What is everyones thoughts about magick?

[pumashared]

hey guys. new member here. im in love with this forum. i love the fact that the members are so nice and mostly open minded.
as a young man i have always been interested in magick. Im not talking about illusions but real magick. what is everyone thoughts on it? i would love to read some of your thoughts and experiences.
Mods if this is a bad post please delete it.

[Robin]

:welcome::welcome:

Hi there, friend.

I also find magic to be interesting. I am not too knowledgeable about it, but I think think that I would define it as the unknown that we do not yet know how to perceive with our current structural beliefs.

Check out any or all of these threads. You might find them interesting:

Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64028-Exceptional-psychic-abilities-in-exceptional-people)
The Major Arcana of the Tarot (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64279-The-Major-Arcana-of-the-Tarot)
Do You Believe in Miracles or Magic? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64065-Do-You-Believe-in-Miracles-or-Magic)
The Secret Of The Soul - and OBE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51152-The-Secret-Of-The-Soul-and-OBE)
Art is Magic (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63520-Art-is-Magic)
The Trickster (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60250-The-Trickster)
LRH (L. Ron Hubbard (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59041-LRH--L.-Ron-Hubbard-))
Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone, Ron's Org, Planet Earth. Jim, and the Future (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59276-Q-and-A-about-Ron-Hubbard-Bill-Robertson-Scientology-the-Free-Zone-Ron-s-Org-Planet-Earth.-Jim-and-the-Future)


I especially find Derren Brown (http://www.youtube.com/user/OfficialDerren)to be fascinating. To me, how he works with "magic" is very logical, as he simply works with manipulating people's train of thought.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q2KGGMc1EM

What do YOU think about magic/magick?

[jagman]

Majick can be very dangerous. A few years ago I wrote a thread about how to do a conjuring.
I deleted my thread after a few minutes because It's a very dangerous.Most of what i know is
common knowledge but what I do know is when you open certain doors you never quite know
what's going to come through. If you are a practitioner,I hope your taking the proper precautions.
I find Majick very interesting, although I'm not practitioner.

[Robin]

Or did you mean Magic the card game? ;)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BfjyOX8vxcg/S033CvDeFCI/AAAAAAAAACA/ImHA1k0tHUY/s400/Albert-Einstein-Magic-Card.jpg

[Eram]

Hi Pumashared,

Magic can bring proof of the existence of other dimensions/worlds/realities and how they relate to this physical world.

It can be a learning tool to expand consciousness about reality.
With the ability to conduct magic comes a great responsibility though.

It is said that both in Lemuria and Atlantis the lower priest casts (who had knowledge about how to conduct magic) misused their knowledge for their egoistic ends and in the end (after expelling the higher priesthood who never misused their knowledge) caused those two civilizations to collapse.

[Anchor]

My understanding of Magick is that it is a form of ritualized working with "intent" and by those means effects a kind of exertion of will to bring about a change in reality.

It is a tool, and like the saying guns dont kill people, people kill people, any tool when used wrongly can wreak harm and consequent karma.

Magick has a bad reputation because it can be pretty hard to use something like this correctly. Magick provides the opportunity for the maxim "power corrupts" ample opportunity to be proven correct, time and time again.

[Cognitive Dissident]

hey guys. new member here. im in love with this forum. i love the fact that the members are so nice and mostly open minded.
as a young man i have always been interested in magick. Im not talking about illusions but real magick. what is everyone thoughts on it? i would love to read some of your thoughts and experiences.
Mods if this is a bad post please delete it.

Interesting question. My simple answer is that magick is part of the spiritual path, and should not be pursued in isolation, also together with personal development, healing, gathering knowledge, learning about natural health, meditation, and so on. It is an over-simplication to say that to focus on magick is a bad thing, but it is basically correct.

I also agree with the previous comments from jagman and Eram, which are very wise.

(I don't think the mods are going to delete your post because it's bad, don't worry, Avalon does not work like that hehehe).

[Johnny]

As all wise persons says: "It is all an illusion" !

The question is: How the heck are we able to make it real. THAT'S magic. :cool:

Another question is, why do wise persons say: "It is all an illusion".
:wizard:

Johnny ;)

[jounai]

Magick is a way to work with the reality that you yourself have created through your definitions and conditioning of life. It really can be used for anything, to create a positive experience, an negative experience or anything in-between the two extremes. To be able to effectively apply magick and actually having it work for you you have to create a strong "core" or belief that it is actually possible. Many humans have a fundamental belief that the physical reality is...well physical and solid and you have to "overcome" the energy you put into the solid experience with another belief and definition that the reality is indeed flexible. This might be where many people experience it being dangerous, as they have defined the reality to be solid and that without this solidity and structure everything will basically fall apart, which as well is a valid experience.

These "dangers" I stated above is one reason I always will recommend strongly that you do look at all the badness you have defined the reality of life to be filled with before you seriously start with any extended energywork, or magick. But of course this is up to you as the negative experience is just as valid as a positive one. I myself do mostly what can be considered "energy work" as I find the often ritualistic nature of magick to be a delay rather than an shortcut to the reality I wish to experience. I see that all the realities and experiences have an energetic foundation and if I change the energetic foundation the whole experience will change. This way I create a very natural and easy transition from a fear based experience into an empowered experience. Key is always to work with yourself and not against yourself. :)

If you have any questions please feel free to ask them. :) The idea of magick has the potential to create a very positive experience and this is also the only reality I will share with you. :madgrin:

[Johnny]

Many humans have a fundamental belief that the physical reality is...well physical and solid and you have to "overcome" the energy you put into the solid experience with another belief and definition that the reality is indeed flexible. This might be where many people experience it being dangerous, as they have defined the reality to be solid and that without this solidity and structure everything will basically fall apart, which as well is a valid experience. :madgrin:

Very well said, and when all fell apart, even the reality that you are alive, then you have the: "All is an illusion" !

Have a nice journey :scared:



Johnny :-)

[RMorgan]

Hey brother,

The occult is something you shouldn't mess with unless you're absolutely sure of what you're doing, what you're trying to achieve, what can go wrong and what are the consequences.

Most people see it as a shortcut to achieve many objectives, but most of them end up realizing, after a while, that there are no shortcuts.

I understand people are curious to experiment with it, but be careful. Most likely, those experiments will end up ruining your life instead of improving it.

Basically, this rule is worth for everything, from electronic equipment to occult experiments: Don't mess with things you don't understand.

Feel free to read about it, but think a thousand times before conducting any experiment. Depending on the book you're reading about this subject, only opening it will already attract a lot of attention from all sorts of potentially dangerous parties.

Raf.

[OMG]

The saying goes, all is permissible but not all is beneficial. It's up to each of us to find out what that means.

But generally speaking, if something can be done with full comprehension, volition and doesn't harm others then it's allowed.

[Dorjezigzag]

This is worth a watch
enjoy;)
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[jackovesk]

Depending on what sort of Magick..?

I would say Mess with it, and it will Mess with you...:yes4:

Just like Ice or Crack Cocaine - Everything is fine until the drugs take over and start to Control you...

If your not into experimenting with Hard Drugs, you shouldn't be Messing around with Magick either if you are not in total Control and know exactly what your doing at all times...:nono:

[Spirithorse]

I don't claim to be an expert on this subject matter, I live spirituality in a different way but I learned that there is a difference between magic and magick with the latter focussing on the dark arts.

Found it funny, the day after the Olympic ceremony (can't remember whether it was the opening or closing) I noticed bold headlines on several major uk newspapers saying:
'THAT WAS MAGICKAL'

Considering the blatantly obvious symbolism that was used and ritualistic aspects, that was a further confirmation for me. Why was it spelled that way?

[AxisMundi]

Hey brother,

The occult is something you shouldn't mess with unless you're absolutely sure of what you're doing, what you're trying to achieve, what can go wrong and what are the consequences.

Most people see it as a shortcut to achieve many objectives, but most of them end up realizing, after a while, that there are no shortcuts.



Raf.

I think these are very wise words here, especially the part about short-cuts. Whilst there are different types of Magick and I'm no expert I've come to see it as an extremely self serving and actually lazy tool for exploring the Universe. Certainly some magick (sigils for instance which are one of the most basic form of chaos magic) starts with the premise that the world 'out there' is somehow 'wrong' and that it's legitimate to interfere with that reality in order to bend it towards one's will or a more desirable reality for one's own self gain. This will almost always necessitate infringing on others free will, and usually covertly without their knowledge.

The alternative of course is deep spiritual work on the self where one concentrates on the inner journey and mastering one's own being in order to make it strong enough whereby you can execute your will without interfering and 'manipulating' the outward world at all except for change that is brought about through hard work and which may involve helping others. Just my take.......

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Also, I'd argue that Magick is exactly what is being used on us by the elite to enslave us. Television for instance is a form of magick.....

[Kryztian]

For most of my life, I didn't take the idea of magic seriously. About 4 years ago, I started doing Reiki - much to my amazement of my analytic and skeptical brain, I found that I could change things by closing my eyes and focusing on my intent to heal and make the world better.

About a year ago I was listening to Douglas Dietrich talking about how he worked with Col. Michael Aquino, the Army's Satanic chaplain, who performed all sorts of strange rituals, and insisted that they worked. I realized that in fact there was a similarity between Reiki and these rites - the both employed symbols, mantras and intentions. However, in Satanic magic the intent is to empower the self, often at the expense of others, in Reiki, it is to bring healing and for the highest good of others.

So, I have no experience with magic, and I do not wish to, nor would I recommend it to others, because I imagine there is a price to pay for using it. But I can see that it may be efficacious in some instances. There are plenty of places to witness the miraculous outside of dark magic.

[AxisMundi]

About a year ago I was listening to Douglas Dietrich talking about how he worked with Col. Michael Aquino, the Army's Satanic chaplain, who performed all sorts of strange rituals, and insisted that they worked. I realized that in fact there was a similarity between Reiki and these rites - the both employed symbols, mantras and intentions. However, in Satanic magic the intent is to empower the self, often at the expense of others, in Reiki, it is to bring healing and for the highest good of others.

So, I have no experience with magic, and I do not wish to, nor would I recommend it to others, because I imagine there is a price to pay for using it. But I can see that it may be efficacious in some instances. There are plenty of places to witness the miraculous outside of dark magic.

Very much agree with the last sentence here :) FWIW I believe Michael Aquino to be likely possessed by some extremely dark, dangerous and particularly nasty entities. I know you weren't praising him or anything but just thought I'd throw that in there. Just looking at the guy's picture gives me the creeps.........

[Nasu]

Do what thy wilt, but do no harm.... N

[jounai]

There are white magick that is about "stealing" power or gaining some sort of artificial sense of power over others. And there are Black magick and satanic magick which focuses on a pure self-empowered (and other empowerement as well whish is the same thing really). So you really have to look past the labels and names to figure out the real purpose behind magick. It is highly individual what a person uses magick, or anything else for. :)

[Milneman]

Heya puma! Playing catch-up here.

Can I ask why you're interested in magic? And why the k?

Is there a difference?

[dianna]

Sigil Magick works ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioiYwpsL44M

[pabranno]

Jounai,
I appreciated your thoughts.
I'd like to throw a question out there: I have begun to realize that to grow in any real sense will require me to begin meditating.
I have also had a desire to begin to learn about "energy work".
I am quite frankly afraid to do these things.
For I know (from personal experience) that there is a lot of moving energy bottled up in me, ready to be cultivated:
I also personally believe I am susceptible to attacks.
I am naive, and eager, and negative energies can read "Sucker" on my forehead from a mile off.
So, I'm rather stuck...
I hope this is not derailing.
If it is, I will approach this another way another day.
Thanks for listening,
"Sucker"

[Robin]

Heya puma! Playing catch-up here.

Can I ask why you're interested in magic? And why the k?

Is there a difference?

According to Wikipedia:

Magick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magick_(Thelema)), in the context of Aleister Crowley's Thelema, is a term used to differentiate the occult from stage magic and is defined as "the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will", including both "mundane" acts of will as well as ritual magic. Crowley wrote that "it is theoretically possible to cause in any object any change of which that object is capable by nature".[1] John Symonds and Kenneth Grant attach a deeper occult significance to this preference.[2]

Crowley saw magick as the essential method for a person to reach true understanding of the self and to act according to one's true will, which he saw as the reconciliation "between freewill and destiny."[3] Crowley describes this process in his Magick, Book 4:




One must find out for oneself, and make sure beyond doubt, who one is, what one is, why one is ...Being thus conscious of the proper course to pursue, the next thing is to understand the conditions necessary to following it out. After that, one must eliminate from oneself every element alien or hostile to success, and develop those parts of oneself which are specially needed to control the aforesaid conditions. (Crowley, Magick, Book 4 p.134

[dianna]

From: Cast Iron Chaos
http://modemac.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/Sigil_Magic

http://mrjtriskelion.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/image1.jpg


Chaos magic is sigil magic – designing and drawing magical shapes as a way of "casting a spell." Sigils have been around since the earliest days, and Chaos magic simply took the idea of a sigil and simplified it to its basic concept. The popularity of sigil magic stems from its simplicity: it is so basic that anyone can do it. You simply design a sigil to match your desire or intent, activate it, destroy it, and let it happen.

In Chaos magic, a sigil is essentially an aid to focusing. When I meditate, it is convenient for me to focus upon the image of a sigil, as a way to help me shift my consciousness and block out input from my environment. Focusing on a sigil is a way to make it easier to achieve gnosis. A sigil is designed as a way of symbolizing the intent of meditation. After all, there's a reason why we're engaging in meditation in the first place – are we just trying to calm our bodies down, or are we actually looking to achieve a "magical" effect? It's easier and more precise to focus our minds on a single image – a sigil – than to try to envision a phrase or a sentence such as "I will score with a chick tonight, huh-huh huh-huh."

In his Disinfo presentation and his popular essay Pop Magic, Chaos magician and comic book author Grant Morrison describes sigils in this manner:

"In the Pop Magic! style, the sigil (sij-ill) is the first and one of the most effective weapons in the arsenal of any modern magician.

"The sigil technique was reconceptualized and modernized by Austin Osman Spare in the early 20th century and popularized by Chaos Magicians and Thee Temple Ov Psychick Youth in the 19 hundred and 80s.



"The sigil takes a magical desire or intent – let's say "IT IS MY DESIRE TO BE A GREAT ACTOR" (you can, of course, put any desire you want in there) and folds it down, creating a highly-charged symbol. The desire is then forgotten. Only the symbol remains and can then be charged to full potency when the magician chooses.
…

"First remove the vowels and the repeating letters to leave a string of consonants – TSMYDRBGC.

"Now start squashing the string down, throwing out or combining lines and playing with the letters until only an appropriately witchy-looking glyph is left. When you're satisfied it's done, you may wind up with something like this:

http://www.mookychick.co.uk/images/sigil1.jpg

"To charge your sigil you must concentrate on its shape, and hold that form in your mind as you evacuate all other thoughts.

"Almost impossible, you might say, but the human body has various mechanisms for inducing brief "no-mind" states. Fasting, spinning, intense exhaustion, fear, sex, the fight-or-flight response; all will do the trick. I have charged sigils while bungee jumping, lying dying in a hospital bed, experiencing a total solar eclipse and dancing to Techno. All of these methods proved to be highly effective but for the eager beginner nothing beats the WANK TECHNIQUE."

(For more about the WANK TECHNIQUE, read Morrison's Pop Magic!.) There are many online dissertations on sigil magic, such as these: [1] [2] [3]

What I do is simply concentrate on the image of the sigil as I meditate, using the steps and tricks described earlier, until I feel I've achieved gnosis. At that point I can then forget the sigil and leave it buried in my subconscious. If you believe in magical "energy," this phase of the meditation would then be described as "charging" the sigil with magical energy and activating it. Chaos magicians often say they are "activating" a sigil or "releasing it into the subconscious." At this particular moment, we focus our belief that the sigil has been activated, and the "spell" has been cast.

Chaos magicians also frequently destroy the sigil in order to assist with forgetting it, and to impart the sigil into the subconscious.

Because I consider such situations as walking serenely and cooking as meditation, I've concentrated on sigils while performing these acts. I've even burned sigils in my cast iron pans, because I like the dramatic effect and the irony (pun intended) of such a theatrical and flashy act.

Because the sigil only has meaning for you, then it will work best if you design in it a manner only you can understand. Above all, do not tell anyone else the exact meaning of your sigil until you are positive that the effect has worked…and maybe not even then. Some Chaos practitioners believe all sigils should be kept a secret until after they have been effected, but I personally feel that you can design a sigil with the intent of making it public, such as the one placed at the top of this page. Even then, though, the sigil should remain mysterious in order to maintain its power. Remember, one of the most powerful aspects of Chaos magic is the power of belief. If a person believes the sigil has an effect, then it is much more likely that it will – whether that includes you, or the subject or target of your "spell." Even in the 21st century, "witchcraft" still causes hysteria and panic in much of Africa – not because it is effective, but because large numbers of people believe it is effective. (See also: Witch Hunters.) Until the vast majority of Africa no longer believes in witchcraft, incantations such as sigil magic will continue to have an effect…as it will on anyone who believes that it will be effective. That includes you, and me: if I believe this sigil will be effective, then I will look for proof (even subconsciously) that it was effective until I discover it. (Note the similarity between this and many ludicrous conspiracy theories, Creationism, and other areas that rely largely on faith and belief.)

Does it work? That's the mystery of magic: if the sigil has any effect at all, there's no way to actually point to a piece of evidence and say, "THAT is the result of the sigil." As with other forms of magical reading, you can only wait for the event to occur, and suddenly experience a moment of hindsight when you realize that, yes, this sequence of events coincides with what you had designed into your sigil.

As I've stated, I am not a believer in magical "energies" or outside forces. I consider the sigil to be an aid in meditation, one that I can focus on in order to better attain the state of gnosis and achieve the magical effect I am aiming to place upon myself. Even Peter J. Carroll has written and stated that "magic," as practiced by Chaos magicians, is a subtle affecting of probability and possibility in order to turn the tables more in the magician's favor. The primary aspect of the sigil is to place the intent of the spell into one's subconscious – and as such, it may possibly have the placebo effect of causing the spell caster to work that much harder towards achieving the goal (or the intent) of the cast spell…and thus provide the tipping of balance with the result of actually achieving said goal or intent. And then…well, what do you know? The spell worked!

http://www.mookychick.co.uk/images/sigil2.jpg

Magical Phrases

A mantric sigil can also be created as a corollary to a drawn sigil. This is essentially a word or words (mantra), formed by arranging the letters used in the creation of the sigil. This is typically a nonsense word with no actual meaning or language behind it, other than the intent of the sigil itself. As with a drawn sigil, this magical phrase only has meaning for you, so it does not have to be spoken in an actual language. But as with the creation of a magical alphabet, some truly ambitious Chaos magicians may take the effort of creating their own artificial magical language especially for spell casting. (Shades of Ursula K. LeGuin's A Wizard of Earthsea.) The phrase Mod Externa, as seen on the front page of this very Web site, Cast Iron Chaos, is a sigil I developed myself. As I was designing a sigil behind a certain meaning related especially to myself, I suddenly discovered that the letters in my intent could be condensed into those two words, "mod externa" – and immediately upon forming these words, I had a sensation that this was right. It was correct. It was a moment of magic! I felt that this phrase, "mod externa" (which is not Latin, despite the resemblance to Latin), was there for me, and so I took it and used it as the motto of my Web site. The meaning of this phrase applies to me alone; it was a spell I had cast especially for my own benefit.

This application of mantric sigils can also be applied to Fotamecus, the time elemental created by Chaos magicians and then released onto the Internet for others to invoke. I've invoked him myself, especially when taking part in long drives in my car.

Here's an example of one of the best successes I've had so far as a Chaos magician: the night of New Year's Eve, December 31, 2011. After casting a sigil for success that evening, I wrote the following in my blog the next day, New Year's Day: "New Year's Day, 2012. This year has already kicked ass over 2011. Last night I had the most fun I've had in years on New Year's Eve, and magic was definitely involved: the exact kind of esoteric and impossible-to-pinpoint magic that I've seen since I embraced Chaos. For this weekend's festivities, I engaged in a summoning ritual and I successfully conjured a cybernetic rabbit spirit from the future, who manifested in many strange and unusual ways. The most unusual, and positive, aspect of this came when I designed and cast a sigil with the intent having an effect that very evening, a scant few hours after it was cast. Rather than phrasing it as a desire, I took a chance and made it a declaration: instead of "My desire is…" I simply stated my intention "Something Unexpected Will Happen Tonight" and sigilized it. I then burned the sigil in a cast iron pan to project it into the subconscious. I may be an anthropomorphic cat at heart, but last night the rabbit was my spirit guide: I followed the white rabbit, and even managed to engage in Kirlian photography that showed the aura of the rabbit. I followed the rabbit and let the magic happen, and the result was that last night turned out to be the best ****ing New Year I've had in many a year. I made several interesting acquaintances and met one person who I do hope will be more than just an acquaintance. The night's magic began with cast iron and ended with cast iron – true cooking magic. This makes me happy. Some people work magic with candles and cauldrons and pentagrams drawn on the floor. Cooking is my magic. My rituals involve cast iron over a blazing hot stove, wielding metal implements of culinary creation. The results of my cooking magic are slowly manifesting, but I am indeed gaining experience and confidence. Not the least of which was the way I cooked wonderful bacon two separate times in the space of five hours. I will be a beginning cook for a long time to come – but I am now an experienced beginning cook. I am achieving gnosis through my cooking."



Simple Chaos Magick


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQFenJSs7uw

[Dorota Abed]

My opinion is never mess with it. White magick or Black magick it's still magick. I find that observing my children in everyday life and being thankful for the things that I have seen and learned is magical and magic in itself.

[jounai]

Jounai,
I appreciated your thoughts.
I'd like to throw a question out there: I have begun to realize that to grow in any real sense will require me to begin meditating.
I have also had a desire to begin to learn about "energy work".
I am quite frankly afraid to do these things.
For I know (from personal experience) that there is a lot of moving energy bottled up in me, ready to be cultivated:
I also personally believe I am susceptible to attacks.
I am naive, and eager, and negative energies can read "Sucker" on my forehead from a mile off.
So, I'm rather stuck...
I hope this is not derailing.
If it is, I will approach this another way another day.
Thanks for listening,
"Sucker"

Meditation and such practices can be a very good way to start. This fear of yours is something that you eventually have to let go of if you are ever to experience anything outside the "box". This doesn't however mean that you should jump into energy work and such ideas before you feel ready...it takes a degree of courage to start this adventure. Meditation can be a useful tool to build up some kind of resilience or space within yourself which is more or less a requirement of working with energy. So, start with meditation and start with very simple variations of it. Like laying on bed just focusing on relaxing and observing the body and what it is up to. Observe thoughts, observe feelings. This basic method will eventually create an inner space within you that enables you to work with energy in an effective and constructive manner. There will come a time, if you keep on going in this direction, that thoughts and feelings wont affect you at all...you will remain in peace and stillness even through great chaos within. But you have to start somewhere, and this basic observing-meditation is a good way to begin and build up a confidence required to engage in energy work. :)

You didn't really ask a question in your post...but instead gave us statements to relate to. This can be a good way to get information but do remember however that statements often are very defined. Questions have the potential to be very open like "How can I get better at this?" or "How do I begin here?". So start with asking yourself questions that do not have built in statements, for example: "Why am I so bad at this?". This question already have the statement "I'm bad at this" which will often prevent your from actually getting better. :madgrin:

Hope this helps. :heh:

[pumashared]

thanks everyone for your insight. to those who have dabbled into it. can anyone point me into a right direction. im very intrested in knowing more.

[thunder24]

thanks everyone for your insight. to those who have dabbled into it. can anyone point me into a right direction. im very intrested in knowing more.

Everything is everything... all 'do' magik, weather real-eyesing or not... 'do what thou wilt shall b the whole of the law. love is the law. lover under will'


There seems to be much misunderstanding about True Will ... The fact of a person being a gentleman is as much an ineluctable factor as any possible spiritual experience; in fact, it is possible, even probable, that a man may be misled by the enthusiasm of an illumination, and if he should find apparent conflict between his spiritual duty and his duty to honour, it is almost sure evidence that a trap is being laid for him and he should unhesitatingly stick to the course which ordinary decency indicates ... I wish to say definitely, once and for all, that people who do not understand and accept this position have utterly failed to grasp the fundamental principles of the Law of Thelema.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

the will of God is Peace...

mayb you should look into the 5% and find knowledge of self...

peace

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[skippy]

thanks everyone for your insight. to those who have dabbled into it. can anyone point me into a right direction. im very intrested in knowing more.

Magic everywhere. From the words you post here on this Forum, to the messages surrounding you during the day, the flowers, the trees... Our world is full of magic.

[Violet]

hey guys. new member here. im in love with this forum. i love the fact that the members are so nice and mostly open minded.
as a young man i have always been interested in magick. Im not talking about illusions but real magick. what is everyone thoughts on it? i would love to read some of your thoughts and experiences.
Mods if this is a bad post please delete it.

Welcome, Pumashared.

Children love (real) magic. Oh, how they would want to make their teachers and parents disappear at times. This is what drives lots of children fantasy movies, or the other way around, who knows.

However, I do believe that some sort of "magic", not sure if it's the right term in the end, can happen.

Successful, beneficial magic that actually positively contributes to existence as a whole seems scarce. As some members pointed out above: power corrupts. If you roam the net, you'll be (or not) much surprised to see teenagers as young as 15 searching for appropriate spells and rituals to achieve, mostly personal and material gain. That may have to do with the children fantasy movies they grew up with, I don't know.

When people actively enter the realms of magic, they try to look for the good, "only trying to help", (some don't) and it seems as if they are looking to excuse themselves in this way for needing to take that path to deal with life as it is. A bit comparable to changing reality with "help" from (serious) intoxicants, that's also a form of escaping from life as it is.

We all have this image of a female witch; women are considered more likely candidates, but men venture upon it too. I find it fascinating to see what can be done but I disapprove of it.

We are put here on earth as more capable beings than we think at times. Sometimes life is good and sometimes it's not. We take the former for granted and have difficulties accepting the latter. But lots of things are dual in this way. That is how life works. Now how do you deal with that.

Another reason i don't like it is because it interferes with people's own free will. Free will was granted by the Great Maker to the human. It is an honour that we are deemed wise enough to make our own decisions. And then someone pops up and makes a white spell for you (only to help you) because they think you're going to make a decision that they think is not the right one, so they try to deviate you from it because they think that's what's good for you.

Is it?

I for one don't understand how some women in magic ardently wish to make some man fall in love with them to then be happy that he is loving them. Is he really loving her or is she loving herself through the man?

And then there are (even) darker parts of magic, for instance about getting back at people but if I understand it well, you have to be prepared to go down too. So, you won't come out unharmed. You really have to hate someone very badly, to take such a decision, including yourself.

So, however interesting this type of "common" "magic" is, I don't think we need it. We as humans are very self-sufficient in that respect.

[Johnny]

thanks everyone for your insight. to those who have dabbled into it. can anyone point me into a right direction. im very intrested in knowing more.

Keep away from all sorts of rituals, Never put a spell on anything or anybody. Keep your mind clear.

Johnny

[Molly]

yeah sure, Magics cool. i don't ever mess with it but then again people say i do it by making art and music so whatever. i'm not very good at it, i'm thinking. and i dont believe in dieties/gods/goddesses/etc..
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