, you know, like paint a picture and paint somebody on it.
D: So as the Earth goes through all the changes and catastrophes, there will be many people dying.
S: Yes, yes. there will be a lot of that. (Matter-of-factly.)
D: But they choose this before they come in anyway?
S: No, not so much choose. They’re kind of like slaves. They’re taken from one place to another to do whatever they need to do there because they are just energy.
(The following was Dolores’ own commentary after mulling this over and putting it together with other hypnosis sessions that have talked about the “two earths” and the upcoming changes and “sifting” that’s supposedly going to take place):
“It is now my opinion that these are the ones who will be left with the Old Earth, the Backdrop People because they do not have a higher vibrational purpose. They teach us lessons by their mere presence, but they are not intended to evolve further. These are the ones who will be left behind. The ones who realize their higher purpose and raise their vibration and frequency will travel on to the New Earth. There will be those who came in knowing their mission and had high ideals, but they let the negativity of the others pull them down and influence them. Those will also have to stay with the other energy on the Old Earth as they separate. This is why it is important for us to realize that it is only an illusion and find our role in the creation of the New Earth, and our part in helping others find theirs. And not be sucked into the angry energy of the Backdrop People and be stuck on the Old Earth….”
Carrissa Conti commentary (segment taken from her blog http://in2worlds.net/thoughts)
As far as the idea of a splitting earth, and a sifting, with those who evolve and move on and those who are left behind, the jury is still out on that one. It’s something I’ve heard about for years now, and I’ve made mention in my writings about splitting/diverging realms and such, which relates to that. (courtesy of learning about it from various other sources, and feeling like the concept has validity.) But I reprint all this because even if that aspect is not true, I still find the idea of “back drop”/background characters to be fascinating and important for consideration. Specifically what Dolores notes: “And not be sucked into the angry energy of the Backdrop People.”
For myself I know that for my entire life I’ve let myself get sucked down into the negative, angry energy of what could definitely be considered “backdrop people” letting them almost ruin me you could say. That’s why this resonates with me so strongly, and why I want to pass it along to others. I know that ever since my brother relayed what he did about the background drone puppets in 2001 I always kept it in mind as a possibility, but really, there’s just no way to prove such a thing. So I had intellectual knowing of a concept that could be very real, but which I was reluctant to truly implement into my daily life. Later I came across the concept of “organic portals,” which is very similar, though it’s not presented in the same way that the backdrop people are. But the gist is the same: a large percentage of the population who are basically a hive mind group soul, lacking individualization, and lacking their higher chakras and a higher self. They are incapable of spiritually growing and evolving, and don’t reincarnate the way individualized souls do. And they also apparently obtain energy from the spirited humans around them (usually through negative means) since they can’t generate it themselves. Hearing about OPs in 2002 was the first time I’d encountered material that seemed to even be remotely validating what Joe had relayed to me a year before. But I soon learned what a landmine that subject is. To say it’s “controversial” in metaphysical circles is putting it mildly. It provokes some very strong reactions in people that seem to be acting as rabidly barking gatekeeper dogs, is the only way to really put it. I can understand if someone is skeptical of an idea and/or decides, Na, this idea doesn’t work for me, I don’t believe it. But the rabid barkers seem to actually be trying to steer people away from even looking at the material, using any means possible to do so. (the big one being to liken anybody who even considers the idea of OPs as being the equivalent of Nazis who want to exterminate all the Jews. You see that comparison a lot, which is laughable. Talk about extreme leap of bad logic.) “Nothing to see here folks, move it along! Nothing to see! (insert rabid barking, ad hominem attack and other crazy bad logic to deter people away from that line of thinking.)
So I put the idea of such things back out of my head again, because again….there’s no way to prove such a thing anyway. I can’t see people’s energy, though I wish I did, and so I’m unable to know who’s who and what’s what around me via sight (Though I’ve met a few trustworthy people who do have the sight, and who’ve reported such things as non-human entities shadowing humans, and/or disguised as everyday regular people, as well as verifying that they’ve seen people with no auras and such, walking around amongst those who do have them. Which I think could be a whole other separate, though related subject in itself…..) I do a good job intuiting people, but I can’t “see” things directly. Then starting around last year I began revisiting the subject, when I began thinking “What if all those people who’ve pissed you off and dragged you down and hurt you and who you’ve invested bitter energy into for so many years…….weren’t even really real? O.o Seriously, what if they aren’t what you thought they were? What if you’ve been expending negative bitterness and frustrations and hurt feelings to the equivalent of an inanimate object?” So I’d been tossing that idea around, going back towards considering the idea again, and then I come across this in Dolores’ newest book in early 2012 talking about this exact same thing. Other than the OP’s thing, hers is the only other material that I’m aware of that delves into such a concept.
Most of us don’t have the sight and can’t know for certain if somebody is really an “OP” or a “backdrop person” just here to fill in the blanks and get in our way, as Suzette relayed, and create drama and chaos so we can learn by their mere presence. But you can certainly keep it in mind as a very likely possibility when thinking back on anybody who’s created problems for you in life, and/or creating trouble for you in the present. Knowing that the possibility exists means….there goes the negative energy you would have wasted on either nursing a past grudge or getting sucked into a current drama. Because seriously….would you sit there and get pissed at a rock, for instance? It’s a rock. What’s the point, right? Or in the case of a past grievance/hurt, just realize, Okay, I was dealing with someone who was acting like a robot. Got it. No need to harbor all this negative energy for something of that sort.”
We can’t change the “rocks” that got in our way in the past or do anything about the way in which we let them get the upper hand on us before, but we can make sure more “rocks” don’t get the best of us again. “hmmm…I could be dealing with a rock here…..Best to err on the side of assuming they’re a rock and not feed into this nonsense.” :D And most importantly, we don’t want anybody dragging us down into their pit. Can’t imagine anything worse than getting pulled off one’s path and permanently derailed….over a rock.
Just something to keep in mind, especially in these times and with whatever’s coming up around the bend……http://in2worlds.net/thoughts
Robin
18th November 2013, 17:00
I am thinking Dolores Cannon’s Back Drop People might be applicable here. It may seem counter-intuitive to have world leaders played by extras, but on the other hand they are entities that everyone knows about, but very few actually know.
I found this concept interesting and amusing. ;)
To me it's almost a bit insulting to go up to somebody and tell them that they are a "backdrop person" who does not have a soul. Just thinking about it amuses me!
It seems like this person's subconscious, or this person's ego, decided to put a name on something that either they do not understand, or to validate their beliefs.
It's kind of like devout Christians claiming that dinosaur fossils were put into the ground by God as a way to test humanity's faith. Again, very amusing.
But thank you for posting this. I do think that people have different missions, and this could be worth noting. :madgrin:
araucaria
18th November 2013, 17:12
@samwise, dinosaur fossils are very relevant: they could well be backdrops. We have dinosaur fossils, but no dinosaurs. Were there any? We don't know.
jagman
18th November 2013, 17:19
I believe Mancow first interview was correct. I do not blame Mr. Lennix for backing
off some of his previous comments made to Mancow and his producers. For godsake
just 2 weeks ago it came out in the mainstream media that BO was bragging that he
really good at killing people. I really dont give a crap if BO is gay. He is a disgrace to
the black community and the white community and to the gay community period.
AutumnW
18th November 2013, 17:26
Araucuria, I would be really careful listening to anybody who refers to a majority or even large minority of human beings as 'backdrop people.' This minimizes and/or marginalizes them and feeds the ego of the listener, who is encouraged to identify with the speaker, one of the select. People who are negative and angry aren't necessarily soulless, organic portals. They're stressed out, fearful and living without hope. Trust me, I have been around them too. There's a cottage industry growing up around the idea that a huge percentage of the world's population are, for all intents and purposes, dispensable because they are soulless. It is a potentially very dangerous game to play or ideology to be involved with, imho. Your heart is no doubt in the right place, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Of course there are a tiny minority, who control the world, who should be locked up, after their crimes are exposed. Unfortunately the president would have to initiate this and he has the tools to do it. He could declare a national emergency and then national security laws, that can be applied by the executive branch, (much like what they would have done to Snowdon) could be used to incarcerate them while evidence was gathered. Unfortunately, the president, clearly a psychopath, doesn't want or care to do it. The executive branch, backed by the military, has tremendous power. More now than ever before.
araucaria
18th November 2013, 17:36
Araucuria, I would be really careful listening to anybody who refers to a majority or even large minority of human beings as 'backdrop people.' This minimizes and/or marginalizes them and feeds the ego of the listener, who is encouraged to identify with the speaker, one of the select. People who are negative and angry aren't necessarily soulless, organic portals. They're stressed out, fearful and living without hope. Trust me, I have been around them too. There's a cottage industry growing up around the idea that a huge percentage of the world's population are, for all intents and purposes, dispensable because they are soulless. It is a potentially very dangerous game to play or ideology to be involved with, imho. Your heart is no doubt in the right place, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Of course there are a tiny minority, who control the world, who should be locked up, after their crimes are exposed. Unfortunately the president would have to initiate this and he has the tools to do it. He could declare a national emergency and then national security laws, that can be applied by the executive branch, (much like what they would have done to Snowdon) could be used to incarcerate them while evidence was gathered. Unfortunately, the president, clearly a psychopath, doesn't want or care to do it. The executive branch, backed by the military, has tremendous power. More now than ever before.
There is nothing dispensable about anyone, and I am not 'listening' to anyone as you put it, so please do not think I am playing hopscotch on the way to hell. But thanks for your solicitude.
I do think however that there is a lot more to be done than simply locking up a few individuals.
AutumnW
18th November 2013, 17:49
Araucuria, I would be really careful listening to anybody who refers to a majority or even large minority of human beings as 'backdrop people.' This minimizes and/or marginalizes them and feeds the ego of the listener, who is encouraged to identify with the speaker, one of the select. People who are negative and angry aren't necessarily soulless, organic portals. They're stressed out, fearful and living without hope. Trust me, I have been around them too. There's a cottage industry growing up around the idea that a huge percentage of the world's population are, for all intents and purposes, dispensable because they are soulless. It is a potentially very dangerous game to play or ideology to be involved with, imho. Your heart is no doubt in the right place, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Of course there are a tiny minority, who control the world, who should be locked up, after their crimes are exposed. Unfortunately the president would have to initiate this and he has the tools to do it. He could declare a national emergency and then national security laws, that can be applied by the executive branch, (much like what they would have done to Snowdon) could be used to incarcerate them while evidence was gathered. Unfortunately, the president, clearly a psychopath, doesn't want or care to do it. The executive branch, backed by the military, has tremendous power. More now than ever before.
There is nothing dispensable about anyone, and I am not 'listening' to anyone as you put it, so please do not think I am playing hopscotch on the way to hell. But thanks for your solicitude.
I do think however that there is a lot more to be done than simply locking up a few individuals.
You just posted a link to someone you listened to. You wrote that her opinions resonated with your own. So forgive me if I somehow misinterpreted somewhere.
If you are frequenting the forum of a rather heavy woman who chain smokes to discourage abduction by aliens, best beware. I am not referring to the woman in the video but the one who has made a small fortune off of the 'organic portal' idea.
Other than locking up the very few psychopaths who are in power, what would you do?
araucaria
18th November 2013, 18:07
You just posted a link to someone you listened to. You wrote that her opinions resonated with your own. So forgive me if I somehow misinterpreted somewhere.
If you are frequenting the forum of a rather heavy woman who chain smokes to discourage abduction by aliens, best beware. I am not referring to the woman in the video but the one who has made a small fortune off of the 'organic portal' idea.
Other than locking up the very few psychopaths who are in power, what would you do?
Check that thread and listen to Dolores Cannon. There was a question about 'Could we be other people's backdrop?'. The tentative answer was not no. The issue of soullessness came up: not soullessness, but souls in a different stage of evolution, which is an obvious possibility, a truism even. Take yourself today and twenty years ago. This is where you misinterpreted.
Do I frequent the forum of Laura Knight-Jadcyk? No sir. But that person did publish a book by someone else called 'Political Ponerology' on psychopathic behaviours that I would recommend. Psychopaths are commonly seen as soulless, or if they have a soul, it is virtually impossible to reach.
What would I do apart from locking people up? Or rather what do I do? I deal with that part of me that is involved with the evil in the world, because it is not just a few psychopaths out there, and when we get enough people cleaning out their own backyards, maybe the outside world willl have changed for the better. This is a fairly basic feature of what we are doing here on Avalon.
SilentFeathers
18th November 2013, 18:07
Other than locking up the very few psychopaths who are in power, what would you do?
Prosecute them if they broke any laws....once released from jail they would by court order have to take their mind altering and cancer causing medications and never be allowed to own a gun..... get a real job (preferably minimum wage job)....they must sign up for Obamacare.....they must shop at regular stores like the rest of us and eat plenty of GMO foods and drink plenty of fluoride water, they must own a couch and a TV and spend at least 6 hours a day on that couch watching that TV.
This would be what it would take for them to be a normal/average model citizen and fit right in with society....
spiritwind
18th November 2013, 19:29
Do I frequent the forum of Laura Knight-Jadcyk? No sir. But that person did publish a book by someone else called 'Political Ponerology' on psychopathic behaviours that I would recommend. Psychopaths are commonly seen as soulless, or if they have a soul, it is virtually impossible to reach.
This book is by Andrew M. Lobaczewski. For those more science minded folks who haven't read it I highly recommend this book to get a better understanding of how psychopathology really works on an individual and at a much larger (National) level. For those of us who are not this way it is almost impossible to really wrap our mind around what we are really dealing with here. Regardless of who helped get it printed this is a very important book.
AutumnW
18th November 2013, 19:57
Araucaria, I wrote my responses quickly and wasn't aware they come across as border line insulting. I will pm you with explanation of my reaction. Sorry
Oouthere
18th November 2013, 19:59
If people have no experienced psychopaths/sociopaths, I don't think it is understood how bad it can be. But Obama does not appear to be a psychopath, but he does fit the description of sociopath.
These type people will lie until the end, I've experienced them. There is no dealing with them and they will only change enough to continue getting what they want. But are never to be trusted.
Rich
AutumnW
18th November 2013, 20:29
If people have no experienced psychopaths/sociopaths, I don't think it is understood how bad it can be. But Obama does not appear to be a psychopath, but he does fit the description of sociopath.
These type people will lie until the end, I've experienced them. There is no dealing with them and they will only change enough to continue getting what they want. But are never to be trusted.
Rich
What do you see as the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath?
AutumnW
18th November 2013, 20:36
'Political Ponerology' on psychopathic behaviours that I would recommend. Psychopaths are commonly seen as soulless, or if they have a soul, it is virtually impossible to reach.
What would I do apart from locking people up? Or rather what do I do? I deal with that part of me that is involved with the evil in the world, because it is not just a few psychopaths out there, and when we get enough people cleaning out their own backyards, maybe the outside world willl have changed for the better. This is a fairly basic feature of what we are doing here on Avalon.
Well that's wise. I think the best thing a woman can do is deny these guys breeding privileges. Mothers can teach their daughters what to look out for and if that doesn't work, as they are stealthy predators, mothers and fathers can at least be there for their daughters, (or sons) if they are crushed by marrying one of these things and need to relocate...before they have children!
Carmody
18th November 2013, 22:02
What goes on, on a film set, is supposed to stay on a film set. Everyone on a film set knows that. What you see or hear on a film set is off bounds, not to be public, period. That is, if one wants to work again.
As well, I tell things to people, in person, that I will not say on this forum.
grannyfranny100
18th November 2013, 22:05
One of Bill's questions was why Obama was picked and groomed rather than someone else. Mentally I keep coming back to things Basiago said about his early training. It has been a while since I read his material but here is what I remember.
Supposably they had some device that allowed them to see into the future. Basiago remembers eating in a Albuquerque restaurant with his father and leaders of the program he was in. Bush and Bush Jr. had been seen as future Presidents and were glad handing at the various tables when they learned the news.
Much earlier, Basiago's dad brought him a document from the future and wanted him to read and remember as much as possible because the document was a book that Basiago would write in the future which he has done.
Apparently the program people were trying to enhance the future on this timeline. Perhaps that has something to do with the selection of Obama and his training.
Basiago's veracity is questionable because his testimony is way out there about black ops programs. However, other people in early Camelot interviews have also spoken about devices that allowed people to see into the future. If such devices existed, perhaps this is part of Obama's selection and training.
onawah
18th November 2013, 22:47
I find Basiago suspect because he make outlandish claims about creatures and objects appearing in photos of Mars which to my eye, don't exist at all.
And he just doesn't look like a key player to me at all.
Shane
18th November 2013, 22:56
The president will sit in the chair. We have all the power required to pick who sits in that chair, so..
One day, we might need to take him out of his chair. He might not want to get out of his chair. He may start yelling from his chair. Others might rally around him to protect him in his chair.
So it's always best to build a trap door in the floor under the chair that can dispose of both the person in the chair, and those who rally around him. Or better yet, find someone willing to build their own trap door.
A "trap door" for a president.. Is a closet full of skeletons.
Acknowledge the skeletons and feed the spider who lives in the closet - just in case - we ever need to show the world what is hidden in there.
If the skeletons alone don't repulse.. The spider will scare the pants off ya.
Addition to further clarify point:
The skills and behaviours required to sit comfortably in this chair can be programmed, conditioned, developed, nurtured and/or taught. The "trap door" cannot be created from thin air well enough. So in picking the man who sits in the chair the most important part is how deadly is his "trap door".
sheme
18th November 2013, 23:12
http://www.arkcode.com/whats_new_26.html
This is interesting perhaps others can place more meaning here, 5 years old now.
Just another thought that is rather obvious, within plain sight in mind.
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mosquito
19th November 2013, 03:39
I am sorry but we do not have Capitalism, maybe we need to change the name but the fact is the US has not had anything remotely resembling real Capitalism in generations. ..........
You deserve a reply, which is in no way meant as an argument.
First of all, let me tell you about myself. I'm 55, I've visited 29 different countries, and lived and worked in a good number of them. I've changed my opinion on virtually every matter under the sun many times in my life and, importantly, I've had my own country's myths exploded one by one over the years, to the point where I am now only ever an Englishman when watching a rugby match.
Growing up in 70s, socialist Britain, in a single-parent family, believe me I hated socialism. I was a capitalist through and through. I also used to believe the same equation that you believe - capitalism=freedom, socialism=slavery. I visited Poland during the time that it was still under Soviet occupation, saw "communism" at work, and said "no thank you" as any thinking person would.
I don't want to ramble on, simply to state that I am not now into any kind of -ism, it's all part of the political/economic charade which keeps us imprisoned. I don't know about anyone else, but the future Earth I envision is one where we live in harmony with each other, not with unicorns and fairies, but respecting each other's rights, cooperatinng with each other, living in balance, as much as we can. That is neither a communist nor socialist dream, nor is it a capitalist one. I'm not even sure I'd go along with being called a humanist, it's still an "-ism". I don't wish to live in a society where children die just because their parents have no money. I don't want to live in a society where people start their working life with a mountain of debt. Does that make me an evil commie ? No, it makes me normal.
Let's not quibble about terms - OK, the USA is a corporatocracy, I'll go along with that. The problem with ALL political ideologies is that they founder on one thing - human nature. Man's propensity for self-serving greed can be seen virtually everywhere, in Soviet style communism, corporatism, whatever. I suppose it's all part and parcel of the scarcity paradigm, which can only be overcome when we are no longer in competition, economic and biological, with one another. Free energy is a key ingredient for our future.
risveglio
19th November 2013, 05:17
the future Earth I envision is one where we live in harmony with each other, not with unicorns and fairies, but respecting each other's rights, cooperatinng with each other, living in balance, as much as we can.
I see Capitalism as the only way of achieving this goal unless of course there is some strong consciousness change. Now to have Capitalism you need sound money and private property. We no longer have either in the US. It is possible that the world has seen the creation of a sound money though, so maybe there really was a turning point a few short months ago.
which can only be overcome when we are no longer in competition, economic and biological, with one another. Free energy is a key ingredient for our future.
I don't see how even free energy will change what appears to be human nature, competition and survival.
Oouthere
19th November 2013, 05:18
Hiya Autumn,
Practically identical except a psychopath is physically violent with a bad temper and a sociopath tends to be even tempered and less/non-violent.
Rich
giovonni
19th November 2013, 06:23
hmm ...
Actor Harry Lennix Denies Claims He Trained Obama
"Actor Harry Lennix reacted coyly to claims by Chicago radio host Eric 'Mancow' Muller that he trained Barack Obama to copy his mannerisms, denying the story as "hearsay," yet cryptically adding, "you'd have to ask him" ?
Published on Nov 18, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPKRXyJlw8Q
Shannow
19th November 2013, 08:02
Hiya Autumn,
Practically identical except a psychopath is physically violent with a bad temper and a sociopath tends to be even tempered and less/non-violent.
Rich
When my sister was doing psychology, she said that the difference was whether they were on the front page of the newspaper or in the business pages...
1:10 of the population, 6 times over-represented in senior management/politics. Her assignment was to determine whether:
a) these people want power;
b) powerful people promote them, as they see themselves in them; or
c) people finding themselves in power adapt these strategies to cope.
ratio was 4:4:2 in that order
Cognitive Dissident
19th November 2013, 08:13
@samwise, dinosaur fossils are very relevant: they could well be backdrops. We have dinosaur fossils, but no dinosaurs. Were there any? We don't know.
This is OT, but araucaria, you are exactly right - dinosaurs could not exist in Earth's current gravity, they could not support their own body weight!
See: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cosmos-Collision-Theodore-A-Holden-ebook/dp/B00C4MF8UE/ref=tmm_kin_title_0
Referee
19th November 2013, 08:49
more from AJ and Man Cow....
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RMorgan
19th November 2013, 10:51
Hey folks,
Unfortunately, gradually, I'm starting to believe that Alex Jones is just a fear porn trader and is confusing people on purpose.
Everybody knows that acting coaching is common in politics, all over the world. This is not a secret. I don't believe Alex Jones doesn't know that, even for a second.
So, honestly, there's no other reason for him to keep pushing this "Harry Lennix trained Obama" key besides to deliberately manipulate people.
Alex Jones seems to be one of the good guys, but he certainly has got his own agenda. His journalistic style is far from being balanced and impartial.
Raf.
Curt
19th November 2013, 11:27
Jones is a libertarian and feels Obama is a Marxist, so I think his dislike of Obama is pretty visceral.
That colours the way he reads the information and how he tells the story.
But I tend to cut Jones some slack here. He's pretty up-front about his perspective, which is helpful for careful readers.
AJ does seem to be one of the good guys.
But he's like a dog with a bone when it comes to these sorts of red meat stories about Obama.
I question who is behind pushing this stuff to alt media sources, though. Who are 'they', and what's 'their' agenda?
That's how I look at all the news coming from media of any stripe these days: who's feeding them the info, and what is the reason it's being leaked out?
I want to know who's trying to spin me, what they want me to believe, and what might be the benefit to them in having me believe it. ;)
The story behind the story is far more meaningful, I think.
Hey folks,
Unfortunately, gradually, I'm starting to believe that Alex Jones is just a fear porn trader and is confusing people on purpose.
Everybody knows that acting coaching is common in politics, all over the world. This is not a secrete. I don't believe Alex Jones doesn't know that, even for a second.
So, honestly, there's no other reason for him to keep pushing this "Harry Lennix trained Obama" key besides to deliberate manipulate people.
Alex Jones seems to be one of the good guys, but he certainly has got his own agenda. His journalistic style is far from being balanced and impartial.
Raf.
chocolate
19th November 2013, 12:33
One of Bill's questions was why Obama was picked and groomed rather than someone else. Mentally I keep coming back to things Basiago said about his early training. It has been a while since I read his material but here is what I remember.
Supposably they had some device that allowed them to see into the future. Basiago remembers eating in a Albuquerque restaurant with his father and leaders of the program he was in. Bush and Bush Jr. had been seen as future Presidents and were glad handing at the various tables when they learned the news.
Much earlier, Basiago's dad brought him a document from the future and wanted him to read and remember as much as possible because the document was a book that Basiago would write in the future which he has done.
Apparently the program people were trying to enhance the future on this timeline. Perhaps that has something to do with the selection of Obama and his training.
Basiago's veracity is questionable because his testimony is way out there about black ops programs. However, other people in early Camelot interviews have also spoken about devices that allowed people to see into the future. If such devices existed, perhaps this is part of Obama's selection and training.
I have to go listen to this person on Project Camelot's youtube channel! He seems like my kinda guy. ;)
For the record, I agree with Raf about Alex Jones. I never liked him nor I believe in anything he says.
But that doesn't mean Bill's question is not important.
SilentFeathers
19th November 2013, 12:40
As I said earlier in this thread, if Mancow is such "good friends" with Lennix as he claims, why would Mancow go public with Lennix's personal off camera/off mike comments about Obama without first asking permission to do so from Lennix, who is the real rat bastard here??????
Who treats their "good friends" like this? Mancow had to know this would basically go viral and cause all kinds of friction for his "good friend".
Personally it wouldn't surprise me if Lennix said these things about Obama, but so what? We weren't there and don't know the depth of truth or sarcasm Lennix was expressing.....all we know is what Mancow is telling us by being a rat bastard and betraying his "good friend", and now Lennix back pedals a bit but still claims his dislike for Obama (policy related).
Common sense tells me there's no way Lennix trained Obama and taught him everything he knows, that's just downright ridiculous IMO.
...and I'm not surprised Alex Jones ran with this story, it's what he does.
childs hood end
19th November 2013, 12:43
In order to take down rome
First you must bring down its army
Im not saying obama is a white hat
or that he will save us...
but every time he misbehaves he wakes up more people,
and draws more attention to government corruption than the whole
alternative media put together...
Im not saying obama will take down the corruption in the U.S gov.
But he sure is doing a fine job of waking up the sleeping joints that will.
Since obama come on the scene more people from all corners of the planet
watch or have bin drawn to American politics, and the going ons of governments...
(dont think hillarys or any other runners charm could have achieved this)
so in my opinion yes the placed agent obama is doing us all a huge service,
whether he knows it or likes it or not.
But on the other hand I have to say...
If obama was the evil dictator that had his ex gay lovers killed do you honestly think alex jones would have 2 legs... let alone a radio and news program.
I honestly cant see how its taking mrs pope all this time to come forward... and why now ?
and why should harry lennix be trusted anyway ?
Its clear that obama has kicked the old world powers in the face, (clearly shown in his speech over the English national anthem in the queens gaff).
and yes its clear hes paving the way for corporate powers...
its also clear False flags are becoming as common as Sundays... but it seems these events are actors Playing der part. I don’t know whats going on here ?
but it does mean someones is Choosing not to harm.
(the old world powers would not have bin so kind)
Are these acting false flag events to fool us or some one or some thing else ?
But i have to ask.... if people in power are mind controlled or have a
Knife to their throat from some being or entity, be it djing or the archons...
Which is probably the case...
Isn’t it possible that a small part of human left in them is trying like mad
To wake us up... maybe they know that this is der only hope.(being reckless)
i don’t think the trails left after 911 Were by mistake...
look at how many people 911 is still waking.
(maybe they will be reading in the history books of the future how the bushes
under mind control tryed to wake the masses and brake us out of our mind control with the 911 **** ups... we just dont know)
I honestly think that world goverments do work in our best interests as much as they possibly can get away with... but they have there necks in a noose all the time.
maybe to sacrifice a few saves the more.
this also makes me think that these evil entitys have seen the trails been left and are now trying to turn humanity on its goverments as the blame to save them selfs.
what i do believe is... its all part of the greater plan.
injoy the ride... coz ders no escaping death.
p.s
why obama... coz hes the right man for the job I suppose.
Peace.
Joe Akulis
19th November 2013, 14:46
That stuff about Basiago seeing the future, sounds like you're talking about project Looking Glass. Those without an aversion to David Wilcock can go to youtube and search on "2012 Enigma". You should find the video where he describes how Looking Glass works and how it was used. Seems the bosses figured out how the pineal gland operates and made their own device based on the same principle, or something like that.
chocolate
19th November 2013, 17:04
There are a lot of projects related to time travel and such. Pineal gland or another gland, some people simply can access the field without any additional technology, they simply have the gift of sight.
Also, for anyone familiar with practical remote viewing, like presented by Ed Dames, there are ways.
One point though. There is no future fixed as such. It all moves with everything else.
There is the theory that we are living in a time line created by Napoleon's visitation in the Egyptian Great Pyramid. So in order to change this time line someone needs to do it with that in mind [if one believes in this, which I do].
Link to James Horak & Robert Stanley - A Tale of two Timelines:
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I am and will be listening to Andrew Bisagio. It is never too much for me.
But I am going outside the point of the discussion here, so
"Back to topic". :p or am I?
amor
20th November 2013, 00:44
Re: Who really is Barack Obama?
I have read the above with interest but not surprise, given the things I have read on Project Camelot about $3 billion in profitable speculation on $11 trillion given by the Queen, and everything presently there from a Whistleblower about the dangerous overlords of The City of London who have planned World War III, the nano-flu bug that gives pneumonia and kills in 12 days for which there is no cure and is planned for China, the nukes planned by provoking Iran (bring in China) and wipe out the middle-east, all before the Poles of Earth Shift leaving very few people alive. The MEN/ALIENS
who have planned this put Obama in. He is a patsey as much as all of us are. The Masons, Jesuits, Black Pope, Rothchilds are on the Group of 13. The Whistleblower says their time is short and they have to accomplish WWIII before the Planet Shifts, so that they can find themselves with their power in place when we are mostly dead. This is all so evil that I can only blame it on the REPTILIANS. However, we are at fault. Even if they own and control the police, military, etc., there must be real men in America who can drag these bankers off their thrones overnight and do to them what they are planning to do to us with those 30,000 guillotines which have been ordered with our tax money. Can you imagine what is being planned for your darling little children, separated from their parents who are sent to FEMA camps. Will they feed them to the Reptilians, their favorite meal? All this in the name of population reduction? The point being missed here is that there is no democracy. There should be assemblies from the local level to the very top groupings and short term limits. Education must include government, civics, etc. Be kind, fair and helpful to your neighbor and other countries and we will neither have nor need wars to keep the fat cats in power and luxury. Abolish corporations and foundations. That should help to put the vultures out of business quickly. Close down Wall Street, the gambling den. If you want a company's shares, write to them and purchase directly with no middle man involved. There must be no gambling on commodities. Farmers must get their fair return for their labor. There is nothing wrong with everyone growing their own food or along with the community. Why is Africa starving? Because the same vicious elite create conflict in Africa to abscond with their precious resources in order to build their war machines. Corrupt leaders are installed to do the bidding of the Elite. The state of elections in the world is a simptom of the underlying disease spawned by the City of London to control the world and since the existing offworld space program is operated by the Greys and Reptilians, it all appears to me to be a plot to destroy the human race and take over the planet. It is they who are destroying the Planet with Oil, Chemtrails, Pollution, etc., not us. The Elite will get what they deserve thereafter. Are there any real men left?
Gaia
20th November 2013, 00:47
A cocaine users and gay seems like a pretty good start for a career in politics...
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