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bogeyman

16th November 2013, 21:07

On the 22 November 2013 it will be 50 years since the assassination of President Kennedy. Many theories and conspiracies have been forthcoming, some have been in the form of documentaries some in the form of movies, here is just one of them, and it is certainly in my opinion, have some grains of truth. It is called Executive Action (1973) and was at the time largely ignored.

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ghostrider

17th November 2013, 01:52

yeah one guy got off six shots with a bolt action rifle and hit a moving target and scored a head shot ??? yeah right , in dreamland maybe ... I wonder if JFK would have lived , how different things would have been ... no war in Nam , and all the damage LBJ did would never have happened ...

Frederick Jackson

17th November 2013, 01:54

The following is a fantastically good documentary on the JFK assassination. So far I have only looked at Part 2, but just this one part alone is enormously convincing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7LbNWUNfnaA

Cognitive Dissident

17th November 2013, 11:37

Looks very interesting! Also on my reading list, is Jim Marr's updated edition of Crossfire: The Plot that Killed JFK, on which the movie JFK was based:
http://www.amazon.com/Crossfire-Plot-That-Killed-Kennedy/dp/0465031803/ref=la_B000AQ79RQ_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1384687943&sr=1-2

How anyone can still believe or support the "lone gunman" theory, is beyond me.

In looking at the mainstream coverage of the 50th anniversary of JFK's murder, it is very interesting that the majority of the coverage is like a "list" of the "alternative theories" including the lone gunman theory, the CIA-did-it, the Mafia-did-it, the Cubans-did-it, the LBJ-did-it, etc. but never actually getting into the detail of the what actually happened on that day, who was Oswald really, etc.

Shows to me that the true story of what happened is still too hot to describe in the mainstream media. Like 9/11 and many other subjects.

Mark (Star Mariner)

17th November 2013, 14:40

This (the following) was the probably the best summary/theory/explanation of all the events surrounding the JFK assassination I have ever heard. It was a superb interview, on Coast to Coast from a couple of months ago, and the guest speaker in question was Jerome Corsi.

I know that I listened to it on Youtube, but I cannot find it anymore. There are numerous Coast to Coast youtube clips out there, but not this one. Strange, and a bit annoying, as I had hoped to link it here.

Anyway here's the listing for that show: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/09/17

But you have to be a member to get it. If anyone else can find it (for free), would be grateful for the link.

Cognitive Dissident

17th November 2013, 15:50

Maunagarjana

17th November 2013, 19:10

I have been arguing with people who believe the official story of the JFK assassination on the web this morning. It's really a waste of time. There is no hope for those people. They are disgrace to the human race. I told them to read the article "The Confessions of E Howard Hunt", but not one of these people would read the article because they just knew it was bogus without ever looking at it. A lifetime CIA operative who was on the rogue CIA team that killed Kennedy who's son made recordings of him spilling everything he knew before he died, and that apparently doesn't raise an eyebrow. What are they waiting for? An official press conference?

Delight

20th November 2013, 15:36

In 1963 at 8 years old, I was obsessed with the Kennedy Assassination. In addition to the assassination grief, I saw Oswald killed live on TV. It started me off early to rebel because even as a kid, the whole thing smelled very bad.

Nigel Turner's The Men Who Killed Kennedy is a British (ITV) documentary film finally broadcast in the US in September 1991 on A&E cable, just a couple of months before Stone's JFK opened. Other episodes were added later for a total of nine.

The first episode was something my friends and I talked about for days. "YES, There can be the overthrow of a government. There was a coup d'état, in America through the assassination of President Kennedy." My peers and I were already jaded by the way the US government worked but we still had hope that a change could happen. We were dedicated to our activism.

Now, I no longer have a belief that change comes through political means. The assassinations of JFK and the others who followed still incense my mind when I am in a low state.

Even when I feel change is assured in a way that is positive, and know we are not condemned to live in a feudal fascist state; the coup is still relevant and the crime still matters.

Here is a link to all 9 episodes on youtube

http://www.carnicominstitute.org/html/webdesigner/themenwhokilledkennedy/themenwhokilledkennedy.htm

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mountain_jim

20th November 2013, 17:58

Today at VT is another excellent article with participation of Jim Fetzer

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/11/19/the-jfk-war-the-disturbing-case-of-jim-dieugenio-lbj-and-israel/

For those interested in going deep into the topic, I highly recommend reading his various articles on the subject at VT, several of which are linked to from this one. I was not aware of the murder of Mary Meyer and how that relates, so I read the link

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/07/22/marys-mosaic-a-litmus-test-of-jfk-research-integrity/'

where Fetzer ( I assume as editor and expert) and others are evaluating other researcher's motives based on how they categorize various sources and info.

Delight

20th November 2013, 18:16

Mary Meyer and the CIA/Timothy Leary/ LSD/ Kennedy connection is fascinating:

Leary's ideas received considerable publicity and in 1962 he was contacted by Mary Pinchot Meyer. Leary supplied her with LSD who used it with her lover, President John F. Kennedy. Leary later claimed that Meyer helped influence Kennedy's views on nuclear disarmament and rapprochement with Cuba. Kennedy aide, Meyer Feldman, claimed in an interview with Nina Burleigh that the president might have discussed substantial issues with Meyer: "I think he might have thought more of her than some of the other women and discussed things that were on his mind, not just social gossip."

In 1963 Leary and Alpert were dismissed from Harvard University after complaints from the parents of students involved in experimenting with LSD. The two men moved to New York and continued their research at a large mansion called Millbrook. On several occasions Millbrook was raided by FBI agents. This included one raid led by G. Gordon Liddy.

According to his biography, Flashbacks, Timothy Leary claims that Mary Pinchot Meyer phoned him the day after John F. Kennedy was assassinated: "They couldn't control him any more. He was changing too fast. He was learning too much... They'll cover everything up. I gotta come see you. I'm scared. I'm afraid."

In the summer of 1964 Meyer told friends that she believed someone had been inside her house while she was away. On another occasion she told Elizabeth Eisenstein that "she thought she had seen somebody leaving as she walked in". Meyer reported these incidents to the police. Eisenstein said Meyer was clearly frightened by these incidents.

On 12th October, 1964, Mary Pinchot Meyer was shot dead as she walked along the Chesapeake and Ohio towpath in Georgetown. Meyer appeared to have been killed by a professional hitman. The first bullet was fired at the back of the head. She did not die straight away. A second shot was fired into the heart. The evidence suggests that in both cases, the gun was virtually touching Meyer’s body when it was fired. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKlearyT.htm

...The CIA planned to use LSD as an aid in the interrogation of captured enemy agents, as well as a sort of prophylactic for training American agents in resisting interrogation in the event of capture. Another usage of the drug planned by the Agency was as a clandestine confusion agent, to be slipped into food, drink, or whatever to foreign leaders and politicians of a leftist slant in order to reduce them to quivering, hallucinating blobs of flesh, gibbering deranged nonsense in public speeches, embarrassing and disgracing themselves before the public and in the eyes of the world. (172)

Of course, the CIA claims that such a use of LSD was never contemplated against domestic targets. But the Agency, in violation of its own (pre-Reagan) charter, gathered domestic intelligence right from the start, and during the height of the anti-war movement, coordinated Operation CHAOS with the FBI, military intelligence, and various police departments, to infiltrate and disrupt those pesky peaceniks. (173) The CIA intercepted and opened mail, tapped phones, ran smear campaigns. (174) As we have already seen, during the heyday of MK-ULTRA, the Agency tested LSD on unwitting US citizens, in conditions that were far from clinical and in ways that were nowhere near being "scientific." They even used each other as guinea pigs. And there are still unanswered questions about what role, if any, the CIA might have played in inundating the 1960s counter-culture with LSD and other drugs during a crucial period, or even if they possibly created the counter-culture, through unforeseen circumstances, or even as the ultimate MK-ULTRA experiment in mass psychological control and manipulation through drugs.

Too absurd to even consider? Then stop reading now, you won't be able to take what's coming next...

There is something about the story of Mary Meyer-as-JFK's LSD- mistress that, if true, is naggingly bothersome. Like the assassination itself, it demands clarification, insists on being solved. Recall the plans of Al Hubbard and Humphrey Osmond to make the world a better, more peaceful place with the application of psychedelic chemical therapy to certain hand- picked politicians, and their claims of some success. All this quite a few years before Mary Meyer's similar campaign: was it a case of like thinking evolving from acid insight happening in two different places and times, or was Mary Meyer possibly acting as an agent for Hubbard and Osmond, or someone who was their direct agent?

Consider the Leary connection to Mary Meyer in light of his connections to Hubbard, Osmond, and Aldous Huxley. Consider Hubbard's career as an undercover agent for various government agencies and defense related industries, including his connection to the CIA. Consider his later career spent fighting against the youth counter-culture that one would otherwise think he would have been proud of as being the fruit of his labors. Then consider Mary Meyer herself, estranged wife of one of the CIA's seminal top operatives, and her affair with a president who developed a mutual distrust for the CIA, a president who swore he would shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter the remnants to the wind. A president believed by many to have been assassinated by that same CIA. Consider the CIA sex and drugs safehouse experiments conducted by George Hunter White. Consider the proposed use of LSD as a means of discrediting foreign leaders. Consider the list of substances developed by the CIA, or attempted to be developed by the CIA listed above.

Now consider this: was John F. Kennedy, president of the United States, the ultimate MK-ULTRA guinea pig? Was Mary Pinchot Meyer playing some sort of clandestine game, was she some sort of Mata Hari? Or was she perhaps unwittingly being used by someone in that capacity?

After all, if we can seriously consider a CIA ready, willing, and able to assassinate a president they came to see as a threat or a traitor, why not a CIA willing to dose a president with LSD and study him as a test subject? What other world leader could they try their theories out on while observing him in closely monitored, intimate situations?

Still too absurd to consider? Probably. I hesitate to even put it on paper myself. But that isn't even the most bizarre possible theory...

While LSD is not guaranteed to permanently alter the thought processes of those who experience it, despite the frequent claims to the contrary often made during the 1960s, it certainly will give those individuals possessed of some intelligence and discernment a lot to think about. During the time period when CIA agents were furthering the scientific testing of LSD by dosing each other without warning, most agents had their already well-entrenched paranoid worldviews reinforced: to them, LSD was a nightmare experience, one to be avoided at all costs. But to some it was truly a revelation. One agent, after coming down from the peak of a trip, broke down and wept in front of his fellow spooks.

"I didn't want to leave it. I felt I would be going back to a place where I wouldn't be able to hold onto this kind of beauty. I felt very unhappy. The people who wrote the report on me said I had experienced depression, but they didn't understand why I felt so bad. They thought I had had a bad trip." http://www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_lsd.html

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mountain_jim

20th November 2013, 19:09

Thank you Delight, for that video link. I learned much from that.

When I clicked the link I did not know that Leary's personal experiences with her would be narrated within.

And I am one who has read many of Leary's books, attended a lecture of his in person, and can appreciate the significance of what Mary's LSD dosing of JFK may have contributed to JFK's changing views and awareness of the shadow government as it was developing then and how that helped lead to his killing.

to highlight the quote:

According to his biography, Flashbacks, Timothy Leary claims that Mary Pinchot Meyer phoned him the day after John F. Kennedy was assassinated: "They couldn't control him any more. He was changing too fast. He was learning too much... They'll cover everything up. I gotta come see you. I'm scared. I'm afraid."

Delight

20th November 2013, 19:30

And I am one who has read many of Leary's books, attended a lecture of his in person, and can appreciate the significance of what Mary's LSD dosing of JFK may have contributed to JFK's changing views and awareness of the shadow government as it was developing then and how that helped lead to his killing.

OH YES! Of Course. Makes me sad but it is also fascinating. Just for completness, here are a couple of other good sources:

Thread about Oswald here at PA

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44157-Exploding-the-Kennedy-Oswald-Billy-Lovelady-conspiracy

Focus on LBJ..(a personal favorite target of suspicion in past years)...very malevolent look here:

http://www.viewzone.com/lbj/lbj.head.jpg

http://www.viewzone.com/lbj/indexx.html

E Howard Hunt confession

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/04/who_killed_jfk_/

Documentary Evidence of Revision is a 9 hour long documentary series whose purpose is to present the publicly unavailable and even suppressed historical audio, video, and film recordings largely unseen by the American public relating to the assassination of the Kennedy brothers, the little known classified Black Ops actually used to intentionally create the massive war in Viet Nam, the CIA "mind control" programs and their involvement in the RFK assassination and the Jonestown massacre and other important truths of our post-modern time.

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Swanette

20th November 2013, 19:56

Here is another person that was around and involved with JFK's death:

"This year is the 50th anniversary of the John F Kennedy assassination. Bob Dobbs preempted this anniversary last year on Eben Rey’s Project Next by breaking his silence about his role in the coverup, who was behind the assassination and why the president was killed. "

http://ionandbob.blogspot.ca/

Delight

20th November 2013, 20:08

This just came up today.

John F. Kennedy's Vision of Peace
On the 50th anniversary of JFK's death, his nephew recalls the fallen president's attempts to halt the war machine

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/john-f-kennedys-vision-of-peace-20131120#ixzz2lDamR9ol

http://assets-s3.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/john-f-kennedys-vision-of-peace-20131120/1000x600/20131119-jfk-x600-1384884384.jpg

Selene

21st November 2013, 07:37

I find it “interesting” that the formal US presidential tribute to Kennedy’s 50th anniversary was not – as might otherwise be expected – a state tribute to an assassinated (by whatever cause) US president by all living former US presidents, but a tribute by the former Democratic presidents only. The Republicans were pointedly not invited. http://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/r14/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/1120/How-Obama-and-Clinton-paid-tribute-to-JFK-together

Could it be because the only living Republican ex-presidents are Bush 1 and 2? And that Bush 1 has been implicated in the assassination itself?

Interesting way for Obama and Clinton to signal a symbolic message, no? It’s the dog that didn’t bark. Another breadcrumb for researchers.

Cheers,

Selene

mountain_jim

21st November 2013, 15:15

another good article from Fetzer at VT today

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/11/19/the-jfk-war-whats-going-on-with-len-osanic-and-black-op-radio/

which references another concerning evidences for modified zapruder film

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/03/us-government-official-jfk-cover-up-film-fabrication/

cursichella1

21st November 2013, 18:21

Considering that now there is enough evidence of a cover-up, yet the MSM today continues to peddle the official b.s. story...wondering if these news outlets can be legally challenged or sued for perpetuating a lie...maybe along the lines of a claim of slander (on behalf of Oswald or JFK) or maybe for misleading (ya, right!) the public or something similar? It is painful to know that the general public is still lapping up what is being spoonfed to them on so many fronts...grrrr

Delight

21st November 2013, 23:13

What he says is still relevant. "I don't want to be calm...."

Jim Garrison's rebuttal to NBC 1967

On June 19th, 1967 NBC aired an hour long "analysis" of New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison's investigation titled, The JFK Conspiracy: The Case of Jim Garrison. While unnecessary to rehash Garrison's case here, in summary Garrison's investigation focused on three individuals: A former Eastern Airlines pilot and probable CIA asset, David Ferrie; ex-FBI man and private detective Guy Banister; and Managing Director of the International Trade Mart, Clay Shaw. Garrison believed all three were connected to American intelligence and had, at a minimum, conspired to set up Oswald as a potential patsy in the JFK assassination. Barely three months into his investigation, Garrison's main suspect, the forty-nine year old David Ferrie, died apparently of natural causes. Banister had also passed away in 1964 as a result of a heart attack. On March 1st, 1967 Garrison arrested the surviving member of this trio, the CIA connected Clay Shaw. By mid-March both the Grand Jury and a three-judge panel had ordered Shaw to trial.

Garrison's case was big news and predictably the news media swung into attack mode. None was more vicious or had more resources at their disposal than NBC. http://www.ctka.net/nbc_cia.html

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kirolak

22nd November 2013, 09:08

Are there any astrologers here? A radio programme I heard recently featured an Astrologer who maintained that all the elements of the assassination were reflected in the horoscope of JF Kennedy - including that he would die from violence from "a high place" (which the astrologer took to be the height of the building from which the shot was fired!) and that he was involved with some shady people. . .

mountain_jim

22nd November 2013, 14:05

Is it wrong to find entertainment watching the MSM straining so hard to maintain the party line on this?

For example, NBC News has an article

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/22/21564131-jfk-assassination-many-theories-but-no-real-evidence-of-a-conspiracy?lite

titled

JFK assassination: Many theories, but no 'real evidence' of a conspiracy

which of course contains the usual drivel to attempt keep the sheep in line, but in the comments, at least while they are still foolishly allowing them, NBC, the article, and it's believers are getting their asses handed to them.

I am sure this is going on all over the MSM internet, at least where commenting is still allowed.

bogeyman

22nd November 2013, 15:10

"On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.

When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy – the author of Profiles in Courage -signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency -money – without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. President Kennedy’s Executive Order 11110 [the full text is displayed further below] gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: “to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury.” This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury’s vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver bullion physically held there.

President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation."

http://www.rapidtrends.com/it-almost-became-money-united-states-notes-versus-federal-reserve-notes/

“Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders.”

– The Honorable Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1930s

1. The Fed is privately owned. Its shareholders are private banks. In fact, 100% of its shareholders are private banks. None of its stock is owned by the government.

2. The fact that the Fed does not get “appropriations” from Congress basically means that it gets its money from Congress without congressional approval, by engaging in “open market operations.”

3. The Fed generates profits for its shareholders.

Wright Patman, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1960s, to call the Federal Reserve “a total money-making machine.” He wrote:

“When the Federal Reserve writes a check for a government bond it does exactly what any bank does, it creates money, it created money purely and simply by writing a check.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-the-federal-reserve

The above give indications as to why JFK was considered a threat.

mountain_jim

22nd November 2013, 16:14

http://www.rense.com/general76/hunt.htm

Hunt's Deathbed Confession
Reveals JFK Killers
The Last Confession Of E. Howard Hunt -
US government/CIA team murdered JFK
By Larry Chin
Online Journal Associate Editor
4-4-7

The April 5 issue of Rolling Stone features the deathbed confession of CIA operative and key Bay of Pigs/Watergate/Nixon administration figure E. Howard Hunt, The Last Confession of E. Howard Hunt by Erik Hedegaard. This piece is significant not only for its exploration of Hunt, but for breakthrough information that appears to thoroughly corroborate the work of key John F. Kennedy assassination researchers and historians.

Who killed JFK?

According to Hunt's confession, which was taken by his son, St. John ("Saint") Hunt, over the course of many personal and carefully planned father-son meetings, the following individuals were among the key participants:

Lyndon B. Johnson: LBJ, whose own career was assisted by JFK nemesis J. Edgar Hoover (FBI), gave the orders to a CIA-led hit team, and helped guide the Warren Commission/lone gunman cover-up.

Cord Meyer: CIA agent, architect of the Operation Mockingbird disinformation apparatus, and husband of Mary Meyer (who had an affair with JFK).

David Atlee Philips: CIA and Bay of Pigs veteran. Recruited William Harvey (CIA) and Cuban exile militant Antonio Veciana.

William Harvey: CIA and Bay of Pigs veteran. Connected to Mafia figures Santos Trafficante and Sam Giancana.

Antonio Veciana: Cuban exile, founder of CIA-backed Alpha 66.

Frank Sturgis: CIA operative, mercenary, Bay of Pigs veteran, and later Watergate figure.

David Morales: CIA hit man, Bay of Pigs veteran. Morales was also a figure involved with the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy.

Lucien Sarti: Corsican assassin and drug trafficker, possible "French gunman," Grassy Knoll (second) shooter.

Would Hunt continue to tell lies on his deathbed? Perhaps. Would Hunt tell a final tall story or two, to protect himself, or perhaps deal one final slap in the face to the US government (which made him a fall guy for Watergate)? Yes. Would Hunt hide the involvement of certain individuals to whom he remained loyal, including people who are still alive? Certainly. Anything from an operative like Hunt can only be accepted with caution and healthy skepticism.

Nevertheless, Hunt's scenario has the ring of truth.

Each of the named names are well-known CIA and CIA-linked players exposed by many researchers and historians who have detailed the enduring connection from the Bay of Pigs and the Dallas hit to Watergate and Iran-Contra.

The Hunt confession vindicates generations of historians, researchers and whistleblowers who have given their lives and careers to expose the truth about Dealey Plaza. While there are too many to name, they include, but are not limited to (and in no particular order): Jim Garrison, Mark Lane, Fletcher Prouty, Josiah Thompson, Carl Oglesby, Peter Dale Scott, Anthony Summers, Robert Groden, Victor Marchetti, David Lifton, Harrison Livingstone, Michael Canfield, A.J. Weberman, Sylvia Meagher, William Turner, Jim Marrs, Pete Brewton, John Newman, Philip Melanson, Hal Verb, Mae Brussell, Harold Weisberg, Oliver Stone, Mike Ruppert and Dan Hopsicker, Jim diEugenio and Linda Pease.

Meanwhile, the criminal deceptions of the US government and its corporate media, the Warren Commission, and the dirty work of cover-up specialists such as Gerald Posner and Mark Fuhrman, and the legions of JFK assassination revisionist/theorists, deserve a final rebuke, and eternal scorn.

Highlighting Hunt's role

Although the Rolling Stone piece does not address it, the Hunt confession directly corroborates two classic investigations that previously exposed the role of Hunt. They are Mark Lane's Plausible Denial and Michael Canfield/A.J. Weberman's Coup D'Etat in America. Lane's book details how he took Hunt to court, and won a libel suit, essentially proving that the CIA murdered JFK, and that Hunt lied about his whereabouts. The investigation of Canfield and Weberman identified Hunt and Frank Sturgis as two of the three "tramps" arrested at Dealey Plaza.

Time has only made these investigations more relevant. More than ever, their books, and those of the JFK historians and researchers above listed, deserve to be found, read and studied.

Hunt to Nixon to Bush

The Rolling Stone piece fails to go after the roles of Richard Nixon and George Herbert Walker Bush. But the Hunt confession, if accurate, leads directly to them, to their lifelong associates, and all the way to the present George W. Bush administration.

The Dallas-Watergate-Iran-Contra connection has been thoroughly documented by the key JFK researchers, and in particular, in the work of Peter Dale Scott, one of the very first to show the deep political continuity across three decades. Daniel Hopsicker's Barry and the Boys goes into even more detail on the players.

Consider the career of George H.W. Bush. He was a Texas oilman (Zapata Oil) and a CIA operative, involved with the Bay of Pigs. Bush's name was found in the papers of George DeMohrenschildt, one of Lee Harvey Oswald's CIA handlers. As documented by Pete Brewton, author of The Mafia, the CIA and George Bush, Bush was deeply connected with a small circle of Texas elites tied to the CIA and the Mafia, as well as the Florida-based CIA/anti-Casto Cuban exile/ Mafia milieu As Richard Nixon's hand-picked Republican National Committee chairman, and later as CIA director, Bush constantly covered-up and stonewalled for his boss about Watergate, which itself (by the admission of Frank Sturgis and others) was a cover-up of the JFK assassination.

Tracking any of the individual CIA operatives involved with the Bay of Pigs, it is impossible to ignore or deny direct connections to George H.W. Bush and his crime family, across the Kennedy assassinations, covert operations in Indochina and, later, Latin America.

Beyond any reasonable doubt, the US government murdered John F. Kennedy. There are people still alive today who were involved directly and indirectly implicated. Some are probably even serving in positions of high influence. Some still have never been identified or touched.

All of these individuals still need to be pursued, exposed, and brought to justice.

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Hunt's Deathbed Confession
Hunt's JFK Murder Confession Ignored By Establishment Media
John Hankey
5-4-7

E. Howard Hunt's taped deathbed "confession" is not new news. In the days after Hunt died there were several articles covering the same material. Hunt is a profound liar of the highest rank. He planted forged memos in the National Archives blaming JFK for the Diem assassination, for example. The lies he told on the stand, under oath, in his slander trail (described by Mark Lane) are monuments to filth-as-truth. I consider his "confession" as perhaps the strongest evidence that Johnson was not involved in JFK's murder (though it seems, given his connections, that he may have been aware of the threat in general terms - but so were the FBI and Secret Service, in specific terms). Hunt gives us Sturgis and some other credible information merely as bait for that poisonous hook that Johnson was to blame. Given that, and the content of his "confession", I think Hunt should be seriously considered a likely candidate as one of the two grassy knoll gunmen: the one who delivered the final, fail-safe head shot, at the last possible moment, when it became clear that the mafia and Cuban gunmen in the rear, and also on the knoll, had failed. (James Files' description of events on the knoll clearly indicate that if he was actually there, as he claims, that he fired the throat shot, with stunning incompetence. Files also names Sturgis - so there is really nothing new in Hunt's tape)
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I don't understand how could any reputable article could ignore all the evidence connecting Hunt to Bush? This evidence is collected in my DVD, JFK II, but it comes from well known and original sources like Mark Lane's Plausible Denial, and Webster Tarpley's Unauthorized Biography of George Bush (and from Hunt's own mouth). I don't get this at all. The Hoover memo, ignored? The memo naming George Bush as a CIA agent, and simultaneously and explicitly connecting him to both the assassination, and to the "misguided anti-Castro groups" of which Hunt was the well-known supervisor, ignored?
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Instead the article offers us photographs claiming to be of Bush in front of the Depository. They are not at all persuasive, to my eyes. They don't look much like Bush, and certainly they could be thousands of other tall, thin, balding men. The article also raises the lame allegation that Hunt was one of the bums arrested in the train yard and photographed as they were led to the police station. There are much better pictures showing very clearly that it was Chauncey Holt, not Hunt, who was the bum in question.
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I am embarrassed that Alex Jones, who does such essential work, and to whom I am very grateful, and to whom I always refer people, would post such stuff. The stealing of Kennedy's body, the control of the autopsy, and the monumental cover-up in the papers were NONE OF THEM Texas operations. The Secret Service standown was not a Texas operation. The CIA serves the Rockefellers, not Texas Oil. Period. As do the Bushes. This was a northeastern elite operation, not a Texas operation. Overwhelming evidence shows that. But if you perpetrate a crime as large as JFK's murder, you have to have a fall guy. Oswald is the fall guy for the inattentive and uninitiated. Johnson is the fall guy for the more sophisticated and experienced.
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Bush and the CIA killed Kennedy for the Rockefellers. And they had done considerable work setting Oswald up to appear as a Castro operative. Oswalds staged attempts to appear to be a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee are well known. Less well known is that Dulles and the rest had the lists drawn up for the massive round-up of all members of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, a real organization with numerous, serious and honest members who wanted to stop CIA sponsored terrorism against Cuba. Johnson was presented with the following dilemma by the Rockefeller clique: "if you don't tell the world that Oswald acted alone, we'll show that he was killed by Castro's agents, we'll use our control of the media to demand an invasion, and we'll have war with the Soviets in no time." Certainly that was the argument made by Johnson to Earl Warren (i.e. that the Rockefellers were planning to provoke World War III if Oswald was not depicted as acting alone).
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The icing on the cake is HR Haldeman's book, I think it's the Haldeman Diaries but it might be Ends of Power*. He describes how Nixon called Johnson during Watergate and told him, "call off your dogs, or I'll tell about how you tapped my phone in '68 during the election." Johnson replied, "If you tell that, I'll tell...." The end of that sentence was the only part of all of Haldeman's books that was censored on the basis of "national security." Of course he was talking about the Kennedy assassination. No other answer will serve. 10 days later Johnson was dead. But how could Johnson threaten to tell about Nixon's involvement if HE, Johnson, were involved?
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Much more important than Hunt's calculated attempts to poison the historical well from the grave are recent revelations that all members of the House Assassinations Committee expressed an interest to pursue the anti-Castro Cuban connection. Why? The answer is found in the heart of Lane's Plausible Denial. The Committee came into possession of a memo between Richard Helms, head of CIA, and Jesus Angleton, his #2, discussing what course to follow when the Committee learned of Hunt's presence in Dallas, and his involvement in the assassination. The Committee, in closed session, doubtless saw far more evidence than just this memo, showing the connection of the anti-Castro CIA terrorists, of whom Hunt was a front-line supervisor, and the Kennedy assassination. They also heard testimony from Marita Lorenz, for example. But Colby, the CIA chief who doubtless provided the memo, was fired for being too-cooperative, and was replaced by George HW Bush. The Committee's investigation was shut down abruptly. But some member of the staff leaked the memo to the press, with the predictable result that only two small papers had the guts to publish it. Spotlight Magazine was one. All praise and glory etc.

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22nd November 2013, 21:21

Delight

23rd November 2013, 04:48

Judyth Vary Baker was alledgedly Lee Oswald's (She says he never used the middle name Harvey) girlfriend after a "chance" meeting at the post office in New Orleans in Spring of 1963.

http://www.federaljack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/JVB.jpg

She is in this episode of the Men Who Killed Kennedy.

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She came forward a few years ago to refute the image of her friend as a crazed lone assassin. The picture painted by her evidence is that Lee Oswald was a highly trained and skilled US spy. It is possible that he was involved in a team to kill Castro with a cancer inducing virus. It appears from the eery story she tells that he was possibly assigned to Judyth Vary Baker when she was sent to NO to work on the bio weapon.

She first decided to tell her story some 38 years after the JFK assassination, claiming she had kept silent out of fear for retaliation from the conspirators, who she says threathened to kill her if she talked. She interpreted the list of witnesses, who died mysteriously over the years, as a tacit justification for her fears. However, after seeing the movie JFK of Oliver Stone, who claimed silent witnesses were cowardeous, Judyth says she mustered the courage to come forward. Judyth's story is generally painted as controversial. She has many supporters as well as disbelievers. Among her supporters are author Edward Haslam, journalist/writer Jim Marrs, british TV producer Nigel Turner, Retired U.S. Army Green Beret Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Marvin (author of Expendable Elite - One Soldier's Journey Into Covert Warfare) and dutch JFK assassination researcher Wim Dankbaar. A few of her staunchest disbelievers are Debra Conway of the JFKlancer.com website and JFK assassination researcher John McAdams, who some researchers claim to be a disinformation asset for the CIA. Today Judyth's goal is to exonerate Lee Harvey Oswald from the charge that he was the assassin of John F. Kennedy. http://jfkmurdersolved.com/judyth.htm

Here is link to an article by Jim Fetzer from 2010 14 Reasons to Believe in Judyth Vary Baker http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010/03/14-reasons-to-believe-in-judyth-vary.html

Jesse Ventura refers to her in a recent Inforwars interview about his book on the Assassination.

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She was interviewed by ATS and the show will be aired Monday 11/25.
ATS's Out Of The Box radio show will be airing this upcoming Monday, November 25th, at the following times: Monday 10 pm GMT (UK), 11 pm CET (Europe
Monday 10 pm EST, 9 pm CST, 8 pm MST, 7 pm PST (North America)
Tuesday 10 pm AEST (Australia)
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread983664/pg1

This story has implications concerning the weaponizing of cancer inducing agents

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Delight

23rd November 2013, 05:44

Lee Oswald has been painted as a monstrous villain and if he was NOT the shooter, he is as much a victim as Kennedy.

I found these two interviews from 2011

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More indepth on Judyth Vary Baker's understanding of cancer

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Delight

23rd November 2013, 19:08

This is Anna Lewis, a witness who describes her observations of Lee Harvey Oswald and corroborates that he and Judyth Vary Baker were a couple. Her description of LHO was aquiet but "in charge" kind of man. She did not particularly like him but doubts he would have been an assassination. She and her husband were involved in discussions of assassination of Castro. At the time Anna thought it was a joke. She and her husband knew many of the players involved including Jack Ruby, David Farrie and others. She thinks LHO was just a patsy, set up to take the fall for others.

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His wife and daughters no longer accept the story and want the investigation reopened.

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Delight

23rd November 2013, 23:02

Joseph p. Farrell, "A Coalescence of Interests"
A Conspiracy that was connected to the deep parapolitical power structure that Kennedy was threatening
The reason that so many different researchers have so many different plausible stories.

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SilentFeathers

24th November 2013, 00:02

Just think in 25 more years they'll release/unseal the records and then people will spend another 75 years wondering what the words marked out with a black sharpy were....

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24th November 2013, 00:28

The radio microphones were present at a Boston Symphony Orchestra concert at an extraordinary moment in American history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVNKNz-lc6k
On November 22, 1963, conductor Erich Leinsdorf was leading the regular Friday afternoon BSO concert at Symphony Hall. Before the program began, it had been reported across the nation that president John F. Kennedy had been shot by a sniper while riding in a motorcade in Dallas. It was known, too, that his injuries were serious, but that was all the information that was available.

During the first half of the concert, what was feared became confirmed: Kennedy's wounds were fatal. Monitoring news reports backstage at Symphony Hall, orchestra officials determined to continue the concert, but with a change in the program. Librarians pulled orchestral parts to Beethoven's "Eroica" funeral march from the shelves and brought them down to the stage door. After learning of the tragedy himself backstage, Leinsdorf walked back onstage, relayed word to the audience, and led the BSO in a work in tribute to the nation's fallen leader.

Delight

24th November 2013, 19:32

This was the event that started me being suspicious and likely to doubt everything anyone said to me. One more discussion that ties several threads together. I think I am about complete with this topic. It was helpful to look back at the story. How people could ever think this was just a lone crazed gunman? I feel a great deal of empathy for all the murdered caught in the crossfire...including Camelot's US(All)

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mountain_jim

25th November 2013, 19:32

Lets see if this goes anywhere...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2512339/Will-footage-second-shooter-prove-Lee-Harvey-Oswald-did-NOT-act-JFK-shooting.html

Will 'long-hidden footage of second shooter' to be aired this week prove Lee Harvey Oswald did NOT act alone?

Texas real-estate developer Stephen Bowen claims to have footage of JFK's assassination
He says he footage was taken by a Houston news producer on November 22, 1963
The tape reportedly depicts a second shooter hiding in the bushes along the route of JFK's motorcade

Bowen is hoping to sell the footage to the highest bidder

By Alex Greig

PUBLISHED:10:26 EST, 23 November 2013| UPDATED: 11:13 EST, 23 November 2013

A Texas real-estate developer is in possession of footage of John F. Kennedy's motorcade from that fateful day in Dallas that he believes supports the theory that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone.

Whether or not the footage is genuine isn't yet known, but if it is, it would represent a dramatic development in a story 50 years in the making.

Following the 50th anniversary of the death of JFK, Stephen Bowen, who is also a principal in small film production company, decided the time was right to sell the footage, which reportedly depicts a second shooter, to the highest bidder.

According to The Wrap, Bowen acquired the film from a Houston television news producer, who had held onto it secretly for more than 40 years.

While no one has yet viewed the footage, it's said to show a second shooter hiding in the bushes along the route the presidential motorcade took on 22 November, 1963.

'You can see a guy in the bushes with a gun,' the source told The Wrap.

It also reportedly contains lost and damaged frames from the famous footage made by Abraham Zapruder and sold to Time in 1963.

Delight

29th December 2014, 15:33

Curious77

3rd January 2015, 07:45

Delight--

Thank you for your posts --
I've been reading your links re Mary Meyer as it's a subject I've also been following.
In some frustration, one of the links (could also have been off your post on E. Howard Hunt's
Confession which I also read?) lead to information about Ben Bradlee and his involvement
with CIA. I've had trouble finding that again, but I will go over all of those links again
tomorrow.

Was also grateful for the "Men Who Killed Kennedy" series as I believed it was a huge assist in helping Americans understand what had happened here on 11/22/63.

Europeans always seemed to have known from the very beginning -- but here we had a great
deal of suppression of information, including by our press which has helped the lies live on.

Europeans said long ago ...
"American liberals have an odd way of being assassinated or otherwise eliminated from the
political arena."

of course this was not only a coup on JFK, it was a coup on our "people's
government."

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KiwiElf

5th January 2015, 10:27

Zapruder frame 343: New proof of blowout at back of JFK’s head

Posted by Jim Fetzer on January 4, 2015

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/04/zapruder-frame-343-new-proof-of-blowout-at-back-of-jfks-head/

Larry Rivera has discovered that those assigned to clean up the Zapruder film missed frame 343, where Jackie's glove provides a background against which the defect's outline becomes visible

From Parkland Hospital, the Bethesda autopsy report, and the HSCA Final Report

Who had it right: Parkland (1963), Bethesda (1964) or the HSCA (1979)?
By Jim Fetzer and Larry Rivera

Among the controversial aspects of the assassination of JFK has been the character and dimensions of the wound he sustained at the back (the back/top or the top) of his head. Physician after physician at Parkland Hospital, where his body was taken, reported that he had a blow-out at the back and right side of his head, which was the size of your fist when you double it up. Even Clint Hill, the Secret Service agent who rushed forward to protect Jackie during the shooting, reported observing “a fist-sized blow out” when he lay across their bodies in the back seat of the Lincoln limousine, where even a book about the Secret Service “on the job” in Dallas reports it:

More at link

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8th January 2015, 20:14