Living with the brainwashed

[seleka]

As I wrote the title, I realized I am still part of the 'brainwashed' since I am lamenting. Surely if I were above it, and 'enlightened' I would have answers or directions at least.... anyway I wrote this down and couldn't find the 'right' thread for it. If there is one, steer me please....

If you live with those that refuse to see the truth, you know the feeling- the proverbial beating your head against a wall. For instance, what kind of sick mind makes a movie about poor children having to kill each other for the amusement of the wealthy and then markets it to children? And who cannot see that for the conditioning it is? And why not, when I so clearly can?

I can show papers, documents, youtube videos about 911(or any other truth exposed fully)... and it is the same- I am a 'conspiracy theorist'. What does this mean to the reality that I am experiencing as this physical reality? If I were to go amongst the others that think the same, would I be risen up in a cloud of light like a Meatloaf video? Would we be living in villages and the outside world would cease to be the way it is because we 'changed' 'reality'?

I often think of the closing of the book 100 Years of Solitude. My favorite teacher told me to read it in high school, so I did. If you haven't read it yet, don't bother, it is extremely depressing and confusing IMO. But the thing of it is... at the end, when he is reading the prohecies and realizes they are happening as it is being read...

So to stop perpetuating the reality with the Archons, lizzies, satan worshipping bestiality loving pedophiles that drink blood and eat babies... we have to stop talking about it? That is really what it seems like, but then others say pretending it doesn't exist won't work... besides none of us can actually unknow what we know. So if we stay here amongst the ones that do not believe, will we then experience that closed minded reality that perpetuates the slavery? I know ultimately it does not matter, so I am not afraid. I do however feel anger and impatience far too much because I am living amongst the brainwashed.

If the computer is going to reset on the 21st (november thread) or whenever... ala Matrix perception of reality... how would we even know? Frankly, I believe there is some serious 'end of life' programming, because I am super tired of this prison reality. I stay in bed all the time. I feel very little joy. I am caught between wanting to live the way it is described in the Anastasia books, but I am too old to do all that work myself... and the person that lives here now will not let me plant any trees or bushes or help me make any free energy devices or anything.... complains about money and you show them plans and a video for how to make a heater that is nearly free... and they scoff because it is not the way its done or whatever.... the anger I have been feeling is even more than usual....

I am lucky to have a place to live and food to eat I know... but it seems a heavy price to pay. is there a soapbox icon? :soap::soapbox:

[Robin]

Your description says that you are 43 years old. This is not old. We all age...but instead of lamenting about getting older, you should dwell on all the wisdom you have accumulated.
People will wake up when they are ready. It is so unbelievably frustrating, I know, but everybody is following their own life path that they chose before coming into this lifetime. Their mission is their own and if they are going to be hit hard from their ignorance, then they will get a very tough, but valuable lesson.
My parents think that I am on drugs for trying to tell them about our reality. Though I am upset, I realize that they still play an important role in my life in that their ignorance has driven me to move far far away so I can continue on my own mission.
The wisdom of Gandalf, from the Lord of the Rings. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxQgiTY-0LQ)
The wisdom of Samwise Gamgee from the Lord of the Rings. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xDD7egEN2k)


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[Bob]

Very good Post Karika

I found this link to have some great points - "http://www.pickthebrain.com/blog/how-to-effectively-change-someones-mind/"

from that page:

"Debunk their arguments one by one and in the same order: The mistake lots of people make while trying to convince others is that they focus on the main point without understanding that if they managed to get rid of many arguments the other person gave the way to convince him will be opened. Don’t try and bring the castle down all in one, chip away, soldier by soldier until you start to make a big dent."

ref: http://panicdisorder.about.com/od/understandingpanic/a/IrrationalBelie.htm

"Changing Irrational Beliefs

"Before we can change our irrational beliefs, we first have to discover what they are. Detecting irrational beliefs is not an easy task because they have been internalized. In order to dispute and change irrational beliefs, we must journey through a process of detecting and debating."

[AxisMundi]

I hear you but at the same time we live in a free will Universe and people's choice (even if that's to be screwed over and over again) has to come above all else. I spent years trying to wake people up and was dumbfounded firstly at the majority's inability to see there was a problem, and secondly at the apathy and nonchalance of those who acknowledged that yes indeed things like 911 were a lie and that a cabal of crooks are running the show but just went back to living life as normal.

I question these days whether it's in everyone's nature to actually 'wake up' or if many are even capable. There's so much conditioning on so many levels......Religious, Cultural, Scientific etc that I sometimes wonder how any of us have managed to do so. All this coupled with the fact that most of our physical selves are so battered from eating rubbish since childhood, living in toxic electromagnetic soup etc makes me think it's a miracle that forums like this even exist. Then there's the brute financial issue which dictates that half the planet is forced to get by on $2 a day or less and those lives are consumed with just having enough energy to work and feed themselves and their kids.

Believing in reincarnation as I do, I think this planet provides a huge range of experiences which are rooted in karmic lessons. Whilst we unsurprisingly sometimes only see darkness and can come to the end of our tether, knowing what we do I have the feeling that many 'awakened' beings at this time are very old souls who have taken on the responsibility of witnessing the truth of our imprisonment and perilous situation here. This small percentage of people are perhaps 'holding the balance' of this darkness within their consciousness and transmuting it somehow. It's certainly evident that a great many hidden things are currently coming to light on the planet and that there is indeed a gargantuan cosmic battle between the forces of light (information) and darkness. Perhaps for the many of the masses it really is the case that they're here as 'young souls' and are simply busy getting on with their part of the learning curve, exploring many lessons about what it is to be human in terms of friendship, relationships, love, loss and all the dynamics between these and other human experiences. I'm obviously simplifying things here but I certainly think this is part of what's going on.

Also, if we imagine that these are the darkest days before some kind of 'planetary leap' then this would be karmically a time when all debts must be repaid. As my friend said to me recently, this age, and particularly the last decade seem to be a time when people are literally getting the karma ripped out of them, many debts being settled within a very short time frame. God knows I've experienced this myself! So, it's a tough class at the moment for sure but hang on in there my friend, life is a cycle and it's always darkest before Dawn. Having said that, nobody's going to save us and whilst it may seem an impossible task at times, we're really are going to have to work towards making our own sunrise........

[seleka]

I no longer have the patience to try to convince. One day I saw a flash....One morning we were outside with very clear blue skies. Around 10, I noticed the chemtrails adding up. I said look at the chemtrails now... and they said 'its just the exhaust from the planes'. I had a moment of clarity when I realized the thing to ask, "hey, what time do flights start up at the airport.... so if its exhaust, it would be visible from the time the planes start till they stop... for a moment, there was a spark.... but talk about lizzies or satan worshippers being in control... and they look at you like you have another head... and part of it is that the person believes if they just don't know about it, it will not be true.... maybe this is a metaphysical question everyone reaches and I am not wording it well enough. Somehow it is related to the old adage about the tree falling in the woods....

[Delight]

If the computer is going to reset on the 21st (november thread) or whenever... ala Matrix perception of reality... how would we even know? Frankly, I believe there is some serious 'end of life' programming, because I am super tired of this prison reality. I stay in bed all the time. I feel very little joy. I am caught between wanting to live the way it is described in the Anastasia books, but I am too old to do all that work myself... and the person that lives here now will not let me plant any trees or bushes or help me make any free energy devices or anything.... complains about money and you show them plans and a video for how to make a heater that is nearly free... and they scoff because it is not the way its done or whatever.... the anger I have been feeling is even more than usual....

We have this conundrum in common but I am certain this is just a stage. It is just a matter of building confidence. I relate completely to the "programming" of limitation. It is so very pervasive, sticky, sneaky. In the last couple of years, I have been clearing as much as possible because I keep feeling constriction.

I love an open fan where age and present circumstance have no equals sign leading to a preordained effect. Looking back, I know that I have changed from past beliefs. Now, I am clapping for my own success at manifestation. Hey! look at what I have created already. It will only get better because I am creating THIS and can only become more skilled in the process!

I spend my energy seeking out messages that confirm what feels TRUE (like The Ringing Ceders messages or Abraham and others) and it has shown results.
Example, recently after I asked a thrift store shopping friend to scout king sized dog "comforters" that would be less than $20.00, my brother sent me two boxes that were my Mom's various comforters and blankets (without asking him).

My words are very powerful and I just did not ask for enough. Now I ask out loud, feeling as I ask it what I will feel when I already hold it. It has worked before, so is just me needing the lag time. Allowing EVERYTHING that I did not real eyes I could have is at stake. Practice makes easier, faster, more definite. It seems certain that the brainwash cannot stop the one's who disagree. To disagree means we are full of another preferred "state" and that is what counts.

My present faith is that we can challenge by our Audacious (how dare you go that far), Irreverent (how dare you contradict the orthodox) and "Pie in the Sky" (how dare you be that dreamy) focus if we let ourselves. I clap for you too!!

This is my truth and so there brain washers!

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[Limor Wolf]

I sympathise with you, Karika, I really do.

In regrds to what been said here about respecting people's 'free will' to chose their path, this is something worth considering, Is it really the case? I wouldn't like to drag this conversation too far from the original poster's intentions, but I think we can also advocate for the benefit of the people.

Free will.. does it really exist? there is a heavy supression on this planet, a heavy programming that has nothing to do with free will, however we may chose to look at it. First, there is this amnesia, then an abundance of conditioning and mind playing, and yes, human beings are great little cooperators, sucking into the game, buying whatever is sold to them, but there is also a very strong manipulation involved which, I believe, would get every defendant in court acquitted.

First, freedom of information is needed. Allow the people to know that A) - There is no death, we are souls inahbiting a body, and we reincarnate. Also allow the people to remember at least some of their past lives (of course that requires the body to be wired quite differently, but we were genetically intervened with as it is and therefore became limited) B) - lay everything in regards to Energy on the table - the physics of frequency, vibrations and sound need to be understood.

Then and only then, when individuals can chose where their heart leads them and what lessons they would like to try and persue, taken consciously down here, with no amnesia. Then the title free will may be considered more apt.

Everything is organised in a very specific and inteligent way in the grand multiverse and there is probably a reason why people chose the way they chose this time.

There is a great inteligence in the Universe, the question is, is there a great compassion as well?

[Aquarius Rising]

As I wrote the title, I realized I am still part of the 'brainwashed' since I am lamenting. Surely if I were above it, and 'enlightened' I would have answers or directions at least.... anyway I wrote this down and couldn't find the 'right' thread for it. If there is one, steer me please....

If you live with those that refuse to see the truth, you know the feeling- the proverbial beating your head against a wall. For instance, what kind of sick mind makes a movie about poor children having to kill each other for the amusement of the wealthy and then markets it to children? And who cannot see that for the conditioning it is? And why not, when I so clearly can?

I can show papers, documents, youtube videos about 911(or any other truth exposed fully)... and it is the same- I am a 'conspiracy theorist'. What does this mean to the reality that I am experiencing as this physical reality? If I were to go amongst the others that think the same, would I be risen up in a cloud of light like a Meatloaf video? Would we be living in villages and the outside world would cease to be the way it is because we 'changed' 'reality'?

I often think of the closing of the book 100 Years of Solitude. My favorite teacher told me to read it in high school, so I did. If you haven't read it yet, don't bother, it is extremely depressing and confusing IMO. But the thing of it is... at the end, when he is reading the prohecies and realizes they are happening as it is being read...

So to stop perpetuating the reality with the Archons, lizzies, satan worshipping bestiality loving pedophiles that drink blood and eat babies... we have to stop talking about it? That is really what it seems like, but then others say pretending it doesn't exist won't work... besides none of us can actually unknow what we know. So if we stay here amongst the ones that do not believe, will we then experience that closed minded reality that perpetuates the slavery? I know ultimately it does not matter, so I am not afraid. I do however feel anger and impatience far too much because I am living amongst the brainwashed.

If the computer is going to reset on the 21st (november thread) or whenever... ala Matrix perception of reality... how would we even know? Frankly, I believe there is some serious 'end of life' programming, because I am super tired of this prison reality. I stay in bed all the time. I feel very little joy. I am caught between wanting to live the way it is described in the Anastasia books, but I am too old to do all that work myself... and the person that lives here now will not let me plant any trees or bushes or help me make any free energy devices or anything.... complains about money and you show them plans and a video for how to make a heater that is nearly free... and they scoff because it is not the way its done or whatever.... the anger I have been feeling is even more than usual....

I am lucky to have a place to live and food to eat I know... but it seems a heavy price to pay. is there a soapbox icon? :soap::soapbox:

Thank you karika,

I often 'feel' great disappointment which aligns directly with what you have written. I believe that, in a sense, life alone has been lost by the cruel, intentional 'group-think' systems built into society. Sometimes I wonder if the 'machine' is a zombie that feeds on idiocy. Even if hope is merely a dream, I cling to it tightly---But sometimes doubt is eminent. Time seems to run out, and as it does many windows of opportunity forever slam shut.

Peace to you~

AR

[Craig]

Hey Karika,

As a fellow brainwashed person to another, I know what you mean, I will also raise on it and say that I also still being brainwashed also appear to have added amnesia, I can spend hours on this site and others similar in nature reading and learning and then later in the day be back with others reading about the next new gadget, car, process, system and be none the wiser as if a shutter has been pulled and I go salivating off when i hear the imaginary bell ring....

Then back here on this site I get the guilts for not knowing better or practising what I should believe, but also some of the replies before mine to contain some great nuggets of wisdom that appeal to me now, just a shame that in a few hours time I will be assimilated back into the system, I not proud of that now, and in a few hours time indifferent to it, but I realise it is not my position to change the minds of others, when I do mention something to illicit a response on something from a loved one whether on 9/11, UFO's the elite etc I can never back up what I say, I get mentally tongued tied and can't follow through.

As another example AxisMundi mentions reincarnation which I believe to be true, but that depresses me cause I don't want to come back again, I have major troubles with coming back and starting afresh with no prior knowledge, in a system rigged such as this, I can't see a way out, it has to change, but how?

Delight has more pearls of wisdom, I have read the ringing cedars and loved it, now it is a distant echo and feels like think i have read it, I feel guilty when I ask for something because I see it as a selfish request when others are doing far more on far less.

Limor as usual bangs the nail on the head, free will - what is it? I don't know enough to answer but if I have to get up every morning to go to work to earn $$ to pay bills and to stay alive doesn't sound like free will, but compared to many others on the planet I am blessed and try to make sure to the universe that I am blessed and to provide thanks, but does anything listen?

Samwise and Bobd provide useful info as well - I wanted to try and add my 2c worth but rereading my entry but instead I have merely echoed what you have written and 100% agreed!

We are either playing the game too well or not well enough, I haven't worked out which one just yet, but I do need to change. I just wished I had the courage and commitment to do so, but perhaps I am where I am meant to be for now?

Good luck on your travels Karika I hope they are well.

[markpierre]

I no longer have the patience to try to convince. One day I saw a flash....One morning we were outside with very clear blue skies. Around 10, I noticed the chemtrails adding up. I said look at the chemtrails now... and they said 'its just the exhaust from the planes'. I had a moment of clarity when I realized the thing to ask, "hey, what time do flights start up at the airport.... so if its exhaust, it would be visible from the time the planes start till they stop... for a moment, there was a spark.... but talk about lizzies or satan worshippers being in control... and they look at you like you have another head... and part of it is that the person believes if they just don't know about it, it will not be true.... maybe this is a metaphysical question everyone reaches and I am not wording it well enough. Somehow it is related to the old adage about the tree falling in the woods....

Stay with things that are visible, if you do feel compelled to point things out.
The metaphysical answer by the way is; it isn't the lizzies or the Satan worshipers who are in charge. You're in charge.

[Milneman]

Hey Karika,

Every day I wake up. I go downstairs, and I take my little dog out for a walk down the street, down an alley past a bunch of houses that were built in the early 1970's: flat roof, large bay windows, very reminiscent of Eames and Frank Lloyd Wright. Most of the people in the neighbourhood look at them as part of the treasures in our city. Very recently, as in the last year, someone bought one of these houses. They've demolished it, and in its place is a 6-car garaged 4 story monster that fills the lot from end to end.

They don't get it.

After I walk the dog, I check here, check my e-mail, and I go out to work. I'm a cleaner, so I work nights but the thing is...nobody notices you. So I get to watch, and listen, to exactly what you're talking about. If I have to go out and shop, or interact with people, I get to face that. It's at the point now that I can feel it before I know it's there. It's like waking up and walking through a forest fire 40 miles away...you can't see the fire, but there's smoke everywhere...and people have got so used to it they forget there's smoke...but you know the fire is coming.

When you wake up, there is immeasurable joy because you have the freedom that comes with truth, truth that lights you up on the inside and shines out. But the price is that we have to leave behind a lot of people who won't, or can't come with us. And yes...that hurts a lot...and it's lonely.

Every time I get feeling sad, or like I'm at my wits end, I just try and think about what it was like before I took the red pill (or is it the blue pill?)....yeah it was easier in a lot of ways, but I'll never look back. You won't either, will you?

It gets better. You start to see things through the cracks everyone else is missing that are actually beautiful. And hopeful. It's a tough place you're in, but it gets better.

Welcome to Avalon. :O)

[Libico]

I think the majority of us have been in your situation and the desire the share your knowledge/"enlighten" them with new knowledge can be overwhelming. When I first began to ask questions I soaked in information like a sponge - every new topic produced five more branches I could delve into deeper, and it never stopped. It took me some time to strike a healthy balance of preaching and letting things be - as others have mentioned on this thread it's really up to the individual and they might not be ready to even consider information that could shatter their paradigm. Try to relate to how you were before you started to ask questions and empathize with them, as you were likely once exactly like them. For me personally, 5 years ago if someone mentioned 9/11 being an inside job I'd label them as crazy or bored or any other of 100 labels and instantly dismiss them.. throw in the word Zionist plot and the walls would come up and I'd categorize it as anti-Semitic nonsense (I grew up in NY, now live in Israel) - I couldn't even consider the information as it would put into question my view of the world and I wasn't at a stage where I could question my identity at the time. It took a lot of self-reflecting for me to reach the point where I could start to question things, and with all the difficulties and distractions we are bombarded with on a daily basis I think people are physically and emotionally exhausted - too much so to really open up and invest in starting to question. I do see change is coming and believe that as a species we are starting to wake up, but it is a slow process.

You mentioned chemtrails, 9/11, and other stuff I generally associate with Icke (who I think gives great information) - what kind of spiritual interest do you have? Speaking from my experience, I've had periods where I dove very heavily into this kind of information and found it didn't have such a positive effect on me - people close to me started commenting on it and it did make me take a step back and focus more on the positive.. it could be that you are overwhelmed by this information and would be better off taking a break and reading some information of a more positive nature. One author I can recommend is Michael Newton - I read his book Journey of Souls (free PDF available - just google) and found it rather upliftng and added another dimension to my personal experiences.

Every now and then a thread like this pops up (I remember creating one awhile back) - the best advice I can give you is to gently plant seeds with people you meet, but don't go off an rant (as difficult as that may be) as you will likely be greeted with the glazed-over look for your efforts. Less is more in this case, and you might be surprised how they might come back at a later time and ask you about a conspiracy-esque topic. Above all, try not to get frustrated and let this affect you negatively, consider yourself fortunate to have reached this level of awareness.

[seleka]

I am the OP. I am sure I have not worded things well. This is not a thread about waking people up. I went through that phase in 2004, 2006-2008, a little during occupy to the newcomers that hadn't yet discovered the prison, 2012 and early 2013 (after I found out all about the music industry, satanists and pedophiles, the last bit of the puzzle I learned, mk ultra...). The period of waking others is pretty well done now I think. We are the wayshowers, and now we see our way. I have been sitting here trying to write out what I mean and the results are not something I can post yet. I just needed to jump in and say this is not a thread about waking them up. It is about can we continue to live amongst them? That is the direction.... will they seem to 'die' to us and we move to a higher frequency? Some hear some truth and fall back asleep constantly as an above poster mentions... the one that lives here says that it is better if he just doesn't know (not my romantic partner but wants to be).... the whole "what you don't know can't hurt you" thing..... but it is like I am saying, "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there, does it make a sound?" Surely pretending these things aren't happening can't be the path to freedom? Can I stay here and pretend to be a cog since I know none of it is real anyway, for "the sake of the children" or can I live with myself if I just hightail it on out of here, leaving him utterly alone? Is it possible to create a new reality and bring an unconscious into it? how? tell me like I am 3. So far my manifestations have involved a blouse at a store and a certain tv channel being free this month (science channel). We asked to see the show 'how its made' and 2 days later a free preview showed up....I am getting too convoluted again. Try more later. Love you guys!

[Eram]

Hi Karika,

As far I've been able to observe in myself there are two aspects of this story that cause friction.

1. There is the waking up part, where we start to find out that the world we live in is not the projection that we are spoon fed with though our upbringing, education, news, religion, politics etc.
2. There is the need to belong to a group and to be accepted.

At the moment that we start understand that there is much more to life then to work, pray to a fantasy of god, be obedient to authority and consume as much as possible, we set out to investigate other options of interpreting reality and we soon come to some conclusions that lead us away from the common accepted interpretations.
Now all of a sudden we see that it becomes harder and harder to hold on to our new insights and at the same time be able to socialize with our friends colleagues and loved ones.
Apart from the fact that one can argue with others about what is truth and to try and convince them of our newly found insights, it also causes major friction in our wish to "fit in" and be loved and accepted.

How do we deal with this?

As far as I'm able to see, humans incarnate time and time again, growing in consciousness every new incarnation until we too are ready to take the next step in life and acquire access to the next level in which people like Buddha, Jesus and many others preceded us.
This also means that there are people who are at the beginning or in the middle of this circle and are just not able to accept insights to life that you now hold as obvious.

Many of your insights collide in a major way with the way they see the world and it would be frightening for them to start to investigate if there is any truth in them, because it would demand that they let go of almost everything that they have hold on to in order to feel secure and safe.

You can always skim the surface of some ones believe system and see if they would be interested to take a little risk and learn something new, but in reality, many people are just not ready to open up in the way many people on Avalon and many other gatherings do.

Our need to feel loved and accepted (mostly) comes from the notion that we have when we are born and feel insecure and we need the assistance of grown ups to lead us to understanding this life and the ability to stand on our own two feet.

When we now encounter this problem of friction that I described above, it is also time for us to grow and make new choices as to who we are and how we relate to others.

Are we in fact able to give this love and acceptance to ourselves in the understanding that we are all one, but also separated by our individuality during our travel through life?

edit to add:

Welcome to Avalon Karika and nice thread/discussion.

[seleka]

Turns out most of what I posted recently is related ( ;) imagine that :rolleyes:).... an answer to a lot of it came in this post on another thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57162-Dolores-Cannon-5D-Earth-is-Here-&p=759321&viewfull=1#post759321 I have so many htoughts but right now am still feeling ill... be back soon.

[Milneman]

I am the OP. I am sure I have not worded things well. This is not a thread about waking people up. I went through that phase in 2004, 2006-2008, a little during occupy to the newcomers that hadn't yet discovered the prison, 2012 and early 2013 (after I found out all about the music industry, satanists and pedophiles, the last bit of the puzzle I learned, mk ultra...). The period of waking others is pretty well done now I think. We are the wayshowers, and now we see our way. I have been sitting here trying to write out what I mean and the results are not something I can post yet. I just needed to jump in and say this is not a thread about waking them up. It is about can we continue to live amongst them? That is the direction.... will they seem to 'die' to us and we move to a higher frequency? Some hear some truth and fall back asleep constantly as an above poster mentions... the one that lives here says that it is better if he just doesn't know (not my romantic partner but wants to be).... the whole "what you don't know can't hurt you" thing..... but it is like I am saying, "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there, does it make a sound?" Surely pretending these things aren't happening can't be the path to freedom? Can I stay here and pretend to be a cog since I know none of it is real anyway, for "the sake of the children" or can I live with myself if I just hightail it on out of here, leaving him utterly alone? Is it possible to create a new reality and bring an unconscious into it? how? tell me like I am 3. So far my manifestations have involved a blouse at a store and a certain tv channel being free this month (science channel). We asked to see the show 'how its made' and 2 days later a free preview showed up....I am getting too convoluted again. Try more later. Love you guys!

Be patient with them. Love them unconditionally. Always, always, always act in truth and love.

[AxisMundi]

It is about can we continue to live amongst them? That is the direction.... will they seem to 'die' to us and we move to a higher frequency? Some hear some truth and fall back asleep constantly as an above poster mentions... the one that lives here says that it is better if he just doesn't know (not my romantic partner but wants to be).... the whole "what you don't know can't hurt you" thing.....

I'd argue that on some level this has already happened though, it's just difficult to 'see' because we're so focused on the 3D visual aspect of reality. Whilst we walk together amongst such people in the street and in our lives, in some respect, namely in the realm of consciousness we have come to inhabit different Universes entirely. The matrix (or whatever you like to call it) is in essence a consciousness trap. ie a system which is designed specifically to annexe significant portions of the collective psyche and gear them towards illusion. It is very real sorcery. In this respect you're absolutely right in saying that pretending things aren't happening can be the path to freedom. Ignoring evil cannot ever lead one to freedom.

One can choose to turn one's back on it for a thousand lifetimes and yet it will still be there. Sounds harsh I know but pretending things aren't happening can only work in favour of the evil do-er's and allows the problem to grow and metastasize whilst our back's are turned and we put our fingers in our ears. The battle then ultimately revolves around personal responsibility to seek the truth and align one's self with ALL truth, which necessitates looking hard at the darkness. In terms of 'bringing unconscious into the new reality' I don't think this can be done. At the same time though we still have to live in this 3D world. The journey of truth is really that of the Shaman who's role it is to 'walk between two worlds', often descending into the Underworld where all the nasty stuff is to bring back knowledge of how to heal both ourselves and our brothers and sisters. My feeling is that people who choose to cherry pick parts of the truth and call it reality because this is 'comfortable' will have to come back again and again to learn lessons until they finally 'see' and align themselves with how a conscious and feeling Universe experiences itself. Again, this sounds arrogant and I'm 'uncomfortable' saying it but these are my thoughts. Perhaps others may have some input on them..........

[markpierre]

Don't separate yourself from them. Just know better, so that someone knows better.
You don't know who's going to come up to you and ask, assuming you're an authority because you're the only one they know.
Well it's good you were there then.
But authority belongs to guys who can be trusted with it. So be darn sure you are one,
because calm and clarity can't mix a dozen frightening scenarios together, and represent it as the truth.
The facts of the craziness, whatever they are, are under the auspices of much bigger truth.
If you've got that, you're able to help anybody.

[greybeard]

Don't separate yourself from them. Just know better, so that someone knows better.
You don't know who's going to come up to you and ask, assuming you're an authority because you're the only one they know.
Well it's good you were there then.
But authority belongs to guys who can be trusted with it. So be darn sure you are one,
because calm and clarity can't mix a dozen frightening scenarios together, and represent it as the truth.
The facts of the craziness, whatever they are, are under the auspices of much bigger truth.
If you've got that, you're able to help anybody.

Its not what you say or do, its what you are that affects people positively = spiritual frequency/vibration.
Time spent studying the teachings of spiritual masters, meditating, is invaluable in not just raising your consciousness, it raises the consciousness of all.
Chris

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[Spiral of Light]

I have been sitting here trying to write out what I mean and the results are not something I can post yet. I just needed to jump in and say this is not a thread about waking them up. It is about can we continue to live amongst them? ... Can I stay here and pretend to be a cog since I know none of it is real anyway, for "the sake of the children" ...Is it possible to create a new reality and bring an unconscious into it? how? tell me like I am 3...

Hi Karika,

I am loving this thread's topic because I've been living your reality for the past 10 years, or so. In all of that time, I have not been able to change the mind set of any of my children, grandchildren or partner. So, I feel your frustration.

I have, however, come to a place in my life where I am comfortable with this dynamic of feeling/knowing things that my family and loved ones are unaware of and unconcerned about. I reached this comfort zone by convincing myself of a simple but powerful fact.

Someone in the comments above alluded to it... the simple fact is that we are each on our own separate and personal journey through life. We are each traveling this journey by following our own personal pathway. Each of us is at a different level of awareness because the veil is lifting for each of us at a different point in the process of living this life we are experiencing now.

So, I believe the answer to your question is Yes. We can continue to live among them without pretending to be a cog in the wheel.

It's all about Free Will and learning the lessons that we have lined up previously to learn this time around. None of us can force another to listen and learn these things. That would be trampling on the Free Will rule. They each need to come upon their answers and discoveries on their own.

So, I've come to the point in my learning experiences where I simply live my life the best way I know how, trying to be a shining example of love, light, awareness, strength and patience. I am here for those who are beginning to lift the veil. Where there are questions, I answer them to the best of my ability. Where there are concerns, I comfort and guide gently. I believe strongly that my presence among them is a valuable gift to them... and a strong lesson and responsibility for me.

I drop hints at appropriate times and then move on so that no one feels compelled in any way. The result is that my circle of un-awakened family and loved ones feel comfortable with me and feel free to engage me in conversations about some of these formerly taboo topics. They may view me as somewhat 'different', but I don't believe that is a negative thing.

To answer your other question: I've found that it definitely is possible to live my 'new reality' right in the middle of a large family group of the sleeping and unaware. They know that I meditate regularly. They know that I am into crystal energetics and yoga and Reiki. It's what I do... and it's OK with them because I don't try to push these interests upon them. I do give them gifts of specific crystals at times, along with explanations of the types of energy historically connected with that crystal. And they love that! I do send them healing energies when I meditate, and they love that, too.

Recently, I have been manifesting way beyond my previous ability to manifest. Specifically, the manifestation was a house!

Everyone I know was aware of the circumstances surrounding my attempts to purchase this house. It's a really long and convoluted story so I'll spare the details. But the house I loved (and had seen in a dream before I even saw the actual house) became available. I tried to buy it and didn't succeed. Everyone knew how sad I was about losing 'my house'. Eventually, the house went back on the market and was put into a bidding war in an auction. I had limited funds, but in some unexplainable way I was the bidder that got the house. There is so much more involved in the manifestation of my house, but the story is too long to detail here. My point is that all of my family and everyone close to me knew that the house situation was not going to work out... and then it did!

So, I guess you could say that I have brought the 'unconscious' into my reality in some small but important ways. The importance is that they look at me and the way I am living my life and they are seeing and learning as they observe.

I hope I haven't made my response too long. I just wanted to share my experiences and give you some hope that you are right where you need to be right now. Don't retreat from it. Instead, greet it with open arms.

With Much Love,
Nancy

[Robin]

I am the OP.

What does this mean? :confused:

I am really bad at deciphering acronyms, especially internet slang.

Does OP mean "opposite"? If so, why not just say that? :o

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by SamwiseTheBrave: What does this mean? :confused:

Hi Sam wise,
OP=Original Poster, The person who originally opened the thread

[Bubu]

So to stop perpetuating the reality with the Archons, lizzies, satan worshipping bestiality loving pedophiles that drink blood and eat babies... we have to stop talking about it? That is really what it seems like, but then others say pretending it doesn't exist won't work...

If this is true which I think it is then talking (also) that all of these will soon perish should do the trick.

They are not gonna make it. The other prophesies will not come to pass because their dubious plans have been exposed. I see good times soon.

[Delight]

Karika,
I have a couple of books by Cynthia Sue Larson. I like her videos and books as they challenge the brain wash presumptions of possible.

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I also like this website Montalk.net in general.
In particular the topic of the pitfalls that can be encountered in the YCYOR (you create your own reality) superficial attitudes was valuable.

http://montalk.net/metaphys/68/true-reality-creation-part-i

I would LOVE to be in a support group via skype with anyone interested in deeply challenging the brain wash.

Though these videos and the article as examples, may not be true exactly, if any one has experienced reality shifting in any way, then any other one may also have the experience.

IMO, the desire to change our own experience without stepping on the toes of others who need or want a different experience is important.

[Delight]

Wind posted this elsewhere (thanks).
There are techniques Matrix Energetics, Quantum Touch, The Reconnection and others that acknowledge the space we think is empty is NOT empty and we influence the world around us by conscious influence within ourelves. In other words, we have to experience/feel we would share. A healer heals self and another is healed. We share what we have established.

To me this focus Gregg Braden shares in the first and second video of the play list is REAL. Using our field is the new way to passively resist. We fill our space up with the living pulsating essence as outpictured by our level of capacity and it resonates with other singular asp[ects of the whole. There is no room left over to be influenced when we are fully engaged with the quantum field. Hard to say if one has not felt this way but IMO true,

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[Crystine]

Welcome Karika, you won't be lonesome here.

[grannyfranny100]

Karika, sometimes we put the emphasis on the wrong syllable. I had to leave someone because I was feeling swamped and mangled by his family dynamics. We now live four hours a part and speak by phone several times a day. We still see each other and are devoted to helping each other. Now we can appreciate the loving things we have together while we each proceed with our individual pathways without power struggles.

[Delight]

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This is current from 11/18.
Joe Dispenza is giving excellent guidance here for how we can take on changing the neurochemical and neuronet pathways. That moves us to rewire the brain and condition the body to a new mind.
I listened from 10:00 especially.
mindfulness and metcognition brings the body to the present moment, the body settles down. In the present, People can let go of hyperanalytical, overly critical and hypervigilent states.

very fine tool fro $1.98 US
http://astore.amazon.com/drjoedis-20/detail/B008C6A47S

[carriellbee]

I don't think enlightenment brings answers to these issues. Instead, it comes with the realization that WE REALLY ARE ALL ONE. And ALL means ALL, including lizards and AI and well, everything. At source, there is no good or bad, right or wrong; everything is experience. And everything is absolutely perfect just the way it is, though it is very difficult for us to remember that when we experience vibratory dissonance.

[Anchor]

Before we incarnated... Before we allowed the veil of forgetting to descend...and before we entered into a specially crafted and supremely well thought out "incarnation"... we knew all this stuff, and we knew what we needed in order to progress and we chose our entry vector into an illusion filled with many other entities - other-selves - with whom we are all connected, and we did it for our reason and for a purpose.

I cant prove any of this of course.

But, it is my current belief that everything in our lives has happened for a reason and usually for the bigger ticket items - planned purpose; and so I think there is a reason why we share our lives with people that we love and with people that challenge us, and people who are both!

Figuring it all out can be fun, but I don't even know if it is essential anymore, its all grist to the mill though. Opportunities are always present to work with those other-selves who are reflections of that which is of our inner self and to which we can pay attention, if we have the mind to do it.

[seleka]

The poor clueless fellow just went to open a bank account for his daughter! I have tried numerous times to explain the truth of money to him, even with the cartoon video apparently he didn't get it. He is not dumb, just so deeply brainwashed he can't get it.... I am going to reread Christine's new thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66083-Do-Unto-Others) again... I release you from my expectations. I am not responsible for your enlightenment.

[Bubu]

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

Thus you will know when you're no longer part of the brainwashed, because people tend to jump at you whenever you open your mouth.:eek: