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Fairy Friend
19th November 2013, 06:56
The Placebo effect
The Placebo effect is where, if you give one group of people nothing and another a sugar pill (a placebo) and tell them it will make them better, the group taking the fake pill gets better than the group that has taken nothing. Yes, sugar was addressed, double blind studies and other placebos tried but it still came down to-You believe you will get better and you do. Mind over matter.

With measurable affects, such as a 10 fold increase in natural killer cells (macrophages-part of the immune system) when you give or receive a hug. A 5 fold increase when you watch someone else get hugged. You have a beneficial effect just by watching some one hugged, even if you don't participate in the hug. Watching comedies increase your immune functions (all kinds of functions)-all kinds of comedies, from slapstick to sophisticated humor.

Although, how fascinating that it was a heart surgeon who had ˝ his patients prayed over (a prayer group) and ˝ not and noticed the positive effect that brought it mainstream and into the public arena. The outcome was that the prayed-for group needed five times fewer antibiotics, suffered a third less pulmonary oedema and recovered with fewer complications in 1988. There already were 100s on prayer, hands on healing, energy healing like reiki, even remote healing, acupuncture etc. There are 100s probably a thousand publications on this affect. Not new news. Old old news.

While I am overjoyed that the rest of the scientific and medical community is keying into the power of mind over matter and the tool it is that we can use. However, there's so much more that needs to be enlightened. Much more to point out here.

1. It's a double edged sword. It cuts both ways. It is important to understand this.

When I attended both undergraduate and graduate school (mid1980s-mid1990s) specifically being in the field of Human Oncology, several publication were addressed to us as part of our studies. There was publication from a psychiatrist in Iowa who told the entire cancer ward to accept death and go peacefully. To accept they were dying, not to struggle and fight it but go peacefully. The entire ward died, everyone, which defies statistics. Some people live. We were told never tell a patient you have 6 months to live because they die at 6 months, exactly. We see it over and over. Say 80% of the people with this type of cancer die in 6 months and 20% live.

We were taught this at the UW. What happened? This training didn't get carried on? I feel like someone messed with the timelines in the bad way. I didn't get a memo and I did not stamp my approval.

Most patients that say 'I will fight', 'I will live,' are the ones who do. You can see it in their faces, smell death on them, whatever words you use. Many Doctors and nurses say this, even if they use different words. You know who has given up and who is a fighter. One (more intuitive) Doctor would straight up ask his patients if they were the one to live.

Many studies show how stress activates the adrenal glands, triggers a fight or flight mode, which is OK short term for survival but long term it depletes vitamins, puts stress on the heart, acidifies the body...
Put another way, ask what works? Ask what doesn't work? Ask percentages. Of course it is not ethical to conduct a direct study with the negative effect on health but I'm sure enough examples can be found. Or the negative effects in a petri dish or non health related study, such as the outcome of a football game.

OK. What is wrong with this picture yet. Yes there's more.

2. The believe system of the healer. What about the believe system of the healer? We ignore this yet. It is a factor. It is important not to dismiss this. Consider these thoughts.

A baby can be healed. Does the baby believe it is going to be healed and is?
An unconscious patient can be healed. Even a coma victim (personal experience here). Do they believe they are going to be healed and are? They're unconscious.
Unknowing recipients can be healed. How do you believe you are going to be healed if no one tells you you're being healed or prayed over?
Bacteria in a petri dish exposed to toxins can be healed. Yes bacteria exposed to toxins and 'healed' significantly do better than the bacteria exposed to the same toxins and not 'healed'. Does the bacteria believe it is going to be healed and is?

There are publications on most of these except the baby one, we don't mess with babies but there are personal documentation or stories told about babies being healed.
What does it all mean? That there's more than just the belief of the patient, it is about the belief of the healer too, or do bacteria have belief systems? Both?

Back to the power of the belief of the healer. The belief of one can be all we need to heal someone if the belief of the one is strong enough. The belief of the one can be stronger than the belief of another. The belief of the one is a package of all the positive and negative thoughts they have about healing and how strong these thoughts are.

3. Can bacteria have a consciousness or a belief system? Don't discount this thought pattern. Maybe it does. There is a Japanese healer who purifies water, with measurable results, and when asked how do you do this? He says, “that he convinces the water to become clean or clear and it does”. Does water have a belief system? A consciousness?

Or people with organ transplants that connect to 'memories' of the donor, as another example. Don't discount this reality. Jelly fish are shown to have memories and several ideas are being explored to repel jellyfish from swimmers. Jellyfish don't have brains. No brain literally at all. How does it remember? OK not a lot of evidence. Out on a limb. What is consciousness and who has it? Clearly we are connected to all things. Where does consciousness lie?

4. Power in numbers. There is clearly power in numbers. The hundredth prayer. The power of the hundredth monkey. Any time 3 or more gather in my name. Certain numbers trigger an increase in the magnitude of power. Other seem more cumulative or additive.

One person has power. Add another and you double the power. Add another and it goes up 10 fold. The number three increases a huge amount what can be accomplished. Make it 4 and it only goes up a little. Another jump occurs somewhere around 11-13 people, although personally, I lean toward 12 or 13. Another at 100 people. Another at 144. Another at 144,000. At 1,000,000 people. Beyond this I do not know.

5. The God /Goddess effect. Super consciousness effect. ??Name??
I had the honor of being told many healing stories around the white buffalo. Most go like this-I saw the white buffalo, I asked for healing (but not all) and then went home. They felt nothing but months later, usually when they went to see the Dr., they discovered they were healed. One in particular, an elderly woman (breast cancer) goes in the Dr. runs the scans. No tumors are gone. He reruns the scans, takes X-rays, rechecks the previous scans and it's gone. Goes to the woman “that's odd, your tumors are missing” she responds, “have you checked the lost and found?”. Another I witnessed personally, patient went to the Dr. and he yelled at her, accused her of having surgery. Tumors are gone she had to have. She was mortified. I'm like-she can't have had surgery, there's no scar. He lifts her gown-no scar. It was a fluke I found out about her visit to see the white buffalo. It was mentioned when she found out I had seen it also. Not a typical subject.

However, in the beginning most stories start out that they simply were seeing a buffalo that was white, not there to be healed. That thought never occurred to them. Many had no clue this would happen.

So OK, who got the memo to heal? The white buffalo-No. The Heiders who own the farm-No. The recipients-No. The 21st century native americans-some maybe but most no. Many people even backtracked to connect the dots and figure out what had happened. How can there be a healing when no one was informed it could happen that way? Sacred ground was made. OK, how? By whom? It came from the outside of people. Elsewhere, an outside source. Things happen we cannot conceive of, that are beyond our imaginations or beliefs.

If I were to write a formula (because I like to do this. Please skip the next 3 paragraphs if you hate math) it would be like this:

H=I+P(n)+G or maybe H=I+P(n)+G H is being healed and I is the individual's belief and P is the Power of the psychic's belief and n is the power associated with the number of psychics involved (n=1-144,000) and finally G is the God/Goddess factor or ultimate power. I put 144,000 as a limit for n because it is the highest number that has been studied that I know of. This number can affect a city. Studies showed a lowering of crime rate (non-violent crime like theft, embezzling, forgery...) when 144,000 prayed over a city.

Both I and P should be working together but if the belief of I is working against P then we will see mixed results. It depends on the strength of the belief of I and P. And the beliefs they have. They can, indeed, be in conflict. The person whose body is being healed should have the advantage. It is their body after all.
If I=P healing is temporary or minimal.
If I>P healing fails.
If I<P healing succeeds may still revert but effects should stay awhile.
If n>144,000 then I<P is a given. Healing succeeds and is permanent. (although I suspect that I>P can still occur with other possible exceptions yet)
I<G and P<G and I+P<G, always the divine can interceed. Healing occurs and is permanent. Angels can heal. Divine intervention. However you want to look at it, the divine trumps all. It knows more than I or P.

I am still tweaking this for I could write this equation in this way: H=I+P(n=1-G) and move G to be inclusive to n. This also makes sense to me. The value of n is in defined jumps but these jumps are still being ironed out, I must confess. The increments relate to these numbers, n={1,2,3,12,100,144,144,000,1,000,000} so far and I'm loosely relating the power level jumps to healing a person, a family, a cancer ward, a hospital, a town, a city, a country, a planet.

Just to clarify, this is not including other variables, such as, you are praying over a coma victim, however they are not recovering because someone has induced the coma maliciously and is robbing them blind. That is matter over matter. Manipulating the physical world, not mind over matter which is my focus and how it relates to health. However, if someone is not healing, it is reasonable to explore all outside variables to obtain health as the true goal.

I have been sharing these thoughts for over a decade now and hope that others share my viewpoint on some level. Clearly, some of my points don't fit well in the box called “The Placebo Effect”, so it needs to be rethought. It's power, to long dismissed. I see the placebo effect played like a card to dismiss the effect of the healer now. That card was already played, we shouldn't dismiss the 'Healer Effect' like we did the 'placebo effect'.

The focus needs to be directed on the positive. Don't focus on disease focus on health. There is power in both positive and negative thoughts. The door swings both ways.

I have discovered the body is wired to heal itself. If you give it what it needs and not what is bad. Electrically, chemically, hormonally, endocrine or glandular systems, on the cellular level, DNA level, molecular level, tissue level, organ level, emotionally, even consciously and beyond. On every level you can think of. It is weird we have so many sick people. Let us all think health and correct this. Fairy Friend

Johnny
19th November 2013, 08:54
The Placebo effect

1. It's a double edged sword. It cuts both ways. It is important to understand this.

Friend

Yes and no. The opposite of placebo is called nocebo, which means something like: "I will harm you".

The The Danish Cancer Society are experts in nocebo through there propaganda, which they call enlightenment.

Good post Fairy Friend.

Johnny

ulli
19th November 2013, 09:23
I love your post, Fairy Friend.
This is what we are doing on the Here and Now thread.
Focus on well-being will manifest well-being.
We are on the same page.
Welcome to Avalon.

Shannow
19th November 2013, 09:48
A cynical friend once told me that medicine was the process of keeping the patient distracted while nature took it's course...

unfortunately his view was nature for good or bad.

It's amazing that medicine uses the "placebo" effect to trash anything that isn't their underperforming overpriced rubbish, when the very existence of the placebo effect demonstrates that actual healing comes from the body in and of itself.

As to the nocebo, I firmly beleive that Oz's horrific cigarette "warning" labels, showing all sorts of horrible demises, having that image every time you open a packet, and having the image held close to the body is designed by some sick group using this effect, either intentionally or mistakenly, and will be causing untold misery.

Fairy Friend
20th November 2013, 06:25
WOW I am glad that the negative side of the placebo effect is being addressed more. I did not think to name it. The Nocebo effect. I simply used metaphors like double edged sword or the door swings both ways.
I call Judges, judges. What? Whoever thinks to name it, gets to name it. Really?? Is that fair?
What? What would I name it? Hmmmmmm???? I have no good names anyway, I guess?

Is the Healer effect?? a term used or the god effect?? Superconsciousness effect?
Truthfully, I thought this had to be out there in some shape or form. The 'healer effect' doesn't sound bad, but clearly I was struggling with God/Godess effect or superconscious effect. Or is everyone just calling it manifesting healing??
Thanks for the input.
Fairy Friend

transiten
20th November 2013, 09:15
WOW I am glad that the negative side of the placebo effect is being addressed more. I did not think to name it. The Nocebo effect. I simply used metaphors like double edged sword or the door swings both ways.
I call Judges, judges. What? Whoever thinks to name it, gets to name it. Really?? Is that fair?
What? What would I name it? Hmmmmmm???? I have no good names anyway, I guess?

Is the Healer effect?? a term used or the god effect?? Superconsciousness effect?
Truthfully, I thought this had to be out there in some shape or form. The 'healer effect' doesn't sound bad, but clearly I was struggling with God/Godess effect or superconscious effect. Or is everyone just calling it manifesting healing??
Thanks for the input.
Fairy Friend

Quantum Field Healing Effect maybe?

Fairy Friend
21st November 2013, 01:57
Oooo I like that, 'Quantum field healing effect' or 'quantum healing effect' both sound great. I realize this isn't new news and sometimes I can be anti-labels but I will use labels to shine light on a subject and really connect the dots on the importance of one's thinking. Fairy Friend

toad
21st November 2013, 07:49
The placebo effect, is indeed very interesting. Another fascinating phenomenon is the Clever-Hans Effect.



Oooo I like that, 'Quantum field healing effect' or 'quantum healing effect' both sound great. I realize this isn't new news and sometimes I can be anti-labels but I will use labels to shine light on a subject and really connect the dots on the importance of one's thinking. Fairy Friend


I have to admit they both do sound great. But what exactly are you speaking about? Care to elaborate?

Fairy Friend
21st November 2013, 09:14
The placebo effect is the positive belief of the individual on healing self.
The nocebo effect is the negative belief of the individual on healing self.
The healer effect is the belief of the healer's ability to heal another and
the quantum field healing effect is the belief of a group's ability to heal another.
Fairy Friend