What is going on ???Father Arrested For Trying to Pick Kids Up From School.

[MariaDine]

“You don’t need a reason as a parent to go get your children, they are our children”
Paul Joseph Watson - Infowars.com November 20, 2013 -A father was arrested for attempting to pick his kids up from school in a startling new example of how the state is increasingly treating children as its own property.

http://www.infowars.com/father-arrested-for-trying-to-pick-kids-up-from-school/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szvvAA5II58

Making a stand against what he considered a dangerous and illegal new school policy that forces parents to wait in a line of cars outside until children are released at 2:35pm, Jim Howe tried to walk his kids out of South Cumberland Elementary but was arrested and now faces charges of disorderly conduct.

“You don’t need a reason as a parent to go get your children. They are our children,” Howe states in a video of the incident.
The officer who made the arrest, Sheriff Deputy and School Resource Officer Avery Aytes, responds to Howe’s attempt to pick up his own children by stating, “I’m going to call some help down here and we’re going to take you up to the jail right now. I’m not putting up with this today. You’re being childish and it’s uncalled for.”

The school secretary attempts to get Howe to fill in a form to authorize the children to leave the school on their own, which Howe refuses to sign because he is escorting the children out of the school, stating, “They’re walking with me when school is dismissed, per state law.”

Aytes refuses to allow Howe to pick up his kids and then states, “The County jail is where you’re going,” to which Howe responds, “That’s fine I’ve been there before, adding, “You just opened yourself up for a lawsuit.”

The officer then accuses Howe of intimidating him, to which Howe responds, “I’m not raising my voice, I’m not confrontational, I want my kids.”
When Howe begins to quote Tennessee state law, the officer tells Howe to put his hands behind his back and proceeds to handcuff him. After walking Howe outside, Aytes then threatens to arrest Howe’s fiance Amanda Long who is filming the incident.

Video footage of the outside of the school clearly illustrates Howe’s point. The school has enforced a ludicrous policy which forces children to walk out into moving traffic rather than have their parents safely escort them to the car.

Deputy Aytes refused to comment on the case, while Cumberland County Sheriff Butch Burgess, whom Howe attempted to call during the incident, told ABC 6 that he agrees with Howe on principle because the new policy is creating safety concerns. The school has also refused to comment on the incident or the new policy.

Critics of the encroaching nanny state will see this as yet another example of how the government treats children as its own property while parents’ rights are eviscerated.

This collectivist ideal was encapsulated earlier this year when college professor and MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry caused an outcry amongst conservatives by stating, “We have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families,” as part of a promotional video for an MSNBC campaign entitled ‘Lean Forward’.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qtpdSQox0

Schools across America are also telling parents that they need to have a doctor’s note in order for their children to be allowed to bring packed lunches, while others are fining parents for not including certain items in packed lunches.

Meanwhile, in other major western countries, children are being assigned a “state minder” from birth under draconian new proposals that would enable the government to spy on families under the justification of preventing “child abuse”.

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This article was posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2013


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Friends, I live in Europe and I'm a mother and I have 4 years in Law university...I find this news very disturbing !!!
Abuse of the power of the Law in such a case is very alarming... it borders the Imperialist ideologies of State of some countries from ,not so long ago, past decades !!!

[Flash]

when parents have to use videos and lawsuits to change a school rule that does not makes sense, there is a definite problem with the school and autorities who think that rules, whatever they are, over rule common sense and parent's rights. Mostly when some danger may be involved for the children.

I would have talk against the parent though if the school would have called autorities because the child was harmed by the parent. Then I would have agreed, once again, with common sense and children protection.

[East Sun]

It's almost as though everything possible is being done to aggravate and confuse the population of the US and other countries in order to control us in every way. I can't believe that police actually accept and take part in this kind of behavior--also, politicians, and all people in jobs with responsibilities for justice for all.

We are purposefully being herded/goaded into positions where we eventually will have to fight in one way or another for our freedom.

We have been taken over by a powerful enemy that I don't understand, but it is there and we need to identify it and stop it. It's not just Obama of course, but something much bigger.

How do we make people aware. If taking peoples kids is not enough, what will it take?

[Snowflower]

It is astonishing to me that more parents are not removing their children from the public school system.

[RunningDeer]

These are the viewer stats from the OP's videos. I'm encouraged that people are listening. The numbers speak for themselves:


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/parent_arrested_zpse8feb3af.jpg

[Observer1964]

How do we make people aware. If taking peoples kids is not enough, what will it take?
Look at history...
When the germans did not stand up to their govt to stop the agression and the madness, other countries combined forces to defeat that govt. And a lot of ppl that didnt stand up when they should have died in the bombings that followed. this is just how it goes...:(

[Robin]

How did it come to this?

It escapes the far reaches of both the logical and sympathetic reaches of my mind that anybody can exhibit the behavior of this security officer. Does he have no conscience? Does he have no self-respect?

Just refuse your orders. If you do not like your orders, then please search for a different job.

The only logical explanation for wild and unruly behavior of police officers is that they are threatened just like all the other PTB puppets. It simply breaks my heart that my fellow human beings actively do this.

If I were threatened like all of these puppets, I would gladly sacrifice my life to get the truth out and stop this nonsense. These people are so coerced into fear where they lose all sense of morality. :(

[East Sun]

[QUOTE]How do we make people aware. If taking peoples kids is not enough, what will it take?
Look at history...

Well, we need to put a stop to this == and now.
We can't just wait for others to stop all thins crap----we need to stop it now. We need to stop this now. WE need to stop it now. WE the people are the government.

[East Sun]

People are trapped with no alternative. Either their children go hungry or they obey orders. They do exactly as they are told or their parents and loved ones will be murdered in front of their eyes. It's to that point. No mistake, this is how it is.

We are not thinking in terms of humanity's feelings of how it should be but how it is in this cold-blooded existence we are in now.

This is a new reality and we don't want it.
We reject it, totally.

That's my view.

[Robin]

People are trapped with no alternative. Either their children go hungry or they obey orders. They do exactly as they are told or their parents and loved ones will be murdered in front of their eyes.

Unfortunately, this is the truth. I can see somebody willing to sacrifice themselves to get the truth out if it costs them only their life. But jeopardizing the lives of your loved ones who are innocent and have nothing to do with the exposing of the truth would be difficult. From what I can tell, the PTB threaten to rape and torture their loved ones before killing them.

But still, if people were just aware of the spiritual nature of the universe, then there would be nothing to fear. We are only in this lifetime out of choice and life continues in different ways. It is a great comfort to me to know that I am infinite consciousness who has had countless past lives and will continue to experience life in different ways. Because of this understanding, I have no fear of death whatsoever.

I look forward to the day when humanity finally knows the truth.

[guayabal]

Jim Howe's youtube channel is http://www.youtube.com/user/HoweMotorsports . Here is a video about what happened before the arrest: Zv_bFu0spGo

Copy/paste from the youtube page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8r-bdcvx8E:
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LEGAL FUND FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO HELP. We have had hundreds of calls and emails asking us to put this up so here you go. Its hard to say how far this may need to go.
http://www.gofundme.com/5dqy5o
"

[East Sun]

SamwiseTheBrave,

Believing that you are infinite consciousness is a "belief" is it not? And that's OK, of course, but I have believed a lot of things in my life, that may, or may not, have been in existence.

If we knew without a doubt that something existed it would be great but we don't.
So, to a large degree, everything depends on what we believe. We may be right or we
may be wrong.

The reality of our existence is what is here and now and we need to deal with what is now. Is it not so?

[Robin]

SamwiseTheBrave,

Believing that you are infinite consciousness is a "belief" is it not? And that's OK, of course, but I have believed a lot of things in my life, that may, or may not, have been in existence.

If we knew without a doubt that something existed it would be great but we don't.
So, to a large degree, everything depends on what we believe. We may be right or we
may be wrong.

The reality of our existence is what is here and now and we need to deal with what is now. Is it not so?

This is true. I made a mistake in using the word "belief," however. I do not believe in anything. I base my values and principles on things that are backed up by evidence.

When looking at evidence, at the very least the energy in our bodies are returned to the Earth to continue the cycle of living energy. That is enough to make me have no fear of death. It's quite comforting, in fact. The first law of thermodynamics states: energy in a system cannot be created nor destroyed. Seeing how the human mind and body is an energetic system, it is very logical that we are infinite consciousness and cannot be created nor destroyed. We change forms just like energy.

;)

[gripreaper]

I'm not surprised. What do we expect?

We sign over the rights to our children to the state at birth via the "birth certificate", we register them with a Social Security Number, we then vaccinate them and send them to the state funded public schools, and then we are outraged when the state wants to do what they want with their kids?

The state has the lawful title to the property (the children) and we (as parents) have custodial possessionary rights (equitable title) to the property as long as we maintain the states property within the guidelines of the states mandates, statutes, rules, regulations, and edicts.

Its about time we take responsibility for handing our kids over to the state and wake up and face the music which WE acquiesced to.

[East Sun]

I am on the same page, as not having a fear of death, even if there is no hereafter it does not matter from my here and now perspective. I just won't know, there either will be something or there won't be.
STB.

But it'll be the same for everyone.
While I'm here I have to deal with what is now. And I want the best for my children and the poor needy, feeling animals of the world.

I feel that there must be spirit or if not what's the meaning of it all?

[Vitalux]

As much as this is an emotional issue, I tend to side with the Officer.

In my opinion, the father was aware that the school had a rule.
The Sheriff, simply was following a mandate to enforce that rule.
Rather or not we agree with the rule, the officer was there to see that policy was followed.

The father, in my opinion, was testing the boundaries of that rule.

Had I had been in that situation, I would have politely asked the officer, what was expected of me, in order for me to collect my children.
When the officer would have explained that, I would have tried my best to follow his direction to avoid a confrontation.


If I did not agree with school policy, I would simply take legal steps to remove my children from that school and make other arrangements for their continuing education.


The video posted by guayabal helps complete more of the story.

In my experience dealing with the police, you don't argue with a police officer. In the long run it's easier to just avoid it.
If one feels that strong about it, follow through with civil channels of conflict resolution or commence a civil lawsuit.

[Flash]

you seem to be missing part of the information vitalux, and in fact, the information is not obvious, you have to read other stuff on them.

One of its child is handicap, mentally. In this case, going in any street where there is trafic is dangerous and can be Deadly. In such a situation, of which the school was very well aware, because the father had to intervene with that same school before for the mistreatment of its child, in such a case, he was very right to want to pick up his children.

Furthermore, it seems to me that you may not be aware of how children behave when getting out of school. If they are let free to go to their parents' car, many of them won't look around, will push each other, and put themselves at risk amongst trafic. Of course, not all children are like this, but for those that are, this school Policy is not fine. If they were all teenagers, this would be different in my book, but some of them are very Young and not conscious of the dangers in their environment.

A wide school Policy always has to leave place for exceptions, such as handicap children, otherwise this is not teaching to cater to différences and helping the weakest.

It is not always possible to sue schools (you think like the ever suing Americans lol) or move your child to another school for zillions of reasons (other school too far, wanting to keep siblings together, parents travelling to pick up chldren too difficult elsewhere, monetary implications, divorce families where the other school is too far from one parent, name it)

Vitalux, my guess as a mom: you have no children.;)

However yes, arguing with police officers is not very productive usually.

[Vitalux]

Vitalux, my guess as a mom: you have no children.;)

I have three children and two out of the three have graduated University. My youngest, who is 21 is trying to decide between work or college.

I really based my opinion, when the guy had the opportunity to sign the form, he probably had a loophole to get his children.

In Canada, the Sheriff is the most powerful law enforcement officer there is.

Rather or not, I agree with a law officers decision or direction, it is completely pointless to argue with him, or fail to obey his instructions.
While he is giving me that order, on that patch of land that he is standing on, he is the law.

Rather he is right or wrong is of actually no significance at the moment. He is wearing a talisman that gives him the authority to do so.

Rarely have I witnessed anyone win an argument with a law enforcement officer. Arguing with them usually only escalates a bad situation and makes it worse.

The officer did give the guy ample warning that if he continued to stand his ground, it was going to result in his arrest.

Flash ....from the information I have seen, I do not necessarily agree with school policy, far from it.
I also have great compassion for the man who was arrested and admire his ability to stand proud for what he believes in. :thumb:

My opinion was based that once the Sheriff informed him of his boundaries, any further debate was only going to result in the officer following which ever method he felt like choosing to resolve it. Had I been in the Sheriff's boots, I too would have arrested the man.

The Sheriff did not make the policy, it is his job to simply enforce it. :noidea:

[RunningDeer]

”As much as this is an emotional issue, I tend to side with the Officer....”

Flash covered what I would have pointed out from watching the vids and reading the article.


The Sheriff, simply was following a mandate to enforce that rule.
Rather or not we agree with the rule, the officer was there to see that policy was followed.
That sheriff guy was drunk on illusionary power.


Had I had been in that situation, I would have politely asked the officer, what was expected of me, in order for me to collect my children.
When the officer would have explained that, I would have tried my best to follow his direction to avoid a confrontation.

People drunk on power don’t care about politeness and trying your best to follow his direction. Though, he likes the “his directions” part.


If I did not agree with school policy, I would simply take legal steps to remove my children from that school and make other arrangements for their continuing education.

Simply take legal steps to remove my children and make other arrangements? I’m guessing you don’t have kids.

Most cannot afford to make other arrangements or move out of the district. Did you know if you wanted to send your child to another school out of the district, it costs between $6,000-$10,000 a year for public school? I’ve been out of the business for a while now. I would not be surprised if it’s more. And like Flash explained there’s the cost of transportation to and from school. And try to work a 40 hour a week job and still work within the school hours. It’s impossible. So, you’d have to pay someone to pick up your kids as well.

Paula :wave:s to Vitalux

[gripreaper]

What about context?

The cops are not peace officers, but bounty hunters for the municipal corporation to access the birth certificate bonds and create negotiable instruments which can then be leveraged in the CAFR and CRIS accounts of the municipality, who's cops are out fishing in the community for assets to abscond.

Where do we get this notion that there are any lawful actions taking place based on a consensus of the governed? Statutes are designed to be arbitrary and elusive, and for stealing from the statutory citizens who have given up their rights and acquiesced to a corporatocracy and a sham statutory system of collection of energy and property.

It has nothing to do with what is right or wrong, who owns what, or who did what. That's all smoke and mirrors. Its creating bonds and collecting on them, nothing more.

[Vitalux]

Paula :wave:s to Vitalux

I totally do relate and understand where you are coming from, and I don't dispute whatsoever your points and concerns.

I just saw this incident as the guy getting caught up in a situation, as frustrating and stupid that the policy is :frusty:, that unfortunately he could not win at that moment in time.

Rather it be fortunate, or unfortunate one of the qualifications that goes along with being a law enforcement officer is the quality to have to deal with tough decisions.


Myself I have no desire to ever be a law enforcement officer.
It most ways, it is a thankless job. I thank those same law enforcement officers that try their best to make our community safe.

Everyone :grouphug: is only a very simple human-being and I love each and everyone of them.

Vitalux :wave:s to Paula

[Conchis]

I think you are right about not being able to win at that point in time Vitalux. The parent was getting no where and spouting off that the school was holding his child hostage, didn't help. The other side of that argument though is, if there is a "rule" (it's not a law, it's just what this school had decided it was going to do)... that one opposes, and you are there non-violently confronting them about their decision, it shouldn't result in arrest. When do we arrest folks for disagreeing? Does that mean that the law is.... disagreeing with authority results in disorderly conduct?

[gripreaper]

Here's how you do it in court, by special appearance, not claiming the fiction. 8 minute video at link.

http://thecitizenscolumn.com/the-people-fight-back/2013/11/21/mountain-man-arrested-for-trying-to-feed-himself-owns-judge-amazing-must-watch

So, Vitalux, should we just "go along to get along"? When do we say, that's enough. When do we stand up and claim our heritage as living souls and not be the corporate fiction? When do we stop these corporate vultures from absconding the energy and resources of the planet for their own aggrandizement, by sending their mercenaries out to arrest and hassle us?

Everyone needs to learn the difference between the corporate fiction and the real man. Everyone needs to realize that THEY are the asset which makes the whole thing run, their very energy is what is being vampired, pledged, leveraged, bonded, and stolen.

I've had enough. Have you?

[Vitalux]

Here's how you do it in court, by special appearance, not claiming the fiction. 8 minute video at link.

http://thecitizenscolumn.com/the-people-fight-back/2013/11/21/mountain-man-arrested-for-trying-to-feed-himself-owns-judge-amazing-must-watch

So, Vitalux, should we just "go along to get along"? When do we say, that's enough. When do we stand up and claim our heritage as living souls and not be the corporate fiction? When do we stop these corporate vultures from absconding the energy and resources of the planet for their own aggrandizement, by sending their mercenaries out to arrest and hassle us?

Everyone needs to learn the difference between the corporate fiction and the real man. Everyone needs to realize that THEY are the asset which makes the whole thing run, their very energy is what is being vampired, pledged, leveraged, bonded, and stolen.

I've had enough. Have you?

I see myself, as a soul having a temporary human-being experience.

I just choose not to get too caught up in the game of life here, especially rule number 5.


Rule 5

The players must believe there is something wrong with the reality they see out there and needs to be changed, fixed or improved.

[RunningDeer]

Here's how you do it in court, by special appearance, not claiming the fiction. 8 minute video at link.

http://thecitizenscolumn.com/the-people-fight-back/2013/11/21/mountain-man-arrested-for-trying-to-feed-himself-owns-judge-amazing-must-watch

So, Vitalux, should we just "go along to get along"? When do we say, that's enough. When do we stand up and claim our heritage as living souls and not be the corporate fiction? When do we stop these corporate vultures from absconding the energy and resources of the planet for their own aggrandizement, by sending their mercenaries out to arrest and hassle us?

Everyone needs to learn the difference between the corporate fiction and the real man. Everyone needs to realize that THEY are the asset which makes the whole thing run, their very energy is what is being vampired, pledged, leveraged, bonded, and stolen.

I've had enough. Have you?

Wow! That's all I got except for tears.
Thank you, GripReaper. Will add this to "The Hub" thread, too.

[Flash]

Vitalux, my guess as a mom: you have no children.;)

I have three children and two out of the three have graduated University. My youngest, who is 21 is trying to decide between work or college.

I really based my opinion, when the guy had the opportunity to sign the form, he probably had a loophole to get his children.

In Canada, the Sheriff is the most powerful law enforcement officer there is.

Rather or not, I agree with a law officers decision or direction, it is completely pointless to argue with him, or fail to obey his instructions.
While he is giving me that order, on that patch of land that he is standing on, he is the law.

Rather he is right or wrong is of actually no significance at the moment. He is wearing a talisman that gives him the authority to do so.

Rarely have I witnessed anyone win an argument with a law enforcement officer. Arguing with them usually only escalates a bad situation and makes it worse.

The officer did give the guy ample warning that if he continued to stand his ground, it was going to result in his arrest.

Flash ....from the information I have seen, I do not necessarily agree with school policy, far from it.
I also have great compassion for the man who was arrested and admire his ability to stand proud for what he believes in. :thumb:

My opinion was based that once the Sheriff informed him of his boundaries, any further debate was only going to result in the officer following which ever method he felt like choosing to resolve it. Had I been in the Sheriff's boots, I too would have arrested the man.

The Sheriff did not make the policy, it is his job to simply enforce it. :noidea:

i am happy you have three children well raised and succeeding in their life.

But well..., you must have forgotten what it is like to have them that are all small, or you raised them in a smaller place where everything is nearby, or, put simply and crudely, you do not have any handicap child and cannot imagine what are the requirements for their welfare.

We are talking of a guy here how not only has a small child for whom it is dangerous to be in trafic, but has an handicap child.

Once a psychologist told me the following:

parents with handicap children have the worst of both worlds.

When other parents see them struggling, they all give advice, as if they knew that to do, when in fact they would be completely lost and most probably not able to deal with a child handicap on a daily basis, but they think they know and that the parent to the handicap child is "capricious" "stupid" "not a good parent" "do not understand how things work" name it, I even heard once that i was working too much from the "astral realmj" when my problems and needs were sooooooo much down to earth.

The other worst world is that those parents whose children are fine and without problems think it is thanks to them and the way they raise their children.

So on one hand they condemn, on the other they praise themselves for educating their "without any problems" chiildren.

If their children are without any basic problem, we all understand they were easy to raise. No particular praise there.

But the poor parent with a handicap child will never be praised, he will be scolded and moralised, as this school and this officer have done.

My 2 cents of frustration with these attitudes and the incomprehension.

God dammit, parents with children in difficulties, be physical, mental, emotional, learning, whatever difficulties always have to fight to their teeth just to get the basic necessities for their child because they are constantly trampled by others. Over and above the daily requirements of having to deal with the handicap, which is very often over the capapcities of any regular folk (see Tesla story here to understand how difficult it is).

Thinking the way you do Vitalux makes one of those compounding the problems of these parents, surely not the helping hand. (no hard feeling here, I only use your posts as a demonstration, I have no cue of what you do to help in your environement and how much empathy you have in daily life).

Not only do these parents have to deal with the problem itself, they have to deal with huge amount of careless and empathy less people around them that will trample on their child anytime without even a tad of guilt feeling.

[Jake]

My heart and soul go out to this man...

I am a non-custodial parent of two teenage girls in the public school system... The other day, the police were called because I brought some pizzas for my youngest,, on her birthday... (Nov5) I did not stay to greet them,, but the pizzas were confiscated and put into 'evidence'.... No bull****...

On the Veterans day assembly at the same school, I was separated from the rest of the 'real' parents and walked over to sit by myself and a SECURITY GUARD!!!

Non-custodial, male parents are simply considered to be criminals...

I cannot pick my kids up from school,,, but strangers, who I don't even know,,,, CAN!!!

If I were to pick one of them up, without written permission,,, signed by her mom,,, and the administrators,,, AND copies prepared for the 'authorities',,,,, There would be an Amber Alert,,, (Amber Alert is an emergency system set up to find newly missing children,,, first 48 hours are critical) and I would be in BIG trouble.... The last time there was an amber alert in my state (that I remember) the FBI shot and killed the 'perp',,, no questions asked... (We will never know the circumstances involved,,, ever!!)

Fathers are being destroyed..... Systematically... IMHE.......

With that said... My daughters adore me. They spend more time with me than they do at 'home'... They can't stand it at home. I am wealthy beyond my life,,, just because they love me.... Most fathers that I know,, are NOT allowed to see their kids at all... Yet they still have to pay heavily for child support.

The State of Washington has shown me that they DO own my kids. They are commodities that bring in money to the state... :)

I call in NAZINGTON State...

People don't seem to care, unless it is THEM being violated and THEIR rights being s$%t on...

I don't really blame them,,, PUNISHMENT is the rule of the day.... Step out of line and you are dealt with....
People havent' realized it yet,,, just wait until the monies are pulled off of the grid and EVERYONE is at the mercy of government 'solutions'.... Everyone will be treated like a criminal,,, EVERYBODY!!!
It is already set up...

I love the people of this country,,,, I DETEST GOVERNMENT.

Interesting,,, I am leaving now, to pick up my oldest daughter and drop her off at school... My xwife could make a single phone call, lie , and my whole life is OVER!!!

I do not have a good attitude about being controlled via my children.... I guess I should just shut up and get in line,,, ]

Jake.

[Eram]

Tjeez Jake,

speechless here.

What did you do to these kids?
Bought them a bottle of Kombucha?

Seriously, the bodies of control in the USA are way out of balance!

Both times that I visited the USA, this was one of the first things that caught my attention and the air port (border control) but also in the streets with the cops, safety guards, money transport operators and such. Even looking at them makes them feel attacked and you get the "eyeballing stare" at you.

Don't take me wrong, I had a good time there and many people are very open and interested in others, but everything that has to do with controlling the people is completely out of balance.

I hope that you get your kids back one day man.
Government shouldn't decide so lightly to separate parents from their children.

[RunningDeer]

I see myself, as a soul having a temporary human-being experience.

I just choose not to get too caught up in the game of life here, especially rule number 5.


Rule 5

The players must believe there is something wrong with the reality they see out there and needs to be changed, fixed or improved.

Me too, Vitalux.

I left the clock world in 2004, and for the next 7+ years, I spent my waking hours in study, reflection, rid the fictions, and whatever anchors I lugged around.

It was a priceless gift of time and study space I created. That is, until I could no longer justify no-mind or mind-talk over heart-talk. Nonsensical disconnect.

“Okay, got it. There’s the belly-button. So now what?”
“Now get out there. And do what you came here to do.”

How I reconciled was to merge the greater perspective with the human journey. Sounds so basic now, right?

“Geez, how could I not know that?”

I haven’t got it figured out. The main goal is to be part of the human race. And change whenever the sychronicities go “Knock-knock-Pauler, up head and to the right.”

Pauler :wave: to Vitalux

[Vitalux]

I left the clock world in 2004, and for the next 7+ years, I spent my waking hours in study, reflection, rid the fictions, and whatever anchors I lugged around.

It was a priceless gift of time and study space I created. That is, until I could no longer justify no-mind or mind-talk over heart-talk. Nonsensical disconnect.

::

I haven’t got it figured out. The main goal is to be part of the human race. And change whenever the sychronicities go “Knock-knock-Pauler, up head and to the right.”

Pauler :wave: to Vitalux


One thing all us souls have in common "here" is that we are human junkies. Addicted to being human.



Vitalux :wave: to Pauler

[Crystine]

Jake, I so understand what you are going through. For a short time I worked for The Friend of the Court in my state. That office is the go between for the courts, referees, attorneys, sheriffs department, ex-husbands, ex-wives. It took a short time of of my witnessing abuses. I knew something was wrong. I tried to help the dads. But I got sent to the "principals" office. Told you just do your job.

My infraction: taking to a referee the actual check the dad had dropped off for his child support or alimony payment. Why did I do this? Because I also handled the arrest warrants. So at time it seems to me there was things that should be stopped. Like arrests. In the offices of the men that handled the cases they had boxes with the hard copy of all the pertinent paperwork. Lined up in the order it was received. They were usually about 4 to 6 weeks behind evaluating all of it. Many men should not have been arrested. Which by the way was likely to be done on Friday. Which guaranteed the weekend in jail. Because it couldn't get to court until Monday or Tuesday. The case would be immediately dismissed when the receipt for the monies was produced. Talk about corrupted. Shortly after the visit to the office I resigned.

[Octavusprime]

The original video has been removed. Here is another link to a working video.

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For me this man was within his rights to demand his children, especially if the father has deemed the current "law" as being unsafe for his children. It is the parents duty to protect their children and family from harm. As citizens it is our duty to ensure that rules and regulations are fair and just. Civil disobedience is sometimes required to get the ball rolling.

Blind acceptance of unjust laws has brought our society to its current situation. A nation of unnecessarily restrictive laws that infringe on our natural rights which were given to us at birth.

For those who want to bend over and take it... So be it. But never will that method produce any meaningful change.

[Flash]

Totally sorry for you Jake. Really.

I always made sure my daughter had full access to her dad and him to her, if they wanted to, even if I thought he was not a good dad. I thought better to have a bad dad (unless she is physically harmed, which he never did), then no dad at all.

Now she is older, she decides if she sees him, how and when. She eat at his place one a week on her decision, but do not want to stay there ever more than this dinner time.

She says she is miserable at this place and the verbal harassment and intimidation have been going on forever. Which I believe. Yet, she prefers to have a dad than none. It says everthing. She will have to clean herself of the consequences of a bad relationship, but not of the consequences of abandonment.

I cannot even imagine why a mother would stop her children from having a good Relationship with their dad. I would have wanted this so much for my own child.

[Sidney]

My heart and soul go out to this man...

I am a non-custodial parent of two teenage girls in the public school system... The other day, the police were called because I brought some pizzas for my youngest,, on her birthday... (Nov5) I did not stay to greet them,, but the pizzas were confiscated and put into 'evidence'.... No bull****...

On the Veterans day assembly at the same school, I was separated from the rest of the 'real' parents and walked over to sit by myself and a SECURITY GUARD!!!

Non-custodial, male parents are simply considered to be criminals...

I cannot pick my kids up from school,,, but strangers, who I don't even know,,,, CAN!!!

If I were to pick one of them up, without written permission,,, signed by her mom,,, and the administrators,,, AND copies prepared for the 'authorities',,,,, There would be an Amber Alert,,, (Amber Alert is an emergency system set up to find newly missing children,,, first 48 hours are critical) and I would be in BIG trouble.... The last time there was an amber alert in my state (that I remember) the FBI shot and killed the 'perp',,, no questions asked... (We will never know the circumstances involved,,, ever!!)

Fathers are being destroyed..... Systematically... IMHE.......

With that said... My daughters adore me. They spend more time with me than they do at 'home'... They can't stand it at home. I am wealthy beyond my life,,, just because they love me.... Most fathers that I know,, are NOT allowed to see their kids at all... Yet they still have to pay heavily for child support.

The State of Washington has shown me that they DO own my kids. They are commodities that bring in money to the state... :)

I call in NAZINGTON State...

People don't seem to care, unless it is THEM being violated and THEIR rights being s$%t on...

I don't really blame them,,, PUNISHMENT is the rule of the day.... Step out of line and you are dealt with....
People havent' realized it yet,,, just wait until the monies are pulled off of the grid and EVERYONE is at the mercy of government 'solutions'.... Everyone will be treated like a criminal,,, EVERYBODY!!!
It is already set up...

I love the people of this country,,,, I DETEST GOVERNMENT.

Interesting,,, I am leaving now, to pick up my oldest daughter and drop her off at school... My xwife could make a single phone call, lie , and my whole life is OVER!!!

I do not have a good attitude about being controlled via my children.... I guess I should just shut up and get in line,,, ]

Jake.

Confiscated the PIZZA? Unbelievable. All in the name of safety. Seems to be a handy excuse for everything these days.

[Robin]

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[gripreaper]

I see myself, as a soul having a temporary human-being experience. I just choose not to get too caught up in the game of life here, especially rule number 5.


Rule 5
The players must believe there is something wrong with the reality they see out there and needs to be changed, fixed or improved.


OK, lets roll with that. All experience is co-created and in balance, and the two parties which play opposite sides of the polarity are in agreement on a soul level, to the experience and the resultant sensations, emotions, and cognitive beliefs, archetypes, and embedded DNA imprints.

Therefore, when an ex husband shoots all the children and leaves the ex wife devastated for the rest of her life, she agreed to the experience. She should not get too hung up in the details of the slaughter of her beloved children because she co-created this in agreement with her ex.

So, her best course of action would be to not look at her ex husband killing the children as "wrong" from a soul perspective, even though from her physical perspective she is devastated, heartbroken, in total pain and suffering. She should just choose not to get too caught up in the game of life here.

Is that correct?

[Vitalux]

I see myself, as a soul having a temporary human-being experience. I just choose not to get too caught up in the game of life here, especially rule number 5.


Rule 5
The players must believe there is something wrong with the reality they see out there and needs to be changed, fixed or improved.


OK, lets roll with that. All experience is co-created and in balance, and the two parties which play opposite sides of the polarity are in agreement on a soul level, to the experience and the resultant sensations, emotions, and cognitive beliefs, archetypes, and embedded DNA imprints.

Therefore, when an ex husband shoots all the children and leaves the ex wife devastated for the rest of her life, she agreed to the experience. She should not get too hung up in the details of the slaughter of her beloved children because she co-created this in agreement with her ex.

So, her best course of action would be to not look at her ex husband killing the children as "wrong" from a soul perspective, even though from her physical perspective she is devastated, heartbroken, in total pain and suffering. She should just choose not to get too caught up in the game of life here.

Is that correct?

In my humble opinion, from insights which I have gained, it is this simple.
That is correct. She is gaining insight into what it is like to experience loss.

Everyone that is reading this ....is in an illusion....believing they are a human being.
Death is merely the awakening from the illusion.
If you fix an illusion, it is still an illusion.

[Rocky_Shorz]

New Amber Alert, 10 month old child father threatening to kill along with himself, heading for Georgia...

http://wncn.images.worldnow.com/images/3521802_G.jpg

angels away, protect that baby... (http://www.wncn.com/story/25289869/amber-alert-issued-for-infant-taken-from-durham)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Parents need to say "These schools are not working anymore" and get their kids out of them.

it's a hamburger factor nothing more.
so what, a special teacher here and there, more heartbreak when the system crushes them.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

My heart and soul go out to this man...

I am a non-custodial parent of two teenage girls in the public school system... The other day, the police were called because I brought some pizzas for my youngest,, on her birthday... (Nov5) I did not stay to greet them,, but the pizzas were confiscated and put into 'evidence'.... No bull****...

On the Veterans day assembly at the same school, I was separated from the rest of the 'real' parents and walked over to sit by myself and a SECURITY GUARD!!!

Non-custodial, male parents are simply considered to be criminals...

I cannot pick my kids up from school,,, but strangers, who I don't even know,,,, CAN!!!

If I were to pick one of them up, without written permission,,, signed by her mom,,, and the administrators,,, AND copies prepared for the 'authorities',,,,, There would be an Amber Alert,,, (Amber Alert is an emergency system set up to find newly missing children,,, first 48 hours are critical) and I would be in BIG trouble.... The last time there was an amber alert in my state (that I remember) the FBI shot and killed the 'perp',,, no questions asked... (We will never know the circumstances involved,,, ever!!)

Fathers are being destroyed..... Systematically... IMHE.......

With that said... My daughters adore me. They spend more time with me than they do at 'home'... They can't stand it at home. I am wealthy beyond my life,,, just because they love me.... Most fathers that I know,, are NOT allowed to see their kids at all... Yet they still have to pay heavily for child support.

The State of Washington has shown me that they DO own my kids. They are commodities that bring in money to the state... :)

I call in NAZINGTON State...

People don't seem to care, unless it is THEM being violated and THEIR rights being s$%t on...

I don't really blame them,,, PUNISHMENT is the rule of the day.... Step out of line and you are dealt with....
People havent' realized it yet,,, just wait until the monies are pulled off of the grid and EVERYONE is at the mercy of government 'solutions'.... Everyone will be treated like a criminal,,, EVERYBODY!!!
It is already set up...

I love the people of this country,,,, I DETEST GOVERNMENT.

Interesting,,, I am leaving now, to pick up my oldest daughter and drop her off at school... My xwife could make a single phone call, lie , and my whole life is OVER!!!

I do not have a good attitude about being controlled via my children.... I guess I should just shut up and get in line,,, ]

Jake.

That sounds very difficult to live with Jake!
Have you considered moving out of state and having the girls there part of the year?
Would that be better than being subject to the ex?

It seems like it would be -- but it's weird that you didn't get partial custody,
is that typical in Washington?

See, if the woman is "normal" i.e. neurotic workforce mom, she has rights --
but as a veteran with ASD and some problems in my life, I have very few rights.

my son's school doesn't even send me information about when he has Spring Break etc.
and the teacher told me that I was not welcome to visit before the children are close to afternoon release,
because Mom participating "would only upset them and make the kids want to go home".

what the ****!
and the Seattle school told me to be there every day if i wanted.
big differences between school districts, it's like dildo shopping (not that i would know)

p.s. recently one of the social workers tried to pin me down on whether i want my severely disabled child to live at home with a crazy single mom and i said "i am not qualified to answer that question".

they will probably punish me for being responsible. :(

also i make 1100/mo SSDI, and ChilD support took half my money this month.
just for the record, if Dad won't pay they garnish mom even if she is homeless.

they will make me homeless soon if i don't fix this.

Rachel